Sep 22, 2008 8:29am
Obama’s Shrinking Map
The Associated Press reports that the 50 staffers deployed to North Dakota are being dispatched to Minnesota and Wisconsin.
Obama campaign manager David Plouffe earlier this month confirmed reports that the campaign had shifted staff from Georgia to North Carolina.
Of the other states President Bush won in 2004, Obama is still competing in Colorado, New Mexico, Nevada, Iowa, Ohio, Florida, Montana, Missouri, Indiana, Virginia, and the Tarheel State, the campaign says.*
– jpt
* This post has been updated.
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Gosh, that’s terrible news. Guess they’ll have to rev up their astroturfing campaign some more.
The spirit of liberalism visits The One in the middle of the night….
“Mr. Obama, I’d like you to meet some friends of mine..this is McGovern, and over here is Dukakis, and before you go, meet Gore and Kerry, and be sure to check in with Stevenson and Carter before you go back to the Il. Senate. Maybe you haven’t heard, but no liberal has ever won the white house without being a centrist…which is why we’ve lost 7 out of the last 10 elections.
Good night, and good luck, sir!”
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Why not? The more people see of the shallow one, the more they’ll turn to substance of McCain.
Obama: The hollow candidate
Posted by: dl | September 22, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
A crowd of 60,000 came to hear Sarah Palin speak in Florida on Sunday.
No rock band as an intro.
No 6 million dollar Greek Temple.
No free beer and T-Shirts.
Just a woman with a record that proves she is for the people. They know she is one of them–not a snob that just pretends to be.
Posted by: cindy in nc | September 22, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am
Obama can also forget about OH,FL,VA and maybe PA. GOV. PALIN CHOICE A MISTAKE?? ONLY FOR THE LIBS!!
Posted by: Temagami | September 22, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
I think people are alittle tired of being called racist if they disagree with BHO.
Even if he had lily white skin there are plenty of reasons not to trust or vote for Obama.
Many of us think Obama is the racist.
Why else would he spend 20 years with one of the biggest racist of all–Rev Wright?
Posted by: riley | September 22, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
I think the pro-Obama media is beginning to panic.
There are more and more articles saying he will lose because voters are racist.
Are they trying to make whites feel guilty?
And a pitiful article in NYT crying about an increase in the number of voters that think BO is a Muslim.
Ouch!
Posted by: harry | September 22, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Cindy -
I thought that was 6 million people in freezing weather. You better check your facts.
She’s one of them, alright, and so are you.
Posted by: jb | September 22, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am
What made Obama think he would win those traditionally Red States anyway?
Just because he campaigned there once or twice during the primaries and beat Hillary, who never campaigned in most of those states anyway?
Posted by: Lee | September 22, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Cynics got their hopes up AGAIN, only to be coused with cold water AGAIN.
Electoral Votes Final:
300-312 – OBAMA
226-238 – MCCAIN
270 – TO WIN
For those who prefer facts over fantasy, the preliminary electoral numbers are clear in that this will be a massive landslide by Obama.
The states that Obama already has securely within his grasp give him a preliminary total today of 223 electoral votes, and that doesn’t include CO, NEV, OH, MI, VA, PA or FL. Considering the reality of this, it’s quite likely that he will win FL, CO, VA and either MI or OH. Nevada is clearly leaning towards Obama, but it’s only 5 electoral votes and he doesn’t really need the state. All Obama really needs is 3 out of the 10 battleground states to win the election and it looks like he’ll win at least 6 of the 10 EASY. Virginia? Obama. Colorado? Obama. Florida? Obama. Michigan? Obama. The reality is, Obama is very strong in all of these states and with McCain giving up a major gaff every other day, if not every day, he’s sealing an Obama victory.
McCain has to win 9 out of 10 battleground states to keep the race close, and even the GOP’s best spinster cheerleaders know that’s not going to happen. For starters, he NEEDS to win FL, OH, MI, CO, PA and VA WITHOUT QUESTION, but the grim reality is that he’ll only win one. (Two with a miracle) I’ll be very nice and give McCain PA and OH, and even with those two states, he maxes out at 238 electoral votes. The facts show he’s not on solid ground in either one, so at best McCain can only acquire 245 electoral votes when 270 is the magic number. To top it off, start subtracting votes when Ron Paul pulls votes in Ohio and PA while Bob Barr pulls votes in GA from massive independent and Republican voters with at least 20%. Obama wins GA too? If he does, more doom for McCain. If he doesn’t, no big deal.
Now combine all of this with Democratic registration numbers increasing at a 4-1 rate over the Republicans in all battleground and current Red states. McCain might get 30% of the vote when this is over. It doesn’t look good for McCain at all, my friends.
THIS WILL BE A LANDSLIDE. That’s a fact.
OBAMA/BIDEN – ITS A LOCK
Posted by: Nat Turner | September 22, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
North Dakota has a Population of about 635,867. Obama’s staff of about 50 being shifted to other battle ground states now is understandable since they have been working 12 hours days since July in North Dakota according to some articles. Many voters in North Dakota know them well by now and will miss them like they would seeing friends going off to anther battle or front. It really shows that the front lines are shifting and Obama team is adapting.
Posted by: Cooday | September 22, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Call me bitter I don’t care.
The DNC and superdelegates blew it big time by supporting Obama.
Hillary is clearly the better candidate and would have been the first woman president. She wouldn’t kiss Pelosi’s butt so they backed puppetman BO.
If BHO loses I’ll come back to the Democrats in 2012 if Hillary is running.
Posted by: meggie | September 22, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
PREDICTION: Osama will ditch Biden now that’s he made a complete fool of himself and try to bring Hillary on as the V.P. He thinks it will help him win now that he’s behind in the polls.
This would be typical of Osama — doesn’t know what he’s doing in the first place and will show the country that his choices and decisions are ones that he himself cannot trust.
Posted by: Krystal | September 22, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
look at the toss up states. MI/MI/WI.
Obama will behappy if he wins IL
McCain’08
Posted by: adam | September 22, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
It’s quite hilarious to see the “typical” cynical white american continue to assume that Obama will fail after confortably shutting them down time after time.
What else do you have this time? Rev Wright? Lapbel pins? Not White enough? Not biracial enough? Won’t win DNC nomination? Won’t eat white bread?
A cynic is nothing more than a clown with a microphone.
All talk, but nothing intelligible is coming out. After all, you guys have been praying on your ouiji boards for a year and a half now without any results.
Get Ready for the Inauguration Sweeties.
POTUS OBAMA – ITS INEVITABLE
Posted by: Nat Turner | September 22, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Nat Turner – DREAM ON. You libs have NO IDEA what inductive or deductive reasoning is…. and are CERTAINLY IN DENIAL ABOUT WHAT IS CURRENTLY HAPPENING TO YOUR APPOINTED ONE. CHECK OUT LATEST RASMUSSEN and ZOGBY POLLINIG.
Posted by: Temagami | September 22, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
I’m not convinced Hillary would join an Obama ticket. Why should she? She wouldn’t even appear on the same stage as Palen to protest A=jad.
Posted by: Captain America | September 22, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
Seems like some of you may have a guilty conscience or something. Actually, I have not read a single study that says race will cost Obama the election. I have read one or two that raised that question. It is fairly obvious race is a factor (why else would McCain try to exploit it?). Also, many voters have directly said they will not vote for Obama because he is black (so much for the theory of those on here that this issue is made-up). Many people said so in West Virginia, for example. That’s not the question. The question is whether there are people saying they will vote for Obama who actually will not (the so-called Daly or Wilder effect). There has so far been no evidence of that (nor was there in the primaries or in the Congressional race in Tennessee last time). Those who won’t vote for Obama seem to say so, and if it is because of race, and they are not honest enough to admit that, they cover it in some other reason.
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 22, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
ATTENTION.
Check out the title of this blog – OBAMA’S SHRINKING MAP, says it all. Coming from ABC, it has got to hurt that OBAMA’S MAP IN INDEED SHRINKING!!
Posted by: Temagami | September 22, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Temagami, I read the polls daily, and have tracked them personally through the last 3 presidential races. Zogby currently shows Obama leading McCain in the head to head 47% to 45%. The most recent Rasmussen polls show Obama ahead 46% to 45%. Both polls showed McCain ahead the last time they were published. All electoral map tracking polls show Obama ahead, and have done so for several months now. There was a dip on the polling numbers in the battleground states that paralled the dip in the tracking polls after the two conventions (due to the “bounce” McCain got becuase his convention was the later one). BUT as nearly all analysts predicted, that bounce has disappeared. The battleground tracking polls are a bit behind the daily trackin polls, but they show the same erosion in support for McCain. And while we are talking polls, not only are McCain’s numbers steadily dropping, so are Palin’s. That’s reality, whether or not you like it.
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 22, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am
Yavo Lem —–ORDER ONE OF THOSE FOR ME!
Posted by: Dannie | September 22, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Maybe you haven’t heard, but no liberal has ever won the white house without being a centrist…which is why we’ve lost 7 out of the last 10 elections.
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“Maybe you haven’t heard that no african american has ever been a nominee, Republicans have never put a woman on their ticket, and never before have this many NEW voters been registered to vote. All kinds of “firsts” going to happen this year.”
Mr Obama
Posted by: New History | September 22, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
If you look at Real Clear Politics Electoral College results (with no toss-up states), it shows Obam-Biden 273 to McCain-Palin 265. No wonder Obama is sweating … and moving his shock troops around.
Posted by: Yavo Lem | September 22, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
AND.. now we find out that Obama’s Harvard tuition was at least in part paid for by an ADVISOR to the Saudi royal family, Khalid Al-Monsour, who at the time was also a front man for the Black Panthers. So wonderful!!
Posted by: Manitu | September 22, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
I would love for this race to be about character. Let’s revisit McCain’s routine philandering, his role in the Keating 5 scandal, his famous temper (shoved someone in a wheelchair?), his 13 cars, his 8 + houses, his campaign that is run by lobbyists, his broken promise to run a clean campaign, his flagrant disregard of campaign finance rules he himself authored, and his choice of a running mate that has so many skeletons in her closet we can’t seem to stop tripping over them. I will paraphrase CONSERVATIVE George Will from this weekend: McCain wants to keep the campaign about personality, because he can’t win on issues, BUT he showed his personality last week, and it is frightening. If he is scaring even die-hard conservatives, he’s got a big problem. BTW I note the McCain supporters have returned to spurious personal attacks and baseless assertions of a lead or potential lead, because the facts are a bit too much for them to deal with.
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 22, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Cynics got their hopes up AGAIN, only to be SEVERELY doused with cold water AGAIN. When will you learn that donkeys are incapable of winning thoroughbred horse races?
Electoral Votes Final:
300-312 – OBAMA
226-238 – MCCAIN
270 – TO WIN
For those who prefer facts over fantasy, the preliminary electoral numbers are clear in that this will be a massive landslide by Obama.
The states that Obama already has securely within his grasp give him a preliminary total today of 223 electoral votes, and that doesn’t include CO, NEV, OH, MI, VA, PA or FL. Considering the reality of this, it’s quite likely that he will win FL, CO, VA and either MI or OH. Nevada is clearly leaning towards Obama, but it’s only 5 electoral votes and he doesn’t really need the state. All Obama really needs is 3 out of the 10 battleground states to win the election and it looks like he’ll win at least 6 of the 10 EASY. Virginia? Obama. Colorado? Obama. Florida? Obama. Michigan? Obama. The reality is, Obama is very strong in all of these states and with McCain giving up a major gaff every other day, if not every day, he’s sealing an Obama victory.
McCain has to win 9 out of 10 battleground states to keep the race close, and even the GOP’s best spinster cheerleaders know that’s not going to happen. For starters, he NEEDS to win FL, OH, MI, CO, PA and VA WITHOUT QUESTION, but the grim reality is that he’ll only win one. (Two with a miracle) I’ll be very nice and give McCain PA and OH, and even with those two states, he maxes out at 238 electoral votes. The facts show he’s not on solid ground in either one, so at best McCain can only acquire 245 electoral votes when 270 is the magic number. To top it off, start subtracting votes when Ron Paul pulls votes in Ohio and PA while Bob Barr pulls votes in GA from massive independent and Republican voters with at least 20%. Obama wins GA too? If he does, more doom for McCain. If he doesn’t, no big deal.
Now combine all of this with Democratic registration numbers increasing at a 4-1 rate over the Republicans in all battleground and current Red states. McCain might get 30% of the vote when this is over. It doesn’t look good for McCain at all, my friends.
THIS WILL BE A LANDSLIDE. That’s a fact.
OBAMA/BIDEN – ITS A LOCK
Posted by: Nat Turner | September 22, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Yavo Lem
And… Real Clear map does not show red for FL, Va and OH… McCain is pulling ahead in all three.
Posted by: Manitu | September 22, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
it has got to hurt that OBAMA’S MAP IN INDEED SHRINKING!!
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Hahahaha
Sure, Obama is “hurt” by that 5 point lead that gallop is showing and the declining support for McCain/Palin.
Ouch! No more please. We just can’t take winning. It hurts too much.
Yo guys are cracking me up with right wing “logic”.
Posted by: GOP - the new comedy central | September 22, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Yavo Lem, those are old numbers. It actually currently shows Obama leading both with and without battleground states 202 to 189 (that’s so very Republican to try to make a case without outdated numbers). I invite everyone to see for themselves. In any rate, let’s assume your numbers had been correct, in the real world, the battleground states count, but oops, Obama’s ahead when they are included. So what was your point exactly?
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 22, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
The cynics a year ago standing in place on stilts in an African termite mound and now their down to standing on one half of one toothpick.
THIS IS GOING TO BE A LANDSLIDE.
Is rhetoric all you got?
Issues. McCain will be thoroughly SMASHED on them.
POTUS OBAMA – ITS A LOCK!
Posted by: Nat Turner | September 22, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
PREDICTION: Osama will ditch Biden now that’s he made a complete fool of himself and try to bring Hillary on as the V.P. He thinks it will help him win now that he’s behind in the polls.
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PREDICTION: YOU WILL SURPRISED IF YOU ACTUALLY LOOKED AT THE POLLS.
Posted by: Nostrodamas | September 22, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Wow, are any of you guys Karl Rove? We sure are seeing alot of “if you say it often enough it must be true.” No, McCain’s lead in Florida is shrinking (some polls show Florida a dead heat, and RCP just make it gray again, not red). Obama is ahead in some polls in Ohio, and those that show McCain with a lead have a small and shrinking lead. Virginia has more or less been a dead heat from the beginning. No significant shift there apart from a slight and temporary bump just after the conventions. I would also remind you all that Bush won Ohio in 2004 becuase the Republicans controlled the state and resorted to their usual funny business (under allocating voting machines in Democratic areas, closing polls early, mysterious malfunctions). The Democrats control most of the battleground states. There won’t be funny business this time around in those places.
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 22, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
If you look at Real Clear Politics Electoral College results (with no toss-up states), it shows Obam-Biden 273 to McCain-Palin 265. No wonder Obama is sweating
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Again another blast of Republican “logic”. Yavo, you do know that 270 WINS the election right?
I guess you mean Obama is sweating about who to invite to the inauguration party?
Posted by: This is the best arguement? | September 22, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Yavo Lem, those are old numbers.
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Right, they are old, about 30 seconds old.
Posted by: Yavo Lem | September 22, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
OHcountry, just because you say something doesn’t make it true. The only candidate whose campaign has received money allegedly linked to terrorist funds is MCCAIN, who had to let a campaign finance chair go in Michigan because he was linked to Hezbollah. That is factual and was reported by real and credible sources, not Limbaugh or Drudge.
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 22, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Here, I will post the latest numbers from RCP and invite everyone to go see for themselves:
Election 2008 Obama McCain Spread
RCP National Average 47.6 45.4 Obama +2.2
Favorable Ratings +17.4 +16.6 Obama +0.8
Intrade Market Odds 50.9 48.3 -
Electoral College Obama McCain Spread
RCP Electoral Count 202 189 Obama +13
No Toss Up States 273 265 Obama +8
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 22, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
The only stories about race in the MSM seems to be laying the groundwork for a BO loss. Then after the election, They will whine about McCains ‘illigitimate’ administration and berate the voter as ‘stupid racists’. When will the MSM realize that running a spineless superficial candidate touting failed liberal policies lose elections. The intellect of the average American is just fine, It is the astonishing ignorance of the MSM that is suspect.
Posted by: ripster24007 | September 22, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
I enjoy the attempts from the GOP rumor mill to try and create another “scandal” based on fabrications.
The only scandal being investigated now is the ABUSE OF POWER from the Republican VP nominee.
You know, the one that was requested by a BI-PARTISAN committee. The one the Gov said she wanted, but now has changed her mind since the facts came out. The one where her original explaination does not match the evidence. The one where she said she would co-operate and now supoenas are being ignored. The one McCain sent 30 lawyers to try and stall.
You know THAT scandal.
What happens when she is found guilty of abusing her power as governor? I guess you put your head in the sand and say it’s ok? It worked for Cheney and Bush, why not your nominee right?
Posted by: Get a life and read credible news | September 22, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
If it’s on the internet it must be true!
Posted by: Best minds of the GOP | September 22, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Ripster, I already addressed that. I guess you missed it, so here it is again.
Seems like some of you may have a guilty conscience or something. Actually, I have not read a single study that says race will cost Obama the election. I have read one or two that raised that question. It is fairly obvious race is a factor (why else would McCain try to exploit it?). Also, many voters have directly said they will not vote for Obama because he is black (so much for the theory of those on here that this issue is made-up). Many people said so in West Virginia, for example. That’s not the question. The question is whether there are people saying they will vote for Obama who actually will not (the so-called Daly or Wilder effect). There has so far been no evidence of that (nor was there in the primaries or in the Congressional race in Tennessee last time). Those who won’t vote for Obama seem to say so, and if it is because of race, and they are not honest enough to admit that, they cover it in some other reason.
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn | September 22, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am
Again another blast of Republican “logic”. Yavo, you do know that 270 WINS the election right?
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Posted by: This is the best arguement?
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Please note that I am no Republican. I am an Independent who supported Hillary, with money, and who will NEVER vote for Obama. However, I have no problem with a one term Republican vs. a Democratic Congress. I would, though, like to see the “Democrats” get rid of Reid, Pelosi and, especially, Dean. They also need to return more towards the center. But that is their problem.
As for the Electoral College 270 number, I am well aware of it. Perhaps you might remember the postings I made during the Primary of a head-to-head match-up, based on their records, that showed Hilary stronger than Obama, 311 to 227, which is how it ended on June 3, 2008. Of course, we all know how from that point the nomination was given to the weaker candidate.
If you want, I can repost my final analysis.
Posted by: Yavo Lem | September 22, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
The intellect of the average American is just fine.
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For Republicans, apparently it’s “just fine” for the candidates.
Bush, McCain, Palin…the meeting of mediocre minds
The “I like them, they’re just like me” mentality baffles me.
It’s time to let the smartest people lead for a change!
Posted by: Best minds of the GOP | September 22, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Wow Yavo, you are a piece of work. Lying straight through your teeth. Here, I will post the latest numbers from RCP and invite everyone to go see for themselves:
Election 2008 Obama McCain Spread
RCP National Average 47.6 45.4 Obama +2.2
Favorable Ratings +17.4 +16.6 Obama +0.8
Intrade Market Odds 50.9 48.3 -
Electoral College Obama McCain Spread
RCP Electoral Count 202 189 Obama +13
No Toss Up States 273 265 Obama +8
Posted by: Dee Dee Lynn
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DO NOT CALL ME A LIAR. Please note the last line in your post. That is what I was referring to and at this point, 8 points is hardly significant. Again, at this point in time, Obama has every reason to be sweating, and Michelle has every reason to be getting angry again.
Posted by: Yavo Lem | September 22, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
LOL, I cant believe that Obama has to compete at all! Seems lately anything McBush says is either made up as he goes along, or its an outright lie. based on that alone I cant imagine anyone with a single ounce of common sense support McBush.
Susan
Posted by: Susan Redder | September 22, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
We will always have racial prejudice.But as blacks have always had for the majority of times had only one choice of nationality to vote for we have always tried to cast our vote for whomever we thought would be fair for all in general.That was whenever our votes weren’t being thrown away.Now that there is a black running all that can be said is very negative statements from all sides,Obama does not have the negatives that McCain has behind him there is only focus on what can we use to smear Obama then there is the almighty republican party selling the waffles with Obama depicted with a picture that only narrow minded people can conjure up in their pea brains.These people are not the majority and that is why some are having much difficulty dealing with the race issue times are changing maybe slower than some want but faster than some think,use your noodle to figure it out,there are plenty of young people and older people that are ready change and McCain has been commerce chairperson for sometime he wanted deregulation and now wants regulation now he should have been the one that was on the ball along with Bush and the rest of the republicans they are the ones that want money given with no accounting of where it goes or how it will be paid back until it’s to late.We owe everyone in the world because of the war and now can we say for a fact no new taxes.
Posted by: damehen | September 22, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am
Obama didn’t have the guts to clean up corruption in Chicago–probably because he was a part of it.
He can’t even clean up his own party now–leaving tax cheat Charlie Rangel in office.
The Democrats are trying now to add on to the bailout–BO votes with Pelosi, Reid, and Do-Nothing Democrats 97% of the time.
Posted by: riley | September 22, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
It is a shame some states want to continue the Bush legacy for four more years. Magic shows are popular, too. I guess they like watching wars declared victories before quagmire sets in, economies bailing out with golden parachutes, and our amazing colossal deficit.
Posted by: ricky | September 22, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
McCain needs to show ads with Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and ineffective Congress over and over again.
Remind voters that he sides with them 98% of the time and they have a 10% approval rating.
These are the people that will control the gov’t.
Posted by: sally | September 22, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Committed socialists want another four years of Bush policies. At this pace the U.S. government will own everything in four years on paper, but it will really belong to the heirs of Chairman Mao. Good job, Bushie.
Posted by: ricky | September 22, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am
Why does it matter how close Alaska is to Russia? Bush proved you only have to look into their eyes and see their souls.
Posted by: ricky | September 22, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
No I did’nt miss it I ignored It. Anyone who would vote on racial considerations is an idiot. But what You fail to realize or admit is that many Democrats/Independent voters have very little in common with the far left. Voters who actually love America and see that McCain is the much more centerist candidate. I know all You libs will scream Your ‘talking points’ and delude Yourselves with polls. The facts that terrify You are that BO is an extremeist ideologue and McCain is a moderate. McCain actually exudes leadership, BO’s well We are still waiting for His ‘measured response’. World events and American interests demand leadership not spineless dithering. Americans know this and that’s what has the left ‘terrified’. Racism is just a smokescreen to cover BO’s lack of fortitude.
Posted by: ripster24007 | September 22, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
What other VP candidate could attract a crowd of 60,000?
Oh–Hillary Clinton.
And Obama didn’t have the backbone or enough sense to pick her.
He’s got ding dong Biden angering people by telling them to be patriotic and pay more taxes. While he barely gives 1% to charity.
Posted by: meggie | September 22, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
@Yavo:
Obama is trying a desperation Hail Mary pass. From the “get in their faces” statements to the secret plans to try to make McCain angry during the debates, the Obama campaign is attempting to resurrect the tactics of the SNCC during the 60s.
Google the Albany Movement and Laurie Pritchett. The tactics only work if you get back in their face. It requires a Bull Connor and a day off for school children, so to speak.
Let them rage but feed them daisies.
Posted by: len | September 22, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am
Damehen,
You know the Republican party was the one who helped free your people? That MLK was a Republican? That the only KKK member in the Senate, Byrd, is a Dem?
That Democrats tried to block the Civil Rights Act? That hundreds of thousands of whites died to stop slavery?
Blacks tend to vote Democrat because they have become addicted to well intentioned social engineering gone wrong, foisted on them by liberal thinking…and it’s no small thing to blame Democrats for basically enslaving a couple generations to poverty, by not lifting them up out of it. Instead your party has handed them money, BILLIONS, in welfare, and kept them as a people largely in a state of infancy. Now many inner city blacks have forgotten job skills, or even that they need them at all.
It’s a tragedy.
Meanwhile, other recent immigrant groups, not addicted or used to government handouts, come here and flourish, like Vietnamese, Chinese, and Spanish speakers.
I don’t think that Americans are as racist as we’ve been led to believe. To me, if Obama loses, it proves once and for all that he was judged on the content of his character…and when you hang out with the likes of Wright, and Ayers, and Dorhn, you’re not presidential material.
As a conservative, there are many blacks I would vote for in a heartbeat, like Michael Steele, or Colon Powell, say.
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
Of all the Bush 2004 states Obama will win Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Nevada and Ohio. Virginia has a REALLY good chance of turning blue.
Posted by: Vanessa | September 22, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
The race is a dead heat, and Obama should be ahead by 15-20 points. If the race is a dead heat on November third and Obama ahead by 1 or 2 points, John McCain will win by a small margin a be our next President.
Posted by: Jay | September 22, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am
Sorry Vanessa , just wishful thinking on your part. Nevada & Ohio will be won by McCain, and he still might win in Colorado. You can forget about Virginia turning blue. Obama will win Iowa & New Mexico by a small margin, if he’s lucky.
Posted by: Jay | September 22, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
hippiechucker,
Who finally signed the Civil Rights Bill? Maybe Lyndon B Johnson? And he’s a Republican? JFK supported civil rights too as president. Is he Republican too?
Yes, a last timeit was the Republican Party that African-Americans voted, but since the Civil Rights Movement, there’s been a gradual shift.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am
Don’t respond to accusations of racism. It’s chum in the waters.
There is no country in history that has done as much as fast to redress the wrongs of the past. We will only lose this progress if we wallow in the past instead of working on our future. If individuals cannot change because their grudges empower them, leave them nursing their grudges. At a point in the not to distant future, they will be alone together.
Posted by: len | September 22, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
I chose Obama over Hilliary because this country needed a change from the old gaurd. There are those who say they are willing to put up with four more years of republican rule in order to get their candidate Hilliary in next time, and those who won’t vote for Obama because of his race. Do you folks understand the ramifications if this race is lost to the republicans. A more conservative Supreme court and four more years of foreign and domestic policies that will ruin our country. Not only that, but the black vote which the democratic party has so relied on in the past will be disheartened and feel that their voice went unheard this election because we could not all rally behind our nominee. It will be a sad day in this country on Nov 5 if Obama loses narrowly because of racism and a vandetta. Something else to consider for those who are willing to vote for the otherside or not at all, come 2012, if Hillary does decide to run, do you honestly believe the blacks in this country will muster to support a party that didn’t rally behind Obama? Can you Hillary supporters win without the black vote? If you believe that you can then you are terribly mistaken.
Posted by: James | September 22, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Actually Obama should not be up by 15-20.
If you look at the generic ballot, people favor the Dems by 5-6 percent. Obama leads in most of the polls by 4-5.
And it’s the state polls that count. So far Obama is holding on to every Kerry 2004 states and leading in several Bush 2004 states. etc Colorado, New Mexico, Ohio, and Iowa.
Tied in Viginia, North Carolina, and Nevada (all three deeply red states… including Colorado)
I say Obama is well on his way to winning the presidency.
Posted by: Vanessa | September 22, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am
Maybe Hillary can hire them for her 2012 bid that starts the day after the November election.
No wait…give it a week or so before Hillary starts her 2012 campaign. There has to be a week of raging mourning by the Democrats, followed by the Bill and Hillary re-taking control of the DNC.
Plus there is the ceremony at the Democrat Hall of Shame to add the bust of Obama to the other Democrats who did not understand the American voter – Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, McGovern, Carter…
Posted by: Zank | September 22, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
No one sees Palin as dangerous except the extreme left and the Obama camp, oh yeah, and the MSM slanted reporting. She is no more dangerous than any of the other candidates, and I live in Nevada and everyone I know in Vegas is very pro Palin. Of course she is dangerous to the Obama camp. She is sucking away white and women votes like an atomic Hoover vacuum cleaner.
Posted by: Jay | September 22, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
I say McCain is well on his way to winning the Presidency. Is is a dead heat right now and after the debates when Obama ummms and ahhhs and stumbles, McCain will be ahead for good. If McCain wins any one of Michigan, Wisconsin or Minnesota, Obama is done.
Posted by: Jay | September 22, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
“Do you folks understand the ramifications if this race is lost to the republicans”
Yes. We will have a majority Democratic Congress and a minority White House as we do now. The question is since the Democratic Congress has been incapable of using its majority effectively, what will change?
1. A minority President can’t stack the Supreme Court or pass laws for creationism and other nonsense.
2. A minority President that wants to be effective has to be more progressive than the majority Congress. Thus, we get a better than even chance that real reform and fiscal conservatism can take hold at the same time.
Obama is a lapdog for Wall Street. He needs their money. McCain is a reformer and he doesn’t need their money. Obama has promised too much to too many and now none of it can be afforded. McCain has promised reform and change both of which we can’t afford not to have.
So yes, I think we have this understanding well in hand. What are you holding?
Posted by: len | September 22, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am
“Obama didn’t have the guts to clean up corruption in Chicago–probably because he was a part of it.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
A new American Research Group poll found that just 19% of Americans approve of the way George W. Bush is handling his job as president and 76% disapprove. When it comes to Bush’s handling of the economy, 17% approve and 78% disapprove. And people want to sign up for four more years?
Obama/Biden ’08
Posted by: Paige | September 22, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Grey,
Not arguing your point about there being Dems who supported civil rights, that’s obvious.
I was making the point that it has been the Democrats who were on the wrong side of racism historically, and who still are by misguidedly infantilizing the black community through social programs that encourage dependence.
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
I am not an extreme leftist myself, but I am wary of a woman who throws out dangerous remarks so easily that could jeopardize foreign relations. Cheney had to go to Georgia. Even if nothing happens to McCain, a VP’s duties are no longer just ceremonial.
Actually, when they poll “likely voters” you have to have voted at least one time before to be counted, so many of the first-time voters who are among Obama’s supporters are not being polled. These people also are increasingly not having any landlines at all, and few pollsters call cellphones. Obama has also been known to underperform in polls as compared to the actual results in the South.
So nothing’s definite, really.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
I would, though, like to see the “Democrats” get rid of Reid, Pelosi and, especially, Dean.
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Well as a Democrat voting for Obama, you have my support ejecting Pelosi and Reid. They’re both a waste of space as far as I’m concerned.
However, the disgruntled Hillary thing is a bit rediculous to me. My mother was a Hillary delegate in WA. She was upset when Hillary dropped out. However, she is fully aware that McCain and Palin do not in any way represent the policies or values that Hillary does. She’s supporting Obama now.
The influence over our Supreme Court and health care reform are enough reason NOT to vote for more Republicans. But there are dozens more.
More important to me is the fact the current administration has ###### on our Constitution and blatenetly put themselves above the law. They’ve lied to the American public to pursure their own agenda. They started a WAR under false pretenses. They’ve instilled knee jerk, or call it “don’t blink” if you prefer, foreign policy that has no purpose or clear cut mission.
How can ANYONE justify rewarding the very party that gave us the past eight years? If we don’t reject them now, what will prevent history from repeating itself? It’s like, “We can do whatever we want because as long as we wave a psuedo-patriotic flag every four years, they’ll vote for us again”.
McCain is no “maverick”. He has backed down and reversed his position on most of the issues that gave him that designation. (I actually thought he was a decent choice in 2000, but he’s NOT the same guy) He didn’t even pick his own running mate. McCain wanted Liberman, not Palin. He was TOLD to take Palin. He’s not standing up to anyone! He’s been SUCKING UP to get the nomination. And whoever is controlling the party now will be controlling the country if he gets elected.
Palin will do as told. She would never be the nominee otherwise. It’s certainly not based on credentials. Even Karl Rove said she was not picked based on ability, but rather for political reasons. And, Palin has proven that she prefers “secret” government over discloure. She apparently believes her political power is not subject to the law.
NO WAY WE SHOULD PUT A REPUBLICAN IN OFFICE. WE CANNOT REWARD THEM FOR GIVING US THE MOST CORRUPT ADMINISTRATION IN OVER 50 YEARS!
Posted by: Best minds of the GOP | September 22, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am
The only thing illegal regarding Governor Palin’s personal email was the act of hacking perpetrated by the criminal who is now being investigated.
Nothing government-related was found in the emails that were hacked. Sorry.
Yes, the Washington Post has had minimal coverage of the story, but it is a far cry from the terrific investigative work that paper used to perform, as during the Watergate break-in.
The Post seems to be doing as you are, attempting to blame the victim rather than the criminal, and not doing any investigative reporting to get to the bottom of it as they used to.
Too bad the Post has lost Katherine Graham, and Ben Bradlee is no longer their editor.
Posted by: SandyB | September 22, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Paige,
I could equally argue that the 9% approval rating of Congress, who since Democrats have won control have passed the least amount of legislation,ever, would only be compounded by a Democratic president.
If people are crying out for Democratic governance, why the single digit poll numbers for you guys?
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Anyone who uses “The One” — a term from a slimy McCain ad — in reference to Obama, undermines their credibility as a serious thinker.
Posted by: Danny | September 22, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
Lastest polls: Bush 2004 states
Colorado: Obama +10
Iowa: Obama +14
New Mexico: Obama +8
Tied Bush States (Bush margins in 2004)
Ohio: Obama +1
North Carolina: McCain +3 (Bush margin 12.4)
Virginia: McCain +2 (Bush margin 8.2)
Indiana: McCain +2 (Bush margin 20.7)
If Obama can maintain his ground game he can win NC, VI, OH, and IN.
Posted by: Vanessa | September 22, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
Cindy in NY wrote:
A crowd of 60,000 came to hear Sarah Palin speak in Florida on Sunday.
She neglected to inform you that this “Rally” was at a sequestered retirement community of 70,000. The elederly folks in attendance literally just had to walk out the door. Hmmmm, I wonder how many independent swing voters was in that group? Bwhaaahhhaaaahaaaahaaaahaaahaaa.
Update: Rick Davis McCain’s top campaign advisor was paid 2 million by Freddie Mac and Frannie Mae as lobbyist to prevent De-regulation. McCain’s is in a tailspin and is burning out of control…just like all of his naval flights.
Posted by: Reality Check | September 22, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am
No one sees Palin as dangerous except the extreme left and the Obama camp
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Well being that the “Obama Camp” is 50% of America that says alot about her credibility doesn’t it?
Posted by: Best minds of the GOP | September 22, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Actually, although America’s come a long way from the segregated schools and drinking fountains in the 1960s America, blacks still continue to suffer lingering repercussions of over 300 years of oppression-they have significantly raised their standings as compared-but with the desegregation, trends were some whites insisted on moving out from neighbourhoods with blacks, and usually some of these neighbourhoods up till today consist mainly of poorer African Americans who don’t have access to better education.
Overall, today, the average African American household makes less than a white one. That’s possibly why they support more social stuff, in addition to the Civil Rights Bill being signed by a Democratic President.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
People who argue that McCain should be President probably think George Bush discovered oil when he was in that business.
Posted by: ricky | September 22, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
“Obama has also been known to underperform in polls as compared to the actual results in the South.”
Don’t take those primary results too seriously. Despite what you’ve been told, Republicans don’t turn out for Democratic primaries in large numbers. He was overperforming in Pennsylvania and Ohio and had his head handed to him.
The South has yet to vote for Obama. The Democrats tossed away Hillary Clinton but in the South, she didn’t have that much support. My guess is if they had it to do over, results would be different. The Southern Reagan Democrats are just now energizing thanks to Sarah Palin and the Wall Street Massacree.
Posted by: len | September 22, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
There are going to be a lot of angry , shocked and depressed people on November 5th, when Obama is trounced by John McCain. We will be here for all of you dispensing support and prozac.
Posted by: Jay | September 22, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
I could equally argue that the 9% approval rating of Congress, who since Democrats have won control have passed the least amount of legislation,ever, would only be compounded by a Democratic president.
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Except a Democrat would not continually VETO every piece of legislation the Congress passes. A trend that “W” has endorsed whole heartedly.
Posted by: Except.... | September 22, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
I don’t think Palin has said anything I find dangerous. But I don’t speak in tongues.
Posted by: ricky | September 22, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
We are tired of your old stale policies that have led this nation to it’s current crisis status. Anyone with an ounce of sapience understands that the low approval ratings of Congress is solely due to the obtruction of the Republicans. The Democrats in congress have a much higher approval rating of the Republicans. It is the terribly low approval numbers of the Republican members of congress..just like their executive branch leader that brings the overall number so low.
Posted by: righwing nutcracker | September 22, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Grey Matter – Actually heres is a fact about polls, since the majority of them do a disproportionate amount of Dems to Republicans it known that the Dems has to be up at least 20% at this time to make them feasible.
At this tiome in 2004 Kerry was ahead by 15 points, 2000 Gore by 12.
harry – you are so right, see with the liberal media it is not the actual issues, not is t with the Dems, see they think America wants Socialism, that we want to be like Europe!! So they do not understand!
We would not of broke away in 1776 if that was the case!!
Posted by: spock | September 22, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
hiipiechuker – yes, it is a shame that the 251 Republicans have a record almost as dismal as their leader……
Posted by: Paige | September 22, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
Want to know someone with a good ground game? Bush. Here is a guy who ignored the memo “Al Qaeda determioned to strike in US” and yet was able to spend billions to create his own “Al Qaeda in Iraq.”
Posted by: ricky | September 22, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Actually on this exact day 2004. Bush lead Kerry by 9. Please post the facts.
Posted by: Vanessa | September 22, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
Yes, I acknowledge that it’s pretty unpredictable. There’re lots of new factors that are in play that have not in previous elections so there’s nothing to gauge against.
I support Obama, but I acknowledge it definitely isn’t a guarantee nor clear-cut who’s going to win. There’s still plenty of time for another game-changing factor to enter the race.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
righwing nutcracker – What obstruction, they Fully control congress, they want to raise taxes, they refuse to Drill they destroyed Banks (Thanks Schmer), credit industry (Thanks Dodd) Destroyed Fannie may/mac (Thanks Obama)
Tell me something When Bush leves office, and God Forbid if the Dems retain control of Congress and God really forbid Obama winning who are you going to blame for the downfall of this country?
This Democrat Congress in two years has had more corruption then the last 50 combined!!
Posted by: spock | September 22, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
That’s Hurricane Sarah for you.
Posted by: John | September 22, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
While virtually everyone was working on a solution to the housing crisis, Obama waited days to meet with his 300 advisers to craft a plan. That’s not presidential by any definition. The guy simply cannot make a decision.
Obama fiddles while Rome burns!
Posted by: dl | September 22, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
“There’s still plenty of time for another game-changing factor to enter the race.”
And that is keeping the entertainment quotient high.
Stepping back from partisanship, this is one of the best American elections in a very long time. Real issues, new candidates, lots of involvement by the grass roots, crises, last minute plot twists, great ratings.
What will next season’s arc be?
Posted by: len | September 22, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
This is smart. Other map expansions give better return on investment, such as VA, NC, and Colorado. Plus, the ground game in ND will continue with the volunteer structure established by the offices. ND was always the longest of longshots; we’ll see how things play out. It’ll be under the radar, that’s for sure.
Posted by: Tungsten | September 22, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Of all the Bush 2004 states Obama will win Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Nevada and Ohio. Virginia has a REALLY good chance of turning blue.
Posted by: Vanessa
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Vanessa:
According to RCP, the averages currently are:
Colorado (9) Obama +2.5
New Mexico (5) Obama +4.3
Iowa (7) Obama +9.2 (he did, however, have a 14 point lead
Nevada (5) McCain +1.7
Ohio (20) McCain +1.6
Virginia (13) McCain +2.0 (N.B. – Virginia is home to a lot of military)
Also, for your edification, between Nevada, Ohio and Virginia, there are 38 Electoral College votes at stake. Colorado, New Mexico and Iowa will yield only 21.
Do you see why Obama is sweating and telling his supporters to adopt an “in your face” approach to all their “friends, neighbors and associates”? If that is what they do, they are desperate, and if they continue to do that, in short order, they will not have very many “friends and associates” left, nor will their neighbors speak to them.
By the way, it would be really nice if Senator Obama would release his Illinois Senate records, his health records, his records from Columbia and Harvard, including his Senior Thesis or something similar (I have one, and I didn’t go to either Columbia or Harvard; and his wife has one), his actual Birth Certificate, with the required raised seal, and other normal documentation. As it is, all we have to go on are his two books, one speech, very little from his U.S. Senate time, and a lot of unanswered questions about some very shady relationships. Oh yes, we have a whole bunch of speechifying and hot air, but very little of substance.
We also have his Logan Act felony violation, which occurred when he, as a non-authorized person, attempted to interfere with the decisions of the elected government of Iraq, by requesting they delay acting on U.S. troop withdrawal schedules, until the next U.S. Administration is in place.
Posted by: Yavo Lem | September 22, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
If Obama’s performance in his last debate with Hillary is an indicator, he’s going to struggle with McCain, who is a horrible speech giver, but does well in debates. Obama looked incredibly weak and wishy washy, and couldn’t control the “uhhing” it seemed.
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am
“Anyone who uses “The One” — a term from a slimy McCain ad — in reference to Obama, undermines their credibility as a serious thinker.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
“…Plenty of time for another game changing factor to enter the race…”
Yes, if God forbid, more bombings like the one that occurred over the weekend in Pakistan start occurring, voters might start worrying about national security again, in addition to the economy.
Posted by: SandyB | September 22, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
“Stepping back from partisanship, this is one of the best American elections in a very long time. Real issues, new candidates, lots of involvement by the grass roots, crises, last minute plot twists, great ratings.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
SandyB, I hope you are not wishing for more bombings. And any country is no good without a strong economy. A military imposes a cost on a country, and we better have a strong economy to help maintain one.
It is a catch 22 situation. The more we continue to take such an “everyone is the enemy” “I shoot first and talk later” approach which is perceived to be more “aggressive” towards the terrorists actually just wins them more supporters, because they can just point and say, “Hey, see America is beating up/jailing/shooting indiscriminately our Iraqi/Afghan brothers! Join our cause to get rid of them!”
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
OBAMA / BIDEN WILL WIN IN NOVEMBER SIMPLY BECAUSE MCCAIN & PALIN HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER THAT’S DIFFERENT THEN THE CURRENT REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT.. THE MCCAIN /PALIN CAMP HAS SAID NOTHING OF IMPORTANCE, THAT WILL HELP! PALIN WILL MAKE HISTORY AS:
THE 1ST REPUB VP NOMINEE
THE 2ND WOMAN VP NOMINEE
THE 3RD WOMAN TO LOSE..
MAYBE IN 4 MORE YEARS REPUBS.. NUFF SAID!
Posted by: Voter | September 22, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Ahh, I wouldn’t worry about terrorism, liberals. All is right with the world, with BO at the rudder….
After all, “We are the ones we’ve been waiting for” should take care of that problem, right?
Once we “increase our standing in the world” we’ll see terror evaporate, right?
Wonder, if our standing in the world was so terrific, why the first world trade center bombing happened under Clinton? Hmmmm..
Or maybe this one:
“this is the moment, this is the time, when the rise of the oceans stopped, and the earth began to heal?”
You mean, this moment, Obama? Or..in a couple of minutes..or what? Can somebody explain that to me?
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Once we “increase our standing in the world” we’ll see terror evaporate, right?
Well yes. When we stop ####### off countries, people like Osama who may be ###### at the US no matter what we do will find his support drying up, at least.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am
“voters might start worrying about national security again, in addition to the economy.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Or maybe this one:
“this is the moment, this is the time, when the rise of the oceans stopped, and the earth began to heal?”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Maybe the reason they haven’t been able to do much is because a certain president keeps vetoing everything.
P.S The US now owes China a number with around twelve zeroes behind because of Iraq. WITHOUT the interest.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am
If Obama’s performance in his last debate with Hillary is an indicator, he’s going to struggle with McCain, who is a horrible speech giver, but does well in debates.
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As a dem, I concede this point. Obama is not historically a good debater. He’s got a tough opponent in McCain.
However, I also ackowledge our “debates” are not really debates at all. They are just a chance to get the best 10 sec sound bite so it will get re-played on TV the next week.
Usually what we hear most about is a 10 sec sarcastic retort rather than policy issues.
But, that’s America.
Posted by: Debating Debates | September 22, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Hey Nat Turner. In your own words, a “cynic is nothing but a clown with a microphone”. Well, Biden paints that pic for us everyday. Now, Obamas map is shrinking why? Well, another judgemental mistake, this time on Mr Axelrod, who thinks he is God. The Ax tried a 50 ste strategy BLUNDER, and that, combined with the Hillary screw up will cost Obama this election. He could have walked in. Many NON RACIST white people were on his side. Now there has been a shift, especially in white women. Now The Ones campaign must shift all resources to the battle ground states and stop the bleeding. The McCain camp is so happy to be where they are now. What was easily a stampede in 08 is now a street fight
Posted by: WakeUpPeople | September 22, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
“Maybe the reason they haven’t been able to do much is because a certain president keeps vetoing everything.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Whatever. I rather a VP who’s idea of foreign policy credentials is dealing with the Yugoslav wars as opposed to seeing the former Soviet Union from their house. And a President who knows the difference between Sunnis and Shiites, and who does not mistake the Spanish president for some guy in South America.
Posted by: Grey Matter | September 22, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Can any of you stay on topic?
I’m still waiting to hear from Howard Dean on the “50 State Plan.”
How’s that looking to you now Howard? Or was that just what you used to dump the qualified, competitive candidate?
We will remember in November.
Posted by: beebop | September 22, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
Of all the sites that focus on the electoral map, 67 currently project victory for Obama, 9 a victory for McCain and 6 a tie.
Check it out for yourself at the excellent 3bluedudes site.
Posted by: electoral map | September 22, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
excellent 3bluedudes site
Yah, I think I’ll wait to see that from someone a uh um uh a little, uh less, uh you know …. biased?
Thanks for the first Monday morning laugh!
Posted by: beebop | September 22, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
I’m NOT worried about terrorism. Our current administration scacres me much more than any terrorist threat. And the neocons who are chanting the same policies are just as scary. Our government should not operate with impunity and in secrecy.
Bombing and occupying the dozens of nations that have terrorists inside of them will never solve the problem. Or are you suggesting we invade Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Lybia, Iran, Engand, France, and others?
It only took 17 people to highjack planes and destroy the world trade centers. (With absolutely no connection to Saddan Hussein I should add.)
NOTHING we do militarily will elimitate everyone who wants to cause harm. It only breeds a new generation of those who will support terrorist activity.
The “don’t blink”, knee-jerk reactions of our leadership has dome nothing but create a mess in the middle east and put our ecomomy at risk. Don’t blink, don’t think is NOT a good international policy.
In one aspect, the wrecking of our economy by causing rediculous spending and borrowing to fund a false war, the terrorists beat George Bush. They may not defeat us with bombs, but like it or not, the are hammering us economically.
But I always wanted to learn Manderin anyway. So go McCain/Palin! Start a war with Russia while you’re at it. Keep on spending and borrowing for wars that can’t be won.
Posted by: Economic Terrorism | September 22, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
Posted by: beebop | Sep 22, 2008 12:03:24 PM
sorry to condradict you, but i believe that was a “57 state plan”.
Posted by: pp | September 22, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Well, if he could only had a few caucuses in the general election, it would be a different story.
He’s really good in caucuses, you know…(wink, wink)
Posted by: Rick | September 22, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
Economic Terrorism.
So…nobody wants to tackle why we were repeatedly attacked under Clinton?
Posted by: hippie | September 22, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
really want to know how the tactics of ACORN are going to be stopped.
Posted by: pp | September 22, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
“How’s that looking to you now Howard? Or was that just what you used to dump the qualified, competitive candidate?”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
pp:
Any college student who votes absentee from home and then votes AGAIN where he/she attends school can lose scholarship/financial aide when they are caught. By claiming residence not with that reflected on their financial aide documents. But I’m sure that ACORN has a plan for helping them out, right? Right? Sure.
Posted by: beebop | September 22, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
@grey matter:
The detail in Paulson’s plan that should catch our eye is the failure to pursue prosecution of executives who are getting golden parachutes for failure.
Obama is not wrong about wanting to do this right. His failure was to frame that inside an action announcement. Measured but sure if fine. Waiting to measure is not.
But if they think this is a bailout without consequences for the perpetrators, they might want to watch V for Vendetta. Obama’s campaign has been built on a promise not just of reform, but financed change. That financing just blew away like sugar on hot sand. Reform is all that’s left for the left.
We’re about to ride out a storm soaking wet with short rations and little rest. What we need most is a sure hand on the wheel or we get to see the deck from beneath the rudder.
Forget the rest of it. At this point, we’re trying to pick a Captain for this pirate ship. That’s all. The steadiest hand with the right charts wins.
ARGGHH!
Posted by: len | September 22, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
len:
A great deal of that was ADDED BY THE DEMOCRATS. Get your facts straight.
Posted by: beebop | September 22, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
beebop,
stop the paranoia. There’s nothing biased about 3bluedudes’ projection database.
The site itself currently projects a McCain win, so there you go. Just check it out, these guys do a serious job.
Posted by: electoral map | September 22, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
“It only took 17 people to highjack planes and destroy the world trade centers.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm
McCain is in all 50 states.
Posted by: Zank | September 22, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
“len: A great deal of that was ADDED BY THE DEMOCRATS. Get your facts straight.”
I didn’t say otherwise. I said take notice of the fact that the foxes get to leave the coop with the chicken eggs tucked in their briefcases.
You think this is a battle of us vs them. It isn’t. The people need to reclaim their government and future from BOTH of these parties.
The one way to do it is to pound both sides until they quit shouting at each other and start making a better deal with America.
This election is about more than throwing the bums out. It is about not replacing them with yet another bunch of bums.
Posted by: len | September 22, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
1972 re-do.
Posted by: notafool | September 22, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
“How’s that looking to you now Howard? Or was that just what you used to dump the qualified, competitive candidate?”
2006 was one of the biggest Congressional reversals in history.
The Dems are competitive now in red states for various Congressional and statewide offices.
The state parties which were left to with an die in the interim elections have been running full blast all thru 2007 & 2008.
Look at Senate races in VA, NM, CO & NC.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 22, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
“2006 was one of the biggest Congressional reversals in history.”
Posted by: Belle Starr | September 22, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Mission Accomplished !!
Not only did the Bush administration do nothing to protect consumers, it embarked on an aggressive and unprecedented campaign to prevent states from protecting their residents from the very problems to which the federal government was turning a blind eye.
In 2003, during the height of the predatory lending crisis, the OCC invoked a clause from the 1863 National Bank Act to issue formal opinions preempting all state predatory lending laws, thereby rendering them inoperative. The OCC also promulgated new rules that prevented states from enforcing any of their own consumer protection laws against national banks.
The federal government’s actions were so egregious and so unprecedented that all 50 state attorneys general, and all 50 state banking superintendents, actively fought the new rules.
Posted by: Rex | September 22, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
I was at the rally for Palin. I am an Obama supporter. There was no 60,000 people at the rally is another one of Mccain’s campaign’s lies. I go to all my college football games and I know what 60,000 crowd looks like and this was not even close.
Posted by: nina | September 22, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Today, in the Washington Post, the truh about our “mavericks”:
“Clutch of Bush veterans helping to coach Gov. Sarah Palin reflects a larger reality about Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign: Far from being a group of outsiders to the GOP power structure, it is now run largely by skilled operatives who learned their crafts in successive Bush campaigns and jobs across Bush government over past eight years.”
Posted by: Bush III | September 22, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
nina, you’re right. That’s why anothet official said that an estimate of 25,000 showed up.
Posted by: herta | September 22, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
After college Obama moved to Chicago to be part of the Jerry Kellman organization as a community organizer. … Among the primary goals of Alinsky was radical socialism and redistribution of wealth. Alinsky taught his proteges to ‘HIDE’ their true goals by any means necessary. Lying was fine. The objective of Alinsky and Kellman was to turn people against the white establishment,”……
“So we have a candidate who has no experience, he’s got no achievements, but his associations with genuine America-hating radicals occasionally cause him to say things that lead me to believe he’s bought into a lot of what he’s heard. I think he’s bought into it, and I think he repeats it. I think he is the formation of an indoctrination that has occurred to him his whole life, and now he seeks the presidency…. What to make of Michelle Obama’s use of the terms, ‘The world as it is’ and ‘The world as it should be?’” “Try Chapter 2 of Saul Alinksy’s book, ‘Rules for Radicals.’” NO WAY NOBAMA……..I’d rather have the hockey mom McCain/Palin 08
Posted by: FlaRebel | September 22, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Polls show that 15-20% of the voters who are voting for McCain have answered that they would not vote for anyone of color no matter what. This even includes a lot of the Democrats that were supporting Clinton. We’ve had Blacks, Hispanic, and Asians voting for White Caucasian candidates for years, but there is still a core of ignorant who only vote for whites, and none other. Sad isn’t it? Makes you wonder what went wrong and why so many still think this way. It must make McSame very proud that a goodly part of his core constituency is represented by these types of individuals.
Posted by: Jim | September 22, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
“I will be attending STANDING ROOM ONLY rally for Gov. Palin in Orange County Calif in early October….20,000 expected.”
You mean the event for later this week that was canceled?
“Speaking of Biden, I have heard and read Hillary will be replacing him on Oct. 5 due to “health” reasons”
Yes well they write lots of insane things at free republic.
Best not to believe everything you read.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 22, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm
“Polls show that 15-20% of the voters who are voting for McCain have answered that they would not vote for anyone of color no matter what.”
So we need a rock star who is an albino?
Johnny Winter for POTUS!
Posted by: len | September 22, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
North Dakota has 3 electoral votes and the last Democratic Presidential candidate they voted for was Lyndon B. Johnson. What a fascinating “news” story.
Posted by: Bob Scofield | September 22, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Well, Obama is definitely going to take NC. Polls are showing him tied, which means “winning.” And if you don’t think the McCain camp is feeling it, then note the fact that they’ve suddenly felt the need to open 20 new field offices in NC. I guess they’re finally realizing what the people of NC know: McCain has lost it.
Posted by: thisniss | September 22, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
taken from….Posted by: Jim | Sep 22, 2008 5:09:21 PM (with a little added modification,,,)
….but there is still a core of ignorant (NON WHITE)who only (95%)vote for (NON)whites, and none other. Sad isn’t it? Makes you wonder what went wrong and why so many still think this way.
It seems to work both way, be fair and critique equally…
Non -White myself
Posted by: Non-white myself | September 23, 2008, 5:00 am 5:00 am
Want to talk Liberalism? This comment board overwhelmingly writes about having a one-party system with no checks and balances, as we watch the world’s economy crumble in our own backyard; anyone here have perspective? Ever give any thought to why we have a 3-layered Constitution: Legislative, executive, and judicial. checks and balances. Ever hear the term? No matter how hard you may want Republican victory in the election, it sounds more like a Republican addiction. Like watching a bunch of crackheads who don’t know what happens when we all run like a herd over the cliff. Talk about liberalism.
Posted by: Shannon | September 24, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am
I can’t even tell the TRUTH about Hussein Obama (Ayers, Acorn w/c defrauded election in Chicago, and Barack is the leader of that, J. Wright, 143 days in the Senate kind of experience, etc. etc. …. because if I do, people will brand me as a racist. On the other hand, if they bash Mc Cain, it is okay.
This country has reverse descrimination.
Why is MSNBC ALWAYS lying us? 99% of what they report is a blatant lie.
Posted by: mdv | September 27, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
It is true Barack Hussein Obama went to Harvard, but that does not entitle him to make disparaging remarks about the small town people of Pennsylvania and Ohio and Michigan. Who does he think he is?
Posted by: m | September 27, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years.
The first six the economy was fine.
However, a little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19/gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high–14,000+
5) American”s were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!…
But American”s wanted ”CHANGE”! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress & yes–we got ”CHANGE” all right!…..
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!!;
3) Unemployment is up to 6% (a 20% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by 12 TRILLION DOLLARS & prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~11,300–$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
*YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE!…AND WE SURE GOT IT!!!….NOW the DEM”S CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT–AND THE POLLS SAY HE”S GONNA BE ”THE MAN”–CLAIMS HE”S GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE!!….JUST HOW MUCH MORE ”CHANGE” DO YOU THINK YOU CAN STAND???*
Posted by: anon | September 28, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm