Out West, Obama Faces Gun Battle

“I’m a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight…..
If you graduate from Harvard law School, you are unstable.
If you attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing state of 3 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: beauty queen, local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking executive.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America’s.
If your husband is nicknamed “First Dude”, with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now.”
Quit frankly the thought of Ms. Palin sitting across the table from the likes of a Mahmoud Ahmadinejad chills me to the bone. Given McCains health issues and age Ms. Palin could in deed become the President Of The United States
Scary Very Scary

How many animals did Palin kill, just for the fun of it?
Is there anything pro-life about that?

Manufacturers and dealers, that is.

Any pro-life polar bear or moose HATES Palin, haha, Greta you’re so right.
Our Christian Sarah kills for fun.
In the animal world, she’s a cold blooded murderer.
Pro-life kiss my *ss.

well as long as afl-cio does its job then he’ll be ok. Obama’s problem is with white women. White men are already gone. Most of these guys wouldn’t vote for Obama anyway. So that flubbed line will only reinforce what they believed anyway.

Michael Moore’s Bowling For Columbine is a striking documentary on one of America’s most dangerous addictions: guns.
In no other western country so many people die every day from the use of guns. Before one is able to defend oneself with a gun, one is shot dead by a gun.
There’s crime and thugs everywhere, but having guns all over the place has made America into the most dangerous western democracy to live in.
So – what do we do about it?
Do the NRA people care?

kent…
the age old saying couldnt be said loud enough to you… GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE, PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE. dont take you’re eye off the ball.

Yeah, if you want to get into hypocrisy of the pro-lifers, you should really talk about their overwhelming support for the Iraq war and the death penalty, not killing animals.
That said, while I believe Obama will do nothing to harm gun owners in part because he couldn’t even if he wanted to, I think pushing this issue is probably unwise.

What I’ve never really understood is why any hardcore Christian would ever be Republican. After all, the Republican tenants are that poor people should fend for themselves, while Jesus’s *main* message was to help one and other.
Catholics for the longest time were strict Democrats. Bush won some of the over with the whole compassionate conservative theme – giving money to the poor is ok. Of course Bush didn’t really do that.
Other Christians seem to take a completely different tact. I’ve never quite understood it. Of course I was brought up Catholic, so really the whole evangelical movement with mega churches and calls to war in general confuse me.

bottom line is that members of the NRA are not the problem. its not the millions of law abiding americans that have guns for self protection or sport. its the idiots. the criminals. the gangsters. these are the people that ruin it for everyone else. but, that being said, if we didnt live in such a politically correct society (thanks again for that liberals) we could deal with gun crimes like they should be dealt with. all gun related violence or crimes should be dealt with HARSHLY. i mean, severe penalties for anyone found abusing gun laws. but that would be wrong right liberals? i mean that wouldnt be humane to put someone in federal prison for 20 years for an armed robbery right? wrong. if we are going to continue to have guns (which we will) either toughen the sentences severely or expect things to stay the same. if you wonder why other nations can do it without problems, its just common sensethat the aGUNS arent the problem. its society.

Obama was flip flopping like a wounded fish about gun control in the District of Columbia, first he was for, then against, but it all depends on who he is talking too. LIke when he is talking to an “elite” group in San Fran, or the “bitter” folks in Scranton PA…..liar, crook , and political opportunist, Americans see right through him.
McCain/Palin. 2008, fight for America with me, patriots.

again, guns dont kill people, people kill people. its a social issue. we should be able to live in a country thats civilized enough to NOT SHOOT AND KILL SOMEONE ELSE. but then again, we should also live in a country where people cant legally kill an unborn child, but hey who am i to say….

kitty…
changing the slogan is the in thing for the liberals these days, just ask obama… lol

i agree with you about putting these thugs in jail for a long time, tim. it’s the thugs who are the problem and they need to be put where they belong.

To:johntex….of course you should fend for yourself. Why should any body else have to pay for your up keep!

MM, i refuse to be dragged into a lengthy discussion with you about this, but, although I am pro- choice, I think taxpayers shouldn’t be made to pay for it. just like I don’t think taxpayers should pay for capital punishment. I agree with Governor Palin that we have to move toward a culture of life.

MM..
i totally agree. honestly, if i had to place a vote for it tommorrow, i would vote it illegal except for rape victims, incest, etc. but as far as a form of birth control?! not a chance.listen, im a conservative (and not because of religious beliefs) but thats just common sense. i mean, just the idea of arguing the fact of “when does a baby become a human “is ridiculous. i believe there is a God, just like an overwhelming number of americans. no matter what God you pray to, im sure he or she would be against killing an unborn child!! some things you cant over compilcate and abortion is wrong. so, i realize its a touchy subject and a big subject to americans, but is it really that complicated?

People kill people, sure. But my history studies learned me that people with guns kill a lot more people than those without them.
All the stats and numbers PROVE that guns are a major problem in our society.
Americans are not more criminal than the British or the French. Government though makes it lot more easy for them to kill. Guns are made for fast and easy killing, remember?

Kitty
O yea of little faith fail to realize that Ferraro was the first Female to run as Vice President. She happen to be a Democrat by the way. Republicans are over 30 years behind the curve on this one.

hunger…
so you’re saying if we outlaw all guns in this country, the criminals wont get their hands on guns?! are you crazy?! where do we get the majority of drugs from? from across the border or overseas. you actually think there wont be guns in the hands of the bad guys?! maybe if we had a government that dealt with problems like we should, it would work, but not a chance. not in modern day america. all it would do is take away guns from guys like me (who has used it for self defense before and worked) and from the hundreds of thousands of people that use them for sport. its a social problem.

tim, there’s no getting through to some people. I know. I used to be one of them. it’s a lightbulb kind of thing. but once it goes off, you see things in a differnt light. :)

i don’t own a gun, but i don’t want any thug to think i don’t. that would make me a sitting duck. maybe simple terms will work for some people. if the criminals know law abiding citizens don’t have guns, do you think they are going to be happy?

MM…
both sides?! you dont think the right would go for abortion being illegal except for the rape victims, incest, etc.?! they would take that deal in a heartbeat. the left has made this such an enormous issue for them, that they wont budge on anything remotely close to making ANY abortions illegal. thats the sad part.

tim
The fault is on both sides. The debate is no longer a debate. It is who can scream louder. Pro-Life or Pro-Choice. This makes the issue impossible to resolve.

MM..
i do agree with that. its something that will never be changed as long as we are alive.

C A Wren, your comments are nothing but a regurgitation of BHO and the DEM(one Howard Dean) comments and press releases. Go read about the man an the lack of success he had in Chicago you will get both sides. The news people, I say that with little confidence, have got you trapped. You sound like a intellignent person but are just caught up in the hype. By the way I voted Clinton.

Kitty
I am a guy, and I believe if you are doing the same job as me you should get paid the same amount. There are people out there that will not do this, and it happens everyday. But it is a double edge sword that men should get paid equal to women doing the same job as well. Therefore no underqualified woman taking a qualified man’s job and vice versa.

tim
The laws may be passed but the executive branch has to enforce the law. (veiled swipe at Bush)

well, i guess that dosent really help me out at all… lol i just have never know this to be an issue, and have never done any research on it … so this is another thing bush is to blame on?!

and let me go one further, MM. if we’re going to go passing that kind of law, i want to make a law that requires every sinlge school in our entire public school population to have 50% male teachers. I’d actually support that law. i’d even pay them a signing bonus just to get it to happen.

tim, there’s an article floating around that compares the rate of pay of Obama’s staff and McCain’s. Once again, according to the article, McCain does waht Obama wants to legislate.

MM, if you remember from last night, I employed myself. I better have paid myself equally or I would have quit.

hey tim, have you seen dear mr obama?

MM, i really thing we need more male teachers, and i was being sarcastic. i was saying, of all the laws involving equal anything, i’d like to see that one. but i meant it. so it was sarcastic with a tinge of real.

tim
I can understand you wanting less government. But Republicans don’t follow through on the promise. They had 6 years Republican controlled Congress and a Republican President and they never succeeded. The truth is the only way to reduce government is responsibly. Get rid of ineffectual programs, keep the ones that work. Fix loopholes, reform the tax code so you can reduce the size of the treasury. There are ways to do it but Republicans get to Washington and forget about. At least Democrats tried to pass health care it failed but they tried to do what they promised.

on abortion…the real issue to me is that it is a womans choice…but should taxpayers have to cover the cost. Why should prolife people have to feel that their tax dollars are supporting abortion they so strongly doppose. If you are having an abortion as birth control…pay for it yourself. But chances are we will end up paying for the “unwanted” pregancy for a lifetime if abortions are made illegal. Why is it that Americans care so much about the lives of the unborn, but can turn a blind eye when seeing children running through the streets with absolutely no homelife that is safe and happy. Its just messed up. My case for pro choice.

Republicans are push polling in Florida. If they are ahead, why are they push polling?

Republicans are voter caging people under foreclosure in Ohio/Michigan. If Republicans are winning why are they voter caging people losing their homes.

tim
I would agree except McCain votes against all earmarks. Not bad earmarks, all earmarks. For example Obama ask for earmark for gang violence prevention. That is an meaningful earmark. But McCain doesn’t see good or bad he just says no. I think that shows he lacks the judgment to actually takes both sides of an issue. That is why he votes no on equal pay because really why would anybody be against it.

and yes, MM, i know there is a minumum wage , so they already do to some degree.

tim
I think Obama is more honest then most politician. He is not the type to win by lying. He is the type of politician to use the rules against you. Example caucuses, signature challenges. He is effective at it because he is a civil lawyer. Civil lawyers are more specialize in election laws then a corporate lawyer would be. There is also proof that generally Obama is more truthful then McCain. Politifact.com, factcheck.org. and so on.

Tim sadly, just like mccain said in his speech, the republicans have let people down. at least there’s still something to hang onto. democrats, on the other hand, are way too far left this cycle. they are a bit better at shifting, tho. so maybe a loss to the dems would give the repubs time to regroup and teach the DNC not to put a leftie in the nominee spot. a gal can dream, can’t she?

MM
simply said, obama has only been in washington 3 years!!!! how many scandals can he possibly be involved with in that short of time?! all his scandals were from before he got in washington. if you are in washington long enough, you will have scandals whether they are true or not. you create alot of enemies just by going to washington. if obama loses this time and runs again in 2012, he will have a much harder time because he will have that many more “Scandals”. thats just common sense.

tim
I didn’t bring scandals, you brought up scandals.

mm…
you said you felt obama is more honest? what do you mean by that then?

MM, you just keep telling yourself that. half the population where i live is living in poverty. they literally live government check to government check. i’m not mad at them for it, i feel sorry for them fo rit, and wish there was a way to help them out of the dependancy. giving them money isn’t the answer long term, and i do resent it when people buy potato chips with EBT cards.

Kitty
Get real, people are working and getting paid not nearly enough to survive an economic crisis. Trust me there are more working poor then there are unemployed poor. I also don’t think that unemployment increased because more people got lazy.

MM, I’ll give you that. he’s crafty and manipulative. it’s probably one of the reasons mccain is doing so well in this climate. what you find appealing, others find appalling. and those people can’t wait to pull the lever at the polls, too.

MM, can you elaborate on that? i am genuinely curious about black poverty as a mindset. can i google this?

mm…
there have ALWAYS been more “working poor” than unemployed poor. first off, other major, developed countries would LOVE to have our unemployment rate. im not saying that i like that when it goes up either, but thats what the market does. bottom line is that welfare helps about 20 to 25 percent of the people that use it. and thats being pretty generous. welfar is slavery. thats what the democrats thrive on. dependency in the form of welfare and all other entitlement programs. its all about getting votes, and democrats have gotten the black vote consistently for decades. do you think this a coincidence?!

Kitty
Nope you have to experience it. The black people who make it out don’t go back, not even those gangster rappers. You can tell a fake gangster rapper because he always tries go back to the ghetto. Most black people who grow up in the environment know the ultimate goal is to get out before you become indoctrinated.

mm…
beleive me on this one. its the one area that i know alot about and see it first hand everyday of my life. welfare is the single biggest factor of the problems in the inner city black communities. it is a generational “disease” that the government keeps putting a band aid on. im not saying hat its the only problem, but it all stems around it. it is a dependency, plain and simple! i wish i had more time to explain this, but its a conversation for another time.

tim
Welfare is not slavery, because it doesn’t force work. Welfare’s real purpose is to be a safety net to keep retention in the workforce. The closest thing we have to slavery in America is actually illegal immigration. The government needs to crack down on companies hiring illegals and stop that form a slavery. Illegal immigrants barely get enough to live. Plus they pay taxes, that is right they pay sales tax, and don’t get protection under the law. But they come here anyway because it is a lot better then where they came from.

Kitty
Hillary flip-floped on Michigan and Florida not the other way around.

Kitty
Sometimes things are not as clear as they appear to be. Republicans are not going to fix immigration because that will cut off a form of slave labor. That border is meaningless if all their going to do is go around it. The terrorist came in through Canada but we don’t hear about a fence in Minnesota.

Kitty
No, those people need to get a job. that is not slavery. There not working, their getting paid to do nothing but take up space. Welfare is meant to be a safety net, but people take advantage of it. Illegal Immigration is the only form of slave labor in this country.

tim
You don’t know the Illegal Immigrants I know. They pay taxes because of sales tax. They don’t get government aid, health care, social security, normal services we take for granted. They work under the minimum wage, doing the jobs no one else wants to do. They are held illiterate even if they gain citizenship. They are also force to live in substandard housing. I don’t know about you but that sounds an awful lot like slavery.

Technically
I have more foreign policy experience then Palin. I lived in Argentina for 6 weeks and visited the embassies there. Ha Ha.

If Obama thinks recycling stale Kessler/Third Way talking points and hiding behind an astro-turf group like AHSA will fool anyone than it’s Obama who is the fool. Trying to con gun-owners didn’t work for Kerry in 2004 and the same gambit won’t work for Obama in 2008.
The fact is Obama will take guns away; it’s right there in the 2008 Democratic Party platform, a promise to ban so-called “assault weapons”. Despite the news media’s continued incapacity to accurately report on the “assault-weapon” issue (regardless of almost two decades of hot debate), the average gun owner is wise to the facts and knows what an Obama presidency would bring. That’s why there is a surge in firearms sales this year.
The free marketplace is already voting, and when it comes to guns the vote is against Obama.

FactOid, thanks for your 10:46:08 PM post. I now know Obama will very happily take away my handgun. That’s what happens when I give a smooth-talking flimflam man the benefit of the doubt by not reading closely enough between the lines of his “nuanced” statements about rifles and shotguns!

Gov Palin knows how to make a deal. She went to the table with Big Oil then sent the proceeds of her deal making to the citizens of Alaska.
There is no difference in business deal making than in political deal making. The same rules.
So far, Gov Palin has been accused of being an adulteress, her daughter has been accused of being a whu re, she has been accused of being a bad mother, burning books and on and on.
How old are the Koran and the Bible with their emphasis on women’s “roles” and “sins”? Why digress?
Why did the liberals revert to religious fundementalism (which is the very thing they have professed to abhor) when a woman is running for political office? Liberals have you considered that your party would not even allow a woman to be considered for VP?
I suggest with the false moral charges and attacks for being in the work force brought against Gov Palin that the Democratic party has taken a stand against itself.

Kate,
When Governor Palin levied additional taxes on Big Oil in Alaska, do you think Big Oil ate this additional expense and just took less profit, or did they pass on the expense to the rest of Americans in higher costs for energy?
Who pays for Alaskans rebates?
WE DO. Palin might have been good for Alaska…they love her as she found a way to save them money and stick it to the rest of us in the Lower 49! But, her policies are not good for ALL Americans.

So, what? Obama will let us keep single shot shotguns and bolt action rifles? No thanks. I don’t hunt. I prefer my handguns that I carry on a daily basis for protection against the welfare scum entitlement crowd that Obama panders to.

To anyone that thinks Obama does not have the votes to take your guns. The DC hand gun case was decided by a 5-4 vote. One judge voting the other way and the right of AMericians to own and keep guns would be gone. The Senate confirms judges. The Senate is democratic controlled. If Obama nominates a gun control judge he will be confirmed. Then the next gun control case to come before the court will be decided in favor of gun control. Obama has the votes he needs to take guns away. Saying he doesn’t is a lie.

Obama votes with Democrats 98% of the time.
Agreeing with Pelosi, Reid, Dean…sorry but I don’t find that very comforting.
Obama will not only be the abortion president–he’ll be the anti-gun president.

Obama is the most ant-gun politician ever to vote. There is no anti-gun bill he has not voted for. He is the most left wing liberal in the Senate and c an be identified as a Marxist. Look up his record. He comes from Chicago corrupt politics where guns have been banned for years making citizens of this great city unable to defend themselves. No free citizen should vote for this Socialist/Marxist.

I know Obama claims he is not going to take away our firearms yet he is on the record time and time again saying he will ban the types of legal firearms I have. Therefore, no matter what he says to the people at the rallies, his official position statements and the Democratic Party platform say otherwise.
BTW, more people have died in Ted Kennedy’s back seat than from my firearms.

In the US Senate, Obama voted for a particular amendment offered by Sen. Kennedy that would have banned most rifle ammunition used for sport and hunting. With a few exceptions, the entire democratic party is hostile to gun owners.

IF I actually believed Obama and the Democrats were going to deliver on their promises of creating jobs and improving the economy, it would be very difficult to vote against them even though I have no doubt that they will try to trash the 2nd Amendment. However the pattern of behavior for the Democrats is to give american labor lip service during the campaign and forget about them afterwards.
I cannot vote for the Republicans because of their ‘give everything to the wealthy’ policies. The trickle down theory has failed. Wealth has not trickled down; poverty is trickling up. The destruction of the consuming power of American labor is the underlying cause of our current economic meltdown.
Since I cannot vote for the Democrats or the Republicans, I’ve got 49 days to decide between the Greens and the Libertarians. Maybe I’ll write in a vote for Paris Hilton; I doubt even she could be worse than either of the Repucrats.

And one other thing…minimizing gun crime is related to increasing earning power of ordinary citizens…They are inversely related. As more Americans can find jobs and less families struggling, there will be less gangs and less gun violence. Americans turn to the streets just like those in other countries and fight because they feel they have no other choice. If Iraq provides jobs to its people, less will be able to recuit to extremist campaigns.

Remember, Obama was FOR the DC handgun ban BEFORE he was against it (i.e., after the Supreme Court’s decision).
Also, Captain Constitutional Law said at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church last month that he would not appoint Justices like Scalia, Alito, Roberts, and Thomas (i.e., the MAJORITY in the Heller gun ban decision).
Further, Obama said a debate with Hillary that he is in favor of re-instituting Bill Clinton’s so called “Assault Weapon Ban.”
Obama is NOT gun friendly and, in fact, on this issue he is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
WAKE UP AMERICA! NOBAMA is a fake on this issue and does want to take your guns…

The “American Hunters and Shooters Association (AHSA)” is a fake organization. It is actually led by gun control advocates who just happen themselves to do some occasional hunting now and then. It was created by Democrats as a cynical attempt to lie about being pro-gun.
Ray Schoenke has personally donated money to Handgun Control, Inc. and to the Brady Campaign.
Jon Rosenthal founded Stop Handgun Violence in Massachusetts. When this was pointed out, Rosenthal was forced to resign from AHSA.

Osama! Obama! He’ll make Big Gov yo’ Momma! Oh, Thank Heaven, for my AK-47!

Obama has said that people should not be permitted to own guns. He supported the Chicago gun ban, he supported the D.C. gun ban. Now he wants us to believe that he’s changed his mind? When Obama says he supports the Second Amendment he’s lying.

Actually, mec .. The vote was 9-0 that the Second Amendment protects a natural individual right that pre-exists the Constitution. It was 5-4 that said the government cannot limit that right to military service. Go figure?

To all those pro-gun control folks posting on this thread: You make a lot of references to other countries that have less gun crime. Sure, they might have less gun crime, but they have much, much more government-perpetrated crimes than the US. Many people are murdered by their own governments EACH DAY because they don’t have the means to defend themselves.
In the US, crime is perpetrated mostly by gangsters, gangster wannabes, and other lowlifes. In the “other” countries with “less gun crime”, crime is perpertrated by the government.
So, I rather keep my freedom rather than relying upon some socialist/egalitarian garbage to “defend” me.
Most gun owners in the US are law abiding citizens and the most friendliest and kindest people you will meet. Those people who commit crimes with guns are not gun owners. They are simply criminals, using guns as an easy way out.
Don’t try to distort history, gun-banners. You all know the truth. Just go research, how many people have been jailed, tortured, and killed by their own oppressive governments in the last 100 years alone?

The writer of this article is surprised that people are not fooled by obama’s “support” for the 2nd amendment?
He is supported by Ray Schoenke, who helms the American Hunters and Shooters Association. It’s board members consist of gun banners from several gun ban lobbying groups.
The writer supposedly follows politics, but does not mention that obama was on the board of the joyce foundation, that funds groups that push for laws banning guns.
He does not seem to be familiar with obama’s voting record, supporting every gun ban bill. He was in full support of DC’s gun ban. Being from Chicago, he supports all gun bans affecting law abiding citizens, but has not supported any bills on enhanced penalties for armed gang members!
When teaching law, obama said the 2nd amendment refers to militias such as government forces like the national guard, and does not protect the rights of the citizens, like the rest of the amendments are intended to do.
So where in obama’s career has he shown support for the 2nd amendment? His record shows constant attempts at infringing on citizen’s rights, only his teleprompter says otherwise.
Why is the media showing this bias for obama?
Do we want more corrupt chicago politics?
I will be voting against osama biden laden

The National Rifle Association has listed and documented the anti-gun people who founded the American Hunters and Shooters Association. This organization IS a front for the gun grabbers. If the reporter would contact NRA they can supply him with the names and histories of the individuals involved. For a highroll financier of OBAMA check out GEORGE SOROS, a Hungarian gentleman, who has funneled perhaps 50 million dollars into American anti-gun organizations.
He uses his vast wealth, see the currency collapses in South East Asia which he profited off of, to destroy our 2nd Amendment rights.

I wonder why no one seems to notice that Obama seems to always talk about sportsmen and guns together? I don’t have to be a sportsman to own a or need a gun. To infer that the 2nd amendment has hunting/sport in mind is to not understand what the bill of rights and constitution are all about

So if he says I can’t, I won’t, I’m not…you won’t believe him, because hey, he must be lying. And if he says ‘and even if I wanted to, I couldn’t because Congress would stop me’, then that must mean that he IS going to. Okay. I see that now. He’s lying, and whomever you elect to Congress, if they say they’ll keep him from doing that, they must be lying, too.
I’m not going to rob your house tonight, incidentally. I have no plans to kick in your door and set fire to your couch. I won’t steal your car. And even if I wanted to, the cops driving around would keep me from doing it.
Silly, right?
This is why gun people and non-gun people have so much trouble talking. Even the words mean different things.

If you read the constitution,it says nothing about hunting or sporting.The second ammendment is there for regular people to protect themselves from government(abolish it if needed-second paragraph in the declaration of independence).That tells us AR’s,AK’s,ect….are much needed incase of an emergency.I could go on for a couple hours but I type slow and mispell words.