Palin Flip-Flops on Whether Global Warming Has Man-Made Causes; Falsely Claims She Never Suggested Otherwise

Remember John McCain had the judgment to pick this woman who will be the back up to decide whether to launch a “nucular” attack…whether the oil compnaies will continue to write the energy policy and pay for her inauguration, whether the us goes to war and how to deal with the dangerously failing economic war for science that America is losing in the schools and in the world market.
this woman you know the really smart one from the interview last night…who got almost every answer wrong or muddled…or didn’t know.
ugh…

The expression on her face when Charlie hit her with the bush doctrine question was PRICELESS !!!!!
I can’t stop laughing !!!!!!

These TWO lie and lie and so little is made of it!
It should be the start of every news cast.
WE need a lie log on McCain/Palin

You are taking her out of context.
Palin said in her previous interviews that she wouldn’t claim to say to have all the answers on global warming.
By the way none of this means anything.
The democratic secretary of state in ohio just won the election for Obama.
She rejected 1 million mccain absentee ballot applications.
The dem secretary of state has just won Ohio for Obama and thus the election.
What she did takes the power away from the people.
Jennifer Brunner an Obama lackey just took away the integrity of this election.

So she doesn’t deny that climate changed.
She is skeptical that it’s manmade but never rules out that possibility. K?

To Auto:
Can you stop laughing when Obama said the president of Canada is the leader of Canada.
To Auto:
Canada hasn’t had a president for 140 years. Canada is under a parliamentary system.
How about Joe Biden not knowing she is a governor and calling her a Lt governor.
How about Obama calling Maliki the president of iraq. Maliki is the prime minister.
She knew what the Bush doctrine is.
It has many parts. She was asking which aspect of it. She answered it was his worldview. She knew what it was but Gibson’s question was vague.
Was Gibson talking about not working with other countries.
Was Gibson talking about pre-emptive war.
Was Gibson talking about building democracies.
What was his question.

I’m glad Charlie asked hard questions, it will just make Palin tougher.
She could have picked an easy interview for her first one–I’m glad she didn’t.
It was tough and she did good.
Very funny that BO supporters love Charlie now but hated him a few months ago for picking on Barry in the debate.

Cumo on GMA FAKES concern, but does not answer why Obama sent a list of questons to “Our View Only” that could not be asked of Michelle Obama, adn Barbie Walters agreed.

riley,
The interview was soft…
I could have answer the questions it wasnt brain surgery.
She sucked!
Can you see her on oberman? LOL

Palin did a great job last night, and I think it steams the left wing in this country that she’s so knowledgeable and in touch with the American people. They think the conservatives have ‘stolen’ their stuff—”What, a WOMAN? That’s OUR schtick!” “What? WORKING CLASS ROOTS and a blue collar husband? That’s OUR schtick!” “What? She has EMPATHY? She LISTENS? That’s OUR battlecry” Waa Waa.

I would respectfully suggest that she is clearly NOT lying, and I find it disturbing that you would insist that she is. She agrees that there is global warming, and I would think that would be enough to satisfy folks. But, no, we want to hold her feet to the fire and have her agree categorically that the warming is caused by human activity. And she espouses a view that I personally do not find particularly radical– the view that human activity has probably influenced global warming but is not the ONLY factor involved. She did that annoying politician thing of setting up a straw man– “show me where I’ve said there’s absolute proof that nothing that man has ever conducted or engaged in has had any effect or no effect on climate change. I have not said that.” And the quotes you trumpet as proof that she is lying do not, in fact, say anything that specific. She has never said that there is ABSOLUTE PROOF that NOTHING man has ever done has affected climate change. So give me a break, okay? Let’s talk about her actual words and deeds, not get caught up in “gotcha” moments. This is as bad as Charlie acting like there is a simple , universally agreed-up definition of the “bush doctrine” that she did not know — it is a doctrine that has evolved over time and has numerous components. Asking Charlie “in what regard” shows not that she was ignorant of the doctrine but just the opposite– that she wanted to know, rightly, what part of that doctrine Charlie was referring to, since he seemed to have a very specific idea in mind.

How come this story does not lead the news, but “lipstick on a pig” is covered for 36 hours straight?
Candidates need to explain their comments, not just blatantly throw it back on the interviewer with an “it never happened” attitude.
To quote George Costanza on Seinfeld, “Jerry, just remember: It’s not a lie if you believe it.”

Can you believe this? James Carville actually said Palin gave the right answers, and Obama woudl have responded to Gibson Likewise. Dems now worried Obama costing thema chance at reelection and holding the Congress

Andrew Sullivan: Gibson Interview: She Lies Reflexively

…But this exchange is a classic example of how she tends to lie reflexively when caught in an uncomfortable part of her record:

GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, “Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God.” Are we fighting a holy war?
PALIN: You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.
GIBSON: Exact words.

So far, clearly able to recite talking points imprinted on her by Randy Scheueneman et al. But no actual understanding of the issues involved. She has met no foreign leaders ever, but she has been in touch with Randy Scheuneman’s former client, the somewhat nutty Saakashvili.

McCain/Palin – “The Falsehood Express”

Don’t blame ABC. The medias are just doing the vetting job the McCain campaign hasn’t. Period.
Now we know that Palin has charisma, is a powerful women but also a liar. Regarding McCain himself, this is the man who said 4 months ago he would lead a repectful campaign. So, McChange has cained, for the worst.

Why doesn’t anyone ask her about “first dude” Todd’s membership in the Alaskan Independence Party, and the fact she addressed their convention? This is a grup that supports, among other things, Alaska’s seccession from the United States! For Sarah Palin, it may be “Country First”, but only if that “country” is Alaska….

I wish Charlie had asked her if she understood the actions and history of what has happened in the last year with georgia…
that is the problem…even this horrific horrible scary dangerous performance that she gave…
this is her coasting over with the 30 second sound bites and she still was horrific…she didn’t know what has happened in georgia…she didn’t know what the historical details of diplomacy were with russia
Charlei ask her what the signifigance of camp david are and follow up
ask her what she thinks of our trade agreement with China?
at what point do republicans stop defending a very bad ethical mistake by the Mccain campaign.

By the time Sarah Palin becomes the President, Americans would not know what hit them.
All her views are towards the extreme.
Religion Extremism, Environmental Extremism, Admnistrative extremism, the extremisms are countless.
And to hear her call Al Gore a doom-and-gloom Environmentalist is way beyond her mouth.

Palin has changed her position on the Climate Change.
What a flip-flops!!!!

DIRECT QUESTIONS REQUIRE DIRECT ANSWERS WITH PROOF, EXAMPLES AND EXPLANATIONS. PALIN WAS WISH WASHY SEEMING TO FIGHT BACK LIKE A HIGH SCHOOL KID. IT WAS PITIFUL….OF COURSE, WOMEN AND SOME MEN WILL LOVE THIS SHALLOW TRASH AND PLATITUDE…..
IT REALLY SHOWS WHAT A HOPELESS JOB THE McCAIN TEAM IS DOING… THEY ARE ASKING HER TO DO WHAT BUSH HAS BEEN DOING THE LAST 8 YEARS…GIVE THE SAME ANSWER TO EVERY QUESTION…WHAT A PHONY…

She didn’t answer any of his questions directly. Charlie, why were you so easy on her, why did you let her get away with it. Qualified because I’m close to Russia and have led the National Guard? Wow, she can see Russia from her state, that certainly qualifies her. That’ll certainly help when she’s dealing with Putin. Denying her comments about God’s war and saying Lincoln said it? Look at the tape, she clearly was preaching about God’s war.
Just what we want, someone with access to our “nukular” bombs going after Iran’s “nukular” program. It would be nice to finally have someone who can at least speak the English language.

Excellent reviews on Palin, even from left wingers at the demoted and crumbling MSNBC

If you think Palin did great, you’re the most ignorant person on the face of the erath. This woman looked like a dear caught in the head lights. You’ve got to be kidding me. This woman is a total joke.

Palin is an opportunist pure and simple. She holds narrow views that please her handlers and spouts them to advance her ambitions. There is not one thing I have read or heard about her or from her yet that makes me think she is VP material or even someone I would like to know. She is odious.

Most campaigns tell little white lies.
McCain’s campaign has a pathological problem with the truth. It’s coming up over and over.
If we can’t trust them to tell the truth in a political campaign, how the heck can we trust them with the presidency? It’s like they have no moral compass.
Bridge to nowhere story? LIE
Palin-pig on a lipstick outrage? LIE
Phony obama hospital controversy?LIE
Sex ed ad? LIE
SOmeone needs to tell them they’re losing all credibility

Jake,
She NEVER said that it is “absolutely” not man-made.

Multimillionaire Senator with 8 houses seeks a 9th.
Willing to lie cheat and steal to get it.
COUNTRY CLUB FIRST

If she did just a “great job” why are you McCain supporters complaining? Shouldn’t you be “happy” with this interview?
lol
Posted by: Vanessa | Sep 12, 2008 10:18:46 AM
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Yeah, the republicans are scrambling this morning.
They studied for a test for TWO WEEKS and flunked.

This woman was a total joke. She looked like a deer in the head lights. If you think she did well, you’re in total denial. She exhibited 2 things :ignorance and stupidity and is a big let down to women. Now I undertand why the rest of the world thinks Americans are very stupid people.

paige?
major Media- The Our Agenda Express.

Yeah, I’m sure the Republicans are scrambling…. LOL
Rasmussen Tracking 09/09 – 09/11 3000 LV 48 45 McCain +3
Gallup Tracking 09/08 – 09/10 2718 RV 48 44 McCain +4
Hotline/FD Tracking 09/08 – 09/10 902 RV 46 44 McCain +2

The real people who live in the real world see her as a breath of fresh air, and all the frantic name calling and obvious vitriolic rage can only mean one thing: they are panicking over Palin, and Barak Obama is in real trouble.
Loving it and laughing all the way to election day!

I love all these posts that furiously demand a retraction because she used the word “absolute” in her answer.
Welcome to the world of Clintonian language parsing, partisan Republicans. Depends on what the “meaning of the word is–is”.
Spare us the phony outrage. Your candidate said it. She should have the courage to own it.
I used to be a Republican about ten years ago. Back when the Republican Party used to at least pretend to be about personal responsibility and being accountable for your actions.
Those were the days.

I don’t believe the term you are looking for is flip-flops, I believe it is LIE-LIES. Haven’t these people ever heard of video tapes? (Well maybe McCain hasn’t, but…) Palin ABSOLUTELY STATED and they have it on tape, that she doesn’t believe that Global Warming is man-made. She is a despicable LIAR, and about this subject of all subjects, there is no excuse.

JA natinal pols slowing and reversing that don’t really matter when the state by state polls show Obama is still clearly the leader…and fuyrther ahead than the last 2 cycles.
yes after last nights interview showing John mcCain’s great judgement in how to get us out of here by picking that candidate who “can see Russia from Alaska” and misquoted Lincoln…
yeah they are scrambling.

Steve,
Think before you speak. Saying there is absolutely no proof for global warming being man-made vs saying you don’t believe global warming is man-made are two very different things.
It’s not about parsing language.
One states with certainty, the other does not.

If man is the main cause for global warming here on earth, why are all of the other planets also experiencing warming?
By the way, has anyone seen the report regarding the latest weather forecast from the 2009 Farmer’s Almanac? David Tirrell-Wysocki (AP writer) writes: “Based on the same time-honored, complex calculations it uses to predict weather, the Almanac hits the newsstands on Tuesday saying a study of solar activity and corresponding records on ocean temperatures and climate point to a cooler, not warmer, climate, for perhaps the next half century.”

Roger
Gibson should have asked more follow ups
you should be thanking the guy if you don’t care that she is absolutely ill qualified and lacking the basic knowledge to be the leader of the free world and be making decisions on nuclear missiles.
Gibson had a woman who could not answer questions…because she does not know… as a citizen of the US ….he should have been like “Heck! Lady you can’t answer this!1?/”
but he didn’t

Obama doesn’t even know what to call the head of State in Canada, our next-door neighbors to the north, let alone sit down at a table with them and complete negotiations regarding a multi-billion dollar gas pipeline from Alaska to the lower 48, as Palin did.
Someone needs to sit down with Obama, the PRESIDENTIAL candidate, and give him a pop quiz on all of the issues they expect Palin the VICE-PRESIDENTIAL candidate to know about…………….

Great article in the Times of London:
“The essential problem coming to light is a profound disconnect between the Barack Obama of the candidate’s speeches, and the Barack Obama who has actually been in politics for the past decade or so.
Speechmaker Obama has built his campaign on the promise of reform, the need to change the culture of American political life, to take on the special interests that undermine government’s effectiveness and erode trust in the system itself,
Politician Obama rose through a Chicago machine that is notoriously the most corrupt in the country. As David Freddoso writes in a brilliantly cogent and measured book, The Case Against Barack Obama, the angel of deliverance from the old politics functioned like an old-time Democratic pol in Illinois. He refused repeatedly to side with those lonely voices that sought to challenge the old corrupt ways of the ruling party.
Speechmaker Obama talks about an era of bipartisanship, He speaks powerfully about the destructive politics of red and blue states.
Politician Obama has toed his party’s line more reliably than almost any other Democrat in US politics. He has a near-perfect record of voting with his side. He has the most solidly left-wing voting history in the Senate. His one act of bipartisanship, a transparency bill co-sponsored with a Republican senator, was backed by everybody on both sides of the aisle. He has never challenged his party’s line on any issue of substance.
Speechmaker Obama talks a lot about finding ways to move beyond the bloody battlegrounds of the “culture wars” in America; the urgent need to establish consensus on the emotive issue of abortion.
Politician Obama’s support for abortion rights is the most extreme of any Democratic senator. In the Illinois legislature he refused to join Democrats and Republicans in supporting a Bill that would require doctors to provide medical care for babies who survived abortions. No one in the Senate – not the arch feminist Hillary Clinton nor the superliberal Edward Kennedy – opposed this same humane measure.
Here’s the real problem with Mr Obama: the jarring gap between his promises of change and his status quo performance. There are just too many contradictions between the eloquent poetry of the man’s stirring rhetoric and the dull, familiar prose of his political record.
It’s been remarked that the biggest difference between Americans and Europeans is religion: ignorant Americans cling to faith; enlightened Europeans long ago embraced the liberating power of reason. Yet here’s an odd thing about this election. Europeans are asking Americans to take a leap of faith, to break the chains of empiricism and embrace the possibility of the imagination.
The fact is that a vote for Mr Obama demands uncritical subservience to the irrational, anti-empirical proposition that the past holds no clues about the future, that promise is wholly detached from experience. The second-greatest story ever told, perhaps.”

I was appalled by Charles Gibson’s so called interview. It was an interogation…His arrogant demeanor was also uncalled for and un professional. He could hardly look at her through most of this interogation. I haven’t seen this treatment of Joe Biden. I think he owes her and the American public an appology for thi appalling treatment of her. So much for bias reporting… shame shame on you Charles.

Friday, September 12, 2008
Second Time As Farce: How Palin is Exactly Like Bush, Part 2
From Palin’s interview with Charlie Gibson:
Palin: “Our national leaders are sending them on a task that is from God”
Gibson: Are we fighting a holy war?
Palin: (looking strained, desperate, trapped): The reference there is from Abraham Lincoln who said “Never presume to know God’s will…”
Robert Zimmerman: She failed to describe how a McCain/Palin foreign policy would differ from a Bush foreign policy…
Gibson: Have you ever met a foreign head of state?
Palin: I have not, and I think that if you go back in history, and ask that question of many Vice Presidents they have the same answer that I just gave you.
Anderson Cooper: Bay, ABC News just did a fact check. They looked back the last 30 years, all Vice Presidents have met a foreign leader. Does that matter?
Bay Buchanan: No, it doesn’t at all. Her answer was excellent. It will make Americans feel that much closer to her. She’s very real. Sure, she hasn’t traveled overseas to meet these foreign leaders. But that’s not what American’s are looking for. She’s absolutely correct. They want somebody that they can relate to. Who’s hearing them. They’re sick and tired of those people in Washington who may know lots of facts and figures and meet lots of people…
Zimmerman: It’s always a danger when we have leaders who know facts and figures, Bay. That really does get in the way of setting up sound policies…My concern, Bay, is that when Sarah Palin says that she’s not met foreign leaders like that’s a good thing–We made that mistake eight years ago when George W. Bush was that likeable guy that you wanted to invite over for a barbeque.

Jackie
He was proberly trying not to laugh!

So the press is supposed to be “deferential” to her? Who died and made her Pope?! It is not INTERROGATING someone to get them to fully answer a question or admit that what they say now is the exact opposite of what they said before. Palin is a political unknown to the MSM and the American people, and we have a right to know who is going to be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Right now all we know is that she can read a good speech that someone else has written for her, and she is good at plugging in answers (often the same ones for different questions) that other people have coached her on. Her Republican handlers are trying to line up her “opinions” to match McCain’s, but this dog don’t hunt, or that other saying either.

Vanessa,
Your numbers are wrong btw.
OHIO McCain +1.8
NEVADA McCain +1.0
NEW MEXICO Obama +2.3
TIME TO REFRESH YOUR BOOKMARKS. LOL!!

Come on people! There *IS* a line that one can cross. Palin crossed the line. She is in territory way over her head. This is dangerous and bad for everyone.
People can not defend her like this. Most are bringing out the obvious here, but there are a few that try to make it all ok with one little thing or come up with some sort of excuse. That is not ok.
Normally, people can have opinions and we can all argue, but now it’s important as a population as a whole, no matter what side you’re on, to say, enough is enough. She crossed the line.
So now what?

Yes.
And if Vanessa wants to talk about polling numbers, she should check the new figures for Washington State today.
Obama is down from +12 to only +2 in the matter of only one month.
RCP now has that state as LEANING Democratic, rather than SOLID Democratic

I for one am sick of the ‘flip-flop’ term. Can you not be a little more creative?

Now I see why she had McCain at “hello”
She is a flipflopper just like him. A match made in HELL.

Mark … how about
Double minded
Unstable
Unsure
Not Ready
Not Trusted
Loser
Liar
Joke
take your pick

That sound you’re hearing is buyer’s remorse.

How is “I’m not one who would attribute it to being man-made.” not definitive? She is LYING.

Was she prepared (YES) They all have people around them preparing them for debates and their interviews
How Many foreign policy expert does Obama have on his team and why
Religion Questions It seems to be that the news media and Obama has more tolerance with Muslin faith than they do with Christianity The church Obama went to preached hatred for the United State When he says I never herd those sermon the press gives him a pass Listen to his wife remarks about her thought about the US
The better question list Obama qualification for President
Palin interview with Gibson was 10 times better than Obama was at Saddlebrook

Palin interview with Gibson was 10 times better than Obama was at Saddlebrook
Posted by: Wayne | Sep 12, 2008 10:53:57 AM
I TOTALLY AGREE!

Obama could not handle this interview with Gipson. The reason, because it would be “above his paygrade!”
Obama = Dumb
Biden = Dumber

These woman group are not for real woman issues. Just like the Jessie Jackson in the world who don’t stand for ALL black people advancement These are more about their own agendas and some case self advancement they are for woman rights There biggest belief is abortion rights All the other issues are just smoke screens to make you think it woman rights Just like the Jessie Jackson attacking Bill Cosby and even Obama when they spoke out on real problem that are in our black community they got chastised by Mr Jackson The same is true when these woman attack VP Palin They’re really attacking her on her abortion position and the fact that is she has conventional values They know that if a woman like Sarah gets to on a national platform they’ll have a real problem It could effect their group, which in turn effects their pocket book and some case they would be out of work as organizers Most woman in the US don’t have the same views that the far left woman have These ideals are more like the woman in EU than are in the US
It is ok not to agree with her on the issues but to denounces her success and say that she unqualified is going pretty far Again the media and the far left don’t want her to have a plat from not because she not qualify but because of her stance on abortion If she came out tomorrow morning said that she was for abortion they would flock to her like baby chickens The tone that far left woman have toward anyone that has a different speaks for itself In this country we should be able to debate the issues and agree to disagree and if the majority don’t agree with you don’t belittle them
If you plan to vote in this election take some time go back and look at the past ten years Look at the all the street protest this country has had and tell me which groups act uncivilized. I think they are Abortion right activist. Gay rights and anti war group Its is not the conservatives who are out raged I ask all voters look deep into your mind and heart to search for what import to you Which values do want imposed on your children

I don’t mind that Gibson interrogated Palin, but I do mind that ABC edited the interview. Since this is the interview we’ve all been waiting for, they either should have taken it out if their newscast and shown it in its entirety in another one of their primetime shows or broken it down into sizeable parts that could be shown in full over a number of nights.
Regardless, I’m glad that America is coming together on the issue of Global Warming. There are few people left who dispute it, and the argument as to whether man did or didn’t cause it is falling by the wayside as we all join forces to combat it. For example, it really doesn’t matter whether or not our factories and cars caused it as long as we’re focusing on their emissions as a way to curtail the effects of Global Warming.

I’m taking the poll numbers from creditable pollsters. Quinnipiac and CNN/Time.
While Obama is holding on to blue states, Kerry states. He taking states Bush won in 2004. It was posted yesterday I believe on this same blog.
While McCain ISN’T picking off any blue states Obama picking off Nevada, Ohio, Iowa, Colorado, New Mexico and is fighting in a Republican stronghold…. VIRGINIA. Registered 42,000 in the month of August ONLY.
Obama’s ground game is superb.

You know Palin did bad when fox news has its host all with in ten mins say:
“Palin looked tired, she was tried”
“Palin did ‘reasonable well’”
“Gibson’s got ya question were out of line”
“Palin did um ok I um thought”
FOX NEWS EVEN ADMITS SHE SUCKED!

The dinosaurs like Terranesaurus Rex, and the Duck Billed Dinosaur, which lived in the Brooks range of Northern Alaska, are wondering when they can come live back in their sub tropical jungle in Central and Northern Alaska.
Alaska was a sub tropical jungle that succumbed to the ice age. Being that man didn’t create the ice age….how is it he is taking the blame for the planet warming up to its natural temperature again.

The expression on her face when Charlie hit her with the bush doctrine question was PRICELESS !!!!!
I can’t stop laughing !!!!!!
I agree!!!!
This woman scares the crap out of me…right along with McCain.
I am confused also, WHO IS RUNNING FOR THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT???? I thought it was McCain but after this week I think he stepped down to VP. He can’t even go out and give a speech anymore without her by his side. This also worries me.

how did saddleback come into this conversation? hahahahaha
we’re talking about palin the vp choice (who oh by the way has been hidden from the public for TWO WEEKS studying for this quiz). She blew it on the most important questions. YOU KNOW IT
that is why you are trying to deflect the conversation to Saddleback (which was oh by the way a debate on faith and not political views)
calm down folks …. 4-8 years go by fast. GOP will see you when you get your act together. Do you realize that you have been at the helm for the past eight years and now you want to reform washington WITH THE SAME PLAYBOOK. hahaha
laughable.
step aside
no mccain
no way
no how

The hubris remark by Gibson was over the line. He was indeed trying to trip her up and be the imperious uncle. That said, she handled it well and answered well. Gibson is at the top of his game and Palin is starting hers playing very well for stepping up from the minors to the majors.
From my point of view, they both did their jobs vigorously. No fault; no failure.

McCain xamp
“Sure she could have done better”
“Gibson’s question were out off line”
Seems they think she did great!LOL

Palin is a reformer — this is what the public have in mind now. No matter how the media and Obama people try to smear, it will not work. Palin’s story has been told by “PEOPLE” – those who vouched for her VP draft way before McCain made the annoucement, those who wrote books and reports about her reform records, those who stood up and told the story of woman with integrity and strength. That is why Palin’s story is credible and instantly sold to the public.
On the other hand, the Obama story is totally made up by himself. The media tried their best to package him. But there is no single on outside source and record that can back up his claims. That is why Obama is losing and will lose at the end.
Read the this article from Times London:
Speechmaker Obama has built his campaign on the promise of reform, the need to change the culture of American political life, to take on the special interests that undermine government’s effectiveness and erode trust in the system itself.
Politician Obama rose through a Chicago machine that is notoriously the most corrupt in the country. As David Freddoso writes in a brilliantly cogent and measured book, The Case Against Barack Obama, the angel of deliverance from the old politics functioned like an old-time Democratic pol in Illinois. He refused repeatedly to side with those lonely voices that sought to challenge the old corrupt ways of the ruling party.

BobbyG
Good post
How do we do it and still stay competitive in the world market
How do get counties like China to do the same

“The way ABC wanted the interview” Ms. Palin, you are a true outsider, what we in this inside the beltway crowd call, insignificant. You don’t have millions of dollars, you are not a lawyer, your 17 year old is expecting, your son is off to war on account of that war mongering George Bush – not an elite northeast college. You rub elbows with people called Bill and Myra – not Buffie and Thurston. You snowmobile -not hang out in Aspen with all us cool people. You want to drill for oil when we can easily buy it from outstanding people like Chavez, whom is loved and adored by our Hollywood friends. You doubt the inventor of the internet on his global warming predictions, you dare invoke God into your life and to top it all you bring a defective child into the world when you could have aborted it. What kind of woman are you?

Most people are trying so hard to forget everything about BUSH, that no one WANTS to remember what the Bush Doctrine is.
Even the news commentators, who deal with current events every day, were talking about the interview last night, and more than half of them weren’t exactly sure what the Bush Doctrine was.
I’m sure Gibson had to pull out his notes from five or six years ago to dig that question out.

amy
Thats a out an out LIE !

Yes, Palin’s story is so transparent,she’s trying to hide 1100 emails written during the period of Troopergate, claiming, wait for it, EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE. Sound familiar?

wow she really didnt know much did she…. this should really worry john mccain, no wonder he is keeping her on a short leash… this pitbull is rabid with inexperience

Obama has a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science with a specialization in international relations from Columbia University. He also has a professional doctorate in law from Harvard Law School.
Palin has a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from University of Idaho.
Who do you want making the decision to press the nuclear button?

I would respectfully suggest that she is clearly NOT lying, and I find it disturbing that you would insist that she is. She agrees that there is global warming, and I would think that would be enough to satisfy folks.
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No it’s not. The FATCT that humans are impacting the temeratures on earth is the key to understanding global warming.
If she doesn’t believe it, she will think it’s fine to continue to rely on fossil fuels, she will not care about emmissions, and she will contuinue to promote policy geared to help oil companies and exploit our resources. Of course, as she stated, she has worked closely with the oil companies in Alaska. This is a good thing?
We’ve already seen what happens when oil buddies run our white house.

If you’re going to practice gotcha journalism (and why any credible news organization would want to is beyond my ken), could you at least not sound so stupid doing so? Governor Palin is being consistent in all three statements – she disagrees with those who say it’s wholly man-made (and no reasonable reading of the evidence, showing a 500 year warming trend, would say it was except for political purposes), she believes natural cycles (presumably including solar cycles) are at play, and she leaves room for the possibility that man’s activities through polluting emissions are partially responsible. Only a Charles Gibson wanna-be could misconstrue her statements to say they are evidence of inconsistency.

She is simply leaving room for the “potential” (her word) that man might be contributing to global warming, while she suspects it actually due to natural weather cycles. This is not a flip-flop but an allowance that she might not be correct in her belief. This is nuance and humility. ABC would not understand.

Obama has a Bachelor of Arts degree in political science with a specialization in international relations from Columbia University. He also has a professional doctorate in law from Harvard Law School.
Palin has a Bachelor of Science degree in communications-journalism from University of Idaho.
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But what about McCain? Oh yah, he graduated in the bottom 1% of his class admits he know little about economics.
Well, I don’t care if they lie to me. I just love that waving flag behind them. And Sarah has the best glasses in the campaign. She can read a sarcastic speech better than anyone!
I’m voting McCain/Palin. Yes, I’m a gullible moron. I’ll buy anything Carl Rove is selling!

Palin said in her earlier statements that she agreed there were changes in the climate but she DID NOT agree they were man-made. It was politically expedient for her to say so at the time as a politician in Alaska. Now as a politician on the national stage, it is politically expedient for her to say she DOES agree.
She is LYING when she says she never said it wasn’t man-made

Barack Obama the speech maker is being rumbled! (from the Times Online)
From The Times
September 12, 2008
Barack Obama the speechmaker is being rumbled
There is a yawning gulf between what the Democratic candidate says and how he has acted. That’s why the race is so close
Gerard Baker
It’s funny how the harder you look at something, the harder it can be to understand it. I can’t recall a US presidential election that has attracted more attention. But neither can there have been a time when the world has watched what goes on in America with the nonplussed, horrified incomprehension it has now.
Travelling in Britain this week, I’ve been asked repeatedly by close followers of US politics if it can really be true that Barack Obama might not win. Thoughtful people cannot get their head around the idea that Mr Obama, exciting new pilot of change, supported by Joseph Biden, experienced navigator of the swamplands of Washington politics, could possibly be defeated.
They look upon John McCain and Sarah Palin and see something out of hag-ridden history: the wizened old warrior, obsessed with finding enemies in every corner of the globe, marching in lockstep with the crackpot, mooseburger-chomping mother from the wilds of Alaska, rifle in one hand, Bible in the other, smiting caribou and conventional science as she goes.
Two patronising explanations are adduced to explain why Americans are going wrong. The first is racism. I’ve dealt with this before and it has acquired no more merit. White supremacists haven’t been big on Democratic candidates, whatever their colour, for a long time, and Mr Obama’s race is as likely to generate enthusiasm among blacks and young voters as it is hostility among racists.
Background
* Middle-of-the-road Obama run over
* Barack Obama’s Palin problem
* US election race descends into taunts
* Obama rattled as rivals steal limelight
In a similarly condescending account, those foolish saps are being conned into voting for Mr McCain because they like his running-mate. Her hockey-mom charm and storybook career appeals to their worst instincts. The race is boiling down to a beauty contest in which a former beauty queen is stealing the show. Believe this if it helps you come to terms with the possibility of a Democratic defeat. But there really are better explanations.
One is a simple political-cultural one. This election is a struggle between the followers of American exceptionalism and the supporters of global universalism. Democrats are more eager than ever to align the US with the rest of the Western world, especially Europe. This is true not just in terms of a commitment to multilateral diplomacy that would restore the United Nations to its rightful place as arbiter of international justice. It is also reflected in the type of place they’d like America to be – a country with higher taxes, more business regulation, a much larger welfare safety net and universal health insurance. The Republicans, who still believe America should follow the beat of its own drum, are pretty much against all of that.
You can argue the merits of each case. But let me try to explain to my fellow non-Americans why Mr Obama’s problems go well beyond that. Even if you think that Americans should want to turn their country into a European-style system, there is a perfectly good reason that you might have grave doubts about Mr Obama.
The essential problem coming to light is a profound disconnect between the Barack Obama of the candidate’s speeches, and the Barack Obama who has actually been in politics for the past decade or so.
Speechmaker Obama has built his campaign on the promise of reform, the need to change the culture of American political life, to take on the special interests that undermine government’s effectiveness and erode trust in the system itself,
Politician Obama rose through a Chicago machine that is notoriously the most corrupt in the country. As David Freddoso writes in a brilliantly cogent and measured book, The Case Against Barack Obama, the angel of deliverance from the old politics functioned like an old-time Democratic pol in Illinois. He refused repeatedly to side with those lonely voices that sought to challenge the old corrupt ways of the ruling party.
Speechmaker Obama talks about an era of bipartisanship, He speaks powerfully about the destructive politics of red and blue states.
Politician Obama has toed his party’s line more reliably than almost any other Democrat in US politics. He has a near-perfect record of voting with his side. He has the most solidly left-wing voting history in the Senate. His one act of bipartisanship, a transparency bill co-sponsored with a Republican senator, was backed by everybody on both sides of the aisle. He has never challenged his party’s line on any issue of substance.
Speechmaker Obama talks a lot about finding ways to move beyond the bloody battlegrounds of the “culture wars” in America; the urgent need to establish consensus on the emotive issue of abortion.
Politician Obama’s support for abortion rights is the most extreme of any Democratic senator. In the Illinois legislature he refused to join Democrats and Republicans in supporting a Bill that would require doctors to provide medical care for babies who survived abortions. No one in the Senate – not the arch feminist Hillary Clinton nor the superliberal Edward Kennedy – opposed this same humane measure.
Here’s the real problem with Mr Obama: the jarring gap between his promises of change and his status quo performance. There are just too many contradictions between the eloquent poetry of the man’s stirring rhetoric and the dull, familiar prose of his political record.
It’s been remarked that the biggest difference between Americans and Europeans is religion: ignorant Americans cling to faith; enlightened Europeans long ago embraced the liberating power of reason. Yet here’s an odd thing about this election. Europeans are asking Americans to take a leap of faith, to break the chains of empiricism and embrace the possibility of the imagination.
The fact is that a vote for Mr Obama demands uncritical subservience to the irrational, anti-empirical proposition that the past holds no clues about the future, that promise is wholly detached from experience. The second-greatest story ever told, perhaps.

“as she stated, she has worked closely with the oil companies in Alaska. This is a good thing?”
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Governor Palin worked closely with the oil companies in Alaska to break their power. She took out of their hands the timing and decision on the building of the gas pipeline, and she forced changes in the regulatory regime that allowed companies to sit on their holdings without developing them. So yeah, it’s a good thing.

Palin make Hillary look like an new born!
Palin has class beauty and brains!
Hillary is scared of her!
Hillary wont take her on because Palins a pitbull and Hillarys a pupett.
Palin is a real woman!
McCain Palin 08

itobo
is that why they paid for her inauguration and rehired her husband in some new fangled way as she was about to renegotiate taxes with them?
she worked with them because they are now getting record profits and in an oil economy dependent state they shared in those profits…because they were getting record windfall profits they were open to it.
Please don’t make Sarah Palin out to be this lie that has been spread…
she is all about oil dependence.
and if they drill in the refuge and off the shore …
that oil still has to go up for bidding ina global market
so tell me again how this helps us soo much and not HER.

You know, it is just impossible to determine what any of these candidates really think when you analyze one sentence at a time. That goes for statements made by Obama and Biden too.

she denies she eve said that global warming wasn’t effected by man…this is what the AP is reporting back about another lie like this from her…
here is their quotes of her doing just exactly what she says she didn’t do …again…ugh.
from the AP – “In the past Palin has said she does not believe global warming is caused by human activity. She has told the Internet news site Newsmax, “A changing environment will affect Alaska more than any other state, because of our location…. I’m not one, though, who would attribute it to being man-made.”In an interview with a Fairbanks newspaper within the last year, Palin said: “I’m not an Al Gore, doom-and-gloom environmentalist blaming the changes in our climate on human activity.” ABC cited the interview as being at odds with her statement.”

Very interesting indeed. People can see through the lies that Gov Palin is telling and they still support her….neo-conservatives for the sake of so called family values which allow teenagers to get pregnant out of wedlock; feminists supporting her for, well, she’s a woman,their own rights be damned!!! Lol when people say she’s got foreign policy experience as one old GOP geezer puts it…b’coz she’s right there facing “those eyes of Putin staring down on Alaska”
Is the majority of American public really that gullible/innocent or plain Idiotic/Stupid!?
Either let the world vote in this presidential election to decide who the leader of the free world should be .. or STOP interfering in other countries’ affairs and mind your own bloody business!!!!!

haha… drip drip drip, more and more inaccuracies about her come out everyday. This is why she has been in her media proof “bubble”
Gaffe- AWAY!!

The $50,000 tax free for seniors is a pander for Hillary voters. Younger workers already resent paying into the Social Security system. Now its beneficiaries are to become largely tax exempt while the rest of us bear the additional burden?
Obama needs to take a few math courses. Upping tax on the wealthiest of us will generate “x” amount of dollars. Anything he spends or gives away over that amount is economic suicide.

GOP 08: LOLOLOLOL… In your dreams… I am not a Hillary fan but this I do know, Hillary can put Palin away so fast your head and hers would spin, you would not know what hit you. You GOPs are a joke to watch and listen to. Everything that comes out your mouths are lies or twisted truth. You or your party have nothing to offer the US, the whole GOP party have done nothing but prove what an Empty Suite it is.

Jake, she fooled you, and probably a lot of swing voters, too.
She said man had a potential to cause climate change, nothing more.
That is consistent with her earlier statements, and the deniers in the Republican base will see it.

GOP 08
fool us once shame on you
fool the country twice shame on us
fool the country a third time…well then we would deserve the fall it would bring.
Luckily we are not deserving and we are not that stupid.
as McCain and Palin and Rove tell us to keep our eye on the sexism and they will protect our hindquarters…
…and to stay in that bent over position while they again fight off the earmarks and taxes… but don’t look at the facts
ugh

Doesn’t seem too bad of a flip-flop. She seems to be consistent in her view that humans aren’t the ones entirely to blame for global warming. Plus, if that’s what she said then and she’s on the right side of the issue now, who really cares? This won’t stick.

OBAMA WILL REDUCE TAXES FOR 85% of the nation. McCain thinks (well NOW he does)the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy are the way to go. (Funny that “in good conscience” he couldn’t support them before he was running for President. The “maverick reformer” is really a reformed maverick.)
The people who will see an increase are the richest Americans. They currently pay less in taxes, as a percentage of their income, than middle class Americans. Why? Because the Republicans think making rules that only aid the richest people in America somehow helps people. Or they just don’t care.
I have yet to understand how ANY working class person can think that Republican economic policy is a good thing for them or for our nation. The rich have gotten richer and the middle class actually has less to live on than they did eight years ago.
I’ll pick the candidate who will help the greatest number of people. That’s not what Republicans like to smear as “socialism”. It’s common sense. And if you don’t like it, you can simply let the government keep the tax break. (Somehow I doubt 85% of Americans are going to complain when their taxes go down)

Why doesnt Clinton take on Palin or Mccain ?
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Perhaps because she’s not the one running for President or VP and they are?
Though I’d LOVE to see Clinton and Palin!
The GOP beauty-pagent-bulldog-princess would be in tears by the end. There’s just no comparison. The hocky-mom stuff only goes so far. Americans are now getting past all the hype. Clinton would run circles around her on EVERY issue.
And YES! Some of us are more concerned about the issues facing our nation and who can handle them versus sarcasm and the color of someone’s lipstick.

Fair point, but I don’t see her past comments completely ruling out any man-made causes, especially w/out any context to the quotes …. but clearly, she doesn’t put much emphasis on man-made causes.
Ok, so she flip-flopped. Obama and McCain have flip-flopped about 100 times combined. Big whoop! Are we shocked when politicians do this anymore?

Obama’s new ‘hard hitting ad’:
“-McCain is OLD!!”
LOL
What an incompetent bunch! There goes another demographic..
Keep it coming, its going to be very lonely in November for the Obamazoids.
After he loses, Obama will go on and write another book about HIMSELF for you suckers!

“is that why they paid for her inauguration and rehired her husband in some new fangled way as she was about to renegotiate taxes with them?”
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Snappy comeback. Totally ignore the hit your pov has taken by meeting fact with fiction. Works for Obama, why shouldn’t it work for those with lesser intellect?

Omentum
you’re just like Obama you can’t give a straight answer to the question or maybe your just skirting the issue
She number 2 on the ticket Obama number 1 I think his performance should meet a lot higher bar than the number 2
Posted by: Wayne | Sep 12, 2008 11:22:53 AM
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(10 second pause) In what respects Wayne?

How did she flip flop? Even on Gibson’s show, she never validated the possibility of human contribution, only saying that it could potentially be.
Jake
Get real.

man has contributed largly to the climate change
the end

This is not softball people … stop bellyaching.
Seems like this thing is going to go to the wire AGAIN. Idiots out there are still voting against their interest.
We will ensure that caribou barbie gets vetted properly. Just like obama has been vetted.
You cry about folk going up to alaska investigating this “unknown” but when folks were harassing people on the “prayer list” from TUCC it was just fine.
how does it feel to be a hypocrite.

I keep reading the desperaste comments from the angry left. Faced with the obvious fact that Obama is tanking, and people love Sarah Palin, they keep going back to the old schtik;
“Uhhh – Rove!!”, “Uhh – Voted with Bush!!” “Uhh – Failed Policies!!” “Uhh – Neocons!!”
Old angry left boogymen
“Progressive” Pah!

His lack of basic understanding of logic is a total disgrace to journalists everywhere.
Can you believe that abc would hire someone who can’t distinguish between:
1. It is absolutely not true
2. I believe it is not true (no statement of absolute certainty)
One is open to revision, the other not.

itobo,
Fox News reported Bush had Won FL before the results were known we all went to bed thinking Bush had won!
We woke out and he hadnt!
The Supreme Court of the United States decided who got to determin which votes count and which dont the Court said the power rests with the Fl Attorney General she had to decided who won.
She was appointed by Bushes brother Bush won. He He He
We the GOP wanted it more!

Funny to see Republican supporters bending over backwards to give credence to Palins lack of knowledge. As an independent voter, my mind was made up last night. No way, No how. We cannot afford anymore power hungry, incompetent, and unprepared leaders, even if we would like to have a beer with them!

Like i said:
Palin did a shocking job but it just makes us and Clinton nuts think everyone is being mean!
The result GOP wins

The Supreme Court of the United States decided who got to determin which votes count and which dont the Court said the power rests with the Fl Attorney General she had to decided who won.
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No, but it’s OK if you don’t have the ability to use Google. There are sheltered workshops for people like you who need people to spoonfeed them their facts.
The Supreme Court of the United States let stand the vote count which had Bush ahead of Gore, overturning an attempt by the Florida courts to manually count ballots in only selected Democratic counties in an ultimately fruitless attempt to get the mere hundreds of additional votes needed to put Gore on top. Had the Florida court not overreached, had it ruled from the beginning that every ballot should be recounted instead of those that would favour Gore, the Supreme Court would not have been involved because that would have been a reasonable position.

no flip flop here. no change of position, no three days of polling to determine what his response should be then three days more to refine it.
Oh…..and which foreign heads of state had John Calhoun or George Clinton met? You made a broad statement sir. Please provide the foreign government contacts for the previous 46VP’s as well as the losing candidates.

“Notice he just couldn’t let the question go, he had to ask it 5 different times”
If she can’t face a question being asked respectfully 5 times, how will she negotiate with other world leaders.

Its amazing the expanded and detailed answers that right wingers see in Plain’s answer.
Its as if they have been provided a script to make sure everyone understands that Palin really knows what she was talking about even though it did not appear that way.

Yes, reading her responses for comprehension would require most on the left to have a script.

And Palin’s father was a science teacher. So I’m sure she heard all about the scientific cycles of climate change while she was growing up.

Where’s the flip flop? She doesn’t say that she whole heartedly agrees with man-made global warming. She said she believes in the cyclical nature of global temperature (natural warming and cooling) and wouldn’t argue with scientists that make a man-made global warming point.
That’s not a flip flop Jake. That’s taking all viewpoints into account. Flip flopping would be changing your position to one directly opposed to your previous position. She didn’t do that. Man-made causes and natural causes are not polar opposites as they both can hypothetically contribute to global warming.
Another attempt by ABC “News” to distort Palin’s position fails.

And here are the hard hitting questions posed to Obama by Charlie Gibson on that first interview. Wow, quite a contrast to those posed to Palin. Of course she is running as VP, not President.
CHARLES GIBSON: Next, the presidential race and our attempt to explore the private side of the candidates, to learn about the events and the influences that have shaped them and brought them to this point in their political careers. So today in our “Who Is?” series, a Democrat relatively new to national politics, Senator Barack Obama.
GIBSON: Your mom comes from the Pacific Northwest, migrates to Hawaii, goes to college there, right away, meets a dashing young Kenyan, gets pregnant and the result-
OBAMA: That’s me.
GIBSON: That’s you. (Voiceover) His father got a fellowship to study on the mainland and never came back.
GIBSON: Obama’s mother would remarry and take her son to Indonesia for five years. Only once again did he ever see his father, that, when Obama was 10. (to Obama) He didn’t care enough to stay.
OBAMA: Right.
GIBSON: How did you internalize that?
OBAMA: My conclusion is that some of my drive comes from wanting to prove that he should have stuck around, that, that I was worthy of his attentions. There’s no doubt that his absence had an impact on me. I engaged in a bunch of self-destructive behavior. I drank. I, you know, tried drugs. I didn’t take my schoolwork seriously.
GIBSON: It all changed for Obama in his final college years. (to Obama) What flipped?
GIBSON: For five years out of college, he worked to pay off student loans and was a community organizer in Chicago, which led him back to school, Harvard Law School, and on a summer job, met this young woman. (to Obama) Did you know right away?
GIBSON: They have two daughters, Malia and Sasha. At first, Obama was intimidated by the Harvard law students.
GIBSON: But he found he could more than hold his own, finishing first in his class and being editor of the ‘Harvard Law Review.” He’s candid: it was at Harvard he first thought of running for President.
GIBSON: So did you think to yourself, ‘Barack, what kind of hubris is this that I am thinking about being President?”
GIBSON: You have written, “I learned to slip back and forth between my black and my white worlds.” The simple question I guess is in which world do you really belong?
GIBSON: And you can see extended versions of our “Who Is?” series, which will ultimately include all the presidential candidates, at ABCNEWS.com.

John
Do you have stock in oil companies too ?
I say global warming is like y2k to!
Even though there’s Islands in the south pacific that are going under water and the ice sheet in almost gone.
As long as im rich now.. what do I care if the world ends right ?

Palin said to Charlie Gibson that global warming might be partially due to human activity. There’s nothing much contradictory between what she said to Gibson and what she’s said before. Nobody even knows for sure if global warming even exists or if it does, what it’s due to.

“She said she believes in the cyclical nature of global temperature (natural warming and cooling) and wouldn’t argue with scientists that make a man-made global warming point. ”
That is also the opinion of NOAA, if you look at their website. The Vostok ice cores show this cyclical nature. There are no scientists who disagree with that assessment.
Further, solar variability is now being understood as cyclical, and we’re in a downturn there. Virtually no solar activity in August. No significant changes in global temp for the past decade.
Please, before drinking the koolaid at Bro Gore’s church, at least understand the science behind it…

GOP 08
The earth is warming, as anyone with a thermometer can tell you. But is is NOT due to manmade activities.
Everything important in nature occurs in a cycle. Just look at the cycle of day/night, cycle of the seasons, tides, menstrual cycle in reproduction, cycle of the Earth’s magnetic pole switching from North to South. Even light has it’s own cycle and wavelength. Why would we expect temperature to be any different?
We are simply coming out of the little ice age. It’s no big deal. We all need to relax.

John
Again there are islands in the south pacific that are under water.. australia is taking in its people.
There is almost no ice sheet left!
Its not a cycle its man made my friend!
Im not having kids and Im well off and dont care.
But please dont blow smoke up my you know what!
Do you have a green house ?
Fill it with co2 and watch what happens!
Ps all your plants will dry out and then die out!
As long as the dems dont win I dont care!
HE HE HE

GOP 08
Sarah Palin’s comments regarding global warming are the best I’ve seen so far from any politician. Finally somebody mentions the cyclical nature of temperatures.
She’s got my vote.

I know of no one, right or left, who argues that where man is doing things that are detrimental to the environment, we should not act.
No one.
Sarah Palin’s take is pragmatic, instead of the doom-and-gloom fearmongering of the left. That is what is driving the left crazy. They won’t be boxed into the massive redistributionist and regressive policies of the left on the environment.

Before anyone embarrasses themselves by referring to an “overwhelming scientific consensus” that the current period of warming (which, btw, is less than three decades old, and which has been reversing over the past decade) is caused by man-made activities, they should take the time to read this Time Magazine article from 1974. When you read about the “evidence” about man-made climate change, you should consider how convincing the evidence was in 1974 that we were facing global cooling. In fact, that’s a term you will find in this article. If you wonder why those of us over 45 are skeptical about the reliability of scientific opinion on the subject, it may be because we are old enough to remember this and similar articles.
Don’t be spoonfed your opinions. Read. Research. Learn. You’ll be better for it.

“If you wonder why those of us over 45 are skeptical about the reliability of scientific opinion on the subject, it may be because we are old enough to remember this and similar articles.”
You do realize how utterly stupid the argument is that science was wrong once so they are always wrong right?

The Headline to this article is itself a “false claim.” It implies that Palin has now admitted man-made causes, in an era when sun-spots were increasing and there was recordable “global warming” on Mars are the only cause of global warming in the solar system. She did not say that and her consistent belief global warming is mostly a result of natural cycles (primarily coming from solar activity) is not a flip-flop. That she now concedes that man should do all to slow it down, is that a flip-flop? Where did she previously say, “We did nothing to ocntribute to it, we should do nothing to slow it.” She did not ever say that so I do not see the big flip-flop here, even if I admit she is backtracking some. Back tracking is different from flip flopping. But even if it is not, so what? I have been back and forth on this very complex issue and those who see nothing to the “natural cycles” argument are either fools, or dishonest fools, or both.

sorry jake………palin never said what you are trying to infer………..nice try

On the issue of the climate, when has science been “right” and what was it right about?
IOW, climate science, relative to other disciplines, is in its infancy. Science was supposedly “right” when it predicted global cooling. Now, it’s supposedly right in predicting global warming.
The simple fact is that science is neither right nor wrong. It records observations and makes theories based on those observations. Yep, it’s warming, but it has warmed similarly many times in the past, as science proves. Less sure is the extent to which man is a contributor or cause.
The best science we have today shows that all 4 measures of global temperature are flat over the past decade and the temperatures for the past couple of years are declining.
Are we headed for another ice age? Or warming?
Too many people have bought the notion that man, in his hubris, can effect the vast ecosphere to such a degree as to bring about wholesale climate change AND that man can make a big difference.
We’re just not that big a deal here, as the climate has sustained worse blows in the past and recovered nicely. Thus, the resilience of the climate is beyond question. What isn’t clear is whether we are. Which is why at the recent COP conferences, there has been much emphasis on adaptive responses and why recent articles have highlighted that the most reasonable and rational courses are not to wreck whole economies trying to fix what may be natural, but work on adapting man and his responses to the coming changes.

“In the meantime, we should limit emissions of all pollutants, everywhere. That is the sane approach I am looking for in world leaders. So far, I haven’t seen it, but Governor Palin has come the closest. ”
How has she come the closest?

I have seen Sarah Palin do this before when researching her political stances.
Withe the gay bill in Alaska she was against it and it passed. But wait a minute – then attorney general declared it was unconstitutional – gay partners had a right to benefits. Palin changed her stance for political gain and vetoed bill.
As far as Palin’s stances about environment she receives a rating of ZERO FROM THE EXPERTS!! Her global warming stance has always been it is not man made. Now she is changing fro political gain only. Words are cheap!!
I have found her whole history in politics is based on this premise and method changing just to do what is a “populist” stance. Good or bad she will move to “populist” stance of voters.
I am a woman so have no agenda. I am just attempting to learn the truth. Sarah Palin has lie during her acceptance speech. And she and McCain continued lying. And I purposely say “lying” as facts check and absolutely show she is/did. My excitement soon turned to disappointment.
And John McCain has stooped quite low to campaign Ad “lies”. All were fact checked and repeatedly labeled as lies by news media and factcheck plus other fact check agencies. And have found outright lies in speeches given many times.
I have had enough. As for Obama – Biden. I have also done same checks. I have found only a few little stretches of the truth. These two have been found to be the most honest.
America is a disaster under Republicans for eight years. I don’t need another four years of the same. I don’t need these lies as I know they will be just more of same.

“How has she come the closest?”
By basing her opinion on what should be done through a balanced approach that does not assume that which is not yet proven (that man is the sole cause of global warming, and so man’s actions could reverse it), but recognizing that emissions of GHG would be controlled if we reduced emissions of pollution in general.
And by not assuming that political statements such as “scientific consensus” really reflect the scientific method, which is based on challenging, verifying, and then challenging and verifying again.
I have met and worked with a number of climatologists. Other than those in the employ of government or environmental NGOs, I haven’t found a single one who will tell you they are certain that climate change is man-made. Those who say it is are at least thirty or forty years ahead of the science, because science is based on predictions aka hypotheses (hence the climate models) followed by verification aka observation (hence the need to continually refine the climate models since they cannot yet pass the crucial test of predicting the known past).

Palin is a LIAR just like McCain
A liar cannot be trusted, a LIAR does NOT belong running this contry, we have done that, been there and look at where we are
WAKE UP AMERICA

In January of 2007, Central Park broke a record high that was originally set in the 1870s. What caused the “global warming” in the 1870s??? I see a lot of people getting “greener” wallets over Global Warming. Man may have cause some global warming but it’s minimal not the hysteria that most on the left buy.

McCain +4 in Ohio.
Looks like the MSM’s (Obama’s cheerleaders) and obama’s decison to attack Palin and try to smear her is backfiring in the swing states.
Jake’s “story” here only adds fuel to the fire.
Obama is sinking.
McCain-Palin are rising.
Oh and the new polling out for Ohio looks great for McCain and BAD for Obama.
Obama is losing more support from Democrats in Ohio that will vote for McCain-Palin.
latest poll released today has McCain ahead by 4 in Ohio.
*turns on radio*
“That’s the way, uh-huh, uh-huh, I like it!!”
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary ’12

Hmmm, she said she didn’t beleive Al Gore who says it is only because of man. Her stance is still the same.
Nice try at a gotcha. Please ABC, get some things straight. A few facts on your side are twisted a bit…that is one of them.

All you “buy-into-the-hype liberals” just can’t fathom that while some might agree that global climate change happens and that man MAY contribute in a SMALL way- IT IS FAR FROM PROVEN FACT.
Most models used by Liberals to “prove” global warming were based on FAULTY DATA.
Jake, you got this 100% WRONG.

Please examine her words and you will see that she is acknowledging the possibility (potential) that human activities are contributing. A “flip-flop” would be if she stated that she now believes that man IS causing global warming. She did not say that, just like Obama did not say “Palin is a pig”.
You know, NONE of you pro-global warming folks are willing to acknowledge the possibility that you could be wrong. In fact, anyone who suggests it is treated like an idiot who has crossed a moral boundary. You want to suppress any and all opinions that oppose your theory. However, you present yourselves as the open-minded and tolerant side.

That wasn’t a flip flop. It was a straight out lie.

What I think people need to stop obsessing over is global “warming” and start worrying about global “cooling”. If we DO NOT heat the atmosphere with fossil fuel use, and we inhibit the atmosphere from getting/staying warm, yes, this great giant planet that is mostly covered in water, is eventually going to grow COLDER. Do any of you know what the temperature of outer space is? Do you know much atmosphere we have between us and outerspace? Do you know how fast the magma that is spinning in the earth is cooling?
People need to get a grip. We are using the natural resources of our own damn planet, not imported stuff from outerspace. We need to keep the planet warm, because eventually, the sun, which provides all life, will one day burn out. THAT is the threat that future generations have to worry about. So long as we take care of the planet by continuing plant and animal life, we will be FINE. And if you believe in religion, then you probably believe as most that WE are supposed to be the stewards of the Earth.
Not the plants.
Not the animals.
The Humans.
We are the only ones capable of saving the planet, just as we are capable of destroying said planet.
Get a grip folks, and give the people who are paid to find these things out some time, so they can find out for sure. Any thing else is just “guessing”.
Is that so much to ask?

The NewMax article also says this;
She doubts global warming stems from human activity, and she considers herself both a fiscal and social conservative.
Doubts is a far cry from 100% against man-made.

Of course, had ABC not lied about Governor Palin’s “exact words” last night, and then gone further in the tank with this thread, I would not have had the chance to read this very positive article they pointed to, so thanks, Jake.
Some more excerpts:
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“In the year since her swearing in, Gov. Sarah Palin has overhauled the state’s approach to getting a natural gas pipeline, reworked its oil production tax, and helped rewrite its ethics laws, among other things.”
Palin won laughs, cheers and rounds of standing applause as she promised to limit state spending and defend the state’s interest “like a nanook defending her cub.
In the year since, Palin has taken noticable steps to limit budget growth and reshape the state’s approach to oil and gas development and production. She abandoned the gas pipeline deal Gov. Frank Murkowski negotiated with the state’s three major producers and pushed through a plan she said would ensure Alaska’s interests were met.
Then she worked with state lawmakers to boost the state’s oil tax.
The oil companies fought both proposals, but Palin denies claims that she’s created an adversarial relationship with the industry. Instead, it’s a relationship based on mutual respect and a recognition of the role of each entity, she said. “I will never forget who owns the resources that they are developing….”
“Municipal leaders credit Palin for understanding the role of local government and generally accommodating local concerns….”
“She understands that local government knows best where they need to spend their money,” said Tim Beck, a Fairbanks North Star Borough Assemblyman and president of the Alaska Municipal League.
Beck criticized Palin for making decisions at times without adequately consulting those affected Palin calls the claims “frustrating” but he credited her for being accessible and taking her lead from the public.
“She realizes what her role really is in government, and that’s to respond to the people,” he said….
Sen. Gary Wilken, a Fairbanks Republican who joined the Senate in 1997, said Palin did something he’s never seen a governor do. When she met with him and other lawmakers in her office, she sat at the side of the table and put her budget director or another key player at the head.
“It’s a different style of management,” he said. “It speaks to the point that she may not have all the answers, but she’s got some really good people that do.”

Commenting on the evolution of the current credit crisis Jeremy Grantham quoted John Maynard Keynes: “When the facts change, I change my mind – what do you do, sir?”
That quote applies even more to global warming — far more unpredictable than greed, fear and the workings of Mr. Market.
Clearly Palin is no idealogue. She is a pragmatist. So if she changed her mind so what? Just shows she keeps evaluating and adjusts her views when new facts emerge. A good quality in a leader.

“it behooves us all to look askance at what passes for “scientific” opinion that pretends certainty where none could exist”
For years Republicans pretended it was a hoax.
Now they say the science isn’t proven.
All while claiming to be innocent bystanders interested in the truth.

The McCain camp is just blatantly lying. This is really getting pathetic. McCain and Palin are trying to run as old school conservatives, but they are big government Bush Federalist Republicans. They are not reformers. They are not againt “Washington” or the “media” at all. McCain called the media “his base”. Palin’s repeats the “I was against the Bridge to Nowhere” talking point about about 20 times, then suddenly admits she was actually FOR the Bridge to Nowhere? I mean, c’mon. I’m not a big Obama supporter, but there is absolutely no chance I’d vote for the McCain/Palin ticket. If only Ron Paul had switched back to the Libertarian Party, I would have voted for him in a heartbeat (yes, I know he is not perfect either).

Tom, it’s not that the authors can’t “listen more closely”. They simply choose not too. And this from people who were probably English majors in college.
Maybe Simon and Garfunkel said it best in The Boxer: “Man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”

ok, this is definitely my favorite response so far:
“…As an independent voter, my mind was made up last night. No way, No how. We cannot afford anymore power hungry, incompetent, and unprepared leaders, even if we would like to have a beer with them!”
Posted by: CathyR | Sep 12, 2008 12:39:46 PM
OH, WAIT, YOU WEREN’T TALKING ABOUT OBAMA!!
(by the way, nice astroturfing “CathyR”, axelrod will be proud of you).

dl, for some reason I do not think that you would have voted Republican no matter what. In case you have not noticed, McCain is not popular amoungst conservatives, and Sarah Palin was added to the ticket for conservatives, not liberals.
Fact is, there has been no global warming since 1998, and every major temperature keeper of record is recording a cool down for 2008. The old wisdom has always been that the sun spots are responsible for climate change, and the historic records seems to confirm that CO2 has never been a driver of climate change in the past, although it has reached levels 10 times higher than current.
Right now we are fortunate to be experiencing a real life test of competing theories. This current solar minimum is unusual long, which should mean that we see a return to temperatures about like what were witnessed 100 years ago. If it does not continue to cool off over the next couple of years, then the global warmists win, but depending on how much it does cool it could also mean that this entire global warming junk can be properly dismissed. What’s the rush to invest a bunch of money in something that will not effect the world for 100 years, when we could wait about 2 years to see if it is really worth the effort?

I have found and verified Sarah Palin has always done this flip-flopping. She changes to “populist” stance always. Review her history.
What does she feel?? I can only go by all of her past stances – long ago and recently. Facts – she feels global warming is not man made.
As a woman I am disappointed in Sarah Palin!! I verified she lies! All news media, analysts, fact check, etc have she is lying!
John McCain has been lying right and left. All proven by same above agencies, etc. Both still stand by their proven lies!!
Americans must stand up and ask for honest politicians!! Seek the truth!!

IT’S CALLED LYING!

Personally speaking as an outsider living in the 53rd state ( uk ), i think you are all ( dems and reps ) a bunch of back stabbing, my team is the best team and you are never right, fill your own pockets hypocrites, who dont listen to the people, dont do enough about the important issues that affect the US and the rest of the world but rather devote all their time and resources to the furtherence of there own inflated self importance. THERE WILL NEVER BE AN ANSWER TO GLOBAL WARMING AS LONG AS THERE ARE DEMOCRATS AND REPUBLICANS

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