Politics, Parenting and War
ABC News’ John Berman and Ursula Fahy report: It was one week ago that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told more than 40 million people that her son Track is headed to Iraq. During her speech at the Republican convention, she said, "one week from tomorrow — Sept. 11th — he’ll deploy to Iraq with the Army infantry in the service of his country."
There are a couple of points worth noting about that statement. First, it isn’t entirely accurate. Today, on Sept. 11, there is a deployment ceremony for the 1st Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division at Fort Wainwright in Alaska.
But in a press release, the Army makes it clear they are not, in fact, leaving today: "The 4,000-soldier brigade will be leaving Fort Wainwright on a series of flights later this month for a 12-month deployment to Iraq."
It might be that she was using a loose definition of the word deploy. Or it might be that the date, Sept. 11, sounds a little better in a convention speech than saying, "sometime later this month."
The other thing about Palin’s statement, is that it is almost impossible to imagine it coming from the mouth of her running mate, Sen. John McCain. This is more than just conjecture. McCain’s son, Jimmy, served a six-month tour with the Marines in Anbar province in Western Iraq. How many times did McCain bring this up on the stump either before or during Jimmy’s tour? Exactly never. In fact, the McCain campaign implored the media not to ask about or report on Jimmy’s deployment. At the time, they cited safety concerns.
There are no rules about what family members can or cannot say about a child’s military service. They are private citizens, after all. And Palin seemed to overflow with the pride and love that any mother would feel when a child is serving the country in harm’s way. But sometimes the combination of being a parent and a politician creates a tricky situation.
John Nagl is a retired Army Lt. Colonel, and is now a senior fellow at the Center for New American Security in Washington. He says Palin’s comments are no doubt "the mark of an enthusiastic and proud mother," but he adds, "It does pose, conceivably, some risk on the solider and the unit." The extra focus on the son of the celebrity might not be a good thing, and, Nagl says, “there is always risk when you talk about troop movements. There is risk that terrorists could take advantage of the fact they know when flights are leaving.”
McCain knows a great deal about being the son of a celebrity in the war zone. He was singled out for brutal treatment by his North Vietnamese captors because his father was the admiral in charge of the Pacific theater at the time.
And overseas, you see this issue play out, as well. Prince Harry served for 10 weeks in Afghanistan before he was forced to leave when word of his presence leaked out. But he only managed to serve that long because the British media agreed to keep his deployment a secret. It would have, no doubt, made it harder for the media to keep the secret had Prince Harry’s mother told the world about the deployment before it happened.
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Posted by: wtcbrother | September 11, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
Cannot think of two better kids to go fight than MCCain and Palins.
Posted by: community organizer | September 11, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
What difference does it really make if her son goes to Iraq today or later this month? Must be a slow news day.
Posted by: stan | September 11, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
One would think she would have been to eager and happy to see Trig, but no she let Bristol, pregnant hold him. This young girl needs all of the free time she can muster until she has her own child. But Moose Momma acted like Bristol was a nanny. She said Bristol would grow up faster, I guess she has from teenager to nanny ,then Momma!
Posted by: lions2tigers | September 11, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
I was right. It is a slow news day. Now we have Bots posting inane comments that have nothing to do with this non-story. Geez.
Posted by: stan | September 11, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Bottomline is her son will be their in Iraq for the war they think was required. Looking at the risk, this should be appretiated. Plain wanted to introduce herself to America.
One of her kid has down syndrome and other is going to war. It is difficult on Mother. Every Mother wants her kids. Ask any military mom. Palin is a strong women who is balancing her home, kids, Alaska Gov and her new role in campaign.
Judging parents is not your job John Berman and Ursula Fahy.
Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Great, once again Palin pimps out the kids. When will America see her candidacy for the cynical, shallow narrative that it is?
Posted by: Aaron | September 11, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
Stan; You obviously don’t get it, and I doubt explaining it to you will help, but here goes.
Palin’s speach writer used the date of 9/11 as his deployment date because of its historic significance. The impact with her supporters would not have been nearly as great if she had said “later this month”. The statement was misleading – probably intentionally.
The second point is that it’s not a good idea for her to publicize the fact that her son will be in Iraq, as that will make him and his unit a much more interesting target.
Posted by: Bob | September 11, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
True as that may be you can’t get that thru the thick skulls of beer swilling Billy Bubbas and their Bubbette wives. LOL hope the Al Qiada terrorist who know he’s coming don’t get him.
Posted by: Barney Phiffe | September 11, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
This is an interesting blog and set of arguments. I’ve come to a decision to vote for Obama. On the other hand, if McCain prevails I don’t think it is a bad thing, because as President he is more likely to have the skills and the guts to stand up to runaway spending. Yes, even as a Democrat I don’t think we should recklessly spend. I support Obama solely for selection of future Supreme Court justices, no other reason. If McCain wins I hope Hillary can topple the ticket in four years, kinda like what happened to the first George Bush. There you have it.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | September 11, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Even a dip like McCain knew better than advertise his kid was over there.
Posted by: Saddlesablazing | September 11, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
When oh when is McCain or Plain Palin going to talk to us on issues???? I’m getting tired of their high school type cut down campaign, its already old a as tired as McCain is old and wrinkled.
Posted by: subsistantpotfarmer | September 11, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
Disgusting Aaron. You want to get dirty. Tell me:
- How Obama pimp his mom being half white?
- How Obama pimp Michelle Obama and Oprah for his campiagning?
- How Obama pimps his kids in every Speech and convention?
Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Palin’s political ambitions are clear. This is the third child Palin is exploiting for political gains. First Trig the son with Dawn syndrome, then Bristol pregnant teenager and now Track the soldier. Where this exploitation of her children will stop? God save America from McPalin.
Posted by: BKMC | September 11, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am
I am grateful to all who serve.
Posted by: Kitty | September 11, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Does Princess Diana now speak from the heavens? I’m pretty sure that if she were alive today, she’d give the British media an earful for leaking the story of her son’s deployment. We need to remember that signing up for the military in America is the right of every individual – there is no draft.
Posted by: KC | September 11, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
WestCoastMessanger, welcome back we were missing you, please get over it, if McPalin will succeed, the will bring America upside down, you will not recongnize this place after four years of the same. Hillary knows that and she is fighting for Obama/Biden to win and get America back on track. God save America from McPalin.
Posted by: BKMC | September 11, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
I was glad to see that at least 1 person had the guts to say what everyone is thinking about palin. Matt Damon has a video on abcnews.com concerning palin and how disturbing it would be were she to step in as president. Way to go Matt!
Posted by: pt | September 11, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
Must be a cover-up. Good grief, what difference does it make whether it’s 9-11 or later in the month. He’s GOING and most of us will sit at home and watch hefty, young male football players playing with a a ball and going nowhere near Iraq. Why doesn’t this reporter get his butt over there to that third world hell hole and then he’ll have something to say about Sarah Palin and her family’s sacrifice. Sick of the liberal media. How biased can you get?
Posted by: Craig | September 11, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
On a day we remember 9/11 we have a person who is friends with, and working with a known Terrorist, running for President…Barrack Obama
Posted by: Country First | September 11, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
I wonder if Obama and William Ayers are planning to issue a joint statement about 9/11 today?
Posted by: Simon | September 11, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am
Just one of many of her lies…..Gads she don’t know what the truth is.
Posted by: indp voter | September 11, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
Just like Republican…Facts don’t matter…Just symbolism….
Posted by: indy_voter | September 11, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
stan said: “What difference does it really make if her son goes to Iraq today or later this month? Must be a slow news day.”
Hummm… Because you people are so easily manipulated by (the same, repetitive, teleprompted) little catch phrases followed by an audience’s roar of approval. You’re manipulated by symbols that don’t mean much. Heck! Some women even changed their eyewear this week, so as to look like a certain pitbull…
The fact that the fake deployment is taking place on a “glorious” 9/11 2008 (but then not really — read the fine print… they’re really getting deployed later) was a shrewd move by the McCain PR machine, stan. 9/11 more then a mere date in the calendar. It’s a symbol. On this day of mourning and utter patriotism, where seven years ago, America united under terror, the righteous son of the righteous freedom fightin’ pitbull, running mate of the righteuos ex-POW is going away to fight (an enemy that really wasn’t — even republicans mostly agree the war is a fraud; but that’s just a detail, right)…
America has considerably dumbed down since 2000, and as first nation in the world, it’s scary.
Has for me, I find completely strange that people, as was done in past centuries Europe (they know better now), are jumping for joy and celebrating the fact that their children are leaving for a dangerously hostile place “for the flag”. The fact that the possible brutal death of one’s child could be used by the parents for PR and political gain shows how twisted and primitive America really is.
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
“On this day of mourning and utter patriotism, where seven years ago, America united under terror,”
That’s pretty true. However, the democrats have broken away from that sense of urgency in fighting terrorism. It’s the repubs that are left to fight for this country.
(Oh, and 9/11 occurred in 2001, not 2000). How soon they forget.
Posted by: Don | September 11, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
Craig: Why don’t YOU go to Irak yourself? You’re so convinced that this holy war is right, get your owne butt over there then. Or send your kids and then host a party right before they leave, with lots of champagne and little flags around (make sure no one leaves the latter on your living room floor when they leave).
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
I’M VERRY SICK WHIT THIS WRITER , AND SOME OF THESE COMMENT.WHY DON’T WE TALK ABOUT TRUE & FAIR ,SOME ONE CAN BE GOOD FOR THIS COUNTRY , HER SON WILL BE IN IRAQ NOW, LATTER OR NEVER , IT STILL BETTER THAN YOU HAVE A BIG MOUTH ,TALK TOO MUCH DO NOT THING…ZIPPP YOUR MOUTH
Posted by: NgoCuong | September 11, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
She pimps her kids because A) She has no clue on any o the issues, B) She is a pig with lipstick!
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
Don,
I have family members and many friends that are democrats and have been in wars. Why do the repubs try to own patriotism?? I do think it is foolish for palin to use her kid politically and possibly put him in danger as well as his fellow troops. Even mccain is aware of this. It seems to me that the democrats are just smarter at fighting terrorism, and the repubs are smarter at getting people to talk about non-issues like “lipstick”. “Swiftboating” at its best. Obama/Biden 2008!!!
Posted by: pt | September 11, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Tim: American politics always involved pimping anything around you that can help your image, to bring in the idiot voters (read: the majority of the electorate) who vote on the color of the wife’s teeth and the intensity of her silent smile in the background.
That’s not the point; the Palin camp is using the possible brutal (and unnecessary) death of her child. Not the child’s silent smile in the background, but the fact that he’s agreed to get his arse into a fraudulous war, where America’s future is getting butchered for the cynicism of Washington robots who wanted to reap reconstruction contracts.
That’s… pathological at best. If I were a woman, I would never produce a human being from my body, to use it as a crash test dummy for political gain.
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
“It seems to me that the democrats are just smarter at fighting terrorism, and the repubs are smarter at getting people to talk about non-issues like “lipstick”. “Swiftboating” at its best”.
Meeting with terrorist leaders with no preconditions is not being “smarter”. Declaring our Iraq was a defeat and retreating is not “smarter”. Fighting every effort such as the Patriot Act is not “smarter”.
As far as “lipstick”, all you have to do is read Victoria’s deep thoughts above to prove that democrats don’t have anything.
As far as “Swiftboat”, it’s a shame that you belittle the words of virtually an entire company of soldiers who were actually there to make it sound like a McCarthyistic witchhunt. Shame on you.
Posted by: Don | September 11, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am
Don, if you cannot recognize sarcasm…well, you are a neocon so you likely cannot see your nose in front of your face!
If you or any of your neocon buddies think we are safer than we were seven years ago, you really are deluded! It is just a way you people want to control the masses with fear and obfuscation!
Democrats have been far more up front with their plans and ideas than the Geezer and Gidget. I may not agree with all their plans but I give them credit for actually presenting a plan, instead of tired rhetoric and personal slams!
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
http://watch.thecomedynetwork.ca/the-daily-show-with-jon-stewart/full-episodes/#clip89002
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Don,
I would expect no less from a rush-limbaugh listening repub like you. Intelligent people now know that swiftboating was as low as people go, and all the veterans I know agree with this. Kerry fought admirably for his country and was injured and yet people fell for the gutter tactics of carl rove. Why do you think “swiftboating” is such a derogatory word now? DAH….
Hopefully voters will outnumber idiots like you this election.
Posted by: pt | September 11, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
From:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/6lbfdv
Wednesday, September 10, 2008
Palinism: Politics as The Content-Free Violation of Expectation
What is Palinism?
What is it about?
What policies?
What ideas?
What positions?
Even in the Lincoln-Douglas debates, while no doubt many were motivated by regional partisanship, local prejudices, and “the measure” of the candidate, one suspects that at least a rough rendering of the issues–secession vs. Union, free vs. enslaved–was carried in and animated the crowds.
Now, it is pure reaction to pattern. To one impulse expectation violated by the provocation of another impulse, that feels–good.
We have reached the content-free phase of American politics.
A form, an image–glasses, hair, a voice, what it suggests–is enough. She could be speaking the words to the airport timetable, the swearing-in speech of Ferdinand Marcos, the ingredients of a box of Sizzlean– the image, the sound, and the gathering impulse, the bare stirring from dull lack of novelty–is sufficient to awaken the crowds to angry perturbence at…the stimulus to be perturbed, and the bare sense of actual directed action and purpose that comes with doing so.
Palin herself wears a glazed, slightly confused look in her eyes–what is it that has unleashed this roar, this approbation. Being used to herself, and having been among those who are well used to her, she is unaware of the novelty that her mere form releases in the dazed electorate, yearning for a pretext for expression. Soon, she’ll believe it herself.
And, after all, isn’t that what democracy is all about? The ability to choose to decide without knowledge? Better yet, to choose your knowledge, irrespective of fact, in correspondence with the liberating, confirmation-free impulse?
This is what today’s moment stands for.
These are our satisfactions and securities in this golden age.
Cite:
Head of State
http://tinyurl.com/6lbfdv
Posted by: Marie Stewart | September 11, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am
I have to give Matt Damon credit for having the balls to say what everyone is thinking about mccain’s “hockey-mom” from Alaska. You can watch the video on abcnews.com. It seems as though most people are afraid to say what they think because she’s a female. Way to go Matt!!!
Posted by: pt | September 11, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
A RESPONSIBLE MOTHER?
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By announcing to the world the VERY DATE that her son “Track” is deploying to the war in a Iraq, Gov. Palin has painted a big target on his chest.
Be careful what you say, Al Quaeda is watching….
At the very least WE NOW ALL KNOW Al Quaeda in Iraq has started plotting to kidnap Gov. Palin’s kid.
Thanks Gov!
The Country you put first thanks you for your willingness to unnecessarily put you son in harm’s way!
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Posted by: Al Quaeda for McCain/Palin '08 | September 11, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
“Swiftboating” is in no way a derogatory word among those who know the truth. Only bots trying to distance themselves trot out that tired canard. You may want to educate yourself by reading what the ACTUAL people there have to say. Otherwise, just continue to appear foolish. Doh.
http://www.swiftvets.com/swiftvetsandpows/
Posted by: Don | September 11, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
Don said :(Oh, and 9/11 occurred in 2001, not 2000). How soon they forget. ”
Isn’t that seven years ago, as I wrote? Unless that sarcasm was aimed at another poster… Not sure what you meant.
As for the repubs being abandoned in the fight: I completely disagree. You (the right-wing) fight in the simple, archaic, primitive sense: very flamboyantly, loudly, wrapping yourselves in the flag, etc…
The thing about the American empire is that it is probably the last place on Earth where being common, dumb, and traditional means being “true”, “real”, and consequently, “better fit for higher office”. America is probably the last place on Earth where the premier leader of the country will be criticized for being educated, levelheaded, measured, objective, open-minded. That’s elitism, right?
You guys seem to forget (or just probably are ignorant about the fact) that the empire experiment is faaaaar from being a new one. You are learning the hard way that managing an empire is a haaaard job!!! hahaha
Others, many others have preceded you in this, and they’ve learned. You keep banging on the same rusty nail with the same rusty hammer because the thought of getting a brand-new, more efficient hammer, and of switching to a clean new nail, is like an affront to the memory of the good ol’ forefathers. lol
“The surge worked”, said the oldman and his pitbull. Wrong. It’s been demonstrated that there are many explanations to the softening of the resistance in Irak.
But even if you had indeed won this softening by the strength of your boys, is that really victory? NOPE! hahaha
Killing all the psycho extremist islamists: thanks! Good riddance. But crushing, in the process, a people who was not a direct threat, destroying their country when there was no valid reason… You’ve just created a nation of millions of new anti-Americans.
Bravo! You’ve wiped out some sand-crazies who let their own kids blow there arses up for some “religious” cause (a lie). But by undermining diplomacy, so as to not insult the chauvinism of the good ol’ forefathers’ values, you’ve just ADDED to the menace on the homeland.
So, repubs are f***ing it up, NOT fixing it.
But why am I talking about Irak? You were discussing al-Qaeda… hahahahaha
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Why is Gov. Palin popular?
Gov. Palin’s arrival on the national scene is “EVENT NEWS”, just as Lady Di’s car crash was “EVENT NEWS”, just as the O.J. Simpson trial was “EVENT NEWS”.
Her appearance on the national stage is so surprising, so unexpected, so SHOCKING, so contrary to the usual flow of NEWS that America and media are RIVETED.
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Her appeal is NOT based on her politics. IT cannot be…no one has yet had a chance to ask her what her views on various issues are, and her current “MEDIA PERSONA” bears little if any relation to her activities as Gov. of Alaska.
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Time will tell if this SHOCK & AWE method will work over the long-run.
Will Americans vote for a politician they in fact know nothing about?
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | September 11, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Marie Stewart: the best post yet. Bravo!
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am
Marie Stewart: the best post yet. Bravo!
Posted by: Oeilsevere | Sep 11, 2008 10:53:28 AM
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I’ll second that;-)
Posted by: niccolo m@cchiavelli | September 11, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
niccolo : You have a great username! Watch how people will actually think it’s your name… hahaha
Those who’ll get it will probably call you elitist. Quick! Grab a beer and go shoot some moose! Than chant: “USA!USA!USA!”
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
don,
Swiftboating is American political jargon that is used as a strong pejorative description of some kind of attack that the speaker considers unfair or untrue—for example, an ad hominem attack or a smear campaign. Most accurately, it refers to the repudiation of a politician’s personal history by people who were present as that history was made.
The term comes from the Swift Vets and POWs for Truth, formerly “Swift Boat Veterans for Truth”, (SBVT), and that group’s widely publicized[1] campaign against 2004 Presidential candidate John Kerry.[2]
Again the rush-limbaugh listening don sticks his foot in his mouth…
Posted by: pt | September 11, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Rather than attempting to degrade the comments of a parent whose son will probably serve in Iraq or Afghanistan, perhaps ABC News would be better served to commend and honor the sacrifice of our men and women in the armed forces.
Or, perhaps, ABC News could have stuck to articles and comments that remember and reflect on the sacrifices of those who died in and as a result of the attacks of 9/11.
As for the sleazy comments of disrespect and degradation posted by the Obamabots…exactly what the rest of us expected…
After all, the Obambot posters have to get in their time to get paid…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
Okay, the National Enquirer obviously is dismissing McCain’s threats of legal action, because they just followed their allegation of Palin adultry with new allegations.
According the Enquirer, son Track is a thieving oxycontin addict, and daughter Bristol was the class sex toy.
Sounds like the tabloid is calling McCain’s bluff. So how about it McCain? Are we going to see a lawsuit?
The Republicans say the media is on a witch hunt. The media responds the Enquirer isn’t part of their club. The Enquirer says they are just doing the vetting McCain never did.
Where does the truth lie in all this? Who knows? Maybe in a courtroom we’d see what’s what.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Besides, if McCain is all bluster and no action, what does that say about his qualifications to be president?
You threatened the lawsuit. Now you have to go through with it.
Actually, thinking about it, I’d prefer if McCain, assuming he wins the election, didn’t follow through on his bluster. But the bluster alone is damaging, and the lack of follow through would damage U.S. credibility.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
Marie: “What policies? What ideas? What positions?”
Marie, asking those kinds of questions about Sarah Palin is simply flagrant sexism. She’s a woman and a mother. That’s all we need to know. Probing into her political views is out of bounds.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Excellent points! Just as timely and pertinent today as when you made them regarding Joe Biden’s comments regarding his son.
Oh, wait a minute, you missed that one… How shocking…
Posted by: TexasLouie | September 11, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
So, now, according to Obamabots, we are supposed to take the National Enquirer as a credible source of information?
Right…
The National Enquirer and Obama…
Change you can believe in…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am
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niccolio, haven’t you caught the bus to the border yet? Only morons and idiots don’t “know” Sarah Palin. All it takes is a few mouse clicks to Alaska. No, not the fruitcake site dailykos.
There you will see Palin, pictures of her shooting, hunting, and fishing. Ya know, like normal Americans. Not like those of you holed up in your apartments hiding under your bed, scared of BUSSSSHHHHHHH.
Palin is a breath of fresh air, not like Hairplug Joe gasping for breath. She will bring about CHHHHANNNNGE in Washington, not like a 66 yr. senator mired in liberal voting.
But, at least Joe DID VOTE. He never voted “PRESENT” 140 times.
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 11, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Jayhawk: “So, now, according to Obamabots, we are supposed to take the National Enquirer as a credible source of information?”
Not at all. Its a tabloid that frequently tells us Elvis lives on Mars.
The question isn’t whether we take the Enquirer as a credible source of information. Its whether we take McCain as a credible source of information.
He threatened legal action. The Enquirer seems to be dismissing the threat. So let’s see the McCain follow-through.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
she was using 9/11 for political purposes, standard republican tactic. also, she is now all but assured that her son will likely not see significant combat as he will be a safety risk to his entire unit.
Posted by: Danny | September 11, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
Regarding Obama and Biden votes…
Two of the three most liberal, left-wing members of the Senate…
Both Obama and Old Joe Biden voted to fund the “Bridge to Nowhere” before Governor Sarah Palin decided she couldn’t support the project.
In other words, there would not have been a decision to be made to seek or not seek funding if politicians like Obama and Biden had not provided the funds in the first place.
Puts the issue in proper perspective…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
“She will bring about CHHHHANNNNGE in Washington”
Yeah…Hitler brought about change,too!
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am
Or, Jayhawk, was that just another example of kneejerk McCain hotheadedness?
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
Sarah “Serial Liar” Palin – good fit for the Republican Party.
Posted by: caliguy55 | September 11, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Jayhawk: “Puts the issue in proper perspective…”
Please, anything but. These funding bills are huge, with money for all sorts of things. If you vote against one of them, you vote against them all. (And then the Republicans make commercials about how Democrats voted against bridge improvements in Minnesota, or something like that).
The bottom line is Palin was for the bridge to nowhere when that seemed the politically expedient position to have, and then later against it for the same reasons.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
Well, Paul,
I’m sure your demands will weigh heavily on John McCain’s legal decisions regarding the National Enquirer…
Perhaps your energies would be better served investigating Obama’s ability to discern sexism from politics…
Desperation…
Obama-style…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
I guess the Enquirer is our official national paper. If not now it would be if Obama gets your vote.
Posted by: dadminnesota | September 11, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
niccolo: TOLDYA!! HAHAHAHAHA Thank you LarryMan. You’re the best, we love you.
Illiterate cowboys are the BEST! The best way to spice up the day with comedy.
And he even spelled it niccolio, to further illustrate the dumb-ass cowboy touch.
Yayks. The US is on its way dooooooown…!!!! Unfortunately for the rest of us in the Western world.
LarryMan: niccolo is probably not foreign. His name is probably Larry Johnson. His username is a reference to a classic political essay, written 495 years ago and still studied in ALL higher political science academic institutions. You know, UNIVERSITY? That place your family kept you away from to make sure you never became an elitist and stayed a NORMAL, true American?
Now hush up, get yourself a horse-pea beer (Coors, Bud, etc) and go out and shoot at something. Preferably your own arse.
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
John McCain…he will lead our country right into the 19th century.
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Oeilsevere…well done!!
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
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Paul, no one can be as dumb as you, can they?
Palin was, uh, guvner of Alaska, not BF Egypt. Her job was to promote Alaska, do what was best for the State, bring in money for Alaska. Ya know, kinda like KKK Byrd does when he has all those buildings and bridges named after him. Therefore, when the “bridge” was going to benefit them, she should have been trying to promote it. When it became a boon doggle, she stopped it.
Smart? Not to a liberal. Their brains are full of OBiden mush.
Get some help, please.
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 11, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Paul,
Throughout the primary, we all witnessed the Obama positions flip-flop at will…
Obama and his bots called is “revising a position.”
But, when Sarah Palin investigates a project and decides against it, Obama and his bots call it political…
Desperate partisan politics…
Obama-style…
By the way, Paul…
How are things in Nebraska?
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Oeilsevere?
Sounds like the Gnat is back…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
LarryMan…please don’t try to impress us with that 5th grade education you are so proud of!
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
C’mon, Victoria,
You can do better than simple, desperate one-liners…
Impress with YOUR education…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am
Jayhawk…flip flop?? McSame might have possibly been called a maverick years ago but he has flip flopped on everything because it is political career, not country first with Gramps! You really need to get your news from somewhere besides your subscription for Highlights for Children!
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am
Jayhawk: “I’m sure your demands will weigh heavily on John McCain’s legal decisions regarding the National Enquirer…”
You can try to turn this on me, but the bottom line is your guy hasn’t yet backed up his bluster. That’s kinda embarrassing – for him and his supporters.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
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olioserve, you and your sister Victoria need to stop meeting like this. People will talk.
I was in college before you were a wet dream for your mommy and daddy. So don’t tell me about university liberals.
Posted by: LarryMan | September 11, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Larry: “Palin was, uh, guvner of Alaska, not BF Egypt. Her job was to promote Alaska, do what was best for the State, bring in money for Alaska.”
Um, so this is a Republican telling us the job of a governor is to bring in as much federal money as possible? Interesting.
But, Larry, what you seem to be missing is that it sounds hypocritical to campaign against earmarks when even as a mayor of a town of 7,000 or so you hire a lobbyist to get you earmarks.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am
Jayhawk: “You can do better than simple, desperate one-liners…”
And this from a McCain supporter? Oh man, that’s too funny.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Or, we could get our news, as Victoria does, from the National Enquirer…
Obama has flip-flopped positions at will, as we all know…
And, he will continue to do so as deemed necessary for political advantage…
Or, in desperation, as the polls continue to favor McCain/Palin…
But, then, that is the Obama/Biden mantra…
Change…
Flip-flop…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
There you will see Palin, pictures of her shooting, hunting, and fishing. Ya know, like normal Americans.
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Of course like normal americans she’ll have to shoot someone like Cheney did.
Posted by: ? | September 11, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Victoria, the McCain supporters criticizing anyone for overly simplistic one-liners is a laugh, but you might have picked up on the bigger one – McCain supporters pointing the flip-flop finger anywhere but at their own candidate.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm
Jayhawk: “Or, we could get our news, as Victoria does, from the National Enquirer…”
Actually, Jayhawk, it seems the only one referenced in this conversation who even pays attention to what the Enquirer writes is John McCain.
No one would have commented on it, if he hadn’t gotten all hot and blustery, and threatened to sue them back to the stoneage.
But that kind of fits. McCain is obsessed with celebrity, like the Enquirer. In a lot of ways, McCain and the Enquirer are a perfect fit.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
Wrong again, Paul,
A few years back, I was in a legal battle…
We didn’t file charges in court until about 7 months after the incident had actually taken place…
Should John McCain decide on legal action, I am sure that his legal advisors will make the legal decisions…
And, they will do so in their own timeframe according to the most legally advantageous method…or not…
Again, the demands of Obamabots will not be considered…
Among the Obamabots, the desperation grows…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
Jayhawk: “By the way, Paul… How are things in Nebraska?”
Sorry, try to answer all direct questions, but my answer to that one is I don’t know. I’m not in Nebraska, but I drove through the state once.
There’s someone else who comes here from time to time named Paul. Its been kind of a grudge match to see which will break down and add a last initial first.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm
And, Paul…
Just how are things in Nebraska?
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Jayhawk: “Should John McCain decide on legal action, I am sure that his legal advisors will make the legal decisions…”
Fair enough. But then why all the kneejerk, hotheaded bluster? If McCain is threatening to do something he won’t even decide himself, that’s doesn’t speak well for him.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Jayhawk: “Again, the demands of Obamabots will not be considered… Among the Obamabots, the desperation grows…”
Lol, if Obama supporters are desperate, why are the McCain supporters usually the first to start name calling?
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
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Paul, Obammy was a celebrity, a true “community organ grinder” back when democrats were trashing Hitlery. Now when it becomes time to make decisions, he says “PRESENT’.
Now Obammy has been Outcelebritied and he can’t stand it. Palin is the true fresh face in the campaign. Obammy is old news.
Palin Panic has set in and the only cure is to have Hairplug Joe get cancer, drop out. Or, for him to be Vince Fostered.
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 11, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
I am glad she mentioned it. It makes her even more real. I want to know that politicians do make sacrifices too.
I hate to see media trying to find negative in any inspiring story coming from Palin family. Stop it ..before people turn on YOU!
Posted by: Frieda | September 11, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm
“There you will see Palin, pictures of her shooting, hunting, and fishing. Ya know, like normal Americans.”
Do normal Americans sing “bomb bomb Iran?”
And what is this Republican penchant for wanting a president who is as ignorant and average as the common man or woman? Don’t we want our chief executive to be above average?
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm
LarryMan – if you had been paying attention, McCain has been obsessed with celebrity long before any of us even heard about Obama.
And in some ways, he himself was a political celebrity, with a fawning media. And also with plenty of opportunities for cheating on spouses, which as he himself admits, he rarely passed up.
And this is the guy the evangelicals now want to champion?
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm
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Paul, Paul, Paul, we send you to websites and send you to websites and all you do is look at the dirty pictures. Shame on you.
Palin is AMERICAN, not like you New Jersyites and La La Landers sipping your mocas. The rest of the country HAS a 2nd Amendment and actually enjoy our Constitution, not try to change it. Therefore, we LIKE our Senators and Representatives who support our rights.
Try to think like someone who has a brain, enjoys a brain, and USES a brain.
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 11, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm
LarryMan: “Paul, Paul, Paul, we send you to websites and send you to websites and all you do is look at the dirty pictures. Shame on you.”
Uh, hmmm, been hitting the sauce early today? I don’t recall you ever sending me to a website.
Well, I guess it takes a little delusional thinking to be a proud McCain supporter.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
Paul. Don’t talk above Average folks. I worked with Harvard kids and Boy they are way from reality. They can read hundred books and counter your argument but cannot factor in realities and emotions on the street. They even do not realize they are talking to Average guys and they live in their own world. They can write books and do research without putting dust on their shoes or getting scratch.
Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Just as with any executive decision from someone with experience in that area, careful consideration should be pursued with experts in the field before a decision is made.
Although I can’t speak for him personally (nor should anyone, for that matter), John McCain will most likely make the final decision after all the avenues of opportunity are presented for his consideration…
Legal action against the Enquirer may be one of them…or not…
After all, it’s not like John McCain made an ill-advised remark about cosmetics and pork…
But, with about $1,000,000.00 pork requests per day of his unfinished Senate term, Obama may just be a pork expert…
Or, maybe a little lipstick would improve the Obama downward trend in the polls…or not…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Larry: “Palin is AMERICAN, not like you New Jersyites and La La Landers sipping your mocas. The rest of the country HAS a 2nd Amendment and actually enjoy our Constitution, not try to change it.”
Now let’s address the second part of this delusional post.
I’m not from Jersey. I don’t have any problem with Jersey, but simply stating the fact I’m not from there.
And are you serious about McCain supporters not wanting to change the Constitution? Um, okay (scratches head). So all the amendments Republicans want to add about gay marriage and outlawing abortion… you do realize those would be constitutional changes, right?
McCain himself says he supports an amendment making abortion illegal. Not saying that would be a good thing or bad thing – just pointing out this would be by definition a change to the Constitution.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
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Get some help, Paul. Have your mommy read to you.
No, wait. When Obammy is elected you will be able to finish elementary school and it won’t cost you a thing. It will cost me thousands of dollars, but you, nothing.
I didn’t send you to a website? I must have been “Obatyomized”.
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 11, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Obama is ignorant and not even up to a common man. A common man makes more sense.
Posted by: dadminnesota | September 11, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Tim: “Paul. Don’t talk above Average folks. I worked with Harvard kids and Boy they are way from reality. They can read hundred books and counter your argument but cannot factor in realities and emotions on the street.”
So just for the record, Tim, you’re saying you want the president to be average, so he or she can factor in street emotions – and you don’t care whether the president is someone who has read books.
Not saying your approach is right or wrong, but I think we’re honing in on one of the foundation-level differences in party perspectives.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
And, then there are those of us who “cling to our guns and religion…”
Yep, I would be one of those…
Or, how about the “bitter” folks of Pennsylvania and Ohio who rejected Obama in the primaries…
Then, there are the folks like John McCain and Sarah Palin who have actually served in the military or have children getting ready to do so…
Has anyone related to Obama or his wife ever served even one day in our military?
Just curious…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
Exactly, I want person who can be connected with people. Person who do continuous service to people.
Books are for scientists, Techies and Politics is all about people.
Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Jayhawk: “After all, it’s not like John McCain made an ill-advised remark about cosmetics and pork…”
Sorry. I listened to the tape. Obama was talking about McCain’s economic policies being the same as Bush’s when he said, “You can put lipstick on a pig, but its still a pig.”
McCain was the only person referenced by name, but the Bush reference was clear by context. It wasn’t about Palin.
It seems like yet another example of Republican faux indignation, and yet another attempt to distract people from noticing your candidate for president is a hothead who is prone to making kneejerk, damaging statements.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Thank you Victoria!
Jayhawk: what’s Gnat?
LarryDude: You were in college? Sure doesn’t show. And your angry attacks and simplistic, puerile plays on words (community organ grinder, Hitlery)… hahahaha You’re a TODDLER man! hahahahahahahahahahahaha
“Jayhawk: “You can do better than simple, desperate one-liners…”
And this from a McCain supporter? Oh man, that’s too funny.”
Well done too Paul !! lol
Denial: the GOP’s mastery. It’s like when a GOP is using Biden’s age to dis him… REALLY?!!! hahahahaha
Inbred illiterate cowboys. The BEST I say!!
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm
Jayhawk: “Has anyone related to Obama or his wife ever served even one day in our military? Just curious…”
Yep, I think so. Remember the liberating Auschwitz remark you guys loved to call an Obama “lie” because it was actually Buchenwald, or something like that.
And I notice for Palin’s sake you referenced children about to serve, and failed to note that Biden is in the same parental position.
I’ve served… how about you?
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
Paul, everyone does not have laptop or PC. There are ones who have lost homes in forclosures, are blue collar jobs who are making day to day living. They do not understand these blogs and smartness. Do you think Obama is communicating with these people?
Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Tim: “Books are for scientists, Techies and Politics is all about people.”
Huh. I wonder if you are speaking for many Republicans there, in your view that books aren’t for everyone.
I’d rather have a president who has read a lot of books, but that’s just me.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm
Tim: “Paul, everyone does not have laptop or PC. There are ones who have lost homes in forclosures, are blue collar jobs who are making day to day living. They do not understand these blogs and smartness. Do you think Obama is communicating with these people?”
So, Tim, are you saying that Obama is only campaigning via the internet? And to the best of my knowledge, he’s never posted on these blogs. His supporters do, as do McCain’s… which is kinda how you and I came to have this conversation.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
What do you mean by Obama supporter they are paid campaigned staff?
Posted by: Tim | September 11, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
Well, Paul,
The indignation of the McCain campaign on Obama’s remarks comparing Sarah Palin to a pig is quite clear, and, I believe their position is warranted…
Obama even had to make an appearance on Letterman last night to explain what he said, not what he meant, or something like that…
Amazing that a similar type of behavior was considered acceptable when Obama threw the race card at will at the Clintons during the primary…
Now, when the sex card is thrown out at Obama’s outrageous remarks, the goal posts get moved by Axelrod and Obama…
By the way, I didn’t listen to a tape, but I did watch Obama making the speech where he referred to lipstick on a pig…
Obama had the same expression and tone usually associated with a comedian making a one-liner at a comedy club…
The only problem is that a lot of people didn’t laugh, and a majority of Americans, as evidenced in the continuing Obama slip in the polls, didn’t find his attempts at humor to be funny…at all…
A significant number of voters I talk to found the Obama gaffe to be disrespectful, desperate, hateful, and vitriolic…more resembling the diatribe of Jeremiah Wright than a man or Presidential caliber…
Were I a man running for President of the United States, I don’t believe I would be spending time making glib remarks about the Vice-Presidential candidate of the opposition…
According to comments I recently heard on ABC, Obama would be better served by concentrating his efforts towards the Presidential opposition, letting Old Joe Biden handle his own business…
And, I must agree…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
Hey – check out this video. The language is Swedish, but it shows McCain’s arrival from Vietnam. You can hear his name clearly and see him limping. I think you have to cut and paste it…
http://svt.se/svt/play/video.jsp?a=1243728
Posted by: GoUSA247 | September 11, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Tim: “What do you mean by Obama supporter they are paid campaigned staff?”
Please, Tim, try to figure this stuff out on your own. Have you ever seen any of these message boards ever convince anyone to switch his or her vote?
There’s no staffers here, because there’s nothing to be gained here. And both the McCain and Obama campaigns are smart enough to understand that.
This is simply for the entertainment of us junkies. If you think you’re actually helping your candidate, or that anyone is helping or hurting their candidate with their posts here, well, I’ve got a bridge to nowhere to sell you.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
McCain’s thirst for spotlight started when he was a POW, interviewed by a French camera crew and journalist (François Chalais)…
Liberty fries… hahahahahahaha
Now THAT was a true cowboy moment. We were all rolling on the FLOOR!! Liberty fries… hahaha
I’m sure places like Baton Rouge, Des Moines, Detroit, Juneau, Delaware, Illinois, LaFayette, Bel Air, Cadillac, Beaumont or Fond du Lac, Wisconsin (where the lipsticked pitbull and limpin’ granpa recently spoke) should change their French names too.
hahahahaha inbred cowboys.
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
Jayhawk: “Amazing that a similar type of behavior was considered acceptable when Obama threw the race card at will at the Clintons during the primary…
Now, when the sex card is thrown out at Obama’s outrageous remarks, the goal posts get moved by Axelrod and Obama…”
A couple small corrections. First, it wasn’t Obama who was criticizing Bill Clinton’s remarks during the primaries, but African-American voters and then the media.
Second, Obama’s remarks weren’t outrageous, and clearly had nothing to do with Palin.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Paul, the question was: “Has anyone related to Obama or his wife ever served even one day in our military? Just curious…”
You sidestepped, but you didn’t answer the question…
As for me…No, I have not served in the military, although several members of my family have…one even paid with the supreme sacrifice in World War II…
While I had my draft card and was ready to go, Viet Nam was just ending as I became eligible, and I chose to work in the private sector rather than the government.
However, I was fortunate that men like John McCain chose to serve their country with honor and make great sacrifices so that I did not…
I appreciate the service and sacrifice of all our veterans, especially those who were unfortunate enough to suffer capture and/or injury, such as John McCain…
As for Joe Biden, I seem to recall him starting his tenure in the U.S. Senate while John McCain was a POW in Hanoi…
By the way, thank you for your service, Paul.
How about you?
Have you thanked John McCain?
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
And, how about that Oeilsevere/Gnat…
Some things just don’t improve with new names…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
Jayhawk: “Paul, the question was: “Has anyone related to Obama or his wife ever served even one day in our military? Just curious… You sidestepped, but you didn’t answer the question…”
You might want to read what I said one more time. I didn’t sidestep the question; I referenced the flap over the statement about his grandfather in WW II, which I was assuming you would be able to see as an answer that, yes, his grandfather served.
As for Michelle’s family, I don’t know.
And as to your question as to whether I thanked John McCain, no, not personally. And if I met him I probably wouldn’t, either. Vets don’t do that to one another.
Truth be told, most Marines I know, both from my time in the Marines and from my current civilian position with the Marines, don’t really like when others try to do it. There’s something about it that doesn’t sound real.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Though, Jayhawk, I didn’t mean to imply you weren’t being sincere with that “thanks.” If it came across that way, I apologize.
Its just that it seems a little awkward, especially in person, to have someone stand up in public and make a point of saying “thank you.” Less so in a one-on-one conversation.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
Well, Paul, your reference was vague, at best, but such is not an exception from Obama supporters…
“I don’t know” would have sufficed…
For my part, I make it a point to thank service men and women regularly as I appreciate their service and sacrifice…
That includes several Marines who served in Viet Nam and the Gulf Wars…
And, I don’t recall ever witnessing any of them being uncomfortable when I thanked them for what they had done for me and this country…
With a few, I did notice a tear…
Several told me that no one had ever taken the time to say “thank you” and that they appreciated the gesture…
By the way, Paul, I am curious…
Which conflict did you serve in?
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
My thanks was sincere as are the intent of my comments…
But, it’s time to get busy as this does not pay the bills…
And, as always…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Jayhawk – the Gulf War, as in the first one – Desert Storm.
Your comment about how some of them told you no one had ever thanked them for service before doesn’t sound credible. Maybe where you are things are different, but here in Virginia we can’t get away from it.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
Jayhawak: So Gnat was a poster… hahahahahahahahahaahaha
On every blog, there’s a paranoid cretin who, for lack of intelligent argument, suspects a poster of changing their name… Why the f… would I need to change my username to remind inbred gun-totin’ cowboys that they’re inbred and gun-totin’… hahahaha
If you want, I’ve got pills for that. Just send me your address.
Oh, and I allow you to request a check-up of my IP address, if you can compare it with that of that Gnat fellow, go ahead. In case it reduces your cheeseburger-induced psychosis.
hahahahahahahaha
Inbred cowboys.
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
What an interesting conversation in this blog. We are remembering a very historical date 9/11 and the Republican candidate for Vice President feels it is better to be in Alaska giving campaign speeches instead of providing words of comfort to hurting men, women, and children. Governor Palin knew very clearly that the National Guard was not due to be deployed today. She has a staff that is required to keep her informed of these important dates. Did not the Republican platform state “Country First.” I am truly disappointed in Governor Palin for not comforting the people of the lower 48 states. I forget that Alaskans first and United States citizen second. Who represent being elite now? I will be attending a prayer service for the lost souls of 9/11 and the military families of Iraq and Afghanistan. I guess when you are a celebrity it is me first and country second.
Posted by: wrb56in29 | September 11, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Lets see I put the plane on E-Bay, true but only half story, now its her son is being deployed to Iraq on 9/11, again half truth only has ceromony today not leaving Alaska for a week or so. Its amazing how many half truths this lady is putting out. Half a story sort of the full truth is as bad as lying to begin with.
Posted by: Polarbearkiller | September 11, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
wrb: “We are remembering a very historical date 9/11 and the Republican candidate for Vice President feels it is better to be in Alaska…”
As an Obama supporter, I really don’t see your point. Are you saying the families of 9-11 victims would feel better if Sarah Palin was in a different state than Alaska right now?
Criticize her for saying she’s against earmarks when she did everything she could to get them, criticize her for the actions that led to this current ethics investigation, criticize her for attending a secessionist party’s convention (twice)… but I don’t see any reason to criticize her for campaign travel choices.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Mccain used the lines lipstick on a pig three times before Obama used the line, yet we get such indgination out of the hypocrite ridden GOP for a line their own guy uses what a crock of crapola.
Posted by: Polarbearkiller | September 11, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Polarbearkiller – Obama used that saying before, too. But the Republicans will remain convinced that Obama was calling Palin a pig, because that fits their imagined narrative better.
I’m starting to think maybe Republicans aren’t liars. Maybe they are just delusional.
I mean, usually liars stop when they get caught. Not these guys. They just keep repeating the same stuff about Obama and taxes, Obama and pigs, Obama and energy policies, Obama and foreign policies… on and on, no matter how many times their Republican talking points fail the fact-checking tests.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
I do have a question for McCain supporters about those National Enquirer allegations.
Now, we all acknowledge the Enquirer is a rag, devoted to proving the existence of Bigfoot and space invaders.
But if their allegations were true about the Palins – mom as an adulteress, son as a theiving oxycontin addict, and daughter as the school sex toy – were correct, would that change your political support?
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Paul “But if their allegations were true about the Palins – mom as an adulteress, son as a theiving oxycontin addict, and daughter as the school sex toy – were correct, would that change your political support?”
They wouldn’t believe these to be true even if you showed them a video of the allegations being committed!
The McCains and Palins are pathological liars who possibly are no longer even aware of their “tall tales.”
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
Jayhawk: “You can do better than simple, desperate one-liners…”
I most certainly could but I must confine my comments to words that have less than three syllables. Otherwise, the moronic cretins, such as yourself will be unable to comprehend my message!
So, tell us all, cretins, how does Palin have Foreign policy experience because Alaska is such close proximity to Russia?
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Wasilla High School – one of the highest dropout rates in the United States!
http://www.ktuu.com/global/story.asp?s=7289165
Posted by: Victoria | September 11, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Well, Paul,
Most would admit that the treatment of veterans who served in Viet Nam was much different than for those of other wars…
If you don’t think it credible that some veterans never get a personal “thank-you,” perhaps you need to talk to a few of the Viet Nam veterans that were spit on as they disembarked at airports and called “baby killers.”
By the way, one of my sons-in-law is a veteran of Desert Storm. He grew up in Florida. I just called to ask him if anyone had ever thanked him for doing his service. He said, “No, Dad, no one but you.”
Then, I called another son-in-law from West Virginia and asked him the same question. Funny. The answer was the same.
Questioning credibility is probably a task better left for those examining the Obama/Biden ticket…
When credibility is the question, just concentrate on Obama supporter Bill Ayers…or, perhaps Bernadine Dohrn…or, take your choice from the long list of Syrian nationalist connections…
I am sure they all spent a lot of time thanking veterans…between bombings…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Let’s see…Oeilsevere…Gnat…whatever you are…
You must be taking a few too many of your “pills.”
You exhibit lack of vocabulary by posting in four letter expletives, but you can’t even show enough fortitude to actually post the word…
Show some courage, woman, and say what you say without hiding…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
More 24/7 palin news visit a blog called “we love Gov. Sarah Barracuda Palin at
http://www.governorpalin.blogspot.com
Posted by: john | September 11, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Cretin?
This is for Victor/Victoria, who seems to have watched one too many MASH reruns…
“The risk John McCain took in choosing Sarah Palin is comparable to the 72-year-old ex-fighter pilot knocking back two shots and flying his A-4 under the Golden Gate Bridge.
McCain’s choice of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin to be his co-pilot was the biggest gamble in presidential history.
As of now, it is paying off, big-time.
The sensational selection in Dayton, Ohio, stepped all over the big story from Denver – Obama’s powerful address to 85,000 cheering folks in Mile High Stadium, and 35 million nationally, a speech that vaulted him from a 2-point deficit early in the week to an 8-point margin.
Obama had never before reached 49 percent against McCain.
As the Democrats were being rudely stepped on, however, Palin ignited an explosion of enthusiasm among conservatives, evangelicals, traditional Catholics, gun owners and right to lifers not seen in decades.
By passing over his friends Joe Lieberman and Tom Ridge, and picking Palin, McCain has given himself a fighting chance of winning the White House that, before Friday morning, seemed to be slipping away.
Indeed, the bristling reaction on the left testifies to Democrat fears that the choice of Palin could indeed be a game-changer in 2008.
Liberals howl that Palin has no experience, no qualifications to be president of the United States.
But the lady has more executive experience than McCain, Joe Biden and Obama put together.
None of them has ever started or run a business as Palin did.
None of them has run a giant state like Alaska, which is larger than California and Texas put together.
And though Alaska is not populous, Gov. Palin has as many constituents as Nancy Pelosi or Joe Biden.
She has no foreign policy experience, we are told.
And though Alaska’s neighbors are Canada and Russia, the point is valid.
But from the day she takes office, Palin will get daily briefings and sit on the National Security Council with the president and secretaries of state, treasury and defense.
She will be up to speed in her first year.
And her experience as governor of Alaska, dealing with the oil industry and pipeline agreements with Canada, certainly compares favorably with that of Barack Obama, a community organizer who dealt in the mommy issues of food stamps and rent subsidies.
Where Obama has poodled along with the Daley Machine, Palin routed the Republican establishment, challenging and ousting a sitting GOP governor before defeating a former Democratic governor to become the first female and youngest governor in state history.
For his boldness in choosing Palin, McCain deserves enormous credit.
He has made an extraordinary gesture to conservatives and the party base, offering his old antagonists a partner’s share in his presidency.
And his decision is likely to be rewarded with a massive and enthusiastic turnout for the McCain-Palin ticket.
Rarely has there been such an outburst of enthusiasm on the right.
In choosing Palin, McCain may also have changed the course of history as much as Ike did with his choice of Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan did with his choice of George H.W. Bush.
For should this ticket win, Palin will eclipse every other Republican as heir apparent to the presidency and will have her own power base among lifers, evangelicals, gun folks and conservatives – wholly independent of President McCain.
A traditional conservative on social issues, Palin has become, overnight, the most priceless political asset the movement has.
Look for the neocons to move with all deliberate speed to take her into their camp by pressing upon her advisers and staff, and steering her into the AEI-Weekly Standard-War Party orbit.
Indeed, if McCain defeats Obama, 2012 could see women on both national tickets, given McCain’s age and the possibility he intends to serve a single term, women at the top of both – Sarah vs. Hillary.
The arrival of Palin on the national scene, with her youth, charisma and vitality, probably also portends a changing of the guard in Washington.
With Republicans having zero chance of capturing either House, and but a slim chance of avoiding losses in both, a Vice President Palin, with her reputation as a rebel and reformer, would surely inspire similar revolts in the Republican caucuses.
As Thomas Jefferson said, from time to time, a little rebellion in the political world is as necessary as storms in the physical.
The Palin nomination could backfire, but it is hard to see how.
She has passed her first test, her introduction to the nation, with wit and grace.
And the Obama-Biden ticket, having already alienated millions of women with the disrespecting of Hillary, is unlikely to start attacking another woman whose sole offense is that she had just been given the chance to break the glass ceiling at the national level.
Her nomination, which will bring the Republican right home, also frees up McCain to appeal to moderates and liberals, which has long been his stock in trade.
With his selection of Sarah Palin, John McCain has not only shaken up this election, he may have helped shape the future of the United States – and much for the better.”
And…
As always…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Today, a bumper sticker from the DemocRATS came in the mail pleading for a donation…
They got a donation all right…
I took their postage paid label and used it to send a box of rocks back to them…
The gift that keeps on giving…
Good use of the donations all of the hard working Obamabots are sending in…
Who knows?
Maybe the rocks can be used for landscaping at the Obama/Rezko estate…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Jayhawk: “If you don’t think it credible that some veterans never get a personal “thank-you,” perhaps you need to talk to a few of the Viet Nam veterans that were spit on as they disembarked at airports and called ‘baby killers.’”
Jayhawk, you’re talking about almost half a century ago. Yeah, the Vietnam vets got the short end of the stick in a lot of ways, but that was a long time ago.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Well, that goes back to your comment about credibility, Paul…
“Your comment about how some of them told you no one had ever thanked them for service before doesn’t sound credible. Maybe where you are things are different, but here in Virginia we can’t get away from it.”
The fact is that my statement was credible and true, contrary to what you posted.
For my part, I don’t care if it was WWI, WWII, Korea, Viet Nam, or the Civil War, whatever…
Service defending our country and the respect that should be paid is not limited to the present period of time, unless that is what you infer…
I would hope not…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
And, in reference to credibility…
I posted this on another blog, but it is just too good to not share it…
Even with Obamabots…
From the Boston Herald:
“Let’s start with the obvious and inarguable: Of course Sen. Barack Obama’s comment about “lipstick on a pig” was a reference to Supergirl Sarah Palin.
You know it, I know it and the partisan crowd that literally rose to their feet and cheered when they heard it know it.
And it’s nothing new. Democrats shot the lipstick line at Gov. Palin on their official Web site last week with a posting entitled “McCain’s Selection of Palin is Lipstick on a Pig” – accompanied by what I’m sure was intended to be a flattering photo of the Alaska outdoorswoman.
And – coincidence or something more? – the same day Obama made his crack, a Democratic congressman introducing Joe Biden said of Sarah Palin, “There’s no way you can dress up her record, even with a lot of lipstick.”
If there was anyone in the audience still too dense to get it – say, an employee of CNN, perhaps – Obama immediately followed up with a reference to the McCain/Palin campaign wrapping “an old fish in a piece of paper called ‘change.’ ”
A lipstick-wearing pig and an old fish? Gee, who could he possibly be talking about?
So please, my Obama-supporting friends, let’s stop the nonsense about how Obama’s lipstick talk was, as he put it yesterday, an “innocent comment,” or that the reaction is “phony outrage.”
You want phony outrage? Flashback to Hillary Clinton’s “3 a.m.” ad. Remember it? The helpless children asleep in bed, the insistent ringing of the phone, etc., etc. And some Obama supporters immediately cried “racism” because, they claimed, the ad played on white fears of black home invaders.
Or, even more laughable, that the first three letters of the word “night” in the kid’s “Goodnight Moon” pajamas were highlighted for nefarious purposes.
Now that was phony. What has happened to Sarah Palin in the past 10 days is, for many women, far too real. And for whatever reason, on Tuesday Obama chose to personally join in the, ahem, “fun.”
I say this as someone who is by nature an eye-roller when it comes to charges of sexism and racism. I tend to greet these accusations with a Freudian reminder that “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”
But this time, the overt sexism towers like a Berlin pillar over an Obama campaign speech.
Smart people are asking why Obama would do something so dumb. He couldn’t have meant to say it, they argue, because he had to know it would exacerbate his biggest political problem – women voters abandoning the Democratic ticket.
I agree. This wasn’t a political plot. It was a Barack Obama point of personal privilege.
What we’re seeing is how Barack Obama performs under pressure. And so far, it isn’t pretty.”
And…
As always…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
Jayhawk – it was clear from context we were talking about current times, and not about the Vietnam era.
So your reference to credibility is kinda shot.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Jayhawk: “Service defending our country and the respect that should be paid is not limited to the present period of time, unless that is what you infer…”
What is it about Republicans and their difficulties with the English language.
First, I can imply and you can infer what I mean, but I can’t infer something to you.
Second, there is a difference between respect that should be paid and respect that is paid. We clearly were talking about the latter, and I’m guessing anyone else who is reading this exchange (which probably means no one) assumed we were talking about recent years, and not the treatment guys in the Service were getting decades ago.
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
For many Vietnam Vets, it will never be a long time ago…
Posted by: Cicly | September 11, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
So, no it’s Paul the English teacher,
Interesting…
When the issue starts to get tough, change the subject…
Typical Obamabot tactic…
As with most of your posts, the only clear context (in your mind) is what you deem it to be…
Such is a classic example of Obamabot confrontational tactics among bloggers…
So, understand the context of this, Paul…
Neither you nor any of the Obamabot posters dictate the tone or content of exchange…
The credibility of your arguments is nil at this point…
Just read and learn…
And, remember…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Well said, Cicly…
Can’t really add to that…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
By the way, Paul,
Your assumption didn’t necessarily make Cicly a “no one”…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Cicly: “For many Vietnam Vets, it will never be a long time ago…”
But for the rest of us, who maintain a little emotional detachment, like I would hope most voters do, our part of that war began more than 46 years ago, and the helicopters were tossed off the roof of the embassy, what 34 years ago?
Posted by: Paul | September 11, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Shout out to my homeboy “Oeilsevere” & my homegirl Victoria. Keep the lil’ doggies running scared…
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As to “Larry Man”, I’ve found the following ol’ cowboy sayin’ a good rule for dealing with lil’ “Larry Boy” and his nonsense…
As Will Rogers used to say:
“Remember, silence is sometimes the best answer.”
I’m gonna break that rule this once.
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Hey “LarryMan”
Ciao “LarryMan”…
Come Stai? Stai Bene?
Mi Chiamo Niccolo…Niccolo M@chiavelli.
Sono nato a Firenze…
Sono un filosofo, scrittore e politico italiano.
Voi conoscere un po di piu?
Vedi qui…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niccolò_Machiavelli
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BTW: Larry Boy
You seem strangely obsessed with “kindergarten” – your thoughts always turning to kids & kindergarten, you tell other posters with whom you disagree to “Go back to Kindergarten”, harping on the perils of “teaching kids sex ed in kindergarten”.
Is there something you’d like to share with the rest of us, Larry Boy? Any dark, secret vices that dare not speak their name?
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Still, I am impressed that a “pickle-head” such as you are can type at all…how do you do it “Larry Boy”?
http://www.larryboy.com
Posted by: niccolo m@chiavelli | September 11, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm
hahahahahaha JAYHAWK NUMBER ONE!!!!!!! I love ya hahahahaha
You crack me up, dude, as I watch your great country go down the cowboy toilet. It’s a shame; the greatest experiment in Western democracy hijacked by inbred, gun-totin’, bible-thumpin’, down-levelin’, XIXth century nationalistic Billy-Bobs.
what annoys me is that when your country finally goes down the toilet, and it soon will, all of us in the civilised world will have to be prepared to have Mandarin-speaking children.
Thanks a lot, inbred Bubbas of this world.
Oh, and the reasons why I didn’t fully spell profanity: 1) My c**k is quite big enough; I don’t feel it growing any bigger by saying F*** (or by handling a gun and a pick-up truck, for that matter… hahahahahaha)
2)Many forums automatically censor posts that contain such words; didn’t have time to check if my posts were or were not getting through. ‘Turns out this blog DOES block profane posts.
Happy? Feel better? If not, go hug your phallic shotgun, you penile deficient inbred cowboy.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
Down the DRAIN I say !!!!
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Paul: “But for the rest of us, who maintain a little emotional detachment, like I would hope most voters do, our part of that war began more than 46 years ago, and the helicopters were tossed off the roof of the embassy, what 34 years ago?”
Sadly enough, there are some who believe that chosen context or emotional detachment justifies misinterpretation or disrespect.
These individuals even go so far to group themselves in a larger arena they label as “the rest of us.”
Sorry, Paul, but that just doesn’t get it.
Whether 34 years, 34 weeks, or 34 days, the service and the sacrifice should not be taken lightly.
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
Posted by: Jayhawk | Sep 11, 2008 3:03:32 PM
JayHawk…
You write:
“Let’s start with the obvious and inarguable: Of course Sen. Barack Obama’s comment about “lipstick on a pig” was a reference to Supergirl Sarah Palin.
You know it, I know it and the partisan crowd that literally rose to their feet and cheered when they heard it know it.
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Your right…at least about me…I knew Obama’s reference to lipstick was about Sarah Palin.
I, for one, think a “little piggy” is a lot cuter than a “pit-bull” – one of meanest, ugliest dogs around. Think of that cute pig in the movie “Babe” or “Wilbur” in Charlotte’Web.
I thought Obama was being gallant, not sexist.
He was trying to pay Gov. Palin a complement by calling her a “pig” with lipstick.
She’d just called herself a “pit-bull”.
Now, I may not like her politics, but she’s a lot prettier than a pit bull!
She was selling herself short:-)
Posted by: niccolo m@chiavelli | September 11, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Now, that one got a laugh out of me, Niccolo…
Good one…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 11, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Oeilsevere:
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You pegged me about right, I did graduate from one of America’s “elite” institutions of higher education – with an Masters in Political Science, it so happens.
Glad to see someone got the reference to the great “Big Mac”, advisor to “princes”.
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My real name isn’t “Larry Johnson”, though my first name is John. Maybe LarryBoy can have some fun with that, he does seem to like toilet humor.
Posted by: niccolo m@chiavelli | September 11, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
Posted by: Jayhawk | Sep 11, 2008 4:05:53 PM
:-)
BTW: I greatly appreciate your comments and insights, though we do not share the same political views.
Posted by: niccolo m@chiavelli | September 11, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
for many of our vets out of any of the wars, there is no emotional detachment, many of them live with the memories every moment of their lives, some dream about it, all of them think about it… You could never forget it…
How could you have emotional detachment to events that were so emotional?
Posted by: Cicly | September 11, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
ABC site has become just another place for nimrod Obamabots to smear their excrement. I never knew how nasty, small-minded, narcissistic, ignorant, vicious, vacuuous and malevolent the lefty-loonies were until this election. You’ll be left scratching your…head again after this election and wondering how so many people could have voted John McCain and Sarah Palin into the White House.
Posted by: Casey | September 11, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
whew!! Casey is angry
Posted by: Cicly | September 11, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Isn’t it well known that Joe Biden’s son will be deployed to Iraq in October? I’ve even seen Dem quotes that the whole campaign for the month was being set around that point and that “republicans would do the same.” That was before Palin, of course.
Why is it OK for Obama and Biden, but not for Palin?
Just wondering…
Posted by: beth | September 11, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-barol/what-should-happen-tonigh_b_125667.html
LOL!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 8:48 pm 8:48 pm
niccolo m@chiavelli and Victoria : We, in the civilized West outside of the USA, are wishing intensly that your country produces more people like you.
If ever you decide to get envolved in public service, you might get slammed by some high school-educated rivals in the GOP, who’ll say you’re not in touch with the people, too uppity, etc, but keep at it!!
The world revolves around your stability. If the bible/gun toters go too far in their hijacking of this democracy, we’ll ALL have to learn Mandarin, not that there’s anything wrong with that, but… I’d rather my future kids keep the French language alive and yours the English. The language thing of course is a metaphor; it’s our civilisation that I’m really referring to.
So niccolo: pay no mind to tuhbakkah-chewin’ jesus-and-bazooka-worshipping bigots, who (as I accurately predicted) are too ignorant to understand that your username is a username, that you really aren’t an Italian foreigner, and who will tell you to leave the country.
Both of you: pay no mind to people who think: “Anything America does in the world, good our bad, I’d rather die than criticize it, even constructively” (a Palin conception taken from her RNC speech).
Pay no mind to people who, animated by inferiority complexes, like to belittle THE FIRST OF THE WESTERN EMPIRES, i.e. EUROPE, who’ve already been there and done that in terms of blind nationalism, imperialism and colonialism and who understand their perils. Pay no mind to people who, wrapped in a flag, praise somebody for having sustained physical torture, but conveniently forget that that somebody got captured in the first place as he was on his way to bomb a civilian power plant, in a LOOOOOOST war (hahahahaha) which, as Irak, was a fraud and unjustified, in a country that wished no harm to the US, but which only wanted its people to stop being 2nd class citizens IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY.
There’s still hope; after the people get off the “dancing baby” buzz of the annoying pitbull with an annoying accent and voice (I’m sensitive to annoying voices… sorry!), some people will lead the (dumb) mass back to the right path: towards understanding THE G*DD*MN ISSUES. And you gotta be there to help!
Peace to you my friends and keep doin’ what you’re doin’. Higher consciousness will prevail. Backwardsness will die down along with the old, fat-covered brains like that of the Falwells and Palins of your country (I hope…!)
And sorry for my broken English.
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 11, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm
As I was reminding inbred cowboys of the French heritage to the US, I merely brought up the very many places discovered and civilized by France on the US territory, to which the French names attest; I completely forgot to remind that the French revolution came about because of economic bankruptcy in the French kingdom following the French military and economic support of the American revolution (hence the name LaFayette). But that omission was grandly vindicated tonight in the candidates’ address at Columbia U when Obama was questioned about the writings of Tocqueville in XIXth century America…
I was so impressed that the interviewers knew about that glorious stuff !!! I bought the book in March and never had a chance to read it. My girlfriend, who’s doing a master’s in management, had it in mandatory reading last semester.
Higher learning vs Bubba-type conservatism… The latter will FAIL !!!
hahahahahaha
Vive les États-Unis d’Amérique !!! Vive la France !!! Vive le savoir et la lucidité !!!! Vive le future lettré et instruit ! Au diable les pieux connards cowboys consanguins, ignorants et imbéciles !!
Obama ’08
Posted by: Oeilsevere | September 12, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am
they are all priviledged.
Posted by: ewe | September 12, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
What a sad and childish report. Blue skies! — Dan Ford
Posted by: Oldpilot | September 12, 2008, 5:20 am 5:20 am
Why don’t you dissect every word out of Biden’s mouth? Or are you too busy doing exactly that to everything Gov Palin says?
Posted by: Adrienne | September 20, 2008, 3:45 am 3:45 am
‘ It would have, no doubt, made it harder for the media to keep the secret had Prince Harry’s mother told the world about the deployment before it happened.’
Prince harry’s mother is dead so could not tell the press anything
Posted by: Henry | September 24, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am