Republicans on Hill: We and McCain Are Takin’ Care of Business (TCB)
"I don’t know what games were being played at the White House yesterday, ganging up on Boehner," said House GOP Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, "but if they thought they were rollin’, me they were kidding themselves."
Democrats in that private meeting expressed frustration with the House Republicans for not having seriously participated in negotiations, and for pushing an alternative proposal that included corporate tax cuts and — instead of the U.S. government buying Wall Street’s toxic assets — a federal insurance program for these devalued assets, one that Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson has told Democrats he doesn’t think is workable.
"I believe, and my colleagues believe, that America is on the edge of an economic crisis," Boehner said. "We believe that Congress needs to act and we need to act quickly. We need to act quickly and protect the American taxpayer first and foremost — that’s what this fight has been about."
Boehner said that Republicans "will not agree to a bill that sells taxpayers out to bail out Wall Street."
House Republican Conference Chairman Adam Putnam, R-Fla., said that "because of the leadership of Sen. McCain, the leadership of House Republicans, we are moving forward on a plan that is better for the American taxpayer."
The man now designated to negotiate on behalf of House Republicans, Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., said that "We are going to negotiate seriously. I’ve already reached out to the negotiators — the other negotiators to talk about our desire to get this done, and to get this done with some additional free enterprise principles."
But Blunt also repeated the mantra of the minority that bipartisanship isn’t necessary.
"Clearly, the Democrats have a majority in both houses of Congress," Blunt said. "If they want to do this by themselves, they can do it by themselves any minute they want to."
On the other side of the Capitol, Senate Republicans also weighed in, with a message — not surprisingly — that was slightly less partisan.
"We think it’s extremely important not only to get the substance of the package right, but to do it quickly," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., "and I think everybody is trying to go forward in good faith."
Sen. Judd Gregg, R-N.H., the top Republican on the Senate Budget Committee, said that "significant" progress has been made but "there are still a lot of ‘knotty’ and difficult … issues to deal with."
Gregg said that the move by House Republicans to replace Rep. Spencer Bachus, R-Ala., in negotiations with Blunt, "who has a major portfolio in the House," is "really good news and very positive."
Both Gregg and McConnell said that — despite assertions by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., and House Financial Services Committee Chair Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass. — the presence of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., in negotiations has been positive.
McCain has "been a very constructive part of this," said McConnell.
Gregg said that it was helpful for both presidential candidates to return to Washington, D.C. "Sen. McCain, Sen. Obama coming back to the city, coming back to Washington, significantly moved the process along, because, first, it got us focused. But, secondly, more importantly, it got the American people focused on the seriousness of the issue … So, I think that was constructive."
McConnell agreed, saying the presence of Obama and McCain "underscored the significance of moving forward and moving forward on a bipartisan basis and doing it quickly."
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Boehner said. “We need to act quickly and protect the American taxpayer first”..
so,.. where have these ‘fiscally responsible’ Republicans been for the last 8 years ????
They were running the whole government.
MIA…
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
“I don’t know what games were being played at the White House yesterday, ganging up on Boehner,” said House GOP Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio “but if they thought they were rollin’ me they were kidding themselves.”
When people start speaking in the third person, its best to back away slowly.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 26, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
If this continues, the whole thing is gonna crash and burn. Thanks to McCain, of course, for injecting presidential politics into this. What a toad.
Posted by: Tungsten | September 26, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
While I am sure the Democrats were willing to assign nearly a trillion dollars in debt to the American taxpaying public, I for one am grateful for McCain, who has stepped up to ensure the country’s best interests are met. Obama was ready to place his usual ‘present’ vote and get back to the business at hand: boning up on his foreign policy answers with his debate prep team. I believe he said he would be available by phone, if anyone needed him. Considering that this deal will affect the American public for years, if not decades, to come, I would think (as both a Senator and as a presidental candidate) he would actually have wanted to have a hand in crafting it. Multi-tasking and prioritizing are two different things. A true leader knows the diffference, especially when the country is in the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.
Posted by: LeadersLeadObamaFollows | September 26, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Republicans look like a joke right now.
Posted by: Carrie | September 26, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
I hope that the GOP members in the House ends up saving the taxpayer about $10,000 to $30,000 per person. So, I don’t follow that it’s bad if McCain supports an alternative plan.
If there is an alternative to the tax payer being on the hook, I’m for it. If there is an alternative to increased socialism, I’m for that as well. For the record, I don’t usually vote Republican but this move my McCain if successful will damage Obama immensely.
Posted by: Patrick | September 26, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Yes, I agree with McConnell that McCain has been very constructive at disrupting a meaningful negotiation, stepping on his colleagues toes, ignoring the economic situation until his poll numbers said he could not and playing the American voter for stupid.
Posted by: Paige | September 26, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
What I saw on CBS News yesterday is that the Republicans’ new proposal was to have fewer regulations in the bill and include corporate tax breaks.
Not good. No wonder the deal fell apart last night!
Posted by: cincyr | September 26, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Thank you House Republicans for lumping McCain in with you. That means McCain thinks this bailout package has to include more tax breaks for the wealthy.
Thank you McCain for saying Warren Buffet should pay on 10% in taxes, while the rest of us pay 25% in taxes.
Posted by: Dan | September 26, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
McCain himself said he knows nothing of the economy…
what has he done to help any of this out? nothing! show up and let your pals say you cured the world of this crisis….
Posted by: matt | September 26, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
America is not buying your bull this time GOP
Posted by: jim | September 26, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
The Dem hatchet job yesterday was a farce. They baldfaced lied and said there was a deal when there was not. They even sent conflicting signals three days ago saying McCain had to come and convince Republicans… but whe he came Reid (who originally asked) then said he was not needed.
At a time when our money is at stake… the dems as usual are so casual about using it as political switch and bait!
Posted by: Diamond Lou | September 26, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
They’re holding up the bail-out because they want CORPORATE tax cuts and capital gains tax cuts??? Maybe they don’t want the huge CEO salaries cut either. Thanks House Pubs. We can see you’re looking after us!
Posted by: marilyn | September 26, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
I have already emailed both OHIO Senators that if ONE DAMN DIME goes to ACORN that I will vote every Democrat out of office until I draw my last breath. I am 56. My mother is 95. That is a lot of voting!
Posted by: beebop | September 26, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
At this point only Ron Paul really matters. He predicted everything while everyone else said everything is great. Let us listen to the clairvoyant one instead of the crooked bankers and well connected.
Posted by: Huh | September 26, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
DEMOCRATS ARE IN MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE…WHY CAN’T THEY JUST PASS THE BILL?
who is playing what game here?
It’s funny now Obama is on Bush side and McCain against Bush…I guess the McBush slogan would not work anymore! heh
Posted by: Frieda | September 26, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
The root cause of the current situation is Fannie Mae. Who got more money from Fannie? DODD, 0BAMA and KERRY. Kerry at least has the good sense to keep his mouth shut and not prove that he is stupid.
Posted by: beebop | September 26, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
I love… Even the Republicans are turning against their own Empty Suite!!!!
The whole episode left even conservatives admitting that the McCain campaign looked erratic and a bit foolish with no apparent direction or guiding principle.
“It just proves his campaign is governed by tactics and not ideology,” said Republican consultant Craig Shirley, who advised McCain earlier in this cycle. “In the end, he blinked and Obama did not. The ‘steady hand in a storm’ argument looks now to more favor Obama, not McCain.”
Shirley added, “My guess is that plasma units are rushing to the McCain campaign as we speak to replace the blood flowing there from the fights among the staff.”
Posted by: beck | September 26, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
They already missed the opportunity to be on Letterman! Talk about poor delivery of a bad joke.
Posted by: Thinking | September 26, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
America is not buying your bull this time GOP
It is not the republicans trying to rush this thing through. If the democrats think this bill is wonderful they can pass it, easily, no republicans needed.
So why don’t they (the democrats) just pass it?
Posted by: david | September 26, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
I guess IF Obama gets in and there is a crisis at 3am he will just roll over and go back to sleep, after all why should he care, he’s a Democrat. McCain showed the leadership here, Obama voted present.
Posted by: Norm Stephenson | September 26, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
Not surprised the GOP would say “McCain showed leadership in this”. I seriously pray people aren’t that easily fooled to see that this was politics at it’s worse.
Posted by: Dem-4-Life | September 26, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
beebop: All most every single person on your Mccains campaign has worked and or still does work for Fannie Mae.. I think I would try a different approach here.
Posted by: beck | September 26, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
The Democratic positions on how the bill needs to be fixed were stated very clearly early in the week before McCain politicized this. When the final bill is done, lets see just how close it hews to them:
Vastly increased oversight.
Limits on executive compensation.
Stock/equity in companies (payback the tax payers).
If the final bill the Republicans sign onto include these, then they haven’t added anything – they’ve just dithered to make a political ad out of an important process.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
beck:
I have two words for you HAROLD RAINES.
Enuff said.
Posted by: beebop | September 26, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
So the Republicans want the Republican administration’s bill to pass without any Republicans voting in favor of it?
Posted by: cincyr | September 26, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
jhw539 :
20% to ACORN — which is being investigated in multiple jurisdictions is hardly “oversight” unless you are in favor of foxes in the hen house.
Posted by: beebop | September 26, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Boehner refuses to be rolled? The only people getting rolled here are the American people by these corrupt jerks we have for political and business leaders.
Posted by: Lee | September 26, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
It looks like 11 out of 10 polls today are for Obama, a 1-10 point spread.
I guess McCain’s gamble didn’t work, neither did his VP choice.
Posted by: cin | September 26, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
beebop
the ‘root cause’ of the problem is aggressive Republican deregulation started back in 1982.
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
So, in other words, there’s no deal.
Posted by: hang | September 26, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
I think it is quite funny that Obama and the democrats are on Bush’s side, and Mc Cain is not. Four more years Senator Obama.
Posted by: infoseeking | September 26, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
lol i dont think anyone was happy with mccain and his political theater
lol what did he accomplish…
they were sayign eh didnt even know anything about the bill
and suddenly passing hte bill isnt that important, hes going to debate
suddenly
i mean… say one thing do another
tahts mccain
im goign to washington to fix this mess
we almost have a deal
mccain lands, talks blow up, house republicans revolt, mccain cant get anythign done, goes home
talks resume, mccain told to leave
mccain leaves
things get done
Posted by: Bhrandon | September 26, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
“Clearly the Democrats have a majority in both houses of Congress,” Blunt said, “if they want to do this by themselves they can do it by themselves any minute they want to”
This is another example of Republicans blatantly lying and not being called on it. The Republicans have shut down the Senate with a record number of filibusters to protect President Bush’s policies the past two years. Nothing gets through without at a minimum their passive consent. Not to mention the bill originated with the top ranking Republican, President Bush. Mr. Blunt knows his statement is a lie but trusts his base is too slavishly devoted to bother to think and notice.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
House Republican Conference Chairman Adam Putnam, R-Florida, said that “because of the leadership of Senator McCain, the leadership of House Republicans, we are moving forward on a plan that is better for the American taxpayer.”
—————————–
I would give a whole lot to ask Putnam,”What specific things did McCain do?” I would give more if Putnam gave an answer a reasonable man could understand.
Posted by: Beto | September 26, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
Hey Jake, Why not report the reason republicans are against the democrats bill – 20% going to Acorn and La Raza? Grow a pair and do some factual reporting instead of this smearmongering you and much of the rest of the media engage in. It is time for real leadership. We don’t have that with Pelosi and Reid. They are larding this plan up with pork. You should be trumpeting this.
Posted by: Awilson | September 26, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Biden has asked for over 50 million in earmarks.
The Democrats will give millions in earmarks to ACORN–a radical community group connected to voter fraud in many states.
Obama has close ties to ACORN.
Wake-up people! Come out of your Obama stupor and look at the facts.
Posted by: riley | September 26, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Rex – failed civics, did we?
Posted by: dl | September 26, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
beebop: “20% to ACORN — which is being investigated in multiple jurisdictions is hardly “oversight” unless you are in favor of foxes in the hen house.”
Two points:
One, you are lying about “20% to ACORN.” 20% would go to the Housing Trust Fund, which has in the past supplied a small amount of money to ACORN.
Two, this has no relation to my original point: The demand (that was bipartisan until McCain bulled through the china shop) that congressional review and oversight be attached. The Republican administration was initially insisting on no Congressional oversight AND full exemption from any Judicial oversight.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm
I want the guy in charge who jumps in with both feet – no matter what anyone thinks. That is John McCain. I don’t think the guy who says “Call Me If You Need Me” is the man of the hour, or for the job. McCain knew there was no deal because he knows what is going on. Again, the Democrats don’t seem to have a clue – except to look like deer in the headlights. Did you see Reed on TV this morning? He is the most pitiful leader we have ever had in the Senate, and Pelosi is right behind him. I now know why they call it a “Do Nothing Congress!”
Posted by: Keith B | September 26, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
I want the guy in charge who jumps in with both feet – no matter what anyone thinks. That is John McCain. I don’t think the guy who says “Call Me If You Need Me” is the man of the hour, or for the job. McCain knew there was no deal because he knows what is going on. Again, the Democrats don’t seem to have a clue – except to look like deer in the headlights. Did you see Reed on TV this morning? He is the most pitiful leader we have ever had in the Senate, and Pelosi is right behind him. I now know why they call it a “Do Nothing Congress!”
Posted by: Keith B | September 26, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
dl-it’s the REPUBLICAN’S plan!
Posted by: Paige | September 26, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Presidential politics should not be a part of the discussions going on. However one of those two will be president and they should have been there and probably should still be involved and offering input.
Posted by: david | September 26, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
The Repubs in the House can spin it any way they want… but clearly McCain’s showboating yesterday in Washington only served to jack up tensions and muck up any deal being brokered, as well as muck up his legacy, his campaign, and his chance in this election. He’s shown himself to be a rash, narrow-focused thinker… acting on impulse before he thinks things through.
McCain is not presidential material. And his running mate is hopelessly out of her league.
Posted by: DogBitez | September 26, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
dl: ” how do you explain the fact that the democrats aren\’t using their majority to get a bill pushed through.”
Amazing. You are attacking Democrats for wanting bipartisan agreement on the largest bailout ever.
And, again, you are willfully ignoring that NO BILL CAN PASS WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF REPUBLICANS IN THE SENATE. Period. That is a raw fact, proven a record number of times over the last two Senates by the Republican parties repeated filibustering. Or you woefully ignorant of how the Senate works, or deliberately lying?
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
HP Boston: We’re just not going to buy it. The republicans wanted to regulate Frannie and Freddie at the behest of their lobbyist friends from Lehmann Bros and Bear Stearns to undermine Fannie and Freddies’ ability to compete in the open market. They didn’t try to regulate all the lenders and they certainly weren’t trying to do it to help or protect the american people. It was a good ol’ boys stab in the back and it didn’t work. You can cut and paste all day. Where is Lehmann Bros now by the way?
Posted by: Loki | September 26, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
jhw539:
So. Democrats in agreement with Bush?
And so is 0bama. Whose Bush’s third term? Not the guy with the stones to say “no” to him, that’s for sure.
Posted by: beebop | September 26, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Keith B: “I want the guy in charge who jumps in with both feet – no matter what anyone thinks. That is John McCain.”
So the next time you get a tooth ache while waiting for an oil change you want the mechanic to grab some pliers and take care of it?
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
“Adding to the rocky perception was a McCain campaign web ad released this morning declaring “McCain Wins Debate!” –
•-> put out even before the candidate had announced he was planning to debate.”
McCain & the Repugs… a never ending cess pool of lies and distortions.
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
DogBitez :
So sorry you weren’t following news reports of the meeting yesterday.
Bush and 0bama did most of the talking.
McCain barely said anything.
You know …. you guys need to make up your mind. He’s either throwing a wrench in the works or not doing anything. But you can’t have it both ways. That’s not the way it works, okay? Pick your fiction and stay with it.
Posted by: beebop | September 26, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
Are the Republicans really trying to argue AGAINST bipartisanship in a time a crisis? What is wrong with these people? What is wrong with John McCain?
Posted by: TRBoston | September 26, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
beebop: “jhw539:
So. Democrats in agreement with Bush?
And so is 0bama. Whose Bush’s third term? Not the guy with the stones to say “no” to him, that’s for sure.”
How much more partisan can you get? Yes, the Democrats agree something has to be done, that water is wet, and that terrorists should be hunted down and killed. They thought President Bush’s initial demand for a blank check was unacceptable, and have offered compromises to meet him halfway and take care of the problem. Such compromise has been the hallmark of good governance for generations, from Nixon going to China to Newt Gingrich reforming welfare with Clinton.
This isn’t some football game where you’re waving a foam finger screaming for your side. Real lives are affected here.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
They’re fooling no one. McCain’s stunt failed miserably.
Posted by: dem in chicago | September 26, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Jake- Please post the WEB ad the Mccain campaign already released about his having won the debate that has yet to occur. It’s interesting because at the time it was released:
A. McCain said he wasn’t sure if he was going.
B. The debate has not taken place yet.
Posted by: Paige | September 26, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
it’s time for us to wake up.
The fact shows:
Obama is actually Bush 3rd, he agrees with Bush’s plan, he doesn’t care tax payers.
Nobama!!!!!!! Obama = Bush 3rd!!!!!!
Posted by: golfgirlusa | September 26, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Hp Boston: The republicans tried to regulate Freddie and Fannie at the behest of their lobbyist friends from Lehmann Bros and Bear Stearns to undermine their ability to compete against them in the open market. They didn’t attempt to regulate all the lenders and they certainly weren’t doing for the american people. It was a classic good ol’ boys stab in the back and it didn’t work. You can cut and past all day. Where is Lehmann Bros now by the way?
Posted by: Loki | September 26, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
beebop: “You know …. you guys need to make up your mind. He’s either throwing a wrench in the works or not doing anything.”
You don’t see how showing up with the full focus of the presidential press coverage could have any impact? Heck, on the initial meeting list he was going to bring a member of his CAMPAIGN staff for support (Obama never was).
If I show up at my ex-girlfriends wedding, walk to the front and call her a single nasty name, is my impact lessened by how few words I have spoken?
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
Look. Most Americans paid their bills and played by the rules. Some people bought houses for which they could not qualify and yet got risky loans. Sorry. But to bail them out and reward people like ACORN who helped them falsify documentation is not the answer. If anyone in the House or Senate agrees to reward these thieves — ACORN — with ANY taxpayer money, we should all march on DC.
Posted by: beebop | September 26, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
“No wonder the 0bama is outspending John McCain for little and no gain in the polls.”
Obama and McCain (combined with their parties) are spending about the same amount of money.
Real Clear’s poll average has Obama up 4.
After the RNC Convention, McCain led by an average of 3.
Someone is getting their money’s worth and its not McCain.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 26, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Read it and weep:
Electoral Votes Now:
233 – Obama
190 – McChicken
270 – To win
Obama looks to win EASILY FL, CO, MI, MN, WI, OH and PA. That’s 7 out of 10 battlegrounders, grasshoppa. He only needs 2 of these and it’s over. Close your eyes and pick two, any two!
This part is funny…..McCain has to win all of them just to keep the race close. THAT’S NOT GONNA HAPPEN, is it?
Posted by: Nat Turner | September 26, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
You don’t have to vote anyone out of office, according to our constitution this bailout is illegal. Simply file a lawsuit, I am sure you can find a lot of lawyers who will take your case. I don’t agree with the bail out, but understand the need for it. The parts that really tick me off are the earmarks and stimulus package the dems attached. That kind of cr*p really has me aggravated. Why should what started out as an enormous 700 bil bailout turn into and over 760 bil bailout once they added their pet projects to it.
Posted by: samhiguchi | September 26, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
“The day before, Harry Reid DEMANDED that McCain GET ON BOARD. Try getting off a blog and reading actual NEWS every once in a while.”
On Tuesday, Reid “demanded” that McCain take a position on the bailout.
Since McCain had not even read the 3 page proposal yet which had been out since Fri, I agree it was unfair of Reid to do that.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 26, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
The Republicans are trying to grand-stand as usual. The White House puts out a plan NO ONE likes, both parties agree somewhat on a simple framework. Out of the blue they start tap dancing with sparklers in hand as though they are the saviors of the American taxpayer. What a sad joke this is.
Posted by: seansatx | September 26, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm
I dont expect much shake up tonight. McCain’s campaign has been erratic and strange for weeks but he’s a decent debater. I dont expect much from the “debate”, just canned stuff.
Posted by: bubba | September 26, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
WOW NatTurner, did we all sleep through election day???!! You already have the electoral votes going out, you do know however that is a guestimate…we didn’t vote yet. Don’t get your cart in front of your horse.
Posted by: samhiguchi | September 26, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
beebop:
so, Mr. ‘drawn more breaths’, I’m curious, how old are you?
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
“You don’t have to vote anyone out of office, according to our constitution this bailout is illegal.”
This should be good.
Please explain how the bailout is unconstitutional?
(Hint: things are not illegal under our Constitution, they are either Constitutional or Unconstitutional. Legal or not legal is based on actions regarding the law)
Posted by: Ryan C | September 26, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
Nat Turner:
I don’t want to be any where near you on November 5th when you open your newspaper and read “President-elect McCain.”
I know that you guys are all getting paid and hope that by slamming these “open” blogs you will convince the media and each other that all is well in 0bama land.
Guess what? The Republicans don’t care what you think. Their base is RALLIED and while you sit here and smack each other on the back, they are out doing what it takes to ELECT their candidate.
Buh-bye losers. :)
Posted by: beebop | September 26, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
beebop: “The day before, Harry Reid DEMANDED that McCain GET ON BOARD. ”
If you take a pundits report as gospel truth. And it would be perfectly reasonable to ask that McCain act like a leader in his party and forge a consensus so something can get done. And McCain has not done so. He flew back for a photo-op and now the Republicans can’t agree amongst themselves what they want to do about a bill introduced by the Republican administration. The Democrats are clear, unified and, up until McCain kicked everything over, were doing the job of forging a consensus bill.
Last I heard from the news, McCain and Bush are begging for their own party to quit showboating (like McCain himself is) and get back to business.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Bob Rubin, chief economic advisor for Obama, is CEO of Citicorp, who will get about $60 billion of taxpayer money for their stupidity.
Posted by: Karen | September 26, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Democrats have been giving lots of interviews. Republicans have been remarkably silent. Wonder what that means? Hate to see a bailout but the Democrats control both houses and it looks like that’s the way they are headed.
Posted by: independent | September 26, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
the dems have the votes right now they are the majority in both houses and they have the support of the pres. so they can pass the bailout right now.
what they are doing is they are trying to make sure that if they obama and dems win in november they can blame the republicans when they announce cuts in social programs due to the bailout and blame the republican administration plan. we get it.
Posted by: colorado | September 26, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
“Jake- Please post the WEB ad the Mccain campaign already released about his having won the debate that has yet to occur. It’s interesting because at the time it was released”
Its Orwell come to life.
The McCain campaign has become a sad joke.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 26, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
“the dems have the votes right now they are the majority in both houses and they have the support of the pres. so they can pass the bailout right now.”
Yes they do. But the Dems, Senate GOPers & White House are waiting so that this bailout is presented to the people in a bipartisan unified fashion for the good of the country in a time of crisis.
The House Republicans want more corporate tax breaks and LESS regulation.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 26, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
beebop:
re: “The Republicans don’t care what you think”
That’s exactly why America finds itself in the current situation .
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
beebop: “Guess what? The Republicans don’t care what you think. Their base is RALLIED and while you sit here and smack each other on the back, they are out doing what it takes to ELECT their candidate.
Buh-bye losers. :)”
I think that summarizes beebop’s position well. I invite people to scan through her various lies and misrepresentations on this page and decide for themselves. As for me, she’s a complete zealot who (like McCain) is willing to say whatever it takes for “her side” to win without regard for what is good for the country. It’s not about policies to keep our nation strong and healty, it’s about “doing what it takes” to win. McCain deserved a better legacy than this.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
The Republican who are crediting McCain for leadership on the economic crisis, just gave a potted plant kudos for being there.
Posted by: doug | September 26, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
independent no they will not sign a bailout plan unless they can get a republican stamp on it. they know the bailout will result in cuts to obama promised social programs and tax cuts. by having a republican stamp on the bailout they can blame the republicans for the cuts.
Posted by: colorado | September 26, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm
anytime the dems rally around george bush it is suspect don’t ya figure.
it has been amusing watching the dem chairs of finance and banking committees in charge of fixing the mess they created. they really do believe we don’t get it.
Posted by: colorado | September 26, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
colorado: “they know the bailout will result in cuts to obama promised social programs and tax cuts. by having a republican stamp on the bailout they can blame the republicans for the cuts.”
What? Are you serious? They can’t blame the Republicans for the bailout when they hold enough of a majority that they had to agree to it too. This is about not letting the Republicans turn this important legislation into a wedge issue: Get there concerns in now, represent their supporters, and lets get a bill everyone hates but agrees is necessary.
Do you WANT the Democrats to ignore a large portion of the country? This is absurd – do you comprehend what you are saying, or do you really love playing the victim so much you are demanding to be ignored now?
HOW CAN YOU CONDEMN THE DEMOCRATS INSISTING ON THE REPUBLICANS REPRESENTING THEIR CONSTITUENTS?
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
colorado, sorry I have to correct you, this bailout will not cut O’s social programs, in fact they have tacked on 56 billion to the bailout for social programs.
Posted by: samhiguchi | September 26, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Ryan C. — Trust no one. The ad looks photo-shopped. If it was real, it would say “Paid for and approved by …” as required by campaign advertising law.
Posted by: Adman | September 26, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
colorado: “in charge of fixing the mess they created.”
Republican administration for 8 years, 6 years of a Republican rubber-stamp Congress. Republicans having deregulation as a prized central tenant. And it is the the Democrats fault. Amazing.
Go ahead, lie away. The sky is green, water burns, and eggplant tastes just like chicken. It is clear reality is irrelevant to the talking points you’re willing to spout.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
The Republicans are trying to grand-stand as usual. The White House puts out a plan NO ONE likes, both parties agree somewhat on a simple framework. Out of the blue they start tap dancing with sparklers in hand as though they are the saviors of the American taxpayer. What a sad joke this is.
Posted by: seansatx | September 26, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
“I guess IF Obama gets in and there is a crisis at 3am he will just roll over and go back to sleep, after all why should he care, he’s a Democrat. McCain showed the leadership here, Obama voted present. ”
……….I agree … I am voting McCain and so will everyone with commonsense after this … for Obama to treat this like his little talks on the road are more important makes me sick!!!!!!
Posted by: Cassandra Washington | September 26, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
colorado:
so exactly who has been running both houses of the government since 2000, ?
I’ll help you out here: Republicans
I know you don’t like that word, and nowadays, neither do any of yer buddies, but it’s a fact.
Dems have had a bare majority since 2007.
your time is close to an end..
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm
You have the republican congress on one side and the republican president on the other side and pool ol’ McCain doesn’t know which side is up. And they think they should run the country.
Posted by: The Unshrub | September 26, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
You have the republican congress on one side and the republican president on the other side and pool ol’ McCain doesn’t know which side is up. And they think they should run the country.
Posted by: The Unshrub | September 26, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
independent: Since colorado refuses to answer, I’ll ask you to be clear:
Do you WANT the Democrats to ignore a large portion of the country (those represented by Republicans)?
And why – do you have that little respect for Republican’s ability to offer valuable guidance, or are you willing to see America lose hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars for your party’s political gain?
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
colorado: Why don’t you explicitly answer the question you are arguing:
Do you WANT the Democrats to ignore a large portion of the country (those represented by Republicans)?
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
colorado: “while rejecting any republican input.”
This is a lie or just flat out stupid. The entire bill was originally written by a REPUBLICAN administration. And, until McCain turned the whole thing into his personal campaign event, there was bipartisan demands for more oversight.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
•-> “Former Attorney General and White House Counsel Gonzales has admitted to investigators that President Bush directed him to go to the then-Attorney General John Ashcroft’s hospital bedside in that dramatic late night showdown over the warrantless wiretapping program. Gonzales has previously refused to answer congressional questions on that point in this testimonial trainwreck from July 2007:
It’s all unraveling, lies, distortions, crimes and myths…….
… the truth shall set you free.
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
the democrats have the votes right now to pass the bailout-along with a few republicans. come on dems rally around george bush. lol
if this is truly an economic disaster of epic proportions then in the best interest of the county the dems have a duty to save us and just vote to approve it now!
gotta go to work so i can be home in time for the debates.
Posted by: colorado | September 26, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
“Its Orwell come to life.”
So there are pigs that are more equal than others? That explains the pork barrel spending:
- pork for Obama’s church to fund Pastor whom he doesn’t know is a racist to build a house. Check.
- pork to Obama’s wife’s hospital so she can get a big raise. Check.
- pork to ACORN to create voter registration fraud. Check.
Why doesn’t someone just pay the check?
Ah… 700 billion approved by Obama to pay his financial supporters on Wall Street. CHECK!
Posted by: len | September 26, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
jhw — The administration presented a proposal (which I think was essentially $700 billion, Paulson discretion, now). They didn’t have a bill.
The Committees started drafting it, including the oversight, limiting the $, adding in funding for other programs, etc.
The devil’s always in the details w/legislation – the minute drafting starts, conflicts start. I don’t know how anyone thinks Congress would have this done quickly. While they may reach enough “agreement in principle” to offer some comfort to the market, there’s likely to be no vote for another week or so.
Posted by: Drift | September 26, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Republicans on Hill: We and McCain Are Screwing Things Up
McCain “suspends” his campaign to blow up the economic deal so he doesn’t have to debate Obama.
Posted by: BrattyMcCain | September 26, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
McCain speaks last at
yesterday’s meeting.
Mumbles something for
a couple of minutes.
Contributes zip.
Posted by: anon | September 26, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
BrattyMcCain: “McCain “suspends” his campaign to blow up the economic deal so he doesn’t have to debate Obama.”
He is still debating Obama tonight. And you have to admit he has done a wonderful job of lowering expectations for his performance. Before this stunt, it was common knowledge that he is strong in foreign affairs (the actual debate subject), a 26 year veteran of the Senate, and a very well tested and skilled debater.
If there was a crisis involving Russia, a subject likely to come up tonight, he could have legitimately argued his expertise was actually needed in the Senate.
Posted by: jhw539 | September 26, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Bush and the Congressional Democrats?
Talk about strange bedfellows!
I knew something big was up when one day shortly after this broke Obama was calling on the people to vote the bums who created this mess out, and the very next day was supporting the same bunch – like Paulson and (gasp!) Bush!
When the Democrats run to Bush for cover, then I am quite convinced that there is something very, very big on the Democrats here (apparently way more than we already know – maybe something to do with the FBI investigation). Who knows, maybe an October surprise is brewing. Maybe by “change” Obama meant that he would change positions to match the financial policies of the Bush Administration cronies, er, ah, ah, ah, experts — or that Obama would be the first President to govern from a prison cell.
Because as the Republicans in Congress have pointed out: The Congressional Democrats can do this thing with Bush any time they want (and from interviews haven’t even shown Republicans the “bailout” bill as late as yesterday). Funny, though, that Biden reportedly stuck some pork into the “bailout” bill – what a hack.
Given the current state of the “bailout” bill, IMO McCain would do best to vote against this one. It will be interesting to see how the Democrats try pull off shielding Obama on this one…
Posted by: Jon Do | September 26, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
jhw … I may be wrong, but wrong isn’t lying. Perhaps you can further explain. And, keep in mind, “a de factor requirement” is a tactical, not legal, rule
I haven’t heard/seen any indication that the Senate Rs would filibuster — they’ve been much more in tune w/the Committee plans and seemed to be behind the bill. With the exception of Shelby, I haven’t seen much example of Senate resistance, have you?
Posted by: Lgl | September 26, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
SAY NO TO BUSH. Wonder why the Democrats are voting with Bush on this bailout? All we hear is about his failed policies, so why would they join him now? Makes you wonder? And they say John McCain screwed up the whole deal and for him to get out of Washington? Hmmmmm? And why are they so insistent that the Republicans put their names on this horrible plan, when they don’t need the Republicans vote to pass it? Hmmmmmm? If they are so sure it is such a wonderful thing, I say let the Democrats hang it around their necks proudly, and pass it themselves. That way they can get all the credit for it. Come on Democrats – you and Bush hang together on this one, then we’ll see who they blame with a failed policy. Can’t wait to hear that one.
Posted by: tiaa | September 26, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Well, I’ve just seen McCain’s web Ad up on the Wall Street Journal website, declaring “MCCAIN WON THE DEBATE”..
pretty amazing for a guy who went on national tv to claim he ‘suspended’ his campaign!
Especially fast too, when you consider the debate won’t be starting for another 6 hours!
Posted by: Truth Matters | September 26, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Hey Truth Matters,
How about copying and pasting that here, so we can all see it.
Posted by: tiaa | September 26, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
“I believe and my colleagues believe that America is on the edge of an economic crisis,” Boehner said. “We believe that Congress needs to act and we need to act quickly. We need to act quickly and protect the American taxpayer first and foremost — that’s what this fight has been about.”
And so they propose another (capital gains) tax cut for those still profiting on Wall Street.
Posted by: ricky | September 26, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Those of you here saying that Dems want 20% of profits to go to ACORN are misinformed.
Dodd’s proposal, sec. 5, states that 20% of the profits “realized on the sale of each troubled asset” should go to the Housing Trust Fund and the Capital Magnet Fund. The rest would go back into the general fund of the Treasury.
You cannot equate these two funds with ACORN.
You are just repeating what all the conservative blogs are writing about today after Sen. Graham yesterday said this to Greta van Susteren.
Posted by: cincyr | September 26, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
I am, for one, proud that John McCain listened to the advice of Newt Gingrich and advanced the Reagan Revolution by pushing another round of tax cuts.
Posted by: Bill D. Fence | September 26, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Come on American people. Wall Street did not cause this economic collapse – it came right out of the halls of Congress. Check out who passed the legislation to start this subprime lending to people that had no means of paying back the loans – that would be your Congress. It’s way past time to throw them out, starting with the leadership.
Posted by: tiaa | September 26, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
It is fitting that it was Lindsey Graham would reach into his bag of tricks and pull out “Acorn.” In politics, an acorn is what a blind pig occaisionally finds. Please note I did not use “lipstick” in this reference.
Posted by: ricky | September 26, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Just look at Judd Gregg’s campaign finances and the PAC money he has taken this cycle alone. The number one PAC he is getting money from is financial services and real estate.
Posted by: Disgusted in NH | September 26, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
The Republican controlled Congress, along with Bush, deregulated the banking industry. Treasury Secretary Paulson (R) was the CEO of Goldman Sachs. He has millions invested in the stock market.
They believe in trickle down economics, also called voo doo economics, an ideology created by their hero Milton Friedman. Friedman hated the New Deal. For those of you who don’t know, the New Deal saved America from the Great depression brought about by Republican Herbert Hoover.
Until American voters get a clue and vote out Republicans, we will have these economic problems. They are crooks.
Posted by: McHooverville | September 26, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
tiaa: That’s more conservative bunk. The legislation for the sub-prime loans was designed to set up mortgages that low-income folks COULD afford to pay. Greedy lenders, builders and realtors applied these standards to everyone and did all the bad lending. Are you suggesting that all these people in congress have side jobs in real-estate?
Posted by: Loki | September 26, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Re: “lending to people that had no means of paying back the loans”
That’s not all true. Some of these people could pay, but they got variable rate loans instead of fixed rate loans. That means their payments could go up depending on the interest rates. One month their payment was $1,500, the next month $2,000. Plus they fell into negative equity, so they couldn’t refinance. That’s not the homeowners fault.
Democrats want judges to give homeowners fixed rate loans to keep them in their homes, but the Republicans in Congress oppose it. They don’t want people to keep their homes. That way they can buy them up cheap.
Posted by: McHooverville | September 26, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
“…their payments could go up depending on the interest rates. One month their payment was $1,500, the next month $2,000. Plus they fell into negative equity, so they couldn’t refinance. That’s not the homeowners fault”
These people signed a document (lots of them actually) that told them your payment will change depending on interest rates. If they couldn’t cover the highs as well as the lows, they shouldn’t have signed. If they couldn’t understand what they were signing, they shouldn’t have signed.
Posted by: Home | September 26, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
“You are just repeating what all the conservative blogs are writing about today after Sen. Graham yesterday said this to Greta van Susteren.”
Original thought is hard to come by these days.
Posted by: Ryan C | September 26, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Ryan C–ACORNs sister org is the ACORN housing Corporation, a Housing Trust Fund. The Democrats added to the bill that 20% of the $700 billion be set aside to the Housing Trust Fund, with 65% of that 20% to go to ACORN. This is a waste of the taxpayers money because ACORN housing has not been proven to benefit anyone but themselves. ACORN is also being investigated for voter fraud.
ACORN as you know is one of Obama’s organizations.
Posted by: S Adams | September 26, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm
Don’t the dems have the votes to pass it without any republicans? If so, just pass it. They are the majority in both houses, right?
Posted by: NOT4ME | September 26, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
len:
re: “”Its Orwell come to life.”
if there’s a political party that comes close to ‘Big Brother’… it’s yer buddies the Republicans…
have you checked the Bush spying on Americans policies recently….
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
snipped
From the Wall Street Joournal, Sept.26
________________
“The difference between Barack Obama and John McCain was apparent during the White House meeting yesterday where Barack Obama’s priority was political posturing in his opening monologue defending the package as it stands. ”
“John McCain listened to all sides so he could help focus the debate on finding a bipartisan resolution.”
Posted by: just thinking: | September 26, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
len:
re: “”Its Orwell come to life.”
if there’s a political party that comes close to ‘Big Brother’… it’s yer buddies the Republicans…
have you checked the Bush spying on Americans policies recently….
what about the people over here to destroy America?…They have to have there civil rights, I forgot. After all we know they are all law abiding citizens. It’s called keeping america safe 9/11/2001 … Never again.
Posted by: NOT4ME | September 26, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
REX,
I thought the dems were the majority the last 2 years?????
Again, get your facts straight.
Posted by: NOT4ME | September 26, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
“Ryan C–ACORNs sister org is the ACORN housing Corporation, a Housing Trust Fund. The Democrats added to the bill that 20% of the $700 billion be set aside to the Housing Trust Fund, with 65% of that 20% to go to ACORN. This is a waste of the taxpayers money because ACORN housing has not been proven to benefit anyone but themselves.”
20% of the profits (not taxpayer money) is to go the the National Housing Trust Fund. While I am sure ACORN will apply for grants from that fund, your 65% number is simply made up.
“ACORN is also being investigated for voter fraud.”
Dozens of members of the Republican party from aides to Congressmen and Senators are indicted for corruption charges, should we therefore assume the entire Republican party is corrupt?
“ACORN as you know is one of Obama’s organizations.”
He served as legal council for them 15 years ago.
And I am sure they are supportive of him.
But I hardly think you can call ACORN his organization
Posted by: Ryan C | September 26, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Not4Me
that’s why I specifically indicated “Bush spying on Americans” … and hopefully he will be charged with his crimes and brought to court to stand trial.
You are typically Republican, as you don’t ever read what’s in front of your nose before you start regurgitating talking point nonsense.
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Rex,
Obama’s campaign has talked about repealing the Patriot Act. However, both Obama and Biden voted for the Patriot Act.
Posted by: NOT4ME | September 26, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Re: “Don’t the dems have the votes to pass it without any republicans?”
The Republicans need to help clean up the mess they’ve made. I think they want a crash. They get off on creating fear and destruction.
GW is the worst President in US history.
Posted by: McHooverville | September 26, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm
Re: “However, both Obama and Biden voted for the Patriot Act.”
They can still repeal it, and I hope they do.
Posted by: McHooverville | September 26, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Not4Me:
to my original ‘Big Brother’ reference:
As noted above, Obama voted to reauthorize the USA PATRIOT Act, which extended the Act, …
but with some amendments. Such amendments would clarify the rights of an individual who has received FISA orders to challenge nondisclosure requirements and to refuse disclosure of the name of their attorney.
He voted against extending the USA PATRIOT Act’s Wiretap Provision on March 1, 2006. This bill would give the FBI the authority to conduct “roving wiretaps” and access to business records.
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
The Republicans need to help clean up the mess they’ve made. I think they want a crash. They get off on creating fear and destruction.
If the dems pass it the dems can take all the credit for cleaning up the mess?
It would make them look like they really do care about the average American, which we know is just bugus.
Posted by: shameonu | September 26, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
enjoy the debate..
I hope issues get discussed in detail
Mission Accomplished
Posted by: Rex | September 26, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm