By Nitya

Sep 30, 2008 9:07am

RNC Misrepresents Obama Quote

Last week we pointed out that the Obama campaign was misrepresenting a quote from House Minority Whip Roy Blunt, R-Mo., taking a quote of his out of context to make it seem like he was saying something he wasn’t.

The RNC did the same to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., yesterday.

An alert went out from the Republican National Committee’s Alex Conant yesterday suggesting that Obama praised the fundamentals of the economy even in the very same speech when he was hammering McCain, for praising the fundamentals of the U.S. economy as strong.

"Obama said it is the U.S. economy’s ‘long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows’," the RNC’s Alex Conant told reporters, "even after attacking John McCain for saying the same thing earlier in the speech."

Not so.

Obama in Westminster, Colo., yesterday did say that "Senator McCain just doesn’t get it – he doesn’t get that this crisis on Wall Street hit Main Street a long time ago. That’s why his first response to the greatest fiscal meltdown in generations was to say that the ‘fundamentals of the economy are strong,’ and why he didn’t say the words ‘middle-class’ once in an entire 90-minute debate."

But Obama’s quote about fundamentals making the economy grow has been youtubed out of context:

When Obama said “after this immediate problem, we’ve got the long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows," he was not talking about the fundamentals of the economy being strong. He was talking about the fundamentals of his economic plan.

Here’s the full context:

"We don’t just need a plan for bankers and investors, we need a plan for autoworkers and teachers and small business owners," Obama said. "I have said it before and I’ll say it again:  we need to pass, after this immediate crisis is over, an economic stimulus plan.  Right now.  For working families – a plan that will help folks cope with rising food and gas prices, that can save one million jobs by rebuilding our schools and our roads, and help states and cities avoid budget cuts and tax increases.   A plan that would extend expiring unemployment benefits.  For those Americans who have lost their jobs and have been working hard to find a new one, but haven’t found one yet.  That’s part of the change we need. 

"And then after this immediate problem," Obama continued, "we’ve got the long-term fundamentals that will really make sure this economy grows. Change means a tax code that doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it,  but the American workers and small businesses that deserve it.  As President I am going to eliminate capital gains taxes for small businesses and start-ups.  That’s how we’ll grow our economy and create the high-wage, high-tech jobs of tomorrow. I will cut taxes – cut taxes – but not the way John McCain does things.  I’ll cut taxes for 95% of all working families."

Bad oppo.

- jpt

User Comments

Jake,
Could this so called financial melt-down be nothing more that the RNC doing two things:
1. Recap of Keaton 5, failure, but this time being a success
2. Preparing the country to move to a republican control in 2012 election,,(handing Obama such a mess he will most definitely fail to resolve).
Just my thoughts.

Posted by: Underdog | September 30, 2008, 9:22 am 9:22 am

Well, It seems that McCain may prove right with his idea that the “fundamentals” are sound. No bailout bill yesterday and the sky is falling crowd is still screaming and…. oh LOOK! The market is up! Uh oh… ;)
and the people will believe the lie…

Posted by: wales | September 30, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

When asked about the potential for a nationwide depression, Palin responded, “In Alaska, many people are depressed during the cold winters. That’s experience I have that our opponents don’t. I think Prosac works well for many.” Please tell me this is a misquote.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | September 30, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

The Republicans noticed McCain’s poll numbers dropping and Obama running away with the election, so their grasping at straws to stop the wave of the big M Obama has.

Posted by: Vanessa | September 30, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

lies lies and more lies
8 years
have we not had enough of this cra#
throw these bums out…now.

Posted by: dl | September 30, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

I will never vote democrat again.
Posted by: Cultural Amnesia
***************************************** You never have, so why make up stories?
What do you think would happen if you displayed some honesty?
Be courageous, don’t hide behind fabrications

Posted by: Truth Matters | September 30, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

Like the Obama media networks and his campaign have never misrepresented a single thing in the past year and a half!
Kettle calling the pot black.

Posted by: Kurt | September 30, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

Obama controls CNN, ABC and MSNBC. His campaign pays for the stories and the so-called polls. How else would you expect them to turn out?
The one thing the slime doesn’t control is me and millions more like me.

Posted by: Gavin | September 30, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Does the Republican Party have any credibility left?

Posted by: Thinking | September 30, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

WHAT exactly does a “community organizer” do? Barack Obama’s rise has left many Americans asking themselves that question. Here’s a big part of the answer: Community organizers intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to customers with poor credit.
In the name of fairness to minorities, community organizers occupy private offices, chant inside bank lobbies, and confront executives at their homes – and thereby force financial institutions to direct hundreds of millions of dollars in mortgages to low-credit customers.
In other words, community organizers help to undermine the US economy by pushing the banking system into a sinkhole of bad loans. And Obama has spent years training and funding the organizers who do it.

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

Obama is just another politician running for president. He is no change and no messiah. although a lot of his supporters think he is the second coming.
Obama lies every chance he gets because he knows the media never check a damn thing he says.
oh well. he will lose and i will laugh

Posted by: Krist | September 30, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

The government has taken everything away from me — healthcare that won’t pay for a pre-existing condition so who cares if I get health insurance or not —taxes, income, property, non-edible groceries, gasoline, taxes on my withdrawals from 401k, taxes on anything I inherit, sales taxes, interest on money owed to IRS.
WHAT DO I CARE IF THE ECONOMY FAILS ???

Posted by: WrongAddress | September 30, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

Apparently the economic crisis is so great that Congress took a few days off and 0bama couldn’t be bothered to make a single phone call to sway his party members.
****************************************
I am sure you are right there and know. Your credibility is as high as the Republican Party. Game is over.

Posted by: Thinking | September 30, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

Sorry you are feeling so bad about the General Election looking like it’s going to Obama. But you have to realize that the pendulum swings both ways. We had to put up with this horrendous, damaging, inept, destructive, lying, cheating, bullying, incompetent, fear-mongering, loathsome Bush/Cheney Administration for 8 very long years – now its our turn.

Posted by: geecee | September 30, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

How many civics lessons did you people miss? Obama didn’t have to call anyone…the Dems had all the votes they agreed to deliver for this BIpartisan bill!
The Dems provide “X” amount of votes, and the Repubs provide “Y” amount.
Bush and McCain were the ones who had to bring people on board! The Dems made good on their end of the DEAL!
Remember that the parties were supposed to be working together on this???
Learn a little about how government works and then you can bitch and moan.

Posted by: Greg | September 30, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Obama has been living by using McCain out of context (100 years war, houses, etc), yet nary a word about it by hacks like Tapper. Just look at last months factcheck article on it.
Did McCain say the economy was hunky dory? No. The full quote which Obama hates to use is “Our economy, I think, is still — the fundamentals of our economy are strong, but these are very, very difficult times,”. Did Jake complain about that? Course not, he would’ve upset his masters at the obama campaign.

Posted by: Zaggs | September 30, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Greg, you do know that the dems have the majority. All They needed to do was convince their own people, which they did not do.

Posted by: vicki | September 30, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

The GOP is trying to find some sort of chink in Obama’s economic advantage. If they have to revert to misrepresentations, so be it.

Posted by: matt | September 30, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Tuesday—the first update with results based entirely upon interviews conducted following the first Presidential Debate–shows Barack Obama attracting 51% of the vote while John McCain earns 45%. Obama opened a five-point lead heading into Friday’s debate and has retained a five or six point edge every day since.

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | September 30, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Why would you want him to sway people if this was wrong for the tax payer….I am glad he didn’t ,we are going to pay but at least we have another chance to be protected Good for him ….

Posted by: indp voter | September 30, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Obama could not call Demo. House Reps. and encourage them to pass the bail out bill. Obama is a SENATOR!!!!! The House Reps. are beneath him. They should call him if needed.

Posted by: Dan | September 30, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

THE seeds of today’s financial meltdown lie in the Community Reinvestment Act – a law passed in 1977 and made riskier by unwise amendments and regulatory rulings in later decades.
CRA was meant to encourage banks to make loans to high-risk borrowers, often minorities living in unstable neighborhoods. That has provided an opening to radical groups like ACORN (the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now) to abuse the law by forcing banks to make hundreds of millions of dollars in “subprime” loans to often uncreditworthy poor and minority customers.
Any bank that wants to expand or merge with another has to show it has complied with CRA – and approval can be held up by complaints filed by groups like ACORN.
In fact, intimidation tactics, public charges of racism and threats to use CRA to block business expansion have enabled ACORN to extract hundreds of millions of dollars in loans and contributions from America’s financial institutions.
Banks already overexposed by these shaky loans were pushed still further in the wrong direction when government-sponsored Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac began buying up their bad loans and offering them for sale on world markets.

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Ohio – Regardless of how bad a job Obama/Biden could do, it can never come close to the mess Bush/Cheney have gotten us into. This has to be the worse in history. Grow up and face reality.

Posted by: geecee | September 30, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am

I am so sick, tired, and angry about the RNC and the Republican candidates lying their way through every campaign and policy. When will they be held accountable for their lies and the lives they have ruined!?

Posted by: Susanna | September 30, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

The though of 4 more years of the Bush/McCain economic mess should scare the hell out of anyone.
Not to mention, failed wars, lack of response to Katrina, and the pick of Sarah Palin! That was the last straw.
In an effort to placate Rush Limbaugh, McCain picked someone so totally unqualified for VP that it staggers the mind. And McCain wants to discuss judgment?
McCain has lost his honor.

Posted by: Gus | September 30, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

Imagine our surprise that the repubs are attempting anything right now to change the conversation. It worked last week when the MSM stopped hamnmering Rick Davis and now they hope this will work to change about McCains failures, including his close relationship with Rick Davis. Both are now nothing more than liars.

Posted by: Debbie | September 30, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

Concerned – what was he supposed to do hover? He served on no pertinate commities and would have been in the way as MCCain was.

Posted by: community organizer | September 30, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

BARACK’S ‘ORGANIZER’ BUDS PUSHED FOR BAD MORTGAGES
LOOK AT “NEW YORK POST” FOR STANLEY KURTZ STORY

Posted by: Kirsten Powers | September 30, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Fannie and Freddie acted in response to Clinton administration pressure to boost homeownership rates among minorities and the poor. However compassionate the motive, the result of this systematic disregard for normal credit standards has been financial disaster.
ONE key pioneer of ACORN’s subprime-loan shakedown racket was Madeline Talbott – an activist with extensive ties to Barack Obama. She was also in on the ground floor of the disastrous turn in Fannie Mae’s mortgage policies.
Long the director of Chicago ACORN, Talbott is a specialist in “direct action” – organizers’ term for their militant tactics of intimidation and disruption. Perhaps her most famous stunt was leading a group of ACORN protesters breaking into a meeting of the Chicago City Council to push for a “living wage” law, shouting in defiance as she was arrested for mob action and disorderly conduct. But her real legacy may be her drive to push banks into making risky mortgage loans.

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

Hey Mr Coffee:
5 Point lead and you are excited about this? With all that mess going on, and Obama and the Dems trying to blame McCain you would think the spread would be 15 Points! I think you lefties should start to worry, McCain being this close with everything going on does not bode well for Obama! If Obama does not have a 10 point spread going into election day he is going to walk away election night a loser, he already is one but we dont have time to go there!

Posted by: chuck | September 30, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

Obama: As I have said before. As I have said before. As I have said before. As I have said before. As I have said before. POLLY WANT A CRACKER? After a year and a half it’s getting old. Could he a least change that to As I have stated before.

Posted by: Dan | September 30, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

So how is that “out of context” any more than what they did to poor McCain’s original statement. McCain said the economy’s fundamentals were strong but that we were in serious trouble and people were hurting. Obama and company turned around and slammed him as out of touch and unaware that the economy was in the tank. What he was doing was reassuring people that the long-term health of the economy could be restored because we have a fundamentally strong economic system. He was NOT saying that we were not in a terrible situation or that the economy was doing okay at the moment. But he was hammered day after day out of context. Now Obama uses similar language in a similar way and you want me to feel bad because he’s being quoted “out of context”? And MR. Tapper personally wants to sound even-handed because he talked about the Democrats taking Blount out of context. How about addressing the original statement by McCain and how IT got twisted? Acknowledge that and then we’ll talk about giving equal sympathy to Obama.

Posted by: GetReal | September 30, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

Getreal,
Obama:
Fundamentals=his economic plan
McCain:
Fundamentals=”American worker”
Read the whole story and you’ll see the misrepresentation.

Posted by: In the dark | September 30, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

There is something wrong in this country when white people are accused of racism because they won’t vote for a black man who spent 20 years in an anti-white, anti-Semitic church. Why is it that white racism is condemned, while black racism is somehow justified? If John McCain belonged to a church where black people were ridiculed on a regular basis, he would have been crucified by the press – the same press that openly promotes the candidacy of Barack Obama. Now the press has stepped up stories about how racism might possibly cost Obama the presidency. Never mind his radical associations, his ruthless campaign tactics, his lack of experience, his propensity for voting present rather than taking a stand on the issues. None of these flaws seem to matter to the America media and the Obama surrogates. If you don’t vote for Obama, you’re a racist – period. Fine, call me a racist. I’m still not voting for Obama, after 30 years of voting for Democratic candidates.

Posted by: Ex-Democrat | September 30, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

“The DNC has turned into something I no longer recognize and it is disgraceful.”
Sad but so. To defeat evil, they became evil and so lost the very prize that was their’s to take.
As a lifelong Democrat, it is hard to watch, but during the Hillary – Obama contest, the Obama supporters said they needed to get rid of ilk like you and me, so at least they’ve done that.
Idiocracy? People should see the movie. It has ‘electrolytes’. The funny thing is people believe it is about what happens when smart people quit trying to lead. It is actually about the fact that an average person can lead if they do the right thing and they usually do. Looking at the financial mess, I think it time we quit selecting the slicks from the Big Ten schools and start electing someone who has built a life by their own determination and not their breeders.
Go Palin. We’re rooting for you because we’re not clinging to bitterness but a belief in the greatness of the American people who when ably and honestly led have always achieved what they set out to achieve.

Posted by: len | September 30, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

ACORN and Barack Obama have only done good deeds for the poor and under represented in this sick society.

Posted by: bill ayres | September 30, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

I would really like to see a complete investigative report regarding EXACTLY what Obama did during his “Community Organizer” days.
The MSM has been right on top of every move Sarah Palin made while Mayor of Wasilla and Governor of Alaska, but has been sorely lacking in coverage of the “experience” Obama claims from these days.
Many reports have come out over the last couple of days regarding his work for ACORN in Chicago, where he was trained as a militant activist in applying pressure on banks and lending agencies in the interest of acquiring home loans for people who could not really afford them.
Could the MSM please check into this so the American public knows exactly how much of a role that Obama’s Community Organizing has played in the present economic crisis?

Posted by: SandyB | September 30, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am

At war the first casualty is the truth. At this electoral race the truth has been killed by McCain and the Republicans .

Posted by: foreclosure | September 30, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Len – Could care less about ACORN. Sounds like a slimmy operation anyway. As someone who in her job relys on community organizers to help her clients I am very protective of the people that volunteer their time, talent,donate their monies etc to help those who are less fortunate. Community organizers are the back bone of this country. They are the churches, the civic organizations, the only source of help and support some people get. They are the little league teams, the poll workers, the homeless shelters, the abuse shelters for women and cildren. Theya re Toys for Tots and Boy and Girl Scouts. the list goes on and on. ACORN is just a nut on the tree. Do not sut down the whole tree because of a nut or two. Bushes yes Trees no.

Posted by: community organizer | September 30, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

I totally understand the hard work and dedication of true community organizers.
Apparently Obama made his a one-time career, and was associated with ACORN for about three years.
I mean no offense to true community organizers. From what I have heard, I just feel that Obama might have conducted strong-arm tactics for ACORN under the quise of “community organizer,” and if this is true, the American people need to know about it before the election.

Posted by: SandyB | September 30, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

I just read a comment on RCP and the ACORN “donation” may not have been taken out of the Bailout Bill, only the percentages. Here’s the comment:
“The set-aside for ACORN was NOT removed from the revised bill that was rejected. The name and % were removed, but the support was not:
Sec 103: (6) providing financial assistance to financial
21 institutions, including those serving low- and mod
22erate-income populations and other underserved
23 communities, and that have assets less than
24 $1,000,000,000, that were well or adequately cap25
italized as of June 30, 2008.”
Just like Prego “It’s In There”!!!

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

“Why is it that white racism is condemned, while black racism is somehow justified?”
“Anti-White” racism as you put it is not a sense of “I’m better than you” that blacks are subjugated with but “You enslaved my people and I haven’t forgotten.” Sadly, given the racial inequities that exist to this day, this is not something that can easily be forgiven and forgotten.

Posted by: In the dark | September 30, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

“Well, I think there are a whole host of areas where Republicans in some cases may have a better idea. Well, on issues of regulation. I think that back in the ’60s and ’70s a lot of the way we regulated industry was top-down command and control, we’re going to tell businesses exactly how to do things. . . And you know, I think that the Republican Party and people who thought about the markets came up with the notion that, “You know what? If you simply set some guidelines, some rules and incentives, for businesses — let them figure out how they’re going to, for example, reduce pollution.”
Mmmm WHO SAID THAT???

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am

So this was the lie Concerned in OH was peddling yesterday.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

What are these “fundamentals” going to cost? Where is Obama going to get the funds to pay for them? TAXES.
Yeah, great way to grow the economy.
You are parsing Jake. Using the term fundamentals the way he has in this quote is an incorrect usage. The RNC was not wrong.

Posted by: Brenda | September 30, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am

I’ll cut taxes for 95% of all working families.”———-Barry
Yippy!!!
BUT BUT BUT BUT WHO WILL HAVE A JOB???

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Yes, I want to make a comment, first why di we not go after the Ems with this true comment:
TO ALL FRIENDS…. LIBERAL OR CONSERVATIVE—-FYI.
george bush has been office for
7.5 years. the first six the economy was fine.
A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO:
(1) CONSUMER CONFIDENCE STOOD AT A 2.5 YEAR HIGH;
(2) REGULAR GASOLINE SOLD FOR $2.19 A GALLON;
(3) THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS 4.5 %
(4) THE DOW JONES HIT A RECORD HIGH –14,000+
(5) AMERICAN’S WERE BUYING NEW CARS,
TAKING CRUISES, VACATIONS OVERSEAS, LIVING LARGE!….
BUT AMERICAN’S WANTED ‘CHANGE’! SO, IN 2006 THEY VOTED IN A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS AND YES–WE GOT ‘CHANGE’ ALL RIGHT. IN THE PAST YEAR:
(1) CONSUMER CONFIDENCE HAS PLUMMETED;
(2) GASOLINE IS NOW OVER $4.00 A GALLON & CLIMBING;
(3) UNEMPLOYMENT IS UP TO 5.5 % ( 10% INCREASE);
(4) AMERICANS HAVE SEEN THEIR HOME EQUITY DROP BY $12 TRILLION DOLLARS AND PRICES STILL DROPPING;
(5) 1% OF AMERICAN HOMES ARE IN FORECLOSURE.
(6) AS I WRITE, THE DOW IS PROBING ANOTHER LOW—$2.5 TRILLON DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
YES, IN 2006 AMERICAVVOTED FOR CHANGE… AND WE SURE GOT IT!…
REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS.
AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!!!
JUST HOW MUCH MORE ‘CHANGE’ DO WE THINK YOU CAN STAND?
NOW WHY DON’T WE TELL THIS TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE?
THANK YOU, RONALD JONES

Posted by: Ronald Jones | September 30, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Never has one man gone so far on so little…Obama 08

Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Like Donald Trump said and he is a very smart man, WHY do we have to buy the failed mortgages? THOSE that have already failed are FAILURES, buying them out is not going to change that! I am SICK and TIRED of OBAMA not TAKING a position and only referring to this in his stump speeches, and again I heard he will ONLY vote PRESENT? WTF? WE will have a President that can not take a stance? Then McCain gets castigated for doing his job as a Senator! HOW DARE these PEOPLE! AND CHRIS DODD and NANCY PELOSI make me wanna hurl! SHE is an utter FOOL! HOW did they EXPECT MCCAIN to MAKE the REPUBLICANS vote like he wanted anymore than OBAMA could make the DEMOCRATS VOTE like him, except he is gonna vote PRESENT! I am sick of the division caused by the Democrats I thought they were the PARTY of UNITY? THIS is a DISGRACE, now I KNOW why BILL CLINTON keeps tooting McCain’s horn!

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

“I’ll cut taxes for 95% of all working families.”———-Barry
Yippy!!!
BUT BUT BUT BUT WHO WILL HAVE A JOB???”
Don’t you worry about that, the Government will support us all with welfare and foodstamps!

Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

One part of Obama’s resume from his “community organizing” days is somehow always omitted from his campaign rhetoric.
In 1995, Obama, as ACORN’s attorney, filed a lawsuit on their behalf to have the “Motor Voter” laws in Illinois implemented.
The “Motor Voter” laws permitted “mail-in” voter registrations, which means people could simply “mail in” their voter registration cards without having any in-person contact with an election official or voter registrar. Critics of these laws have argued that such practices have lead to extensive voter fraud.
Obama won his lawsuit, and went on to further employment with ACORN as a staff “trainer.”

Posted by: SandyB | September 30, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

“the American Dream” …

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

The question to almighty Obama remains. Just HOW do you plan to pay for all of this?

Posted by: RL in Illinois | September 30, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

RL in Illinois
Get the money from the rich. Regulate, do all the things Bush should of did to evade this crisis. Spending got us out of the Great Depression. It can get us out of this mess it the spending goes to job creation. Eg. Green jobs, Infrastructure.

Posted by: MM | September 30, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Underdog, you are SO cynical. No, the financial meltdown is NOT an RNC plot. Be serious. Do you really think the Republicans are capable of that level of Machiavellian stategery– destroying the economy in 2008 in order to hand the mess to the Democrats who they assume will win this fall as a result, all in order to get control in 2012? I know the Republican leadership is less than thrilled to have McCain as their standard bearer but don’t get silly.
Now, to address Jake’s report about Obama. Funny, when McCain said the fundamentals of the economy were strong, he was trying to be reassuring. That’s what leaders do in times of crisis– you can find quotes from financial and political leaders saying basically the same thing going back for generations. He also said the fundamentals are strong , but that the economy is suffering and people are struggling. That was ignored by the Democrats and their supporters in the media who allowed them to openly mock him and quote only the first part of his sentence and crow that he does not understand the economic reality. Now the same thing is being done to Obama, or so Tapper claims, and I think that’s okay. Obama basically said the same thing McCain said, but when he does, folks scream “look at the context.” McCain was not given that courtesy. Just more childishness from the political folks. THis must stop.

Posted by: moderate | September 30, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

moderate
Don’t try to cover for McCain. The he did say it and it showed his lack of understanding of economic issues. Obama was talking about the future. McCain was talking about now. A huge difference.

Posted by: MM | September 30, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am

“Gambling in Casablanca? I’m shocked.”

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | September 30, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

The economy under Bush was never fine.. Enron and other Corporate Scandles were just the tip of this ice berg of things to come which are happening now.. It’s called Lax Leadership, Greed and Deregulation. While Bush/McCain were fixated on Wars, one inwhich we should be in, our economy was slowly being destroyed from within.. Now the GOP wants to point the finger at everyone but themselves.. As always!

Posted by: dvine | September 30, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

Barack Obama spent Monday night in Reno, Nevada talking with officials in Washington and advisors on the failure of the economic bailout plan in Congress. -CNN
This while McCain was attacking Obama and Democrats publicly, politicizing the bailout. What you do when your alone with the cameras off really tells you about the candidate.

Posted by: MM | September 30, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

BTW does anybody know where Palin’s baby is these days?
Where did she drop that poor little Trig?

Posted by: megan | September 30, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

“The ACORN workers told state investigators that they went to the Seattle public library, sat at a table and filled out the voter registration forms. They made up names, addresses, and Social Security numbers and in some cases plucked names from the phone book. One worker said it was a lot of hard work making up all those names and another said he would sit at home, smoke marijuana and fill out the forms.”

Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

“I’ll cut taxes for 95% of all working families.”
Can someone provide the definition of “working family” for me? Can someone tell me what percentage of “working families” currently pay no income tax at all? Can someone direct me to a chart of somekind where I can lookup what my taxes will be next year under the Obama plan?

Posted by: Woody | September 30, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Obama proposes raising the FDIC to 250,000 before McCain proposes it. McCain following Obama’s lead on the economy.

Posted by: MM | September 30, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Woody
It cuts taxes for 95% of families that are working (below 250,000 income). The tax cuts in total goes to 81% of America. There was a real good analysis of the two plans last week that showed that the majority of McCains cuts went to the wealth above 200,000. Obama’s was actually more responsible being it taxes higher income and gives more to the middle and lower class. Obama’s tax plans ends up being cheaper then McCain’s

Posted by: MM | September 30, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Barack Obama warned that John Mccain going to Washington would be interjecting presidential politics in to the bail out negotiations! He goes and he interjects partisan politics! This crisis has been covered up on purpose! Held to create a sense of urgency! Now, John Mccain wants to show leadership! He has been in Washingto for 26 years, and his leadership in deregulation and a free market without oversight is now fortelling. John Mccain suddenly wants to go to Washington D C, where he has been an deregulator for 20 yrs! He has a unique situation, his policies and lobbyist friends are responsible for this mess in the first place! He had an opportunity for over 20 years, to fight for regulation, oversight and less lobbyist influence in Washinton, but he chose to go with his republican party 90% of the time, which is a major reason for this debacle! This is just another political stunt by John Mccain to grab a spotlight! He and his party was for the Iraq War! Which has cost Americans taxpayers1 trillion dollars! He wants credit for a surge that is incomplete, but no credit for costing taxpayers 1 trillion dollars or for supporting going after Sadamm Hussein instead using the full might of our military, to go after Bin Laden!
His hindsight like the surge and stopping his campaign after the fact to fix his judgment errors in policy illuminates his inadequacies and ignorance! We need a proactive president who forsees major problems and have the wisdom to safeguard America’s interest! We have seen this urgent demand for congress to move and the people of America to follow this president’s judgement quickly without inspection, oversight and scrutiny! Remember the Iraq resolution to go to War, the Patriot Act that took away many civilian rights and violated the privacy of ordinary Americans! I do not TRUST THE REPUBLICANS AND GEORGE BUSH AND THAT INCLUDES JOHN MCCAIN! REMEMBER MCCAIN AND BUSH HAS BEEN SAYING THE FUNDAMENTALS OF THIS ECONOMY IS STRONG! I AM TIRED OF REPUBLICAN’S ONLY INTEREST IS IF BARACK OBAMA WILL ADMIT THE SURGE WORKED OR NOT! WELL, WHEN WILL THE REPUBLICANS ADMIT THEIR POLICY OF DEREGULATION, NO OVERSIGHT, TAXCUTS FOR WALL STREET AND COWBOY DIPLOMACY HAS NOT WORKED, THAT HAS COST TAXPAYERS. IRAQ WAR COST 7OO BILLION SO FAR, BAILOUT 700 BILLION, AIG 80 BILLION, 2.3 TRILLION IN SURPLUS DRIED UP, AND NOW UNDER THEIR WATCH OUR COUNTRY HAS A DEFICIT OF OVER 9 TRILLION DOLLARS IN EIGHT YEARS! JOHN MCCAIN APPROVED AND SIGNED HIS APPROVAL FOR THESE BILLS AND POLICY DECISIONS 95% OF THE TIME! SO THE WAY I SEE IT HE AND THE REPUBLICANS ARE RESONSIBLE FOR THIS FINANCIAL MESS ON WALL STREET AND MAIN STREET!

Posted by: everym | September 30, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Two-faced Newt-this is why the republican brand is toast:
Andrea Mitchell, NBC Reporter
MSNBC’s Morning Joe 9/30/2008
Andrea Mitchell said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe that former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich,, worked very hard behind the scenes to kill the bailout plan, despite issuing a statement that he would have supported the legislation if where still in Congress
Mitchell Said:
“I am told reliably by leading Republicans who are close to him. He was whipping against this up until the last minute…. Newt Gingrich was telling people in the strongest possible language that this was a terrible deal, not only that it was a terrible deal., that it was a disaster it was the end of democracy as we know it that it was socialism, and then at the last minute comes out with a statement when the vote was already in play”

Posted by: Nan | September 30, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

Cultural Amnesia
Obama told voters at a campaign event in Denver, Colorado, that it’s important to “stay calm, because things are never smooth in Congress.”
“There are going to be some bumps and trials and tribulations and ups and downs before we get this rescue package done,” he said. “I’m confident that we are going to get there, but it’s going to be a little rocky.”
Who is really politicizing the bailout failure? Hint it’s not Obama.

Posted by: MM | September 30, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Newt is getting ready to run in 2012.
Apparently they eat their young on top of everything else.

Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 30, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

“Andrea Mitchell, NBC Reporter”
You lost me after NBC reporter. Do they still have “reporters” over there?

Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

McCain trying to win an election. Obama trying to prevent an economic crisis. Say what you will about the bailout but the Republicans haven’t offered any alternative and have instead resorted to attacks. I guess that is leadership Republicans can believe in.

Posted by: MM | September 30, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm

Republicans: A Divided Party?
Republicans egged on this economic crisis and applied every lever of the Shock Doctrine in an effort to turn it to their advantage. They created it, they stoked it, they owned it, and they desperately tried to make it work for them, but this time the flames of fear got out of their control. Unable to game out their next move, and facing an electorate that sees them as worse than useless, House Republicans scattered in all directions. Yesterday, in a self-confessed fit of snit, they walked away from the table because that mean lady hurt their feelings. And where is the republican leadership?
What will they do today?
Stay tuned…..

Posted by: Nan | September 30, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Democrats offered Republicans a say every step of the way. Republicans want it all or nothing, the truth of the matter they want credit for solving the crisis but don’t want to take the blame for causing it.

Posted by: MM | September 30, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

“Andrea Mitchell said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe … “

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

MM,
Do you remember where you read that analysis? Please don’t point me to Obama’s site or CNN Money. I need an impartial source.

Posted by: Woody | September 30, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

Funny how right wingers want to talk about ACORN.
Shall we discuss the dozens of Republican Congressmen and staff caught in the Abramoff scandal?
Or how about Tom Delay?
Or Duke Cunningham?
Or Jim Doolittle?
Or Duncan Hunter?

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

I get that, CO, but ACORN is under investigation and indictment across the country. This is not community organizing as one thinks of it. This is straight up old fashioned voter fraud Chicago style. Obama is in this up to his neck. The bailout bill was stuffed with pork for it. This is very close to if not already criminal conspiracy to commit fraud.
The MSM can ignore it but the FBI can’t.

Posted by: len | September 30, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

“The Democrats killed any regulation of Fannie Mae. So what to Obama supporters say to that?”
That was different! Fannie, Freddie and Obama.

Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

John McCain railed against Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac on the campaign trail today, saying that the CEOs that led the lenders to ruin “deserve nothing” and should have to pay back their severance packages. In an Wall Street Journal op-ed co-bylined by his vice presidential pick, Sarah Palin, McCain suggested bold reforms for Fannie and Freddie that would “terminate future lobbying, which was one of the primary contributors to this great debacle.”
If that’s the case, McCain should look first to his campaign staffers as the cause of that debacle. One of them was Fannie Mae’s head of lobbying, and spread tens of millions of dollars around Washington in the form of lobbying contracts. A number of McCain staffers were on the receiving end of those contracts, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars each from the lenders to rep their interests. And McCain’s campaign manager served as president of a lobbying association that fought to protect Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae from the sort of regulation that McCain is now proposing.

Posted by: Nan | September 30, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

“I get that, CO, but ACORN is under investigation and indictment across the country.”
So are a dozen members of the Republican party that served in the Senate or House to say nothing of the score of aides also under indictment.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

Woody,
The Tax Policy Center is your best bet for impartial analysis.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

sandy what if your are old or sick and shut in. Shouldn’t you still have the right to vote?

Posted by: community organizer | September 30, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

“The Democrats killed any regulation of Fannie Mae. So what to Obama supporters say to that?”
How did Democrats kill any regulation when Republicans controlled Congress?

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

“We totally believe you’re a Democrat, Cultural Amnesia.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

“Why is that hard to believe? Not EVERY Democrat is on board with the hijacked “leadership” and its Republican-lite nominee, especially nominal Democrats who want to keep being members of Congress”
So in response to a Republican lite a disillusioned Democrat offers steadfast defense of FoxNews?
LOL

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

“a disillusioned Democrat offers steadfast defense of FoxNews?”

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

Yesterday’s bill was a bad bill. My Dem representative voted against it, and I am glad he did. It was a lousy bill. The republicans could have simply said “We do not support a flawed bill” and they would not be accused today of being whiners looking for their binkies. Grow up, please. Put country first instead of greed first.
The bill allowed banks to have zero reserves. Did you know that? And that is just one reason it was BAD.

Posted by: Nan | September 30, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

McCain is going up with a new national 60 second ad. It is excellent! And perfect timing!
Will Obama throw Bill Clinton under the bus, again? Bill Clinton tells it like it is in this ad.
A vote for McCain-Palin is a vote for Hillary Clinton in 2012!
NOBAMA!!
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary 2012

Posted by: USVet | September 30, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

The new McCain ad is called Rein.
Bill Clinton, who will be voting for McCain, has a starring role in it. Bill Clinton calls out the Democrats for being part of the problem in this economic mess.

Posted by: USVet | September 30, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

“FoxNews has gotten better, while most MSNBC and CNN programs are so far into campaigning for Obama that it’s embarrassing to watch. ”
Avid defenses of FoxNews while claiming to be a Democrat strains credulity.
Not that you guys had credibility but its always funny to see you claims to be Democrats while shoveling the latest right wing talking point.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

My family total contributions to DNC last year me: $15,000
My mother $58,000
This year and forever $0″
You just said that you and your family stopped giving money in June 2008 and campaign contributions are to the DNC is limited to $20,000 per year.
You should keep your lies straight.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

In other news:
Rasmussen Tracking National Poll
Obama 51%, McCain 45%
Poor McCain.

Posted by: johnTX | September 30, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

“Ryan you should get your facts, inkind giving and knowledge of accounting straight. My family has five foundations that we give under as well as several business”
In kind contributions counts against donation limits.
So are you saying your family uses foundations & businesses to avoid campaign finance laws?

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

What is all this nonsense about Acorn? CBS says this viral stuff is “organically and institutionally driven.” In other words, the Republicans have embarked on another distract and distort mission.
Rep. Frank says that there is absolutely no “earmark” for Acorn in this legislation.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | September 30, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

“Avid defenses of FoxNews while claiming to be a Democrat strains credulity.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Look at the crowd Obama has in Nevada.
Another red state going BLUE

Posted by: Vanessa | September 30, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

“ACTUAL Democrats don’t have to be in lockstep with Republican-lite”
So instead ACTUAL Democrats are in lock step with full throated Republican FoxNews?
ROFLMAO!

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Obama can give a tax cut to 95% of Americans….funny thing is, 62% of Americans actually pay taxes…that’s called redistribution of wealth!

Posted by: Underdog | September 30, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

“Rep. Frank says that there is absolutely no “earmark” for Acorn in this legislation.”
There never was.
There was a proposed 20% of the profits (if any) should go to the National Housing Trust Fund.
But of course the right wing lies.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

So Palin’s debate is on Thursday.
Who thinks there will be some major disaster/event to cause a distraction away from the debate on Thursday or Friday by the McCain camp?

Posted by: johnTX | September 30, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

“obama : $16,000
mccain: $169,000
2008 contributions from fannie/freddie folks.”
And that doesn’t include the $250,000 Rick Davis’s firm pulled in.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

ryan sez: “So are a dozen members of the Republican party that served in the Senate or House to say nothing of the score of aides also under indictment.”
For voter fraud, Ryan? It isn’t simply the criminality, it is THE crime. You are not stupid. You know full well the results of having to challenge votes all over the country in November.
If you want chaos, that can do it. If chaos erupts into violence given all of the bad feelings pumping into this election, we get marshall law. Then a suspended election. Bush stays where he is at. People get arrested. Habeus corpus gets suspended. The US Army is already preparing and the ability to suspend posse commitatus is already on the books.
See 1968. It can turn very bad. Will it? I don’t know but it is well within the possible outcomes of this process if we keep playing mau mau with each other.
Wake up, fellow, and quit trying to play apples and oranges for the sake of politics. There are worse things than recession, and you and yours are marching us straight toward them.

Posted by: len | September 30, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

“Who thinks there will be some major disaster/event to cause a distraction away from the debate on Thursday or Friday by the McCain camp?”
$5 on Steve Schmidt pulling the fire alarm.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

“For voter fraud, Ryan? It isn’t simply the criminality, it is THE crime”
So what’s the worse crime len?
Submitting fraudulent voter registration forms or taking bribes as a public official?
“You are not stupid. You know full well the results of having to challenge votes all over the country in November.”
I am fully aware of the Republicans henious plan to try and deny people their right to vote.
I can’t believe that you admit it.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

“Who thinks there will be some major disaster/event to cause a distraction away from the debate on Thursday or Friday … ?”

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

Look at the crowd Obama has in Nevada.
Another red state going BLUE
Posted by: Vanessa
————————————–
What rock concert preceeded his speech?

Posted by: MEW | September 30, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

October is going to be one wild ride. I know all the 527′s have been holding back as have both campaigns.
I’m sure we’ll hear about the S&L crisis McCain was in the middle of. The McCain camp might bring out Biden’s credit card ties (though he is the VP candidate so I’m not sure anyone will care).
The thing is, if this economic crisis gets worse, those attacks aren’t going to mean much. No one will care. They’ll just want someone they think can fix this mess.

Posted by: johnTX | September 30, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

“the party of uber patriots who like to start wars for oil…. “

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm

Belle Starr
you are correct, it was the Republicans
who started the ongoing Iraq war for oil.
Mission Accomplished

Posted by: Rex | September 30, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

“Look at the crowd Obama has in Nevada.
Another red state going BLUE
Posted by: Vanessa
————————————–
What rock concert preceeded his speech?”
Barry has attack ad after attack ad playing on TV and Radio Nevada. I think in one he even blames McCain for causing Black Holes. McCain had better start responding.

Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

it was the Republicans
who started the ongoing Iraq war for oil.

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Republicans are embarking on another divide the nation through race and conquer tactic:
they have distributed millions of cd’s touting the scaremongering DVD “Obsession” that the Clarion Fund (McCain supporter) paid for distribution to dozens of newspapers across the country. Instances of anti-muslim violent acts have been reported.
Now they want to jump on ACORN, and push it using the race card. What about the predatory lenders that “steered” consumers into these bad sub-prime loans?
“It looks like we still have two separate and very unequal financial systems. One for the rich and one for the poor. One for whites, and one for everyone else. The banks created this situation when they abandoned our neighborhoods and opened the door for the loan sharks. Now we’re finding that these same banks are profiting from us through their financing or even ownership of these predatory lenders,” said ACORN National President Maude Hurd. “We know that many of the people who got subprime loans could have qualified for a lower cost mortgage, but instead they were pushed into a higher cost loan because the mortgage company saw an opportunity to make more money.”
When I drive through the suburbs, I see jplenty of foreclosed homes (350K and up) bought by folks who couldn’t afford them, and those folks aren’t minorities. Plus you have the flip and get rich crowd that flipped out when housing prices tanked.
And let’s not forget the derivative and Credit swap instruments created on mortagages that are now worthless ( trillions of dollars worth). Can’t blame that mess on minorities,
Why must republicans resort to race-baiting, divisive measures to win an election? That is just evil.

Posted by: Nan | September 30, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

Wait, what’s wrong with Obama’s position on Israel?
There are 500 Rabbis endorsing him (they even have a website, rabiesforobama).
Then there’s Rabbi Menachem Frohman, a founder of the Zionist settler movement in the West Bank settlement of Tekoa who not only endorsed Obama, but said he was the only hope for peace in the middle east.
Obama seems to have 60% of the Jewish vote according to polls. Kerry polled at around 69% right before his election.

Posted by: johnTX | September 30, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm

“So what’s the worse crime len?
Submitting fraudulent voter registration forms or taking bribes as a public official?”
The worse crime in my opinion is voter fraud in a landslide. We already have legalized bribery in the form of lobbying and campaign contributions. The ones who really flaunt it and break the rules eventually get caught and prosecuted.
A lack of faith in the electoral process signals an end of democracy as we know it. The vote must be sacrosanct. Widespread voter fraud on a national scale perpetrated by a well funded organization isn’t just a crime, it’s treason. The people who commit such crimes are domestic enemies of the constitution, in my opinion.

Posted by: Woody | September 30, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm

johnTX
your absolutely right on Obama’s support for Israel ….. Mr. Amnesia and his cultural references have some other agenda.
Mission Accomplished

Posted by: Rex | September 30, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

Electoral Vote Predictions (no toss-ups):
RealClearPolitics: Obama 301, McCain 237
Ouch.

Posted by: johnTX | September 30, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

Oh this is even better:
Florida Polls:
PPP – McCain 46, Obama 49
FOX News/Rasmussen – McCain 47, Obama 47
Florida going to Obama is game-over territory. If Obama simply holds on to all the states he’s leaning on right now and adds Florida, he’s over 270. WI, MN, NC, VA, NH, MO and NV could all go for McCain and Obama would still win.

Posted by: johnTX | September 30, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

“Obama seems to have 60% of the Jewish vote according to polls. Kerry polled at around 69% right before his election.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Well, yay, our possible next president thinks the economy is “fundamentally weak” I guess.
Yay, panic, yay, doom! Guess we will never get out of it without a helping hand always knocking on the door asking for another form.

Posted by: Wade | September 30, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

“RealClearPolitics: Obama 301, McCain 237′
It seems that there are mainly 2 reasons to vote for Barry; He’s not white and he’s not Republican.

Posted by: Mack | September 30, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

“It seems that there are mainly 2 reasons to vote for Barry; He’s not white and he’s not Republican.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | September 30, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm

“A lack of faith in the electoral process signals an end of democracy as we know it.”
So why are Republicans doing everything they can to undermine the faith in the election because they are losing?
“The vote must be sacrosanct.”
Its a great ideal but the vote has been sullied in recent years with problems with touchscreen voting and people having their right to vote interfered with by Republican caging efforts.
“Widespread voter fraud on a national scale perpetrated by a well funded organization isn’t just a crime, it’s treason”
A few thousand fraudlent registrations with no proof that anyone actually voted?
You really consider that worse than a dozen Congressmen selling favors and contracts to the highest bidder?
Let me ask you this Woody,
Do you consider it more important for people to be able to exercise their right to vote as easily as possible or do you think restrictions on the voters should be in place to make sure voter fraud does not occur?

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

That’s easy, Ryan: voter fraud. An official indicted for corruption goes to jail. A kid killed in a riot goes to the morgue.
You don’t remember the cities on fire. Some of us do.
Take some advice seriously. If the worst happens, sit down. As long as the SNCC was non-violent, they were winning. As soon as Abbie Hoffman convinced ten people to convince 100 people in 1000 people to throw rocks, heads rolled and Nixon was elected then reelected. King was killed. Bobby was killed. It wasn’t all flower power and music. It was murder.
Sit down. Protest is not about getting in their faces. It is about getting in their way. It isn’t likely in my opinion but it is possible and the voter fraud is enough to light the match.
What Obama is telling you is wrong, dangerous and self-serving. DON’T get in their faces. Only an self-obsessed fool would tell you to do that. We pay a high price for that as Democrats, but
$1.2 trillion wasn’t enough, I guess.

Posted by: len | September 30, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

If McCain had shown good judgment when picking a VP, if he had not picked a mess of lobbyists to run his campaign, if he wasn’t so gungho to start wars and if he was smart, I may have voted for him.
I’ve voted for Republicans (not for President, but for other offices). I just think McCain is dumb. I mean, not as much of dumb as Bush, but nowhere near the sharpest tool in the shed.
The man sees so focused on earmark reform, he has ignored the idea of real budget reform. Earmarks make up less than a percent of our budget. McCain could have saved far more money if he had redirected his energy from focusing on earmarks and put it on looking at the budget as a whole. But that’s his focus. That’s his niche. The big picture is outside of his purview.
Obama may have less experience, but the man has shown excellent judgment. I do not worry about an Obama administration. I know that his economic advisers will be top notch. I know that his foreign policy adviser will not be blinded by ideology and will be a top notch negotiator. I know that the people he appoints will be smart people who aren’t lobbyists.

Posted by: johnTX | September 30, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

So, you know, we’re getting stampeded here to vote for something that doesn’t help homeowners, that doesn’t do anything about foreclosures, that doesn’t help those people who have been in bankruptcy and are looking for a way out. As a matter of fact, it made sure they can’t get out. So, who’s this for? It’s for speculators. It’s to play a game that provides some temporary help in the market, and, you know, you might see an uptick today if this passes the House. On the other hand, if it doesn’t, we need to be ready to find a way for Wall Street to address its problems without having to tap the increasingly diminishing resources of the federal taxpayers.

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm

That’s easy, Ryan: voter fraud. An official indicted for corruption goes to jail. A kid killed in a riot goes to the morgue.”
Racist republicans challenging the voting rights of minorities do so at their own peril.
I can’t believe you actually blame Democrats for conditions the Republicans are actively fostering.
“You don’t remember the cities on fire. Some of us do.”
So the riots during the 60′s were over voter fraud?
Not police brutality against minorities.
Not the assasination of Dr. King.
But voter fraud?
“Take some advice seriously. If the worst happens, sit down. As long as the SNCC was non-violent, they were winning. As soon as Abbie Hoffman convinced ten people to convince 100 people in 1000 people to throw rocks, heads rolled and Nixon was elected then reelected. King was killed. Bobby was killed. It wasn’t all flower power and music. It was murder.”
You’re blaming King and JFK being killed for the Chicago riots at the Dem convention?

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

So, you know, we’re getting stampeded here to vote for something that doesn’t help homeowners, that doesn’t do anything about foreclosures, that doesn’t help those people who have been in bankruptcy and are looking for a way out. As a matter of fact, it made sure they can’t get out. So, who’s this for? It’s for speculators. It’s to play a game that provides some temporary help in the market, and, you know, you might see an uptick today if this passes the House. On the other hand, if it doesn’t, we need to be ready to find a way for Wall Street to address its problems without having to tap the increasingly diminishing resources of the federal taxpayers.

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

ryan, you are being deliberately misleading. Obama is, according to independent organizations that keep track of the money, the second-highest (or maybe it was third?) recipient of Fannie and Freddie money in Congress, even though he’s only been there a few years and the number one fellow, our pal Chris Dodd, has been taking Fannie/Freddie money for as long as there has been Fannie/Freddie money to be taken. PUlling out the current year, when most of his disgraced F/F cronies have been working on his campaign and he’s been actively trying to avoid the APPEARANCE of taking money from folks he is simultaneously pretending to be against (like having lobbyists’ wives contribute but not the lobbyists themselves), is the height of hypocrisy.
Those same independent groups credit McCain with being far down the list of recipients despite his years in Congress– not even in the top 50, as I recall, and definitely not in the top 25. And stop trying to pull that “Rick Davis’s firm” crap — Davis does not lobby or take money from lobbying and has not collected money from the company this year at all. So that fact that former colleagues may have taken money to lobby on behalf of Fannie/Freddie is completely unrelated to the issue at hand. AFter all, we’re not supposed to be concerned about Biden’s brother and son being ACTIVE lobbyists for banking/credit card firms. Let’s be consistent and honest in our criticism.

Posted by: moderate | September 30, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

I wanted to point out two AP stories that deal with a proposal to raise the FDIC limit. The first story says that Sen. Barack Obama supports such a proposal. That is, frankly, shocking, since the idea was actually proposed by House Republican negotiators on Saturday evening, but was strongly rejected by Senate Democrats. Rep. Chris Shays has introduced this proposal as legislation (H.R. 7235). The second AP story mentions the House GOP support for this proposal.
Why is Sen. Obama embracing a proposal his colleagues rejected? Why did Senate Democrats reject the proposal initially? Have they all changed their minds, or is Sen. Obama breaking with his colleagues? Interesting questions …

Posted by: HP Boston | September 30, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

“ryan, you are being deliberately misleading. Obama is, according to independent organizations that keep track of the money, the second-highest (or maybe it was third?) recipient of Fannie and Freddie money in Congress, even though he’s only been there a few years”
Who’s misleading?
The McCain campaign thru joint fundraising has taken in $189,000 from Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae this year alone.
Obama campaign has taken in $16K this year and throughout Obama’s entire time in public service has gotten about $120K in donations.
Rick Davis was bought & paid for his access to McCain. His firm got $15K a month this year. And He collected over $2,000,000 from them from 2001 to 2006.
That went in his and his company’s POCKETS. Not to the campaign but directly funding his life.
And that says nothing about the millions Charlie Black made lobbying for them or the 24 other McCain staffers who lobbied or worked for them.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

Country First? I think not….
…”The Republican National Committee’s new advertisement critical of the the Wall Street “bailout” …
was produced and sent to television stations in key states… before …the package failed, officials at two stations said.
While the Republican Leadership was shaking hands and allegedly rallying their troops to vote for the plan, they were already cutting ads to bash the Democrats.
This is why only Republicans in safe seats and leadership positions voted for it. Yesterday, they went out and blamed Pelosi for injecting partisanship into the process, causing the bill to fail, when actually they wanted it to pass so they could… use it against the Democrats.
And they were not even hiding it- this was what many online had openly said they should do, and the commercials were ready to bash the Democrats for passing the plan.
Except the plan failed. And the Republicans are caught red-handed, and will pay the price should things melt down. Not that half the GOP base or the Republican Study Group care- half of them probably think an economic disaster is an alternate route to the Rapture.
The only thing you can count on in politics these days is the sure-fire bet that when the chips are down, the Republicans always, always always put themselves first. These guys need a solid two decades in the minority.”
Mission Accomplished

Posted by: Rex | September 30, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

more ‘Country First’… fraud
“Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and his top aides took credit for building a winning bailout coalition – hours before the vote failed and stocks tanked.
Shortly before the vote, McCain had bragged about his involvement and mocked Sen. Barack Obama for staying on the sidelines.
“I’ve never been afraid of stepping in to solve problems for the American people, and I’m not going to stop now,” McCain told a rally in Columbus, Ohio. “Sen. Obama took a very different approach to the crisis our country faced. At first he didn’t want to get involved. Then he was monitoring the situation.”
McCain, grinning, flashed a sarcastic thumbs up.
“That’s not leadership. That’s watching from the sidelines,” he added to cheers and applause.
John McCain, a few hours later when the bailout failed:
“Sen. Obama and his allies in Congress infused unnecessary partisanship into the process. Now is not the time to fix the blame. It’s time to fix the problem,” McCain said in a hastily called statement to the press here today.”
Mission Accomplished

Posted by: Rex | September 30, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

but wait…… if you order today:
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich was working aggressively behind the scenes to defeat the Wall Street rescue plan minutes before he himself released a public statement in support of the package, reported on Tuesday.
Gingrich was whipping up votes for the opposition, apparently without the knowledge of the current GOP leader, John Boehner, who was responsible for recruiting enough support from his caucus to help ensure the bill’s passage. Ultimately, the GOP was only able to rally roughly a third of its members.
“Newt Gingrich,” “I am told reliably by leading Republicans who are close to him, he was whipping against this up until the last minute, when he issued that face-saving statement. Newt Gingrich was telling people in the strongest possible language that this was a terrible deal, not only that it was a terrible deal, it was a disaster, it was the end of democracy as we know, it was socialism — and then at the last minute [he] comes out with a statement when the vote is already in place.”
Indeed, shortly before the bill’s failure, Gingrich “reluctantly” came out in favor of its passage: “Therefore, while I am discouraged at the final collapse of the Bush Administration, and frustrated by the Democrats’ passion for the taxpayer’s money, I would reluctantly and sadly vote for the bailout were I still in office.”
Mission Accomplished

Posted by: Rex | September 30, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

So when will ABC get around to the RNC ad attacking Obama and Democrats for passing the bail out plan while their leaders said they were trying to pass it? Funny how it was produced before the vote was taken.

Posted by: ricky | September 30, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

“You’re blaming King and JFK being killed for the Chicago riots at the Dem convention?”
I’m telling you to keep your head down, Ryan. You are Mickey Mouse in the Sorceror’s Apprentice. You really know nothing about the forces you are invoking. Neither did the Boomers in the 60s.

Posted by: len | September 30, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

Come with me here and let us take a trip through time…
Ok, Jimmy Carter and the democrats passed the Sub-Prime Mortgage loans in the 70′s to help low-income familys get houses. It was called the (CRA) Community Reinvestment Act (google it) which wasn’t a bad idea if done right. It helped alittle but in 1995 Bill Clinton expanded the CRA by placing more requirements on it that forced banks to offer $1 Trillion in “Sub-Prime” loans or face penalties (Goverment Sponsored Security).
Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae would guarantee mortgages then sale that debt to Banks and investors. So, the more mortgages issued the more money Fannie Mae makes. They would tell the banks to issue the “guaranteed” loans with ‘no money down’ ‘no credit’ or even ‘bad credit’, as long as they paid the interest.
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So, home owners started to grow and so did the price of housing. BIG PROBLEM!! Between 2004-2005 interest rates shot up and so did gas prices so paychecks got squeezed. Borrowers stopped paying so banks stopped lending and the sub-prime market collapsed in 2007. Foreclosures piled up, no buyers, only sellers. Home prices started falling and even more borrowers stopped paying and Fannie Mae “guarantees’ became worthless because they kept over stating their assests.
Banks collapsed due to worthless Government Sponsored Securities issued by Fannie Mae. So, here we are today….
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Why is the Community Reinvestment Act to Blame? Before CRA expansion home prices increase with inflation but, after the CRA, home prices became unhinged from inflation. CRA caused home prices to rise too fast which caused this ‘bubble’ everyone was talking about.
Did this have to happen? NO! Someone tried to stop it in 2003 and you will never guess who….The Bush Administration wanted “…regulatory overhaul of the housing finance industry which would create a new agency withen the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored companies that are two largest players in the mortgage lending industry.” But, the Democrats stopped it, siting “…it would diminish their ability to finance loans for lower-income families.”
Someone else tried to stop it in 2005 and you will never guess who…John McCain …LOL!!! He co-sponsored a bill called “The Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005″ (google it please http://www.govtrack.us Bill S-190). The bill would regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac yet once again, the Democrats blocked it. It came back in 2007 but still no luck, because Fannie Mae had Friends in the Senate….
Chriss Dodd (D-CT) and Barack Obama (D-IL) covered Fannie Mae’s backside and you will never believe who Obama selected to help choose his VP running mate, Jim Johnson – [CEO of Fannie Mae (1991-1998) etc...] who quit Obama’s campign in June 2008 after he came under-fire. And you will never guess who Obama gets economic advice from, Franklin Raines – [Carter Administration (1977-1979 when CRA was first enacted) Vice Chairman Fannie Mae (1991-1996 when CRA was first expanded) CEO of Fannie Mae (1999-2004)] who resigned due to accounting irregularities.
Obama recieved FOUR-TIMES more money from Fannie Mae per year than any other senator over the last 20 years (49 Times less than John McCain). And you will never guess who worked at a law firm (Miner, Barnhill & Galland) that sued banks for not issueing enough Sub-Prime loans….Yes, Barack Obama.

Posted by: chris | September 30, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

And you’ll be posting about out-of-context quoting by Charlie Gibson, Katie Couric, et al when?

Posted by: Kyle | September 30, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm

I don’t see what you’re seeing Jake.
McCain is right. We do have a strong economy, it’s just facing tough times. Down 7%? We’ll rebound 4%.
It’s like Michael Phelps getting sick. boo hoo.
Obama knew what McCain meant.
McCain Palin 2008

Posted by: John | September 30, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

Yes, Obama agrees that ‘the fundamental of economy is strong’.
McCain is right, and he said earlier than Obama did.
Obama just follow McCain’s foot step.
We can go through this crisis, which will prove that the fundamentals of our economy is strong.

Posted by: golfgirlusa | September 30, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

“Obama recieved FOUR-TIMES more money from Fannie Mae per year than any other senator over the last 20 years”
Obama received about $120K in donations from Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac over his 12 year career.
He was # 2 on that list for the last 10 years. So how could he get 4 times as much as any other Senator?
Also McCain thru joint fundraising has taken in $189K this year alone from 8 Fannie Mae bigwigs. Obama has taken in $16K.
And one last thing, Rick Davis’s firm has taken twice as much money from Fannie Mae this year alone as Obama has received from employees over a 12 year public career.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

“Someone else tried to stop it in 2005 and you will never guess who…John McCain …LOL!!! He co-sponsored a bill called “The Housing Enterprise Regulatory Act of 2005″ (google it please http://www.govtrack.us Bill S-190). The bill would regulate Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac yet once again, the Democrats blocked it”
Yes please google and see how the Republican chaired committee kept in committee and how it was a dead bill by the time McCain decided to cosponsor it in May of 2006.

Posted by: Ryan C | September 30, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

It’s strange how Obama, Pelosi, Biden and other Dems receive political cover from the “mainstream media” yet Republicans never do. There’s nothing at all mainstream about the media this election year. They’ve clearly put the fix in for Obama.

Posted by: Gargoyle | September 30, 2008, 6:54 pm 6:54 pm

Gargoyle,
Do you really want to make excuses? Blame the refs for losing huh? Grow up!
Do you want a list of Republican corruption in the past decade? Let me know and I’ll give them to you.
The Republicans have had the majority in Congress since January 3, 1995. They had control of it all until January 3, 2007. That’s twelve years!!!! Bush took office on January 20, 2001.
Hey don’t worry, at least you got the victory with gay marriage.

Posted by: JV | September 30, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

Honestly,
McCain, stop with this blame game thing. You yourself also accused Obama of “politicising” the bailout. WHO made a big show of charging into Washington to save the day (he was in such a hurry he had to cancel Letterman, but had time to interview with Couric and only left the next morning)? Obama said that since neither one of them were on the relevant committees, they might be doing more harm then good.
It certainly shows from how the bill exploded even when McCain was there to “save” the day. He couldn’t even get any members of his Arizona delegation to support the bill-the Illinois delegation, had 9 out of the nineteen supporting the bill.
Stop saying Obama couldn’t be bothered about it. He also had said that if he’s informed that’s he needed there, he’d fly back immediately. McCain keeps on pulling so many stunts and making a big show of things-but in reality, he isn’t doing much. People said he didn’t contribute anything at the WH meeting and declined to take a stand when asked.
He was waving the soldier’s bracelet at every campaign stop, while Obama has been quietly wearing his-you can check his previous speeches.
The smallest dogs bark the loudest, I guess.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 1, 2008, 7:30 am 7:30 am

McCain:It’s OVER!!!!!

Posted by: david | October 1, 2008, 6:11 pm 6:11 pm

‘The fundamentals of his economic plan’. You mean trillion dollar deficits, the takeover of private industry, the payoffs to the unions and George Soros, soaring unemployment, more loans to those who can’t afford to pay them, stimulus graft, ACORN as a partner, having marxists as advisors and ‘czars’, and new green taxes for all? That’s sure some Obama ‘fundamentals’ to be proud of ABC. How could anyone think these fundamental Obama truths could affect them in a negative way?
Its been said that Obama speaks for the moment and that it sometimes leads to ‘confliciting statements’ between audiences. That’s only true in the nuanced world of progressives, in the real world its called lying. This man is the most massive fraud ever elected but many Americans don’t know it because the media has had their lips firmly planted on BO’s butt from the beginning.

Posted by: Marko | October 20, 2009, 10:56 am 10:56 am

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