Buyer’s Remorse?
ABC News’ Karen Travers and Arnab Datta report: We have heard a lot about Sarah Palin in the last few days, but apparently, her name still is not familiar to everyone in the Republican Party.
RNC co-chair Jo Ann Davidson, speaking about the role of women in the Republican Party, said "[W]e are holding a convention that will nominate a Republican woman governor -– Sarah Pawlenty, our next vice president!
Oops — that should be Palin, not Pawlenty … as in Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, who was also on McCain’s short list to be his running mate. (Perhaps Davidson just has Minnesota on her mind — the convention is in St. Paul).
Davidson referred to the last GOP convention held in Minnesota, "1892 was the last year a Republican National Convention was held in Minneapolis. That was the first Republican convention to seat two women alternates from Wyoming, which you will remember, was one of the first states that allowed women the right to vote."
She continued, "But the 1892 convention here was another first for Republicans. Judith Ellen Foster, the first president of the National Women’s Republican Association, and a leader in the women’s suffrage movement, became the first woman to speak at a Republican convention with these words, ‘we are here to help you and we are here to stay.’"
Davidson then referenced the progress made by women in the party, adding, "her words were prophetic. Ever since that convention, women have been an integral part of the party. And today, 116 years later, we are holding a convention that will nominate a Republican woman governor -– Sarah Pawlenty, our next vice president!"
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Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
Nobody at the convention knows her but they are very enthusiastic about her.
This just in….Sarah Palin’s husband Todd was a card carrying member of the Alaska Independence Party from 1995 – 2002.
Palin/McCain change that will secede.
Posted by: doug | September 2, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
Who cares….they’ll all know her name Nov. 4, when they pull the lever for McCain/Palin. I heard talk radio today and dozens of callers (female) THRILLED at the Palin nom…..and passionate to see her elected. WOMEN = 54% OF THE U.S. POPULATION……and nothing like a woman scorned. There was revolt when Hillary was treated as she was, and I see it happening now…only difference is Hillary was fighting her own party for the nom. Gov. Palin has her base support already with her! This will become a groundswell of support from women…Reps, Independents, and even some Dems who have had enough. Obama’s young lib female sheep will not be swayed, but that’s a small percentage of the voting population.
50% of Americans vote with their emotions.
GO McCAIN/PALIN!
Posted by: Debra | September 2, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
Three NY headlines today with Palin in them….they are so AFRAID OF GOV. SARAH PALIN! The lib press is mud slinging and very frightened….if she can hold her own and be as strong as we are learning she is….she will be a fantastic VP!
22 years ago Palins boyfriend (now hubby) had too much to drink and got a DUI
22 years ago Barack Hussein Obama was using crack cocaine…..AND WHY DON’T THE LIBERAL MEDIA COVER FAIRLY?
AMERICANS DO NOT TAKE WHAT THEY ARE SHOVING DOWN OUR THROATS WITH B. HUSSEIN
Posted by: Debra | September 2, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm
Debra–
Polls all say women aren’t going for her. Indeed she has secured the religious right but she has very little appeal to independent women who are not fanatically religious. Not to mention all of the stuff coming out about her lobbying ties and love of earmarks. After all the negative garbage about Michelle Obama, it is hilarious to have Todd Palin proven to be a secessionist, Country First? Guess not.
Posted by: Say what? | September 2, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Hey Debra, Would that be the 50% who gave us Bush/Cheney for the past 8 years?
Old female sheep for Obama
Posted by: Susan | September 2, 2008, 9:07 pm 9:07 pm
John McCain selected Sarah Palin, a woman, to be his vice presidential running mate.
Obama should have picked Hillary Clinton to be his vice presidential running mate, but Obama doesn’t feel that a woman is deserving to be vice president of the United States.
Posted by: USmarine0331 | September 2, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
If you are a woman with too much experience like Hillary that is a problem. If you are a woman without excess experience like Palin, that is a problem.
But inexperienced male Obama? No problem – he’s black – and if you don’t vote for him you are a racist – even if you yourself are black.
Posted by: mary | September 2, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
John McCain selected Sarah Palin, a woman, to be his vice presidential running mate.
Obama should have picked Hillary Clinton to be his vice presidential running mate.
However, Obama doesn’t think that a woman is deserving to be vice-president of the United States.
Instead, Obama rather have a good old boy, Lobbyist Buddy Joe Biden, as vice president.
Posted by: USmarine0331 | September 2, 2008, 9:17 pm 9:17 pm
If you are a woman with too much experience like Hillary that is a problem. If you are a woman without excess experience like Palin, that is a problem.
But inexperienced male Obama? No problem – he’s black – and if you don’t vote for him you are a racist – even if you yourself are black.
Posted by: mary | September 2, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm
I love the way all the conservatives shout little slogans without any basis in fact to cheer themselves up. No matter that Obama broke 50% in two tracking polls today and has a 6-9% lead depending on the poll while the press are spending all their time focussing on aspects of the Palin pick. This was a disastrous decision you guys need to face it.
Posted by: John | September 2, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
If you are a woman with too much experience like Hillary that is a problem. If you are a woman without excess experience like Palin, that is a problem.
But inexperienced male Obama? No problem – he’s black – and if you don’t vote for him you are a racist – even if you yourself are black.
Posted by: mary | September 2, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
From Hillary 44
“Sarah Palin, an elected Governor with executive experience is running against Washington insider, repeat presidential candidate, and loser Joe Biden (Biden received 9,500 this year). Palin has challenged a corrupt Republican establishment in Alaska and won. Obama bought into the Chicago political machine instead of challenging it.
Meanwhile many of the Disco Democrats compare Sarah Palin’s selection as a vice presidential candidate to the generation earlier selection of Geraldine A. Ferraro. The suggestion is that only desperation drove both selections. Women only get selected out of desperation – as a “hail Mary” desperation play.”
Posted by: erin | September 2, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Well, the awaited media feeding frenzy is pretty much as expected.
Perhaps the surge at Sarah Palin is a bit more rabid in an effort to get the highest ratings, but the “lynch mob” mentality is quite evident.
Regardless of what media hype has not yet created about Sarah Palin, we do KNOW this much:
1. Sarah Palin has energized a significant number of women voters who were going to sit this one out, and they won’t be voting for anyone named Obama.
2. Sarah Palin has got more attention and scrutiny from the Democrat party in a few days than Barack Obama got in 18 months.
3. Glenn Beck was the only talk show host that got it right on the Sarah Palin choice and did an interview.
4. Regarding economic policy, Sarah Palin supports “a free market system allows all parties to compete, which ensures the best and most competitive project emerges, and ensures a fair, democratic process.”
5. Sarah Palin is pro-contraception, pro-woman, and pro-life.
6. Sarah Palin respects the sanctity of marriage and defines such as a union between a man and a woman.
7. Sarah Palin supports the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.
And the list goes on…
This candidate is thoroughly vetted on a website called “On the Issues”.
No, I won’t provide a link as it would be edited from this site, but it the site is an org site.
And, as always,
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 2, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm
Well, John,
The bounce that usually follows a party’s convention is somewhere in double digits.
But, that didn’t happen for Obama who is supposedly contrasting one of the most unpopular Presidents in U.S. history.
Kind of makes the 6 to 9% pale in comparison to what it could have been.
For my part, I will be listening to Palin’s speech instead of media hacks.
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 2, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm
Hillary Clinton 18 million votes
Joe Biden 0 votes
Talk about buyer’s remorse!
Posted by: geevill | September 2, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm
Wow. Mark Shields has the audacity to speak for Palin’s daughter.
Posted by: geevill | September 2, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
Two words for any pro-choice folks who are considering voting for McCain/Palin:
SUPREME COURT!
If that issue is important to you, and you vote for the Republican ticket, you can kiss your (or your sister’s or daughter’s) rights good-bye.
Teens (even Republican teens!) will be teens, so teach them how to protect themselves, and reduce the need for abortions.
Posted by: Susan | September 2, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
the dens are at their smarmiest tonight. Sarah Palin has them quaking in their birkinstocks. A woman who has it all-family and career-and is truly liberated, and they are slinging mud so fast they’re getting more on them than on her.
We can see the fear in your eyes. All you’re left with is sound and fury.
Posted by: JRinLA | September 2, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
What if Hillary had won the nomination and made a last minute surprise selection of the relatively unknown Obama as VP? Would the media be a furious feeding frenzy of vetting Obama Wright and Rezko and Ayers and infanticide in rapid succession: Clearly, our media would conclude that this dangerously untested ingenue is too unknown a quantity to be a heartbeat away, with Tom Eagleton comparisons gleefully invoked starting, oh, 72 hours in.
Posted by: erin | September 2, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm
Obama should have picked Hillary Clinton to be his vice presidential running mate, but Obama doesn’t feel that a woman is deserving to be vice president of the United States.
Posted by: USmarine0331
Wrong! Obama knew that if he he picked Hillary, he would have lost all of the people, men and women who voted for him! Get it? His supporters would not have supported a ticket with her on it. I’m sick of the disgruntled Hillary supporters who keep saying this! You’re all wrong!
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
Susan, Roe Wade is not in jeopardy. Even if McCain/Palin is elected it is highly unlikely Roe Wade would be overturned. Even if it is, it would go back to the States and the peoples reps would decide, not unelected judges, and the only State that may enact any serious restrictions on abortions would be Utah.
Posted by: erin | September 2, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
You bet we’re afraid. We’re afraid someone whose foreign policy experience consists of living closer to Russia than the rest of us might be a heartbeat away from having her finger on the red button.
Posted by: Susan | September 2, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm
sexism in the media, Hillary was right
http://mitchellblatt.com/blog/2008/09/sexism-against-sarah-palin%22
Posted by: pam | September 2, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Jayhawk |
Yet Sara Palin and John McCain are down 8-9 points. Check today’s electoral map. Obama 273 McCain 227 You only need 270 to win!
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
She’s a great American
Sarah Palin is an amazing person with a bio that is just so full of interesting things; she’s the best thing that could have happened…for the democrats.
I can’t wait for October when Sarah gives us some more surprises…
Posted by: Cooked Goose | September 2, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm
Hillary Clinton 18 million votes
Joe Biden 0 votes
Talk about buyer’s remorse!
Posted by: geevill
Yet, Hillary’s gone. She can’t even defend herself agains Palin calling her a whiner! Probably jealouse because Sarah’s thinner!
Posted by: kane | September 2, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Palin is fine, drop McCain and you might win. But since when have Republicans done anything in their own best interests?
Posted by: argh! | September 2, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
sexism in the media, Hillary was right
http://mitchellblatt.com/blog/2008/09/sexism-against-sarah-palin%22
Posted by: pam
If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen! Unless you’re losing?
Posted by: dara | September 2, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
As a Puma Pac member, long before Palin was added to the ticket, I had planned to vote for McCain. Obama is unqualified to be President.
The other blogger is right, three front page articles in the NYT about Palin and the press isn’t covering the Rezko connection or the Woods Foundations papers connecting Obama and American terrorist Wm. Ayers.
The MSM has a mission to protect the unsavory past of BO. The pregnancy of a 17 year old girl and reproductive rights are not at the top of the agenda of most voters.
Posted by: yoga82 | September 2, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Kane
You deserve a bitch slap. Hillary is thrilled that BO is going down to defeat in November.
Posted by: yoga82 | September 2, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm
How about that future son in-law. He’s got a real grasp of the english language! Too bad he said he doesn’t want kids!
What’s really frightening is that Palin’s great state of Alaska has seen a rise in teenage pregnancy and STD’s.
I wonder why that is?
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
Susan, Obama has less experience than Palin. Obama has no executive experience, voted present on most bills when in the Illinois Senate, took credit for bills he did no work on and spent a total of 141 days in the Senate. In contrast, Palin has years of executive experience was head of the PTA, A mayor, and governor of Alaska, the geographically largest State in the Union. Clearly, Obama is dangerously untested ingenue is too unknown a quantity to be handed the keys to the White house.
Posted by: mart | September 2, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
yoga82 |
Hillary is invisible and you deserve a fisting! As your boyfriend!
Posted by: kane | September 2, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm
McCain fought money on teen pregnancy programs
By SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer Tue Sep 2, 3:10 PM ET
WASHINGTON – Republican John McCain, whose running mate disclosed that her unmarried 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, has opposed proposals to spend federal money on teen-pregnancy prevention programs and voted to require poor teen mothers to stay in school or lose their benefits.
Gee John, maybe if you had voted for that money maybe Bristol Palin wouldn’t be pregnant today!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Depends on where you look Roxanne…
The Republican Convention bounce has yet to take any effect…
John Kerry had a similar lead on George Bush, as I recall…
And, it isn’t over until the electoral college votes in January…
And, you should be watching the RNC instead of blogging…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 2, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
mart
And yet he’s kicking their asses! A friend of mine who works on Wall Street said he was at work today and heard a group of guys standing around on the trading floor reading the newspaper when one of them shouted -White Trash in the White House!
Posted by: doc | September 2, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm
roxanne, The polls are rigged. I was called once by Gallop a few weeks ago and they told me they would be calling again. I was home the whole time and have never been called again. Guess when I said I was for McCain, they dropped me off their list.
Posted by: mart | September 2, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
Jayhawk
Why would I watch that snooze fest? That’s not my party. Besides, those people are human sominex! The question is, why aren’t you watching it? I’m flipping channels trying to find a movie on cable.
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm
Davis
Why the interest in the reproductive rights of women? What about checking the background of Cupcake’s associations with Rezko, Emil Jones Jr., Ayers, and ACORN?
Posted by: yoga82 | September 2, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm
I am ticked off at this ticket. John McCain and the neocons are going to ruin a good woman. She does not hold the views of McCain. She has modified her views and turned on her Alaskans to run with a liberal.
They should have started show casing her this year and ran her in 2012 against Hilary.
Palin does have an inspirational story, and she is now the only true conservative in the race, but she is vice, and they don’t get much sway.
My prediction: She will pull out of the race and she will be replaced by Mitt or Tim
Posted by: Renee | September 2, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Kane
Hillary may be off the radar screen, but Obama’s attacks against Palin are costing him the election. Don’t give me that BS about Cupcake having nothing to do with it. Everytime the poison comes out, the coward makes a fake appearance. The American people can see through his false persona.
Posted by: yoga82 | September 2, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
roxanne, The polls are rigged. I was called once by Gallop a few weeks ago and they told me they would be calling again. I was home the whole time and have never been called again. Guess when I said I was for McCain, they dropped me off their list.
Posted by: mart
You’re right about the polls being rigged and it’s not in the Republicans favor, and it’s not for the reason you might think. See, I have never been called and I have a land line. But the real problem with these polls is that they can’t call the millions of people with cell phones. This is why Obama will likely win by a landslide and the pundits will be left scratching their heads!
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Renee
Palin is a maverick just like McCain. She has taken on the corruption from her own party and won the Governorship.
Posted by: yoga82 | September 2, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Roxanne
Gallup and Quinnipac are in the tank for BO. Some of their polling is skewed because they will call more Democratic voters. In addition, the way the question is framed can give a poll a flawed result. Rasmussen has more accurate numbers.
Posted by: yoga82 | September 2, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
How can a serious person think Palin is really up to the task of being president if McCain has a seizure on day one? Lets be honest, she said on tape only a few days ago that she didnt’ even know what the VP does. She knows nothing about foreign policy. That’s not to say that she isn’t a decent governor of Alaska. But McCain really blew it when he nominated her. He’ll get the right wing base because she is pro-life and a creationist, but that will alienate the middle just as much. I’m an independent and I think the best thing McCain could do right now is to ask Palin to withdraw (and pretend it wasn’t his decision).
Posted by: Tonia | September 2, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
yoga82
You can call him all the names you want but come November, you’ll be calling him Mr. President! You losers continue to attribute all of this crap to Obama when he hasn’t said one offensive thing about this woman or her daughter. Grow up! Your candidate sucks, has no real judgment and it’s nobody’s fault but his own. By the way, with an effeminate screen name like yoga, I wouldn’t be calling anyone cupcake!
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
Maverick? You’ve got to be kidding. McCain is called maverick because he disagrees with Bush 5% of the time. That’s so rebellious.
Really he’s a maverick because he flip-flops his opinions on pretty much everything.
Taxes: For it then against it
Immigration: For it then against it
Iraq: We’ll be there for 100 years, now we should get out in 2 years.
Falwell: “Agent of Intolerance” then his friend.
He blows in the wind. I hope Palin actually keeps her views constant.
Posted by: Jill Harrison | September 2, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
The media is so in the tank for Obama it makes me puke. The media should be covering Obama’s long term ties and friendship with the unrepentant terrorist Ayers. When Obama told the media that Ayers “was just a guy in my neighborhood” it was a lie. Obama chaired of the Annenberg Challenge that Ayers founded in 1995. The purpose of the Annenberg Challenge was to improve schools in Chicago and according to its own final report was a failure. Thus Obama’s only record of executive experience was a failure.
Whose pocket the 110 million dollars from the Annenberg Challenge went into is still a mystery. Instead of covering the pregnancy of Palin’s daughter the public would be better served if the press was covering Obama’s involvement in the Annenberg Challenge and other ties Obama has to crooks like Ayers and Rev. Wright whose church (that Obama was a member of for twenty years) taught the racist creed of black liberation theology.
Posted by: mart | September 2, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Yoga82 -
McCain used to be a maverick. He has reversed virtually every position. He doesn’t even support laws he helped to pass. He is using this woman as a token and it is degrading.
I am a republican. Emphasis in REPUBLIC. Neither Barack or McCain has pledged to strengthen the Republic. Everyone runs on strengthening the democracy. America isn’t supposed to be a democracy, it is supposed to be a Republic.
No one bothers to uphold the oath they take. Uphold and defend the constitution. That’s it. Policing the world, taking away our liberties, inflating our currency, strengthening the welfare state is not in the job description or oath of congress the military or the president.
GET A CLUE AND AN EDUCATION PEOPLE.
Posted by: Renee | September 2, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
Gallup and Quinnipac are in the tank for BO. Some of their polling is skewed because they will call more Democratic voters. In addition, the way the question is framed can give a poll a flawed result. Rasmussen has more accurate numbers.
Posted by: yoga82
Conspiracy Theory? Oh please! It couldn’t be McGeezer’s fault so it must be someone else’s! It couldn’t possibly be that he’s a flawed candidate could it? He’s lost this race before and I’ll bet that you were one of the geniuses who voted for Bush instead of your precious McPOW.
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
roxanne,
Don’t worry, Nov will make it right…
McCain/Palin ’08
Posted by: KChicago | September 2, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
Palin and her family have been smeared relentlessly by the hard left and nearly the entire mainstream media this past week. McCain really caught them off guard and they are livid. Obama could have chosen a woman VP, but decided instead to go with a six-term Senator to represent his message of “change.” Since the announcement of Palin, the left sensed the damage this would cause and has become completely unhinged. Obama operatives are actively planting smears and talking points on multiple left wing blogs. Anything that terrifies the left is something we need much more of. Palin connects with common, decent people. She’s an extremely smart and popular governor who is fiercely independent and fights corruption wherever she sees it. The real unknown is not Palin, who already has an impressive record of accomplishments. The unknown is Obama. What do we really know about him beyond his rhetoric at the Temple of Zeus? Nothing. He’s a man with a murky past who the media purposely protects and promotes. He is an unprincipled elitist whose world views have been shaped by communists, socialists, terrorists, indicted fundraisers, anti-American preachers, and Chicago thugs. But somehow those associations aren’t newsworthy. Palin’s daughter! Now that’s important to our country’s future! The press has spent much more effort in the past five days digging up dirt on Palin than they ever spent unraveling Obama’s past and connections to radical organizations (like ACORN, the masters of voter fraud) in the past 19 months! You can’t make this stuff up. I’ll make a prediction. If by some fit of insanity Americans do elect Obama, you will quickly see a REAL case of buyer’s remorse unprecedented in our history. I’ve done a lot of research on Obama and his policies (since the media refuses to) and he is not who people think he is. He will, in lockstep with our incompetent Congress, run our wonderful country straight into the ground in short order. And his supporters will say in a state of shock, “How did we not know?” Mark my words.
Posted by: Jim in OH | September 2, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Tonia, If the contest for President was between Obama and Palin who has the most experience? Without a doubt, Palin has more experience than Obama so I would rather vote for Palin any day than Obama. So your logic just does not make any sense. Think a little for a change instead of being an Obama zombie.
Posted by: mart | September 2, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm
Can any of you McCain talking point spewers explain this:
If Gov. Palin is so qualified, why is the campaign refusing to let her interview with any media? They must be afraid of the questions they might ask.
Take a look at Campbell Brown’s interview with Tucker Bounds. She dared ask what foriegn policy experience Palin has, and McCain canceled all interviews with CNN.
So the have shut out CNN and MSNBC. Is this how he will act to the media as President? The American people just want to know the woman they may be voting for.
Posted by: Renee | September 2, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
Jim in OH, I agree with you about Obama.
“He is an unprincipled elitist whose world views have been shaped by communists, socialists, terrorists, indicted fundraisers, anti-American preachers, and Chicago thugs. But somehow those associations aren’t newsworthy. Palin’s daughter! Now that’s important to our country’s future! The press has spent much more effort in the past five days digging up dirt on Palin than they ever spent unraveling Obama’s past and connections to radical organizations (like ACORN, the masters of voter fraud) in the past 19 months! You can’t make this stuff up. I’ll make a prediction. If by some fit of insanity Americans do elect Obama, you will quickly see a REAL case of buyer’s remorse unprecedented in our history.”
Posted by: mart | September 2, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
KChicago,
Your right about that! After Obama and Biden win everything will be right!!
McCain will be back in the Senate where he belongs and Sarah will be back up in Alaska shooting animals from airplanes (oops I meant hunting) and trying to fund the “bridge to nowhere” again!!
Nobody in the Obama camp gives a hoot about Palin’s kid being pregnant fools! We care that she is a liar and a “poser” just like her Grandpappy McCain!!!
Check out her “Bridge to Nowhere fairy tale, MY FRIENDS!!!
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN3125537020080901
Obama/Biden ’08!!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
I humbly change my stance because I am a moron.
Which has more experience: Obama or Palin? Lets get real. Obama has been in washington for 4 years. Palin has been gov of alaska for 2 years. Alaska has fewer people in it than Obama’s neighborhood in Chicago. Obama is a lawyer — has a real legal education. Palin was a sportscaster. Obama is Harvard educated. Palin is from iowa state. Come on, get a clue.
Posted by: mart | September 2, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm
Renee, Palin was just selected on Friday as McCain’s VP and the GOP convention is in full swing so Palin is busy preparing for her big acceptance speech tomorrow. What you should be asking is why Obama is refusing to participate with McCain in town hall meetings or go on the O’Reilly factor as Obama promised he would do? Obama is the one who is afraid he cannot handle tough questions and will only appear with the media types he is confident will ask only the softest of questions.
Posted by: mart | September 2, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
Renee,
If Gov. Palin is so qualified, why is the campaign refusing to let her interview with any media? They must be afraid of the questions they might ask…
Your absolutely right! Just wait until she hits the Sunday talk show circuit!! What a laugh that will be! She is nothing but some “hockey mom” beauty queen lightweight!!
McDummy won’t let anyone talk with her now, as he doesn’t want everyone to see the giant mistake he made!!!
You can’t hide your new squeeze forever John!! Just can’t wait until that first interview or better yet press conference!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama/Biden ’08!!
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Yeah, like Obama is going to go on the o’reilly factor? Get real. O’reilly isn’t a reporter, he’s a partisan hack with an agenda. Obama agreed to half a dozen town hall meetings and Mccain said no dice, a dozen or nothing because really he didnt’ want to have them either. Obama doesnt’ need to be afraid, he thinks better on his feet than John “I still don’t know the difference between Suni and shiia” McCain.
Posted by: mart | September 2, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
mart
Nice try but your manifesto is all BS. Even if there was anything to any of that gibberish you just posted and the MSM was ignoring it, don’t you think that the National Enquirer, that paragon of journalism would have gone through the trash and turned over every stone to get something? And before you start laughing, look at what they did to John Edwards! Face it, there was noting there. There’s a story out now about a church that Palin attends where some guest speaker made some questionalable remarks about the Palestinians and Israel. Let’s see if they go chasing after that story the way they did Rev. Wright! It’s typical of many of you on these posts. Instead of trying to defend the charges and accusations against Palin, you look to pivot and drag Obama into this. I guess when you have nothing to add, you just change the subject. Those are the Republican talking points. Pathetic!
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
As a Republican watching the convention,
all I’ve seen is a lily white bunch of
single issue fear and warmongers that want to continue to fool the American people with scare tactics and snake oil salesmen. The Neocons and their Jinsa and Aipac masters, fronted by Lieberman as well as the bought and paid for GOP insiders and lobbyists who are the front men for the NWO, are putting a happy face on a new cold war, war with Iran, a continuing occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan. They talk about rebuilding these countries and democracy there. How about doing that first here in America First. McBush in 2008 4 MORE WARS. This crowd sold out
the Real Americans and has duped the
Sheeple twice The third time will be the charm. If it happens, The American experiment will surely be over.
Posted by: joe malone | September 2, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm
the murder of Donald Young, a 47-year-old choir master at former Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s Trinity United Church of Christ—the same congregation that Obama has attended for the past 20 years. Two other young black men that attended the same church—Larry Bland and Nate Spencer—were also murdered execution style with bullets to the backs of their heads—all within 40 days of each other, beginning in November 2007. All three were openly homosexual.
What links this story to Barack Obama is that, according to an acquaintance of Obama, Larry Sinclair, Obama is a closet bisexual with whom he had sexual and drug-related encounters in November 1999.
Further, Sinclair claims that Obama was friendly with at least two of these deceased parishioners, and that choir director Donald had contacted him shortly before being murdered from multiple gunshot wounds on December 23, 2007.
Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
I don’t really care what Obama does. He doesn’t represent my party. McCain and Palin are represents my party.
Obama doesn’t want to do town halls because they are not debate. It is a venue for them to talk unchallenged. They won’t even be in the room together. I want to see a debate. I have heard their prepared remarks before. I want to see how they answer questions on the fly.
We saw how McCain answers questions on the fly…
just like Rudy’s noun-verb-911 McCain answers “I will refer to my friends
(insert names here)that I am surrounded by. Or, noun-verb-pow.
Don’t get me wrong, I respect his service, but he undermines it by using it to answer questions with no relation to it.
Posted by: Renee | September 2, 2008, 10:52 pm 10:52 pm
I’m getting off of this blog because it’s teaming with idiots! I don’t blame you McCain and brain dead Hillary supporters. Obama took her down and made her disappear and he’s going to do the same thing to the dirty old man and his soul mate! Good Night and Good Luck, Losers!
Posted by: roxanne | September 2, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm
Oh and Mart-
She surely could have given 5 minutes to one of the thousands of journalists around her since friday. Get Real.
McCain wanted Leiberman, they wouldn’t let him so he picked the most unqualified person on the approved list. reference my prediction above.
Posted by: Renee | September 2, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
Roxanne put on your red light
Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm
HEY REPUBLICANS!!
I have been watching your convention. Say aren’t there any people of color in your party??? Serious, there isn’t hardly an Asian, Black or Hispanic face in the whole convention!!!
What the heck is going on here? What a FAILURE your little Lilly White gathering is!
Say how come Bush didn’t come in person? The storm was over last night and he is only a short Helicopter flight away… And where is Cheney? He isn’t doing anything related to Gustov!!
I think you guys just don’t want the standard bearers and HEROs of your party there…
WHY NOT??? TELL ME WHY NOT!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm
The day after New Year’s 1996, operatives for Barack Obama filed into a barren hearing room of the Chicago Board of Election Commissioners.
There they began the tedious process of challenging hundreds of signatures on the nominating petitions of state Sen. Alice Palmer, the longtime progressive activist from the city’s South Side. And they kept challenging petitions until every one of Obama’s four Democratic primary rivals was forced off the ballot.
Fresh from his work as a civil rights lawyer and head of a voter registration project that expanded access to the ballot box, Obama launched his first campaign for the Illinois Senate saying he wanted to empower disenfranchised citizens.
But in that initial bid for political office, Obama quickly mastered the bare-knuckle arts of Chicago electoral politics. His overwhelming legal onslaught signaled his impatience to gain office, even if that meant elbowing aside an elder stateswoman like Palmer.
Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
I do not believe the person who signed his name as “mart” is really mart. Who ever signed his name as mart is the real moron and thus a typical Obama supporter.
In reply, for the record the number of people Obama represented in Illinois as a State Senator was approximately 200,000. The number of people that Governor Palin governs in Alaska is approximately 700,000. Obama’s total executive level experience is zero. Palin total executive level experience is over seven years.
In response to a question to Obama about his executive experience, Obama claimed that he had more experience than Palin because of his experience managing his Presidential campaign. However, in May of 2008 Obama said “Over the last 15 months, we’ve traveled to every corner of the United States. I’ve now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it.” So it looks like Obama is not running his campaign his staff is according to Obama himself.
Further, Obama refused to take on the corrupt Democratic political machine in Chicago, in fact Obama is a member in good standing of the corrupt political machine in Chicago. In contrast, Palin took on the corrupt political machine in Alaska and won.
So has more executive level experience, Obama or Palin? Answer: Palin. Who has a track record of taking on the corrupt political machine in their own party. Obama or Palin? Answer: Palin. Therefore it should be clear to all that Palin is much more qualified to be President than Obama.
McCain/Palin 08
Posted by: daryl | September 2, 2008, 11:05 pm 11:05 pm
Davis, you sound like a racist to me thus a typical Obama supporter.
Posted by: gary | September 2, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm
NBRA
Many blacks love the Democratic party that: (1) fought to keep blacks in slavery; (2) started the Ku Klux Klan to lynch and terrorize Republicans—black and white; (3) passed the discriminatory Black Codes and Jim Crow laws; (4) fought every piece of civil rights legislation from the 1860′s to the 1960′s; and (5) attacked Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and other civil rights protesters with skin-burning fire hoses and vicious dogs.
While hiding the racist past of the Democratic Party, Obama refuses to give credit to the Republican Party that: (1) started in 1854 as the anti-slavery party and fought to free blacks from slavery; (2) amended the Constitution to grant blacks freedom, citizenship and the right to vote; (3) started the NAACP to stop the Democrats from lynching blacks; (4) passed the civil rights laws of the 1860′s that were overturned by the Democrats when they took over Congress in 1892; (5) founded the HBCUs; (6) started affirmative action enforcement in 1969 to help blacks get jobs and contracts based on merit; and (7) fought the Democrats for over six decades until Republicans finally achieved passage of the civil rights laws of the 1950′s and 1960′s under the leadership of Republican Senator Everett Dirksen of Illinois.
Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Renee, VP candidates are held to lower standards than Presidential candidates. VP’s are junior executives who learn on the job. It’s always been like that. Campell Brown is a well-known shill for Obama and is clearly looking to smear McCain and Palin further. I know I wouldn’t subject myself to that kind of partisan nonsense. If Brown were competent, she should be asking Obama/Biden the question, “Why is the Democratic ticket upside-down?”, and “How is a six-term Senator on the ticket change from typical Washington politics?” and “Why is there no one on the Democratic ticket with executive decision-making experience?” I won’t hold my breath. Palin is a CEO of a state. She’s already an executive. She’ll round out the rest of her experience as a VP. She’s a very quick learner. The reason why Senators generally don’t make good executive leaders is because legislative experience is way different than executive experience. JFK had a lot of problems because of this. For Palin, it’s actually an easier jump than it is for McCain. Palin’s speech tomorrow night should clarify a lot of questions people have about her. I really do think Americans will embrace her. I’m not worried about Palin’s appeal, experience, and competence. I’m more worried that the left will destroy her and her family, which is their total intent. Three front-page anti-Palin stories on the NYT alone today! Did you see that kind of scrutiny of Obama or John Edwards? It’s disgusting.
Posted by: Jim in OH | September 2, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
Well, the awaited media feeding frenzy is pretty much as expected.
Perhaps the surge at Sarah Palin is a bit more rabid in an effort to get the highest ratings, but the “lynch mob” mentality is quite evident.
Regardless of what media hype has not yet created about Sarah Palin, we do KNOW this much:
1. Sarah Palin has energized a feeble number of women voters who were going to sit this one out, and they won’t be voting for anyone who matters.
2. Sarah Palin has got more attention and scrutiny from the RePUBIC Party
in a few days than John (Grampy) McSame got in 18 months.
3. Glenn Beck was the only talk show host that got it right on the Sarah Palin choice and did an interview.
4. Regarding economic policy, Sarah Palin supports “a free market system allows all parties to compete, which ensures outsourcing of American jobs to India, Pakistan and China.
5. Sarah Palin is pro-contraception, pro-woman, and pro-life.
(Oh really? …It that where her daughter learned about contraception? From her “Pro-Woman/ Pro-contraception” Mom???
The same one who refuses sex ed (pregnancy prevention education) in high school?
6. Sarah Palin respects the sanctity of marriage and defines such as a union between a man and a woman.
(And a boy and a girl…obviously.)
7. Sarah Palin supports the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms…but never bared her middrift when ”pregnant” last year.
And the list goes on…
This candidate was never thoroughly vetted. The RePUBIC Party is scrambling to keep up now!
And, as always,
Don’t be insane by voting ”Grampy McSame!…
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 2, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm
ditto
Jim in OH, I agree with you about Obama.
“He is an unprincipled elitist whose world views have been shaped by communists, socialists, terrorists, indicted fundraisers, anti-American preachers, and Chicago thugs. But somehow those associations aren’t newsworthy. Palin’s daughter! Now that’s important to our country’s future! The press has spent much more effort in the past five days digging up dirt on Palin than they ever spent unraveling Obama’s past and connections to radical organizations (like ACORN, the masters of voter fraud) in the past 19 months! You can’t make this stuff up. I’ll make a prediction. If by some fit of insanity Americans do elect Obama, you will quickly see a REAL case of buyer’s remorse unprecedented in our history.”
Posted by: sam | September 2, 2008, 11:11 pm 11:11 pm
Samantha,
Take a look at what the republican elite did to get McCain to the top.
Very corrupt business. Stopping caucuses if McCain wasn’t ahead, challenging signatures that were clearly legal, throwing votes for other candidates in the trash, excluding qualified candidates names from the ballot who should have been on, illegally accepting public financing to get ballot access and use a collateral on loans only to withdraw after getting ballot access and loans.
Face it both sides are corrupt.
Posted by: Renee | September 2, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm
RETHUG CONVENTION UPDATE!!
Wow I saw two big speeches tonight. One from what’s his name “the actor that used to be on Law and Order” (Fred Thompson) that gave a 30 minute speech about every broken bone and splinter McCain got while being a POW 40 YEARS AGO!!
What does that matter, what does being a POW for 5 years 40 Years ago have to do with running a country in the 21st Century?? WHAT? PLEASE INFORM ME!!
TALK ABOUT THE POW CARD BEING PLAYED, these fools have the whole deck out!!!
Next up was Loserman. Again talking about the POW Card and how he had to whisper who the enemy was in John McCains ear!!
Neither of them said what they would do for the country to their “Lilly White” audience of gray haired fat people…
This whole thing looks like some infomercial for the white, bald and rich retirement village!!!
WHAT A JOKE!!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
mart, plenty of us attended state schools and we’re a helluva lot smarter and more accomplished than Obama. Washington is full of politicians who went to elite schools. Have you not noticed the results?
Posted by: Jim in OH | September 2, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm
“What does that matter, what does being a POW for 5 years 40 Years ago have to do with running a country in the 21st Century?”
davis were you ever a POW? Just curious.
Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
Davis, you sound like a racist to me thus a typical Obama supporter.
Posted by: gary | Sep 2, 2008 11:07:48 PM
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I am not a Racist! I am a 50 year old white guy! Turn on your TV’s you Republican fools! Geez, at least they could have gotten a few “token” people of color for the cameras!
Didn’t they think anyone would be watching them on TV? Oh, I guess not!
OBAMA/BIDEN ’08!!!!!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm
Samantha,
Give me a break! Again fools, what does being a POW 40 years ago have to do with being the president of our country in the 21st Century??
Just answer the question Samantha!
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Okay Davis. I take it that you were never a POW. Enough said. You are just another Kool Aid drinking Iphone packing moron who has never served is country in the military, the way my brother and uncles did or John McCain. My brother is in Africa now fighting for stupid BOTS like you. I will go with the POW card over the Race card anyday.
Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm
Jim-
The media says VPs are held to a lower standard so it must be true. A president could die or be killed on the first day, why would we not hold VPs to the same standard.
Why is Campbell Brown asking about Palin’s experience shilling for Obama. It is shilling for the American People. It is a serious question. I like Palin. But she is clearly unqualified.
Don’t give me crap about Obama being unqualified. He speciallized in International Relations at Columbia. Can Ms. Palin tell me how the difference between realism, leberalism, neoliberalism, regime theory? Can she tell me the effects of globalization? She said she doesn’t even pay attention to the Iraq war. So don’t tell me she has more experience and knowledge than Barack. I don’t agree with his views, but lets not tell lies about him. Lets tell the truth about Palin. She is an awesome Gov. from Alaska that is an up and comer in the party and could go far, but not if they ruin her now with John McCain’s boring and redundant campaign.
Posted by: Renee | September 2, 2008, 11:24 pm 11:24 pm
Jim in OH,
Grampy McSame is one birthday candle away from the big dirt nap…and you want an on-the-job-trainee running the country???
McCain has had 4 cancers.
He’s already older than both his father and grandfather were when they died…
He’s known as an angry, loose cannon by his own party -which is why they weren’t behind him until the very last minute…and judging by his inability to remember the number 7; can’t remember how many houses he owns.
(Just SAY Alzheimers and get on with it.)
So when, not if, he falls over dead in office; we’re supposed to hand over the keys to the country to the mayor of Moosepoop Alaska!
She was a p/t volunteer “Mayor/Manager” then an 18 month governor of a state with less population than Erie County, NY.
Some states won’t give you a Cosmetology License with only 18 months under your belt, but you, BRILLIANTLY, want her in line to be President.
(What is in the water in Ohio!?!?)
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 2, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm
DemocratIC Party, As usual as an Obama supporter you come off as a racist and a sexist. So here goes.
1. Obama has energized a bunch of brain dead racist and sexist voters who could care less about Obama’s long term ties to the corrupt Chicago political machine, crooks, unrepentant domestic terrorists and racists. Nor his lack of experience.
2. Obama has got less attention and scrutiny from the media in the
in the last 18 months than Palin has in the last few days.
3. Obama refuses to go on any talk show that might challenge him on the issues because he knows he is too dumb to answer the questions without a teleprompter.
4. Regarding economic policy, Obama supports higher taxes on small businesses and corporations that will ensure outsourcing of American jobs to India, Pakistan and China.
5. Obama is for infanticide. Obama voted against a bill that would protect the life of a child born alive after a botched abortion than lied about the reason he voted against the bill. Obama said he would not “want to punish his daughters with a baby”
6. Obama disrespects the sanctity of marriage and defines such as a union between a man and a woman.
7. Obama is against the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms…
And the list goes on…
Obama was never thoroughly vetted. The
Democratic Party is scrambling to keep up now! Soon even the mainstream media will not be able to protect Obama from his radical and anti American past.
And, as always,
Don’t be insane by voting for the mentally challenged 57 State Obama
Posted by: jerry | September 2, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Samantha,
You didn’t answer the question, you typical Republican troll…
For your information fool, I spent 6 years in the Army. So don’t get up on your “high and mighty” horse loser!
Just answer the question! What does being a POW 40 years ago have to do with running this country???
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
“governor of Alaska, the geographically largest State in the Union.”
(umm, err, btw, uhh *47th* in population.) :)
grasping at straws, much, Mart?
but, hey, after all, what does a governor govern anyway?
people, or, you know . . . umm . . empty space?
but at least she had the good sense to inhale!
Posted by: Mike | September 2, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm
Jerry,
You’re a tool and because your post wasn’t even logical, it wasn’t even clever.
You’re another sheep who’ll follow Grampy McSame off the cliff.
(VOTE OBAMA…there’s no other choice.)
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 2, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Davis, why should the color of someone skin be an issue for you? Are you a racist? Answer Yes, I always judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character, that is why I am voting for Obama.
Posted by: Tammy | September 2, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm
Darn straights there is BUYERS REMORSE among Republicans! Their new leader McDummy screwed them with this “lightweight scandal ridden” VP pick!!!
They won’t let her talk to reporters, but say she is tough as nails…
Who is this “Beauty Queen Hockey Mom” anyway, Chelsie Clinton? Come on McCain roll this woman out and let the press get a crack at her!! What’s wrong, afraid??
Figures you old senile fool…
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
DemocratIC Party, Since you only named called, as a typical Obama supporter, and did not dispute anything I said, you must agree with everything I said.
McCain/Palin 08
Posted by: jerry | September 2, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
Davis you are a liar. You have posted otherwise on this very same board and your past changes to suit whatever pount you make. Even if you were in the Army you obviously did not have a military career but like I said you are a liar and a porole violation is the closest you you ever come to having “served”.
I hope that you enjoy the cigarettes you are buying with the $11 an hour that Obama is paying you to blog. If you are on this site it must be your shift which starts at 10PM.
Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Davis, why should the color of someone skin be an issue for you? Are you a racist? Answer Yes, I always judge people by the color of their skin and not the content of their character, that is why I am voting for Obama.
Posted by: Tammy | Sep 2, 2008 11:34:43 PM
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Tammy,
What are you nuts? can’t you read? I am one of the biggest Obama supporters you will ever meet! I think you need to go up and actually read some of my posts!
Man, dummies come from BOTH parties!!
Obama/Biden ’08!!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Jerry,
You didn’t say anything.
Now out of the basement and into bed with you.
Your parents are getting angry.
Obama…”The ONLY choice for Change.”
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 2, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm
Keep trying, dems. We can sense the fear just from your increasingly desperate posts.
Posted by: JRinLA | September 2, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm
Samantha,
You are just a hopeless Republican troll that won’t answer a simple question…
Your also an idiot that doesn’t know what you are talking about, hasn’t been paying attention and not worth arguing with…
Posted by: Davis | September 2, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
JRinLA,
LOLOLOL!!! Yeah!
Were SHAKING here!!!
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 2, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
Davis,
Darn straights there is BUYERS REMORSE among Democrats! Their new leader mentally handicapped 57 State Obama screwed them with his scandal ridden past associations with unrepentant domestic terrorist Ayers, the corrupt Chicago Political machine, convicted felon Rezco and God D#### America Rev. Wright Obama’s Pastor for Twenty years.
They won’t let him talk to reporters like OReilly, but say he is tough as nails…
Who is this unvetted beauty queen, Obama who brings shivers up the legs of the fawning media anyway? Chelsie Clinton? Come on Democratic Party roll this man child out and let O Reily get a crack at him! What’s wrong, afraid Obama can’t cut it when it comes to the hard questions??
Figures you brain dead racist and sexist Obama supporters.
Posted by: mary | September 2, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
Davis is a paid Obama blogger. End of Story. He comes on every night hoping to influence some weak minded individual into drinking Kool Aid for Obama.
Posted by: Samantha | September 2, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
DemocratIC Party, what is the obsession on the left with death and ageism? Palin is a state governor who is extremely popular for being principled and decisive in an executive setting. Obama would be an inexperienced fool from Day 1. What’s he going to do? Defer all important esecutive decisions to his VP? It sure appears that way. Or maybe he’ll tap his pool of 300 advisors or maybe even a focus group for guidance. Is that what passes for Presidential leadership now?
Posted by: Jim in OH | September 2, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
Msary wants to share a loofa with O’ Really.
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 2, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
Would someone explain to me why they thought a ”wide stance” elephant was supposed to be a good idea for the RePubican’s Convention?
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 2, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
DemocratIC Party, Again, instead of replying to any specifics you just name call. As to “change” what change, be specific.
== Higher taxes on small businesses and corporations that will drive jobs out of the US to China, India, etc.
– Higher Gas prices due to the fact Obama refuses to drill for more oil build new refineries or new nuclear power plants.
– Pie and the sky government programs that there is not enough money in the whole wide world to pay for that will bankrupt the US,
– Control of everyone’s life by government fiat until everyone in the US is a mere slave of the government elite just standing listless in a long line waiting for the next hand out.
Posted by: jerry | September 2, 2008, 11:57 pm 11:57 pm
Hey Palin Fans!
Sarah has a nut case Pastor too!! His name is Ed Kalnins.
A review of recorded sermons by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin’s longtime spiritual home.
That means there are videos!!!!
The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to Hell…
Questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven, he charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war “contending for your faith;” and said that Jesus “operated from that position of war mode.”
And if the political storm over Barack Obama’s former pastor Jeremiah Wright is any indication, Palin may face some political fallout over the MORE controversial teachings of Wasilla Assembly of God.
Gee, I remember the fuss all you Republicans made about Obama’s Rev. Hope you don’t mind if we do the same thing, OK!!!
Palin, the GIFT that keeps on giving!!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 3, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
Democrat President John F. Kennedy is lauded as a civil rights advocate. In reality, Kennedy voted against the 1957 Civil rights Act while he was a senator, as did Democrat Senator Al Gore, Sr. After he became president, John F. Kennedy opposed the 1963 March on Washington by Dr. King that was organized by A. Phillip Randolph who was a black Republican. President Kennedy, through his brother Attorney General Robert Kennedy, had Dr. King wiretapped and investigated by the FBI on suspicion of being a Communist in order to undermine Dr. King.
In an effort to shift the racist past of the Democratic Party to the Republican Party, Democrats point a finger at Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called “Southern Strategy.” These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats; yet unfairly deride Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party that began in the 1970′s. Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” was an effort on his part to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and some Southern states are still controlled by Democrats, including Louisiana until the 2007 election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color.
Posted by: Samantha | September 3, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am
DemocratIC Party, Again, instead of replying to any specifics you just name call. As to “change” what change, be specific.
== Higher taxes on small businesses and corporations that will drive jobs out of the US to China, India, etc.
Not true: Higher/their FAIR SHARE of taxes to lerge corporations who are already outsourcing jobs while organizing to prevent unionizing of jobs -which would provide insurance/ health care to US citizens.
For example: Corporations like Haliburton who have offshore PO boxes so they can avoid paying taxes SHOULD be forced to pay.
You made up the part about small businesses.
Obama also wants to raise taxes on the wealthiest 1% (think “billionaires”) so they also pay their FAIR share.
– Higher Gas prices due to the fact Obama refuses to drill for more oil build new refineries or new nuclear power plants.
We don’t NEED to drill for more oil.
Theye are thousands of square miles that they’re not even touching which is already reserved for their drilling.
The REAL question is WHY do they REALLY want more land?
Additionally, 3 cents less per gallon, 25 years from now does NOT make any difference at all.
Anyone with a brain in their head would say: Let’s get ahead of the curve! The next “Man on the Moon” challege should be for scientists to replace oil completely with new technology and sell THAT to the REST of the planet.
Pie and the sky government programs that there is not enough money in the whole wide world to pay for that will bankrupt the US,
You’re writing vague crap that time.
Unless you’re referring to pie-in-the-sky Creationism “Science” that Palin wants to push.
– Control of everyone’s life by government fiat until everyone in the US is a mere slave of the government elite just standing listless in a long line waiting for the next hand out.
As opposed to NOW?
The RePubic government has allowed the banks to run amok owning everyone.
If they’re not going to teach the fundamentals of economics in schools anymore…
the credit card companies shouldn’t be allowed to WRITE anti-bankrupcy laws which the RePubic Congress passed.
If The RePubics want to exclude banks/credit cards from personal bankrupsies…
then they should put a 12% maximum cap on the INTEREST RATES that the banks can charge on credit card debt.
Obama wants to limit usery.
(Credit Card Gouging.)
Now THAT is change.
Vote OBAMA for CHANGE (or you’ll be begging for change)
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 3, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
What we know about Obama
1. Association with a US terrorist.
2. Mentor was an anti-white, anti-Semitic and anti-American “pastor”
3. Did not clean up any corruption in IL
4. Did no significant work in the Senate
5. Friend and real estate associate was just convicted.
6. Snorted coke
7. Smoked pot
8. Drank heavily
8. Smokes cigarettes
9. Wife thinks our souls are broken and was never proud of her country until her husband was nominated
Posted by: Barry | September 3, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
Samantha,
It’s Democrat IC Party…
Only A-holes say Democrat Party.
If you can’t spell it get a dictionary.
(Or maybe we should call you SaManThighs until you get it right.
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 3, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
Samantha,
Your showing your ignorance again…
The South has been Republican ever since President Johnson signed the civil rights act of 1964 you dunce!
He even said at the time “he knew that he was handing the south over to the Republicans for decades to come.”
Look it up fool!!!
Plus the stuff about Kennedy is a lie too, you idiot! You are just insulting to a normal persons intelligence, on top of being a lying Republican troll!!!
You need to start getting your history from History books, instead of the FOX Noise, Karl Rove or other right wing-nut websites…
People like you that lie about or don’t know about history are down right dangerous to our country and its good citizens….
Posted by: Davis | September 3, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
Renee, McCain was not my first pick, but we have what we have. Certainly I would love to have an up-and-comer like Palin in place with more experience, but that doesn’t make Obama any more appealing. His International Relations curriculum doesn’t count at all in my book. I took a ton of economics classes in college, but that doesn’t make me qualified to be an economist. I understand how executives operate because I work with them on a daily basis. I observe their traits, how they view problems, how they do risk assessment, and how they make difficult decisions that can have huge consequences. Palin operates just like them. Obama is not able to fully grasp the enormity of some situations and often has to make restatements on positions over several days to clarify himself. The Russia/Georgia conflict is one glaring example. It took Obama three days to figure out who the bad guy was. McCain got it right the first time. That’s what I expect in a competent executive. What I think Obama does is rely on a network of hand-selected “experts” to script and polish his responses. Whenever he speaks extemporaneously, he becomes totally unfocused and drifts into the “world of nuance.” Remember the Saddleback forum? That was a disaster for him. That’s why he avoids open-ended town hall debates like the plague. Without external guidance, he comes off sounding very wishy-washy. In any case, he doesn’t have the mettle to be an effective executive, at least from my observations. And, despite what everyone says, he’s not all that intelligent either. Any one of us can sound intelligent if we’re scripted by talented writers.
Posted by: Jim in OH | September 3, 2008, 12:24 am 12:24 am
Read “A Covenant With Life: Reclaiming MLK’s Legacy”, in which MLK’s niece, Dr. Alveda C. King, affirms that her uncle Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican.
Posted by: Samantha | September 3, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Barry,
You trolls are ridiculous.
Didn’t Grampy McCain dump wife #1 after an accident for younger, rich wife #2?
Didn’t he publically call wife #2 a c-nt in one of his classic fits of rage on the campaign trail?
Didn’t McSame consistantly vote WITH bush while desperately trying to cling to his ”maverick” moniker?
Didn’t McCain sell out the US on film while captive in Viet Nam?
Didn’t he do this because he was tortured?
Didn’t he vote for torture along with bush?
Won’t that put our soldiers in danger of being tortured in the future…because if we ignore the Geneva Convention, why shouldn’t our opponants?
Didn’t McInsane CONSISTANTLY vote against funding for veterans…along with Bush?
Yeah, you’re a good republican but a bad American and a shity human being.
THAT’s why I rag on you RePUBICans.
You’re intelectually uncurious and morally dishonest.
If you vote for one more second of Republican corruption you should all burn in hell.
I’m out.
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 3, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
SaMANthighs,
Try reading a Cat-In-a-Hat…
It’s about this fictional cat, see…
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 3, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
davis get your facts straight. I am a Southerner. You are the dunce. I hate it when Obama supporters can’t stand to here the truth. The Dems have thrown Blacks under the bus for years. The Democratic Party has hijacked the civil rights record of the Republican Party and taken blacks down the path of Socialism that has turned our black communities run by Democrats for the past 40 years into economic and social wastelands.
Posted by: joyce | September 3, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
Samantha,
Don’t give us BS you Republican troll, back up your lies with some facts!!!
The Kennedy lie and your southern strategy lie, you dunce!!!
Tell us all about LBJ and the civil right act of 1964 when the Democrats lost the south to the Republican racists!!! Since you know so much history fool!
You know as much as your hero McDummy and his new squeeze beauty queen Palin!!
Posted by: Davis | September 3, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am
DemocratIC Party
Higher taxes on corporations and small businesses will drive jobs out of the US as proven in the Carter years. This is just common sense. Private corporations are profit driven which is a good thing as the profits are used to create jobs, develop new technology and pay dividends to people who own stocks or bonds. When taxes go up, corporations and small business must either lay off people to pay for the higher taxes or in the case of corporations, just move to some other country with lower taxes.
Drilling for more oil off shore and in Anwar makes sense since that is where the oil is and the oil is relatively easy to get to. Oil companies do not want to drill for oil on the current land leases because the oil is difficult to get to or the land has no oil. In any case, why not let the oil companies drill where they know the oil is and where the oil is easy to get to? Obama is also against building new refineries and new nuclear power plants. Without a growing energy supply, the US economy will decline, our standard of living will go down and more people will be out of jobs.
Obama’s plan for non carbon based power is just not feasible at this time wind and sun just will not provide the energy the US needs to sustain our current level of growth. Even Pickens plan admits that wind power is unreliable and will require a massive natural gas backup plan. The real question is why do this at great cost to the tax payer when the oil, coal and natural gas is there for the taking. Every other Nation in the world is going gang busters trying to get every last drop of oil they can. Why not the US?
As to pie and the sky government programs that the US cannot afford. To be more specific, Obama is proposing over a TRILLION dollars in new government programs and his plan to pay for these new programs just does not add up if you do the math.
As to government by fiat running our lives, just hear what Obama is saying, everything he talks about has a government component associated with it from health care to education to the so called green jobs he is talking about. Everything. That is why there is such concern about Obama’s communist mentors and their influence on him and his policies.
If you want change that equals:
Loss of jobs on a massive scale
Higher gas prices
A lower standard of living
Your life run by government fiat
I guess Obama is your guy.
Posted by: jerry | September 3, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am
Barack Obama voted against the minimum wage bill even though Democrats used minimum wage as a wedge issue during the 2006. Actually, it was Richard Nixon who first implemented affirmative action with the expanded 1969 Philadelphia Plan, assisted by black Republican Art Fletcher who was known as the “father of affirmative action enforcement.” Nixon was also responsible for the passage of civil rights legislation in the 1970’s.
Posted by: joyce | September 3, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
jerry,
if retard-reagan hadn’t defunded all of the research for alternative fuels back in the 80′s we MIGHT not be in this mess.
Two words: Cold Fusion.
Regarding nuclear plants, two more words: Nuclear Waste.
Regarding drilling:
Let the frigging oil stay in the frigging ground.
Stop thinking inside the box.
Posted by: DemocratIC Party | September 3, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Jim -
You should go read some more information about Georgia and Russia. The fact is that Georgia did not want South Ossetia to break away from them. South Ossetia should have the right to break away if they choose. Georgia attacked them for trying to rejoin Russia. Russia defended South Ossetia’s decision and struck back.
Our government decided to protect the oil on Georgia’s shores instead of doing the right thing and staying the hell out of other countries business. It is the same thing we do over and over.
We pay both sides of a fight or pay one side to overthrow their government. We did it with Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan…Then when we don’t like the blowback we do it again. It is ridiculous.
South Ossieta declared its independence from Georgia in the 90′s. The international community chose not to recognize it. The PEOPLE OF South Ossieta voted almost 100% to break away. Who are we to tell them they are wrong. They have a right to defend themselves or have their allies defend them.
For Condi to declare that in the 21st century we don’t overthrow governments and invade other countries is complete hypocrisy.
How about that propaganda. Look beyond the administration talking points.
Posted by: Renee | September 3, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
joyce, you’re totally right. But that comes from simplistic liberal thinking. Everyone is pigeonholed into neat little groups and attributes are automatically assigned to them. This is why Hillary supporters are such a big problem for Obama. Despite his campaign’s claims that these supporters will “fall in line”, they fail to understand that women have very diverse views and different priorities and they’re tired of being taken for granted. The ones who now support Palin after seeing Obama destroy Hillary are called traitors and idiots by Obama supporters (see the Hillary forums). This is how the left demonstrates their virtues of tolerance, compassion, and the diversity of opinions.
Posted by: Jim in OH | September 3, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
So the truth is beginning to come out
McCain vetted for TWO DAYS, well thats better than one day, I guess.
And McCain DID NOT KNOW about the teen daughters pregnancy conflicting with the initial statement that McCain knew.
Wow, all the lies, the cover up.
Posted by: Vette Gate | September 3, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
Jim-
McCain said outright that he relies on his expert friends to tell him the answers.
McCain is no more qualified than anyone else on foreign policy. He has gotten so many facts wrong. He continually goes against the expert opinion that he asked for. The 911 commission as well as the CIA said that our invasions and aggressive actions causes anti-american sentiment and have actually increased the number of and size of terrorist groups.
No one gets it. Violence begets violence. We cannot be everyones savior.
Posted by: Renee | September 3, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Headline Washington Post 9/3/08
Aides: Palin Interviewed Late In Game
Not interviewed until day before she was tapped
Either way dig in his, or her heels, or have her bail. It’s looks bad. It makes McCain look bad, It makes his campaign look bad.
Posted by: Drip drip drip | September 3, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
PALIN FANS!
Take a look at her decision making skills in a Life and Death situation…
http://img364.imageshack.us/img364/4628/sarahpalinla4.png
Do you think she is qualified to step in as President of the United States??
Posted by: Davis | September 3, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
HEY PALIN FANS!!
We don’t need any more thugs in the white house, even if they are pretty and wear a dress…
Palin’s Management Style is to Bully and Demand Political Loyalty. Palin’s tenure as mayor of Wasilla was marred by tremendous staff turnover, first when she fired most of the top staff — including the city’s librarian — because she questioned their loyalty, and then later when staff quit because of her micromanaging style.
Wasilla even lost the opportunity to hire a police chief because he said the job seemed too political.
Imagine what she could do if she had real power?? Scary….
Posted by: Davis | September 3, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
Buyers remorse? No way.
The evangelicals told McCain what they wanted, and John did exactly what he was told. When the storys about the meetings between McCains staff and the Dobson crowd in St. Paul come out this campaign is officially over.
He tried to suck up to Falwell, but he died on him. He sucked up to Rod Parsley another evangelical. He pandered to John Hagee, and then had to back away from that fruitcake. Palin was part of the deal. People are starting to talk.
Posted by: Dirty Deal | September 3, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
The party of Abraham Lincoln is nominating a secessionist for VP. Really? Really? Buyers remorse? Lemon law would be closer to the facts.
Posted by: Betty from New Jersey | September 3, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am
Jim
I never said Bush is creating more terrorists. Clinton was an interventionist nation builder as well. It is clear you don’t get the concept. Take a look at a country that is non interventionist. They don’t have terrorist attacks.
My view is simplistic because it is that simple. We need to mind our own. We spend so much time minding everyone else that we are leaving our borders open to these extremists.
I’m not saying terrorists wouldn’t exist. I’m saying they need a reason and a platform to rally their troops. We give it to them. Just like they gave it to us. They attacked us, and it rallied our troops. It brought us together when we were so divided because it gave us motivation to respond.
Which goes back to violence begetting violence. Clearly interventionism is not working. We have been involved in all of these conflicts and it has gotten us no where.
We armed saddam with the chemicals he used on his people. We befriended BinLaden and helped him take over afghanistan. What did this intervention get us? over 4000 dead soldiers and 40,000 injured soldiers. IS IT WORTH IT? IS IT FREAKING WORTH IT? This isn’t protecting freedom. This is playing risk and it is out of control. We would not be here if it wasn’t for our intervention. So go ahead, buy into the fear that we will be attacked by terrorists if we don’t invade every country that doesn’t agree with us. Go ahead and buy into the notion that Iran is going to attack us(even though they don’t even have a real army) Go ahead and join the war on terror. But remember that you are fighting an ideal, not a country or a person. You are fighting something that you cannot win. There will always be extremists, there are extremists in every religion that are fighting for the same exact thing with a different title. When you fight an ideal instead of a country or person it is an open ended conflict that will push us to the brink of extinction as a country. If Americans really love America, they will heed the advice and warnings of our founders, avoid entangling alliances and use diplomacy. Giving up our freedom in the name of freedom is sad.
In addition, ask our attackers why they did it. It is not because we are free and prosperous, it is because we march around on their holy sites and interfere in things we know nothing about.
Posted by: Renee | September 3, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
Mccain did Not vet This Woman at all !!!
Note: The surprises, however, continued Monday when it was revealed that Palin’s 17-year-old daughter was pregnant, that the governor had hired a lawyer to defend her in an ethics investigation, that she attended meetings of a fringe party calling for Alaskan independence and that her husband had been arrested for drunken driving.
Big Note: Ms. Clark said that Ms. Palin’s Husband, Todd, was a Former Member of the Party.
Big Note: After checking the party’s archives, Ms. Clark said that she could find no documentation that Governor Palin had been a member of the party.
She said Ms. Palin ATTENDED the party’s 1994 and 2006 Conventions and provided a Video-Taped Address as governor to the 2008 convention
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You were surprised, sure. But what about McCain?
September 2, 2008, 10:32 pm
Alaska Party Official Says Palin Was Not a Member
By The New York Times
The chairwoman of an Alaskan political party that advocates a vote on the state’s succession from the union said Tuesday that she had been mistaken when she said Gov. Sarah Palin was a member of the group.
A front-page story in The New York Times on Tuesday and articles in other news media reported that Ms. Palin was a member of the Alaska Independence Party for two years in the 1990’s.
Big Note: The information in the Times article was based on a statement issued Monday night by Lynette Clark, the party’s chairwoman, who said that Ms. Palin joined the party in 1994 and in 1996 changed her registration to Republican.
On Tuesday night, Ms. Clark said that her initial statement was incorrect and had been based on erroneous information provided by another member of the party whom she declined to identify. The McCain campaign also disputed the Times report, saying that Ms. Palin had been registered consistently as a Republican.
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Posted by: o. | September 3, 2008, 2:52 am 2:52 am
Renee, I actually agree with some of your points. However, I would invite you to read up a bit more on global terrorism. There are MANY non-interventionalist countries experiencing problems with brutal terrorism today–particularly in Africa. I don’t buy the moral equivalence argument of “extremists in every religion”. People of every major religion can co-exist peacefully side by side, with the notable exception of those of the Islamic faith. Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and Jews are slaughtered every week at the hands of Islamic terrorists all around the world. That will not magically disappear if all countries kept to themselves. While bizarre to us, the goal of Jihadists is to infiltrate and take down their host countries, with the ultimate goal of replacing the country’s laws with Sharia Law, as they are slowly doing in the UK, Denmark, and Norway with great success. And they have some really hateful crime related to it (honor killings, etc.) Those countries are having their cultures destroyed from within. Rather than fighting wars on foreign soil, this very well could be our fate in the future unless we are vigilant.
In any case, I do appreciate the discussion.
Posted by: Jim in OH | September 3, 2008, 3:51 am 3:51 am
According to Obama, you must be from Pennsylvania and clinging to your guns and religion, too.
Obama was correctly labeled as the most liberal and inexperienced nominee to ever run for President.
Or maybe the decisions of the job are just above his pay grade.
As Obama said, “Well, you know, I think that whether you’re looking at it from a theological perspective or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you know, is above my pay grade.”
Like Fred said, “Give me a tough Alaskan governor who has taken on the political establishment in the largest state in the Union — and won — over the Beltway business-as-usual crowd any day of the week.”
Anybody But Obama
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 3, 2008, 6:34 am 6:34 am
There will be buyers’ remorse if it turns out she really was involved with a secessionist political party.
That would make her a modern day Jefferson Davis. Pretty wild stuff.
Anyway, McCain shouldn’t have made such an important decision in such a kneejerk fashion.
Posted by: Paul | September 3, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Thoren – that is a good point.
The convention storyline is creating this myth of John McCain, the straight-talking guy who will stand up to the establishment.
And the reality is he has Palin because he wouldn’t stand up to the party with the pick he really wanted.
Posted by: Paul | September 3, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
Man or woman, Palin’s views on the issues are totally opposite of mine. What kind of a mother she is or what kind of experience she has don’t even matter to me at this point. I will vote for the ticket that best represents what I believe. I suggest you all do the same.
Posted by: obamamama | September 3, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am
Issues? So tell me, you are against these Palin issues?
The Right to Life?
The Constitution via the 2nd Amendment?
The Right to drill in a wasteland?
The Right to Less Taxes?
The Right to defend America in a war?
And finally, the top liberal cause of all….
The Right to Conservation and Save the Planet?
She supports ALL of these Rights. Do you?
Palin/McCain 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 3, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
I can’t wait for Obama to be president so I can quit my job and get free things! We should all quit so the Big O will provide for us with his campaign money (corporation).
Hey, no incentive to work feels great – thanks Mr. O!
Posted by: greg | September 3, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
All I can say is….what the hell was John McCain thinking?? He did not expect a media frenzy when naming such as unknown as her running mate. Now Republicans want to blame the media. How absurd! The media should continue to find out as much about Palin as quickly as possible. She will only have been scrutinized a whole two months before election day. Again, absurd! A person of so limited experience and John McCain asking Americans to trust him on his choice….Sorry, John…I will not trust you….Everything about Palin should be brought in the open just as it has been for every other candidate who has run for national office through this primary season. Unlike Mr. McCain and Mr. Bush I cannot look into someone’s eyes and see their soul.
Posted by: indy_voter | September 3, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
Sarah has EXECTUTIVE experience *running a government* (something NONE of the other candidates can actually boast, even John McCain as Governor of Alaska and got there by defeating the *incumbent* Republican Governor, who was definitely part of the “old school” and who WAS very much in the pocket of the big oil companies. We in Alaska wanted change – and we got it in the person of Sarah Palin!
Sarah Palin is everything she looks to be and more. Her approval rating as Governor of Alaska has been as high as 95% and is currently leveled out consistently in the upper 80 percentile throughout the state (and in both parties) – the HIGHEST approval rating of ANY sitting Governor.
Posted by: GoUSA247 | September 3, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm