Sep 10, 2008 5:30pm

Tax Impact

There are some interesting nuggets on taxes in our latest ABC/Post poll: Registered voters by a 17-point margin are more apt to think their taxes would rise under Barack Obama than under John McCain, a perception that cuts closely to vote preference.

So why are they even overall? Because Obama makes it back among those who see a positive or neutral tax impact.

All told 51 percent think their federal taxes would increase under an Obama presidency, while 34 percent think they’d pay more in taxes with McCain in the White House. Just 9 percent think McCain would cut their taxes; slightly more, 13 percent, say Obama would do so. The rest think their tax load would stay the same. (McCain, it's worth noting, has been running ads hammering Obama as a tax-raiser.)

Among people who think their taxes would go up under Obama, our poll finds that 72 percent support McCain for president; it’s interesting that nearly a quarter of them, 23 percent, support Obama anyway. Among those who think their taxes would rise under McCain, similarly, 75 percent support Obama; 18 percent stick with McCain nonetheless.

Since more people think Obama would raise their taxes, he loses more ground there. But he gets more support from people who think he’d cut their taxes or leave them alone than does McCain – and that brings the contest between them back essentially to a dead heat.

Specifically, McCain’s supported by about three-quarters of people who think he’d cut their taxes, but Obama wins 93 percent of those who think he’d bring their taxes down. And Obama does 7 points better than McCain among people who think he’d leave their taxes unchanged.

The interplay among these views helps explain why the two ultimately come out even in overall trust to handle taxes – 45 percent of registered voters pick Obama, 44 percent McCain – as well as in overall vote preference, 47-46 percent.

It’s also noteworthy that there’s less overlap on these questions than you might expect: Just 14 percent of registered voters say that both Obama and McCain alike would boost their taxes as president. That suggests we’re seeing political (and certainly partisan) judgments – but not sheer cynicism.

One other of our results touches on personal finances: Sixty-five percent of registered voters describe themselves as financially secure, about the same as in July; many fewer, though, say they’re “very” secure financially – just 20 percent. (We know from our weekly consumer confidence index that ratings of personal finances are always better than views of the buying climate and national economy.)

What’s interesting is the correlation with vote: Among financially secure Americans, McCain has a 55-38 percent lead; among the financially insecure (who’re more apt to be Democrats), it’s Obama by 63-30.

Per our Political Unit’s Teddy Davis, a summary of the candidates’ tax positions follows:

McCain says he’d make permanent the 2001 and 2003 income-tax cuts that expire at the end of 2010, including those that set the tax rate for most dividend and capital-gains income at 15 percent. He’d would preserve most of George W. Bush's temporary cut in estate taxes, establishing a 15 percent rate for estates worth $10 million or more.

McCain says he’d eliminate the alternative minimum tax, double the personal exemption for dependents from $3,500 to $7,000 and would cut the corporate income-tax rate from 35 percent to 25 percent.

Obama, for his part, says he’d make the 2001 and 2003 income-tax cuts permanent for individuals making less than $200,000 a year; people in the top two income-tax brackets would return to their 1990s tax levels of 36 percent and 39.6 percent (including the exemption and deduction phase-outs).

Obama says he’d return the top capital-gains rate for families making more than $250,000 to 20 percent; the tax rate on dividends also would be 20 percent for families making more than $250,000, rather than returning to the ordinary income rate. He proposes effectively to repeal the estate tax for 99.7 of estates, retaining it at 45 percent for estates valued at over $7 million per couple.

Obama also says he’d provide a yearly tax credit of $500 for individuals and $1,000 for married couples who work and pay Social Security taxes; and an exemption from income tax for people 65 and older earning less than $50,000 a year. On income above $250,000 per year Obama would impose an additional payroll tax of between 2 and 4 percent, starting in 10 years.

User Comments

I’s surprised that anyone would think Obama wouldn’t raise taxes. He’s promised millions more than could ever be raised by taxing the top 5% of wage earners. Where do his followers think the money will come from to implement all those programs.
ANSWER: From every American! No thanks!

Posted by: dl | September 10, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

If you make less than $250,000 a year and you vote for McCain, you’re voting to take money out of your own pocket. Under McCain’s plan…the more you make, the less you pay. Do the math people. Obama’s tax plan is the best plan for middle and lower class people.

Posted by: Hockey Moms for Obama | September 10, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

Its one of those claims that gets so much applause.
“I told Congress ‘thanks but no thanks,’ to that bridge to nowhere,” Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has said over and over on the campaign trail, CBS News correspondent Wyatt Andrews reports.
Palin just won’t let it go. But the truth is the governor never rebuffed Congress. Here are the facts.
After a year of supporting the proposed bridge, near Ketchikan, Palin pulled state funds from the project, which killed the bridge for good, but she never said “no thanks” to the Federal funds promised by Congress – $233 million.
In fact, here’s the list of how Palin is spending those federal tax dollars – on other highway projects around Alaska. As a candidate for governor, she defended every dollar for roads and bridges the state could wrangle from Washington, according to the Congressional Record and the Alaska Department of Transportation.
“I’m not going to stand in the way of progress that our Congressional delegation in the position of strength that they have right now, they are making those efforts for the state of Alaska,” Palin said.

Posted by: Reality Check | September 10, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Palin = $450 MILLION in EAR MARKS IN JUST TWO YEARS!

Posted by: Reality Check | September 10, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Hockey Moms for Obama
Sure, right. Dream on.

Posted by: dl | September 10, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

dl…apparently you aren’t good at math. It’s the truth. Confirmed by the independent Tax Policy Institute.

Posted by: Hockey Moms for Obama | September 10, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

McCain’s tax policy follows that of Bush and Reagan and might be likened to the old line that Steve Martin used to use on SNL: How to be a millionaire and Avoid Taxes— First You Have to Be a millionaire. Unfortunately all too many people are fooled all too easily.

Posted by: bhciapol | September 10, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

McCain’s tax policy follows that of Bush and Reagan and might be likened to the old line that Steve Martin used to use on SNL: How to be a millionaire and Avoid Taxes— First You Have to Be a millionaire. Unfortunately all too many people are fooled all too easily.

Posted by: bhciapol | September 10, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

So if McCain is a conservative, where is all that tax money from the lower and middle class going to. Probably that big expensive war in the Middle East. Under the Bush administration, there has been the largest transfer of wealth from the lower and middle class. You would have to be a total moron to think that you would have lower taxes under McCain. Unless of course if you are like the McCains making a lot of money. Perhaps this is why they support the Bush tax cuts.

Posted by: Andrew | September 10, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

Hockey Moms for Obama
Regardless of who promises to put money in my pocket, I don’t buy it nor do I want someone elses money regardless as to where they got it. We all have an obligation to pay our share. Simply raising the burden on someone to shift it to me will cause the people they got it from to either stop spending their money or if running a business charge us more for their services, in the end we all pay. A better idea would be for the government to control their spending and use any extra to pay down the debt-not the advertised puny 10 trillion but the debt coming for social security and medicare which will make the advertised one look like pocket change.

Posted by: david | September 10, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm

This is a great article,but unfortunately the Republicans don’t read or believe any of the facts —they have created their own reality.

Posted by: SmileAlready | September 10, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

McCain will raise taxes for almost all Americans because he plans to tax the full value of employer-provided health care insurance. Under current law, employees do not pay a dime for this valuable benefit. McCain would change that by taxing workers for health care insurance as ordinary income at rates at high as 35%. The average value of a family policy is $12,000 to $14,000 annually, so McCain’s proposed tax credits of $2500 for individuals and $5000 for couples will not even begin to make up for the increased tax burden McCain plans to impose.
The middle class also gets little benefit from McCain’s tax cut plan, a paltry $319 vs. $1042 in savings under Obama’s plan on taxable incomes up to $67,000. If you make $600,000 per year or more, McCain is your guy. Everyone below that does much better under Obama’s plan.

Posted by: skye | September 10, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

skye: I wish you luck under Obamas plan. With all the programs and big plans to spent money, if you think the top money maker will cover it you have a serious problem. People need to remember that we “the people” are the government. The government dosen’t make money except from “the people”. There are alot of people who pay NO TAXES, but receive checks from “the people” every month. I don’t care if they are handicapped. They should receive money. But, there are to many people with their hands out and we just can’t keep doing this. If you will remember 2 years ago thing were much better than today. No high gas and food prices, etc. When the Dems. took over they really messed everything up. This was done to try to put Obama in the White House. The Dems believe that the American prople are stupid. Are We?

Posted by: Barbara | September 10, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

OBAMA IS A LIAR. 95% TAX CUT. WHERE THE MONEY FOR HIS EARMARKS?
STUPID MATH

Posted by: James 770 | September 10, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

Barbara,
Obama would pay for his health care plan by gradually reducing the troop commitment in Iraq, cutting other government spending and increasing income taxes on those who have taxable incomes in excess of $2.3 million annually. By the way, that’s not much of a burden for these folks because they got virtually all the gains from the increased productivity of American workers since 2001.
As for the economy supposedly being good before the Dems took control of Congress in January 2007, how do you spell real estate b-u-b-b-l-e? The boom times were phony, in case you haven’t been paying attention, and, oh yes, gas prices have been rising since Bush took office.
What did you expect with two oilmen from Texas in the White House?

Posted by: skye | September 10, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

Anyone with any economic sense will realize that Obama will strangle the economy. You actually think he will give tax breaks to 95% of the people. He plans to kill the current tax breaks most people are getting, raising capital gains tax thereby discouraging investments, raising payroll taxes on small businesses thereby increasing costs on goods and services and causing people to lose jobs. He plans to stifle free trade in order to “keep american jobs here.” But all the expert economists agree that this would be a major disaster. Read “Trading Up” – the full 20 page text not the summary by Daniel Griswold an economist from the Cato Institute – an independent think tank containing the best economists in the U.S. Retooling is the way to go for outsourcing as there is a net wash between outsourcing and new jobs because of free trade (with better pay) according to the Cato Institute – a concept that John McCain understands and sadly Obama does not.

Posted by: MissouriMan | September 11, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Personally, I think that the rich people should be taxed more. People who work hard every day of their life and struggle to make ends meet are the people that need the most help. People who could afford numerous houses and yachts and other luxuries could afford to pay more in taxes. It is simple “The more you make, the more they take”

Posted by: Diane | September 11, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm

Obama proposes to restore the tax rates that existed during the 1990s for taxable incomes in excess of $250,000
annually, while reducing taxes substantially for everyone else. The economy did very well under the Clinton administration; Republicans made similarly dire predictions of economic catastrophe then, which never materialized.
BTW, if you think Cato is independent, you might like to buy my bridge. Cato is universally recognized as a conservative/libertarian mouthpiece–
they shill for big business and don’t give a rat’s tail about the American middle class.

Posted by: Skye | September 11, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

McCain & Palin are liars. They have lied a about the BRIDGE and EARMARKS, their TAX CUTS what next? Is this the type of President you want?

Posted by: P | September 11, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

I make around 250- 260k a year and I work hard for it. I DO NOT SUPPORT Obama and his 39% tax bracket forget it.

Posted by: hank | September 11, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

The marginal rate on $250-$260k under Obama’s proposal would be 36%, not 39%.
Also, gross income of $250-260k annually would not be high enough to hit the 36% rate, which applies to taxable income (after deductions and credits). There would be no difference in income tax liability at this level.

Posted by: Skye | September 11, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

Keep in mind that Americans at all income levels will pay more income taxes if McCain becomes president because he proposes to tax as ordinary income the full value of employer provided health care benefits. Employees have never before paid any tax on this valuable fringe benefit, but McCain would impose taxes on workers for this as ordinary income at marginal rates up to 35%.

Posted by: Skye | September 11, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Sen Obama has said so much you cannot keep it straight. Now this says taxes go up on 250,000 per person. At saddlebrook it 250,000 per family. Earlier it was 150,000 per family or 75,000 per person. Which is it? Bottom line is HE WILL RAISE TAXES on most of us to pay for his programs. Increasing corporate taaxes which he also wants will send jobs away. At least Sen McCain is consistent in his campiagn of not raising taxes at all.

Posted by: cat | September 11, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

really do you really think obamas gonna do what he says the country would go into depression destroy buisness and give away money to poor people dont want free money they want a good job this is not a socialist country never will be you know clinton promissed me a tax cut guess what my taxes went up because when you look at ecomy and jobs is this the time during a recession to raise taxes ?

Posted by: david reyes | September 11, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

this bridge from nowhere thing she said thanks for the money then no to the bridge she used the money for more important things both of the senator for the dems voted for this bridge then when congress had a vote on instead of funding the bridge use the money for katrina guess what they voted againnnnnnn to fund the bridge instead i think she made a smart decission dont you also senators vote on ear marks not govenors

Posted by: david reyes | September 11, 2008, 7:05 pm 7:05 pm

Can we stop arguing with the Mcsame robots they will never get it. McSame means more war. How the hell will he pay for it? By cutting your taxes? LMAO I got a bridge is Alaska I’d like to sell you. Does Obama automatically mean more war…. NO! Do the math! We save big time with NO MORE WAR!!

Posted by: MORE_LIES | September 11, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

It amazes me that people who make less thank 50k a year would think that McCain would look out for them! Isn’t McCain the one who thought the middle class were people making fewer than 6 million a year? Some of you people are your own worst enemy!

Posted by: bea smit | September 11, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

I’s surprised that anyone would think Obama wouldn’t raise taxes. He’s promised millions more than could ever be raised by taxing the top 5% of wage earners. Where do his followers think the money will come from to implement all those programs.
ANSWER: From every American! No thanks!
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Bush gives a $1 billion unguaranteed loan to
Georgia. Who will end up paying for that one!

Posted by: spacerook1 | September 11, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

Posted by: Barbara: If you will remember 2 years ago thing were much better than today.No high gas and food prices, etc.
*****
Where were you living back then? Disneyworld?
Gas prices started their increases in 2005!
Food Prices are directly related to several factors:
Transportation, Inflation and Bush’s favorite
pastime- procrastination!
************
Posted by: Barbara, When the Dems. took over they really messed everything up.
How can you make a house hit by a hurricane
any worse
Posted by: Barbara, This was done to try to put
Obama in the White House. The Dems believe that
the American prople are stupid. Are We?
Some of you were, for 8 years….You might be
an exception though, because of your statement
showing compassion for handicapped people.

Posted by: spacerook1 | September 12, 2008, 12:00 am 12:00 am

Nothing will be accomplished unless the party power is the same in all three branches of government. Nothing has happened the last 2 years because Bush’s veto pen has been over-active. Whether it’s republican or democratic power – CHANGE will not happen unless this power shift transpires.

Posted by: Bev H | September 12, 2008, 12:34 am 12:34 am

One more thing – it takes a certain measure of “corrupt” in order to even want to be associated with politics. Each party has defined what their view of righteousness is. There are falicies and aspects of truth to both viewpoints. BOTH camps are guilty of stretching facts, so neither of these candidates or their parties can wave a moral wand from their ivory tower.
Folks: Never allow yourselves to become so unbelievably arrogant that you feel one party has all of the answers. Republicans are known for being bereft of social compassion – and Democrats are typically known for fiscal irresponsibility (which the Republicans are quickly taking over). My husband and I have chosen the Independent route – but we know that a candidate from this party will not be elected in our lifetime. It’s sad because the two primary political parties in power alienate the citizens of this country from each other; even sadder – that we allow them to do it.

Posted by: Bev H | September 12, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am

Democracy under Obama, I get it: I can choose to have an abortion, I can choose to be gay and have rights, but I can’t choose to keep my hard earned money. Thanks, but no thanks I will vote for McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Anne Marchiondo | September 12, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am

McCain/Palin we would be better off if elected. Government screws uo our lives..and can give many examples. Raising taxes more, ill will have to lay-off more employee’s and makes me go invest in another county. Do you people not get it? The more we tax the rich, more they take there rich’s and move them away from U.S.. Then the poor get even more less money. Liberals get your math right, from What I have seen in these posts, I would not want to use your calculations or calculator to run my buisness.

Posted by: godblessya | September 12, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am

McCain’s tax cut will mean that his rich top 5% will get to buy one more car to park in their 4-car garage and the middle class might get to take the family to the movies. But Obama’s tax CARE would be enough for a middle class parent such as myself would be able to pay college tuition for my child, and the rich might have to settle for a $218000.00 outfit unstead of a $318000.00 outfit.

Posted by: chris | September 12, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

Well, One thing to note is how McCain “sold out” just to be president. Previously he was against tax cuts (he fought Bush over it) And He took no stand on the pro-life thing. Here in Arizona we know what he used to be about however now he’ll say anything his party tells him to. What a sellout.

Posted by: Jan | September 12, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

To all the people who do NOT understand taxes, here a few basics-
1.) The tiers system of taxes are NOT flat rates for certain levels of income, they are GRADUATED.
Example (not the current tax rates):
Adjusted Gross Income (AGI for short, I’ll get to that shortly) up to $10,000 is taxed at 10%, AGI from $10,001 to about $35,000 are taxed at 15%, AGI from $35,001 to $70,000 is taxed at 25%.
If have an AGI of $35,000, then you pay $4750 in taxes ($10,000*10% + ($35,000-$10,000)*15%= $1,000 + $3,750 = $4750).
If the taxes were a flat rate, then the person making 35,000 would pay $5,250 ($35,000*15%= $5,250).
2.) AGI is your income less any adjustments, such as your personal exemption and exemption for any dependents that you have (like children or parents that you provide most of their care.) There also tax credit for things such as caring for children. There is also your standard deduction.
So even if you make, say $250,000 in a year, your AGI, after all deductions, could be $200,000. (Though, instead of a standard deduction, you can opt for an itemized deduction, which are ungodly more complicated and you normally have an accountant take care of those for you.)
3.)Tax ranges are different depending on if you are single, married or head of a household. A single person who has an AGI of $250,000 will pay more than a married couple who have an AGI of $250,000. The assumption is that the married family are both bringing money and that should be factored into their tax range rate.
In short- taxes suck. ^o^
Honestly, an increases in taxed for the $250,000+ bracket does not mean that a person who make $260,000 will see their taxes increase thousands of dollars, a few hundred, maybe.

Posted by: Calis | September 12, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm

my brother-in-law makes tens of millions a year and he told me and showed me that after all his dedcutions on his taxes he pays less then $500,000 a year in taxes. he makes 20 millon a year. taht is what is not fair he could pay 2 million and not even feel it. but republicans dont want the rich to pay anty taxes why the working class keeps on giveing up for the rich.

Posted by: tom | September 12, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm

I’m an informed voter who will do her best to ensure the future improves – therefore I’m voting for the Obama/Biden ticket.

Posted by: Citizen Voter | September 12, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

I am voting for Obama because it is definately time for a change. I am sick and tired of the lies. If you are going to discuss any of the issues at hand make sure you have your facts straight.
Thank you

Posted by: Mishka9561 | September 12, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

A fact that is never mentioned when stating that Obama would raise taxes only on the top 5% of incomes is that the top 5% already pay 40% of the collected income taxes while the bottom 50% of earners pay virtually nothing while they disproportionately receive most of the government handouts. WHAT is fair about that?

Posted by: jafemu | September 12, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

Lets see if Obama pays more taxes under his plan. He earned over $2,000,000 in 2007. Oh I forgot, he and Michelle will conveniently come up with newly created blind trusts. The dems are so full of it. If you took all of the assets of the dems in congress and compared them to all of the assets of the GOP in congress, the dems would blow them away. Both parties have flaws but the democratic party is far more hypocratical when it comes to the economy and taxes. Blame the high gas prices on Bush but the prices have doubled and the economy has weakened since the dems took control of congress.

Posted by: NObama | September 12, 2008, 7:14 pm 7:14 pm

hey America, do the math! if you make more, you pay more taxes! nothing rocket science about figuring that one. Don’t be blind sided with Obama, since the top 5% pay 95% of all the taxes now, so what’s the deal. They’re not complaining, but one things for sure, if I were that top 5% I wouldn’t want to pay more for everyone else who’s not doing their fair share, especially when Obama wants to make more socialist programs to keep people under their thumb, keep them ‘needing the government’! WAKE UP AMERICA!!

Posted by: Regina | September 12, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Obama say uuuhhhh…duhhhh….mmmmm…uhhhh

Posted by: formccain | September 13, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am

Obama is a Chicago thug with questionable associations. Biden has and is a major loser . Of course, the only logical choice is McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Rocks | September 13, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am

Citizen Voter – if you want the future to improve, you’re choosing the wrong ticket.

Posted by: ellsbells930 | September 13, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am

When Senator Obama speaks about the money being spent on Iraq and using it to pay for his programs, does anyone, including the Senator, understand that we don’t have that money? The money going into the war is borrowed! Hence the massive debt! Wake up people. Politicians promise everything during their campaigns. It is what they do! The people voting need to think for themselves, not just listen to the campaign propaganda. While I would love to have free healthcare, there really is nothing given for free. The more our government spends, the more we all pay.
According to IRS reports for 2001 through 2006 (last report available#
The Top 5% of income earners pay an increasing lion’s share of all taxes in America.
2001 – 53.25% #of all federal taxes collected)
2002 – 53.8%
2003 – 54.36%
2004 – 57.13%
2005 – 59.67%
2006 – 60.14%
What we need more than Democrats or Republicans, is to restore BALANCE to our government. Checks and balances. No single party should hold all of the power. That is exactly what happened during the first 5+ years of the current administration.

Posted by: Michiel W | September 13, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Make politicions work for free, take away their large incomes and 3 month vacations and we would get people who would truly be working for the people and not people working for their bank accounts

Posted by: Anarchy1964 | September 13, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

What ABC is NOT reporting:
The Democrats RAISED taxes on Middle Income 32,000.00+ by voting to increase the taxable income margin from 25 to 28%
just this year.
Which on 32K a year increases taxes about 928.00. Then Obama’s Plan reduces it by 502.00…end result…SNEAKY increase of 428.00 for those earning 32K a year.
I am a Democrat. I don’t approve the Dems message this year.

Posted by: Belle | September 13, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

people ive accually researched it the only people Obama is going to raise taxs on is people making over 600,000 a year. where as your buddy McCain is going to lower there taxes by 43,000 dollars McCain will lower taxs for people making 35,000-65,000 by only 375 dollars where as Obama will lower there taxes by 1300 dollars thats 4 times as much. Try doing some research people you will see that Obama is going to lower your taxes much more then McCain will.

Posted by: getsmart | September 13, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

It just goes to show that lying works, especially among “low-information” voters, or the people who only listen to one of the lying extremes.

Posted by: jock59801 | September 13, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

McCain has lied so much about Obama raising taxes that he is brainwashing everyone. I guess Obama needs to drum up some lies about McCain if that’s what it takes. He’d better do someting before these Republicans win the election.

Posted by: Pamela | September 13, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

Obama is going to tax everyone silly. That is if you work. If you are dependent and want a free ride then you arte the one getting the hand out. Mccain/ Palin will create roads for growth and success. By the way Sarah Palin is wonderful. I wish her much success. 2008 Mccain/Palin…2012 Palin/, who knows maybe Ted Nugent. Does not matter,,, I m voting for Palin.

Posted by: Rob | September 13, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Unfortunately, Palin isn’t running all on her own Rob! Just so you know, the royalties from mineral rights are the second highest producer of income besides the payroll tax. Income tax is different from the payroll tax, and since i work for a living and not off my investments, the payroll tax is far more important to me than the income tax. Don’t be fooled. Taxes will be raised, but the majority of American’s who work for a living will be offered a little relief….finally, under an Obama administration. McCain’s plan, by the time you get your whoppin tax credit to buy your own helathcare, not only will you pay the same or more (due to inflation at a whopping 5% and no raises) but that healthcare credit will not go far, and ten years from now, which is how long it will be in place, it will go even less. Palin-Schmalin…go back to Alaska and get that Natural Gas pipeline built. We’ll need it to convert our vehicles over the next 6-7 years while Obama gets American Developers to REALLY get us free from foreign oil and into some serious alternative energy. Something that McCain has very vocally derided as ‘not going to work.’ Go home John, its over.

Posted by: andee262 | September 13, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

A good friend used to tell me: I have a lot of luck — I work hard for it! Indeed, the people to which the Democrats appeal are usually people who did not work hard enough when they were in school or at the workplace, or who do not have their priorities straight and spend their money in booze or expensive cars and clothes. I don’t make $250K a year but I certainly live well, pay my bills, and put all my three kids through college without them getting in debt through student loans. Oh by the way, they did not meet the requirements for scholarships because their grades were not competitive and I did not meet the low salaries required! I can tell you that what I earn and am being taxed is sufficient. I want to have the option of GIVING my salary to the charities of my choice instead of having Obama chose which one to support by using my hard-earned salary and tax it.

Posted by: AGT-R | September 13, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

Obama is a joke. The Obamakins just don’t get it. He will raise taxes, PLUS take the cap off of capital gains, and inheritance taxes. Redistribution of wealth is socialistic and has ALWAYS FAILED. The DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS has a 9% approval rating. 9% !!!!!!!!!! They are a dismal failure and their little Obamakins spin everything and blame the republicans. It’s scary to think so many are voting that don’t have a clue. Sad, very said.

Posted by: LJB-R | September 13, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

John McCAIN can NOT possibly do all the things he has promised without raising taxes. Now, he will say and do anything to get elected, as this is the GOP mantra. Remember George H. W. Buch, “read my lips, NO NEW TAXES”. Truth is that the impact of the poor economy has cost me more than any tax increase ever could. Lower 401K balance, lower house value, and higher prices on just about every commodity.

Posted by: indevoter | September 13, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

LJB-R, What is scarry is that you are “voting and don’t have a clue. Everything comes at a price and if we don’t pay for it today our children and grandchildren will pay throughout their lives. For your consideration, McCAIN’s plan is BUSH’s plan by his own admission. So how has it worked for us in the last 8 years. FACT: Over the last 100 years democratic presidents have resided over stronger economies than their Republican counterparts. FACT: Over the last 20 years (BUSH/CLINTON/BUSH) the Democratic president has far and away out performed his Republican Counterparts, in every catagory. FACT: The greatest number of bank closures since the great depression. Fact: greatest number of foreclosures since the great depression. McCAIN’s economic advisor “Americans are whiners”. McCAIN “the fundamentals of the economy are strong”. McCAIN “I don’t know that much about economics”. Most independent economists favor Obama’s plan. ALL I ASK OF THE VOTERS OUT THERE IS TAKE A LOOK AT EACH OF THE CANDIDATES ON THE ISSUES. GO TO EACH OF THEIR WEB SITES WITH AN OPEN MIND. DON’T VOTE OUT OF HATE OR IGNORANCE.

Posted by: Indevoter | September 13, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

Amazing! This is why I can no longer identify with the republican party. AGT wrote “I want to have the option of GIVING my salary to the charities of my choice instead of having Obama chose which one to support by using my hard-earned salary and tax it.”
Dude…funding education so it is functional is not charity. Restoring the budget for the FDA to keep unsafe medications out of the market is not charity. Protecting our food supply from pathogens and unsafe importation and growing practices, woefully underfunded, NOT A CHARITY. I will submit that war profiteering could be considered charitible…for the corporations that are out to make the most from it. God knows the troops eating contaminated food and water, with substandard gear made in China got no benefit whatsoever. As a nurse, veteran, dual citizen and mom, I have no problem paying fair taxes. I just want those guys at the top of the food chain to pay their taxes too. Liberty for all, remember that? I too will pay for my kids to go to college, because we don’t qualify for squat. The taxes I pay are to fund the government programs and policies that make this a great country. I want the option to vote for an administration that will do that, and stop the corporate welfare and stomp on the unmitigated greed that has driven this country off into the ditch. Its a balance of free market and a little bit of oversight. A little bit of restraint. This atmosphere of rape and pilliage the public for the almighty dollar has got to stop. ENOUGH!
Last week I had a patient; 24 year old college grad who was in tears because he no longer qualified for his parents insurance, but didn’t have a job with benefits yet. He was looking at a $30K hosptial bill, on top of $100K in student loans. Never mind that he needed surgery, he was going to be filing bankruptcy at age 25. If we can get a single payer system in place for American citizens to have adequate healthcare, then I will gladly mail my tax dollars in to support that.
This mentality that anyone that ever utilized a government program like public education, ate food screened by enough inpsectors that are FULLY FUNDED or any other program, be it welfare or food stamps or medicare is a loser is the biggest part of the problem. I am a conservative. I want to conserve all the best that America has to offer for all AMERICANS, not just people in my party. Think it thru, it will come to ya, hopefully before you become some loser on medicare yourself, floundering around in that ‘doughnut hole’ of a prescription drug program. While your at it, just send that Social Security check back when it comes….since your so against it.

Posted by: hacked off republican! | September 13, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm

At least with Obamas plan, the 95% have an opportunity to invest their money, as they see fit, and not have to rely on the 5% who choose to go overseas for business.
That 5% who will get taxed more, should be willing to GIVE a little more, for the benefit of All peoples. This way we all can get a ‘bridge to no-where’, or at least some of us actually can make a ‘bridge to somewhere’.Like a better life.If the middle class can not afford to buy high price items, this would cause more companies to go overseas, and cut american jobs. But by tax cutting the middle class, we can pay for those higher prices gouges, many companies love to have. Tell Palin ‘Greed’ is one of the deadly sins. Maybe Gods plan is to make America a United country, and not a Roman pryamid scam.95% of the people sounds closer to Unity than 5%.

Posted by: historyforgotten | September 14, 2008, 3:44 am 3:44 am

Those at the top always seem greedier, than those who are at the bottom or middle.Drug companies make trillions of dollars and fly nice jets. If they were forced to cut prices, the insurance companies could lower premiums, for businesses to give better health care.If ‘hacked off republican’, could suffer a 1% cut in pay, he may be able to save a life.Or is his 1% pay worth more than a fellow man? It starts at the top of corruption and greed. That is what Obama is fighting. When was the last time you heard someone who was making $300,000 a year say, ‘Take my next raise and distribute it to someone else’?It’s rare. Very Rare. These are the standards of ‘human beings’.If the United States of America wants to be looked on with pride, then we need to get back to what were are about. Equality.We keep leaning towards a Dictatorship, under a false pretense of Democracy. The rich are the Dictators now, and control how the middle class and lower class will live. Obama has gone back to the ‘Euality’ part of our constitution. You can be a proud Republican and vote Obama, for equality, or you can be a radical Republican and vote dictatorship, under Mc Clain. The choice will be yours.

Posted by: historyforgotten | September 14, 2008, 4:06 am 4:06 am

I don’t trust Obama’s tax plan. His social programs are outrageous. Promises, promises, promises. and guess who will pay for it. Here’s s sample. Obama will collect 28% income tax on the sale of all homes regardless of selling price. McCain plan does not propose any change to the existing home sales income tax and a 0% capital gains tax on homes up to $500,000. If you’re retiring and want to downsize and move into a retirement home, plan to paying Mr. Obama 28% of your profit. Doesn’t make the American dream of owning a home attractive does it? The seller is going to try to recover the 28% tax by raising the price. Obama’s tax plan for your investments and retirement plans that pays or reinvests dividends you will pay 39.6%. Under McCain 15% no change. Here’s what happens to you when Obama reverses the Bush tax cuts:
Find your tax braket:
Under McCain No change Obama You Pay
Sgl. 30K – tax $ 4,500 $ 8,400
Sgl. 50K – tax $12,500 $14,000
Sgl. 75K – tax $18,750 $23,250
Mrd. 60K – tax $ 9,000 $16,800
Mrd. 75K – tax $18,750 $21,000
Mrd.125K – tax $31,250 $38,750
Under Obama your total taxes will double. This is not the kind of change we need.

Posted by: dropdeadgeorgeous | September 14, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am

One more thing to all the history buffs and people so eager to turn so much power over to someone so inexperienced as Barak Obama, with such grandiose promises of changing and growing government to astronimical porpotions REMEMBER THIS:
Thomas Jefferson said “a government large enough to give you everything you want is large enough to take everything you have” and he wasn’t talking about money and property…the subject was FREEDOM.

Posted by: Dropdeadgeorgeous | September 14, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

All the DNC horses and all of its men could not put the Messiah in the lead again…LOL its over for you Osama no matter how much you, the MSM, and Hollywood try to buy your way into this election

Posted by: Mark | September 14, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Only a FOOL could think OBAMA would NOT raise our taxes. He wants to give your money, in the form of a relief check, to people who don’t even pay taxes in his redistribution of wealth plan. If Obama gets elected WE ALL should quit working and live off the government! With his corporate tax plan, companies and jobs will be fleeing this sinking ship for friendlier countries.

Posted by: Tax and Spend Liberals | September 14, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm

First and foremost, Obama’s objective is to raise taxes so we can help other countries like those in Africa. No-nonsense, just reporting what his objective is. Why would we raise taxes just so we can help foreign countries live a better life. I am not against helping out, but why raise our taxes to do so. That is why there is the red cross, charities, etc etc. If obama is in, it will become mandatory. It will become the foreign relief tax-ha.
Also if all you folks are sold on any one president that they have that much clout then you all need to take a class in government. I would be very afraid to live in a country that has that kind of power or swagger from one individual to rule millions. That too me sound almost socialistic, or dictatorish? A president can represent his plans to congress, but it is by all means passed through congress first before it becomes law. So, each congress member goes to his constiuents and gets approval or disapproval and they vote on behalf of the people, supposedly? Often times that does not happen. But lets look at the big picture, here folks, who has the majority in congress- yes the democratic party or AKA socialist party? The president only signs into law what was passed by congress and about the only oversight the pres has is the veto. The pres can accept or deny the bill and then and only can congress pass if 2/3 of the senate pass it. That is how our government was founded, and if there was any wrongdoing, the supreme court is supposed to clean up the mess. So lets not put so much emphasis on a president but the congress as a whole. We should all know by now that whatever the new pres offers, often times never happens. The pres just has influence on the public, and they either agree or disagree.
Thanks

Posted by: Brion Hackbarth | September 14, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm

GOP=Borrow-Spend-Borrow-Spend Watch that national debt grow!

Posted by: Chris | September 14, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm

To all Obama supporters/voters:
To reduce stress, please sign the following:
I (FIRST and LAST NAME) being an Obama/Biden Supporter/Voter and believing taxes will go down, promise to pay any additional taxes for one NON Obama/Biden Supporter/Voter, when said taxes increase to pay for all new government programs.
Signed ____________________ (Obama/Biden Supporter/Voter)
Date: ________________
Please forward to the IRS.

Posted by: TR08 | September 15, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

How bout this instead TR08,
all the Mccain supporters promise to build fully stocked nuclear fall out shelters in their yards that all of us Obama/Biden supporters can use when McCain/Palin get us in nuclear war with Russia?
Fair trade?

Posted by: karronna | September 15, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm

There you go again throwing those phony malicious scare tactics around. Wasn’t that the tacit used against Goldwater. We all know that the closest America has come to nuclear war was when Democratic President John F. Kennedy was if office. Fortunately cooler heads than yours prevailed.
My family didn’t build a shelter then and we won’t do so now, but if you need a cozy safe place in an emergency, Joe Biden is looking for people to sleep over.
You really do demean yourselves with the hysterics.

Posted by: TR08 | September 15, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm

I don’t care what kind of change McCain/Palin is trying to convince the voters, it’s their party who’s been running this country for the last 8-year and now they are acting like they are not part of the Republican party. Folks, it’s still a pig!

Posted by: daffy | September 16, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

How can people be so selfish? I am ecstatic that Obama will lower taxes for those that make less than 250K. For those of you that have achieved financial success (over 250K0 and cannot reach out to those less fortunate and be happy that their tax burden can be eased. Shame on you. You don’t deserve the money you make.
BTW: I fall into the “make over $250K” category.

Posted by: chelle | September 16, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm

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