That House Vote — By the Numbers

Jake – and the 12+ standing behind Cantor of Virginia that were going to vote for the bail-out, but decided not to at the last minute because their ego got bruised are who? Please provide their names.

Nancy Pelosi didn’t help herself by giving a partisan speech beforehand. It was just dumb. How much worse would the damage be fore McCain and Boehner be if she hadn’t done that and the bill failed?

HP Boston
Maybe because Obama is his own person. You guys rag tag that Obama is the most liberal but when supports an opposing teams party you guys want to scream foul. Republicans no solutions just attacks.

even the GOP now says the speech did not ahve anything to do with it. The GOP broke the deal that was stuck to pass a bipartisan bill. They did so to embarrass teh Dems who are trouncing their candidate. A candidate they are increasingly becoming disenfranchised with. This was a last minute blow off of the vote, even Mccain was claiming victory before the vote took place. What does that say about his leadership again?

HP Boston just because Michael Steele writes it, does not make it true.
Also you should at least put Atlas Shrugged’s comments in quotes even if you do not give them credit

Madam Speaker protest too much? Shocking

HP Boston,
Why didn’t Senator Obama jawbone his Democrat colleagues to support the House Republicans?

Pelosi’s poorly timed, insulting, almost sophomoric screed had nothing to do with the vote no matter what Cantor says.
Ask yourself this; who benefits from the defeat of the bill and who gets hurt?
Who was calling for “Regular Order” when time expired on the vote, ensuring no votes could be changed?

@ hp boston
it’s called compromise…something NEITHER party believes in
at least there was some bipartiship of negating the bill, even though it’s mainly due to people wanting to keep their elected seats

Thank those who voted against it in round one, and scorn those who voted for it. And contact your Senators, they are next up in trying to pass this awful bill.

Woody – Are you implying the House Republicans and McCain do not mean what they say?
House Republican Leader John Boehner said, “I do believe that we could have gotten there today, had it not been for this partisan speech that the Speaker gave on the floor of the House. I mean, we were — we put everything we had into getting the votes to get there today, but the Speaker had to give a partisan voice that poisoned our conference, caused a number of members who we thought we could get to go south.”
Virginia Rep. Eric Cantor followed Boehner, and showing his own copy of Pelosi’s speech agreeing with his “leader”. “Right here is the reason I believe why this vote failed,” Cantor said.
Later that morning, McCain echoed those same remarks. So they punted on a bill at the expense of middle class America because their egos got bruised.

I cannot believe the news reports today!!!
Hello? People? The majority of the American public was AGAINST this bill and now the MSM is finger pointing at people who voted it down?!?!? What is wrong with this picture?
I say, THANK YOU to those men and women of the House who voted down this insane piece of a bill. Now that the vote is out of the way, let’s get started on crafting a new bill that makes much more sense, with protections for the taxpayers, and ramifications for the bozo’s (political and business) that got us into this mess to begin with.

John McCain is Confused (#278 in the Series)
“John McCain’s economic forum just now, in which McCain, talking about energy policy, stresses the importance of “ensuring that America is secure, and not dependent on oil from people like Hugo Chavez or other parts of the Middle East which is, we know, could be destabilized under certain sets of circumstances.”
Spain is no longer an ally.
We will not take out terrorists without Pakistani permission. Even talking about it is abhorrent.
Venezuela is part of the Middle East.
Things John mcCain has taught us about foreign policy in the last week.

Hey Concenend in OH,
Tracey Jopek has some words for you, especially that last part.
Tracy Jopek of Merrill told The Associated Press on Sunday she was honored that Obama remembered Sgt. Ryan David Jopek, who was killed in 2006 by a roadside bomb.
Jopek criticized Internet reports suggesting Obama, D-Ill., exploited her son for political purposes.
“I don’t understand how people can take that and turn it into some garbage on the Internet,” she said.

We all know how well the media brings us true and tried facts like Iraq war and Bail outs.

student can’t go to college because they can’t get a student loan.

Ryan C
OMG Obama recieved 4K from PAC. The PAC must really own Obama … (sarcasm). Look at the campaign finance website and you’ll see Obama has a big fat 0 next to PAC money. How much has McCain received in PAC? How much relative to his total?

MM,
The facts are exactly as I stated them and in the proper context.
When someone throws Obama taking PAC money in your face, laugh at them mention the piddling amount and contrast it with the $15K Rick Davis collected in Aug 2008 alone.
Do not go into rhetorical battle without knowing what you are fighting with and against.

“McCain’s answer: He just might suspend again”
Alex independent,
Its not like the suspension would be hard.
Just announce you are suspended then carry on business as usual.
I still can’t believe McCain had the temerity to talk about phoning it in when that’s about all he did.

Woody – McCain is who gets hurt as the lack of passage is directly tied to his lack of leadership. Why would McCain’s own party want to hurt him? There are 36 days to election day with numerous swing states already early voting.

“I ask again, who benefits from the bill failing to pass and who gets hurt? Simple question.”
There are quite a few political risk involved for all sides.
The bill’s failure hurts Congressional Democrats and McCain the most in my opinion.
Democrats because its feeds into the GOP meme about a do nothing Congress unwilling or unable to stand up to Bush.
McCain because of theatrical move of suspending his campaign.
Those voting against it likely win with the voters even if a similar bill passes this week.

Jopek criticized Internet reports suggesting Obama, D-Ill., exploited her son for political purposes.
“I don’t understand how people can take that and turn it into some garbage on the Internet,” she said.
Tracey Jopek does not know they depths of the right wing though she got an unfortunate glimpse.

Pelosi brought more votes in for this Republican Bill than she even promised the Republicans. The Republicans couldn’t even bring in the minimum number they promised.

Let’s get Bill Gates and O. Winfrey to bail out this country.
Fat chance that will happen

I’m not going to put all the blame for this on the GOP. Yes, everyone up for election that voted against this is a coward, but it doesn’t help that the feedback they’re getting from the American people is against it.
This whole thing was marketed poorly. First they called it a “bailout” and no on wants to bailout Wall Street executives. Next, the CEO golden parachute problem got huge amount of airtime, but the fact that a provision to limit golden parachutes was added to the bill did not. Finally, the fact that it will cost the American taxpayer far more than $700 billion if we don’t pass this thing hasn’t been hammered in.
Then there are the “150 economics” who say they are opposed to this bailout. Awesome. So who supports it other than this administration no one trusts? And exactly what did those 150 economics actually say. And who are these 150 economists?
Then you have the house GOP say they had an “alternative” that would not cost the American taxpayer any money. Great. Which economists support the alternative? Which do not? Is it actually workable?
This plan was so poorly sold to the American people that it is somewhat understandable to those Representatives who voted against it because they feared for their re-election. They are still cowards, but they aren’t completely without reason.

The credit market has been tight before so what bunch of liars this whole thing is so bogus so Obama can go up in polls I’m not buying it.

yippee…..incompetence from the leadership of both parties and two pathetic candidates for President….”happy days are here again”

Bishop
Just suppose the Right Wing, self-interest lobbiest are setting OBAMA UP FOR FAILURE..
AT THE RISK OF AMERICAN’S ABLILITY TO LIVE AS PEOPLE OF A MIDDLE CLASS..
DO YOU HATE THE MIDDLE CLASS WORKER
‘BISHOP’.

If goverment steps in is it still a free market?

What Middle class it is more like the working class

“I wanted him to know my son’s name for one thing, for when he’s commander in chief,” Mrs. Jopek said during a telephone interview
Poor woman. Obama froze like a deer in headlights when it came time to remember her son’s name. I gotta brace too it was given to me by Sgt. uh, the mother,, uh, of uh

“Obama knows the FDIC petitioned to raise the limit and is trying to steal the idea as his own.”
So McCain calling for the same idea after Obama did would also be stealing?
You guys are too predictable.
Obama gave a 35 minute speech about the bailout and its impact today.
John mcCain considered “suspending” his campaign again.

“Obama froze like a deer in headlights when it came time to remember her son’s name”
I think Obama was taken aback by McCain’s crass mentioning dead soldiers to distract the audience after Obama nailed him on signing songs about bombing Iran.

I think people take the phrase “free market” a bit too literally.
Pure free markets do not work. They have never worked. Even the biggest free market advocate agrees to some regulation.
In a pure free market, there would be a handful of monopolies that owned everything. Potential competition would be stifled by dumping products at below cost and promptly raising the price back up after the competition went bankrupt. Companies would use their monopoly on a product to extend their reach into new markets by tying their products together.
So get it out of your head that we have a pure free market. We do not.
Furthermore, this rescue plan isn’t even close to socialism. We are buying debt to sell at a later time. We did it during the Great Depression and during the S&L scandal. We buy the stuff, restructure it, wait a while and then sell it.

Jopek e-mailed Obama in February asking that he not mention her son’s name while campaigning; however, she now says she is thrilled Obama did so in order to respond to McCain in a debate. She can’t make up her mind. Just like Obama.
Too bad Obama couldn’t remember her son’s name and had to check the bracelet for it.

“however, she now says she is thrilled Obama did so in order to respond to McCain in a debate. She can’t make up her mind”
Wow attacking a woman who lost her son in the war (based on lies propagated by the right wing) on how she would like her son remembered.
The right wing has no decency.

C’mon marylou let’s hear some more venom for a Gold Star Mother.
I know your well of it is bottomless.

Let’s talk judgement.
Here’s McCain in 1998
MOTHER JONES: You not only have had combat experience in Vietnam, but you were also a prisoner of war. When you look at terrorism right now, with people like Osama bin Laden, do you have any reservations about watching strikes like that?
JOHN MCCAIN: You could say, Look, is this guy, Laden, really the bad guy that’s depicted? Most of us have never heard of him before. And where there is a parallel with Vietnam is: What’s plan B? What do we do next? We sent our troops into Vietnam to protect the bases. Lyndon Johnson said, Only to protect the bases. Next thing you know…. Well, we’ve declared to the terrorists that we’re going to strike them wherever they live. That’s fine. But what’s next? That’s where there might be some comparison.

TAX PAYERS are not confident that Congress and their “leadership” knows what to do on this, and since Bush’s financial advisers didn’t see this coming, why would we think they know what to do???
So it goes back to Trust, and I do not believe for one minute that they really know what to do.
If they did they would not be running around acting like the sky is falling. All the Democratic leadership is worried about is that it comes off as Bush’s fault!
We can not bail out everyone. These businesses made terrible business decisions and it is too late to fix that. Who are we going to trust to handle this big bucket of money?? The businesses that mishandled their companies??
No way, I say wait until we get the new president in there.
Even if I lose all of my 401k, that is better than saddling my children and grandchildren with this mess. I do not believe the sky is falling!
This did not happen overnight, and does not require us to react irresponsibly by overreacting and having a knee jerk reaction to this crisis.

If you go back in time and look at the The American Homeowership & Economic Opportunity Act that was passed by President Clinton in late December of 2000. This was the first step in what became a huge price tag for housing loans that people got and could not afford.
They are not sure this will work, and so we need to proceed with caution.
I think we need to bring in the experts (not the Congress).
Let’s bring in the best Economist that we have out there—30- 50 of them and let’s them give us a recommendation! (I’m sure we will need equal representation of Democrats/ Repulicans…since we are so political) Anyway I’d be more inclined believe them.

After Pelosi’s trashing of the Republicans just before the vote – WHAT DO YOU EXPECT?? THIS WOMAN HAS NO RIGHT TO BE ANYWHERE NEAR WASHINGTON!! Any REP on the fence BEFORE HER RANTING CERTAINLY MUST HAVE BEEN TURNED OFF AND VOTED NO.

The perception has been set. The world awaits a promised bailout. Are American taxpayers more knowledgeable than the White House, McCain and Obama?
Or are they suddenly just less susceptible to bad PR?
It sure looks like it.

One question: if this bill was so good on its own merits why do the Dems claim to want Repub support? Dems have the MAJORITY in the House. Why not get every Dem to vote for it and if it failed b/c of Repubs then they could use it against them before the election? Answer: Dems are scared to death to be the party to pass this bill on their own. The fact that certain Dems in tough re-election races were told they could vote no is one indicator. The other is that the Congressional black hispanic caucuses all voted NO. 12 members of Barney Frank’s committee voted NO. Plus during the vote, there was a congressman who went on NPR radio and said that the plan was to get Repubs to pass the bill and then use it against them prior to the election. Wow, what political courage. These are the men and women we have representing us. I say throw out all the incumbents and elect new leaders far far far away from Washington DC.

Temagami:
next you’ll tell me that McCain has been crusading for more regulation all his political career….
the real problem is that the same security that the government gives banks was extended to other financial institutions who didn’t have to deal with the tighter regulations and oversight that banks do.. they were free to do just about anything, and they did, without supervision or accountability, they knew that no matter what happened the government would bail them out.
Mission Accomplished

I find it odd how the media has blamed the Republicans for not passing the bill yet 95 Democrats voted against it. If only 20% of those Democrats would have voted for the bill it would have passed. And futhermore, why should we the taxpayers, the little guy trying to make it have to pay for those who speculated and lost. Only in America can you loss money and expect to be bailed out. Had the marked kept going thses fat cats would have found loop holes to avoid paying taxes.