The Note: Bailout Bill is Chance for Presidential Leadership

I’ve never seen such a angry, panicked response by any politician as John McCain’s reaction to this crisis.
Perhaps it was that same sense of panic that caused him to pick an intelligent, but supremely unqualified woman for V.P. I guess you could say that being a beauty contestant is like being the head of the Catholic parish based Developing Communities Project, except it doesn’t provide job training or college prep work for anyone.
McCain has proven himself a liar, a bully, gambler and hothead. We really do learn about the candidates during the course of a campaign.

We can wait 4 more months to clean this mess up with President Obama.
This is just another republican Fear tactic and attempt to rape the US Bank before President Obama is sworn in.
NOT THIS TIME!!!

McCaine’s campaign manager Rick Davis was paid nearly $2 million over five years for defending both Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae against stricter regulations.

PSALM 2008-2012
First book of Democrat
Obama is my Shepherd, I shall not want.
He Leadeth me beside still Factories
He Restoreth my faith in the Republican Party
He Guideth me in the Path of Unemployment
Yea, Though I walk through the Valley of the Bread Line, I shall not go Hungry.
Obama has Anointed my Income with Taxes, My Expenses Runneth over my Income,
Surely, Poverty and Hard Living Will Follow me all the Days of my Life.
The Democrats and I will Live Forever in a Rented home.
But I am Glad I am an American, I am glad that I am Free.
But I Wish I was a Dog and Obama a Tree.
Back to Work for me…

PSALM 2008-2012
First book of Democrat
Obama is my Shepherd, I shall not want.
He Leadeth me beside still Factories
He Restoreth my faith in the Republican Party
He Guideth me in the Path of Unemployment
Yea, Though I walk through the Valley of the Bread Line, I shall not go Hungry.
Obama has Anointed my Income with Taxes, My Expenses Runneth over my Income,
Surely, Poverty and Hard Living Will Follow me all the Days of my Life.
The Democrats and I will Live Forever in a Rented home.
But I am Glad I am an American, I am glad that I am Free.
But I Wish I was a Dog and Obama a Tree.
Back to Work for me…

PSALM 2008-2012
First book of Democrat
Obama is my Shepherd, I shall not want.
He Leadeth me beside still Factories
He Restoreth my faith in the Republican Party
He Guideth me in the Path of Unemployment
Yea, Though I walk through the Valley of the Bread Line, I shall not go Hungry.
Obama has Anointed my Income with Taxes, My Expenses Runneth over my Income,
Surely, Poverty and Hard Living Will Follow me all the Days of my Life.
The Democrats and I will Live Forever in a Rented home.
But I am Glad I am an American, I am glad that I am Free.
But I Wish I was a Dog and Obama a Tree.
Back to Work for me…

Ohio (20) Obama 45.1 McCain 46.7 McCain +1.6
Pennsylvania (21) Obama 47.0 McCain 44.5 Obama +2.5
Florida (27) Obama 46.0 McCain 48.0 McCain +2.0
Virginia (13) Obama 46.0 McCain 47.3 McCain +1.3
Wisconsin (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 44.8 Obama +3.2
Colorado (9) Obama 48.4 McCain 44.4 Obama +4.0
Minnesota (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 45.2 Obama +2.8
Indiana (11) Obama 45.5 McCain 47.8 McCain +2.3
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Amazingly enough, McCain/Palin outdraw Obama in Wisconsin rally by 4,000. How is that possible? How will Obama spin this?

Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
3. Obama, Barack
S
D-IL
$105,849
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html

You watch McCain trying to reason with the economic reality and you get the sense he doesn’t take it all seriously. It’s like he’s about to burst and scream out “just wait ’til the Russkies get us!”
http://www.political-buzz.com/

Top Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
Campaign Contributions, 1989-2008
3. Obama, Barack
S
D-IL
$105,849
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/07/top-senate-recipients-of-fanni.html
Posted by: Lawrence | Sep 24, 2008 9:43:41 AM
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Recipients of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
$$$ WHO CREATED A NATIONAL BREW HA HA & TV COMMERCIAL ATTACK ABOUT SOMEONE ELSE GETTING MONEY FROM THEM WHILE HIDING THE FACT THAT THEY WERE IN FANNIE MAE & FREDDIE MAC PAYROLL:
1 JOHNY JAMES “THE MAVERICK” MACCAIN
WHAT’ UP DAWG…

Chicago Gets Highest Sales Tax in U.S.: 10.25% Hey who is there helping the PEOPLE of Chicago are they PRESENT

McCain is such a LIER!!! If anyone votes for this man they have no morals at all.
One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said…

HP Boston: I don’t really care about Obamas student loans. Have you nothing better to do??? Is your job and savings not on the line right now??? mine is.

One of the giant mortgage companies at the heart of the credit crisis paid $15,000 a month to a firm owned by Senator John McCain’s campaign manager from the end of 2005 through last month, according to two people with direct knowledge of the arrangement. The disclosure contradicts a statement Sunday night by Mr. McCain that the campaign manager, Rick Davis, had no involvement with the company for the last several years. Mr. Davis’s firm received the payments from the company, Freddie Mac, until it was taken over by the government this month along with Fannie Mae, the other big mortgage lender whose deteriorating finances helped precipitate the cascading problems on Wall Street, the people said…
…On Sunday, in an interview with CNBC and The New York Times, Mr. McCain responded to a question about Mr. Davis’s role in the advocacy group through 2005 by saying that his campaign manager “has had nothing to do with it since, and I’ll be glad to have his record examined by anybody who wants to look at it.”

I returned to McCain’s headquarters in Arlington, Va. The offer was too alluring to delay — they wanted to put me into action as a ghostwriter. Next to commercials and phone banking, writing letters to the editor is the most important method of the McCain campaign to attract voters. At least that is what’s written in the guidelines that McCain campaign worker Phil Tuchman presents to me.
Today he is training six ghostwriters. What on earth is the appeal of McCain for the former Soviet bloc? Last time I was here, an exuberant Polish guy was phone banking next to me. Today, a Russian in yellow suspenders is shimmering at the same table, looking just like an actor who is famous in the Netherlands for star turns as a genius who suppresses his dark side with painstaking self-control.

Chicago Gets Highest Sales Tax in U.S.: 10.25% Hey who is there helping the PEOPLE of Chicago are they PRESENT

HP Boston: Oh! I left out the part that it is all because of the Republicans, which might I add, includes John McCain and his voting history. We are not stupid fools here and I am tired of you and people like coming on and saying your stupid crap. Let me tell you, today I am one mad 50 year old white woman voting for good leadership and judgement for my future and my childrens and that person will be Obama.

Sorry: “Still would not vote for…”

LOL Bhrandon is just another OBUMA THUG.
Posted by: Bhrandon | Sep 24, 2008 10:28:02 AM

OH Beck: Oh! I left out the part that it is all because of the DEMOCRATS, which might I add, includes OBUMA and his NONvoting history. We are not stupid fools here and I am tired of you and people like coming on and saying your stupid crap. Let me tell you, today I am one mad DEMOCRAT voting for good leadership and judgement for my future and my childrens and that person will be McCain/PALIN. AND I JUST DONATED TO THE REBUBLICANS!!
COUNTRY BEFORE PARTY!
Posted by: beck | Sep 24, 2008 10:28:26 AM

So the latest is that we find that McCain campaign manager Rick Davis’s firm was on the Freddie Mac payroll until last month when the government took over Freddie and forced it to stop paying money to lobbyists and insiders like Rick Davis. Now, Davis is part owner of Davis Manafort, the firm in question. But the McCain campaign is insisting that Davis hasn’t drawn any compensation from the firm since 2006. So, the question is, is that true?
McCain campaign house blogger Michael Goldfarb says this is demonstrably false. And it may well be false. But the only evidence seems to be Davis’s and the campaign’s claims. I suspect that what they’re saying may be true. But at this point with Davis and the campaign caught in so many different lies, do they really have any credibility to make such claims absent actual evidence? I mean, just yesterday Davis was saying he hadn’t had any contact with the mortgage giants since the front group he ran for them shut down in 2005. And now we learn that the following year he asked them to keep sending more checks, apparently in return for no services rendered — a point, you should note, that Goldfarb appears unable to deny.
Second, if I’m an owner of a company, I don’t have to draw compensation today to reap benefits from the company’s current success and profits.
The best statement I’ve read so far on this tangled web is just out from Public Action Campaign Fund …
“John McCain’s campaign manager and Freddie Mac essentially had what amounts to a secret half a million dollar lay-a-way plan. For almost three years and as late as last month, Freddie Mac made secret, monthly payments of $15,000 to Rick Davis’s firm, apparently in exchange for providing special access to a future McCain White House. If McCain knew about this, his presidential campaign should be in serious trouble. If he didn’t know about it, he ought to fire Rick Davis immediately,” said David Donnelly, Director of Campaign Money Watch.

I’m sure in the end, McCain will make an emotional, gut decision. Maybe he’ll look in the Treasury Secretary’s eyes, see a good soul, and vote for the bailout.

Ohio (20) Obama 45.1 McCain 46.7 McCain +1.6
Pennsylvania (21) Obama 47.0 McCain 44.5 Obama +2.5
Florida (27) Obama 46.0 McCain 48.0 McCain +2.0
Virginia (13) Obama 46.0 McCain 47.3 McCain +1.3
Wisconsin (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 44.8 Obama +3.2
Colorado (9) Obama 48.4 McCain 44.4 Obama +4.0
Minnesota (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 45.2 Obama +2.8
Indiana (11) Obama 45.5 McCain 47.8 McCain +2.3
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Obama+Biden=Dazed and confused

Anyone catch that George Will endorsement of Obama yesterday?
Man, when Will endorses the Democrat, the choice is clear. Will implies McCain’s temperament just can’t be fixed. And he’s far from alone among Republicans, who just can’t bring themselves to support a juvenile (despite years on this planet) candidate.

http://clinton6.nara.gov/1993/12/1993-12-08-briefing-by-bentsen-and-rubin.text.html Here is some good reading to see how the mortgage problems arose

$222,689,884,457 is the cost of the military-industrial complex. Democrat President Johnson expanded the Vietnam conflict and the military-industrial complex grew.
Republican President Eisenhower’s farewell speech warned the American public about the military-industrial complex. Democrat President Kennedy wanted to withdraw all the troops from Vietnam. There is always a question about the timing of President Kennedy’s assassination. President Johnson assumed the Presidency.
Obama in a recent speech stated he would send troops to Pakistan. Can this be just another Democrat that talks like President Johnson? President Johnson said he will bring the troops home from Vietnam and later decided to expand the Vietnam War killing Americans and Vietnamese. Obama stated I would return the troops from Iraq. Later he states he would send troops to Pakistan.
I do not trust Obama’s double talk. I voted for President Johnson and that was the last time I voted Democrat. President Johnson was unpopular because of his doubled standards and lies about Vietnam. Joe Biden finds it difficult to keep up with the changing rhetoric of Obama. It is NO Obama.
http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com/

The Real Culprits In This Meltdown
>
> INVESTOR’S BUSINESS DAILY
> Posted 9/15/2008
> Big Government: Barack Obama and Democrats blame the historic
> financial turmoil on the market. But if it’s dysfunctional, Democrats
> during the Clinton years are a prime reason for it.
>
> Obama in a statement yesterday blamed the shocking new round of
> subprime-related bankruptcies on the free-market system, and
> specifically the “trickle-down” economics of the Bush administration,
> which he tried to gig opponent John McCain for wanting to extend.
> But it was the Clinton administration, obsessed with multiculturalism,
> that dictated where mortgage lenders could lend, and originally helped
> create the market for the high-risk subprime loans now infecting like
> a retrovirus the balance sheets of many of Wall Street’s most revered
> institutions.
> Tough new regulations forced lenders into high-risk areas where they
> had no choice but to lower lending standards to make the loans that
> sound business practices had previously guarded against making. It was
> either that or face stiff government penalties.
> The untold story in this whole national crisis is that President
> Clinton put on steroids the Community Redevelopment Act, a well-
> intended Carter-era law designed to encourage minority homeownership.
> And in so doing, he helped create the market for the risky subprime
> loans that he and Democrats now decry as not only greedy but
> “predatory.”
> Yes, the market was fueled by greed and overleveraging in the
> secondary market for subprimes, vis-a-vis mortgaged-backed securities
> traded on Wall Street. But the seed was planted in the ’90s by Clinton
> and his social engineers. They were the political catalyst behind this
> slow-motion financial train wreck.
> And it was the Clinton administration that mismanaged the quasi-
> governmental agencies that over the decades have come to manage the
> real estate market in America.
> As soon as Clinton crony Franklin Delano Raines took the helm in 1999
> at Fannie Mae, for example, he used it as his personal piggy bank,
> looting it for a total of almost $100 million in compensation by the
> time he left in early 2005 under an ethical cloud.
> Other Clinton cronies, including Janet Reno aide Jamie Gorelick,
> padded their pockets to the tune of another $75 million.
> Raines was accused of overstating earnings and shifting losses so he
> and other senior executives could earn big bonuses.
> In the end, Fannie had to pay a record $400 million civil fine for SEC
> and other violations, while also agreeing as part of a settlement to
> make changes in its accounting procedures and ways of managing risk.
> But it was too little, too late. Raines had reportedly steered Fannie
> Mae business to subprime giant Countrywide Financial, which was saved
> from bankruptcy by Bank of America.
> At the same time, the Clinton administration was pushing Fannie and
> her brother Freddie Mac to buy more mortgages from low-income
> households.
> The Clinton-era corruption, combined with unprecedented catering to
> affordable-housing lobbyists, resulted in today’s nationalization of
> both Fannie and Freddie, a move that is expected to cost taxpayers
> tens of billions of dollars.
> And the worst is far from over. By the time it is, we’ll all be paying
> for Clinton’s social experiment, one that Obama hopes to trump with a
> whole new round of meddling in the housing and jobs markets. In fact,
> the social experiment Obama has planned could dwarf both the Great
> Society and New Deal in size and scope.
> There’s a political root cause to this mess that we ignore at our
> peril. If we blame the wrong culprits, we’ll learn the wrong lessons.
> And taxpayers will be on the hook for even larger bailouts down the
> road.
> But the government-can-do-no-wrong crowd just doesn’t get it. They
> won’t acknowledge the law of unintended consequences from well-
> meaning, if misguided, acts.
> Obama and Democrats on the Hill think even more regulation and more
> interference in the market will solve the problem their policies
> helped cause. For now, unarmed by the historic record, conventional
> wisdom is buying into their blame-business-first rhetoric and bigger-
> government solutions.
> While government arguably has a role in helping low-income folks buy a
> home, Clinton went overboard by strong-arming lenders with tougher and
> tougher regulations, which only led to lenders taking on hundreds of
> billions in subprime bilge.
> Market failure? Hardly. Once again, this crisis has government’s
> fingerprints all over it.

HP: “PAUL, George Will hates MODERATE Republicans……”
So basically you’re saying Will is lying. He says the problem with McCain is his temperament (and he’s certainly not alone in that point). But in reality, according to you, the problem with McCain is he’s not a conservative.
Hmmm, don’t know about that one.

The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who cannot afford to live anywhere else. However, it is not safe to live here. It is an Obama failure of the worse kind. This is an Obama program.
Obama cannot properly represent voters in his Illinois district. Here is a sample of the representation Obama will give all American voters.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1

“One of the most insulting outrages is how the Obama contingent continues to use racism as a weapon against us while at the same time setting free the societal restraints against sexism. Those restraints were already weak. What we have seen is a pandering to the neanderthal tendencies in men from the left that is no less disgusting and unacceptable than the pandering to the white segregationists of the south by the Republicans since Richard Nixon. In the process, it is the Obamaphiles who have voted against their own interests by passing on the true leader, a woman, in favor of a man who stroked their egos.”

HP – don’t know who you are quoting, but it seems odd to argue that Obama is more sexist than McCain, you doesn’t support equal pay for equal work, and who has a long history of saying some pretty unflattering stuff about individual women, including his wife.
Here’s a McCain classic:
Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because Janet Reno is her father.

REDDOGG
just because you fail to read any of obamas statements or proposals doesnt mean they are not out there…
mccain has been running around saying that obama has been doing nothing, but that is simply a lie, mccain is trying to protect himself from last weeks massive flubs and terribly un-presidential behavior…
look at the headlines everywhere, obama calm cool collected during crisis, mccain stumbles through it…
i mean im sorry but obama immediatly laid out a plan of action, then the bailout happened,
and both candidates had to wait to see what was going on and what the proposal from the white house would be
then they both laid out statements
its all there, you can piece together a timeline easily
and it will show mccain ducking for cover

also im not a thug, im a concerned voter who hates this administration and does not wish that you guys win another election and put the america i love through another terrible and demoralizing and destructive administration…
we need to fix america and fix our standing in the world
that wont happen under mccain, and it sure wont happen if he dies and palin takes over
the mccain ticket went from being scary to down right terrifying with his vp decision

Just another attempt at distraction, HP. That’s all.
You seriously are trying to blame Obama for conditions in Section 8 housing? Lol, its too much. Y’all have to make up your minds. Is he doing nothing or he is responsible for everything that goes wrong? Trying to argue both at the same time is, well, rather McCain-like.

One of the most insulting outrages is how the Obama contingent continues to use racism as a weapon against us while at the same time setting free the societal restraints against sexism. Those restraints were already weak. What we have seen is a pandering to the neanderthal tendencies in men from the left that is no less disgusting and unacceptable than the pandering to the white segregationists of the south by the Republicans since Richard Nixon. In the process, it is the Obamaphiles who have voted against their own interests by passing on the true leader, a woman, in favor of a man who stroked their egos.”

ill try to get a link to the article i posted for you guys
then you can follow it and decide if its completely true or not

Who is Obama?
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=800

One of the most insulting outrages is how the Obama contingent continues to use racism as a weapon against us while at the same time setting free the societal restraints against sexism. Those restraints were already weak. What we have seen is a pandering to the neanderthal tendencies in men from the left that is no less disgusting and unacceptable than the pandering to the white segregationists of the south by the Republicans since Richard Nixon. In the process, it is the Obamaphiles who have voted against their own interests by passing on the true leader, a woman, in favor of a man who stroked their egos.”

Did Obama do this?
“Obama Jeopardized U.S. National Security in 2006: Obama and Raila Odinga of Kenya” by Paula Abeles
http://www.realdemocratsusa.org/research/obamaoding.pdf

Hi GIGI: Let’s try to compare apples to apples and not oranges. I stated Chicago’s summer murder stats to respond to Clifton’s comment, “This ‘financial surge’ won’t work any better than the “surge in Iraq”. (Anyone noticed that American deaths are up for the 3rd straight month in Iraq – more than doubled from July)” If you want to compare rapes, aggravated assaults, gang violence, thefts, etc. you’re opening Pandora’s box.
Also, your comment, “Interesting you choose this SUMMER, since CHicago has enjoyed a rather leveraged crime rate for the last ten years, except this summer there was one specific event during the Taste oF Chicago event where people lost their lives.”
You are aware Obama has been an IL Senator for less than three years and guess what? The Chicago murders have been increasing for the last three years.
By the way, there were 3.56 million people visiting the Taste of Chicago in 2008 and FOUR people were shot, ONE was fatal. Actually, your argument using The Taste of Chicago and Chicago’s crime rate over the last 10 years helps prove my point.
Are you and Biden secretly working for McCain?

hp where are you getting your poll results?
like 2 months ago or somethign?
i mean, seriously…. time to update your book marks bud

OBUMA:
I guess the more we get to know him, the less we like him, huh? And we’re Democrats for goodness’ sake. So 28% of us are definitely NOT voting for Obama. That’s what? Like 5 MILLION votes. Bush beat Kerry by 3 million votes in 2004. In any case, in addition to the 5 million Democrats who are already decided against Obama, there are still another 14% of Clinton voters who “haven’t yet made up their minds.” That’s another 2 MILLION or so Democrats who aren’t saying who they’re voting for. Bill Clinton beat Bob Dole by about 8 million votes in 1996, and it was considered a minor landslide. It may too early to say we told you so, but it’s not too early to start savoring the thought.
So, the Western State Strategy? You remember don’t you? Obama was going to competitively force McCain into fighting for his territory in the West and maybe even pick up some traditionally red states, like Montana, Wisconsin, New Mexico, and even Alaska? Yes, it was to be the triumphant culmination of Howard’s Brilliant 50-State Spending Spree, I mean Strategy. OOPS.
PUMAPAC.ORG

Ohio (20) Obama 45.1 McCain 46.7 McCain +1.6
Pennsylvania (21) Obama 47.0 McCain 44.5 Obama +2.5
Florida (27) Obama 46.0 McCain 48.0 McCain +2.0
Virginia (13) Obama 46.0 McCain 47.3 McCain +1.3
Wisconsin (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 44.8 Obama +3.2
Colorado (9) Obama 48.4 McCain 44.4 Obama +4.0
Minnesota (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 45.2 Obama +2.8
Indiana (11) Obama 45.5 McCain 47.8 McCain +2.3
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hp where are you getting your poll results?
like 2 months ago or somethign?
i mean, seriously…. time to update your book marks bud
Posted by: Bhrandon | Sep 24, 2008 11:48:03 AM
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GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK!! bud?

I was doing you a favor by not doing apples to apples…
governor to governor
senator to senator
state to state
land mass to land mass
population to population
scale it to crime multiplied against the same factor number for each state, and I bet you never talk about crime again.
Thing is, this does not make the difference in who people will vote.
People will listen to anyone EXCEPT WHOEVER ENDORSED GEORGE W BUSH LAST YEAR. hell yeah I’m pulling the Bush card… you’ve given Democrats a “get out of jail” lifetime membership by giving our country to that man.
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Hi GIGI: Let’s try to compare apples to apples and not oranges. I stated Chicago’s summer murder stats to respond to Clifton’s comment, “This ‘financial surge’ won’t work any better than the “surge in Iraq”. (Anyone noticed that American deaths are up for the 3rd straight month in Iraq – more than doubled from July)” If you want to compare rapes, aggravated assaults, gang violence, thefts, etc. you’re opening Pandora’s box.
Also, your comment, “Interesting you choose this SUMMER, since CHicago has enjoyed a rather leveraged crime rate for the last ten years, except this summer there was one specific event during the Taste oF Chicago event where people lost their lives.”
You are aware Obama has been an IL Senator for less than three years and guess what? The Chicago murders have been increasing for the last three years.
By the way, there were 3.56 million people visiting the Taste of Chicago in 2008 and FOUR people were shot, ONE was fatal. Actually, your argument using The Taste of Chicago and Chicago’s crime rate over the last 10 years helps prove my point.
Are you and Biden secretly working for McCain?
Posted by: Gus in Chicago | Sep 24, 2008 11:46:16 AM

NO Plan NOBAMA

redddog
well then you obviously live under a rock, he sent out his first proposal early last week
then with the bailout he made some initial statements but said he was not going to influence the market by making a long list of things before having the white house way in…
mccain said the same thing
the last few days eh has released a economic proposal and a proposal on what the bailout should contain but doesnt

Well, I see I missed a bunch of stuff over lunch – mostly HP demonstrating her ability to cut n paste her own posts.
Just read elsewhere that Buffett is making some alarming statements, like this being an economic Pearl Harbor, etc.

kris – what poll are you talking about? The one in the article about how 53 percent of voters think the economy is the most important issue?

You know, I think this is supposed to be a discussion board, but instead it seems like a neighborhood telephone pole, with one guy after another coming by with a flier and a staple gun, just hoping his flier will be the last one stapled to the pile:
Obama sucks! staple
McCain sucks! staple
Obama has bad friends! staple
McCain can’t remember his friends! staple
Obama is up in this poll! staple
McCain is up in that poll! staple
Obama is sexist for beating Clinton! staple
McCain is sexist for beating his wife! staple

No Paul my point is to get someone else to read and listen to what goes on out there in the world last week This here board of people voting for obama called McCain a loose cannon a flip flop and how Obama was waiting to put out a proposal and that showed his leadership abilities yet his plan that he has come out with after McCain said it mostly mirriors McCains

reddog – you are superimposing various things through an inexactness in your language.
A “proposal” for what?
If you’re talking about the bailout, it seems neither McCain nor Obama were first, because neither has commented except to say they want the details (the proposal currently is something like 2 and a half pages). And both have said what details they’ll need to see before they support it.
If you’re talking about a general economic stimulus, which was the topic before last Thursday, Obama did release his initial comments first, but said more details would be posted by his economic team. That was the same day McCain was saying he’d fire Cox, which he later learned a president can’t do. The next day was the day after the midnight meeting between Treasury and congressional leaders, the day Chris Dodd said we may be 48 hours away from meltdown, and Obama held off on fleshing out details of his own plan in order to help create bipartisan cooperation with the Administration, and thus help create a sense of confidence the crisis was being handled.
If you’re talking about a general economic agenda, both McCain and Obama released that more than a year ago.

Now the flip flop thing is different, though again there are connections to this current economic crisis.
He does seem to be on all sides of all issues. Well, maybe abortion is a consistency. But what else can we put in that category?

The proposal of what each would need to sign or support the bailout.Obama gave general thoughts McCain gave harsh thoughts at first I agree I thought he was spot on saying no we whould not bailout AIG. He changed stance because the alternative was not any better.Obama seems to me to be playing duck and cover .He was cautious about backing the bailout of wall street but said nothing else.I have read many things on the internet heard may news reports but only find him talking in circles and having a REAL plan

McCain is emotional I agree but I equate that with being passionate and his true feelings And by him saying no right away on the AIG bailout shows he sees that as us the taxpayers footing the bill.Hey Ithink you know where you stand with him I dont get the same feeling with Obama

AAAH MEMORY LANE… WHO REMEMBERS:
BUSH ABANDONING CAMPAIGN PLEDGE TO CUT CLIMATE-WARMING POLLUTION – RIGHT AFTER BEING ELECTED
BUSH SIGNING 1.3 TRILLION TAX CUT
THAT ANNOYING PRESIDENTIAL DAILY BRIEF WHEN SOMEONE TOLD HIM “BIN LADEN DETERMINED TO STRIKE THE US”
WHEN THE US INVADED AFGHANISTAN, GOOD TIMES EH BUSH?
OSAMA SLIPING AWAY AT TORA BORA
GUANTANAMO BAY OPENS FOR BUSINESS
BUSH SAYING “I TRULY AM NOT THAT CONCERNED ABOUT HIM” TALKING ABOUT BIN LADEN
BUSH SECRETLY DIVERTING $700 MILLION APPROPRIATED FOR AFGHANISTAN TO PREPARE FOR INVASION OF IRAQ
THE PENTAGON UNVEILING PROJECT TO “DATA MINE” EVERY AMERICAN’S PHONE CALLS, EMAILS AND MEDICAL RECORDS
CHENEY SAYING “THERE IS NO DOUBT THAT SADDAM HUSSEIN NOW HAS WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTIONS” -WHO CAN FORGET THAT! LOL
WHEN THE REPUBLICANS REGAINED SENATE MAJORITY…
WAS THAT BEFORE OR AFTER RUMSFELD AUTHORIZED TORTURE??? ANYONE REMEMBERS?
OR WHEN in the state of the Union THEY SAID THAT SADDAM “SOUGHT SIGNIFICANT QUANTITIES OF URANIUM FROM AFRICA”
****DUCK TAPE*****
THE FALL AND DEMISE OF COLIN POWELL’S HONOR :(
10 MILLION PROTESTING THE WAR – AT ONCE
IRAQ LOOTIN’! HEY… “STUFF HAPPENS!”
*M*I*S*S*I*O*N A*C*C*O*M*P*L*I*S*H*E*D ABOARD THE U.S.S ABRAHAM LINCOLN
WHEN INSURGENCY BEGAN IN IRAQ “BRING THEM ON!” YEEEEEEEHAWWWW!!!!
ROBERT NOVAK’S BIG MOUTH ON VALERIE PLAME!!!
CONGRESS BARS GOVERNMENT FROM NEGOTIATING CHEAPER PRESCRIPTIONS FOR THE ELDERLY (surely they had they reasons… )
SADDAM CAPTURED – now that’s a sight!
ABU GHRAIB
THE DAY US DEATHS IN IRAQ MADE IT TO 1,000 :(
WHEN BUSH SIGNED $155 BILLION IN CORPORATE TAX CUTS!
AAAAAAAAAAAND PEOPLE LIKE YOU WENT AND RE-ELECTED HIM! REMEMBER THAT? REMEMBER HOW YOU FELT THAT DAY?????
NOT LONG AFTER CONGRESS APPROVES $13,997 PORK-BARREL PROJECTS – Hey was that a record???
Good thing BUSH’s popularity was at a STEADY low.. until… one day at 1 AM…
BUSH SIGNS TERRI SCHIAVO’S LIFE AWAY
AND IT DROPPED
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER THE WHITE HOUSE GETTING CAUGHT CENSORING REPORTS BY GOVERNMENT SCIENTIESTS ON GLOBAL WARKING, or did I dream that?
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand we entered the Twilight Zone, where we switch places with Irak, Palestine, Afghanistan, and other places where citizens are left to die while their govenrment watch = KATRINA — HEEEEY JOHNY MAVERICK MCCAIN, REMEMBER HOW BUSH YOUR OLD BUDDY OL’ PAL FLEW TO VISIT YOU INSTEAD OF CONCERNING HIMSELF WITH KATRINA?! AND HE GOT YOU A CAKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WASN’T THAT AWESOME?
I MEAN… OF COURSE YOU DID DO THE RIGHT THING HOLDING OFF ALL KINDS OF STUFF AND MAKING SURE CINDY DIDN’T WEAR SOMETHING OVERLY OPULENT AND EXPENSIVE DURING THE CONVENTION BUCAUSE… WELL BECAUSE TEXAS WAS BEING HIT BY A HURRICANE.
HIPPO? NO! ELEPHANT!
“BROWNIE, YOUR’E DOING A HECK OF A JOB”
POO POO TOM DELAY GOT INDICTED AND BUSH WAS SOOOO SAD BOOOH BOOOOH!!!
BUT HEY! SOON, BUSH WAS ABLE TO CELEBRATE IRAQ’S 2000 DEATH COUNT :(
BUT BOOOH BOOH! BAD BAD DEMOCRATS AT IT AGAIN! THEIR WICKED WAYS GET JACK ABRAMOFF CONVICTED! BOOO!
WHAS THAT WORSE THAN WHEN MARK FOLEY QUIT?
OR WAS IT WHEN RUMSFELD RESIGND?
GOOD THING THE IRAQUI STUDY GROUP AT THIS POINT REALIZED THAT “HOUSTON, WE MIGHT HAVE A PROBLEM”
PARTY POO POO POOPERS REGAIN CONTROL OF HOUSE AND SENATE – DARN AMERICAN PEOPLE AND THEIR STUPID ELECTORAL SYSTEM!
AND BUSH CELEBRATED REACHING 3000 DEATHS IN IRAQ INSTEAD OF LETTING LOONEY LIBERALS RUIN HIS PARTY!
TOO BAD LATER AFTER THAT SENATOR LARRY CRAIG WAS ARRESTED
BUT BUSH, NOT ONE TO LET OTHER PEOPLE PUT HIM DOWN!:
COMMUTES SCOOTER LIBBY’S SENTENCE
AND THEN HELL FROZE OVER = KARL ROVE RESIGNED!
“WAIT, WAIT, WHAT DID YOU JUST SAY? YOU’RE PREDICTING A $4 A GALLON GASOLINE? THAT’S INTERESTING, I HADN’T HEARD THAT” ————– funny!
HAVE NO FEAR! 4,OOO DEATHS IS HERE!
:(
“FAREWELL FROM TEH WORLD’S BIGGEST POLLUTER!”
AND I SPECIALLY REMEMBER WITH UH, A STOKE TO MY HEART WHEN WE WERE SO INNOCENT TO THINK THAT BUSH’S WHITE HOUSE WOULD LEAVE US WITH A RECORD DEFICIT OF $482 BILLION… TO THINK, IT’S BEEN A WHOLE WEEK SINCE THEN!
VOTE FOR MCCAIN? – “THANKS BUT NO THANKS”

This ‘bailout’ is just another damned band-aid and will fail like all the rest have failed.
It’s time for americans to make some hard choices. Hopefully they will choose in favor of their children and grandchildren and pass on a healthy world.
We can’t begin to heal until we hit bottom. and we can’t hit bottom until we put down the damned shovel.
Thinking this bailout will fix anything or bring a lastinmg change is like standing in a bucket and trying to lift yourself by the handle.

I Like the passion GIGI do you get a sore throat from all the yelling?
Posted by: reddog0216 | Sep 24, 2008 1:52:05 PM
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is that the only thing that bothered you from that whole post?
waoo!
sorry about the caps. i want my post to stand out and i know judge is here.. he’s seventy, and i want to be considerate of his old age and old eyes.
again, my apologies.
amazing though… what some people will give up for their party.

OK fine, I’ll cut it down to only ONE horrible bad thing this president did, and I will be fair!! I will pick one that I think might help us determine something here…
PAUL, REDDOG, and anyone who wishes to answer: DO YOU guys remember when Katrina hit New Orleans… Do you remember what BUSH did that day, instead of what he SHOULD have been doing?

Yeah I think you’re right Kathy… because I think that the dude that’s getting $2Million from Freddie Mac is in fact NOT in the Obama campaign… he couldn’t see, cuz he’s Senator McCains’ Campaign Manager
and I think that would be a HUGE faux pas!!! uff!

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HP – you’re still repeating that quote? Who said it, by the way? Eh, never mind, don’t really care.
I’ll bet Obama never called his wife the C word.

One of the most insulting outrages is how the Obama contingent continues to use racism as a weapon against us while at the same time setting free the societal restraints against sexism. Those restraints were already weak. What we have seen is a pandering to the neanderthal tendencies in men from the left that is no less disgusting and unacceptable than the pandering to the white segregationists of the south by the Republicans since Richard Nixon. In the process, it is the Obamaphiles who have voted against their own interests by passing on the true leader, a woman, in favor of a man who stroked their egos.”

Obama enough is enough your words – bail out people not wall street. We were screwed twice once on mortgage fraud and then on gas manipulation.
You want my vote – take a stand
OH IO

Posted by: Paul | Sep 24, 2008 2:15:51 PM
ER… PAUL… I see… But my question was DO YOU REMEMBER WHAT BUSH DID THE DAY KATRINA HIT NEW ORLEANS?
THE MORNING OF AUGUST 29…
WHAT DID PRESIDENT BUSH DO ON THE MORNING OF AUGUST 29, INSTEAD OF GOING OUT TO KATRINA OR WORKING ON IT OR PRETENDING HE WAS WORKING OR WORRIED ABOUT IT OR WHATEVER…
I WILL GIVE YOU A HINT, THERE WAS CAKE.

Paul….I’m guessing everyone realizes you just asked if Obama ever called his wife the C word?
Is that how you want people to see you? Someone who will say anything regardless of how true it may be, if you think it hurts McCain? I think you’re better than that, at least most of the time.—————–
One of the most insulting outrages is how the Obama contingent continues to use racism as a weapon against us while at the same time setting free the societal restraints against sexism. Those restraints were already weak. What we have seen is a pandering to the neanderthal tendencies in men from the left that is no less disgusting and unacceptable than the pandering to the white segregationists of the south by the Republicans since Richard Nixon. In the process, it is the Obamaphiles who have voted against their own interests by passing on the true leader, a woman, in favor of a man who stroked their egos.”

Boston, you make no sense. How is Obama playing the race card. that is simply stupid and in your imagination.
As for Hillary, she messed up on her own. She came in with a 20 point advantage and everything handed to her and mismanaged her campaign.
That is what happens when you cannot manage your own campaign.
She is probably best in the senate anyway.
And she seems happier.
Give it a rest and let it go. She has moved on so why haven’t you.

reddog – another point we agree on, lol.

Paul My secratary thinks I am crazy she keeps hearing me laugh my a$$ of then calls in to see if everything is okay LOL

You have a secretary? I’m jealous. They just gave me a computer instead, and a printer that sometimes actually works if you sprinkle chicken blood on it beforehand.

She has moved on so why haven’t you.
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I have alll the way to McCain/PALIN!!!

I just heard Paulson is now open to limiting the bailed out company CEO’s salaries
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Well that is big of him…guess he may figure 2 pennies may be his.
This is a sham and a shame on America again!

John McCain is stopping his campaign not on the day the bailout was announced but on the day the polls showed him way behind.
What a chicken. What a chickensh** way to lead.
BTW: Is Palin stopping her work??? If not, this is all about politics.
Obama, I believe you can do both at the same time. Go to it.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | Sep 24, 2008 3:13:50 PM
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Yes and Biden is having his head examined and the Obuma is in his bunker trying to find a way to speak at a debate, he so sucks at debating. He should of been warned his life long quest in politics requires some debating. Poor fool! It is so silly watching him hum and hawing um an uh soooing….lol lol

TELL THEM TO VOTE NO NOW!!!

I’ll give this to Bush II, when 9-11 happened he didn’t drop the book he was reading in front of the kids and run screaming from the classroom.

McCain will be in DC earning his salary this weekend…McCain knows who he works for and puts this country ahead of himself…just like he did with the surge and everything else in his life.
Obama will be as lost as always and can debate himself, he is the only thing important to that communist egomaniac.
Obama couldn’t lead me to the head.

Of course McCain needs to suspend his campaign and work on the economy, since up until a week ago he still thought that the “fundamentals of our economy are strong”.
Obviously Sarah Palin isn’t ready to take over the campaign, so how can McCain even suggest that she is ready to be VP? It is just another example of his poor judgement and what a joke his “Country First” slogan is. McCain will put winning an election above anything else!

LEED
how about using the crisis we are in so he can get a quick way out of the mess he’s in himself?
OF COURSE HE HAS TO SUSPEND HIS CAMPAIGN – he HAS to fire his Campaign Manager!!
why?
because let’s say that his campaign Manager LIED to him about his ties to Freddie Mac, and MCCAIN IS INOCENT… then fine, McCain is Inoccent BUT HIS CAMPAIGN MANAGER LIED so he HAS TO FIRE HIM.
OR
Let’s say his Campaign Manager DID NOT lie to McCain… SO THEN MCCAIN HAS KNOWN ALL ALONG ABOUT HIS OWN CAMPAIGN TIES TO FREDDIE MAC and just decided to lie to us???
WHICH IS IT?
I want a president who can LEAD. WHO can deal with the economy and a war, and prostestors, and the foreign policy and Illegal Inmigrants, AND HEALT CARE PROBLEMS, ENERGY PROBLEMA – ALL AT THE SAME TIME.
PROBLEMS don’t take numbers and wait their turn, Senator McCain.