Unclear If Palin Subscribes to Bush Doctrine
ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Rigel Anderson report: Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin supports using U.S. military force when a strike is "imminent" against the American people, but in an interview with ABC News, she stopped short of saying whether she supports "anticipatory self-defense," leaving open the question of whether she subscribes to the Bush Doctrine.
"Charlie, if there is legitimate and enough intelligence that tells us that a strike is imminent against American people, we have every right to defend our country," Palin told ABC News’ Charles Gibson. "In fact, the president has the obligation, the duty to defend, and that’s what a McCain-Palin administration would do."
President Bush’s September 2002 "National Security Strategy of the United States" declares that the U.S. "must adapt the concept of imminent threat to the capabilities and objectives of today’s adversaries."
The security strategy reads: "The greater the threat, the greater is the risk of inaction — and the more compelling the case for taking anticipatory action to defend ourselves, even if uncertainty remains as to the time and place of the enemy’s attack."
Asked if Palin’s bar for the use of force is higher than the one contained in the Bush Doctrine, the McCain-Palin campaign said that it was a highly conceptual question that Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., himself may have never answered, and that it was going to let Palin’s interview with Gibson stand on its own.
The McCain campaign also explained Palin’s unclear stance on the Bush Doctrine by telling ABCNews.com that Gibson’s question was asked in the abstract and not in the context of an Iraq war, which the Republican presidential nominee has consistently supported.
McCain not only voted to authorize the use of force in Iraq, but reaffirmed in an interview earlier this year that he thinks the U.S. invasion of Iraq was not a mistake.
"The war, ‘the invasion,’ was not a mistake. The handling of the war was a terrible mistake," McCain told the late Tim Russert of NBC News in January.
Palin discussed her views, on the Bush Doctrine and the use of force, with Gibson during her first televised interview since being named as McCain’s running mate.
The discussion of "anticipatory self-defense" began with Gibson asking, "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"
"In what respect, Charlie?" asked Palin.
Gibson explained that he was asking if she agrees with Bush that the United States has "the right to a pre-emptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us."
The Alaska governor did not directly answer the question.
"I agree that a president’s job, when they swear-in their oath to uphold our Constitution, their top priority is to defend the United States of America," said Palin. "I know that John McCain will do that and I, as his vice president … we are blessed with that vote of the American people and are elected to serve and are sworn-in on Jan. 20, that will be our top priority … to defend the American people."
Gibson reposed the question, asking, "Do we have a right to anticipatory self-defense? Do we have a right to make a pre-emptive strike against another country if we feel that country might strike us?"
Palin once again avoided directly answering the question.
Instead of answering whether she agreed with Bush on whether the U.S. has a right to "anticipatory self-defense," she simply stated her support for the traditional concept of using military force to combat an "imminent threat."
While calling for the U.S. to revise its policy on the use of force, the September 2002 National Security Strategy of the United States describes an imminent threat as "most often a visible mobilization of armies, navies, and air forces preparing to attack."
In her interview with ABC News, Palin was initially unsure of what Gibson was referring to when he asked about the Bush Doctrine. The McCain campaign says that this is because the Bush Doctrine has been used to refer to multiple concepts beyond anticipatory self-defense, including "are you with us or are you against us," and the concept that the United States will hold a nation-state that harbors terrorists, responsible. Before Gibson explained that he was referring to anticipatory self-defense, Palin suggested that she thought it referred to the president’s commitment to ridding the world of Islamic extremism.
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This article doesn’t fully explain the situation. Palin had no idea what the Bush Doctrine is.
Gibson’s asking her if she agrees does not demand nuance. She had a “moose in the headlights look.” He literally had to define the doctrine for her.
It takes more than snark and staring across the ocean to Russia to actually be qualified to lead the country.
Posted by: burto | September 12, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
you missed the bigger point..she DIDNT KNOW what the bush doctrine is…she had no idea until he explained it…wake up america..
Posted by: etw | September 12, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
she’s not ‘unclear’, she has no idea what the ‘bush doctrine’ even is! This is extremely scary.
Please wake up America before it’s too late!
Posted by: lisa | September 12, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
YOU GOTTA LOVE PALIN IN ALL HER QUARKY IGNORANCE. WE ALL SEE WHY THE GOP TRIED TO KEEP THEIR OWN GOODY TWO-MOOSE IN A SHELTERED CRANNIE, TO AVOID EXPOSURE FROM THOSE “LIBERAL ELITIST MEDIA FOLK” WHO ARE TOO LIBERAL TO KNOW ANYTHING THATS HAPPENING IN THE “REAL WORLD”
HAHA… YOU GOTTA LOVE THIS RIGHT WING CHICK! OBAMA 08′
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
I don’t disagree that Palin did not understand the term. But who actually does? Look it up in Wikipedia. The term “Bush Doctrine” is a broad term that has had several meanings in the past 8 years. It is reasonable that it would take a few seconds for Gibson to clarify exactly what it was that he was asking.
David Gergen on CNN even said that most journalists wouldn’t know what the term meant.
Posted by: Katharine | September 12, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
Oooooh, chortle, chortle. This was it…the “potatoe” moment. The are you smarter than a fifth grader moment. The moose caught in the headlights moment. But there were others. I predict she’ll be off the ticket before another week passes.
Posted by: Dema | September 12, 2008, 12:51 am 12:51 am
The sad part is that she’s smart and she was bad! not good for a pitbull…
Sad day in this country, when the folks running for office don’t know the polocies out there, and then to say we would go to war with Russia, the republicans sure love war, what happened to diplomacy fisrt?…
Posted by: Mark | September 12, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
PALIN ISNT EVEN THE REAL MISS ALASKA…
A WOMAN WHO SUPPORTS OBAMA IS… BUT I GUESS PALIN LIKES STEALING TITLES…. MISS ALASKA—-AGENT OF CHANGE…. WELL YOU GET THE IDEA.
OBAMA 08′
Posted by: BUSHSCRACKDEALER | September 12, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am
There is no singular “Bush Doctrine”, as in the Monroe Doctrine. If you believe that there is an agreed upon definition of the “Bush Doctrine”, you’re not as intelligent as you think.
Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
it is funny that left tried like her to bush third term and yet she does not know bush doctrine.
Posted by: xiao | September 12, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
Seriously now… How many of you liberals knew that you disagreed with the “Bush Doctrine” before this interview???
Posted by: seriously | September 12, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
“Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?” is a very sarcastic questions
Posted by: Tim | September 12, 2008, 12:55 am 12:55 am
At least she did not say, that’s not what I meant.
Posted by: catleya | September 12, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
coke man, sorry, didn’t know you were a teacher!
Posted by: Mark | September 12, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
It makes sense because she is not the 3rd Bush, right?
Posted by: catleya | September 12, 2008, 12:57 am 12:57 am
Women are crossing over to Palin, but they are just getting warmed up.
Osama bin Biden is toast.
Posted by: Hostile Knowledge | September 12, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
I DIDNT KNOW BUSH AND OBAMA HAD THE SAME DEALER???? HMMM (CHUCKLE CHUCKLE)
PALIN JUNKIES ARE THE BEST… YOU GUYS ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE I LIKE TO PATRONIZE ABOUT POLITICS AT WORK…. ITS FUNNY HOW ANGRY AND DETACHED YOU BECOME WHEN YOU HEAR THE FACTS ABOUT YOUR TICKET.
OBAMA 08′
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
If a man(Terrorist)walked into your home (Country) and murdered your family and then is witnessed walking into your neighbors house, should the police (military) have the right to go into the house and get him? Should they be allowed to use force? Should my neighbor be allowed to protect him? I think you need to look no further than the laws that apply to every american citizen to to find your answers.
Posted by: Tony Ball | September 12, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Bitter, nervous, angry and defensive. Good pick, John.
Posted by: Namsled | September 12, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
I thought Palin was being coached by Bush’s advisers, like Steve Biegun, who served as a former staff member of Bush’s National Security Council.
Shouldn’t they have explained this to her? But maybe they assumed that as a Republican she already knew?
Or maybe they just told her, when in doubt, repeat over and over, “radical Islamic extremists”.
Posted by: cincyr | September 12, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
XIO…. THATS CAUSE SHES STUPID.
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
How can ABC not know how to summarize this moment of its own interview. Clearly the term “Bush doctrine” was wholly new to her. He asked her multiple times, even asking her at one point what she understood it to mean. Her response? His “world view.”
It was only after Gibson defined the doctrine for her that she gave the wishy washy answer. Unbelievable that ABC isn’t reporting this aspect of the only interview they’re allowing her to do.
Posted by: A B | September 12, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/09/10/article-1054101-029A7F1200000578-189_468x597.jpg
Apparently, even Barrack “Jim Jones” Osama understands the dynamics of the debate has changed…
Posted by: Hostile Knowledge | September 12, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
After her comments about the Iraq War being the work of God, it is further proof that this woman is a liar. More than that, she is a know-nothing who needs a lot more prepping before she can be let loose on her own. Apparently she is like George W. Bush who takes his orders directly from God. Scary Sarah is truly unprepared and unqualified. She all set to start WWIII – if God tells her its the right thing to do. McCain has put at risk the long term stability of this country by bringing this wingnut into the election. He has made a mockery of the electoral process. Palin must be rejected for the sake of future generations and for the entire world. Shoot First is not an acceptable policy in a nuclear world. She is another Goldwater.
Posted by: jefflz | September 12, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
The Bush Doctrine is a phrase. Since it has Bush’s name on it, nobody really knows what it is. Look at all the Obama people thinking this has got to be the thing that makes people who are never in their life going to vote for Obaba vote for Obama. Wishful thinking.
Posted by: Kitty | September 12, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
You can see Russia from Alaska??
Boy, she sure hit that one out of the park.
Posted by: Matt | September 12, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am
Matt, it would be hard to sit and have a dinner conversation with you.
Posted by: Kitty | September 12, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
The hockey mom with lipstick will take us to war with Russia. She scares the hell out of me!!!
Posted by: Mike Nichols | September 12, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
NO KITTY…. MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARENT TRULLY RELLIGIOUS NUTS OR BITTER NRA MEMBERS… ARE JUST BIGGOTS… FLAT OUT… BUT HE HOPES TO REACH THE MAJORITY OF DECENT AMERICANS WHO WANT A BETTER NATION FOR ALL AND OUR FUTURE AMERICANS.
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
The “Bush Doctrine” is a pejorative term, coined by pseudo-intellectuals hell-bent on deriding a shoot-first approach to attacking terrorism. Funny that Charlie would believe that it is common parlance. Do you think the President thinks he has a doctrine? Charlie, why don’t you ask him?
Posted by: SillySeason | September 12, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am
Actually, Sarah Palin was correct to ask Charlie Gibson, “what aspect of it?” in regards to the Bush Doctrine.
According to Wikipedia:
The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan.[1] Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.[2][3][4] Some of these policies were codified in a National Security Council text entitled the National Security Strategy of the United States published on September 20, 2002.[5]
Posted by: John | September 12, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
I bet if Charlie had asked her about the National Security Strategy of the United States she would have known what he was talking about. He should have just said that when she asked for clarity.
Posted by: Kitty | September 12, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
I have respected Charlie Gibson for many years as a journalist, but I must say I am disappointed in how he interviewed Sarah Palin. It was like he was deliberately showing favoritism to Barack Obama. I haven’t heard him ask these kinds of questions to Obama. I doubt many people knew what he was saying when he asked about the Bush Doctrine! Was he talking about all of Bush’s policies? He did not clarify what he was asking until he deliberately tried to make her look stupid, which she is not. I watched the whole interview,not just the snippets. I have been a Democrat for many years. I actually was supporting Hillary for President. However, since Obama does not present a solid clear plan for anything other than “change” I cannot support him. Of course this country wants change after George W Bush. But unless I know a solid defined plan, give me credit for my intelligence Obama; I will not support him. Sarah Palin handled herself well and very articulately. I listen to Obama and he does speak well, but he doesn’t actually articulate what he stands for. As for you, did you know what the Bush Doctrine was? Or did you like me figure it was all of Bush’s policies? Good job Sarah, I am glad John McCain picked you!
Posted by: patricia | September 12, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
WOOW! JOHN IS REALLY REACHING FOR SOMETHING… WAY TO SUPPORT YOUR PARTY JOHN. LOL
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am
McCain’s campaign has jumped the barracuda.
Stick a fork in it.
The fat lady is singing.
This is what lipstick on a pig looks like.
SAY GOODNIGHT, JOHN.
BUH-BYE.
Posted by: Ed from MA | September 12, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am
IKNOW PATRICIA… HE SHOULD HAVE JUST ASKED HER WHAT MOOSE HUNTING IS LIKE AND WHAT HER FAVORITE SHADE OF LIPSTICK IS…. YOU CANT BE SERIOUS.
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
I’m sorry to disappoint you, but even here in backwoods Oklahoma we knew what Charlie meant about the Bush doctrine. It means that it’s ok to do a pre-emptive strike. It was a HUGE change in our entire history of foreign policy. It should be something all Americans have thought about because it’s our kids that have to go to fight those pre-emptive wars. To sum up: Afghanistan- classical enemy that struck us first and deserved to be obliterated. Japan, Germany, etc- classical enemies that attacked us first. Iraq- whole new ballgame. But our “watchdog of the people”- the media- prefers lipstick and dead starlets to boring old foreign policy discussions. And we the people will keep doing the same thing over and over and getting results until we decide we’ve had ENOUGH.
Posted by: Okiemom | September 12, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am
Relax everybody, she did fine. No mistakes.
Posted by: John | September 12, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
TIMEIS, it’ll be OK. Relax. I know you think this is what he wants. Others of us know better. SO, it’s still your wishful thinking. You can slap lipstick on it and call it a duck, but it’s still wishful thinking.
Posted by: Kitty | September 12, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
It is amazing isn’t it? The Obama Doctrine that is. Such a powerful force that none can refute. So clear that even a child can understand. What is it you ask? Change. Nothing more nothing less, just change.
So you’ll have to pardon those of us who need more than just the one word to define their world view.
Posted by: Manuel | September 12, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am
BY THE WAY… I SEE NOTHING WRONG WITH ENJOYING A FEW HELPINGS OF MOOSE CARCASS A WEEK… JUST SAYIN HOCKEY MOM WHO TAKES PRIDE IN HER LIPSTICK COLLECTION ANDF A HOLLY WAR WHICH COULD “MAYBE” INVOLVE RUSSIA… LOST ME THERE SWEETIE.
OBAMA 08′
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
I find it completely beyond comprehension how people can see anything other than the fact that Sarah Palin didn’t have any idea of what she was talking about. Especially about the Israel questions. Her answer was the same every time. No wonder she wsa kept sequestered from the press. She doesn’t have all of her answers memorized. They only prepped her on one answer about Israel. This is crazy. I am so disappointed in McCain picking a running mate like this. I truly respect him but at his age his chances of living through his term are what? One in three? I’m not willing to take that chance. She’s a nut case.
Posted by: Becky | September 12, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
Everyone who pays any attention knows what the “Bush Doctrine” is. Even my mom does, and she doesn’t have a clue when it comes to politics. This is incredibly alarming to me. She had no freakin clue.
Posted by: Dean | September 12, 2008, 1:15 am 1:15 am
BEING CONTENT WITH THIS COUNTRY IN ITS CURRENT STATE IN 2008 IS TREASON WITHIN ITSELF!… I THOUGHT THE REPUB PARTY WAS THE PATRIOTIC PARTY????
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am
Even the Left doesn’t think it is a euphemism for pre-emptive war.
“The Bush Doctrine was developed in response to the attacks of September 11th and was based on one simple premise: good vs. evil embodied as ‘us vs. them’. Anyone who supported terrorism by harboring, financing, feeding or being complicit was a terrorist. The time had come where every nation had to choose sides, either you are with us in rooting out terror or you are against us.”
“A Short History of the Bush Doctrine”
April 9, 2002
By Eric Munoz
Democratic Underground
Posted by: nate | September 12, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
THANKS BECKY…. THAT COMMENT WAS REFRESHING!
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am
She’s running for the local Chamber of Commerce, right?
NOT READY FOR PRIME TIME.
JUMPED THE BARRACUDA.
IN OVER HER HEAD.
SAY GOODNIGHT, JOHN!
Buh-bye.
Posted by: Ed from MA | September 12, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
Actually, there is a Bush Doctrine. It’s not made up. There was a Clinton Doctrine, a Reagan Doctrine, a Ford Doctrine, etc. etc. etc. I think it goes all the way back to FDR if you want to look it up.
The “Doctrine” is a pithy collection of a president’s overall positions regarding foreign policy. It’s not a new term, and certainly not one made up by the media. It’s used by pundits and politicians as shorthand for a president’s general policy stance.
Political jargon? Yes. But if you’re running for VP, it’s something you should at least be aware of. And Palin’s response definitely indicated that she wasn’t aware. Pretty bad when it’s a central tenet of your own party’s policy platform. . .
Posted by: Waaahmbulance | September 12, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
Both Obama and Biden are on the ropes. Biden is so shook up about
having to debate Sarah that he asked a crippled man to stand up at a
rally. What an imbarrassment to the nation. Biden later wanted to give up
to Hillary and let her be the veep. He is scared to death and it shows.
Obama can’t get it out of his head. Listen to
him…um…err…uh….um….err….uh…um…..err…..uh……um
……err……uh…..um……um……uh…..er….. This is how a chosen one
speaks??? I’m sure it will clear after he parts the water and heals the
earth.
Posted by: Anonymous | September 12, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am
Will someone please inform the president that he has a singular doctrine? I don’t think he knows. Charlie will tell him what it is. Of course, if Charlie had listened to NPR the last few years, he would have learned that the intelligentsia now uses the term to cover everything they hate about Bush’s foreign policies. Sorry, Charlie. You have to give up your liberal card.
Posted by: Seriously | September 12, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
Thank u Charlie and million of Americans i believe will do the same Mccan playing with my life and millions of Americans. This might be a nice lady with a nice family but i already had to deal with the bush politcs for 8 years.She don’t get it.Eight is Enough
Posted by: Gustavo Acosta | September 12, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am
It was pretty obvious Palin wasn’t clear about what the Bush Doctrine is
but does Charlie? Most foreign policy wonks agree with a preemptive strike where there’s imminent threat but the biggest criticism of the Bush Doctrine is that it’s preventive rather then preemptive. I don’t think McCain has even given a clear answer on the Bush Doctrine to date. While she may not exactly know what the Doctrine was in this circumstance what was clear is that she’s quick and sharp. You can guarantee she probably knows it better then anyone within the next couple days and probably will even know (if she doesn’t know already) about the Carter Doctrine. Obama has minimal experience in foreign policy since he squandered the one opportunity he’s had to get it in the US Senate because he decided to run for President. What Obama does have, in fact his primary experience for President, is almost two years of campaigning for President and answering question after question on issues like the one’s presented to Palin today. His campaigning for President has actually made him more Presidential because he certainly didn’t into it with much behind him. Actually, on the Bush Doctrine question people should be happy she stuck to preemptive rather the Bush’s preventive strikes.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
To My Fellow Republicans Voters. I AM A FEMALE, and I approve of the following comments! Thank you Charlie for exposing Sarah Palin’s inexperience. She has absolutely no knowledge or experience to lead this great nation, this great county, the United States of America. She did not know what the Bush policy is! She stated that “she can see Russia”! Because one can see Russia, does not qualify her to be VP. GIVE ME A BREAK!!! She was squirming. She was repeating some of Senator’s Obama’s proposals, not what the republicans and John McCain are speaking. She was confused. John McCain and Sarah Palin will drive this country in the ground. They are not in agreement. How can two work together if, they can not agree with each other??? I did not understand where she stood on Israel, the economy, the war, global warming and/or the environment. She side stepped back and forth. Absolutely no straight answer was provided for the American voters.
Posted by: Janis | September 12, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
I never knew that Bush had a specific doctrine either. I think the Obamabots just made the doctrine up.
Posted by: chattyway | September 12, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
hey John, patricia & Okiemom…how are we self-righteous liberal blowhards supposed to get our cute & clever little jabs in if you’re taking up all the space with your mini-novels?
Posted by: TJ | September 12, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
I love how everyone on here is acting like they knew what specific Bush Doctrine Gibson was even talking about.
And yet for all your brilliance, you, like me, are sitting here on abcnews.com reloading a website — far away from anything that really makes a difference.
Geniuses.
Posted by: Chris | September 12, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
McCain has not only helped in destroying the country but this woman’s once promising career. I’m so disgusted that I am leaving the Republican party for good. McCain and his handlers have destroyed the party to profit off of war and the wall st./banking ponzi schemes while the taxpayers who are laid off or downsized get to foot the bill. I am sick of the GOP. And beyond disgusted with the assistance in which the democrats gave Bush in acquiescing in EVERY SINGLE THING Bush wanted to destroy our military, our economy, our constitution, and our respect in the eyes of the world. Bush, Cheney, Pelosi, Reid, are ALL responsible. And McCain and Obama want to continue to lead this train wreck. McCain into Iran. Obama back into Afghanistan/Pakistan AND Iran. While we bailout the criminals on Wall St. by privatizing and protecting their profits and socalizing there losses on us the taxpayers. And this is supposed to be a “free market” AND a republic. Forget it. China is our banker, all we produce is debt, while we consume cheap goods and services while destroying the middle class and weakening our job market and national security with lawbreaking non-citizens. Who at best drag down our economy, and at worst bankrupt our social services/health care system while not even bothering to assimulate themselves to learn enough to speak the language or even become lawful citizens. We are on the same path that brought down Russia and is bringing Europe and Ireland to it’s knees economically. And our representatives do… NOTHING!!! Why don’t you floks vot them out while you still have taht luxury. Or better yet RUN against them. At least YOU care about your well being and that of your communities. Cause god knows these fools don’t give a rats about your or your children’s future. (With a 9 TRILLION dollar debt!) Folks, it’s time to wake up. While there is still a country left to save.
Posted by: argh! | September 12, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
YES ABC THANK YOU MR. GIBSON.
EXACTLY LIKE HOW WE ALL THOUGHT PALIN WOULD DO. YES PALIN NEEDS, TO BE, AGAIN NEEDS TO BE, EXPOSED, I THINK THINGS ARE JUST TOO IMPORTANT TO SHUT UP THIS TIME. OH WOW TO HAVE HER AS PRESIDENT?
TELL ME THE JOKE IS ON THE REPUBLICANS OR WHO EVER, SUPPORTS PALIN AND MCCAIN.
HE IS CRAZY WITH DESIRE TO NOT SEE WHAT WILL HAPPEN, ESPECIALLY WITH PALIN BY MCCAINS SIDE.
THANK YOU TO ABC FOR DOING YOUR JOB AND IN REALITY PROTECTING ALL PEOPLE OF THE PLANET. MAYBE SOME ANIMALS TOO NOW THAT I THINK ABOUT IT.
JUST AS WE ALL THOUGHT. PLEASE DO NOT LET THIS GOP PULL THE WOOL OVER OUR EYES AGAIN. EVER. I AM SO DISGUSSTED BY THE JOKE TO THIS WENCH OF A PERSON, PALIN I MEAN. FORGET RESPECT.
I WILL TELL THEM IF NO ONE ELSE WILL.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME ABC
SHIMA COODY-POSEY
Posted by: Shima Coody | September 12, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
I thought Sarah Palin did great with ALL those tough questions that Charlie should had asked of Barrack Obama! Geez, give the VP the hard line questions, would you. Barrack hasn’t answered any of these questions. By the way, did you see Obama’s little act tonight. He never answered the questions directly. Palin did answer her questions directly. She’s has more grit than Obama. She wasn’t about to bash President Bush. She told him the same thing Bush believes in. She answered the questions truthfully. She will protect the constitution more so than Barrack. He’s on the TOP of the ticket but they are running against her. Too funny. Charlie was like an angry professor who was not about to accept his student into the group. Why do men always treat women so badly when they know the woman is smart. He look so bitter while he was trying to trick her. He just made the country more divided. He was not acting professional. He took part of her wording out when she remarked about we can be successful at war when you stay with God’s plan and not to be on God’s side. He twisted that. They just do so hate the importance of God because if God is accepted, then comes morality and they cannot have that or there would be no special groups or victims for the liberals to parade out and use for their power. She did great standing up to this rude interviewer. I don’t know why people think he’s so great. He’s so out of touch and bias. Many of us could see him trying to belittle her because she’s a conservative woman. The liberal media is causing so much hatred throughout the country. Free press, you want, but not the press to use it’s power as a platform to set policies for the country. Palin, did great. Charlie, very disappointed in seeing your rude side and bias.
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
The problem for Palin is that if you take the GPS unit away and she gets one block off of the route – it starts to get entertaining.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Even my sister, who’s taking AP US History in high school, knows what the Bush doctrine is. It’s expected of someone who’s running for the Second Highest Office in the Land to know what the Bush doctrine is, and not have a reporter hand-feed the definition.
She basically danced around all the questions, because she doesn’t have a political ideology in international relations. She’s basically recycling McCain’s own lines.
Charlie Gibson should’ve asked Palin “Do you know what exactly your son will be fighting for in Iraq?” That would’ve stumped her completely, lest she says some irrelevant line about “protecting America.”
Posted by: Aung Kyaw | September 12, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
She basically said, Charlie I don’t know squat about international matters, I am from a state with oil and that is going to be my calling. If McCain bites the big one, we are in a world of hurt. Please don’t elect that fool.
Posted by: MikeMike | September 12, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Old Charlie just exposed himself as a idiot lefty…..It’s not like Palin is an attorney taught how to lie (like Obama/Biden) or is a Washington Insider (like Obama/Biden) that lies for living–she did good. She gave good answers that only made it very clear that she was intelligent, but not a spin doctor….I identify with her and have lost all respect for Old Charlies stupid game. I predict his very low rating already will be going lower.
Posted by: chattyway | September 12, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Waah Actually there was no Clinton Doctrine. Clinton chose to go with experience vs. doctrine and felt that deeds mattered more then words and despite pressure to have one rebuffed it. The conservatives felt this showed weakness and indecision on his part and George W felt CLinton not developing a foreign policy framework helped squander US influence. Bush towards the end of his Presidency has even been moving more away from his own doctrine in a manner more similar to Clinton’s approach in that it’s more multilateral and tailoring solutions to specific challenges. This no doubt has to do with the fact that his doctrine worked out oh so well.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Nate,
I have been a Republican all of my life. My parents would roll over in their graves if they even thought I was thinking about voting for a Democrat. I was in love with the thought a Republican woman was chosen as VP nominee. I started having doubts when she was never allowed to give a TV interview. All the speculations going on would have been answered with an interview and possibly stopped all of it. All I heard from the McCain side was how the media were cutting her down. Now, I see why. She has no clue. She has inkling about any foreign policy whatsoever. It’s apparent in her interview. Watch her lips. She was even mad at times. I suppose it was because she didn’t know the answer because nobody had told her what to do if the question was asked differently and more indepth. I hate to say it but Obama has just gotten my vote. I am so disheartened by her. They better do a major cram before the VP debates. Otherwise, she is going to get creamed.
Posted by: Becky | September 12, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
WHAT DO RIGHT WINGERS STAND FOR EXACTLY… FOX NEWS IS THE BEST THING THAT HAPPENED TO YOU GUYS… A WHOLE NETWORK DEDICATED TO GIVING THOSE IGNORANT FOLKS A TALKING POINT TO REPEAT OVER AND OVER UNTILL THEIR HEADS FINALLY EXPLODE FROM MISSINFORMATION OVERLOAD… OH BOY! I CANT WAIT FOR THE DEBATES… THIS IS GONNA BE HILLARIOUS!
OBAMABOT APROVED! LOL
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
OBAMA IS NOT READY TO BE PRESIDENT.
– signed: JOE BIDEN, HILLARY CLINTON, JIMMY CARTER.
Plain, simple, TRUTH, a message you can go to the bank with.
thank you everyone, and good night!
LOL!
Posted by: decentAmerican | September 12, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Obama..57 states! Really smart.
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Wow!!! palin does not even know what pre-emptive strike means. I understand why she has changed school six times in colleges. She has a lot to explain us. We don’t think, she is one of us.
Posted by: Max | September 12, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
IDIOT LEFTY?????
WOOOOOW! IF HE IS AN IDIOT…. THEN PALIN IS AN IIIIIIIIDDDDDDIIIIIIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT X 9 TO THE 16TH POWER.
AAAWWW MAN! I HOPE OBAMA GETS IN!
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
Palin is a joke…she sounded like a dumb drunk blond girl that would say non the least “do” what it takes to get out of a speeding ticket. The way she didn’t answer any of the questions directly. The way she tried to look so intelligent covering up for her speech she gave in church and saying she was repeating Abraham Lincoln. That is almost an insult and didn’t make any sense. She is full of crap and you can tell she can’t come up with anything on her own to be intelligent. Palin needs it written for her to address it just like bush. The moment they forget a line, they stutter for words. In a war where countries are involved, you can’t use nuclear weapons and risk ANY countries lives, then say “oh, we were just aiming at the terrorists”. That’s where she couldn’t answer the question about crossing the lines. “DuH!!”
Posted by: pk | September 12, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
Palin is a joke…she sounded like a dumb drunk blond girl that would say non the least “do” what it takes to get out of a speeding ticket. The way she didn’t answer any of the questions directly. The way she tried to look so intelligent covering up for her speech she gave in church and saying she was repeating Abraham Lincoln. That is almost an insult and didn’t make any sense. She is full of crap and you can tell she can’t come up with anything on her own to be intelligent. Palin needs it written for her to address it just like bush. The moment they forget a line, they stutter for words. In a war where countries are involved, you can’t use nuclear weapons and risk ANY countries lives, then say “oh, we were just aiming at the terrorists”. That’s where she couldn’t answer the question about crossing the lines. “DuH!!”
Posted by: pk | September 12, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am
@ patricia
Obama’s change means…
-Universal health care.
-Not just acknowledge that global warming exists but take action to reduce it through alternative energy sources, hybrid cars, etc.
-Create green collar jobs.
-Invest in our infrastructure, also creating jobs.
-End the war in Iraq. Focus on Afghanistan.
-Restore our position on the world stage.
-Truly invest in education so we can compete with China. Increase teacher pay, merit pay.
-Will separate out the social security fund so those funds are not used to balance the federal budget, as is currently the case.
-Restore sanity to Wall Street by bringing back oversight.
-Tax cuts for all, except for those making over $603,403 a year.
-End tax benefits to companies who ship jobs overseas.
-End the corporate tax loopholes.
-Shut down Guantanamo Bay.
-Finally pass a bill to create equal pay for equal work.
-Raise the minimum wage, indexing it to the inflation rate.
-Diplomacy vs. saber-rattling.
-Secure loose nuclear materials.
-End the practice of lobbyists writing our laws.
-And on those awful earmarks, disclose the name of legislators who ask for earmarks and require a written justification within 72 hours before they will be approved by the Senate.
-end subsidies to oil and gas companies who have had record profits.
-windfall profits tax on oil companies with a $1000 energy rebate to taxpayers. Which is the same thing Palin has done in Alaska. Alaskans normally get a yearly check for $2000 but this year it will be $3200 because of the windfall profits tax she imposed on oil companies in her state.
I could go on but you can go to Obama’s web site. It’s all there. McCain’s web site doesn’t even address the issue of social security.
Posted by: cincyr | September 12, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am
so she isn’t familiar with the Bush doctrine, isn’t that the idea? Bringing in somebody fresh, outside, and not tainted by the Washington’s politic? I thought we don’t want another 4 years of Bush.
Posted by: Tom | September 12, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am
This is unreal, now the liberals who claim Bush lied and is a fraud claim they are experts on his national security policy LOLOLOLOL! They hate the repubs unless they can use them for their own gain! Too funny.
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am
I wish he would ask Barack Obama the same questions because I know he would have known the answers. She didn’t and doesn’t. Does anybody use their real names on here? I have. Let’s be honest here. How does anybody know that one person isn’t putting the pro-Palin comments on here? Surely not that many people could be so stupid. We all saw the same thing.
Posted by: Becky | September 12, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am
Sarah Palin demonstrated thru the interview that she is nowhere near being ready to be VP!
She is so dumb! She didn’t even know the doctrine of the other dummy, GWB. How can she lead? She has been a governor for less than 2 years with a State that has a total of a little over 600,000 people!
She was voted in with 113,000 votes! How in the hell can you be a leader? Barack Obama has dealt with more people in one City (Chicago over 5 million) than this woman has with her entire State!
Posted by: Wayne | September 12, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
She got stuck on ‘repeat’ a few times… the record skipped on several occasions… she didn’t stop talking in the middle of a sentence… perhaps she should’ve. She nervously rambled, spouting gems about ‘the Iraq’ and ‘King Putin.’ She’s in it to win it, folks. Have your cyanide pills ready.
Posted by: Ailin' Palin | September 12, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am
MikeMike Obama has 300 foreign policy advisors so I think McCain can round up a couple hundred for her. Also, most of Obama’s actual experience around foreign policy has come from answering questions continually on foreign policy on the campaign trail. Just recently Obama screwed up and didn’t seem to even know the Russian’s had veto power in the UN when Obama recommended such in the Georgia/Russia situation. This was her first interview what was his excuse?
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
Wow, Palin is toast now. No more interviews will be allowed, and then the debate moderators will eat her alive at the debate, given her lack of knowledge about everything- Biden can just sit back and watch. It’s over for her. No one will take her seriously now. It’s a low moment for women. Hillary was the polar opposite of Palin. Hillary has knowledge and handles herself well.
Posted by: Jennifer | September 12, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
I have no idea what the Bush Docterine is but then again I am not running to become the VP.
Posted by: Terri | September 12, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
Barry, in his 57 states mind, has he checked the murders in his own city of Chicago. This guy is not ready for CIC. He needs to go help in his own community.
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
The interesting thing about this particular election is that under other circumstances, with a sitting president at the head of your party, not know the answer you would justt say “OF COURSE!!!”
But because it had to do with Bush all she could see was an unexploded bomb.
And Gibson wasn’t giving her any hints.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
GOOD JOB GOV Palin – As a FORMER DEM -
McCain/Palin will get my VOTE – and
MILLIONS of Americans feel the same way.
The real question – is obama qualified to lead our country – Think NOT!
Posted by: Molly | September 12, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
Palin was smart enough to avoid the trap. If she says she supports the doctrine, she’s implicitly advocating war with Iran, North Korea, perhaps Syria, even Russia if you want to stretch the point…It opens a can of worms that is better left for McCain to answer. On the other hand if she out and out renounces the Bush doctrine, she breaks with McCain on the war in Iraq – which she supports. So, she has to answer the question in light of how the McCain administration will act, not looking in the rear view mirror as to how Bush has acted. She knows what the Bush doctrine is…everybody knows what the Bush doctrine is. And, everyone knows she supports the war in Iraq. The real question we want to know the answer to is will a McCain/Palin administration continue this doctrine? I think she answered from her perspective – before sustaining another attack, she (and, presumably McCain) would go on offense, if the evidence suggested imminent danger otherwise.
Posted by: Mike | September 12, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
BECKY… I WAS THINKING THE SAME THING…. IT MUST BE THE PROFFESSIONALSNOW-BOLIE THAT MARRIED HER! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (OUCH I THINK I JUST BUSTED MY KIDNEY)
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
Wayne Omigod- someone should tell Obama that Biden is not qualified because the State of Delaware, of which he represents, has only about 200,000 more people living there then Alaska.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
why are people comparing Hussein to Sarah. She doesn’t run for president. He is.
Posted by: TN | September 12, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
There were many qualified women that could have been chosen republican VP. Anybody but Palin. Big, big mistake for McCain.
Posted by: Jill | September 12, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
My the obama gang just cannot seem to give credit where it is due!!! Can obama answer these questions on foreign policy?????? Let’s ask Joe Biden – or Hillary – they both told us – he is NOT ready to lead – and we believe them!
Posted by: Jack | September 12, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am
Remember last spring when Obama said that, as president, he’d order military strikes in Pakistan if he had actionable intel on Al-Kida? McCain (and Hillary) jumped all over him with accusations of naivety and inexperience. Now we’ve started doing just what he suggested. The tribal areas of Pakistan are outside of their goverment’s control and Obama was right to say NO SANCTUARY for the real attackers of 9/11.
Posted by: Ron Jones | September 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
Christie… shhhh. You aren’t making sense. Go to sleep.
Posted by: Sandman for Palin | September 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
It’s funny, now the truth is coming out.
Men like Sarah the Pig. Think of this women, would you trust the pig around your husband? She is liar and can’t be trusted. Would you like this pig in the White House? Wake Up America! Love your country and don’t vote for the pig. If something happen to Mcshame (he’s old, the pig will take over. It is scary!
Posted by: goldieluck | September 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
MOLLY….MILLIONS OF AMERICANS ARE STILL BITTER OVER HILLARY. THOUGH THEY WILL COME TO THEIR SENSES ON THAT TUESDAY IN NOVEMBER…. THANK YOU MY FELLOW AMERICAS. GOOD NIGHT!
OBAMA 08′
Posted by: TIMEIS NOW24 | September 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
Give me a break! So, even if the Bush Doctrine is some sort of nebulous multi-faceted concept, Charlie broke it down for her and asked her a specific question about “anticipatory self-defense”. If she had any real grasp of Bush’s policies, and the controversy that particular policy had attracted, she could have answered THAT question with ease.
And sorry, but somebody who is essentially applying for Bush’s job, on a platform of CHANGE… ought to know what in the heck the guy’s policies are, and what the ramifications of said policies are, don’t you think?
This is beyond belief. She made an absolute FOOL of herself, and she doesn’t even know it. What a snarky clueless wench. I am already sick of looking at her and listening to her. Can you imagine 4 years of this insanity??
Posted by: lindsay | September 12, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
The doesn’t matter whether Palin was for or against the Bush doctrine but she clearly had no idea what Charlie Gibson was talking about. She simply didn’t know about the policy that got us into the war with Iraq in the first place! And that was shocking. Absolutely shocking!
Matt Damon was right: “It’s like a bad Disney movie!”
Posted by: Marcel F. Williams | September 12, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
Maybe if Putin gets to ask the questions he will be much better than Charlie Gibson. Wake up suckers, no one is going to be nice to you on the international stage simply because you are a mother of 5 with a lipstick problem. WWIII for Georgia, is this woman sick.
Posted by: MikeMike | September 12, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
Obama will not win. A war hero vs a community organizer. Palin is not an appeasor. Biden is. McCain’s points will only move out further. People are tired of Barry getting a pass. I quess he would cry if he got tough questions. The lady can handle them, but how about Barry? Oh, sorry, The one.
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
Terri It shouldn’t take 300 foreign policy advisors to figure out the Bush Doctrine. Why does Obama need 300 foreign policy advisors? Does he think that makes him look good?
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
Yeehaaaaw! Praise the Lord, ole Sarah’s gonna exorcise the demons! Tell you what, Ten Commandments is all the Constitution I need. Burn the heathens!
Posted by: Hilary Smith | September 12, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
Palin, CHARLIE, is a con artist, CHARLIE, and a dumb ass, CHARLIE, just like, CHARLIE, George, CHARLIE, and McCain, CHARLIE. It’s a common technique for con artists who don’t really know what they are talking about to try to endear and distract their questioner by repeating the questioner’s name. Ask any good detective.
Posted by: bob10001 | September 12, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
Hmmm. Yes. I see. She’s an idiot. Good luck with the rest of your political career. Maybe Sarah Palin will finally triumph in firing that librarian. Ban books – yes. Read the most sweeping US foreign policy strategy that has mired the nation in an illegal war, turned the world against us and resulted in the greatest rape of the treasury in US history – no.
Nice job, Sarah. You imbecile.
Posted by: The Bomb Has Dropped | September 12, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
Anyone know what the Obama doctrine is? Obambots?
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am
Alsaka is #1 in the country!!!
… in domestic abuse!
… in rapes!
… in earmarks!
… in moose hunting!
I assume I’m right about the moose hunting. The other three are fact, per capita.
Palin for elected office!!
Posted by: Moosehunters for Changeish | September 12, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
Alsaka is #1 in the country!!!
… in domestic abuse!
… in rapes!
… in earmarks!
… in moose hunting!
I assume I’m right about the moose hunting. The other three are fact, per capita.
Palin for elected office!!
Posted by: Moosehunters for Changeish | September 12, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
I say put her in there in the number # spot. On the job training is something we have used in the country for years. She can do no worse than Bush. He has screwed up every single thing in this country.
Posted by: MikeMike | September 12, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
Why don’t all of you put parties aside and think about the facts. The Republicans have ruled the white house for eight years, the congress for six, the senate for five. What has happened? We are bailing out Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, we have the largest deficit we have ever had, unemployment is exploding, gas is ridiculous, health care is killing all of us (which means we don’t get treated when we should be because we can’t afford it) and we are in an Iraq war which is never ending. John McCain himself stated on September 11, 2001:
Shortly after the 9/11 attacks begin, Senator John McCain (R) is at his Senate office and reportedly tells his aides, “This is war.” Within hours, McCain begins frequently appearing on television to discuss responding to the attacks. The New York Times will later say that McCain becomes “the leading advocate of taking the American retaliation against al-Qaeda far beyond Afghanistan. In a marathon of television and radio appearances, Mr. McCain recited a short list of other countries said to support terrorism, invariably including Iraq, Iran and Syria.” For instance, on the morning of September 12, he says on ABC News, “There is a system out there or network, and that network is going to have to be attacked.” He adds on MSNBC, “It isn’t just Afghanistan.” In a CNN interview some days later, he says, “Very obviously Iraq is the first country.”
Then in January of 2002:
Senator John McCain (R), speaking before US troops on the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt in the Arabian Sea, shouts out, “Next stop, Baghdad!”
I’m starting to see McCain as McBush.
Posted by: Becky | September 12, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am
CHRISTIE? ARE YOU EATING THOSE WILD MUSHROOMS AGAIN?…GO TO HANNITY’S SOCIAL NETWORKING SITE AND FIND A RIGHT-WING MAN WHO KNOWS WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT.
Posted by: REPUBURPING | September 12, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am
If I supported a candidate, that said there were 57 states, I would be so embarrassed. This is his base and followers. And he would be in charge of National Security. Too funny!
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
Mike dear, maybe somebody already told you this, but Sarah DID NOT KNOW what the Bush Doctrine is. She just plain did not know.
She said, when pressed, something about Bush’s World View… which I am sure is ALSO a brand new concept for her.
Well, I think we can safely say that not too many people will be talking about lipstick tomorrow. Slapstick maybe, but NOT lipstick.
Posted by: lindsay | September 12, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
I wish Palin had won Miss Alaska. Now she will have revenge on all of us…and the Russians, too.
Posted by: mj it | September 12, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
Moosehunters for Changeish
What’s the Obama doctrine? Please give me last years murder stats in Obama’s didtrict in Chicago, the rapes, robbery, gun crimes.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
This self-described moose hunting rambo persona reminded me tonoght of the famous Miss Teen South Carolina.
You know, such-as the Iraq, shall we say…
Give her a map, such-as, to help her get back to the Alaska!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: pizzaiolo | September 12, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
I know the stories tomorrow will be that Palin doesn’t know what the “Bush Doctrine” is, but the truth is, Charlie Gibson is the one who doesn’t know what it is, and that is was caused all the confusion.
The Bush Doctrine is a term that encompasses a broad spectrum of Bush policies and principles related to the war on terror. While preemptive war is one of these principles, and perhaps the most controversial, there are many others. One of those is the policy to treat a state which harbors terrorists as a terrorist itself.
Posted by: Mike | September 12, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
Obama doesn’t have a doctrine. That’s why he’s a Democrat. We leave doctrine to the NeoCons who lead us into a “war of (oil) liberation” in Iraq.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am
lindsay Well too bad Charlie didn’t get the Bush Doctrine right. Charlie said it was preemptive in the case of
imminent threat and very few would disagree with that framework but the problem or controversy with the Bush Doctrine is that it’s preventive not preemptive. So if Charlie couldn’t answer his own question right then I don’t think I’ll fault her.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am
lindsay
What is Obama doctrine?
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am
I dont care about bush doctrine o she dont no the answer but she is si sexy this is all i care today about VP
Posted by: Hus | September 12, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
You guys are missing the point. It took Silly Sarah six years to get 3 years of college education. Now you want to put her up against the likes of people from Yale and Harvard. That is stupid. She is a nice person, but she needs to go to night school for about 6 more years. you can’t blame her for not knowing this stuff, she has less education that most of the viewers. You don ‘t get a job like this with 3 or 4 years of college, that is crazy. Americans like dumb leaders, so they can relate to them. wake up, we need smart leaders. Bush always laugh about being dumb, but it is not joke. Look what that clown has done to the country.
Posted by: MikeMike | September 12, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
A community organizer: was that while he was around people saying God d— America. Oh, yea, that’s so wonderful of him.
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
Leanord The doctrine that specifically says we will protect our US interests
(oil) in the Persian Gulf by force if necessary which is the doctrine that
US Central Command (which Petreaus is from) evolved out of is the Carter Doctrine. A democrat not a republican.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 1:53 am 1:53 am
Shouldn’t a candidate who claims that she is going to Washington to reform government and get the country back on track know what policies have been instituted in order to address them properly? We have flown blind under Dumbya for 8 years, we really don’t need another four.
Posted by: Up In Smoke | September 12, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am
Mike Do we really need anymore lawyers in Washington? What happened to change and new politics? This comes from lawyers?
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
I am 28. 6-7 years ago I was in graduate school in the sciences. Here’s a wholehearted attempt to remember what I know of the Bush Doctrine. I must have been 22 when I first heard about the Bush Doctrine, and it was first talked about in the context of: aha, bush finally has a cohesive doctrine he can speak about, after spending months pretty much taking a vacation. It was first formulated to concretize his reasons for afganistan. But in the lead up to the Iraq war, so around 2003? It started being talked about in earnest because contrary to what Palin described, he was going beyond Pre-emptive strikes. that was what was different and memorable about the doctrine, and what got the rest of the world roiling, and what makes it funny that we’re all about chastizing Russia for invading Georgia. Bush argued it was okay to invade without reason, to prevent the unsubstantiated possibility that something may or may not happen in the future that may or may not impact us. That’s what sank the U.S.’s moral standing in the world, and that’s why when you say Bush Doctrine, if you’re a Republican, maybe you blanked it out in horror. However, if i can remember this and i’m a science researcher, why can’t someone who’s been prepping for the last 2 weeks on foreign policy not know this? Its not that she’s dumb, of course she’s not, she almost got Charlie to answer the question for her. She even has okay moral standards, as she’s obviously not a supporter of the Bush Doctrine, in the way that she formulated that we should respond to imminent threats. She’s just not plugged in. Which is fine for governorship in Alaska, I’ve heard her speak about oil and she seems incredibly fluent and knowledgeable, and would make a phenomenal energy adviser or czar for McCain, but definitely not someone expected to be taken seriously on the international stage, even seriously as a VP, much less a president.
Posted by: Al Debaran | September 12, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am
We’ve had a disastrous 8 year run with stupidity in charge, with religion over science, with mediocracy over elite talent leading us. Lets let the smart guy give it a try, not the old guy who even in his youth, graduated at the bottom of his class.
Obama 08
Posted by: rjinsd | September 12, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am
Leonard Peltier
Why don’t you give me a complete outline of the Obama doctrine?
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
MikeMike:
And factor in that John McLame was 5th from the bottom of a class of 800 at Annapolis. So he’s not the brightest bulb in the house, and if combined with Sarah Pale-in, well, for survival of our country and the world, it just might be…LIGHTS OUT.
Posted by: pizzaiolo | September 12, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Shame on you, Charlie Gibson. You were the sexist and mean, asking those questions. Where were the softballs that Biden gets, like ‘What’s the biggest trout you’ve ever seen in person?’ and ‘Who are you wearing?’
Shame on you, Charlie Gibson. Sarah is one of us… not some map of France.
Posted by: McCain/Palin '08 | September 12, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
I think Sarah Palin’s IQ is higher than Charlie Gibson’s.
She was perfectly correct when she asked Gibson, “what aspect of it?” when referring to the Bush Doctrine.
According to Wikipedia:
The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan.[1] Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.[2][3][4] Some of these policies were codified in a National Security Council text entitled the National Security Strategy of the United States published on September 20, 2002.[5]
Sarah shined again tonight. She gave nuanced answers to tough questions, and didn’t make any mistakes.
Posted by: John | September 12, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
This lady scared the heck out of me. War again? We’re not even done with one? No stupid surge is working, we’re not stupid. We’re military family and we don’t see any surge is working. That’s it! If this McCain and mooseburger become elected, I’m moving to Europe and spend our U.S. military retirement there instead of here. I’d rather give my money somewhere else than the government here if republicans get elected.
Posted by: gmom | September 12, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Bush’s Doctrine? Honestly how many people really know what it is? Also, its kind of funny she didnt know. Perfect point to make when people say they will be a Bush 3rd term. This Rep ticket will be nothing like Bush. People who say they are like Bush are just trying to find something negative to say. There will be a new doctrine come January and it will be a McCain Doctrine. Its over Obama
Posted by: tim | September 12, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
Al Debaran
Will Obama let the Russians do as they will one nation at a time? Perhaps you can give me a complete outline of Obama’s doctrine with appropriate references.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am
what is not unclear is that she doesn’t know what it is? How hell can she answer it? Why even follow up with it? iIt should be made clear that she hasn’t a clue and is not qualified for the position she seeks.
Posted by: Thinking | September 12, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am
Christie i agree but stil better than Mc
Posted by: hus | September 12, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am
Did anyone really believe her explanation of her “Gods War”, comment as a reference to something Lincoln said? Sounded a bit coached to me.
Posted by: Doug | September 12, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
New Doctrine:
The Football will henceforth be called:
“The Briefcase O’ Rapture”
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
The bottom line. The leftists seem to hate God. They seem to hate the goodness of America. They hate because George Bush won both elections and now they want to win so bad they will approve of a potato head with ears sitting behind the presidency as an expert leader. .
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am
Doug
President Kennedy said the exact same words, as did Washington, Eisenhower, Truman, and Jefferson. Do you condemn all those presidents like Palin?
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
Funny, that was the Clinton doctrine before it became the Bush doctrine!!! Did not Bill attack Sudan and the Taliban??? Oh, I know you say it was not the same thing; it was the Democratic doctrine to divert attention to the normal news of corruption of another democrat, not to defend to country. Let’s just hit some factory in the Sudan and no one will pay attention… How quickly the people forget…
Posted by: wrightg7009 | September 12, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
OMG, Charlie,How dare you treat out Queen in such a rude way? You will be damned to the hell for this sin.—-
Excuse me, She is not our Queen, she is an applicant for the VP job. And We, american voters are the boss who will decided whom to choose. As usual, before hiring anybody, we have every right to ask her qualification.
If you want to just praise her, make a seperate kingdom in Alaska and go there. Make her queen, then you can just chant her name in endless illusion.
Posted by: zen | September 12, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
Marcel Maybe we should all have Matt Damon explain the Bush Doctrine to us or if he’s not available maybe we can get Scarlett Johannsen to do it. But then again Matt might be too busy trying to figure out how to get money to put gas in his car, to put food on his table, to pay his mortgage, to buy school supplies for his kids and so on.
P.Diddy might know the Carter Doctrine though since the energy crisis is a huge issue with him right now because it’s costing $250,000 to fuel up his place to get from one coast to the other. He wants everyone to get on this energy crisis deal because those gas prices are impacting his lifestyle because he’s missing parties on both coasts. Damon sounded like a bigger idiot then Palin but he did sound slightly, only slightly, smarter then Affleck. There must be a reason all these rich folk are gravitating towards Obama because they sure aren’t dealing with the issues everyday people are in the economy.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
Okay, here’s my questions to the Republicans…
1]If she wasn’t sure what “Bush Doctrine” Gibson was talking about why didn’t she just ask for clarification. Something like, “There are several policies that could be described as the Bush Doctrine. Are you talking about the ‘National Security Strategy of the United States’?” would have been more than appropriate.
Instead it looks like she tried giving an answer to a question she didn’t fully understand.
Wouldn’t you want the next VP or possible president to ask for clarifications on questions being asked by foreign diplomats BEFORE giving an answer???
2]How can Republican supporters claim that Gibson’s questions were biased or too hard when Gibson was the reporter that McCain’s group hand-picked to interview her out of all the other media members they could have picked????
Really, it’s like complaining that the person giving you an exam is biased against you when you’re the one who’s had plenty of time and to hand-pick and research, the teacher that’s giving the exam.
Posted by: Steve | September 12, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
Hey Shima Coody,
Obama has been asked these questions. And the questions Obama doesn’t answer directly are usually questions that involve more that a YES or No answer and must be looked at from a broader perspective.
Ex: Rick Warren Forum. When asked should we confront evil. Both Obama and McCain said we should, but Obama added that we shouldn’t commit evil in the process. He thinks about both sides of the issue— So I can forgive him when his answers become lenghty and the average American (confused) dismisses his insight for avoiding issues.
The problem Palin had was that she had to say the right answers without dismantling the base McCain worked so hard to capture.
He sacrificed his maverick hat to appeal to the GOP who still doesn’t like him—as many are more thrilled about Palin being president. McCain is still ALIVE!
Palin isn’t just some McCain Camp supporter, she is a potential president of the greatest country there is.
She knew good and well what the ‘Bush Doctrine’ was. She didn’t want to step on the toes of the republican party though. Oh, Palin is doing just what they want HER to do… and no more than that.
If you haven’t notice, the Republican party is back at its core—BUSH.
They ran away from him (Bush) when this election started (as they should have), but now they are running back to his ideas under the umbrella of change (left overs).
People have obviously forgotten what change means– I know we’ve heard 19 months of it, but come on you guys the last 8 years were a mess— We DID NOT have to go to war (and waste money…or be in debt to China…or watch the dollar’s worth decline).
I think that some– many Republicans secretly believe that Bush wasn’t all that bad. Thus, Palin CAN’T truly debunk Bush–the GOP needs him.
Bottom line, her questions were not hard—its just that the Repubs have to work extra hard to make the WRONG answers sound right.
McCane&Plain ’00-’08
Posted by: Darrell | September 12, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am
Well said, Okiemom.
I’d like to point out that in one news cycle, Palin has suggested:
1. “Perhaps” we could go to war with Russia.— THIS IS STUPID! What’s next? Will she put Russia in the ‘AXIS of EVIL’?
2. 9/11 was linked to Iraq (Not in this interview – in a speech to her son and other soldiers in Alaska). EVEN BUSH ADMITS NO LINK!
3. She has no idea what the Bush Doctrine is. CLEARLY NEEDED OF A PUBLIC SERVANT ELECTED TO NATIONAL OFFICE – be it Congress, VP or President!
Based on these three facts, the media fully deserves our criticism for failing us AGAIN! If you are going to claim to be an analytical, investigative news organization, you cannot ignore the utter failure of Palin here. Remember that steady drumbeat of the news media that was regurgitating whatever it was told by “The Decider” before the Iraq War? Now, we see regurgitating in order to appear “Unbiased to the right or left”. But let me tell you, a risky VP selection is a risky VP selection; a doe in the headlights is a doe in the hear lights; and utter lack of knowledge is utter lack of knowledge.
Call it like it is.
This “He said / She said” reporting is reporting does a disservice to anyone seeking news. Leave gossip and light entertainment to their appropriate venues.
Dear media, we need to hear about foreign policy, jobs, health care, economics, infrastructure, energy plans and education -
And we all need to agree that Palin scored about 15/100 – and that those points were purely for ability to BS and parrot the simple phrases taught her by a team of top advisers from the McCain team.
This is insane!
Best and brightest? Not by a long shot.
I definitely believed her when she said “I haven’t thought about Iraq much…” this summer.
Posted by: laura | September 12, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am
HARLEYDAVIDSON:
I have it on the highest authority, that what we would do to stop the Russians from doing whatever they want, is to stand on the highest iceberg in Alaska, and yell as loud as possible that “we’re mad as hell, and we’re not going to take it”.
We are so fortunate to be able to actually see Russia from that iceberg on a clear day! That makes for the greatest defense anyone in the great GOP could possibly imagine! Thank Sarah’s god.
Posted by: pizzaiolo | September 12, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
Harley Obama supports both Georgia and Ukraine’s entrance into NATO so his answer (while it may have been more articulate ) would have been not much different then Palins (other then it wouldv’e taken about 15 minutes more for him to answer) because what she said was accurate.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
I don’t like labels.. I don’t know what the Bush Doctrine is .. and far far senior to Palin.
She may have understood the actual content and format– but some people don’t like or take in labels.
People: understand that.
Posted by: Jeaves | September 12, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
Mike, maybe Charlie wasn’t being clear. But anybody with a lick of sense about Bush’s policies would have been able to take a cue and say SOMETHING about the Doctrine.
Sarah didn’t even know about the concept of anticipatory self-defense. Charlie narrowed the question down for her and she was STILL clueless. She had NO freaking idea what he was talking about even when he got specific.
Posted by: lindsay | September 12, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
Well, I just checked other discussions. Politico and TalkLeft call it a Palin victory. By the way, there is no such thing as a Bush doctrine. Gibson defined it as “preemptive attack” while an AP story defined it as “establishing democracies”. Another document I found on the Web has a third definition yet: “American primacy” In short: there ain’t no such animal and Palin did not let Gibson fake her out with a bogus concept.
Posted by: raanefea | September 12, 2008, 2:08 am 2:08 am
i would like to know how many of you even knew bush had a doctrine and what is in it{answer none} you have your head to far up your ass.Here,s a better question for you how come your pres.elect was,nt even born in the u.s.a thought you had to be born in the country to be pres {if you dont believe it check it out yourselves} or does that only apply for rep.
and for obama running partner could you be any dumber he asked another senator or governor to stand up and meet the people when he has been in a wheel chair for most of his life
Posted by: peter | September 12, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
Christie,
Bush WAS elected TWO times by the stupid amoung us! That’s why we’re upset that they might do it again!
Posted by: rjinsd | September 12, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
Can you explain why no one talk about helthcare lik healthcarein europe.Why are americans buying same storry from politicians all the time.You get sick you in trouble for rest of your life.Watch SICKO find the truth
Posted by: hus | September 12, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
Heya HarleyDavidson…
You’re obviously deflecting. Asking about an Obama doctrine, and questioning statistics without actually offering anything yourself. I don’t recall Obama rewriting the constitution, and then coming up with a bogus ‘Statement’ in order to shove it, as well as our rights, down our throats. Just because you’re reading things on this board that you don’t understand and can’t contribute to, doesn’t mean you should try to make a point. That would take a grasp of the issues that, frankly, you’re not showing.
Posted by: Moosehunters for Changeish | September 12, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
Ticket of the Major Pary of USA ….
A Senile Grandpa & a Birdbrain Beauty
What a joke to the world.
Posted by: zen | September 12, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
Christie,
I don’t presume to know what other people do or do not believe regarding their faith. According to our Constitution and the Bill of Rights it’s actually irrelevant to the discussion.
“Mr. Potatohead” as you call him know the Constitution well enough to teach it at the Univ. of Chicago. I’m guessing that is less true of either of your candidates.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
Palin sounded like she was repeating talking points and continued to stick with the same answers without answering some of the questions at all. Are we really sure she is ready to be Vice President let alone President someday? Good for you Charlie for asking these tough questions.
Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008, 2:10 am 2:10 am
Cool.. she didn’t know that term.. that means a fresh start.
No Bush memory is fine by all.
Posted by: heass | September 12, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
Hey Shima Cody– sorry my comment was directed at Cristie.
Posted by: darrell | September 12, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
pizzaiolo
Sounds like a plan. I think you aught to pass this onto to Obama. See, Leonard, you all do have a plan.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
Maybe Professor William Ayers can instruct Obama how to handle the Middle East crisis. You OBama supporters are insane if you think we are going to allow Obama near the oval office knowing of his radical ties. He will be crushed in November. McCain’s has a good veep. Clinton had that goofus idiot ALgore and you call Sarah all this stuff.
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
Cool.. she didn’t know that term.. that means a fresh start.
No Bush memory is fine by all.
——————-
I disagree. Those who forget history are doomed to repeat it.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 2:12 am 2:12 am
Yeah! this is so funny, should I say this woman is a sickooo without a clue. Who in there right mind want another war? Oh we know, McWar & McLipstick. The Repub’s don’t have a clue, and if you stupid people don’t wake up, we will be in another war with no job and social security, and living under that bridge to nowhere!
Posted by: Karen | September 12, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
Moosehunters for Changeish
Pizzaiolo has a plan. This may well be the new Obama plan if not his new doctrine.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am
laura You obviously don’t understand anything about NATO. Her answers were entirely accurate. NATO is a collective defense organization and it requires all members to come to the assistance
of any other member that is threatened.
If you have a problem with her answer about could Georgia and Ukraine’s being in NATO lead to war in the case they were threatened or attacked then you need to email the Obama campaign and let them know you don’t support his support of both Ukraine and Georgia entering into NATO because could that lead to war with Russia “perhaps so”.
You also fail to mention the follow-up to that question where she talks about how the situation with Georgia should not lead to a new cold war or war itself because there are sanctions which can be used.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
Al Gore was asked about Thomas Jefferson. Algore couldn’t even point Thomas Jefferson out. Idiot ….
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am
As a former Alaskan, there are parts of the state where on a clear day, you can see land that is Russian! So to answer someone’s question, can Alaska see over to Russia – absolutely!!!
What I don’t get is the remark she made about God’s will. Sarah made that comment in the house of God. She did not make it to the common public or non-believers, she made it to her peers of the church. Again, the media trying to boil things over…
Posted by: Candace | September 12, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am
Hmmm. Not one line from the Koolaid drinkers on Obama not knowing that Russia had veto power on the UN Security Council. Russia is 80%-20% Obama per the World Opinion Poll. He was also wrong on Georgia, wrong on Iraq, and thinks knowing when life begins is above his paygrade. In your haste to jump on Palin, you have faioled to notice your emporer has no clothes. How about some hard questioning of Obama? Sarah has some time to learn – she isn’t running for president. They said the same stuff about Reagan and look how he did.
It is simply ignorance on the part of Obamatons.
Posted by: John | September 12, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
Karen You’re the stupid one here.
Her answer was correct about what our committment to Ukraine and Georgia would be if they were to enter NATO and if you don’t like it then you should think again about Obama since he supports both Ukraine and Georgia entering NATO himself. If they go into NATO and are attacked or threatened is it possible we would have to get involved militarily- you bet. So before you tell everyone else hear they’re stupid then you should do your own homework .
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
Charlie Gibson acted like a thug instead of a reporter. Palin stood her ground and didn’t take the bait. As a Puma Pac member and ex-Democrat, I will happily cast my vote for McCain/Palin.
Who in the heck gave the MSM the right to throw this election for Cupcake? It is the American public that is doing their work. Where are the 30 investigators in Chicago looking into Rezko, Ayers, ACORN, Emil Jones Jr., and the caucus fraud?
Charlie Gibson go back to your pod!
Posted by: yoga82 | September 12, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
alpaig52
I’m actually ashamed of you. You asked those fine democrats to read more than one sentence. I’m sure Obama will have a new government for that sort of policy.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:17 am 2:17 am
Harley,
I never said we didn’t have a plan, I said we didn’t have a doctrine.
A plan is something you change when there is the weight of evidence that it has gone seriously wrong.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
Jeaves:
Thanks so much for your wisdom regarding Palin’s aversion to labels.
It’s like when she and you extreme right wing neocon evangelical nut jobs attempt to evoke silence with inflammatory words like “liberal”. To you, I say, G-F-Y!!
Posted by: pizzaiolo | September 12, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
GOD TALKS TO PALIN ?????!!!!!!
Posted by: noor | September 12, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
Wow. Just wow. The grinding vacuousness of the rabid Palin haters is truly astounding. I wonder who ties their shoes… Whether you can fathom the nuance or not, Palin’s answer regarding the Bush Doctrine was dead on. Gibson is the one who does not understand that the NSS 2002 (aka Bush Doctrine) covers eight different broad areas of national security and international relations. He may as well have asked her if she supports Webster’s Dictionary. Oh, and ABC edited out Gibson’s lie about “exact words” in their West coast feed. Gibson’s performance was poor. But the worst by far was Olbermann’s interview of Obama. I felt sorry for Obama. Olby was making him uncomfortable with his drooling, fawning sycophancy. That was the most embarrassing spectacle I’ve ever seen.
Posted by: Dr. Dean | September 12, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am
Umm, I knew about the Doctrine, in a broad sense. I knew EXACTLY what Charlie was talking about when he asked about anticipatory self-defense.
It means if we anticipate that somebody hates us and wants to do us harm, we can take our armed forces, cross over their borders and bomb the crap out of them. (Normally, you would want to have concrete proof that the country in question is really out to get you, but in Bush’s case he just made stuff up.)
Thats how Bush justified the war in Iraq. In case you guys didn’t know, it was a rather big controversy for awhile. Remember? It still is…. DUH.
Charlie wanted to know if Sarah agreed with Bush on that issue. It was pretty basic. And she was freaking clueless.
In fact, she STILL thinks that Iraq was behind the 911 attacks. She said so today. Talk about a DUMB BROAD.
Jeez Louise.
Posted by: lindsay | September 12, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am
>>>>Christie,
Bush WAS elected TWO times by the stupid amoung us! That’s why we’re upset that they might do it again!<<<<
Hi, the smart people outwitted the elites, 2 times. Get your meds refilled. Come back and see me on election night. I will be here.
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
sure palin packs some punch. she handled the interview pretty well. expect some toughy VP in jan 09. go maccain/palin go.
Posted by: pat | September 12, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
And while you are at it. how about Joe Biden, who doesn’t even know that the Vice Presidential nominee is supposed to believe he is the best person for the job. Hillary is out (for now), but I doubt they knows any more. After all, she changed her mind on IRaq about 8 ties – every time there was a different poll.
Posted by: John | September 12, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
I know we’re suppose to walk on egg shells around Sarah Palin.
After all she does eat moose burgers an all.
That being said – Sarah Palin is a joke – and a cynical insult toward the American people.
Posted by: PulSamsara | September 12, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
Pat, you spelled McCain wrong. Did you and Sarah go the same school?
Posted by: lindsay | September 12, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am
Leonard Peltier
What I really meant, u-u-m-m, a-a-h-h, u-u-m-m, a-a-h-h, sorry my teleprompter is screwed. It’s a microsoft using a vista system. Bad doctrine.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am
Dr. Dean,
Then why didn’t she elaborate when she asked “what aspect of it?”.
Wouldn’t that have been the perfect
opportunity to demonstrate her mastery of international policy by outlining the main elements?
Instead she got fidgety, a bit nervous and waited for Gibson to throw here a bone.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am
The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan.[1] Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way
Well, by this defination MOST OF THE US PRESIDENTS THROUGHOUT HISTORY HAVE BEEN USING AND SUPPORTED THE BUSH DOCTRINE. HEY CHARLIE, WHAT A STUPID QUESTION.
Posted by: chattyway | September 12, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
The “Bush Doctrine” is President Bush’s interpretation of both the War Powers Resolution of 1973 and the right given him by the constitution. The War Powers Resolution of 1973 permits presidents to send troops to war but it says they must be withdrawn in 60 days if Congress doesn’t authorize the war. Our Constitution states that, while the commander in chief has the power to conduct wars, only Congress has the power to declare war. The loophole used by every president since Trumen is that we have “conflicts” and not “wars”. No congress has ever forced the issue about the 60 days provision. While Palin might not be knowledgeable that the modern term for the Iraq rationale is the “Bush Doctrine”, it was certainly painstakingly explained by Gibson to her. Did she not know the principle behind the Iraq and Afghan troop movements? I know she was too young in 1973 to understand what Vietnam was all about and the War Powers Resolution that came out of it but, really, shouldn’t the VP nominee be conversant on WHY we have troops fighting overseas? If Charlie Gibson failed to make her understand what the rationale is behind the wars, imagine her issuing orders to the military and advising congress.
Posted by: Michael Hall | September 12, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
Harley,
Well I had to put up with “nukular” for eight years so now it’s your turn.
Posted by: Leonard Peltier | September 12, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
Oh, this just gets scarier and scarier. This woman is barely qualified to to shine McCain’s shoes. What in the heck was he thinking? I don’t want a ‘gimmick’, as Peggy Noonan said, to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. I am also profoundly troubled that she didn’t for a single moment question her qualifications for the VP job before she took it. That bespeaks an arrogance and a lack of depth that I find very frightening.
Posted by: zorba | September 12, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am
lindsay
That is only ONE single part of so called Bush Doctrine. So, it appears you have no idea, that is until the talking heads told you this part. The talking heads did not mention other parts.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
What’s wrong with talking to God? Moses did pretty well by Israel doing that. Lincoln who is consistently voted our best president did that regularly and received strength to change our nation. People who know God enjoy talking to him. I’m sure God will give her better advice than Rumsfeld gave to Bush. I know from all the vitriol poured out on this woman that she needs God to stay sane.
Posted by: John | September 12, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp
Posted by: cary | September 12, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am
Here is a link from Andy Martin about Obama’s true ties to Ayers….
Andy Martin exposes Barack Obama’s lies about William Ayers
(NEW YORK, NY)(September 9, 2008) Nailing down the relationship between “mad bomber” William Ayers and Barack Obama has been the greatest challenge of the 2008 presidential campaign.
The second biggest challenge of 2008 has been deciphering and understanding Barack Obama’s campaign structure. His campaign is unlike any other presidential campaign in U. S. history. Obama’s operation is authoritarian, disciplined and centralized in Chicago. Obama’s reliance on a nationwide network of local “offices” and mailing lists points inexorably to a political latticework straight out of William Ayers’ revolutionary playbook.
The bottom line: After an exhaustive investigation ContrarianCommentary.com can confirm that Barack Obama appears to be William Ayers’ “front” for a national, ongoing Maoist-style revolutionary campaign structure which will endure past November 4th.
Ironically, as we searched for the Ayers-Obama relationship in the present, it was staring us in the face: Obama’s campaign is structured precisely the way Ayers would want. That is why Obama has created “Camp Obamas” across the United States to indoctrinate workers, and adopted other similar Fidel Castro/Hugo Chavez tactics.
The puzzle pieces are finally starting to fall into place. Last week we asked why would Black Panther party revolutionary Khalid Al-Mansour start soliciting money for Obama’s legal education? The answer: Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn, were close associates of the Black Panther Party and even unleashed a terrorist attack on a New York judge who heard a Panther case.
In the 1980’s, the Ayers/Dohrn revolutionary terror network was still working through individuals such as Al-Mansour, who had sufficiently laundered his radical past to assume respectability as a front for a Saudi Prince. The same way Ayers laundered his own past to become a professor of “education” at Illinois’ taxpayer-subsidized university.
Ayers and Al-Mansour appear to have been in contact. Ayers vouched for Obama to Al-Mansour, who then began a law school fund-raising campaign among prominent African-Americans.
Obama’s law degree thus appears to have been financed through the encouragement of persons who had been violent revolutionaries and remain unrepentant to this day, the same unconventional way the purchase of Obama’s Chicago mansion was party financed by an Iraqi billionaire.
Why did Obama get hired as a “summer associate” in 1989 at the law firm which had hired Ayers’ wife, and where Ayers’ father was a prominent friend of the managing partner at Sidley & Austin? The answer is obvious. Ayers was grooming Obama as his future “front.”
Where did Obama get his first and only legal job after Harvard? At a law firm where Tony Rezko was a prominent client and where name partner Judson Miner was a law school classmate of Bernadine Dohrn-Ayers. Yes, the pieces are starting to come together.
Was Obama telling ABC the truth when he said met the Ayers’ at a coffee klatch at the Ayers home in 1995? Ayers had already been working with Obama for seven years; Ayers had appointed Obama to head a $50 million foundation. Did Ayers appoint a stranger? Or a front man? The answer is obvious.
Obama has relentlessly tried to conceal the Ayers/Obama time line, and the ongoing connections between the men. When bits and pieces of the Ayers/Obama relationship have popped up this year, Obama has sought to debunk and deflate each isolated piece of information. No one was able to grasp the big picture.
Until today, no one had actually connected all of the dots. ContrarianCommentary.com is the first to do so.
Posted by: yoga82 | September 12, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
I am more scared about Biden being a heartbeat away from the Presidency. He voted against the civilized world on the first Gulf War when Kuwait was invaded. He voted against the surge which proved successful. And he can’t keep his mouth shut. He would spill his guts to the Russians and the Chinese and everyone else, probably telling them that there are more qualified people for his position. What a Joke. Rent the 1939 Movie “Mr. Smith goes to Washington” with Jimmy Stewart to see how messy entrenched interests like Mr. Biden, pawn of the credit card industry, truly are.
Posted by: John | September 12, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am
Obama has spoken eloquently in regards to the issue of religious intolerance
and all of our candidates have been asked about and made reference to their personal faith. I personally have no issue with one’s faith , regardless of whether they grew up in a Pentacostal Church or sat in the pews of Pastor Wright’s church for 20 years, as long as it doesn’t dictate their policy. I have no reason to believe it would with Obama and there is nothing to indicate to date when looking at Palin’s record as Governor that it would her either.
There were no books banned, she is pro-contraception and she never advocated that just creationism be taught in the schools. I am amazed at the total offense the left is taking around Palin’s supposed whacked out views when Obama went to a church where Pastor Wright stood on a podium at a press club speech and told us that HIV was a genocidal plot on the government’s part and that blacks learn from one side of their brain and whites learn from the other and schools are racist because they don’t accomodate that fact, or the facts as Wright sees them. You can feel comfortable with the fact that those people who died in 9/11 deserved such because of the misdeeds of this Country and GDAmerica and yet get all freaked out because someone mentions God being on their side or watching over them as they leave for Iraq. Now I personally don’t like either, but to feel comfortable with one and yet be appalled at the other is just hypocritical. Did Obama say those things himself? No. But Obama supporters supported Wright and his teachings and defended him as it’s a
“cultural thing” (I guess they don’t have culture in Alaska) and I sat there watching the CNN idiots fawning all over Wright while he gave that speech.
The only thing worse then the far right is the far left because they are one in the same.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am
Exactly, Leonard. If she had any REAL grasp of the issues he was talking about, she would have taken the ball and run with it, she would have asked HIM questions.
She was rehearsing lines that her handlers have been helping her memorize for two weeks. She kept saying the same things over and over…
This woman has no critical thinking skills whatsoever.
Posted by: lindsay | September 12, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Leonard Peltier
Gotta love Bush speak. Nor sure I’d want to hunt with Chaney, however.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am
Maybe if we destroy the entire world they’ll finally understand that we’ve actually been right all along. Clearly, we know what’s best. Why don’t they understand? Why does the world hate America so much?
Posted by: Hilary Smith | September 12, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am
Michael Many Presidents have a doctrine. It’s the framework for their foreign policy. Clinton opted to not have his own doctrine and was criticized by the conservatives for such. Reagan’s doctrine was we would assist with anti-communist insurgencies worldwide. Truman’s was we would support free people’s against communist usurpers. Carter had one which is still worked off of and is certainly in play in regards to Iraq and that is to protect US interests (oil) in the Persian Gulf by force if necessary.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am
Any nutjob can post whatever they want on Wikapedia. My children’s teachers caution against using it as a reference. Rove probably updated the section on the “Bush Doctrine”…don’t trust it
Posted by: JB | September 12, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am
all you people{democrats} that are blaming bush for everything from the hurrican in louisana to the economy in the u.s.a you better look in the mirror who is in the house and senate that,s right the democrat,s these are the people who said when they take over things will change and they did for the Worst/ oh wait one of them did obama he wrote 2 books about how great he is
Posted by: peter | September 12, 2008, 2:38 am 2:38 am
Sarah Palin was correct to respond to Charlie “In what respect?” when he asked if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Apparently this doctrine has evolved over time as noted in Wikipedia. Charlie’s version of the Bush doctrine is “that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us.” However, Barack Obama’s version doesn’t agree with Charlie Gibson or Wikipedia as illustrated by this snippet from a story posted by ABC on July 26, 2007 after the Hillary-Obama debate.
In a conference call with reporters, Obama said Clinton would continue the “Bush doctrine” of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States. He went on to suggest that being “trapped by a lot of received wisdom” led members of Congress — including Clinton — to authorize the war in Iraq.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-clinton-w.html
So, according to Charlie and Wikipedia, Obama doesn’t know what the Bush doctrine is.
Posted by: Karen | September 12, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am
Hilary Smith
The British hate the French, the French hate the British. British and French hate the Germans, poles hate the Russians, Muslims hate everyone somewhat equally, with special emphasis on the United States and Israel. Sweden hates Norway, and the Baltic State hate Russia. China hates and loves everything west. And on and on and on. Oh, well, just another normal day on Earth.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am
For those of you “there is no bush doctrine folks,” it IS a common term in the foreign policy debate that she should have been familiar with. It is definitely not just his “world view”!!! It’s obvious that she’s frighteningly IGNORANT of foreign policy. And I’m not talking about “experience,” I’m talking about knowledge. She doesn’t have it. President Palin would be a disaster.
Posted by: Bush Doctrine | September 12, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am
I love the way the right-wing scream machine is now saying there is no such thing as “The Bush Doctrine.”
Google it, and watch the hits line up on right-wing web sites from 2002 forward.
Somewhere in hell, Dr. Paul Joseph Goebbels is in envy of the Republican capacity for baldfaced lying.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am
BECKY DOESN’T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND THAT the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the drop in housing prices occurred SINCE the Dems took Congress. Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reisd have half the approval rating Bush does. Clinton was a flop and massive tax hiker until the revolution of 1994 put the GOP in the White House and made him change his policies. The Dems want to credit Clinton for their hard work and not they want the Presidency too after they screwed up Congress – they went on a vacation instead of hammering out an energy Bill. Boosting Obama was more important to them than the interests of our country, just like Obama’s self promotion is more important to him than the country. McCain and Palin have a servants attitude, not an imperial attitude.
Posted by: John | September 12, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am
AuthenticSkeptic
What is Obama’s doctrine?
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am
To Patricia (“I doubt many people knew what he was saying when he asked about the Bush Doctrine!”):
Actually I understood that he was asking if she believed in pre-emptive war. It’s been a topic of much discussion since Bush began rattling his sabre at Iraq.
Perhaps most people wouldn’t know what the term meant, but since when is the standard for President or VP so low that we’re supposed to grade candidates on a curve?
Most people aren’t qualified to run the country and have their finger on the button: nine times in fourtythree administrations the VP has had to step into the Presidency –this shouldn’t be treated like a consolation prize at a beauty pageant.
The lesson of the last eight years is that COMPETENCY MATTERS!
Most people don’t know how to perform heart surgery –are you going to let your neighbor perform your bypass?
Finally, you are allowed to be ignorant and still vote, but the result would be a lot less random if you educated yourself and voted from reason instead of emotion.
Posted by: Joe C from Austin | September 12, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am
How can we be so critical of Palin not knowing the Bush Doctrine when Charlie didn’t even get it right. The controversy around the Bush Doctrine has always been that it is not preemptive (as Charlie said and Palin supported) but rather preventive. Most everyone supports preemptive (and remember there was no imminent threat from Hussein against this Country) rather it’s Bush’s preventive Bush Doctrine that people debate.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am
McCain & Palin have a self-serving attitude.
As for imperial, doesn’t the runner up in Miss Alaska get a tiara?
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am
McCain/Palin ticket is a joke.
Even Ms Teen from South Carolina would know that you can see part of Russia from Alaska looking at the map.
I’m sorry to say Republicans did it again. Just shut up and admit to it that you guys made bad judgements to everything and anything including a chose for VP. That’s scary dude!!
OBAMA-BIDEN FROM CALIFORNIA
Posted by: gmom | September 12, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am
Joe C from Austin
Perhaps YOU could outline Obama’s doctrine with source references.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am
Harley-
Candidates don’t get to have a “doctrine,” only presidents do. Monroe, Truman, et al.
Need to brush up on the civics? Or were you just having a Scaracuda moment?
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am
For those of you “there is no bush doctrine folks,” it IS a common term in the foreign policy debate that she should have been familiar with. It is definitely not just his “world view”!!! It’s obvious that she’s frighteningly IGNORANT of foreign policy. And I’m not talking about “experience,” I’m talking about knowledge. She doesn’t have it. President Palin would be a disaster.
Posted by: Bush Doctrine | September 12, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am
Given that Obama didn’t even know that there were 50 not 57 states, I don’t think he knew you could see Russia from Alaska.
Posted by: chattyway | September 12, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am
After all of the petty gossip we’ve seen on Palin over the last 2 weeks, why is it NOW that the media, or at least this author, is giving her a break? She screwed up, looked like an idiot and deserves the harsh criticism now more than ever!
Posted by: A once republican turned Obama voter after this embarassing event by Palin | September 12, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am
AuthenticSkeptic
Are you saying Obama has no doctrine? Doctrine is also foreign trade, treaties, world bank, World bank policies, environment, Nato, and on and on and on.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am
at least palin is not as dumb as obama she knows how many states there are 50 not 57 like obama thinks there are yea thats the president i want NOT he should go back to school my 1st grader even knew that
Posted by: peter | September 12, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am
In the 11th hour, suddenly you people you know what the Bush Doctrine is? Listen up you idiots! Sarah Palin is the breath of fresh air this country needs!!!
Posted by: Bill | September 12, 2008, 2:52 am 2:52 am
Facts!!! Get your facts straight before opening your mouth and erasing all doubt about your IQ being smaller than your shoe size.
Gov Palin came in second in the Miss Alaska contest, not first as you said. It was on several shows including the special Fox News ran on her last Saturday.
Pitiful. It scares me that you probably are registered to vote and most likely will vote with facts like that is what helped bring Hitler to power. All it takes is an uniformed electorate such as you.
Posted by: Boris Badinoff | September 12, 2008, 2:52 am 2:52 am
Goodnight to all of the Obama supporters who live in all 57 states .. :o)
Posted by: Christie | September 12, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am
This woman is obviously a lightweight and does not belong on a presidential ticket.
Posted by: sam in va | September 12, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am
Oh, Harley. Those may be policies, but they’re not “Doctrine,” at least not in the foreign relations sense, which was the question posed to Scaracuda.
I trust that you have the intelligence to find the Obama campaign’s web site, if you’re really interested in knowing his positions, and that you can read.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am
Being a community organizer is just not enough to command our forces against the terrorists. Biden, who worked behind the scenes with France, Germany, Russia and other nations delaying our forces from going into battle while President Bush was trying to convince the leftists elected officials we needed to go in. What a disgrace and this old liberal appeaser like Kerry, wants 2nd seat. Thanks, but no thanks.
Posted by: Dave in Va | September 12, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am
AuthenticSkeptic
1. A principle or body of principles presented for acceptance or belief, as by a religious, political, scientific, or philosophic group; dogma.
2. A rule or principle of law, especially when established by precedent.
3. A statement of official government policy, especially in foreign affairs and military strategy.
4. Archaic Something taught; a teaching.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am
Bill-
Anyone who has watched the train wreck known as the Bush Administration over these last eight years knows of the “Bush Doctrine.”
As for Sarah, you’re confusing moose flatulence with fresh air.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 2:58 am 2:58 am
Is it me, or was Palin inappropriately sarcastic when responding to Gibson’s Bush Doctrine question? Too bad the typed words of “In what regards, charlie?” look so innocent on a computer screen, but sound so rude in actuality. Did anyone else see her ya-son-of-a-b twitchy look once she realized she had no clue what he was saying?
Posted by: Embarassed republican | September 12, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am
Dave in VA,
You mean all those countries who didn’t believe Bush’s lies about WMD? You remember the WMD, don’t you? The ones Bush said were 45 minutes away from NYC?
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am
gmom After the Russia/Georgia crisis Obama responded by saying that we will use the UN and yet seemed to not know that Russia has veto power and he looked like an idiot. Should we disqualify him for that? 57 States we can give him a pass on due to fatigue but not knowing Russia has veto power and yet offering that up as an action to be taken? This is what happens though when you’re on vacation and asked a question and you don’t have access to your 300 foreign policy advisors. If he had been President at the time he would have looked like an idiot. And bad judgement? Even Biden said the other day that Obama should perhaps have put Clinton on the ticket.
And who’s Biden working for? Going around and talking about how if McCain needed him for any reason he’d be there in a second and talking about McCain dancing on a table in Greece with Biden’s wife while drinking ouzo. Of course Biden was the same guy who said he would be honored to run on a ticket with McCain in 2005. No, the bad judgement call here was Obama not putting on his ticket a candidate who came with 18 million voters and who was overwhelmingly kicking his behind with those blue collar/rural voters that love Palin. Had Clinton been put on there would be no Palin. Obama made a political decision and brought Biden on to compensate for his own lack of foreign policy experience and to attract those blue collar/rural voters that he needs to win the Presidency.
McCain made a political decision also
to bring a new, fresh, up and coming politician within the GOP (basically Obama’s counterpart) with limited experience who will represent the future and change (as did Obama until he put a 30 yr veteran on his ticket).
Put Palin out on the campaign trail for 18 months like Obama has been (which is
where most all of his Presidential experience comes from) and have her answer the same questions foreign policy questions over and over again and you’ll have another Obama.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 3:01 am 3:01 am
Harley-
Context, my boy. Go back and study your US history again. You may learn something. Monroe Doctrine, Truman Doctrine, Bush Doctrine.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:02 am 3:02 am
E.R., not sure if it was sarcasm as much as being completely dumbfounded. (Internal dialogue: “Oh crap! What is that? They didn’t prep me on this one)
Posted by: sam in va | September 12, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am
Are you seriously still bringing up the community organizer bit? That was soooo 2 days ago. You need to catch up… unless you’re running out of Ammo Mr. Doctrine.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic's Skeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:04 am 3:04 am
The thing Palin is lacking is a self sense of being “Presidential”. No, Palin, you didn’t need to ask Gibson to clarify “in what sense” of “Bush Doctrine” you’re asked, You should command him to “Define ‘Bush Doctrine’”.
Posted by: xz | September 12, 2008, 3:04 am 3:04 am
I’m not a global diplomat or student of world politics but come on – even I know what the phrase “Bush Doctrine” referred to. It’s like Palin’s been living in Alaska for the past 8 years (oh wait… she has).
Posted by: James Morehead | September 12, 2008, 3:05 am 3:05 am
Are you seriously still bringing up the community organizer bit? That was soooo 2 days ago. You need to catch up… unless you’re running out of Ammo Mr. Doctrine.
Posted by: Dave in VA-- Sorry Skeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:06 am 3:06 am
AuthenticSkeptic
Context. Exactly! In what context? That’s all she asked.
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 3:06 am 3:06 am
A.S.S.-
You must be overdue for your medication, as I never mentioned anything about community organizing.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:07 am 3:07 am
IMPEACH Mc CAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sher knows NOTHING!!!!understands NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Avembe | September 12, 2008, 3:09 am 3:09 am
Harley-
ANYONE who doesn’t blink about being asked to be the second in command of the world’s most powerful nation had best know the context of her OWN party’s sitting president’s WELL PUBLICIZED doctrine of preemptive war.
Maybe she should have used a lifeline?
Next, we’ll be hearing she’ll only be interviewed by Regis…
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:10 am 3:10 am
Did she actually pronounce “nuclear” “nukular”?
Posted by: sam in va | September 12, 2008, 3:11 am 3:11 am
alpaig52
You didn’t have to type all those words for me because what you said and whatever you are going to say it does not help. get over about 57 states if that is ALL you got. go to bed because you don’t have a place here neither your candidates. When she went back to Alaska I hope she stays there and take care of her troopergate which now republicans trying to interfere.
GOBAMA
Posted by: gmom | September 12, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am
I thought the Bush doctrine question was inappropriately stupid and meant only as a gotcha question. Palin handled it well and asked Gibson to further elaborate…then Gibson got inappropriately upset.
Posted by: chattyway | September 12, 2008, 3:14 am 3:14 am
AuthenticSkeptic
Take it away Obama.
From ‘Dreams of My Father’,
“I CEASED TO ADVERTISE MY MOTHER’S RACE AT THE AGE OF 12 OR 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites”
From Dreams of My Father, ” I FOUND A SOLACE IN NURSING A PERVASIVE SENSE OF GRIEVANCE AND ANIMOSITY AGAINST MY MOTHER’S RACE”.
From ‘Dreams of my Father’, “The emotion between the races could never be pure….. the THE OTHER RACE (WHITE) WOULD ALWAYS REMAIN JUST THAT: MENACING, ALIEN AND APART”
From Dreams Of My Father, “never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. IT WAS INTO MY FATHER’S IMAGE , THE BLACK MAN, THE SON OF AFRICA, THAT I’D PACKED ALL THE ATTRIBUTES I SOUGHT IN MYSELF.
From Dreams Of My Father:
“THAT HATE HADN’T GONE AWAY,” he wrote, BLAMING WHITE PEOPLE,- SOME CRUEL, SOME IGNORANT, sometimes a single face, sometimes just a faceless image of a system claiming power over our lives.”
Posted by: HarleyDavidson | September 12, 2008, 3:14 am 3:14 am
In respones to: Did she actually pronounce “nuclear” “nukular”?
I think Homer Simpson said it best…. “It’s pronounced New-Q-ler”
But then again… what do us hakey mams know other thaaaaan putting ahn lipstick.
Posted by: New-Q-Ler | September 12, 2008, 3:17 am 3:17 am
Gmom, how is a question about foreign policy during an interview focusing around foreign policy inappropriate?
Posted by: Once Republican Turned Obama | September 12, 2008, 3:19 am 3:19 am
Harley, you just quoted a young man, abandoned by his father, trying to find a sense of identity and reconcile his mixed feelings about being biracial. This is something you will never understand if you have not been through it. I suppose this is supposed to be proof Obama hates white people?
Posted by: sam in va | September 12, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am
Does of you Obama supporters know what “Chinese Doctrine” is?
Posted by: xz | September 12, 2008, 3:21 am 3:21 am
Why would ABC set the same interview with Obama? Let’s see what his answers.
Posted by: shen | September 12, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am
Harley-
As a white person who vividly remembers the “Whites Only” restrooms and drinking fountains of Jackson, MS, I can’t say I’d blame a black kid for feeling that way in the 60s and 70s.
Nothing, of course, says that the grown Obama still feels that way. Until you can prove otherwise, better skip your right-wing talking points. You’re just making someone else’s heartfelt honesty illustrate your own ignorance.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am
“Chinese Doctrine” says be proactive. The best defence is to attack! Palin need to and will learn this in her next interview!
Posted by: xz | September 12, 2008, 3:23 am 3:23 am
I hope everyone who was so excited about Sarah Palin’s pick as McCain’s VP choice places the blame of her humiliation squarely where it belongs: on McCain for choosing an obviously unqualified candidate as his choice, and on Palin for stating, unequivocally at the beginning of the interview that she truly believed she was ready for the post. This is judgment? Goodbye.
Posted by: Eddie Vetter | September 12, 2008, 3:23 am 3:23 am
Actually “the Bush Doctrine” is not really recognized in a mainstream manner within the United States or internationally.
What I am saying is that it’s a “made up” term. The White House does not recognize the term.
Posted by: Candice | September 12, 2008, 3:24 am 3:24 am
xz-
Can she see China from Alaska, too? And with what ammunition do you think she will attack?
In a battle of wits, the woman is clearly defenseless.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
Candice: Quit trying to rationalize the ignorance of the woman. The Bush Doctrine is as applicable as The Monroe Doctrine, even though it is also known as “Manifest Destiny”. Your girl is an idiot. Not simply for her non-response to this answer, but because of all of her answers. Not ready. Not qualified. Not knowledgeable enough.
This GOP Moose is cooked.
Posted by: The Bomb Has Fallen | September 12, 2008, 3:27 am 3:27 am
AS(…)
Your Obama has all the wits he wants, I vote for character!
Posted by: xz | September 12, 2008, 3:27 am 3:27 am
gmom I didn’t have a problem with 57 States but rather I did with the UN and Russian veto power. What are only Obama supporters allowed to blog now? You obviously never listen to Obama since you seem to have missed him having said that the Democrats aren’t the only ones with a monopoly on good ideas. Just like you probably don’t even he supports Georgia and Ukraine entering into NATO and that would put us in a position where we have to defend them.
That’s what NATO’s about, but maybe you didn’t know that. Everyone keeps saying that Palin acted like a bully, I’d think you wouldv’e liked her then since
your MO seems to be attempted bullying rather then intelligent conversation.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 3:28 am 3:28 am
Candice-
Let me disabuse your of your delusions, from no less a faultless source than Norm Podhoretz (Rove’s boofoo buddy) on freepers:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/745073/posts
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am
xz: You must love the character of a man who chooses his potential successor for political expediency over…hmmm, what was that slogan? Country First? Yeah, right. Citizen McCain.
Posted by: Bombs Away | September 12, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am
These Presidential doctrines are nothing more then the President’s putting their framework on foreign policy on paper. Clinton didn’t have one because he said he put more emphasis on action then words.
Posted by: alpaig52 | September 12, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am
OSAMA EVEN DID NOT KNOW HOW MANY STATES OF US.
Posted by: key | September 12, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
It seems thaat Gov. Sarah Palin gets a “bye” on anything she says because she is either a woman, or, from Alaska. We all know that any man running for national office would have to know, at least, the basic definitions of “doctrine”, “policies”, and/or, “formulation”. The poor woman is clearly in over her head. Sen. McCain would have been so much better off had he chosen someone like Secy. Condoleeza Rice who knows who the foreign leaders are and where most of them stand. (However, she has already said she is not interested.)
Seeing how Palin is looking for the questioner to give her a “hint” as to the correct answers, which will be published in the press, only reveals that she is not qualified to be V.P. What would she do, God forbid, if something did happen to McCain. Come on people, wake up! Is there a color line etched so deep in our society that we have lost our perspective on picking someone to lead this country?
If so, the US is about to become the laughing stock of the world. Would we rather have a white air head as President that have a black man who is capable of thinking before acting? If so, we are losing face around the world!
Ernest 2x
Posted by: Ernest Walker | September 12, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
PALIN IS A DANGEROUS NUT!
When Sarah Palin, a first term Governor with no national security experience or expertise, talks about hypothetical nuclear war it really matters.
It reflects badly on her and her readiness. It reflects even worse on John McCain who thought that she was qualified to be Commander in Chief.
Does she want me to have to teach my kids “duck and cover” again? She is a dangerous lightweight, she really is first and foremost a “Hockey Mom.”
And McDummy is going to be TOAST for picking her, just watch “My Republican Friends.” As your bright and shinny Meteor that has been streaking across the sky flames out and come down to the ground with a THUD!!!!
Lets vote for qualified leaders, lets vote Obama/Biden ’08!!
Posted by: Davis | September 12, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
Bombs, No, I don’t necessary like the character of the man. I don’t like the character of the other man either. As of Sarah Palin, I don’t know!
Posted by: xz | September 12, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am
So because the term was once used to describe Bush’s justifications for attacking Afghanistan you Palin supporters seriously think that there were too many possible interpretations and that Gibson could have been asking her if she supported the war in Afghanistan? Seriously?
Posted by: Joe C from Austin | September 12, 2008, 3:33 am 3:33 am
az-
For which part of Saracuda’s character are you voting?
A) Her Wasilla administration charging rape victims $300-$1200 for the forensic tests to catch their assailants, until the state passed a law to ban the egregious practice?
B) Reducing by 40% Alaska’s support of Covenant House, which provides housing for unwed mothers? (karma’s a bitch, eh?)
C) Lying about her supporting the Bridge To Nowhere?
D) All of the above.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:33 am 3:33 am
HUSSEIN IS DANGEROUS TO US SECURITY. WHO NEED A MUSLIM TO DEFEND OUR COUNTRY.
Posted by: key | September 12, 2008, 3:34 am 3:34 am
Palin not ready to be Commander in Chief.
If she is not familiar with the Bush Doctrine, this means she has not been paying enough attention to national and world events in the past few years. You cannot be an effective president (if McCain has a stroke or heart attack) during a time of two wars by taking a 4 month crash course. It takes years and years to learn world history, the complicated history and politics of the Middle East, other regions of the world, and all the subtleties involved in foreign policy. If McCain ends up in the hospital, and she gets different opinions from her generals and secretary of defense or other cabinet members regarding military options — to attack or not to attack — can we really be confident that she will make an informed and wise decision? It concerns me that she could make a huge blunder.
Posted by: Wayne | September 12, 2008, 3:35 am 3:35 am
HUSSEIN IS NOT READY TO BECOME A COMMANDER IN-CHIEF. HE EVEN DO NOT HOW MANY STATES IN US.
Posted by: Kerry | September 12, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am
Oh, key/Kerry. Obama is no more a Muslim than you are an intellectual.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am
alpaig52: Actually, in the case of the Bush Doctrine it needed to be articulated for the following reason:
As drafted by attorneys at the Justice Department, the policy of “preemptive attack” needed to be defined in order to evade the constraints of International Law and prevent any possibility of recriminations against the President and his Administration for war crimes at the International Court of Justice. After all, waging a war based on meritless intelligence and killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqis is called, well, genocide. If we can drag someone like Slobodan Milosevic before the ICJ, why wouldn’t another nation bring charges against Bush and his cronies?
The point of the Bush Doctrine was to articulate the legality of doing so, before doing so. In essence, giving the world a heads up that the Geneva Convention and International Law no longer applied when the President of the United States decided to wage a war against a sovereign nation.
For Gov. Palin to fail the simplest test of familiarity with the Bush Doctrine not only highlights her sheer inadequacy as a Vice President — for how can someone claim to be prepared for the office when that person does not understand the legal “right” with which we were able to invade Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place, or the devestating economic consequences of that action, or the way in which such a policy has utterly destroyed America’s diplomatic relations, it undermines that candidates claim that she is going to Washington to reform the system. How in the world can you reform something you know nothing about?
Posted by: Sinking the GOP | September 12, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am
The nutty liberals are too dumb. Obama made the same comments as Palin did.
Posted by: Dave in Va | September 12, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am
Your girl is an idiot. Not simply for her non-response to this answer, but because of all of her answers. Not ready. Not qualified. Not knowledgeable enough.
This GOP Moose is cooked.
Posted by: The Bomb Has Fallen | Sep 12, 2008 3:27:31 AM
========================================
So true Bomb! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!
These Republican fools just watched the flame-out of their bright new Meteor tonight! Now all that is left is for that “GOP Moose” to come crashing down into the ground with a BIG THUD!!!
Posted by: Davis | September 12, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am
He slipped and said his Muslim faith..makes you wonder.
Posted by: Dave in Va | September 12, 2008, 3:43 am 3:43 am
Dave in Va-
Please cite sources that support your statement that Obama “made the same comments as Palin did.”
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:44 am 3:44 am
Dave in VA: No, actually Sen. Obama did not slip, he was saying that John McCain never attacked him for “his Muslim faith” which has been a line of attack by idiots like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly. You see? He wasn’t saying he is a Muslim, because he’s not, he was actually giving credit to McCain for not taking up that line of attack. You really should pay a little more attention to things.
Posted by: Bombs | September 12, 2008, 3:46 am 3:46 am
Palin has enough sense to know not to go have tea with that nutcase in Korea like Madeline not so bright did. Nancy, insane, 2nd in line of the presidency. Give me Palin anyday.
Posted by: Dave in Va | September 12, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
AuthenticSkeptic:
Obama’s no better please!!!!
Obama wouldn’t know honesty if it jumped up and bit him…He’s nothing more than gutter trash.
He sat in the pews of a church and heard nothing in reference to his illustrious pastor that was derogatory……He realized how STUPID that sounded so, he launched this master speech that would set the record straight.. Even had the audacity(love this word) to tell US that WE had racial issues. I like that touch! I guess he would know coming from a racially charged atmosphere for two decades. Made this bit production of Hillary’s tax information which revealed nothing we didn’t already probably know. But, have received campaign contributions far exceeding their total 8 year gross income…Oh my goodness that one is crazy.
Took questionable donations from none other Tony Rezko……But was the only living soul in Chicago that didn’t know the dynamics associated to him. Didn’t know him still even though he sold you the house and lived right next door…… I love it!
Can’t be held responsible you were oblivious of everything that was going on around you. Receiving money from unregistered lobbyist, their families, as well as other business associates….. But, because they were unregistered it was OK……. Call that a little double standard wouldn’t you say? Didn’t understand the voting process while in the Senate and oops my Senate records mysteriously disappeared.. Yeah right! EVERYBODY is looking at him like maybe we have a nut loose.
He made this great BIG issue oh my god Hillary has embellished her trip to Bosnia she is not to be trusted…But you on the other hand…..This next one is one of my personal favorites he truly should be nominated for an award……….
Your father was airlifted into America by way of the Kennedy’s in 1959. Story brought a tear to my eye of how your parents were able to meet through the kindness of the Kennedy’s…….Unfortunately your father came here in 1960 the air lift had already occurred……So that says…. It never happened!
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
Bottom Line: Sarah Palin failed. She failed and all we can say is “Thank God” she failed now, before we could have been left in the same stupid lurch we’ve been in for the last 8 years.
Posted by: Bombs | September 12, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
AuthenticSkeptic:
Obama’s no better please!!!!
Obama wouldn’t know honesty if it jumped up and bit him…He’s nothing more than gutter trash.
He sat in the pews of a church and heard nothing in reference to his illustrious pastor that was derogatory……He realized how STUPID that sounded so, he launched this master speech that would set the record straight.. Even had the audacity(love this word) to tell US that WE had racial issues. I like that touch! I guess he would know coming from a racially charged atmosphere for two decades. Made this bit production of Hillary’s tax information which revealed nothing we didn’t already probably know. But, have received campaign contributions far exceeding their total 8 year gross income…Oh my goodness that one is crazy.
Took questionable donations from none other Tony Rezko……But was the only living soul in Chicago that didn’t know the dynamics associated to him. Didn’t know him still even though he sold you the house and lived right next door…… I love it!
Can’t be held responsible you were oblivious of everything that was going on around you. Receiving money from unregistered lobbyist, their families, as well as other business associates….. But, because they were unregistered it was OK……. Call that a little double standard wouldn’t you say? Didn’t understand the voting process while in the Senate and oops my Senate records mysteriously disappeared.. Yeah right! EVERYBODY is looking at him like maybe we have a nut loose.
He made this great BIG issue oh my god Hillary has embellished her trip to Bosnia she is not to be trusted…But you on the other hand…..This next one is one of my personal favorites he truly should be nominated for an award……….
Your father was airlifted into America by way of the Kennedy’s in 1959. Story brought a tear to my eye of how your parents were able to meet through the kindness of the Kennedy’s…….Unfortunately your father came here in 1960 the air lift had already occurred……So that says…. It never happened!
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am
FACE IT REPUBLICANS!!
Your new VP candidate is first and foremost what she said she was on the first day… A HOCKEY MOM WITH LIPSTICK!!
Not qualified, Not smart enough, No experience, Dangerous!
NO WAY, NO HOW, NO McCAIN, NO PALIN!!!
Vote for smart leaders this time, vote for Obama/Biden!!
Posted by: Davis | September 12, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am
OBAMA: DIRTY POLITICIAN FROM THE START
http://tinyurl.com/2zwwte
OBAMA’S CHANGING STORY ON REZKO: Chicago Sun-Times, March 16, 2008: For the first time, Sen. Barack Obama put a figure Friday to the amount of campaign contributions that indicted political fund-raiser Tony Rezko raised for the senator’s campaigns, and the number — about $250,000 — was far more than he previously acknowledged. Obama’s estimate exceeded his campaign staff’s previous estimates of Rezko’s fund-raising during Obama’s 12 years in politics. In November 2006, Obama’s staff estimated Rezko raised $50,000 to $60,000 over the senator’s career. In the last year, Obama’s campaign fund has given charities more than $157,600 in donations it linked to Rezko, his family, friends and business associates.
So Obama is still claiming that Hillary lies and he’s against the war… or rather was that day he was looking to run for Senator, and tagged onto Jesse Jackson’s speech at an anti-war Raly. No tooo impressive if that’s still all he’s got to uphold his excellent Judgment and that he campaigned for Liebermann in Conneticuit to try and defeat the Anti-War Candidate Lammont. I’m sure Lammont is not Impressed. Obama said Lieberman was his mentor at a dinner during that trip.
Obama is full of half-truths… Well documented in the media for anyone who cares to read about him vs. take his words at face value. I started reading about him because I could see he was voting like a Hawk and when it was disclosed he claimed to be not taking money from Sepcial Interests and that was debunked.
Here’s an interesting list:
1. He joined and remained active in a church where racism and anti-American hate is routinely preached. He and his family attended, and heavily contributed for about 20 years. This has received worldwide attention, as show in the link below.
Ten Must-See Videos from The Times Online
Obama first claimed not to know about Wright’s inflammatory statements. He later admitted he did.
CBS News
Flip-Flip Video
CBS News
OOPS… didn’t notice. Or else he forgot.
Rev Wright, one of the ministers, even promoted Obama and denigrated Hillary Clinton from the pulpit spurring an IRS investigation as to the validity of their non-profit status. The Obama campaign is also reported to have campaigned on at least one occasion at church events, furthering the curiosity of the IRS.
WCBS TV
Obama Speech at General Synod of the United Church of Christ
But, OOPS… he didn’t know. Or didn’t mind.
2. Senator Obama bought stock in two companies whose investors included his 2004 campaign political donors. One, in fact, was developing medicine to treat avian flu — with the stock purchase coming right before Obama introduced legislation to increase funding to combat the virus.
The other company, SkyTerra, received government permission to build a national wireless network on the day Obama purchased his shares. Among the principal owners of this business were four people who had raised more than $150,000 for Obama. Attorney Obama claimed later that they were in a semi-blind trust, that just didn’t legally work out. When this became public, Obama sold the stock.
Chicago Sun-Times
New York Times
Oops… he didn’t know. Or didn’t he mind?
3. Senator Obama came into politics through the famously corrupt Chicago political machine, with the help of some of the slimiest characters imaginable. (Several major players who helped him are have been indicted for graft, fraud, etc. Obama now keeps a rep at Rezko’s trial every day to monitor testimony.) Obama has had to donate to charity much of the money they gave him to get his start, though the admitted dollar amount keeps increasing as time goes on. It’s now up over $250,000. Tony Rezko, currently at trial on federal charges of attempted extortion, money laundering, and fraud, was also involved in the purchase of Obama’s home at well below market value.
Huffington Post
Chicago Sun-Times
New York Times
Not so well publicized is the fact that Obama wrote letters to the Illinois Dept of Housing, recommending Rezco’s company, North Kenwood, LLC, for the housing projects that soon became slums, causing inhumane hardship for their residents.
Obama Letters
These slums, later repossessed, were in Obama’s district while he was an Illinois senator. In fact, some are about a mile from his home, and several are still boarded up. Obama professed to be unaware of any problems. During the Democratic debate on January 21, 2008, Obama, in fact, gave the impression that he had merely done about 5 hours of legal work for “this individual.”
The Rezko Foreclosed Properties
telegraph.co.uk
No Quarter
Rezko Watch
Chicago Tribune: Almost Believable
OOPS… he didn’t know. Or did he care?
4. According to the Sun-Times, Barack Obama, “allegedly decent guy and agent of change” in Washington, requested an earmark in 2006 for $1 million taxpayer dollars for the University of Chicago Hospitals, where is wife, Michelle Obama, was a vice president. Said hospital, by the way, gave Michelle Obama a huge raise (nearly $200,000, more than doubling her salary) in 2005 after Barack was elected to the United States Senate.
Michelle Obama
Chicago Sun-Times
According to The Chicago Tribune, “Obama had a special connection to Maytag: Lester Crown, one of the company’s directors and biggest investors whose family, records show, has raised tens of thousands of dollars for Obama’s campaigns since 2003.” Maytag closed its refrigerator plant in Galesburg, Ill during Obama’s 2004 Senate campaign, but Crown says Obama never raised the fate of the Galesburg plant with him. Obama’s campaign responded “that the senator did not know Crown sat on Maytag’s board until the Tribune noted it last September in a story about the closing of the Maytag headquarters in Newton, Iowa.”
Chicago Tribune
Obama Truth
Oops… he didn’t know? Or didn’t he care?
5. Obama took donations from federal lobbyists and political action committees for his House and Senate races and his own Hopefund political action committee. He only stopped taking this political money — and began speaking out against it — when he launched his presidential campaign in February 2007. However, he still takes hundreds of thousands of dollars from their high level employees.
Politifact
The Hill
Politifact
Oops… he didn’t know? Or doesn’t mind?
6. Opponents have asked Senator Obama to release the records from his term of state office in Illinois. Since he has little other experience in politics (he did, after all, declare his presidential candidacy barely 2 years after election to the US Senate), this doesn’t seem an unreasonable request. The records might also shed light on his relationship with Rezko and some of the other corrupt individuals he rubbed shoulders with during his climb up through Chicago politics. But lo and behold, the records all seem to have mysteriously disappeared.
Politico
The Pantagraph, a central Illinois newspaper
Questions have also been raised about Obama-sponsored legislation during the last year he was in office there. It is alleged that, in the interest of making Obama appear more prolific, then Illinois Senate Majority Leader Emil Jones appointed Obama as sponsor of many pieces of legislation, even though other senior senators had spent many years working on the bills.
“I took all the beatings and insults and endured all the racist comments over the years from nasty Republican committee chairmen,” State Senator Rickey Hendon, the original sponsor of landmark racial profiling and videotaped confession legislation yanked away by Jones and given to Obama, complained to me at the time. “Barack didn’t have to endure any of it, yet, in the end, he got all the credit.”
“I don’t consider it bill jacking,” Hendon told me. “But no one wants to carry the ball 99 yards all the way to the one-yard line, and then give it to the halfback who gets all the credit and the stats in the record book.”
As a result, Todd Spivak of the Houston Press noted, “During his seventh and final year in the state Senate, Obama’s stats soared. He sponsored a whopping 26 bills passed into law — including many he now cites in his presidential campaign when attacked as inexperienced.”
Houston Press
Oops… he didn’t know? Or did he mind?
7. Obama’s website sported a page for the New Black Panthers organization until it was discovered and reported by the media. It was quickly removed. Obama denounced their support, but the New Black Panthers’ Winter 2008 newsletter still carries a full page ad for his campaign on page 36. Though the origin of the ad is not stated, it contains logos, graphics and quotes from the Obama website, which Obama could have ordered removed as a copyright violation.
The NBP page, before its deletion.
NBP Winter 2008 Newsletter
OOPs… he didn’t know.
8. In addition to the controversy concerning his numerous “present” votes while in the Illinois legislature, Obama also maintains that he just pushed the wrong button on 5 or 6 other votes. (Let’s not even go there!)
According to the New York Times, however, an examination of Illinois records shows at least 36 times when Mr. Obama was either the only state senator to vote present or was part of a group of six or fewer to vote that way, causing many to question whether he was really just trying to avoid taking a stand.
LA Times on Obama votes
Real Clear Politics
New Your Times
Obama also has an exceptionally high no-show ration for votes since coming to the Senate.
Media Matters
OOPS… he didn’t know? Or didn’t he care?
9. On Wednesday, Feb 27, 2008, CTV reported that a senior member of Obama’s campaign, Austan Goolsbee, spoke directly with the Canadian Consulate General in Chicago to assure them that if Obama publicly spoke about opting out of NAFTA, they should not take it seriously. It would just be political posturing… campaign rhetoric. Obama flatly denied the report, attacking both Senator Clinton and Senator McCain for their comments on the issue.
On March 4, the New York Times, among other sources, revealed that the conversation had indeed taken place, and published the memo. The Canadian government announced that an investigation would begin to find out who was responsible for leaking the memorandum concerning the conversation.
CTV News
New York Times
New York Times published the memo
OOPS… he didn’t know.
10. Obama’s position on the war in Iraq, in spite of the October 2002 speech, has not been as unwavering as he would have us believe.
# He wrote in The Audacity of Hope that by March of 2003, “I began to suspect that I might have been wrong.”
# In July, 2004, he told the Chicago Tribune, “There’s not that much difference between my position and George Bush’s position at this stage.”
# Once elected to the US Senate, he told Charlie Rose on PBS, “Once the decision was made, then we’ve got to do everything we can to stabilize the country, to make it successful, because we’ll have too much at stake in the Middle East. And that’s the position that I continue to take.”
# Obama continued that tack in his speech of November, 2005. Mirroring the Bush administration’s position, he asserted on January 26, 2006, that “it remains my position that we have a role to play in stabilizing the country as Iraqis are getting their act together.” In this interview on Meet the Press, he further stated, “My position has been that it would not be responsible for us to unilaterally and precipitously draw troops down regardless of the politics, because I think that all of us have a stake in seeing Iraq succeed.”
# It wasn’t until October of 2006 that he called for “all the leadership in Washington to execute a serious change of course in Iraq.”
# A month before he announced his presidential candidacy he repositioned himself again, saying for the first time, “It’s time to start bringing our troops home.”
# It wasn’t until May of 2007 that Obama voted against funding for the war for the first time.
# In June, 2007, Obama voted no to Senator John F. Kerry’s proposal to remove most combat troops from Iraq by July 2007, warning that an “arbitrary deadline” could “compound” the Bush administration’s mistake. He voted instead for a Republican-sponsored resolution that stated the Senate would not cut off funding for troops in Iraq.
Commentary Magazine
Obama Gets the Facts Wrong
Clinton Takes on Obama
MSNBC
The Boston Globe
OOPS… did he forget?
11. Senator Obama is chair of of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee’s Subcommittee on Europe, having been appointed in early 2007. According to Congressional Records, the subcommittee’s jurisdiction includes “all matters, policies and problems concerning the continent of Europe, including the European member states of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.” That means it has jurisdiction over NATO.
As Senator Clinton asserted in a recent debate, “NATO is critical to our mission in Afghanistan. He’s held not one substantive hearing to do oversight, to figure out what we can do to actually have a stronger presence with NATO in Afghanistan.”
Politifact
OOPS… he didn’t know… or did he forget?
12. Senator Obama told Tim Russert in January of 2006 that “I will serve out my full six-year term.”
From the official transcript of Meet the Press:
MR. RUSSERT: But there seems to be an evolution in your thinking. This is what you told the Chicago Tribune last month: “Have you ruled out running for another office before your term is up?” Obama answered, “It’s not something I anticipate doing.” But when we talked back in November of `04 after your election I said, “There’s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?” Obama, “Absolutely.”
SEN. OBAMA: I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you’re going to get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.
MR. RUSSERT: So you will not run for president or vice-president in 2008?
SEN. OBAMA: I will not.
Obama formed an exploratory committee in January of 2007 and declared his candidacy two months later.
Meet The Press Transcript January 22, 2006
“Obama Takes the Russert Test” from The Swamp
Obama Learns the Washington Ways
OOPS… he forgot.
13. Senator Obama promised to use public financing for the general election if his Republican opponent would do the same. Now, apparently after he realized how much more money he could have at his disposal, he has reversed himself.
League of Women Voters
Mr Obama’s Waffle
OOPS… he forgot.
14. Obama bragged in the Iowa debate about the “nuclear legislation I’ve passed.” When he encountered resistance from the nuclear industry… including Illinois-based Excelon, the country’s largest nuclear plant operator and one of Mr. Obama’s largest sources of campaign money, he edited his bill several times, making it weaker each time. The bill, however, never passed. It died. But Mr Obama gained a chief political strategist… David Axelrod. In October 2007, Obama resubmitted the bill in its watered-down version.
Nuclear Leaks and Response Tested Obama in Senate
OOPS… he forgot.
15. Senator Obama purports to be in favor of “universal” health care, utilizing private insurance, on the campaign trail. In fact, he adamantly denied advocating single payor. But there was a time when he was in favor of the single payor system.
Video
The Swamp
OOPS… he forgot.
16. While campaigning, Obama told several hundred people in Iowa, “No lobbyists need apply to my White House.”
However, in contrast to his pledge to fight against the influence of special interests, his record on employing lobbyists isn’t quite so pristine. Several high level members of his campaign are registered lobbyists, including his New Hampshire campaign manager. Lately, he has softened his campaign line to, “They are not going to run my White House.”
The Boston Globe
The Wall Street Journal
Politico
The Washington Post
The Hill
Obama actually seems very comfortable working with lobbyists on legislation. To site just one example…
According to ABC, Obama “has quietly worked with corporate lobbyists to help pass breaks worth $12 million,” that gave two overseas companies tariff suspensions. Both companies also have facilities in Illinois.
One of these companies, Nufarm, told its shareholders it was making “more money than ever before in North America because it had increased its prices on its U.S. and Canadian customers, predominantly farmers.” This had the effect of profiting business interests in his state, while punishing its farmers.
According to ABC News, “With a dozen tariff suspension bills to his name, Obama stands out as the most prolific of any Democratic presidential hopeful on the topic.”
Despite Rhetoric, Obama Pushed Lobbyists’ Interests
OOPS… he forgot. Or didn’t he mind?
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am
Did anyone else get the same impression that I did?
The way Palin punched the names Saakashvili, Ahmadinejad, and Putin into the interview it was as if to say “see, I know some names –I am to qualified!”?
I concede that I might be reading more into her expression than was really there, but as she’s uttering the names I could swear her facial expression is reminiscent of an olympic gymnast after they’ve stuck a difficult landing.
Posted by: Joe C from Austin | September 12, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am
BUSH DOCTRINE WITH RESPECT TO WHAT? SPECIFICALLY..
THE MEDIA JUST PLAYS SMART TO GO “GOTCHA’
WHAT IS BUSH DOCTINE? ID LIKKE SCHEFFER TO TELL US..
VAGUE IDEOLOGY ACCORDING TO PUNDITS AND JUGHEADS IN THE MEDIA
WHAT SPECIFICALLY IS BUSH DOCTRINE.. SHE POSED THAT QUESTION AND SCHEFER NEVER ANSWERED.. WHAT, IN A SENTENCE, IS BUSH DOCTRINE?
IN RELATIONSHIP TO WHAT ASPECT OF HIS GOVERNANCE OR PERSONAL PHILOSOPHY?/
Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | September 12, 2008, 3:52 am 3:52 am
Funny how most here seem to think the “Bush Doctrine” is written on a piece of parchment somewhere in the national archives. Remember this is just a term…that has had a few different evolutions in meaning. Charlie was right to specify – preemptive strike from imminent threat. I’m wondering how many of you think that is not in order? Guess we’ll just leave everyone in Galveston and hope nothing happens. This does not mean we pick a country at random and run in folks. This means tried and true DANGERS. And speaking of danger, Saddam had already used WMDs and was a terror to the Iraqi people. It was also Iraqis who dealt final justice to him. Have you all become so arrogant as Americans that you refuse to stretch out a hand when a country is being terrorized by its leaders? Don’t forget that the poorer end of America is still richer than 90% of the world. It might have hurt our economy to be in a war, but it was a strike where danger was imminent (not to America; to Mankind) – and yes, it was our business…and yes, we have a right to defend ourselves preemptively, and a responsibility to, preemptively if possible, stand for those who are being frightened into torture, rape rooms, and genocide. May I add to the aspect of the “Bush Doctrine” that 9/11 (RIP heroes) has not been repeated – nothing even close – in Bush’s term of office. Maybe the world is changing its mind about terror due to some of these beliefs – can you imagine that?!
God be praised we have someone who’s not afraid to walk His side of the line!
Posted by: Quid est veritas | September 12, 2008, 3:52 am 3:52 am
kerry/Kerry/key. You (all three of your personalities) obviously have racial issues. And, you haven’t yet learned how to cut and paste your talking points only one time either, have you?
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am
Charles Gibson: A+
Sarah Palin: F
Posted by: Bombs | September 12, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am
Kerry,
You are just a “cut and paste” idiot!! Nobody is reading your long boring BS C&P posts full of right wing idiot lies!
Go to bed you dumbass!!
Posted by: Davis | September 12, 2008, 3:54 am 3:54 am
ASK BUSH IF HE KNOWS WHAT HIS OWN DOCTRINE IS?
THE WAY THE QUESTION IS POSED—–NO SUCH THING
BUSH HIMSELF DOESNT KNOW..
Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | September 12, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
FACE IT REPUBLICANS!!
Your new VP candidate is first and foremost what she said she was on the first day… A HOCKEY MOM WITH LIPSTICK!!
Not qualified, Not smart enough, No experience, Dangerous!
NO WAY, NO HOW, NO McCAIN, NO PALIN!!!
Vote for smart leaders this time, vote for Obama/Biden!!
Posted by: Davis | September 12, 2008, 3:55 am 3:55 am
This post should have been called:
IT IS CLEAR SARAH PALIN DOESN’T UNDERSTAND THE BUSH DOCTRINE…
Posted by: Bombs | September 12, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am
Community rookie organizer. Get a better candidate, would you. Palin would beat him one on one.
Posted by: Dave in Va | September 12, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am
DO YOU WANT OPRAH (WHO DOES NOT BELIEVE IN BIBLE)
DO YOU WANT FARRAHKHAN (ANTI-WHITE)
DO YOU WANT PASTOR WRIGHT(GOD DA*N*AMERICA)
DO YOU WANT MICHELLE OBAMA(PROUD OF USA FOR 1ST TIME)
DO YOU WANT REZKO
DO YOU WANT WILLIAM AYERS
DO YOU WANT LARRY SINCLAIR
DO YOU WANT BLACK PANTHER
DO YOU WANT HAMMAS
DO YOU WANT THESE PEOPLE IN THE WHITE HOUSE
IF NOT ,,
THEN GET TO WORK
VOTE FOR MCCAIN!
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am
If there is such a thing as “Bush doctrine,” there will “Lipstick doctrine.”
This Palin is such a baby doll that McCain tries save his campaign. It’s so sad that it seems to work so far.
Her answer is all cliche, sound-bite without any real substance.
I’m so worried for America. A vice president like her will lead us to war easily, just like the Texan idiot, Bush.
Posted by: ailien | September 12, 2008, 3:57 am 3:57 am
I love the right-wing revisionist history.
Just a few years back they were chanting “USA” as snarly as any Nazi crowd, buying their George W. “Mission Accomplished” action dolls, and now they have no recollection of The Bush Doctrine they advocated.
If it wasn’t so sad, it would be funny.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 3:57 am 3:57 am
The official term recognized by the White House for the Bush Doctrine is The National Security Strategy of the United States of America of 2006
Posted by: ALERT! | September 12, 2008, 3:57 am 3:57 am
TJ, THE CLINTONITE: Am I supposed to be moved by the possibility that THIS president may not know what the doctrine named after him may be called? You MUST be joking. We all know he’s an idiot. Now we know Sarah Palin is too.
Posted by: Bombs | September 12, 2008, 3:58 am 3:58 am
The people who defend Palin are the same 20% who still believe the country is on the “right track”. These are the same people who, when confronted with evidence about Palin’s support for the bridge to nowhere, will bring up Biden’s plagiarism, yet won’t understand why that’s not an answer to the question that was asked. Straw men and red herrings are all they know, and they are immune to logic and reason.
Unfortunately, the election is no longer an election, but has instead become a census which will determine just how many of these people there are in the US. If they are in the majority, then it’s time to pack your bags folks, because the American experiment will have failed.
Posted by: Los | September 12, 2008, 3:58 am 3:58 am
ANYBODY BUT OBAMA!
NO OBAMA — HE HAS BASED HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN ON LIES. THE DNC AND BIASED MEDIA HID THE TRUTH FROM AMERICANS.
BARACK AND MICHELLE ARE RACIST ANTI-AMERICANS. READ HIS BOOK. READ HER COLLEGE THESIS.
I BELIEVE THE DEMOCRATS IN CONGRESS AND THE DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES HAVE FORCED OBAMA DOWN OUR THROATS. MOST OF MY FRIENDS FEEL THE SAME WAY.
AMERICANS NEED TO REPLACE ALL THE DEMOCRATICS IN CONGRESS WHO DID NOT LISTEN TO US — THEY STOLE THIS ELECTION.
HOW MUCH MONEY DID OBAMA PAY DELEGATES? WE NEED AN ACCOUNTING.
THE PEOPLE DEMAND “ELECTED” — NOT “SELECTED”!
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:00 am 4:00 am
ALERT!: Yes, and the official name of the Monroe Doctrine is called “Manifest Destiny” — doesn’t change the fact that a GOP GOVERNOR claiming non-existent foreign policy experience because she can see Russia doesn’t know what it is…not to mention a GOP Governor running for the VP…get outta here — THIS MOOSE IS COOKED!!!
Posted by: Bombs | September 12, 2008, 4:00 am 4:00 am
The official term recognized by the White House for the Bush Doctrine is The National Security Strategy of the United States of America of 2006
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2006/
Posted by: ALERT! | September 12, 2008, 4:01 am 4:01 am
TJ-
I’m sure the neocons gave W a “Bush Doctrine” certificate with a gold seal on it. He was only doing their bidding anyway, the poor chump.
Dave in VA-
Saracuda is obviously a dolt who tries to charm her way out of the shallow waters she plumbs. If she hadn’t run against an even bigger crook, she wouldn’t be governor of Alaska right now.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 4:01 am 4:01 am
Why are the leftists giving Bush credit? I thought Bush lied, people died with his pre strike injustices. Can’t have it both ways. You guys are laughable.
Posted by: Dave in Va | September 12, 2008, 4:02 am 4:02 am
First, the Obamabots blame Clinton supporters for dividing the party–now they are trying to blame poor ole Rush Limbaugh! Why don’t you Obama people place the blame where it belongs–on you and your fearless “leader”? His greed for power and that of the democratic party leaders knows no bounds. Please do not insult my intelligence by telling me I should support Obama. He stands for nothing that I believe in! I am educated, am not bitter, and I do own a gun and go to church. All of these things are against Obama’s ideals. Oh, I am also not a “victim” like Michelle and Barrack. Only hard-working and optimistic, but do not believe that “hope” will pay my bills–( I am also not a republican). McCain is moderate–best bet–if no Clinton.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am
OMG Watch the interview. This woman is going to be a heartbeat and banana peal away from the presidency!
She is scarier than Bush!!! I rather have Bush in the oval office than Pallin. Am I crazy?
McCain has really pissed me off.. From the start of this election season I felt great that we would have two decent moderate candidates to choose from albiet moderate left and moderate right. With Pallin as a VP there is no alternative but to Pick Obama.
Dammit John… why the hell did you not pick Gov Pawlenty or Tom Ridge! Even Carly Fiorina is a better choice than this.. this pig with lipstick!
Posted by: Vince | September 12, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am
Kerry-
I read her thesis – in its entirety.
Did you?
If so, tell us in the next two minutes – in context – what she researched.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am
Who gave Bush credit?
Posted by: THIS MOOSE IS COOKED | September 12, 2008, 4:04 am 4:04 am
But manipulation of the public with the help of the media works. Then when the party and the DNC and the Superdelegates chose between AAs and youth and Older lifelongs and women.
They gambled wrong that the youth and blacks would defect, but not the lifelongs and women.
They were wrong. We have no more loyalty to the party that betrayed HRC, than blacks had. We will go, they will stay.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:04 am 4:04 am
Dave in Va-
I have yet to see anyone give Bush credit for anything other than the wreck he’s made of this once great country of ours. Don’t put words in people’s mouths.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 4:05 am 4:05 am
COOKED.
COOKED.
COOKED.
COOKED.
COOKED.
Posted by: THIS MOOSE IS COOKED | September 12, 2008, 4:05 am 4:05 am
AuthenticSkeptic:
Sorry Hussein Osama – This is one Hillary supporter that will vote McCain come this November. You will have no one to blame for your your loss in November but yourself, your racist church, your crooked friends AND your nasty juvenile supporters. Go back to Chicago and clean that up before you try to clean up our country. No Obama – NEVER.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:06 am 4:06 am
AuthenticSkeptic:
Unity is no longer possible. The haters took care of that.
Obama mocking annie oakley and brushing Hill off his shoulders took care of that.
Michelle Obama’s taped interview where she said she would not vote for Hillary… took care of the loyalty to party and nomiee, argument.
Obama supporters, YOU cost Obama and the DEMS this election.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:07 am 4:07 am
If anyone watched this interview, and still is voting for the Palin/McCain ticket (yes,I organized those by ego), I have a free bumper sticker for you.
It says:
“I’m Gullible, And I Vote.”
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 4:07 am 4:07 am
KERRY: It’s 2008, let go of your racist tendencies…they’ll eat you up alive.
Posted by: THIS MOOSE IS COOKED | September 12, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Kerry-
Knock off the disgruntled Hillary supporter schtick. It’s as see through as the holes in your “logic.”
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Veitnam and Korea where pre-emptive wars
neather of them nations attacked us befor we went to war. They attacked there south counterpart. Now Iraq did this same thing but when kicked them out and then let them play game with the U.N. for 12 years. Saddam was a evil man and who knows what that kook would be doing now. This pre-emptive doctrine out Bush doctrine as many call
it has proved affective because we havn’t been attacked again for 7 years today. I’m sick of people attacking what has worked. There was nobody that said we wouldn’t be hit again. Well if it’s working why mess with it. Thats what McCain will do. Keep us safe. Thats the Bottom line. A strong responce was just what we needed after 9/11. God bless the U.S.A.
Posted by: Timothy | September 12, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Obama worshippers… next time, check your rabid hate and your vile, filthy vulgar name-calling insults at the door… then enter the democratic party.
This new party is too hateful, divisive and vulgar for me.
That is NOT change I can believe in.
Obama inspires just too much corruption, reverse-racism, disrepect and hate.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am
Obama worshippers… next time, check your rabid hate and your vile, filthy vulgar name-calling insults at the door… then enter the democratic party.
This new party is too hateful, divisive and vulgar for me.
That is NOT change I can believe in.
Obama inspires just too much corruption, reverse-racism, disrepect and hate.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:10 am 4:10 am
This is a Hillary supporter who will be voting for McCain.
Posted by: no obama nation | September 12, 2008, 4:11 am 4:11 am
AuthenticSkeptic,
I admit that I don’t know much about Palin. As for the few accusations you made on Palin, I guess I need to hear the other side of the story. e.g. in the case of charge for rape kit, was the true purpose of charging a rape kit is to discourage false accusations. I can understand that if false accusation is a problem. Or was there a policy that the fee will be refunded when the case was proven in the court? I believe there was a reason other than financial. I don’t think we know the whole picture here.
Posted by: xz | September 12, 2008, 4:11 am 4:11 am
The sheep followed their leaders call to agitate hate and division.
Now they follow his call to guilt trip for unity.
Good luck with that.
I am a free thinker.
I do not follow orders on HOW to vote.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:11 am 4:11 am
I’m amazed by the Republicans’ incredible adeptness at self-deception, but the GOP is making such ridiculous claims these days, that at some point no amount of mental gymnastics will be enough to reconcile two blatantly opposing viewpoints, and their little heads will just pop.
Posted by: Los | September 12, 2008, 4:12 am 4:12 am
I love it,, Everybody on the Right is so stuck up under her dress!! Don’t know a Damn thang but what she’s been coached to say,, her homework left out some things..Ha Ha, Biden will rock for there 1st debate!!! Loozers!!!! JR WANNA BE VP,,,WITH A SMILE AND A SKIRT!
Go OBIDEN!!!!
Posted by: NitaBarack | September 12, 2008, 4:12 am 4:12 am
Women should never kiss and make up when they are gang raped by their own UNdemocratic “family”.
That would be to invite, enable and encourage more of the despicable behavior in the future. Losing an election over the methodology goes further to drive the lesson home.
It is not THAT HRC lost. It is HOW she lost that will have lasting effects on this party.
The dust is settling on the DEMS ideology and HRC will rise from the ashes of the hate that you fueled into a divisive fire.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:13 am 4:13 am
AuthenticSkeptic: Go to bed.
Posted by: no obama nation | September 12, 2008, 4:13 am 4:13 am
To vote for the Democrats now would be to say that fixed and unfair elections are okay.
It is to say that woman bashing is acceptable while racism is not.
BOTH are deplorable and go against the ideals of the party.
The Obama camp is full of vicious and vulgar hate for fellow democrats from other walks of life.
I can wait 4 more years until the hatred that divided this party is banished.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am
Timothy-
You don’t have a clue. Go back and study history, boy. Read up on the Tonkin Gulf and the 38th Parallel.
Iraq, under Hussein, was the paper tiger it turned out to be after “Mission Accomplished.”
And FYI – even Bush has had to admit that Hussein had nothing to do with the Sep 11 attacks. The fundie Muslims hated Hussein almost as much as they hate us.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am
Michelle Obama stated in an interview that she would NOT vote for HRC.
That knife cuts both ways.
I will not vote for the party nominee, either
Why should I have loyalty to the party, to the country and to the nominee?
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:15 am 4:15 am
Michelle Obama said she would NOT vote for Hillay Clinton, in a taped interview.
I have the same option.
Obama followers don’t even try the reverse psychology of loyalty to party and Country. THAT knife cuts BOTH ways.
I am protesting the WAY Hillary was thrashed and forced out of the race. Not the fact that she lost.
The DEMS lost my vote for the first time in my ADULT lifetime- because I am ashamed of the hateful tactics deployed to trounce HRC
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:16 am 4:16 am
xz-
Nope, no refunds, unless the victim got them from their insurance company. Wasilla’s hand picked police chief just didn’t want to pay for them.
http://www.frontiersman.com/articles/2000/05/23/news.txt
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 4:16 am 4:16 am
My husband and I are”Hillary Democrats” that strongly believe Obama is not ready to be President of the US. He hasn’t any track record of standing up and fighting for what he truly believes in other than speaking out against the war. Nor does he have any record of crossing the aisle to work with Republicans. He has done nothing but play it safe. He hasn’t gotten his hands dirty, he is nothing but a good orator. Hillary Clinton and John McCain are both known for working hard, for standing up for what they believe in, popular or not, and for crossing the aisle to get things done. The Democratic party has made
a huge mistake! The country is not a left leaning country, it is center to right leaning. There is no way Obama will be elected in November.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:17 am 4:17 am
Idiot, Pig, Dolt.
These are the words used by model Americans in support of Obama to describe a vice presidential candidate. I truly hope you speak that way about your neighbors, a few relatives, the lady walking across the parking lot, and that you don’t save it only for vice presidential candidates once every 4 years.
Oh, wait – he’s displaced himself from anyone who says nasty words like that. Sorry folks – you’re not his friends anymore.
So I’m assuming you’d ALL say that we have to wait for another 9/11 before we’re allowed to take preventative military action to defend ourselves? You all believe Obama would say that too? You have NO belief in the idea at all? You know you can talk and have an opinion without namecalling. Let’s hear it – all in favor of waiting till a bomb hits before we take a countermeasure?
Posted by: Quid est veritas | September 12, 2008, 4:17 am 4:17 am
kerry-
Stop copying and pasting your nonsense. You’ll get a well deserved case of carpal tunnel syndrome if you don’t.
Posted by: AuthenticSkeptic | September 12, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am
ABC interview posed so many hypothetical questions to trip her than get her true feelings and commitments.
If the interviewer’s have sons or daughters serving in Iraq or Afganisthan or served for army in the past the questions would be more about how to end the conflict, how to prevent the conflict than one posed ‘would you attack Russia’.
VP once in job has more exposure and information on national security at hand than when contesting for the election. Consequently, decisions made then would be different to what is expected now.
Sarah has answered at best as she could and she would be a capable VP serving the counry and taking care of the working people.
America and particularly the Democrats, by the way it is grilling her and trying to denegrate her, has abundantly shown that they do not need a women either as a VP or as President in the future.
Posted by: V S Mani | September 12, 2008, 4:18 am 4:18 am
Let’s hope that the hate that’s taken over the democratic party destroys itself. The hate is on that side. The right just yells.
Posted by: no obama nation | September 12, 2008, 4:19 am 4:19 am
oH gET OVER IT HAYTERS,, THE INITIAL ROCK STAR HAS GOT IT GOING ON,, THIS LAST MINUTE STEP IN DON’T EVEN HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO LEARN THE ROPES!! SO SAD MCCAIN GOT ONE LIFT AND PICKED WHAT GAVE IT TO HIM,, SERIOUSLY,, 72 IS NOT THE BEST TIME TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT!!!AND PICK A SKIRT AS A POLITICAL STUNT!!
GO OBIDEN!!!!
Posted by: NITABARACK | September 12, 2008, 4:19 am 4:19 am
I’m one of Hillary supporters. I’ll not vote for Obama. Obama is the biggest cheater. If he become the president of the United States, it will damage this great country so badly. Please, Please, Please
wake up American!!! To whatever you can to stop his bid.
Life long DNC member.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:21 am 4:21 am
TODAY IS MY OFFICIAL DEPARTURE FROM
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
TODAY I’M LEAVING THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY FOR GOOD.
ALSO TODAY MILLIONS LIKE ME ARE LEAVING
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR GOOD.
BLACKS AND LEFT WING RADICALS TOOK
OVER THE PARTY TO IMPOSE THEIR
AGENDA.
THE PARTY WILL SPLIT IN DAYS AHEAD.
UNITY OF THE PARTY IS NOT A REALITY.
HUSSEIN OBAMA IS UN-ELECTABLE IN G.E.
HE’S UN-TESTED AND UN-EXPERIENCE TO BE
COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF U.S ARMED FORCES.
I HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE DNC, THE
PARTY LEADERS AND THE MEDIA.THEY WILL
NEVER WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:22 am 4:22 am
this article fails to mention that Palin also asked, dumbfoundedly, “his worldview?” Palin had NO CLUE as to what the Bush Doctrine is! Shame on her. Shame on John McCain.
Posted by: paul | September 12, 2008, 4:22 am 4:22 am
TODAY IS MY OFFICIAL DEPARTURE FROM
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY.
TODAY I’M LEAVING THE DEMOCRATIC
PARTY FOR GOOD.
ALSO TODAY MILLIONS LIKE ME ARE LEAVING
THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY FOR GOOD.
BLACKS AND LEFT WING RADICALS TOOK
OVER THE PARTY TO IMPOSE THEIR
AGENDA.
THE PARTY WILL SPLIT IN DAYS AHEAD.
UNITY OF THE PARTY IS NOT A REALITY.
HUSSEIN OBAMA IS UN-ELECTABLE IN G.E.
HE’S UN-TESTED AND UN-EXPERIENCE TO BE
COMMANDER IN CHIEF OF U.S ARMED FORCES.
I HOLD ACCOUNTABLE THE DNC, THE
PARTY LEADERS AND THE MEDIA.THEY WILL
NEVER WIN THE HEARTS AND MINDS OF THE
AMERICAN PEOPLE.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:22 am 4:22 am
Did she name her kid after a piece of snowmobile equipment?
Posted by: confused | September 12, 2008, 4:23 am 4:23 am
confused, you should talk LOL.
Posted by: no obama nation | September 12, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am
OSAMA LIES:
Selma Got Me Born – LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 – Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma was in 1965.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:24 am 4:24 am
OSAM LIES:
Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter – LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:25 am 4:25 am
OSAMA LIES:
My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian – LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn’t allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:26 am 4:26 am
osama lies:
My Name is African Swahili – LIAR, your name is Arabic and ‘Baraka’ (from which Barack came) means ‘blessed’ in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:27 am 4:27 am
Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience – LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn’t even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.
Posted by: kerry | September 12, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am
Yet another perfect example of “all we can come up with,” thanks confused.
“Bush Doctrine,” as I said before is a vague term that was loosely coined, sparsely used, and has changed in meaning over the course of time. Nobody in this whole campaign would want to answer that question without clarification. There’s a lot more to the “Bush Doctrine” than just preemptive strike too – like democracy for all people. Before you point fingers of shame shame, are you saying you wouldn’t want it perfectly clear what question you were answering in front of the whole world?
Posted by: Quid est veritas | September 12, 2008, 4:29 am 4:29 am
Don’t forget- if one of Obama’s kids got pregnant, he wouldn’t want them punished with a kid.
Posted by: no obama nation | September 12, 2008, 4:29 am 4:29 am
I’m not talking, I’m writing. Well, did she?
Posted by: confused | September 12, 2008, 4:31 am 4:31 am
Kerry, I’m on your side, but you have to stop cutting and pasting.
Rise above it. Think for yourself. You’re on the right track, but don’t use the circulating “Liar” email for this kind of discussion.
Know your role :)
Posted by: Quid est veritas | September 12, 2008, 4:32 am 4:32 am
Kerry, no one can stop you but the mods.
The info is quite interesting.
Posted by: no obama nation | September 12, 2008, 4:34 am 4:34 am
More commentary at: http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com
I’m not sure what’s more scary — someone who is clearly unqualified to be Vice President or someone who is deluded into thinking they are. In general, Palin just seemed really uncomfortable the whole time and watching the thing made me feel uncomfortable too.
And what’s scary is that this interview should have been the softball for her. She was sequestered and prepped by McCain advisors for quite some time leading up to this event. None of the questions here were beyond what one would normally expect in this type of interview (in fact, there are a lot of questions that Gibson could have asked that would have been much more difficult, but he refrained).
Now, I’m sure there will be those out there who claim more love for Palin because they were able to “relate” to her. But for god sakes people, this is not about choosing a candidate you relate to — this is about choosing someone who exceeds you in multiple dimensions. It’s not OK if Palin is unaware of what the Bush Doctrine just because you were unaware of it also.
Here’s another way to put it. Suppose that you have a leaky faucet and need to hire a plumber. Would you rather hire a plumber who you relate to (but who doesn’t know a thing about your pipes) or a plumber who actually knows how to fix your faucet? Granted the job of vice president is not the same as the job of plumber. But America has a number of leaky faucets that need desperately to be repaired, and it’s time we actually hired the right person for the job.
Sarah Palin claims that she is an outsider who wants to bring about “change” in Washington. But how can you bring about change if you are completely ignorant of what your predecessors did? I mean if McCain and Palin are going to steal the Obama-Biden platform, at least have the basic knowledge to back up your claims.
When you are the leader of the free world, of the most powerful country on earth, then you have some major responsibilities underneath you. This is not a job for an average or even slightly above average person to tackle. This job is one that demands the utmost excellence and command of a wide array of topics. The fact that I personally feel I could have done a better job on that interview scares me.
So, come on people, why don’t we pick candidates who embody excellence in every way, shape, or form?
More commentary at: http://whenelephantsfly.blogspot.com
Posted by: WhenElephantsFly | September 12, 2008, 4:35 am 4:35 am
who is “‘we’” ?
kerry, feel free to ignore my original question, i’m looking for someone who actually knows the answer.
Posted by: confused | September 12, 2008, 4:37 am 4:37 am
Hey, don’t forget Obama’s on the top spot, not Sarah. You guys will go nuts when McCain pulls ahead even further.
Posted by: no obama nation | September 12, 2008, 4:37 am 4:37 am
Kerry,, really,,YOu are as poor as I am, why is it that the folks that knows Obama’s stand on our issues are for the poor, and they have the audacity to fake like they fall up UNder RICHY-Poo McCain’s promises. They are not on our sides!!! Most of us are up under the $250.000 not rich being over $500 million,,,Come on!!!!! How many houses do you own?
Less than 7 4-show!!
Go OBIDEN!!
Posted by: NitaBarack | September 12, 2008, 4:38 am 4:38 am
Lets put it like this: the stupidity of the american voter has no limits if this woman comes within 100 yards of the white house. 4 more years of toilet policies? like we havent been screwed over enough already. she can see russia from alaska? Thats her qualification? i can see mexico so maybe i should apply for the Secretary of State position. Please, wake the heck up and let her stay in alaska.
Posted by: pada | September 12, 2008, 4:40 am 4:40 am
OOOOOooo, Obama went to Harvard! Big whoop, George Bush is the first president to hold an MBA from Harvard! Google it.
Many people graduate from the bottom who rise to the top in life, but again, libs make an intelligence issue out of it.
Liberal Education Doctrine:
Obama goes to Harvard – He’s KING!
Bush goes to Harvard w/MBA – He’s stupid.
And these people vote? You can’t make up your mind whether or not someone is smart coming from Harvard. Maybe it’s because he’s black that he’s smart AND from Harvard.
Gasp! OBAMA IS BLACK? I didn’t know that. I’m so glad he tells us every chance he gets.
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 5:09 am 5:09 am
The title of this article is suspect, imo.
Sara answered the questions beautifully – she’s not running w/George Bush, she’s running with John McCain and the way Gibson worded the question was no less than another “gotcha”.
What if she said, YES! I could imagine the liberal media roar after that. BUT, she was shrewd and knew she was being trapped and that shrewdness and keen awareness, which she possesses is what we need in the White House, not an uh, uh, uh, but maybe, uh, uh, PRESENT person.
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 5:17 am 5:17 am
If Governor Palin governs the U.S. like she has governed Alaska, I will have no complaints.
Tell Charlie that hell yes, we are in a holy war. One we didn’t start, but we will sure as hell finish..if B.O. isn’t elected to surrender our army to his side. He did say he is a muslim and I have it on tape.
As for the Bush Doctrine, who cares what it is. The Doctrine that will matter after November is the McCain Doctrine. B.O. has no doctrine except to redistribute the wealth and surrender our army to the enemy and establish socialism in America..maybe that is what appeals to the liberals. Maybe you guys should call yourselves what you really are…socialist democrats. Then voters who are educated in government schools will know what they are voting for. Under the current system, you don’t have a clue.
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 12, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am
Palin never said she was Miss Alaska – she was runner up. Get your liberal talking points right!
Change is not stolen, because it’s a common word in the English language and because the media/campaign is trying to paint this election (for republicans) as a 3rd bush term, McCain/Palin are simply using a REAL CHANGE theme to thwart that.
Sara answered the question correctly three times, first by asking for clarification, then by stating the fact that a president defends this country and then by reiterating the fact that you will defend this country.
Why didn’t Charlie ask her if she subscribed to Reagan Doctrine where Russia was concerned?
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 5:25 am 5:25 am
DEMOCRATS, OBAMA, BIDEN, DO NOT USE “BUSH DOCTRINE” TO PUT PALIN DOWN. IT IS A SETUP BY KARL ROVE. THERE IS NO BUSH DOCTRINE. THAT TERM OR PHRASE HAS NEVER APPEARED ON ANY GOVERNMENT POLICY PAPERS.
PALIN IS NOT DUMB. SHE IS THE REPUBLICAN’S BAIT. IF YOU THINK PALIN WAS WRONG ABOUT BUSH DOCTRINE, THINK AGAIN. THAT WILL SHOW THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY.
BUSH DOCTRINE IS FAMOUS AMONG CONSPIRACY LOONIES. BE CAREFUL. IF PALIN CAN SILENCE THOSE OLD SCHOOL ALASKAN REPUBLICANS, SHE IS NO DUMB, MEEK MOOSE-EATING BABY-MAKER.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO BUSH DOCTRINE. THERE IS NATIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. BUSH STRATEGY IS BETTER THAN BUSH DOCTRINE BECAUSE IT IS ON THE PAPER.
A SCARED DEMOCRAT
Posted by: sun_dang | September 12, 2008, 5:31 am 5:31 am
I’m glad this interview displayed her ignorance before the american people. now maybe we can get pass all of the republicans hype and get back to the real issues, of which the republicans have no solutions, just more of the same.
Posted by: seriou | September 12, 2008, 5:36 am 5:36 am
Palin doesn’t know what the Bush doctrine is so who knows if she subscribes to it.
Posted by: Angela | September 12, 2008, 5:38 am 5:38 am
ALL I GOT TO SAY IS THAT THE REPUBLICAN HAVE BLOWED HER UP SOOOOO BIG,NOW WHAT,, CAN’T EVEN SCORE BIG ON HER 1ST INTERVIEW.. WHERE IS THAT BULL DOG ALASLAN.. BARACUDA? OH,,, SHE’S NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE REAL QUESTIONS YET ,, SO THIS THREW HER OFF GUARD,, COME ON!!!
GO OBIDEN!!!!!
Posted by: NitaBarack | September 12, 2008, 5:43 am 5:43 am
This woman is NO Hillary Clinton. Shes more like Pat Robertson. I see Bush in a dress. She wants to go to war with Russia!! How can she even mention war with Russia? Is she insane? Im afraid her religious beliefs will bring about WW3, since she is all fired up for Jesus to come back for Armegeddon. Shes too scary to be a heartbeat away from POTUS! God help us all!!
Posted by: JJ | September 12, 2008, 5:47 am 5:47 am
Obama’s never run a city, never run a state, never run a business, oh my, he never even run a small town. And he’s running for President? He said he has been running for president the past 2 years which gives him more executive experience than Palin. hahaha. is this a joke?
Did Bill Clinton have any foreign policy experience when he first run for President? Last I heard, he was also a governor before he ran?
And what foreign policy experience does Obama has? Oh yeah, he gave a speech in europe, my bad.
Posted by: june | September 12, 2008, 5:48 am 5:48 am
On drugs? I love how the Repugnantcans throw dirt instead of facing the issues. Thats a very bad way of debating the issues.
Posted by: JJ | September 12, 2008, 5:50 am 5:50 am
AuthenticSkeptic:
Go read up on rape rooms, torture and the like where Iraq is concerned. Also, unless you are employed by the CIA or a high ranking Pentagon official or Homeland Security Director, you really have NO CLUE as to what is going on in the Middle East.
The internet does NOT have all the answers.
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 5:52 am 5:52 am
Unclear? She didn’t know what it was!
Posted by: Cara Prado | September 12, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am
A great opportunity missed to pursue this point. Any candidate for the two highest positions in the land worth their salt should be able to define THE leading doctrine that has guided this administration for the last 6,5 years. Of course, next time the question comes up in a debate she’ll be prepped.
But don’t think for a minute that you can run the country based on a Cliff Notes appraisal of foreign policy.
We are in big trouble if this woman ends up in the WH.
Posted by: Michael | September 12, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am
DEMOCRATS, OBAMA, BIDEN, DO NOT USE “BUSH DOCTRINE” TO PUT PALIN DOWN. IT IS A SETUP BY KARL ROVE. THERE IS NO BUSH DOCTRINE. THAT TERM OR PHRASE HAS NEVER APPEARED ON ANY GOVERNMENT POLICY PAPERS.
PALIN IS NOT DUMB. SHE IS THE REPUBLICAN’S BAIT. IF YOU THINK PALIN WAS WRONG ABOUT BUSH DOCTRINE, THINK AGAIN. THAT WILL SHOW THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY.
BUSH DOCTRINE IS FAMOUS AMONG CONSPIRACY LOONIES. BE CAREFUL. IF PALIN CAN SILENCE THOSE OLD SCHOOL ALASKAN REPUBLICANS, SHE IS NO DUMB, MEEK MOOSE-EATING BABY-MAKER.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO BUSH DOCTRINE. THERE IS NATIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. BUSH STRATEGY IS BETTER THAN BUSH DOCTRINE BECAUSE IT IS ON THE PAPER.
A SCARED DEMOCRAT
Posted by: sun_dang | September 12, 2008, 5:57 am 5:57 am
DEMOCRATS, OBAMA, BIDEN, DO NOT USE “BUSH DOCTRINE” TO PUT PALIN DOWN. IT IS A SETUP BY KARL ROVE. THERE IS NO BUSH DOCTRINE. THAT TERM OR PHRASE HAS NEVER APPEARED ON ANY GOVERNMENT POLICY PAPERS.
PALIN IS NOT DUMB. SHE IS THE REPUBLICAN’S BAIT. IF YOU THINK PALIN WAS WRONG ABOUT BUSH DOCTRINE, THINK AGAIN. THAT WILL SHOW THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY.
BUSH DOCTRINE IS FAMOUS AMONG CONSPIRACY LOONIES. BE CAREFUL. IF PALIN CAN SILENCE THOSE OLD SCHOOL ALASKAN REPUBLICANS, SHE IS NO DUMB, MEEK MOOSE-EATING BABY-MAKER.
AGAIN, THERE IS NO BUSH DOCTRINE. THERE IS NATIONAL SECURITY STRATEGY OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. BUSH STRATEGY IS BETTER THAN BUSH DOCTRINE BECAUSE IT IS ON THE PAPER.
A SCARED DEMOCRAT
Posted by: sun_dang | September 12, 2008, 5:58 am 5:58 am
The way she was looking at Charles Gibson as he explained what Bush Doctrine is totaly got me knocked off, she was like a 3rd grader listening horor story from the teacher.
HUH n McCrazy want her to be VP.
God help us
Posted by: Bush Doctrine | September 12, 2008, 6:00 am 6:00 am
It as clear that Gov. Palin didn’t know what the word hubris means.
They can stuff her with facts, they can anticipate questions and prep her, but it never occurred to them they’d need to add a crash course in vocabulary building.
I don’t have her grammar mistakes in front of me, but she did butcher some common grammar rules in her responses.
Her body language was rigid and almost defiant.
Posted by: Gus | September 12, 2008, 6:01 am 6:01 am
Gus,, coming from Alaska, the soccer Mom did not have to have proper grammar. Only the ability to fish, shoot and crack a joke or two..smile then fire who evers not marching to her beat.. come on America.. We’re SMARTER THAN THIS,,GO OBIDEN!!!
Posted by: NitaBarack | September 12, 2008, 6:07 am 6:07 am
Kerry – fine job of cutting and pasting, only these aren’t “talking points” folks, they’re facts that you really don’t want to realize.
I particularly like #10 where he was “quietly” pushing thru tax reliefs for a farming corporation – that’s CORPORATION. I thought libs hated the corps and now Obammie is helping them by giving them tax breaks?
That 12Million could have bought a lot of heath care for a lot of folks. Hmmm.
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:09 am 6:09 am
Patricia, Its clear to see that YOU are as stupid as Palin. How can you say that she is not stupid? She could bARELY get a bachelors degree after attending 6 colleges! Her GPA was like 2.0 for crying out loud!! She IS stupid!
Posted by: JJ | September 12, 2008, 6:10 am 6:10 am
Off topic, but I love how Obama, in his interview with OReilly, calls redistribution of the income of the wealthy (including Matt Damon’s, lol) as being “neigborly”.
So, Obama says Iraqui’s have to “get their act together”, obscene taxation is “neighborly” and we are supposed to take him seriously as a LEADER? LOL!
I think his upcoming stint on SNL is a more appropriate venue for this clown.
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:12 am 6:12 am
Bush Doctrine? What about the Kennedy Doctrine? He certainly seriously considered preemtive strikes on Cuba/Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis. To attribute the idea soley to Bush is propaganda.
Posted by: P40Tiger | September 12, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am
Bush Doctrine? What about the Kennedy Doctrine? He certainly seriously considered preemtive strikes on Cuba/Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis. To attribute the idea soley to Bush is propaganda.
Posted by: P40Tiger | September 12, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am
Bush Doctrine? What about the Kennedy Doctrine? He certainly seriously considered preemtive strikes on Cuba/Soviet Union during the Cuban Missile Crisis. To attribute the idea soley to Bush is propaganda.
Posted by: P40Tiger | September 12, 2008, 6:15 am 6:15 am
Kitty, Dont boohoo and pout when you have to say President Obama in November. Its really not that hard to do you just put your lips together and speak. I hate to think of a sad little pouty Kitty.
Posted by: JJ | September 12, 2008, 6:16 am 6:16 am
BTW, will Charles Gibson issue a retraction for misquoting Palin’s “God” comments? Do some research, Charlie. Don’t just take the biased AP’s word for it.
Posted by: P40Tiger | September 12, 2008, 6:19 am 6:19 am
She lied so many times it was truly sad. One that comes to mind immediately is when she said that Russia entered Georgia unprovoked. I had to spit out my soup when I heard that! Anyone with half a brain knows that Georgia provoked that encounter. Russia was RESPONDING. So in other words they were PROVOKED, and Palin LIED.
Posted by: JJ | September 12, 2008, 6:19 am 6:19 am
Libs:
The cost of the war is a fraction of the national budget. And, newsflash, there will ALWAYS be war – it’s just a matter of when.
People who die in wars die for YOU, no matter what party affiliation. They die for your RIGHT to be FREE. They have died for your RIGHT to trash talk our country and leaders aka freedom of speech (although you guys take it across the line with your hate).
You see, if you lived in Iraq, under Saddam, or a number of other places you esteem around the world, like China & Cuba, and you say, in public, what you say against our leader, your tongue would be cut out and or fingers chopped off (so you couldn’t type), your female family members sent to rape rooms and/or you’d and your family, extended family and friends would have their heads cut off. Hmmm.
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:20 am 6:20 am
Russia provoked, really? So, are YOU agreeing with Bush Doctrine as it applies to the Russia/Georgia situation?
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:23 am 6:23 am
My Lord, I shudder at the thought of this woman becoming leader of the free world. She is SO ignorant on international politics. This is frightening. That the McCain ticket isn’t 20pts behind is an indication that this country must be full of racists.
Posted by: cmallen | September 12, 2008, 6:28 am 6:28 am
I live in erupe and usa have been the most hated country the last 8 years ,we saw how many people kiled bei usa most of them poor people , it seems for us usa cant stop to bomb other countris!!!the us have lot enamy , iran,koria,russlnad,kuba,venusel,chin,somly,etc they even do not ask they self why they are so hated country at moment !!! we saw the last 8 years us was not able to set and talk to other countrys .now with mccann and palin two people who loves war .if they win it will be other war and usa will have more enamy then frands.
usa killed other people in the name of God and that is also what terrorist do .
who are you to kill other people , do not use God name to kill other people our God is LOve of God and if he want to kill he do not need usa help so usa people think befor u vote we donot want other war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: susan | September 12, 2008, 6:28 am 6:28 am
I live in erupe and usa have been the most hated country the last 8 years ,we saw how many people kiled bei usa most of them poor people , it seems for us usa cant stop to bomb other countris!!!the us have lot enamy , iran,koria,russlnad,kuba,venusel,chin,somly,etc they even do not ask they self why they are so hated country at moment !!! we saw the last 8 years us was not able to set and talk to other countrys .now with mccann and palin two people who loves war .if they win it will be other war and usa will have more enamy then frands.
usa killed other people in the name of God and that is also what terrorist do .
who are you to kill other people , do not use God name to kill other people our God is LOve of God and if he want to kill he do not need usa help so usa people think befor u vote we donot want other war!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: susan | September 12, 2008, 6:28 am 6:28 am
I would love to hear a montage (sp?) of Barack Obama agreeing with many Bush policies saying he will extend them.
Where are the headlines that Obama will be an extension of Bush? We’ve had economic growth in the past two quarters, per the same reports Obama will see, so where are the headlines about that?
*sigh*
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:33 am 6:33 am
cmallen
well some people dont live in your cozy latte arugula little world..XChanfe is just a word with Obama with Mccain/Palin Im sure they intend to shake up both parties which is overdue
Posted by: staniam | September 12, 2008, 6:34 am 6:34 am
Election Results: McCain – Palin: 53%
Obama – Biden: 47%
Posted by: Paul | September 12, 2008, 6:36 am 6:36 am
Obamamama
Obama is a closet right winger just as Bush is a closet liberal… I dont know if the similar personalitiew make them similar polticians or what but they are that cant be denied
Posted by: staniam | September 12, 2008, 6:36 am 6:36 am
Yes, Sara’s body language was definitely rigid; she was being thrown in the lions den and knew it and no one (but libs) can blame her for that, however, she gets huge kudos for her FIRST media interview on a left leaning (far leaning) network! Hahahahahahaha!
She’d be right at home at Fox, where normal people roam.
Not that she’d ever get recognition for this from the left, but I’d like to hear the left answer as to why Obammie won’t go to interviews with “right wingers”.
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:39 am 6:39 am
staniam:
Perhaps there’s a little of both in all of us, it’s when (like everything else) it goes to the extreme that we blog. LOL!
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:42 am 6:42 am
Hey Susan in erupe:
You’d better thank GOD for the USA, otherwise you’d be speaking German. In the name of God and YOUR freedom, Americans perished.
And, your “talking point” of how much America is hated makes me yawn. There are many times more who love this place, ask the Mexicans, they’re jumpin over here all the time.
And, thank you for STAYING in erupe.
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:48 am 6:48 am
obamamama
yea some nut on Jake Tappers thread was trying to beat me over the head with stuff all night that is propaganda by Obamas people Im not goign to listen because I have the ability to tell who whos lying and whos not and whats relevant
Posted by: staniam | September 12, 2008, 6:52 am 6:52 am
holy smokes!! she is really dumb, I am no genius but even I know the Bush Doctrine = first strike if there is a threat. Wow! She just pumped out memorized sound bites and hoped her pretty hair and “golly gee” responses glossed over her stupdity.
Posted by: Leslie PASkus | September 12, 2008, 6:53 am 6:53 am
The Republicans have yet to show Palin is a qualified VP. Well, she’s obviously not.
It’s funny reading the comments trying to defend her…”Charlie was mean”…i.e.: “Why didn’t he ask about being a hocky mom?” He didn’t even let her bring out her kids for a photo op”
Too FUNNY! At least someone should have vetted the GOP VP choice. Thanks ABC for showing the nation the frightening choice that the GOP has offered us!
Posted by: Palin should be a comedian | September 12, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am
What an outstanding appearance by this entirely qualified candidate, Sarah Palin. It’s clear to see why in choosing his Vice President John McCain decided to go with experience over substance. In fact, and as you all know, his choice for V.P. has more experience then the top of the Democratic Ticket!
That said, no question that Palin is entirely suited to serve as Vice President and if necessary, President of our country!
Excellent interview without the shuck and jive!
Posted by: Sensiblefella | September 12, 2008, 6:54 am 6:54 am
Governor: Rod Blagojevich (D) Illinois, stuck up for Palin, saying that she has enough experience to be a vp. He said she is the executive of a State, that it is more experience than being a Senator, that a Senator’s decision making is part of a team. A Governor has to make the decisions themselves, and is responsible for every person in that state. Pissed off a lot of the obots!
Posted by: Democrat No More | September 12, 2008, 6:55 am 6:55 am
There is a lot to like and admire about Sarah Palin, but the interview revealed some troubling aspects.
In the very first question, Palin revealed that she could have confidence about something without any reference whatsoever to facts. When the issue in question is her performance in an untested situation, that confidence is over the top. It means she is full of herself.
Confidence is absolutely required for success in any endeavor, but that confidence must not be divorced completely from reality (see: George W. Bush). Gov. Palin clearly was coached to avoid any semblance of doubt by GOP handlers who make a science of manipulating voter reactions.
Also troubling was Palin’s attempt to twist her “our task is from God” into “I don’t know if the task is from God”, and “our plan for Iraq is God’s plan” into “I believe there is a plan for this world”. Palin was more than ready for this challenge and others from Charlie. Can there be any doubt that this question was one for which her handlers prepared her thoroughly? They’re banking on most people never actually watching the video of her at Wasilla Assembly of God and seeing how at odds her presentation there was with what she represented during the interview.
Posted by: Gil Gamesh | September 12, 2008, 6:57 am 6:57 am
hahaha, we know what “golly gee” means. It means, “well duh, Charlie!, you think I’m not on to you and your liberal agenda?”
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 6:58 am 6:58 am
GOVERNOR PALIN WAS FANTASTIC.
SHE IS SMART, TOUGH AND GENUINE.
GO SARAH!
Posted by: John Pen | September 12, 2008, 7:00 am 7:00 am
HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A MOSLEM RADICAL!!!!!!
YOU CANT MAKE ME BILIEVE OTHERWISE! YOU CAN’T MAKE ME!
Posted by: NOBAMA NOBAMA | September 12, 2008, 7:01 am 7:01 am
How many different explanations of the Bush Doctrine there have been over the years.
Even ABC’s own people have said it means at least 5 different things. Even Gibson himslef said it means something else than he now says it means.
Here’s Gibson in Sept, 2001:
September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON: The president in his speech last night, very forceful. Four out of five Americans watched it. Everybody gathered around the television set last night. The president issued a series of demands to the Taliban, already rejected. We’ll get to that in a moment. He also outlined what is being called the Bush Doctrine, a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.
September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON: Senator Daschle, let me start with you. People were looking for a Bush Doctrine. They may have found it when he said the war on terror will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped or defeated. That’s pretty broad. Broader than you expected?
But Gibson last night says it was ennunciated in Sept 2002 and means we have the right to anticpatory self defense.
Hmm. In 2001, a yr before it was “ennunciated in Sept, 2002″ Gibson was saying it means that “all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated”
Why does that sound familiar?
last night:
PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation
compare Gibson’s description of the Bush Doctrine in 2001 to Palin’s last night
“all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated”
vs
“rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation”
It’s virtually the same thing
Gibson even broadened it by saying all terrorists not just Islamic ones.
So, Palin was right, Gibson was wrong and he’s diagreeing with what he himself said. What a joke.
Also, the post shows how just about everyone one ABC news had their own explanation of what the Bush Doctrine is. Jennings, Gibson, George Will, Bob Woodward, Stephanopoplous. They all disagreed on what it meant.
Posted by: pecos | September 12, 2008, 7:04 am 7:04 am
What do you get if you cross Barack Obama and Sarah Palin?
(Just for a moment of civility.)
The Obamanable Snowman.
(Or snowlady. Or snowpitbull. Or whatever.)
Posted by: Jill Gamesh | September 12, 2008, 7:05 am 7:05 am
I don’t blink because then I might have to THINK!
Posted by: Sarah P | September 12, 2008, 7:05 am 7:05 am
Charley Gipson was very unfair and tried to intimidate Palin in this interview. I agree, he should have been tough on her….we have to see if she has what it takes….but….to intentionally try to demean her was not right! All in all, I think Palin did an excellent job in the interview and put Charley in his place.
McCain/Palin 08!
“Country First!”
Posted by: david from texas | September 12, 2008, 7:05 am 7:05 am
It’s not just experience; it’s intellectual curiosity. She has never even thought about this stuff. She admitted she’s never thought much about Iraq, even though it’s the defining foreign policy issue of our time. She has no clue what the Bush Doctrine is even though it is a cornerstone of Neo-Conservative policy. And in one interview, she threatened war with Russia (Russia!). And she gave Israel permission to bomb Iran (Iran!).
Throughout thee entire interview you could see her straining to remember the memorized answers given to her by her tutors. Her selection as the nominee is shockingly reckless and is truly dangerous for America.
Posted by: ElodieStClair | September 12, 2008, 7:06 am 7:06 am
Did you see the new signs everywhere?
SARAH PALIN: BUSH WITH A BUSH
Posted by: Jill Gamesh | September 12, 2008, 7:07 am 7:07 am
YOU CANT MAKE ME BILIEVE OTHERWISE! YOU CAN’T MAKE ME!
====
it’s spelled believe
and Obama is not a Muslim (a word you also misspelled)
We know that the word Muslim is your code for a nasty racial reference.
Posted by: Gus | September 12, 2008, 7:08 am 7:08 am
For everyone saying that there is no such thing as the bush doctrine. It doesn’t matter. Palin first tried to “guess” what it was and said it was Bush’s World View. Then Gibson explained to her what he thought it was, and asked if she agreed. She still fumbled around. Doesn’t McCain promote straight talk all the time? She needs to take some notes from her Presidential candidate because she weakly spun every answer.
Posted by: Drew | September 12, 2008, 7:10 am 7:10 am
I think the problem we are having here, is that DemWits are trying to say Palin is the same as Bush. McCain/Palin have intentionally distanced themselves from Bush, however, Obama Bin Lyin is becoming more aligned with Bush everyday. Give it up, DemWits, NoBama is going to lose in November!
Posted by: Will | September 12, 2008, 7:11 am 7:11 am
Keep trying to spin a PATHETIC interview into something good. Sarah Pitbull Palin is heading back to AK with her tail between her legs.
People are upset that she’s not at all what they wanted you to believe. You mean they overhyped her abilities? Duh.
America saw the intrview. She’s been afraid to do others and it’s obvious why. It’s not any media bias, it’s Palin’s lack of credibility and knowledge that showed.
The answers she did give are just plain frightening. NO WAY, NO HOW, NO McCAIN/PALIN.
Posted by: Truth Hurts | September 12, 2008, 7:11 am 7:11 am
Governor Sarah Palin has more executive experience than Senator Barack Hussein Obama, Joseph Biden or John S. McCain combined. I would rather be voteing her President than Vice President, but this year I will have to settle for V.P.
Governor Palin currently has an 80% favorable rating in the State of Alaska while Obama, Biden and McCain are members of a U.S. Congress that has a 9% favorable rating.
The Governor has experience making executive decisions. Governor Palin, a strong, proven leader, is a committed Christian, wife and mother. She is more American than Barack Hussein Obama will ever be.
I pray God will deliver us from the public school educated, American Idol watching, socialist crowd who have no use for the American Flag except as a handwipe. They won’t even sing the National Anthem correctly.
Voting for self admitted muslim, Barack Hussein Obama, for President today would be like voting for the son of Adolph Hitler in 1944. You just don’t vote for someone who is aligned with the enemy…if you care about your Country.
Charlie Gibson’s interview did nothing to sway the thinking of Governor Palin’s true supporters. B.O.’s supporters are a lost cause not worth a second thought.
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 12, 2008, 7:11 am 7:11 am
Gil, now see, that’s the sad part about “handlers” that she’s probably not used to. She said something fresh and real and from her heart, but when it comes to dealing with the LIBERAL media, she has to be “coached”, too bad.
Did you guys hear Obama across the sea in his “uh squared 10″ speech?
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 7:12 am 7:12 am
This is my view! This interview was nothing more than a chance for ABC to try and find some more fault in Sara Palin. So that they can Help Obama win the Election,just as most media are trying to do. I don’t understand why that the woman of this country don’t hit the streets in protest against thouse who are trying to ruin this woman’s chance to run for Vice President. When they have the one chance to have the first Lady in such a powerful position that could further their wants and needs. They just set and watch her be Tared and feathered by anyone who wants too do so in the Media. And thouse of you who disagree with me, I ask you to answer this? Do you think that this would be the way that Machiel Obama or Opra would be treated by the Media if they were running for Vice President. They would be handled with kid gloves. Think about it!
Posted by: Fred | September 12, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am
…I’d pretty much say he is unqualified to be in the #2 spot, let alone #1 based on that. It’s about 7 or 8 minutes of uh, uh, uh – seriously
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am
Truth Hurts….if you really want to see a lack of knowledge, the interview NoBama had with Bill O’Reilly was very telling. Obama uhmm…aah….hmmm….all the way thru the interview and O’Reilly kept it coming at this bigot liar. I loved watching the idiot NoBama falter and fall flat on his face!
Posted by: Will | September 12, 2008, 7:13 am 7:13 am
I would like to see the same kind of tone used in an interview with Joe Biden. Where are the conservative media folks? Oops, I guess they don’t exist. I’ve been a big fan of Charlie’s since his GMA days, but was very disappointed in his lack of respect for Governor Palin. He doesn’t have to agree with her; however, he should have the decency to respect her.
Posted by: Jane | September 12, 2008, 7:15 am 7:15 am
O’Reilly had Obama on the ropes. I was loving it. Even NoBama had to agree that the surge worked. He is absolutely the most stupid candidate EVER running for President. Its going to be fun watching him give his concession speech to President John McCain!
Posted by: Will | September 12, 2008, 7:16 am 7:16 am
If you remember when Clinton debated Obama and Gipson was the moderator, he was very rude to Obama, just like he was with Palin. I think Gipson is trying to make a name for himself…the problem is, is that he is stupid! He tried to trip Obama up in the debate, just like he did with Palin. This interview, just like the debate, was not for the American people, but for Charley Gipson in all of his arrogance, to try and make a name for himself.
Posted by: david from texas | September 12, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am
WhenElephantsFly:
Yip, Sara meets your qualifications by being Governor of a State. Far above anything I have done…YOU?
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 7:23 am 7:23 am
The Bush Doctine is what? an opinion. Not a document.If Gibson asked her her thoughts on the Texas Rangers is she supposed to know that too?
Posted by: Swanky | September 12, 2008, 7:24 am 7:24 am
Sundance44 you are a TRUE American, you are what this country needs in powerful positions!
Posted by: Fred | September 12, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am
Gus, go away. Go like to Russia or Canada or Mexico.
You say: “We know that the word Muslim is your code for a nasty racial reference.”
ROFLMBO! Straight from the extreme left radical blogs, just like your candidate who gets his policy from Keith Olberman. Guess you missed Obama referring to himself as Muslim in the Stephanopolous interview, eh?
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 7:26 am 7:26 am
david from Texas:
GIBSON GI B SON GIBSON GIBSON
Posted by: obamamama | September 12, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am
At least Gov. Palin gave honest answeres to the questions.
Obama is never asked difficult questions.
The network news reporters, AP reporters, newspaper/magazine writers are all supporting Obama.
They always throw softball questions at him.
They allow him 5 minutes to stutter and stammer and to look up and down as if searching for an answer.
After all his pontificating nobody realizes he hasn’t answered the question.
Posted by: Mike | September 12, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am
The BUSH DOCTRINE is a MEDIA MYTH..they made it up! Palin CAN BE PRESIDENT SHE IS SMARTER AN MORE EXPERIENCED THAN BO!!
Poor Obuma could never answer any question in less than 20 minutes, he is a legend in his own mind!
I am reminded of what Obama said to Letterman the other night:
“She is a phenomenon. Take it from someone who used to be on the covers of Newsweek and Time. Now, popular Mechanics called about maybe doing a spread”
And Sardi gives me the table next to the kitchen,,,and the bouncers of the cool clubs….
It’s OK, Barack…You’ll always have Paris…Or Britney…Or…Berlin?
THR MRDIA IS PO’D B/C THEY HAVE WORKED SO HARD TO GET AND KEEP BO PUMPED UP!
Posted by: HP Boston | September 12, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am
John, knowing when life begins is above all of our paygrades, unless your willing to push your beliefs upon someone else and force them to accept them. Thats wouldnt be freedom. Thats not gonna happen in this country that I love.
Posted by: Bobba | September 12, 2008, 7:29 am 7:29 am
I’m sad for this country if Palin is the best running mate the Republicans can find. The job of VP is not a (learn as you go position). I have family that have ran for office on the Republican ticket and won’t vote this year due to McCain’s choice. What was he thinking? Does she know what the word hubris means? I want her to answer the hard questions and answer them with intelligence. The job of VP is not one of a cheerleader! Palin should have known what the Bush doctrine said and if she didn’t she should have excused herself by asking instead of being hubris! She needs some experience and qualifacations in order to assume such a powerful position. This country is over 400 trillion in debt are currency is losing value by the day and we now have a level of poverty that we havn’t seen in decades. I’m terrified that my children will be the (new poor) because they won’t be able to make enough money to put a roof over their heads and feed their own family. This country is drowning and they sent someone (Palin) in to save us who can’t swim. Palin get off the cross somebody needs the wood.
Posted by: jah55 | September 12, 2008, 7:31 am 7:31 am
Yeah, I support the BUSH DOCTRINE too. Every time that darn thing gets out of control, I hot wax it into history. Hot wax always preempts that nasty Bush…You go girl!!!
Posted by: Maggy M'Gill | September 12, 2008, 7:33 am 7:33 am
NO ONE AT ABC NEWS KNOWS WHAT THE BUSH DOCTRINE IS: September 21, 2001 CHARLIE GIBSON DIDN’T KNOW: Senator Daschle, let me start with you. People were looking for a Bush Doctrine. They may have found it when he said the war on terror will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped or defeated. That’s pretty broad. Broader than you expected?
December 9, 2001 GEORGE WILL DIDN’T KNOW: The Bush doctrine holds that anyone who governs a territory is complicit in any terrorism that issues from that territory. That covers the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Second, the war on terrorism is indivisible, it’s part of the Bush doctrine.
September 20, 2001 PETER JENNINGS DIDN’T KNOW: . . . Claire, the president said at one point, ‘From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.’ Should we be taking that as the Bush doctrine? CLAIRE SHIPMAN reporting: I think so, Peter,
December 11, 2001 GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS DIDN’T KNOW: Two years ago, September 1999, Bush gave his first speech when he was running about terrorism. And his first–had the first explanation of the Bush doctrine, that if you harbor a terrorist, you’re going to be attacked. The Bush White House is putting this out, saying it shows that Bush was very prescient, but that was only one speech given in the campaign.
January 28, 2002 BOB WOODWARD DIDN’T KNOW: This is now the Bush Doctrine . . . , namely that if we’re attacked by terrorists, we will not just go after those terrorists but the countries or the people who harbor them.
January 29, 2002 GEORGE STEPHANOPOULOS DIDN’T KNOW: It was striking and significant that the president really expanded the Bush doctrine. If a nation builds a weapon of mass destruction–Iraq, Iran or North Korea–we will reserve the right to take out those weapons even if we’re not attacked or even if there’s not a threat.
March 19, 2004 TERRY MORAN DIDN’T KNOW: That was the Bush doctrine we just heard. On this one-year anniversary of the invasion of Iraq, President Bush offered a very broad justification of American leadership in the world under him since 9/11. Not just since one year in Iraq. For American voters as an argument that the country is safer, but more as you point out, for the world, which has been divided by his leadership, that Iraq is knit, in his mind, very firmly into that war on terrorism. One omission which I believe will be noted around the world, he made no mention of the role of multilateral institutions, the UN and others, in this fight against terrorism. In his mind, it’s clear it’s American leadership with others following along.
May 7, 2006 GEORGE WILL DIDN’T KNOW: Now the argument from the right is the CIA is a rogue agent because it has not subscribed to the Bush doctrine. The Bush doctrine being that American security depends on the spread of democracy and we know how to do that. The trouble is, Negroponte, who is considered by some of these conservatives the villain here and an enemy of the Bush doctrine is the choice of Bush, which makes Bush an insufficient subscriber to the Bush doctrine.
Posted by: richasis | September 12, 2008, 7:36 am 7:36 am
As an Alaskan I’m ashamed by such an inept representation of my state on a national stage. Those of you in the lower 48 and Hawaii, please know that not all Alaskans are as uneducated and ill informed about foreign policy.
Posted by: alaskanaturist | September 12, 2008, 7:37 am 7:37 am
HEY I JUST HEARD THAT OBAMA PLANS TO MAKE KENYA AS THE 51st STATE OF THE UNION. He wants his relatives to be in the inauguration and take their oath of citizenship after he takes his.
Posted by: ZOILODEL | September 12, 2008, 7:37 am 7:37 am
Hello, Truth Hurts. Are you what is called a Left Wing Extremist ?
Posted by: Fred | September 12, 2008, 7:37 am 7:37 am
Republicans, in complaining about Palin getting one tough interview, you are engaging in actions that are deeply unpatriotic. McCain, Obama, and Biden have been harshly vetted for several years. It is our duty as Americans to demand that people running for our highest offices are vetted. Yet, you whine about wanting Palin to be treated with kid gloves and coddled. Republicans, you are unpatriotic. No one who loves this country could complain about tough questions being asked of would-be leaders.
Posted by: ElodieStClair | September 12, 2008, 7:38 am 7:38 am
Now, it shows that McCain/Palin is not a third term Bush. If McCain/Palin is trying to follow Bush then they must know and understand his doctrine. No third-term Bush with McCain/Palin. How can your repeat something you know nothing about….
Posted by: Quincy | September 12, 2008, 7:38 am 7:38 am
I support alaskanaturist for McCains vp. Can we just substitute one alsakan for another? Can we?!!
Posted by: Bobba | September 12, 2008, 7:40 am 7:40 am
Did anyone notice that Michelle Obama was present to show her respect for the 9/11 event? All the Cindy, Laura, others were there but her. She should have attended. This was a very important event to show that she does not hate America and show respect to the 9/11. There no excuse for her not attending. Poor judgement on her and Obama.
Posted by: rick22reed | September 12, 2008, 7:40 am 7:40 am
ZOILODEl!! hahAHA You are so amusing! Gosh, I didnt realize the KKK had comedians in their group. I guess anybody could be one of em…
Posted by: Bobba | September 12, 2008, 7:43 am 7:43 am
Actually, it was Charlie who got the “Bush doctrine” wrong. We invaded Afganistan after the Taliban attacked us first. Anticipatory self-defense was an argument for invasion of Iraq. But this was done in conjuntion with the 22 UN Resolutions. As Gibson wrongly explained it, the “Bush ” doctrine justifies unilateral attacks against countries threatening the interests of the US. That is closer to the position of Obama when he proposed invading Pakistan.
Gibson only showed his own ignorance.
PPalin did fine.
Posted by: murphy stone | September 12, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am
Quincy: Good Gov. Palin did not know about Bush’s doctrine. She can walk in her own foot steps not Bush.
Posted by: Linda | September 12, 2008, 7:46 am 7:46 am
Are the Republicans making it a habit of going wild over “leaders” who have little or no knowledge of how the world works? We’ve had eight years of that, and this woman is a radical. NO! NO! NO Palin/McCain!
Posted by: Hakori | September 12, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am
McCain/Palin have intentionally distanced themselves from Bush
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Gee, ever wonder why?
Mr Maverick caved in and changed his position on multiple issues to get his party’s nomination. He a “eformed maverick not a “maverick reformer”.
McCain didn’t even pick his own running mate. He wanted Liberman. He was TOLD to pick Palin. That is EXACTLY what Geroge Bush has done for eight years…exactly what he was told to do by Cheney.
Palin? She’s read ONE speech written by BUSH speechwriters. That’s about it. She’s been repeating the same lines like a parrot with “maverick”, but was afraid to talk to any press. After 2 weeks of “preparing”, she does ONE interview. She had a list of obviously rehearsed canned responses, an serious lack of knowledge, and did not instill ANY confidence when she finally did answer. Knee jerk military resonses, reactionary diplomacy, and generic Carl Rove rhetoric doesn’t play well in the lower 48! (Heard it works wonder in the OIL FIELDS of Alaska though. We love our leadership to be tight with oil companies – it’s been great!)
The GOP has a candidate who graduated in the BOTTOM 1% of his class and VP candidate who has a jouralism degree. One is 72 and has had cancer. The other is seriously inept for the job.
Posted by: truth hurts | September 12, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am
Obama never proposed invading Paistan. You are a great big fibber murphy stone. That is what makes you a fibber for all that you have said. Obama advocated attacking terrorists inside Pakistan, and then miraculously, Bush then does exactly the same thing!
Posted by: Jo | September 12, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am
Bush has a doctrine?…..who knew….LOL
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am
[She had a "moose in the headlights look."]
Maybe a “pitbull in the headlights” look?
Posted by: digweed | September 12, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am
URGENT NEWS!!!
There is a Zoophile-Rights revolution under way in Europe and it’s approaching our shores!
Imagine that!
There’s a Documentary about them, called COMING SOON, that they’re streaming for free at http://www.comingsoon.cz.
Watch it and do something before it’s too late!!!
Spread the word!!!
G-d bless us all!!!
Posted by: Paul Mitchell | September 12, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am
Uhhhhhhhh. Help me, I don’t know what’s the Bush Doctrine. I’ll give you a vague answer, in hopes of you explaining it to me Charlie. I am a woman, so please be nice to me Charlie Gibson, otherwise I will make sure the McCain Campaign sends out a press release to everyone accusing you of being sexist. Sarah Palin had no idea of the Bush Doctrine, and yet the GOP want to claim she has more experience than John McCain. Sure. Someone needs to get ruthless with this chick and show all of her mistakes. If she wants to roll up the sleeves and talk trash, then treat her like a man. I bet she won’t be giving any network interviews anytime soon. She was horrible last night.
Posted by: Frederick Masterson | September 12, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am
Note to Zoildel: Don’t you mean the 58th State? Remember B.O. thinks there are 57 States in the Union. Could he be thinking of the 57 States mentioned in the Koran?
Note to Alaskanaturist: I think you have a Governor who does a fine job representing your state. I hope she won’t be your Governor after November, but will be moving to Washington, DC. I have looked in the Constitution and I can’t find any reference to “knowledge of foreign policy” being a requirement to be President or Vice-President.
Note to Fred: Thanks for the kind words. You also represent all that is good about America.
Note to all True Americans: Be strong, be resolved and we will see a victory for Senator McCain and Governor Palin in November!
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 12, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am
Charley Gibson cites the so-called Bush doctrine using military force when a strike is imminent when in reality it should be called the Franklin Delano Roosevelt FDR doctrine.
Four days after Japan attacked at Pearl Harbor, Congress passed a declaration of war against Germany on December 11, 1941. Congress had passed a declaration of war against Japan the day after Pearl Harbor attack on December 7, 1941. Germany had not attacked the United States but was allied under the Axis Pact with Japan and posed an immediate threat to the United States. Our war effort and strategy during the early years of World War II was to defeat Nazi Germany and then go after Japan. Germany was considered the stronger threat and therefore it was appropriate to beat Germany before Japan was ultimately forced to surrender. The so-called Bush doctrine is a continuation of FDR successful strategy of winning World War II.
Posted by: politicsandtraditions | September 12, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am
Governor Sarah Palin supports John McCain in the fight against terrorism and his support for our efforts and the surge in Iraq.
Some Democratic leaders including Obama but not Joe Leiberman have asked what have we accomplished in Iraq?
John McCain was right in his support for the Iraq surge. Iraq today is in relative peace and is no longer hostile to the United States. Iraq is currently producing two and a half million barrels of oil a day and is capable of producing four and half million barrels a day. At $120 one hundred and twenty dollars a barrel Iraq has current oil revenues of $300 three hundred million dollars a day. Those revenues can grow to $500 million dollars a day with increased production. Thanks to the John McCain support of the war and the surge $300 million dollars a day are not being funneled to enemies of the United States to support terrorism around the world and to buy missiles and nuclear weapons that can be used against the United States. With an income stream of three hundred million dollars a day, Iraq was capable of purchasing hundreds of nuclear weapons. Our current progress with North Korea on nuclear issues is a result of cutting off the money flow and purchase of missiles and nuclear technology from North Korea to Iraq.
Posted by: politicsandtraditions | September 12, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am
It was a good question for her and I am glad she did not subscribes to Bush doctrine, much better she did not understand it. McCain picks someone that have no relationship to Bush and his dirty people. Good job McCain, I like her answer and how she played it down. It she had subscribed to Bush doctrine then the media and the other-side would have been talking about how much she is like Bush.
Posted by: jjj | September 12, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am
Waaahmbulance, Have your heard our current president speak? At least Obama thinks before he speaks.
Posted by: NikkiB | September 12, 2008, 8:03 am 8:03 am
Amazing how the Obamabots start firing out against the Sarah Palin interview with Charlie Gibson…
Other than a few snippets provided by ABC, how many of the Obama lynch mob have actually watched or heard the interview (as it airs tonight in entirety)?
Typical Obamabot desperation.
While I probably will not agree with some of Sarah’s positions on foreign policy, I will at least watch and listen before I approve and condemn.
As for Obama, the man who has been spending his waking moments in attack mode because of his fear of Sarah Palin…
From the time Obama was first sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged a total of 143 days of experience in the Senate.
During that time, Obama requested an average of over $1,000,000.00 per day in earmarks for “pork barrel” projects.
143… That’s how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.
After 143 days of work experience, Obama believes he is ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.
143 days.
It’s an Obamination…
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | September 12, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am
Note to Sundance44: I will vote Obama, and I am a True American. I love how some people think that unless you vote the same as them you are unpatriotic. What imbeciles! Thank you very much for your hate.
Posted by: Jo | September 12, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am
What you guys are not realizing is that it is not a matter of whether or not EVERYDAY people are the ones that know the Bush Doctrine. The point is being made that Palin…who is running for VP of the USA DOES NOT KNOW IT!! Trying to claim a title like that she should KNOW that…even if there are a number of aspects to it. If other members of the goverment know this then so should see. No one is expecting the ENTIRE WORLD to know every aspect of the Bush Doctrine.
Posted by: Sharene | September 12, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am
Jayhawk: For a while I was thinking Obama will be our next President but now I can not see it. I received an email from Amazon track America’s Political Book Buying. I noticed that large number of states are reading Obama Nations. I strongly feel he will not win based on the high percentage of states and readers of Obama Nations.
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 8:10 am 8:10 am
Well Gosh Sharene, she was like, just asked and stuff. OMG, she was like just minding her own business, accepting alot of pork for her state, when this guy comes along and wants her to like, go be V.P. and stuff. She had like, no time to Booooone up on these policy thingys. Just give her 6 years or so and she will ready to goooo. M’kay?
Posted by: Jo | September 12, 2008, 8:11 am 8:11 am
“Liar, Krugman of NYT, blasts McCain With the Truth”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/12/01115/6334/278/595686
Republicans Hijacked 911, by Keith Olberman, Courage to Speak Truth!
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/09/special-commen...
How many more Journalists & Reporters will show courage and begin to do their duty and Inform the public as to truth and falsity? We should never again be lied into a False & Phony war by a President you want to have a beer with! Republicans strong on National Security? I don’t think so, after all 911 happened on their watch, but they have been allowed to distort the facts and public perception that it is the Democrats who are weak on national security! They have failed to properly enact the 911 Commissions recommendations which would make us a lot safer! Politicans who willfully and intentionally lie to the public are engaged in a betrayal of the public trust and such distortion should be deemed unethical and in some cases, criminal! We need a Media to be the third-wheel of democracy again and not a parrot of those who are corrupt, unless they are corrupt too!
Republicans are just as dismal on economics. It is an outrage or should be that the government can give millions of dollars to CEO’s from the failed Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac and yet, cannot give a second stimulus check to American citizens in these hard economic times? Republicans say No to a second stimulus while the Democrats say Yes to a second stimulus! Is the Republican Congress working for CEO’s or are they working for you, the people? We need a Government and a Congress to work for the People, not lie to the people, not bail out their own special interest groups and leave the people hanging. We need a government to put the burden of taxes on the rich where they belong and stop putting the tax burdens on the middle class and poor, those who can least afford it. We need a government who will put money into education and make that a national priority again, both lower and higher education and give more Pell Grants and less loans so that young people can once again achieve a higher education, get a good job and lift everybody up out of poverty. We need action and not more spin, talk and lies. We need a Congress who will vote Yes to bridges, roads, schools, health care. Who will invest in America and not in Iraq and in themselves and their special interest groups. America is dying. We need Change!
Posted by: Angellight | September 12, 2008, 8:12 am 8:12 am
Hypocrites!!!!!
“I understand that President Musharraf has his own challenges. But let me make this clear. There are terrorists holed up in those mountains who murdered 3,000 Americans. They are plotting to strike again. It was a terrible mistake to fail to act when we had a chance to take out an al Qaeda leadership meeting in 2005. If we have actionable intelligence about high-value terrorist targets and President Musharraf won’t act, we will.” Sen Obama
Posted by: Rob | September 12, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am
For those who don’t know what the Bush doctrine is, let me explain that I did. ANYONE with a keen interest in Foreign policy most certainly would.
Years from now it will be taught in school alongside the Monroe Doctrine.
To not know what it is, is disgraceful and embarrassing. I do agree though that the majority of Americans would fail that test too.
But that doesn’t make it right. The majority of Americans couldn’t point out Russia on a map, either.
But anyone running for president should know current events and history.
Posted by: Steve T | September 12, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am
Jayhawk: For a while I was thinking Obama will be our next President but now I can not see it. I received an email from Amazon track America’s Political Book Buying. I noticed that large number of states are reading Obama Nations. I strongly feel he will not win based on the high percentage of states and readers of Obama Nations. http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/ref=pe_32390_10299530_fe_img_1/?docId=1000261611
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am
the most PATHETIC thing about this is that gibson asked MCCAIN the SAME EXACT QUESTION during the republican debate earlier this year!!! in the EXACT same context, in which mccain answered with ease! had the mccain team coached palin properly like thye SHOULD HAVE on whut types of questions gibson was going to ask her…they should have given her the video of that debate for her to watch!! it’s inexcuseable for her NOT TO KNOW the bush doctrine which is one of the most controversial doctrines of bush’ term as president which he used as an excuse as to why WE should INVADE IRAQ!!! it’s inexcuseable
Posted by: gluv | September 12, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am
What a joke. John you said you would
surround yourself with the best people
to guide your admistration. Well if
she is a example of the people you
will pick to run our country then
my support is going to the other party.
Posted by: thewhat | September 12, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am
All of Palins top advisers traveling with her for 13 days are directly from and spent years in the Bush white house.
she is a scary hand puppet of McCain.
watch in the coming weeks they will not split up as all campaigns do.
McCain hides behind her to draw crouds -pitiful. And she leans on him because McCain will hide her from votore & media questions.
SCARY
Posted by: watching | September 12, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
Is this Sarah Palin really Dustin Hoffman as Tootsie again? She seems like a female impersonator. Is this true or am I just dreaming? I know Alaska is filled with Doodle Bars, but come on folks this is a female version of Bush. Knucklehead number Two.
Posted by: Tom Thumb | September 12, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am
Sarah was correct in asking for more specificity. This isn’t “trivial pursuit” . The question should have been: How will a McCain / Palin administration differ from the Bush Doctrine of preemptive military strikes? Travel abroad and meet heads of state? How many Women in America have had that opportunity ? It looks like Palin is being dressed down by men who always get those opportunities.
Posted by: disillusioned2008 | September 12, 2008, 8:25 am 8:25 am
Christie, some whining. The GOP hand picked Charlie cause they thought he would be easy on Palin. He did his job. She’s running for VP not the PTO. And I don’t know what you were watching last night, but the only one avoiding the questions was McCain. I was keeping tabs and the only question Obama didn’t answer directly was the one about Palin making fun of community organizers. I guess you don’t recognize class when you see it!
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am
“nukular” ha, ha, ha, that’s funny. I thought nobody else noticed.
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am
Unclear? She doesn’t seem to know the term. I guess since she hasn’t been paying attention to the war in IRAQ it’s understandable that she doesn’t understand the policiy of her party.
Posted by: ohiogal | September 12, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
Did anyone notice that Michelle Obama was present to show her respect for the 9/11 event? All the Cindy, Laura, others were there but her. She should have attended. This was a very important event to show that she does not hate America and show respect to the 9/11. There no excuse for her not attending. Poor judgement on her and Obama.
Posted by: rick22reed | September 12, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Oh these desperate Obama supporters who continue to forget that they have zero argument when it comes to foreign policy experience, and qualifications. Obamas has NONE. You guys are getting all excited as if anybody believed Palin would be able to answer every question on foreign policy. NEWSFLASH!!! She is a Governor of Alaska, not a member of the Bush administration. Palin does however have the rest of the package, and she will be briefed and schooled on foreign policy each day. Obama on the other hand has no foreign policy experience, nor does he have the executive experience. He has never made decisions that affect a city or state, never balanced a budget, never weilded veto power. But he has sure secured about a billlion dollars in earmarks in his short tenure as a jr senator. HIs wifes hospital, and fathers plegers radical left church were just a couple of the very questionable earmarks he asked for. Then there is the 14,000,000 taxpayer dollars he helped now convicted Rezko secure for a doomed to fail project. I certainly do not want Obama making decisions that affect my life. No way Nobama.
Posted by: Badger | September 12, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am
Did anyone notice that Michelle Obama was present to show her respect for the 9/11 event? All the Cindy, Laura, others were there but her. She should have attended. This was a very important event to show that she does not hate America and show respect to the 9/11. There no excuse for her not attending. Poor judgement on her and Obama.
Posted by: rick22reed | Sep 12, 2008 7:40:39 AM
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The only ones who did not notice was the MSM!! Also Bo strutted around like the actor he is as if on a campaign stop!! No words Obama? No teleprompter available?? You and your not proud of America wife (was she off with lover boy WRIGHT?) are a disgrace, no respect on 9/11!!!! Not even for your comrades who flew the planes???
Posted by: HP Boston | September 12, 2008, 8:33 am 8:33 am
Hi Sarah,
Have Cindy get you online and look up “bush doctrine”. I’ve provided a link in case you’re with John and you can’t figure out the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
:) Ohiogal
Posted by: ohiogal | September 12, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am
HP Boston: Michelle Obama was in Chicago taking her girls to school. Sorry for Sarah, she probably missed the first day of school.
Posted by: ohiogal | September 12, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
Women are more interactive and conversational than men. Men pose questions with “men answer” expectations. They should have picked a woman to do the interview.
Posted by: disillusioned2008 | September 12, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am
WHAT DOES [NATIONAL RESOURCES] HAVE TO DO WITH [NATIONAL DEFENSE] ?
ABSOLUTELY…NOTHING !!!!
GEORGE W. MCCAIN, HAS ANOTHER TOUGH TALKER IN HIS FEMALE VP NOMINEE…
THERE WOULD NEVER BE AN INVASION OF RUSSIA….NEVER
IT WOULD BE SUICIDE FOR US !!!
THE CHINESE FACTOR OR ELIMENT THAT IS BEING LEFT OUT OF THE EQUATION.
THERE COULD BE NO INVASION ONTO AMERICAN SOIL AS WELL BY THE RUSSIANS…
WELL, ONLY ALASKA !!!
AN IF PALIN KEEPS YACKING…THE RUSSIANS WILL CHALLENGE HER ON THAT CALL !!!
THE VENEZUELAN PRESIDENT HAS ASKED THAT OUR USA AMBASSADOR TO LEAVE THEIR COUNTRY AND THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING TO CUBA AS WELL.
THAT B!TCH PALIN AN GEORGE W. MCCAIN ARE PROOF POSITIVE…
THAT THEY WOULD CAUSE… THE [1ST NUCLEAR WORLD WAR] !!!
WE ARE SPREAD OUT PAPER THIN AS IT IS, WITH IRAQ & AFGHANISTAN….
IMAGINE THE CASUALTIES…IMAGINE THE CASUALTIES !!!
I’M A NEOPHYTE AND REALIZE WITHOUT FULL SUPPORT BY OUR ONCE U.S. “DEVOTED” W. EUROPEAN PARTNERS, WE ARE DOOMED !!!
MAN OH MAN …THAT SARAH PALIN AND GEORGE W. MCCAIN ARE PURE 100% NUTS !!!
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Posted by: K. | September 12, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
I wasn’t at the 911 ceremony either. It’s probably because I have a job and so does Mrs. Obama. She does have children who she takes care of and not a nanny. Give it a break.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am
Russia and China hold Joint Military Exercise
The Associated PressPublished: (August 17, 2007)
http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/08/17/europe/EU-GEN-Russia-China-Maneuvers.php
It would be [Nuclear World war 1]
Srah Palin: Invade or Attack Russia !!!
Note: We will get our A!! Kicked !!! Look at our 5 YEARS in Iraq & Afghanistan….
And you THINK we can Handle Russia & China …WRONG!!!
Big Note: Obama is Right, we need to get Europe back on Our Side, oopsed to hating us or being Unconcerned with us, as a War Mongering Nation.
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Europe will Not Support a John McCain Presidency and what it would bring to their Nations….Sorry
CHEBARKUL TESTING RANGE, Russia: President Vladimir Putin said Friday he had ordered strategic bombers to resume regular long-range patrols as Russian and Chinese forces held their first joint military exercise on Russian soil — a show of armed muscle aimed at sending a pointed message to the United States.
The resumption of bombing patrols, which analysts say signaled a significant change for Russian military policy, comes amid a growing chill in U.S.-Russian relations, strained over Washingtons criticism of Russias democracy record, Moscows objections to U.S. missile defense plans and differences over global crises.
Both Moscow and Beijing share a heightening distrust of what they see as the United States oversized role and influence in global politics, and the two former Cold War rivals have forged a “strategic partnership” aimed at counterbalancing Washingtons policies.
The Russian-Chinese war games, which took place near the Urals Mountain city of Chelyabinsk, coincided with Russian air force maneuvers involving 20 strategic bombers which ranged far over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic oceans.
“We havent seen that kind of activity in a very long time,” Asak told The Associated Press. “Not since the early 1990s. It was quite impressive to see.”
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What does [Natural Resources] have to do with [National Security] ….
Nada, Nothing, Zilch, Zero……
Not a Damn Thing !!!
The B!tch does not Know Anything about [Natural Resources] The Lower 48 States, Recieves only 3,5% of our Oil from ALASKA !!!! Not 20% !!!
We are More Dependent on Canada’s Oil than we are the Saudi’s !!!
The B!tch does not Know that either, unless she’s Reading this Comment, This Morning !!!!
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Big Note: Canada remained the Largest Exporter of total petroleum in April, exporting 2.476 million barrels per day to the United States, which is a decrease from last month (2.542 thousand barrels per day).
Note: The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Saudi Arabia with 1.462 million barrels per day.
Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
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Drill all You want, You can`t produce the Oil these Countries provide, nor will you see a drop in price at the gas pumps.
CANADA 1,952 1,795 1,902 1,909 1,846
SAUDI ARABIA 1,453 1,535 1,519 1,458 1,358
MEXICO 1,259 1,232 1,230 1,460 1,471
NIGERIA 1,115 1,154 1,105 891 1,089
VENEZUELA 1,019 858 990 1,182 1,070
IRAQ 679 773 693 562 488
ANGOLA 579 384 469 514 556
ALGERIA 393 247 300 530 495
BRAZIL 201 188 182 175 174
KUWAIT 176 199 218 126 187
ECUADOR 160 231 203 159 200
COLOMBIA 149 135 168 79 100
CHAD 133 101 110 80 76
RUSSIA 106 108 77 269 137
LIBYA 85 75 68 45 56
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Crude Oil Imports (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
April 2008 Import Highlights: June 13, 2008
Preliminary monthly data on the origins of crude oil imports in April 2008 has been released and it shows that two countries exported more than 1.50 million barrels per day to the United States.
The top five exporting countries accounted for 69 percent of United States crude oil imports in April while the top ten sources accounted for approximately 89 percent of all U.S. crude oil imports.
The top sources of US crude oil imports for April were Canada (1.952 million barrels per day), Saudi Arabia (1.453 million barrels per day), Mexico (1.259 million barrels per day), Nigeria (1.115 million barrels per day), and Venezuela (1.019 million barrels per day).
The rest of the top ten sources, in order, were Iraq (0.679 million barrels per day), Angola (0.579 million barrels per day), Algeria (0.393 million barrels per day), Brazil (0.201 million barrels per day), and Kuwait (0.176 million barrels per day).
Total crude oil imports averaged 9.921 million barrels per day in April.
Canada remained the Largest Exporter of total petroleum in April, exporting 2.476 million barrels per day to the United States, which is a decrease from last month (2.542 thousand barrels per day).
Note: The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Saudi Arabia with 1.462 million barrels per day.
Total Imports of Petroleum (Top 15 Countries)
(Thousand Barrels per Day)
Posted by: K. | September 12, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
It was noticed this morning that the interview of Palin was edited by ABC. Most of your answers were cut from the tape. You can see the full tape on Nightline.
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am
“nukular” ha, ha, ha, that’s funny. I thought nobody else noticed.
Posted by: Idunno | Sep 12, 2008 8:30:02 AM
Yeah…she’s Bush in a dress, glasses and lipstick….lol.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am
totally clueless, misinformed, unguided. for all of you whining that Charlie Gibson was too tough, you can’t have it both ways. sorry he didn’t stick to fluff questions like “do you like moose stew” “what shade of lipstick do you wear”
the point remains, when asked direct questions, she not only blinked but answered totally different.
What in the world does your energy credential have to do with national security question?
its like Charlie gibson is asking her if she eats brocolli and she’s going on and on about how tomato is really a fruit and not a vegetable
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
Obama Biden 2008
p.s. she pronounces Nuclear the same way our current village idiot does.
uncanny.
Posted by: voter in PA | September 12, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am
That’s ridiculous. A woman can’t answer a question from a man and vice versa? Spare me the Men are from mars…blah…blah…blah Look – she was asked a question and whether you saw something in the tone or not that does not change the correct answer does it?
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am
she was really bad in the interview. she showed that she thinks just like our idiot in chief we have now. we all know mccain is stupid just look up his record. we need to elect someone smart this time so vote for obama or suffer more failed government.
Posted by: tom | September 12, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am
Reed: Did anyone notice that Michelle Obama was present to show her respect for the 9/11 event? All the Cindy, Laura, others were there but her. She should have attended. This was a very important event to show that she does not hate America and show respect to the 9/11. There no excuse for her not attending. Poor judgement on her and Obama.
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Michelle was having tea with Oprah.
Posted by: suzy | September 12, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
she didn’t know what the doctrine was…
pretty obvious that this renegade studied what she thought they would ask and not everything that is required when running for a high office in the whitehouse.
i blame the gop/rnc on that mistake.
i think charlie did a very good job and was more than gentle with this candidate.
nobody can scream’unpatriotic’ within this interview, he was excellent.
but i believe it was obvious to me and probably obvious to alot of elderly veterans who din’t really like mccain as their choice and though sarah might be a good choice as v.p., that their hopes are diminishing after this interview.
romney and/or pawlenty would of been
much better versed on these issues and it was apparent that gov. palin’s world exists in alaskan borders and nowhere else…
john, i like you but this choice was not the best choice for your party…
Posted by: hemnebob | September 12, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
a nation gets what it deserves,the election is not a beauty contest.it only shows if mccain drops dead u have a group of bush people advicing her,what did she say about the economy?palin is political pandering just to be in the news why cant peolpe see that
Posted by: 4real | September 12, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Sarah Palin handled that interview expertly. I like the ‘Charlie’ stabs. Sarah knows that a free market driven, profit driven economy powered by real energy is key for success. She also knows that our enemies need to understand that they will be wiped out. Obama on the other hand has NO idea what a free a market economy is. He’s idea for success is big government programs for everything. He also want to play footsie-footsie with our enemies. To put it mildly, Obama is an idiot.
Posted by: Norman | September 12, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
Charlie Gibson acted like a thug instead of a reporter. Palin stood her ground and didn’t take the bait. As a Puma Pac member and ex-Democrat, I will happily cast my vote for McCain/Palin.
Who in the heck gave the MSM the right to throw this election for Cupcake? It is the American public that is doing their work. Where are the 30 investigators in Chicago looking into Rezko, Ayers, ACORN, Emil Jones Jr., and the caucus fraud?
Charlie Gibson go back to your pod!
Posted by: yoga82 | Sep 12, 2008 2:17:52 AM
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Exactly…I vote for Palin, she is more experienced to be PRESIDENT than Obuma.
He can not close the deal he is whining to Bill and Hillary now. Help me!! HELP!! I need HELP!
John and Sarah are so much better than babycakes! I will not vote foe ONE dam dem this time, I am glad I droped the DNC for real presidential material!
PUMA POWER!
Posted by: HP Boston | September 12, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
If I were a female GOP politician and had been passed up for this – I would seriously consider starting a new branch of the party. I see this all the time at work. People all dressed up. They look the part, talk the talk, but are as intelligent as a bag of rocks.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Michelle Obama had time to dance like a rooster this week on the Ellen Show, but wasnt able to make an apearance in tribute to 911?
Posted by: Badger | September 12, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
The question for Sarah Palin and John McCain should be: “In your administration, will the NEOCONIC wing of the Republican Party have any influence or input into your decisions?” Put another way, will your policy making have even so much as a slight similarity with the NEOCONIC wing of the Republican Party? The second and most nasty “N” word in the American vocabulary…”NEOCON”!
Posted by: William Cutler | September 12, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am
Go one step further – don’t just vote for McCain/Palin switch parties all together. Are you in love with issues or this woman? If she were a man he would have been laughed off national television.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
tom: You have to look at the whole interview. The interview was edited and most of her answers were cut-out. ABC did not do her well for cutting most of her answers but the GOP did not help by not place “no editing” into the interview contract.
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
The question about the Bush Doctrine was a trap since every liberal has embedded their own interpretation and preconceptions about what it means. Palin was smart to get clearification before trying to answer that question.
Posted by: Charles Palmer | September 12, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Were you there Badger?
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
HP Boston: Michelle Obama was in Chicago taking her girls to school. Sorry for Sarah, she probably missed the first day of school.
Posted by: ohiogal | Sep 12, 2008 8:37:03 AM
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BS
Posted by: HP Boston | September 12, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
neocon– neonazi— republican… friends dont let friends vote republican.
Posted by: tom | September 12, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
Does anyone remember that skit Sam Kinnison used to do as a teacher and he called the one student “Stupid little Sarah”….lol. I think it was SNL.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
I honestly think that she didn’t understand the full implications of NATO membership question and Charlie had to define it for. Remarks like this from Repub Neocons simply emboldens our adversaries around the world. It is scary to think of this woman as commander in chief I think we’d be off to WWIII with Mccain’s temper and her lack of contemplation on global security issues.
Posted by: ohiogal | September 12, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
Have all you Obama supporters really been paying attention to what he is proposing for the United States if he is elected?
Socialism, Redistribution of the Wealth, bowing to the authority of the United Nations, forcing our Military to accept defeat in the Middle East.
That is not my idea of what this country is about.
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 12, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am
Barack Obama chair of the senate foreign relatons commitee on Afghanistan, has never attended one meeting, but stated that “we didnt have enough Arabic translators in Afghanistan because they are being used in Iraq”
THEY DONT SPEAK ARABIC IN AFGHANISTAN, BARACK!
At least Governor Sarah Palin knows that Iran is not a small country that poses no threat. Geeeez.
Posted by: Badger | September 12, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Why is it always that when someone asks Palin a question or even McCain, when they answer the question with a stupid answer the first response is… you didn’t ask Sen. Obama that question? All of you who think Sarah Palin did a fantastic job with the interview were going to vote for her anyway. And all of you who defend her with boring us with what the Doctrine is should have called her before her interview and gave her the answers. Good luck America, whoever is the President will need everyone’s support.
Posted by: Jessica | September 12, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
Now Michelle is a ROOSTER? Are you one of those who were SO UPSET TO TEARS that Palin was called a PIG? If you thought she did an excellent interview, then fine. Let it speak for itself. No need to defend it.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am
HP Boston: Michelle Obama was in Chicago taking her girls to school. Sorry for Sarah, she probably missed the first day of school.
Posted by: ohiogal | Sep 12, 2008 8:37:03 AM
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BS
Posted by: HP Boston | Sep 12, 2008 8:56:22 AM
Well where was Sarah? She wasn’t there either. See how stupid that is?
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am
The Bush Doctrine is: 8 years of screwing the American people with failed policies on healthcare, economics, foreign policy and starting and not finishing two wars. Didnt’ yo momma ever tell you, if you start a fight you better finish it…. come on Palinites… do you really want this woman running our country?
Posted by: marygarychild | September 12, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am
Posted by: Sundance 44 | Sep 12, 2008 8:58:40 AM
You must be one of those bomb everybody people. There should be a redistribution of wealth from the filthy rich to the middle class.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Yesterday, Sarah was giving a speech and saying good by to our soldier as they leave to war.
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
I find it funny that Obama was asked ZERO hard questions early in his campaign. Sure he can answer them now after two years of campaigning, but had he been asked any of the questions Palin was asked early you would never have voted for him.
Obama kicks off his candidacy on Oprah.
Palin kicks off her candicacy on ABC, being thrown to the vipers.
The woman has stones! The mere fact that ABC used ‘clipped’ out of context video to highlight their e-articles shows a tremendous bias. The fact that they misquote her in the headlines saying “holy war” shows a bias.
Good for Palin for mentioning God. So did Reagan, and JFK, and FDR, etc. Only recently has it become a ‘bad word’.
Obama talks the talk but her can’t walk the walk. When the time comes to make a decision, Obama, you CAN’T VOTE PRESENT!! I guess he’ll have to get Biden to help him out. Of course, Biden thinks Hillary would make a better President… Maybe they’ll all have a conference call, or do an e-poll. LOL
McCain-Palin all the way!
Posted by: Another voter in PA | September 12, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Did anyone notice that Michelle Obama was present to show her respect for the 9/11 event? All the Cindy, Laura, others were there but her. She should have attended. This was a very important event to show that she does not hate America and show respect to the 9/11. There no excuse for her not attending. Poor judgement on her and Obama.
Posted by: rick22reed | September 12, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
I have been a GMA and Charles Gibson fan for over 10 years and after listening to GMA this morning and hearing clips from the interview I lost a good deal of respect for Mr. Gibson and GMA. I used to think he conduct fairly unbiased interviews before today. The questions were fine, it was the way they were asked and to tone of voice used. It was more like a lawyer’s interrogation of a witness. Gibson didn’t use the same tone in his Obama interview and he let Obama get away without answer several questions. And, GMA calling her answer about meeting heads of state a “false” answer was just wrong. First, she said she had not met any. Second, they only compared living former VPs. Then just listing her answer that Russia can be seen from Alaska as “true” was belittling on balance. When James Carville was more unbiased then Como this morning GMA hit another low point. It is obvious that Gibson and Como want to derail McCain/Palin. How many heads of state did Carter meet with before running for President? If any, were the meetings dinner parties or did he have substantive discussion about anything when he was Governor. By the way Mr. Gibson, when you interview Biden I assume you will ask why so few democrats want him to ever become president, as shown by his failed run for president in 1988 and capturing less than 1% of the vote in Iowa this year while running for president?
Posted by: GrandDadBuzz | September 12, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
Willie – she was saying goodbye to her son and Michelle was taking care of her family. Neither should be an issue.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
sundance— well the last 8 years it has been take from the poor and working class and give to the rich like it always is under republican rule, so i say yes i want to take from the rich and give to the poor and working class.
Posted by: tom | September 12, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
3 things; 1 -Has anyone ever asked Nobama if he was ready to be president? If you use the Medias descripiton aas to readiness for the office in respect to Sarah Palin’s readiness then Nobama doesn’t meet the mark as well! 2 – Since Websters has multiple meanings to the term Bush Doctrine Gov. Palin was correct in requesting that Gibson define his question, he wanted an answer ti a specfic part. If she would have just said yes than he would have said to all of it? And then all you libs would have been crying about the same thing. 3 – Third for all of you referencing Matt Damon, if you apply his words and just change Palin to Nobama and the word hockey mom to community organizer you would finethat the isn’t a difference! What yes there is Palin id running for Vice-President NOT President
Posted by: Rich | September 12, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
It was a good question for her and I am glad she did not subscribes to Bush doctrine, much better she did not understand it. McCain picks someone that have no relationship to Bush and his dirty people. Good job McCain, I like her answer and how she played it down. It she had subscribed to Bush doctrine then the media and the other-side would have been talking about how much she is like Bush.
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I agreed. Now, they can not call McCain/Palin a Bush third-term
Posted by: jjj | September 12, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
Were you there Rick?
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
Yesterday, Sarah was giving a speech and saying good by to our soldier as they leave to war.
Posted by: willie | Sep 12, 2008 9:03:35 AM
That is only because it was her son. I bet she wouldnt’ have otherwise.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
How can you legitimately AGREE or DISAGREE to something you don’t know? An honest straight talker would have asked for clarification instead of beating around the Bush and faking an answer. She gets no credit for that.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
Why do you idiots keep asking where Michelle was when you know darn well where she was. Were you there? NO! People can honor the victims from anywhere. God you people annoy me.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
If Webster’s has THREE definitions then why could she not articulate at least ONE? Stop spinning – she didn’t know. Move on.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
I asked 10 coworkers, and none of them knew what The Bush Doctrine meant. That was a typical attempt by a big name liberal to trap a conservative.
Posted by: dbc-ga | September 12, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
I asked 10 coworkers, and none of them knew what The Bush Doctrine meant. That was a typical attempt by a big name liberal to trap a conservative.
Posted by: dbc-ga | September 12, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am
jjj, I agree. The TREMENDOUS bias in the news just spins this garbage so far into Obama’s court it isn’t funny.
Obama himself in 2004 said he didn’t have the experience to be President. I guess those 143 working days as a US Senator voting PRESENT really prepped him for the Oval Office.
And you gotta love his overwhelming acceptance in Germany. Over a hundred thousand people show up to see Obama!… And the two rock bands between which he made his appearance. Yup, NOW THAT IS FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE! (Insert sarcasm here)
If Obama has to struggle to compare himself to Palin, he isn’t fit to tie McCain’s shoes.
Posted by: Another voter in PA | September 12, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am
Maybe Charlie should have asked her what she would do if Moose attacked us. That’s more up her alley.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:14 am 9:14 am
Are your coworkers running as VP? Are they trying to convince the American electorate that we should place our futures in their hand? She is – big difference.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
AllergicToSpinAndLies: It is a big issue. Her fat a@@@@ should have attended with Obama. And, you do not know what she was going. We know what Palin was doing. Gov Palin was giving a Govern speech to our boy/girl that were leaving to war. Plus, the showcase was for the potential presidents and family to show their respect before taking office. The media is saying Michelle was dancing on a talk show. No respect and this woman shows she still hate America.
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
asked 10 coworkers, and none of them knew what The Bush Doctrine meant. That was a typical attempt by a big name liberal to trap a conservative.
Posted by: dbc-ga | Sep 12, 2008 9:12:18 AM
10 dumb Republicans perhaps?
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
The media is saying Michelle was dancing on a talk show. No respect and this woman shows she still hate America.
Posted by: willie | Sep 12, 2008 9:15:53 AM
You people lie like a rug. That was taped a either last week or the week before, quite yer lying.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Willie – I didn’t ask you to describe Mrs Obama’s bosy. I asked if YOU WERE THERE since YOU think it was important to physically be present. I’ll ASK AGAIN…WERE YOU THERE? 911 is not a SHOWCASE. It is not a political TOOL. You don’t give a speech tosay goodbye to someone going to war. Trust me – it’s so much more of a personal parting. STOP the spin. You’re making me dizzy.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am
Yesterday, Sarah was giving a speech and saying good by to our soldier as they leave to war.
Posted by: willie | Sep 12, 2008 9:03:35 AM
That is only because it was her son. I bet she wouldnt’ have otherwise.
j: did you know she is a governor of Alaska and it is one of her responsibility and duties to the state of Alaska. Such as a community organizer, a The governor has many responsibilities for running a state. Please go to your state office and ask your governor his/her roles and responsibilities of running your state, you may be very surprise.
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Note to Tom: How did that work out for you guys in the Soviet Union, North Korea, and Red China?
If you want to get rich, get a job. No one I know who is listed as “rich” got that way on government handouts.
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 12, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
AllergicToSpinAndLies, she did ask him to clarify. I suggest re-watch it. Palin was correct in asking him to clarify the question.
What’s more important? the Republican VP nonmineeasking Gibson to clarify his question or the Democrat Pres nominee not knowing how many States there are in the U.S.?
I could be obtuse and make a big deal of his lack of geographical knowledge of his OWN COUNTRY but I think we all need to realize that these candidates are expected to answer these questions on the fly and they mean nothing when it comes to the offices they are striving for.
When in office they will have time to think for more than 3 seconds, have advisors, and a better understanding of real situations because of context. Anyone with half a brain should realize this.
Posted by: Another voter in PA | September 12, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am
Weird how the only peaple defending Palin do it by attacking Obama, often with lies about his policies and background. That says all we need to know, that republicans have become more interested in personal attacks and their strawman enemies than in the health and security of our country. I liked McCain in 2000 and was willing to give him a chance, but picking Palin was a pure throw to the flat earth fringe of the right wing, inexperienced in national politics and economics.
Obama 08
Posted by: rapchat | September 12, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
PA …I saw that portion of the interview. And yes…she did ask for clarification and STILL did not answer correctly. I guess she should have asked for additional clarifcation or just said simply – I do not know. That shows humility. No big deal, right.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am
j: did you know she is a governor of Alaska and it is one of her responsibility and duties to the state of Alaska. Such as a community organizer, a The governor has many responsibilities for running a state. Please go to your state office and ask your governor his/her roles and responsibilities of running your state, you may be very surprise.
Posted by: willie | Sep 12, 2008 9:23:18 AM
My Governor Ed Rendell actually does something for a large state. Why is it so important for you that Michelle Obama be present in NY? You don’t have to physically be there to honor the people who died.
IF it was that important to you why aren’t you asking the same question of Princess Palin. If that wasn’t her son I doubt she would have went back. Michelle Obama is not running for POTUS or VP. I am glad she takes an interest in her kids.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am
BTW – nothing makes a poster sound more like a stupid partisan than repeating the lame “57 states” misspeak by Obama, particularly after we have had Bush butcher basic English for 8 years.
Posted by: rapchat | September 12, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am
Did anyone notice that Michelle Obama was present to show her respect for the 9/11 event? All the Cindy, Laura, others were there but her. She should have attended. This was a very important event to show that she does not hate America and show respect to the 9/11. There no excuse for her not attending. Poor judgement on her and Obama.
Posted by: rick22reed | September 12, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
Michell still hate America and dancing on a talk show but could not attend the 9/11 event with Obama.
Posted by: j | September 12, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
let me clarify a little more for all those who insist Gibson ripped her another a-hole , for lack of a better word.
remember the HRC and BHO debates? yes, that one facilitated by Charlie and stephNOpaulous. i remember distinctly people saying that the first 45 minutes was all fair in love and war. that they had a right to grill him, back to back, on personal questions that had nothing to do with policy. Now you’re whining because this Wasilla airheaded Bimbo whose never met a foreign dignatary and who as little as a month ago admitted herself that she “was more focused at home and not paying attention to Iraq”, is being asked unfair questions?
GET REAL.
he asked all the pertinent questions, no fluff, no ****.
she failed, miserably.
Posted by: voter in pa | September 12, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
let me clarify a little more for all those who insist Gibson ripped her another a-hole , for lack of a better word.
remember the HRC and BHO debates? yes, that one facilitated by Charlie and stephNOpaulous. i remember distinctly people saying that the first 45 minutes was all fair in love and war. that they had a right to grill him, back to back, on personal questions that had nothing to do with policy. Now you’re whining because this Wasilla airheaded Bimbo whose never met a foreign dignatary and who as little as a month ago admitted herself that she “was more focused at home and not paying attention to Iraq”, is being asked unfair questions?
GET REAL.
he asked all the pertinent questions, no fluff, no ****.
she failed, miserably.
Posted by: voter in pa | September 12, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
BTW – nothing makes a poster sound more like a stupid partisan than repeating the lame “57 states” misspeak by Obama, particularly after we have had Bush butcher basic English for 8 years.
Posted by: rapchat | Sep 12, 2008 9:29:09 AM
At least he had an excuse being on the campaign trail for how many months. She’s been on the campaign trail what, 2 weeks….lol
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
Rick – that is YOUR opinion. And I’m going to ask you AGAIN as well. WERE YOU THERE? Does that make YOU DISREPSCTFUL? Did you make it to PA? The Pentagon? Think about the hypocrisy.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Michell still hate America and dancing on a talk show but could not attend the 9/11 event with Obama.
Posted by: j | Sep 12, 2008 9:31:25 AM
Ummm nice try you idiot.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
I know many agree with me when i say that I CANNOT WAIT until the vice presidential debates! i might even host a watching party to witness Biden wipe the floor with her inept self. :) -
Obama/Biden 2008.
Posted by: voter in PA | September 12, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Did anyone notice that Michelle Obama was present to show her respect for the 9/11 event? All the Cindy, Laura, others were there but her. She should have attended. This was a very important event to show that she does not hate America and show respect to the 9/11. There no excuse for her not attending. Poor judgement on her and Obama.
Posted by: rick22reed | Sep 12, 2008 9:30:10 AM
Hi my name is Rick and I keep asking the same stupid question over and over again.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
To everyone who thinks Gibson was unfair, this is what he DID NOT ask her about:
The Bridge to Nowhere
Troopergate
Wanting to fire the town librarian
Claiming time at home as travel expense
All thoses passes and she STILL couldn’t pull it off.
Posted by: voter in PA | September 12, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
@ Another voter in PA
that’s the POINT! obama had two years of vetting…by now you either like him or you don’t for president, but you DO know who he is and his background more than some need to know…
we got only 55 or so days LEFT and palin is too BRAND NEW…..everybody wants to know EVERYTHING about her and time is short….the question still remains that if mccain was going to pick a female, which didn’t he pick someone that’s PROVEN to be more qualified? palin has no clue on national security and foreign policy, and her uncomfortability shows that she doesn’t. know anything related to ALASKA she knows hands down…but the united states isn’t just alaskan values and morals. her inexperience on a national level clearly showed last night
Posted by: gluv | September 12, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
Hey Obamites, Is this REALLY a unified party?
HILLARY CLINTON:I know Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience he will bring to the White House. And Senator Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.
BILL CLINTON:This whole thing is the biggest fairy tale I’ve ever seen,”
“I think that they played the race card on me. And we now know, from memos from the campaign and everything that they planned to do it all along,” Bill Clinton said in a telephone interview with WHYY’s Susan Phillips. “I was stating a fact, and it’s still a fact.”
SEN. BIDEN: John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain.
SEN BIDEN: Hillary may have been a better choice than me
Posted by: Badger | September 12, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
AllergicToSpinAndLies: I was in New York with my family saying good by tp our my friend that died on that sad day. And, Michelle was not present.
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Rick – that is YOUR opinion. And I’m going to ask you AGAIN as well. WERE YOU THERE? Does that make YOU DISREPSCTFUL? Did you make it to PA? The Pentagon? Think about the hypocrisy.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | Sep 12, 2008 9:33:05 AM
No he’s one of those Republican trolls that can’t talk about issues, instead they have to resort to smearing tactics.
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
I have PERSONALLY attended the funeral services of 13 of our fallen soldiers. I know it’s not much, but it is all that I could afford to attend. I have no disrespect for those where I could not. How many have you attended? How many has our President attended? Please stop the spin and hypocrisy. This election is as much about ourselves as it is about the candidates themselves. Is it not?
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
AllergicToSpinAndLies: I was in New York with my family saying good by to our friend that died on that sad day. And, Michelle was not present.
Posted by: willie | September 12, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am
To everyone who thinks Gibson was unfair, this is what he DID NOT ask her about:
The Bridge to Nowhere
Troopergate
Wanting to fire the town librarian
Claiming time at home as travel expense
All thoses passes and she STILL couldn’t pull it off.
Posted by: voter in PA | September 12, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
Willie – after did you fly to PA and the Pentagon? No – you chose to honor your friend. You made a personal choice to honor in a way that was appropriate for you and your circumstances. We ALL made similar decisions and it has nothing to do with POLITICS.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | Sep 12, 2008 9:39:24 AM
Well said!
Posted by: J | September 12, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
Mrs. Palin blew it. As a Republican, I was hoping she’d at least demonstrate some critical thinking abilities (something sorely lacking in my party today). All she gave us was scripted talking points, which only work when you have a vague notion of what you’re talking about.
The Bush Doctrine is something that ANYONE running for national office should understand. Period. The fact that she didn’t know what it means is disturbing (to put it mildly). As Mr. Gibson explained, it means preemptive self-defense. The problem with the doctrine is that it completely overturns 200+ years of war policy in this nation.
We shouldn’t sit back and just wait to get attacked. But we also shouldn’t go off half-cocked and invade every nation that *might* someday pose a threat to us. That’s the truest definition of the Bush Doctrine, and that’s where traditional Republicans like myself have a big problem with it. We’ll find “enemies” everywhere if we keep employing that policy.
Ms. Palin seemed to waver a bit, not knowing quite how to respond, especially when she used the word “imminent.” Does she not realize that word alone would have kept us out of Iraq, which never posed an IMMINENT threat to us? The qualification of “imminent” would also keep us out of a conflict with Iran, something which might upset her running mate.
Perhaps Mrs. Palin is fine with us going to war if she believes God approves of it. But sadly, she would seem to share the same philosophy as the Blues Brothers–who also believed they were “on a mission from God”. As I said, she blew it.
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am
GIBSON: Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?
PALIN: In what respect, Charlie?
GIBSON: The Bush — well, what do you — what do you interpret it to be?
PALIN: His world view.
GIBSON: No, the Bush doctrine, enunciated September 2002, before the Iraq war.
PALIN: I believe that what President Bush has attempted to do is rid this world of Islamic extremism, terrorists who are hell bent on destroying our nation. There have been blunders along the way, though. There have been mistakes made. And with new leadership, and that’s the beauty of American elections, of course, and democracy, is with new leadership comes opportunity to do things better.
GIBSON: The Bush doctrine, as I understand it, is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense, that we have the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us. Do you agree with that?”
ABC-you are lying. Gibson asked for her interpretation. She gave it. Gibson asks the question AFTER Palin answers. Palin’s answer is fine. Bush was talking about fighting terrorism.
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
There’s a difference between knowing what Bush’s policies are and knowing what the media appointed term for them is. C’mon… “The Bush Doctrine”? Why don’t you enlighten the masses Charlie… Chris?? Keith?????
Oh – that’s right. We’re too busy picking apart the sex lives of pregnant teenagers and the audacity of a working mother who aspires to change the face of politics.
The Bush Doctrine is something my daughter will study because she’s to young to understand what she’s living. But it’s something we live and understand because it has unfolded before us.
Rhetoric is to justice what cookery is to medicine. – Socrates.
Posted by: Beth | September 12, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
The discussion of “anticipatory self-defense” began with Gibson asking: “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”
“In what respect, Charlie?” asked Palin.
Gibson explained that he was asking if she agrees with President Bush that the United States has “the right to a preemptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us.”
The Alaska governor did not directly answer the question.
Gibson did not directly ASK the question.
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
Did Gibson even listen to her answer? He did not even address what she said.
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am
Charlie Gibson blew it. I can’t belive he makes so much money. Read the “Doctrine” on the State Department website. It is very lengthy and obviously Palin knows more about it than Charlie. Someone gave him that question and he asked it as a “gottcha” and it blew up in his smug face. When she asked “what part?” he really looked like the unprepared one in that interview. He has obviously not read it.
Posted by: AL tenn | September 12, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am
this is not a direct question?
Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?
Cmon
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/07/obama-clinton-w.html
ABC News’ Rick Klein Reports: Sen. Barack Obama lobbed another verbal grenade at Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton on Thursday, continuing a feud that first erupted at Monday night’s Democratic presidential debate.
In a conference call with reporters, Obama said Clinton would continue the “Bush doctrine” of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States
ABC report from July 2007.
OBAMA IS CLUELESS ABOUT THE BUSH DOCTRINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
speaking to leaders of rogue nations????
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
J.,
let me get this straight, B.O. does not know how many states are in the Union and he is qualified to be President?
What color is the sky in your world?
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 12, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Better yet – I’ll just wait for her explanation of what she thought she was being asked. I thought it was a fair question. That’s just me.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
In a conference call with reporters, Obama said Clinton would continue the “Bush doctrine” of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States
Well is Obama right? Is that the “Bush Doctrine” Pass it on!
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
In a conference call with reporters, Obama said Clinton would continue the “Bush doctrine” of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States
Well is Obama right? Is that the “Bush Doctrine” Pass it on!
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
I guess context has no value. Where is the entire conference call? The whole truth and nothing but the truth. That’s what is missing in American politics – an oath.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
If your child came home with a bad test grade would you accept as an excuse that the questions and teachers were unfair? Or would you encourage them to do better next time? Seriously – why was Gibson chosen to be the interviewer?
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
“For those who don’t know what the Bush doctrine is, let me explain that I did. ANYONE with a keen interest in Foreign policy most certainly would”
Steve T,
OBAMA doesn’t know.
Obama said Clinton would continue the “Bush doctrine” of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
you missed the bigger point..she DIDNT KNOW what the bush doctrine is…she had no idea until he explained it…wake up america..
We are awake. OBAMA doesn’t know!!!!
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
This is ridiculous! _Gibson_ didn’t know what the so-called “Bush Doctrine” is!! Few do, because it has no precise definition. Palin had already clearly answered his extremely vague question, and he repeated it because he was the one who was confused. Nice try, Gibson, trying to trip Palin up (as you should try to do), but you couldn’t, and I sure hope it didn’t sadden you that the attempt failed as such failed attempts do most of the leftist/liberal media.
Posted by: hlc08 | September 12, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
I admit to being disappointed at Mr. Gibson’s question about the amorphous Bush Doctrine and expecting a specific answer. It’s kind of like asking “How about those Packers?” The definition of the “doctrine” has morphed more than once. Was he referring to the original statement, the Security Council document, or the national strategy updates from 2006, or some of the “accepted” variations? Or some other facet of national policy? It was a sinister question and he knew it. Gov Palin didn’t get it and her response was, at best, poor to an unanswerable question. How sad it is that exchanges like this are considered to be part of our election process.
Posted by: Allen Johnson | September 12, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
If all she had to do was strike the gavel at congressional sessions, she would be TOTALLY qualified, however, it takes more than that to protect the U.S. from terrorists.
SHE’S A TOKEN WOMAN ON MCCAIN’S TICKET TO ATTRACT OTHER WOMEN!!
You know it, and I know it!!
Posted by: Desert Storm Veteran | September 12, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
Palin should be asked tough questions. My problem with Charlie, who obviously hates Palin, would never ask Obama a tough question. I think in 2 weeks on scene she is better at Bull SH… than Barack! and he’s had 2 years of practice. He was awful last night on that Cloumbia forum. McCain was very comfortable with his identity and answered the lame questions directly. Obama could not resist being nasty, and again without realizing it projected the fact that he hates America. in that regard he is authentic. wears it on his sleeve.
Posted by: AL TENN | September 12, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Reminds me of that Rollins Band song…
Cause she’s a lier a lier she’ll rip your soul out!
Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Gil Gamesh: Thanks for the intelligent post. Some of these posts make me think that trailer trash living in the backwoods actually own computers now.
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
First, I want to remind people that Wikipedia is NOT the be all and end all of anything – merely an information starting point and is not considered as a citable source for high schools and colleges. And the Bush Doctrine is a term, perhaps coined by Mother Jones, which if you Google you’ll find thousands of references to in many media, educational and published sources and even at http://www.whitehouse.org, and builds on the terms the “Truman Doctrine” (containment of the enemy – USSR back then), the “Reagan Doctrine” (supporting Freedom Fighters across the globe), and now the Bush doctrine (preemptive strikes), so the term is not a new one, but merely easier to use that it’s actual title “National Security Strategy of the United States,” which it is most commonly referring to. The term has been around since about 2001, and is used often by the media, pundits, and strategists from both sides to mean the preemptive strike issue. It took me all of about 2 minutes to find this bit of history out – do your homework – this is an important election no matter which party or set of ideals you subscribe to and we all need to understand what is being discussed.
Posted by: thehouseai | September 12, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
Wake up America!! The whole world is watching the pathetic Palin crap show. Enough of this you fools. Palin is a moose shooter, sick cocky wacko and she needs to be stopped. Stupid too!!! She is no Hillary. George Washington is rolling over in his grave. My god this is like a bad Disney movie people.
Americans need to take control and STOP THE MADNESS FOR OUR CHILDREN’S SAKE.
Let’s give her enough rope to …..
Anyone have any porn from this old pathetic right wing broad? Yuk that is a disgusting visual nevermind GOD BLESS AMERICANS
Posted by: disgusted wioth Pali show | September 12, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
Even though be preped for weeks by the Bush cronies, she still didn’t have a clue about Bush’s (National Strategy??)But this was no where to be seen in this article by ABC. I think Gibson finally came through but ABC lets us down.
It is also scarry that we would go to war with Russia (wwIII) for a Georgia or some other teeny country that we don’t know about.
Posted by: Steve Illinois | September 12, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
So wouldn’t that mean Obama knows what the Bush doctrine is geevil? I mean if he said that Hillary would coninue it? Just point out your BS line of argument. Lets face it you can put lipstick on a turd but its still a turd.. A good looking one but thats all she is.
Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008, 11:01 am 11:01 am
And Russia was acting to help those people after the Gorgians bombed the crap out of that region. The united states would have done the same thing Russia did only we have the Gorgian lobbiest up our butts
Posted by: Joe | September 12, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
“In a conference call with reporters, Obama said Clinton would continue the “Bush doctrine” of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States”
Here is Obama’s definition of the “Bush Doctrine”. Not even close as Jake Tapper might say. He doesn’t know.
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am
Bush bashers unite! You can follow your Messiah into the holyland called Europe where he has 80% support rating. You can rest forever on government handouts, living in government housing, eating rainbow stew and drinking green bubbleup.
I’ll stay here in the U.S.A. I think Bush has done a good job and I’m looking forward to President McCain and Vice-President Palin making America even better over the next 8 years.
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 12, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
I watched the Palin interview clips last night. It was exactly like watching George Bush in drag, except Palin was less intelligent.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am
Posted by: cincyr | Sep 12, 2008 12:59:57 AM:
“Or maybe they just told her, when in doubt, repeat over and over, “radical Islamic extremists”.
You noticed that too?? She repeated it so many times I got worried and started looking under my furniture for these Islamic terrorists. Obviously her “tutors” told her to throw that out there if she didn’t know the answer, in hopes of distracting the audience. They are trying to use the same old fear tactics this time around, hoping if they layer on enough terrorism cr@p, the public will fall for it again, and won’t notice until it’s too late that they elected McGeezer and McBarbie.
Posted by: BMS | September 12, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am
Sundance 44: If you actually think Bush has done a good job, you’re a part of a very small minority–even among Republicans.
I can’t stand Obama, but if we’re going to burn through billions of dollars, I say we do it here at home. No hand-outs to Georgia, or Iraq, or Pakistan, or any other foreign country. I’m a Republican, and for the life of me, I can’t understand why some Republicans see nothing wrong with the wholesale transfer of American tax dollars TO FOREIGNERS.
That’s far worse than socialism.
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am
Come on, give me a break. Sarah Palin is a total B-SER! She is trying to gloss over, and act like she’s on top of her game. She’s on top of one thing – saying anything to ACT like she’s on it. When asked if she had any doubts when thinking about being a heart beat away from the Presidency…she says not at all! She’s not real, she’s phoney in this whole thing. Go back to Alaska and collect your earmarks. She is about as ready to be a heartbeat away to being the President as nothing. The Republicans are wise to try to control her exposure, and minimize her contact with the press and the public. It won’t take long to see this one unravel. Give Keith Oberman about 10 minutes with her. The game will be over! BS BS BS coming out her ears.
Posted by: Grant Tyler | September 12, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
Wow! I am amazed at the number of “True Believers” (see Eric Hoffer’s book) who apparently are incapable of objective analysis, but rather resort to smart__ __ __ retorts. I personally am a Classical Liberal Libertarian, not to be confused in any way with the Leftist “liberal” of today. I wish to see an improved future for the United States and the World–the principles of Classical Liberalism have a proven track record of doing just that. While more and more government is a recipe for disaster–again well documented in history. BO wants change: What exactly does he wish to change? How does he intend to accomplish the change? What does he see as the end result of his changes? BO has not seen fit to fill in the details. Are you BO supporters buying a pig-in-a-poke -with or without lipstick?
What exactly is BO’s world view–he is, after all, at the top of the D ticket.
BO has absolutely no executive experience. If you were on the hiring committee of an organization with 300 million members, and reviewed his resume, would you be able to dispassionately find BO in any way qualified?
Oh yes, most change must be enacted by legislation from Congress, where BO is currently 1 of 100 Senators. Of course, maybe BO plans to be KING and unilaterally ikmpose his view, whatever that is. Biden noted the omission of several issues from the Republican Convention. First, the convention was shortened so time was precious, but more importantly: when did the Federal Government become the first and last “solution” to all problems? If it is, then Socialism has prevailed: Government control of the lives in total of all the people.
By the way, who are the “rich”? A whole lot of Democrats are multi-millionaires (look at the Forbes lists at http://www.Forbes.com) and there are more democrats in Congress who are millionaires,than there are Republicans.
So the next time you hear Dems talking about the “rich”, ask yourself if they are really going to tax their own, or in someway carve out tax shelters for their friends. The IRS accepts voluntary contributions, do the Dems pay taxes without using deductions, or make voluntary contributions?
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am
“…there are more democrats in Congress who are millionaires,than there are Republicans.”
Yeah, that might be because there are more Democrats in Congress than Republicans, period. And more Republicans will be losing their seats in November.
Too bad, they won’t be able to mess up our great country like they have been doing for the last 8 years.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am
Hey TJeffersonian, this is a blog about Palin. Go to the Obama blog for Obama comments.
Thanks!
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Palin is really “palin” by comparison to Hillary Clinton, who would have been an excellent first female VP.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am
I knew the Bush doctrine had to do with first strike because I hated when it was announced. Felt it would drag us into a war and sure enough it has.
Besides , those who did not know are not running for vice-president.
She has to know much more about foreign affairs, basic economic terms, etc.
She was so scripted!
Who is the real Sarah Palin??
Posted by: johhnny | September 12, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am
Would Sarah Palin have started a war to free the slaves?
That’s what I thought too. Don’t vote for her then.
Posted by: AbrahamLincoln | September 12, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am
What a strange question for the reporter to ask…Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine? What is the Bush Doctrine? Did they ask Obama or Biden these same questions? Hardly a fair question, consdering that most politicians wouldn’t have a clue what this was. Did the media just make up this phrase at the last minute to throw Sarah Palin some kind of curve ball, with an off the wall question?
Just on another note…Have they asked all of these same questions of Biden? Or are they just grilling her like this because of her female gender? Hmmm…
Posted by: Norander | September 12, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am
All agree that John McCain has more experience than Barack Obama. However, some argue that Sarah Palin’s experience equals, or even surpasses Obama’s. This is false. When we construct a straightforward, unbiased measure of experience we find:
McCain is 5 times more experienced than Obama, and
Obama is 10 times more experienced than Palin.
Obama and Palin are not roughly equal: Obama’s experience advantage over Palin is larger than McCain’s over Obama.
Here is the reasoning behind these figures. We define experience as the total number of people governed times years in office. For mayors, governors, and presidents, the number of people governed is simply the population of the entity governed. For city council members, representatives, and senators, the number governed is the size of the entity governed divided by the number of fellow legislators.
We will use the following 2007 population estimates for simplicity, rather than the figures for each year someone was in office:
Population of U.S.: 301,139,947
Population of Illinois: 12,852,548
Population of Alaska: 683,478
Population of Wasilla: 9,780
Here is what the experience of each candidate would be in January 2009:
Joe Biden: 36 years U.S. Senate
John McCain: 4 years U.S. Rep.; 22 years U.S. Senate
Barack Obama: 8 years Illinois Senate; 4 years U.S. Senate
Sarah Palin: 4 years Wasilla city council; 6 years Wasilla mayor; 2 years Alaska Governor
There are 100 U.S. Senators, 435 U.S. reps, 57 Illinois senators, and (at a guess, which will not affect the outcome much) 5 Wasilla city council members. Therefore we get the following experience for each candidate:
Joe Biden: 36*(301,139,947/100) = 108,410,381
John McCain: 4*(301,139,947/435) + 22*(301,139,947/100) = 69,019,891
Barack Obama: 8*(12,852,548/57) + 4*(301,139,947/100) = 13,849,464
Sarah Palin: 4*(9,780/5) + 6*9,780 + 2*683,478 = 1,433,460
And thus,
Joe Biden is 1.6 times more experienced than John McCain.
John McCain is 5.0 times more experienced than Barack Obama.
Barack Obama is 9.7 times more experienced than Sarah Palin.
Posted by: Leesburg VA | September 12, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am
What a strange question for the reporter to ask…Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine? What is the Bush Doctrine? Did they ask Obama or Biden these same questions? Hardly a fair question, consdering that most politicians wouldn’t have a clue what this was. Did the media just make up this phrase at the last minute to throw Sarah Palin some kind of curve ball, with an off the wall question?
Just on another note…Have they asked all of these same questions of Biden? Or are they just grilling her like this because of her female gender? Hmmm…
Posted by: Norander | September 12, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Norander, if you think the Bush Doctrine is some obscure trivia item, then you must have been living in a cave in Afghanistan during the last six years.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
A very, very, very, very, very deep and remote cave.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Norander is correct. A non-biased interviewer would of explained what he meant by the term “Bush Doctrine”.
However, Here is how Obama defines it and he is way, way offbase. totally clueless.
“In a conference call with reporters, Obama said Clinton would continue the “Bush doctrine” of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States”
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
I guess Norander would have liked Gibson to ask Palin how to make moose stew!
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Terri,
Barack Obama has no idea what the Bush Doctrine is and he IS running for PRESIDENT.
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
There is more than one Bush doctrine. The basic Bush Doctrine could be, “Borrow money from future generations of Americans to wage war against a nation that had nothing to do with 9-11, and pay no attention to the largest deficits in US history that are weakening the US dollar and all of our net worths.”
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am
Wikipedia defines “Bush Doctrine” as follows:
The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. The phrase initially described the policy that the United States had the right to treat countries that harbor or give aid to terrorist groups as terrorists themselves, which was used to justify the invasion of Afghanistan.[1] Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a supposed threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.[2][3][4] Some of these policies were codified in a National Security Council text entitled the National Security Strategy of the United States published on September 20, 2002.[5] This represented a dramatic shift from the United States’s Cold War policies of deterrence and containment, under the Truman Doctrine, and a departure from post-Cold War philosophies such as the Powell Doctrine and the Clinton Doctrine.
The first usage of the term to refer to the policies of George W. Bush may have been when conservative commentator Charles Krauthammer used the term in February 2001 to refer to the president’s unilateral approach to national missile defense.[6]
The main elements of the Bush Doctrine were delineated in a National Security Council document, National Security Strategy of the United States, published on September 20, 2002,[5] and this document is often cited as the definitive statement of the doctrine.[7][8][9] The National Security Strategy was updated in 2006.[10]
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Norander: It wasn’t some off-the-wall question, and it’s not a made-up phrase. Anyone who’s paid any bit of attention to the news over the past seven years knows what the Bush Doctrine is. And someone running for NATIONAL OFFICE should definitely know what it is.
I don’t even think the question was meant to “trip” Mrs. Palin up. Mr. Gibson was probably trying to see if she differs at all with John McCain regarding foreign policy. We already know they hold conflicting positions when it comes to ANWR and global warming. This question was meant to gain insight into her views on foreign policy.
We need to stop making the “sexism” charge any time someone asks a question of Mrs. Palin. It’s every bit as ridiculous as the people who scream racism whenever Obama is criticized.
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Just another thought…I wonder why the investigative reporters have not been working overtime chasing down the ‘skeletons’ in Barak Obama’s closet. It seems like they have a extreme interest in Palins personal past, but it is a very lopsided endeavor, if you ask me.
What about Obama’s questionable connections with individual, such as the fallen Mayor of Detroit, just to refer to one?
Posted by: Norander | September 12, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm
What the hell is: Bush Doctrine?
Posted by: Xavier | September 12, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Educate yourself.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm
Leesburg VA, your numbers are meaningless–experience isn’t numbers. Experience is what someone does and accomplishes. Obama has no accomplishments to speak of. Nor does Biden. Palin has many, McCain has many.
Posted by: hlc08 | September 12, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
it was no surprised that she didn’t know what charlie gibson was talking about. this is why the mccain/palin ticket scares me to death. she doesn’t know what the bush doctrine is? she doesn’t know that it’s the basis of our foreign policy in regards to fighting terrorism??? give me a break! shes not prepared to help lead this country and mccain should be ashamed of himself for selecting someone that doesn’t have foreign policy knowledge. we’re in a critical time in this country fighting terrorism and she is not the one and neither is mccain.
Posted by: twisted | September 12, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
hlc08, that’s character assassination, pure and simple.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
funny how the repubs are making excuses for how badly she did on that question by saying “the bush doctrine is long, it was a vague question, not everyone knows what it is”. some dumb republican said “you could ask people in the pentagon or white house and they wouldn’t know what it is”. are you kidding me? so the people in the pentagon doesn’t know what bush’s foreign policy is? the pentagon DEPT. OF DEFENSE and they wouldn’t know? even those who works closely with bush wouldn’t know what it is? stop making excuses, SHE BOMED ON THAT QUESTION and many more. people better start taking a second look at mccain/palin ticket our national securtiy is on the line here.
Posted by: twisted | September 12, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm
Norander – Has your television been broken for the past four years? The media has inspected every aspect of Obama’s life with a fine-tooth comb. They’ve gone so far as to question his birth certificate. What more of his life do you want the media to look into? Whether he bites his fingernails? If he has an innie or an outie bellybutton? They’ve gone into all of his spooky associations as far as possible and revealed everything bad there is to find or know about him on the 5 o’clock news, every tiresome night. As with McCain and Biden, they’re running out of things to look into, while Palin has thus far given 1 interview on the national stage, and until two weeks ago, most American’s probably couldn’t pick her out of a lineup.
Posted by: grr | September 12, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm
Its so sad that you’ll already commit to vote for this person you had no idea even existed a couple weeks ago. Why don’t you research instead of just following like a sheep. PALIN DOES NOT BELIEVE IN ABORTION IN CASES OF INSCEST AND RAPE! can anyone tell this woman is not a nutjob.
Posted by: b | September 12, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
THE BUSH DOCTRINE…
…..THE COULTER PLAN…..
…….AMERICA…..YEAH!!!!
HEY, LIBTARDS,
LOVE TO HERE YOU WHINE, WHINE, WHINE….
….WHILE WE WIN, WIN, WIN!!!!
BWAHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: RALPH | September 12, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
Norander, they’ve asked McCain the same question before and since when do all the candidates get the same questions? Ummm, lets ask her easy stuff cuz she’s a woman. Thanks but no thanks. I’m a woman and I believe an intelligent, female politician should be answering the same types of questions as anybody else. I’m glad Charlie didn’t treat her with “deference” or in other words “submit” to her.
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
it’s scary this woman has no knowledge of our foreign policy issues. she really doesn’t have a lot of knowledge about anything.
Posted by: twisted | September 12, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
everything’s going to be okay…she lives really close to Russia, practically across the street from it (“You can see it from here!”), so she knows exactly how to deal with belligerent, autocratic states. it’s called “osmosis”…just the merely proximity educates her.
if this is lieberman’s best work, i can’t wait for the debates. moose in headlights, indeed.
not ready ’08.
Posted by: PC | September 12, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
Ralph:
Seems to me that all the whining is being done this morning by Republican Palin supporters, like, “Why oh why do they ask her questions? Boo hoo, we love her, she knows what it’s like to live in America(????)”
She can dish it out but she can’t take it. Just like the rest of the Rebooblican Party.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm
b – More crazy is her support of teaching of creationism with evolution in schools, which if you think about it, is totally impossible. It would have to be non-denominational to be constitutional, so the lesson plan would consist of, “…or maybe evolution is totally wrong due to a god or gods that created things somehow at some point in the past, though I cannot specify further without endorsing a particular religious view. I hope that’s a clear enough picture, class dismissed…”
Posted by: grr | September 12, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Hey Norman, thanks for explaining Palin’s position since she couldn’t. Maybe you can go with her to her next interview and translate.
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
For all of you who think you are so smart in interpreting Sarah Palin’s remarks on the Bush doctrine, it’s evident that you don’t know what the Bush doctrine is either. According to Wikepedia, “The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a supposed threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine) Again, “additional elements” is the key phrase here. And, stop repeating what obama media are saying (a deer in headlights) and start thinking for yourselves, if that is possible. I think left winged liberals/obama supporters are just trying to make obama look smarter than he really is. Pathetic…
Posted by: mccain/palinsupporter | September 12, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
For all of you who think you are so smart in interpreting Sarah Palin’s remarks on the Bush doctrine, it’s evident that you don’t know what the Bush doctrine is either. According to Wikepedia, “The Bush Doctrine is a phrase used to describe various related foreign policy principles of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. Later it came to include additional elements, including the controversial policy of preventive war, which held that the United States should depose foreign regimes that represented a supposed threat to the security of the United States, even if that threat was not immediate (used to justify the invasion of Iraq), a policy of supporting democracy around the world, especially in the Middle East, as a strategy for combating the spread of terrorism, and a willingness to pursue U.S. military interests in a unilateral way.” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_Doctrine) Again, “additional elements” is the key phrase here. And, stop repeating what obama media are saying (a deer in headlights) and start thinking for yourselves, if that is possible. I think left winged liberals/obama supporters are just trying to make obama look smarter than he really is. Pathetic…
Posted by: mccain/palinsupporter | September 12, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
Palin/McCain – the Pity Party
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
..A moose in the headlights look, huh??…That’s the momentary pause before the gleam in its eyes tells you its goin’ to charge!!!
Posted by: Robert B | September 12, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm
Yeah, well you are so smart mccain/palinsupporter that you posted your dribble twice.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
RobertB, I’ve been charged by a moose, there is NO “gleam in its eyes that tells you its goin to charge”.
Baloney.
Posted by: ringodingo | September 12, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm
mccain/palinsupporter – Wow, you really must be a Palin supporter, using Wikipedia as your primary source to base your stump speeches on…
Posted by: grr | September 12, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm
When I was president, women couldn’t even vote!
Posted by: AbrahamLincoln | September 12, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
GrandDadBuz votin’ for the Pity Party. What’s the matter? You upset cuz big, bad Charlie asked poor, pit palin some intelligent questions? If her foreign policy knowledge weren’t limited to seeing Russia from Alaska, she would’ve been able to answer the questions. She was sequestered long enough!
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm
“Posted by: patricia | Sep 12, 2008 1:07:23 AM”
Good posting Patricia. I believe Obama is not ‘tipping his hand’ because as we all know by now, the Dems come out with new strategies and the Reps, who want to hang on to power, hijack these ideas and make them their own. Let me know if you need concrete examples.
To answer your real question “What does Obama stand for”, my quick answer is “Its all about the pendulum”. Any time the pendulum swings too far to the right as we have now with unregulated free markets, wealth inequality, and hegemony, we the stakeholders have to bring it back to the center. Obama is part of the checks and balances that will correct this out of balance situation caused by the ruling party of the last 8 years. After Obama has served his term if things have gone too far to the left, you can be sure the people will bring back the Republications. That is the nature of true, working democracies.
Hope that helps.
Posted by: JTom | September 12, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
hlc08 – that was funny…… the Pity Party, many accomplishments? my stomach hurts from laughing so hard
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
Film Producer: I understand you’d like to one day be a director. So what’s your opinion on ‘The Godfather?’
Prosepective Film Studies Intern: ‘The Godfather’… Oh. You mean, like, the Pope or something, right? He’s okay, I guess.
Film Producer: No, I mean the seminal film that has informed countless directors since Coppola created it.
Prospective Film Studies Intern: Oh, that… Well come on! Who would know that?
Posted by: an analogy | September 12, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
mccain/palinsupporter,
This is how Obama defined Bush Doctrine
“only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/
Posted by: geevill | September 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
JTom – good post; I like intelligence.
Posted by: Idunno | September 12, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Why don’t Dems rejoice she is unfamiliar with a doctrine they detest and supports the response to an imminent threat as they do (except the real loons)? I am confused, shouldn’t this be seen as a good thing? Oh wait we don’t really care about candidates positions, just the gotcha game.
Posted by: Paul | September 12, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Here is the whole “Iraq War for God” quote. NEWS FLASH, it is not quite as it has been portrayed.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/11/beck.palin/index.html
Posted by: Paul | September 12, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Gibson himself in the past has defined the Bush Doctrine to mean “a promise that all terrorist organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated”–which is remarkably close to Palin’s own answer.
Consider what a diversity of views on the meaning of the Bush Doctrine can be found simply within the archives of ABC News itself:
September 20, 2001
PETER JENNINGS: . . . Claire, the president said at one point, ‘From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.’ Should we be taking that as the Bush doctrine? CLAIRE SHIPMAN reporting: I think so, Peter,
September 21, 2001
CHARLIE GIBSON: The president in his speech last night, very forceful. Four out of five Americans watched it. Everybody gathered around the television set last night. The president issued a series of demands to the Taliban, already rejected. We’ll get to that in a moment. He also outlined what is being called the Bush Doctrine, a promise that all terrorists organizations with global reach will be found, stopped and defeated.
September 21, 2001
CHARLIE GIBSON: Senator Daschle, let me start with you. People were looking for a Bush Doctrine. They may have found it when he said the war on terror will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found, stopped or defeated. That’s pretty broad. Broader than you expected?
December 9, 2001
GEORGE WILL: The Bush doctrine holds that anyone who governs a territory is complicit in any terrorism that issues from that territory. That covers the West Bank and the Gaza Strip. Second, the war on terrorism is indivisible, it’s part of the Bush doctrine.
hmmmmmmmmm
Posted by: darring | September 12, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
McCain selected Palin for one primary reason: media coverage. He tried holding his breath, stomping his feet & yelling that the press only covered Obama and none of it worked. (Clearly a liberal bias and not due to the fact that after 8 years of Bush, we’re all quite familiar with McCain’s policies & beliefs, thank you.) And look at us now, all spending hours upon hours discussing her, discussing what she may or may not have done or said and when. It’s just so sad to me that after his brave and honorable service in Vietnam, McCain apparently cares so little about this country that he puts the future of it at such risk by making such a poor choice of running mate, largely to get more press coverage.
Posted by: Treehuggingveggie | September 12, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
Palin does not have a clue. After trying so hard, she still can’t get the lipstick on. WHAT A JOKE, AND A SAD THING TO HAPPEN TO THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AFTER 8 YEARS OF THIS MORON.
Posted by: ted | September 12, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
My question for Sarah Palin, what was the last book that you read?
She riped Obama for writing two memoirs, but I assume her last read was of the fictional variety.
Posted by: ohiogal | September 12, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
She is an affront to the highly intellegent women of this country who achieve success because of their intellect, not their pretty hair and high heels.
Sarah Palin is an empty skirt suit. She is the type of politician who has to rely on lobbyists to write the laws because like the current GWB she does not have the intellegence to do it herself.
Posted by: ohiogal | September 12, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The Bush Doctrine? Democrats wouldn’t know that from a hole in the ground. And we know how they can tell the differenece.
Palin did great for someone who just a few months ago was running a state budget, having a baby, and shooting democr, I mean, shooting mooses.
She thinks that her biggest worry is Alqaeda, Russia, Iran, or terrorists?
No, her biggest worry is democrats, they will cut her throat in a NY minute.
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 12, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
++++++++++++++=================
so tell me, ohio-oink, just what qualifications does Hitlery have, besides being married to a horney devil?
There are quotes after quotes published in books about Hitlery cussing out her SS details. Her rumored lover, Vince Foster, walked out in the middle of a field, never got his shoes wet, and shot himself????? Was Hitlery entitled to all the Whitehouse china she stole?
When she decided to carpetbag and get into the senate, she couldn’t do it in her home state of Arkansas because she would get beat. She had to move into the most liberal state in the country.
Bush not intelligent? Yes, dumb but he must be smart enough to beat two losers like Gore and Kerry. How smart does that make them?
Palin – 08
Posted by: LarryMan | September 12, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
I’m sure glad Burto is not running for office
Posted by: don | September 12, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
ron jones you are right @Remember last spring when Obama said that, as president, he’d order military strikes in Pakistan if he had actionable intel on Al-Kida? McCain (and Hillary) jumped all over him with accusations of naivety and inexperience. Now we’ve started doing just what he suggested. The tribal areas of Pakistan are outside of their goverment’s control and Obama was right to say NO SANCTUARY for the real attackers of 9/11.
funny that obama isn’t elected into office yet but his policies are. lol!
Posted by: twisted | September 12, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Truth be said, there is no legal Bush Doctrine, there is Bush Policy, A Doctrine has to be approved by the Supreme Court and Congress. And all this bickering about tells me that our schools no longer teach American Histroy. What Charley referred to was a Bush Policy not a Doctrine. The question was asked wrong.
Posted by: Gene | September 12, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
THIS WOMAN IS PATHETIC, BUT THE OLD MAVERICK IS EVEN MORE PATHETIC FOR CHOOSING HER. HER ANNOYING ‘CHARLIE’ , ‘CHARLIE’ DID NOT GET HER ANYWHERE! PATHETIC, ARROGANT AND A COMPLETE IGNORAMUS, WAY TO GO AMERICANOS!!!
Posted by: EW | September 12, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
You liberals pretend like “The Bush Doctrine” is some common place term that everyone knows its meaning.
Your Kool Aid drinking buddy, Juan Williams, had to be coached by Brit Hume last night on the meaning of the Bush Doctrine. I guess he’s just another ignorant hick that doesn’t know much about US foreign policy either.
Posted by: Disgusted | September 12, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Even Clinton used a form of the Bush doctrine, although he refused to formulate it as such. Clinton actively sanctioned operations on within nationally recognized and sovereign foreign national soil to seek out and kill if necessary Osama Bin Laudin.
History shows the best shot he had he failed to take. As a result of Bill Clinton’s failure, a few months later after he left office, the event commonly referred to as 911 occurred. In fact it has also been noted that Clinton’s failure strengthened Osama’s support amongst the Taliban.
Additionally, I don’t agree that a majority of individuals if asked could clearly state what the Bush doctrine is. I suspect many who are lambasting Palin on her did not know themselves until this interview pointed it out. I don’t really believe that Bush knows what his doctrine is.
Finally, I don’t give care if Palin or McCain know anything about foreign policy. There are secretary of states for that role. What I care about is whether they know and will fix DOMESTIC POLICY.
I am much happier she has met and knows the heads of states, that is Governors of the 50 states of the United States then any foreign head of state and that puts her well ahead of Obama or Biden.
Considering the problems we have here at home, I prefer a President and VP who will concentrate on US, the people of the Unites states and give less concern to heads of foreign states or their people. I want someone who will shake up the beltway elite and fix a broken partisan congress and executive office. Who works for THE PEOPLE!
Posted by: No clear doctrine | September 12, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
Leesburg, VA–an interesting analysis, BUT A VERY FLAWED ANALYSIS! Is your analysis a situation where you “knew” what answer you wanted and then constructed a scenario which would yield your predetermined result?
Re the “Bush Doctrine”, if you read the Wikipedia article you will learn that the term is a creation of the media and has never been the designated name of any of its policies, and even the media’s version has been quite fluid.
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Leesburg, VA–an interesting analysis, BUT A VERY FLAWED ANALYSIS! Is your analysis a situation where you “knew” what answer you wanted and then constructed a scenario which would yield your predetermined result?
Re the “Bush Doctrine”, if you read the Wikipedia article you will learn that the term is a creation of the media and has never been the designated name of any of its policies, and even the media’s version has been quite fluid.
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Charles Gibson should learn something about communication of which he is supposed to be expert. When you ask a question, shut up and the the person you asked the question of, answer.
The next time Gibson does this to Palin, McCain, Obama, Biden or whoever, I hope they tell Gibson to shut up and not interrupt! Otherwise, Gibosn has no business asking any questions at all.
Interupting after asking a question shows a complete disrespect of the person questioned and is also a common bullying tactic. It can also indicate a clear bias, as the answer to the question is assumed to be know by them already or, they don’t give a rip what the answer is in the first place.
Posted by: Gibson ask the question and then shut up | September 12, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
In my opinion Charlie Gibson did come down hard on Sarah Palin and his performance on this recent interview should be commended. Look America, Mrs. Palin is up for the position of becoming Vice President of the United States of America. If you love America, you would want what’s best for your country, not just accepting a candidate simply because she’s a woman who’s the major “cheerleader” for McCain’s platform.
Posted by: Dannie | September 12, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Bush has a doctrine…who knew…good replied Palin. Obama and his supporters can not claimed Palin is another Bush. She knows nothing about his doctrine.
Posted by: jjj | September 12, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Gov. Sarah Palin FIRED the : Public Safety Commissioner, Then FIRED The : Local Police Chief. __ Because they didn’t display any : Political Nepotism _To Her ____ That SAME Song and Dance That Has Been Played out Before ___ The NAZI Fascist Bush Crime Regime and Attorney General Alberto Gonzales Fired : SEVERAL State Attorneys __ Out of Political and Religious Nepotism __ The Republican NAZI Fascist Party and The Bush NAZI Fascist Crime Regime __ Does Not Want Anyone In a Political Office Who is – NOT – In The EXACT SAME IMAGE of : NAZI Fascist Bush
Posted by: lastdance366 | September 12, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
News Flash!
The Bush Doctrine is being replaced with the Sundance Doctrine.
Any organization or country that messes with the United States gets bombed back to the stone age. Then we negotiate with any suvivors for their unconditional surrender.
That should be easy enough to remember.
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 12, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
hum
“let them eat cake”
both parties are working hard on the recipe
but it’s all about “the look”
one cake has
Gram-pa and Barbie military style
the other
Ken and Barbie disco style
it’s all about choices
Posted by: flour | September 12, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
On the internet, they just place a complete 2007 transcript of Gibson’s interview with Obama and the questions have been compared to Palin’s interview with Gibson. Gibson asked Obama no hard questions compared to Palin. Most of Gibson’s questions to Obama were questions related to his family. Night and day…this may hurt Obama. It shows that the media is easy on him.
Posted by: Quincy | September 12, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
It doesn’t matter if George W. Bush physically sat down at his desk and spelled out a policy under the heading “Bush Doctrine.” The policy of preemptive war is commonly known as the Bush Doctrine. People who pay attention know this. Mrs. Palin did not.
It also doesn’t matter if it’s a phrase coined by the media. I doubt Kennedy ever referred to the Soviets placing missiles in Cuba as “The Cuban Missile Crisis,” but we all know exactly what that label means, right? Same thing applies to the term “9/11,” a set of numbers easily understood by Americans.
I knew exactly what Mr. Gibson meant by “The Bush Doctrine.” Now, maybe it’s because I pay close attention to politics–but doesn’t that say something about Mrs. Palin if she doesn’t?
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Today, McCain up 3 points.
Posted by: j | September 12, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Re: Dannie–
Nor would you support the person at the top spot simply because they are Black (according to a recent poll, 96% of Blacks support OB) without out knowing his specific position on various issues and his views of the United States and the World!
CHANGE–
==change what specifically
==specifically how will the changes be
carried out
==what specifically will the end
result of these changes be?
BO has failed to inform us of these vital answers but instead offers a pig in a poke-with or without lipstick.
To the character who suggested that this is the wrong page for comments about BO, thank you for the suggestion, My Friend! It was a suggestion, not a directive, was it not, because you would not want people to think that Leftists order people around, do you?!
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
gb8898: who still listen and follow Bush. I gald Palin does.
Posted by: f | September 12, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
gb8898: who still listen and follow Bush. I gald Palin does not.
Posted by: f | September 12, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
gb8898: who still listen and follow Bush. I glad Obama does.
Posted by: f | September 12, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
I need more Kool-aid. I am getting confuse Obama/Palin ticket. Obama follows Bush doctrine but Palin does not. kool-aid please…Obama/Palin ticket.
Posted by: f | September 12, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
gb8898 wrote:
“I knew exactly what Mr. Gibson meant by “The Bush Doctrine.” Now, maybe it’s because I pay close attention to politics–but doesn’t that say something about Mrs. Palin if she doesn’t?”
Yes it does say something. It says Palin is not an old order, old boy, politician, Is says she was filling her time and concerning herself with the tasks and affairs of executive administer, that is Governer, of the State of Alaska and dealing with the concerns and needs of THE PEOPLE of the state she was elected to serve. Which is exactly what I want the next President and VP to do.
Posted by: yes it does say something | September 12, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
Let’s not forget all the casualties when the Clinton’s took office-true political casualties like the travel office staff. Political appointments (which the travel office staff were not political appointments) generally serve at the discretion of the “CEO” and can be removed for nearly any reason.
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Let’s not forget all the casualties when the Clinton’s took office-true political casualties like the travel office staff. Political appointments (which the travel office staff were not political appointments) generally serve at the discretion of the “CEO” and can be removed for nearly any reason.
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
Way to go for “smearing” her lipstick across her face…She sounded like a ditz in this interview…always flipping and flopping around the “gotcha” questions…apparently her foreign policy advisor’s didn’t do a good job of teaching her what she needed to know…and it’s not like you can learn everything about foreign policy in one day…McCain should’ve thought about it before he chose Palin as VP since his campaign is about national security…she doesn’t know squat!
Posted by: pam | September 12, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Obama and his supporters subscribe to Bush doctrine and Palin does not. I need more kool-aid. No more Bush third-term so I will vote for Palin since she does not know about Bush doctrine.
Posted by: f | September 12, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
For all those uninformed potential voters out there saying “you didn’t even know what the Bush Doctine was”… Not many people are going to know. But then again… those of us who didn’t aren’t running to be VPof the United States of America.
That’s like someone wanting to be a doctor and not even knowing how to treat a symptom. WAKE UP! We are not talking about us. We are talking about our potential elected officials who should know about this stuff. Quit defending her. Sara Palin is a decent person, a good mother I’m sure… but she is not qualified to lead a country, plain and simple. Since when has this campaign even been between her and Obama anyways.
A women’s right movement into the oval office is not the kind of change we need right now either. I’m 100% for women and equal opportunity… they are every bit as capable as men in jobs. I’m amazed just how much women contribute in the work force and abroad. But this is not an issue of sexism, woman’s right into office… etc. This is our country here. A woman in office is not an issue if you are qualified. Hilary Clinton would have been. Sara Palin obviously is not. And to be voting on the wrong issues (for the sake of getting a woman.. a hockey mom… in office) is obsurd.
If these 2 are elected into office, then I don’t want to hear any whining when it blows up in your face because we have an opportunity for real change and a common purpose and a future for our children with the Obama/Biden combo. You don’t have to agree with everything. But these are 2 men qualified to lead and reach across parties. There campaign has been about change, a common purpose, and unity in a United States of America in which the term UNITED has lost it’s meaning.
If we have a third term of stale, old school policies that have not worked for us in the past… then we deserve the country in the state it’s in. Vote on the issues people and those intelligent enough to lead… not on race, sex, or issues that are going to move this country foward. This country is scary if some of the people commenting are defending this woman as someone who can lead us.
Posted by: Common purpose | September 12, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Bush Doctrine? Don’t know and don’t care! Wake up liberals: Bush is not running this year! Let’s hear about the McCain Doctrine. We already understand the Obama Doctrine: Hope and Change.
Posted by: Walter D. Welti | September 12, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
“Vote on the issues people and those intelligent enough to lead… not on race, sex, or issues that are NOT going to move this country foward.”
Forgive the typing errors.. you get my point.
Posted by: Common purpose | September 12, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Common Purpose, this country county is scary because people are making decisions about who is in office on issues that matter less then what is happening within our own borders. Such as foreign policies rather then domestic policies and keep electing the same beltway insiders and those involved or who have immersed themselves in old order shady power politics and then expect a different outcome.
Posted by: scary it is | September 12, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Charlie forgot that the McCain doctorine will supercede the Bush Doctorine when they are elected. The new president can do whatever he or she wants to do, just like Bush did!
Posted by: JJ Wagner | September 12, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
This woman is smart as a whip. What other 40-something mother of five has an 80 percent approval rating as governor of a state? Those who are claiming her to be an imbecile or something, or a liar, are themselves liars or morons. Insofar as the “Bush Doctrine” is concerned, it seems to be a buzzword that Charles Gibson invented for the occasion. I have never seen or heard of it in the news prior to now.
Posted by: Nobama09 | September 12, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
This woman is smart as a whip. What other 40-something mother of five has an 80 percent approval rating as governor of a state? Those who are claiming her to be an imbecile or something, or a liar, are themselves liars or morons. Insofar as the “Bush Doctrine” is concerned, it seems to be a buzzword that Charles Gibson invented for the occasion. I have never seen or heard of it in the news prior to now.
Posted by: Nobama09 | September 12, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Charlie starts by asking the same question boring question at least 3 times because he didn’t approve of her answer. Then he asks about the “Bush Doctrine” a phrase coined by the media. When he condescended to explain the term she answered directly. Charlie then used a clip provided by AP to ask about her religion. He didn’t know she was quoting Abraham Lincoln but she was supposed to know what the liberal media refers to the “Bush Doctrine.
Compare that to his first interview with Obama. It was a real puff piece!
Posted by: janet Clesi | September 12, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
yes it does say something: What it says is Mrs. Palin can’t be bothered to turn on the news or pick up a newspaper or magazine to see what’s going on regarding foreign policy. It demonstrates a lack of curiosity on her part.
It’s admirable that she may have been focusing solely on her state duties as governor, but shouldn’t her lack of foreign policy knowledge be seen as a negative now that she’s a vice presidential candidate?
I’m sorry, but knowing what the Bush Doctrine is does not make one an “old order politician.” It simply means one is informed regarding national policy. Wouldn’t we have a problem with a politician who didn’t know what Social Security is? We wouldn’t say, “Well, she’s just not part of that Washington system, so that’s a good thing!”
Holding up lack of knowledge as a virtue is a bit troubling. It strikes me as the same attitude whereby performing badly in school is viewed as “cool.” Do we really want the uninformed and intellectually uncurious as our leaders?
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm
Wow. If I tell you I am “Republican” add that I am “female” and follow it up with how the Charlie interview “enlightened me” will I be loved ???..Give me a break!
This blog is 99.9% BHO supporters stating the same thing from as many angles as possible to create a leftie talking point. Truth be told no-one could have answered the Bush Doctrine question without specificity or clarification…it’s too broad. It’s like asking “do you like sports?” Likely response “Which sports?” or maybe “Yes, some sports”
If you want better answers ask better questions.
To be fair I am a 100% full blooded Republican male that understands a VP’s roll to be to support presidential policy and that Governor Palin is quite capable of stepping into an established administration and executing McCain’s policies should the need arise.
Real question here….who is going to assist BHO with his OJT should he get elected??? Good Grief!!
Posted by: Hungry for a change | September 12, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
And when Charlie stated he was quoting Palin on her statement made in church in relation to God and Religion, it was Charlie who misstated the quote, having evidently taken the work of someone else rather then doing HIS HOMEWORK.
Here are her actual words concerning the Iraq war and God: “Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God. That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”
Find the video and check it out for yourselves. Quit swallowing hook line and sinker the false words from both sides of the media.
Posted by: Charlie, tell the truth | September 12, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
gb8898, your talking points are, and you are comparing, apples and oranges. The only thing they have in common is that they are both fruit.
Posted by: not the same | September 12, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
I can’t stand Obama. I’m a Republican. But Mrs. Palin really seemed unprepared in that interview.
Incidentally, Nobama09, a monkey as governor could probably attain an 80% approval rating in Alaska.
No state income or sales taxes? Annual dividend checks from an oil fund paid out to each citizen ($2,000 per person this year)? More earmark money per person than any other state?
If I lived in Alaska, I’d approve of Mrs. Palin, too…
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
I follow politics a lot and do understand President Bush’s views on national security, however I did not know what the Bush Doctrine. I went to look it up on Wikipedia and it has already been edited since the interview. So people are already changing that definition. Is there a McCain Doctrine? Is there an Obama Doctrine?
Posted by: xagfre | September 12, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
Charlie Gibson made a deliberate attempt to ambush Palin with the question. Her answer was good and does not need qualification.
Do we have the right to pre empt the foe against us. Look back to history we have done it for years.
Posted by: r varner | September 12, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Charlie Gibson made a deliberate attempt to ambush Palin with the question. Her answer was good and does not need qualification.
Do we have the right to pre empt the foe against us. Look back to history we have done it for years.
Posted by: r varner | September 12, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
xagfre: The McCain Doctrine is the same as the Bush Doctrine: we can attack anyone, anytime, even if there is no imminent threat.
The Obama Doctrine will involve flowery language and the spending of billions of tax dollars to buy off potential adversaries.
Both ideas suck.
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
r varner: We’ve done it for years? You mean like that time Reagan invaded the Soviet Union, right?
Oh wait. That never happened.
So maybe we have the right to “preempt the foe,” as you put it, as long as we believe the foe to be much weaker than us.
But if that’s the case, the foe isn’t really much of a threat, is he?
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
gb8898 wrote:
“Annual dividend checks from an oil fund paid out to each citizen ($2,000 per person this year)? More earmark money per person than any other state?”
If you research this, you will find that the oil fund refund was due to Palin forcing the oil companies into negations which resulted in more money from the oil and gas produces in Alaska going to the state and the created the abiility for the refund. That is I believe a first for Alaska.
Concerning earmarks, Both Obama and Biden supported many of those earmarks including the bridge. McCain apposed that earmark.
With the outcome of the negotiations from the oil companies and more funds going to the state, she cut the earmark requests by half a million dollars, farther then any governor in Alaska history. Also, the earmarks that were requested went for infrastructure and essential services which Alaska could not pay for. Obama requested earmarks which benefited a key financial supporter in Chicago, for, I think it was, a bike path amongst other non essential services.
Are you saying that Alaska Americans who have little infrastructure and essential services yet produce upward to 30% of our domestic energy, don’t deserve them as apposed to Chicago which has, though probably not enough, more? Sorry. again, you’re comparing apples and oranges.
Posted by: earmarks for infrastructure not bikepaths | September 12, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Re: J – Why does America see Obama as “black”. Obama represents all of America. His family makeup says it all. Now don’t get me wrong, I would love for a woman to receive the honor of becoming Vice President of the United States but please pick someone that’s qualified for this prestige position. Her answers to the questions on the interview with Charlie Gibson were outlandishly inconceivable! We can’t go on another four more years with idiots running the oval office! If McCain wanted to pick a female candidate who was more qualified for the VP slot, he could of pick Gov. Lingle or Gov. Rell. Let’s just be honest. McCain picked Palin for three reasons:
1. She’s a woman.
2. She’s young.
3. She’s beautiful.
Whereas McCain lacked in this presidential race, she made up the difference. He’s a man, he’s old, and he’s, well you know the answer! McCain’s choice for VP undermines the legacy of powerful women such as Susan B Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Jane Addams, and Gloria Steinem who made this country so great with their political views and the changes they bestowed upon America.
Posted by: Dannie | September 12, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
Dannie, no Palin is not a Susan B Anthony, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Jane Addams, and Gloria Steinem.
If she helps to fix broken partisan politics of Washington which is destroying this country from the inside out, if she helps to accomplish for our domestic policy the correct fiscal changes she has implemented in Alaska, then she will however have contributed just as much.
Posted by: not the same but | September 12, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
earmarks: I didn’t actually compare anything in that post, and I’m not actually all that opposed to earmarks.
Americans pay loads of money to the federal government every year. When states can get some of it back to use at home, however they see fit, I see no problem. Otherwise, the federal government is bound to waste most of that money in some way or another.
When states get more back than they put in, though, that’s essentially socialism.
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
gb889 wrote:
“When states get more back than they put in, though, that’s essentially socialism.”
I see, so those who live in low populated areas yet produce the bulk of the the energy, food and materials ,which are generally low paying jobs, that allow those who live in the highly populated areas with most of the high paying jobs, to do so, should well, be ignored.
Um, quite honestly, that is at odds with the stated Obama, Biden and generally the stated Democratic policy which wants to raise taxes on the few so that the many without can have more.
That also is essentially socialism.
For either party though, to a degree, some of that should be considered essential spending on and for our fellow Americans. Quite honestly, as you are a democrat, I am rather surprised at what you apparently are saying.
Posted by: Not sure what I am hearing | September 12, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
David Gergen, adviser to four presidents (both parties) and a highly respected Harvard professor said: “Probobaly she did not know (regarding Bush Doctrine) but most of America including journalists do not know. It could easily be taken as the Bush philosophy.”
Gibson should have told her diretly what he wanted to know. It was a trick question and he explained it in a condescending manner.
She did well for her first time out on a national scale. She didn’t ooh and uh and ah as Obama does when he is not reading a teleprompter.
Posted by: Karolyn | September 12, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Not sure what I am hearing: I’ve already stated several times I’m a Republican (though I lean more libertarian). As such, what I wrote shouldn’t be surprising at all.
I don’t really care that Alaska produces lots of energy. If Alaskans pay $10 in federal income taxes every year and get back $20, that’s socialism. And I don’t like it.
Your empathy for low populated areas with low paying jobs is nice (I live in one of those areas and have one of those jobs), but it could also be spun to apply to, say, migrant farm workers. They’re “ignored” but vital to our nation, right? Don’t we “owe” them something? Many Democrats would argue that we do.
I would disagree.
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
Not the same but, grant you Palin’s record as governor of Alaska is incredibly compelling. “Domestically” she has brought about changes that mattered to majority of the people of Alaska, but from a national standpoint, that interview with Mr. Gibson showed America she’s not ready to help run the US and represent our country overseas. Now mind you, I feel she will have the experience in the future if she continues to learn more about foreign policy. Also, really does Palin represent America? She was born in Sandpoint, ID , a city near where the Aryan nation once set up headquarters in the area. I feel she doesn’t represent the melting pot of America. How can she govern the population of America if she doesn’t understand their guiding principles and philosophies on life?
Posted by: Dannie | September 12, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Turns out Gibson himself, nor most of the media are clear on what the Bush Doctrine is.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/what_exactly_is_the_bush_doctr.asp
Posted by: Rosco | September 12, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Okay all you Obamaites, list Five specific qualifications that OB has that qualirfies him as President–five s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c qualifications:
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Keep in mind that Governor Palin is on the ticket for the No. 2 spot while OB is on the ticket for CEO of an organization of 300 million people, and not No. 2, with no executive experience AT ALL!
The Media is certainly showing its true colors as Bernard Goldberg has described in his books and during interviews.
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Okay all you Obamaites, list Five specific qualifications that OB has that qualirfies him as President–five s-p-e-c-i-f-i-c qualifications:
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Keep in mind that Governor Palin is on the ticket for the No. 2 spot while OB is on the ticket for CEO of an organization of 300 million people, and not No. 2, with no executive experience AT ALL!
The Media is certainly showing its true colors as Bernard Goldberg has described in his books and during interviews.
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 5:42 pm 5:42 pm
Why knowing Bush Doctrine is so important? I think the less anyone know about it the better. Palin is not a political scholar, why she has to study it? Besides it is a flawed ideology anyway.
What she showed is that Palin is definitely an outsider? The same applies to Obama.
Posted by: alan | September 12, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
gb8898, my belief is this, capitalism without a social conscience is ethically and morally bankrupt.
I do not agree that anyone is owed anything. In that regard, I may een agree with John F Kennedy. “Ask not what your country can do for you. Rather ask what you can do for your country.”
However, I do believe that if we are fiscally responsible and use sound fiscal practices that we cannot only advance our ourselves and improve our own lives, but give hand up to those who are without and truly due to their hard work and effort, need it. Not a handout, a hand-up.
To not do so creates social and economic divides that if we look at and study history and current work events, have and do lead to civil unrest and civil wars. We are all fellow Americans. Without those who are willing to work in low paying jobs which allow others to work in the high paying jobs and in comfort, nobody in this country survives. We cannot be a nation where some have more then enough to share with others and not be deprived, while saying to others, “Let them eat cake.”
I do believe in minimal government. I believe in the power of the state a the community to decide best what is needed and how to spend for the essentials. Bloated government wastes money and is ultimately ineffective because unlike the Governers and mayors and local city councilman, it is insulated from answering to “We the People.”
I believe this country must stop swinging from the ultra right to the ultra left. I am convinced it will swing to the hard ultra left from the hard ultra right, unless McCain is elected. I am a centrist and I believe McCain and Palin who have both demonstrated the willingness to take on members of either party for the common good is what this country needs now.
The path I believe this country needs to go politically is not on the right nor the left but in the center which is I am convinced McCain will lead us.
Posted by: I am for the center | September 12, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm
The unflappable Sarah Palin! I love it! No, you don’t gotcha. She is smarter than the one asking the questions. She is no fool, and she is a fighter with integrity–something that appears to be in short supply in Washington. She truly is a leader for change, and I bet Obama is now wishing he had based his campaign on real substance rather than soundbite speeches. He doesn’t know enough, and he is constantly backpedaling.
Why is he afraid of the town hall meetings with McCain? He would be blown away for lack of substance. He learned that early on with Hillary. Now, he is trying his darnedest to be dismissive of Sarah Palin, the real change leader!
McCain/Palin ’08
Posted by: georgia | September 12, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm
Dannie wrote;
“Also, really does Palin represent America? She was born in Sandpoint, ID , a city near where the Aryan nation once set up headquarters in the area. I feel she doesn’t represent the melting pot of America. How can she govern the population of America if she doesn’t understand their guiding principles and philosophies on life?”
Dannie, the state you are born in, I do not believe, necessarily dictates what you believe concerning race. Also, I think if you will check this, from the age of less then one, except I think when she went to college, she has lived in Alaska the majority of her life.
Where is the melting pot of America, exactly? I was born in Montana. Montana has a large hispanic population in areas, as btw, does Idaho. It has has a large percentage of Native Americans. many of those that live there can trace their roots back to the Irish, English, Scotts, French, etcetera. As can I, being part Native American, English, Irish, German and Scottish. Alaska also is far from homogeneous. Does someone born and raised in the city accurately represent the values of those raised in the country, or vice versa? I think they can and do.
What are the guiding principles and philosophies of life for Americans? Do you not find Americans of faith in the city and in the country? Do we not find those who are struggling to raise families in the city and in the country? Do we not find those who are working multiple jobs to make ends meet and many without adequate health in the city and in the country?
I was born in the country, I now live in the south of the US in a city. I have found in my life there is little difference in many guiding core values between the two especially when it includes the desire for truth, justice and opportunity for ourselves and our children. But, I am only one American. We are all much alike and yet we are all very different. It is overall though, our strength.
As for where the melting pot is today? I really believes it goes from the Atlantic to the Pacific. From Alaska to the Gulf of Mexico.
Posted by: What are the guiding principles of life | September 12, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Dannie, Dannie, Dannie–
Your assertion about the alleged Aryan Nation connection is so outrageous that Pinnocio would be envious. According to Wikipedia, Governor Palin’s moved to Alaska when she was an “infant”. Are you saying she was a child prodigy? Do you have even a scintilla of evidence that Governor Palin or her family have had any direct aassociation with the Aryan Nation? If you do, produce it please!
BO has openly stated that he was a “community organizer” for ACORN, a socialist/communist organization, not a surprise in view of his preach’s rants!
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 12, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
I am for the center: I do agree with much of what you said. I think the solution to many of our problems lies at the state level–exactly as our Founders intended.
The bloated federal government wastes tons of money, and it can’t effectively serve 300 million people at once. State governments are far more accountable to the people and less likely to suffer from entrenched bureaucracy the way the federal government is.
The problem I see is this: both major parties now believe every problem can be addressed at the federal level (don’t argue, fellow Republicans–actions speak louder than words). In this environment, we will continue to swing from the far right to the far left and nothing will change at all, and we’ll be left wondering why. Again.
The most centrist policy is still the one advocated by the men who founded this nation (“keep it as local as possible”), but that policy is largely ignored today because folks like having power “centralized” now. Unfortunately, I don’t see things going a different direction any time soon.
Posted by: gb8898 | September 12, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Palin not knowing the Bush doctrine is almost as bad as Obama not knowing the number of states in the union. He said 57.
Posted by: Russ | September 12, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Obama’s “57 states” comment debunked:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp
Posted by: 57 States | September 12, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Charlie Gibson is clearly in the tank for the Obama-Biden ticket. Instead of accepting Palin’s answer for what it was, he decided to point out that he believed her understanding of the Bush Doctrine to be wrong. I can guarantee you Gibson could not define the Bush Doctrine to the point where all would agree. The only person truly able to do that is George Bush himself. Gibson’s an old-style media guy that hates the fact that American voters are willing and able to think for themselves and come to a conclusion concerning Palin with which he does not agree. In his mind he and the rest of the media are the kingmakers. Sorry, but I’m not buying it and have not for a long time now.
Posted by: doug | September 12, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Charlie should read Charles Krauthammer (he who coined the “bush Doctrine” phrae;
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
Posted by: Jess Duntno | September 12, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
It is intereting that Ms. Palin’s definition of the Bush Doctrine is very close Gibson’s 2001 defintion of the Bush Doctrine (and those of other news reporters). Go down to the two Charles Gibson’s quotes at the following link:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/what_exactly_is_the_bush_doctr.asp
Just as important, Charlie totally whiffed at his current ‘understanding’ of the Bush Doctrine. In fact, the main elements of the current Bush Doctrine are (or should be) known to be delineated in a National Security Council Document titled “The National Security Strategy.” The National Security Strategy consists of an introduction and eleven separate sections covering thirty some pages. Charlie’s very narrow and simplified ‘understanding’ (and even his simplified understanding is flawed) of the Bush Doctrine is but one component of the actual Bush Doctrine. Ms. Palin was spot on when she asked “In what respect, Charlie?” (i.e. what element was Gibson referencing).
The National Security Strategy (the Bush Doctrine):
http://www.whitehouse.gov/nsc/nss/2006/
Posted by: Charlies Needs To Do Better Homework | September 12, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
OBAMA WILL NOT EVEN PLACE HIS HAND OVER HIS HEART FOR THE NATIONAL ANTHEM!!!!
During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart. — United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171
Turns out that not wearing a flag lapel pin isn’t the only way Barack Obama chooses to show he’s a different kind of Democrat.
go to internet site and see for yourself:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2007/10/20/obama-no-hand-heart-pledge-either-will-msm-notice
Posted by: Rich | September 12, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
I have never seen an interview that has been so tightly clipped and edited. I would have preferred to have seen/heard her responses without the EXTENSIVE and OBVIOUS edits. Shame on ABC. Mr. Gibson was looking down his nose through the entire interview, and cuts off her responses frequently. His bias is transparent. I’d like to see Charlie interview Biden like with the same cold disdain! Yet, in spite of Mr. Gibson’s “interrogation-style” interview, Palin came across like the true-blue American she is.
I am pro-choice and was worried that Palin would try force her personal views on everyone else once elected. But, I like her attitudes. In fact, i think our views are very similar. I am personally pro-life, but feel that government should NOT dictate that choice to women. As a single mother/registered Democrat… I was never a “Hillary fan”…. but I LIKE Palin. I like her ideas for the country. I like her record in Alaska. Best of all, she has more “executive experience” than any of the other “male” candidates, and has a real record of “change.” If she gets into the White House I have NO doubt that she will shake things up for the benefit of the American people! McCain has earned my vote because he has proved his dedication for REAL CHANGE by choosing Palin. Go McCain!! Go Palin!!
Posted by: grace | September 12, 2008, 7:17 pm 7:17 pm
WOULD THE SUITS AT ABC CHIP IN AND BUY GRANDPA CHARLIE A PAIR OF CONTACTS. I FOUND HIM VERY CONDESENDING WHEN QUESTIONING GOV. PALIN AND LOOKING DOWN HIS NOSE AT HER THROUGH HIS GLASSES. NOTE: (COMPARE HIS INTERVIEW WITH OBAMA AND YOU’LL KNOW WHAT I MEAN.) AS FOR THE QUESTION REGARDING PRESIDENT BUSH’S DOCTRINE. THERE ARE EIGHT AREAS IN THE DOCTRINE, HE KNEW IT, AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE SPECIFIC. BILL SALMON WAS ON TV THIS A.M. AND HE STATED THAT HE WOULD NOT HAVE KNOWN THE EXACT ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION. WAS CHARLIE HOPING THIS WAS HIS “GOTCHA MOMENT”. AS FOR GOV. PALIN NOT BEING AVAILABLE TO THE PRESS–HOW IGNORANT. THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION JUST ENDED A SHORT TIME AGO AND SHE STILL HAS TO PERFORM THE DUTIES OF GOVENOR OF ALASKA. I THINK SHE IS PERFORMING ADMIRABLY AND IS MAKING HERSELF VERY AVAILABLE. SHE IS TRULY A GIFT FROM GOD AT THIS TIME IN HISTORY.
Posted by: BARBI | September 12, 2008, 7:21 pm 7:21 pm
Palin is smarter than a fifth grader. Once Nanny Jo and Dr. Phil endorse her she has my vote, but only if she can get past Chef Ramsey.
Posted by: janw | September 12, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
Where’s the Obama doctrine? Oh yeah that’s right he’s been campaigning for two years and hasn’t done anything…HAH!
Posted by: E | September 12, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
BUSH DOCTRINE. What a ridiculous question. It was an obvious ploy to disrupt her. These constant drills about PALIN should be beneath the professionalism of mainstream media. Hey, why not blind fold her as well.
When are they going to approach serious issues like who is most qualified to lead a troubled and complex country!
Why no one INTERROGATE BIDEN and OBMA the same way. I’d love to see OBAMA without the telepromter.
VOTE MCCAIN-PALIN, HERO, not ZERO!
Posted by: ALEXY | September 12, 2008, 8:21 pm 8:21 pm
Hey, Charlie:
You blind sided Sarah on the Bush Doctrine as you did me ??? What is the Bush Doctrine, anyway ?
JTA
Posted by: JTA | September 12, 2008, 8:47 pm 8:47 pm
You act like he posed the question to her in a foreign language. He didn’t. If it has so many meanings (and it doesn’t) why didn’t she just elaborate on at least one? This was not a trick question on a high school quiz people. This was a necessary inquiry into the knowledge on foreign afairs of potentially the second highest official in the US. She could have just said _ I don’t know which I honestly would have given her a pass. But instead, she seemed to revert back to her beauty pagaent training and made a poor attempt to bs the US public. I’m tired of that on so many levels.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm
Charlie has defined this so-called “doctrine” differently, on several separate occasions, with none ever the same. Isn’t this like a Faux Journalistic equivalent of a Shell Game, or a Ponzi Scheme?!
Posted by: Seriously Allergic To Idiots | September 12, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
He didn’t ask her to interpret his meaning did he? He asked her to express HER understanding. Stop the spin.
Posted by: AllergicToSpinAndLies | September 12, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
The different between Obama and Palin interview is Palin gives complete sentences. No huh huh ah ah from her interview.
Posted by: dd | September 12, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
Obama Also Doesn’t Know What The Bush Doctrine Means
ABC News’ Klein reports Obama said in a conference call with reporters that “Clinton would continue the ‘Bush Doctrine’ of only speaking to leaders of rogue nations if they first meet conditions laid out by the United States…The Bush administration’s policy is to say that he will not talk with these countries unless they meet various preconditions – that’s their explicit policy, and that was the question that was posed at the debate…Now, if that’s not what she means, then she should say so, but Obama: Clinton Would Continue ‘Bush Doctrine.’”
IS THIS REALLY PART OF BUSH’S DOCTRINE?
Here are a few of the different definitions of Bush’s doctrine.
Kenneth W. Stein, MERIA Journal, Volume 6, No. 2, June 2002. The Bush doctrine rests on three principles: (1) Pre-emption instead of containment and deterrence; (2) Act alone, if necessary, and (3) “Extend freedom across the globe to build a balance of power that favors freedom.”
Plil H. Gordon, Senior Fellow for U.S. Foreign Policy, Brookings. “Bush’s Doctrine’s basic assumptions – America is in a war against evil; all nations must choose to be for or against us in this struggle; we must act unilaterally or preemptively when necessary, and spreading democracy is the long-term solution to the problem of terrorism.”
Toobin on Lou Dobbs, January 27, 2006 said the “Bush doctrine that we have to export democracy, that democracy is always good, and – but look who wins. I mean, look who wins.”
Jeff Jacoby, Boston Globe, May 28, 2008. “The Bush Doctrine was clear: Any regime aiding terrorists or other enemies of the United States would pay a severe price.”
President Bush, Commencement Speech at West Point, June 1, 2002. “We cannot defend America and our friends by hoping for the best. We cannot put our faith in the word of tyrants, who solemnly sign non-proliferation treaties, and then systematically break them. If we wait for threats to fully materialize, we will have waited too long…We must take the battle to the enemy, disrupt his plans, and confront the worst threats before they emerge. In the world we have entered, the only path to safety is the path of action…”
Michael Kinsley, SLATE, March 20, 2003. “When the war began 15 months ago, the president’s Iraq policy rested on four broad principles: (1) The United States should act preemptively to prevent strikes on U.S. targets. (2) Washington should be willing to act unilaterally, alone or with a select coalition, when the United Nations or allies balk. (3) Iraq was the next cornerstone in the global war on terrorism. (4) Baghdad’s transformation into a new democracy would spark regionwide hanging by a sliver,” said Geoffrey kempt, A National Security Council staff member in the Reagan administration and now director of regional strategic programs at the Nixon Center.
Posted by: WHT | September 12, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm
Wow. That was devastating. That will surely end Charlie’s career .
Posted by: amerikan | September 12, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Wow. That was devastating. That will surely end Charlie’s career .
Posted by: amerikan | September 12, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Isn’t it just like a liberal journalist to ask a question about a doctrine that there is no specific meaning except what the media has ascribed to it. If you want to focus on these types of things as an example of lack of experience can you picture Obama’s first day on the job when he asks the Joint Chiefs of Staff to end the war in Iraq and asks that this be confirmed by each one of our 57 states. Or can you picture Biden visiting a head of state who might be paralyzed and he says “Stand up sir, stand up!” God love you.
Posted by: Brian | September 12, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm
I’m still waiting for an Obama supporter to fill in the 5 blanks above. No takers?
Posted by: damnfingers | September 12, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
CHARLIE WAS CONDESENDING – PLAIN AND SIMPLE. SITTING HIGHER, MAKING PALIN LOOK SMALL – HE IS BIASED AS THEY COME – Can you imagine him treating OBAMA like that? PLEEEEEESE! I am sick of Left and right. I hope America can think for themselves. Charlie is condesending – that’s the only word I can use to desrice the entire interview!!!
Posted by: Ann Marie | September 13, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
you idiots on this blog can’t even yourself explain the so call bush doctrine. it’s not only the inticipitory attacks. there’s a thing call wikipedia look it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: SETO | September 13, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am
I wanted to listen to what Palin had to say and all I could hear was Charlie interupting. Bush Doctrine should be every President’s doctrine – “Watch America’s behind! Let’s not forget that for the past 4 years the DEMs have run congress – so no one can blame the GOP for the non-decisions that have been occuring in Washington – But the LIBS (or those who can’t even name the Speaker of the House for Pete’s sake) will always put the blame of everything on the GOP.
Do Dems really believe that if we go soft that the world will love us? – Fantasy! Other countries don’t want us to lose our strength because they depend on us to protect their behinds.
Who truly believes that we shouldn’t protect ourselves? Wake up AMERICA!
Posted by: Ann Marie | September 13, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
All of this idiotic ranting just proves the American people don’t have the intelligence to make an educated vote for the leader of this country.
There should be a law that you can’t vote unless you have a graduate degree.
Obama is clearly the most intelligent candidate. Unfortunately, his intelligence frightens middle America.
That’s why they like Palin–she’s like them.
It would be hilarious if it wasn’t so frightening.
Bush was/is a laughing stock.
Let’s elect someone who is a true leader, not someone who you want to have a beer with or join shooting animals.
How barbaric and ridiculous! Only in America can an issue this serious be treated with such absurdity.
Posted by: Sandra | September 13, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am
I guess GOP picked the right VP, because there are actually people out there (You know – the kind that protest yet they don’t know who the heck is Biden,or if you mention Pelosi, they don’tknow who she is) – but yet they bash Bush because they have nothing better to do with their lives.
So three cheers for the GOP because there will be some people out there who will vote for Palin because she is pretty. That’s the intelligence we have to deal with in America. So hats off to the GOP because they’ll win.
I would have liked difficult questions for Obama so that everyone watching could realize that he agrees on some of the same issues that the GOP agrees on.
Posted by: Ann Marie | September 13, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am
Anyone in government would know that the Bush Doctrine was a defining moment when George W decided to change the rules from imminent danger to a preventative war. This is what allowed him to go to Iraq. For those that think this shows that she would not represent a third Bush term, you are missing the whole point. And you don’t create a new doctrine when you are elected into office. This transpired because he wanted to take us into a war in a country that did not pose imminent danger.
You say that Obama has not been asked such challenging questions? Where have you been. He has been drilled and scrutinized by the press for the past 19 months of campaigning. Bill O’Reilly of Fox News was not only brutal in his questioning but hardly let Obama get a word in edge wise. At least Charlie let her speak.
You should be more concerned that she went against McCain’s position on Pakistan and actually agreed with Obama’s position. And I’m more concerned that she pretended to know what she was talking about with her style when in truth she would have us go to war with Russia at the blink of an eye, clearly doesn’t understand the intricacies of what is happening with Israel, has the largest amount of earmark dollars per capita than any other State for things like the mating habits of crabs, still continues to be deceptive about The Bridge to Nowhere, has been adamant about her extreme view about abortion even in the case of rape and incest but now all of a sudden is saying that it’s something she would be open to discussing, has been adamant about the environment not being caused by man and now backpedaling. You get the point. When i do talk to people who are for McCain/Palin, they are generallly either wealthy and don’t want their taxes increased which Obama will do to the wealthy but not the middle class or they don’t know much about the issues and think it’s cool that Palin is a woman who seems real and confident. Shouldn’t we be thinking about our candidates with more scrutiny than that?
I live in Michigan and we’re concerned because the Republican party is making sure that all of the people who have had their homes foreclosed won’t be able to vote. If this party is for change and for The Country and the people of this Country having a hard time, why are they the party who doesn’t want the people who no longer can afford their homes to vote?
Posted by: karen | September 13, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
I see a lot of comments referring to “look it up in Wikipedia.” Since when is Wikipedia a scholarly cited encyclopedia? Wikipedia is a phenomenon of the digital age and is NOT on par with Britannica, Worldbook or Oxford encyclopedias, to name a few. Wikipedia is an anonymous, collaborative “wiki” digital collaboration with no research or scholarly references to support content.
From a librarian
Posted by: Anabel Parra | September 13, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am
OF COURSE THE MCCAIN BACKERS ARE WEALTHY – THEY’RE THE EDUCATED, SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS WHO GIVE OTHERS JOBS, Silly. OF COURSE THE UNEDUCATED TREE HUGGERS, FREE-LOADER, SOCIALISTS are for Obama – they think they will get more programs that tax-payers will have to dish out. Where does Obama think the monry is going to come from? MITT ROMNEY got every MA resident health insurance – that’s who we needed as President – but the people blew it! ANd he was MA Governer for no pay – now that’s a CLASS ACT!
Posted by: Ann Marie | September 13, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am
To Ann Marie,
I hate to tell you this but I am a business owner who will be taxed at a higher rate with Obama and willing to do it because there is just too much of a financial squeeze on the middle class and lower. That’s Country First. I am not a free loader and have never been and while I have deep concern for the health of our planet, I’m not a tree hugger. Obama is not for hand-outs. He is know for his programs that get people off the street into jobs to support themselves. Why do you need to get so angry over a political discussion? Name calling and generalities are not going to move this country forward. It’s nice that you would like to have Mitt Romney as President but I believe we are discussing issues that are relevant and crucial now.
Posted by: karen | September 13, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am
I am not suppose to know what the Bush Doctrine is, you either. However; the person entrusted to be a heart beat away from the presidency of the US should have this knowledge.
How can she effectively be a member of an administration that will inherit the war in Iraq that was justified by the Bush Doctrine. All of the bickering about experience vs. judgement has sidetraced us form the most important qualification to be our leader. Intelligence is a must for the leader of the US coupled with the ability to formulate clear and concise thought patterns and the ability to effectively communicate the policies of our country. Sarah failed on all points.
For those who do not understand why she is not qualified, I do not fault you soley. Over the past 8 years we have witnessed the dumbing down to the presidency. We have become people who have settled for and accept mediocrity.
There is something very unsettling about her.
Posted by: clarity | September 13, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am
Clarity,
Your point that we as Americans might not know what the Bush Doctrine is, but anyone running for a governmental office should is excellent. Although most people I know knew what it was or at least the significance of it.
I would like to add that reality TV has contributed to the acceptance of mediocrity. People have become accustomed to “ordinary folks like me” becoming super starts on shows like American Idol. Now “ordinary folks like me” can become President of United States. It’s sad, but unfortunately so true. Look at many of the comments on this blog and others. People are saying “I love her…she’s so much like me”. While I feel I am relatively intelligent and have run a successful business for 17 years, I would hope that anyone running for the Presidency is more qualified and intelligent than I am.
Posted by: karen | September 13, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am
Kind of a strange interview… unlike most others I have seen. As for the Bush doctrine question – in ANY other interview they would have explained exactly which version of the so called “Bush Doctrine” to they were referring. I have heard several. So have others. Clearly it was not an attempt to get her views, but it was just an attempt to make her look bad. She still looked good. Even so, Palin needs to continue to say “bring it on” to everyone who is challenging her abilities. So far it has bounced right back at them. We’ll see if she can continue to befuddle her critics and make the democrats ever so nervous and panicked.
Posted by: Tom | September 13, 2008, 2:53 am 2:53 am
Well, you can certainly tell who the True Believers are. Eric Hoffer could write True Belivers II. Don’t let any facts stand in your way in making your argument!
Sandra, you stated that a graduate degree should be required to vote–a graduate degree in what? After eight years of colklege (undergrad and grad), it was obviouss to me that many receiving graduate degrees did not have enough common sensse or objectice thinking capability to come in out of a hurricane. Yet I know people with no college at all who are very intelligent–they have not been indoctrinated by leftwing professors.
Regarding Wikipedia, our libraian friend is somewhat off base–0granted that there are some errors, there is also much useful knowledge there. For instance, I looked up Classical Liberal, which I have been for years (not to be confused with today’s leftwing liberal) and found a very accurate description. As a professional researcher, I always verify facts from ANY source, especially third party sources.
Charity, you need to read Charles Krauthammer’s column on the issue. Mr Krauthammer coined the phrase in June 2001. Does one REALLY need to know the Bush Doctrine, which some assert was the basis for the Iraq War, to bring the war to a satisfactory conclusion??
While Bush’s approval rating is low, it is twice that of Congress! Could it that Bush’s rating is low because Democrats have not been able accept that bush DID beat Gore in 2000 (I live in Florida-so bring on your cries of outrage.) and have carried on the Clintonian Permanent Campaign against him day-in and day-out. I will be the first to grant that Bush has made some errors, but he has done many things right: such as helping the economy recover after 9/11. The economy was doing fine despite the trash talk from the Dems, until Jan. 2007, when the Dems took over both houses of Congress. Is it possible that the Dems wanted the economy to tank to have an issue for the election?
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 13, 2008, 6:47 am 6:47 am
palin is just smart by mouth not by brain,she needs to go back to school.
Posted by: obama mo coke | September 13, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am
palin isnot capable of being vp,she just smart by mouth not brain,you better go back to school.
Posted by: obama mo coke | September 13, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am
The BUSH DOCTRINE is as follows:
Pre-emptive Strikes on the wrong country
Bankryptcy at home,
Lies and deceptions,
Plunder the treasury,
Feed billions to cronies,
No press conferences,
Attack the media,
Kill young Americans in far off lands.
Posted by: Mmm-ike | September 13, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
Hey obama mo coke and Mmm-ike
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion no matter how wrongheaded it may be! My best wishes to you both-hopefully you will get your lives in order soon!
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 13, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Obama, who sits on the Foreign Intelligence Committee, DID NOT KNOW that Russia had a veto in the UN Security Council. He gave advice to the president based on that IGNORANCE. Talk about not ready to be predssient? Obama is not even ready to be senator.
People who vote for him are fools.
Posted by: fourtunato | September 13, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
LIBS- There are 4 variations of the term “Bush Doctrine” She asked “in what aspect” CG didn’t even know, he only knew of the 1 example. When will BO get some tought questions? You say he has good judgement but spent 20 years listening to a hate filled/anti-American, anti/white, Rev. Wright. He associates, still, with a self admitted American Terrorist, shady real estate deals, he founded PUBLIC ALLIES (look it up), he was against the surge, we would have lost the war if he were in charge, did he lie on his request to take the BAR, why only 1 page medical record, why a different last name on school records, I can go on. He sent 30 attorneys/investigators to Wasilla to dig up dirt on Palin, yet there is mounds of dirt readily available to the media on Obama and they will not cover it. Go figure.
Posted by: Joel | September 13, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Which Bush doctrine? There have been four. Gibson was wrong. What a “gotcha” hatchet job! ABC, that was pathetic!
Posted by: RJ Johnson | September 13, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
Mr. Gibson asked a question that most Americans and most politicians don’t know exactly what was meant by the Bush Doctrine so the form of the question was bad.
Mr. Gibson would have had a better question to say something that most people would understand. :
What do you think of the use of preemptive strikes against a country without getting UN approval? And further, do you believe in cutting taxes and use the trickle down and credit card to pay for preemptive wars?
Another question: If the Republicans win control of congress and if McCain is elected, how will he begin to pay off some of our long term debt? All I hear, is cut taxes and perpetuate the myth that the trickle down theory will solve all problems.
Oh, I know! We can pay it off by eliminating Medicare, Medicaid and social security and shipping more jobs overseas and still cutting the job shippers taxes as usual.
But don’t worry, the deficit is small compared to our GDP. Bad news! We don’t tax the GDP so it will just create a deeper and deeper debt if we cut, baby cut
Posted by: LL314USA | September 13, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
The interview was an attempted hatchet job from the beginning. Charlie Gibson never saw the questions his staff prepared until he read them to Governor Palin.
His smug “gotcha” personna would disappear if he had to answer the same questions. In fact, I have $500.00 that says ole Charlie could not give an answer to any of the questions he expected Governor Palin to answer.
The results of the smear campaign is that it is backfiring. Liberals are so dumb.
Posted by: Sundance 44 | September 13, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Sarah Palin must show that she can stand up to the pressure. Charles Gibson demonstrated that she can. As to the so-called Bush doctrine, Gibson was in error. I suggest he take to his researchers to task for the goof. See attached article on his gaffee.
http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/13/charlie_gibsons_gaffee
Posted by: Patrick | September 13, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
In the future I see… a merger between ABC and MSNBC. A word to Charles Gibson: you had the condescending look through the bifocals… but where was the pipe and the smoking jacket?
Also, Chuck… do you know what the “Bush Doctrine” is?
Posted by: LA | September 13, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am
I find it funny that both political sides are just crazy!! I can’t believe how divided we are. Sarah Palin did well in her first interview. Gibson was tough, which he should be, and Palin I thought gave him good answers. She was not specific but I don’t think she had to be or could be.
Truthfully, neither canadite is specific because they really don’t know what they are going to do, because the world around us is constantly changing. People make decisions based on their core beliefs and ideals. Sarah showed through the interview that she believes in freedom. That you may have to go to war to up hold your ideals, and to keep your allies and America safe. McCain appears to believe in the same thing.
Obama appears to believe in diplomacy and avoid conflict at all costs. You only go to war if someone attacks you first. I’m not sure if Obama would go to war to protect one of our allies, like Isreal, Georgia, France, England, Europe, etc, if they were attacked.
As a conservative, one thing that angers me about Bush and his economic plan is that I thought his ideals were less government and fical responsiblity, but he has not shown that in his 8 years as president. He likes lower taxes but will spend more than we make.
Sarah Palin in her interview discussed, and demonstrated as mayor and governer, her economic beliefs for success..
1) keep taxes as low as possible, 2)make government more efficient to keep spending at a minimum and 3) government should be governing (overseeing) not running business and peoples lives.
McCain appears to believe the same thing. Bush and many other Republicans say they believe in these ideals but have not demonstrated it. (Talk is cheap and bad for the economy.)
Obama does not believe in those economic principles. He believes government should help run business, and should make laws to run peoples lives. He appears to believe giving people money for doing nothing makes them work harder. (Truthfully it doesn’t make them want to work at all.)
In conclusion, to look to specifics and details from any of the canidates is presumptuous. If you were to ask Bush, 8 years ago, what he would have done if a terrist attacked America, would he go to war and what is is plan? I’m not sure he would have an specific answer. (Is that a fair question?) The truth is aall politicians lie and tell people what they want to hear. As voter we need to cut through the retoric and try to determine what their ideals and true worldview is. Palins interview confirmed and showed me her ideals and worldview, as a conservative. I agree with most of it, because that is what I am. Others may disagree and also make me fustrated, but I won’t call them names. Lets grow up and stick to the facts.
Posted by: Ben | September 13, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am
Charlie Gibson proved his leftist leanings while trying to KO Palin. Compare this interview with the Obama & Stephanopoulis lovefest where George had to correct Barry’s “Muslim” faith word. The no longer relevant main stream media have proven that there are two standards when it comes to interviews of Conservatives versus Liberals. Charlie, it is time for you to resign and start taking some serious medicine for beating up on the girl. By the way Charlie, which Bush doctorine where you referring to? You are a hack.
Posted by: Mike | September 13, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
Charlie really could have been a lot tougher on her if he had asked her about the Medvedev Doctrine since they were talking about Russia.
Posted by: Bruce | September 13, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
Charlie Gibson showed himself to be a dolt by asking about “The Bush Doctrine” when in fact there have been 4 distinct “Bush Doctrines” put forth in the last 7 1/2 years. The first was to forego international consensus and act unilaterally i.e. Kyoto etc., second was the declaration that if you harbor terrorist and do not act to curb them you will be considered an adversary, i.e. you are either with us or against us, third was the right to preemptively strike in the defense of the U.S., and fourth was the doctrine of spreading democracy. Palin answered correctly by asking which doctrine Gibson was referring to the dolt is Gibson who only is aware of one of the four “Bush Doctrines”
Posted by: Ronald | September 13, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Ronald, would you say that each of the 4 distinct “Bush Doctrines” evolved in series or in parallel to each other. In other words did he forego/declare null and void the previous doctrine and take on a “new” doctrine or did he merely expand his doctrine to include each new “principle”?
Posted by: Bruce | September 13, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
People are acting like “The Bush Doctrine” is the Constitution or the Ten Commandments. Last night Bill O’Reilly said he pays close attention and would not have known how to answer that question. Then Karl Rove went through the 4 different evolutionary stages of “The Bush Doctrine”. My guess is that Gibson didn’t know the answer either- that’s why he couldn’t be more specific in his questioning. The Bush Doctrine is just something journalists made up. It is INSIDER jargon and Palin is NOT an insider. That is why we like her! Sarah will make up her own jargon!!
McCain, Biden and Obama have ALL stated that Georgia should enter NATO. The treaty is like a club- all members enjoy the protection of the others if invaded. That is what Sarah was trying to tell Gibson. Obama would would have to go to war with Russia too if Russia invaded a NATO country. But liberals try to make it sound like Palin wants to go to war with Russia. I know you think Republicans are stupid- but you are really letting your own ignorance show when you say extremely stupid things like this.
Posted by: teri | September 13, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm
As the originator of the Bush Doctrine stated, there is about 8 different bush doctrines if you count all the ideas Bush has put forth that have been labled “bush doctrine” — The one Charlie referred to was about # 3 and the one Sarah answered was another one. Apparently Charlie doesn’t have any idea of what the “Bush Doctrine” and was setting a trap for Sarah to fall into.
Crazy times in our media
Posted by: Jack | September 13, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Charlie Gibson showed his ignorance when he asked about the “Bush Doctrine.” In fact, there have been four “Bush Doctrines.” When Gov. Palin asked Gibson to which doctrine he was referring, Gibson got frustated. Apparently his Democratic National Committee talking points did not mention the other three doctrines.
Posted by: ZerO Obama | September 13, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
Imagine, the same crazy loons writing the above comments have the right to vote; now that is scary.
Read Krauthammer’s column and end this silly talk about “The Bush Doctrine.”
Posted by: ed | September 13, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm
Gibson, your are a putts-you do not even know the “Bush Doctrine” What a dummie!!!!!
Posted by: Jack | September 13, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
The BUSH DOCTRINE is simple SCREW AMERICA..And he has done so for 8 years.
She is BUSH in a bra and panties.
Posted by: P-51 jock | September 13, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
If Palin doesn’t get elected, then who’s going to attack Russia for us? I mean, SOMEBODY has to attack Russia. And Iran. And North Korea. Jeez.
Posted by: Eric | September 13, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
Charles Krauthammer got it right, Charles Gibson got it wrong.
Posted by: Robinson | September 13, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
I agree that most amreicans don’t know what is the Bush Ductrine but the Vice President should know that . Come on Americans, let’s set the Bar a litte higher…..
Posted by: Ringo | September 13, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
Ben–Great job!
Ringo–yes, let’s set the bar higher and have a candidate on the “D” side who has at least minimal qualifications.
Is know of the “Bush Doctrine” as the ABC Talking Head believes it to be, necessary to bring the war in Iraq to a successful conclusion? If so, than BO had better start “boning up” on it!
Posted by: TJeffersonian | September 13, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Quote from msnbc.msn.com/id/26687065:
Many versions of “Bush Doctrine”
…
“Peter D. Feaver, who worked on the Bush national security strategy as a staff member on the National Security Council, said he has counted as many as seven distinct Bush doctrines. They include the president’s second-term “freedom agenda”; the notion that states that harbor terrorists should be treated no differently than terrorists themselves; the willingness to use a “coalition of the willing” if the United Nations does not address threats; and the one Gibson was talking about — the doctrine of preemptive war.
“If you were given a quiz, you might guess that one, because it’s one that many people associate with the Bush doctrine,” said Feaver, now a Duke University professor. “But in fact it’s not the only one.” ”
…
“Zbigniew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser, said he thought there was no “single piece of paper” that represents the Bush doctrine, but said several ideas collectively make up the doctrine, including the endorsement of preventive war and the idea that there is such a thing as a “war on terror.”
“There are many elements to the Bush doctrine,” he said.
n an interview, Bush press secretary Dana Perino said that “the Bush doctrine is commonly used to describe key elements of the president’s overall strategy for dealing with threats from terrorists.” She laid out three elements:
“The United States makes no distinction between those who commit acts of terror and those who support and harbor terrorists. . . . We will confront grave threats before they fully materialize and will fight the terrorists abroad so we don’t have to face them at home. . . . We will counter the hateful ideology of the terrorist by promoting the hopeful alternative of human freedom.” ”
Peter D. Feaver said “If you were given a quiz, you might guess that one (preemptive war)”.
Questioning about a subject that the questioned have to take a guess what is the real question is not a fair question at best. If Obama had the same question before last Thursday, he may not know which versions of the Bush Doctrine was asked.
Posted by: HTSS | September 13, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
After watching both interviews, I think Ms Palin did poorly on the first one. Her makeup and lighting made her looked worse, she was nervous and tense, she looked like all other life long politicians. Her answers looked like she was reading from her memory of what was taught the last few days. Her performance was no better than a C+. I would not vote for her if this is the only interview.
On the second interview, everything was better. She looked like herself, her tone was more relaxed and natural. Her answers were easy to understand. She needs to be herself as she was on the night she accepted her nomination last week. Her performance was a solid B+. She may get my vote and some independent voters based on this second interview.
Posted by: HTSS | September 13, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
“Bush Doctrine” is well researched and understood now.
How about the Doctrines of previous 6 US Presidents: Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan, Carter, Ford and Nixon.
Anybody, include talking heads – pundits, knows the Doctrine of any one of these 6 Presidents without extensive research ?
Posted by: HTSS | September 13, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
if we’re picking a president, vice president or dog catcher for that matter on “gotcha” questions,then by all means judge their qualifications by initial reactions to idealogical doctrines that only last for the term of the incumbent.( if the Bush Docrine was law or in any history book who couldn’t study and learn about it,but why know anything about it if it does not apply to the next office holder? should we expect candidates to know how many calories are in a Big Mac or the planet that Pamela Anderson lives on? or to be jesting, the “color” of that lipstick?)Language being what it is,rephrasing a query so the recipient understands it is always the descent thing to do considering we are all human and subject to error.Our ignorance can be remedied ,our bad manners corrected,but prejudice is incurable as long as the diseased refuses to admit the condition.Listening with both ears, preferred above listening with only a “right” or a “left” ear, would lend to an “educated” process for a decision of this importance.Does any one disagree?fellow americans quit throwing stones at each other!! a house divided will surely fall!!make our founding father’s proud and make your decision on facts,not only by your emotions.Let us be a “United” States!!
Posted by: mike | September 13, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Good grief! The double standard here is so painfully obvious. This “Bush Doctrine” question was clearly an attempt to trap Sarah Palin – an embarrassment of you Gibson!
And I am not even a McCain/Palin supporter! I agree that the “Bush Doctrine” as you define it Charlie, is incorrect. I have read that there are as many as 4 interpretations of the Bush Doctrine, yet still Sarah Palin manages to answer your half baked question! Ask some clear questions, don’t try to ensnare. I thought your question about the earmarks was a good one by the way.
Posted by: Mike | September 13, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm
The Bush doctrine…
1. Screw America.
2. Steal as much as you can for the Bush crime family..
3. Attack other nations you don’t like.
4. Kill as many American military as you can.
5 Rape the country.
6.Rape the world.
7. Be the dumbest Son O* * Bit** to ever to enter the White House in 232 years.
And he accomplished it all in 8 years. This is the Bush Doctrine.
Posted by: P-51 jock | September 13, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
Hubris?
Gibson had the nerve to accuse Gov Plain of having hubris?
How about the hubris Gibson showed by declaring that he and he alone would decide what the “Bush Doctrine” was! There is no one Bush doctrine. Gibson’s attitude was disgusting, with that looking over his glasses down his nose to the governor. I wonder if Gibson ever accused Obama for having the hubris to run for president after less than 2 years in the senate!
Posted by: tepeko | September 13, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
Please, please ask the hard questions of Obama. Here’s a fellow whose mentors were Marxists, gives the “finger” to Hillary, has no experience in management, has been a Senator in name only and he has only been quizzed once by the news media. Thankfully, ABC asked reasonable questions rather batting their eyes at him. I think the last time I saw this much fawning was w/ JFK. Even when reporters caught him returning from sexual encounters, they didn’t question his morality or maturity. News has returned to its yellow journalism roots. Shame on you.
Posted by: bill | September 13, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm
Bush DOCTRINE???? Come on folks this guy is to stupid to pop a bag of pop corn and you accuse him of having a DOCTRINE???? His mother should have washed him down a sink 62 years ago when she had the chance. That is why they invented douche bags..And the world would THANK her today..
Posted by: P-51 jock | September 13, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm
Only a true idiot would find Palin to be unqualified, but Obama to be qualified. That is the real issue here, is that top of the lib ticket has no experience with running anything at all. He doesn’t even run his own campaign. He has never really stuck with any of the offices he has been into for very long, but immediately seeks another.
Posted by: Steve | September 14, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am
The other thing is that libs are too busy trying to silence people that disagree with them, make them look like idiots, call them idiots, or in some way discredit them. What kind of a person does that? Libs are never introspective at all. They would never say “oh, liberalism had a bad result here”. They would defend the devil himself as long as he agreed with them on the liberal agenda, and come to think of it, he probably does on many things. The problem again with liberals is they are more interested in looking right and feeling good than they are actually doing the right thing, or doing good.
Posted by: steve | September 14, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am
Bush Doctrine: Mess with us and we’ll turn your country into a Democracy.
Now Palin is ‘dumb’. I thought ‘idiot’ was the preferred Lib derisive label. Oh, ‘moronic’ seems to be in style, too. And there’s the brand new ‘pig’ that’s been dusted off from back in the day when their grandparents got high and stuck flowers in National Guardsmen’s rifles. (Didn’t Comrade Lennon call President Nixon a pig? So I guess there is solid precedent there).
At least Palin doesn’t stutter.
That’s it…we Republicans should just start calling Obama a stuttering, big-eared, wart-nosed, dum-dum, poopy pants and get with this neo-Marxist groove thang.
Yeah, so much for debating the issues.
Posted by: Grand Old Party | September 14, 2008, 3:15 am 3:15 am
“You can see Russia from Alaska??
Boy, she sure hit that one out of the park.”
I just had to pick on this question. It’s funny when somebody is clueless and tries to degrade others.
Technically Alaska and Russia share a border, because the distance between Little Diomede Island in Alaska and Big Diomede Island in Russia is shorter than the international standard on territorial waters. From land to land is 2.4 miles. I don’t know about you, but I can see 2.4 miles across open water.
Posted by: Gerald | September 14, 2008, 3:35 am 3:35 am
Little Diomede Island, belongs to the U.S.Back in the 1950′s and 1960′s the U.S.Air Force, operated long range search and height finding radars as part of the “DEW” (Distant Early Warning Line) tracking Soviet bombers coming south..If an officer really screwed up big time his next assignment was Commnding Officer of “Little Diomede”.And from there on to the trash heap. One nasty island, not exactly like Maui..But fishing was good.a 12 month tour for the poor GI’s.And no pigs to put lipstick on either.
Posted by: P-51 jock | September 14, 2008, 4:38 am 4:38 am
READ IT AND WEEP . . .
WHY, oh WHY don’t journalists do their homework before writing drivel?
(Now, wouldn’t ignorance be a convenient excuse?)
Now that you’ve just read a load of crap, take it from the person who coined the term, “Bush Doctrine.”
I report truth; it’s up to you to decide what to believe.
If the following copied and pasted text does not make it into this forum (“Charlie Gibson’s Gaffe”), then please visit Charles Krauthammer’s site at Washington Post. Thanks.
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CHARLIE GIBSON’S GAFFE
By Charles Krauthammer
Washington Post
Saturday, September 13, 2008; Page A17
“At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of ‘anticipatory self-defense.’ ”
– New York Times, Sept. 12
Informed her? Rubbish.
The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.
There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.
He asked Palin, “Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?”
She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, “In what respect, Charlie?”
Sensing his “gotcha” moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, Gibson grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine “is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense.”
Wrong.
I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of the Weekly Standard entitled, “The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism,” I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush doctrine.
Then came 9/11, and that notion was immediately superseded by the advent of the war on terror. In his address to the joint session of Congress nine days after 9/11, President Bush declared: “Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.” This “with us or against us” policy regarding terror — first deployed against Pakistan when Secretary of State Colin Powell gave President Musharraf that seven-point ultimatum to end support for the Taliban and support our attack on Afghanistan — became the essence of the Bush doctrine.
Until Iraq. A year later, when the Iraq war was looming, Bush offered his major justification by enunciating a doctrine of preemptive war. This is the one Charlie Gibson thinks is the Bush doctrine.
It’s not. It’s the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush’s second inaugural address: “The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.”
This declaration of a sweeping, universal American freedom agenda was consciously meant to echo John Kennedy’s pledge in his inaugural address that the United States “shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” It draws also from the Truman doctrine of March 1947 and from Wilson’s 14 points.
If I were in any public foreign policy debate today, and my adversary were to raise the Bush doctrine, both I and the audience would assume — unless my interlocutor annotated the reference otherwise — that he was speaking about the grandly proclaimed (and widely attacked) freedom agenda of the Bush administration.
Not the Gibson doctrine of preemption.
Not the “with us or against us” no-neutrality-is-permitted policy of the immediate post-9/11 days.
Not the unilateralism that characterized the pre-9/11 first year of the Bush administration.
Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed “doctrines” in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines which come out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few other contradictory or conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.
Such is not the case with the Bush doctrine.
Yes, Sarah Palin didn’t know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn’t pretend to know — while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and “sounding like an impatient teacher,” as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes’ reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.
letters@charleskrauthammer.com
Posted by: StellaCa | September 14, 2008, 5:07 am 5:07 am
Good time Charlie knew the whole world was watching him interview Palin – not him. But because he doesn’t want to come off as bland and milquetoast as he always does (yawn), perhaps Charlie thought he might take the opportunity to reinvent himself as a hard-hitting, pull no punches real-deal kind of journalist.
Bull.
If the guy ever plays poker, I’ll bet he goes home broke more than he’d like to admit.
Posted by: StellaCa | September 14, 2008, 5:16 am 5:16 am
I am practicing anticipatory biased reporting and avoiding Charles Gibson’s ambush style of interviewing. He should be ashamed that he went from the reporter known as Charlie to a pompous, self-possessed, lay-in-wait rube.
Posted by: MackDaddy | September 14, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
I will never believe ABC News for this is the 2nd time they have deceived the public on there news coverage. If you do an interview, cutting and pasting answers is BS. http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/12/abc-edits-out-palin-objection-to-holy-war-question/
This news organization couldn’t be anymore biased. Very shamefull!
Posted by: Russell in Suffolk | September 14, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
It is not good look for Barack Obama to be president because he is a liar and whiner and negativer. Mc Cain and Sarah are focusing on issues good , Think hard, You should read Obama`s body lanuage , he thinks he is president now , not yet! I don`t want him to be president this year. Did you see Obama kissed Biden`s wife , That`s gross I bet you all Obama will bother women when he is president , Good Role?? No way, I know Obama was a pimp in Hawaii .
Let vote McCAIN FOR PRESIDENT!!!
Posted by: Buck | September 14, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
Disgusting “journalism” from Gibson. He didn’t even know what he was talking about. When there are four potential explanations for the Bush doctrine, Palin was correct in asking for clarification. Then, the explanation that Gibson gave is old, outdated, and incorrect. What a dummy! Where is his reprimand? ABC, I’m done with you.
Posted by: tali | September 14, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am
Here’s a novel idea; How about reporting the news instead of creating it! Gibson’s arrogant on condescending conduct in his interview of Palin is no surprise. It’s crystal clear that ABC News is a staunch supporter of Obama, and I would love to hear their SPECIFIC answers why. No way I’m holding my breath on that, since I don’t beleive they have the capacity to do so. Speaking of people who “Don’t get it”, ABC fails to recognize their own failure to provide objective journalism to the American public. Further proof that they are head over heals in love with the Barack Obama. As much as they believe Bush has failed our country in every way, ABC and other major media outlets have failed miserably.
Posted by: Kevin | September 14, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
As was pointed out by the man who coined the term “Bush Doctrine”, Charles Krauthammer, Charles Gibson does not know what the Bush Doctrine is because he completely mis-stated it in the interview. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457_pf.html
Posted by: TyroneJ | September 14, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
The Bush Doctrine can also be easily remember by his the “with us or against us speech” later states that we need to ‘strike’ any state that sponsors terrorism or harbors terrorists.. Thus the reasoning behind Iraq.
I like to think of this reasoning as faulty because – using a Star Wars Quote
‘only a Sith talks in absolutes’
I’m not sure a democracy should be run in absolutes…
Posted by: Facti | September 14, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
Bush Doctrine….Bush SUCKS..
Posted by: P-51 jock | September 14, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
At the risk of responding to comments that show little review or knowledge of the BUSH DOCTRINE, and great dislike for Gov. Palin, and any comments I add are in the minority of ideas here, I’ll risk it, and … I’ll wade in anyway -
If one is interested in this “Doctrine” allow me to direct you to an article written by Charles Krauthammer on the Palin/Gibson interview where he states: (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202457.html)
“The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.
There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration — and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.”
Krauthammer also directs people to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_doctrine) that talks about this topic.
So, Gov. Palin’s question back to Mr. Gibson asking him to qualify his vague question was not because she doesn’t know what the Bush Doctrine is/was – it’s because Mr. Gibson didn’t know how to ask the question for which he wanted an answer.
If the persons commenting here are really interested in all the “facts” they, hopefully, will be interested in see the “other side” of the Story.
Posted by: G | September 15, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
I saw the interview and the only thing that Palin forgot to say at the end of her response about the Bush Doctrine was
“Knibb high football rules”–it worked for Billy Maddison
Posted by: scottg | September 15, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am
G
Get a clue. If Palin knew what the Bush Doctrine was but that she needed for Gibson to clarify his question, she could have let him know that there is not a fully agreed upon definition of what the Bush Doctrine was/is and he needs his question to be more clear. She could have turned the question around on Gibson and seemed so much more educated; instead she gave a high school/beauty pageant type answer.
Posted by: scottg | September 15, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am
The proper answer Palin should have given is that the Bush Doctrine has been a miserable failure. No WMDs, no Iraq / Al Queda connection. Nearly a trillion dollars down the drain with nothing to show for it. Over 4,000 of our troops dead and many tens of thousands more wounded. Growth in Islamic extremism. And Bin Laden still not caught! C´mon people, time for a change. Obama-Biden 08.
Posted by: George | September 15, 2008, 5:53 am 5:53 am
Sarah Rocks and the Libs are very scared of her! Women unite! Don’t let the Dems. BS you again and make you think they are the party for women! The Libs threw Hillary under the bus and off the planet!
Posted by: sexistnbc | September 15, 2008, 7:19 am 7:19 am
Obama is a muslim!
Posted by: sexistnbc | September 15, 2008, 7:21 am 7:21 am
OMG! If Charlies claim is as follows “Gibson explained that he was asking if she agrees with Bush that the United States has “the right to a pre-emptive strike against any other country that we think is going to attack us.”" Did the Bush “Doctrine” led us to confrontation with North Korea and Vietnam? I don’t recall either of these countries attacking us. This interview was a farce, period
Posted by: Tony Ross | September 15, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am
Bush Doctrine = Failure
Posted by: newz4i | September 15, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Charlie Gibson failed to realize, and he’s the one who had the questions ahead of time, that there are numerous “Bush Doctrines” in existence. Whoever created this question either knew it was ambiguous and meant to make Governor look bad on purpose or was a complete ignoramus with very poor investigative talent.
From Wikipedia:
The Bush Doctrine is a term used to describe the foreign policy doctrine of United States president George W. Bush, enunciated in the wake of the September 11, 2001 attacks. It may be viewed as a set of several related foreign policy principles, including stress on ending terrorism, spreading democracy,[1] increased unilateralism in foreign policy[1] and an expanded view of American national security interests. Foreign policy experts argue over the meaning of the term “Bush Doctrine,” and some scholars have suggested that there is no one unified theory underlying Bush’s foreign policy. Jacob Weisberg identifies six successive “Bush Doctrines” in his book The Bush Tragedy,[2] while former Bush staffer Peter D. Feaver has counted seven.[3] Other foreign policy experts have taken the term to mean Bush’s doctrine of preventive war, first articulated in 2002, which holds that the United States government should depose foreign regimes that represent a threat to the security of the United States, even if such threats are not immediate and no attack is imminent.
So which one of those “Doctrines” did Mr. Gibson refer to in the question?
Posted by: Jayf | September 15, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
Obama’s change means…
-Universal health care.
-Not just acknowledge that global warming exists but take action to reduce it through alternative energy sources, hybrid cars, etc.
-Create green collar jobs.
-Invest in our infrastructure, also creating jobs.
-End the war in Iraq. Focus on Afghanistan.
-Restore our position on the world stage.
-Truly invest in education so we can compete with China. Increase teacher pay, merit pay.
-Will separate out the social security fund so those funds are not used to balance the federal budget, as is currently the case.
-Restore sanity to Wall Street by bringing back oversight.
-Tax cuts for all, except for those making over $603,403 a year.
-End tax benefits to companies who ship jobs overseas.
-End the corporate tax loopholes.
-Shut down Guantanamo Bay.
-Finally pass a bill to create equal pay for equal work.
-Raise the minimum wage, indexing it to the inflation rate.
-Diplomacy vs. saber-rattling.
-Secure loose nuclear materials.
-End the practice of lobbyists writing our laws.
-And on those awful earmarks, disclose the name of legislators who ask for earmarks and require a written justification within 72 hours before they will be approved by the Senate.
-end subsidies to oil and gas companies who have had record profits.
-windfall profits tax on oil companies with a $1000 energy rebate to taxpayers. Which is the same thing Palin has done in Alaska. Alaskans normally get a yearly check for $2000 but this year it will be $3200 because of the windfall profits tax she imposed on oil companies in her state.
I could go on but you can go to Obama’s web site. It’s all there. McCain’s web site doesn’t even address the issue of social security.
Posted by: KC | September 15, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am
Palin just repeated her well-rehearsed lines to every question. She has a set of answers she would apply to every question if it sounded similar enough..its why she often didn’t answer the question. Its so sad that despite this, people ate it up and actually think she did well. I guess after Bush our expectations are incredibly low.
Posted by: Paulus | September 15, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm
watch the john gibson inverview with john edwards 4 years ago and you will see how he was so much easier on him, lol. what a biased joke.
Posted by: john | September 15, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm
The American public has no idea what the Bush Doctrin is because there are as many definitions as there are news people. The “Bush Doctrin” is a creation of the media and columnist. There is no such document prepared and published by the Executive branch of our government. I doubt any of the comment contributors that are blasting Palin could have defined the doctrine either. I bet Charlie “Rude” Gibson could not define the other 9 versions of the doctrine. Charlie really needs to move over to NBC where he belongs
Posted by: Nitehawk1980 | September 15, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
etw: What is the Bush doctrine? I bet you along with 99% of these posters have no clue. Its not a book? Its not a Law? so what is it? I don’t no all of it. Its just a phrase for a type of run white house.
Posted by: Jim Rod | September 15, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
I’m a 64 year old female that votes independent. I’m a successful business woman, wife, mother and grandmother. I have never in my life seen such unabashed criticism of someone running for public office. I was so disappointed in Charlie Gibson’s attitude and approach in his interview of Sarah Palin. I never saw a smile or a cordial difference in his questioning of her. I expect to see the same when he interviews McCain, Obama and Biden. It seems as though Woman’s Liberation is only viable if you are liberal in your politics and beliefs.
Posted by: Linda Hargrove | September 15, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
I’m curious why so many of you critics don’t understand that the “Bush Doctrin” is a concept created by the media! It’s had to change with the times. Think about it, it concerned the economy when he first took office, it then changed to a protectionist view after 9/11, then adjusted twice since then! It’s an interpretation!!! Gibson blindsided her with the question! ONLY THEN did he explain what his question meant! I’d like any of you Obama supporters to realistically look at Gibson’s interview with him! Talk about ridiculous questions! “What’s it like to be the son of…?” For Pet’s sake! I’m looking forward to you folks crying on election day.
Posted by: Tinkerbello | September 15, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
To Ms. Hargrove,
Thank you for your input. It’s the most succinct, open minded response to this whole media born political debackle I’ve ever read.
Posted by: Tinkerbello | September 15, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Sarah is a joke a distration she does not know about any doctrines ,was clueless,this is scary just because you are not an Obama supporter does mean you should ok her stupidty.
Posted by: getreal serious | September 15, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Sarah is a joke a distration she does not know about any doctrines ,was clueless,this is scary just because you are not an Obama supporter does mean you should ok her stupidty.
Posted by: getreal serious | September 15, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
charlie gibson pretending to be smart is hysterical. it was like homer simpson was interviewing palin. bush doctrine? while the man is still in office? that’s something for historians to come up with in a decade or so. i bet charlie got that question from 1 of his ivy league recent-college-gradate staffers who was taught by his/her uber-liberal professor that his opinion of bush was a historical fact. so pretentious it’s comical
Posted by: jim | September 15, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm
No wonder that Sarah asked for clarification. Look up Bush Doctrine on Wikipedia.
Posted by: Susan | September 15, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
It looks like ABC isn’t going to give up on this issue…or non-issue.
There is no “Bush Doctrine.” There have been statements by Bush which have been labeled a “Doctrine” by the media. The one in 2002 ABC is so fond of was superceded by others in subsequent State of the Union addresses.
A “doctrine,” like the Monoroe Doctrine, has traditionally been a formal, written statement of policy issued by a president.
I guess the media has decided they, not a president, are now empowered to determine what is an official presidential doctrine.
Regardless who you support in this election, I hope the winner and his supporters, will be happy to allow the media to pick which of his statements comprise his “doctrine.”
Posted by: MizFW | September 15, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
The Bush doctrin does not go far enough. Our president has an obligation to put America first and if a premptive strike is called for we are fools to negotiate. Obama is losing support among many blacks because they understand him and where he comes from Watch this clip and you will understand also. http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr09-03-08.html
Posted by: Remus | September 15, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
I am sick of the one sided politics the media is playing. It is time for these “reporters” to be balanced. Bush is a fool and I am not sure about McCain however I would like to see Obama grilled on some of his comments over the past few years. The liberal media is scared of the democrat machine to actually tell us the whole truth on their policies.
I know many of the dems want change but do we really want socialism? I have lived under socialism and you have no real rights whatsoever.
I want to see the obama camp answer these questions.
On the campaign trail, Obama made the following statement: “I’ve been to 57 states, and I have one more to go.” Senator how many States are in the USA?
During an interview with George Stephanopoulos, Obama made reference to “my Muslim faith.” After Stephanopoulos corrected him, he said, “My Christian faith.” Senator, why are you ashamed to admit you are a Muslim?
During a recent campaign event in Missouri, Biden asked Congressman Chuck Graham, who is wheelchair-bound, to “Stand up, Chuck!” Were you making a tasteless joke or are you simply obtuse?
Senator Obama your brother George lives on less than a dollar a month in a hut in Kenya while you live a millionaire’s lifestyle in Washington and in Chicago. Do you know if he had anything to eat today? Why was he quoted as saying that he is ashamed to be related to you?
Senator Obama during your introduction of Joe Biden after naming him as your running mate, you referred to him as “the next president.” What’s that about?
Senator Obama you sat in the pews at Trinity United Church of Christ for twenty years. Do you really expect voters to believe that you never heard any of the radical rants of Jeremiah Wright during all that time?
Senator Obama you are “friendly” with former Weather Underground leader William Ayres. What is the nature of your relationship, and given Ayres previous attempts at murderous collusion, what could you possibly have in common with this man who harbors such hatred for America? Do you consider your dealings with this self-admitted domestic terrorist as experience in the War on Terror, much like community organizing is equivalent to military service?
Of course ABC, NBC, CNN and the rest would never ask these questions because the answers might frighten us all.
Look at how Obama disrespectfully tossed the flowers on the memorial of the 911 victims.
Hillary should have been the choice for the Dems but instead they want to make history by dominating an inexperienced quasi muslim/christian who is unclear of his stand on anything.
I want to see true balanced interviews from unbiased journalists because it is our future that they are playing with.
Posted by: Thomas Harding | September 15, 2008, 5:29 pm 5:29 pm
Even Charlie Gibson doesn’t know the “Bush Doctrine”. According to two sources, one a Bush former advisor who wrote a book about it, there are 6 doctrines. The other, a Democratic Party advisor, says there are 7 doctrines. There are more sources saying the same thing as one or the other. So, either Mr. Gibson didn’t do his research or he was trying to deliberately trip up Governor Palin with a trick question. I’m pretty up to speed on current events and still I had to look up what the “Bush Doctrine” might be and found what I typed above. Sad commentary on the commentators.
Posted by: Jayfl | September 15, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm
99.9% of you have not the FOGGIEST idea what the Bush Doctrine is….. if there is one! You degrade Sarah Palin…….. and not ONE of you even knew what Gibson was asking… it was something he asked to catch her up. Bias bias bias!!!!!
Posted by: debra | September 16, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am
Gibson came across as condescending and arrogant during this interview. It reeked of liberal bias, which only makes Palin a more sympathetic figure.
I love the way the Obama disciples are suddenly interested in experience as a litmus test for higher office. Tell me, before Obama’s European vacation, what were his foreign policy credentials?
Posted by: Jim | September 16, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
Gibson threw Obama softball questions and hardball to Palin. ABC edited the interview for TV to make Palin look bad. ABC did put the full interview on the internet but how many people are going to check the internet? It is no wonder that more and more people do not believe the main street media!!!! Shame on you ABC!!!!!
Posted by: George Damman | September 16, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
For my study purposes, I always used to download the video lectures from YouTube, because it is easy to fan-out from there.
Posted by: Marchelle Howen | November 23, 2011, 11:12 am 11:12 am