Views on the Bailout… um, Investment
Three new poll questions on the government’s response to the financial crisis underscore the power of words – not only in how we understand polls, but in how we choose to describe the events of our day. Some analysts might say the results are contradictory; I’d suggest instead that we learn more, not less, by comparing and contrasting them.
The first, from the Pew Research Center, asks about the government "potentially investing" (note: not “spending”) billions “to try and keep financial institutions and markets secure.” Fifty-seven percent like the idea.
Pew: “As you may know, the government is potentially investing billions to try and keep financial institutions and markets secure. Do you think this is the right thing or the wrong thing for the government to be doing?”
Result: Right 57 percent, Wrong 30 percent.
The second, from the new LA Times/Bloomberg poll, asks if the government should “bail out private companies with taxpayers' dollars.” Fifty-five percent don't like the idea – almost the exact opposite of the Pew result.
LAT/Bloomberg: “Do you think the government should use taxpayers’ dollars to rescue ailing private financial firms whose collapse could have adverse effects on the economy and market, or is it not the government’s responsibility to bail out private companies with taxpayers’ dollars?”
Result: Should do 31 percent, Should not 55 percent.
The last, our own ABC/Post question, asks what people think of the steps the Fed and Treasury have taken to try to deal with the situation. Answer: Even split
ABC/Post: “Do you approve or disapprove of the steps the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department have taken to try to deal with the current situation involving the stock market and major financial institutions?"
Result: Approve 44 percent, Disapprove 42 percent.
We know further, from our poll, that just 9 percent “strongly” approve of the government’s actions; 18 percent strongly disapprove, while most by far don’t hold strong views on it. Republicans are a bit more apt to approve, but not broadly – a 49-38 percent division. Democrats split more evenly, with 42 percent approving, 45 percent disapproving. Conservatives divide 48-43 percent; liberals are least enamored of the government's efforts: Thirty-seven percent approve, while 52 percent disapprove.
Approval's highest in our data, 63 percent, among people who think the country's headed in the right direction. But there aren't many of them. And in no group – not even that one – does "strong" approval exceed 17 percent.
All three of these polls shared precisely the same field periods, Friday-Monday, and all use good solid sampling methodologies. Taken together, they cut to the heart of the debate now underway. Is this a federal bailout or an investment of taxpayer dollars? Will it keep institutions and markets secure, or disappear down the drain? While the answers are far from clear, the questions surely matter.
There is also, of course, the question of how this plays out in the presidential election. For more on that, see our latest poll.
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Posted by: Lawrence | September 24, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Sure shows the value of polls!
No Bailout for Greedsters!
Posted by: Fred Mason | September 24, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Ohio (20) Obama 45.1 McCain 46.7 McCain +1.6
Pennsylvania (21) Obama 47.0 McCain 44.5 Obama +2.5
Florida (27) Obama 46.0 McCain 48.0 McCain +2.0
Virginia (13) Obama 46.0 McCain 47.3 McCain +1.3
Wisconsin (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 44.8 Obama +3.2
Colorado (9) Obama 48.4 McCain 44.4 Obama +4.0
Minnesota (10) Obama 48.0 McCain 45.2 Obama +2.8
Indiana (11) Obama 45.5 McCain 47.8 McCain +2.3
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Posted by: HP Boston | September 24, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Amazingly enough, McCain/Palin outdraw Obama in Wisconsin rally by 4,000. How is that possible? How will Obama spin this?
Posted by: HP Boston | September 24, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
The Republican National Platform adopted 3 weeks ago opposes the bailout.
Will McCain blink?
Here is what the Platform says:
“……
We do not support government bailouts of private institutions. Government interference in the markets exacerbates problems in the marketplace and causes the free market to take longer to correct itself. We believe in the free market as the best tool to sustained prosperity and opportunity for all.
…….”
Posted by: Steve_NJ | September 24, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
I agree we should not bail them out it will take longer to get past this they are trying to inflate the economy up which they should not.I am sure there are better options.We need to stop these bailouts(handouts)at all cost we will survive and we will not leave the burden to our children and their children
Posted by: reddog0216 | September 24, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am
I have never saw a bunch of useless, dysfunctional, corrupt, etc. as the people in Washington representing “We the People”. They were sent there by the voters to represent them and have failed miserably. Truly sad for the working class in the great U.S.A.
Posted by: rickyt1234 | September 24, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
“We the people” should be allowed to vote on the bailout. If “we” vote for it, then do it, but if “we” vote against it, then DON’T DO IT. It is supposed to be “our” government, and “our” tax money. This bailout, wihtout asking the people, would be “taxation without representation.”
Posted by: marym23 | September 24, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Why should the general public bail out these companies. Will we get bailed out if we over extend or make otherwise bad decisions and pocket countless thousands as a bonus? NOOOOO!!!
Posted by: dsrt | September 24, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
LET THESE FINANCIAL INSTITUTIONS BURN TO THE GROUND. SOONER WE ARE RID OF THEM ALONG WITH BUSH, PHIL, CHENNY, PAULSON, MCCAIN AND WHAT’S HER NAME THE BETTER OFF WE WILL BE.
THE BAILOUT IS UN AMERICAN AND UNPATRIOTIC. ANY KNUCKLE HEAD CAN SEE THAT. AS IS SAID IT DOESN’T TAKE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO DETERMINE THIS GAMBIT.
BUSH WANTS A QUICK FIX SO MAYBE HIS TARNISHED LEGACY(ROTTEN TO THE CORE) WILL LOOK BETTER.
Posted by: ron humphrey | September 24, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
were the laugh stock of them who did the job well done
Posted by: Gene | September 24, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
John McCain’s trying to run & hide from the issues..He’s trying to cancel the debate on friday for what!…let the people here the truth & the truth is John you voted not to protect our financial market you voted for the lobbiest & your peers..You voted with George Bush on the very same policy’s thats gotten us into this mess and now your trying to run & hide behind the issues so the American people can be fooled by your all of a sudden concern…Please stop the bulls**t..Go in front of the American people and tell the truth.
Posted by: Dez | September 24, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
I am a retired totally disabled vet and the only thing that comes to mind in this instance is Fool me once shame on me….
Posted by: JERRY T | September 24, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Pelosi is talking about helping those who might be facing foreclosure.
Should the American taxpayer pay for the bad mortgages of illegal immigrants?
Posted by: Maggie | September 25, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
I am torn because I do feel Mr. McCains 1st priority & allegance is his Original job & to this Country- which Mr. Obamaha seems to feel & has shown in the past doesn’t matter to him. I do feel Mr. Obamaha is more concerned with ‘making history’ in MS than helping NOW to fix what whoever is elected will have to face when place in that office of President.
Stop the fancy mouth work & put your actions where you mouth is! Show us the Leadership you all keep bragging about!
Posted by: sherrell | September 25, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
The real answer is that the devil is in the details. What exactly will the government get in return for that $700bil? If this is a bail-out like the economic stimulus to taxpayers, the answer is, not a whole lot. If it’s a bail-out like the government buys the debt instruments, it’s kind of a wash. If it’s a bail-out like the government buys itself a major share in these companies with its money and uses it to keep an eye on them, then people probably support it.
My thinking is, the government should temporarily relax liquidity requirements for banks, and offer banks around 35% of face value for mortgage securities. Banks recoup some of their investment and have an excuse to get them off their books at a loss without losing face, and the government can afford to hold onto the securities until they expire or reacquire enough value to sell, or offer refinancing on terms advantageous to the mortgage holder (it’s no loss for the gov’t since they bought it at a rate).
>Amazingly enough, McCain/Palin outdraw Obama in Wisconsin rally by 4,000. How is that possible? How will Obama spin this?
I guess Palin is an even bigger celebrity than Obama?
Posted by: Happy | September 25, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Whatever happened to responsible government? Power and greed and put us here. The “Fear” card was pulled from the deck. Who will fund this irresponsibility? American taxpayers. It has worked in the past. We are victims of these “Quick” decisions. Now is the time to make the thoughtful decision. Make democracy work.
Posted by: M.T. Hill | September 25, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Why is no one questioning the CEO’s of these companies and holding them responsible? They ought to take the 700 billion out of their personal salaries and assests. If the common person ripped off the public like they have we’d be in jail. If we ran a business like this we would be put in jail for fraud.
Posted by: Elizabeth | September 25, 2008, 7:44 pm 7:44 pm
Pelosi is putting “riders” on legislation …. she and other dems don’t want all the profits from this bailout to be returned to the American taxpayer.
Pelosi is earmarking 20% of any profits go to ACORN and LA RAZA.
This is a deal breaker.
TAXPAYERS SHOULD GET ALL OF THE PROFITS.
Posted by: Maggie | September 26, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
no money for earmarks. they already take millions of our “The People” money.
Stand firm America doesn’t want a bailout. Isn;t it funny that it is the Democrats that are standing with George Bush. I guess that means Obama will be an extenstion of a Bush presidency.
Posted by: Pam Storts | September 26, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Here’s an idea: How about all those corporate executives, board members and other billionaires and multi-millionaires put up their money to bailout the economy? They have all the money and their greed and thirst for power is largely responsible for the problem so they shouldn’t have any problem with this idea. I mean if the taxpayers, who are largely NOT responsible for this fiasco can be TOLD they have to bailout these pirates then it seems to me our government shouldn’t have any problem TELLING those who stole, err, umm, I mean, EARNED all the money to do the bailout. And besides, they haven’t anything to lose; it will all get paid back, right?
Posted by: Craig | September 26, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
Bailout or not, McCain needs to show up for the debate! Him not being in Washington for 90 minutes will not make or break any deal. We know you want to debate, are you covering up the fact that Palin won’t be well versed in what to say when she debates Biden…She needs more time to learn about foreign policies so she won’t have to avoid or divert the questions put to her! Get a clue people, McCain’s suspension has nothing to do with putting country first, it’s all about trying to prepare his running mate for a job she obviously can’t do!
Posted by: myzigiman | September 26, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
This bailout still reeks big time. I still see every opportunity for this to be the largest case of fraud in the history of mankind. The very fact that the Bush administration came up with this plan tells me we should run the other way. And tell me, should we trust Paulson, formerly of Goldman Sachs, to single handedly administer $700 billion dollars? Think about that! And the plan originally called for no oversight, no limits to executive compensation and no legal consequences for wrong doing! You tell me if that doesn’t send up warning flags.
Posted by: DaveM | September 26, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Ok, Why are we talking about a $700 billion bailout for wall street. Our population is approx. 310 million why not arrange for every legal adult citizen to recieve one million dollars. We could bail ourselves out of debt, pay our own mortgages (wise and unwise ones) and stimulate our economy with the rest of the money. We might even have some left over for Health insurance!
Posted by: Marc | September 26, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
When Reid was screaming that McCain needed to “weigh in” on the bailout… you and others criticized McCain.
Then after speaking with the Republican leadership and realizing that the deal was not going to go through, McCain took the high road and decided to put the people above his campaign.
MCain decided that this financial crisis was something that was more important than campaigning and he called Obama to get them both to go to Washington and try to broker this deal.
And you condemned him for doing his job as a Senator!
The Democratic leadership took this opportunity to put some of their pet projects into the bill…that would cost the American tax payers Millions more $$. But instead of talking about the politicizing by the Democrats of a bill that is needed for the financial security of our county, you only had more critical things to say about McCain.
So true reporting of facts in this country is only rarely seen in the current media.
The media is, for some reason I can not fathom, working to get Obama elected. Just like they are a part of his staff.
So if you want your tax dollars given to special interest go ahead and vote for Obama.
If you want someone for President that will stand up and fight for us even when all the press can do is criticize him, then vote for McCain!
Posted by: June | September 26, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
I like Marc’s comment(9/26): Give each American citizen a million dollars. Much more sensible and practical than the “Bailout”,
after all it IS our tax money we are talking about here. Give it back to Us;
we could use it to benefit our own
Community, rather feed than corporate greed.
Posted by: Clay | September 26, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm
I agree with June. I’m not sure which is worst anymore the US government or the left wing “so called” main stream media. If the american people could get REAL media coverage – unbiased & fair then maybe we would stop “dumbing down” America. All you have to do is look at the coverage of Sarah Pallin to see this. By the way were are all the tough questions for Joe Biden??? Where is his sinister glaring interview with Katie Curik? ABC, NBC, & CBS all seem like junior high school girls loaded with puppy love for Abomba!
Posted by: Tim | September 26, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Every time I hear the bailout bunch say that they’re thinking of the American people, I want to throw up! When exactly did they start thinking/caring about the American people? When their stupid, greedy, ego-centered house-of-cards fell apart and became front page news? And this same group wants me to be scared when they say the pain of the fall-out would be much worse than the pain of the bailout? I’m not scared! I would much rather deal with the FALL-OUT than support more of the game-playing that we’re ALREADY paying for on so many levels!
Posted by: J.E. | September 27, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
I am writing in Ron Paul in Massachusetts. He is the only one with the judgment, intelligence and knowledge of all issues related to running an effective federal government.
This is not an “investment”; this is rewarding both greedy and unethical behavior involving greed, which is being made an “urgent” issue – as if the sky is going to fall in if nothing is done. Nonsense.
Our Congeress is enabling a criminal Federal Reserve and out of control federal government to continue on the path of disaster: injecting taxpayer money (well over a trillion dollars so far, plus the current entitlements, foreign aid, empire and other nonsense to continue) instead of letting the kid fall off the training wheels, get bruised, get up and move on, but learn.
Write in Ron Paul 2008!
McCain & Obama are both criminals who are destroying our country. More of the same – no more blank checks – we need Ron Paul for President.
No wonder they didn’t want him on the air prior to the primaries, but now they have him all over the television with his wise knowledge about these events? The media is criminal.
Posted by: Revolution08 | September 27, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Neither canidate will discuss the real problems with the banking collapse. Its the politicians relaxing the rules for credit in their horrible attempt to Social Engineer the US Economy. This is a short term fix, unless they correct the root cause – stop messing with the Capitalist Marketplace. It will correct itself – resend the relaxed rules for credit. Else this will eventually catch up to everybody and we will have a huge Depression. That equates to 30% unemployment – mostly in the services sector. Write your Congressmen and Senators and demand a real fix or vote them out of their cushy jobs.
Posted by: Spiderman | September 27, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
Petosi and Reid should be at home baking cookies or brownies for their grandkids not messing with the US Economy. Talk about the two dumbest people that are only a half step behind Barney Frank. Useless the whole lot of politicians. Acorn bailouts, Acorn is a socialist organization – it needs to be disbanded, not $100M in tax dollars given to them by Petosi and Reid.
Posted by: Kandy | September 27, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Pelosi is earmarking 20% of any profits go to ACORN and LA RAZA.
I heard this too and it has to be stopped. ACORN has been nabbed a few times with cooking the books and even voter fraud. I don’t see how giving them a dime of this money could be called an investment. We taxpayers should get the profits directly back. I’m not at all for this bailout but it looks like their going to go through with it.
Posted by: Tedinski | September 27, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
“The Grasshopper and the Ant”
To paraphrase Lenin, who thought religion was the “opiate of the people”. I think the opiate of the people is credit.
The financial system’s basic problem is credit, or lack of it. The most visible factor contributing to this has been residential housing mortgages.
But that is only the most visible symptom, not the basic cause. The real cause is the American public’s attitude “enjoy the good life now and worry about paying for it later”. This attitude has been aided and abetted by a whole range of unscrupulous, greedy, and stupid players. Among those have been bankers, real estate dealers, and elected officials. Lesser contributors have been all those who sold merchandise on credit to those who really couldn’t afford it. Among, them are new car dealers and other retailers of every ilk. The result has been a growing debt among average Americans that they can’t possibly repay… ever. And those that extend credit don’t want them to – they only want the interest paid and the basic debt to continue and grow forever. In effect, they have transformed the American public into little more than surfs. They “owe their soul” to creditors, with no hope (or intent?) to pay off the principle.
The federal government’s response to the latest symptom (not cause) of this problem is to facilitate its continuance by affording the creditors’ (banks, and by extension car dealers, retailers, etc.) additional “crack cocaine” (i.e. credit) to feed the habit of its willing victims. The cost of doing so will, again, be charged off to future generations. By printing more money to pay for this new credit, the government is devaluating the value of my hard earned savings and the lifetime it took to save it.
No one in Washington seems to have the guts to say “enough”! No one there seems prepared to let those who caused and/or participated in the “crack cocaine party” suffer the consequences of their addiction. Instead, they prefer to give the addicts more dope (credit) and let savers and future generations pay for it.
To those who say “The economy will collapse if we don’t act”, my reply is “let those who caused this mess enjoy the ride”. That includes banks, wall street, realtors, and stupid creditors (including those who bought homes they couldn’t afford). Those of us who have worked hard, saved our money, and aren’t in debt for things we could afford will survive just fine thank you – regardless of how many grasshoppers die in the financial winter to come.
Remember the “Ant and Grasshopper” story from childhood.
Posted by: John in Texas | September 28, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am
I just love it that so many people are getting all fired up about what’s going on.
I’ve been like many…too busy to pay attention to much of anything besides my own daily challenges. But secretly, I’ve been looking forward to a total revolution! Something that wakes us all up and clears the path in totally new ways. I think the old, corrupt patterns could go on, charging forward with blindness and greed for a few, even to the destruction of us all. Like the ancient egyptians, many of us are in the great mass of workers who carry huge blocks on our backs to build mammoth structures which do not serve us, but which are based on the self-serving ideas of a delusional group in power.
That is, until enough of the workers say, “Hey, I’m stopping right here!” Which is what I see happening now, and it’s very exciting! Sure, it may not seem like the workers have much power…but the leaders sure don’t like all the screaming they’re hearing. It’s hard to sleep through screaming. And the game doesn’t work if a bunch of us wake up. :-)
I have a feeling there is much, much more to come. The crazy, over-inflated, top-heavy clown blimp can no longer stay airborn! It is springing leaks all over the place. Woohoo! Get ready for quite a show!
Posted by: J.E. | September 28, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am
ust read that part of the “greedy wall street pay them twice” bailout package includes a provision to provide “reasonable” severance packages. Reasonable? Are you kidding me? How about, “there’s the door, get out, there may be a perp walk in you future”. To suggest that they should get a dime of taxpayer money after they’ve all profited by millions of dollars on this debacle of their creation. If they’re leaving for whatever reason, they should get nothing but our disgust. For those that stay on help clean up their own mess, make them GS-14 pay grades. And I am dead serious when I say that some of these better do jail time, and have their personal properties seized.
Posted by: GMH | September 28, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm
This time both libs AND cons need to stick together and call your senators and your representative and raise HOLY H3LL about this bailout. There is nothing good about this. All the supposed ‘taxpayer protections’ are just window dressing and there is NO guarantee that this bailout will do anything to even fix the mess. There is no way the taxpayer should be put at risk on this. The very companies that made this mess need to either get a loan or buy insurance issued by the Federal Government on pain of confiscation of their companies if they don’t pay off their debt and they need to BAIL THEMSELVES OUT. We have all that debt from the wars and the tzx cuts and we the taxpayers do NOT need to be stuck with this bill when the people who made the mess are already lining up to line their pockets with this bailout money. SNOW JOB! This is BAD for the American taxpayer. Why should WE be stuck with the bill and get ZERO say in what we are being forced to pay for? And guess what, cons? I am an Obama liberal democrat and I think YOUR side is right on this: the rebellion Republicans are right and the Democrats in both houses are SELLING US DEMOCRATS WHO HATE THIS OUT BY BACKING BUSH ON THIS. And shame on both Obama and McCain for supporting it. I blame them both for not representing the American people on this. Both of them. We need to call our Senators and Representatives and raise HOLY H3LL starting tomorrow morning, Monday before they vote on this sell out and force it down our throats and ruin our dollar and cause galloping inflation. They can keep the banking system from melting down with loans due and payable when things get better. Our government can go into the banking business and take over their business until they come out of default owning a stake in their companies as collateral. WE become stock holders, not be BVTT violated by Wall Street bankers who made this mess and are already smirking over the profits they will make from this bailout after they made the mess. SNOW JOB! Libs AND cons UNITE against Nancy Pelosi and the sellouts on both sides of the aisle that go along with this. Conservative rebels, you GO and let’s shut this down. For once I agree with the most right wing of the House members who want to stop this. Shelby of Alabama, Tancredo of Colorado and others. Let’s get this shut down. There needn’t be this big rush job, because once it is in, we’re cooked! Call tomorrow and don’t stop. Raise the roof both sides of the aisle out here on main street. We need to unite on this one, cons. And I normally an Obama lib but NOT on this I’m not. Hate McCain’s sell out too. Let’s call and knock this down.
Posted by: JL | September 29, 2008, 3:07 am 3:07 am
Bail out! Are you kidding me? These Fortune 500 financial giants have committed mortgage fraud on a unimaginable scale by allowing stated income loans (that’s you telling the bank you make a gazillion dollars and the bank saying great we believe you no documentation required) and accepting people with no or bad credit. Instead of giving out “OUR” money to these banks the FBI should be giving out warrants. I have not read anywhere in the proposed Bail Out that deals with the root cause of bad credit, stated income lending. So history will eventually repeat itself.
I hope every Democrat and Republican who votes for the Bail Out is in turn voted out of their office. The reason almost every politician is in favor of the bail out is because these financial giants have contributed a lot of money to almost EVERY politician. All the Bail Out stands for is your elected officials turning around and scratching their contributors backs.
They think the American People are stupid and won’t realize what’s really going on. I for one am not fooled. Not fooled by the Bail Out and definitely not fooled by Moron Bush’s “Oh my god the sky is falling” speech. When a group of people and large companies do something bad, bad things happen.
Throwing a first pitch of 700 billion will not solve the problem. It will only slow the inevitable down and oh yeah turn the value of the American dollar into confetti by creating 700 billion dollars worth of inflation.
Posted by: AL from California | September 29, 2008, 3:20 am 3:20 am
The “Bailout” for banks is wrong and unconstitutional. These bankers and investors didn’t care if people were able to pay their loans; The bankers greed and buyers desire to have the American dream is what has caused this problem. Instead of foreclosing they should have tried to work out a workable payment plan for the the people.
As for our elected officials saying this country needs this; everyone one of them have a lot to lose and there fore want this Bailout. They are liars; why should we trust them. And media pushes their opinions around swaying many people.
Bailing private sector business is wrong, banks and automakers need to do business better. Did our government ask the American people if it was okay to use our taxes to do this.
We need to keep our government from the banking business.
I want to urge very American to vote current incumbants out of office. And then maybe they will understand they are suppose to be working for the people.
Free enterprise means the freedom to succeed and the freedom to fail and these business have failed in leaps and bounds while the CEO’s walk away with millions.
Posted by: Gail-independent | October 1, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Yeah right, another mess for our next President…Obama……..to clean up. Go figure, BUSH made a mess the whole time he has been in office he may as well go out that way…..
Posted by: pamela | October 3, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
Pamela, Bush did not make this mess. Look to Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd and their failure to reign in Freddie and Fannie all the while collecting political donations (#1 and #2 recepients).
Posted by: Maggie | October 4, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am