AFL-CIO Targets West Virginia for Obama

Oh Fae, it seems the kool-aid drinkers are the travelers on the McCain/Palin disaster express! lol

FAE
and why would anyone donate you money noone knows you real stupid!

Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Is Obama Going To Hawaii to Protect His Birth Certificate?
Depending on who you ask Senator Barack Obama is going to Hawaii to visit his ailing grandma or to work the Hawaiian courts to prevent the release of his birth certificate. Purveyors of the second theory point to the fact that when Obama was in Hawaii two months ago he spent so little time with the woman he threw under the bus during his race speech. They also mention that granny just isn’t that sick.

Fae…please step away from the Kool Aid. You clearly have drank too much.
Obama in 08

Does anyone know what happens to money not spent from both campaigns?

at some point all the mccrazys yelling obama people are zombies and are some kind of horde are going to look up from their hate filled moronic crap mouth tactics and realize they are the zombies

Becky – in Obama’s case, it can go into his reelection fund, which (based on his past actions) I’d presume starts the day after inauguration.

i was wondering the same thing becky, but since friday is the last day obama is taking donations im guessing they have all the cash doled out to whatever they want
maybe he will send mccain a donation of a thousand bucks

Anna: “Remember, Obama defines anyone making over $90,000 a year as ‘rich.’”
Not sure where you got that. I seem to remember the question coming up at that faith forum both he and McCain attended.
Obama defined middle class as $250k and below whereas McCain defined middle class as anyone making under $5 million. The McCain campaign later claimed the comment was meant as a joke.

hey anna
try to check your facts… he never said 90k was rich
he did say if you make over 200k you will have your tax increased to what it was before bush came into office
joe the dumber actually would get a tax break under obama he even admits it
his company does not NET 200k+
and if he made over 200k hiring a new employee doesnt actually cause him to pay more taxes because they cut into his overhead
obama actually said he would let the tax cuts for the wealthy expire, he has said the tax cuts for the middle class would stay the same
so who is lying here anna?
capital gaines… do you know what that is?
who in america right now has capital gaines they are worrying about? last time i looked the stock market was crashing like dj ams airplane
obama has not said he would GUT the missile defense system he said he wants to look into it because it is something that hasnt been tested eats up billions of dollars and might not make us any more safe.. if it does make us more safe obama would continue it
however, the russians are mighty po’d at us for putting missile defense systems in georgia
as far as cutting defense spending yea why are we paying for americans to listen to phone sex of other americans…
im all for cutting that budget down
in the age of 9/11 had we had a president that was actually diplomatic and worked to preserve peace and preserve america in teh eyes of hte world, we wouldnt be in this position
no more maverick cowboy foreign policy K THNX BYE!!!
actually if you watched the debates she didnt oppose it she was for it then against it… then for it, then against it, then unsure where she stood
but hwatever, i mean its not like mccain has ever flipped his position on immigrants
its not PRO ABORTION its PRO CHOICE
there is a difference you crack pot.
pro abortion would mean someone who wnats to increase or make you have abortions, where as you want to stop abortions
normal people see that abortion sometimes is the only option and there should be a choice… we are a free country we should be free to make a choice
now while you say no abortions, you also dont want to help with sex education
so while we say you should have a choice we also say but we should educate people so that abortions are only a last resort
moron
he wont touch guns… you can look that up

Union labor makes more money.
How about union members paying more for, say, a loaf of bread cuz, after all, they got more. They could afford to pay double what it costs now so that lower-income workers can buy a loaf for, what, about 10 cents. That would be fair, too.

Remember “share the wealth” on November 4. If nothing else makes you blood boil, that oughta.

What will a Prez Obama do if Iran attacks Israel?

Wake up people. This is not a game. Obama’s own running mate is admitting that BO’s inexperience and perceived weakness will invite a “test of mettle” from any number of places around the world. Only Joe can explain what that means but I live and work in NY so I don’t want to find out first hand. Pile on a questionable background, tired liberal policies on social and economic issues and an unchecked liberal majority concentrated with Obama/Pelosi/Reid running our government and you have a recipe for disaster. Someone please tell me what I am missing here?

Slow Joe, yesterday, said that we should expect Obama incompetence in the first six months of office, if something bad happens, and that we should understand that Obama will fumble and stumble around during attacks.

Which Lib is gonna give his life so that Obama can stumble and fumble around during the first six months’ attacks?

It is no doubt that workers are pushing for Obama. His health plan is far superior to that of McCain.. and not just workers, all Americans. Combined with his tax plan and the spur it will give the economy, McCain is completely unable to defend and can just keep trying to attack the man, not the policy.. pretty sad on McCains part.

I do not think Obama would fumble or stumble like Bush did, Bush was told about sept. 11th long before it happened (proved), but I guess golfing with McCain and his buddies, or whatever he was doing was more important then the safety of this great Nation. Obama is a smart man who surrounds himself with smart people, I would trust he would pay attention and get any situation taken care of.

Paul,
Here is another reason why Democrats have not a clue how business reacts to tax policies.
Your point is that higher tax rates will encourage businesses to reinvest more into their business is idiotic.
Obama Plan – according to Paul:
EBIT: $80 << after reinvesting $20 in PPE in Ohio plant
Taxes: $40
Net Income: $40
Obama Plan – judged by those with common sense:
EBIT: $80 << after reinvesting $20 in PPE in Vietnam plant
Taxes: $40
Net Income: $40
? for you Paul. If you only get to keep 50% of the profit you'd earn, in the future, on the $20 capital investment you make in the U.S., but the same investment in Vietnam will allow you to keep 80% of the profits you generate from the same investment, would you invest in the U.S. or Vietnam??? Go ahead, shout out the answer.
The answer is Vietnam. This of course assumes plant utility and wage costs are the same between the U.S. and Vietnam, which they're not? The incentive to invest in Vietnam is even higher because of these factors. Throw in regulation and your theory flails out.
Also, Paul, businesses make capital investment decisions based on their believe that sufficient market demand exists to warrant expansion. If they don't believe the market demand will allow them to make the return they seek before taxes, they could care less what the taxes are to begin with. But when, they do determine expansion is warranted, their ability to gain access to the lowest cost funding is easier to secure with a stronger balance sheet (ie, more cash from less taxes on profits present and future) and, in the eyes of their potential creditors, stronger expected future cash flows…cash is required to pay the bondholders that fund expansion all across the globe Paul. The higher the taxes, the less cash flow.
Just to make sure you're all straight, one final point. You weren't thinking that they'd staff that Vietnam plant with Democrats from Ohio were you? No Paul, they staff it with Vietnamese.
I hope this helps you correct your vote and your future postings.

– How ’bout spreading YOUR wealth around? –
We have been.. taking from the middle class and spreading it to the wealthy. Or didn’t you realize that? Apparently, that kind of spreading is acceptable to you.. go figure.

– You want to elect somebody to fumble and stumble while we’re being attacked? –
Let me ask, what would you do if we were attacked? Come one, let us all know.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Is Obama Going To Hawaii to Protect His Birth Certificate?
Depending on who you ask Senator Barack Obama is going to Hawaii to visit his ailing grandma or to work the Hawaiian courts to prevent the release of his birth certificate. Purveyors of the second theory point to the fact that when Obama was in Hawaii two months ago he spent so little time with the woman he threw under the bus during his race speech. They also mention that granny just isn’t that sick.

– I wouldn’t be stumbling and fumbling around, as SloJoe alerts us that Obama would do. –
What a non answer.. just like McCain likes to give. typical.

Take it from Joe Biden not from me. My “straw man” argument was made by your VP nominee.

If we went under attack by someone and McCain was in office, just think about it for a minute, what has he been like during the fall of our economy?? OMG by the time he finished with all his drama and running in circles our Nation would be destroyed.

John t,
You are a DAMN LIAR.
When Barack Obama was in Hawai 2 months ago he visited his Grandma EVERY DAY.

Well obviously McCain would have to suspend all governemnt operations to decide what to do in ANY crisis.
As he DEMONSTRATED when all he had to do was place a vote. He had to suspend his entire campaign.
Of course, he then screwed up the negotiations with his stunt and cost tax payers billions more. And he couldn’t even get his own party to follow his lead.
Man, I sure wouldn’t want that kind of chaos in a military crisis!
Thanks for the question.
I think I’ll take OBAMA!

Yes Mr America,
Your over simplifications must seem quite witty to you.
By your keen sense of rationale, I suppose since I’m just a middle class guy, I should probably work two jobs so I can support those only making $2 million/year.
Certainly I should at least pay a higher percent of my income in taxes while the tax code continues to benefit them.
No doubt the millionares need the money. I mean, Cindy McCain can’t even afford an eighth house after taxes. And she can only drive a different car everyday for half of a month. And that’s just sad isn’t it?
She obviously deserves to keep more than I do. She was born into money after all.
No doubt a CEO

Anna: He originally backed Washington D.C.’s total ban on private handguns — a ban that was overturned. The NRA rated him an “F” on gun positions and says he is one of the most dangerous anti-gun politicians in the nation.
Sorry Anna, you received bad info.
NRA gave both Obama AND McCain a ‘C’ rating. This is encouraging for Obama but embarrassing to McCain.
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Never forget that Obama is a Harvard-educated elitist.
You have the first part right, but we have not idea
what you are referring to as being elitist. The
republican trickle down mentality is of the elitist
format. Def:a person who believes that a system or society should be ruled or dominated by an elite.
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To him, we Americans are simply “bitter” and he has mocked us saying “[they] cling to their guns and their religion.
Are you clinging to your gun right now? I doubt
it, so what’s the problem

Tuesday, October 21, 2008
Is Obama Going To Hawaii to Protect His Birth Certificate?
Depending on who you ask Senator Barack Obama is going to Hawaii to visit his ailing grandma or to work the Hawaiian courts to prevent the release of his birth certificate. Purveyors of the second theory point to the fact that when Obama was in Hawaii two months ago he spent so little time with the woman he threw under the bus during his race speech. They also mention that granny just isn’t that sick.
Posted by: John t
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John t, It’s way past the time for your
medication! You had better hurry up
before the clinic closes for the evening.

McCain suspended his campaign because he wanted to do anything necessary to help and reach a solution
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Believe what you want to believe Steve.
McCain did absolutely nothing to help the situation. It was a stunt.
He contributed nothing to the bill. So why did he need to be there? To get people to the table? He didn’t. His party ignored him and negitions broke down the day he arrived.
When he actually got to Washington, 24 hours AFTER he “suspended” his campaign, he accomplished zilch. (And he made stops on the way home – obviously it was urgent he be there right away.)
The best part is when he finally did talk to his colleagues the following weekend, after the debate, he did it by PHONE. Which he easily could have done without making a big scene.
But he still tried to make some case about “phoning it in”? That’s EXACTLY what he did.
Everyone saw through his eratic stunt. Or, it showed his inability to cope. No way I want a knee-jerk reactionary as President.

Obv – It’s in the eye of the beholder. In my book, if this is the incident that defines these two men’s leadership abilities (I beleive it is not) McCain was ready to roll up his sleeves and help and Obama said “call me if you need me”. Not leadership. The side effect of BO’s decision to not get involved was him appearing cool and collected. This was not the intent it was a side effect. Another example of not taking a side – sort of like voting present. It works nicely – no political collateral damage.

==Well if Barack is a socialist as so many right wingers claim, we wont have to worry about Russia or Venezuela anymore, we’ll have a couple new comrades.
Right so if he’s a socialist then we have some new friends, if he’s not, then these guys view him as not only a capitalist pig but an inexperienced and soft capitalist pig that they are going to experiment on to test his mettle at the expense of American interests. Great choice here.

Concerned American,
Here is another post of mine for you to read…get you up to speed on your IQ:
A message to the Kool-Aid drunk Obama Nation (hereafter KADON)
KADON, I think that you might be able to grasp the idea that few earn over $250,000 without a little help, a little help from, well, employees. Now, for simplicity, lets refer to those as employers, whether they be rich individuals or corporations. Enterprises run by employers, KADON, may well, not be the only supplier of the products/services they offer. They may well compete against many suppliers, even some from abroad, even some from abroad having certain cost advantages. These cost advantages, KADON, could be wages, raw material prices or, they could be tax expenses. That is right taxes are expenses, to employers, wealthy or not. Now, lets think about those U.S. corporations that are fighting for their life (please read this also to be fighting for the existence of the jobs that they offer, to employees, in the U.S.). Many corporations maintain physical presence in both the U.S. and the abroad. Now, hypothetically, if, their operations in the U.S. face an 80% tax rate on profits, while their Malaysian operations face only a 15% tax rate, then do you see, how it makes economic sense, for the employer, to think it is likely a very good decision to move operations from Ohio to Malaysia? Now, it will be more subtle, the tax rates aren’t nearly as different, but they are different. Then, they might just stop hiring in Ohio and hire only in Malaysia. In any case, there are some in Ohio who might either be laid off or not hired.
Regardless, even though your dear candidate will offer 95% of all Americans a lower tax rate, those laid off because their rich employer had to shift jobs overseas, still have no job. They’ll be baffled 3 years from now. Maybe they’ll say, I should have said thanks, but no thanks Senator on that tax plan to nowhere.
So KADON, understand this simple lesson. The wealthy employ. If changes occur to the cost structure in their operations, including tax expenses, they will be incented to react, if they don’t they may find themselves at a cost advantage sufficient to erode their economic viability on a permanent basis, or at least until they cease to exist, in which case, nobody has a paycheck from them.
Ok, rich American corporations, lets assume that our above corporation is not struggling, lets say that it is called Exxon. Well, KADON, Exxon produces some energy in America, using American employees to do so. America is not a cheap place to produce energy. What, do you think Exxon will do, when President Obamba raises, as he likes to say so often, taxes on corporations that export jobs overseas? You got it! They’ll divest (reads: send to the unemployment lines) their American energy production operations.
This is an important concept, about wealth redistribution, that I want you to grasp KADON. When President Obama puts millions of Americans, formerly employed by ‘wealthy corporations that export jobs overseas’, onto the unemployment line, they will not, unless Ms. Pelosi redistributes wealth and gives them a nice fat Socialist welfare check, have any money to buy the goods and services offered by all small businesses, including those that the young Senator claims he will not tax additionally. Small business owners will be baffled too. “President Obama, thanks for not taxing my income additionally, thanks for going after the evil rich, but, my profit is nowhere near $232k, as it was before you took office, it is $104k, what happened? I drank the Kook-aid! I promise I did. I had to lay off 2 employees because demand is so weak for my products, because so many corporate types have been laid off and have no money to buy my products. I feel like a wealthy employer, please help”…
Is it sinking in?
One final thing, I hate to burst the bubble of all of you out there that have drank Mr. Obama’s Kool-aid, but when he says “tax cuts for employers that export jobs overseas”, he isn’t really referring to Republican led legislation that actually instructed the IRS to give a tax credit to all corporations that actually did export jobs. What he is really referring to is Republican led legislation that incented corporations to not export jobs, by giving them a tax cut, but, even though the tax cuts were given, jobs were still exported, because the tax cuts weren’t sufficient, for some, to allow them to maintain their U.S. employment. This is yet another aspect that Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, MSNBC, etc. have failed to present to the American public. Shame on them!
I hope that this helps you all with your future pOstings, here and elsewhere.

Obama and Biden have said that they are against Coal mining.
There is no way they are going to win West Virginia.

I happen to be a an AFL-CIO member…our local spreads our wealth around by giving them money that, of course, comes from member dues. Can’t say they’ve done much for us lately. Don’t understand why they don’t fight these union-busting ‘right to work’ laws. Don’t remember the Clinton Era being the Golden Age of union workers, either.
I’m proud of the history of the AFL-CIO and feel the workers’ labor is a commodity to bargained for the best price just like any raw material or machinery.
But, I have yet to see how Democrats have done anything for organized labor. Nor Republicans. Seems that when unions were stronger, America was a more prosperous country.

A message to the Kool-Aid drunk Obama Nation (hereafter KADON)
KADON, I think that you might be able to grasp the idea that few earn over $250,000 without a little help, a little help from, well, employees. Now, for simplicity, lets refer to those as employers, whether they be rich individuals or corporations. Enterprises run by employers, KADON, may well, not be the only supplier of the products/services they offer. They may well compete against many suppliers, even some from abroad, even some from abroad having certain cost advantages. These cost advantages, KADON, could be wages, raw material prices or, they could be tax expenses. That is right taxes are expenses, to employers, wealthy or not. Now, lets think about those U.S. corporations that are fighting for their life (please read this also to be fighting for the existence of the jobs that they offer, to employees, in the U.S.). Many corporations maintain physical presence in both the U.S. and the abroad. Now, hypothetically, if, their operations in the U.S. face an 80% tax rate on profits, while their Malaysian operations face only a 15% tax rate, then do you see, how it makes economic sense, for the employer, to think it is likely a very good decision to move operations from Ohio to Malaysia? Now, it will be more subtle, the tax rates aren’t nearly as different, but they are different. Then, they might just stop hiring in Ohio and hire only in Malaysia. In any case, there are some in Ohio who might either be laid off or not hired.
Regardless, even though your dear candidate will offer 95% of all Americans a lower tax rate, those laid off because their rich employer had to shift jobs overseas, still have no job. They’ll be baffled 3 years from now. Maybe they’ll say, I should have said thanks, but no thanks Senator on that tax plan to nowhere.
So KADON, understand this simple lesson. The wealthy employ. If changes occur to the cost structure in their operations, including tax expenses, they will be incented to react, if they don’t they may find themselves at a cost advantage sufficient to erode their economic viability on a permanent basis, or at least until they cease to exist, in which case, nobody has a paycheck from them.
Ok, rich American corporations, lets assume that our above corporation is not struggling, lets say that it is called Exxon. Well, KADON, Exxon produces some energy in America, using American employees to do so. America is not a cheap place to produce energy. What, do you think Exxon will do, when President Obamba raises, as he likes to say so often, taxes on corporations that export jobs overseas? You got it! They’ll divest (reads: send to the unemployment lines) their American energy production operations.
This is an important concept, about wealth redistribution, that I want you to grasp KADON. When President Obama puts millions of Americans, formerly employed by ‘wealthy corporations that export jobs overseas’, onto the unemployment line, they will not, unless Ms. Pelosi redistributes wealth and gives them a nice fat Socialist welfare check, have any money to buy the goods and services offered by all small businesses, including those that the young Senator claims he will not tax additionally. Small business owners will be baffled too. “President Obama, thanks for not taxing my income additionally, thanks for going after the evil rich, but, my profit is nowhere near $232k, as it was before you took office, it is $104k, what happened? I drank the Kook-aid! I promise I did. I had to lay off 2 employees because demand is so weak for my products, because so many corporate types have been laid off and have no money to buy my products. I feel like a wealthy employer, please help”…
Is it sinking in?
One final thing, I hate to burst the bubble of all of you out there that have drank Mr. Obama’s Kool-aid, but when he says “tax cuts for employers that export jobs overseas”, he isn’t really referring to Republican led legislation that actually instructed the IRS to give a tax credit to all corporations that actually did export jobs. What he is really referring to is Republican led legislation that incented corporations to not export jobs, by giving them a tax cut, but, even though the tax cuts were given, jobs were still exported, because the tax cuts weren’t sufficient, for some, to allow them to maintain their U.S. employment. This is yet another aspect that Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, MSNBC, etc. have failed to present to the American public. Shame on them!
I hope that this helps you all with your future pOstings, here and elsewhere.