By Natalie Gewargis

Oct 8, 2008 2:54pm

An Unheavenly Scene in Bethlehem

The scene: Bethlehem, Pa.

Warming up for a joint appearance of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Lehigh County GOP chairman Bill Platt was mocking Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for not wearing a flag pin (though McCain doesn’t regularly wear one, either.)

Said Platt: “Certainly, Barack Obama can learn a thing or two from John McCain about what it means to be a patriot. Think about how you’ll feel on Nov. 5 if you see the news that Barack Obama — Barack Hussein Obama — is president of the United States."

Classy!

The McCain campaign issued the obligatory statement — they must have a Control-F4 for this by now — saying, “We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character, and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November."

The Obama-Biden campaign says that McCain and Palin are only feeding into this type of rhetoric with their own attacks on Obama’s character, charges about his "palling around with terrorists" and his lack of patriotism.

What say you?

- jpt

User Comments

Seems like they’re enjoying whipping up a little lynch-mob mentality here. I guess it makes news, which is better than not getting covered at all.
Well, I say that we finally have a chance to say “ENOUGH” to this ugly, hate-filled politics.

Posted by: Tungsten | October 8, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

“Senator John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin have been running one of the most appalling campaigns we can remember,” the Tuesday editorial said. “They have gone far beyond the usual fare of quotes taken out of context and distortions of an opponent’s record — into the dark territory of race-baiting and xenophobia. Senator Barack Obama has taken some cheap shots at Mr. McCain, but there is no comparison.”
Those comments come two weeks after senior McCain advisors derided the New York Times, calling the news outlet “an Obama advocacy organization” in response to an article in the paper that reported McCain campaign manager Rick Davis was still profiting from failed mortgage giant Freddie Mac.

Posted by: Blue | October 8, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

“We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character, and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November”
Of course they don’t “condone” it.
They actively ENCOURAGE it.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

All the republicans are doing is further damaging their brand. Hopefully for generations.

Posted by: dem in chicago | October 8, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm

Mccain/Palin are getting more disgusting and desperate each day keep it up clowns obama will only SURGE in the polls!

Posted by: angie | October 8, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Ugh. Hope Obama has a lot of Secret Service people around him. It is just ugly.

Posted by: annm | October 8, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

ugh
true colors of a party …seem to be shining through loud and clear
seems they have lost their ability to lie and distract after 8 years 0of destroying our country
and those true colors coming from the Bush Cheney Palin mccain team
aren’t red white and blue…
throw these disgusting lying unAmerican schmucks who are responsible for distracting lying and falsely accusing for the last 8 years
to the curb.

Posted by: dl | October 8, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

seems McCain doesn’t care if he takes the whole republican party down with him.
I think pretty soon you will see a whole lotta republicans throw he and palin and Cindy under the bus.

Posted by: dl | October 8, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Maybe Sarah Palin should explain her lack of patriotism when she was “palling” around with the Alaska Independence Group.
What does that say about someone wanting to be VP when she didn’t even want to be a part of the USA!

Posted by: Tina | October 8, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Palin lights the fire and let the crowd shout racists rants. The worse in this story is that when a man shouted “kill him” in Florida, Palin was smiling.

Posted by: Fred | October 8, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

Maybe Sarah Palin should explain her lack of patriotism when she was “palling” around with the Alaska Independence Group.
What does that say about someone wanting to be our VP when she didn’t even want to be a part of the USA!

Posted by: Tina | October 8, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

I see that even some of the racist states like WV are now moving toward Obama. I guess when you are drowning people don’t care who will throw the life-preserver. They know that we just can’t afford 4 more years of the same bush/cheney policies. Obama/Biden 2008!!!

Posted by: pt | October 8, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Since when is the truth hate filled, he did/does pall around with terrorists and Ayers isn’t the only one. In fact to me hateful is Claire McCaskill handing her equipement off last night to Mitt Romney and then telling him she spit on it first.

Posted by: samhiguchi | October 8, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

The McCain/Palin ticket reflects hypocrisy at its extreme. Palin criticized Obama in PA for changing his position on off-shore oil drilling. Yet, she claims credit for Alaska divesting from Sudan when she was actually against it from the beginning. When it became a battle she couldn’t win she hopped on the divestment bandwagon. It was the same situation for the bridge to nowhere. McCain wants to pat himself on the back every other day about the so called success of the surge yet he forgets he was one of the people who brought us to this debacle in the first place. How are these two going to fare sitting around the table from either our allies or our adversaries. God forbid these two people get anywhere near the White House.

Posted by: puat | October 8, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm

I agree with the Obama-Biden campaign and I’m really sick of this stuff. I noted that Cindy McCain jumped right in there in her introduction of Palin. That’s her second day on the attack. It’s interesting to me that McCain is hiding behind Beauty Queens– letting them do the dirty work. I personally think it should send chills down Cindy’s spine that her husband is a war hawk, and that he’s lost all honor.

Posted by: Alyson | October 8, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

I am sorry the last time I checked that was his name – Barack Hussein Obama! If he is so proud of it why does he not use it? Barack Hussein Obama- Barack Hussein Obama – Barack Hussein Obama! That is what the Rev. Wright said during the most memorable press conferences he gave Barack Hussein Obama -Barack Hussein Obama – Barack Hussein Obama!
Speaking of the Rev. Wright where has he been lately?

Posted by: chuck | October 8, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

richardcranium1
wow
not a lot of posts impress me
but that oone you just did does.
you should poast that other places seriously
puts it really far in perspective doesn’t it?

Posted by: dl | October 8, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

I want to know why Sarah Palin doesn’t wear her wedding ring or a flag pin? Is she a cheater who hates america?

Posted by: Joej | October 8, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

The Next President of the United States has responded to his beleaguered opponent’s latest gimmick proposal.
“Senator McCain’s first response to this economic crisis was to say that the fundamentals of our economy are strong. Since then, he’s acknowledged that there is a crisis and offered multiple plans, sometimes conflicting. Last night, in his latest attempt to get it right, he threw out a proposal that appeared to give the Treasury authority it already has to re-structure troubled mortgages. But now that he’s finally released the details of his plan, it turns out it’s even more costly and out-of-touch than we ever imagined. John McCain wants the government to massively overpay for mortgages in a plan that would guarantee taxpayers lose money, and put them at risk of losing even more if home values don’t recover. The biggest beneficiaries of this plan will be the same financial institutions that got us into this mess, some of whom even committed fraud.
Since this beginning of this crisis, Barack Obama has demanded that any rescue plan must protect taxpayers and ensure that they share in any profit once the economy recovers, and he worked to include that principle in the plan that passed Congress. John McCain’s plan to overpay for bad mortgages by handing taxpayer dollars over to big financial institutions is erratic policy-making at its worst, and it’s not the change we need to strengthen our economy, create new jobs, and keep Americans in their homes.”

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

If Barry didn’t want Ayers coming up he shouldn’t have lied about their relationship in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. How Ayers was just some “guy from the neighborhood” after they worked on 2 or 3 public groups and Ayers had Barry appointed head of the Chicago Anneberg Challenge how is this just some random guy? Trying to take away a reporters right to print about said relationship and the chicago anneberg challenge also shows he had something to hide.
Same goes with the flag pin. First Barry said it represented false patriotism and he chose not to wear one. Then he didn’t wear one because it was on the other jacket. Then he wore one because a vet gave him one.
Considering Barry has called McCain a racist several times a warmonger even more times (saying McCain wanted 100 years of war) the Obama campaign has no room to complain.

Posted by: Zaggs | October 8, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

The zealots on both sides deserve each other and will bring down this country faster than al-Quaeda ever could. Maybe that was the plan all along.

Posted by: hmn | October 8, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

Just like in the debates, we see more examples of grumpy old McCain’s campaign.
Just like when McCain said “that one”, now he makes sure his GOP is using angry tactics as well.

Posted by: Dan | October 8, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

A new report out by the Wisconsin Advertising Project and TNS Media Intelligence/CMAG reflects the mounting intensity of the presidential campaign in its closing weeks
The analysis concluded that in the latest period, nearly 100 PERCENT OF McCAIN’S ADDS WERE NEGATIVE, compared to 34 percent of Obama’s ads.
You betcha McCain/Palin are rollin in the gosh darn mud.

Posted by: They've got nothing but smears | October 8, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm

Sara Palin and Mccain have done nothing but lie bring fear, hate, racisim, Into this election this will backfire big time secret service please up Senator obamas security no telling what those two nuts might do!MCCAIN/PALIN are the dangerous ones and when palin speaks on tv i turn the channel i dont want my children listening to that anti-american nut!

Posted by: angie | October 8, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

McCain’s and Palin’s are clearly showing they want to take the whole republican party down with them.
country first not
party first not…
their own power and legacy not just first
but at any cost.
america is getting disgusted with this same team that brought us the last 8 years…
and the McCain campaign over the last 8 days.
throw these unAmerican bums out before they destroy our country and their own party even more.

Posted by: dl | October 8, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

A new report out by the Wisconsin Advertising Project and TNS Media Intelligence/CMAG reflects the mounting intensity of the presidential campaign in its closing weeks
The analysis concluded that in the latest period, nearly 100 PERCENT OF McCAIN’S ADDS WERE NEGATIVE, compared to 34 percent of Obama’s ads.

Posted by: They've got nothing but smears | October 8, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

“Considering Barry has called McCain a racist several times”
Name a single instance when Obama called McCain or anyone a racist.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm

We need leaders like Obama for the 21st century and NOT throwbacks to the 1950s. McCain should retire while he has some semblance of dignity and Palin should return to moose hunting.

Posted by: davidm | October 8, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Sarah Palin is not only connected to the Alaskan Independent Party, she is connected to extreme religious groups.
She believes that she is anointed. She believes that God speaks directly through her. She is on a mission for God…in her mind. Check out the International Coalition of Apostles. These are the people that control Palin.
Get real people. Do you want a fanatic running the White House?
She is a dangerous woman.

Posted by: Jan | October 8, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

This is the sixth time it has been done. It is not an accident. They are egging people on, and need to stop it.

Posted by: Peg | October 8, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

I’m glad to see that McCain is “outing” his relationship with Ayers today. He claims to be endorsed by 100 former ambassadors, including Leonore Annenberg. She wasn’t an ambassador (fudging the truth, McCain?) but her late husband was. But she did start the Annenberg Foundation. Right the one that Ayers and Obama both sat on the board for. Obviously McCain is a big fan, and doesn’t care that she has such “dangerous terrorists” on her board.

Posted by: obamamama | October 8, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

“Are you better off than you were 2 years ago?”… 2years ago we had 4.5% unemployment, gas was $2.25 a gallon. interest rates low, virtually no inflation, Stock market climbing.. Then the Democrats came into power, especially taking over trhe banking committees and overseeing freddie mac and fannie mae, Look where we are now…. Democrats have destroyed America in just 2 years. This was thier plan to win the election, make people suffer.

Posted by: Arrest ANYONE thats disagrees with Obama | October 8, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

Look folks, it wasn’t the Republican Party that named Barack Hussein Obama. If you dislike hearing the man’s name so much maybe you should reconsider your support for him.

Posted by: Lynn | October 8, 2008, 3:18 pm 3:18 pm

The original PATRIOTS WERE NOT soldiers. They were ordinary folks who stood up against an oppressive govenment.
Barack knows EXACTLY what it is to be a patriot.

Posted by: The new patriots! | October 8, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

joej – “I want to know why Sarah Palin doesn’t wear her wedding ring or a flag pin?” She could not coordinate them with her white shee.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 8, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm

Jake, Sen. McCain just laid out his economic plan for “my fellow prisoners.” I’m sure the script said “my fellow Americans” or “my friends”. this is a noteworthy gaffee-is the Sen’s mind still locked in 1968?

Posted by: R. Wood | October 8, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

Pubs are showing their desperation.
They picked a loser candidate who picked an even bigger loser candidate.

Posted by: Your 15 minutes are up! | October 8, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

People – Obama’s parents choose his name. His father was also named Barack Hussein Obama. GET OFF IT. Look at all the damage two guys named George and Dickk have done to this country.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 8, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Hey Richard:
KKK of American – The US Government created Aids to Kill Blacks – God Damn America! Yeah let’s talk about the pastor and how Obama sat there listing to him rank like a crazy man for 20 Years! You want to compare 20 years of listening to hate speaches to a visiting pastor to a church! Come on bring it on you are going to lose this one! Hey I heard the Rev. Wright is holding another press conference tonight and Jessie Jackson / Al Sharpen will be there!

Posted by: chuck | October 8, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

Obamamam, please research before posting in public places. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge was not part of the Anneberg foundation. The CAC was set up as part of a 500 million dollar gift from Walter Annenberg and was not controlled by the Annenberg Foundation proper.

Posted by: Zaggs | October 8, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

If Obama didn’t have all these friends-of-dubious-repute, nobody could throw them in his face, and another one is now being investigated by the FBI. Doesn’t he have any friends who are not either domestic terrorists or crooks?

Posted by: Keith | October 8, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

.”But she did start the Annenberg Foundation. Right the one that Ayers and Obama both sat on the board for. Obviously McCain is a big fan, and doesn’t care that she has such “dangerous terrorists” on her board.”
Please educate yourself Obama supporter. Ayers and Obama did not sit on the Annenberg Foundation board. Annennberg gave them $50 million and challeneged them to improved Chicaho schools. They FAILED.
Obama became the first chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge — an education-reform project Ayers had founded, on whose board Obama would serve until it ended in 2001 (he was chairman until 1999).
The final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is available online here. We learn that the program received a $50 million grant from the Annenberg Foundation, on the condition that they raise at least twice as much (they did slightly better than the requirement, spending $160 million total when all was said and done) and commission their own evaluation. The report includes a lengthy description of the Challenge’s goals and methods, and a 33-page description of the methodology used to measure its progress. The bottom line is in the report’s executive summary:
Our research indicates that student outcomes in Annenberg schools were much like those in demographically similar non-Annenberg schools and across the Chicago school system as a whole, indicating that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on student outcomes.

Posted by: geevill | October 8, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

“So no Barry has never called for anything”
Obama authored the STOP RAUD act which was first introduced in Feb 2006. It went nowhere.
McCain became coponsor of a bill that had already died in committee in May of 2006. The bill remained dead.
Obama reintro’d the STOP FRAUD act in 2007.
McCain hasn’t done squat since his 1 half-hearted effort that was more political posturing than actual legislating.
Also I noticed you couldn’t answer the questionof a single instance in which Obama has called McCain racist.
Guess you were lying ….again.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

Tom Brokaw stated last night: “…let’s see if we can establish tonight the Obama doctrine and the McCain doctrine for the use of United States combat forces in situations where there’s a humanitarian crisis, but it does not affect our national security.”
Sen. Obama responded (in part):
“Well, we may not always have national security issues at stake, but we have moral issues at stake.
“If we could have intervened effectively in the Holocaust, who among us would say that we had a moral obligation not to go in?
“If we could’ve stopped Rwanda, surely, if we had the ability, that would be something that we would have to strongly consider and act.
“So when genocide is happening, when ethnic cleansing is happening somewhere around the world and we stand idly by, that diminishes us.
“And so I do believe that we have to consider it as part of our interests, our national interests, in intervening where possible.”
YET, just moments earlier he said: “I don’t understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.”
So it would have been okay to send troops into Rwanda–which obviously had nothing to do with 9/11. But he doesn’t understand us going into Iraq to end the mass killings, torture and rapes committed during Saddam Hussein’s presidency?

Posted by: James Danley | October 8, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm

that area of PA is mostly Republican.. McCain is preaching to the choir.
Good. Better he waste his time with people who have already decided to vote for him and the Ice Princess.

Posted by: Gus | October 8, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

It leads one to believe that the type of people who go to her rallies are either outright bigots, or have no moral compass that directs them towards the right path.
Other countries watch us in this historic election, and we are showing them that we are just as backward as we have ever been and that bigotry even in our government rears it’s ugly head.
I am sorry but I thought better of my fellow man, I thought after all these years we could be blind and not see color, but I see I am wrong.
I can understand this vile garbage coming out of Sarah’s mouth, it is who she is, but for a man of supposed honor like McCain to condone the behavior, makes him as much as a domestic terrorist as Ayers.
Bombs are not the only weapon needed in order to kill another human being, words of hate like what is being put out by the Republican Party, can kill just as easy.
It kills your dignity, your moral fiber,your true purpose in life, that which is to be your brother’s keeper and as McCain once said, (but I feel he has forgotten it) “to hold yourself up to something bigger then yourself.”
Maybe he will take Obama’s view and really change!!
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Bev | October 8, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

The McCain/Palin hate mongering will soon spill over to real life violence.
These two are completely irresponsible and unworthy of any respect.

Posted by: John | October 8, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

I think the words maverick and the slogan “my friends” should be eliminated from the english language. A friend of mine says that whenever mcbush says “my friends” a huge lie is coming. Send little john back to arizona and sarah back to alaska. They have worn out their welcome. they are embarassing not only themselves, but the country they profess to love, only they don’t

Posted by: cjr | October 8, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

Lyn
don’t you think it’s teamed with the
“terrorist” “killem” “boy” and everyone’s favorite “n@#$%er”
that has been reported in the past 48 hrs that palin seems to be basking in at her rally’s as
she makes comments alluding to Obama being “pals with terrorists”
as she and her husband spent 9 years a member, supporting giving moneys to…and enjoying the compnay of a part founded by a known attempted domestic terorist
a part that wanted to leave America.
this ticket
is the worst on so many levels that we have ever seen in our nation’s history
and now they are the most disgusting and unAmerican that we have ever seen
same team
same tactics
same country last…power first mentality
9th year
America get angry!
throw these bums out.

Posted by: klondike | October 8, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

“Our research indicates that student outcomes in Annenberg schools were much like those in demographically similar non-Annenberg schools and across the Chicago school system as a whole, indicating that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on student outcomes.”
Geevil uses clipped quotes from right wing sources.
A brief narrative description of the journal article, document, or resource. This study examined whether the Chicago Annenberg Challenge promoted improvement in schools it supported and in student achievement and other outcomes; factors that might explain improvement or lack thereof among Annenberg schools; and what could be learned from the Challenge’s experiences. It highlighted the period between 1996-1997 through 2000-2001. Results suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence. The study also examined trends in school improvement among a small group of “Breakthrough Schools,” which received special financial and professional support from the Challenge between 1990-2001, a time during which the Challenge began withdrawing funds from the other Annenberg schools. Overall, Breakthrough schools began to develop in ways that distinguished them from other Annenberg schools and sustained or strengthened aspects of teacher professional community, school leadership, and relational trust while other Annenberg schools did not. Factors distinguishing strong and weak schools included cultivation of strong, distributive leadership and use of an array of complementary, reinforcing strategies. Appendixes contain research methodology and results.
Surprisingly(ok I jest) they do not tell the full story.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

For this race is over, it will be one of the nasty race in history which is full of racist, hate, lies, and trying to divide the American people.

Posted by: gl | October 8, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm

sorry put my aol name in
klondiek is dl

Posted by: klondike | October 8, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Ryan C wrote: “McCain became coponsor of a bill that had already died in committee in May of 2006. The bill remained dead.”
I think you will find that the bill actually passed through the committee. The bill died ONLY because the Democrats blocked a vote of the full Senate. Had they not blocked the vote, the bill would have passed.

Posted by: James Danley | October 8, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

James – “YET, just moments earlier he said: “I don’t understand how we ended up invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11.” Osama Bin LAden was in Pakistan and the “government “there supported his efforts to stage 9- 11. I think we wound up in Iran because of some boggus weapons of mass destruction.The “retaliation”for 9-11 was in Pakistan.

Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 8, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

“He wants to stop genocide in Darfur. But is on record as stating genocide in Iraq is acceptable.”
Concerned lies yet again.
Obama has never said genocide in Iraq is acceptable.
Gotta get those McCain points!

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Guilt by association? It goes both ways. Of course you don’t like it when it’s unfairly aimed at your candidate. Thanks for proving the point.

Posted by: obamamama | October 8, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

The McCain campaign issued the obligatory statement — they must have a Control-F4 for this by now — saying, “We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character, and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November.” IT IS TOO LATE – RACIST HAVE RAISED IT UGLY HEAD THANKS TO MCCAIN AND PALIN!
What about the statments from the crowd yesterday shouting kill him, terrist which the McCain camp didn’t denounce.

Posted by: gl | October 8, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

whether you don’t like or support obama or not
you have to be revolted by Palin and the tactics we have seen in the past 2 days.

Posted by: dl | October 8, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

I think people should send a loud clear message to McCain’s campaign..via the media…saying enough !!! This is beyond dispicable & is more then mildly dangerous. This type of rhetoric incites many rascists out there who already have a tendency to be violent. So people send a clear message that this type of tactic is unaaceptable in a civil society!!! Ask the media to use their pressue to put an end to this today!!!

Posted by: Dee | October 8, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

His middle name is Hussein? I would mention it all the time. Why is his name off limits?

Posted by: ab | October 8, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

“I think you will find that the bill actually passed through the committee. The bill died ONLY because the Democrats blocked a vote of the full Senate. Had they not blocked the vote, the bill would have passed.”
James Danley,
Don’t make things up.
The Democrats opposed S.190 but they did not block it having no power to do so.
There was a party line vote in committee and the Republican committee chair decided to keep the bill in committee because there were doubts about its passage.
Of course all this happened before McCain coposnored the bill nearly a year and ahalf after it was intro’d to the 109th Congress (Hagel also intro’d a similar bill to the 108th Congress)

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

James Danley :did you just post this and not really read it at all???
Read the last 12 words and then re-think your statement.
It had nothing to do with terrorism in our country…It had to do with genocide in another country and not our national security.
And last note:Bin Laden was not in Iraq, oh, but the oil was!!!
Tom Brokaw stated last night: “…let’s see if we can establish tonight the Obama doctrine and the McCain doctrine for the use of United States combat forces in situations where there’s a humanitarian crisis, but it does not affect our national security.”
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Bev | October 8, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

Jenny Rome GA, you should read the 2002 Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq. We went into Iraq because Saddam Hussein refused to comply with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire. President Bush decided 12 years of diplomatically trying to persuade Saddam Hussein to comply was long enough. So President Bush rescinded the cease fire and resumed the 1991 Gulf War. Whether there were WMDs or not was irrelevant.

Posted by: James Danley | October 8, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

I wonder if she realizes what she has done to her reputation
the reputation of her state
what she has done in the past few days (never mind in her interviews and the last few weeks)
to republicans chances down ballot…
actually she doesn’t deserve the first blame
that should go to the guy that was so self centered and so valuing his own caniddacy over that of the welfare and safety of the country…
John Mccain.
same team
same tactics (actually worse)
9th year
tell these a##es where to go.

Posted by: dl | October 8, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

Zaggs,
McCain became cosponsor of a bill a year and half after it died in committee and claims he is the great reformer.
Obama authors a bill to protect home owners from fraud.
I think its clear Obama was working on this while McCain could care less.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

PT: I presented a very similar juxtaposition, to point out the insidious nature of bigotry within our system. Suffice it to say, one of the responses I got was one of ignorance, while the others, demonstrated support for Obama. My point? Simple, while there’s an obvious desire to change the way we, as a country, do things. We must keep in mind that the people that are spewing this bigoted venom, are actually SCARED. They’re scared of having to be held accountable to the very ones they’ve spewed their hatred on. While change is sufferable, people would prefer to suffer.

Posted by: Nathaniel Hargraves | October 8, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

John |- I totally agree with your message if McCain and Palin keep this up it will spill into the real world and start a racist fight and we have came to far to go back into time. These two have to go! GO NOW AND RIGHT NOW BEFORE THEY CASUE MORE DEMANAGE!

Posted by: GL | October 8, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

I think it’s very hypocritical of the McCain camp to try and play the good cop.
The McCain ship is sinking fast. They’re looking at the polls… especially the state by state poll giving an Obama landslide. They’re in panic mode.
Obama did a GREAT job last night and should continue to hammer away at the economy and healthcare.

Posted by: Vanessa | October 8, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

Ryan C, McCain spoke up in the senate about the coming crisis and tried to do something to avoid the current crisis. he consponsored a bill that is very similar to the bailout bill. Barry passed on supporting it and the democrats killed it.
Barry wrote a letter to the treasury (supposedly as googling it brings up nothing) which had already sent out its own warnings. McCain lead, Barry wrote and preached to the choir.

Posted by: Zaggs | October 8, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

“But he doesn’t understand us going into Iraq to end the mass killings, torture and rapes committed during Saddam Hussein’s presidency?”
Except the rape rooms and people shredders we were told about by con artist Chalabi did not exist.
The mass killings by Saddam?
We were a decade late.
Hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have died in the last 5 1/2 years either by violence directly from our hands or because of the instable conditions we have created.
Iraq will forever be our shame.
A war based on lies that accomplished nothing but death and destruction.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

This is like a rerun of the Primary. Hillary supporters weren’t supposed to use his middle name either because it was fear mongering and racist.
It’s ridiculous. When Obama is sworn in what’s he going to say “I Barack Hu….oh wait, I Barack Obama, oh wait, what was my name before that”?

Posted by: Kris | October 8, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Ryan C wrote: “The Democrats opposed S.190 but they did not block it having no power to do so.” It requires 60 votes for a bill to be voted on by the full Senate.

Posted by: James Danley | October 8, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm

“McCain spoke up in the senate about the coming crisis and tried to do something to avoid the current crisis. he consponsored a bill that is very similar to the bailout bill.”
The bill is not similar to the bailout. And he cosponsored it a year and half after it died in committee.
“Barry passed on supporting it”
Obama was not in that committee.
“and the democrats killed it.”
How did the Democrats kill it when Republicans controlled the chair and the Senate?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

That “pallin’ around with terrorists” quote was used once on Saturda, but has not been used since by the campaign. Why does the media insist on perpetrating this, but chooses not to investigate the real or implied connection between Ayers and Obama? Just today the Obama campaign issued a statement saying that the two were in contact until 2005. Last week, they had a brief encounter with coffee near by once. Why isn’t that getting any play?

Posted by: Rebecca | October 8, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

I’m voting for “that man” Barack Hussein Obama. Yeah baby!

Posted by: linda n carolina | October 8, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

They way McCain talk down on Chicago I can not imagae anyone in that state voiting for him. He totally disrespect all the people in Chicago with his nasty remarks. Same on McCain and his out right hatered toward the black race.

Posted by: gl | October 8, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

Zaggs, what genocide in Iraq are you talking about? The secretarian violence that resulted in the invasion of Iraq? Because if you stop listening to GOP talking points and do a little research, that did not exist before we invaded Iraq.

Posted by: EDDIT | October 8, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

The line separating from “classy” from not so was breached a month ago when Barack Obama started running ads questioning John McCain’s “honor”–which no political opponent has ever done to the war hero in his 30 years in politics.
Given that, is it utterly hypocritical to accuse Palin of being tacky by referring to Barack Obama by his full legal name. (Including his middle moniker “Hussein”.)
NOTICE TO ABC: Your candidate of choice is so far in the lead you can relax and at least pretend to be neutral now.

Posted by: Stephen Gianelli | October 8, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
Get used to it!

Posted by: Sarah, your 15 minutes are up! | October 8, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

If Obama does become president, we can all look forward to his daily beatings by the press for his further destruction of the economy through higher taxes, his inablility to reach bi-partisan consensus on any topic, his immediate lame-duck status from an emergency freeze on government spending, and his phenominal record-low approval ratings.
At least that is something for us to look forward to…

Posted by: One_American | October 8, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

As a Christian, I do not see how anyone could support the disgusting tactics now employed by McCain. I previously donated to his campaign. I now will always regret that any of my money went into this xenophobic fear tactics and smearing.
John McCain’s campaign is single handedly bringing down our country’s level of discourse, and I think, is actively raising the probability of political violence. I am ashamed that his “base” seems to be other evangelical Christians like me.
I wish I could apologize on behalf of my cultural group. Maybe we’ll surprise everyone and get even more tepid in our support of McCain because of his immoral attacks, but I wouldn’t count on it because of our willingness to be used cynically by politicians grandstanding on the abortion issue.

Posted by: Robert | October 8, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Saying his middle name “Hussein” means nothing unless you connect it with terrorism the way Palin and others have done.
And since 9/11 it does not take much for people to get worked up over that name.
It would be the same i.e. (and a stretch I know, but could not think of another example) if someone had the middle name Hitler, but had nothing to do with anything, but say that name and put genocide beside it when introducing that person and you know what you have.
That is called guilt by assumption and that shows a real uneducated person.
Enough said, guess we will just wait and see how far this can go and GOD forbid it goes to a much higher extreme.
Heaven help us all.
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Bev | October 8, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

McCain’s credibiily is shot. If he wanted to stop all this you know he could. He won’t because he’s losing. I also think he is a little afraid of trying to mute Palin, even though that would the honorable thing to do.

Posted by: indy_voter | October 8, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm

Bev, my point was that Sen. Obama couldn’t understand us invading Iraq when it had nothing to do with 9/11. Yet Iraq was killing innocent men women and child. And millions of children were starving because of Saddam Hussein’s oil-for-food scam. THAT FITS the criteria layed out by Tom Brokaw: “…a humanitarian crisis, but it does not affect our national security.” So Sen. Obama thought we should have gone into Rwanda…but not Iraq!

Posted by: James Danley | October 8, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

“McCain lead”
For Zaggs, McCain “leading” is cosponsoring a bill in May of 2006 that had been kicking around since 2003.
Right wingers not only lie but are apparently quite gullible.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

GOD HELP US IF OBAMA WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TERRY | October 8, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

FROM FOX:
A new report out by the Wisconsin Advertising Project and TNS Media Intelligence/CMAG reflects the mounting intensity of the presidential campaign in its closing weeks
The analysis concluded that in the latest period, nearly 100 PERCENT OF McCAIN’S ADDS WERE NEGATIVE, compared to 34 percent of Obama’s ads.
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That about sums it up. They have no plan to offer, so they have to attack Obama as their only hope.

Posted by: Sarah, your 15 minutes are up! | October 8, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

Geesh, people (Rebecca, et al.). Do some research of your own rather than listening to the Sean Hannitys of the world. As pretty much every legitimate news org. has explained, there is no “relationship” between Obama and Ayers. They live in the same neighborhood and they’ve sat on the board of an educational foundation. (Ayers is respected on both sides for his work in reforming education; in fact, that foundation is funded by a conservative Republican who seems to have no problem with Ayers’ involvement.) The worst that can be said is that Obama attended a fundraiser at Ayers’ house years ago. Yet Obama was invited there by someone else, and didn’t even know about Ayers’ past.
Talk about manufacturing character attacks. Meanwhile, Palin’s *husband* has *recently* been a member of a political party that advocates seceding from the U.S. Hypocrisy is alive and well.

Posted by: MLA | October 8, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

“Yet Iraq was killing innocent men women and child.”
Iraq killed far more innocent men and women after we abandoned the Shia in 1991.
“And millions of children were starving because of Saddam Hussein’s oil-for-food scam.”
Millions of children starved because of OUR sanctions which never punish the leaders but the people.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

All the voter fraud Obamas been teaching his cronies will still not be enough to win him the WH. Pathetic booger! UGH!

Posted by: albensmom | October 8, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

meant to say GOD forbid “IF” it goes to a higher extreme.

Posted by: Bev | October 8, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

Ryan C. the bill was not brought up because the Senate Majority Leader knew it would be filibustered.

Posted by: James Danley | October 8, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

The McCain campaign issued the obligatory statement — they must have a Control-F4 for this by now — saying, “We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character, and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November.”
*********************************************
On the contrary, it does not distract us from the questions of judgment and character that voters will base their decisions on this November. John McCain and Sarah Palin are answering those very questions for us when they hold their reckless and irresponsible Klan-like rallies.
My decision have been made? The only question I have left is Do either of them have a single honorable bone in their body?

Posted by: Truth Matters | October 8, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

“Did Saddam Torture people? Yes”
Yes and to combat that horrible violation of human rights we went into a Iraq, took over Abu Ghraib, let all the prisoners go, filled it up with our own prisoners and began torturing them.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

“the bill was not brought up because the Senate Majority Leader knew it would be filibustered”
So apparently the bill was not important enough to even try to get a vote on it.
Republican leadership = if its hard, we won’t bother!

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

By the way you gotta love that McCain’s donors is the current president and chairman of Annenberg Challenge Project, Leonore Annenberg.
Sound familiar? That’s because it also graces the name of the Chicago education board where Barack Obama and William Ayers sat in the room six times together.
Want to play guilt by association? I’ll see your Ayers, Wright and Rezko and raise you a Annenberg, Liddy, and Keating. HYPOCRITE!

Posted by: EDDIT | October 8, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

I’M BEGINNING TO FEEL SORRY FOR MCCAIN….

Posted by: Levi | October 8, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

Obama told his supporters to get in their faces. He stood by while Clinton was savaged by the press and the right wing media machines. He concealed, lied and obsfuscated. He turned the Democratic Party into thugs and along the way corrupted the young with radical ideas that were moldy and dangerous 40 years ago when people like Ayers decided to try to overthrow the American government.
There really is nothing to say at this point. He is reaping what he has sown.
The bad news is if he wins, it will get worse. As the twig is bent, so grows the tree.
And the mainstream media has forfeit any trust, so no consolation there either. You joined the Mad Hatter’s Tea Party.
“Why is a raven like a writing desk?”

Posted by: len | October 8, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

“We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character, and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November.”
But you don’t do anything to stop it either do you McCain??
All your advanced team has to do is say, “Don’t use Obama’s middle name when introducing the candidates. Don’t use his middle name when warming up the crowd. In fact, just DON’T USE IT!”
McCain/Palin love it when this happens! That’s why they will never do anything in their power (and they have that power by the way) to stop it.
Pathetic, little, hateful ticket the GOP has going there huh?

Posted by: Greg in MN | October 8, 2008, 3:57 pm 3:57 pm

The more they say “Barack Hussein Obama”, the less effective it will be.
I instantly tune out anyone who starts a comment with it nowadays. Much like “maverick”.
Oh, and “hope”.
I don’t have much of that anymore either.

Posted by: Chicka | October 8, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

“We do not condone this inappropriate rhetoric which distracts from the real questions of judgment, character, and experience that voters will base their decisions on this November.”
McCain / Palin resort to name calling because they lack real leadership or fresh ideas…the old racist scare tactics are a sign of their desperation.

Posted by: Suzanne | October 8, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

See Ryan is back. Was it your turn to shine obama’s shoes for a few days. A body would think you are on his campaign staff to make sure we are set straight on the lies being told by the right. Well, the right may make statements on this blog, but we are just as smart as you and maybe more.

Posted by: Lilly | October 8, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm

Ryan C, McCain made a floor speech on S.190 in the hopes of getting a floor vote. Being the majority against democrats were able to kill it. oh and there is the little matter of S.1508 which McCain also co-sponsored in the 108th congress (hmmm back to back sessions of congress where McCain tried to get regulation on GSE’s…its like he knew something was coming).

Posted by: Zaggs | October 8, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

Hey,
Recently right-wing smear groups have tried using guilt-by-association to connect Barack Obama to Professor William Ayers.
Here’s the truth: the smear associating Barack to Ayers is “phony,” “tenuous,“ – even “exaggerated at best if not outright false.” Ayers and Barack barely know each other. They served together on the boards of local charities, but do not know each other well.
Ayers is now professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Barack has publicly denounced the acts Ayers committed in the 1960’s (when Barack was only 8 years old).
Stick to the script Obama bloggers. Your false attacks on the Annenberg family show your ignorance.

Posted by: Geevill | October 8, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

It is his name, people. Are you ashamed of it? When he takes the oath of office, will it be as Barack Obama or Barak Hussein Obama?

Posted by: Mdl | October 8, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Eddit, Leonore Annenberg had nothing to do with the CHICAGO Annenberg Challenge. She is head of the Annenberg FOUNDATION which did not run CAC.

Posted by: Zaggs | October 8, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

I wish people that are in any way connected to the McCain campaign would not do the Barack Hussein Obama thing.
On the other hand, how outrageous that we are about to elect a man and yet saying his middle name has somehow become taboo. I remember when Jim Webb supporters called George Allen “George Felix Allen” because they thought it sounded effeminate.
The Obama campaign has a history of being “really upset” that someone is trying to say coded messages about them. Like when Hillary supposedly calling for Obama’s assassination by bringing up Bobby Kennedy.

Posted by: MayBee | October 8, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm

The conduct of the McCain/Palin campaign is shameful and dangerous. America is too fractured now to be able to easily recover from a political assassination, and Palin has crossed the line to incitement.

Posted by: Reality-based | October 8, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

Geevil, are you naive. This man Ayers is a bomber and said he didn’t do enough. I don’t care if obama was a gleam in his dad’s eye at the time that happened he was associated with him. You should be judged by the company you keep…at least that was what I was taught. This country has gone to hell in a handbasket’ and this guy will finish the job.

Posted by: Lilly | October 8, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

McCain and Palin have belonged to organizations founded by despicable, anti-American/anti-semetic/racist people and so they are hypocrites. They should be investigated and the media should be reporting on that (Iran Contra/secessionist party in alaska). Shame on McShame and that cancer, Palin.

Posted by: bernadette | October 8, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm

McCain made a floor speech on S.190 in the hopes of getting a floor vote. “Being the majority against democrats were able to kill it.”
Democrats were in an 11 seat minority in 2006. Yet another lie by Zaggs.
“oh and there is the little matter of S.1508 which McCain also co-sponsored in the 108th congress”
You mean the bill I told you about and have been talking about ever since right wingers proffered McCain as the champion of S.190?
Way to research, ROFLMAO!
You may notice the cosponsorhip reflects its change into S.190.
Cosponsors [as of 2006-07-09]

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

I honestly do not think McCain has the “lynch mob” hateful mentality that Palin may.
Palin is smart but dumb and she’s the biggest liar in politics — and that’s saying something. Frankly, she shames my gender. She’s against any program or law that would support women or children, she supports cruelty to animals, and she is lousy with money.
Why McCain would put crazy Sarah Palin in front of the toothless crowd to whip them into a hate-frenzy is beyond my understanding.

Posted by: Marilyn | October 8, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm

Zaggs, Zaggs? Sounds familiar. Oh, I remember. A prop in Beetlejuice! Ends with Nuts! Very Mavericky.

Posted by: ricky | October 8, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

If these are the kind of racist ideas illuminated on a simple blog. Can ANYONE image what is happening in the back woods of Alabama, Appalachia, and Alaska?
This will, I am sure, have unintended, negative consequences for the McCain/Palin campaign.
Americans, while a little apprehensive to speak about their fears, are basically over the whole white supremacy thing. This is 2008, who runs on a white supremacy platform anymore?
It is another example of McSame’s McShame’s
McPain(lin).
(Let’s see who David Duke endorses, as if we didn’t know… is he still alive?)
The Obama campaign should check McShame’s donor list for these extreme right wingers. Are they not domestic terrorists too?

Posted by: give me a break | October 8, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Tell me, Have you heard Hussein promiss
anthing yet? The house and senate run
this country. Do you really think their
going to fall for all Hussein’s change of plans? I don’t think so………….
Hellooooooo America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Joey | October 8, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

I can’t wait for this election to be over so we can stop being barraged with “bad pun” headlines. Unheavenly in Bethlehem, ugghh? Both campaigns and the media coverage has been nothing but “unheavenly”?

Posted by: mhh | October 8, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

Len is mad about the savaging of Clinton by right wing media then goes on to blame Obama for that and the current assault on himself by right wing media machines.
It would be so interesting to see len actual stand for the principles he claims to.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

If something happens to Obama, McCain and Palin should be held responsible. Sarah has made racists remarks before in Alaska (just read the local press) and now she is showing her true colors.

Posted by: Mrs. T | October 8, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

Ryan C, simply question for ya. What has Obama lead, what has he reformed?

Posted by: Zaggs | October 8, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

MayBee: It’s not that his middle name is used. It’s that his middle is used when no-one else’s middle name is used (how often do you hear ‘John Sidney McCain’?). There’s no good reason for it. There’s a lot of bad reasons for it though.

Posted by: Aengil | October 8, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

you did not provide the full quote.
on msnbc earlier, the host quoted the person as asking how you would feel “…if you knew you could have volunteered to prevent it…”
the mccain spokesperson did not deny that the statement was made.
why did jake tapper NOT provide the full quote, which clearly appears to solicit a volunteer who is willing to prevent obama from becoming president.
and we all know what that means.

Posted by: frankie d | October 8, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

“McCain twice has tried to get floor votes on bills in two different sessions, yes he cosponsored them because he wasn’t on the banking committee (Hagel was) because McCain knew what was happening.”
McCain knew what was happening so he waited a year and half after a bill died in committee and then decided to cosponsor it.
We know he didn’t author it because McCain dislikes any regulations.
Which is why he cared so little about S.190.
And Obama getting $120K in donations from Fannie Mae is peanuts compared to the $240K Rick Davis firm was paid this year alone for access to Sen McCain.
In addition McCain has joint fundraised with RNC $189K from just 8 Fannie Mae bigwigs in the last year.
Speaking of singing, love the McCain lie that his singing bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran was a private joke when he did on stage at a fundraiser.
John McCain “I’ll lose my integrity before I’ll lose and election”

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm

She has done how many interviews with Hannity, who used an avowed anti-semite for his smear infomercial on Obama. Do a little research people. Jake as a journalist you need to step up before this escalates. The McCain campaign needs to be called out on this.
Remember the guys in Denver who were plotting to kill Obama, a republican appointed US attny would not prosecute. Coincidence?

Posted by: Mrs. T | October 8, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

“Think about how you’ll feel on Nov. 5 if you see the news that Barack Obama — Barack Hussein Obama — is president of the United States.”
Relieved?
W’s a nice letter. It spells some of my favorite things. Like…
Wow
Woo-hoo
Water
Whee
Wonder Woman
Wasn’t George W Bush awful?
Worst president ever
Wrong direction for the last 8 years.
Why would we give you 4 more?
We want our country back and of course…
Who really gives a crap what the president’s middle name is?

Posted by: birchbeer | October 8, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm

Concerned is lying again
SUNAPEE, N.H. – Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday the United States cannot use its military to solve humanitarian problems and that preventing a potential genocide in Iraq isn’t a good enough reason to keep U.S. forces there.
“Well, look, if that’s the criteria by which we are making decisions on the deployment of U.S. forces, then by that argument you would have 300,000 troops in the Congo right now — where millions have been slaughtered as a consequence of ethnic strife — which we haven’t done,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.
“We would be deploying unilaterally and occupying the Sudan, which we haven’t done. Those of us who care about Darfur don’t think it would be a good idea,” he said.
“Nobody is proposing we leave precipitously. There are still going to be U.S. forces in the region that could intercede, with an international force, on an emergency basis,” Obama said between stops on the first of two days scheduled on the New Hampshire campaign trail. “There’s no doubt there are risks of increased bloodshed in Iraq without a continuing U.S. presence there.”
The greater risk is staying in Iraq, Obama said.
“It is my assessment that those risks are even greater if we continue to occupy Iraq and serve as a magnet for not only terrorist activity but also irresponsible behavior by Iraqi factions,” he said.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

Donations from Fannie are from individual employees and if 2300.00 is the limit that hardly eqautes to influence. Also Rick Davis is a lobbyist runs a lobbying firm which was being paid 15 k a month up unitl August. Read WAPO and NY Times for more background. Inform yourself nefore you speak.

Posted by: Mrs. T | October 8, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

The idiot who picked the fight with Sean last night and accused him of being anti semitic, was shut up by ALAN COLMES who said he is not. Alan knows as he is his partner and friend and a Jew. If you want to talk about anti Semites, lets talk Farrakhan, Wright, or Obama’s half brother Abongo Roy Oabma.

Posted by: hanna | October 8, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

Conservative writer David Brooks: Sarah Palin “represents a fatal cancer to the Republican party”
Sarah Palin represents a fatal cancer to the republican party. When I first started in journalism, I worked at the National Review for Bill Buckley. And Buckley famously said he’d rather be ruled by the first 2,000 names in the Boston phone book than by the Harvard faculty. But he didn’t think those were the only two options. He thought it was important to have people on the conservative side who celebrated ideas, who celebrated learning. And his whole life was based on that, and that was also true for a lot of the other conservatives in the Reagan era. Reagan had an immense faith in the power of ideas. But there has been a counter, more populist tradition, which is not only to scorn liberal ideas but to scorn ideas entirely. And I’m afraid that Sarah Palin has those prejudices. I think President Bush has those prejudices.

Posted by: Embarracuda | October 8, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

“Barack Obama is on record as saying preventing genocide in Iraq is not a good enough reason for our troops to be in Iraq.”
Because he feels our overwhelming ground forces are part of the problem on the ground.
“Yet clearly stated last night we should intervene in Darfur to stop/prevent further genocide.”
At no point did he call for invasion
“Let’s take the example of Darfur just for a moment. Right now there’s a peacekeeping force that has been set up and we have African Union troops in Darfur to stop a genocide that has killed hundreds of thousands of people.
We could be providing logistical support, setting up a no-fly zone at relatively little cost to us, but we can only do it if we can help mobilize the international community and lead. And that’s what I intend to do when I’m president.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Every stump speech and debate we watch is basically a job interview for the presidency, and we are the ones doing the hiring.
McCain has walked into my office and never looked me in the eyes and/or given me a straight answer. He has never given me a clear rhetoric of what he would do to help me solve any outstanding problems, other than call me “friend” and say “I can do this”, or “I know how to do that”. Beyond that, he is also subversively inciting racial hatred for the African-American potential job candidate ready to sit for his own interview for the position.
When I interview Obama, I am spoken to directly, given clear answers and possible solutions to any problems. He doesn’t pull the race card to get the job. He knows he’s been referred to as “That One” and PERSONALLY lets it slide. He knows he doesn’t have the experience of the previous candidate, but he commands my respect with his ability to clearly and eloquantly address every issue I have. He has assured me that he will utilize all the resources available to him to get the job done and done correctly. He has assured me that he will take time to deliberate the problems and issues we face, but when the time for action has arrived, he will move forward! He has assured me that he is a job candidate that will not repeat the errors of the previous employee.
I think I’m heading to Human Resources as soon as I can and will ask them to hire “That One” as soon as he’s available to start.

Posted by: Jacqueline | October 8, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

“What has Obama lead, what has he reformed?”
He has 3 big reforms in my mind, in his community service work, in the state legislature and in the US Senate.
In community service he defended the right of people under Motor Voter.
In the IL legislature, he worked to have police confessions taped to prevent police coercion in confessions, something that Chicago police had an issue with.
In the US Senate he has worked to make earmarks transparent passing a main bill, then several additional bills with Sen Coburn.
He has also worked with Sen Lugar in nuclear weapons securement.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

I say GO, GO, GO! Pull every one of Obama’s skeletons out of the closet.

Posted by: Casey | October 8, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm

Keep it up GOP! You are convincing exactly zero undecideds with this kind of rhetoric and reminding every decent person in this country why they hate you.

Posted by: Steve | October 8, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm

I used to register a Republican. My whole family consists of registered Republicans. In general, Republican voters are pretty nice people.
But when I hear stuff like this and read some of the comments… I cannot help but cringe.
The whole tenor of the McCain-Palin campaign (and their bloggers, pundits, and surrogates) and the atmosphere of their rallies… make Republicans seem really stupid.
I know it’s not true. But if I were a Republican, and I heard my fellow Republicans saying some of the inane and cynical stuff they say in the press… I would let them know I don’t approve.

Posted by: blip | October 8, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

McCain and Palin have to appeal to the lowest instincts in people. This is all they have. What is interesting though is their presumption that such bottom of the barrel sentiments reside in people and that such tactics will be successful. Time will tell.

Posted by: puat | October 8, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Oh look concerned has jumped on the latest right wing lunacy.
Its gone from seeking an endorsement by the New Party smear from Redstate a few months ago to now he is a member of the party!
Concerned, such a good little water carrier for his right wing masters.
Hope you got extra points for that one.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

Vote Vets vs. McCain on G.I. Bill
A harsh, “vet to vet” ad accuses McCain of putting his “rich friends ahead of vets like me” for skipping a vote on helping veterans pay for school. (To be fair, both candidates have missed a lot of vote.)
The group Vote Vets, one of the few independent groups that seems to have a bit of money to spend, says it’s putting $350,000 behind the ad in Virginia, and $40,000 more behind a radio ad on veterans’ health care in New Mexico.

Posted by: mccain's honor | October 8, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

Concerned in OH
I would be interested to hear the full quote of Obama on genocide in Iraq. usually you guys find some way to twist it around.
Either way, nothing in Iraq could ever be as bad as what we have been standing by and watching in Darfur.

Posted by: jock59801 | October 8, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

Fear, Hate and Division is all they’ve got.

Posted by: thebob.bob | October 8, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

Just reading some of the posts here makes my hair stand on end.
IGNORANCE BREEDS FEAR
FEAR BREEDS HATE
HATE BREEDS VIOLENCE
It’s bad enough we have to live our lives constantly guarded and wary. Now we get to see the true face of America? Intolerant, unmovable, bullying, manipulative, untrustworthy, and brimming with uneducated, unstable and violent prone individuals to short sighted to think of anyone else but themselves and their personal agenda.
To me Sarah Palin is proof that many people just “don’t get it” and would settle for shallow style versus active substance. The last time the world allowed this was when a man named Aldolf Hitler
seduced a nation and condemned it to the finality of damnation. He fanned the flames of hate, fear and violence and the ignorant masses flocked like lambs to the slaughter.
Ms. Palin with a wink of her eye and flippant folksy rhetoric incites the tenets of fear and hate. McCain and Palin are playing with fire for by doing so as this nation trembles under the stress of one failure after another only invites the ugly specter of violent revolution.
They’ve lit a fuse without thinking of future consequences to further their present agenda. Maybe they are that ignorant or maybe they just don’t really care.
Worse yet, maybe it’s both.

Posted by: TheNightShepherd | October 8, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

Keep up the GOOD Work McCain/Palin -
You must save our country. Obama is an Arrogant, Radical FRAUD. We will find out the TRUTH/FACTS about this guy the DNC pushed out – before it’s too late!
McCain/Palin – a team we can TRUST!

Posted by: Molly | October 8, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

Poor Sarah Palin, shoutin’ and flailin’, flingin’ some old moose doo-doo. She don’t have to read, she don’t have to think, and she’s got her sights set on you. Please Mrs. Dude, don’t be so darned rude, don’t stoop to those old Karl Rove tricks! If you’re gonna run, put down that big gun, put away all the stones and the sticks. Remember Old McCain, who’s now such a pain, the way he once talked straight and true? C’mon, Sarah Palin, this tactic is failin’, let’s hear somethin’ honest from you.
And let’s elect the smart guy this time, not another of these Republican marionettes: go Obama!

Posted by: Tom Jefferson | October 8, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

I am a black Democrat who will be voting Republican this year. I could less if you or anyone THINK you know “who or what” I am.
Get over yourself – I have.
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony

Posted by: LeeLee07 | October 8, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

I agree, it is trivial. The Obama Supporters are just a tad touchy about it though.
ROFLMAO!!!
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony

Posted by: LeeLee07 | October 8, 2008, 5:43 pm 5:43 pm

Interesting stuff there about Obama’s membership in the New Party, and his endorsements from the Democratic Socialists of America back when he was running for the State Senate in the ’90s.
I remember when Bush Sr’s remark about Dukakis being a “card-carrying member of the ACLU” probably cost Dukakis hundreds of thousands of votes back in ’88.
Maybe McCain could mention Obama’s membership in these groups at the next debate?

Posted by: SandyB | October 8, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

“Interesting stuff there about Obama’s membership in the New Party, and his endorsements from the Democratic Socialists of America back when he was running for the State Senate in the ’90s.
I remember when Bush Sr’s remark about Dukakis being a “card-carrying member of the ACLU” probably cost Dukakis hundreds of thousands of votes back in ’88.”
SandyB unwittingly reveals that when Republicans are losing they play the communist card.
The problem of course is that at this point the American people do not trust right wing media or the McCain campaign so it will be tough to sell them yet another lie.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

“I am a black Democrat who will be voting Republican this year. I could less if you or anyone THINK you know “who or what” I am.”
Sure you are
“You can be whoever you want to be,” says an inviting Phil Tuchman. “You can be a beggar or a millionaire. A mom or a husband. Whatever. You decide!”
I volunteer in political campaigns now and then. After a series of outings for Obama and a first mission as a phone banker for John McCain, I returned to McCain’s headquarters in Arlington, Va. The offer was too alluring to delay — they wanted to put me into action as a ghostwriter. Next to commercials and phone banking, writing letters to the editor is the most important method of the McCain campaign to attract voters. At least that is what’s written in the guidelines that McCain campaign worker Phil Tuchman presents to me.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

From Greenwald:
Hannity never once said a negative word about Martin; never challenged him on anything he ever said or did; and never informed Fox viewers about Martin’s despicable, truly demented history. Instead, Martin was Sean Hannity’s respected source, presented as an “Author and Journalist” to support Hannity’s “reporting.” As Fort Lauderdale’s Sun-Sentinel put it: Fox’s “star witness was Andy Martin, whose incendiary, unsubstantiated claims about Obama’s past were allowed to go unchallenged.”

Posted by: Fizziwig | October 8, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

Hannity is a HATER, and JM & SP choose to only do interviews with him so they can spread their hate.
Alan Colmes is a wimp and a disgrace to the dems who is constantly beaten own by Hannity he only serves as a metaphor for how Fox sees the dems, as a bunch of panzies. If anyone believes Hannity does not spread hate then they are as ignorant as he is.

Posted by: Fizziwig | October 8, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

“Sure you are
“You can be whoever you want to be,” says an inviting Phil Tuchman. “You can be a beggar or a millionaire. A mom or a husband. Whatever. You decide!”
I volunteer in political campaigns now and then. After a series of outings for Obama and a first mission as a phone banker for John McCain, I returned to McCain’s headquarters in Arlington, Va. The offer was too alluring to delay — they wanted to put me into action as a ghostwriter. Next to commercials and phone banking, writing letters to the editor is the most important method of the McCain campaign to attract voters. At least that is what’s written in the guidelines that McCain campaign worker Phil Tuchman presents to me.”
Your Point????
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony

Posted by: LeeLee07 | October 8, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

ACORN Offices raided in several states provided the FBI with ample evidence/proof of voter fraud.
Where are the headlines on this?
What does Obama have to say about this organization that he was intimately involved with?
More importantly, will the MSM find its journalistic integrity and interview/ask questions/press for answers of Obama on this matter – or are they going to ignore this like they do everything else concerning The Tainted One??
Jake, what say you????
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony

Posted by: LeeLee07 | October 8, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

Every time that dimwit Palin screeches more nastiness and hate at one of those rallies, more and more moderate and independent voters head into the Obama column.
So keep it up! You’re doing the Obama campaign’s work for them!
Today’s Gallup poll: Obama up by 11. ELEVEN.

Posted by: Lemmy | October 8, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

I think Obama has just a few days left to show his real birth certificate to the judge.
Don’t know why The Tainted One is having a problem with this – it was on the internet for all to see a few weeks ago.
Maybe he can get his Supporters to help him find it before it is too late. They can start looking at Factcheck dot org, I believe they had it last….. lolol.
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony

Posted by: LeeLee07 | October 8, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

Those use use inflammatory rhetoric so precipitously and cavalierly risk their own consumption by the resultant conflagration.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii | October 8, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

“Wow. You take a post from DailyKos and repeat it as if it happened to you.”
That was a quote from an article by a Dutch writer about the duplicity of the McCain campaign and her volunteer work for them.
I never claimed it happened to me though I do see that I forgot to add quote marks at the bottom.
Funny as I have posted that article many times here and today is the 1st you tried to attack it.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm

I can understand the “outrage” if Obama’s name was not Hussein, but if it is indeed his legal middle name and he finds it so offensive….why on earth did he not change it to something else? Just asking.If he is elected does he swear on the Bible his entire name as in Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Lyndon BAines Johnson, George Walker Herbert Bush, Richard Milhouse Nixon, William Jefferson Clinton..well you get what I mean.

Posted by: D'Lewis | October 8, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

Conservative columnist David Brooks just called Sarah Palin “a cancer on the Republican party” who’s not qualified to be President. Wonder if he’ll be receiving the same amount of right wing hate mail that fellow conservative Ms. Parker did after making similar suggestions in the Washington Post.
Think the Republicans should keep up the hate mongering, ugliness and “guilt by association” games. They’re not going over very well with independents in swing states.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 8, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

McCain has hired the same people that smeared him – and this is supposed to be a man who claims to have honor and integrity. McCain was investigated for his role in the Keating 5 scandal and could have been charged with influence peddling – Palin is under investigation by her own party in Alaska for abuse of power in her office. I could understand firing your ex-brother in law if he was a bad guy – but firing his boss? A man that had given 30 good years of service to law enforcement in Alaska? Shameful, selfish, someone who thinks only of herself. Palin is out on the campaign trail ensiting unstable people to shout hateful racist things about “killing Obama” – Palin is a disgrace to America. She is not qualified on so many levels that it is scary. Her ethics investigation, her husband’s political party and her lack of intellect all make her un-fit to even be Governor of Alaska let alone the Vice President of our beloved Country. I am old enough to have lived through the killing of John Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King – and believe me if something happens to Barack Obama – Americans will blame Palin and McCain!

Posted by: kate1149 | October 8, 2008, 6:28 pm 6:28 pm

When he was visiting Jacksonville, Florida before the Republican primary Mitt Romney somehow got into a playing of the song Who Let the Dogs Out. It appears that the song should be played at every McCain Palin rally for their crowds as it best describes the crowd’s vicious character.

Posted by: bhciapol | October 8, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

The office of AKORN that was raided today is in Nevada – Obama worked in Illinois and had nothing to do with this branch of a huge organization. Over zealous and misguided workers on both the Democratic and Republican campaigns take things too far in order to win. How many African Americans have been disinfranchised over the years in southern states by over-zealous election officials – plenty!

Posted by: Kate1149 | October 8, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

If he said John Sidney McCain would you be upset? Or Joseph Robinette Biden would that cause problems? Does saying the full name Sarah Louise Heath Palin make want to run to make a complaint?
Why would saying the full name of the Democratic Candidate, Barack Hussein Obama, cause a problem? It is his name, right?
Or are you concerned that he was adopted by his Indonesian step-father and his real name is Barack Hussein Soetero?

Posted by: Zank | October 8, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm

what about the words and language writen and spoken by the Obama cult people. They are vicious, nasty and partisan. They crucified Bill, Hillary Clinton, even Jesse Jackson
LOL

Posted by: Sarar_Hyde Park | October 8, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm

Remind me, how many press conferences has Sarah Palin held as a vice-presidential candidate?

Posted by: Reality-based | October 8, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm

I’m so tired of the name calling. There trying to bring up all the crap that we dealt with during the primaries. It’s not working anymore. It causes a frenzy at their campaign rallies, but drives a wedge between them and the undecided voters. And thankfully. I can’t imagine having this bunch in the White House. They’re acting like a bunch of idiots. Palin is a joke. McCain deserves to lose for picking the trash mouth. She’s so arrogant she thinks she can make up crap and stretch the truth. And using a person’s given name to inspire a hate filled message. How Christian of them.

Posted by: hannah | October 8, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

“The office of AKORN that was raided today is in Nevada – Obama worked in Illinois and had nothing to do with this branch of a huge organization. Over zealous and misguided workers on both the Democratic and Republican campaigns take things too far in order to win. How many African Americans have been disinfranchised over the years in southern states by over-zealous election officials – plenty!”
Excuses – yes, I do expect that Obama will offer them (like you) if asked about this issue.
Race card – he probably will raise that too. That way, he can distract us and he won’t have to answer any questions.
How come all of Obama’s associations are all radical? Hmmmmm.
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony

Posted by: LeeLee07 | October 8, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

You have to resort to this kind of campaign when you have no ideas. Can’t they see people don’t like negativity?

Posted by: J | October 8, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

Concerned,
ROFLMAO.
Its so amusing to be called a no integrity fraud by someone who lies here every single day. Someone who has admitted they post under other names when you get snagged by the spam filter.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

This isn’t about bloggers hate filled posts. Or people’s comments unrelated to the camp itself. This hateful message is being confirmed by Palin and now Cindy McCain by them taking center stage and smiling in agreement to this message.They foolishly believe that they are so superior to everyone else, that this message isn’t being heard not only here, but around the world. Hussein is a very popular name, like John. To insult millions of people around the world by using the name Hussein in such a way as to suggest that it’s bad, not good enough, or that all people named Hussein are muslims and all muslims are terrorists. It shows their ignorance and stupidity. And it certainly isn’t very presidential. What’s she going to do when she meets a foreign dignitary with the name Hussein?

Posted by: Miki | October 8, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm

Gosh, if Obama can’t take the heat, maybe he should get out of the kitchen.
Poor baby doesn’t want anyone to ask him any hard questions about his friends.
It seems that The Chosen One just wants to do all the preaching.
If Obama is scared of America, maybe he shouldn’t be President of America.
By the way, until Candidate Barack Obama came along, no candidate has ever demanded that we not use his middle name.
Obama keeps saying others want to make him seem different. No, he makes himself seem different. He should stand up and take pride in his name instead of cowering under the covers like some child having a temper tantrum.

Posted by: Jan | October 8, 2008, 7:03 pm 7:03 pm

For anybody to bring up Obama’s middle name in a negative context just shows how shallow some people are. Just because your middle name is Hussein does not make you a terrorist.

Posted by: J | October 8, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

Posted by: Jan | Oct 8, 2008 7:03:57 P
The associations have all been covered before. McCain has questionable associates as well. I don’t hear him volunteering any information.

Posted by: J | October 8, 2008, 7:13 pm 7:13 pm

What say I? I say that although none of these candidates are perfect, or have a squeaky clean record, for them to continue with the fear mongering and subtle xenophobia and race baiting is disturbing. If this is what you need to do to rile up your base, raise doubts about your opponent, and ultimately win the white house, what does it really say about you?
It says that you value personal ambition over integrity. It says that even though your political opponent smeared you with rumors and innuendo, you will swallow your pride and hire his team to win. It says that you don’t put country first, you put your ambition first. It says that at a time when this country is facing enormous obstacles, the smallness of your campaign eliminates you as the person qualified to lead us.

Posted by: TRW | October 8, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

And for all you who think Obama and Ayers are ‘friends’, please, show us all the family photos of the two vacationing together. How about all those Xmas parties together? Hanging out a U2 concerts? No, you mean, they didn’t hang out and pal around?
B-b-b-but that’s what Caribou Barbie said…

Posted by: Jason | October 8, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

They bring up Obama’s middle name in hopes of banking off the general ignorance of the ‘murican people.
Most muricans aren’t very well edumacated, let alone cultured. So invoking his middle name, they are trying to make it seem like, he’s one of THEM, icky, terrorismists or something like that.
And it works for the dumber parts of our country, which is about 25% of the entire population.
The average voter is just that, average intelligence.
Oh well, like it matters. A black man will be elected the next president of the USA, and the GOP will be thoroughly destroyed into 1000 pieces.
Maybe only then will the GOP fracture, and finally kick out the fundie morons for good. Let them start their own Jezuz Chrysler party, where they believe the earth is 6000 years old and that evolution is ‘only a theory’.

Posted by: Jason | October 8, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

That’s right, J! You hit the nail right on the head: Obama and the libs are just desperately making all this garbage up about conservatives trying to deliberately tie his middle name to Islamic spookiness. Hogwash! We use McCain’s middle name just as much as we say Obama’s! Heck, everyone knows that McCain’s middle name is….is….um…..okay, wait….

Posted by: David | October 8, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm

Obama is the culprit but the worship of the man by the intellectual upper class hides the conflagration on the horizon. The damming part is this fire set by Obama will burn past the election well into the first terms of whomever wins this race.
And that is going to make it very hard to govern. Given the problems we face and the low likelihood of them being resolved in the next two years, the midterms will tell the tale.
The Republicans will put together a formidable machine by then having observed what worked and having collected all the needed information on the players, both major and minor, in this campaign.
This kind of bitter butter campaigning was set in motion by Reagan’s first campaign and has only grown more intense with every subsequent election. Welcome to the four year campaign cycle that never ends with ever increasing extremism.
Study the Italian elections starting post war up into the 1970s for a picture of where this is leading.

Posted by: len | October 8, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

How smugly you ask why saying Barack Hussein Obama is a bad thing. You know why. Just like a poor child given the name Adolph might have some problems, being given the name Hussein by his white mother must have made it hard for him. Of course, the only people stupid enough to make fun of him are the GOP base–
If the best they can do is attempt to scare people by saying his exotic name , then so be it. Obviously Palin and McCain aren’t very intelligent. Why would they want to cause such fear and loathing? Does honor and dignity mean nothing to them anymore?
I am voting for Barack Hussein Obama. He is a great American and I am sad that some people are too blinded by ignorance to see that.

Posted by: Holly | October 8, 2008, 7:52 pm 7:52 pm

No, McCain and Palin do NOT fan these flames with their rhetoric. McCain falls all over himself not to appear racist and has consistently, as you pointed out, rushed to condemn anyone using Barry’s middle name. Which is kinda silly, but I agree in this case, the middle name was thrown in there purposely to take a shot, so I’m glad McCain made clear his disagreement with that move.
By the way, I notice in footage from campaign rallies on CNN and other places lately that the audiences in rallies for BOTH sides are starting to get more vocal and throw out inappropriate remarks. Much is made of folks shouting out stuff at Palin’s speech the other day, but I noticed today that someone at an Obama speech yelled, “You killed him” as soon as Obama said, “At the debate last night…” Obama did not chide the audience member for the language, which drew crazed cheers from the crowd and started up an “O-bam-a” chant. Both sides are getting fired up, and I hope people will be evenhanded in reporting on that.

Posted by: Moderate | October 8, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm

Biden would of picked Hillary for vp. Hussein Obama should of picked Hillary, but he picked Biden, and he would of never picked Palin, becous she is a women. And he dont want to offend his Muslim brothers and His muslim cousin Odinga in Kenya. So if Hussein Obama is president, All women will be left behind.

Posted by: Jan | October 8, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

“Biden would of picked Hillary for vp. Hussein Obama should of picked Hillary, but he picked Biden, and he would of never picked Palin, becous she is a women.”
The McCain ghostwriting teams must still be depending on English as a 2nd language folks
“You can be whoever you want to be,” says an inviting Phil Tuchman. “You can be a beggar or a millionaire. A mom or a husband. Whatever. You decide!”
I volunteer in political campaigns now and then. After a series of outings for Obama and a first mission as a phone banker for John McCain, I returned to McCain’s headquarters in Arlington, Va. The offer was too alluring to delay — they wanted to put me into action as a ghostwriter. Next to commercials and phone banking, writing letters to the editor is the most important method of the McCain campaign to attract voters. At least that is what’s written in the guidelines that McCain campaign worker Phil Tuchman presents to me.
Today he is training six ghostwriters. What on earth is the appeal of McCain for the former Soviet bloc? Last time I was here, an exuberant Polish guy was phone banking next to me. Today, a Russian in yellow suspenders is shimmering at the same table, looking just like an actor who is famous in the Netherlands for star turns as a genius who suppresses his dark side with painstaking self-control.
The assignment is simple: We are going to write letters to the editor and we are allowed to make up whatever we want — as long as it adds to the campaign. After today we are supposed to use our free moments at home to create a flow of fictional fan mail for McCain. “Your letters,” says Phil Tuchman, “will be sent to our campaign offices in battle states. Ohio. Pennsylvania. Virginia. New Hampshire. There we’ll place them in local newspapers.”

Posted by: Ryan C | October 8, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

What I have to say about the sleazeball tactics being employed by Team McCain can’t be printed in a family newspaper.

Posted by: Tom J | October 8, 2008, 9:29 pm 9:29 pm

As a Bethlehem native and Lehigh County resident, I can tell you the Obama campaign has blanketed the region with volunteers. Obama/Biden yard signs far outnumber McCain/Palin ones. I see no volunteer action from the McCain camp. Opportunists like Bill Platt may do all of the aspersion-casting they please, but they are becoming dinosaurs, and they know it.

Posted by: Ashamed in Lehigh County | October 8, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Boo hoo hoo Barack – the truth hurts. How about being a man and addressing the Ayres issue truthfully. At the same time, you might want to talk about the socialist organzation that endorsed you, at your request, during your first run for the Illinois Senate.

Posted by: Lynne | October 8, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

Why even question it? When McPalin and their surrogates keep making the same “mistakes” time after time…dog whistles, fear mongering and outright race baiting are the red meat for this campaign and its base crowds.

Posted by: Patrick in IL | October 9, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am

One more thing…I have noticed soooo many McCainiacs have been spelling Bill Ayers last name as “Ayres”…I wonder if an enterprising journalist might be curious as to just how much of an astro-turf campaign McCain is running? I mean there are just too many of these supposed regular people opposed to Obama who mis-spell Ayers last name. Where’s the origin? Or is it possible that so many McCain/Palin fans just don’t care about the correct spelling, pronunciation or proper usage of our language? (ex: Whining about how Obama says Pakistan or using “Democrat” Party instead of Democratic Party) Just curious.

Posted by: Patrick in IL | October 9, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am

How many Americans know that America derives from Americo Vespucci, the Florentine cartographer who proved that Columbus’s discovery in 1492 was not an extension on the Asian continent but an independent landmass called the 4th continent. E pluribus unum-America’s motto- means “Through many one.” Our numeral system was invented by Arab mathematicians. Every person in America including native Americas is the descendent of an immigrant. Obama’s middle name “Hussein” only becomes a flashpoint when presented to a select group that is threatened not by sticks and stones but the names they believe will hurt them.

Posted by: boredwell | October 9, 2008, 5:00 am 5:00 am

some are really anxious of an obama win but this could spell a disaster to the american country…a year before he could finished his term, america will be like a third world country and ahmadinejad will be in duet with chavez of singing bye bye american pie…LOL

Posted by: jon | October 9, 2008, 5:45 am 5:45 am

But Obama is classy? When he tells the San Fran elite that Pennsylvanian’s are bitter, gun clinging, racists .. that’s classy??? Then he comes to PA to suck up. That’s classy? I think NOT. People of PA, do not forget the remarks this man made about you. This is what he thinks of the people of Pennsylvania.
John McCain would never say such harsh remarks about American people. This is a good example of Obama’s judgement and what he thinks in his heart. He thinks he is above the working class. Don’t reward him with your votes.

Posted by: ml | October 9, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am

Patrick,
Who cares if some of us misspell Ayers? How do you spell patriot, surely not Ayers-Wright-Obama. Ayers, Wright and Obama, birds of a feather.

Posted by: Keepyourheelsdown | October 9, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

“Obama could learn a thing or two from John McCain about what it means to be a patriot”?!
We all have different ideas about what constitutes patriotism. One aspect of “patriotism” that most of us would agree on is our obligation to provide our soldiers the support that they need when they come home.
There is a genuinely creepy disconnect between John McCain’s misty-eyed sermonizing about his love of fellow veterans and his actual record on issues of importance to veterans. It’s about time he gets called out on it.
The Iraq and Afhganistan Veterans of America, a non-partisan group that tracks congresssional voting records on veterans’ issues, recently issued its ratings for the 2007-08 Congress.
The group gave McCain got a D. Obama and Biden received B’s. McCain said that he opposed Senator Webb’s GI bill because he felt it would prevent soldiers from re-enlisting. He didn’t even bother voting on the bill because he had to attend a San Diego fundraiser.
What a patriot! What a disconnect between rhertoric and reality. What a phony.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 9, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am

I am a young voter who fiscally and government wise would be moderately conservative. Which would give me reason to consider McCain as president. Then I saw photos of the RNC and it’s homogeneity as well as implicit disdain for Obama, not on policy but for who he is, reminded me of southern political “rallies” in the 60′s that covertly promoted hate. Now with the McCain/Palin campaign currently saying Obama is “dangerous” and “unpatriotic” is giving those who would vote for Obama based off issues but would not want to because he is of color, more of an unsubstantiated, untruthful reason to refuse to vote for him.
People who refuse to look at both candidates questionable ties and blindly focus on one are destined to keep our country in the past and it is in that past our country will fail.
If this youth, and others like me lose hope on this country, what else is there to hope for? If it turns out McCain wins because he played on people’s racial and cultural fears. America has lost and will lose for a long time to come.

Posted by: ummac | October 9, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

They are so focused on distracting the public, and hoping some of this mud sticks. They can keep saying Obama is dangerous as many times as they want, but when people see and listen to Obama a different picture emerges. A confident, smart man exhibiting leadership/

Posted by: billthomson | October 9, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Jake’s question was “how many of you know just what McCain offers that’s different from the status quo on the subject of the economy?”
Why is it that so many McCain/Palin supporters (who seem to be so up to date on the latest anti-Obma innuendo, slime and rumors) are unwilling or unable to offer a response to a question about their own candidate’s position and/or record on a specific issue?
Could have something to do with: “If we keep talking about the economic crisis, we’re going to lose.” McCain strategist to NY Daily News on 10/05/08.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 9, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Obama does have a lot of very interesting people in his background.
Rev. Wright
Fr. Pfleger
Bill Ayers
Tony Rezko
They couldn’t be brought up if Obama hadn’t put them there in the first place. Why doesn’t the Obama/Biden campaign want the voters to take a closer look at these associations? What are they trying to hide?

Posted by: marylou | October 9, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am

McCain/Palin saying “we do not condone” is very mild. Why not be totally clear and say “we condemn”?
Basically they’re saying “we do not condone,” and “we do not condemn”.

Posted by: Danny | October 9, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

SO when the chosen one is sworn in by the chief justice. Will the chief justice be allowed to utter Obambi’s middle name or will the chief justice be called a racist by the press? Maybe
Obambi should just go by one name like.
Prince, Cher, or Madonna, so that noone has to be accused of such things for uttering anything the press deems bad
about Obambi. Jake, you and your press buddy have created the most protected candidate in the history of the world. I can’t wait until the press starts to critisize Obambi – and you will. Who going to be there to point out your racist intent. Just rememeber, thye said these things about the Clintons too.
So, that’s Axelrods MO – And the willing press throws down to protect the candidate. This is going to be a long 4 years. The media is the weakest it has ever been. They have totally compromised themselves

Posted by: mots | October 9, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Smear tactics are only used by those who are losing and have nothing better to say.
Sad, but true.

Posted by: Suzanne | October 9, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

Well,
No one is considering it racist. But I find it extremely disgusting that McCain/Palin seemed to stress the Hussein in his name to incite fears over the whole Islamic radical Muslim thing-which is completely untrue just so that people will not dare to vote for Obama- not because of issues, but because he’s a “Islamic terrorist-sympathizer.”
Considering how McCain seemed to like the respnose of “terrorist” to his question of “Who is the real Barack Obama?”, I have to say they are now explicitly playing on this and questioning Obama’s patriotism.
McCain has the nerve to say “Country First or Obama First” is the choice on polling day. I did not like his insinuation that those who supported Obama were less-than patriotic.
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”-Samuel Johnson.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 9, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

Correction to the “no one is considering it racist, I meant:
(I mean, there ARE some who may see it that way, but in my opinion.)

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 9, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

“Why doesn’t the Obama/Biden campaign want the voters to take a closer look at these associations? What are they trying to hide?”

Posted by: Belle Starr | October 9, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Yes, ugly, racist mobs really do attract the kinds of independent voters that McCain needs in order to pull an upset. Good going, Team McCain!

Posted by: Howard, NY | October 9, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

obama’ middle name is what it is
and it means good,small handsome one in arabic.
we invaded iraq after 9/11
barack hussein obama had nothing to do with 9/11, just as saddam hussein had nothing to do with it.
bush and co. with the support of mccain
played the american people like a cheap fiddle on that one.
and unfortunately, some still believe iraq had something to do with 9/11
because bush and co. will still tell you so.

Posted by: omg | October 9, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

i don’t think obama/biden are trying to hide anything from the american voters.
i think they are trying to get the american voters to SEE, we need a change in the direction this country has gone over the last eight years,
and we cannot even chance that the next four could be a continuation.
not trying to hide from the voters,
just trying to get them to see.

Posted by: omg | October 9, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

I think the summary of this story is that you can find shady characters associated with anyone. McCain has some. Palin has some. Obama has some. None of this defines who they are, unless they have in some way shape or form given us a reason to believe that they support them. I don’t see that with Ayers. I don’t see that with Palin and the AIP. McCain knows this, and hence didn’t bring it up when sharing the stage with Obama.
I’d really like to see the McCain camp get on with telling us why to vote for them, rather than not to vote for the other guy. Obama is currently delivering a positive message.

Posted by: billthomson | October 9, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

bt,
you are correct,
it seem from this countries beginnings
if a person said they wanted to serve the country by running for a political office, from dog catcher on up.
shady people are just drawn to them like magnets.
none are clean.
and when will mccain and co. realize they are running out of time to tell us what they are going to do for the country?
i think they know what most of us know already, they have no message, so they have decided to go out in a big way,
by taking the low road.

Posted by: omg | October 9, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Obama’s ties to terrorist Ayers are of course relevant. If the relationship would have been properly reported when it first broke, we would not be talking about it now because this race would be between Hillary and McCain.

Posted by: jillyus | October 9, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

Calling Barack by his middle name is no more obscene than William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, or “W”. It’s no more offensive than Joe Six-pack being called “Joe” in Europe, the Middle East, or Asia. Barack should be proud of his roots. Joe Six-pack is.

Posted by: Rich Ng | October 9, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

billthomson wrote: “They can keep saying Obama is dangerous as many times as they want, but when people see and listen to Obama a different picture emerges. A confident, smart man exhibiting leadership.”
That reminds me of another young man back in Germany in the 1930s.
Sen. Obama had a mentor and a father-figure back in 1975-1979. This man was Frank Marshall Davis. He was an agitator and a recruiter for the Communist Party USA. Sen. Obama a number of years later studied under the principles of Saul Alinsky, another communist. And Sen. Obama used these principles as he worked for ACORN. Later he was actually the legal council for ACORN. ACORN has a strong socialist agenda. We all know about Sen. Obama’s 20-year pastor and mentor (and “uncle”-figure), Black Liberation theologist, the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. And then there is Sen. Obama’s association with Bill Ayers, who to this day still holds anti-America and anti-Capitalism views.
My own opinion is that it is impossible to be indoctrinated with pro-communist, anti-America and anti-Capitalism views for decades and NOT hold some of these views. My own opinion is that is is extremely unlikely that someone with PRO-America and PRO-Capitalism beliefs would associate with so many people who oppose those beliefs–and not know about it.

Posted by: James Danley | October 9, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

“Calling Barack by his middle name is no more obscene than William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, or “W”. ”
You’re joking, right? In each of those cases, the person you’re mentioning used his middle name. The person who started calling Bush ‘W’ was in fact W. People calling Obama ‘Hussein’ are trying to imply a connection to a different Hussein, and this is part of the message of hate coming from the right.

Posted by: billthomson | October 9, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Apparently M/P have decided that, like most of the corporations we’ve seen implode over the last decade, to take the easy way out. Don’t actually buckle down and come up with meaningful, substantive policies that actually address what’s going on today. Just whip up the faithful and any other wingnut. Make some noise! Contradict yourself! Cast aspersions on your competitor! That’ll get the voters! With nothing left to lose, M/P are trying to make the craft lighter by throwing out the engine. Good thing the american people are smart enough to read the lettering on the side that says “Hindenberg”.

Posted by: Jay In Dallas | October 9, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm

Inspired by the rumors that I have read in the comments…. I have read up on a number of supposedly scandalous connections that Obama has.
All the evidence is based on some kernel of fact… like person A was a member of a group with person B… but then launches into the obscene innuendo and speculation characteristic of conspiracy theory.
No wonder McCain rallies are turning violent… he’s got everyone whipped into a paranoid frenzy.
What a sad note for McCain to end his career on.

Posted by: Blip | October 9, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

Blip, you want a conspiracy theory? What if the Democrats INTENTIONALLY sabotaged our economy for political gain. If they didn’t plan this from the very outset (pushing the subprime flexible mortgage rates on those who could not afford to pay the mortgages even before the skyrocketting mortgage payments; knowing that eventually the housing market would turn south causing chaos and a crisis), they certainly intentionally ignored the numerous warnings.
And if you look back over the past several years, even when the economy was booming the Democrats (and the mainstream media) continued to portray our economy as failing. Sure looks like they were hoping for an economic crisis. And now you want to reward them by giving them the keys to the White House?

Posted by: James Danley | October 9, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

we don’t need a conspiracy theory?
bush and his inept crew let this economy get into this mess.
why try to skip all around the house looking for answers, when it is sitting right in front of you.
bush and 9/11
the war in iraq-rummy, you are doing a good job
katrina-brownie, you are doing a good job
and now the economy.-paulie, you are doing a good job.
and mccain has been there every misstep of the way. talking him up, supporting him.
no my firends, we cannot even chance, we might get more of the bush doc.

Posted by: omg | October 9, 2008, 2:59 pm 2:59 pm

“over the past several years, even when the economy was booming”
Booming for whom?
Wages went down.
Job losses went up.
The dollar plummeted.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

What Platt said is free speech. It is a legal name. Get over it. Trying to twist it into another “race card” play by the water carriers in the press is a joke.
What really has the medias knickers twisted is that despite all their efforts to endorse Barry, the American voter still has the right to vote, at least in this election cycle.
Some of us see Barry for what he is, a Marxist with the backing of the Committees for Correspondence for Democracy and Socialism (CCDS),
Democratic Socialists of America (DSA),
Communist Party USA (CPUSA), and other socialist endorsements.
The media spin cycle is actually going to cause Barry to lose the election in spite of their efforts.

Posted by: CrystalD | October 9, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

McCain has alot of “connections” in his past too
G. Gordon Liddy-felon
Charlie Keating-felon
Kemper Marley (google that one)

Posted by: tinat | October 9, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

omg, nice try but you are totally wrong. It was President Bush’s domestic policy that got us through all of the hits to our economy leading up to this current crisis. And it was the Bush Administration AND GOP senators (including Sen. McCain) who warned Congress about the abuses of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003, 2005 and again in 2006 to no avail.

Posted by: James Danley | October 9, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

For twelve long months I have been looking into and researching the real questions of judgment, character and experience of Barack Obama. He is a very flawed man and does not deserve the respect and vote of confidence of the American people.
McCain/Palin—Country First
Obama/Biden—Socialism First and then the terrorists, criminals, racists and hate mongers. Traditional America values last.

Posted by: Marla | October 9, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

“It was President Bush’s domestic policy that got us through all of the hits to our economy leading up to this current crisis.”
Huge budget deficits and paying for his war based on lies?
Oh not to mention the economy first went into the tank because Bush failed to protect us on 9/11.
“And it was the Bush Administration AND GOP senators (including Sen. McCain) who warned Congress about the abuses of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003, 2005 and again in 2006 to no avail”
Warned Congress? The Republicans controlled Congress.
If they wanted to hammer a bill thru they had no problem with it.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm

Ryan C. we had a booming economy between September 2003 and December 2007. There was 52 consecutive months of job growth–5 million new jobs. Unemployment averaged 5.0% during that time.
GDP was up 7.2% in the 3rd Quarter of 2003 and up 4.0% in the 4th Quarter of 2003; Then up 3.1% for all of 2004; up 4.4% for all of 2005; up 3.2% for all of 2006 and up 3.2% for all of 2007. Even in the first two Quarters of 2008 we were up 0.9% and 2.8%.

Posted by: James Danley | October 9, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

I am absolutely sick of you radical conservatives spreading your lies and hate about Obama. This is all you have left, after destroying the world opinion of the U.S., devastating our economy and mortgaging the future of our children. If all you have are lies and hate, please leave the rest of us to rebuilding America.

Posted by: Joe | October 9, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

Ryan, the Invasion of Iraq was not based on lies. After 12 years of diplomatically trying to persuade Saddam Hussein to comply with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, President Bush rescinded the cease fire and resumed the 1991 Gulf War.

Posted by: James Danley | October 9, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

I am calling it at 4:19 PM. McCain has officially become Bush.

Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

Question. Isn’t it a crime in some states to incite murder? Does what the McCain camp is doing fall under slander? Obama spent 2 years answering questions (Ayers was the first of those). Who is Palin to claim America doesn’t know Barack? We’ve only known her for 5 weeks.

Posted by: MM | October 9, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

The best thing I ever did was rip up my Republican Party resgitration card 8 years ago when GWB’s head first popped out of the rathole he was living in.
Now we have the same band of fools trying the same recipe of ‘if all else fails, go for the knee caps’ strategy. What really scares me is that the republican leadership is facilitating this behavior thru the likes of this creten Bill Platt..

Posted by: mikem | October 9, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

Joe, it is NOT A LIE that Sen. Obama was mentored by Frank Marshall Davis–a communist–from 1975-1979.
It is NOT A LIE that Sen. Obama studied the principles of Saul Alinksy–a communist.
It is NOT A LIE that Sen. Obama was mentored by his 20-year pastor, The Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr–a Black Liberation theologist.
It is NOT A LIE that Sen. Obama associated with Bill Ayers–a socialist, who preaches anti-America and anti-Capitalism dogma.
IT IS NOT A LIE that Sen. Obama is a socialist!

Posted by: James Danley | October 9, 2008, 4:25 pm 4:25 pm

ANYONE who excuses these personal attacks and hate-filled rhetoric cannot call themselves patriotic Americans.
All I hear from the right side of the peanut gallery are personal slights against Barack Obama, and nary a positive vote of confidence in John McCain or Sarah Palin.
So, obviously, a vote for McCain is really more of a vote against Obama. And there is nothing in his past, present or future to call for this kind of hate or fear, except the color of his skin.

Posted by: Wendy | October 9, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm

“Ryan, the Invasion of Iraq was not based on lies. After 12 years of diplomatically trying to persuade Saddam Hussein to comply with the conditions of the 1991 cease fire, President Bush rescinded the cease fire and resumed the 1991 Gulf War.”
James,
Was the end of the cease fire what Americans were told was necessary?
I did not question the legality of the war. Any war can be made “legal”. In fact that was an obsession of Hitler’s that his wars be legal. That;s why he had German teams do a false flag operation and blamed on the Poles. Its why he declared war on the US immediately after Pearl Harbor.
The question is not the “legality” it is how the War was sold to the American public.
The many lies that Saddam had stockpiles of WMD(take your pick from the Niger yellowcake forgery to nukes in 45 mins to Powell and his vial at the UN).
The lie that Saddam was a threat.
The lie that Saddam was tied to 9/11.
And what happened when one of their lies was exposed before the war?
Why the criminals in the Bush admin decided they would retaliate by exposing an undercover CIA agent whose job was defending us against black market nukes.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

LOL, love how Danley cherry picks the months to “prove” that Bush had a booming economy when historically the jobs added were far below normal!

Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

I am not cherry picking. President Bush inherited a recession which lasted right up to the 9/11 attacks. Then it took almost two years to recover from the 9/11 attacks and the corporate scandals of 2002. It was President Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts that got the economy back on track. Then it was the downturn in the housing market, the subprime mortgage crisis and the skyrocketing energy prices that slowed things down towards the end of 2007. But in spite of this triple whammy hit to our economy, we had GDP growth of 0.9% and 2.8% in the first two quarters of 2008. But then the millions of foreclosures caused the economy to nosedive since.
Incidentally in case you missed it HUD came out with a report today that as many as 5 million illegal immigrants took out fraudulent mortgages. When you figure there are supposed to be only 11 million illegal immigrants in the US, that is an astonishing percentage (45%) of illegal immigrants owning homes!

Posted by: James Danley | October 9, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

re: “Calling Barack by his middle name is no more obscene than William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, or “W”. ”
You’re joking, right? In each of those cases, the person you’re mentioning used his middle name. The person who started calling Bush ‘W’ was in fact W
- – -
Oh, I got it now. Before we can call a person by his name, we have to ask them if we can call them by their name. Kind of like a Presidential litmus test: “Excuse me [presidential nominee Joe six-pack], your name is Joseph David Jones, which some may find offensive because it is too WASPY, not to mention the names are rooted in Biblical characters, can we call you your name or would that be out of bounds?

Posted by: Rich Ng | October 9, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

WHERE WILL THE MEDIA AND EVEN MCCAIN SUPPORTERS DRAW THE LINE?
Today, Frank Keating, McCain’s campaign co-chair, referred to Obama as a ‘guy of the street’ on Dennis Miller’s radio show.
And Politico.com reports that Sarah Palin stated that Obama would:
diminish “the PRESTIGE of the United States presidency. What does it say when Barack Obama says he would sit down unconditionally with Ahmadinejad, Kim Jong Il and others, unconditionally, and I guess sort of hand over some of the prestige of the United States presidency and validate, I think validate, some of the positions that these dictators have taken.”
It seems that McCain and Palin should stop referring to General McKiernan and Patraeus as heroes because they are receptive to the idea of negotiating with Taliban if it can diminish violence in Afghanistan. Is McCain prepared to accuse them of wanting to ‘pal around with terrorists’?

Posted by: Eve | October 9, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm

“President Bush inherited a recession which lasted right up to the 9/11 attacks”
Inherited? Recession started on his watch. So concerned by this recession Bush took off the month of August. Then we got hit on 9/11.
Imagine if we had a President who knew what they were doing and was actually doing his job.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

It’s ugly on both sides. It wouldn’t have been this way if-(1) Hillary were the nominee because it’d be a landslide by now for HRC; or (2) Obama was properly vetted from the beginning, instead of being protected by the press with an impenetrable shell-he’s not quite the “hope” or “change” that was being pushed down our throats, or (3) Obama did the 10 townhall debates with McCain that he originally agreed to because all the stuff would have come out then.

Posted by: jillyus | October 9, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm

MM:Palin is not running for the presidency, Obama is. And if you didn’t live in Chicago in 1968, I did. And I know about the Weathermen and The Chicago 7. Ayers was a dangerous terrorist along with his wife Bernadine. He didn’t care that he bombed the Pentagon and other government buildings killing about 3 people. Went underground for several years and came out of hiding only to be caught. The judge let him go because of wiretapping. Ayers said he didn’t do enough and should have done more. He should be been run out of this country. And Obama is a personal close friend of his and Ayers gave him donations for his senate campaign. They were also involved in Acorn together. I do not have respect for anyone who has ties to an anti-american terrorist who would bomb the country he lives in.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 9, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

Wendy: Yes, a vote for McCain is a vote against Obama. If your republican why wouldn’t you vote for McCain. It has nothing to do with race. It is the fact that people believe that McCain can run the country better than Obama. If your democrat vote for Obama. I was a democrat all my life but switched this year to vote republican. The majority of the people in this country think Obama is going to do all he says. Well, they can be fooled but I am not. Obama is in this race to make history first. He read so many books on MLK and wants to walk in his shoes. There is one problem, MLK was intelligent.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 9, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm

Ryan C:
1. Just read the 2002 Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq for the reasons for going to war.
2. Now as for the stockpiles of WMDs, it is true that no WMDs were found. However, in July of this year 550 METRIC TONS of yellowcake uranium that had been stored in Iraq was transferred out of Iraq (at Iraq’s request) and sold to Canada. For a county that does not produce uranium and had no nuclear program, that is a lot of yellowcake uranium being stored.
3. The Bush Administration may have said Saddam Hussein was a threat, but so did the Clinton Administration and numerous Democrats between 1998 and 2002. In fact, several Democrats used the phrase “imminent” threat. Sen. David Rockefeller actually said in 1998 that Iraq would have a nuclear weapon “in five years.” Had he been accurate that would have meant they would have had a nuclear bomb in 2003. And Congress passed the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, and it was signed by President Clinton–because Saddam Hussein was a threat and “had WMDs.”
In addition, Saddam Hussein did support terrorists. He paid over $10 million to the families (up to $25,000 per family) of Palestinian suicide bombers. He even had his own terror training camps in Iraq. AND al Qaeda DID HAVE a training camp at least 6 months prior to the invasion in northern Iraq.
4. The Bush Administration NEVER said that Saddam Hussein was tied to 9/11. They did, however, say that there were meetings between Iraqi officials and al Qaeda. And the 9/11 Commission acknowledged that there were meetings but also said that “they do not appear to have resulted in a collaborative relationship.”
5. Now as for Valerie Wilson, her husband’s, Joseph Wilson’s, biography in Who’s Who actually stated that he married the “former Valerie Plame” long before Robert Novak’s column was written.
6. As for Joseph Wilson, a July 2004 Senate intelligence committee report concluded that it was Joseph Wilson who lied. First that, contrary to his own statements, it was in fact his wife that got him the assignment to go to Niger. Secondly, while he said that those infamous 16 words stated by President Bush was a lie, HE actually told the CIA that there was a meeting between an Iraqi minister and an official of Niger seeking to renew a trade agreement . This sent alarms in the CIA because there could only be one resource that Niger had that Iraq could possibly want. And that was yellowcake uranium.
Furthermore while there was a forged document, that document was not part of the evidence that British Intelligence used to determine that Iraq was seeking yellowcake uranium from Niger. And even French Intellegence reported an Iraqi attempt to purchase uranium from Niger.
7. Now as for the 2000-01 recession, it began in the 3rd quarter of 2000. Or don’t you recall the dot.com bubble burst in 2000? So YES he did inherit a recession. And it was the 2001 Bush tax cuts that made what could have been a deep recession into a very mild and short recession. Unfortunately just as the economy was turning around we had the attacks of 9/11.

Posted by: James Danley | October 9, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

It is laughable the way posters use the term “socialist” to paint a negative picture of Obama when the US government has a nice, well-established socialist program for the corporate sector.
The profits of the free market are privatized and go to the corporations, many of whom receive tax breaks as well.
What many seem to either not know or choose to ignore is that you and I, the taxpayers, shoulder the risk and the misconduct of corporate giants such as those involved in the savings and loan scandals of the 80′s and the current financial, lending and insurance morass. Ladies and Gentlemen, we ALREADY have socialism in the U.S., but of course, like the rest of our government, it only works for those with money and power.

Posted by: WVindy | October 9, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

What’s un-American about the middle name “Hussein”? Just asking….

Posted by: DameAlys | October 10, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

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