An Unoriginal Question About William Ayers

Jack Tapper is really on overload tonight

Steve Chapman also wrote this…in the Chicago Tribune about John McCain & G. GORDON LIDDY.
What McCain didn’t mention is that he has his own Bill Ayers — in the form of G. Gordon Liddy. Now a conservative radio talk-show host, Liddy spent more than 4 years in prison for his role in the 1972 Watergate burglary. That was just one element of what Liddy did, and proposed to do, in a secret White House effort to subvert the Constitution. Far from repudiating him, McCain has embraced him.
How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy’s home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator’s campaigns — including $1,000 this year.
Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as “an old friend,” and McCain sounded like one. “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family,” he gushed. “It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”

Jake-
You forgot to add the part where the candidate has lied several times about his relationship with the bomber.
When he has said “We were friendly because our kids went to school together”, which was not true.
Or when the candidate said the bomber was ‘just a guy in his neighborhood’ or there was no ‘evidence’ they had a relationship.
And where the records about one of the boards they’d served on were sealed by a supporter the minute a reporter started snooping around.
And that emails went out from the campaign to bombard a radio station with phone calls when reporters discussing the relationship were scheduled to be on.
I think the press would have looked more deeply into the relationship that the candidate was so obviously trying to hide.
If it were McCain, that is.
The reason this is happening now is because no mainstream reporters chose to look into it earlier.

Your analogy is a little off. You have to imagine that the former bomber-McCain associate is now the author of 15 books on an important, unrelated subject–maybe health care policy. And you have to add that the former bomber has been given huge grants by major foundations. You also have to add that he’s generally accepted and respected in mainstream circles. You shouldn’t say he’s a professor at a Christian school, but at a large, public university.
In short, if you construct your analogy with more care, the answer is that nobody would attach much importance to the association…. particularly considering that little Johnny was just 8 when the clinic bombings took place.

Jake – I want to communicate to you my real worry of where this whole election might be heading.
I hope I am just exaggerating but I must say I am beginning to sense some real danger in the McCain camp’s increasingly ferocious attempts to smear Obama. It’s the danger of violence or, more precisely, assassination attempts. I am not sure if the McCain folks realize that racism is still alive and well in this country and it’s extremely dangerous to stir up those sentiments. They will be really sorry if they see blood on their hands.

Most fascinating campaign of my lifetime, a “big issues” campaign, and Tapper wants to play “What If?”
Well, in the terminology of a famous old SNL skit, “what if Spartacus had a Piper Cub?”
This should really be filed under “Department of Really Stupid Hypotheticals That Nobody Cares About.At.All.”

Jake
Of course people would attack McCain for that. People will attack the opposition candidate for anything, even if they have to make it up. The point is, would the voters care any more than they do now?

Chris – it won’t be anything that hasn’t already been brought up before .. surely don’t need a reporter telling you what you already know to develop an opinion on someone!!

McCain? Is he still in the race then?
You mean the McCain who one month AFTER the Al Qaeda bombings of American Embassies overseas said:
“Is this guy Laden really the bad guy that’s depicted?”
Nooo… I can’t believe such a total fool is STILL running for President.

Seven houses!
Eleven cars!
Hundred millions valued family business!
No wonder is time for McCain to turn the page on the economic crisis!
Sleazy McCain you done it again!

Also missing from the analogy- the bomber and the candidate worked together on a board to use educational funds to promote their vision of social justice.
So the abortion clinic bomber and the candidate would have been using educational funds to teach public school children that abortion is wrong. How would the press treat that?

Jake, I get the feeling that you are fishing for something. What is it? This William Ayers situation has been regurgitated over and over again. It’s a non-news item. Only the Republicans have any interest in keeping this stuff alive. You forget we have been through almost two year primary. I believe it could only affect a small number of people at this point. It’s like trying hold back water from a broken dam. You can only hold it back for so long before the water will come crashing through. Obama will win and he will win in a land slide. This is not an ordinary election. It’s a change election and Obama is a change candidate. People are looking for something different and he is it. So, people could talk about Ayers, Rev. Wright, and other non-issue things if they want but I believe at this late date, the race is over. McCain/Palin ticket will lose in November. I approve this message.

Actually, McCain has sat on quite a few boards with despicable people. Do you really want us to go there? We are not responsible for the actions of everyone we have ever sat on a board with.

Politely please…come on Jake, that isn’t gonna happen and you know it. LOL I will say it again, if it were just one unfortunate association, I think it would be forgiveable, but where Obama is concerned it isn’t just Ayers. There is a LONG list of questionable associations. It’s just that the msm is choosing not to cover it. A man doesn’t have to be guilty by association, unless you repeatedly make the same associations. As it happens Obama has way to many. As for if it were McCain…PLEASE the media and the dems would be all over it, regardless of what the polls said.

As an Obama supporter I don’t think there’s anything wrong with bringing his association to Ayers. But the notion Obama can’t do the same with the Keating Five scandal is laughable.
McCain’s losing ground and it’s predictable he would resort to this form of attacks. The question is… will it work?
Learning from history. It didn’t work for Hillary. Once Obama gains a big shift in the polls it’s unlikely to disappear.

“And what if Obama started attacking McCain about this guy.
How would it look to you?”
Obama WOULDN’T do that. Period. There’d be no need to, considering the devastating Bush agenda McCain has fot this country, chockful of talking points.

Of course it is a valid attack, and the only reasons Obama has been immune to it is:
1) The media is biased toward Obama
2) anyone bringing it up would be accused of racism.
Thank God for McCain and Palin for having the courage to speak the truth, to save America from this Dangerous Obama. Now the media can’t help but bring attention to the truth.
It’s not just the crime, but the cover up…why has Obama lied repeatedly about this relationship?
Obama wants to pick on keating, which is just so STUPID of him, but LOL, go right ahead. McCain was exonerated, and even Bennett, the DEMOCRAT lawyer who worked ono the case, wrote in his book that mcCain should not have been included in the case. Who was deemed guilty? The other 4 DEMOCRATS, one of which is John Glenn, who just introduced Obama to Springsteen!
Obama….liar and hypocrite!
I ask again: how many times in your life have you known a terrorists who was involved in the murder of innocent people? And if you can use sound judgement to avoid such people, would you not expect the same of your President?
How can you possibly support Obama? I just don’t get it. How do you defend yourself for this?

Well, Jake, how about the media and the Obama campaign ignoring G. Gordon Liddy’s association with McCain and his campaign contributions? He has not been mentioned by the Obama campaign. You see, they had been trying to run on the issues…. They are those things that affect a large number of Americans. If McCain wanted to run on those I wouldn’t have to post the following:
Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled “John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07″ includes a discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an “old friend.” During the segment, McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was “proud” of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”

Obama should have stepped up to the plate when he was 8 years old and put a stop to Bill Ayers anti Vietnam protests!

“Ayers wasn’t introducing himself to his neighbors and co-workers as a former domestic terrorist. Give me a break. It had been decades since Ayers wasn’t involved with Weather Underground.”
The brilliant Obama with his radical far-left roots, had no idea who Ayers was and what he did? You’d better believe he knew who he was and he still sought out his guidance to launch his political career.

Obama HAS already talked abour knowing Ayers, hasn’t he?
Obama has gone at great lengths discussing Wright and his church, hasn’t he?
What more could one expect? And that’s recycling the attacks won’t work for McCain.
Obama is TOUGH AND SINCERE, as Bill O’Reilly put it. McCain has of no chance of winning a fight against a man like Obama, for McCain is an opportunist gambler who cannot be trusted.

In fact, John McCain has a history of supporting terrorism: the Contras. They were a terrorist group who attacked and murdered civilians in Nicaragua in the 1980s. McCain (like a lot of Republicans) supported them. But McCain went a bit further than most – he made donations to them. That’s right, John McCain personally contributed to terrorists who bombed and attacked civilian men, women and children.
Yet no one talks about it or questions him about it. Seems much worse, funding terror, than simply knowing or working with a guy a guy who decades earlier had done something despicable.

Whoops…
wrong stuff on the Kremlin connections..
Yet despite McCain’s tough talk, behind the scenes his top advisers have cultivated deep ties with Russia’s oligarchy–indeed, they have promoted the Kremlin’s geopolitical and economic interests, as well as some of its most unsavory business figures, through greedy cynicism and geopolitical stupor. The most notable example is the tale of how McCain and his campaign manager, Rick Davis, advanced what became a key victory for the Kremlin: gaining control over the small but strategically important country of Montenegro.
According to two former senior US diplomats who served in the Balkans, Davis and his lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, received several million dollars to help run Montenegro’s independence referendum campaign of 2006. The terms of the agreement were never disclosed to the public, but top Montenegrin officials told the US diplomats that Davis’s work was underwritten by powerful Russian business interests connected to the Kremlin and operating in Montenegro. Neither Davis nor the McCain campaign responded to repeated requests for comment. (Davis’s extensive lobbying work, especially on behalf of collapsed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, has already attracted critical media scrutiny.)

The “what ifs” would not fit because with Obama there is so many other things that make one question his history….his association with his pastor, Rezko, being born to a father who was muslim etc etc. These things add weight to the history of this canddidate so if Mac had an association like the one jake described it would not hold the same weight unless the other variables were included…so this is not hitting the mark.
Obama is going to go through the ReubliAmerica sees what is behind these attacks and we don’t end op with another 4 years of idiocracy….not that Mac Cain is anothr Bush becuase he is not…but Gov Pallin is a big fish from a small pond and she will not make it in the big pond…and never, ever as a POTUS

“Obama HAS already talked abour knowing Ayers, hasn’t he?’
He orginally said that he “was some guy from the neighborhood”. Why did he feel the need to lie about his relationship with Ayers?

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I don’t like this sentence:
“What if McCain had launched his political career in the living room of a former abortion clinic bomber.”
That Obama “launched his political career” in Ayers’ house is a distortion of facts to make the story fit the Republican narrative.
It was Obama’s predecessor in the Illinois State Senate who knew Ayers and invited Obama over to his house to introduce him to the Hyde Park circle. To say that Obama launched his political carreer in that room is dishonest.
The Ayers story as told by the Republicans is full of these small exagerations. Without them, there is no story.

Jake, how about covering the Berg trial? The attorney for Obama is filing a petition to suspend discovery pending the disposition of the motion to dismiss. Gee, I wonder what Obama could be hiding? Could it be that doesn’t have a legitimate birth certificate?

“Sen. Obama has accused me of opposing regulation to avert this crisis. I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often enough it will be believed.”
So what is the “attack hag” doing then?

“”And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, ‘launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,’” she continued.

At war the first casualty is the truth. At this electoral race the truth has been killed by McCain/Palin and the Republicans

As other posters said, Obama did not “launch” his campaign at Ayer’s house.
The event was for Alice Palmer’s announcement that she would run for Congress. Obama was invited there by Palmer. He was going to be Palmer’s endorsed successor for her Senate seat. He didn’t choose to have the event at Ayer’s house.

I think the real issue is that if McCain wants to be forgiven for his mistakes during the Keating 5 scandal and claim that he learned from them and became a reformer then he needs to allow for the same of Ayers. In the 1960′s William Ayers did something that were quite simply wrong, but since then he has become a leader for education reform in Chicago and a respected professor.
McCain can’t ask to be treated one way, and not expect the same treatment for someone else. People do learn and grow from their mistakes, but it is how you lead the rest of your life that is important.

If McCain was supported by a guy who bombed abortion clinics the far right would be CERTAIN to vote McCain.

Karen,
Did I refer to dopes at rallies making death threats???? Take a breath and read my post again. The truth about O and Ayres is relevant and it’s great to finally be coming out so people can make an informed decision. End of subject.

“If McCain was supported by a guy who bombed abortion clinics the far right would be CERTAIN to vote McCain.”
As the far-left are supporting Obama, and applaud Ayers as a true American hero. Warped.

Ayres in an NY Times article on September 11, 2001 said he had no regrets about the bombings.
Obama still continued his relationship with Ayres.
Obama still continued to e-mail him for years until the presidential campaign.
Obama went to a party with his wife for Ayres.
His relationship was bad enough with ayres but when Ayres said he didn’t regret the bombings at all and for Obama to still keep up the relationship with him is beyond beleif.
But Obama is teflon and the media comes to his defense and treats him with kid gloves.
Obama the most media protected candidate ever.

Obama/Ayers
Why do you dislike Hawaiians? That is unamerican.

El_Pajaro : It was Obama’s predecessor in the Illinois State Senate who knew Ayers and invited Obama over to his house to introduce him to the Hyde Park circle. To say that Obama launched his political carreer in that room is dishonest.

the problem is that the abortion bomber is not hypothetical. McCain voted down legislation thjat specifically addressed those that bomb abortion clincs assault docotors and patients at said clincs and those that sought to avoid responsibility for thier illegal acts by declaring bankruptcy instead of paying fines. McCain is an unrepentant supporter of domestic terrorism as long as it supports his position.

Hey Jake!
Rev. Wright is a radical liberal anti American.
William Ayers is a radical liberal anti American.
Father Flager is a radical liberal anti American.
Rashid Khalidi is a radical liberal anti American.
Khalid al-Mansour is a radical liberal anti American.
Birds of a feather, flock together! or is that chickens coming home to roost?
It’s no wonder obama and his wife don’t think that there is anything wrong with these characters, they are just like them.
Jake, the media never fully vetted all of these radical liberal anti American connections because they are cowards. You don’t have a shred of objectivity if you don’t investigate this now. The media sent hundreds of people to Alaska but not one to Chicago.
Jake your credibility and fairness is on life support.

Obama said that subprime loans were a good thing.
Obama worked for ACORN to pressure banks to give bad loans to minority homeowners.
Obama defended fannie mae’s harold raines.
In 2004 all the dems defended fannie mae at a hearing because of harold raines.
Obama also defended jim johnson who took a 25 million dollar golden parachute.
Jim Johnson is still on the Obama campaign giving breifings.
Jim Johnson used abuses practices at countrywide and Obama still keeps him on his campaign.
Hillary should be the nominee but she was cheated by the media and the left wing superdelegates.

I think its funny that this is a non-issue for so many Obama supporters. Obama had to get involved with Rezko and Ayers and Wright if he were ever going to get the support to run for office in Chicago. I grew up in Chicago and know how the city works…it is a joke. I can’t believe that posters here would think that there is no connection between Obama and Ayers. Are newspaper articles from 11 years ago made up by the GOP? How deep does this conspiracy go? Obama himself argued with Hillary when she brought up ayers saying didn’t your husband pardon Ayers friends.
If i were entering politics i would think that i would want to stay away from someone who had an admitted hand in bombing the capital whether it was last year or 50 years ago. I guess thats why i could never run for office.
Obama sat back and watched his fellow democrats block bills to be brought up for oversight on Fannie/Freddie. Then hires Jim Johnson a former CEO of Fannie Mae who made millions to help him find a good running mate. But you Obama supporters have no problem with that. Am i making this up or spinning it? No. Look up Jim Johnson on whatever site you want the answer is always the same. Look up his connection with Obama and you will see he stopped working on the campaign because of his scandal with Countrywide. Is this another GOP conspiracy. No, its another Obama fact that sets a tone for what Barry stands for.

Jock666,
“Ayers hosted an event for Alice Palmer in his living room.
Alice Palmer invited Obama.”
THE TRUTH:
In the mid-1990s, Ayers and Dohrn hosted a meet-and-greet at their house to introduce Obama to their neighbors during his first run for the Illinois Senate.
Obama stabbed Alice Palmer in the back and took her senate seat because Ayers told him too. Now he is friends with Ayers
“Today, Ayers and his wife — fellow former Weather Underground fugitive Bernardine Dohrn — live in Hyde Park neighborhood of Chicago” (A BLOCK AWAY FROM BARACK OBAMA. YES THE HOUSE THAT OBAMA BOUGHT FROM REZKO IS A BLOCK AWAY FROM AYERS)
I’ve worked to put myself through college. Did volunteer work and everything else to bolster my resume to get into grad school but have gotten turned down by many of my first choices. And here we have Ayres and Dohrn with their resume getting Ph.Ds and Law Degrees and getting hired as Professors.
Crazy me, I thought helping the disadvantage over bombing police stations would be viewed favorably to the admissions committees.

McCain likes to talk about the house he didn’t own … the Hanoi Hilton.
Hmmm. Visitors were Communists sympathizers whose intent was taking down America.
So now what? McCain’s a Communist?

John McCain and Sarah Palin want to be elected like Republicans but they are trying to avoid discussing issues critical for the American families. And portraying themselves like reformers because they are embarrassed of the last 8 years of the Republicans –Bush Administration Americans want answers to they problems they want better healthcare they want better pay they don’t want just change because that sounds good on election time, they want change from the Bush policies.
The financial institutions are bankrupt. The dollar super weak
The military are stressed out dangerously. Factories and jobs move overseas.
Home owners become homeless. And John McCain worry about the judgment of OBAMA?
McCain is desperate to be a President! He doesn’t see the disaster of Iraq coming when he vote in favor of War .He support deregulations and then argue about the circus of Wall Street .A person who talk against the Government but he favors the government interference .What you can say about his judgment? Now we know that not only Obama can lead, but also he had a plan for the future of this great country!
Now McCain can snooze tight. Obama can answer the 03.00 am call any time!
Rebublicants can spin like wash machine all day long! The truth is
Senator McCain past actually impairs him from to be flexible and confront the future with open mind. The last days of the campaign confirmed that McCain -Plain are the most inadequate people to run this country!
The same people who gave George Bush a second term should feel responsible for the mess that is occurring today. They are the same ones who today have doubts about the ability of Obama to be a good choice for President. At war the first casualty is the truth. At this electoral race the truth has been killed by McCain and the Rebublicants .

It was not subprime loans that caused the current crises, it was wreckless lending and then the bundling and selling of mortgages as commodities that caused the crisis. Not all subprime loans failed, not even a majority. It wasn’t until the mortgage industry wanted to gut the market that they started what could only charitibly called sub-subprime loans. all but ignoring credit scores and ability to repay. then selling those loans off before the ink was dry.

Obama – A Cult of Personality
A cult of personality arises when a country’s leader (Obama) uses mass media to create a heroic public image through unquestioning flattery and praise. Cults of personality are often found in dictatorships but can be found in some democracies.
A cult of personality is similar to general hero worship except that it is created specifically for political leaders (Obama).
Generally, personality cults are most common in regimes that seek to radically alter or transform society according to revolutionary new ideas.
Often, a single leader becomes associated with this revolutionary transformation, and comes to be treated as a benevolent “guide” for the nation, without whom the transformation to a better future cannot occur.
“Comrades, the cult of the individual acquired such monstrous size chiefly because Obama himself, using all conceivable methods, supported the glorification of his own person. . . . One of the most characteristic examples of Obama’s self-glorification and of his lack of even elementary modesty is the edition of his book The Audacity of Hope, which was published in 2006.
This book is an expression of the most dissolute flattery, an example of making a man into a godhead, of transforming him into an infallible sage, “the greatest leader,” “sublime strategist of all times and nations.” Finally no other words could be found with which to lift Obama up to the heavens.
We need not give here examples of the loathsome adulation filling this book. All we need to add is that they all were approved and edited by Obama personally and some of them were added in his own handwriting to the draft text of the book.”

“Pollster:
McCain: 163
Obama: 296
Toss up: 79
Ouch.’
Just makes us want to work harder. Some Americans aren’t afraid to work hard to accomplish their goals, unlike some that expect the world to be given to them with little or no effort on their part.

Charles Keating was sentenced to prison and required to pay more than $1 billion in civil penalties after being convicted on fraud, racketeering and conspiracy charges centered around his running of Lincoln Savings and Loan, which he bought in 1984. On April 14, 1989, Lincoln was seized by the government at an eventual taxpayer cost of $3.4 billion, then the most expensive thrift bailout in history. Lincoln and Keating became national symbols of the savings-and-loans collapse of the ’80s — much as lending firms Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have symbolized the current financial meltdown.
McCain had been friends with Keating since the early ’80s — their families vacationed together several times, according to previous CNN reporting. Keating was an early financial supporter of McCain’s political career and donated to his campaigns repeatedly over the years. Keating’s first company, American Continental, was headquartered in Arizona, the state McCain represents. McCain became one of the so-called “Keating Five” — five U.S. senators investigated over accusations they tried to interfere in a federal investigation of Keating’s role in the savings-and-loan’s collapse.
In January 1985, while in the U.S. House, McCain co-sponsored a resolution that would have delayed the effective date of proposed government limits “on direct investment in real estate, service corporations, and equity securities by federally insured savings and loan associations.” He was one of the early sponsors, although a majority of Congress eventually signed on to sponsor it. The legislation would have impacted Keating’s business, but would have regulated the entire industry, not specifically Lincoln Savings and Loan.
McCain also wrote several letters to government regulators and other officials regarding the issue. One, dated Jan. 30, 1985, to White House chief of staff James Baker, called the proposed regulations “unwise,” saying the effort “flys (sic) in the face of our recent efforts to remove the hand of government from the affairs of private enterprise.”
On April 9, 1987, McCain and the other senators attended a meeting with federal regulators investigating Keating. McCain has since said he regrets doing so. “He asked me to help him,” he said during an October 2002 interview with Chicago’s WGN-AM radio station. “I said I wouldn’t do certain things. He called me a wimp. I threw him out of my office, but I still went to a meeting with four other senators with a group of regulators.”

The Obama Youth Junior Fraternity Regiment.
kids dressed in paramilitary uniforms ritualistically shouting out their praise for Obama. Yes, according to the chants, these kids are supposedly inspired to enter various professions all thanks to a certain Chicago Machine politician. This is reminiscent of North Korean kids chanting out their praises for the “Dear Leader.”
How about exploiting those little kids to “Sing for Change” video.
Brainwashing the youth to sing or recite the political slogans of their “Dear Leader”.
Kim Jong-Il must be jealous. Anybody remember any other paramilitary youth organizations formed to support a political party movement?
Echoes of 1939.
They definitely are using a tried and proven playbook. Tell a big lie enough times and it becomes the truth.

it is so sad to see john mccain who seems an honorable man, sink this low.
it some would listen closely, they would hear, mccain and co. saying:
we cannot win this election on the up and up. It seems mccain has lost faith in his own ability, or he is just seeing the writing on the wall.
to have someone in your campaign say,
we need to turn the page, because if the conversation stays about the economy, we lose.
I think they believe and already know they have lost. that is why, they have pulled out the dirty trick book.
sarah palin-who in her only real shot to tell us something about herself,when asked at the debate, are there any promises you have made-you would change given this economy? the only answer palin had was “I have only been at this five week, i have made no promises” well she should have know john mccain platform well enough to be able to give an intelligent answer. she did not.
i would not be suprised if we don’t end up with a hot mike moment for sarah palin, looking out at those adoring,”Please help us close our eyes and ears to the real problems, and tell us smooth things” crowds, and hear her say “wow, these people really do look as dumb as they must be.
because I and everybody else knows,
I don’t know Jack- and for that matter she does not know John “coconut” mccain
with her “there you go joe, looking back again statement”
I, and all of you know why mccain and co. don’t want us looking back, because with this horrible economy, they are afraid you will look back and see just how close john mccain is connected to george bush.
why isn’t john mccain and co. out there every chance they get and blasting george bush, and all of the problems with this economy?
because-he know just how closely tied he is to bush and this economy,-mccain has nothing, he told us he didn’t know much about the economy, that is why he agreed with everything bush and co. with the economy, and see where it has got all of us.
why isn’t mccain talking about the economy? because georg bush and co. have already said it for him.

“Just makes us want to work harder. Some Americans aren’t afraid to work hard to accomplish their goals, unlike some that expect the world to be given to them with little or no effort on their part.”
Technically Mack, posting right wing talking points on news blogs isn’t working for your candidate.

Obama did a land deal with rezko while he was under federal investigation for influence peddling by patrick fitzgerland.
Obama had rezko build a fence and a sweetheart deal for part of his lot.
Obama then said no one could have had any inkling rezko was in trouble.
Obama lied to the washington post and GMA before the south carolina primary.
It turns out Obama did know rezko was under federal investigation for influence peddling when he did the land deal.

joey,
Obama didn’t start that Crap you’re talking about…some nutjob teacher did.
let’s talk about the real associations. We know about Ayers. We know Obama had a working relationship with him on the Annenberg project….All of the records have been pored over in detail…and guess what…no smoking gun.

Dan, I hate to tell ya, we have been killing more civilians than insurgents in Afghanistan. This is fact, as reported by the DOD. Iraq has been a trillion dollar boondoggle that has done nothing but increase recruitment for terorist cells and weakened us in the region.

Jack,
This is dangerous stuff, questioning a Presidential candidate’s patriotism,likening him to a terrorist. As others have pointed out, both sides can play this game, but does it do any of us any good to sow distrust and suspicion about the character of the best candidate either party has to offer? McCain and Paliun better get back to programmatic, not personal attacks. To continue as they are incites anger and even hatred. It could incite someone to an assassination attempt. Why not? If Obama is disloyal, if he is a terrorist, if he disrepects our troops, why wouln’t someone take a shot? McCain is breaking the basic pact of political process in a democracy: we won’t incite or resort to violence.

Flash Override said: McCain’s political career was launched by two convicted felons: Charles Keating and Jim Hensley. While not directly involved in killing anyone, Hensleys alcohol sales most likely contributed to the deaths of thousands of people in Arizona. Professor Ayers hasn’t killed anyone. Hensley, additionally, was connected directly to organized crime figures.
Oh but he did. A police officer. So when we say…get over it. I defy anyone to go to this mans widow, and say that. Also, two members of the weather underground were killed while trying to transport, or detonate a bomb, that was intended for a military dance in New Jersey on a base there.
Unrepentant, and never served time for these crimes.
Up until the 60′s, what you accuse the Republicans of, is what the Democrats were…and still are. Thru their social programs, they’ve managed to keep millions in poverty, and dependent on the welfare system. The new slavery.

We would be about where we are.
Neither side cares about the truth, both sides are slinging mud, and our 401ks are melting like cotton candy on the sidewalk at the local carnival.
Barack cheats to win and McCain’s campaign is gasping for breath.
Hillary Clinton is relaxing and watching the melee. Sarah Palin is learning the trade craft faster than any new national figure in recent history.
In four years, only the last two will matter.

A preview of the impact of the Obama economic plan and his vote in favor of the bailout.
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Yet another misguided and easily manipulated lemming attacking without substance.
You DO McCain voted FOR the bail out right? You know, he did the “I suspend my campaign” political stunt? I suppose you missed that part?
You DO know the bail out was presented by a REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT right?

Compare “Obama’s Terrorist Connections: William Ayers” with The speeches Ayers and Dohrn gave at the November 2007 Students for a Democratic Society reunion.

Hmmmm … McCain friends with a terrorist …. Does George W Bush count?

Jake how about this ….
This from ThinkProgress…. obviously they know how to research:
McCain Voted To Protect Domestic Terrorists Who Carry Out Violence At Abortion Clinics»
This morning on CBS’s Early Show, McCain-Palin campaign spokesperson Nancy Pfotenhauer attempted to defend Gov. Sarah Palin’s (R-AK) debunked claims that Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) has been “palling around” with former radical William Ayers. Referencing a recent New York Times article, Pfotenhauer claimed that if McCain “hung out with somebody who had bombed abortion clinics” it would be a legitimate topic of discussion.

Republicans = Double Standard
I am officially convince McCain would know honor if it hit him in the face.

and further more,
palin accuses biden of looking back
she is trying to get us to look back and dream up and imagine things that could have, may have, may not have, happened with obama and ayers.
mccain and palin want us to look into that make belive horizion.
and look over the picture right in front of us.
mccain and bush hugging, mccain saying i don’t know much about the econony, mccain, saying bushes economic plan is a good one.
if i were mccain and palin i would be desperate for people to look over the immediately in front of us, or at best directly in behind us, to
palin and mccain-”people don’t look at the connection between bush and mccain-that is history.
look,way way back and try to see what i am telling you about obama. I know you have heard all of this before, but i need you to think about this again, forget that economy stuff for right now.
let me tell you a story, about a big, bad, scary man, named obama.

Oh but he did. A police officer.
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Really? You’re saying Ayres killed a police officer and yet was never convicted of anything?
Sure. That happened.
I bet your good at seven moves to Kevin Bacon aren’t you?

KEEP UP THE NONSENSE, MCCAIN CAMPAIGN. HERE’S THE LATEST FROM REAL CLEAR POLITICS:
Colorado 48.0 44.0 Obama +4.0
Ohio 48.7 45.2 Obama +3.5
Florida 49.3 45.3 Obama +4.0
Nevada 49.3 47.5 Obama +1.8
Missouri 47.8 47.5 Obama +0.3
Virginia 49.9 45.1 Obama +4.8

Sarah Palin is mrried to a radical who advocated Alaska succeding from the country and McCain wanted to protect individuals who bombed Planned Parenthood offices. WHen AYers was a terrorist, Obama was eight years old. Sounds like McCain and Palin are closer to terrorists than Obama.

Hey Jake!
Rev. Wright is a radical liberal anti American.
William Ayers is a radical liberal anti American.
Father Flager is a radical liberal anti American.
Rashid Khalidi is a radical liberal anti American.
Khalid al-Mansour is a radical liberal anti American.
Birds of a feather, flock together! or is that chickens coming home to roost?
It’s no wonder obama and his wife don’t think that there is anything wrong with these characters, they are just like them.
Jake, the media never fully vetted all of these radical liberal anti American connections because they are cowards. You don’t have a shred of objectivity if you don’t investigate this now. The media sent hundreds of people to Alaska but not one to Chicago.
Jake your credibility and fairness is on life support.

To those using the Keating 5. McCain was exonerated. End of story. When Keating came to him, McCain threw him out of his office, and it didn’t take 20 years to do so.
Now, I wonder how you use this, when Obama has Glenn, exonerated in the Keating 5, and 2 that were convicted, are all working for Obama now. So does that make Obama even worse in his judgements? That he allows 2 of the 3 found guilty in the Keating 5 to work on his campaign?
McCain acknowledges he used bad judgement, and has apologized over, and over. Has Obama? Is he man enough to do that?
I would like to add something else. Liz Trotta today, was doing an interview, and referred to Trig Palin, the son of Sarah Palin as “It”. This is the party of tolerance? This is the party of unity? She denegrated this innocent life, to being a freak show, at a carnival, and dismissed this leaving, breathing, beautiful baby, as an “it”.
Sad days ahead I fear.

RealClearPolitics is the best becuase it records trends not just polls and the trends are pointing towards Obama. Even when McCain was up Obama only loss by a couple electoral votes. This means Obama is going to win, by how much is up to the American people.

if mccain continues to drop in the polls,
don’t be suprised people to finally hear palin, mccain and co.
ask this question:
“You do know obama is black? don’t you?

SArah Palin talked about Obama Rev WHite, but neglected to mention her preacher who declared a woman as witch who was causing a rash of auto accidents, then he ran her out of town. Methinks Palin is living in a glass hockey house.

KEEP UP THE NONSENSE, MCCAIN CAMPAIGN. HERE’S THE LATEST FROM REAL CLEAR POLITICS:
Colorado 48.0 44.0 Obama +4.0
Ohio 48.7 45.2 Obama +3.5
Florida 49.3 45.3 Obama +4.0
Nevada 49.3 47.5 Obama +1.8
Missouri 47.8 47.5 Obama +0.3
Virginia 49.9 45.1 Obama +4.8

About the villages: It is a basic fact of warfare that you win on the ground, not from the air. Whether it was Dresden,Tokyo,London,or Baghdad,the majority of casualties in warfare are ciovilians, especially air warfare. You can destroy a city or village from the air going after combatants, but you can’t kill them selectively, nor can yo control the society and territory without foot soldiers and lots of them. When Obama made the comment that is now being criticized he was arguing for more ground troops to avoid the situation where we were just bombiong from the air, destroying villages and killing civilians because of lack of troops on the scene. Listen to the whole speech, you can’t put any meaning on a ohrase without knowing what comes before and after. Palin and Mccain are acting like demagogues, willing to say anything to win.

DNC Party Crasher
So are you conceding that Obama is tough politically and has the possibility to get things done while in office. Palmer gave up her seat and Obama didn’t want to give it back. I like this example if someone gave you a promotion and then decided to take it back because there other job fail through would you willing give back the promotion.
You just ran in circles.

Can’t win on domestic policy
Can’t win on international policy
Can’t win on health care
Can’t win on taxes
Can’t win on financial policy
Can’t win on judgement
Can’t win on “experience” (thanks Palin!)
Can’t win with old war stories
Can’t win with a winking pageant princess
Can’t even win gettin’ mavericky
Uh, let’s try smear tactics and name calling…yah, that’ll work

let’s see , we all know McCains’s Gpa, his college activities, his course work..
what we know about Obama’s college… nada,
did he get into columbia or havard on affirmative action?
did he get in trouble?
was he frat boy?
etc.
Obama is not vetted

oh, and we have the obama media fans going…
YAWN,, we don’t want to report or dig on that news… it’s racist to question obama

McCain campaign – The New UnApology: Keating Five investigation was ‘a political smear job’ on John McCain
Holy crap.
I’m listening to the McCain campaign conference call about John McCain’s involvement in the Keating Five scandal. McCain’s lawyer, John Dowd (see directly right) just said that the Keating Five investigation was “political” as it concerned John McCain. He shouldn’t even have been admonished by the Senate, his lawyer says.
Then McCain’s lawyer dropped the real bomb.
The Keating Five Investigation was “a political smear job on John [McCain].” WTH? He called Howell Heflin, who led the hearings, a “stooge” of the Democratic machine out to get poor, innocent John McCain.
This opens up the entire question of McCain’s supposed contrition. If McCain thinks he did nothing wrong, and that it was wrong for the Senate to scold him for his actions during the Keating Five Scandal, then he isn’t contrite at all, he isn’t sorry at all. He’s learned nothing. You can’t turn a new leaf when you don’t think you did anything wrong. This is one hell of an admission.
That’s not what McCain said in his book, Worth Fighting For:
I made the worst mistake of my life by attending two meetings, the first with the chairman of the Federal Home Loan Bank Board, the government agency charged with regulating the practices of the nation’s savings and loans, and a week later with four bank examiners based in San Francisco who were at that time investigating the investment and lending practices of Lincoln Savings and Loan of Irvine, California, owned by my good friend and generous supporter Charles Keating.
And it’s not what he was saying last year:
I was judged eventually, after three years, of using, quote, poor judgment, and I agree with that assessment.
Ben Smith appreciates this striking shift.
I’d always thought McCain’s great strength in defending the Keating affair was that he’d acknowledged making a huge mistake, and spent his career repenting by recasting himself as a reformer.
So when his campaign puts his lawyer on the line with reporters to contest the details of a congressional inquiry that, largely, let McCain off the hook, doesn’t that cloud the sin-confession-atonement dynamic a bit?
Steve Benen adds:
It does, indeed. When McCain conceded wrongdoing, he used it as a platform to begin supporting campaign-finance reform. It made him a “reformer.” But now, the new argument is that McCain was the victim here, and his years of contrition were a sham. This argument, in effect, turns nearly two decades of McCain arguments completely on their head.
It’s hard to believe, but the McCain campaign has deliberately made this a new story all over again, just when the Obama campaign wants it to be.

Jake asked for respect on this thread, and I for one will oblige that request, because I was raised with some manners, and decorum.
I get angry like everyone else, but I try very hard to base any arguments I have with the facts, and try to back those facts up.
Calling Mrs. Palin a witch, or calling any of the candidates names, is silly, childish, and trite, and weakens any argument, or comment one might have.
So I ask nicely, to please stop the name callings. State your arguement, or comment, back it up with facts if you can, and leave it at that. :)

ObamaWillLose
Obama will win. This is a grammatically correct sentence in the future tense.

So Ayres was convicted of bombing? no?
So he was convicted of terrorism? no?
So he was convicted of hurting someone? no?
What exactly was he convicted of again?

John McCain’s preoccupation with William Ayers is further evidence he never fully made it back from Vietnam. It’s very sad. The whole far right can never seem to let go of the 1960′s. For the rest of us, it’s ancient history and holds little relevance for our politics today. What we are seeing from the McCain/Palin campaign are its death throes. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

LET’S DISCUSS G GORDON LIDDY:
As Media Matters for America has noted, Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled “John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07″ includes a discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an “old friend.” During the segment, McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was “proud” of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”

Does anyone care that the DOW dropped below 10,000 today???!!! This is exactly why the chasm between the rich and the poor is widening. What does it say about us when the world’s economy is in the toilet, and the only thing people here want to discuss is a lie that the McCain campaign continues to repeat. (Remember that it doesn’t matter how often Palin repeats the lie, it still won’t make it true.) Stay focused people, and vote! Let the small minds harp on this insignificant mess, but prove yourself more sophisticated: Do your own research, and, for goodness sake, VOTE! It’s your/our future at stake here.

Gee, desperate Republicans using smear tactics to try get someone to pay attention to their weak candidates
Yah, that’s a “change” isn’t it?
Same OLD party, same OLD tactics, same OLD candidate – nothing “maverick” about McCain at all.

Hey, Jake, did anybody ever answer your question?
I’d give it a shot but see, I’m still not clear of the details of the relationship between Obama and Ayers. The MSM doesn’t seem to have done much digging and all that darn paperwork is missing.
As for McCain and the abortion clinic bomber scenario. If it was truly as passing connection that could be proven then I would tend to ignore it and I would think Obama shouldn’t be attacking him for it. But if the connection looked suspicious or if the words of McCain didn’t match his behavior at the time, then I would say, yes, Obama has a right to bring it up and ask for an explanation. (And also wonder aloud why the MSM isn’t doing its job.)

McCain has far worse associations, as anyone who’s read the current article in Rolling Stone will know. And frankly, with the economy in this shape, I care more bout them than some fictional abortion clinic bomber, because they indicate his ties to lobbyists, his taking bribes and involvement in the Keating Five S&L scandal. The fictional abortion clinic guy would not be important to me. Neither is Ayers.

Who a president chooses to associate with is precisely the issue
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Ok Jane
So I assume you have a problem with a 58 year old man taking money from and aiding a convicted felon I suppose? (aka John McCain)You would think a man of 58 would know right from wrong.
Or how about a candidate who picked a running mate who is CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION for abuse of executive power? Seems that is VERY relevant to a potential national leader isn’t it?
Or are you just a hypocrite like the rest of the them.

How about looking into McCain’s friendship with G. Gordon Liddy?
Since Ayers, and Wright are so interesting to you… lets look at the other side and be fair.. huh?
Also what about Todd Palin and his membership with AIP? and Sarah Palin’s video to the AIP welcoming everyone to the the convention?
Just because the pitbull whined about the MSM doesn’t mean you have to be afraid of her…
Do your job

mccain, is not worried about the dow droping,
mccain,bush, palin, and cheney will be just fine in this economy, thank you very much.
that is why mccain can afford to try and change the subject.
you and your economy don’t matter eonugh for him to talk about,
mccain’ bottom line is just fine.
anyway, why wouldn’t you expect someone who said they don’t know much about the economy, to change the subject.
of course mccain does not want to talk about it.
and what mccain has to say, is
any questions on the economy i refer you to the statements i made with our great president bush,
the economy is sound, and doing just fine.

G Gordon Liddy, the convicted burglar and Nixon era plotter of assassination and kidnapping is a great friend of McCain’s.
Figures. Crooks hang together.

I am going to enjoy watching McShame and thr Pig in Lipstick go down in flames!

Ayers turned himself in in 1980. He was not on the run through the early 1980s.
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Fair enough, he turned himself in in 1980, after knowing the charges against him had been dropped. Other members of his group were convicted in 1981.
So he stopped being a fugitive only 15 years before we know he first started working with Obama. Obama was not 8 years old when the story of the Weatherman had played out.

Seems to me that none of the hypocrites screaming about the incidental relationship between Obama and Ayers want to address the ongoing and current relationship between McCain and Libby. Read the two paragraphs below and tell us all why it doesn’t matter to you “Country First” folks:
As Media Matters for America has noted, Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled “John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07″ includes a discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an “old friend.” During the segment, McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was “proud” of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”

Jake,
The answer to your question is:
G. Gordon Liddy
G. Gordon Liddy
G. Gordon Liddy
G. Gordon Liddy
G. Gordon Liddy
G. Gordon Liddy
Is he a terrorist? You-bet-ya! Does he pal around with John McCain. Right again!
Working at Richard Nixon’s Committee to Re-elect the President, Liddy concocted several plots, including:
- firebombing the Brookings Institution in Washington,
- kidnapping anti-war protest organizers and transporting them to Mexico during the Republican National Convention,
- the break-in at Daniel Ellsberg’s psychiatrist’s office.
- the break in of the Watergate hotel

Sorry…I wrote it wrong. Correction:
Did you know that in every appalling word there is a Palin?
LOL

I believe that each of us has worked with, gone to college with, grown up with, or are related to people that are the opposite of what we value or what our principles are. I often learn what NOT to do by knowing and talking to people who are unlike me. I value myself and strive to encourage others of what I’ve learned by being a witness to those that I disagree with. I don’t care if McCain went to the home of an anti-abortionist and neither do I care about William Ayers. If the critera to be President is defined by only speaking or associating with people who represent your values, no one is qualified. If my child ever wanted to run for the office of President, he or she could never write about it, must interview and research every person they associate with, and most disturbing can never learn from others who are different. I’ve yet to see a substantive accusation of character from either party and these attacks are just farder for their perspective bases. Where is the decency in our politics and when is enough enough?

tapper, you can’t compare the two… abortion clinic bombings are recent history and mccain is 72 years old… you would have to go back 66 years to see what injustice people were rebelling against back THEN to make this a logical anaology… stop trying to stir up the dirt and try to do some reporting on ISSUES (like the economy, global warming, health care, foreign policy) instead of this crap… obama is going to cream mccain because americans are informing themselves and actually care about the issues

BlameAmericaLast
Your name speaks ignorance of America’s past policies. We put dictatorships in half the countries we are fighting against right now.

Do you know that in every appalling there is a palin?
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That’s funny!
Careful though, someone might get mavericky on you.
What’s the difference between a pitbull and Palin?
The pitbull has been vet-ed.

Dow Jones fell 800 points today. What is Obama’s solution?

Thanks for pointing out how slim the rant about Ayers is – it’s pathetic.
McCain’s hypothetical abortion bombing acquaintance would have to be ?? almost 90 years old? and have committed the crimes in his twenties.
I’ll just go with McCain’s questionable acquaintances when he was an adult, like Keating, like his stripper girl friends….

DNC Party Crasher
Now these people are mentors. LMAO!!! I know my next door neighbor, he must be my mentor. Hey I bought a house from that guy, he is my mentor. I go to church every Sunday , the reverend must be my mentor. I’ve been a mentor to college students and it is much more involved then that. At least I know what network you listen too. Still…
Dow Jones fell 800 points today. What is McCain’s response on the matter?

geevill
Stimulate the middle class by creating jobs. Middle class spending will re-energize the economy. That is how we got out of the great depression. Put people to work. Specifics are on his website.

As long as the media continues to have a hard on for Obama nothing will change!
WAKE UP AMERICA!

Were this the first time it had come up, the Ayers link would fair game and the media would have an obligation to follow through on its veracity and relevance. However, Ayers because has already been discussed at least a couple of times this election cycle, whether during the primaries or by McCain (after he had won the nomination but before Obama had done so), the importance of Ayers is lessened. My point is simply that the Ayers bit is a retread. Given the current economic situation, Ayers is a sideshow, and it should be covered as such.

He did. Ever hear of the US Council on World Freedom? John-boy was on the board. They made their mark as a part of the Iran/Contra Affair. How many people were killed by Contras? How illegal was the transfer of money? Did Ayers kills anyone? McCain has blood on his hands. He should shut the hell up.

using the McCain campaign definition of what constitutes a mentor, Keating Liddy and his playmates in the VC all qualify.

IF JOHN MCCAIN WAS IN ANY WAY ASSOCIATED WITH AYERS AND JEREMIAH WRIGHT, HE WOULD NEVER HAVE GOTTEN THIS FAR
Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | Oct 6, 2008 9:02:22 PM
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TJ, are you familiar with McCain’s ongoing friendship with G Gordon Liddy?
As Media Matters for America has noted, Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention — a plan he outlined to the Nixon administration using terminology borrowed from the Nazis. (The murder, firebombing, and kidnapping plots were never carried out; the break-ins were.) During the 1990s, Liddy reportedly instructed his radio audience on multiple occasions on how to shoot Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms agents and also reportedly said he had named his shooting targets after Bill and Hillary Clinton.
Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled “John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07″ includes a discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an “old friend.” During the segment, McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was “proud” of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.”

“Dow Jones fell 800 points today. What is Obama’s solution?”
Geevil, there will be no solution from Obama. Just like he has solved nothing in Illinois. He will be lost because Obama is a career campaigner. He only knows how to criticize the other guy in office and run for that office. He was senator for 143 days before he announced he was running for president. He could have let the other guy just have the office and run for president. It would have been better for Illinois at least.
But the answer to your question will be Obama will let his puppet masters control everything. See more of Pelosi and Barney and watch the DNC slide into hell.

Gov. Palin speech made DOW dive 273.55 points.

DNC Party Crasher
The truth of the matter is there is a solution even though you will refuse to admit it. The truth is Obama did fix things in Illinois such as racial profiling and the death penalty. The truth is that Obama did do things in the U.S. Senate such as past laws on Nuclear Proliferation , and Ethics. And he has proposed a plan. But I guess some people have there eyes wide shut.

I could never be friendly with a Nazi, a lyncher, a serial killer, a child rapist, etc.
It sickens me that Obama could dismiss acts Ayers did when he was a kid, as if they don’t matter now, especially when the guy says he should’ve did more to this day.
It’s absolutely a fair hit. It’s all politics. Like Obama’s all hopey changey, right.

DNC Party Crasher
Obama never said that Wright was his mentor although Fox news (and only Fox news) reported that.

I’m frankly stunnned at McCain’s campaign. Their slogan really should be ‘McCain First’. Palin as VP? The idea that she could be president is deeply offensive to me as person who cares about this country. Then, this prepostorous grandstanding around the economy, trying to avoid the debate and take credit for a bill that didn’t pass after being voted down by McCain’s own party? And now, calling the other side ‘terrorists’? That’s really third-grade stuff. I expected more from McCain, I really did. He’s flip-flopped and behaved disgracefully. Obama has shown himself to be the more honorable person and candidate, and I’ll be voting for him.

Rev. Wright is a radical liberal anti American.
William Ayers is a radical liberal anti American.
Father Flager is a radical liberal anti American.
Rashid Khalidi is a radical liberal anti American.
Khalid al-Mansour is a radical liberal anti American.
Birds of a feather, flock together! or is that chickens coming home to roost?
It’s no wonder obama and his wife don’t think that there is anything wrong with these characters, they are just like them.
The media never fully vetted all of these radical liberal anti American connections because they are cowards. They don’t have a shred of objectivity if they don’t investigate now. They sent hundreds of people to Alaska but not one to Chicago.
The media has no credibility or fairness left in them.

Let not your heart be troubled folks. Silly season will be over and Barack Obama will be our President.
McCain will be back in the Senate and YES Sarah will be back up in Wasilla shooting moose.
And America can move forward and clean up this mess.

Tainted Ethics. The Change we’ve all been waiting for.
Posted by: Jeanie | Oct 6, 2008 9:19:29 PM
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Indeed, Jeanie!
How do you feel about McCain taking money from Keating when he was 57 years old?
How do you feel that McCain has an ongoing friendship with G Gordon Liddy?
Or does none of THAT matter?

“Can’t really call Bush dumb when the voters are dumber.”
Change, but to what? Thank you for an intelligent comment.
I would not say that the voters are dumb. Just sucked in to the point were there is an absence of asking questions that dominate the narrative. Like they were with Bush. koolAid, drink more it makes me feel good. Illinois will go blue but I know many who voted for Obama as a senator who are not voting for him in this election. And to extend the problematic topic of race to this election just adds to the complexities of the matrix. His record in Illinois is not impressive. the Death Penalty is a very WEAK talking point. Crime here is up 30%. 10people shot dead in Obama’s neighborhood in one weekend.
Like I said. Obama 1 term. It will be like Carter. He had no solutions for Illinois and what is laughable is posters who will argue with you about what is happening in your own state. Now that is drinking Kool Aid, but I guess Obama stinks from Chicago to LA so I guess they get a wiff of something.

“Dow Jones fell 800 points today. What is Obama’s solution?”
Solution:
Lewis Farakah
Jessie Jackson
Al Sharpton
Opra Winfrey
Star Jones
This will be his cabinet and they will help him fix the economy and give us health care and lots of free stuff.

John McCain is arrogance, ignorance and mediocrity wrapped in a flag. He was a POW in North Vietnam, but so were over 500 others. He was a terrible student by his own admission and was 884 out of 889 in his graduating class. His largest fame in Congress was for having the worst temper in the Senate, which to be fair, is bipartisan in nature. His success is due to parental position and marrying right the second time and the public’s long held practice of giving military heroes a pass on their competence as government leaders. He can only win by destroying his opponent or trying to pretend he is independent when he backed Bush with over 90% of his votes.

DNC Party Crasher
If you were paying attention you would realize that the change Obama proposes is concrete. Transparency, Middle Class focus economic policy, Diplomacy… But I guess some peoples eyes are wide shut.

Obama and the DNC tried to dismiss the lawsuit checking the validity of his being a natural born citizen. The judge is requesting Obama supply applicable documents within 3 days as proof. This was done on 10/3. Has Obama supplied these yet? All the above is a moot point if Obama isn’t qualified to be a U.S. President. Philip Berg filed the suit. If he has proof, supply it, end the controversy.

“Please start with California where the democrats have ruled for 30+ years and have systematically run my state into the ground.”
Would that be the state with a GOP governor for the last 5 years?
Or how about Pete Wilson?
CA has been run into the ground thanks to Prop 13 strangling funding for local governments.

That would be disturbing. But I’d be a lot more disturbed to learn that McCain’s political career was funded by a) an heiress whose father and uncle were both convicted felons – for crooked dealings with alcohol and racetracks b) McCain had accepted money for lobbying and twisting bills for one of the biggest bank failures in history – one we paid for c) McCain chose an End-of-Days running mate, who had been blessed on camera, by a man who believes the American education system is full of “sorcery and witchcraft” (hey teachers out there – have you had time to cast any spells lately?) and e) McCain chose a running mate who has been married to a man who belonged to a party for a DECADE – (until very recently) that advocated that Alaska secede from the union – by violence, if necessary f) the lies and hatred spread by Palin have drive people to shout death threats at political rallyies in America g) John McCain’s spiritual advisor believes that 70 Million American Catholics are agents of Satan.
By the way, Jake, Obama was 8 or 9. Give it up. How are your college funds today? How’s your job outlook? Got a house? Got any parents that you’ll have to take care of now – when you have no money of your own? Nope. Didn’t think so. Take a bus ride to America. We’ve got more on our moinds than what the Weather Underground was doing while Obama was playing with legos.

Honestly, I would feel the same way as I feel about the “association”. Neither terrorism nor abortion are my issues to vote on. It’s the economy, stupid!
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Does anyone wonder why comments that actually make sense are drowned out by noise and more noise? I don’t. McCain is definitely getting his money’s worth. It would be very nice to see the opposite. For every off topic, slanderous comment posted, three positive ones should follow. Let’s begin to have a real discussion…and some fun. Shall we?

DNC Party Crasher you’re a bit of a hypocrite.
How do you feel about McCain taking money from Keating when he was 57 years old?
How do you feel that McCain has an ongoing friendship with G Gordon Liddy?
Or does none of THAT matter?

The questions about Dude Palin’s affiliations with accessionist groups and McCain’s associations with the founder of the hate group that supplied the guerillas with weapons in the Iran Contra scandal… same as Ayers, but the media isn’t cramming that part down America’s throats.
Neither of these situations is relevant, but smearing should be equally applied to all candidates and candidate’s associations.
I’m glad Obama is fighting back.
Obama/Biden 08!

Obama continues to lie and show that he is any “empty suit with no substance.” He is an association of Ayers, even Ayers admitted today that he bombed the Pentagon and that he and Obama are friends. Obama flip flops and thinks he’s president already. Keep attacking, President McCain! America does not want Obama!

The Republican party will take us into more war and damage the economy further. McCain loves war too much for my taste..all he talks about is the surge in Iraq..why can’t he talk about a surge in our economy? This guy who owns 9 houses and 13 cars is out of touch with regular people(Most voters are regular people). Thank God Americans are getting wise to the dirty politics of the Republicans..McCain is losing in every State and that’s great! Let us turn this ship around and strengthen our economy. Heaven help us all and save us from the Republicans!

Change, but to what,
Don’t you think that WE should care if a 90 year old woman is so distraught over a mortgage that she injures herself??? My God! What have we become?
Banks have stopped lending to banks. People are losing their jobs, homes and minds, and the only response is McCain doesn’t care. Thank God that God does, and maybe we should too! Don’t you think. Please, in the future, do not respond to my posts. Thank you.

Hussein – I was brutally tortured by a Vietnam Vet – with a bad drug habit – you can find the records in a sheriff’s department in the California Central Coast. I’ve never used that information to get a job. I could stand on my own record.
What about all those guys who didn’t come home? From Hanoi or from Vietnam? John McCain has the right to talk about Veterans when he starts supporting them. His record is far lower than most Democrats. Disabled Vietnam Vets report his voting record at 20% – that’s the percentage of votes that he has taken in Congress to support men and woman who came back in pieces from Vietnam. He voted for waterboarding – months after he said he never would. He voted against the GI Bill – and most kids went to Iraq because they thought it would get them out of dead end towns and get them an education. It was a betrayal – one of many this year. Whatever honor John McCain once had, he sold it long ago.

DNC Party Crasher -
In 1994, John McCain voted against legislation — pushed through Congress by Joe Biden — that helped put an end to the practice of charging rape victims for sexual assault exams.
Twisted as it may sound, charging victims for a forensic exam was a real problem. For example, as AMERICAblog has documented (and the media is now reporting), when Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the town charged rape victims for the exams.

ARE YOU BETTER OFF THEN YOU WERE EIGHT YEARS AGO ?
IS THE AMERICAN ECONOMY BETTER OFF NOW THAN IT WAS EIGHT YEARS AGO ?
IF THE ANSWER IS NO…
VOTE OBAMA 08
VOTE FOR THE GUY OFFERING SOLUTIONS NOT THE OLD MAN OFFERING SMEERS!

Our senior citizens in this country are loyal voters and when you hear those senior citizens in Florida, Ohio and other states who voted Republican traditionally say that they are now voting for Obama, you know the show is over for McSame. The fat lady is about to enter the stage to sing the song “Hit the road Jack”. Bye Bye McCain! Heaven help us all and save us from the Republicans

Paige why are you addressing me?
You have the wrong poster.

IN OTHER NEWS THE DOW PLUNGES…
6 OF 10 AMERICANS SAY DEPRESSION IS “LIKELY”…
EBAY FIRES 10% OF ITS STAFF…
JOBLOSES AT HIGHEST LEAVES IN DECADES…
700 000 JOBS LOST THIS YEAR…
ECONOMISTS: MORE LOSES TO COME…

Heard a bank loan officer on radio say the phones were not ringing. Had 1M dollars set aside to loan each month but no was calling to apply. This money was set aside by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac each month. Wonder if we are getting the wrong message from the media. Think this is a game being played with our money.

Jake,
Asking questions that the rest in the press, who are almost all in the tank for Obama, are afraid or too biased to ask.
Keep it up.

I am a democrat and for years democrats have loved McCain because he was not like the other republicans. He is in now way anything like Bush.
That being said I would rather keep bush in office then chance Obama’s version of change. Obama is a scary man with ties to racists, slumlords, and terrorists. Obama was only in the senate for less than 1 year when he started running for office. In that short time in the senate he didn’t show up for 46% of the votes. He changes position depending on what the poles say.
I do not trust Obama.
I am a life long democrat who will be voting for McCain/Palin
Posted by: mark | Oct 6, 2008 9:50:40 PM
I totally agree with you, Mark!

McCain does have real connections to abortion clinic bombers as well as to racists and criminals, but McCain is white and therefore assumed to be “safe.”
Obama is the first major black presidential candidate, so they are naturally trying to make him out to be “scary.”
The latent racism in America and in these attacks is not often talked about, but it is a real problem regardless.
There is also a problem with blatant racism, such as from McCain campaign county chair Bobby May in Virginia, which the media also doesn’t want to talk about.

Umm.. Jake?
Have you not been seeing the questions asked about McCain and Palin over the last few months? About far less substantive issues than associations with terrorists and USA-hating ministers like Wright.
The lack of journalistic integrity is truly frightening….

Fact is Obama is not winning among anyone, the vote has not been held yet. McCain is making his move, theme of Country First, Obama clearly puts himself and his political interests first, he’s been paid 100s of thousands of dollars and 4 million on a book, but has no accomplishments (oh, yeah, he was a Community Organizer). So exactly why do you trust this guy?

The lack of journalistic integrity is truly frightening….
Posted by: Michelle | Oct 6, 2008 9:56:51 PM
Your exactly right! It’s frightening that the media has been in the tank for the idiot Obama these past months!

Stanley, go back to the primaries and read my posts. I have always supported Hillary Clinton…but when she was “robbed” of the nomination by this idiot Obammmy and his cohearts, Pelosi, Dean, and Reid…I refused to support him. I would rather McCain than this liar Obama, anyday! Stanley, get a life!

Sarah said: The latent racism in America and in these attacks is not often talked about, but it is a real problem regardless.
I am so sick to death of that weak argument, that every time, someone questions anything Barack says, does, did, will do, or is doing, as racist.
I am not voting for him because he is a small percentage black, a larger portion white, and the other portion arab….I am not voting for him simply because I do not trust him, nor do I agree with his ideologies.
I would however have voted for Colin Powell when we thought he would run a few years back, and if Condoleeza Rice had thrown her hat into the ring, I would vote for her as well. This is not about race, and I resent, and am offended that you make it about race.
If you’re so concerned about this as an issue, then why do you support a party, where a sitting Senator was once a member of the KKK?

What’s next? McCain’s inability to keep an airplane actually in the air? The difference between an academic Law professor and a Law Professor?
This country is in trouble, boys and girls. Do something about it. Make a start with discussing the issues that demand good solutions. And vote for the brightest, toughest and most honest candidate please. Our country is going to need it.

Johnjr, Borrow one of McCain’s 13 cars and go away. Its Obama in November whether you like it or not! You Republicans are in a dream world. Have you been reading lately about the polls and what people has been saying around the country and the world? Your Messiah McCain is on the way out John! OUT! Get it? OUT! Now go put down the Koolaid and go vote Obama. Heaven help us all and save us from the Republicans!

Thanks, Jake, for the shoe on the other foot scenario. As you imply, in those circumstances, the Dems would be howling for McCain’s head.
Would have been nice if media types had taken an interest in these shady characters in Obama’s life earlier, though. I’m sure Hillary thinks so, too.

Of course this is about desperation for McCain. Did we see this amount of stuff on Ayers back in September or August when McCain was surging? It’s all dirty politics (just like Obama’s harsh counterattack with Keating Five).

hahahaha
McCain the Erratic will lose

McCain:
If you do not believe as I do you are unamerican. You are not like us.
Who is us?

Obama has remained secretive & has been misleading about is associations with Ayers. One of Obama’s key men stated that they were “most certainly friendly” and then most recently that statement changed to the fact that “he barely knew the guy”. The mainstream media has painted a picture of the McCain campain using this as a last ditch effort to gain votes, but never points out the fact that Obama was a key member of one of Ayer’s educational projects in which he was reponsible for managing Ayers’ money…..to me that is a heck of a deeper relationship than “barely knowing the guy”! The issue is that he used poor judgement in his association with an unrepentant domestic terrorist AND then he chose to be less than honest about it!

Remember the 60s song with the words – where have all the good men gone…I need a hero..” Well, Barack Obama, please step right up because if ever we needed one in our history, this is the moment of reckoning!
Have we all lost our minds? Lost the meaning of our constitution? Thrown in our sense of decency? Are we really as lost as the so-called Ayers association would have us believe? This is not politics gone awry, this borders on insanity and as a former investigative television correspondent, the media is as much to blame as anyone.
Are we supposed to believe, that because Obama served on one of the most widely respected, internationally renowned foundation boards with an individual who was involved in a movement some 40+ years ago, never convicted of a crime, and leading a fairly respectable, intellectual, reasonable life, that he is somehow guilty by association?
Does this mean that we an individuals, have never crossed paths with someone who has been in prison; we have never encountered and spoken with someone who has used illegal drugs; that we shun all those whose past is not lily white, that we only associate with people who have never told a lie, committed a crime, cheated on a test, cheated on their spouse – you get the point.
Show me a perfect person and I’ll show you the emperor’s new clothes.
So here we are, in the midst of the greatest international financial crisis; here we are in a war that is taking thousands of young lives and costing trillions of dollars. Here we are in the midst of one of the most dangerous times in history and we are being given hope of a new kind of leadership. And all we can do is talk about a relatively insignificant individual, whose long ago views may differ from Sarah Palin’s, and this is somehow significant and important.
If this is where we are in our society, journalists like Jake included, then clearly, we are getting everything we deserve. But it is our hope, that we can be better than this. One can only hope.

The question asked was this:
“And what if Obama started attacking McCain about this guy.
How would it look to you? How would the media react? And would it be a fair hit?”
Absolutely it would be a fair hit. Every single person running for president should have his background thoroughly checked, no matter how late in the political game. If McCain had a person like Ayers in his past, I would want to know all about it.
No partisan politics here – just the plain, hard, cold facts – for EVERY candidate.

To put it bluntly, Jake, it’s a lousy analogy.
Abortion providers are *currently* at risk from violent groups and individuals. If McCain were friends with someone such as you describe, that person could easily use his new forum to incite bombings and murders *in the present* (since he thought his own bombing was a nifty idea and presumably would say so in his new venue).
There are *not* currently groups such as the Weather Underground or SDS hatching violent antiwar protests. Two of my older sibs were in college during the height of the Vietnam protests, Kent State, the student strike. They bemoan the lack of energy and organization (though *not* the lack of violence) in protests against the Iraq War. The atmosphere is entirely different now. Ayres has *not* said he thinks anyone should *now* go bomb the Pentagon to protest *this* war. There’s no organizational structure to act on any such suggestion, anyway.
Not analogous.
A more appropriate analogy would be: What if McCain were friends with, accepted a contribution from, and launched his political career in the living room of one of the National Guardsmen who shot one of the kids at Kent State? And what if that former National Guardsman were unrepentant about the killings, thought those kids deserved to be shot and killed, but no charges were ever brought, and he now had an unrelated career?
Would it matter? Would that make McCain a proponent of shooting and killing antiwar demonstrators on sight? Would it make him unfit for office?
There’s your analogy, Jake.

JRose said: So here we are, in the midst of the greatest international financial crisis;
Yes. And Obama was complicit in this finanacial fall out, going back to his days with ACORN!!! Now tell me why, when he was part of the problem, is he going to be the solution to it?

As far as I know the MSM has kept pretty if not totally silent about McCain serving on the board of the U.S. Council for World Freedom, to name an example.
The U.S. Council for World Freedom was chaired by John Singlaub who wound up involved in the Iran Contra scandal. It was an ultra conservative right-wing group.
The Council was affiliated with the so called World Anti-Communist League, an infamous gathering place and point of contact for extremists, racist and anti-Semites.
So… where IS the MSM’s outrage on this?
See, Republicans, you got it all wrong. McCain has got the free ride, while Obama was questioned about Ayers in the ABC debate for instance, grilled about Rev Wright everywhere, etc.
Same was true for Hillary Clinton in the primaries, btw. No one in the MSM brought up the large Whitewater scandal (chockful of “rezko’s”) against Hillary’s candidacy, while everyone was writing about that single “boneheaded mistake” by Obama when it comes to real estate: Rezko. The Clintons had many many more of such affairs in their closet.
The greatest lie about these presidential elections is that Obama was handled gently by the MSM.

Oh now, Mr. Tapper, don’t confuse the poor little dears. You’re posting “imagine if” things that just do not compute for them. Sad thing is, they’re the mirror image of the radical regressives, but they’ll never see that.

Jake, this is an excellent blog question. I have no doubt that if this scenario was true, Obama and the media would go after Mccain.

No on 8 said: Vote NO on Prop 8 in California. The Constition is about giving rights not taking them away.
Didn’t Biden say at the debate, that he and Obama were against same sex marriages? I’m pretty sure he did. Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Posted by: Jeanie | Oct 6, 2008 10:31:52 PM
Biden said that he and Obama were definitely “against same sex marriages” in the debate! Hmmmmmm…..!

The World Anti-Communist League was described by former member Geoffrey Stewart-Smith as “largely a collection of Nazis, Fascists, anti-Semites, sellers of forgeries, vicious racialists, and corrupt self-seekers.”
Thanks, freak, for your post on McCain’s ties to this League as a board member of the VERY suspicious U.S. Council for World Freedom.
You’re totally right of course. The MSM is totally silent about it. Maybe that boring refrain about the “leftist and elitist” MSM is simply a cover up for a much more plausible fact: the MSM is run by billionaire companies such as… Disney! Please draw your conclusions from that.

Hey SisterDearest,
And previously Obama said that was not relevant and he would not be bringing it up. Doesn’t that make Obama a LIAR? Perhaps it’s OK to lie in the new left context. Not in my book.
Oh, and while we’re at it, what about public financing. Doesn’t this also make Obama a LIAR? Perhaps there’s a new definition of lying when it comes to the arrogant wing of the Democratic Party. I’m ashamed to be a Democrat these days. I do wish Hillary were back, though.

sister dearest said: John McCain had a long association with Charles Keating who’d stole money from elderly seniors investor known as the Saving & Loan Association Scandal that cost American tax payer an estimated between $160.1 billion to $124.6 billion. I think people would say, “For McCain, history keeps repeating itself.”
Sister, McCain was exonerated, and the prosecutor went so far as to say he never should have been brought up on charges.
Obama up until now, has hardly been vetted over his associations, and should have been months ago. Because he wasn’t, Hillary lost, and he won. So who helped this to happen?

WestCoastMessenger
If you are not going to vote for anyone who changed their mind or said something untrue during a campaign, then you aren’t going to be voting for anyone, including Hillary Clinton.
Get over it.

Jeanie
McCain may have been more or less “exonerated,” but Obama has never even been charged for anything. Oh, but I’m sure you think he MUST be guilty of something. Why?

Ya know…I know it’s like trying to reason with a cookie, but here goes.
Say what you will about Sean Hannity. He is a commentator, not a journalist. Yet in all this time, he was the ONLY one to investigate Obama properly, the way Mrs. Palin has been investigated.
For months the msm’s conspired to hide, delude, change, ignore, or spin anything, and everything, when it came to negatives about Obama.
That being said….there is a man that helped Obama get into Harvard, and this man is on video spewing white hate. Wanting to cut off noses, and ears….and take out flesh. IF this kind of thing doesn’t at the very least trigger a lil curiosity into doing some research….then all that has been said, can be said, and we risk our own peril.

Unfortunately, any lessons McCain learned from the Keating scandal didn’t affect McCain’s unbridled enthusiasm for deregulating the finance industry.
“He continues to follow policies that create the same kind of environment we see today, with recurrent financial crises and epidemics of fraud led by CEOs,” says Black, the former S&L regulator.
Indeed, if the current financial crisis has a villain, it is Phil Gramm, who remains close to McCain. As chair of the Senate Banking Committee in the late 1990s, Gramm ushered in — with McCain’s fervent support — a massive wave of deregulation for insurance companies and brokerage houses and banks, the aftershocks of which are just now being felt in Wall Street’s catastrophic collapse.
McCain, who has admitted that “the issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should,” relies on Gramm to guide him.

McCain was exonerated of wrongdoing in his close relationship with keating, who was convicted and went to jail. They actually vacationed together.
Ayers was never convicted.
You mean to tell me that that rat liberal Mayor Daley has consulted with Ayers for the last 10-15 years?
So Mayor Daley pals around with terrorists? Tell him to his face.
Looks like a wash to me……with Obama coming out on top.

WestCoastMessenger!!
I guess it is alright for McCain to help out his friend, Charles Keating!!!
What about the 23,000 elderly senior investor who were defauded and lost their life savings and the American tax payers picked up the tab for the Saving and Loan Scandal!!
Now, here we go again with Wall Street, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac with McCain at the fore front!! McCain is the liar putting out 100% negative ads against Obama!!!
Obama/Biden08

Honestly, there is a simple solution for McCain to make a come back against Obama. Turn away from nasty attacks, and turn some positive attention to himself. He can do this by consulting with his main economics advisor, Phil Gramm, and coming up with a comprehensive and detailed economic recovery plan for the nation. We all wait anxiously for him to take the time to do so. While he’s at it, he could make up ground by comprehensively pointing out how any of his planned mavericky policies that he has thus far laid out are different from what his ole buddy Bush has supported over the last 8 disasterous years. Don’t hold your breath on old McNasty doing the right thing. He’s just not bright enough, and he prefers spewing hate and other mavericky and wacky crap everyday just to mess with our heads. Did I mention the poor guy is unstable?

To all John McCain supporters:
Please do not fault all the “lambs” out there. Blame the media for having greed and a motive to break headline news for a historical event. Their blatant sway of the less fortunate not bless with common sense is both sad and amazing.
When the dust settles and good or bad prevails, I can only hope the media will be held accountable for their obtrusive interference.

How about Obama & Biden talk about a vice presidential candidate who views America so differently from the rest of us that she & her husband supported an organisation that was so anti-American it wanted its State to seceed from the Union.

THEN
2007: “It was used in the Spanish Inquisition, it was used in Pol Pot’s genocide in Cambodia, and there are reports that it is being used against Buddhist monks today….It is torture.”
NOW
2008: Voted against bill that would prevent waterboarding by requiring all U.S. interrogators to comply with legal standards imposed by the Army Field Manual.

THEN
1997: Wrote legislation to ban lobbyists from political campaigns. Said lobbyist fundraisers “clearly represent a conflict of interest.”
NOW
2008: Campaign relies on more than 170 lobbyists to raise money and serve as aides and advisers.

THEN
Sept. 16th, 2008: “I do not believe that the American taxpayer should be on the hook for AIG.”
NOW
Next day: Backed bailout: “There were literally millions of people whose retirement, whose investments, whose insurance were at risk here.”

THEN
October 2006: Tells Chris Matthews of Hardball, “I think gay marriage should be allowed.”
NOW
Minutes later: “I do not believe that gay marriages should be legal.”

Jake, can do you do some sleuthing on McCain and John Singlaub?
Can you also do some sleuthing on McCain and IRI (International Republican Institute)?
There’s a wealth of info there that should be aired before we put this man in the WH.

MayBee
If they interfere with the rights of public citizens, then yes, it should be illegal.

But lest you think that Black is engaging in election year politics, here’s video of him discussing the Keating scandal during a Senate Ethics Committee hearing in 1990. He was just as clear then about his feeling that the meetings in which McCain participated were designed to intimidate regulators against intervening in the Keating case:
Q: What made you feel that the meeting was intimidating?
A: Well, first, the meeting itself, and the players involved. We had the whip, and he was #2 on Senate Banking. We had #3 on Senate — that’s Senator Cranston. We had #3 on Senate Banking, Senator Riegle. We had ‘recap’ pending in front of them, and the Senate by then was our only chance for recapitalization that was anything other than disastrous. We had two bona fide national heroes, in Senator Glenn and Senator McCain… I think Senator Glenn was running for the presidential nomination at that time… We all knew Senator McCain’s war record, and he was considered one of those super rising stars in the Republican who quite possibly would be a candidate for the presidency one day on the Republican standard bearer.

McCain – Phailin ’08 “THE SECOND BEST CANDIDATE LOST ALREADY”

“It may be that he got off on a technicality. He still doesn’t regret setting bombs.”
Perhaps the glove didn’t fit? But then the law did eventually catch up to O.J.
Only, what, 13% of all murderers in New Orleans get convicted. Just because our justice system is broke doesn’t make the man innocent.

Explain your associations Obama. He wouldn’t be able to pass a background check to work for the FBI, so why should he be allowed to run for President.

First at a McCain rally someone yelled out terrorist when McCain asked “Who is the real Barack Obama” and than at a Palin rally, someone emphasized Obama’s middle name Hussein. This just shows you that McCain supporters are RACISTS.

“First at a McCain rally someone yelled out terrorist when McCain asked “Who is the real Barack Obama” and than at a Palin rally, someone emphasized Obama’s middle name Hussein. This just shows you that McCain supporters are RACISTS. ”
They were Obama plants, so that he can keep his race card in play. As all else begins to fail, he will be clinging to that race card like it was a gun or a bible. Oh the irony.

I have to agree better then and debunk it than now (Thanks, Hillary??)
“I think this is a major way that Hillary’s campaign helped Obama in the general election. Ayers came out months ago due to the tough primary season. I read about Obama’s “association” with Ayers, weighed it and moved on. It’s old news now. It’s not relevant to deciding who would be a better president, has a better grasp of the issues facing America and would be best able to solve the urgent problems. “

“You would probably won’t for”
Meant would.

Mack …at that same rally with Palin, when she said terrorist, someone in the crowd yelled “kill ‘em”.
Does that not constitute a dangerous position?
Obama/Biden ’08

The question “how is this revelant?”
The relationship is revelant because nothing is public about this candidate.
Barry is the only major candidate who has been able to ride out his campaign as the guy who came from almost nowhere, thus unencumbered by the need to defend any old policies or past decisions.
For a candidate who wants to be elected PTOS, there is nothing wrong with questioning his associations.
A most secretive candidate with dubious associates.
Since I know little about what Barry has done during his tenure in the Illinois senate:
“The Obama campaign says that Sen. Obama has no state senate records to release”
“Illinois State Senate schedule — ‘not available’ ”
Nothing is mentioned Barry’s educational background :
Occidental College records — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia Thesis paper — ‘not available’
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles published — None
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None
I do know that Barry was a lawyer for ACORN, but nothing about his other clients.
Obama has not released his Rezko law records
Law practice client list — Not released
I have never seen an interview with any former friends, classmates, other attorneys or anyone
who can offer information about the “character” of Barry.
Where is the horde of reporters and lawyers descending on Chicago to investigate Obama’s decisions and dealings?
The ties between Barack Obama and terrorists Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn go back over 21 years.
The long and short of it? Barack Obama knew, and knew well, that Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn were terrorists when he met them. He just didn’t care.
Senator Obama served as a paid director to a “progressive” Chicago-area non-profit organization, the Woods Fund, from 1999 until almost 2003. William C. Ayers served with Senator Obama on the organization’s board of directors.
2001 the Woods Fund gave a $40,000 financial aid grant to a group with ties to the PLO
2002, the Woods Fund gave the Arab American Action Network a second gift of $35,000.
Senator Obama chaired the CAC from 1995 through 1999 Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) — what essentially became Mr. Ayers’ failed Leftist attempt to redesign education in Chicago schools
Woods Fund, it also made a $1,000,000 contribution to Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC)
Barack Obama, at Bill Ayers’ behest, began work in 1995 at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
From March Of 1995 Until September Of 1997, Obama And Ayers Attended At Least Seven Meetings Together Relating To The Chicago Annenberg Challenge.
NOTE: Bill Ayers Was Asked To Help Obama Formulate The Chicago Annenberg Challenge By-Laws.
In 1997, Obama Praised Ayers’ Book On The Juvenile Justice System. “The two men were involved in efforts to reform the city’s education system. They appeared together on academic panels, including one organized by Michelle Obama to discuss the juvenile justice system, an area of mutual concern. Mr. Ayers’s book on the subject won a rave review in The Chicago Tribune by Mr. Obama, who called it ‘a searing and timely account.’” (Jo Becker and Christopher Drew, “Pragmatic Politics, Forged On The South Side,” The New York Times, 5/11/08)
“[Obama And Ayers] Have Also Appeared Jointly On Two Academic Panels, One In 1997 And Another In 2001.” (Russell Berman, “Obama’s Ties To Left Come Under Scrutiny,” The New York Sun, 2/19/08)
From 1999 To 2002, Obama Served With Ayers On The Board Of Directors For Woods Fund Of Chicago. “[Ayers] served with [Obama] from 1999 to 2002 on the board of the Woods Fund
During The Time Obama And Ayers Served Together On The Woods Fund, Ayers Was Quoted Saying “I Don’t Regret Setting Bombs … I Feel We Didn’t Do Enough.”
NOTE: Obama, Born August 14th, 1961, Was 40 Years Old When Ayers Was Quoted
While Obama And Ayers Were Serving On The Woods Fund Together, Ayers Posed Standing On An American Flag For An Article In Chicago Magazine Entitled “No Regrets.”
The Weather Underground Produced A Manual Which Begins, “We Are A Guerrilla Organization. We Are Communist Women And Men, Underground In The United States For More Than Four Years.”

CrystalD you may want to add to your list the fact that obama refuses to turn over his donation records many of which are very questionable to the FEC as requested. mccain agreed to turn his over.
you may also add the unresolved judge berg verus obama issue regarding obamas citizenship new updates today regarding the ruling by the judge.
who is this guy?

I read somewhere in the good book, I think it’s in one of those famous ten commandments. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
I would think that those of you who know better ought to uphold this value. Unless you are absolutely sure, you ought to let your conscience guide your actions.

And, what if he took money from an American terrorist/bomber to give to groups to radicalize kids?

CrystalD: Well said.

Can we mention G. Gordon Liddy?
And for what it’s worth, McCain includes former IRA sympathizer Peter King among his supporters (King having switched from Giuliani, and rebranded himself as a ‘terrorism expert’ in reverse order) and would presumably glad-hand the current crop of NI pols on March 17 next year.

Communist
Declared war on the united States
Confessed to setting off bombs, said he did not do enough and wished he could of done more.
Best Friend, close personal friend for 20 years.
Worked, played, dined, and vacationed with these friends.
Their father was the like godfather of the inner circle of Chicago, handed it down to his two sons. The weathly and powerful.
I think it needs looked into
Knowing someone is a communist, knowing they were a terrorist, knowing they still felt the same now as when they set the bombs, and choose to keep the friendship is wrong on so many levels.
Any other person would not of made it this far in the race.
Especially knowing his other friends were Anti Americans and muslim supporters.

Like so many things in Washington the problem isn’t that he knows him, it is the lies about his relationship that Obama needs to address. Ayers like him or not does not make a secret of where he stands. He wears his past as a badge of honor. For Obama to deny and then minimalize their relationship is the real problem. It is this reason the American people believe that Obama has something to hide. If he has nothing to hide, then why the need to lie?

Abortion Clinic bomber—??…I doubt that a hero might emerge from whence…my thoughts about Abortion are hinged to FRAUD…and I might think that early clinics had NOT met the fraudulent characters that ecist today…but might associate bombings like pushing away the OUTSIDERS of crime..really meaning FRAUD…I doubt that Ayers has a mind about justice…and is more akin to crime and fraud.(period)

Here are some real hypothetical questions:
What if the news media was not part of the 0bama campaign and didn’t run mostly laudatory articles and editorials about 0bama? What if they weren’t doing a 24/7 hit job on Governor Palin and Senator McCain? (ABC: McCain ‘Nasty & Bitter’; CBS: He’s Going Negative to Depress Turnout) What if our U.S. ”Free Press” was actually honest in it’s reporting, had not been taken over by Communists, Socialists, and Marxists, and was not biased? What if Olbermann had to tell the truth for one brief instant?
I think the answer to these questions would be that our universe would blink out of existence from the extremely high ratio of improbability coinciding with reality. In short – fat chance.

Not a news article from a supposed news bureau. If all the so-called news media reported the news, as such, without their hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil of Obama biases, then we wouldn’t have such questions because Obama wouldn’t even be a US Senator, let alone a candidate for the presidency.

Wouldn’t it be interesting to see a Republican presidential candidate some day who was friends with and worked with David Duke?
Surely the media would ignore that story.
/sarcasm

I have no idea if any clinic bombers or doctor/nurse murderers hosted fund raisers for McCain.
I do know that in ’92 and ’93, McCain voted against making abortion clinic bombings and arson and the murders of doctors and nurses providing abortions into federal crimes. He also supported a bill that would allow those guilty of clinic-related crimes to avoid paying fines by declaring bankruptcy.
“Domestic terrorism” seems to be kind of a relative thing to the McCains of the world. As long as you support the ends, any means seem to be just fine.

Once again, the mainstream media, now Jake Tapper, tries to downplay the significance of the fact Obama was more than just “friendly” with Ayers.
Jake, look into the Annenberg records. Why did Obama first say Ayers is just some guy in the neighborhood, and now he’s back tracking? If there is nothing here, why isn’t he discussing it openly but critical of those who ask it.
THINK: OBAMA KICKED OFF HIS POLITICAL CAREER IN THE LIVING ROOM OF AN UNREPENTANT DOMESTIC TERRORIST WHO AFTER 9/11 REAFFIRMED THAT HE IS UNREPENTANT FOR HIS ACTIONS.

McCain is white..so an Ayer’s association with McCain would not have been an issue, at least with mainstream media, just as McCain’s association with Libby was not an issue, nor Keating 5 an issue with mainstream media……
until progressive bloggers started leading the charge against McCain which mainstream media eventually and unwillingly picks up in order to compete.
So these will not be issues because McCain benefits greatly from his white privilege.

Jake,
We all know the media would be all over it…

If Ayers past is so important, then why don’t someone fire him from the University?

WHY WASNT MCCAINPERSONALY TRIED FOR TREASON—-HE HAD NO PROBLEM SPREADING PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE TROOPS AND THE USA,WHEN IN NAM

Well, lets add to your story line Jake. What if McCain had gone to the same University as the abortion Clinic Bomber at the same time and there were no records of the years attending the school and no records of the years in Government at the state level. Thats exactly what we have with Obama. He spent years at Columbia University at the same time as Ayers. The two did not know each other? Also, Obama’s legislative record from his years in Illinois have somehow just disappeared. This is a man who touts his experience yet we know nothing about the years of experience he claims make him ready for the White House. Again, where has the media been. Where are the investigations?

obama is guilty of something another has done—-WHY IS MCCAIN NOT GUILTY FOR HIS PERSONAL TREASONES BEHAVIOR—SEEMS FUNNY HOW THE I WAS A POW HAS VANISHED

Hey, if someone had Obama tortured for years until he had an association with Ayers then I think we could give him a pass.
What Obama did was IN character.
McCain’s statements (as the result of being broken by repeated torture) were OUT of character. So much that he tried to kill himself in his cell after he did it.
OTOH, Obama has made every step of the way about him. It’s all about Barack. His narcissism makes Bill Clinton look like Mother Teresa.

8:07:10
First, welcoming a group to a particular geographical location (what Palin did in the ‘damning’ video) is not paramount to belonging to that group. This has been debunked completely. She never was a member of that party. Simply not true.
Secondly, having a teenage daughter who is pregnant hardly reveals a deep character flaw or a political predisposition in the parent.
But thanks for playing. You make a real nice straw man that almost combusts spontaneously.

I think all political and monetary associations linked to our elected officials should be made public. An informed and educated electorate is what makes this country great.
I think it’s very relevant that Senator Obama has had RADICAL Muslims raising money for him since 1988. questions have been raised about Obama’s student loans and Obama’s ties to a radical Muslim activist who reportedly was raising money for Obama’s Harvard studies during the years 1988 to 1991. The allegations first surfaced in late March when former Manhattan Borough president Percy Sutton told a New York cable channel that a former business partner who was “raising money” for Obama had approached him in 1988 to help Obama get into Harvard Law School. In the interview Sutton says he first heard of Obama about twenty years ago from Khalid Al-Mansour a Black Muslim and Black Nationalist who was a “mentor” to the founders of the Black Panther party at the time the party was founded in the early 1960s.

MCCAIN LIVES IN A GLASS HOUSE —OR IS IT 7 GLASSHOUSES——-IF HE WANTS TO THROW STONES THEN HE WILL GET THE TRUTH THROWN BACK AT HIM –HIS DISTRACTION WONT WORK –SOME OF US ARE A LITTLE SMARTER THAN HE IS.

I watched an international report on the state of the world economy last night.
Reports were of country after country and how each one’s economy is crashing because of the US economic mismanagement – it is worldwide. Americans sure hasn’t make any friends around the world the way the US ran things economically.
The discussion was also about how the US has had it’s day, the world power is over. The allies were shown, some in their own, parliaments, Germany for example, actually announcing the end of the American dominance and you know what the allies of America did – they CHEERED. That’s right. Of course this would never be found on an American station.
America has destroyed it’s reputation in the world because of, mainly the wars, and arm twisting in other areas. What some citizens and the current government don’t seem to get, is that Americans generally don’t look from a perspective of the outside in – they naval gaze. According to all the experts, America’s leaderhip in the world in ways that matter, is over. The goodwill is gone.
China, India and Russia will be dominating from now.
For TWO years, America was warned that it cannot afford 10 billion dollars a month to run ONE war. America was warned about the unregulated banks. We’ve heard which candidates have been warning of this for TWO YEARS.
And yet, what does the world see? America potentially electing a candidate like sarah palin who absolutely in no way can deal with the endless list of grave issues America and the world faces. We see her ranting and raging like a nut in a third world country about hateful things and we wonder – what the heck is wrong with the US? Why are they even entertaining the notion that this is a serious candidate? It is embarrassing.
And then we see John McCain, in ailing health, so out of touch with the realities of the world and the citizens – in one area alone, Iraq, if any candidate doesn’t want to get the heck out of Iraq, that should be one big red flag.
The Republicans candidate voted over and over and OVER to deregulate, he’s quite happy to stay at war and GO to war, his policies really don’t give the working poor and the middle class a bit of a foundation to get through what will be in a few months, a bad recession and possibly down the road, a world-wide depression.
How can any candidate possibly think 10 billion dollars a month is something a near bankrupt America can afford?
Unforutnately, America has had it so good for so long that there seems to be a denial about how grave the situation is.
If people truly recognized the danger the country is in, as everyone else in the world does, then there is no way, NO WAY, they would stand for a cartoonish hee haw character spewing about a bunch of nonsense – that person would not be taken seriously and booted from the stage.
It really is sad to see this happen to the US but America chose this path, you the voter, you chose bush, cheney and that party. We are all waiting to see if you now reward the whole pack with the big prize or finally punish them.
Bankrupting the country with the wars etc.:
The Republican war monger current administration and the mccain/palin ticket (“goin’ after those terrorists”) played EXACTLY into Bin Laden’s hands and Iran, China, Chavez hopes and plans.
They’ve been meeting over the years and plotting and making speeches openly – the goal is this slaying of the American empire through bankruptcy, jobs shifted elsewhere and China buying up all the gold for a while now – and the American government that voters elected got sucked right in.
There seems to be defensiveness and a “I don’t care what the world thinks” by some citizens but the fact remains, this is a global society and it does matter. The consequences are before you now.
This analysis report of the American situation within the world was quite grave and the bottom line was that America had better start to realize her cowboy politics has dreadfully backfired (deny or not) and the economy, the American strength, is over. The good will is gone. There are things that matter beyond the US borders believe it or not.

The coverage of this campaign reminds me of the same poor coverage of the run-up to the Iraq War. The media was so afraid of being called unpatriotic that they never investigated anything the Bush administration said. Now they are so afraid of being labeled racist they are handling Obama with kid gloves. Certainly, we have heard about Obama/Rezko, but what other candidate would get away with saying it was a “bone headed mistake” and that was the end of it? Bill Clinton would have been hammered. Speaking of Bill Clinton, I am still waiting for the media to explain to me why using the term fairytale is racist. Nobody ever asked anyone to explain. If anyone else had said typical white person it would have been in the headlines for weeks, but all I get is Chris Mathew’s tingling legs. The media keeps telling me how intelligent obama is but he has no academic writings to prove this statement so what is it based upon? Why has no one asked Oprah why she eviscerated James Frey because he lied in his book, but nothing about the lies in Obama’s autobiography. Once again the news people aren’t doing their job and the American people might pay for it.

Jake Tapper always gives objective facts and poses subjective positions to force you to analyze, how at times. the majority of the media do not consider.

CNN, of all places….CNN has said Obama lied about his friendship with William Ayres. That the relationship goes further, then just mere acquaintances, that served on a few boards together.
The coming out party for Obama, held at the Ayres home, was planned by Ayres and Obama. Not a mutual third party, and 2 people at said party said Obama lied about that.
2 former FBI agents, said that because Ayres is unrepentant for these crimes,would still make him a dangerous person in their opinions.

Medical costs have increase so much it’s almost impossible to afford my medical care, even with insurance. My medical bills have wiped out our savings and my wife’s 401K has lost over 30% of it’s value in the last year. And you studpid republicans want to argue about Ayers.
You fools are in insult to humanity.

Glen asks:
“Thats exactly what we have with Obama. He spent years at Columbia University at the same time as Ayers. The two did not know each other?”
hey – I lived in the same city as Obama AND Ayers – and didn’t know either – does that make me a liar too?

“Why has no one asked Oprah why she eviscerated James Frey because he lied in his book, but nothing about the lies in Obama’s autobiography.”

If – Jake’s hypothetical was true, I think Obama would be just as out of line attacking McCain as McCain is attacking Obama. We cannot be responsible for the political views or even law-abiding tendencies for everyone we meet, certainly when their record is far in the past and their current views are on matters that have no connection to the association. ———– Now turn it around. What if Obama had something like involvement in the Keating Five and S&L collapse in his background — or adultery and kicking-aside a loyal wife who was no longer pretty. Do you think , for a moment, that McCain and Palin would civilly ignore the private matter and bring up the past public history of unethical behavior affecting the financial fortunes of millions of citizens only after they were unfairly made the target of smears regarding guilt by association? Answer honestly.