By Julia Hoppock

Oct 2, 2008 10:48am

Awkward!

As the Senate voted on the economic rescue bill after 9 p.m. in D.C. last night, Congressional Quarterly’s David Nather was watching the Senate floor (I was doing the West Coast update for "World News with Charles Gibson") and he reports that Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., was talking to his fellow Democratic senators on their side of the aisle and then walked over to the Republican side of the aisle to where Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was talking to Sens. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., and Joe Lieberman, I-Conn.

Nather writes that Obama "stretched out his arm and offered his hand to McCain. McCain shook it, but with a ‘go away’ look that no one could miss. He tried his best not to even look at Obama. Finally, with a tight smile, McCain managed a greeting: ‘Good to see you.’ Obama got the message. He shook hands with Martinez and Lieberman — both of whom greeted him more warmly — and quickly beat a retreat back to the Democratic side."

- jpt

User Comments

I really don’t get what Obama has done to earn such hatred from McCain. McCain couldn’t even look at him for one second during the debate.
My take on it is that McCain has become ashamed of his own conduct. It’s not Obama he’s refusing to look at; it’s McCain circa 2000.

Posted by: Rocky | October 2, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

McCain’s inability to look Obama in the eye, during the debate or otherwise, speaks VOLUMES!
What is he hiding?

Posted by: Deep Release | October 2, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

McCain needs some therapy. Why does he demonize his opponents? How is he going to negotiate with difficult people in this world if he can’t even bear to look at Obama! War is what gets this man excited (he also gets creepily excited when talking about Ms. Palin).

Posted by: Farah | October 2, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

McCain is a small, small man

Posted by: whosyer dady | October 2, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

I seriously can’t believe the media would try to stir the pot when it comes to a matter of such importance to our country and financial stability.

Posted by: namebrandx | October 2, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

You would think at McCain’s age he would be more mature. How pathetic! If he can’t look in Obama’s eyes how can he look in the American’s eyes and see the real problems we face? The sad fact is he can’t.

Posted by: Enviro | October 2, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

What you won’t lay at Obama’s feet you have to lay at his supporter’s. This has become a mean, nasty campaign and the intimidation tactics endorsed by Obama have created an atmosphere of animosity that won’t be dissolved by a few Obama don’t-worry-be-happy speeches.

Posted by: len | October 2, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

This is not good for McCain. Whatever his feelings are about Obama (and they may be even be valid), as President, you have to deal with people you don’t necessarily like or respect. This a crucial component of diplomacy and even day-to-day governance. McCain is acting like a 7-year-old child. The fact that he won’t even look at him is so damaging to those independent and swing voters, and I don’t think McCain even realizes how damaging it is. The nation needs healing and conciliation, not pouting and grudge lists.

Posted by: Laura Brown | October 2, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

Wish we had a video of McGrouchy’s behavior. It must be hard for him though, knowing he’s going to lose.

Posted by: dem in chicago | October 2, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

The reason Mccain CAN’T look Barack in the FACE .. its the simple fact he is totally ashamed of the LIES in his Ads he has running against Obama .
its one of those’ boy i need for the floor to open and swallow me up.. i am so ASHAME.

Posted by: sam | October 2, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

What a big baby he is. You can tell he is another Bush… “someone who will not listen to anyone..someone who will do what they want when they want regardless the damage and outcome of it towards the American people.”

Posted by: beck | October 2, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am

earmarks

Posted by: beck | October 2, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

The reason Mccain CAN’T look Barack in the FACE .. its the simple fact he is totally ashamed of the LIES in his Ads he has running against Obama .
its one of those’ boy i need for the floor to open and swallow me up.. i am so ASHAME.

Posted by: sam | October 2, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

erratic, angry, childish. so many qualities that we look for in a president! country first!

Posted by: sp | October 2, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

Obama is an empty cup and the lib media is filling it with all the Kool aid they can make up. The sad part is most Americans cant think on thier own to realize it.

Posted by: Go McCain | October 2, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

mccain is slowly getting more and more angry
he once came on shows and was laughing and making jokes
but after the debate where he couldnt even look at obama
he freaked out at the des moine register
this morning he was freaking out on morning joe
i mean… what is going on here, this guy is losing his mind
hes looking erratic and confused like when he didnt know where to exit the stage yesterday
scary stuff we dont need someone like this near the white house

Posted by: Bhrandon | October 2, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Sam, quit with the “McCain is ashamed of his bad behavior” meme. I get so tired of people giving him a break for every nasty thing he does under the guise of how, deep down, he’s such an honorable man!
Honorable people behave honorably. McCain has not and therefore he is not.
He can’t look at Obama because he believes Obama is not a worthy opponent; he’s angry that he’s running against someone he sees as inferior. And the fact that he’s losing to him only makes things worse.
McCain behaves like a creep . . . because he is a creep!

Posted by: Yvonne | October 2, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

McCain: Portrait of a Defeated Man

Posted by: PolarBear08 | October 2, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Does anyone remember when Clayton Williams was running for governor against Ann Richards in Texas? They were at an event when Williams refused to shake Richards’ hand … he looked like a buffoon and it turned a lot of people off. Richards won the election and credited that moment in turning the tide in her favor.
What has happened to civility? What would it have cost him to shake the man’s hand, said something pleasant and then gotten on with his business?

Posted by: a small town girl | October 2, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Obama knew how much garbage the Democrats add to this bill to get passed.
Obama in your face attittude is something no one should have to deal with.
Obama knows he just sold out the people again.
A Smug Obama in your face style is something no one should ever have to deal with.
So when it would of been better to give each american 200,000 They bought off the CEO’s and bought up the mortages to sell again.
You will have to shake obama’s and pelosis hand next time you see them.

Posted by: ah_heck | October 2, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

How could McCain possibly work with a Democratic majority in Congress if he became President? I just don’t see the “bipartisanship” in him that he always talks about.

Posted by: cincyr | October 2, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

“Obama “stretched out his arm and offered his hand to McCain. McCain shook it, but with a ‘go away’ look that no one could miss.”

Posted by: Belle Starr | October 2, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Wow, you folks will latch onto anything, won’t you? Democrats sure love to talk about how “open-minded” and absolutely free of any sort of prejudice they are, but all of the lily-white ones here seem to believe you can tell everything you need to know about someone’s character by witnessing – no, by reading a story about – a momentary exchange he has with his political adversary. I expect an attack ad from the Obama camp containing shocking footage of the awkward handshake by the end of the week. The rest of you, get back to work!

Posted by: Dave | October 2, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Give it a rest Len. We all know that BOTH sides have been nasty and mean.
Trying to say “Obama is the only one at fault” shows you are either a complete liar, or you are willing to forgive ANY sin your candidate commits.
Grow up.

Posted by: Greg | October 2, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

This is how McCain treated Romney. I think it’s sad.

Posted by: Vanessa | October 2, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Here is a question? when the liberal Treasurer came up with his plan did anyone in congress get a second opinion, I mean the average person shops around for lets say a car to get a better deal, has Congress and the dems that got us into this mess talk to economists or are they still riding blind by the saying of the secretary who a few months ago said everything was fine!
I do not blame McCain for giving Obama a cold shoulder, Obama has been under handly insulting McCains Patriotism and Obama has been spewing out lie after lie like the politicians of old!
So Obama has broken his promise again!!
If he wins what else will he break yes the first amendment!!

Posted by: spock | October 2, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Colbert made a joke of McCain doing this tongue-jutting thing, like a reptile, lately when he is speaking. Turns out it may be more than a joke. Keep an eye out-
Joe Navarro, former FBI and poker guru has this to say about the non-verbal behavior: Tongue-jutting behavior is a gesture used by people who think they have gotten away with something or are “caught” doing something. I have seen this behavior in flea markets both in the United States and in Russia, among street vendors in Lower Manhattan, at poker tables in Las Vegas, and in business meetings. In each case, the person made the gesture – tongue between the teeth without touching the lips – at the conclusion of some sort of a deal or as a final nonverbal statement. This behavior has several meanings – depending on specific situations – but is usually associated with one of these: I got caught (taking candy from a drawer), gleeful excitement (look at what I just did, Mom), I got away with something (and I didn’t get caught), I did something foolish, or I am naughty.

Posted by: Paige | October 2, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

McCain was angry at George W Bush/Karl Rove for years. Finally “let it go” to try to win in an election. Now, sold his soul to right wing “mega ditto” crew, and has new person to be angry at – Obama.

Posted by: Lisa S | October 2, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

“One is kind of surprised McCain didn’t give this hothouse phony a punch in the tummy.”
Yes a 72 year old man who is so scarred by injury he can’t use a computer is going to “beat up” a athletic man 25 years his junior.
Delusional and immature at the same time….ladies and gentlemen I present the right wing.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Why is McCain so angry at Obama?
I mean its not like Obama hired a man that smeared his adopted daughter in a bitter election 8 years ago.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

Obama is owned and paid for by the left wing Marxist group of the Democrat party.

Posted by: spock | October 2, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

“Obama is owned and paid for by the left wing Marxist group of the Democrat party.”
Spock got 5 McCain points for this.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

“I don’t think me calling House Republican members would have been that helpful. I tend not to be that persuasive on that side of the aisle.”
- Barack Obama, acknowledging he doesn’t know how to do bipartisanship and that his whole post-partisan gestalt is about as fact-based as the Easter Bunny. H/T Dean Barnett

Posted by: The Dude | October 2, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Two Jakes – O’Reilly has a non-verbal segment on after every debate and major interview that is very popular. The art of any successful negotiation is reading the non-verbal cues.

Posted by: Paige | October 2, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Joe Navarro spent over twenty-five years with the FBI, working both as an agent and as a supervisor in the area of counterintelligence and counterterrorism.
Through his work, he has become one of the foremost authorities on reading the nonverbal communications that human beings exhibit when they are lying.

Posted by: Paige | October 2, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

“What has happened to civility?”
That went out the door with Obama giving the finger to Hillary Clinton, the brush off and the inability to address any of his opponents with respect by their titles even when he is accorded such respect.
Thug tactics take their toll on an election and a country.

Posted by: len | October 2, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

“That went out the door with Obama giving the finger to Hillary Clinton, the brush off and the inability to address any of his opponents with respect by their titles even when he is accorded such respect.”
Why would McCain care about Hillary?
Some lady called Hillary a b%&$# to his face and he laughed.
And its funny you mention the debate and Obama calling McCain “John”.
You know when McCain wouldn’t even look him in the eye.
Obama is genial even in disagreement, McCain is bitter and nasty.
Its going to be a great day in this country when the McCain campaign goes down in flames on election day.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

“Thug tactics take their toll on an election and a country.”
Hey len,
If you’re so concerned about thug tactics how come you never correct any of the thuggish comments by people supporting McCain?
Could it be your concern is less than sincere?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Do you have enough McCain points yet for a T-shirt or are you holding out for the handbag, Two Jakes?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

Obama is making many enemies in Washington because those closest to him see what an empty suit showboat he really is and they despise him.

Posted by: OxyCon | October 2, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

It’s not as if McCain’s temper tantrums are new news. Senator Thad Cochran of Mississippi said, “He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me.”
After Senator Barbara Boxer began making an issue of it, Cochran claimed that McCain was trying to control his temper. Based on his interview with the Des Moine Register and his floor encounter with Senator Obama, it looks like he still has his work cut out for him.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 2, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

“If you’re so concerned about thug tactics how come you never correct any of the thuggish comments by people supporting McCain?”
That’s your job, Ryan. Do it as politely as you can. After the election, we may have to work together on fixing the mess Obama created with his insistence that his supporters get in people’s faces. Or the emergency room attendants will. Whatever.

Posted by: len | October 2, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

“That’s your job, Ryan. Do it as politely as you can”
Len,
If you really want civility you cannot lecture one side while ignore the other.
If you truly feel that way, you should realize a rebuke from you to another right winger would carry much more weight than a rebuke from me.
I just doubt you truly feel that way.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

“Obama is making many enemies in Washington because those closest to him see what an empty suit showboat he really is and they despise him.”
Obama approaches 3 Senators, 2 greet him warmly, one acts like a jerk.
In the right wing mind this means Obama is making enemies.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

You first. I dare you. I double dog dare you. (oh to be a kid!)
Ryan, you haven’t been on this blog or at least under that name for most of the election. I’ve actually done what you ask. I haven’t seen you do it once. You are all advocacy and no diplomacy.
Don’t doubt what you don’t understand.

Posted by: len | October 2, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

Hey len,
Look how your side reacted to Kathleen Parker’s column about Palin and explain to me how this is Obama’s fault
“WASHINGTON — Allow me to introduce myself. I am a traitor and an idiot. Also, my mother should have aborted me and left me in a Dumpster, but since she didn’t, I should “off” myself.
Those are just a few nuggets randomly selected from thousands of e-mails written in response to my column suggesting that Sarah Palin is out of her league and should step down.
Who says public discourse hasn’t deteriorated?
The fierce reaction to my column has been both bracing and enlightening. After 20 years of column writing, I’m familiar with angry mail. But the past few days have produced responses of a different order. Not just angry, but vicious and threatening.”
Oh look at who urged his dittoheads
On his popular radio show, conservative Sherpa Rush Limbaugh has recently been inveighing against the “conservative” panjandrum who have metastasized into nothing more than a bunch of skeevy scribblers who have quickly jumped ship on Sarah Palin.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

I wouldn’t want to shake Obama’s hand either.
“[Obama] posed for report pictures with the staff when he apparently felt his phone start to vibrate in his pocket on his right thigh – against which one woman was closely pressed.
“Now that’s my phone buzzing there,” he said, drawing a laugh. “I don’t want you to think I’m getting fresh or anything.”
EWW
McCain-Palin 2008
*Before a “moderator” deletes this, this blog posts silly stuff. CNN deemed this silly, okay.

Posted by: John | October 2, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

“Ryan, you haven’t been on this blog or at least under that name for most of the election.”
That’s true I came here probably right around the Dem convention
“I’ve actually done what you ask.”
“I haven’t seen you do it once. You are all advocacy and no diplomacy.”
I never made calls for civility len, let alone on sided calls like you do.
I am aware of the reality that right wingers are vicious bullies that need to be confronted.
Look at how they treat a conservative writer who goes against type?
Your response is akin to telling a battered woman not to hit back as it will only make it worse.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

I would agree with you, Ryan. That sort of reply doesn’t promote civil discourse. The problem of calming down the right is Obama teaching his surrogages and supporters to use radical street tactics. While I think fighting fire with fire burns down the forest, sometimes burning the rubbish ahead of the fire has its useful application.
Keep in mind, I’m not a Republican even if you can’t wrap your mind around the fact that many Democrats can’t sign up for Obama. A primary reason for PUMA is the way Obama treated Hillary Clinton. Winning by thug tactics means we lose the very values we prize.
I was blogging about the problem of civility and the nutjob right wingers even before Bush II. I refer to it as the value of values. If we continuously feed violent emotions back into the web, it becomes a violent place and since the tools shape the culture, promotes a violent culture.
Then there’s hell to pay. You called that “unhinged”. I know it to be the wisdom of experience, not wisdom of the crowd, an oxymoron if ever there was one.
I repeat: when this is all done, we will still face the same problems. Hopefully, by that time, we won’t have inflicted so many insults that we’ll preserve the problems for the opportunities they enable to continue the same mode of discourse.
Conflict is pleasurable. Nature wires us for that. It takes enlightened self-examination to rewire that.

Posted by: len | October 2, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

At this point McCain will be lucky to win Georgia and Mississippi! What a loser!

Posted by: Pete | October 2, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

“Ryan C, atleast Kathleen just got hate mail. Had she written the same thing about 0bama, 0bama would’ve order his Truth Squads to descend on her and she either would’ve been Vince Fostered or put in prison.”
LOL, wow Concerned is so flustered he had to go back to the REALLY old material.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

perhaps Obama was hopin MCCain would leave so he could yell at Leiberman again

Posted by: geevill | October 2, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

ask Hillary Clinton about Obama’s lack of manners.

Posted by: geevill | October 2, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

“Keep in mind, I’m not a Republican even if you can’t wrap your mind around the fact that many Democrats can’t sign up for Obama. A primary reason for PUMA is the way Obama treated Hillary Clinton. Winning by thug tactics means we lose the very values we prize”
Len,
I was a Hillary supporter and we gave as good as we got.
We went after the media, we went after Obama supporters, we fought every battle tooth and nail. Its been hard to reconcile with some Obama supporters whom I crossed swords with though for the most part bygones are bygones.
I love Hillary but she listened to that weasel Penn and decided not to build her ground game until it was far too late.
And that cost her the nomination.
I did like Obama though as I liked most of the Dem nominees.
So after a few weeks away from the fray, I decided to support Obama.
The more I see him the more I like him.
The more I see his campaign, the better I feel about our chances to win the White House.
Obama telling people to stand up against lies is not wrong len.
Its something every American should be doing.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Concerned in Ohio -
Pls. stop peddling this Acorn and CRA nonsense. It’s simply not true and it ignores the role that Wall St. greed and manic deregulation played in creating this mess.
The CRA was established in the 70′s to counter red lining of urban neighborhoods and rural small towns. Credit worthy loan applicants were denied loans simply because of where they lived. CRA regulations were tightened up in 2004 and a recent analysis showed that 75% of the subprime loans came from financial institutions that had no connection to the CRA.
As for Acorn, Rep. Frank has said that there is absolutely no funding for Acorn in the House legislation.
It’s unbelievable that The Right Wing is trying to lay the blame for this Wall St. mess at the door of minorities and the poor. Distract, distort and divide.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 2, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Sen McCain is quickly becoming a “Dirty Old Man”.
When Sen Obama is President you can bet Sen McCain will not be on the White House’s “A” List.

Posted by: Ranger Phx | October 2, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm

Ryan C
Enemies with McCain? Didn’t Lieberman and Obama have a fight but they greeted each other warmly. More like McCain making enemies and infusing Presidential Politics into Congress.

Posted by: MM | October 2, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

October 1st is the day McCain started airing Rev. Wright ads. I guess he ran out of things to run on? A Democrat hasn’t won in Virginia in quite a while, but Obama is pulling ahead in both Virginia and North Carolina.

Posted by: MM | October 2, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

“Enemies with McCain? Didn’t Lieberman and Obama have a fight but they greeted each other warmly. More like McCain making enemies and infusing Presidential Politics into Congress”
MM,
I am unsure what you are talking about here.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm

McCain is now pulling out of Michigan.
Tonite could be the coup de grace for the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

RYAN said:
Len,
I was a Hillary supporter and we gave as good as we got.
We went after the media, we went after Obama supporters, we fought every battle tooth and nail. Its been hard to reconcile with some Obama supporters whom I crossed swords with though for the most part bygones are bygones.
I love Hillary but she listened to that weasel Penn and decided not to build her ground game until it was far too late.
And that cost her the nomination.
I did like Obama though as I liked most of the Dem nominees.
So after a few weeks away from the fray, I decided to support Obama.
The more I see him the more I like him.
The more I see his campaign, the better I feel about our chances to win the White House.
Obama telling people to stand up against lies is not wrong len.
Its something every American should be doing.
______________________________________
Well Ryan, nice try both good and original. Sadly, what was good was not original and what was original was not good. Seeing the above from the ever so obvious Ryan C. feigning, that he was a Hillary supporter is like watching Jake Tapper being vetted for the Pulitzer Prize in Journalism. Neither ever did or ever will happen.

Posted by: The Two Jakes | October 2, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm

Yes Two Jakes, I was a Hillary supporter.
Supported her husband in 92 & 96.
Supported both of her Senate runs.
Supporter her run for the nomination.
Voted for her on Super Tuesday.
Realized the race was likely over in Wisconsin.
Fought until PA.
And now I support Obama.
Perhaps you can point to an instance where I declared I would not support Hillary because the opinion of a sociopath like you doesn’t carry much weight

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm

Someone has way too much time. Expecting a french kiss…sheesh…where’s the news?

Posted by: Captain America | October 2, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm

I’ll take your word for that, Ryan. I can’t transition from Hillary to Obama because he’s a Democrat anymore than it makes sense to transition from Hillary to Palin because they are both women. The means make a difference. Obama has a long history of tactics that break all deals as far as I am concerned.
So given a choice, I am not necessarily voting for McCain although I might. I like Palin and I respect McCain. I know that a minority president trying to live up to his family’s reputation and a hockey mom smart enough to become a State Governor have a chance of doing the right thing and not overdoing the wrong thing.
But my reason for being here? I am fighting the tactics that are turning the Democrats into Republicans and the Republicans into the Nazis.
If the election goes to either side as it will, we’ll get by. But if we turn ourselves into deceitful chumps for either side, both sides lose. I don’t give a fig for the politics. It’s two rich classes both using us, but I care very deeply that the America I believe in survives for my children’s children. Call it moronic or simple minded or naive or uneducated, but it is the one thing in the race I think is worth fighting for.
“I’ll have the monster burger. Oh by the way, is that fresh monster?”

Posted by: len | October 2, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

“I’ll take your word for that, Ryan. I can’t transition from Hillary to Obama because he’s a Democrat anymore than it makes sense to transition from Hillary to Palin because they are both women.”
Len,
You could slip a piece of paper in the differences in the two’s policies and goals so its more than Democrat yellow doggism.
Though I understand if for you its a matter of campaign style.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm

McCain has an ornery personality….Not one to make friends…..that is why he is a maverick….No one really likes working with him..not even his own party…That is why his friends include outcasts like Joe Lieberman….My personal feeling is that no one will really for McCain. They will either vote for or against Obama.

Posted by: indy_voter | October 2, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Life just isn’t fair….The media calls me on my lies, now. The economy is tanking and I can’t remember how many houses I have…Wah….Life is not fair…..Wah…..Oh that Liberal, whipper snapper.

Posted by: McWhiner | October 2, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Ryan:
Not just the style, but the effects of the style cycle after cycle. It diminishes us. It has turned us into Red States and Blue States. I have to believe we can do better.
Think about this: at the beginning of the Democratic primaries, all parties more or less promised to run a healthier election than those run previously. Even McCain was talking this line.
Here at the end of it, it is one of the more vicious elections I remember this side of Alabama gubernatorial politics in the 1960s.
Why is that? What is it that makes us turn so mean so fast despite our best intentions? Maybe we need to start understanding it and ask ourselves if we can do better, or if the politics of the playground sandbox are all America is capable of achieving.
We have the best country in the world. We have the resources. We have the media. We have the constitution. Why do we always come back Nah Nah Nah Boo Boo?

Posted by: len | October 2, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

Funny the Bots are out in force condemning McCain – but refused to see anything wrong with Obama’s famous ignoring of Hillary in the Senate. I’m sure you can find the video on the web if you don’t know what I’m talking about.

Posted by: marylou | October 2, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

“quickly beat a retreat back to the Democratic side.”
JPT what exactly constitutes “quickly beat a retreat” ? Given that Barack made the contact it would seem clear that your choice of words seem far from appropriate, accurate, factual or true!

Posted by: James | October 2, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm

“Funny the Bots are out in force condemning McCain – but refused to see anything wrong with Obama’s famous ignoring of Hillary in the Senate.”
Funny the RWBots are out in force defending McCain refusing to see anything wrong with his actions today while bringing up incidents that are months old.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 2, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm

Question ?
Why was my post Oct 2, 2008 4:45:35 PM
edited ??? Post is not as submited ???

Posted by: James | October 2, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Concerned in Ohio -
Pls. stop peddling this Acorn and CRA nonsense. It’s simply not true and it ignores the role that Wall St. greed and manic deregulation played in creating this mess.
_________
Don’t blame it all on deregulation….
And hile associating greed with “Acorn”, don’t dismiss the dirty money and unsavory deals which attached themselves to Obama during the course of his political career and went on to pepper
his unsavory real estate associates with equally their equally lucrative barrel of “pork”.
It began way back when in his days as a

Posted by: klondike kate | October 2, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm

I agree, that congeniality is a must, but that goes for both sides. You just can’t have it both ways.
I get this feeling Obama has a hard time understanding that there are possibly people out there that don’t buy his every word, or believe everything he says.

Posted by: Jeanie | October 2, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

Good for McCain. How do you recognize something that was made up?

Posted by: RL in Illinois | October 2, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm

Sounds like McCain is a SORE LOSER.

Posted by: JC | October 2, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm

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