Axelrod on Ayers, Keating, and John McCain: ‘The Bigger the Challenges We Face, the Smaller Their Campaign Gets’
David Axelrod, the senior adviser to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., came back on the campaign plane this morning — O Force One — to chat about the debate and to set expectations (low for his boss, high for Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.)
Axelrod said Obama is prepared for McCain — who’s been attacking Obama’s character very directly this week, calling Obama a liar and a hypocrite, his running mate saying Obama is "palling around with terrorists" — to keep that tone at tonight’s town hall meeting.
McCain has "signaled to his supporters that he’s going to be very aggressive," Axelrod said, "that he’s going to take the gloves off.”
Obama wants to talk to Americans about the economy, said the adviser.
"We’re going to talk about that, we’re going to talk about the issues that are important to the American people. But we’re prepared for a very aggressive debate.”
Is Obama prepared to talk about his relationship with former Weather Underground member/current education professor William Ayers, the previously mentioned "terrorist" that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin has been attacking Obama for knowing?
“The senator is going to be prepared to speak to whatever comes up if Sen. McCain or anyone else chooses to bring that up," Axelrod said. "If that comes up he’ll be ready to discuss that, but one hopes that the focus of this debate will be the issues that touch on the lives of the American people.”
Palin has been attacking Obama for comments Axelrod made that ran on CNN yesterday suggesting that when Obama first met with Ayers at his home in 1995, he didn’t know the professor’s history. The Alaska governor has been blurring what Axelrod said to make it seem as though Obama was claiming that he didn’t know about Ayers’ history until recently, which is not what Axelrod said. Not that there’s been any clear explanation of this relationship forthcoming from the Obama campaign.
So, when did Obama find out that Ayers had been a member of an organization the FBI called a "domestic terrorist" group, and had been, for years, a fugitive from the law?
“I don’t know," Axelrod said. "I mean it was sometime after their first meetings. And you know, he became aware of it. I don’t know the exact moment.”
He wasn’t aware of who "Ayers" was?
"Yeah," Axelrod said, "I mean, the fact is that like a lot of people who, you know, didn’t live through that era — particularly those who didn’t live though that era in Chicago — It just wasn’t. I mean, when he came to Chicago, Ayers was advising Mayor Daley on school reform issues, and that was his profile, was that he was an expert on education."
So, did he know who Ayers was when he went to his home in 1995?
“My understanding is that when he went there, he did not," Axelrod said.
Reporters noticed that clause — "my understanding is" — and pressed further. Did Axelrod ask Obama if he knew Ayers’ history when he first met with him?
"Yes," Axelrod said.
And he did not know?
"Yes," Axelrod said. "That’s what I’ve said –- I answered the question when I was asked the other day. But no one’s suggesting that he never knew. I mean that’s not — we weren’t offering that. I wasn’t offering it -– I was asked a question that you just asked me and just answered it. I wasn’t making an argument about it."
Axelrod said that Obama is expecting attacks tonight.
"He understands where this campaign is at and rarely has a campaign been as explicit as the McCain campaign has been about what their tactics are all about," said the adviser. "They essentially announced to newspapers that they feel like, if this campaign is a discussion of the economic crisis facing America, then he’ll lose and that they need to try to create a distraction to divert the discussion from the economy.”
But isn’t Obama fighting mud with mud by brining up McCain’s history with the Keating Five scandal?
"The Keating case is pretty germane to the discussion we’re having right now," Axelrod said. "The Keating issue was one in which Sen. McCain intervened with regulators on behalf of a financial institution that ultimately collapsed and the taxpayers were left holding the bill. Many, many people lost their savings, their homes, and so on. So, it is a germane issues, it’s not an abstraction. Now look, are there broader issues that need to be discussed? Yes and we’re discussing them. We’re the campaign that’s actually running positive ads. The McCain campaign doesn’t even pretend to make a case for John McCain anymore, they’re running all negative ads.”
Will Obama bring up Keating tonight?
“I don’t think he’ll shy away from a discussion of it if it comes up," Axelrod said. “The American people know who’s running a positive campaign about the future of the country, about the change we need, and who’s desperately throwing lefts and rights hoping to score a knockout because he thinks he’s behind in the game."
McCain, Axelrod said, has "turned to plan B, which is to throw as much negative out there as possible — to send his vice presidential candidate out there as a kind of tip of the spear in this negative campaign.”
Axelrod said the GOP-pushed controversy about Obama’s small donors — that some of them have kicked in so many small donations, they’ve exceeded maximum limits, and questions about whether some of them are non U.S. citizens — is another distraction. McCain discloses the names of donors who give less than $200; Obama does not.
"I know Sen. McCain may not know this," Axelrod said, "but you can get on the Internet — actually, you can get on anywhere in the world. That’s the thing about the Internet. And you can buy a t-shirt wherever they live … and we monitor those things as best we can."
Axelrod said it is "unbelievable … given the times in which we live and the problems that we face, that this is how they are spending their time as a campaign. It seems like the bigger the challenges we face, the smaller their campaign gets.”
The Obama senior strategist said that the reason Palin has been campaigning in Nebraska, Florida, and North Carolina is because the McCain-Palin campaign is "being offensive but they’re not really playing offense. They’re playing defense." But he insisted the Obama campaign isn’t overconfident.
"Obviously, we like the position that we’re in, but we understand that we have to battle every day … If I took the polls to heart, I would have jumped off a tall building about a year ago when we were 30 points behind during the nomination, so we don’t get too intoxicated when the polls are encouraging.”
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A federal investigation is being opened into the actions and comments of Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott at a rally for Gov. Sarah Palin in Estero on Monday.
Erica S. Hamrick, senior attorney at the U.S. Office of Special Counsel, wrote in to complainant Carl Spackler that due to his complaint, her office will be investigating under the Hatch Act, which governs political activities of certain elected officials.
The complainant stated the sheriff violated that act because the sheriff’s office receives federal money, engaged in political activity while on duty, engaged in political activity while in uniform, wore political buttons while on duty and used political influence or authority to interfere with an election.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
So we are supposed to believe that Obama didnt know who Ayers was when he went to his house to start his political career?
Posted by: Keepyourheelsdown | October 7, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
Jake- Did any reporters ask Axelrod why he said (in February) that Obama and Ayers were friendly because their kids go to school together (they don’t).
Did any reporters ask Axelrod why we’ve never heard Obama mention his work on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge?
Quote from JPT: Axelrod said the GOP-pushed controversy about Obama’s small donors — that some of them have kicked in so many small donations they’ve exceeded maximum limits, and questions about whether some of them are non U.S. citizens — is another distraction. McCain discloses the name of donors who give less than $200; Obama does not.
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How in the world is that a distraction?
Posted by: MayBee | October 7, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Stop avoiding and just answer the questions already.
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
Palin accused Obama of exploiting the health care and Social Security issues to win votes among seniors in Florida.
“Our health-care plan will give millions of middle class Americans access to better health-care coverage without costing you a dime,” she said, saying middle class families would receive a $5,000 tax credit to buy coverage.
How can she say that with a straight face? Has she not read McCain’s health care plan. It is paid for by taxing employer provided health care plans and cutting funding for Medicare and Medicaid. And McCain wanted to privatize social security. Thank God that did not happen we would all be in an even bigger world of hurt now that the market is tanking.
McCain, you have been on a US Govt health plan your entire life….but nobody else should have that benefit.
Posted by: becky | October 7, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Obama did not know Ayres history, just like Obama did not know what Wright was saying for 20 years in his church. Are you kidding me? Common Jake, man-up and challenge these people!
The truth is Obama knowingly associated with America haters and terrorists to further his political career.
Who is going to be in his administration? Are we going to have old Weather Underground and SDS types trapsing through the Whitehouse? Very convenient for them if they decide they want to commit a little mayhem.
Posted by: David H | October 7, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Let not forget Sarah Palin association’s with the radical Alaska Independence Party that wants to secede from this great country, the United States of America.
And here is a quote from Alaskan Independence Party founder Joe Voegler:
“The fires of Hell are frozen glaciers compared to my hatred for the American government, and I won’t be buried under their damn flag!”
I wonder how Palin explains her husband”s verified membership in the “ALASKIAN INDEPENDENCE PARTY?” Seems she doesn”t believe in the UNITED States of America, does she??
“John McCain sat on the board of…the U.S. Council for World Freedom,” said Begala, “The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League – the parent organization – which ADL said ‘has increasingly become a gathering place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.’”
But McCain’s involvement in the U.S. Council for World Freedom, which extended from 1981 through, possibly, 1986 is significant — not merely because it ties him to unsavory characters but because it firmly associates him with a foreign policy that was, at the time and still, controversial.
MCCAIN/PALIN ARE NOT FOR THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES!
Posted by: becky | October 7, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Does anyone take David Asselrod seriously?
This guy is the author of two questionable figures (Duval Patrick and “The One”), lives in Hyde Park along with Obama’s other neighbors, Louis Farrakhan, Billy Ayers, etc.
Oh, yea, the Obama campaign wants to talk about the economy. Ignore suspect character and background, and ignore Billy Ayers, The Chicago Way, Rev. Wright, etc.
McCain-Palin are addressing the economy, will continue to do so, but when the opposition says, “the American people want…” it really means “stop before you overtake our campaign.”
Posted by: Captain America | October 7, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
yeah, Keepyourheelsdown :
like he didn’t know Wright said those things, that pfleger was “like” that and yeah, ayers?….just some dude he knew down the street…..
who he happened to have spent 100 MILLION DOLLARS with, to fund, ACORN, WRIGHT’Church, PFELGER’s Church and programs to promote more segregation among the races…….
axelrod’s mouth is his but(t)
Posted by: carpenter.nyc | October 7, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
“Who is going to be in his administration? Are we going to have old Weather Underground and SDS types trapsing through the Whitehouse? Very convenient for them if they decide they want to commit a little mayhem.”
I’m sure that he will appoint these radicals to high level cabinet positions. Who is going to stop him?
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
“In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric’s questions for her “less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media.” At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, “Sit down, boy.”
Posted by: Reason | October 7, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Quick Timeline–
Obama started working with Ayers on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge in March 1995.
The meeting at Ayers’s house was in late 1995.
The two men had already met several times before Ayres had the political gathering for Obama.
Posted by: MayBee | October 7, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm
“The two men had already met several times before Ayres had the political gathering for Obama.”
Of course he knew him. Ayers is considered a hero in Obama’s neck of the woods.
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Who will mccain appoint in his cabinet his mafia friends his lobbysits buddies better yet maybe mccain will appoint sara and first dudes ANTI-american FRIENDS from alaska or maybe sara will just call her witch pastor and clean up washington who knows anything is possible with these two!
Posted by: angie | October 7, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
Obama’s gonna win. Just get used to it you crazy wingnuts.
Posted by: JJ | October 7, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
“… wrote in to complainant Carl Spackler that due to his complaint, …”
Carl Spackler? He’s come a long way from:
“Cinderella story. Outta nowhere. A former greenskeeper, now, about to become the Masters champion. It looks like a mirac… It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole! It’s in the hole!”
Posted by: Woody | October 7, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
McSame/Barbie ticket is heading to a landslide defeat. This is just last desparate attempt to scare American People into voting for them and it will not work
Posted by: LAThinker | October 7, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
And the Saul Alinsky indoctrination graduates are making their presence felt everywhere else.
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Did Axelrod happen to mention how much of that $800,000 of Obama’s campaign money that was funneled to ACORN was used to register voters in Nevada?
The Las Vegas ACORN offices were raided today, via search warrant, to investigate more alleged voter registration fraud.
Posted by: SandyB | October 7, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
Mccain claims hes not raising taxes HES LYING hes being sneaky about it HE WILL TAX YOU ON YOUR HEALTHCARE so if you get healthcare from your employer he will tax that as if its income. so for those of you who think mccain aint gonna raise taxes LAY OFF THE KOOL-AID he will but in a sneaky way!
Posted by: angie | October 7, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
“State officials search ACORN office in voter registration fraud probe
Agents with the state attorney general’s and secretary of state’s offices served a search warrant this morning on the new ACORN headquarters.
The warrant was part of an ongoing investigation into suspected voter registration fraud. Employees are suspected of using false addresses or false names, including those of former Dallas Cowboys, according to the secretary of state’s office. “
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Now that tax attorneys have had a chance to review Gov. Sarah Palin’s tax returns, which were released late last week, a new round of questions are being raised on tax-related websites.
One big issue that tax attorneys are pointing to is the fact that the Palins did not report as income the $43,490 that the state gave the family to cover travel expenses for Mr. Palin and the Palin children. Had the Palins reported these payments as income, the couple would have had to pay taxes on it.
These tax attorneys note that neither Mr. Palin nor the children were employees of the state. Nor were they traveling on behalf of the state. There was some discussion that perhaps some portion of Mr. Palin’s travel expenses might be excludable as income if there was a bona-fide business reason for his presence and if he assisted Mrs. Palin in her official duties.
But there was also uniform agreement that it would be hard to make a case for the not reporting the payments to the children as income.
“The children’s travel payments are clearly taxable income,’’ said Jack Bogdanski, a tax professor at the Lewis and Clark Law School in Portland and a former advisor to the Internal Revenue Service. “The money paid for Todd Palin’s travel might possibly turn out to be tax-free, but it would be quite a stretch.”
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
This is pathetic! Both these campains! I haven’t heard one suggestion from Mclame about what he palns to do with this crisis and now we just hear about this Ayers guy. The McCain campaign is all set to roll out its message for the last 30 days of the campaign: “We may not be good for your bank account, your mortgage, your health care, or your job security — but none of that will matter if you are dead. John McCain: If You Want to Live.”
Posted by: Joe | October 7, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
McCAIN CAN HOFF AND PUFF AND BLOW
His LOOKING ANYTHING OTHER THAN A BUM
WHEN HE PULLS OFF THE GLOVES…
and starts calling names ETC.
WHAT NO ANSWERS TO THE US. economic
failure … health care in a Bankrupt
US. trillions for the war in Iraq..
The Real Need to Take out the Planners
of 9/11 other than meet them at the gates of Hell … like that helps…
No its over for the old man …
he should just shut down his campaign
once again and give the money to
the United states treasury.. to help
out the country as his final task
In Government…… IN DOING SO
WE SALUTE YOU… ONE LAST TIME…
Posted by: Anita Yova | October 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
The other area attracting attention is Mr. Palin’s snowmobiling racing and whether it is a legitimate business (which allows the Palins to deduct snowmobiling expenses) or whether it is a hobby, for which no deductions will be allowed.
The Palin’s deducted $9,000 in business losses from snowmobiling. This tax-loss would not be allowed if the activity is a hobby. The I.R.S. rule is that if an activity produces a profit in three of the past five years, is a businesses and not a hobby. But the Palins released tax returns for only two years, so it is impossible to tell. One year showed a $9,000 loss, the other year a slight profit.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Palin has turned to McCarthyist tactics. I’m disgusted by the mob mentality of her supporters. OK, I’m disgusted by her supporters in general, but the mob mentality really shows what this is about.
And yet they claim to be Uniters.
Posted by: billthomson | October 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
And of course Obama NEVER in the 20 years he attended the church heard anything like the comments from Rev. WRight that were posted on the church’s website and for sale in their lobby. At least “no as far as he’s aware.”
Posted by: Judasmac | October 7, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
Let’s not forget that little report that comes out Friday, from the Alaskan special investigator.
Troopergate. enough said.
Posted by: make it known | October 7, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Hey Axelrod; I thought the $700+ billion boondoggle bailout shoved down the throats of the American public was supposed to stop global economic collapse and Wall Street.
Posted by: Mr. Drysdale | October 7, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
“Early in his career, Obama worked as an organizer for Project Vote, an ACORN offshoot, and represented ACORN in legal actions, according to various published reports, including Associated Press articles. ACORN’s political action committee endorsed Obama in the primary. “
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Republicans worked with Ayers in Chicago; Republicans were friends with him; and Republicans who knew his background really didn’t care. Why not look at the CONTEXT here, folks? Here’s a quote:
“It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier,” said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. “It’s ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It’s nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It’s so silly.”
Posted by: wtm | October 7, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
ah yes, take it from David Axelrod, the Karl Rove of the Left.
Have you seen the 10/7 Hotline FD poll? John McCain has closed a 5-point gap in 5 days on who would handle the economy better. John McCain doesn’t have to, and he won’t, go small or go negative to beat Barack Obama. He just needs to make his case to the American people, what in Barack Obama’s background makes him better at handling the economy? for those who don’t earn enough to write a check to Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam writes him a check? regulate commercial banks but let government banks like Fannie and Freddie run wild? Americans want change, but it hasn’t all of the sudden gone socialist. We didn’t like the last 8 years, but we don’t want another 4 years of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid’s last 2 years.
Posted by: Obamacrat for McCain | October 7, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
ABC ignoring the real news.
Pro-Obama thugs detain Corsi and deport him from Kenya to prevent him from investigating Obama.
ACORN office Nevada raided for committing voter fraud.
Posted by: geevill | October 7, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
“Have you seen the 10/7 Hotline FD poll? John McCain has closed a 5-point gap in 5 days on who would handle the economy better.”
Ever heard of an outlier?
Gallup: Obama +9
Rasmussen: Obama +8
I imagine tomorrow Hotline will be back to 5+ for Obama.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Breaking NEWS!!! ACORN files being confiscated at this moment by Nevada authorities.. Obama CAmp Scrambes Illegal voter registration by the Obama backed people WHERE is ABC NEWS on this?????
Posted by: Arrest ANYONE thats disagrees with Obama | October 7, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
Palin has KKK rally’s and call it AMERICAN??? IT IS NOT! McCain insinuates that there is something terrorist about Obama in order to get himself elected? And McCain calls himself a HERO??? HE IS NOT! He is inciting HATE against another AMERICAN!
I am enraged by their blatant racism!
They are UNAMERICAN!
Posted by: Independant American Woman | October 7, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm
“Prior to law school, Barack Obama worked as an organizer for their affiliates in New York and Chicago. He always has been an ACORN person — meeting and working with them to advance their causes. Through his membership on the board of the Woods Fund for Chicago and his friendship with Teresa Heinz Kerry, Obama has helped ensure that they remain funded well.
Since he graduated from law school, Obama’s work with ACORN and the Midwest Academy has ranged from training and fundraising, to legal representation and promoting their work. “
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
McCain should exlain this is not a failure of capitalism it is a failure of socialism of obama, Barney Frank and the ACORNS
Posted by: geevill | October 7, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Since these sorts of associations are so important, I think the media should examine John McCain’s long-standing and friendly relationship with convicted criminal G. Gordon Liddy. A few have, but he was every bit the extremist Ayers was and remains equally unrepentant.
Posted by: top6 | October 7, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
“Corsi and deport him from Kenya to prevent him from investigating Obama.”
He arrived on a tourist visa and sought to do business.
Apparently the law should not apply to right wingers.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
What about mclame voting against a bill to help stop domestic terrorist who bomb abortion clinics? Not that big of a deal mr. mclame?
Posted by: Joe | October 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
McCain can also press Obama that he can not govern well, he only makes promises, he will be Carter 2nd.
Posted by: golfgirlusa | October 7, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
Ha ha ha. This is the highest of high comedy. The economy is collapsing, but Republicans want to talk about some Illinois professor who did and said awful things 40 years ago, when Obama was 8, and then met Obama 30 years later. That says all you need to know about the priorities of the Republican Party. Awesome. Obama himself couldn’t have potrayed them any more pathetically.
Posted by: DKNY | October 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Please read The Case Against Barack Obama by David Freddoso. Mr. Freddoso offers 35 pages of documentation in the back of the book to support the case he makes against Obama. In other words, he supports the charges he makes with real facts. This is important reading for voters interested in the issues. The book will not likely be appreciated by Obama’s supporters, who have committed to an Obama presidency and don’t want to be confused by the facts.
Posted by: Another Sarah | October 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Axelrod said, “that he’s (McCain) going to take the gloves off.” Okay. McCain always thinks in terms of a fight … war … bombings. Financial crisis? He’s running from it.
Posted by: newz4i | October 7, 2008, 3:53 pm 3:53 pm
Carl Spackler – oh so the Bill Murray character from CaddyShack was there? Was Carl one the ACORN registered voters too?
Posted by: geevill | October 7, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
But what friends call “grumpy McCain” is showing up regularly on the campaign trail, and several top advisers worry that it’s hurting his campaign by making him appear peevish and hunkered down when the country is looking for a larger and more optimistic brand of leadership.
After his first debate with Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), both spectators in the hall and commentators on TV noted that McCain had deliberately avoided looking at his rival.
A close McCain friend said the reason is clear: McCain is miserable about having to run a campaign that’s antithetical to his persona.
“He is basically having to be somebody that he isn’t,” said the friend, who remains strongly supportive. “He is just not a guy that goes on the attack in public. For him to be on the attack constantly, attacking Obama’s character … McCain is uncomfortable with that, and it’s made him grumpy.”
This begs the question: if McCain is unhappy with his campaign’s direction why doesn’t he change it? And if he can’t change it, who is really running his campaign?
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
“The reporter quoted him as saying “I don’t regret setting bombs” and “I feel we didn’t do enough”, and, when asked if he would “do it all again” as saying “I don’t want to discount the possibility” – Bill Ayers, Obama’s friend from the neighborhood. With a friend like Obama, no need to set any more bombs.
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
STOP THE LIES!!
ACORN has NOTHING to do with OBAMA personally!
MANY people like OBAMA! That doesn’t make him responsible for everything they do!
G. Gordon Liddy and Keating are McCain’s good buddies – is he responsible for them???? The list goes on!
Posted by: Independant American Woman | October 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Ayers is my hero. Only in America can a white man attempt to attack the Federal Government and end up being one of the top professors in the country on Education. To top it off, his former and current students LOVE HIM! Not one has a bad thing to say about him, and you know the neanderthals have been digging for over a year and a half! PICTURE THAT!
Like Don King says……ONLY IN AMERICA.
Ayers is a true American hero.
From so-called terrorist to Top Teacher.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
“McCain should explain this is not a failure of capitalism”
Yes he should explain this was a planned result of Republican capitalism, a success even.
Screwing the poor and the taxpayer to make the rich wealthier.
Its the Republican way.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
Remember when McCain is bomb, bomb, bombing Iran that they will be returning fire with weapons sold to them by a supportive Mccain
Posted by: Bobba | October 7, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm
At this moment, in this historic election, we stand in a favorable position. At this moment, it is becoming clear that the American people are turning their back on the past eight years of failure. The American people are turning their back on a failed philosophy of governance. They are turning their back on a foreign policy that has made our nation less safe and less respected, on an economic policy that has made out nation less wealthy, and on a moral policy that has perverted our religious discourse.
It has been my honor and privilege to support Barack Obama for President of the United States of America. In my lifetime there has not been a candidate for President who is more suited for the moment we find ourselves in.
Because of George Bush’s Republican party, our ability to rally our allies around the world to face our common dangers has been horribly damaged. Our foreign policy has ignored the concerns of our allies and risked not only our security but theirs as well. But Barack Obama has captured the imagination of the world, providing us with an opportunity to repair frayed alliances.
Because of George Bush’s Republican party, our financial markets have run wild leading to chaos. Ridiculous tax cuts have left us drowning in debt. The wealthy have done well, but the rest of us are in danger of losing the simple dignity of a job and a home. Many have already lost homes. If our financial system is not attended to many more will be in danger of great loss. But Barack Obama proposes a responsible restructuring of the tax code and a spending plan that will provide economic stimulus.
Because of George Bush’s Republican party, right-wing religious fanatics have felt emboldened to preach their vile hate against gays and invade the sanctity of a woman’s body. They brandish their supposed moral superiority as a weapon; bludgeoning their slack jawed followers into lock step obedience. Their dogmatic beliefs impede honest discourse on science and philosophy. But Barack Obama is running a campaign befitting a future President; his religious beliefs led him to high minded social service. He is thoughtful and even-minded; steady in the raging storm.
Posted by: Q Pulpit | October 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Another Sarah, do you believe all the books written about George W Bush. Those apparently are factual too.
Posted by: annie | October 7, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm
Barack Obama is outspending John McCain at nearly a three-to-one clip on television time in the final weeks of the presidential election, according to ad buy information obtained by The Fix, a financial edge that is almost certainly contributing to the momentum for the Illinois senator in key battleground states.
From Sept. 30 to Oct. 6, Obama spent more than $20 million on television ads in 17 states including more than $3 million in Pennsylvania and more than $2 million each in Florida, Michigan and Pennsylvania. McCain in that same time frame spent just $7.2 million in 15 states. Even when the Republican National Committee’s independent expenditure spending in Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia and Wisconsin is factored in (a total of $5.3 million), Obama still outspent the combined GOP forces by roughly $8 million in the last week alone.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:00 pm 4:00 pm
I have gay friends. It does not mean I am gay, nor indicates my sexuality. Obama and McCain being friends with Ayers and Keating do not make them responsible for what Ayers and Keating did. For the sake of America, let’s talk about issues when the country is in crisis.
I used to think McCain is an honorable man who promised to run a clean campaign. However, the way McCain campaign is going, I think less of him now.
Posted by: CT | October 7, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Didn’t know who Ayers was…didn’t know about his pastor’s crazy political rantings…didn’t know about Rezko’s illegal financial dealings…didn’t know, didn’t know, didn’t know. What exactly does Obama know about his friends and allies? My guess is that he just doesn’t care what they really do or believe as long as they can advance his political career. Once their value to him is used up, he throws them away. Integrity? I should say not.
Posted by: bkm | October 7, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Ayers is my hero. Only in America can a white man attempt to attack the Federal Government and end up being one of the top professors in the country on Education. To top it off, his former and current students LOVE HIM! Not one has a bad thing to say about him, and you know the neanderthals have been digging for over a year and a half! PICTURE THAT!
Like Don King says……ONLY IN AMERICA.
Ayers is a true American hero.
From so-called terrorist to Top Teacher. The bottom line is THE Neanderthalic Repugs have nothing! Never have!
GET READY FOR A LANDSLIDE!
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 7, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
Rich Lowry on the clueless McCain camapign
“McCain has to meet a higher standard. Not having a compelling economic message before the financial crisis hit was malpractice; now it’s madness. McCain’s pet causes of bipartisanship and earmark reform don’t qualify as such a message. Bipartisanship is an empty concept; the parties can unite just as easily to pass foolhardy laws as necessary ones. Meanwhile, only John McCain would — as he did in the first debate —steer a discussion about a complex global credit crunch onto earmarked federal spending for bear DNA research.
McCain has suffered from his own manifest lack of interest in economic issues. He was chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee for four years, but you’d never know it. He repeatedly misstates his only real tax proposal for the middle class, an increase in the dependent exemption. Often, he calls it a credit. In the first debate, he called it a dividend. He might as well lurch into Tina Fey territory and call it that “hoozie-what’s-it.” Most voters probably didn’t even know that McCain had a (creative) health-care plan until Obama began lambasting it.”
Posted by: Ryan c | October 7, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm
2 trillion dollars lost in pensions in the last 15 months. Now what does McCain think the public wants to talk about? Tonite which McCain will show up?
Posted by: linda n carolina | October 7, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
“…complainant Carl Spackler ”
There you go again, Ryan, diving into the fantasyland pool of innuendo and false ids.
Axelrod is possibly the least believable character in this scene. From the time that Obama said Ayers was just a neighbor he didn’t know well until now, it’s been all lies, misdirection and spin.
The longer the campaign goes, the longer grows Axelrod’s nose. Somehow, his name fits him.
Posted by: len | October 7, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
“O Force One”!! Give me a break!
Posted by: John W | October 7, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Q Pulpit: HEAR HEAR excellent post. Thumbs up.
Posted by: linda n carolina | October 7, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
While all you “deep” thinking neo-cons worry about Ayers, don’t forget McCain and “The U.S. Council for World Freedom”‘ Which was part of an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America.
Obama was 8 years old when Ayers was being a so called “terrorist”, McCain was a grown man and senator during his involvement with the council. I say McCain wins in subversion.
Posted by: JR | October 7, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
McCain is a vile man. I don’t know why he just doesn’t crawl back under the rock from which he came.
Posted by: Sharon | October 7, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
Axelrod does not want anything coming up about Ayers, Acorn, CAC, Universtiy of chicago or University Hospital.
He has his hands in it all also. Of Course he wants it all buried fast. Staying on the topic of the Economy with the gloom and doom, is irresponsible, that is part of the reason the economy is the way it is. Obama’s campaign is partially based on how bad everyone has it. That was started the first weeks of his campaign. Starting the instilling of fear and gloom and slowing down spending. setting it all up (we were doing good back then compare to now)
The cost of the war is the reason you are hurting, blame bush, blame the Government. over and over the more he mentioned it, the more the economy dropped. Maybe those poor people should of used their money for their mortages, to pay their bills and spend and save instead of donation it to Obama to put on big shows and spend all that money on marketing selling him off as The super star. The More Obama talks about the economy it seems the more it drops. His strategy paying off for him.
The Democrats have taken their stragteg
way to far. Win at all cost is has shown how far they will take it. With thier wealthy friends helping out in the back ground playing the market and assisting them in putting the squeeze on the people and the country.
They think by making the people hurt and the country in crisis, they will blame bush and try to pass that off as their excuse. Any one with common sense knows bush is a lame duck president and his hands are tied, and he had nothing to gain by it. Only the democrats do. You notice how excited they got with the bail out, giving obama credit for it. They were excited they recoup their friends money, and got another business into nationalization. Now they want the Economy in your face. For votes. They are banking on the fact if they make the people hurt the people will jump at them to save them.
They exploited and used and abused the people and made them suffer. That is unforgiven. Obama’s new economy plan was taken from the post war Germany History book. It will not work because the circumstances are different. The democratic play book is not done, They will continue to keep the nation in crisis, Until they have the election won. Or right before the election have Obama come out with a cure all and fix the economy cinching the election. It will not be anything sensational Since they know that if the stop playing the economy it will straighten right out, He knows exactly what they are playing with.
When that happens you will see this has all been staged and the people set up. Obama is a man, who came from now where fast, with nothing to back him. He can give a speech and has had one bill pass. Take away the hollywood hoopla and stagged shows and maketing and PR you have a man and a speech. His communist pals, and dearest friends have invested much into him, time, money and a lot of work, over 20 years. Thomas Ayers
William Ayers in SDS and a Communist terroist
Wright Anti American, anti white who has worked with Ayers and Obama in other boards. Dohrn who declared war on America with her husband and friends.
Axelrod whos mother was communist
That close family in south side of chicago, hyde Park, University of chicago & Hospital, who traveled in the came close circle. Played together, worked together, socialized together, who were on board after board for and with each other. vacationed together.
Shared Ideas and thoughts and lives for over 20 years and influenced each others lives. The family they are. Wake up America Tell Obama and the Democratic party Enough of this crap.
Posted by: seah | October 7, 2008, 4:09 pm 4:09 pm
“From so-called terrorist to Top Teacher.”
Yes, Nat, only in America can such a Clockwork Orange scene play out.
Except that was set in Britain.
Nat, lad, you are headed for the biggest surprise of your life in one month. Voters are going to send Barack back to his mansion so the people living in those slums he organized can have their two bits of payback. They’ll tell YOU anything but in the privacy of the voting booth they remember the guys like you who got in their face.
Posted by: len | October 7, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Palin has another interview coming up with Bund leader Sean Hannity.
This time she is bringing McCain with her.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:11 pm 4:11 pm
I’ve actually had dinner with a member of the Weathermen. It was at a friend’s house. People kept telling me this person was a member of the Weathermen an I just nodded my head and listened to the conversation.
I had no idea who the Weathermen were. I had to look it up after dinner. I wasn’t even born when they were bombing buildings.
Now, I’m 30 and Obama is 44, so that probably makes a difference. To me though, is entirely understandable that he didn’t know who Ayers was.
Posted by: Joe | October 7, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
Doesn’t god also know Ayers? Doesn’t that make god equally suspect in this whole fake issue?
Posted by: DKNY | October 7, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm
McCain does not support veterans. He has consistently voted against veterans and has a rating of D by veterans groups. His fellow POW’s in Nam called him SONGBIRD because he ratted out classified flight paths to the enemy which enabled them to shoot down our bombers, all the while receiveing preferential treatment by the enemy.
He is not an AMERICAN HERO to me.
Posted by: becky | October 7, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
In an effort to end racial profiling by law enforcement officials, Illinois Senator Barack Obama (D-13th) and two civil rights groups Monday announced he’s introducing a bill to conduct a study of these traffic stops minorities say are bias.
Obama is introducing his Traffic Stops Statistics Study Act on Jan. 12, 2000.
A professor at the University of Chicago School of Law, Obama said: “It is extraordinarily hard to justify systematic racial profiling.”
Obama made his remarks during a press conference held at the James R. Thompson Center where he joined by American Civil Liberties Union legal director Harvey Grossman and attorney Michael Rodriguez …
Obama and the ACLU perfect together
Posted by: geevill | October 7, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
“I have gay friends. It does not mean I am gay, nor indicates my sexuality. Obama and McCain being friends with Ayers and Keating do not make them responsible for what Ayers and Keating did. For the sake of America, let’s talk about issues when the country is in crisis.” – CT
C’mon, CT! Do you have any friends that bombed the Pentagon? THAT is the issue. No one, not one person, is saying that Obama wants to bomb the Pentagon. What they’re saying is that Obama has CHOSEN to associate with a domestic terrorist. Do you think McCain would be getting a free ride from the press if *he* opened his political career in the house of a guy who bombed abortion clinics back in the day? The answer of course is “no”.
This election is about important issues, no doubt. One of the most important is character and judgement. Who you choose to hang out with and work with politically is a pretty good test of that, IMO.
Posted by: Joe | October 7, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm
Becky: Don’t be drawn in on these non-issues. The focus must remain on the issues that are important to the people, like the economy. That said, the good news is that this election is OVER!!! Your next President is Barack Hussein Obama. And there’s no smearing or misdirection that will change that.
Posted by: DKNY | October 7, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
THIS IS SOMETHING YOU WILL NEVER SEE PALIN OR MCCAIN DO.
ANSWER PRESS QUESTIONS DIRECTLY.
THEY JUST SPIT POISON FROM THE PODIUM AND HIDE BEHIND THE CURTAIN.
Posted by: VET | October 7, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
“Obama and the ACLU perfect together”
For once I agree with geevil.
Obama has a stellar record on civil rights.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm
Wow. He didn’t know…
Hey, Barack, want to go to a fundraiser for you down the street?
Sure, who is hosting it? Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn.
Who are they?
Education professor, great guy. Used to be a fugitive-Weather Underground…ever hear of them? She is a law professor too…you ever run into her? She was a BIG radical–WU too. Blew stuff up, almost killed people but never quite hit anyone. You never heard of the WU, huh?
No, sorry.
What? I thought you went Columbia and Harvard and Yale? You surely took some classes on the sixties, since you were into community organizing. Better get your money back. I know guys in community college with a better understanding of history than that..oh well…
This is now more than being about Ayers’s past…it is not about Obama’s blatant dishonesty in distancing himself from Ayers.
Posted by: Wade | October 7, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
I see they are using the same play book used in the primary’s the polls are lies
people are turning to McCain Just like in the primary’s the last minute voters will go to JM
Posted by: Bishop | October 7, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
MayBee: “How in the world is that a distraction?”
Does it address how the Presidential candidates will address the issues the country is facing today? Like, that little economic problem we’re having? No. That’s why it’s a distraction.
It’s kind of obvious really, I’m surprised you needed to ask.
Posted by: Aengil | October 7, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
Jake,
If you and the media are going to continue to discuss these ridiculous guilt-by-association issues, I think it only fair to discuss some of the consequences this rhetoric has had over the last few days.
–Sarah Palin mentioned Obama at a rally yesterday, and one of her supporters yelled “kill him.” The crowd clapped, and although she clearly heard him, Palin said nothing.
–At a McCain rally yesterday, as McCain mentioned Obama’s name, someone yelled “muslim.” McCain looked at him, smirked, and just went right on with his speech. A few moments later, McCain asked, “Who is the real Obama,” to which a man clearly yelled “terrorist.” The crowd laughed and laughed, and McCain smirked slightly and carried on.
–A man in London was shot 3 times for wearing an Obama t-shirt yesterday. As he was shot, the assailant yelled ethnic slurs.
–A bald-headed Sheriff introduced Palin at a Florida rally by using Obama’s middle name of Hussein. This was previously a no-no with the McCain camp, but now it seems to be perfectly fine with them to play a blatant race card.
Point is, we do not have the right to hate. McCain’s increased rhetoric has clearly increased racial and cultural tensions to a boiling point with the GOP, yet the MSM chooses to do NOTHING in response. Even more disgusting, the McCain campaign chooses to do nothing in response. They have yet to address any of the resulting hate their increased rhetoric/smear has caused. They will likely say that they never heard “Hussein,” “kill him,” “Muslim,” or “terrorist” at the rallies yesterday, but even a cursory review of the footage makes it apparent that they at least heard 50% of these statements very clearly and knowingly did nothing to tamp down threats of racial violence. Get on it ABC. God forbid anything happen to any of the candidates in this race, but when anything happens that seems to encourage violence, it must be addressed fairly by the MSM before it reaches a crisis point. Violence may make for great ratings, but it also makes for a weak America.
P.S. Though the mainstream media hasn’t addressed the issues mentioned here, many blog sites and startup news oranizations are addressing this, so again, don’t tell me the McCain came is unaware of what their rhetoric is doing
Posted by: AnnaBfrom63 | October 7, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm
I agree wholeheartedly with CNN’s Campbell Brown assertion today that negative campaigning should cease! However,to equate the type of negative campaigning that McCain/Palin are engaged with the Obama campaigns isnt accurate. McCain/palin have sunk to an all time low. To suggest Obama is involved with terrorists and is unpatriotic is more then outrageous..its dispicable! What does it say about John McCain’s character to not only allow that type of rhetoric regarding his opponent but to participate in it. Do you want a president would could so viciously attack an opponenets character in order to win?
This is more then iattacking Obama’s character, it also incites hatred…by levelling an accusation that he ‘pals with terrorists’ you insidiously imply that old rumour hes a muslim…These attacks also incite hatred towards him as an African American. These arent just negative tactics..these are dangerous tactics!! And Im shocked that the media hasnt shown actual outrage towards rhetoric that implies Obama isnt as American and patriotic as John McCain!!! It will take the media to get McCain off this track of attack & I hope you will do it out of decency & respect !
Posted by: Dee | October 7, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
Joe: Ayers is a Professor of Education at the University of Illinois. He’s an expert on educational issues. Do you have any idea how many people know him?
Hint: it’s a lot.
Are you really, honestly, saying that every single one of those thousands of people who have met him, worked with him, studied under him, in that capacity, all have terrible judgement and are of poor character? Seriously?
Posted by: Aengil | October 7, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Why would Barack Obama and the DNC File a Motion to Delay Delivery of Obama’s Citizenship Documents?
Well, I’ll take a wild guess. Maybe he doesn’t have any that haven’t been Photoshopped.
It seems that Obama’s team assumed that this case would be dismissed by now. But the judge is taking his time; not sure what that means…
In the meantime, Berg’s original Request for Discovery, or “Production of Documents,” filed on Sept. 15, gave Obama until Oct. 15 to cough up citizenship documents, including a valid Birth Certificate.
Now, reasonable people — you know all those folks who called us conspiracy theorists — are starting to wonder why Obama doesn’t just hand over the damn documents. Berg has even stated for the record that he would drop the lawsuit if Obama will present certified evidence of his sole US citizenship and birth record.
How simple and quick it would be for most of us to produce official copies of basic records related to our existence. But apparently this is not the case for Obama.
Well, none of the writers for this blog are surprised.
Meanwhile, Berg filed his own motion today, as he seeks to amend his original complaint based on new information related to Obama’s Indonesian citizenship and “other pertinent facts,” his office reported to me.
Many people across the spectrum dismiss Philip Berg as the “9/11 nut.” Well, let them. I haven’t analyzed Berg’s professional history in detail. But I can tell you this, and I’ll stand by it: Whether this particular lawsuit survives at the trial court or proceeds to appeal — It has merits. And ultimately, one way or another, the issues will be heard and the outcome will not be favorable for Mr. Obama.
Stay tuned.
UPDATES:
Atlas Shrugs posted an interesting addendum to this story, in which she nails Factcheck for stealth-editing their COLB image. Incidentally, the TD Blog still gets hits from that bogus “Born in the USA” article by Factcheck, which I responded to immediately with this post.
ALSO, Berg updated his site Monday to express outrage at the Obama/DNC delay tactic, proclaiming that “It is believed Obama is an ‘illegal alien’.” Indeed it is, Mr. Berg, as WE believe that’s probably true too. Otherwise, why wouldn’t Obama produce the birth certificate, declaration of citizenship, and other essential identity documents? I’ve had to produce more for some jobs I’ve sought than this guy has offered as a presidential prospect.
Posted by: becky | October 7, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
In this article we hear that allegedly Obama wants to talk about economics and McCain is hindering this effort by focusing on Obama’s associations, as though this is damaging to our country. Frankly, discussing associations and the candidates’ record is so much more important then listening to rhetoric. One can say anything to please the audience as Obama has done, promising the world. However, as the saying goes: ”tell me who your friends are and I’ll tell you who you are” are not empty words but wisdom from our past.
The left of which Aeyrs is an extremist member wants to slow down the US economy. Rev. Wright wants to re-distribute the wealth of the middle class. Thus, we should not be surprised and take seriously Obama’s criticism of America for using too much energy; his support in a rise in fuel costs and giving a nod and wink to reparations. By knowing whom his political bedfellows are, his radical core views become more relevant to the economic debate then the empty promises of middle class prosperity he parrots on prime time.
Posted by: NICK SOROKIN | October 7, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
Becky, you do realize that by your logic Palin is guilty as sin for the Troopergate mess given all the obstruction Republicans and her lawyer have thrown up to the investigation, don’t you?
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
New sflash:
Nevada raid Acorn’s offices. Takes out boxes of documents pertaining to voter fraud. Investigation began two months ago
Posted by: HP Boston | October 7, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm
Jake, why do you allow Axelrod such a wide berth? Why do you allow him to frame this debate before it happens? Why aren’t you calling him out on his previous statements about Obama’s associates.
It appears Axelrod has an awful lot of sway with you and others in the MSM.
Did you see where Nancy Pelosi is promising the MSM passage of the “Press Shield Law” IF Obama becomes president. Interesting…
Posted by: Fallon | October 7, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Yes.Let’s discuss why the markets are tanking since Obama has been annointed a lock.
Posted by: geevill | October 7, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
if mccain wants to play dirty lets hear all about the songbird propaganda broadcasts he made against our troops and the usa when in nam—-someones casual aquaintances mean crap—–we want to hear mccain deny this personally—as it is common knowledge.
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
New sflash:
Nevada raid Acorn’s offices. Takes out boxes of documents pertaining to voter fraud. Investigation began two months ago
Posted by: HP Boston | Oct 7, 2008 4:33:52 PM
This is GREAT! Along with the fact that Rezko is about to spill the beans on Obama to get leniency, is GREAT news! I can’t wait to see Obama be brought down!
Posted by: roger | October 7, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
“Are you really, honestly, saying that every single one of those thousands of people who have met him, worked with him, studied under him, in that capacity, all have terrible judgement and are of poor character? Seriously?”
No. I would say just the ones who worked with Ayers extensively, deliberately, on multiple projects over an extended period of time. They either have poor judgement or are kindred spirits and fellow travellers.
Posted by: Woody | October 7, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
The differences between Gov. Palin and Senator Obama are as follows: She has a history of protecting American Citizens from corporations, from unethical politicians including Republicans, and–both as a mayor and a governor–she has a PROVEN track record of keeping her word. Her friends, family and mentors are not racists, misogynists, or terrorists, and she appears to be firmly grounded as a loving, spiritual mother, elected politician, American citizen. When Gov. Palin speaks she speaks to me, about me, and on behalf of me in clear, succinct, precise statements specially addressing what she will do to help me, my family, my community, my America. Lower taxes, get rid of waste both internally and externally, balance the budget, tighten borders–get this country back to what it was and should be. She clearly loves me and this country, and in return she will get my vote.
The man you think you are assisting by demeaning Gov. Palin has a track record worthy of a mid-level crook, he has done nothing for his constituents but misuse their trust and their money, and his friends, mentors, and religious leaders are all racists, misogynists, or terrorists. When he speaks he demeans me, this country, and our history. His hatred is clear, and his agenda is not. But even though I am just a girl, I can put two and two together and his type of ‘change’ would have to represent his family, his church, and his hate-filled words and that type of change almost brought down a country (Germany) and the world. Thanks, but no thanks I don’t need that type of change.
Finally, remember that every time you demean a woman your mother’s face, your sister’s face, your wife’s face, or your daughter’s face should be staring back at you. And always remember that the person you truly diminish is yourself.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 7, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
“Breaking NEWS!!! ACORN files being confiscated at this moment by Nevada authorities.. Obama CAmp Scrambes Illegal voter registration by the Obama backed people WHERE is ABC NEWS on this?????”
Sorry, but this doesn’t prove anything yet.
Nevada has a rep. gov. and the GOP had played dirty tricks in the past to steal votes. Remember Florida, 2000, or in 2004 in Ohio…
Posted by: CLabs | October 7, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
And so go the last heaves of the rotting corpse that is the McCain campaign. This is OVER. We have a winner: President Barack Hussein Obama!!
Posted by: DKNY | October 7, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
“If we continue to talk about the economic crisis, we’re going to lose.”
McCain strategist to NY Daily News on 10/5/08.
Dow’s down another 400 points today. Nearly 750,000 Americans have lost their jobs this year. 47 million Americans don’t have health insurance. The other day in Ohio, a ninety year old woman tried to shoot herself because she couldn’t make the mortgage payments on her home.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 7, 2008, 4:36 pm 4:36 pm
“Obama and McCain being friends with Ayers and Keating do not make them responsible for what Ayers and Keating did.”
I just love this false moral equivalency trick the Democrats always attempt. It doesn’t sound like you believe it yourself, so why should I?
Posted by: Woody | October 7, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
From NPR: Tuesday, October 7
Some Republicans from Chicago are saying what most of us knew all along. Bill Ayers was a commonly acceptable figure in Chicago by everyone–Democrats, Independents, and even Republicans.
NPR reporting today, regarding the Republican funded cause that Obama and Ayers worked on together. And that:
“It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier,” said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. “It’s ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It’s nonsensical.”
The Obama campaign says he first met Ayers in 1995, when Obama became chair of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a $50 million fund that awarded grants to groups trying to implement new programs to improve inner city education in Chicago.
Posted by: Ryan | October 7, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Palin is a tax cheat who has lied about her experience, her campaign’s platform and her political opponent.
My sister told me that today.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
“I would say just the ones who worked with Ayers extensively, deliberately, on multiple projects over an extended period of time.”
Regardless of the nature of the project?
So, you’d say it even if it’s – say – on educational issues and nothing to do with, oh I don’t know, planting bombs in opposition to the Vietnam War?
Get a grip.
Tell me what Obama has actually done that shows he shares Ayer’s radical beliefs. Come on. Specific things Obama has personally done. Let’s hear it.
Posted by: Aengil | October 7, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
Ryan C:
So if Palin is guilty in troopergate, Obama is guilty too? Fine, let’s assume both have done wrong.
Posted by: Wade | October 7, 2008, 4:38 pm 4:38 pm
David Axlerod, who is being questioned in this peice originally said:
Bill Ayers lives in [Obama] neighborhood. Their kids attend the same school. They’re certainly friendly, they know each other, as anyone whose kids go to school together.” (see politico, Ben Smith’s Blog 2/26/08)
While Axelrod was truthful about Obama/Ayers being “friendly,” he wasn’t so truthful about the rest of the story. Ayers kids are all grown adults. Obama’s are in elementary school.
Posted by: Who's Obama? | October 7, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
what mccain has the answers for you if you are suffering—FIND A RICH ON DRUGS–AND MARRY HER—TO HELL WITH YOUR FAMILY –THROW THEM UNDER THE BUS MCCAIN WILL SHOW YOU HOW—HE IS THE EXPERT.
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Wow let’s silence our oposition. Nice!! If you are against Obama you will be silenced period. This is what we will have to look forward to for the next four years if he is elected. Really Nice.
Posted by: Kim | October 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
Can someone ask McCain what happened to his first wife? Where is she? What role did Cindy play to make McCain leave his first wife. Oops, he doesn’t remember.
Posted by: geevill | October 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
“I agree wholeheartedly with CNN’s Campbell Brown assertion today that negative campaigning should cease!”
It’s just part of the process. Abe Lincoln was routinely called slurs in major city newspapers. In some ways we’ve raised the bar since then!
Posted by: Woody | October 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
The debate should be about the issues. Then again it seems the republicans are clueless in that regards instead choosing to have a “mud-slinging fest”
McCain and Palin think they can make the people forget what is important to them by engaging in character assassinations. Well they are WRONG.
It is clear now more than ever that McCain/Palin represent the same Bush/ Karl Rove style of politics.
Obama/Biden 08
Posted by: Mark | October 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
“I just love this false moral equivalency trick the Democrats always attempt. It doesn’t sound like you believe it yourself, so why should I?”
I agree Woody.
McCain was much closer personally to Keating than Obama ever was with Ayers so the comparison is a false one.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
I bet when McCain saw Cindy, he had one song in his head. Money, money, money by ABBA
Posted by: Oretega M | October 7, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Impersonators, please stop.
Its annoying.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
“So if Palin is guilty in troopergate, Obama is guilty too? Fine, let’s assume both have done wrong.”
By the standard that if one hires a lawyer than one is guilty, I would say yes.
But that is the un-American standard proffered by right wingers.
I believe in the American standard of innocent until proven guilty.
Right wingers don’t like that standard.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Personally, I want to know what Obama’s relationship is with Bill Ayers, a guy who on the day of 9/11 had an article written about him in the NYT in which he was quoted as saying he wished he did more bombings against the USA.
Posted by: cryanc | October 7, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
It is a Pandora’s Box If they start attacking Obama. What about Cindy McCain’s past drug use, what about Cindy flirting with McCain when he was still married to his first wife. What about Charlie Black? What about Keating five? What about McCain association with Phil Gramm?
McCain has a lot to answer for and the gloves are off now. Read about Phil Gramm’s involvement in the current mortgage crisis and you’ll be sick.
Posted by: geevill | October 7, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
It is a Pandora’s Box If they start attacking Obama. What about Cindy McCain’s past drug use, what about Cindy flirting with McCain when he was still married to his first wife. What about Charlie Black? What about Keating five? What about McCain association with Phil Gramm?
McCain has a lot to answer for and the gloves are off now. Read about Phil Gramm’s involvement in the current mortgage crisis and you’ll be sick.
Posted by: geevill | October 7, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Dodging the question…
Now you are saying Palin isn’t guilty, right?
Posted by: Wade | October 7, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
“Tell me what Obama has actually done that shows he shares Ayer’s radical beliefs. Come on. Specific things Obama has personally done. Let’s hear it.’
That’s a good question. I could easily ask you to show me anything that he doesn’t share the same beliefs as Ayers.
School reform. Care to provide some detail?
He hasn’t done much, other than put together the most liberal voting record in the Senate. He’s left of Kerry. Left of Kennedy. Left of Kucinich! And it’s not just his six years of work with Ayers. It’s sitting at the knee of Frank Marshall Davis as a youth. It’s community activism with Ayers. It’s twenty years receiving spiritual guidance from Wright. Extreme left teachings and associations his entire life. Repeat, his entire life.
Show me who you roll with and I’ll show you who you are.
Posted by: Woody | October 7, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
Point is, it ain’t the “pals,” it’s what the adult candidate does, or has done. McCain isn’t a bad guy because he hung around with Keating — and it was a lot more than a meet-the-candidates coffee or sitting on a board together — the problem is McCain accepted a lot of money and perks, then thwarted legislation and the investigation surrounding Keating’s behavior.
This is so relevant to the current financial crisis as a continuing pattern for McCain of hands-off policies, i.e. deregulation. Folks just aren’t buying McCain’s Saul-Paul conversion of two weeks ago.
Posted by: John_in_Cincy | October 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Also, that is a huge canard that right-wingers allegedly think you are guilty by hiring a lawyer…you are in fabulist territory…
Posted by: Wade | October 7, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm
Does anyone know of Sarah Palin’s association with radical elements in Alaska asking for independence from the US. The party has lobbied since the 1970s for the right to hold a referendum on whether Alaska should secede from the United States. Its motto, “Alaska First”, contrasts sharply with the John McCain campaign slogan: “Country First.”
It seeks “the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska” and aims to be “self-sufficient” by using profits from Alaskan oil and gas resources. It clWhile it is thought that Mrs Palin officially left the party to become a Republican in 1996, she recorded an address for its convention earlier this year in which she said: “I share your party’s vision of upholding the constitution of our great state” and told members to “keep up the good work”. So much for “country first”.
Posted by: Carlos Mencia | October 7, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
IF MCCAIN WANTS TO NIT PICK IN AN EFFORT TO SCARE SOME OPF THE NIT WITS—-WE WILL SLAP HIM WITH ALL HIS TRUE PAST—SOMEWHERE HE DONT WANT TO GO—
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
This is our reality today -
The favorite in the Presidential race has amitted to being “friendly” with a man who admitted bombing American Institutions and Obama’s spokesman will not tell the voters about the facts?
Say it ain’t so!
Posted by: ryan c | October 7, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Point is, it ain’t the “pals,” it’s what the adult candidate does, or has done. McCain isn’t a bad guy because he hung around with Keating — and it was a lot more than a meet-the-candidates coffee or sitting on a board together — the problem is McCain accepted a lot of money and perks, then thwarted legislation and the investigation surrounding Keating’s behavior.
This is so relevant to the current financial crisis as a continuing pattern for McCain of hands-off policies, i.e. deregulation. Folks just aren’t buying McCain’s Saul-Paul conversion of two weeks ago.
Posted by: John_in_Cincy | October 7, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm
Reverend Muthee’s own words,
Jesus into all aspects of society for the transformation. Said that we need true believers in the bsns. World. Said God wants true believers, Christians, in the political world so they can “change the laws of the land”. Said we need true believers who can “take over” our school system—-the need for the 10 Commandments to be part of our educ. system. Then children will not be taught about other religions which poison their minds.
Said Christian true believers need to invade the media and Hollywood.
Said we need born again Christians like Sarah in government and in other high positions such as Sec. of State and we need to pray for Sarah to ascend.
He asked that all pray for Sarah to rid the world of witchcraft and to turn the nation around, in the name of Jesus, Hallelujah.
Guys, I have seen a lot of strange videos of Sarah Palin & her African pastor. These are truly strange videos in every sense of the word. They give us more background on “rev” Muthee, the Witch Hunter whom Sarah Palin credits with praying her to power. The church has a mission which involves all of us, and we thought our days of burning witches were shamefully behind us.
Posted by: Owen | October 7, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
“Also, that is a huge canard that right-wingers allegedly think you are guilty by hiring a lawyer.”
Wade that is the absurd standard becky offered.
When I attempted to point out its absurdity, you tried to reinforce it.
Posted by: Ryan c | October 7, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
Axelrod is a piece of work, like his pal Gibbs. This is making me crazy. Love that spin about the campaign contributions. If someone or many someones are funneling thousands, perhaps millions, of dollars to the Obama campaign illegally, under the guise of small donations, that is a major scandal. This give Obama a financial advantage that unfairly affects the presidential race. McCain’s campaign financing was completely transparent– he reported info on all his donors, including those giving less than 200 dollars. Obama has not done the same. And when he used “I have built a network of small donors” as his excuse for opting out of the government campaign financing that he had promised he would not opt out of, this was based on the false premise that those thousands of small donors were actual human beings, each a discrete individual giving under appropriate rules. That has not proven to be true. And Axelrod wants to pretend that they are doing their best to keep things honest and above board with their contributions? Yeah, and I believed ACORN when they swore they would never try to manipulate the voter registration process. This is the campaign that is small– they will do or say anything to get elected. So much for new politics.
Posted by: Moderate | October 7, 2008, 4:52 pm 4:52 pm
“McCain was much closer personally to Keating than Obama ever was with Ayers so the comparison is a false one.”
Really? Then why would life-long Democrat Bob Bennett say this on the record?
“After reviewing my report, the committee voted on October 23, 1990, to hold a public adjudicatory fact-finding hearing in the matter as to all five senators. This was perhaps the first time the recommendation of a special counsel not to charge a senator was rejected. This was pure politics as the Democrats on the committee did not want to cut McCain loose so that only Democrats would remain in the proceedings. If Senator McCain was not going to be cut loose, in retaliation the Republicans were going to keep Senator Glenn in the proceedings. McCain was the victim of politics, and poor Glenn was held captive to the decision on McCain. So much for nonpartisanship.” — Democratic Keating Investigation Counsel Robert Bennet
Bennett recommened to the committee that commissioned him to cut McCain loose. They ignored his recommendation for political reasons. Riegle and DeConcini were the guilty ones here and they bothe outwardly endorsed Obama in the spring of ’08. End of story.
Posted by: Woody | October 7, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
BECAUSE OF HIS ACTS WHEN IN NAM –YOU MUST WONDER HOW MANY LIVES HE COST.
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
“He hasn’t done much, other than put together the most liberal voting record in the Senate”
Woody,
That was for 1 year when he missed 33 of the 99 votes they used as criteria (McCain missed so many votes he had no rating).
In 2006 Obama was the 10th most liberal.
In 2005, Obama was the 14th most liberal.
I’m not disagreeing that Obama is on the liberal side of the aisle but pronouncement that he has the most liberal record in the Senate is misleading at best.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm
Since Obama wasn’t member of Trinity church, what church he belongs now… is he turn to be atheis like his mom?
Posted by: Berak | October 7, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
NOW KEEP AN EYE ON THIS PICKENS GUY—HE IS NOT SPENDING MILLIONS FOR NOTHING—–(HE IS THE GUY THAT FUNDED THE LAST SWIFTBOAT OPERATION AGAINST KERRY)—HE IS TRULY UP TO SOMETHING REMEMBER BUSH—OIL OIL—MORE OF TOO MUCH MONEY IN TOO LITTLE HANDS—THEY WANT TO CONTROLL GOVERNMENT–OR AT LEAST ELECTONS FOR THEIR BENIFIT——-YOU SHOULD SAVE THIS ONE –I WILL TAKE BETS.
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm
“Tell me what Obama has actually done that shows he shares Ayer’s radical beliefs. Come on. Specific things Obama has personally done. Let’s hear it.”
1. Obama says he supports redistribution of income that overwhelmingly favor minorities to make up for all of America’s misdeeds.
2. Obama ran the Woods foundation for education and spread about $100 million not according to test scores, but political activism. By his own evaluation, it did not improve education 1 bit.
3. Voted against a bill that would give rights to babies born alive after botched abortions.
4. Obama said American soldiers were “just air raiding villages and killing civilians” in Afghanistan.
5. Obama’s wife said America is “down right mean” and his candidacy was the “first time in her adult life” that she’s been proud of this country.
6. Obama’s a big supporter of ACORN, which has been a target across the country for voter fraud.
and so on, and so on
Posted by: Rich N. | October 7, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
On NPR today: “It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier,” said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. “It’s ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It’s nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It’s so silly.” The Obama campaign says he first met Ayers in 1995, when Obama became chair of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a $50 million fund that awarded grants to groups trying to implement new programs to improve inner city education in Chicago. Walter Annenberg, a lifelong Republican and former ambassador who was appointed by Presidents Nixon and Reagan, funded an ambitious program to reform urban education in many cities in the mid 1990s. Ayers was an important member of the group that developed and wrote the grant proposal to the Annenberg Foundation. …no one on the board or on the Annenberg Challenge staff remembers Obama being any closer to Ayers than to any other member of the board. The Annenberg board also included several civic, business and education leaders, many of them Republicans… “I don’t remember ever hearing anyone raise concerns or questions or concerns about Ayers’ background,” says Anne Hallett, who has worked closely with Ayers on the Annenberg Challenge grant and with Obama on education and other community and legislative matters. “And that included everybody I was engaged with,” including prominent Republicans, and corporate and civic leaders in Chicago, Hallett adds.
Posted by: GOP Ayers Connection | October 7, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
I almost wish B.Hussien would win so you all could get your wish of more government intrusion in your lifes, more taxes, no social medicine because there IS NO MONEY, Communism, ect. You all can abolish everything that doesn’t tout your radicalism and goose stepping. Yep, your children can turn you in to Big Brother for lighting up a “FATTY”. You almost deserve what you wish for but I’m hoping the the “CHANGE” America goes for is that the blinders come off and the Dems are exposed in the full glaring light that all vampires dread and fear!
Posted by: commrat72 | October 7, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Wade,
No worries.
I apologize for getting defensive.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
I don’t see what is the big deal. Obama has explained that it was 40 years ago when William Ayers bombed the Pentagon and Capital and attacked America.
I mean, heck, 40 years from now it will be no big deal if our presidential nominee is “friendly” with Osama Bin Laden. Right?
Posted by: Richard L | October 7, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
PALIN IS JUST TRYING TO TAKE THE ATTENTION OFF MCCAIN——IT WONT WORK—-JUST KEEP THEM OUT OF PA WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS—LIKE WE ARE ALL LIVING IN AN ERA OF PROISPERITY DUE TO NAFTA—MCCAINS OWN WORDS.
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
John McCain has shown through his past actions that he has absolutely no concern whatsoever for the wellbeing of middle-class Americans. When taking that into consideration, just how do you think he will handle the current financial disaster our economically battered nation is in today? For an answer to that question, one must look to the past, specifically McCain’s disgraceful involvement in the Keating Five savings-and-loan scandal that decimated our economy, not to mention millions of hard working American’s life savings, in the late 1980’s.
Even though he was absolutely disgraced publicly and the Senate Ethics Committee admonished him for his deplorable actions, John McCain still continued his fervor for rampant deregulation that caused the cascading savings-and-loan collapses in the late 1980’s and the current credit crisis destroying our economy today.
Millions of honest, hard working Americans had their life savings wiped out when one savings-and-loan after another went down because of the criminality of repugnant swindlers such as Charles Keating. Charles Keating is a convicted felon who greedily defrauded millions out their life savings, while at the same time he donated more money to John McCain’s campaign than any other contributor in the nation. And what did John McCain do when he learned of Keating’s arrest? He illegally tried to use his power and influence to keep his good friend and single largest campaign contributor out of jail.
McCain’s involvement as the key figure in the Keating Five scandal is a window into his past, present, and future disregard for middle-class Americans.
Posted by: Jack | October 7, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm
HOW ABOUT MCCAINS RACIST MINISTER—WHO IS MCCAIN
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
I didn’t think it possible but McCain/Palin have made me give some respect to the Bushes. When dirty work needed to get done, the Bushes at least handed it off to surrogates and pretended to be above it all.
McCain/Palin seem happiest and most fully engaged while they’re personally rolling around in the hog wallow.
This stuff may get the base all riled up but it doesn’t appeal to independents in swing states. As a Democrat, I hope they keep it up. The uglier they go, the better Barack’s numbers get.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 7, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
I would like to know WHO Palin is, I’ve heard all the crap about Obama. Now I would like to know who and what Palin is? I don’t care to see a bunch of propaganda that McCain or the GOP puts out, I want to know who this women is. Was she brought in by the GOP to rally up the CLAN, no word about the man that was attacted by the Palin followes that was Black and they called him the N word. Is that What Palin is going to do for Americans?
Posted by: Ethel | October 7, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Watch the kool-aid, kids….you spill it and there goes the finish on the floor!
Posted by: commrat72 | October 7, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
OXYCON
LOVE REV WRIGHT –HE TELLS IT AS IT IS—NO BS FROM THAT GUY
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
“According to Alinsky, the organizer — especially a paid organizer from outside — must first overcome suspicion and establish credibility. Next the organizer must begin the task of agitating: rubbing resentments, fanning hostilities, and searching out controversy. This is necessary to get people to participate”
Hmmm….remind you of anyone that you think you know?
Posted by: Mack | October 7, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Thanks, no big deal…people are getting crazy out there, let’s try to keep our heads. I will try actually read a post before I spout off…heh heh.
Wade
Posted by: Wade | October 7, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
WHAT PUNISHMENT WOULD WE RECIEVE IF WE BEHAVED LIKE MCCAIN AND SPOUTED PEOPAGANDA AGAINST THE US TROOPS AND THE USA—–
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
“Thanks, no big deal…people are getting crazy out there, let’s try to keep our heads. I will try actually read a post before I spout off…heh heh.
Wade”
I can make no such promises! ;-)
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
AnnaBfrom63: You mean like telling the truth? Yes by all means let’s get it out there on nightly news. It’s only been all year that the truth about Obama has not been told. To say that McCain has brought racial tensions is insane. I think I remember when Obama pulled the race card on Clinton, there were threats of riots and car burnings if he did not win. Maybe what you’re seeing now is a result of that forced feeding of Obama on everyone. Maybe it’s a result of things like the “truth squad” well known in these parts as a KGB tactic. Communism, anyone? See what Ayers and Dorhn had to say in their SDS reunion last November. Look up Rashid Khalidi, his other professor friend. Real Scary. These people are a cancer that has been silently spreading. These people have been organizing for over 40 years. To have Obama come this far in this short of a period of time, with the kind of people he has relationships with and such a lack of experience and the media not only doesn’t question it, but covers up proven facts, and if anyone else questions it they are called racist, if this doesn’t make anyone at least stop and think-then they deserve what they get. If the media would have done their jobs, Clinton would have been the Democratic nominee. As far as right now, Obama would not be ahead had not the Wall Street crisis happened. People want someone to blame because it takes less effort than to find out the REAL reasons it happened.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | October 7, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
COMRAT72
SPIN THAT ENGINE LOAD IT UP WITH FUEL—NOW IGNITE —MAKE THE DECK CREW SCATHER—AND YOU KNOW THE REST
GOODBYE
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm
JUST REMEMBER THE FORESTAL
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
Lilibet Hagel, the wife of GOP Sen. Chuck Hagel, is endorsing Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama this morning, an unusual public pronouncement for the low-profile Mississippi native and one that could stir speculation about her husband’s presidential preference.
Hagel was expected to announce her support at a 10 a.m. news conference in Alexandria. She was scheduled to appear with Susan Eisenhower, the granddaughter of President Eisenhower and a prominent “Obamican,” as the campaign calls its GOP supporters.
Lilibet Hagel, whose donations to the Obama campaign were made public by The Washington Post earlier this year, told the Associated Press in an interview that she has no idea whether her husband will endorse a candidate in the presidential race.
“You’ll have to ask him,” she said.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 5:34 pm 5:34 pm
“Dow’s down another 400 points today.”
The stock market reads the polls too. They know right now Obama is leading. They also know his economic plans are a recipe for an economic catastrophe.
So they are selling as simple act of self-preservation in the face of a predator.
That’s a free market voting with its feet.
Posted by: len | October 7, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
woody: “I could easily ask you to show me anything that he doesn’t share the same beliefs as Ayers.”
No you can’t. That’s a logical fallacy. It’s called negative proof. Basically, you can’t say “this is true, because there’s no proof that it’s false.” because by that logic, McCain is really an alien in disguise. There’s no proof he isn’t.
You have to provide proof that your claims are true. That’s the only way it works. Otherwise, you’ve got nothing.
Posted by: Aengil | October 7, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
“The stock market reads the polls too. They know right now Obama is leading. They also know his economic plans are a recipe for an economic catastrophe.”
len gets an A for made up reason to vote against Obama.
len what did you think of someone yelling out “Kill him” at a Palin rally.
Ready to blame that on Obama?
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
REMEMBER GANG——-KEEP AN EYE ON T BOON PICKINS—-HE IS UP TO SOMETHING—AND IT ISNT WIND.
GOT TO GET MY SODA AND CHIPS FOR THE SHOW TONIGHT.
Posted by: rodney | October 7, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
I’m sorry, but Obama was on a couple boards with Ayers that pushed educational reform. Those boards were full of Republicans, Democrats and people of every political persuasion. I suppose it’s possible that McCain supporters have never volunteered or served on a board. I guess it’s possible they’ve never come together with people from different backgrounds to improve their community. I suppose they’re merely ignorant that grown ups have to work with people they disagree with, even dislike, in order to make things better. I suppose…but what I think is more likely that you’re all smarter than that. I think you know that Obama’s not “palling around with terrorists” but you don’t care that he’s being smeared. You don’t care that McCain is lying about him. You don’t care about the real problems in this country. You just want to get your guy elected, and the ends justifies the means. And you have no problem pretending you’re merely stupid by supporting McCain’s desperation.
Posted by: Laura | October 7, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
LOL no wonder Obama looks like a fool, Axelrod can’t even answer a straight question without using doubletalk.
Posted by: Emm | October 7, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
Rich N.: Let’s see.
1. Untrue.
2. Subjective, based on your definition of ‘political activism’. Does not show Obama shares Ayer’s radical beliefs.
3. You don’t address the reason for opposition to the bill. Does not show Obama shares Ayer’s radical beliefs.
4. A distortion. What Obama actually said was that we need enough troops in Afghanistan so that we’re not forced to rely on airstrikes which inevitably result in civilian casualties. This is a valid point, supported by the facts. This does not show Obama shares Ayer’s radical beliefs.
5. These are quotes from Michelle Obama, not Obama himself, taken out of context. However, even if you take them on face value (which you shouldn’t), thinking America is downright mean, and only recently becoming proud of it, does not show that Obama shares Ayer’s radical beliefs.
6. ACORN has over 350,000 members, in around 850 neighbourhood groups. Do you really think they’re all involved in voter fraud? Support (note: you don’t specify the nature of said support) for ACORN does not prove any ill intent on the part of the supporter. Nor does it show that Obama shares Ayer’s radical beliefs.
So that’s zero out of six. You get an F.
Posted by: Aengil | October 7, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
How about looking into the voter fraud in NV by ACORN (i.e. Obama campaign). McCain campaign better get those lawyers ready, as this is going to make the Bush/Gore result look like a tea party.
CHICAGO THUG POLITICS ALREADY AT WORK IN EARLY VOTING STATES……STOP VOTER FRAUD!
McCAIN/PALIN ’08
Posted by: hanna | October 7, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
The Secret Service is following up on media reports today that someone in the crowd at a McCain/Palin event suggested killing Barack Obama, according to Secret Service spokesman Malcolm Wiley. The shout of “kill him” followed a Sarah Palin rant on Obama’s relationship with radical Chicagoan Bill Ayers.
Wiley says the Secret Service did not begin looking into the matter until press reports, namely Dana Milbank’s article in the Washington Post, surfaced today, because no agents at the event heard anything. “The Secret Service did not hear any threatening statements directed at targets under its protection and no threatening statements were reported to us by law enforcement or citizens at the event,” Wiley told Radar. Also unclear: whether the remark was directed at Obama or Ayers if the words were actually “kill” and “him.”
Wiley said that the Secret Service had tried to get in touch with Milbank to get his account of the event but was unsuccessful. Were the they able to confirm the remark they’d “be looking to talk to that person,” Wiley said. “We investigate everything because we take all threats seriously.”
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
Joe Vogler founded the AIP which Todd Palin was a member of for at least 7 years.
Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.
Posted by: RYan C | October 7, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
But it’s not the first time ACORN’s been under investigation for registration irregularities. The raid is the latest of at least nine investigations into possible fraudulent voter registration forms submitted by ACORN — the probes have involved ACORN workers in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Indiana and other states.
In 2006, ACORN also committed what Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed called the “worse case of election fraud” in the state’s history.
In the case, ACORN submitted just over 1,800 new voter registration forms, and all but six of the 1,800 names were fake.
More recently, 27,000 registrations handled by the group from January to July 2008 “went into limbo because they were incomplete, inaccurate, or fraudulent,” said James Terry, chief public advocate at the Consumers Rights League.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 7, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
How about looking into the voter fraud in NV by ACORN (i.e. Obama campaign). McCain campaign better get those lawyers ready, as this is going to make the Bush/Gore result look like a tea party.
CHICAGO THUG POLITICS ALREADY AT WORK IN EARLY VOTING STATES……STOP VOTER FRAUD!
McCAIN/PALIN ’08
Posted by: hanna | Oct 7, 2008 6:02:16 PM
But it’s not the first time ACORN’s been under investigation for registration irregularities. The raid is the latest of at least nine investigations into possible fraudulent voter registration forms submitted by ACORN — the probes have involved ACORN workers in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Indiana and other states.
In 2006, ACORN also committed what Washington Secretary of State Sam Reed called the “worse case of election fraud” in the state’s history.
In the case, ACORN submitted just over 1,800 new voter registration forms, and all but six of the 1,800 names were fake.
More recently, 27,000 registrations handled by the group from January to July 2008 “went into limbo because they were incomplete, inaccurate, or fraudulent,” said James Terry, chief public advocate at the Consumers Rights League.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 7, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
Obama is up in the polls. The Dow keeps dropping faster. Coincidence? Do you think those tax and wealth redistribution proposals make the markets want to celebrate?
“len what did you think of someone yelling out “Kill him” at a Palin rally”
Every party’s got a pooper, Ryan.
“Ready to blame that on Obama?”
No. He has enough hate mongering to account for. He doesn’t need any help.
Posted by: len | October 7, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Ryan C….have you noticed no one is covering Todd Palin’s anything other than love of THIS country? Do you really think Americans think the Palins are anything other than ALL AMERICAN? Let’s not even go there as Barack Hussein has so much crap tying him to ANTI AMERICAN ASSOCIATIONS, Muslim dads, terriorist half brother, terriorst contributors to his campaign, hateful Rev., radical Anti American associations THAT HE ACTS LIKE HE NEVER KNOWS…..DO WE REALLY WANT A PRESIDENT THIS STUPID HE DOESN’T KNOW ANIT AMERICAN WHEN IT HITS HIM IN THE FACE?
Posted by: hanna | October 7, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
“Obama is up in the polls. The Dow keeps dropping faster. Coincidence? Do you think those tax and wealth redistribution proposals make the markets want to celebrate?”
As pure an example of specious reasoning if there ever was one.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
“have you noticed no one is covering Todd Palin’s anything other than love of THIS country”
You mean FoxNews’s nauseating First Dude interview carried out by a fawning Greta?
First Dude will now have to answer questions regarding Troopergate.
Also what is First Dude’s official role and why is he copied on government business emails and privy to government meetings when he is neither elected or hired as an advisor?
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm
Top Dems behind this timing of the economic crisis….plays right into B. Hussein’s hands, as some Americans are too stupid to see his economic plan is not the way to go….AND FOR ALL YOU WELFARE RECIPIANTS AND OTHERS WITH YOUR HANDS OUT….THERE IS NOTHING MORE YOU ARE GOING TO GET.
OBAMA SAYS 95% OF AMERICANS WON’T HAVE THEIR TAXES RAISED…..WHEN 35% DON’T PAY TAXES NOW!!!! The lower income families are not paying now and we’re paying their share….folks there is only monopoly money Obama is going to give you.
Posted by: hanna | October 7, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
“The raid is the latest of at least nine investigations into possible fraudulent voter registration forms submitted by ACORN — the probes have involved ACORN workers in Wisconsin, New Mexico, Indiana and other states.”
Wow! At least NINE? You don’t say!
Of course, to put your numbers in perspective, ACORN has over 350,000 members in over 100 cities. And their latest voter registration drive has registered over 1.3 million voters in 21 states.
But yeah, those nine investigations show ACORN is completely corrupt. All those 1.3 million voters are made up. Of course they are. It’s not just a few rogue members abusing the system. Noooo, ACORN is evil! Evil I tell you!
Sheesh.
Posted by: Aengil | October 7, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
Ryan, seriously you are the only one with a crush on Todd Palin.
There is nothing you can hook on him as most Americans like the guy….he’s done nothing wrong….not like he’s said “For the first time, I’m proud of my country because my wife is running”, or “America is a mean place”…..that would be the lovely Michelle.
Campaign has her tied up again, as she has always been a detriment.
Posted by: hanna | October 7, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
“The raid is the latest of at least nine investigations into possible fraudulent voter registration forms submitted by ACORN ”
The Republican party currently has about a dozen investigations involving members of Congress, their aides, Bush admin members etc.
I guess the Republican Party is a criminal organization using HP Boston;s logic.
Posted by: Ryan c | October 7, 2008, 6:26 pm 6:26 pm
“There is nothing you can hook on him as most Americans like the guy….he’s done nothing wrong….”
He’s apparently cheated on his taxes in addition to being a member a secessionist party. And it remains to be seen if he inappropriately wielding the power of the governor’s office (we find out Oct 10th)
“Campaign has her tied up again, as she has always been a detriment.”
Michele has been out on the trail, campaigning for Obama, she will be in MN this week.
She will be appearing on the Daily Show and Larry King.
First Dude is sweating whether he will get a call from the IRS or the Alaskan legislature and Cindy is wondering if she can top spending $300K she spent for the RNC on an outfit for election day.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm
Question: What do Osama Bin Laden and Barak Obama have in common?
Answer: They both have friends who blew up the Pentagon.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 7, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Personally, I’m against any one, group, political party, or other organization, that undermines democratic principles, like, ummm counting votes, or pressuing the winning candidate out of a political race.
Democrats have been feeding us their line for decades… we were willing to buy it because they were the lesser of two evils. Then the ######, ( including the patriarchal handmaids) showed us their true colors…
the depth of their sexist bs, their willingness to allow it without so much as a peep from their quarter, the vile rulings in this last cycle of primary elections (I won’t begin the litany of violations and manipulations), etc. Don’t get me started on your boy’s racist crap either.
Don’t come in here and try to pretend that the Republicans are the exclusive party of sexism… we know better.
Where their are unenlightened boys, there is sexism, right wing, left wing, doesnt matter. Take a look at some of the blogs… and then try to convince us that the Republicans have the corner on sexism.
Where there are no fair elections, where votes aren’t counted, and elections are rigged, political positions matter not one iota.
Posted by: HP Boston | October 7, 2008, 6:40 pm 6:40 pm
Why can’t Axelrod and Gibbs answer a simple question: When did Barack Obama learn that his buddy Bill Ayers was a terrorist? I mean, all they have to do is ask their candidate. And BTW, why is ABC deleting this: What’s do Obama have in common? They both have terrorist friends who attacked the Pentagon!
Posted by: Mesquito | October 7, 2008, 6:48 pm 6:48 pm
This post is correct about one thing.
Obama and Axelrod both are setting the bar very low for Obama in this debate. Both saying that the “town hall” is McCain’s best format, etc. etc.
This is exactly what they did last week as well, before Biden debated Palin. They stated that she was one of the best debaters in American Politics, or something of that nature.
Of course, if Obama had acquiesced to any of those town hall debates that McCain had proposed months ago, he might have more of a leg up going into this one.
Posted by: SandyB | October 7, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm
What do Bush and Palin have in common?
They’re both idiots!
Posted by: JV | October 7, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Post a shorter cut & paste without links.
Cut & paste with imbedded links tend to get removed.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
I just don’t understand why Obama will not answer the one very basic question – why did he serve for seven years on an education board with Ayers, knowing Ayers’ background (he was recruited by Ayers to serve as chairman – they served on another board together too) If Obama answers that question honestly, I’ll have new respect for him, but avoiding the questions only makes us wonder why he refuses to talk about it.
Posted by: Cut and Paste | October 7, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Aengil
Thank God Obama left Project Vote 2 years before ACORN took it over.
Posted by: MM | October 7, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm
hanna
Are you saying if I make 10,000 a year on top of living expenses and necessities, I should still pay taxes.
Posted by: MM | October 7, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
‘Cut and Paste’: You might as well ask Obama why he works in the senate with people he disagrees with. The answer is self-evident – the work is the issue, not who else is part of the organization.
If you quit something every time you find yourself working with someone you disagree with on something unrelated to the work, you’d quit pretty much everything.
Also, it’s a distortion to say that Ayers recruited Obama. His appointment was suggested by Deborah Leff, one of the working group of five who assembled the initial board that appointed Obama. Similarly for the Woods Fund. As politifact states, ‘Neither chose the other to work with either group.’
Posted by: Aengil | October 7, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
Jim Cramer (bald guy financial show)
What will New York look like a year from now? The answer: bad and probably worse, and perhaps downright catastrophic. Three degrees of awful. The first step was passing the bank-bailout legislation. Now that it’s done—and if it didn’t get done we would have been looking at a guaranteed economic collapse—the critical issue will be presidential leadership. And while any president will be an improvement over the current one, there is a growing belief on Wall Street that Barack Obama has the capacity to lead us out of this wilderness while John McCain does not. I’ll go a step further: Obama is a recession. McCain is a depression.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 7:26 pm 7:26 pm
John McCain’s lead has been cut by over half in Alaska, but he still leads Barack Obama by 15 points, 55% to 40%, in the latest Rasmussen Reports telephone survey of voters in the state.
A month ago, in the first poll since McCain named Alaska’s highly popular governor, Sarah Palin, as his running mate, the Republican led Obama 64% to 33%. In the two months prior to that, he was ahead by just five.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Take the brackets out.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue.
That’s right … Iran. The Islamic dictatorship. The taker of American hostages. The rogue nation that McCain and Palin have excoriated Obama for suggesting we diplomatically engage. That Iran.
AIP leaders allege that Vogler, who was murdered that year by a fellow secessionist, was taken out by powerful forces in the U.S. before he could reach his U.N. platform. “The United States government would have been deeply embarrassed,” by Vogler’s U.N. speech, darkly suggests Clark. “And we can’t have that, can we?”
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm
MORE INFO ON AIP – TODD PALIN’S ANTI-AMERICAN SECESSIONIST GROUP
AIP’s founder Joe Vogler’s greatest moment of glory was to be his 1993 appearance before the United Nations to denounce United States “tyranny” before the entire world and to demand Alaska’s freedom. The Alaska secessionist had persuaded the government of Iran to sponsor his anti-American harangue…
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel.
So much for Palin’s tough talk on Iran. Her friends in the AIP were clearly collaborating with Iran. Her husband was clearly a member of this fringe party for seven years. And Sarah Palin herself clearly supported them, praising their “good work” and asking God to “bless them” only this year.
Posted by: you betcha that's a problem | October 7, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
The campaign realizes that nipping these McCain attacks in the bud does two things…
It reassures antsy Dems and unconvinced swing voters that Obama will defend himself against these “outrageous lies.”
It also manages to keep the McCain talking points off the air and out of the campaign dialogue. How can the attacks stay in the headlines if Obama keeps rebutting them with harsh jabs of his own?
Posted by: matt | October 7, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
“The campaign realizes that nipping these McCain attacks in the bud does two things…
It reassures antsy Dems and unconvinced swing voters that Obama will defend himself against these “outrageous lies.”
It also manages to keep the McCain talking points off the air and out of the campaign dialogue. How can the attacks stay in the headlines if Obama keeps rebutting them with harsh jabs of his own? ”
Good analysis.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 7, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Palin today: “Obama said, too, that our troops in Afghanistan are ‘air raiding villages and killing civilians,’” Palin said, mischaracterizing a 2007 remark by Obama. “I hope Americans know that is not what our brave men and women in uniform are doing in Afghanistan. The U.S. military is fighting terrorism and protecting us and protecting our freedom.” Shortly afterward, a male member of the crowd in Jacksonville, Florida, yelled “treason!” loudly enough to be picked up by television microphones.
Palin and McCain can’t be held responsible for the fact that racists are part of their base, but now she has people thinking Barack Obama is a traitor purely because she’s misleading them into thinking that he is. This is on her.
Matthew
Posted by: ebarracuda | October 7, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
John McCain in 2000 said because of tactical decisions U.S. troops were put in the position of killing civilians in Kosovo — something awfully similar to the comments he’s now attacking Barack Obama for.
During a Republican primary debate in 2000 McCain called the Clinton strategy in Kosovo “obscene” because it forced troops into using tactics that meant civilians were going to get killed.
“In the most obscene chapter in recent American history is the conduct of the Kosovo conflict when the president of the United States refused to prepare for ground operations, refused to have air power used effectively because he wanted them flying — he had them flying at 15,000 feet where they killed innocent civilians because they were dropping bombs from such — in high altitude.”
Posted by: Aussie | October 7, 2008, 7:45 pm 7:45 pm
Sarah Palin said Obama should be “disqualified” for his remark about Afghanistan. Naturally, she will hold her running mate to the same standard.
Posted by: Aussie | October 7, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Embedded within a comprehensive Monday report from NPR on Barack Obama’s history with William Ayers, there is an interesting bit of straight talk from a former Republican who served in the state legislature.
Discussing Ayers’ rehabilitation as a member in good standing of the education policy-wonk community, former state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson said: “It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier … It’s ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It’s nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It’s so silly.”
Posted by: Aussie | October 7, 2008, 8:01 pm 8:01 pm
Here is how dumb Axelrod and co. think we are:
Wow. He didn’t know…
Hey, Barack, want to go to a fundraiser for you down the street?
Sure, who is hosting it? Bill Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn.
Who are they?
Education professor, great guy. Used to be a fugitive-Weather Underground…ever hear of them? She is a law professor too…you ever run into her? She was a BIG radical–WU too. Blew stuff up, almost killed people but never quite hit anyone. You never heard of the WU, huh?
No, sorry.
What? I thought you went Columbia and Harvard and Yale? You surely took some classes on the sixties, since you were into community organizing. Better get your money back. I know guys in community college with a better understanding of history than that..oh well…
This is now more than being about Ayers’s past…it is not about Obama’s blatant dishonesty in distancing himself from Ayers.
Posted by: Wade | October 7, 2008, 8:07 pm 8:07 pm
Ryan C:
If “nipping in the bud” means downplaying and willfully obfuscating obvious truths about their relationship, then those goals may well be attained.
Posted by: Wade | October 7, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm
McCain really doesn’t get it.
It’s going downhill with the elections and I’m a amazed he just keeps making the wrong decisions and then blames it on Obama.
Keep on making these raging attacks …
it only will turn undecided voters away. The attack on the media and the anti-Obama hysteria and hatred just scare them away.
Latest poll 9 points ahead..
Posted by: CLabs | October 7, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
Jake, you are really reaching here. No “…clear explaination of their relationship from the Obama campaign”.
On the Obama website it states: “William Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, with whom Barack served on the board of an education-reform organization in the mid-1990’s.”
I think that is pretty clear. I don’t know how you could get any more clear than that. Questioning if he knew Ayres’ past when he met or when did he find out about it is ridiculous. Asking those questions is biased coverage.
You make it sound like knowing Ayres is somehow unseemly.
How is it unseemly to know somebody? What is this country coming to? Back in the day, we wrote a Bill of Rights that enshrined the right to freedom of association. Why? Because here in America we believe that you judge people on their own actions, not the actions of others.
Posted by: Mike | October 7, 2008, 8:24 pm 8:24 pm
Mesquito,
I think the more appropriate question is why is McCain best buds with Liddy, Singlaub and why did he choose a veep with a terrorist affiliation? Didn’t he vet her?
Obama/Biden all the way!
Posted by: Yes We Can | October 7, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
I don’t have a specific favorite; so I can go either way: O. or Mc., or neither one. Not an opinion but my sense is just telling me that Mc. may have no big “CHANGE”-potential, which could be good or bad, while O. may have BIG-CHANGE potential, which could be BIG-GOOD or BIG-BAD……the answer is not clear in my mind, yet.
Posted by: Ted | October 7, 2008, 8:27 pm 8:27 pm
Tony Rezko was scheduled to be sentenced October 28th. Mysteriously that has now been delayed indefinitely. Now how is it Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald, who has been hell bent to get the Governor through Rezko, all of a sudden called off the sentencing that was to happen right before the election? Tony’s been talking to the Feds. Word in Chicago and Springfield is the Obama campaign is resting a little easier.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | October 7, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
“The (obama) campaign realizes that nipping these McCain attacks in the bud does two things..’
——-
And they do it by sneaking their disrupters into the peaceful listeners to generate noise and annoyance and invade the rights of those people rightfully gathered to hear what the campaigner has to say.
In other words, Obama’s cultists interfere with the freedom of speech and the right for peaceful groups to congregate …. granted us by the Constitution of this land!
They did it at the Republican convention and at almost every Republican gathering of any size.
They do because they are afraid…. very afraid…. that if people were to hear the “other side”, Obama nation would fall swiftly by the wayside.
Posted by: klondike kate..... | October 7, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm
RL in Illinois
Federal Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald has already stated there is no alegation or evidence of any wrong doing on Barack Obama’s part!
So who care when he is sentenced ?
Posted by: Aussie | October 7, 2008, 8:33 pm 8:33 pm
“Let not forget Sarah Palin association’s with the radical Alaska Independence Party that wants to secede from this great country, the United States of America.’
All STATES WANT TO SECEDE FROM THE UNION
at one time or another!
Heck! I remember when Long Island wanted to secede from New York!
Jimmy Carter ran for office from a state which tried to secede!Leave SARAH ALONE!
SHE BITES!
Posted by: klondike kate..... | October 7, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
Aussie: Not exactly true. Tony Rezko was a chief fundraiser for Obama. His campaign is breathing a sigh of relief. It’s just amazing that after all this time, the sentencing is suddenly delayed “indefinately.” Why it’s almost like an Obama miracle!
Posted by: RL in Illinois | October 7, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm
A GOP member agrees William Ayers’ past was unknown to many in Chicago politics, including Obama.
“John McCain has accepted over one thousand dollars in campaign money from Arnie Weber, a known associate of ‘domestic terrorist’ William Ayers.” “Arnold R. “Arnie” Weber was Assistant Secretary of Labor and Associate Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Richard Nixon. Arnie Weber, who also held several other Washington insider jobs, is a former president of the Commercial Club of Chicago’s Civic Committee and is a longtime Republican donor. Most startlingly, from 1995 through 1999, Arnie Weber was a Board Member of the infamous Chicago Annnenberg Challenge founded by known domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.”
Walter Annenberg, a lifelong Republican and former ambassador who was appointed by Presidents Nixon and Reagan, funded an ambitious program to reform urban education in many cities in the mid 1990s. Ayers was an important member of the group that developed and wrote the grant proposal to the Annenberg Foundation.
“It was never a concern by any of us in the Chicago school reform movement that he had led a fugitive life years earlier,” said former Illinois state Republican Rep. Diana Nelson, who worked with both Obama and Ayers over the years. “It’s ridiculous. There is no reason at all to smear Barack Obama with this association. It’s nonsensical, and it just makes me crazy. It’s so silly.”
“John McCain has accepted over one thousand dollars in campaign money from Arnie Weber, a known associate of ‘domestic terrorist’ William Ayers.” “Arnold R. “Arnie” Weber was Assistant Secretary of Labor and Associate Director of the Office of Management and Budget under President Richard Nixon. Arnie Weber, who also held several other Washington insider jobs, is a former president of the Commercial Club of Chicago’s Civic Committee and is a longtime Republican donor. Most startlingly, from 1995 through 1999, Arnie Weber was a Board Member of the infamous Chicago Annnenberg Challenge founded by known domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.”
Annenberg? The GOP member who agrees William Ayers’ past was unknown to many in Chicago politics, including Obama? That Walter Annenberg?
But anyway…McCain took Arnie Weber’s $1500 contribution and hasn’t given it back.
Posted by: kravitz | October 7, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
Once upon a time I met someone who would later become a friend. At the time of meeting him, he seemed well spoken, had made great strides in his community. He supported acts to reform domestic violence, assisted the elderly, worked in soup kitchens from time to time.
He was quite a wonderful being. Turns out however, when I was young, I was naive and trusting. I let the man into my home, and while he has done nothing out of the ordinary, I found he his past was murky. He had done things he wasn’t so proud of.
My friends and colleagues now condemn me, even though many differing books on religion point to a level of “understanding” and fairness. My life is now shattered because of his actions, when I wholeheartedly knew nothing of his past.
Irrespective of his current progress in life, reforming himself, he should forever be condemned for his actions 20 years ago. In fact he should face the death penalty. There is no reform, once a bad person, always a bad person period. We need the punishing laws of the US where if someone gets a parking ticket, it will forever remain on their record.
Job Interview: “Have you ever been convicted of a crime?” xYes No
Off with their head. We don’t need a society who is forgiving of the past. We need a society that cries over the milk we spilled last week. What else is there to focus on in this economy. Politics?
Posted by: J. O | October 7, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
Don’t say Obama’s middle name.
Don’t ask him about his radical work associates.
Don’t ask him about his radical minister.
Don’t ask him about his radical wife.
Don’t vet him.
Don’t ask him follow up questions.
Don’t ask him what he has accomplished.
Don’t ask him about his core principals.
Don’t hold him to his words because his wwords don’t matter.
Posted by: ubu1991 | October 7, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm
I seem to recall that Mr McCain was reprimanded for his bad decision for supporting Mr Keating. Bad decision, does anyone hear that? Mr Mcain has been supporting a losing agenda, one bad decision by this president over and over again. How many bad decisions does he get to make and keep supporting as president? I don’t want to watch that or pay that price again. The war, taking away our freedoms in a bill pushed through fearmongering, the economy, the disgraceful response after Hurricane Katrina, the deregulation of companies that needed to be regulated, wasteful spending of money meant to protect us in our communities become payday earmarks, electing people with no real experience but to expand the good ole boy network, and on and on and on. Stop the hemorrage, change the bandage! Get on board with Obama are you nuts or just stubborn?
Posted by: Kerry B | October 7, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Everyone probably knows someone who has a shady past that we are not aware of. Some of us have friends and relatives who have views that are not popular and we try to overlook. Senator Obama seems to know a lot of people with shady pasts that he doesn’t know about until the press reports it. He knows people who he counts as close family friends and vows to stand by until death, or until they becomes a political liability. Which ever comes first. … The worst thing the Obama people can dig up about Sen. McCain is the Keating 5 scandal. The investigation proved that he had done nothing wrong. … Senator Obama is a dangerous leftist. He vows to raise taxes on business owners who will pass the cost to us, we pay indirectly. He won’t listen to professional soldiers who have spent a lifetime studying and gaining experience for war. He will circumvent the Second Amendment whenever possible and surrender our sovereignty to the UN. I half hope he makes is just so I can say “I tried to tell you.”
Posted by: Oonogil | October 7, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm
By the reasoning of the republicans, McCain cannot be President because he “pals” around with Obama (in the Senate). Hell, McCain shook Obama’s hand at the debate.
Obama/Biden 08!
Posted by: Common Sense | October 8, 2008, 4:45 am 4:45 am
I was wondering why is was never mentioned that Obama campaigned for his cousin’s presidential run in Kenya. His cousin basically wanted to ban public christianity and wanted to provide a safe haven for islamic radicals in kenya. His cousins slogan was even similar to Obama’s. That is not opinion, it is fact.
Posted by: jb | October 8, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am
Barack Obama Should Withdraw As The Democratic Nominee:
Yesterday, the Las Vegas offices of the Association of Community Organizations (ACORN) was raided by Nevada State Agents.
ACORN is an organization that works to get low income people to vote. The Nevada Secretary of State’s office said that the investigators were looking for evidence of voter fraud. ACORN Has Been Implicated In Similar Schemes In 14 Other States – Including Ohio, Where A Worker Traded Crack Cocaine For Fraudulent Registrations.”
So, what does this have to do with Barack Obama and his possible withdrawal as the Standard Bearer of his Party? To find out the answer to that we have to go back to the 1990′s and to William Ayers. Mr. Obama’s past activities in ACORN could be the very thing that will ultimately cause him to withdraw-or certainly he will be forced to withdraw if the allegations against him prove to be true, and it looks like there is cause for serious concern.
Some Facts:
Senator Obama was the first Chairman of the Board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, which was a Division, or Project, of the Annenberg Foundation. William Ayers, the notorious Unrepentant Weather Underground Terrorist, a friend of the Obamas, was key in founding the Challenge, largely due to his connections to Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago. Noteworthy is the fact that Ayers father, Thomas Ayers, former CEO of ComED which was owned by Exelon, was a close friend of Daley’s father, who had also been Mayor of Chicago (the current CEO of ComEd, Frank M. Clark, is a major money handler for the Obama campaign).
The MSM or Main Stream Media has been purposely shelving this story for a long time, but as the old saying goes..”The truth ultimately prevails”. It looks as if the truth of the extent of Obama’s relationship with William Ayers is not the truth as presented by Barack Obama. When Obama made his first run for political office, articles in both the Chicago Defender and the Hyde Park Herald featured among his qualifications his position as chairman of the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, a foundation where Ayers was not only a founder but influential with key Chicago officials.
During Obama’s tenure as Annenberg board chairman, Ayers’s personal education projects received substantial funding. During its first year, the CAC struggled with serious concerns about possible conflicts of interest. With a writ to aid Chicago’s public schools, the Annenberg challenge played a deeply political role in Chicago’s education skirmishes and as Annenberg board chairman, Obama clearly aligned himself with Ayers’s radical views on education issues. With Obama heading up the board and Ayers heading up the other key operating body of the Annenberg Challenge, the two had a close working relationship for years (“exchanging ideas on a regular basis”).
Therefore, when Ayers and Dorhn hosted that kickoff for the first Obama campaign, it was not random at all, but rather, further evidence of a close and ongoing political partnership. This relationship clearly contradicts Obama’s dismissal of the significance of his relationship with Ayers. Obviously Bill Ayers was not just “a guy who lives in my neighborhood” as Obama stated ever so casually as the extent of their relationship. The relationship was much more intimate than he led the American people to believe. In short, he lied to the American people.
Obama’s service at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge not only raises serious questions about the truthfulness of his account of his relationship with Ayers but other questions as to possible voter fraud and what really happened during the Democratic primaries.
ACORN has received payments of nearly a million dollars from the Barack Obama Campaign in 2008. Apparently the payments were funneled through Citizens Services Inc., and may have been falsely reported to the FEC. Other grantees during their tenure included PLO employee Rashid Khalidi and the Obamas’ church, Trinity United. Access to the CAC records promises to provide a treasure of documentary evidence which is now just beginning to come out, from Obama’s policy views, to his political-ideological views, and a plethora of other information concerning him and his connection with William Ayers.
The intended use of the money, which was to educate children in a wholesome and traditional manner was not done at all. Obama instead, personally taught Radicalism to young students. Various proposals from groups focused on math/science achievement for example were all turned down. Instead CAC distributed money through far-left community organizers, such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (or ACORN) which again, is under investigation for Fraud.
Obama’s Radical Activities:
Obama’s radical activities are well noted during this period. Obama actively sought and received the stamp of approval of a Marxist third party that operated briefly in Chicago between 1992 and 1998. The New Party was a Marxist political coalition whose objective was to endorse and elect leftist public officials -most often Democrats. The New Party’s short-term objective was to move the Democratic Party leftward, thereby setting the stage for the eventual rise of new Marxist third party.
Most New Party members hailed from the Democratic Socialists of America and the militant organization ACORN. The party’s Chicago chapter also included a large contingent from the Committees of Correspondence, a Marxist coalition of former Maoists, Trotskyists, and Communist Party USA members.
Obviously there will be more revelations to come in the following days. In my view, Barack Obama should consider withdrawing as the Democratic Nominee. The investigation will almost certainly result in very serious charges such as voter fraud, malfeasance, and misappropriation of funds to name just a few. Surely that is not what the Democratic Party nor the country needs, especially when America is in a terrible crisis, both with the economy and war.
Posted by: Al MacLeod | October 8, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am
When asked about Bill Ayers, Obama said, “Uh, he is just a guy in my neighborhood.”
When asked about Bill Ayers association with Obama, Axelrod said, “they live in the same neighborhood and their kids go to the same school”.
Give me a break! Obama tried to hide his connections to Bill Ayers. Obama did not reveal that indeed, he did have “executive” experience – he served as chairman on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge – for 5 years – with Bill Ayers. He also served on The Wood Fund with Bill Ayers for 9 years. He didn’t reveal that one of his first “coming-out” parties (politically) was held at the home of Bill Ayers. He didn’t reveal that he endorsed Bill Ayers book and helped launch it at a forum at the University of Illinois (Chicago) arranged by Michelle Obama. Oh – he also wrote a blurb in the front of it! Also, Michelle Obama worked with Bill Ayer’s wife, Bernadine Dorne, at the same law firm for 3 years. And, their kids do not go to the same school – they are over 20 years apart in age!
Now, ask yourself, why was Obama trying to hide his association with Ayers?
Posted by: Mary Brown | October 8, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am
“[Obama] didn’t reveal that he endorsed Bill Ayers book and helped launch it at a forum at the University of Illinois (Chicago) arranged by Michelle Obama. Oh – he also wrote a blurb in the front of it! Also, Michelle Obama worked with Bill Ayer’s wife, Bernadine Dorne, at the same law firm for 3 years … Now, ask yourself, why was Obama trying to hide his association with Ayers?”
Posted by: Belle Starr | October 8, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Here the right question to ask about Obama, Ayers, and the CAC:
When did the Annenberg Foundation, founded by a Reagan Republican, realize that Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist and why did they give him $50 million to improve education in Chicago?
Or to back up one more step:
When did tens of Chicago educators and administrators realize that Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist and why did they submit a $50 million grant proposal with him to improve local schools?
In 1995, when Obama was asked to chair the CAC board, 100s of people were already involved in organizing the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Multiple foundations, administrators, and educators were already working with Ayers.
This group included presidents of banks and universities, business leaders, and foundation heads. Many involved were older and from Chicago, and unlike Obama, certainly knew Ayers’ history as a local domestic terrorist during the Vietnam era.
Was it an issue for any of them at the time that Obama was asked to join?
Would they have warned him? Would they have considered it a concern? Would they have even mentioned it?
Ask them, Jake?
Posted by: Alan Campayne | October 8, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
“When did the Annenberg Foundation, founded by a Reagan Republican, realize that Bill Ayers was a domestic terrorist and why did they give him $50 million to improve education in Chicago?”
Posted by: Belle Starr | October 8, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm