By Natalie Gewargis

Oct 15, 2008 2:33pm

Axelrod on Debates: Wonders if ‘McCain 7.0’ Will Show Up, Says Obama Has Learned McCain ‘Doesn’t Like to Look at Him Very Often’

The top adviser to Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., today contemplated whether Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., would introduce a new strategy at tonight’s debate — "McCain 7.0," he sneered — and said the debates had clearly helped Obama rise in the polls.

"We’ve gained after each of these debates, including the VP debate, as I think people have gotten more familiar not just with the candidates but with the choice," said Obama’s senior strategist David Axelrod.

"We’re not in the business of reinventing ourselves from debate to debate," Axelrod told reporters as the Obama campaign plane flew from Toledo to New York City Wednesday afternoon. Axelrod said Obama’s "consistency" throughout the debates, and the campaign in general, had helped him as he got to speak to 50-70 million of them without the filter of the media or his opponents’ attack ads.

And what has Obama learned from these debates?

"He’s learned that (McCain) doesn’t like to look at him very often," Axelrod said, noting the Republican’s predilection for avoiding eye contact with his opponent. "I don’t think it’s of that much consequence" to Obama but "obviously, it was noted."

Axelrod added, "whatever the idiosyncrasies of Sen. McCain’s debating style," Obama would focus on talking about issues. He said Obama was prepared for whatever questions or attacks might come his way this evening at Hofstra University at the third and final presidential debate, to be moderated by CBS News’ Bob Schieffer. Obama intends to focus "on the future of the country" and focus on issues, hoping tonight’s forum, with its focus on domestic issues, would allow the Democrat to talk more about energy, education and health care.

Tonight will be "the last chance for folks to see these candidates side by side and take the measure of them," said Axelrod, adding that this being the last debate would "accentuate the decision-making process for people still making their choices."

Axelrod said he personally thought Obama had impressed the American people.

McCain has suggested that since Obama remarked to ABC News’ Charlie Gibson that McCain didn’t make "to his face," in the last debate, any of the direct attacks on his character that his campaign had been making on the stump, he’d "assured" that McCain would at the very least raise Obama’s relationship with former 60s radical William Ayers.

Axelrod disputed a reporter’s characterization that Obama was "goad"ing McCain into raising the issue, saying Obama had merely been making "an observation." He said attacks like that "are not what the American people want to hear. … There is such a seriousness of purpose among voters this year."

With all the talk of campaign tactics, and whether McCain can make a game-changing move tonight as Obama ascends in many polls, Axelrod said, "I think Sen. McCain’s problem is fundamental, which is he’s got a bad argument. He’s essentially on the wrong side of history. He’s arguing for a set of policies and an approach that have been discredited in a really dramatic way over the last eight years, and I’m not sure any stylistic change or approach in a debate can change that."

Obama has improved quite a bit as a debater since that first Democratic primary debate in South Carolina in April 2007, Axelrod said.

"He’s honed his debating style over the course of these 25 debates," Axelrod said. "He’s said before that the format of it wasn’t always … something that came naturally to him. I think he’s mastered it very, very well."

ABC News pointed out that Obama was criticized for his response to a question in that first debate about what he would do immediately in response to another terrorist attack on U.S. soil.

Obama said then, "the first thing we’d have to do is make sure that we’ve got an effective emergency response, something that this administration failed to do when we had a hurricane in New Orleans."

That gave Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and former Sen. John Edwards, D-N.C., the openings to say their first response would be to swiftly retaliate, and their campaigns said Obama’s instincts were all wrong.

Axelrod seemed to acknowledge that Obama now gives more muscular responses to questions about terrorism, though "his views haven’t changed."

– Jake Tapper and Sunlen Miller

User Comments

wrong on the issues…
down in the polls…
losing the election..
Conservatives & Republicans acting like the Titanic……. fleeing the sinking ship…after they wrecked it……

Posted by: Blue | October 15, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

I dont like looking at him either

Posted by: whatever | October 15, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Why don’t your McCain supporters ever, and I mean ever, stick to the topic and talk about your own candidate instead of attacking Sen. Obama. Psst…is it because you are ignorant of the facts in regards to the economy. READ THE PAPER!!

Posted by: Robyn | October 15, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

“McCain 7.0″
ROFLMAO

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

The truth hurts, and Obama does not want you to know the truth. It is unfathomable what is really happening here at this time in America. We cannot get honest, true journalism from ABC, NBC, CBS and many other news outlets. We Americans must dig deep to find the truth. Thank God there are intelligent people like me who DO search for the truth, and the truth here is appalling. Obama should not be running for President. He is not what he claims to be. Great article. Thank you Tony Blankley.

Posted by: ML | October 15, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

“Wednesday’s debate may be his last chance to win this race.
By John Dickerson”
This was.
john Dickerson- in the Obama tank.

Posted by: geevill | October 15, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Is McCain going to wimp out and not repeat his nasty attacks to Obama’s face?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

All very good observations. The lack of eye contact with Obama may be in part that while McCain thinks he’s superior he’s actually very intimidated by Obama. McCain who just barely graduated from the US Naval Academy, who’s very poor at math, history, and logic, face to face with Obama, an honors graduate with a double major in history and politcal science as well as a Harvard Law degree.

Posted by: Baitcaster | October 15, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

After careful consideration I must vote for Sarah Palin and John McCain. How did I come to this conclusion, after 8 years of republican rule I feel this country is already beyond redemption so I may as well go with the flow. The real deciding factor for me was Sarah Palin, when I loose all my savings, my job, my house and my car at least I will still have a good laugh when she speaks. That wink of hers is sure to make me feel warm and fuzzy as everything I have goes down the drain.

Posted by: LANNY EDWARDS | October 15, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Unless McCain comes out with authentic pictures of Obama and his family in Muslim garb holding Ak-47′s with homemade bombing devices taped across their midsections while burning the American flag…I’m voting for Obama.
Good luck John. I mean, I like you, but I’m starting to feel sorry for you.

Posted by: Independent Fighter | October 15, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Geevil’s response to anyone’s comments – “They’re in the tank for Obama”

Posted by: How Original | October 15, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

Robyn I am voting for experience. I dont see myself promoting the guy that was just hired to work on the loading dock to CEO of the company

Posted by: whatever | October 15, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm

He looks like the devil. I can’t stand looking at him either. God help us all if we have to look at him for 4 years

Posted by: Sandy | October 15, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

McCAIN 7.0 = McCARTHY 2.0
“I think we should tell him that he has in his law firm a young man, who has been for a number of years a member of an organization, which many years ago, was named as the legal arm of the Communist Party.”
Sen. Joe McCarthy (1954)
“I think people should know that Sen Obama has associated with a man, that 40 years ago, was a member of an organization that advocated domestic terrorism.”
Sen. John McCain (2008)
“Senator. You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”
Special Counsel for the Army Joseph N. Welch (1954) and the American Public (2008)

Posted by: History Repeats Itself | October 15, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

McCain treated Romney the same way. He rarely glanced in Romney’s direction and often spoke down to Romney.
This superior attitude is obvious in the Obama/McCain debates.
Whenever the voters get a real look at Obama. his numbers go up. Unless McCain hits the ball out of the park then it’s over.

Posted by: Vanessa | October 15, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

People usually don’t come out to vote when things are going fine, I believe this election they will come out in numbers that this nation hasn’t seen before. The Bottom line is that, things are tough, and when one party is the main reason for the demise of the economy or other problems, the people usually vote for the other party, it’s just a fact of life. I do believe it really wouldn’t matter who is running against McCain, I think they would still win. If this was Hilliary Clinton running against him now, the margin she would be ahead would be over 20 points. And with Early voting already starting in so many states, when you’re that far down in the polls, it will be tough to change so many minds later on, when so many people have already voted. The next thing the Republicans need to do, is try to save as many Senate seats as possible, don’t know if that is possible, because what it looks like, that so many people blame the Republicans for the mess that this country is in, if they didn’t so many Republicans would not be getting voted out.

Posted by: on the fence | October 15, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Sandy, you are right. McCain not only looks like the devil, he IS the devil

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

Robyn I am voting for experience. I dont see myself promoting the guy that was just hired to work on the loading dock to CEO of the company
——————
Agreed, I thought Palin was a poor choice also.

Posted by: Talking Parrot | October 15, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Sandy, you are right. McCain not only looks like the devil, he IS the devil
————————–
blah, blah, blah
PRESIDENT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA!
Better get used to it. :)

Posted by: Talking Parrot | October 15, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

McCain would be nuts to bring up Ayers. He would leave himself open to ridicule for picking Wm. Timmons to head his transition team. Timmons is a former paid lobbyist who worked on behalf of SADDAM HUSSEIN after the first Iraq war! Talk about consorting with terrorists. Timmons is a traitor. McCain consorts with traitors.

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

MY FELLOW PRISONERS:
As I attempt to figure out my best possible scenario for changing EVERYTHING by letting everything ride on one roll of the dice in tonight’s debate, I’ve come to the conclusion that errrrrrrrrrr………..
I’ve got him right where I want him! Right? Errrrrr, My fellow prisoners, are you with me? Errrrrr, anyone out there?
(crickets chirping)
Everyone will be watching the Dodger/Philly game anyways. There’s nothing McCain can or will do.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 15, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

ANY DEMOCRAT REPUBLICAN OR INDEPENDENT THAT WANTS TO KNOW WHY MCCAINS SMEAR TEAM MAKES A BIG DEAL ABOUT OBAMA’S BIRTH CERTIFICATE NEEDS TO KNOW THIS:
McCain is not a natural born citizen….
SO HE CANT BE PRESIDENT!
THREE COURT CASES HAVE BEEN LAUNCHED IN THREE DIFFERENT STATES….
THE FIRST IS:
Fred Hollander v. Senator John McCain & Republican National Committee.
BEFORE YOU SAY IT MR HOLLANDER IS NOT AN OBAMA SUPPORTER HE IS A RON PAUL SUPPORTER.
RON PAUL HIMSELF HAS SAID MCCAIN CANT BE PRESIDENT!
FYI

Posted by: Mike NC | October 15, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Senator McCain is on the wrong side of history. Obama victory is yours all the way. GO OBAMA/BIDEN 08/12

Posted by: mike | October 15, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm

Talking Parrot I am a independent voter. Obama is WAY to far left, has no experience and I do not like his socialist agenda.

Posted by: whatever | October 15, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

whaatever: socialist agenda? Are you kidding me? Bush and pals just proposed one of the biggest socialist plans ever hatched in this country: nationalizing the banks!

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

How about that audience plant that told McCain she though Obama was an Arab. Boy, John played the nice guy to that question in order to reverse some of the hate rhetoric him and Palin had been spreading, which was really hurting them in the poles. I am surprised they didn’t go really ridiculous with that question and ask if Obama was a Martian. I can hear it now: John, No Obama is not a Martian, he is just an ordinary family guy who happens to be from the fourth rock from the sun.

Posted by: LANNY EDWARDS | October 15, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm

With every passing day, McChicken falls further and further behind in Obama’s rearview mirror. O is going to need a high powered telescope to spot him by the time election day rolls around.
Have you seen the early voting numbers?
2 to 1 for Obama………
THIS IS GOING TO BE A LANDSLIDE.
(Even the cynics know it)
How does it feel to see McChicken being systematically stripped of everything politically. By November, he’ll be standing in a barrel with his Ferragamo shoes on.

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 15, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

I have to concur I can’t look at his face either. The face of dishonesty and
disillusion. The facts are coming out but it may be too late to matter. I will jump on the band wagon if he does become president to let everyone know that voted him in what they lost by doing so. Our dignity, our pride our honor. I only hope that all the people still undecided and even people who have. Take off the rose colored glasses. Research yourselfs if you do not believe what you hear. The main stream media is not giving you all the facts.

Posted by: jubrown3 | October 15, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

What kind of candidate doesn’t say anything to anyone’s face?
McChicken McCain
Big Bad War Hero reduced to Bozo the Clown. All due to his own choosing.

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 15, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm

socialist agenda ???
I DONT GET IT ?
OBAMA IS GOING TO GIVE MOST AMERICANS 95% A TAX BREAK AND LEAVE 4% ABOUT WHERE THEY ARE AND RAISE THE LAST ONE PERCENT BACK TO WHAT THEY PAID UNDER CLINTON!
HMM WAS CLINTON A SOCAILIST ?
I THINK SOME PEOPLE THINK FOX NEWS IS REAL NEWS ?

Posted by: Mike NC | October 15, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

“What kind of candidate says “Say it to my face”"
The kind of candidate who expects more than cowards like McCain can deliver.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

When that one raises the taxes on corporations who do you think they are going to pass those taxes onto?

Posted by: boxcar | October 15, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm

I predict tonight my fellow Prisoners Mccain will bring up Ayers,Then Obama will counterpunch with something,Maybe Keating five something, and I can see Mccain anger arising and his temper flaring! He doesnt like to talk about Keating five and being found unethical like his Pit bull VP,Mcinsane claims that was the worst part of his life. although he has been known to say his first marriage you know the one where he left his crippled wife for Mrs Botox,That was the most horrible time of his life, so I dont know folks things might get very Violent up in there

Posted by: Angie | October 15, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

The reason McCain can’t look Obama in the face is….McCain is truly a good human being and he can’t stand to look Obama in the face while he continues lies-if a man or woman can’t look you in the face then they intend to lie to you or about you.

Posted by: Jeanette | October 15, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm

“How about that audience plant that told McCain she though Obama was an Arab”
She was a plant alright…a republican one.
“Quinnell I still do. Yeah. I’m not alone. I go to Burnsville, the main Republican headquarters and I do a lot of work over there. A lot of sending out mail and talking to people. And all the people agree with what I’m saying to you about Obama”

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

“When that one raises the taxes on corporations who do you think they are going to pass those taxes onto”
How does one pass on the cost of taxes on profits?
I love this defense of corporations avoiding their tax responsibility and passing it on to the consumer is looked at by right wingers as a reason not to tax corporations.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

What the people behind OBAMA do not realize McCain has already looked the devil in the face. He didn’t like it back in vietnam and he doesn’t like it now. How half of you people on here now can call him a coward is just showing how disolutional you really are to the truth. A person who has just been put in the limelight and no proof of his experiance under duress. You put above the real thing, its sad. McCain has already put his life on the line for us in the face of death. I am so glad I was brought up better then most of you. To stand up for what is right. Hey if OBAMA said jump off the bridge would you?

Posted by: jubrown3 | October 15, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

Actually—-What kind of candidate refuses to show a court and all of America his full length birth certificate, his these, his college transcripts, information that proves/disproves he is an Indonesian Citizen—-
What kind of candidate has the audacity to lie to America about his relations with Rev. Wright, Ayers, Farrakhan, Raines, Pfleger, Khali Al-Mansour, Communist Frank Marshall Davis, Rashi KhalidiRezko, ACORN, Fannie and Freddie Mac etc…etc….etc…
What kind of candidate runs for the highest office with ZERO experience on war fare, ZERO experience on foreign policy, states he is going to fix the US economy but could not make a low income housing project work in little ol Chicago, wants to educate children based on AYERS theory of education, Universalize Health insurance, which would be good if it were not at the expense of tax payers and then wants to SPREAD THE WEALTH…………
REALLY??????
Michigan Atty. Gen. Mike Cox charged a former ACORN worker with forgery in connection with voter registration applications he submitted in the city of Jackson.
Antonio Johnson, 23, a convicted felon who is currently being held in Jackson County on a parole violation, is charged with six counts of forging a public document and faces up to 14 years on each count, Cox said in a news release. Johnson signed and submitted six voter registration applications, using two Jackson residents’ names, without their knowledge.
“This is an obvious case of forgery and that is why I am taking action today,” said Cox. “This office will not stand by while criminals interfere with the voting rights of Michigan citizens.”
Michigan is one of the 13 states where there are investigations into ACORN’s activities.
Thomas Jefferson once wrote:
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm

MY FELLOW PRISONERS:
As I attempt to figure out my best possible scenario for changing EVERYTHING by letting everything ride on one roll of the dice in tonight’s debate, I’ve come to the conclusion that errrrrrrrrrr………..
I’ve got him right where I want him! Right? Errrrrr, My fellow prisoners, are you with me? Errrrrr, anyone out there?
(crickets chirping)
McChicken is hanging on to a piece of wood while going through class 6 rapids with a 1000 foot drop just ahead.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 15, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

jubrown3,
McCain is a coward who can’t even look Obama in the face.
It will be great when Obama wipes the floor with the coward McCain tonite in the debate.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

How a person sees others reflects what is in one’s heart. I noticed some hatred and dark comments and feel sorry for those who posted them. Just want to say it’s not too late for them to repent, be saved and see the good in the candidates and their fellow human being :-)

Posted by: educator | October 15, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

Obama reminds me of a used car salesman. Cheap suit with the gift of gab.

Posted by: barney rubble | October 15, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

If McCain had chosen Romney or Huckabee I’ll probably be voting for him and defending him to the hilt. But His first executive decision was to tap the moose killer and that told me immediately that John McCain lacks real leadership qualities.
So my vote goes to Obama/Biden

Posted by: Disgruntled And Mentally Recessioned Republican | October 15, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm

I just don’t understand those conservatives who say that the MSM (whatever gets counted there?) is “in the tank” for Obama. Do they think that all those reporters and corporate execs want the US of A to have a bad Prez? Do they really think that all those people believe in selling America out to the terrorists (or socialists, or Commies, or whoever)? How can the executives and corporate bosses at General Electric support such unAmerican candidates as Obama/Biden?
The suggestion is hogwash! These people might always want drama – to sell their advertising- but these are successful, corporate Capitalists who want to protect what they’ve got!
If they are “in the tank” for anybody, it’s for the capitalists….

Posted by: the old perfesser | October 15, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm

Who can stand to look at Obama? Like Austin Powers looking at Fred Savage’s mole. As John Candy said in Uncle Buck “Take this quarter, Go downtown and have a rat gnaw that thing off your face”

Posted by: geevill | October 15, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm

geevil -
Look out! Your racial prejudice is showing through!
Quick – hide it under a sheet!

Posted by: the old perfesser | October 15, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

Nat Turner……”Obama out-flanked, out-debated and outclassed your Great White Nope.”
Because that comment wasn’t racist…regardless…..
I seriously doubt keeping everything secret, fighting everything from coming to life in a court room, giving $800,000 to ACORN, sitting in a racist church for 20 + years, making deals with felons, not knowing RUSSIA has veto powers, wanting to make deals with people whom want to wipe Israel off the planet, no foreign polic experience (OBVIOUSLY), cannot even make a low income housing project work yet lies and says he can fix the economy………………
The problem is that Obama has zero experience, an unknown past, no proof he actually has college degrees because he will not show ALL of his transcripts, no proof he is a natural born citizen or even a legal citizen for that matter. The problem is that he went over to Kenya and help campaign for his murderous cousin to gain/keep an elected seat.
I am really trying to figure out why you guys think he is right for this country? He has NOTHING to prove this and ZERO experience to back up what he is saying.
Voting for him out of Political Correctness or because he is the same race as you/we are is the most ignorant and most dangerous reason I think I have ever heard.

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

The old prefesser????
One can stand not to look at another person and it have absolutely NOTHING to do with race.
“Assumption is the mother of all evil”

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

I find it interesting that the in the tank media has Obama out ahead by a 12 or 15 points in their “independent” polls but when you go to most of the independent pollers Gallup,etc its only like a 7 point spread at the most. Even less when you throw in the traditional and likely voters.

Posted by: tigger1911 | October 15, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

UnPoliticallyCorrect2008,
It’s hard to explain quantum physics to a neanderthal that struggles with basic addition and subtraction.
Follow me:
O B A M A will be your next POTUS.
That’s all you need to cry about right now. Specifics don’t work well for you.

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 15, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

Its not over until Oprah sings. The leftnuts thought they had it in the bag the past two elections but you see what that got ya…lol

Posted by: Obamawho? | October 15, 2008, 3:56 pm 3:56 pm

“I find it interesting that the in the tank media has Obama out ahead by a 12 or 15 points in their “independent” polls but when you go to most of the independent pollers Gallup,etc its only like a 7 point spread at the most”
The 12 to 15 point spread is for independent voters, not polls.
Now wonder right wingers fall for the right wing media lies. Dumb as doorstops.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:58 pm 3:58 pm

“no proof he actually has college degrees”
ROFLMAO!
Right wingers are beyond gullible.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm

Dear UnPolitically Correct:
I appreciate your concern about comparative levels of experience between McCain and Obama. That was an issue I had to evaluate myself. While you and I have evidently decided differently, I can appreciate and respect your opinion on that question.
Your challenges on the other claims, however, are without substance. Obama does have legitimate citizenship status. He was born in Hawaii, and his mother was always a US citizen. Each of those facts is sufficient to guarantee him status as a US citizen. Even if his stepfather had adopted him (which I am satisfied that he did not), that does not remove Obama’s US citizenship.
Harvard University and Columbia have both documented his graduation and diplomas. You can look in old college yearbooks to verify, if you were genuinely doubting.
The Ayers stuff is now old and tired, as is Rev. Wright. There are lots of people I’ve associated with on religious and community service that would qualify me for suspicion based on your claim here (and similarly Senator McCain’s connection to an anti-Semitic org involved in illegal gun-running in Central America, and Governor Palin’s family and personal connections to the anti-American Alaska Independence Party, are two more close and more scary connections, if you want to start swapping guilt by association).
In the end, I look at judgment and management styles. You will have to concede that McCain’s campaign is not an inspiring model to anticipate his leadership style were he to be elected POTUS.

Posted by: the old perfesser | October 15, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

It’s no more trickle down economics but shovel up

Posted by: kawasaki | October 15, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

nat sez: “It’s hard to explain quantum physics ..”
Not really. You may have heard of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle. Everytime you know something is certain, such as who is going to be POTUS, the act of measuring what you know changes what you know, so you know, you never really know. No?
Now that wasn’t hard, Natty, lad. It may take you awhile to figure it out, but the typical folks here understand.
Because of the voter registration fraud by ACORN, come Nov 5, you won’t know then either way. It’s going to be a long nasty Christmas season in Chicago, lad. Cold, dreary, and definitely … uncertain.

Posted by: len | October 15, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm

Let’s face it America the “my friends” candidate is a joke and has no concrete plans for this country. He is hoping to scare the poor into believing that he has the answers to all that is wrong with America.
After 8 years of his party running things in Washington, he will bring change to Washington! This is laughable at best, especially when he was part of the problem.
Tonight’s debate is already “won” by McCain. He just has to show up and the pitbulls (Rush/Sean) will begin the spin immediately after it’s over.
The reality is that Obama is more knowledgeable than McCain in almost every aspect of politics, and this really frustrates the racists amongst us. How great it will be if and when MLK’s dream of “living in a nation where we will not be judged by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character” comes to pass.

Posted by: DanR | October 15, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

The old perfesser…thank you for an intelligent response, it is most appreciated.
I too respect your opinions, I am merely using his past and/or lack of experience as a guide to his qualifications and his judgment/character/truthfulness.
I have a problem with ZERO experience. I would rather hire someone with 20 years of experience versus someone with three ivy league college degrees. There is something to be said for experience.
As for degrees….where are the college transcripts?? Why are they not showing those?

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Axelrod “sneered”? Seriously?
I mean, I don’t watch that much TV, and get most of my news from a variety of readables, but I have seen Axelrod in interviews. He never struck me as a sneerer. A snorer, maybe.
In fact, I thought perhaps Mr. Axelrod had transcended such base displays as “sneering” and electively narrowed his affective range to the two poles of “righteous indignation” and “unshakable calm.”

Posted by: thisniss | October 15, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

Ryan C….again, where are his college transcripts??? Why will he not release those? Why will he not release ANYTHING to a court or someone other than factcheck????

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

…and by the way, where are McCain’s college transcripts? And how do we know HE is a citizen?

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

DanR sez: “The reality is that Obama is more knowledgeable than McCain in almost every aspect of politics,”
Except the parts about not committing felonies through voter fraud, associating with terrorists, and telling the truth. Obama must have missed class that day.
“and this really frustrates the racists amongst us.”
All six of them, but they are among you. We don’t allow them here.
“How great it will be if and when MLK’s dream of “living in a nation where we will not be judged by the color of our skin, but by the content of our character” comes to pass.”
It came to pass where I live forty years ago. I suggest if you are having that kind of trouble, you move to a new neighborhood. You’ll probably have trouble selling your house so you’ll take a loss but that is the price for getting out of the bad mortgages Barney Frank arranged for you.

Posted by: len | October 15, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm

William he served in the United States Navy — that should say enough.

Posted by: Angelo | October 15, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm

“I have a problem with ZERO experience.”
No, you have a problem with the truth.
8 years state senator, 3 years US Senator.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

Angelo, here is a bulletin for you: you need not be a citizen to enlist in our military!

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

“Because of the voter registration fraud by ACORN, come Nov 5, you won’t know then either way”
Voter registration fraud does not equal voter fraud.
Len, you used to make arguments, now you just lie.
Kind of sad.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm

That’s funny William, I work for the us military, and um, yes you do.

Posted by: Angelo | October 15, 2008, 4:20 pm 4:20 pm

If we are fact-checking credentials: why won’t Senator McCain release his medical records to independent physicians? The campaign let a few journalists look at them for 3 hours last summer, and they were not permitted to photocopy or make notes. Seeing as how the records are 1,400 pages long, how is 3 hours sufficient time for non-doctors to evaluate his health reports?
Given his age and prisoner confinement and his medical history, the American people need to be reassured on his health.

Posted by: the old perfesser | October 15, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

Angelo, you are wrong. Not true. You do NOT have to be a citizen. Someone here with a green card can enlist in our military. I served with some of them.

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

“Voter registration fraud does not equal voter fraud.”
Tell it to the judge, Ryan.

Posted by: len | October 15, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm

Really William, what branch?

Posted by: Angelo | October 15, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm

I’d like to know why people are not questioning whether McCain graduated from college, or whether McCain is a citizen? Is there a double standard? Obama was born in Hawaii, but that has not stopped people from claimining he is not a citizen. C’mon, people. I want to see McCain prove HIS citizenship and release HIS transcripts.

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Jake, you always seem to add a word here or there to characterize someone’s spoken word. I am curious about your use of “sneer” regarding the Axelrod comment. Why sneer rathe than quipped or snarled. You selections always produce some sense of atmospherics, but they also tend to subtle editorial commentary beyond normal reporting. Facts tinged with opinion may be close to expressing bias. I think you are too good for that. Just an observation.

Posted by: reagan | October 15, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

“That’s funny William, I work for the us military, and um, yes you do.”
Angelo,
While there is a statutory requirement that only a United States Citizen may become a commissioned officer, this is not true for enlistment. Certain non-citizens can enlist in the United States Armed Forces.
That said, the McCain ineligible to run because he was born in the Panama Canal Zone argument is silly.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Angelo: HHB, 1st BN, 81st ARTY, 56th BDE, 1970-72. And you?

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

Ryan C
I dont think the argument is silly!
I dont believe Mccain is a natural born citizen.
I dont think he will win or it will matter but I don’t believe he can be President!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 15, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm

Not only that about McCain, but I heard he is secretly a Hindu. I don’t think we can trust them.
LOL

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

“I want to see McCain prove HIS citizenship and release HIS transcripts.”
You must have gotten in this fight only recently. The Republican and Democratic candidates voted on a resolution ensuring McCain was qualified last spring in case of doubt. Don’t bother with this line of rhetoric.

Posted by: len | October 15, 2008, 4:33 pm 4:33 pm

Not into tongue-in-cheek humor, there, Len?

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

len
The vote in the senate had no legal authority…
It was a show of support! No law was created by the senate statement!
Try something else!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 15, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

McCain dosen’t make eye contact with Obama because it’s like staring defeat in the face. And I think what little conscience he has left restricts him from misleading and lying to someone’s face.

Posted by: BNea | October 15, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm

Well, folks. It’s been fun today. I sure enjoy toying with the weak, lame arguments of the McCain supporters, but all good things must come to an end. Time to sign-off, grill a steak, open a nice Cabernet and watch McCain tank once again!

Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 15, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm

If lower taxes for the rich and less regulation for corporations are the answer to creating a good economy, why are we in so much trouble? The Republican party has been in power for 8 years, and these policies have all but wrecked our country’s economy. Now McCain proposes to lower the taxes for the rich yet more, and to pay for a huge givaway to fat cats in Wall Street, paid for with your tax dollars.
McCain hoped to harness an ugly, slavering beast comprised of far-right paranoia, hatred, fear, prejudice, and ignorance, and ride it to victory, but now he is starting realize that many Americans dislike his substitution of slander for an actual discussion of the issues.
His zig-zagging on slandering Obama is just one more example of his increasingly erratic behavior and poor judgment, and yet more proof that he has completely lost his moral center–the result of selling his soul to the Karl Rove faction of the Republican party. He is retracting some of his slanders, not because he has repented of them, but because he sees that they have backfired by alienating the undecided voters that he needs if he is to have any hope of winning.
To all of this we have to add McCain’s truly horrible pick for Vice President. What was he thinking? He’s 72 years old and has had repeated bouts with cancer! Can any of us really imagine a President Palin? The thought is frightening-she is far more ignorant and inexperienced than our current president was when he took office, and we have seen what a disaster he created: The occupation of Iraq, the hunt for Bin Laden, Katrina, Wall Street and the banking deregulation fiasco have combined to create a perfect storm of misery for the US.
McCain’s claim to be a ‘maverick’ are absurd-he has voted with Bush 90% of the time, has over 80 lobbyists on his staff, and has elected to veer to the far right in his campaign, to the point of taking advice from Karl Rove. A better description would indeed be erratic, as he claims Obama would raise taxes more than he would one moment, and then the next moment comes up his very own $300,000,000 pork-barrel give-away program to people who borrowed money they couldn’t possibly pay back.
I don’t think many of us are enjoying the McCain campaign’s tactic of slandering the opposition instead of focusing on the issues. Certainly, for every negative thing they say about Obama, they have a similar or worse charge that can be leveled against McCain. Obama and Ayers? How about McCain and the Contras?
If you are enjoying the meltdown of the banking system and the Dow at 9000, you’ll love a McCain Presidency–McCain was right there with Bush deregulating the banks and freeing them from the constraints that previously prevented this kind of greed-driven disaster. Think back, when was the last time you felt secure and prosperous? I’ll bet Clinton was President. This is not a coincidence. Vote Obama, if you don’t want another Great Depression.

Posted by: BenjaminF | October 15, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

Later William J. LePetomaine

Posted by: Mike NC | October 15, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm

Axelrod is a thug. His reputation for stealing elections is legendary. He really should hide himself somewhere and not speak. Additionally McCain didn’t lose either of the two debates thus far, and neither did Sarah. Liberals have the press inventing things for them daily, do you really believe they would put in print that McCain won? It’s funny how just after the debates, McCain won on points, or McCain and Obama had a draw, but a few days in, and WOW, suddenly Obama won.
Barack Hussein Obama is CORRUPT. I don’t care if he’s black, Muslim, Christian (Hardly) or the best speaker to hit a suit since Reagan, he’s corrupt.
Americans will NOT elect him.
However, if you choose to sit and drink your koolaid and believe, do.

Posted by: Brenda | October 15, 2008, 4:47 pm 4:47 pm

BenjaminF
I hope you keep posting that all day even if just the first paragraph!
Good post (tips hat)

Posted by: Mike NC | October 15, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm

Seems that John McCain was born outside the continental United States also.
He was born in the Panama Canal Zone. I guess no one is questioning his citzenship?

Posted by: concerned | October 15, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

whatever…GOOD ONE………..

Posted by: formerMcCain | October 15, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm

Lord have mercy……McCain did show is birth records TO CONGRESS and he was born to TWO American Citizens, one was serving in the US Navy in the Panama Canal during the time of his birth, which was recognized as American soil at the time.
We all know he graduated almost bottom of his Naval Academy class…..not sure why we need to even go there again.
1400 pages of medical records were released, even if only for 3 hours—Obama has release one piece of paper where his “doctor” summarized his medical records…..really?

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 4:50 pm 4:50 pm

Brenda…corrupt in what way.Give us some examples………

Posted by: cindyct | October 15, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm

“McCain did show is birth records TO CONGRESS and he was born to TWO American Citizens, one was serving in the US Navy in the Panama Canal during the time of his birth, which was recognized as American soil at the time.”
No, the Canal Zone was not American soil.
But that doesn’t matter.
McCain and Obama are both eligible to run and the argument on both sides is silly (all due respect Mike NC)

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

Barack just called out FOX!!

Posted by: Mike NC | October 15, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm

look-John McCain doesn’t look Obama in the eye-because he has no respect for him-and he does not respect him most recently for going back on his word to accept matching funds-now that i understand-i consider that to be a lack of character issue thats more important than the ayers rezko things-that said -McCain lost my vote with the Palin pick and the negative attacks-personally i prefer Hillary-but have decided to vote obama biden.

Posted by: cowgirlblues | October 15, 2008, 4:55 pm 4:55 pm

“Additionally McCain didn’t lose either of the two debates thus far,”
Post debate polling and focus groups say otherwise.
“and neither did Sarah”
Palin won the focus groups, lost the post debate polling.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

BenjaminF???? Really??
If I recall correctly, of course you might want to ask Bill Clinton–but the root of all this mess is the housing situation–you know, the ones that Barney Franks, Chris Dodd and Harry Reid REFUSED to regulate after Bill Clinton asked them too, Bush asked three different years and McCain asked 2 different years.
Barney Franks was too busy giving his lover, and Exec with Fannie and Freddie a free ride/millions of YOUR dollars!!!
Dodd and Franks did not want to regulate F&F, they are doing fine—sure they were, because Raines was cooking the books and telling them everything was okay.
I am sure the meltdown of the economy has NOTHING to do with this materialistic society either…..where $60,000 with $5,000 tricked out wheels….$4,000 radio systems……$400,000 people do not need and $200 for a friggin pair of jeans charged to credit cards, card that will end up being cut up on bankruptcy court……
Right….that has NOTHING to do with it either!
Wait……neither does all of the spending that goes on in Washington, right?
I bet most of you did not know this, but if you buy a home that is $100,000 or more, do you know that there is an automatic line item that charges you $400 that goes to ACORN or groups like that?
Therefore, if you buy say 4 homes in your lifetime, either moving, marriage, bigger home because of kids or smaller because they move out—the government rapes you of $1,200 and gives it to ACORN —-wait, LMAO…. TO GET OUT THE VOTE or bully people!!!
Right………

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

“I am sure the meltdown of the economy has NOTHING to do with this materialistic society either”
Ask 8 houses and 10+ cars McCain whose wife wore a $300K outfit to the RNC.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Ahhhh…that was suppose to read $60,00 cars and $400,00 homes

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

Yes, one might say Obama has “mastered” the art of having his surrogates browbeat any difficult questions out of them…then he can dodge legitimate issues rather deftly and focus on elements of them that are not at issue..
Obama would be a great lawyer. Problem is, adversarial conduct does not really mesh with bipartisanship or seeing the whole picture on a particular subject.
Case in point: Obama attacks Bush for creating the financial crisis, while ignoring Dems’ role, which even liberal SNL mocked.
Have fun with your magic checks from Obama…they won’t last long and you still won’t have a job. The “green” jobs plan is going to be a giant Amtrak…
Hmm, MAYBE we should have corp taxes at least competitive with socialist Europe? Will that encourage businesses to invest here? Maybe. Nah, let’s raise them
Things HAVE been screwed up by Dems and republicans alike. McCain is not perfect, but Obama’s plan will be like gas on a fire.

Posted by: Wade | October 15, 2008, 5:04 pm 5:04 pm

Ryan C……She should apologize because her dad built a buisness from teh ground up?
LMAO….tell that to Obama with his $1.6 million dollar mansion REZKO helped him get….or the private education Michelle Obama was whinning about that cost them so much…..or her clothes….LMAO…….
Does Michelle assist with Charities? How about how much that gave to charities—her big whopping $300 last year???? Right……..and Cindy McCain set up charitable programs….assist with them and pays out the wazooo to charities…….
Nice try!

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm

Hey kids, I might be voting for Obama-but any american who isn’t an idiot has respect for john McCain-Ask a democrat who is a colleage-he is a well respected man despite political differences-Remember its when McCains camp went dirty that he started losing-Obama supporters-keep a sock on it-2 weeks is a lifetime in apolitical campaign-you are turning people off-talk about the issues-the rest is kids stuff-if you are not that mature-you probably shouldn’t be allowed to vote anyway

Posted by: cowgirlblues | October 15, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

The bottom line is, do you want another 4-12 years of the inept and corrupt Bush/Cheney political appointees in power? Because those are the people working to get McCain elected, and they are the ones would get to stay in power, along with their corruption and knack for ruining everything they touch.
Do you want another 4-12 years of racking up insane amounts of debt through tax breaks for the ultra-rich – and even more wars – that my generation, and generations to come, are supposed to deal with?
Wake Up America. Change? or More of the Same?
Finally, why does McCain have over 30 casino industry lobbyists working on his campain? Do we really want those people getting even more influence in the regulatory process?

Posted by: spinbuster | October 15, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

“She should apologize because her dad built a buisness from teh ground up”
You spoke of materialism I gave you a strong example from the GOP ticket.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm

“Now, when they poll only 900 people in a states that has over a million people in it….how much since does that make?”
Classic anti-science by the right wing.
Scientific polling has been around for decades.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

“After several weeks in which the McCain campaign unleashed a series of strong political attacks on Mr. Obama, trying to tie him to a former 1960s radical, among other things, the poll found that more voters see Mr. McCain as waging a negative campaign than Mr. Obama. Six in 10 voters surveyed said that Mr. McCain had spent more time attacking Mr. Obama than explaining what he would do as president; by about the same number, voters said Mr. Obama was spending more of his time explaining than attacking.”
ROFLMAO!

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

Again….you are not giving me an example of anything…..
I said one of the main reason is that PEOPLE are buying crap they CANNOT afford…..
The last time I checked, Cindy McCain can afford her “stuff”.

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm

“The bottom line is, do you want another 4-12 years of the inept and corrupt Bush/Cheney political appointees in power?”
McCain is not Bush.
On the other hand, Obama IS Obama. So the question is do we want even one year of a man who lied about his associates, trained and sponsored an organization perpetrating voter fraud to subvert democracy, solicited bribes to buy a house, redirected pork funding to his wife’s salary and expects us to believe he didn’t know his personal mentor of twenty years wasn’t a hate filled racist?
Jeez. What a hard choice? I feel my typical bitterness clouding my judgement. Oh who should it be?
Ok. McCain and Palin.

Posted by: len | October 15, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

UnPoliticallyCorrect2008,
Are you still here whining?
Ahhhh, the sweet sign of victory. In 20 days, I will be sitting back with a good chardonnay with my birkenstocks propped up while watching the GOP and fellow cynics committ a massive meltdown. “Honey”, could you pour me another glass? Palin is giving a shoutout to her homies.
It’s going to be a stone cold gas!!!
Just look at the GOP flapping like fish out of water. They actually have to take out loans to finance campaigns of anticipated losers.
That 60 vote holy grail in the Senate is gonna put the elephant out of its misery.

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 15, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm

Ryan…..there is plenty of scientific ANYTHING that has been around for decades and centuries that are NOT 100% accurate or some even worth the paper they are written on.
You base your arguement on polling with NOTHING about your polls to back up who was polled…….You forget about the human condition come election day and what may take place between now and then.
Counting your chickens before they hatch is not always the smartest thing to do…….

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:23 pm 5:23 pm

Nat…….
And if Obama wins….I will glady quite my job and wait for the government check……someone needs to be patriotic towards me for once….I need a break anway……wonder if I can get some of that money to pay off my student loans???

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm

“McCain is not Bush”
Agreed, once you take out McCain’s total agreement with Bush on economic and foreign policy the men have little in common.
I mean Bush is at least 4 inches taller than McCain

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

Hey Nat/Ryan,
If Obama wins……will you be Patriotic and spread your wealth this way???

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

“redirected pork funding to his wife’s salary”
Still repeating this debunked chestnut even though the raise happened a year before the earmark was requested and rejected?
Sad that you are left repeating old lies len.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:28 pm 5:28 pm

“deny thousands of people health care like she did in Illinois”
Michelle developed a program that alleviated stress on the emergency room facilities and made sure people got to see doctors at clinics instead. They even had a shuttle service.
Meanwhile John McCain wants to tax your health benefits from an employer. A tax increase that has never been attempted.
All the right wing has are lies because they lose on the issues.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

“will you be Patriotic and spread your wealth this way”
I will pay my taxes if that is the question.
And I will enjoy my tax cut which will be much larger under Obama than under McCain.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

That is really something. You have both Obama and Axlerod openly questioning John McCain’s manhood, basically calling McCain “gutless”. Meanwhile it is Axelrod and Obama who hide behind their surrogates when they accuse their opponents of racism. So tell me, who are the gutless ones?
This just goes to show you what a bunch of despicable low-lifes Obama and Axelrod are.

Posted by: OxyCon | October 15, 2008, 5:31 pm 5:31 pm

“You have both Obama and Axlerod openly questioning John McCain’s manhood, basically calling McCain “gutless”"
McCain is gutless.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm

LOL….Obama’s “promise (AKA lie) to cut taxes for 95% of America…..
Right…and when more jobs go over seas under Obama’s plan it will not matter about his “promise (AKA lie) to cut taxes because you too will be waiting on that government check!

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm

Again……..what are we challenging?

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

UnPoliticallyCorrect2008,
Since you’ll be quitting your job due to an inevitable Obama win, I could use a good hired hand to cut and keep my lawn nice and manicured. Also need a good car washer. If you do really good, I’ll let you walk my dog.
It depends……..Onyx doesn’t like TWC’s.
Apply within…..
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 15, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

For all those reasons, this final debate presents McCain with what might be an insurmountable challenge: impossible expectations and instant judgments as to whether he met them. NO CHANCE
Obama has used the past month to lock in his support by being aided by superior skills in appearing presidential by not rushing to judgement.
McCain is now running against many opponents: the economy, public dissatisfaction with President Bush, the clock and a skillful rival. That’s a lot to overcome in one, final, debate.
WON’T HAPPEN
From Maverick to Mush……….
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK

Posted by: Nat Turner | October 15, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

LOL…Nat….pretty funny……
But seriously…why even bother doing that much work??…I will just sit on my but except for every three months going down to the welfare office to do a check in and then get my food stamp, goverment check and housing assistance!
Be a nice 4 year vacation on Obama!!!!

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm

“Right…and when more jobs go over seas under Obama’s plan”
McCain is the big supporter of outsourcing.
Obama plans to remove tax breaks for companies that send jobs overseas and make tax incentives for companies who keep jobs here.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

“Families place a high value on quickly getting simple care. Government should promote greater access through walk-in clinics in retail outlets.”
This is what Michelle Obama wants to do.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:55 pm 5:55 pm

“we have the second largest corporate tax in the WORLD and he wants to increase that”
Obama plans on leaving the corporate tax rate where it is.
McCain wants to cut it.
“He wants to increase taxes on 63% of small businesses here in the US”
Which right wing org told you that one?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 5:58 pm 5:58 pm

LOL…..Obama cited Forbes as a possible member to his Cabinet—-yet Forbes has stated Obama’s plan would devistate the economy and on a poll of CEO’s across this country, Obama was rated either a D or an F.
But I suppose those polls mean nothing …even though they signify WHOM/WHAT is being polled?

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm

the only person in this debate talking about increasing ANY taxes is Obama.
McCain has NEVER said he was increasing ANYONE’s taxes…..last time I checked, he said that would not be smart to increase ANY taxes right now.

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Axelrod sneered? Typical since Obama sneers and smirks while McCain is talking during the debates. McCain talks to the American people, why would he direct his comments to Obama?

Posted by: S Adams | October 15, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Increasing taxes on those making over $250k INCLUDES 63% of small buisnesses….remember he telling the guy while he was out camp…that we must “SPREAD THE WEALTH”????
How quickly we forget!

Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 15, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

“the only person in this debate talking about increasing ANY taxes is Obama.”
Well McCain certainly doesn’t want to talk about axing health benefits even though that’s exactly what his plan calls for.
Obama is being honest and telling people that if you make $250K+ your marginal income rate will go from 35% back to 39% as it was under Clinton.
That you payroll tax on money above $200K will go up 2 to 4%.
And that you capital gain tax will go from 15% to 20%.
But small business gets some breaks including a 50% tax credit on employee health plans (something McCain wants to tax employees on), a hiring incentive and no capital gains taxes on small biz investment.
If you make less than $250K, you get a multitude of tax cuts that exceed what McCain is offering.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

Mr. Obama was spending more of his time explaining than attacking….
well, yeah, ryan.
Obama has his goons attacking Palin…. so he can keep his eye on the teleprompter.
The republicans don’t have the goon power that the dumb dumbs do…..

Posted by: hmmmmm | October 15, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm

“McCain has NEVER said he was increasing ANYONE’s taxes”
So he is lying then.
Though Senator John McCain has promised to not raise taxes, his campaign acknowledged Wednesday that the health plan he outlined this week would have the effect of increasing tax payments for some workers, primarily those with high incomes and expensive health plans.
The campaign cannot yet project how many taxpayers might see their taxes go up, said Douglas Holtz-Eakin, Mr. McCain’s top domestic policy adviser. But Mr. Holtz-Eakin said in an interview that for some, Mr. McCain’s health care tax credits would not be large enough to compensate for his proposal to eliminate the tax breaks afforded to workers with employer-provided health benefits

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:14 pm 6:14 pm

“McCain has repeatedly claimed that Obama would raise tax rates for 23 million small-business owners. It’s a false and preposterously inflated figure.
We find that the overwhelming majority of those small-business owners would see no increase, because they earn too little to be affected. Obama’s tax proposal would raise rates only on couples making more than $250,000 or singles earning more than $200,000.
McCain argues that Obama’s proposed increase is a job-killer. He has a point. It’s true that increasing taxes on those at the top would leave them less money for other purposes, including investment and hiring in the case of business owners. But the number of business owners who would see their rates go up would be only a small fraction of what McCain says. Many would see their taxes go down.”
Gutless McCain caught in yet another lie.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

Ryan C–The government is responsible for the economic crisis we are in right now. Why would we want them to be in charge of our health care? Nothing is ever simple when the government is in charge. And walk in clinics? We already have health clinics run by the government, they are sub-standard. I wouldn’t take one step inside much less drag my kids in there. But with Obama’s plan that is the only health care we will have. He is going to make it mandatory for employers to buy into this health care plan for their employees or make them pay an exorbant payroll tax. Small businesses will not be able to afford this, and will have to hire fewer people at a lower wage and give little or no benefits. And what of all the current insurance companies? They will lose business and have to reduce their staff also, causing more unemployed people. McCain’s plan would keep these companies in business but make them more competitive and drive down the costs with his $5,000 credit and we will still have a choice.

Posted by: S Adams | October 15, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

“Obama cited Forbes as a possible member to his Cabinet”
Steve Forbes?
Gotta quote for that?
I see other right wingers spreading that around but they cite the 2nd debate and Steve Forbes was not mentioned in the 2nd debate.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm

“The government is responsible for the economic crisis we are in right now. Why would we want them to be in charge of our health care”
So the right wing strategy was to let Bush screw up the government so badly no one would ever trust it to run anything again?
Do you trust the government to run the military?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:21 pm 6:21 pm

“And walk in clinics? We already have health clinics run by the government, they are sub-standard. I wouldn’t take one step inside much less drag my kids in there.”
I knew a right winger would fall for that.
That walk in clinic bit was a copy paste from the John McCain health plan.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm

Ryan C–Small business owners will suffer under Obama’s plan. They have overhead costs, wages and benefits while having stay competitive to draw business in their market. $200,000 or $250,000 is not a lot of money for a business, and what about the areas that have a higher cost of living. $200,000 may be a lot for someone living in Texas or Louisiana, but it’s not a lot in California or New York.
A plumber asked Obama yesterday why he would raise his taxes on his small business and Obama said, “Well, I’m not trying to punish you, I just want to make sure that people behind you are taken care of” That is a socialist point of view. Why does the plumber have to work hard and succeed to give to the person that doesn’t want to work as hard?

Posted by: S Adams | October 15, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

“Small business owners will suffer under Obama’s plan. They have overhead costs, wages and benefits while having stay competitive to draw business in their market.”
And Obama seeks to help them by making employee health benefits 50% tax deductible, incentives for new hires & no capital gains on small biz investment.
“$200,000 or $250,000 is not a lot of money for a business, and what about the areas that have a higher cost of living. $200,000 may be a lot for someone living in Texas or Louisiana, but it’s not a lot in California or New York.”
Having $250K+ a year income is alot no matter where you live.
And that is in income. Income is either part of overhead or profits or a combination of the two. It does not include biz expenses like payroll, benefits, materials costs etc.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm

Ryan C– I did not agree with the Iraq war and I think it was the one big mistake in Bush’s presidency, but we have the Democrats to blame for the economy. Starting way back with Jimmy Carter and his Reinvestment Act to medernize the FHA and expand access to more homebuyers. In 1994, Clinton, on behest of ACORN, re-wrote the act with new stipulations stating that Banks were to be given strict quotas to ensure more diversification in housing. May 5, 2006, McCain and 19 others, no Democrats, wrote a letter to Congress warning of the need to regulate Fannie Mae and they were blasted by the Democrats who accused them of being alarmists. Meanwhile, Dodd, Franks, even Obama, all had their hand in the cookie jar of Fannie Mae.
Our first 6 yrs of Bush, we had a sound economy, consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 yr high, gas was $2.19/gal, unemployment rates were 4.5%, Dow Jones hit a record high of 14,000+.
In 2006, a Democratic congress was voted in and consumer confidence plummeted, gas went up to $4.00/ gal, unemployment rate rose to 5.5%, and 1% of homes are in foreclosure.
The re-investment act finally caught up with the Banks who were pressured to make home loans to people who could not afford them then were left holding the bag.

Posted by: S Adams | October 15, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm

Ryan C– Why should anyone strive to make a better life for themselves only to have a “robin hood” government that benefits those that don’t have the ambition to be successful.

Posted by: S Adams | October 15, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

S Adams,
Why in the world would you believe the same right wing media that lied to you about Iraq when it comes to the cause of the recent economic meltdown?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm

McCain 7.0?
Is that another nasty reference to his age? The ageism from Obama’s campaign is appaling. Apparently racism is bad but discrimination based on age is good? After their offensive commercial implying McCain couldn’t type at a computer because of his age although it’s actually due to war injuries, I didn’t think they would sink this low. Axelrod is doing a great job.

Posted by: veryoffensive | October 15, 2008, 6:46 pm 6:46 pm

“Why should anyone strive to make a better life for themselves only to have a “robin hood” government that benefits those that don’t have the ambition to be successful”
We have a progressive tax system as it is.
Are you seriously arguing that people will stop working because their income above a certain level will be taxed 4% more?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

S Adams,
Why in the world would you believe the same right wing media that lied to you about Iraq when it comes to the cause of the recent economic meltdown?
Posted by: Ryan C | Oct 15, 2008 6:45:45 PM
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Ryan C–because I’m objective enough to see the truth, even if it’s disagreeing with my own party. But the facts speak for themselves, and when you follow the paper trail, it led right to the source of the problem. I am not saying the Republicans were entirely innocent, but the Democrats benefitted the most from Fannie Mae, who tends to leans to the left when handing out high $$ contributions, and it was the Democrats who failed to take notice in 2006 when McCain warned them of the coming crisis.

Posted by: S Adams | October 15, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm

“when you follow the paper trail, it led right to the source of the problem”
S Adams,
But you’re not following a paper trail.
You’re following the right wing script which conveniently leaves out the lack of regulation or oversight.
The only regulation you reference is the toothless bill McCain eventually cosponsored that would have created a redundant oversight agency with FEWER oversight powers.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm

veryoffensive–not only is ageism a problem in the Obama campaign, but they are also being sexist against Palin. I thought the sexist attacks against Hillary was bad, and I didn’t even support her, but the attacks and lies against Palin are just unbelievable and vicious.
Quote from the great Ronald Reagan:” …I will not make age an issue, I am not going to exploit, for political purposes, my opponents youth and inexperience”
John McCain reminds me a lot of Ronald Reagan. Both worked with both parties to bring about change and unity.
Obama, in his own words, said he tends to not have much sway with the Republican party. How does he expect to get anything done for this country if he can’t work both sides of the aisle?

Posted by: S Adams | October 15, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm

Ryan C–just keep drinking the Kool-aid. You will believe Obama not matter what, even if he has no proven record to go by. You go ahead and believe Obama who has flip-flopped on every single issue, that he hasn’t lied time and again about every aspect of his life, that he has thrown numerous people under the bus, even his own grandmother for his political aspirations. Many top economist have looked at Obama’s economic plan and health plan and said it doesn’t add up. I tend to believe them over an inexperienced Chicago thug.
I’ve outlined what is wrong with Obama’s plans, and I get more info from legitimate sources, not Daily Kos or Huffington post.

Posted by: S Adams | October 15, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

“just keep drinking the Kool-aid”
S Adams,
You are the one repeating right wing bs even though you know they have lied to you.
Yet you still take their stories at face value. Why?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 7:41 pm 7:41 pm

Palin is so dumb she called New Hampshire part of the NorthWest.
Her undoing is her stupidity not her gender.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

“the first thing we’d have to do is make sure that we’ve got an effective emergency response, something that this administration failed to do when we had a hurricane in New Orleans.”
The Dems can’t help but blame Bush for everything. It’s amazing how blind there are. The failure was due to the state and local govt’s inept leaders to foresee and prepare for Katrina, not Bush.

Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 8:02 pm 8:02 pm

“Palin is so dumb she called New Hampshire part of the NorthWest.”
How about Biden saying during the last crash Roosevelt saw what was happening on TV although he wasn’t President and TV hadn’t been invented yet?
His undoing is his stupidity not his gender.

Posted by: thesame | October 15, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

“How about Biden saying during the last crash Roosevelt saw what was happening on TV although he wasn’t President and TV hadn’t been invented yet?”
“I can see Russia from my house!”
ROFLMAO!
Palin coming on the scene has brought great relief to Dan Quayle who had the previous dishonor of being known as the dumbest VP candidate in modern history.

Posted by: Ryan C | October 15, 2008, 8:14 pm 8:14 pm

Negative. It is the state and local authorities’ responsibility and duty to foresee and prepare for natural disasters. FEMA is an afterthought to assist in cleanup/relocation/assistance (that part yes, was severely poorly managed).

Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm

Really, Biden may make gaffes, but it’s more due to spontaneity. When he’s asked about things like policy issues, he’s able to give detailed, intelligent answers that displayed his deep understanding. Palin, however, seemed to stick only to her talking points, at times did not answer the question at all, and just said “how mavericky” they were.
Emm, it was quite largely Bush’s fault for bungling the hurricane response. Bush, for instance, rejected international aid offered by other countries, which would have greatly eased the burden on the workers. Not to mention he sent quite a fair bit of the National Guard which is responsible for responding to domestic crises to Iraq- thus they had less manpower- so that too, in its own way, played a part in this.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 16, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

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