Biden Appears on Ellen, Says He’d Vote Against CA Amendment Banning Same-Sex Marriage

“Asked if he would support gay marriage, Biden said: “No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage.”
perhaps ABC can take a moment from attacking Joe the plumber to point out Biden is a LIAR. he said he was against gay marriage in the debate.

geevil – get a job

Good for Joe!

liberati – I guess a 17 year old unmarried daughter is better? Of someone who abused her power to get someone fired.

Joe Biden is an idiot. Can’t you see that. He, along with Obama, will say whatever, do whatever, to win. There is nothing to Biden. ABC will always be for Obama and Biden. ABC is a liberal newwork. Don’t watch them anymore, anyone, anytime.

Biden does not do what’s right, he’s no longer being a Catholic. He’s selling his soul to the devil.

“Asked if he would support gay marriage, Biden said: “No. Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage.”
perhaps ABC can take a moment from attacking Joe the plumber to point out Biden is a LIAR. he said he was against gay marriage in the debate.
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Having a problem with reading comprehension, are we?
Biden said that he does not “support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage”. This is what Prop 8 seeks to do.

Of course the Obama/Biden ticket is against the will of the people.

Then get lost Janice.

Standing against a BAN on gay marriage is in step with being for Civil Unions, its not a lie or a flip flop.
Here’s the trick, Banning Gay marriage is discriminatory, placing limits on other lifestyles because you disagree with it.
Being for Civil Unions allows for other lifestyles to enjoy benefits from monogamy similar to married couples.
If you people let fear and the Christian conservatives run this nation, then we will be no better than the Afgans who allowed the Taliban to take over and make religious laws and hold public executions in the local stadium.
I personally disagree with the Gay lifestyle, and that’s my choice. Its not my place to decide for others, and attempting to legislate morality is a straight shot to our Founding fathers attempts to separate church and state.
Maybe you Gay haters should form your own nation, where your free to discriminate against anyone you disagree with. America is One nation, Under God, and Indivisible, unless you count Zealots dividing us down party lines, over abortion, taxation and right to life.
Didn’t Bush Jr suggest he was the Uniter, yet somehow he has divided this nation. Maybe thats something he decided to do as the decider.

I will say it and I will continue to say it. Joe Biden is an idiot. Now it would be a toss up as to which one is the bigger idiot. Say whatever you want to say about me – get it straight -Joe Biden is an idiot.

Obama’s “spread the wealth” Socialist statement and Biden’s “I’m a Catholic but kill that baby” show just how sick and deranged the party of death has become.

Janice, bub-bye!
Biden supports CIVIL unions along with providing equal benefits to gay partners. Biden has clearly stated he believes legal marriage is between a man and a woman. He’s consistent with his statements and beliefs.
Take the wax and mucous out of your eyes and ears!!!!!!!

Since this is California, Biden says he is for gay marriage.
If he is Pennyslvania, Biden will say he is against Gay marriage.
Biden is a serial LIAR and will say anything to get votes depending on which state he is campaigning.

Janice: Then, Janice, why are you on here? I never understood people like you that like to call certain media outlets “biased” yet you frequent these places very often. I don’t like Fox News, but I’m obviously not going to waste my time there. So, again, WHY are you here? Also, you’re giving the “biased” news forums more hits, isn’t that the opposite of what you want?

Joe Biden has sold out all of his principles to be Obama’s VP he is nothing more than a Yes man. How can a man who attacked Obama so hard in the debates and said he was not ready to lead know all of a sudden see eye to eye with Obama on 100% of the issues. Joe Biden is nothing more than a puppet on a string. I would respect Biden if he would actually admit he does disagree with Obama on some Issues

I live in California, and I am going to vote no on banning gay marriage. It’s about the constitution, and the equal rights that it grants. If Californians vote this constitutional right away, then what’s next, maybe religion. Using many of the same arguments that are used for Prop 10, they want to teach religion in our schools! We will be forced to believe in obscure religions, like mormonism. It can go on and on, and further tear this country apart.
There was only one amendment to the federal constitution that took rights away from people, and it was overturned years later. That was prohibition.
As Americans we should be protecting rights, and not finding ways to take them away.

Good timing. I’m sure this will help solidify the “Evangelical constituency” of the right for McCain.

Billy smith- this is located in Judges 19:22 and also Genesis 19:5. Enjoy-
22 As they were enjoying themselves, suddenly certain men of the city, perverted men,[a] surrounded the house and beat on the door. They spoke to the master of the house, the old man, saying, “Bring out the man who came to your house, that we may know him carnally!”
23 But the man, the master of the house, went out to them and said to them, “No, my brethren! I beg you, do not act so wickedly! Seeing this man has come into my house, do not commit this outrage. 24 Look, here is my virgin daughter and the man’s[b] concubine; let me bring them out now. Humble them, and do with them as you please; but to this man do not do such a vile thing!” 25 But the men would not heed him. So the man took his concubine and brought her out to them. And they knew her and abused her all night until morning; and when the day began to break, they let her go.

Greg H,
Good think the election ballots do not require a lot of reading comprehension, otherwise you may not be able to vote. Biden told Ellen that he would be against allowing gay marriage.

Prop 8 would redefine from a civil side what constitues a marriage. I wish the some of the people who comment on here would just do a little research. A little knowledge goes a long way.

Ultimately, there is only one winner, there will always be one winner, and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. Now argue with that.

Palin lacks lower 48 experience. and that’s a bad thing.
Obama 08

Corporal D.E.L: The old McCain would not have won his parties nomination! If he gets elected he WILL be President and he can do what he wants and I think that will be what the OLD McCain the Maverick! Obama is no where close to being in the middle on anything he is far left and does not work with the other side. Obama is nothing like the Old McCain! The McCain you would have voted for. Remember you have to win your parties nomination to be elected. McCain did that now it is up to us to send McCain to the White House and you will see the Maverick the one everybody likes and respects.

Yeah Joe says what Ellen’s guests want to hear but he talks out of both sides of his mouth. He just wants to get in office and will lie like Obama is doing.
The truth will come out and the American population will suffer for it.
To The Unshrub:
Read the Bible before you start making comments like you know it. I would rather be called a bible thumper than have sex with someone of the same gender. It is not normal and it never will be. Even children know that truth!

Vote NO on Proposition 8 … let’s not legislate discrimination in any form!

“Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.” -James Bovard, (1994).
James Bovard is a Libertarian and although I don’t agree with most of their views, I do believe in that statement.
Our founding fathers gave us a Republic, not a pure democracy because pure democracies can not last. Minorities get trampled at the whims of the majority. A Republic gives us representatives and a system of checks and balances so that all are represented and a sense of justice can prevail.
I don’t believe it is our “Right” to vote, I believe it is our obligation. With that said, we need to have an informed electorate. The news media is biased, this includes BOTH sides. How about reading and researching the policies of both candidates from independent sources and make your decision based on what you believe is best? It works a lot better towards the strength of our country than ranting.

These passages from the Bible were written for the Hebrews so that they could build their tribe in order to protect themselves … and to separate themselves from other tribes:
Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”
Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them”

Why I am voting Democrat!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending MY MONEY than I would. I think when you spread the wealth around it is good for everybody! It’s Patriotic!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. All profits are evil and should be confiscated for Government Redistribution.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that MORE Government regulations and higher taxes on Business will stop Business from exporting their jobs to Countries with LESS Government regulations and lower taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe terrorists should be allowed to have trials in American courts. And be able to subpoena top secret documents, soldiers, government officials, etc. to cross examine for their defense. They should have ACLU lawyers who can help intimidate Americans who serve on the juries!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in a FREE government health care system. I believe doctors, nurses, hospitals, drug companies, etc. will gladly donate their time, products, services, facilities, etc. for FREE and that will be a better system.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe in and support trial lawyers, frivolous lawsuits and outrageous jury verdicts.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe 9/11 was an inside job to con the American people to go to war for oil.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe social security is solvent and that there is a social security lock box and I don’t believe social security is a Ponzi scheme.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe Gay Marriage should be the law of the land and will probably produce better children.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe English should not be the official language of the United States. I don’t mind pushing one for English when I use the phone.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe partial birth abortion is okay but water boarding a terrorist is disgusting.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe having a domestic terrorist like Bill Ayers as a close friend is a good thing. It allows for great relations with foreign terrorists.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe MOST AMERICANS are bitter and cling to their guns and religion. Let’s rid our country of guns and religion!
I’m voting Democrat because I believe illegal aliens deserve all the rights of ordinary Americans plus some additional rights Americans do not have.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe groups like ACORN who register felons, drug addicts, wino’s, homeless drifters, illegal aliens, dead people, children, fictional Disney characters, etc. makes my vote count more.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe celebrating the winter solstice shows compassion for the small minority of people that do not celebrate Christmas.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe hard core criminal murders and rapists deserve life and that the innocent unborn deserve death. It’s a choice I can live with.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe Bush caused Hurricane Katrina and he blew-up the levies in the ninth ward of New Orleans.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe our soldiers are AIR RAIDING villages and killing innocent people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe sex in the Oval Office with an intern is a private matter and that everybody lies under oath about sex.
I’m votin Demokrat becuse I wus edumkated at a publick sckrool.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that any one who is not partaking in one of the many wonderful government programs obviously has too much money and should pay higher taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq the terrorists will be happy and now think of us as good people.
I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as it does not offend people. Can’t we all just get along?
I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits are wrong. I believe higher taxes on oil companies will produce lower prices at the pump.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe we need to rid ourselves of dependency on foreign oil, BUT I AM AGAINST offshore drilling for oil and natural gas, drilling in Anwar, building nuclear power plants and clean coal technology.
And finally, I’m voting Democrat because I believe Reverend Wright when he said “GODDAMN AMERICA” and “OUR CHICKENS ARE COMING HOME TO ROOST”. Hey let’s make a comfortable nest for those chickens!
Why are you voting Democrat?

geevill:
Let’s also point out the fact that because you personally stand for or against something, does not mean you support legal action that coincides with that. Because Joe Biden is against gay marriage personally doesn’t mean he’s against it professionally. If only more people could separate their personal beliefs from those of others, maybe our country wouldn’t be so darn divided all the time.

I will take Joe over Sarah any day!

Average American Mom,
You sound more like the average American Conservative Troglodite – just another of the people who protect the fetus and then throw the baby to the wolves.
There’s nothing wrong with playing well with others. Who are you the playground bully or his toady?
If YOUR village was being air raided and YOUR innocent friends, neighbors and relatives killed, you might think differently.
I’m NOT going through your whole list, but you sound as though you are incapable of putting YOURSELF into the shoes of others, or of “doing unto others as you would have them do unto you”! That’s VERY Christian of you.

After reading Proposition 8 on the California ballot I would not support it either. Although I’m not an advocate of same sex marriage because of the way the Propostion is written I wouldn’t support it either. Way to go Joe “the Senator”.
I’m voting the Democratic Party all of the way down the ballot. The wonderful Bush/Cheney policies has really done such wonders for this country, so wonderful that I just don’t think that we can stand another 4 years of such bliss.
What a joke the Republicans are??? If they’re not being busted soliciting same-sex encounters in public men’s rooms then they are trying to molest the young teenage boy pages on Capitol Hill. Enough already.

Obama/Biden ’08 by a historical landslide!
President Obama……has a nice ring to it, don’t you agress?

I will take Joe the plumber over Biden any day!!!!

Independent, we probably wont’ agree politically, but I will never name call toward anyone, as that is demeaning them, and myself. It dissipates ones opinion, rather than enhances. I think we can all converse, discuss, and debate, without resorting to petty childish antics.
I enjoy discussing, but I refuse to continue, if name calling, and mean comments are made by anyone toward another, and that goes for both sides. I just think it makes us all hypocrites. We accuse one side of the evils of calling out names, and using racism, or racial slurs, etc…then we turn around and show everyone we’re no better than what we accuse another of.
I also, will never tell anyone to leave a forum because I disagree with them. I believe these forums were put in place to openly discuss, and debate, using facts, and opinions…but when the name calling, and mean remarks come, from either side, I close my window. I just don’t want to deal with that.
At the end of the day, when we all lay head to pillow, we’re ALL Americans, and if we were attacked, we’d all stand as Americans, side by side, and fight against our aggressors. So if we can’t find some common ground here, and show each other respect, even if we don’t agree with someone….then how can we ever expect world peace.

Jay G:
What part of the fact that Joe Biden
just flipped on gay marriage don’t
you get? In the debate he said he
supported civil unions but opposed
gay marriage and on Ellen he said
he would oppose a ban on gay marriage!
Duh! What kind of Kool-Aid do they
give you Obama/Biden Lemmings?

Let’s see, Joe the Plumber doesn’t have a plumber’s license, doesn’t have money to buy a plumbing business, and is on the hook for back taxes. Not exactly Honest John.

Donna Hughes, I don’t think Joe every said he had a plumber’s license so where is he dishonest? He works under a licensed plumber he doesn’t need a license. A lot Americans owe back taxes I don’t think he every said he didn’t so where is he dishonest?

Donna Hughes, Joe said “he was concerned about having to pay more taxes as he worked towards his goal of buying his own plumbing business” so where is he dishonest? He didn’t say he had the money today.

If you want to call somebody a liar, count how many lies Palin spilled out. Truth just does not matter to her.

By the way – THe gov of CA takes the exact same position. That’s why he has refused to support the California measure banning same sex marriage.

Jeanie, a judge didn’t overstep his boundaries, it’s his responsibility to side with the constitution. As is the case in most situations that a judge rules, people can not make laws that are unconstitutional and judges must make that determination. In California, it was unconstitutional for the people to vote in a law banning marriage between to consenting adults of the same sex. The resolution that will be voted on to take that right away will be a constitutional amendment to the state constitution. This is much easier to do in this state than in the federal constitution.

As far as Joe the plumber goes, well as we spoke about earlier, it looked as if you are trying to blame everyone but those that are responsible.
It came out that Joe is a republican, and he was willing to do what he could to help John McCain. Unfortunately, as the old adage goes, people who live in glass houses…….

Geevill, if it really upsets you that Biden lied and pandered, why don’t you feel the same for the Palin/McCain campaign? Is it because you are voting for McCain, and you have a “what ever it takes” mindset? If playing fair is really your concern, call out the other side as well.
Can you see where your argument falls a little short in light of the campaign Palin/McCain is running?

How low can you go “killing babies”.
Lets take this in another applicable direction. McCain is in favor of this war, many babies have been killed, McCain wants to keep the war going, how many dead babies are enough for McCain?
How ignorant can a person be?

Independent said: It came out that Joe is a republican, and he was willing to do what he could to help John McCain. Unfortunately, as the old adage goes, people who live in glass houses…….
I will concede that, but the fact that a journalist, from a liberal based newspaper cried wolf, when he said he heard “kill him” at a rally, and no one expressed outrage, or bias toward Obama for that, in order to sabotage a rally.
It just keeps coming from both sides.
I sometimes wonder if we’re all guinea pigs in a HUGE experiment here.

All news papers and news sources are liberal. Thats why Bush was given a free ride for most of the 8 years that he has been in office.
I does keep coming from both sides. Obama said he wouldn’t start it, but he would fight back. That was the difference between Obama and Kerry. Kerry kept taken it, and fell back in the polls.
Fact checkers have already said that 85% of McCain’s ads have been negative, and only 35% of Obama’s have been negative.
I would think if McCain wants them to stop, he should lead by example. It couldn’t hurt him in the polls.

Joe the plumber is not being ridiculed by the Obama campaign. The press is following up on McCain’s example, and the truth is coming out. Don’t blame Obama because he is the other side, and don’t blame the press for doing their job. Blame McCain and Joe the plumber for sticking their neck out.
Politics is a dirty game, and Joe stepped into a game he was not prepared to play in. He is the one who went on all of the morning TV news shows, so if they follow up on them, hurray for the press doing their jobs.
In hind sight it would have been nice if they did their job when the president was telling us of the WMD’s that were never found.

>> I believe in truth, honesty, justice,
>> traditional values and decency.
>> Somehow, I do not see those same
>> qualities coming from the Obama/Biden
>> campaign rhetric.
Then how do you rationalize away the fact that Palin violated Alaska state ethics laws, and now the investigation is being expanded to look at other ethic violation charges against her and her staff?

Geevil–
He said he was against a constitutional amendment on gay marriage (either way), i.e., he would vote against prop 8. If the vote was for a constitutional amendment to add gay marriage, he would vote against that as well.
So, he did not lie, but you, my friend, are a liar.

Wow…after reading every one of these posts, I am now positive that average person who visits sites like this are total intellectual slugs. This is even more disillusioning if one takes into consideration that fact that the REALLY moronic and stupid Americans aren’t even here. They are out being moronic and stupid.
FACT….essentially, Biden said he does not wish to legislate morality. Prop 8 does just that. He said on “Ellen” that he opposes Prop 8…because it intends to legislate morality. …Not hard to comprehend people.
Question….When did the Republican party, the party of LESS intrusion by government into the lives of private citizens, become the party of neochristoconservenazi-ism? When did they decide they wanted to become intrusive, subversive, and totalitarian?
Question….When did the Republican party, the party who abolished slavery, and preached freedom and equality, become the party embraced by the far right-wing, ultraconservative, racist bigots, imbeciles, sheep, tools, idiots, and misguided-few?
PLEASE DON’T ANSWER….THOSE QUESTIONS WERE RHETORICAL….(YEAH YOU’D BETTER LOOK THAT UP IN THE “DICKSHUNAYREE”)

You guys are having a great discussion here. Just thought I’d point out to the person who talked about Joe Biden not being Catholic – well, pro-choice does not mean pro-abortion and pro-life candidates are very likely not anti-abortion. Why would they be – if they outlawed abortiong, they wouldn’t have you glued to them for their career!
So, there is another way – to work to Choose Life – just like Obama and Biden say. Fix things so a young woman doesn’t feel that she has a choice between being shot and being hung.
Now, one more thing. We had a priest in my grade school. He abused lots of boys and, to my knowledge, was never forbidden to receive communion. So, so much for bishops and cardinals who won’t give Biden communion – they are not infallible – in fact, they may not even be serious about ending abortion.
It may be that there is a limit to how long we are alive because it would drive us all crazy to see everything come around again and again. I am a bit tired of the Church heirarchy trying to find ways to keep women from being a more powerful force in this world.
Jesus asked us to choose him – to choose our faith. We should also find ways to help young women choose life. We can do that by choosing Obama/Biden.
Now, I know the McPalin supporters are shaking in their boots and that worries me. We have to find a better way to help them see that their beings are not at risk with an Obama presidency. Obama is not a socialist – he is a realist. Einstein didn’t come from the upper class. I don’t know many great scientists who did – there may be some – but there is something about overcoming a hardscrabble existence that can lead to great creativity, heart, and leadership.
Have to go. Get your rest and keep smiling – this whole thing will work out if we work together.
Love, Mom

The only person I know of that eminently qualifies to be president is a man who was invited by an African dictator to help him improve his government. His staff has eliminated most of the need for lock downs in a nearby penitentiary. He has returned all the salary he had received from a church that he started for unchurched people and gives away 9 tenths of his remaining income.
He has written a book on disciplined living that was on the Best
Seller list for a whole year. This book has been used by thousands of groups for joint study.
I would nominate Rick Warren as a write in candidate.

Republicans fear gay marriage because they think it is a requirement, not a choice.
Gays should be allowed to marry, why shouldn’t they be as miserable as everyone else.

Joe Biden is a tool. He says something stupid almost every time he opens his mouth but the media gives him a pass. How is Biden more qualified when he thinks President Roosevelt went on TV after the 1929 stock market crash to calm people down or after 36 years in the Senate he doesn’t know that the Vice President presides over the Senate? And I think it is absolutely despicable that Biden has embellished the tragic story of his wife and daughter’s death by falsely saying on numerous occasions that they were killed by a drunk driver when the investigation showed no evidence of alcohol.

oxy MORON…We prefer to call our party the party of choice. Freedom, tolerence, acceptance and forgiveness. You should try it. Maybe you wouldn’t be so angry. The last thing I need is someone like you telling me how to live my life.

Loving MOM……

bea..the comments on abc web sites toward the opposing side, mccain/palin, has shown anything but
compassion..understanding..forgiveness..freedom
if anything, the liberals have created distrust and bitterness within the repubs that it will be impossible for them, repubs, to accept Obama as their new president..that is what this election has created..not a whole lot of change as the repubs will feel toward the media and the dems as you have felt aganist Bush…nothing changes

With all those conservatives and church groups Obama.Biden can’t say ‘out loud’ that they would support gay marriage. It’d be a disaster.
These days you have to quote scripture to get elected.
It’s a farce. Sick country with all these creation wackjobs. Education anyone?

McCain’s association with Liddy isn’t news. The Chicago Tribune covered it back in May, when the Clinton campaign was roadtesting the McCain campaign’s tactics. Let’s compare:
* Bill Ayers participated in bombing a statue, the New York Police headquarters, the U.S. Capitol, and the Pentagon. G. Gordon Liddy participated in a White house plot to subvert the Constitution.
* Ayers has never been convicted or served prison time. Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, and illegal wire-tapping, was senteced to 20 years, and served 5.5 until President Carter commuted his sentence.
* Ayers is now a professor of education. Liddy is a conservative talk radio host.
* Ayers has said “we didn’t do enough” to stop the Vietnam War, a statement interpreted by some to mean he thinks he should have set off more bombs in the early 1970s. In 1994, after the feds stormed the branch Davidian compound in Waco, Liddy said on his radio program, [sorry, rough language coming] “Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches.” (And as for Liddy on Hitler….)
* Ayers and his wife hosted a campaign event at his house for Obama in 1995. Liddy hosted a campaign event for McCain in 1998.
* Ayers donated $200 to Obama in 2001. Liddy has given at least $5,000 to McCain over the years, including $1,000 this year.
* Senator Obama has called Ayers’ terrorist acts “despicable” and condemned them. Senator McCain appeared on Liddy’s radio show last November and said, “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family…. It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”
I’m not going to bother with quantifying the sins of Ayers and Liddy. And please note, I offer no defense of Ayers here. Go ahead, assume the worst of both men, and you can say, as does Chapman, that each man “back in the 1970s, extolled violence and committed crimes in the name of a radical ideology — and… has never shown remorse or admitted error.”
It’s simple: if you think Ayers is a voting issue, then you must think Liddy is a voting issue. Have fun voting for Barr or Nader.

The economy is going into the tank after eight years of mismanagement, but you can see from the above that the Republicans are much more interested in gay marriage… as usual. At the risk of giving away hints, this is the reason the GOP is about to get the boot in the election, you guys.

Joe is against redefining marriage. That is consistent with being against Prop 8. Marriage is a state issue, with each state deciding what age, what fees, what processes, etc. CA’s courts decided that gay marriage is legal under CA law as it stands now. Prop 8 seeks to redefine marriage to exclude gay couples who are currently legally married in CA. Since we’re close to bankruptcy, no doubt the govt will try not to even refund them their marriage license fees after invalidating their marriages. Biden is against messing with the civil definition of marriage as it stands, including in CA.
And, no, having gay marriage be legal in CA has not resulted in kids being taught in school about gay marriage or requiring any religious leaders opposed to gay marriage to perform marriage ceremonies for gay couples. None of the rest of us see any difference. Only those who have been waiting for the rights of marriage while being told they didn’t have them have noticed, and it means a lot to them.

It really is disappointing the Biden and Obama pander to specific crowds. First it was Obama who at a human right debate hinted at supporting gay marriage at one point, but at the religous debate he had with mccain, he said he doesn’t support gay marriage. And now Biden does the same thing at the debate with Sarah Palin he says he doesn’t agree with gay marriage, and now when he goes in front of Ellen he supports gay marriage.

It all depends on what state Biden is in at the time he is asked the question. He is for gay unions in Ca. and NY and against in Pa. and Ohio. Same as clean coal!! He likes to talk about being a Catholic but supports abortion. 36 yrs in the Senate and he has not accomplished what Palin has in 3-4 yrs of public service in Ak!

The “troop surge” was a complete joke! Just something the bush adm. dreamed up thinking the could recover from the disaster that the iraq war was! Bush is one great big liar and he cares nothing about this country. And he talks patriotic? He is the least patriotic person in the world!!! All he cares about is how much money he and Cheney can pile into their pockets before leaving office!

Biden was a “man” at the Dunk Tank. Where Colin Ferrell, 30 years his younger, had to scamper up and push the bullseye to sink his victim, Biden threw 90 mph fastballs that methodically closed in on the Bullseye. And how about that lip kiss with Julia Louis Dreyfus and the sincerely whispered, “I’m sorry”. He’s the hot one not Obama. I’m sorry, where does he stand on the gay issue… I got caught up in the dunk tank exchange with Julia.

This guy is all over the map and is perhaps no longer a viable candidate for VP. Palin is attacked left, right and center, and this guy is out there unhinged allowed to say whatever comes to mind. He said Roosevelt came on TV during the Depression. O.k.??? He said he and Obama were against gay marriage at the debate. Now, he’s for it on Ellen’s show. He said that we will have a “generated crisis” if Obama is elected. Can the media please get clarification on these comments?