Biden Blasts Palin’s “Pro-America” Comments

Sarah Palin and her husband have nothing to offer this country.

I’m with Citizen Voter.

If she represents what their raising in Alaska, then I hope they do separate from the U.S., we don’t want them.

Just another reason why the McCain campaign doesn’t trust Palin in mainstream media interviews … she shows her true colors and puts her foot in her mouth. Palin needs to go back to her small town and leave the running of the country to the big boys.

McCain-0Palin ’08 … it’s gonna’ be great!!

And if McCain doesn’t keel over within his first 3 years, she and Todd would arrange an “accident” – have no doubt!
And if convicted, she would just say “I’m happy to have been cleared of any wrong doing whatsoever, ….. also.”

As an American I am offended by her comments. Doesn’t this sound like something an elitist would say?
There is one America, and in America we get to engage in a civil discourse of our beliefs and opinions. Just because I disagree with your politics, does not mean one of us is not an American.
This shows that she is not worthy for the office she seeks.

Bout’ Time. Why have the dems gone so soft on this pathetic wench and her weird little lap dog of a hubby.
All she does at her rally’s is use “god” and “our brave troops” and then smear “liberals.”
She hasn’t said a meaningful thing about any issue.
God I wish the Dems would attack every stupid, hypocritical thing these disgusting GOP tools do and say.
I am sick of the way they attack us “liberals” and the best Obama can do is call it a “distraction” and shrug his shoulders.
I can’t see why any undecided voter would vote for a party that is so unwilling to stand up and defend itself.

What does she mean pro-American parts of our country. I didn’t know that we had parts that weren’t pro-American. Why doesn’t she keep her stupid comments to herself?

Creeping American fascism.

“pro-America areas of this great nation”, That’s a strange comment from that ugly she dog considering that she has had a sexual relationship with an anti-American AIP member!

Reminds me of the statement Michelle Obama made when she said she has never been proud of her country.

Our ballots are sitting here on the desk. They go back to the auditor on Monday.
OBAMA/BIDEN ’08!!!

MCSHAME”HOW ABOUT THAT SARAH PALIN:HER VIEWS: NO ABORTION EVEN IN THE CASE OF RAPE AND INCEST(SICK) CREATIONISM TO BE TAUGHT IN THE PUBLIC SCHOOLS(VERY SCARY) NO SEX EDUCATION IS ALLOWED IN THE ALASKA PUBLIC SCHOOLS(SEE DAUGHTER FOR RESULTS)THE RIGHT TO INVADE AND OCCUPY A FOREIGN COUNTRY BEFORE IT ATTACKS US(SEE IRAQ FOR RESULTS)VOTE PALIN/MCSHAME IF YOU AGREE WITH THESE VIEWS!

The Republicans are constantly saying that they really love America and the Democrats hate America. Now we see clearly that they really only love ‘real’ America. In other words they only love the half of America that agrees with them. That’s NOT America. America is ALL of America.

Peoples’ selection of the candidates is sadly prompted by misinformation. The one who has more money is able to disseminate the lies efficiently by buying more air time. We know commercials are loaded with untruths but people will believe.

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Biden said “John McCain felt the need, felt the need to declare that he was not President Bush,” the Delaware lawmaker said. “There’s that old expression ‘he doth protest too loudly”
As loud as Obama protests re Ayers?
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“This woman is truly vile and hateful”.
I respectfully disagree with this comment:
This is what GOP and Karl Rove sowed over the decade, in America and all over the World.
She is a flower of the seed.

All Palin was saying was the best of america isn’t the government and big corruption lobbyists of DC.
Oh my Palin has been smeared like no other candidate ever before.
The wolves are after her.
So you are offended Palin says the people in the country are what makes america great not the government.

Hey “KEC” maybe if you were black and had to put up w/ “conservative” racism every day of your pathetic life, you would understand Michelle’s comment.
What is Palin’s excuse? God told her she was the be-all end-ell of patriotism???
Hell, ever time I watch Fox ‘News’ I am ashamed of this country.
And, POWMadeAK47.com is right. Kerry 04 tried to shy away from GOP’s crap. Look what good that did him.
This disgusting vulture should have been laughed out of the country already

This sounds like Alaska Independent Party (AIP) “talk”….of which, we know, she spoke to their convention and complimented them on the “good job” they were doing…….go google the AIP Alaska party and see what you come up with….Pandora’s box just waiting to be opened….somebody in Alaska, please, please, please…..have courage !

Sarah Stalin is as dumb as a sack of hammers… that’s why she CAN’T do serious press interviews.

For crying out loud! Enough with the personal HATE comments!. You libs do yourselves a serious disservice by being so hatefull. “this cancer, Palin”"pathetic wench”"she and Todd would arrange an ‘accident’ for McCain” You folks are why she made that comment to begin with, can’t you see that? Is the mote in your own eye so large?I don’t care for Sen Obama AT ALL, but I do not ever sink to hatefull personnal attacks as you people do. I stick to substance. His poor judgement in personnal advisors, his total lack of real world experiance which will make him a puppet to the party, and most recently, his close association with ACORN and their campaign of voter fraud. See, not one hatefull thing said. You can do it to.

It is heartening to see that so many of the real majority in this country recognize Palin for what she is: an underinformed, under educated opportunist, and just as toxic to this country as George Bush.
Compared to Palin, McCain is Mr. Rogers!
btw/ about that wink-it’s not a wink, it’s how you close one eye when you’re lining up a “shot” at a dumb moose or gullible voter.
Also, for those who adore her, vote with your feet and move to Alaska, please.

“Creeping American fascism”
It’s already here, David.
http://dennisloo.blogspot.com/2008/10/naomi-wolf-sounds-alarm.html

When Obama said people in small town Americans cling to religion and guns because of bad economy that was not just elitist and condescending to small middle class america. What Palin said actually makes sense because looking at demographics in cities as compared to small towns, there are more immigrant workers (legal or illegal), visitors, pleasure seekers per square mile than those in per square mile in any small town..I’m sure you americans agree that its highly unlikely that an immigrant who has lived here for probably 10 years or less could have more love for the country than a person born and brought up with american values.
BTW, I’m an immigrant, have no right to vote, but think Obama is fooling everybody

I wonder when Barry oh yeah..Barack… the name he uses now is going to produce a certified birth certificate. The one that would prove he was a US born citizen. Could that be why he gets so bent out of shape about being “Pro-American”?

She is repellent, divisive, hostile. Yuck.

She sees the world as “us” vs “them,” where “America” and “patriotism” are code words for her side. Our current president takes a similarly narrow view. But Palin is worse. She seems proud of her viscious denouncement of those that don’t agree with her. Vote on Nov. 4, and we’ll hopefully make it crystal clear that her “us” is not a majority in the UNITED States.

Ann….anybody can call room service and use the name of Michelle Obama….

if you dont think there are anti- american areas of this country than visit the former church of obama and listen to what rev wright has said in the past. of course lets hope it does not take you twenty years like it did obama

So were the people that were killed on 9/11 not Americans? Wouldn’t they be big city east coast elitists in Palin’s eyes.
How can you invoke 9/11 and then disparage the very people who died that day?

I don’t believe Germany invaded us either in WW1 or WW2. But I’m glad we fought them when we did or we would be blogging in German. I’ll bet that most of these e-mails come from people who a. Never had to meet a payroll. b.Never served in the armed forces c. Are still at the age that they want to clean up the world when they still can’t clean up there own room.

Amm, That’s really funny considering she doesn’t eat seafood! It’s called a food allergy…

I’d LOVE to see Hillary debate her…she’d send her back to Alaska with a wink and a smile :-) As an independent (well, no longer)female, Ohio voter, I am embarassed for the women’s movement…

It was one of Sarah’s OWN PARTY, the conservative Republican David Brooks, who said Sarah Palin is a “fatal cancer to the Republican party”
Don’t be blaming Democrats for repeating that. Republicans are jumping off your sinking ship like RATS.
Do your research.

Peter in OH should go back to school and learn to spell, and at the same time,perhaps he could take a course in civics and on the U.S. Constitution.

I once was a pathetic democrat a long-long time ago when I was naive. Of course I was only 18 then. Now as an Independent, and after reading some of these ignorant comments, mainly by the left, I remember why I left the nightmare. BO will never be my president, because I’m a self-made man and I don’t need handouts from what I believe is a Socialist. It’s time to retire. He can give your money away!

Hey To Judged,
She has NEVER once said anything bad about lobbyists, greed, or corruption. There is no way you can try to spin and inject those ideals into her speech.
You fail, try again in 4 years…so you can fail again

I just turned 18 in May and voting for Obama, but I live in Arizona so it won’t really matter.

You are wrong.
She is pandering to her base, which frankly is the right word, as they are all simply base.
She has flat out called people east coast elitists and has definitely implied they are not “real” Americans. Well, I’ll tell you what over 3000 AMERICANS died in New York City on 9/11 and I am deeply and personally offended by her and her remarks.

Professor Ayers was never convicted of terrorism or murder. G Liddy, who McCain pals around with, actually went to jail. Sarah Six-Pack hangs out with haters at all those nazi-style hate rallies.

Obama is fooling you with his eloquence, nice talking, friendly, pleasant, calm and cool composure. These are all good qualities in a friend. He lacks leadership, judgement, decisiveness, experience and most of all the passion for the values of America. He thinks america is wrong, has been wrong, its position in the world needs to be more like India (powerless, passive, and defensive). If you guys want America to be that way, I have no problem who you vote for president. Just make sure you are reading between the lines in his speeches or any of the liberal so called leaders.

Palin had her lt governor run against Don Young because of his corrupton.
Palin taxed the big oil companies with a windfall profits tax.
Palin kicked the oil companies off land they weren’t using.
Palin passed an ethics reform bill as governor.
Palin took away a project big oil was using.
Palin has been a leader on reform but the media is out to destroy her.
Enough is enough.
This country isn’t a democracy anymore with this media.
This media even sets out to destroy Joe the Plumber.
This media is a disgrace it is the like the pro chavez media in venezuela.

WOW, since I posted, there were a dozen more hatefull comments! WHY? WHY are you libs so full of hate? Hate is all it is with the way you speak. When someone speaks the truth, you shout “Racism!, Hatemonger!, Idiot!, Dufus! Bushy, McBusherton!, and anyother number of frankly foolish things. Point to ponder: Sen Obama has outspent Sen McCain 4or5 to 1 everywhere; ALL the MSM is in SEN Obama’s corner, Sen Obama is supported by almost all the celebs, yet he is only 4-7 point ahead of Sen McCain. Hmmm, maybe we just don’t want Sen Obama.

Palin was talking about the government in DC.
Palin was talking about the government in DC vs the rest of america.
Please stop taking her out of context.

Palin’s negative and biased comments have made it a stronger reason to vote for Obama. What makes her decide what is pro-america? Agree with her lack of knowledge? Is this the new standard?
I want the person in charge to be smarter and more capable than me. Not less and proud of her lack of world affairs, knowledge. We live in a global world and our actions or lack of have consequences, & viceversa. I am an American & want the USA to be a better country. A better citizen of the world, and I want the people we elect to work for all of us, not just the Haliburton’s, Wall Street profiteers, the major contributors be they Real Estate, Telecomunication lobbyists or other industries.
Barac is a much better choice than McCain & Palin, the angry old man and dumb down elitist.

To JoeVoter,
P.S. You’re an idiot
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McCain might even lose in Arizona. The people there also understand the risk of electing people with low level eucation to deal with the wars in Irak and Afghanistan and the chalenges of the economy. McCain can not even deal with 2 crisis at the same time while Palin is too uneducated to provide any assistance on any subject of serious interests.

So Obama hangs out with the murderer terroist Bill Ayers and Palin hangs out with average citizens who are pro-America. That sounds like a clear choice for voters; Vote for those who hang out with America haters or vote for those who hang out with those who are pro-America. Chalk this up to another Joe Biden gaff. Bringing up the pro-America / anti-America topic this close to the election. Nobody would have noticed it if you didn’t mention it, Joe.
Posted by: Don Milton | Oct 17, 2008 6:33:35 PM
I guess hanging out with G. Gordon Liddy and the US Council for World Freedom and Timmons is more you cup of tea.?

Tim,
Any vote for Obama in Arizona is a slap in McCain’s face. I hope you slap him hard on 11/4.

To Education matters,
Please don’t try to “help” the Dems anymore. It is obvious you are GOP with all the spelling errors…
“Irak”? I laughed hard at that

Sarah Palin is clearly one of the most vile, shameless, cancerous and dispicable politicians. Calling senator Obama a ‘terrorist’ and saying that she likes ‘pro-America’ part of the country, along with her other hateful and dispicable comments.
If she is VP/prez, your children’s safety is in extreme danger. Count on it.

JoeVoter:
You have a good point. 4-7 point lead in popular vote. However, thats not how one gets elected. Why don’t you look at an electoral map and see what the score really is.
And if all the ‘libs’ are so filled with hate, why are we the ones who want to end the war?
Typical conservative, lot of talk without any substance to back up your ridiculous claim. Remember when Saddam has WMD’s?

Funny how it’s always the GOP crowd that can’t spell…

Wow. Room service. In New York City. At the Waldorf. And it was expensive. That IS a revelation.
But what if it’s cheaper than having a Secret Service detail trail you?
Most likely, she actually SAVED money.
Jealous, much?

Remember when Saddam has WMD’s?
Posted by: palinwasapornstar | Oct 17, 2008 6:47:17 PM
The Republicans still think he has them….lol.

Palin and her husband were part of the Alaska independence party. Their leader says: ‘I’ll never want my budy wrapped in their damn flag. I want my body to be wrapped in Alaska’s flag, when we’re our own nation’
Her pastor is anti-semitic.

Yes, there is a lot of anger in the Republican camp. It is sad because there are some good people here, but their clear sense that Obama-supporters are unable to see all the evidence and make a decision is really unproductive and wrong.
Lot’s of Obama supporters are Veterans, many of us have lost people in every conflict that the US has fought – so don’t go there. There are Marines, sailors, and soldiers who support Obama.
I do understand that hard-core McCain supporters cannot believe that intelligent people could support Obama – but they are. The sky is blue in my world – if it is in yours, then maybe there is something you aren’t considering.
In my most cynical moments, I think that anyone who voted for Bush probably needs to take this election off or vote for the person we tell you to – because you, in all your righteous intelligence, have totally endangered our country in more ways that you may ever know. We are dealing with an economic crisis now – but the poles are melting and when those buffers are gone – in just a few years – the economic crisis may look like a small deal.
So, focus tonight on how many stars there are, that we are small things in this world, and that it would be stupid for us to waste more energy hating each other when, in our hearts, we know we have some great common goals.
Many of you remind me of my family! A few generations ago, we were on both sides of the civil war and never ever spoke again. Last generation, people would get into fights and not speak for years – now we don’t do that so much. Maybe you can all stop that, too? It’s better together.
If you are good, we can go out for a root beer float after supper.
Love, Mom
Love, Mom

its not a big deal she said these small towns are “pro-american”, that doesnt mean everyone else is anti-american, look at Joe Bidens anger at nothing, he seems a little out of control over mere comments taken completely out of context and people trying to put words in her mouth

Sam, I’m afaid that is what she means. There’s been so much hateful, judgemental speech – unfortunately, mostly from the right – it takes great strength not to be frightened by it.
But we cannot operate on the basis of fear. That has been the Republican strategy forever – and it has led us to this mess. Republicans really need to stop and ask themselves whose puppets are they being with all the knee-jerk responses to Obama.
There are some basically good people on the right – they just believe a lot of the lies their leaders tell them about liberals.
Time to give that up. We are all children of God – made in His image and likeness. If we have to rebuild this country it isn’t going to help if one segment of the country is heck-bent on tearing it down. That is DEFINATELY not patriotic.
I’m tired. It’s been a long day. I can’t wait to sit around the fire and put my feet up. You guys are all welcome!
Love, Mom

its not a big deal she said these small towns are “pro-american”, that doesnt mean everyone else is anti-american, look at Joe Bidens anger at nothing, he seems a little out of control over mere comments taken completely out of context and people trying to put words in her mouth
Posted by: sam | Oct 17, 2008 6:55:26 PM
The Republicans do that every day.

America is seeing its slavery heritage, and bogus theories about other humanbeings get dismantled, and the truth simply hurts and infinitely painful. No need for fear that the tables will get turned because there is still civility and respect in the hearts of some. Look within, confront, address and temper your fears for they’re only unwarranted fears. He that is guilty should be fearful…

And by the way I’m not afraid to use my own name as opposed to. “jwench,” “palinwasapornstar” How cute. I’m sure that makes you proud. IN GOD WE TRUST.

Sam….
well…the rep from Jews for Jesus – in his speech at Palin’s church…DID say that the bombings he had witnessed by Palestinian terrorist in Israel were just punishment by God to Israel for not being Christian…
I DO call that Anti-Semitic…
Response Please.

What did they take out of context,?enlighten us all with your infinite wisdom.
Reply:
As she does in all her straight talk speeches the comparison here is between washington i.e. the polticians and small town middle class people. its been taken out of context by Joe obviously hes a hurt cuz hes a politician in washington. And he repeatedly said every part of america is pro america, she never said other parts were anti american or anything close to that.
Even if we stretch it a lot it could be against liberal media, which I agree with.
Be cool and think clearly.

And by the way I’m not afraid to use my own name as opposed to. “jwench,” “palinwasapornstar” How cute. I’m sure that makes you proud. IN GOD WE TRUST.
Posted by: Orlando Tesoriero | Oct 17, 2008 7:12:06 PM
That just shows how stupid you are. Don’t ya think that people in this day and age can look up your address etc? I don’t want any of you Republican nutjobs anywhere near me. As many whackos that there are out there, who would be stupid enough to do that?

We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C.,” Palin said at a Greensboro, NC fundraiser Thursday“We believe, we believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard-working, very patriotic, pro-America areas of this great nation.
Check out the last part of her rambling sentence. The way she worded that it sounds as if there are not pro america areas of this country.

Sam…response on the Jews for Jesus speech?…
Please be cool and think clearly, but then respond.

It amazes me that low lifes from the republican party actually think they know what an American is. As this country collapses under the actions of a republican president, who had a republican congress who had $400 billion dollar deficits and 2 needless wars, and now are taking over banks are going to tell the rest of us who americans are. They have cleaned out the treasury or our money, they lied to us about WMD’s, they lied to us about the threats to this country. They are calling people un-American who use their freedom of speech to tell the leaders of the country that they are wrong, and should follow the constitution.
The only un-Americans in this country are the fascist republicans who are trying to determine who is good, and all others are evil.

Sarah Palin is a coward.
The wolves aren’t after her — though they would be entitled, since she celebrates killing them from airplanes.

Orlando…
instead of getting in p***ng match over your blogging name with anyone…how about some responses to that partial list of unsavory associations of John McCain’s. Please research, respond and let me know how you feel about that whole “guilt by association” thing when directed at Senator MCCain.

Speaking out against the leaders of this country who are taking this country down the wrong road are not anti-american. If you read the writings of our founding fathers, these people are actually true americans. But then, most republicans believe that the constitution is a great old document that gets in the way of their leading.

Karen,
That was not the pastor of “Jews for Jesus” church who said it, that was a speaker they invited to the church one time.

one time or one hundred times, she thought enough of that person to pray with him. Guilt by association, isn’t that the game?

Sam…
I never said it was the pastor of the church…it was an invited guest speaker…So…it’s all cool since it was a one time thing?
LAME.

Sam…
heard any denouncements from Gov Palin, the church or it’s pastor over the Jews for Jesus speakers comments?
NOPE.

This is what “CLASS WARFARE” is all about, John.

Sam…
what about those denouncements…seen any?
Response?
I noticed Mr Orlando is gone too..
Suppose he’s out fact checking the partial list I gave him of McCain’s radical associates?

Karen,
I dont think what you are saying has any truth to it, havent seen a major newspaper or channel report what you said about Sarah palin starting her political career with Alaskan Independence Party inspite of them being so anti palin and pro obama.
Let the truth be revealed about Obama too, about his political career starting with Bill Ayers who tried to bomb pentagon, thats dangerous than anybody making anti semitic comments, for gods sake Michael richards did worse and people still love him for his talent and mel gibson made such comments and still he hasnt lost any of his fame. Words are milder and less effective that actions, Obama made judgements and acted in a wrong way(serving with Bill Ayers), while Palins church speaker made some comments. wheres the comparison here

Or should I say they all leave when it gets a little “dicey”? (see john mccain’s gambling addiction).

Sam…so you only believe what the media feeds you?
No independent fact checking…
hang on…I’ll help you out.

Sam…
let’s start here…this blog doesn’t like to allow y.ou..t.ube… links..
so – challenge…go to you tube and search for governor Palin’s Speech at the Alaskan Independence party convention this year…
Then…wait..there’s more.

Thank you Joe Biden! I, too am sick and tired of this bullying on patriotism rot by the republicans. They do not own nor do they have a lock on patriotism.
Tonight on Hardball that idiot Michelle Bachman dared to question the patriotism of obama and other democrats.
Well, what about her! Why is it that republicans think they are the only people who love their country and the farther rightwing fringe the more they think this nonsense.
No one owns patriotism and no one party is the more patriotic.
We are all Americans. We all love our country.
Let’s stop this stupid McCarthyism and dark ages thinking of the rightwing.
I suppose with the death of conservatism and the republicans being devoid of ideas, all they have left is bullying, demigoging, inflaming and inciting hate and racism.
How far a proud party has fallen from the one of Teddy Roosevelt and DD Eisenhower and even Ronald Reagan.

the article is from salon.com and is dated 10/10/08 and references Chryson…the chairman of the AIP at the time Gov Palin ran for mayor the first time…first hand interviews included.
Apples to apples yet?
There’s more…

karen,
i’m not a journalist, dont even have a freakin right to vote. i’m just telling things the way i see it as an outsider a non voter without any biases or party affiliations although i have to agree i’m a little republican leaning.
i love obama, his eloquence, his good nature, his elegance and style, i just dont think hes very transparent as far as what he believes in, or his positions on issues, hes just trying to say whats popular with the times.

Osama and Biden know NOTHING about the pro-American parts of this country, Palin has nothing to apologize for, she is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!!!!!!!! They are leftist anti-American liberals and they deserve to lose!
MCCAIN PALIN 2008! VOTE FOR *AMERICA*!

McCain linked to group in Iran-Contra case
Organization had ties to former Nazi collaborators, right-wing death squads
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27062761/

Liberals aren’t anti-american. Our founding fathers were liberal. Heck, jesus was liberal. I guess that puts you fascist, racist righties on the wrong end of the stick.

Roger said: ” I’ll bet that most of these e-mails come from people who a. Never had to meet a payroll. b.Never served in the armed forces c. Are still at the age that they want to clean up the world when they still can’t clean up there own room.”
So Roger, since I am a young sloppy college graduate with a middle management job, my opinion doesn’t count? Sorry I didn’t live up too your standards….loser

How come Sarah is the only candidate not to appear in a Sunday talk show….She would probably just sit in a corner and drool

jwench,
What’s the big deal? Your argument of association fails because Senator McCain’s record disproves any wrong doing.
In contrast, Obama lacks a record to disprove wrong doing and when added to a lack of forthright responses it reinforces the evidence from witnesses that put him in Ayer’s living room in activities to promote his career. So in Obama’s case, it’s the evidence of wrongdoing, not of association that is the issue. An argument of association means nothing. Nothing.

Sam…why no right to vote?

What Greasy Sarah is saying just continues the string of her attacks against Obama, only in a slightly toned down manner but with a wider shotgun blast. Obama = Terrorist. Obama supporters = Terrorist sympathizers. Other parts of America that are not patriotic = Terrorist enclaves. So for the base, this reinforces the mantra that Barack and his supporters do not see America as they do and mean to do America harm, i.e. by voting a “terrorist” into the highest and most powerful office in the land. Doesn’t matter if she or her repug flacks come out later to “clarify” what she actually meant. The damage has already been done and her supporters have gotten the red meat that they crave and the sound bite is out there for the leftwing, rightwing and MSM to pretzel itself around into analyzing.
Regarding the use of 9/11 as a patriotic bludgeon, The Daily Show had a woman from NPR on last week and the discussion turned to Palin’s anti elitist meme. The woman from NPR basically said that since the terrorists attacked New York as a representation of America, she figured that that line of attack was disingenous at best insofar as they didn’t attack Indiana or Iowa or Alaska even, as a representation of America. She also said that it was a disconnect for Palin to criticize East Coast elitism while wrapping herself in 9/11. Lastly, I’d like to address this whole “share the wealth” controversy. I don’t know about anyone else, but I don’t want anyone elses money. I want more of the money that I work for and earn and the only way that is going to happen is if my taxes go down. I would also like to be able to drive on highways and cross bridges that have not been neglected. This whole canard about taking someone elses money and giving it to the poor or disadvantaged is a macguffin that has absolutely nothing to do with the problems facing this country. Thanks for reading!

i agree with joe-truth. i cant believe how even one can compare Obama and McCain
Obama and Palin could be close…

Sam…
nice of you to agree with joe-truth…but as you said…you can’t vote..
may i AGAIN ask why?

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/06/mccain-abotion-bombers/
McCain’s record of suporting domestic terrorism when directed at abortion clinics…
– Voting against making anti-choice violence a federal crime. As the Jed Report notes, McCain voted in 1993 and 1994 against making “bombings, arson and blockades at abortion clinics, and shootings and threats of violence against doctors and nurses who perform abortions” federal crimes.
– Opposing Colorado’s “Bubble Law.” McCain said he opposed Colorado’s “Bubble Law,” which prohibited abortion protesters from getting within 8 feet of women entering clinics [Denver Post, 2/27/00]. The law was later upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.
– Voting to allow those fined for violence at clinics to avoid penalties by declaring bankruptcy. NARAL Pro-Chioce America notes that McCain “voted to allow perpetrators of violence or harassment at reproductive-health clinics to avoid paying the fines assessed against them for their illegal acts by declaring bankruptcy.”

Sorry for posting info twice. :)

karen,
i was inspired by Obama when I first saw him speak at the convention and ever since its very disappointing to know his positions, his record, inexperience and his associations with most radical people and his comments about “people in small towns clinging to guns and religion(cant believe he doesnt understand the importance of religion in american society)”

Question for Ms. Palin:
Do you find it difficult to be “pro-American” and a secessionist at the same time?
Or are you too dumb to see the conflict?
AMEN

i was inspired by Obama when I first saw him speak at the convention and ever since its very disappointing to know his positions, his record, inexperience and his associations with most radical people and his comments about “people in small towns clinging to guns and religion(cant believe he doesnt understand the importance of religion in american society)”
this has turned me off from voting and mainstream media overlooking all this in Obama and abusing power making it almost a unanimous bid for president for Obama

MCcain is still getting money from keating…also troubling given the current deregulation mess.
http://washingtonindependent.com/4447/keating-firm-raises-50k-for-mccain

was inspired by Obama when I first saw him speak at the convention and ever since its very disappointing to know his positions, his record, inexperience and his associations with most radical people and his comments about “people in small towns clinging to guns and religion(cant believe he doesnt understand the importance of religion in american society)”
this has turned me off from voting and mainstream media overlooking all this in Obama and abusing power making it almost a unanimous bid for president for Obama
Posted by: sam | Oct 17, 2008 8:15:33 PM
You have the nerve to bring up abusing power? Both McCain and Palin have ethics violations.

Obama apologizing to Germans for America. sickening.

i didnt mean Obama abusing power i meant mainstream media …correction

How about Obama’s church? It that place pro-American?
“God Damn America!” (Barack Obama’s Reverend Wright)
How about Obama’s home?
“For The First Time In My Life I’m Proud of My Country” (Michelle Obama)

How about Obama’s church? It that place pro-American?
“God Damn America!” (Barack Obama’s Reverend Wright)
How about Obama’s home?
“For The First Time In My Life I’m Proud of My Country” (Michelle Obama)
Posted by: Proud American | Oct 17, 2008 8:25:11 PM
Please don’t post half the quote. IF you are going to cite what someone says post the whole thing and the ACTUAL quote.

look at what mccain picked for vp—just think what we would have if mccain was unable—-now that is something to keep you up at night.

Joe Biden was out of line and was just running at the mouth as he is known to do. He took the comment and blew it out of content. But Michelle Obama saying she has never been proud of her country – that was OK.
It appears that the Democrats just cannot stop the negative campaign.
Posted by: Barbara | Oct 17, 2008 8:25:50 PM
I guess calling Obama a baby killer in robocalls and a guy who palls around with terrorists postive campaigning?

Not exact quote…
I think it actually sounded a bit worse than that..
We can probably pull transcripts…shall I?
Posted by: karen | Oct 17, 2008 8:29:34 PM
Please do. For all his “Fellow Prisoners”

mccain wont tell us about the crown prince of the hanoi hilton.

You know, I have said damn america quite few times since Bush and the republicans took power. I am not anti-american, just anti bad government.
I love this country and I am voting for Obama! Lets get things back to how the founding fathers envisioned it.

Problem with Palin is she’s talking about specific places being “pro-America”…yet is associated with an Anti-American group.

Joe Biden must be anti-American. He attacks anyone who loves America and talks about the greatness that makes up America. The Democrats are running a negative campaign because the Democrats know Americans are waking up the Democrat lies. The Democrat program promises cannot become a reality and the Democrats know that they are making empty promises. A recent Gallup poll shows Obama is attracting more men and people with less education.
McCain is now within two percentage points of Barack Obama in one Gallup poll, trailing by just 49-47 percent. He trails by wider margins in other Gallup polls. But even there, he gained in recent days leading up to Wednesday night’s third and final presidential debate. The negative attacks by the Democrats shows their desperation to keep a shrinking presidential lead. It would seem Americans are not the fools that the Obama camp thinks they are.

Obama is out of touch with the real numbers. Obama figures are much lower to make you think the national healthcare plan is feasible. Another sucker play designed to get the vote of the less educated voters.
Statement attributable to:
Nancy Nielsen, MD
AMA President
“As our nation continues to face a crisis of about 46 million uninsured, many Americans need to look no further than their own families and friends, or neighbors to find someone without health insurance. The uninsured problem does not discriminate; it affects each and every one of us, and everyone deserves better than the status quo. As members of Congress and presidential candidates gather at the conventions, it is vital that they address this important issue.
“Many patients don’t have access to needed health care as the economy’s health declines. Employer-based health insurance is no longer an option for many workers and their families, as employment-based coverage continued to decline in 2007, dropping to 59.3 percent. Americans need more affordable, portable health insurance options.
“U.S. health care spending continues to climb, driving up premiums, and pricing many patients out of coverage. Uninsured patients often don’t get the preventive care they need leading to more difficult and more costly conditions to treat. A good first step to address health care costs is to cover all Americans, ensuring they have better access to health care.
“The AMA proposal to cover the uninsured is a public and private approach that will make needed changes to today’s system. We advocate for a shift in tax incentives for health insurance so lower-income Americans get money to purchase coverage. We also want insurance market reforms to provide individuals more choices and ensure coverage for high-risk patients.
Despite a presidential veto, H.R. 6331, the “Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act of 2008,” passed with wide, bi-partisan majorities in both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. See how your senators and representative voted. This bill now becomes law.
This legislation replaces the 10.6% payment cut that went into effect on July 1 with a 0.5% update extension through December 31, 2008. For calendar year 2009, the update will be 1.1%. Other important provisions such as extending the GPCI floor on physician work were also included.
This 18-month reprieve will also provide time for Congress to work with physicians on developing a long-term solution to a payment system that all agree is fatally flawed.
The Democrats cannot control the AMA.

Blackjack, don’t kid yourself, they voted for bush…twice.

did you all see the Republican on Hardball tonight who called for a congressional witchhunt to call out anti-americans..including in (her opinion – Obama)..
Methinks it’s time from someone in the MSM to have the juice to expose Governor Palin’s association with the Anti-American radical Alaskan Independence Party.

of course they will tighten the polls.
how else can they pull off a Steal?

Funny…I was sitting next to an ex-Brit on the airplane last night who was bemoaning American healthcare and stating a fondness for his British system( he’s married to an American)…I also live just south of the Canadian Border and have had multiple conversations with Canadians who are basically pleased with their system. Of course…it’s not the goldplated insurance…but…for those with money…there are still private add-on options to be utilized. Also…the system Obama has proposed is not a direct model of either of those systems.

Palin gets her hiney roasted on Saturnday Night Live.
This week is all about AIP– should be interesting.

Part of British medicine not mentioned on a airplane.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/02/big-pharma-ties-wants-to-shut-down-vaccine-conspiracy-theories.aspx?source=nl

Things Obama forgot to tell you.
http://www.theobamafile.com/ObamaLatest.htm
Posted by: BlackJack | Oct 17, 2008 8:54:09 PM
Real source of misinformation. No wonder you people spout the nonsense you do.

Perhaps people should first study at Wharton School and learn about statistics.
The Use — and Misuse — of Statistics: How and Why Numbers Are So Easily Manipulated. All is not as it seems in the polls:
http://knowledge.wharton.upenn.edu/article.cfm?articleid=1928
The Use — and Misuse — of Statistics: How and Why Numbers Are So Easily
Manipulated

Everyone (Republicans) keeps complaining about Obama and or his ties to others. Most of the Republicans (I’ve got several in my family) are RACISTS and have flat out said that about themselves so it only stands to reason that most of the whiners posting against Obama on these sites are as well.
Here is some information regarding the next Dictator (voted 90% with the A.S.S. that’s in there right now) that the Republicans would like to see win the Whitehouse.
AFTER EIGHT YEARS OF LIES, CRIMINAL ACTIVITIES, MONEY THIEVING BAS%^&DS, IT TRULY SHOWS THE INTELLIGENCE LEVEL OF THE PEOPLE THAT WOULD WANT MORE OF THE SAME. WHAT A GROUP OF LOSERS.
McCain’s Kremlin Ties
Over the course of the presidential campaign, John McCain has repeatedly emphasized his willingness to stand up to Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin as proof that only he possesses the fortitude and judgment to become the next leader of the free world. In his acceptance speech at the Republican convention, McCain lashed out at Putin and the Russian oligarchs, who, “rich with oil wealth and corrupt with power…[are] reassembling the old Russian Empire.” McCain rushed to publicly support the Georgian republic during its recent conflict with Russia and amplified his threat to expel Moscow from the G-8 club of major powers. His running mate, Sarah Palin, suggested in her first major interview that the United States might have to go to war with Russia one day in order to protect Georgia–the kind of apocalyptic scenario the United States avoided during the cold war.
Yet despite McCain’s tough talk, behind the scenes his top advisers have cultivated deep ties with Russia’s oligarchy–indeed, they have promoted the Kremlin’s geopolitical and economic interests, as well as some of its most unsavory business figures, through greedy cynicism and geopolitical stupor. The most notable example is the tale of how McCain and his campaign manager, Rick Davis, advanced what became a key victory for the Kremlin: gaining control over the small but strategically important country of Montenegro.
According to two former senior US diplomats who served in the Balkans, Davis and his lobbying firm, Davis Manafort, received several million dollars to help run Montenegro’s independence referendum campaign of 2006. The terms of the agreement were never disclosed to the public, but top Montenegrin officials told the US diplomats that Davis’s work was underwritten by powerful Russian business interests connected to the Kremlin and operating in Montenegro. Neither Davis nor the McCain campaign responded to repeated requests for comment. (Davis’s extensive lobbying work, especially on behalf of collapsed mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, has already attracted critical media scrutiny.)
At the time, Putin wanted to establish a Russian outpost in the Mediterranean, and Montenegro–a coastal republic across the Adriatic from Italy–was seen as his best hope. McCain also lobbied for Montenegro’s independence from Serbia, calling it “the greatest European democracy project since the end of the cold war.” For McCain, the simplistic notion of “independence” from a country America had gone to war with in the late 1990s was all that mattered. What Montenegro looked like after independence seemed not to interest him. This suited Putin just fine. Russia had generally sided with Serbia against the West during the Balkan wars of the 1990s, but for the Kremlin, cutting Montenegro free from Serbia meant dealing with a Montenegro that could be more easily controlled. Indeed, today, after its “independence,” Montenegro is nicknamed “Moscow by the Mediterranean.” Russian oligarchs control huge chunks of the country’s industry and prized coastline–and Russians exert a powerful influence over the country’s political culture. “Montenegro is almost a new Russian colony, as rubles flow in to buy property and business in the tiny state,” Denis MacShane, Tony Blair’s former Europe minister, wrote in Newsweek in June. The takeover of Montenegro has been a Russian geostrategic victory–quietly accomplished, paradoxically enough, with the help of McCain and his top aides.
In mid-September The Nation’s website published a photo of McCain celebrating his seventieth birthday in Montenegro in August 2006 at a yacht party hosted by convicted Italian felon Raffaello Follieri and his movie-star girlfriend Anne Hathaway. On the same day one of the largest mega-yachts in the world, the Queen K, was moored in the same bay of Kotor. This was where the real party was. The owner of the Queen K was known as “Putin’s oligarch”: Oleg Deripaska, controlling shareholder of the Russian aluminum giant RusAl, currently listed as the ninth-richest man in the world, with a rap sheet as abundant as his wealth. By mid-2005 Deripaska had already virtually taken control of Montenegro’s economy by snapping up its aluminum plant, KAP–which accounts for up to 40 percent of the country’s GDP and some 80 percent of its export earnings–in a nontransparent privatization tender strongly criticized by NGO watchdogs, Montenegrin politicians and journalists. The Nation has learned that Deripaska told one of his closest associates that he bought the plant “because Putin encouraged him to do it.” The reason: “the Kremlin wanted an area of influence in the Mediterranean.”
In mid-2005 Ambassador Richard Sklar, the former lead US official in the Balkans, ceased advising the Montenegrin government (he’d worked as a pro bono adviser after leaving the US diplomatic service) when it became clear the plant was being handed to Deripaska under heavy Russian pressure. “I quit because it was a bad deal, not for any political reasons. The Russians scared all the other buyers off. They offered far too little money and got themselves a sweetheart deal.”
Russia’s virtual takeover of Montenegro was well under way by January 2006, when Rick Davis introduced Deripaska to McCain at a villa in Davos, Switzerland. They met again seven months later, at a reception in Montenegro celebrating McCain’s birthday, as reported in the Washington Post.
The story of how Oleg Deripaska, 40, rose from a Cossack village to become a Putin-blessed aluminum tycoon with an estimated $40 billion fortune does not begin with a lemonade stand and old-fashioned elbow grease. Like most post-Soviet success stories, Deripaska’s rise began abruptly and violently, during the chaotic reign of Boris Yeltsin. Among all the battles for control of valuable state assets in the 1990s, none were as bloody as the “aluminum wars,” in which organized-crime gangs hired by competing interests assassinated dozens of executives, shareholders and bankers. During a visit to the United States in 1995, Deripaska threatened the lives of two aluminum rivals, Yuri and Mikhail Zhivilo, according to a RICO lawsuit filed against Deripaska in New York district court in 2000. The RICO case is just one of many lawsuits, including one filed in Israel by a former business partner claiming that Deripaska illegally wiretapped an Israeli cabinet minister. In addition, German prosecutors have begun a criminal money-laundering investigation in Stuttgart. (Deripaska did not respond to requests for comment.)
Deripaska understands that success in Russia today comes from a mixture of brute force, political influence and personal connections. In 2001, about a year after Putin signed a decree granting legal immunity to Yeltsin’s family, Deripaska married Yeltsin’s granddaughter, thereby cementing his own immunity and power. Throughout Putin’s reign, Deripaska has adhered to an unwritten understanding between Putin and the oligarchs: as long as they support the Kremlin, they can operate with impunity. Deripaska has thus taken on numerous projects dear to Putin, such as building a new airport in Sochi for the 2014 Olympics and buying out Tajikistan’s aluminum plant to help Putin reassert control over that key ex-Soviet republic. Deripaska openly admits that his RusAl holdings are subservient to the Kremlin’s wishes, telling the Financial Times last year, “If the state says we need to give it up, we’ll give it up.”
Yet Deripaska faced a serious obstacle to his business ambitions, hampering his duties as a Putin surrogate. Because of numerous accusations of involvement in death threats, extortion, racketeering and money laundering, he had been barred from entering America since 1998. Putin has lobbied for Deripaska’s US visa. In an interview with Le Monde earlier this year, Putin complained, “I have asked my American colleagues why. If you have reasons for not delivering him a visa, if you have documents on illegal activities, give us them…. They give us nothing, explain to us nothing, and forbid him from entry.”
The visa ban was costing Deripaska billions: for years he and fellow RusAl shareholders had sought to cash in their wealth by launching an IPO in London, which could have netted up to $10 billion for RusAl’s owners. However, finding institutional buyers would be difficult if not impossible as long as RusAl’s primary owner was barred from entering the United States.
Despite rampant Russophobia among Republicans, Deripaska turned to powerful GOP figures to solve his problem–especially to Republicans connected with McCain. In 2003 Deripaska hired former presidential candidate Bob Dole, who had nearly picked McCain as his running mate, and Dole’s lobbying partner Bruce Jackson (also a McCain aide) to lobby the State Department to overturn the visa ban, according to Glenn Simpson and Mary Jacoby of the Wall Street Journal. Over the next few years Dole’s firm, Alston & Bird, was paid more than $500,000 to push for Deripaska’s visa.
Deripaska also reached out to a Washington-based intelligence firm, Diligence, chaired by GOP foreign policy hand Richard Burt, McCain’s top foreign policy adviser in 2000 and an adviser in ’08 (Burt left Diligence in 2007 to join Henry Kissinger’s consulting firm). Deripaska’s business partner in London, Nathaniel Rothschild, an heir to the English Rothschild fortune, bought a stake in Diligence, according to the New York Times and confirmed by a Rothschild spokesman. The firm offered Deripaska many useful services: corporate intelligence gathering, visa lobbying through considerable GOP connections and, crucially, help in obtaining a $150 million World Bank/European Bank for Reconstruction and Development loan for a Deripaska subsidiary, the Komi Aluminum Project. Getting the loan was useful in providing a layer of comfort to Western investors skittish about RusAl. So Diligence, now partly owned by Rothschild, provided a “due diligence” report to the World Bank, which the Bank then used to approve its loan to Deripaska.
Not surprisingly, the lobbying worked: in December 2005 Deripaska was issued a multientry US visa, according to the State Department. During his brief stay he signed his World Bank loan, spoke at a Carnegie Endowment meeting and attended a dinner for Harvard University’s Belfer Center, where, thanks to a generous donation, he became a member of its international council.
However, Deripaska’s trip did not end well. Under the visa’s terms, he was forced to endure lengthy FBI questioning. According to the mining-industry newsletter Mineweb, the list of his enemies had grown from jilted former business partners to the heads of powerful US metals companies and government officials unhappy with RusAl’s control of key Third World bauxite mines, which threatened beleaguered US aluminum giants. The interview went badly–according to people who know him, Deripaska had little patience for prying bureaucrats. When he left the country, the visa ban was reinstated. Once again Deripaska turned to powerful Republicans–this time, to McCain and campaign manager Davis, who arranged the January 2006 Davos introduction. The McCain campaign later claimed that “any contact between Mr. Deripaska and the senator was social and incidental,” but afterward Deripaska thanked Davis for arranging “such an intimate setting.” The Washington Post reported that Davis was “seeking to do business with the billionaire.” Indeed, Deripaska’s subsequent thank-you letter mentioned his possible investment in a metals company Davis represented through a hedge-fund client.
If you’re wondering how Deripaska came to know Davis & Co., the answer lies in Russia’s next-door neighbor Ukraine.
In December 2004 Ukrainians poured into the streets of Kiev and other cities in the peaceful “Orange Revolution,” which overthrew a Putin-backed corrupt leader, Viktor Yanukovich, who had tried to steal the country’s presidential election that year (during which the pro-Western opposition candidate, Viktor Yushchenko, was poisoned and almost died). It was a serious blow to Russia’s geopolitical standing.
Putin’s Ukrainian proxies were also in trouble. Shortly after the Orange Revolution, a murder investigation was launched against the country’s richest oligarch, Rinat Akhmetov, Yanukovich’s main backer. Akhmetov fled the country. In exile in Monaco, he turned to Davis’s business partner, Paul Manafort–the second name in the lobbying firm Davis Manafort. An old GOP hand, Manafort, like Davis, had played a key role in Dole’s failed 1996 presidential run and had worked for dictators like Ferdinand Marcos of the Philippines and Mobutu Sese Seko of Zaire. Akhmetov initially hired Manafort to improve the image of his beleaguered conglomerate, SCM, but soon Manafort’s role shifted to helping Yanukovich.
Manafort assembled a skilled team of political operatives in Ukraine and set about raising the popularity of Yanukovich’s pro-Russian Party of Regions, which Akhmetov financed. It was a very lucrative deal for Davis Manafort–and successful (according to Ukrainian investigative journalist Mustafa Nayem, Akhmetov paid Manafort upward of $3 million). Yanukovich’s disgraced party won a resounding victory in the March 2006 elections–and Akhmetov returned as the top Ukrainian oligarch. Thanks in part to the work of Davis Manafort, the Orange Revolution was essentially undone, putting Putin back in the chess match over Ukraine’s future.
Publicly McCain and his campaign chief’s lobbying firm were on opposite sides. In 2005 McCain had nominated Orange Revolution hero Yushchenko for the Nobel Prize, and that spring he’d honored Yushchenko in the headquarters of the International Republican Institute, whose board McCain has chaired since 1993. But behind the scenes the former head of IRI’s Moscow office, Philip Griffin, was recruited by Manafort to work on Yanukovich’s campaign against Yushchenko. Davis Manafort’s work was considered so detrimental to US interests that a National Security Council official called McCain’s office to complain, according to the New York Times. The McCain campaign denies receiving the NSC complaint.
But the firm’s work was only just beginning. The same month Davis Manafort helped deliver this victory to Putin’s proxies, it started work on another key Kremlin success story: an independent and Russia-dominated Montenegro.
First, a little history. Montenegro was the smallest of the former Yugoslavia’s six republics. When Slobodan Milosevic was overthrown in October 2000, Montenegro’s longtime strongman, Milo Djukanovic, figured the West would reward him by supporting his push for independence. But the European Union and the United States opposed Montenegro’s secession, which they feared would undermine the new, pro-Western leaders in Serbia and bring more war. So under heavy pressure from the EU, an agreement was struck in 2002 putting off an independence referendum for at least three years.
Djukanovic then looked beyond the West for support. That same year his closest ally and mentor, Milan Rocen, was dispatched to Moscow as ambassador of the Serbia-Montenegro confederation. Rocen nurtured ties to Putin’s Russia, and by 2005 the biggest Montenegrin industrial asset, the KAP aluminum plant, was snatched up by Deripaska at Putin’s request. After that, Russia surprised everyone by dropping its objections to Montenegrin independence, which Russia’s historic ally Serbia vigorously opposed. “There seemed to be a belief that Deripaska and the Russians wanted to gain control of the aluminum plant as part of a Russian move for greater influence throughout Montenegro,” says former ambassador Sklar.
Meanwhile, Rick Davis was also eager for a piece of Montenegro’s independence, lobbying hard for Davis Manafort to run the referendum campaign. Bob Dole, who has been paid $1.38 million by the Montenegrin government since 2001 to lobby for it in Washington, urged his Montenegrin friends to hire Davis. Whether it was because of Dole or, as some speculate, the Russians, Davis got his deal.
Though Davis has claimed no connection to his partner Manafort’s controversial activities in Ukraine, he nevertheless hired at least three specialists recommended by Manafort, from the same team Manafort used for Yanukovich’s victory, to work on Montenegro’s independence referendum. They included Russian political operative Andrei Ryabchuk, an elections specialist who had previously worked on pro-Putin campaigns in Russia. Ryabchuk told The Nation that he was “recruited by Manafort’s people” out of Moscow to the Ukraine operation and then on to Montenegro.
Davis’s team was vetted by Montenegro’s Russian ambassador Rocen, who was returning from Moscow to oversee the independence campaign. Why was Davis hired? The top McCain aide was as much a political symbol as a campaign consultant. “I think the Montenegrins hired Rick to have political cover–it was important to show they had support from the United States,” said an American democracy expert who’s worked in Montenegro. Though disclosure is required by Montenegrin law, Davis Manafort’s contract with the ruling Montenegrin party was never publicly released. In addition, Djukanovic’s party never listed payments to Davis Manafort on its election filings, lending credence to private claims by top Montenegrin officials that Russian business interests paid for Davis’s work through hired third parties, an oft-used though illegal tactic in Eastern Europe to disguise money trails.
At key points in the campaign, Davis reached out to Deripaska’s allies for help. With the referendum too close to call, the Serbs tried to sway public opinion by threatening to revoke scholarships and other education privileges of Montenegrin students if the country should secede. This caused a panic–so to counter the Serbs, Davis turned to Deripaska emissary Nathaniel Rothschild (Rothschild has reportedly become the richest of all the Rothschilds, thanks to his privileged role as a Deripaska adviser).
Three weeks before the independence referendum, Davis asked Rothschild to come to Montenegro. After arriving in his private Gulfstream jet, Rothschild was trotted out before the cameras with the Montenegrin prime minister, where he pledged $1 million to support students who might be hurt by Serbia’s scholarship threat. Another Deripaska ally brought in to secure the student vote was Canadian billionaire Peter Munk, CEO of Barrick Gold, the world’s largest gold-mining corporation (it was Munk who had hosted the Davos meeting between McCain and Deripaska a few months earlier). Munk, who serves on the advisory board of RusAl, delivered pledges of support from Canadian universities.
At the same time Deripaska’s allies were employed by Davis, Dole was lobbying McCain to promote Montenegro’s independence. Dole’s aides held a teleconference with McCain’s Senate office when Montenegro’s foreign minister visited Washington; shortly thereafter, the referendum passed by a razor-thin 0.5 percent. In April 2006 McCain announced that Montenegro’s independence was the “greatest European democracy project since the end of the cold war.” Despite opposition cries of vote rigging, the United States and other major powers accepted the results–and Putin’s Russia recognized newly independent Montenegro before the EU did.
A few months after the vote, McCain and a contingent of GOP senators visited Montenegro. The day before they arrived, Djukanovic had flown to Putin’s dacha on the Black Sea. “Your government made it possible for large-scale Russian investments,” Putin told the Montenegrin leader. Djukanovic then returned to Montenegro and warmly received McCain, who also met with the Montenegrin president, speaker of Parliament and opposition leader Predrag Bulatovic. Bulatovic told McCain about how Russian capital was taking over the country and of his concern that “this investment can have a negative impact on the democratic process.” McCain listened but kept criticism of Russia to himself. Meanwhile, Davis was still in the country, helping Djukanovic’s Russia-allied party win the upcoming parliamentary elections. (At the time, Djukanovic was under investigation by Italian prosecutors for cigarette smuggling and “Mafia-type activities.”)
Soon after the referendum, the powerful figures behind Montenegro’s independence were carving up the country. That summer Rothschild started discussions with top Montenegrin officials about gaining control of the valuable shoreline, including the half-billion-dollar Porto Montenegro project, which aims to become the world’s top mega-yacht marina, complete with luxury hotels, shopping and the country’s first eighteen-hole golf course. The property was handed to the Munk-Rothschild-fronted offshore consortium for a pittance, according to MANS, the local NGO partner of Transparency International, in yet another backroom deal. Eventually, Deripaska’s role in Porto Montenegro, which was initially secret, was formally acknowledged, although the full list of owners is still a mystery. Deripaska is also developing an 8 billion-euro resort in southern Montenegro and seeking control of a coal mine and a thermal power plant.
Roughly two years later, in March of this year, Rothschild hosted a high-dollar fundraiser for McCain at London’s posh eighteenth-century Spencer House, which Rothschild donated for the occasion. Given the close relationship between Rothschild and Deripaska, some speculated that Deripaska was the hidden hand behind the event. The conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission, alleging that the fundraiser amounted to an illegal contribution by foreign nationals to McCain’s campaign.
Aside from a little campaign dough, what has McCain gotten out of all this? It’s hard to tell–either he was utterly clueless while his top advisers and political allies ran around the former Soviet domain promoting the Kremlin’s interests for cash, or he was aware of it and didn’t care. McCain was reportedly so angry about Davis Manafort’s role in stifling Ukraine’s Orange Revolution that he almost removed Davis as campaign manager. But in the case of Montenegro, he should have known what Davis & Co. were up to. After all, McCain lent a helping hand. And by the time he visited the country, the Russian takeover was plain to see.
The story of how McCain’s closest aides and employees have been undermining his vociferously expressed opposition to Putin and Russia’s oligarchs offers a highly disturbing preview of what a McCain administration might look like. When McCain’s campaign proclaims “country first,” one has to wonder, Which country? The one with the highest bidder?

Did I put to much information in there for you LOSERS to read?

i still want to know why when pa miss piggy did not go to phila, and tell them obama is associated with terrorist–or implying he is one.
picked an area of skinhead and kkk activity.

Karen:
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You know whether your for Obama or McCain it amazes me how much HATE women especially are filled with over 1 governor who was chosen to run as VP… Why can’t they stick to the facts and say yep I don’t agree with this this and this. But no that makes sense and would be the proper thing to do since each side already claims the other spews hate. And I find it funny how everyone claims supporters of McCain spew hatred… Newsflash a lot of Obama supporters need to look in the mirror. Look at the blogs, sure they can try to play the race card, but they loose if someone plays the decent human being card. Lets stick to the facts of the political disagreements whether you support socialism or not. Personally I am not happy about either candidate but the nastiness of the supporters of Obama have forced me to think McCain can bring change (hopefully a few of you will move to Canada or France). You call for change but if you bring hate with change what really have you brought?

Frank Rizzo, the heavy-handed police commissioner of Philadelphia, Pa., of the late 1960′s, said, “I travel with my gun on the front seat of my car when traveling in some parts of the city (Philadelphia).”

Rodney:
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Wow, are all the libs here part of Obama’s truth squads or future members of the voluntary mandatory Obama Youth Corps? So many budding fascists out tonight. My apologies to any non-hating, rational liberals. I’m assuming they must exist somewhere.

Rodney:
must be talking about Ayers the bomber and the Obama connection. No one that we “hang out with” is an extremist. We only search for the truth.

blackjack
want to start with when mccain got into the naval air acadamy with a –d—average.

Talk About Reaching Into The Grave
Obama supporters talk about Todd Palin’s association with a dead man, a man that was disenchanted with the corruption in Washington, D.C. during his lifetime. Joe Vogler supported America’s freedoms under the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
Joe Vogler (1913-1993) was the founder of the Alaskan Independence Party and active in politics, regularly running for public office in Alaska for many years. Vogler was born April 24, 1913, on a farm outside Barnes, Kansas. Joe Vogler attended the University of Kansas on a scholarship in 1929. He graduated with a law degree in five years and was admitted to the Kansas State Bar.
Obama’s Anti-American supporters are alive and kicking. Obama’s supporters point to destroying the American way. Obama points to China and he say China is an example we can follow. I guess Obama wants communism and the controlling of the entire population of America.

and how his instructors felt he was incapable of being a competent pilot.

going for the blog count rodney?

rodney, you might have a point, maybe he will have to update his fight the smears page to show truthfulness…wait didn’t Obama have to do that?

trying to get last blog rod?

I like Joe Biden a lot, he’s going to make a great VP! I’d like to ask Sarah Palin how she can claim to like the pro-America parts of the country when she wants Alaska to succeed? That’s not very pro-American now is it Sarah-bimbo??

Julie,
Please tell me where she said that? I think you have not been doing your fact checking. Please look again and more then blogs from either side.

and refused to be realeased —-was more afraid of what his father would say.as we know admiral mccain was in charge of the pacific fleet–and a terrible discrase and dissapointment to his father.

robthomaseyes there you go again spewing lies with no real proof come on cough up the proof. Bet you think Alaska is west of Hawaii too.

would comment on rodney but he is angry and wouldn’t do any good.

as for voting for the treasones mccain and the half wit palin—–NO WAY NO HOW.

YOUR BS COMMENTS MEAN ABSOLUTELY NOTHING —AS OTHERS WERE THERE–YOU FREAKING IDIOTS.

“Uncle Sam, take your flag and get out.” – Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, to which Todd Palin was an active member for 7 years, and about whom Sarah Palin said she “shares your vision”.

Sarah Palin is someone who sees America, it seems, as being so imperfect, imperfect enough, that shes palling around with secessionists who would target their own country. I am not a woman who sees America as you see America…

Republican for Obama doubt you are a republican because you would go for Nader if you disagreed with the ticket. TODD IS NO LONGER A MEMBER dude… was for 7 years and if you truly understand what the AIP was about it wasn’t about succeeding. There was more to their core beliefs but the succeeding always gets the sensationalized.

Yet more hypocrisy from the Obama campaign. What exactly were they calling the McCain supporters at a rally in Florida? ( FBI determined the allegations the Obama campaign made there were unfounded), “paying taxes is patriotic” Joe needs a cool off from the pile of gaffe’s he’s been making lately.(Alzheimer’s anyone?) May I suggest you go to Katie’s restaurant, have a seat and wait for a server. It may take awhile, I hear they are REAL busy right now, but it’s really worth the wait.

rodney also you need to stop name calling. You were much more convincing when you were typing what you believe to be facts and it was much more fun reading them.

Come listen to the actual recorded words of Joe Vogler, founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, to which Todd Palin was a member for 7 years. When Todd Palin joined that group, Joe Vogler’s views were well known already for over 20 years.
Go to You tube and type in “meet Joe Vogler”. You will hear this man’s hatred for America.

Speaking of Americans, Joe Vogler, A.I.P. founder, said “There is nothing honest about them.” Do I think America is destined for the trash bin? I think so.”

If anyone is interested in FACTS about Sarah Palin and Todd’s ties to the A.I.P. secessionist group, they can go to you tube and type in anything about A.I.P. (Alaskan Independence Party). There is a wealth of info out there which demonstrates that Sarah Palin and her husband share a vision with this radical terrorist group that has threatened to take up arms against the U.S.A.

“My government is my worst enemy. I’m going to fight them with any means at hand.” – Joe Vogler, Founder of the Alaskan Independence Party, of which Todd Palin was a long-time member, and at whose conventions Sarah Palin has made appearances while claiming to “share” their “vision”.

Every time the Wicked Witch of the West opens her mouth she is spewing divisiveness. We want unity. We want OBAMA!
obama/biden ’08

Problem with Palin is she’s talking about specific places being “pro-America”…yet is associated with an Anti-American group.

Every state at one time or another has wanted to secede from the United States. Even counties have tried and some have suceeded at seceding from states. Chicago tried to secede from Illinois in 1925, Dade County from Georgia in 1948, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Idaho and Alaska have all tried to secede from the U.S. This is nothing new. The only people who have ever thought it was a big deal were the Obama supporters who are desperately trying to find dirt on Sarah Palin because from the moment she arrived on the scene, Obama had his lawyers and campaign workers swarming Alaska.
You people should stop wasting your time digging up dirt on Sarah and start doing your research on Obama. He’s one scary guy.

jwench,
Liddy was convicted of a burglary and paid his debt to society. He reformed. It’s the American way to get a new start after paying your debt to society.
Ayers bombed the Pentagon and others killing innocent Americans then 30 years later said he “wished he done more”. Ayers was acquitted (not found innocent) on a a technicality (illegal wiretaps). Ayers said “Guilty as hell, free as a bird. America is a great country.” Ayers continues to be an unrepentant anti-american radical. His wife and Obama’s worked in the same law office. Obama kicked off his career in Ayer’s living room. Obama responded saying he was 8 years old thus avoiding the issue and conceding the argument.
There’s a big difference and it’s sad you don’t have the intellectual honesty to see it. I have no problem with a fundraiser at a reformed burglar’s house who’s paid his debt to society. I and lots of other thoughtful people have a problem with a Senator of only two years earning Most Liberal in that short time after coming from a Community Organizer background who started it all in the living room of an unrepentant anti-american bomber.
Yawn.

How dare someone who belongs to a violent secessionist group like AIP say anything about who is pro-American and who is not. She needs to shut her trap and deal with her TrooperGate scandal and pregnant daughter…

True American:
Got any recent examples. It is un – American to secede. You should be ashamed of yourself. AIP condones violence against America. You obviously haven’t checked them out or you got your nose stuck in Palin’s crack.
Posted by: Lucky Lucy | Oct 17, 2008 11:49:37 PM
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Lucky Lucy–
Vermont-June 2007
New England-October 2007
Hawaii-Sept 2005, Native hawaiians brought a secession request to the state, it was seriously considered.
Frankly, I wish my state would secede, especially since Pelosi and her liberal cronies have taken over the Senate, and even more if Obama gets in.
And frankly Lucy, AIP has nothing over the Weather Underground who bombed the pentagon and killed people. I guess Obama condones this behavior since he’s friends with an unrepentent terrorist who wished he had done more. I guess killing 2 police officers wasn’t enough to satisfy him. Stick that up Obama crack pipe and smoke it!!

The only fatalities were their own members when a bomb blew up early and after that Weather Underground members evacuated all buildings in advance and was very careful to avoid the loss of human life. Their actions were certainly misguided, but they in all fairness directed their violence at property, not people.
Another thing – Ayers said he wish he had done more to stop the Vietnam War – not more bomgings. you are guilty of spreading lies too. But it does not matter, Obama will still win. And you will have to call him President Obama. Start practicing.

Sarah Palin would let her husband run the White House like he did the governor’s mansion in Alaska. There would be an AIP flag in every room. They are not fit to set foot in the White House. Unqualified, uneducated and unAmerican secessionists.

The only fatalities were their own members when a bomb blew up early and after that Weather Underground members evacuated all buildings in advance and was very careful to avoid the loss of human life. Their actions were certainly misguided, but they in all fairness directed their violence at property, not people.
Another thing – Ayers said he wish he had done more to stop the Vietnam War – not more bomgings. you are guilty of spreading lies too. But it does not matter, Obama will still win. And you will have to call him President Obama. Start practicing.
Posted by: Recovering Republican | Oct 18, 2008 12:13:56 AM
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This complete ignorance at it’s best. Recovering—Before the Weather Underground blew themselves up, they killed a police officer on Feb 16, 1970 by planting a bomb at a police station. Killed was Sgt Brian McDonnell and severly injured was Robert Fogarty, partially blinded and severe damage to face and legs. A Supreme Court Justice presiding over the Weather Underground cases home was firebombed with his small children inside. John Murtagh was 9 at the time and has been relating his story since the Ayers/Obama connection broke. Ayers terror group planted 2 bombs by the doors of the home and 1 under the car. The family barely got out alive. They obviously meant to kill the family.
DO NOT DEFEND A MURDERING TERRORIST TO ME!!! I WILL NEVER CONSIDER A MARXIST COMMUNIST MY PRESIDENT!

Hey true american you moron, the “obama” flag was the flag of Ohio!
You are a pathetic excuse of an american! I relish the day after the election when you will look like the little brat whose scoop of ice cream just fell out of its cone.
President Obama! Get used to it!

I can’t believe Sarah Palin called certain parts of the country UnAmerican. Look at the words she used. Pro American, Real Americans, and Best of America. What kind of Right Wing nut is Sarah Palin to be running for VP and insulting the same folks she wants to vote for her. I guess its only Obama supporters or anybody who doesn’t support their robo calls and low road campaign tactics. I think the media is taking this too lightly. Sarah Palin during a fund raiser said that only certain parts of the country are patriotic and real Americans and she’s running to be VP and proberly president. Thats very alarming and I think she needs to explain exactly which part of America does she think is UnAmerican or less patriotic. This is starting to become a narrative. On Chris Mathews today congresswoman Michelle Bockwman said that congress should be integregated on who’s American and anti-American. Now Sarah Palin is stating that only certain parts of America are Pro America. This follows 3 weeks of attacks from the Mccain/Palin campaign that questioned Obama’s patriotism. The republicans and Mccain/Palin campaign should be questioned about their patriotism its the Republican party that has made the economy worst with their deregulation and their Right Wing policies for the rich. Its the Republican Party that has us in 2 wars thats costing us Billions a month. How patriotic is the Republican Pary when the leader of their Party is leaving the country with 2 wars with no resolution, 11 trillion in debt, and a economy in turmoil? Their the ones if anybody who’s patriotism should be in quesion. I think if Mccain/Palin were in the White House the country would be worst with their radical Right Wing beliefs and their decisive nature. KEEP MCCAIN/PALIN OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. WHY HASN’T THE MEDIA ASK MCCAIN ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH GORDON LIDEY? IT TOOK DAVID LETTERMAN A NIGHT SHOW COMEDIAN TO GIVE MCCAIN A REAL INTERVIEW. THE MOST EFFECTIVE INTERVIEW MCCAIN HAS HAD THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN.

Its ok. Trueamerican is just afraid of change. Modernization of our gov’t is here and weak guys who don’t deal well with change are going to slap and pull hair. It doesn’t mean anything – and nobody cares anyway.

Look at this map based on Pollster.com but explained by Mrs. Sarah Palin, B.S., identifying “Pro-America,” “Anti-America,” “Not Against America,” etc. parts; see at the ReasonsToBeCheerful3.blogspot.com blog…

Looks like Rev Ike and Recovering Repub are the ones that don’t have their facts straight. Good job True American.
Listen boys, try to stay on topic. jwench asserted moral equivalency between a fund raiser at Liddy’s house and Obama launching his career at Ayers house. Ayers et al killed innocent americans and the Underground members that were killed by their own bomb were building it to kill officers and their families at Fort Dix.
To paraphrase the WSJ article, the truth is, Ayers still hopes for a revolution that will bring down American capitalism and imperialism. Today, Ayers sows the seeds of resistance and rebellion in America’s future teachers.
Omaba evaded the issue when the minutes from the Annenberg Foundation put Obama and Ayers in meetings chaired by Obama and briefings made by Ayers… The most liberal senator in the senate Obama avoids the issue and spins with he was a “guy in the neighborhood”. I give Obama credit for knowing Ayers was in the neighborhood but then again as a community organizer, he probably had many relationships in the neighborhood; which is the point he evades apparently for good political reason.
There is no moral equivalency. None.
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Everybody forgot to mention that G. Gordon Liddy went to prison and paid his debt. Something Bill Ayres excaped. If it were not for Jimmy Carter’s amnesty these snakes would still be running. Instead, Ayres and Dohrn are teaching and lecturing at the left wing liberal colleges. Ayres was not a founder or member of the Annenberg “Foundation”…he was the founder of the Annenberg “Challenge” which was an educational project proposed to help students in Chicago. It failed to help anyone except to put money in the pockets of Ayres and Obama. Thank God the governor of Nebraska and the President of of the Univ. of Nebraska cancelled Ayres’ speaking engagement there. What was the Dean of Education thinking! She must be another liberal twit.

Posted by: Billw | Oct 18, 2008 12:12:02 AM
The only fatalities were their own members when a bomb blew up early and after that Weather Underground members evacuated all buildings in advance and was very careful to avoid the loss of human life. Their actions were certainly misguided, but they in all fairness directed their violence at property, not people.
Another thing – Ayers said he wish he had done more to stop the Vietnam War – not more bomgings. you are guilty of spreading lies too. But it does not matter, Obama will still win. And you will have to call him President Obama. Start practicing.
Posted by: Recovering Republican | Oct 18, 2008 12:13:56 AM
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Well you sure as ===== don’t know what you’re talking about. They killed two policemen in one incident and a Brinks driver in another incident. Where are you getting your propaganda. Even Ayres admits people were killed..he just won’t admite he did it. He also won’t admit he was in San Francisco when the Weather Underground killed a police office because his wife is suspected of being one of the guilty ones. You people amaze me.

All you ever need to know about Obama’s political aspirations and plan is described in Saul Alinsky’s philosphy and strategy in ‘organizing’, you know the guy who Obama said influenced him more than anyone else…
This nation is primed for Obama’s ‘strategy’. I’m not going to say to be scared. Read it for yourself, if you dare, and draw your own conclusions. You may still disagree and think he’s genuine. Oh well. Dont listen to facts, figures, history, associations, background, philosophies, idealogies… and we’re not talking campaign speak here, let’s talk real world and acceptance that ‘Oz’ is not really who you might think he is.

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lily:
“Billw is a poet”
That was a limerick, not poetry. Sorry but you exhibit fairly typical Obama supporter knowledge.
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i do not really know what to make of this woman(palin).she may have been a mayor or governor but,she is soo not intellegent.She is so disrespectful full of hate.
well , if she does not like to come to the cities because to her they are not “pro america” then she should just stay there and have nothing to do with being america’s VP cos that deals with the city too(anti america)
I just pray that God gives Mccain the frotitude to bear the loss coming his way in November.

The Republican Party is getting a reputation for being racist, unable to engage in healthy debate, and unable to celebrate or appreciate the differences that make this country of ours so great.

Coming from ole Joe who said of Obama..the presidency is not a place for on job training.

DMR: Do you have better to offer this country. Are you planning a career in politics? I don’t know what Obama has to offer but himself nothing else because he knows nothing, will do nothing and will say nothing. I can see what wonders college did for him. He didn’t educate himself in choosing associates. But of course, he was anti-american like Ayers without the bombing. Obama is in the same category as Ayers and Wright and does not, repeat, does not like this country. He has people like you fooled and the rest of this generation of drugging, boozing college student’s that are so dumb they don’t know the difference between what’s best for the country and are not interested. All they know is Obama speaking on the platform from the speeches of JFK and RFK, to dumb to form his own, and they believe he is for change. Change what? The only change he has is in his pocket.

Recovering Republican. You better get your facts straight about Ayers. If you weren’t around when this happened then you don’t know what your talking about. Ayers didn’t care if people were in the buildings he was just a maniac radical who thought that he should over run the president. He bombed a police station in NYC knowing the police were in there. He bombed in San Francisco. All these buildings were not empty. Get educated on this. And he wished he had done more. 5 people got killed because of his anti-american bombings that weren’t necessary. He’s lucky no one has taken a pot shot at him. His speech was cancelled at the Univ. of Nebraska for safety purposes. And Obama is no better, he is anti-american himself and is only making a fool out of people like you. Why don’t you buy a house next door to Ayers and join him. Your what I call anti-american.

20 years ago I thought I came to United States of America. Did I came to “Pro-American parts” of the country…where the hell is that? Got to call my Airlines ASAP…hummmmmm

Palin said nothing about patriotism.
She is describing the blame America first crowd. Making believe you don’t understand that is just partisan crap. The opposite of pro american is NOT
unpatriotic. Others have put those words in her mouth.

“Sarah Palin is an idiot and a disgrace to the female race. Being a woman myself… ”
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Wow. We women are now our own race.
Here’s what I have to say:
The Democrat party is made up of idiots and is a disgrace to women. Being a woman myself I am insulted that Democrats believe I am a victim in need of government help. I am insulted that the Democrats believe my gender alone should define my politics.
When it comes to politics, I am not a woman, not a man, not a Democrat, not a Republican, not poor, not rich. I am an American.

She forgot to add “You ignorant, Bible thumping, white trash, gun-toting, wife-beating and fun-loving degenerates who John tells me that I must sell my soul for in order to win y’alls votes, assumin’ y’all aint in the penetentiary that day or bringin’ in the beans.”
Palin is patronizing, offensive and she is a puppet. I wonder what her reward will be in all of this. It will not be vice president that is for sure. Maybe she is betting that the political meemory will be short and she has her own agenda that has yet to be seen.
She was not a choice made by McCain based on her ability, she was a response and this woman is intelligent enough to know that. She is a tool to be used in an attempt to win over all those who supported Hillary. In doing so McCain has basically said I think the voting public is so ignorant that I can just slide this little tactic by and no one will be the wiser. In light of that how can anyone accuse this generation of being blind to Obama’s “empty promises” when they have McCain and his sideshow in full effect?
Palin’s mind-numbing rhetoric about soccer moms, worrying about bills at the kitchen table … lost its ring of sincerity when I saw the look on her face and her body language when she took her baby into her arms at the end of the vice presidential debate.
It wasn’t maternal or warm it was strategic and obscene. Someone please call Biden to put her in check again.

“Her “pro-America” and “small town” talk is pure pandering to the worst anti-democratic (as in ideals which this country was founded on) areas of this country.” What??
Go McCain/Palin!

Al Qaeda-Linked Web Site Backs McCain for President!
Terror group supporters seek ‘big operation’ against U.S. to ‘push Americans deliberately to vote for McCain’
“This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier,” the message said. “Then, Al Qaeda will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/22/al-qaeda-linked-web-site-backs-mccain-president/
Seems this ringing endorsement is spreading all over the MSM! Apparently, Al-Qaeda is afraid of Obama!

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