Biden Blasts TV Anchor for ‘Ugly’ Questions

If people thought Joe the Plumber was some kind of stumble for Barack Obama, a rediscovered interview from 2001 should dispel any doubts about Barack Obama’s redistributionism. Seven years ago, Obama told Chicago Public Radio that the Warren Court was too conservative and missed its opportunity to redistribute wealth on a much grander scale. In fact, Obama wanted them to break the Constitution and reorder American society far outside of what the founders intended.
“If you look at the victories and failures of the civil rights movement and its litigation strategy in the court. I think where it succeeded was to invest formal rights in previously dispossessed people, so that now I would have the right to vote. I would now be able to sit at the lunch counter and order as long as I could pay for it I’d be o.k. But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society.
To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as its been interpreted and Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can’t do to you. Says what the Federal government can’t do to you, but doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf, and that hasn’t shifted and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that.
I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. You know, the institution just isn’t structured that way.”
One more clarifying thought is in order. Barack Obama complains that the Constitution is a “charter of negative liberties”. That’s because the Constitution was intended as a limiting document, to curtail the power of the federal government vis-a-vis the states and the individual. The founders intended at the time to limit the reach of the federal government, and built the Constitution accordingly.
Barack Obama wants to reverse that entirely. And that’s radical change you’d better believe in, or else.

Wow, and they think Palin’s a diva….. she’s got nothing on Joe.

I saw that interview : It was HORRIBLE. Joe Biden is a a really nice man, anyone else would have DESTROYED that unethical woman on the air!

Good to see things are as usual..silly season at it’s peak. Not only did this broad really ask that question of Joe, but there are people here actually defending her for doing so. Keep it up, just like this…this is how it’s done. Look at the big shiny thing over here while you lose the election.

How many times have CBS, NBC, CNN, and ABC gone after Sarah Palin with stupid questions about what she reads and what constitutional ammendment yaddie yaddie
Posted by: espacher | Oct 27, 2008 12:15:05 PM
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There are millions of us who consider those questions to be very valid. Many of us want people in office who get there information from someplace other than the quotes on their starbucks cup.

Barbara West is a right wing nut job. Her husband is a Repub strategist. See her softball McCain interview last week where she asked… ‘Why are you not attacking Obama enough for his ACORN ties?”
She is hoping to get a job on Fox.. ‘Joe the senator’ was gracious enough to complete the interview!!

Don’t blame my republican side. We’re just throwing anything to the wind and hopefully anything will stick to you Joe Biden. You should just tell her that, that question isn’t worthy of an answer. Is just like asking…Is President Bush a terrorist? He led us to an undeclared war with Iraq.

I watched part of the interview in our local tv station,and it was apparent since the beginning of the interview, that Barbara West wanted to put Senator Biden in the corner. I switched to the other channel because barbara west interview was not interesting, she just wanted to attack. To me she was not professional at all. I don’t blame Joe for that.

2001 OBama: Hey, why didn’t the court become Robin Hood?….got a fancy long name fella, just like our Sarah Palin’s long rhetoric of nothing. To answer your question…because Robin Hood is a fictional character, just like our fictional Sarah Palin. If you believe of all those things about Obama, why aren’t we heard of them? I’ll answer that too. Because those are all lies, and people are tired of that.

Poor Joe, say it ain’t so. For once a reporter asks a valid, not softball question, and you get all hemmed up about it. Is this a sign of things to come? And the left whined and complained about Bush’s cocoon of acess style administration. Gee, double standard? Here’s one thing I do believe, Obama is going to have to explain why he either has to A: increase the deficit, B: go back on all of his promises (thereby disappointing his constituency) or C: raising taxes, because everyone should know, those at 250,000 and above will not generate enough, and he will have to dip down to the lower levels. Remember, Obama thought anyone making 90,000 was rich, hmm? Last point, the 2001 quote about income redistribution as part of a social justice is just downright scary. I have to admit, 2 months ago I didn’t know who I was going to vote for, but now the decision is easy. When you look at punishing people for success, or the desire to step above mediocrity being strangled by an, “I know what’s best” politician is not my America. I would rather make charitable contributions than have the government decide who deserves it. Oh, and Joe, you cheap Delaware senator, what a disgrace that you gave about 3,600 to charities over the last 5 years. How embarrassing. Think about this, how in the world could this guy possibly KEEP all of his promises?

You know what I’ve noticed since the days of Nixon? When Republicans disagree with you, they don’t intelligently debate – they belittle. They’ve been jealous of the Democrats it seems since Kennedy. They’re tremendously jealous of Clinton. It’s really bad form.
It seems this idiotic mentality has stolen the Presidency from McCain three times: 2000, 2004 and 2008.

If those questions were so bad…why didn’t Joe Biden just explain why Obama doesn’t favor socialist views? It should have been easy and if those questions were so outrageous, he should have easily answered them, thereby dismissing them. The fact is, Obama is a socialist…so from what I see on this post, it’s more important to find out who is paying for Sarah Palin’s outfits, then it is to question a potential administration about a drastic and fundamental change in how our country functions? Are you people that blinded?

Anybody with a sixth grade education could read Obama’s own books and his associations with ACORN, Ayers, and his Reverend of twenty years and come to the concusion that Obama is a socialist / Marxist. It’s about time one person in the media asks some tuff questions. Kudos Bravo WFTV

vaeducator…..did Bush keep his promises? Hate is a poisonous snake. Did Cheney, Ramey, Delaney and all others from our party keep theirs? Long speech without any merits, just like a well-trained republican. This one support OBAMA-BIDEN.

vaeducator…..did Bush keep his promises? Hate is a poisonous snake. Did Cheney, Ramey, Delaney and all others from our party keep theirs? Long speech without any merits, just like a well-trained republican. This one support OBAMA-BIDEN.

Biden is a woman, estrogen oozes out of him. Hell his own sister beat the CRAP outta him on a regular basis by Joe’s own admission; just look at his book about his childhood. He’s is a docile wimp, who’s all bark an NO bite. But that didn’t stop Joe from meeting with the finacier of Mohammed Atta, along with Bob Graham, and Porter Goss on the DAY OF 911!!! Nice guy that Joe Biden, HELL he’ll even spend taxpayer dollars funding terrorist hijackers!!! NO WONDER OBAMA PICKED HIM!!! Or the people who picked Obama, picked Biden, to put it more accurately.

vaeducator…..did Bush keep his promises? Hate is a poisonous snake. Did Cheney, Ramey, Delaney and all others from our party keep theirs? Long speech without any merits, just like a well-trained republican. This one support OBAMA-BIDEN.

“Come on, ABC, report about Barbara West’s background”
Don”t worry Obama thug I am sure government computers in liberal offices are busy at work.

Don’t blame my republican side. We’re just throwing anything to the wind and hopefully anything will stick to you Joe Biden. You should just tell her that, that question isn’t worthy of an answer. Is just like asking…Is President Bush a terrorist? He led us to an undeclared war with Iraq.

Don’t blame my republican side. We’re just throwing anything to the wind and hopefully anything will stick to you Joe Biden. You should just tell her that, that question isn’t worthy of an answer. Is just like asking…Is President Bush a terrorist? He led us to an undeclared war with Iraq.

Kitty….but you didn’t. But he will not that bad like our McCain-Sarah Drag Palin team.

Illinois State Senator Barack Obama voted 4 times against laws to protect babies who survive abortions. Meanwhile, U.S. Senators voted 98-0 for Born Alive Infant Protections. Senator Obama says deciding when babies get human rights is ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE. Tell him abortion survivors deserve legal protections too.
Senator Obama has attempted to cover up his abysmal voting record, saying that there were already protections in IL state law for babies born alive after abortions. However, existing laws had loopholes and the IL Attorney General at the time determined the practice of abandoning infants born alive during late-term abortions was NOT COVERED by the law.
Obama had several chances to close that loophole in IL law and give babies the necessary medical care they need to survive after a failed abortion, but he didn’t do it. In fact Obama voted against bills to close the loophole.
What kind of President would Obama be if he refuses to give infants basic human rights?
What kind of President? In terms of abortion—the most radical President in American history. He has already told Planned Parenthood that one of his top priorities in his administration will be signing the Freedom of Choice Act, which will essentially federalize all aspects of the abortion issue. It will ELIMINATE any restrictions at the state level, even those that have survived the scrutiny of the Supreme Court. FOCA will also repeal the Hyde Amendment and restart federal FUNDING for abortions.
Obama likes to speak in soothing tones about abortion, claiming that “no one is pro-abortion” while promising radical change on behalf of the abortion industry — which is what Planned Parenthood represents and to a large extent comprises. His record shows how radical he is. While the Illinois AG told the legislature that the existing law could not be enforced, Obama actively blocked efforts to rewrite it so that abortionists could not simply stuff living infants into closets for them to die from neglect.

Educated Republicans and Educated Independents are all voting for John McCain and Sarah Palin.
Barbara West asked questions that the obama biden find uncomfortable.
Because the issues are real and true.
No thinking American would ever vote for obama biden and the direction their platform would take this country.
I’ve spent time in Socialist Countries, it’s not all it’s cracked up to be.
America is NOT a Socialist Country
even if obama biden want it to be.
Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden have a real problem telling the truth to the American People.
A policy of DENY EVERYTHING is no way to address the American People.
We are smarter than that. We will see right through your lies.

Dear, Khatts, yes I did vote for Biden. I am truly sorry. I was uninformed and just voted based on the brainwashing of my yellow-dog Democratic parents. No more. I became informed. I’m no longer ballot cattle for the Dems. So sorry to have done this to you, Khatts. So, so sorry.

“…Come on, ABC, report Barbara West’s background. She’s the wife of a GOP media strategist…”
They’re pulling out all the stops–it’s crunch time. The Obama/Biden team is strong and will remain strong! The fear that the McCain ticket is trying to instill in people is their last gasp. The choice is so clear, one way or the other, that I can’t imagine anyone STILL being undecided.

You only need to google Karl Marx’s tombstone to find where Zero-bama plagiarized his “change” slogan.
Zero-bama is propagating Karl Marx’s ideals; nothing wrong about it if like to be fed, rather than earning it.

So how many of you Obama bloggers on here have already tried to illegally access this news anchor’s DMV, DPS, and Tax information like you did Joe the Plumber so the massacre party can begin?

calling obama a marxist is not a tough question… its a ludacrous question…
asking someone waht newspapers they read isnt a tough question its just a question… when someone cant answer that, then… im sorry but thats just stupidity…
should we ask sarah palin what its like to speak before the successionist party and call her a terrorist since they want to succeed from america?

I love the smell of Republican fear in the morning. Obama/Biden 2008!!!

01-20-2009 The END of an ERROR…

LANDSLIDE!

Biden’s gaffes and tall tales have been suppressed by the media as a service to Dear Leader. Who is this loser to complain if a few unchoreographed questions seep through the cone of media silence?

Socialism is goverment controlled, this is only the beginning. Slowly and surely goverment will control what questions we can ask and what we can talk about(Talk radio)

AWWWWW Biden can’t answer questions from the newswoman. Poor baby, are you crying? What a child, just like OBAMA, A SPOILED ELITIST BRAT!

D0
oh so its ok to be anti american if you are a member of the GOP but if you sat on a board with someone and you are a democrat that makes you a terrorist
i see how your double standards work, and its really pathetic
thanks

It’s not fear of the republican’s you smell in the morning, it’s the decompistion of this country and leaders like Pelosi, Franks, Obama and the fraud that always happen’s on the democratic wanna be’s off the hard work of most people. There are some of us still here that are legal citizens and will work to ELECT McCain-Palin because they take & answer the question’s and POOR Biden & Obama and the LIBERAL MEDIA only ask the questions they approve of so it doesn’t tax their little brains. WHY DO THEY not want our MILITARY MEN & WOMEN”S vote not to count

Freedom.
One day probablly ten or fifteen years down the road,we will wake up and realize we voted a socialist into power in the USA and that at one time was the most envied country in the world for our Freedom

She didn’t ask any tough questions. She only asked questions that were based on spin from ignorance. A tough question would be one where she actually did her job in researching the issue and asking detailed questions on the effects of Obama’s tax plan.
Just asking if you are a communist is not being tough, only ignorant.
Palin’s questions were not tough either. But they weren’t based on spin from ignorance either. They were just simple policy questions or history questions which she failed.

I saw this interview and the interviewer was some kind of neocon right wing NUTcase! She was absolutley bazarre and insinuated that Biden was a socialist/communist. Biden had to ask her if she was kidding – she said with stone cold face she was not kidding. We have to get rid of outrageous far right wingnuts from the airwaves. They are pushing their facist agenda down ignorant peoples throats and they need to go! I was outraged at her ignorance and blatant facist agenda!

I hope people posting have seen the video interview. The questions were so crudely fallacious that they did indeed appear to be joke questions. She might as well have asked “how do you hide Sen. Obama’s horns and his tail when he is in public?” It was a mockery of journalism.

When McCain wins you will see the biggest market rally in history on Nov 5.

YOU KNOW WHY BIDEN DIDN’T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS, BECAUSE SHE WAS EXPOSING WHAT THEY WERE DOING, SOCIALISM, MARXIISM. THEY ARE “NOT” FOOLING THE PEOPLE, LIKE THEY “THINK” THEY ARE AND THEREFORE THEY CANNOT GIVE AN ANSWER WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN EASILY ANSWERED!

THE QUESTION THAT WASN’T ASKED:
Sen. McCain, are you today willing to come out against all forms of ‘redistributing the wealth’, including:
A) the progressive tax code
B) Social Security
C) Medicare
D) unemployment insurance
E) all local property taxes
F) all local sales taxes
FOLLOW UP QUESTION:
Are you, John McCain, a socialist?

I hope all of you proud Obama -Biden supporters not to be the first chikens running from this mess when thing here begig to get ugly. My only wish is that Obama and his wife’s only change to the white house will be the colors on the walls. Don’t judge, you know they have relly good taste.

Why blast Biden for his comment toward the interviewer? Palin got a pass for saying she wasn’t going to answer questions. Anyway, the interviewer sounds very ignorant.

Wow, don’t ask any questions that are “ugly” when Obama is president…
The questions were pertinent, particulary in view of Obama’s lamenting of the courts inability to apply “redistributive change” due to Constitutional constraints…
I would have followed up his ACORN lie with the $800,000 or so given to a sub-company…his answer was blatanly false.
How many times does Biden have to lie over 30+ years for people to realize that he is a B– artist of an unparalleled level?

“The interviewer must have gotten her Republican conspiracy talking points from her husband, Wade West, Political Media Consultant for the GOP.”
Ha! And people say the media is biased!

As all of the house “conservatives” like Wlll and Brooks who work for the liberal media step forward to demonstrate how sophisticated they are, the left wingnuts have found new role models.How very amusing

At least Biden KNEW who Marx was, and knew where the interviewer was going with the question; one has to wonder if Palin would’ve been as aware as Biden was in responding.
She would’ve said, “Gosh, I can see Marx’s home from Alaska!”

Palin would have said…”I’ve shopped at T.J. Marx!”

Tax&Spend Dems vs. Charge Card Repubs.
What a joke. Republicans are all hot and sweaty about a 2001 interview where Obama discusses the shortcomings of the Supreme Court and the income disparities of blacks post-segregation. I guess you never heard of the EEOC? I haven’t heard McCain come out against that govt. agency.
And Obama supporters whine mercilessly about McCain’s policies regarding health care when it is clear that McCain’s health plan will not only increase spending, but will lower taxes to boot! Classic Charge Card Republicanism. Just borrow the difference from the Chinese govt.
A pox on both of your houses. Neither party is fit to lead. You are both responsible for this current financial crisis just like you both had your hands in the cookie jar during the Savings and Loan crisis. Seems to me there was a famous senator who got caught up in that financial scandal (the cost of which went directly to the public debt), but the name escapes me at the moment.
Vote third party. A vote for either major party is a wasted vote for the future.

Not to worry Sen Biden.If you and your running mate can be dragged across the finish line, there will be no further questions at all and those who ask them like Ms West will be severely punished

Do the fruits of your labor belong to you, or do they belong to the people who most need them?
And if they belong to the people who most need them, are you a slave to the needs of people you don’t know and can’t control?
Collectivism is not the opposite of capitalism. It’s the opposite of freedom.

I’m tuning in FOX News on election night just to watch them squirm.

” How many times have CBS, NBC, CNN, and ABC gone after Sarah Palin with stupid questions about what she reads and what constitutional ammendment yaddie yaddie and now this from Obama’s Camp AGAIN”
You actually think that asking a potential president how they stand on constitutional matters is a ‘stupid question’?
Sigh…
You’re not registered to vote, are you?

“Liberal” literally means open to new ideas.
You fascist robots can’t seem to come up with anything original Karl Marx??? You guys are digging at the absolute bottom of the bag.
Smells like desperation to me. Losers

Jon
Ranting about “right wingers” suggests that you are far more of a University of Chicago unabomber type that a “proud” ex Marine, Republican and Reaganite.

Bhrandon,
In case you are really confused,
“so what bush did with the bailout isnt socialism” Of course, it is. It is completely getting there, socializing the economy, bit by bit – Zero-bama voted for it.
“thats your president you elected”
You blind supporters just do not understand. Bush was never elected, who has committed war crimes and crimes against the constitution. What the hell did Zero-bama do to defend the very constitution that he swore to defend? Nothing. Zero. Zero is his character.

Barbara West with ABC is history!
Why don’t McCain Republicans do what a great king in the middle ages did– Go around pick up the poor the sick and the lame, and all the beggars. Put them on a barge and towed it out to sea.
Then have McCain’s Republican conservative supporters sink the barge!
Walla! All your Problems solved.
No more welfare and socialism.
Or you can certainly do it like Adolph did not so long ago- only he was more modern and he used cyanide gas. But you can get rid of all democrats and the poor the sick and the lame, and all the beggars
So get your Republican SS conservative McCain/Palin followers and let then do it.
Again, No more welfare and socialism.
Trouble is it doesn’t work as history has shown.
Just like Christ said 2000 years ago — the poor will always be here! And they shall inherit the earth .
I think he was hell of a lot smarter than McCain, Barbara West and you republicans!!

Barbara West’s husband is GOP media consultant Wade West. Clearly, this shows a bias. Barbara West has no credibility. She could easily have been fed questions by her GOP media consultant husband. No credibility.

Rather than ask Biden about Marx she should have asked the foreign policy expert for more detail on when it was exactly that the US and France kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon.Now that would really be an ugly question

Bhrandon,
“not sure why you call him zero”
There are still 8 days for you to learn.
0bama has done nothing, is doing nothing, and will do nothing. He has no record of accomplishing anything, no record of original ideas (except plagiarism), no record of legislation. He contributed exact zero articles, opinions, editorials, being the President of Harvard Law Review.
Zero is 0bama’s character. That “0″ is a Zero.

How is returning tax levels to the Clinton years socialism?
GOPs are getting into hysterics. The desperation is palpable.

BARBARA WEST’S HUSBAND WADE WEST IS A MEDIA CONSULTANT FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.

For future reference, Joe, here’s a better answer: Progressive taxes, in which the wealthy are expected to pay greater percentages of their wealth in taxes than less fortunate people is not now nor has it ever been a socialist or communist concept. It has worked very well for this country from the 1930′s until now,with very little problem. John McCain has supported it as a basic concept of fairness for his entire term in congress. The time has come now for some real tax breaks and health care breaks for the middle class, and time has come for the very wealthy to have their “temporary” tax cuts revert back to what they were during the prosperous Clintonian economic years. The stimulous in the middle class will create even more wealth for the already wealthy,and will more than make up for the return to the correct tax amount for their income brackets.

“Anybody with a sixth grade education could read Obama’s own books and his associations with ACORN, Ayers, and his Reverend of twenty years and come to the concusion that Obama is a socialist / Marxist.”
Only if you were taught Marxism at 6th Grade and if you were, you were in a country in which it would be obvious that Marxism doesn’t work. Those who have more than a sixth grade education should be educated enough to know from reading Obama’s books that he is not calling for Marxism in the least. In fact, this whole ‘Marxist’ strategy appears to be aimed at people of voting age ‘with’ only a sixth grade education. Those who will throw words like ‘Marxism’ or ‘Socialism’ out there as if they knew what they actually meant. The fact that so many people actually believe it is proof enough for me that the demographic this strategy is aimed at is uneduated Republicans. Educated republicans tend to understand that Obama in no way or in any form wishes to impose strict controls over speech and movement or to limit the freedoms of people through the constitution. It is worth remembering as you tout the ‘Socialist’ monicker in your conversations that the concept of ‘We the people ..’ can also be considered the fundamental principle of socialism.
The argument to my waffling here? Insult me for being an uneducated or educated liberal, whichever. Biden did not wish to go into this ridiculous debate for that very reason. So for all those who have succumbed to this inane propaganda – please read Kapital and the Communist Manifesto before blindly believing Obama is a Marxist. Kapital is a rather long tome and ought to take more than the 8 days until the election to finsish. We will thus be free of at least one person spewing these assinine comments.

Have the Republicans/wealthy really trained us to be such fools? A politican talks about raising the marginal tax rate on the wealthiest amoung us a few percent and they are called “marxists”??? Another favorite of this crowd is “class warefare”. ALL studies show that the rich are getting richer and the middle class and poor are falling further and further behind for 20 years. Under the radar “class warefare” was declared on the middle class and poor a long time ago. Guess what? The rich have won!! The right has amazingly managed to get “lunch bucket” white men to support the rich. They use “gun laws”, “gay marriage”, “race baiting” etc and rediculously simplistic 8th grade level “free market economics”, taught by the likes of Rush Limbaugh, for gods sake, to get these poor fools to vote for the interests of the wealthy. What a joke!

It’s interesting to see everyone bash redistribution via taxation. Just recently, there was a massive redistribution of wealth – from taxpayers to banks – that somehow does not qualify as “socialist” (although the purpose was to protect society). And no one seems to mind redistribution from future generations to the present generation to finance deficit spending (big wars are big-time expensive). But somehow, the second someone mentions raising taxes on 1% of the population (whose tax rate, by the way, is at an historic all-time low) to provide support to the other 99% of CONSUMERS is somehow socialist. COME ON!

Sarah Palin has a government program in Alaska that taxes the oil companies and then she ‘spreads that wealth’ to every single Alaskan equally regardless of the fact that they did nothing to earn that money.
And yet, no one calls Palin out on the Socialist principals of this program and she actully touts this program as one of the reasons that we should vote for her. Then the republicans cry and cry about Gothca journalism and getting clobbered by the liberal media elite. What the heck?

Those who don’t know history are doomed to repeat it. Unfortunately the rest of us are along for the ride!
Not knowing what communism, socialism, etc. are ought to disqualify Biden and Obama from public office.
BEING a socialist ought to disqualify McCain.

It is funny how the Republicans say the Media is to soft on the Democrats, well Palin only interview with softies on the Fox side and any other media she had to have grumpa there to protect her or would that be jump in if she needed a bail out. New story out about that gas line in Alaska, and how the company that won the bid was conducted. Ask Sarah all the tie that bind her to this comapny that won the rigged bid.

LOL “Educated Republicans and Educated Independents are all voting for John McCain and Sarah Palin.”
That’s a laugh. This Republican is voting – PROUDLY – for the black guy. McCain and this hussy from Alaska can go jump off of a cliff.

so what are we saying here .do I actually hear the “New Republican” middle and lower class folks seriously wanting to let the rich keep paying no taxes while they foot the whole thing? Wow,you Americans are so giving, no wonder every two bit crook wants to live in your country.

It seems the United States is drifting as it has lost its moral moorings. Our democracy did not develope in a vacuum. I urge Americans to come back to Judeo-Christian standards before this Titanic is lost. Take care of the poor AND the unborn. Dont’ forget the Lord your God.

All you republicans. Do you remember Bill Cosby’s show about his kids in real life?
Only a handful of them in the house and something got broke. He asked: “WHO DID IT”, and all 5 answer: “I don’t know”.
Now ask the republicans that drove our country in the ground over a short period of 8 years:
“How could this have happened”
Answer: “WE DON”T KNOW”
Clueless idiots, all of them, with GWB being the biggest of them and McDumb right after him

Also, as noted here before the anchor in question is the wife of a right-wing strategist,probably joined at the hip to the McCain campaign? Big surprise,huh?

NO B.O. 2008
NOBAMA 2008
Suck It Up Joe…you cry***

Finally some one in the media asked a real question. Biden couldn’t take it like a man.

How many times have CBS, NBC, CNN, and ABC gone after Sarah Palin with stupid questions about what she reads and what constitutional ammendment yaddie yaddie
NONE EXACTLY NONE. Go after her, indeed- HELLO!! HELLO!! SHE WON’T DO A PRESS CONFERENCE!!! HELLOOOO!!!
As for the skanky local reporter, she got exactly what she deserved. You McCain/Palin kool-aid drinkers are amazing. TWO WEEKS AGO IT WAS “GOTCHA” JOURNALISM that was the big bad thing.
Now you think it’s the only think that’ll get your guys elected.
Pitiful. No wonder Obama is so far ahead.

It seems pretty simple to me that the taxation that most middle class folks are struggling under is to pay for the huge deficits and the interest on those deficits that have been caused by primarily Republican actions over the last 8 years.
Talk about “redistribution of wealth”, (what little of it we have left these days), this doctrine takes most people’s money to pay for inept economic and political concepts.
This all goes back to the therory of trickle down economics which is now shown to be both an unjust, unfair and fallible process that bankrupts our country and the majority of it’s citizens. In reality it provides wealth to only those 5% at the top who continue to amass billions and retain 90% of the wealth.
Also, the concept of sharing wealth is inherently a “Christian” concept, not a “Marxist” concept. Why are all of you middle class republicans acting like you’re one of the 5% and why would you want to defend a concept that takes from your families?
McCain’s old tired proposals will hurt you middle class republicans just as much as they will hurt us Democrats. Isn’t it evident with all that’s going on that the system is broken and that system is predicated on basic Regonomics. We now know these concepts don’t work. Even Greenspan admits as much because the “sharing the wealth” via the trickle down..didn’t trickle down.
Nothing changes: the rich get richer and the rest of us just keep on dieing.
Personally, me, my family and most folls that I know could use a little help these days, so I’m voting for the guy who only owns 1 house and 1 car. He seems more attuned to me and mine than “that other one”.

Bhrandon,
Being a self-claimed “constitutional scholar”, Zero has written exactly zero articles, opinions, research papers on the Constitution.
I’d be thrilled if you can show us less-educated people a single article to give us glimpse of his constitutional opinions.

Fire departments used to be private companies. Then we went and set up tax-supported fire departments. Socialism! Communism! Anti-Americanism! Terrorists! Damn those firefighters, undermining our way of life!

the dumbing down of america.
sure make taxes a communist plot. see where that will get americans. so helping katrina victims was a communist plot cause it redistributed tax monies. new york state would love to get back every federal tax dollar ny state gives to america………. no the feds have to redistribute the monies…..
LOL.

This Marxism question is legit if you agree that its ok to ask:
Sarah Palin, are you stupid or something?

Bhrandon… I think you need to get some facts straight. You are correct in that a Republican President did propose the bailout. However it was not ONLY a Republican bill. If you actually go look at the voting records for the bail out bill, the MAJORITY of yes votes came from Democrats. BOTH parties failed on this and did not listen to their constituents. This move towards socialism with the approval of the bail out bill is the result of BOTH Democrats and Republicans.
So before you try and blame one political party or the other for things, make sure you have your facts right.

Poor neo cons are so desperate they are trying any and everything to pull out a shocker. I understand. had I been the beneficiary of 400 years of white supremacy, i would try every trick in the book to hold on to power too. We truly understand the pain you people are feeling but sorry to tell you your dirty tricks won’t work this time.

wow…
Lots of these comments make West look normal. And THAT is frankly shocking.
Someone please outline – in detail – why SarahP would actually be good in office? ANY office? I’m anxiously awaiting an actual fact-based answer to this question. Oh it’s a real nail biter…
In the meantime, please pass the popcorn.

This article left out a few details. The Obama campaign has banned the Florida channel from further interviews. Just a preview of what is to come under the Obama reign. Also makes me wonder why the MSM is really not telling the whole story.

Hey 2001, do you have any thoughts of your own or do you just communicate by regurgitating (or cutting and pasting) articles from the National Review.
I didn’t see you posting anything about how Barbara West’s hubby is a GOP Media Consultant. No conflict of interest there, right?

So what if this Nazi android attacked? Joe Biden handled the ambush just fine. I wouldn’t have given it another thought, except that the right-wing smear squad is out in force making a big point of it. They are so desparate to find anything else that they think might keep them afloat.
We’ve all seen what you right-wingers would do to and for this country in the last 8 years! Giving the rich people and business-owners the big tax breaks really produced a great job market didn’t it? Boy we sure eant more of the same! Hasn’t that war been good for the economy? How about another one?

We Americans find ourselves in a very interesting time. Capitalism has evolved tremendously over the last 60 years and from a Marxist viewpoint, probably surprisingly so. The Middle class has certainly continued to grow and this development rather than a huge growth in the poor has probably been its saving grace. While there is certainly massive disproportionate distribution of wealth, the growth of a well off middle class has for the most part balanced any potential uprising from the “proletariat” as Socialism would suggest.
As America moves through the early part of the 21st century we face some interesting, though not unpredictable economic struggles. There is a new brand of Democratic Socialism at play in the US and the stigmas around socialism that were created by the failed soviet experiments and her offshoots should not limit American minds to the possibility that there is an egalitarian society which could be created that rewards businesses through a capitalist framework. Keep in mind that capitalism depends on consumers, and those consumers can reward businesses for “doing what is right for society”. We all individually play a much greater role in the outcome of our rather young nation than we may care to admit or accept, but in the end the responsibility is on us.

The sheeple continue to run after their messiah……he can do no wrong. Let them take us to the USSA…the United Socialist States of America…..we have been headed there for years. To the great American Republic……RIP.

Joe Biden’s responses to the TV reporter were brilliant as he kept his poise, composure, smiled, questioned the question and gave an intelligent answer. The TV person seemed unaware about what she was asking as though someone put a script in her hand, then left her to fend on her own. Discourse in American at times dips to a low point and this was one of those times.

“YOU KNOW WHY BIDEN DIDN’T ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS”
He did answer the questions. What I’m wondering is why you think that he didn’t.

khatts98178 said “2001 OBama: Hey, why didn’t the court become Robin Hood?….got a fancy long name fella, just like our Sarah Palin’s long rhetoric of nothing. To answer your question…because Robin Hood is a fictional character, just like our fictional Sarah Palin. If you believe of all those things about Obama, why aren’t we heard of them? I’ll answer that too. Because those are all lies, and people are tired of that.”
I guess someone was impersonating Obama when the quotes mentioned were actually recorded on tape in 2001. Perhaps the reason you haven’t heard of them before now is that the media has not been digging into Obama’s background like it should be doing. His political history is short enough that they should be able to read or listen to everything in a couple of days.

If you make less than $250,000 a year you should support Obama.
Since when did the middle class working folk decide to make their boss richer?

The fact that this woman asked questions that were actually flimsy attack statements isn’t too disturbing. What I do find scary is the fact that so many commenters here think they were valid questions! I know most are just hillbillies and bible-thumpers with little to no genuine education, but come on. Such childish questions should not be considered journalism by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe on “News for Retards”, but not on WFTV. By the way all you people who ought into this charade, this woman is married to a GOP campaign worker. That should make it clearer to the mentally challenged folks who embrace this ridiculous hubris. I’m glad these folks will be marginalized once we liberals regain control of our country. This is the greatest election in my lifetime. Obama by a landslide. Bye bye conservatives.

akcoyote wrote:
“This WAS and IS socialism.”
Ergo, McCain is also a socialist.
Obama voted for the bill too.
Ergo, Obama too is a socialist!
Any republican or democrat who voted for the bailout bill did so in violation of the US Constitution. I am a staunch conservative and I say that Mccain was wrong. Will you on the left say the same of Obama?

Very thoughtful response L. Much appreciated. That is probably the debate we should be having and may indeed end up having in the 21st century. This is the kind of response we need to be addressing without recourse to insults and allegations. I’d vote for a candidate that put forward the points as you did. Vote L ’08.

I’m sure I could find some choice material from Mein Kampf that would fit Bush or McCain but without any context it’s just as irrelevant. Just as irrelevant as playing the Marxist card to the younger generations.

Puzzled, because McCain is trying to help the Rich, all his buddies. Who is going to profit if all us tax payers buy up all these mortgages, it will be big Corporations. We the Tax payers will take the hit, but the guys that caused this in the first place will be rewarded, maybe they will take a big 500,000.00 vacation again.

Are you kidding? Many of you are demonizing Barbara West, when the same people made Charlie Gibson a hero because of his interview with Palin! She asked Biden a VALID question – one that I would LOVE, LOVE, LOVE to get the answer for. She didn’t perch her glasses at the tip of her nose and condescend to the Vice Presidential candidate. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Joe Biden showed his true colors by deflecting Barbara West by ridiculing her line of questioning.

I don’t understand it. Do the rich people have a medical problem or something that if they can’t take whoppingly expensive vacations or buy Hermes or Vuiton or drive expensive foreign luxury automobiles, that they might die or something?

Joe wrote:
“Can any explain to Senator Biden that redistribution of wealth means giving people extra money, and taking that money from someone else.”
Have you see the deficit target for this year? Are you completely detached from reality?
This country is on track to BORROW $1.5 trillion to cover:
1) the $700 billion bailout,
2) $25 billion bailout to the US auto companies,
3) the TAKEOVER of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac,
4) the ~$400 billion budget shortfall we had *before* the financial markets melted down, and
5) the off-budget cost of the War in Iraq.
And now Obama and McCain are both on the “tax cut” bandwagon.
Tell me, Mr. “Joe” Economist: In your household, how long can you spend more money than you bring in – AND then *cut* your income at the same time?
Please, let me know how that magic is performed. And don’t try to pull any “macroeconomic principles” arguments without specificity because I’ve taken economics coursework through econometrics. I’m quite familiar with how the economy grows tax base, but not to the tune of nearly 33% annual GDP.
Also, credit is only given when you can show your work.

After reading many of the obviously biased anti-Biden comments, I can only ask: does anyone see countries such as Sweden as Marxist? How about France, Germany, Norway, etc. People who live in these countries live without the worry of catastrophic medical bills destroying their lives, or worrying about whether they can afford college for their children. Only the obscenely rich in the United States, with their multiple (think McCain) mansions, oversized yachts and G-8s can afford the same here. The middle class and workers are providing welfare for the billionaires here — and the uneducated McCain supporters will vote against their own interests — unless they too are billionaires. Modified socialism as practiced in many advanced societies is not Marxism. And Obama is not even a socialist — if anything he is a conservative moderate.

I find it very very telling that the only major American politician running for office to ever be accused of being “Karl Marx” like is the Black man when there are actually candidates such as the one running for the Green Party (Ralph Nadar)who is far left of Obama yet never called anything.
Biden was too easy on the BI*t*. It was so obvious that she was not a REPORTER using her own work. LET’S INVESTIGATE HER AS REPUGS WANT EVERYONE ELSE INVESTIGATED.

Is the Obama camp going to investigate Barbara West like they did Joe the Plumber? Double standards.

A tax was cut, and then cut, and the nation’s economy tanked. Unemployement rose to the highest level in 6 years.
People stopped buying because they had no money to spend. Circuit City and other shops had to close up some of their shops. Car makers had to close shop because people had less money to buy cars (oh, except for the rich folks who buy expensive foreign cars).
So this tax scheme didn’t seem to work. Somebody says let’s cut taxes for the buyers of goods and, to counteract the national deficit, let’s bring the wealthy people’s taxes back to the same level they were before they were. And all the rich folks cry, “Oh my god, they are RAISING MY TAXES. SOCIALISM, REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH. I NEED MY YATCH AND FOR MY KIDS TO DRIVE LUXURY CARS AND TAKE EXPENSIVE TRIPS ALL OVER THE WORLD AND MY MANSIONS, ALL EIGHT OF THEM, TO HAVE THEIR FULL CADRE OF SERVANTS.”
What do you think Americans are going to feel sorry for you tycoons? Where are the jobs when your taxes were cut?

Obama wrote or sponsored over 1100 bills in the Senate. Obama has been a professor, organizer, state senator for 8 years.
Posted by: Carol | Oct 27, 2008 2:18:19 PM
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Carol,
It’s not nice to just make things up.
If you can list one single piece of legislation in the Senate that is written by Zero, not just the type of claims that Zero-bama made that he co-authored a banking bill with Dodd and only to be corrected by Dodd that Zero contributed exactly Zero words except his names.
Of the 100 Senators, there is exactly 1 who has written exactly zero legislation.
Zero is the One.

akcoyote wrote:
“Any republican or democrat who voted for the bailout bill did so in violation of the US Constitution. I am a staunch conservative and I say that Mccain was wrong. Will you on the left say the same of Obama?”
Yes. If your measuring stick is that any government intervention in private markets is socialism.
1) The FDA is a socialist agency.
2) The SEC is a socialist Commission.
3) The FCC is a socialist Commission.
4)….
You can see where I am going here, right? Despite what you and I *may* want, there are – and have never been – *true* free markets. There are theoretical free markets; these are equivalent to the massless string and frictionless pulley in physics class. They are ideal models that we strive toward, but the practical outcome is hardly the ideal.
I accept that there are no *true* free markets. But that doesn’t mean I want the government in everything that I do or buy. Unfortunately, Democrats like to insert the government into my financial affairs and the Republicans like to wedge themselves into my personal affairs.
Neither of them deserve my respect nor my support. They are both interested in only one thing – the power to promote themselves at the expense of the taxpayers.
Neither party is immune to the power grab.

hmm…
I think that the question was legitimate. “From each by capabilities, to each by needs” is what defines communism as a law of economics. And it has as much to do with Marx as Newton’s laws of physics has to do with Newton. While the name is inseparable, the law in an of itself is an objective and would of existed and worked, even if was not discovered.
Mind that our banks and investment funds already live according to the above mentioned principle, it would seem logical to have Mr. Obama team in place to work on extending this approach to our citizens.
Except I strongly doubt anyone considers including authentic hunt in the hills of Old England in the package. May be the closest White House appointees. I have seen up and close how this system works, and it tends to be self – centered, no matter, how clever the person at the helm and how hard he or she tries to work against the flow.

America is about freedom. This gives you the right to be a slug if you want or to work hard and smart and succeed like for example obama. And he wants to take that opportunity away from you…don’t you get it. Why should people that do everything right have to support those that CHOOSE to do everything wrong.

mike wrote:
“His name isn’t Barrack Hussein Obama for nothing.”
Really? His middle name is Hussein?
What do you think that means?

I am really disapointed in ABC News with this election season as our family has watched ABC for over 30 years. Not anymore. Your reporting has lost its credibilty. You can tell the big Mucky Mucks running ABC are in the tank for Obama. (and I haven’t even made up my mind who I am going to vote for.) Our family started watching Fox and was amazed at the news we were getting that is NOT being reported on any of the other networks. I am a independent and feel Fox does a better job of presenting both sides of the issues. I do agree they are more “Fair & Balanced”. I am really dissapointed in Charle Gibson, Robin Roberts and especially George Stephanopoulos. I won’t be watching ABC anymore as I can’t trust the reporting. Their personal opinions I feel have gotten in the way of their reporting. Just give us the true facts with no spin. We’re smart enough to make up our own minds.

Do Republicans who call Obama a socialist even understand the purpose of government? Do Republicans so interested in linking Obama with terrorism even know what constitutes terrorism? If you have a neighbor who was a thief and you played golf with him regularly are you now a thief as well?
This is divisive politics. Its goal is to taint, demean and ridicule a Presidential candidate because dirty politics is the only thing they really have to offer. Scare the public and encourage them to vote their fears instead of their hopes and aspirations. Make Obama guilty by association, create fear by extrapolation and encourage hate and anger. I hope we never forget the party that embraces these tactics and what that control in Washington has meant for this country over the last 8 years. Let’s make sure their extremism is never provided a majority voice in Washington again.

Some of the comments here are amazing. One poster put it best – how dumb would it be of a reporter to ask whether George Bush is a terrorist. Despite him running our country into the ground, I dont think him a terrorist or even anti-American.
Lets use our God-given brains… We have been administering taxes for centuries. Therefore, we are constantly re-distributing wealth. We have always employed a partially socialist philosophy. We are not a capitalist nation. Furthermore, you should all get together and decide which it is. Is Obama a socialist or a communist. Go back to 7th grade and you will learn that there is a difference between the two.

LJKnoedler wrote:
“You can tell the big Mucky Mucks running ABC are in the tank for Obama.”
Yeah! Tell them LJKnoedler won’t be watching their stuff any more.
That’ll teach ‘em.

For your considered review…
I know that most of you are sick and tired of all this political BS but if you read just one more thing between now and next month’s election, I urge you to read the following editorial.
I don’t know who “Michael Masters” is or what he does, but he does write cogently and well. A Google search turns up a Michael Masters who is a lawyer in Philadelphia , but I don’t believe that he is the author of this open letter. There is a “Michael C. Masters” who lives in McLean , VA – I presume, but do not know, for sure, that he is the author. However, he didn’t show up in any Google searches that I conducted, so I guess he isn’t “notorious” enough to be found. I look at that as a good thing, however. On the surface, that suggests he is just another citizen like the rest of us and has no particular ax to grind. However, he HAS done his homework before writing this editorial.
To Barack Hussein Obama,
The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved you had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.
The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than what you previously admitted. In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.
Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about “race” contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America . While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14.
In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without “preparations” at lower levels … Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin … while the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered “I would” to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without “any” preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain.
On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgement about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14.
You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately … not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim. While your judgement about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position.
You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar … and it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth.
In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have talked with a “Captain” of a platoon in Afghanistan “the other day” when in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanistan . You lied in that debate.
In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a “professor of Constitutional law” when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that you “taught a law class” and never mentioned being a “professor of Constitutional law.” You lied last spring.
You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth.
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn … and he was right …. corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth.
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden. You lied to America .
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts.
You did not take an active role in the rescue plan. You claimed that the Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn … who all helped cause the financial problems of today … and they all made major contributions to your campaign. While your relationship with these executives and your protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful.
You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn. Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator … and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America .
During your campaign, you said: “typical white person.” “They cling to their guns and religion.” “They will say that I am black.” You played the race card. You tried to label any criticism about you as racist. You divide America .
You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America , but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax reductions. You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several million for Acorn. Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq ) can pay for it. While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America .
The drain to America ‘s economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP). You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities. Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear. You are lying to America .
Mr. Obama, you claimed that you “changed” your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004. The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008 spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org). You are lying to America .
Mr. Obama, you have done nothing to stop the actions of the teachers union and college professors in the USA . They eliminated religion from our history. They teach pro gay agendas and discuss sex with students as young as first grade. They bring their personal politics into the classrooms. They disparage conservatives. They brainwash our children. They are in it for themselves ….. not America . Are you reluctant to condemn their actions because teachers/professors and the NEA contribute 25% of all money donated to Democrats and none to Republicans? You are deceiving America .
Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else.
Your character looks horrible. While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric. You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.
1. You lied to America . You lied many times. You distorted facts. You parsed your answers like a lawyer.
2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements.
3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations.
4. You divide America about race and about class.
Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with “Country first.” Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for 22 years. 26 years in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago.
Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not justify the means. You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty, distortion of truth are never tolerated. Yet, your dishonesty is overwhelming. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter Libby. You should be ashamed.
Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest character. It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for honesty.
Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political issues more important than character. Would these same people vote for the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches? Would they make a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain? Would they hire someone for a job if that someone lied in an interview? Of course not. So why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they know you are dishonest? Why do they excuse your dishonesty? Because some of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their financial security …. and you are preying on their fears with empty promises … and because some (especially our young people) are consumed by your wonderful style and promises for “change” like the Germans who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932. The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept them from recognizing Hitler for who he was. They loved his style. Greed and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you … your style has camouflaged your dishonesty …. but many of us see you for who you really are … and we will not stop exposing who you are every day, forever if it is necessary.
Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty.
Mr. Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future.
Mr. Obama, you are not the “change” that America deserves. We cannot trust you.
Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief.
Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to refute all of your false statements. And for whatever reasons, the mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race baiting, lack of operational leadership experience, and generally dishonest character. The media is diverting our attention from your relationships and ignoring the fact that you lied about those relationships. The fact that you lied is much more important than the relationships themselves …. just like with Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon … Monica Lewinski and Watergate were not nearly as bad as the fact that those men lied about the events … false witness … perjury … your relationships and bad judgements are bad on their own …. but your lies are even worse.
Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to send it to everyone else in America before it is too late. We need to do the job that the media will not do. We need to expose your dishonesty so that every person in America understands who you really are before election day.
Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America if we deserve you.
Michael Master
McLean, Virginia

I think his response was appropriate. Is Obama a Marxist because he “wants to spread the wealth around”? So stupid I can see why he asked if this was a joke. What, because McCain/Palin are trying to paint Obama as a socialist for wanting to take back the tax breaks given to the very wealthy under George Bush and make it more like it was under Clinton? Our tax system IS a “redistribution of wealth”, duh. If you make more, you are in a higher tax bracket and you pay more. All taxes go to the government and are then used as appropriated. The wealth is spread around. This is happening now people. This IS our tax system. Hello?
In 2001, Obama was not talking about a tax plan. He was talking about trying to get disenfranchised communities back on track and self sufficient. What is wrong with that? To me that is a little bit of good in the world. For Godʻs sake, the McCain/Palin camp is getting desperate and I cannot believe some people are buying all this out of context junk that they keep throwing out there.

The reporters questioning was obviously slanted by her apparent personal views in my opinion.There is certainly a way to ask tough questions without injecting isms into the argument.I thought Biden’s response was perfect.Since when is a roll back of taxes that benefitted the rich much more than the middle class anything other than a return to sanity.For those of you haters, the incopme tax system at its very core is income redistribution and reflects where the source of tax money to run the country comes from.Unbridled capitalism has sure proven successful recently, hasn’t it?

Well it isn’t just the “spread the wealth” idealogy that is straight from Karl Marx. So is our income tax system – a heavy progressive or graduated income tax is classic Marxism (Marx’s own words). We really need a consumption based tax system so that production is not penalized like it is currently. But the Democratic elite, which includes Obama, would never go for that. And it is more likely there will be an attempt to make the income tax more Marx-like by making it even more progressive so it “spreads the wealth.”

Obama & McCain are two sides to the same coin. They both fell over each other to give our 700 billion dollars to their greedy buds, the largest ‘socialist’ act I’ve witnessed in my lifetime. Depressing to only see 1 other poster advocating 3rd parties. Dem’s & Rep’s are amusing, if so much wasn’t at stake. They are both 100% correct, the other one is ruining the entire country. Our only hope is to send them both home.

Biden should have pointed out how this “Marxism” happens all the time to corporate fat cats and everyone shrugs it off as “part of the system.” But when socialistic ways are applied to ordinary people it’s somehow criminal.
I’d be more upset by this so-called “Marxism” if we were letting the big greedy corporations rot right now and allowing their CEOs to go hungry, but the government–ie your tax money–is taking care of them. It’s socialism and Marxism, just for the wealthy and well-connected. It’s the American Way.

If “less taxes on the middle class/more taxes for the rich” qualifies as income redistribution, then how is “less taxes on the rich/more taxes for the middle class” any different?

“The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved you had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you previously admitted. ”
But, the NYT article *didn’t* prove that he had a close relationship with Bill Ayers. Quite the opposite. It came to the conclusion that there was no actual relationship at all, beyond both of them being asked to serve on the same board (for an education foundation) -and- Ayers thinking that Obama would make a good candidate & acting as a campaign supporter.
I’m sure all kinds of crazy people support one candidate or the other. I’ve seen many of them posting right here!

akcoyote wrote:
” If this isn’t the seed of communism, I don’t know what is.”
Except that we still have a healthy democracy (so long as we don’t destroy the middle class with handouts to both ends of the economic spectrum) and *three* branches of government.
While Obama might take the White House, there is still some question whether he will get a filibuster-proof Senate, or that Bluedog Democrats will support him on most or any of his policies.
Too the Dems and Repubs have effectively rigged the local elections systems to favor a two party system. A serious third party would help keep the other two parties in check.

Guess Joe is mad because West didn’t get a shiver up her leg just talking to him. Obama and Biden are so used to everyone asking softball questions they can’t take it.

The comments on here are so typical of liberals. Liberals can’t discuss an issue without attacking the other party…..Too bad liberals just follow like sheep and act like spoiled rotten brats instead of thinking for themselves.
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uh huh….. I see it’s just so “typical of liberals”
LMAO

The comments on here are so typical of liberals. Liberals can’t discuss an issue without attacking the other party. They can’t put their point of view on the table without stomping their feet like nasty little children.”
Pot, meet the kettle.

GalFriday wrote:
“Jealous of Kennedy? Viet Nam….”
Viet Nam started under Eisenhower, depending on how much of a commitment of US forces you want to consider “involvement”.
You can be forgiven for your revisionist history only because of the funny remark about Jackie O.

Hey;
2001 Obama: Hey, why didn’t the Court become Robin Hood?
***I caught you. The “quote” you provided isn’t exact in key places, I feel you fudged some areas to make your incorrect falsehood seem true.

Republicans: The party of I’ve got mine and the hell with everyone else.
I really don’t understand how people like you ALSO claim to be THE God-fearing people and THE patriots.
You don’t seem to subscribe to Christian values like, “Do unto others as you would have them do unto you” or have any qualms about using any and all loopholes to keep from paying taxes and shipping jobs overseas (Well wait a minute, we can’t AFFORD products made in America anymore!)so that Americans are unemployed, for whom you seem to have only contempt because they can’t afford health care, for example, and can no longer find a decent paying job that will provide it. And you don’t seem to want any sort of universal health care that might make things easier for anyone else either.
You right-wingers sound like a bunch of really Scrooge-like people! You scream about welfare, but don’t want to share anything to help keep people off of welfare. Apparently you are ALL business owners (aka Joe the Plumber), to hear you talk, and you see your employees like Scrooge saw Bob Cratchet.
Hey! I’m puzzled too!

#13 – Ostensibly Impartial Quasi-Journalist TV Personalities
The Top 50 Swing Voters
http://swingvoters.wordpress.com

– Do the “God-Rules” say anything about snorting coke up your elitist nose? –
Last I checked, there was nothing about coke, but plenty about wine, women and song.

So is it true that they are estimating 96% of blacks will vote for BO? Isn’t that racist? When was the last time 96% of blacks voted for a Presidential candidate? What if 96% of whites voted for McCain…..would that be considered racist? Guess it just shows how far we have come to have 96% of any category voting for the same person. Why not just call these what they are….OJ elections.

Mary Swett writes:
Viet Nam started under Eisenhower, depending on how much of a commitment of US forces you want to consider “involvement”.
Ever heard of the Tonkin Gulf Resolution? The large scale commitment of American forces was not under Eisenhower. Of course revising history to suit one’s political perspective is an acceptable practive on the left.

Hiram interviews McCain:
Mr. McCain, you like children, don’t you?
McCain: Why, yes, my wife and I have adopted a….
Hiram (interrupting): …you adopted a little girl? Isn’t that right…
McCain: Yes, thats right.
Hiram: Why, Mr. McCain, would a 65 year old man adopt a young girl. Doesn’t that smack of pedophillia?
McCain: WHAT?
Hiram: Well, Mr. McCain, you just said you liked little girls….
So you kind of get the drift about hostile interviews, with straw man arguments, scapegoating, etc.
It’s an ambush. Anyone can do it. Doesn’t take a lot of smarts, but it takes a lot of nerve.

akcoyote wrote:
“Whatever is done, it will need to start at the local level and the necessary changes are not going to happen over night.”
You’re right on this and on the left-right split. But if the third party alternatives to the majors are just clones of the Dems and Repubs, then people will just stay with their current brand.
That is why I have hope for the Libertarians and the Greens. Although I find myself firmly in the Libertarian camp, I appreciate how much heartburn the Greens cause the Dems. They definitely lead from the far left on many issues, which causes the Dems to focus on their core constituency, sometimes to their detriment.
Libertarians, on the other hand, are routinely ignored by Republicans despite the fact that we form one of the core constituencies of the Reagan Revolution that helped propel the party back into national contention. The last four years of Bush’s leadership, and the profligate spending of the Republican Congress that he had serving with him, has left many of us Libertarians searching for new leadership. I believe Reagan Democrats are also on the fence with respect to the Republican party, which is what you see reflected in the national polls.
There isn’t a groundswell of support for Obama. There is a collective yawn for McCain.

FACT MAN Check your facts because it is known that a majority Afro-Americans vote Democratic not Republican. It has always been that way, just because Obama is 1/2 Black and 1/2 White would not change the ticket they are voting for, if it would have been anyone on the Democratic ticket they would be voting Democratic.

centurion666
“Ever heard of the Tonkin Gulf Resolution? The large scale commitment of American forces was not under Eisenhower. Of course revising history to suit one’s political perspective is an acceptable practive on the left.”
Well, I guess you’ve missed more than one of my posts or you wouldn’t have thought my politics run to the “left”.
Also, while it is true that Eisenhower didn’t sign the Tonkin Gulf Resolution, neither did Kennedy, the object of GalFriday’s and my discussion.
The Tonkin Gulf Resolution was signed by Kennedy’s successor, Lyndon Johnson. Kennedy was, by this time, dead from a head shot.
Perhaps the person reading and writing your posts for you should slow down a bit and follow the discussion a bit more fully before heading off on a tangent.
Or is that a particularly Republican behavioral trait?

Posted by: Bhrandon | Oct 27, 2008 1:43:30 PM
Hahahah! That was so funny. Well thought out. You should be a writer.
Obama/Biden 2008

This country has been moving toward socialism for many years, and sadly the Republicans have not done enough to stem the tide. The class warfare tactics of the left and the extent to which Obama will take us even further toward pure socialism was the point of the direct question asked of Biden.
Fact: 86% of all personal income taxes are paid by 25% of the wage earners. This is up 2% from the percentage when bush took office in 2000.
97% of all personal income taxes are paid by the top 50% of all wage earners.
And lest we forget the “rich” the top 1% of all wage earners paid a whopping 39% of all personal income taxes. This is also up two points over the percentage when Bush took office in 2000.
Is this tax system progressive enough for you? It is not for Obama. His “plan” to give tax cuts to 95% of “taxpayers” is a trick, a gimmick of smoke and mirrors. Personal income taxes are not even paid by 95%…….and please don’t confuse payroll deductions for social security and medicare contributions (that are matched by the employer). These are not income taxes!!!!

Can we please get everyone off of this ridiculous socialism kick? If you *honestly* believe that a tax rebate plan and subsidized health care is *exactly* the same as Marxist socialism, you probably shouldn’t vote. You have much more important things to do — like spend a year in college Econ. The only *real* socialist activity this election came from both Obama *and* McCain. That being the bailout that McCain *rushed* back to DC to hammer our, which turned into an actual socialist plan to put our government into the business of owning banks. So apparantly, McCain is a socialist when rich people benefit, and a capitalist when they don’t.

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?
We wont.

FYI everyone,
Obama was born in Kenya and legally NOT allowed to be president, just like Arnold Schwarzenager (born in Europe).
Look it up on you tube under “Obama’s birth certificate” and see a DEMOCRAT’s view.

FYI everyone,
Obama was born in Kenya and legally is NOT allowed to be president, just like Arnold Schwarzenager (born in Europe).
Look it up on you tube under “Obama’s birth certificate” and see a DEMOCRAT’s view.

John McCain’s Pennsylvania communications director told reporters in the state an incendiary version of the hoax story about the attack on a McCain volunteer well before the facts of the case were known or established — and even told reporters outright that the “B” carved into the victim’s cheek stood for “Barack,” according to multiple sources familiar with the discussions.
This is the type of campaign runs – PAID Phone Banker story of lies pushed by MCCAIN CAMP – WHY? THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SAY ABOUT THE ISSUES
John Verrilli, the news director for KDKA in Pittsburgh, told TPM Election Central that McCain’s Pennsylvania campaign communications director gave one of his reporters a detailed version of the attack that included a claim that the alleged attacker said, “You’re with the McCain campaign? I’m going to teach you a lesson.”

Confirmed: Ashley Todd a paid CRNC organizer
There still seems to be questions among even Kossacks as to whether Ashley Todd was a paid organizer or not. This has probably been covered, but since there’s still confusion, I think we need to make sure this information is better distributed.
Today it was confirmed by Ethan Eioln of the CRNC (College Republican National Committee) that she was contracted to be paid $3,600 for her August to election day work.
So, case closed. Let’s get this story back in the news cycle. The traditional media has now buried it, after only 3 days of coverage. We all know what would have happened if she were a liberal.
The CRNC is a 527 group with very close ties to the RNC.
The CRNC is clearly a major player for the Republican National Committee, receiving $25,000 from the RNC in 2002. The Center for Public Integrity also notes that most of the money raised by the group is spent on direct mail efforts and paying field representatives such as Todd.

What’s next? Obama is an alien from outer space and he is going to feed of humans? This will be the next GOP talking points because they have nothing. No solutions, no hope, no ideas, no optimism. They are only about trying to protect the uber wealthy. McCain wants to give those people making 2.8 million dollars a year a 700,000 dollar tax rebate. The is Wingnut welfare.
If you want incompetent cronyism, corruption, record defecits and big government, no-bid contracts, an ethically challenged Department of Justice, a torture camp in Guantanamo, endless war and did I mention those record deficits? Then vote for McCain the true Republican on the ticket.

I just emailed Barbara West’s supervisor and told them they should promote her for DOING HER JOB, AND SHOWING THE REST OF THE COUNTRY WHAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN DOING FOR MONTHS!!!
ASK OBAMA THE TOUGH QUESTIONS!
Does he not know what a terriorist looks like or a racist or a criminal, or does he know and CHOOSE TO RUN WITH THEM ANYWAYS?
NEVER OBAMA……
HILLARYS SUPPORTER FOR McCAIN!

Joe:
Is this too tough for you?
How about those Hens?

akcoyote wrote:
“Precisely what we need. Left, Left Center, Righr center and Right. With four definitive parties they would be forced to work together as no 2 parties could truly make up a majority. Another possibilty would be to do away with political parties altogether. Then candidates would have to run on their records alone. What a novel idea that would be.”
Again, you are dead on with respect to the proposed political spectrum. I think the move away from parties in state elections has already begun, except for funding. Most people in local and state races already know the affiliation of their candidate and party rarely enters the conversation.
Your vision of a future without parties would be nice, but there is too much money involved.

Alaskan Independence Party links to Todd & Sarah Palin links to IRAN

“Does he not know what a terriorist looks like or a racist or a criminal, or does he know and CHOOSE TO RUN WITH THEM ANYWAYS?”
Do YOU know what a terrorist looks like? How about a criminal? A racist? Wasn’t that one of the reasons we failed on 9/11? Because the guys didn’t have little signs to conveniently tell us they were terrorists? Please! Hillary is fortunate you are going over to McCain as she’d be embarrassed by that remark.
On another note, guilt by association is a very interesting study – most people are alot closer to the bad guys than they realize – through former professors, pastors etc., I would be willing to bet that everyone on this forum is about three to four people removed from a known terrorist, criminal or racist. Through a former professor, I can trace a connection to Pakistan – who knows who that guy might know over there? Does that mean I’m cavorting with terrorists? Give me a break.

Marv Swett wrote:
“Your vision of a future without parties would be nice, but there is too much money involved.”
Oh I believe that the bribes……I mean campaign contributions and such would still be there for everyone to take part in. The advantage (to the people) of a no party system is that representatives could vote their conscience or the will of their constituients without repercussions from their party. Makes you wonder just how many bills get rammed through for no other reason than party loyalty.

I think the question from Ms. West was a leginimate one. About time another station besides FOX lets the truth out. Way to go Ms. West.

Whether they like it or not Obama and Biden are lying to Americans to get elected as most Democrats do. They lie and deny just to get in office. Mrs. West asked a fair question and should have asked by CBS and NBC as well. Poor old Biden did’nt have time to take a poll and prepare for his spin. The Democratic party will retaliate against anyone who questions their intentions. Maybe now ABC understands what it feels like to be popped on by the Democratic party, how do you think the poor individuals feel like Joe The Plumber. Hopefully it will backfire against the Democrats. Perhaps ABC should now start unmasking and questioning more the Obama-Biden Campaign especially on the redistributing the wealth issue. That’s why the stock market is going down for fear of the Obama-Biden Socialist regime taking over.’From each according to his abilities to each according to his needs.’This is Obama’s idea of redistributing the wealth and the American people need to know about it. It is the duty of all Networks to inform American and say it like it is. ABC needs to be on the offensive regarding this issue and defend your good responsible journalist Barbara West. God Bless America!

MaryD wrote:
“Blacks in Harlem who said they voting for Obama, ….”
Yeah, isn’t that a shame?
The party of Lincoln, the party that lead the effort to free slaves from bondage, the party that stood against the attacks of the southern terrorist group the Ku Klux Klan, *can’t* get any support from blacks.
Why is that? Why would blacks not vote for a party that is so closely identified with their ancestor’s emancipation? Why do they cling so closely with the party that was the center of Segregationists and gave birth to the KKK? Why would they cast their lot with the party that fought to keep their ancestor’s in bondage?
Perhaps it comes down to the feeble efforts of Republican presidents to truly fight segregation in the US, whether in the legally segregated south, or the socially segregated communities of the north. Jim Crow may have been the official code of the Deep South, but racial segregation by economics and hiring practices was practiced with equal zeal in the North.
Republicans stood by and gave blacks little hope of change. The Democratic Party moved in lurches toward desegregation and eventually became the party that stood against Jim Crow. While Republicans were standing on the side lines, young Democratic activists were heading into the southern states to register black voters.
Where were the Republicans at this time?
I guess this apathetic approach by Republicans, combined with their embrace of avowed segregationists like Strom Thermond, left blacks with few alternatives.

akcoyote wrote:
“Makes you wonder just how many bills get rammed through for no other reason than party loyalty.”
Plenty. Many of these idiots admit that they don’t even spend the time to read the bills they are signing.
I think that the dissolution of parties will inevitability lead to some kind of coalition system, possibly built on regional interests. That would probably leave many in the west without sufficient political clout, but most of the west is owned by the government anyhow. We’re getting used to everyone treating our lands as one huge national park system that needs to be locked up.

Republicans and their talking heads are UNBELIEVABLE. The ONLY “redistribution” of money going on in this country is the BAILOUT OF THE RICH BY THE MIDDLE CLASS. This is a game that has been LONG played by Republicans. NO RELIEF for middle-class or poor…no bailouts for their mortgage or health care problems but RICH Wall Street Barons who already have everything money can buy, also get FINANCIAL BAILOUTS OF ALMOST ONE TRILLION DOLLARS THANKS TO THE HARDWORKING MIDDLE-CLASS.
Yes, “my friends,” — there has been socialism in America…FOR THE RICH. FOR TOO LONG THE FINANCIAL ELITES IN THIS COUNTRY HAVE SOCIALIZED LOSSES WHILE PRIVATIZING PROFITS. That is not just WRONG but UNAMERICAN. And now we have a candidate that wants to BALANCE the issues and the pampered rich are crying “foul!!!”
Republicans are just unreal, corrupt and a bunch of crooks…not to mention the party of moralistic hypocrites that have tried to hoist their fanatical agenda by unconstitutionally attacking the Constitution over and over. THE BIGGER THEY ARE, THE HARDER THEY FALL…AND REPUBLICAN SOCIALIST RELIGIOUS FANATICS ARE GOING TO FAIL AND FADE FROM HERE ON OUT…
…AND GOOD RIDDANCE.

We already voted for Obama/Biden, but McCain sealed his fate when he sold out to the neocons and picked Sarah Palin for VP. Might have voted for McCain at one time, but never would have voted for a wannabe like Palin.
Been pissed off for the last 8 years, and don’t even want to think of any more of the same! Give the Democrats the run of the place for a couple of years to undo the Republican damages. They had their chance and pooped in their nest! Trouble is, it is our nest too!

I seen that interview and that anchorwoman was a complete idiot… I couldnt believe that anyone would even think that those were serious questions… Only Idiots and uninformed people even would think those things! Mccain supporters are either really wealthy or uneducated.

McCain Supporters:
Nobody has said that the questions in the interview were “too tough” for Joe Biden. In fact Biden responded to all the questions, even the ones that were loaded with obvious right-wing propaganda.
The complaint here is that the questions were so over-the-top biased, that there was absolutely no semblance of impartiality.
As others have said, compare this Biden interview with West’s earlier interview with John McCain, when she asked nothing but puff-ball questions. It’s so obvious that she was influenced by her Republican strategist husband, that her interview was laughable at best. My guess is that her husband wrote the questions for both her interviews.
No, the questions weren’t too tough. They were just so ridiculously biased and inflammatory that any respectable journalist would be ashamed to work for the same news organization as Barbara West. She should be fired.

McCain Supporters:
Nobody has said that the questions in the interview were “too tough” for Joe Biden. In fact Biden responded to all the questions, even the ones that were loaded with obvious right-wing propaganda.
The complaint here is that the questions were so over-the-top biased, that there was absolutely no semblance of impartiality.
As others have said, compare this Biden interview with West’s earlier interview with John McCain, when she asked nothing but puff-ball questions. It’s so obvious that she was influenced by her Republican strategist husband, that her interview was laughable at best. My guess is that her husband wrote the questions for both her interviews.
No, the questions weren’t too tough. They were just so ridiculously biased and inflammatory that any respectable journalist would be ashamed to work for the same news organization as Barbara West. She should be fired.

Republican lies.
Republican financial elite’s have been SOCIALIZING LOSSES at the expense of middle class America while PRIVATIZING PROFITS at the expense of middle-class America FOR TOO LONG.
Obama is FINALLY CALLING THEM ON IT and is now ludicrously being accused of proposing EXACTLY what the corrupt Republican financial elites have been practicing for YEARS.
NO MORE REPUBLICAN SOCIALIZATION!!! NO MORE REPUBLICAN SOCIALIZATION OF LOSSES WHILE PRIVATIZING PROFITS!!!
KEEP REPUBLICAN AND ISLAMIC AND JEWISH RELIGIOUS FANATICS OUT OF THE CONSTITUTION!!!!
REPUBLICANS SUCK FOREVER!!!!!!

Spaniel wrote:
“That’s why Nader and the Libertarians never get a fair showing. Loads of people WANT to vote for them but they also don’t want to waste their vote.”
This is precisely the problem that the voting public faces. I do, however, believe there’s hope.
For the last 3 or so years here in Alaska, there has been an ongoing federal investigation of both state and federal politicians. So far, I believe that 5 state lawmakers have gone to prison and just today Ted Stevens was convicted of lieing on his disclosure forms. As much as we don’t want to see a democrat in his senate seat, most republicans here feel little sorrow for the predicament that he’s in. At least from the right’s perspective, it’s no longer ‘my guy, right or wrong’. It may just be wishful thinking but something tells me that after Obama, many on the left may well be feeling the same way.

I just saw an interview with a representative from Obama’s campaign on fox news with Neil Cavoto. This person told Neil ABC will be punished for this. If Obama wins, he said, they will continue to punish ABC. I could not believe my ears or eyes. They will be punished! What’s happening here?

Correction
Watch out for your First Amendment right. Most are now dem controlled,
and with all three branches controlled……..we are in deep trouble.

MaryD wrote:
“And why did John Kennedy not support the Civil Rights bill? He was against the bill.”
If you know the answer, perhaps you should not phrase your posts in the form of a question.
“It passed under Johnson (but he knew then he couldn’t run again for re-election) – but more Republicans voted for it the Senate than Democrats.”
That is true. But prior Republican administrations failed to advance the issue of civil right for blacks under the guise of States Rights. The only president prior to LBJ (a Democrat) to advance civil rights AT ALL was Truman (a Democrat), who desegregated the military despite warnings from his own party. Eisenhower did *what* on civil rights during his tenure?
So what was your point again? Oh, yeah. The appearance of promoting, and actually doing something about, civil rights worked to the Democrats advantage. Republicans, who should have been the natural party of choice for blacks, dropped the ball.
Shame, really.
BTW: You seem fixated on Kennedy. There is counseling available for that condition.

When ya do a hit job you gotta do it with some finesse. Babs’s job was too obvious a hatchet job. That dame’s not too smart. Actually, I haven’t seen too many smart guys or ladies on McCain’s team. They are really messing up.

I am confused; Obama is the one that brought up the concept of “spreading the wealth around” in his now famous discussion with the so-called “Joe the Plumber. Because of Obama’s comments, people want to know if this is really part of his economic and political ideology. Ever since, McCain has accused Obama of Socialism (calling it by name), and Obama has rebutted that it isn’t Socialism, but opportunity. Since this has been a hot discussion point for two weeks, and given that Karl Marx is regarded as the “Father of Socialism”, why was the question wrong? If that is a point that voters have concerns about, shouldn’t Joe just answer the question and not cry about it? Perhaps he was just caught off guard given the fact that the press has shown reluctance to offer anything but softballs to Obama/Biden during the entire campaign. At least, due to the diligence of the press corps, I know more about Sarah Palin’s campaign wardrobe than Barack Obama’s cocaine use and eerily silent years at Columbia and Harvard. I suppose if Barack instructs Columbia and Harvard to not release any personal information, the press takes that as a marching order that there that they dare not ask any further questions. Too bad they didn’t feel the same way about Sarah Palin’s daughter’s pregnancy, Cindy McCain’s past prescription drug problem, etc. After all, if we don’t know anything about one candidate, shouldn’t we be equally blind about both?

The Divine Republicans, so holy and above it all, all for me and then more for me too but we’ll make you think you’re getting a real blessing just for lining my pockets. Seems from what I read there are still a vast number of Americans who will actually miss Rove and Bush style ethics. How amazing, the willingness of paycheck people to give huge breaks to their masters for zero benefits, in a country that can’t even provide health care for it citizens and pretends to be socially advanced.So much so that they have the nerve to stand watch over other countries elections and monitor them yet they have an atrocity like the racist FLORIDA voting machine still able to possibly swing a national election.

centurion666 wrote:
“And your tribe is??”
None in particular. I tend to lean Libertarian.
Thanks for asking, btw.
“The fact is that either John McCain or Barack Obama will be the next President of the USA, not any of your independent candidates (who have their problems as well).”
That fact is due to the branding of the parties and the control that both of them have over local voting boards. Have you ever tried to get an independent candidate on the ballot? It isn’t an easy process.
But here’s some news for you: people are getting fed up with the major parties. Throughout the primary season voters were saying the same thing: we have no one to vote for; or we are voting for the lesser of two evils.
Stunning how that relates to popular support for either candidate, doesn’t it? Now you can look at those national polls with a much more jaundiced eye and think for yourself that “America is getting the best of the worst”.
Yeah, your parties are soooooo good. Pointing out the bad parts of the independent parties is such a waste of time because at least they *can* speak honestly. They don’t have to fear annoying the 30% of stupid Americans who can’t decide whether to buy Pepsi or Coke every 4 years.
You, on the other hand, love your Pepsi. It wouldn’t matter whether someone told you that employees at the factory urinated in every bottle, you’d still line up to buy it. You want to know why? Because PEPSI ISN’T COKE.
Yep, you’ve certainly got one on me, centurion666. You are so much more politically savvy than I am.
“Trust me, the after effects of the Barack Obama kool aid will be enjoyed by you too.”
I don’t like Coke either.
Or hasn’t that fact penetrated your skull yet?

Read West’s bio. Her and her hubby are RepubTard DC insiders. Add yet another JOKE to the “BS Express”!! Like this “woman” has any cred whatsoever!

Yet another example of how low the right-wing is willing to go to win an election. We all need to repudiate these sleazy and divisive tactics once, and for all…with our votes.

Notice, when you read through the blogs the Obamamians result to ugly name calling or lies. They can’t produce one fact to support their cause.

I’m not sure what would be more appropriate, Joe the Wuss, or Joe the ex-politician!

“Notice, when you read through the blogs the Obamamians result to ugly name calling or lies. They can’t produce one fact to support their cause.”
Excuse me Sonja? I most definitely have sided with the Obamaniacs but I did not call anyone names and as to facts, Please see the 17 that I mentioned. Now unless you do not know what facts are, in which case, please don’t vote, then please contribute something substantive or shut up.
1. Teamed up with Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to study the dangers of nuclear proliferation and pass legislation meant to keep nuclear material from falling into the hands of terrorists.
2. Passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps.
3. Worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.
4. Passed a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.
5. Created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000
6. Joining forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history.
7. Fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised
8. A leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting.
9. Introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to the Senate to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current subprime crisis began
10. Sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans
11. Lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.
12. Introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.
13. Worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women.
14. Introduced and helped pass bipartisan legislation to limit the abuse of no-bid federal contracts.
15. With Senator Feingold (D-WI) took on both parties and proposed ethics legislation that was described as the “gold standard” for reform.
16. Joined with Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., after Hurricane Katrina to improve oversight of federal spending.
17. Joined Arizona Sen. John McCain in sponsoring legislation that called for sharp, mandatory cuts in greenhouse gas emissions.
But apart from this, WHAT HAS SENATOR OBAMA EVER DONE for America?

So Ms. West is an ‘idiot’ and a ‘Nazi’ and there’s a whole diatribe here attacking the state of Florida as well?
I guess you Libs won’t be too heart broken if McCain wins Florida then I take it.
Your Leftist tactics and name-calling are so old and boring, once amusing, but just dull right now.
She got him good, and without really trying all that hard. She should have asked him what he thought of the Obama Doctrine.
Uh, come to think of it SHE WAS!
HA HA HA HA HA HA

“Your Leftist tactics and name-calling are so old and boring, once amusing, but just dull right now.”
Please see Spaniel’s previous post. Resorting to name calling in your attempt to tell ‘leftists’ that they are resorting to name calling is a bit dumb, don’t you think? Substantive criticism of the issues?

COURIC: But talking microcosmically, did the surge, the addition of 30,000 additional troops … help the situation in Iraq?”
How about looking up a Kouric interview? Tough questions? Jeez, in this snippet, Kouric grilled him without mercy on his lack of support for the surge. What’s your definition of tough ’cause I don’t call that softball?
OBAMA: Katie, as … you’ve asked me three different times, and I have said repeatedly that there is no doubt that our troops helped to reduce violence. There’s no doubt.
COURIC: But yet you’re saying … given what you know now, you still wouldn’t support it … so I’m just trying to understand this.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/23/katie-couric-to-obama-peo_n_114520.html

Doesn’t really matter what you call us, or me because you can only focus on the ‘name calling’ rather than giving the substantive analysis my heart so craves for. Let us know how Marxism is what Obama is calling for. That is definitely a major part of the discussion here. You should be able to find Kapital online for research purposes. I very much look forward to your SUBSTANTIVE comment rather than your name calling, or insinuation if you wish. You can call me anything you want – doesn’t change much. Please stick to analysis – it is what made this country great and what appears to be disappearing rather fast.

Spaniel,
wow you’re right Couric did ask “a tough” question to Obama. Forgot to check the Huffington Post for their unbiased view. Asking him to make his answer understandable is pretty tough.

Well, what made this country great wasn’t Socialism.
Now, all those collectives we call ‘farms’ that most Americans used to live on…the idea of coming together in armies when the State was threatened…public works, public education, the principle of separation of church and state…are those Socialist?
No.
Our Revolution and Communism were born out of the same basic philosophies. They aren’t the same…but are similar. Many make the claim that Communism and Christianity have similarities. But are they the same?
No.
So, what is the difference between the government doing something to help the American people financially and Socialism? Well, the difference is that in our Jeffersonian Democracy/Republic, the assistance from the government is on a case by case basis…in Socialism it is permanent.
In fact, in Socialism the State IS the People, there is no ideological difference.
So, there are differences, so quit trying to compare apples and oranges-just because they’re fruits and grow on trees doesn’t make them identical.

EXCELLENT Mr. or Ms. Grand old Party – my work is done! You have analyzed and asked a substantive question. I’m going to sleep better tonight. Substance was all I wanted … You have convinced me that the soul of America is not asleep but merely wanting. A-

Just propped up the whisky glass. A quick entry before turning in – I am surprised to say it GOP, but you are right on the mark! It may be journalism to blame but it is probably more likely the intransigence of the voters who will not change their opinions for value reasons. A great man called Douglas Hume once said that reason is often the slave to passion. We need to remember that our emotions may not always be the appropriate thing to vote for. We discussed earlier in the forum a no-party and a four party state – probably a good solution to much but, how to implement it? It isn’t merely journalism that is at fault here, it is our entire emotional outlook. But do we WANT to change it? That is a different question to SHOULD we change it. We can probably all agree that it should be changed but none of us have the guts to actually CHANGE it collectively.
The result is unbased accusations of Marxism and unthoughout analysis of the issues, by everyone. Name calling always replaces issue analysis when no one is willing to change their opinions because emotions are all you have left.
I’ll drink to good, substantive debate.

Will the neo-communists censor the Net?
Anybody who is listening or reading knows that a President Barack Obama would yank America toward socialism by the largest margin since FDR’s New Deal. Thanks to Joe the plumber, we know Obama wants to redistribute wealth, spread it around like it belongs to the government instead of the people who earned it.
Draconian tax increases are just the tip of the socialistic agenda Obama has waiting for us. Obama’s cheerleaders, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and other leftists, plan an all-out assault on the First Amendment. Sadly, that doesn’t mean that they’re going to cease the unending gaseous gaffes. Instead, it means they want to go back to pre-Ronald Reagan days when the government controlled what was said on radio and TV.
The Democrats, as they did in 1934 prompted by FDR, want to re-enact the Fairness Doctrine, which has nothing to do with fairness in communication. This doctrine simply allows the government to decide whose speech is free and whose isn’t. It forced broadcasters to give equal time to what the government deemed were opposing views.
President Ronald Reagan saw the evil behind the Fairness Doctrine and vetoed a bill in 1987 that would have made it law. The bellyaching from the far left has persisted since then, especially since my friend Rush Limbaugh saved AM radio with his style of talk radio. Thin-skinned liberals can’t take Rush’s straight talk, so they want to shut him down. That’s why some call the latest push for the doctrine the Hush Rush law.
I know this sounds like something from Nazi Germany or Castro’s Cuba, but it’s already in the hopper. New Mexico Sen. Jeff Bingaman let the cat out of the bag about the left’s plans to silence its dissenters, according to Brian Maloney of Radio Equalizer.
“With the possibility of a Democratic Party supermajority after the upcoming elections, Jeff Bingaman may soon get his wish to quash dissenting viewpoints,” Maloney reports. ”During an interview with KKOB Albuquerque host Jim Villanucci, Bingaman overtly stated his full support for imposing Fairness Doctrine restrictions on free speech which would effectively shut down talk radio as we know it today.”
If the leftists succeed under the nightmare scenario with Obama in the White House, this time it won’t just be about radio and TV, but could include content on the Internet. You got it – the jackbooted thugs from the left will monitor what you and I write on the Web and let us have it if they don’t think it’s “fair.”
Jeff Poor of NewsBusters wrote about this scary socialistic scheme, reporting that FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell ventured that the feds under the governmental Democratic trifecta (presidency and both houses of Congress) could thrust itself into regulating speech on the Internet.
“He told the Business & Media Institute there’s a possibility the next Congress and administration might attempt to package the renewal of the Fairness Doctrine with Net neutrality regulation,” Poor wrote.
“‘I think the fear is that somehow large corporations will censor their content, their points of view,’ McDowell said, suggesting some conservatives might support Net neutrality legislation based on corporate censorship fears. ‘I think the bigger concern for them should be if you have government dictating content policy, which by the way would have a big First Amendment problem.
“‘Then, whoever is in charge of government is going to determine what is fair, under a so-called “Fairness Doctrine,” which won’t be called that – it’ll be called something else,’ McDowell said. ‘So, will websites, will bloggers have to give equal time or equal space on their website to opposing views rather than letting the marketplace of ideas determine that?’”
The Democrats, who look more and more like neo-communists, should tread lightly here. I don’t just say that because I’ve made my living on talk radio. This is truly a First Amendment issue, so Pelosi and the rest of her minions better break out that Constitution they swore to protect and read up.
The Supreme Court did rule in an earlier day that the previous incarnation of the Fairness Doctrine was constitutional. But the Supreme Court concluded in another case that the doctrine “inescapably dampens the vigor and limits the variety of public debate (Miami Herald Publishing Co. v. Tornillo, 418 U.S. 241),” according to an article at the Heritage Foundation.
Obama and the Democrats’ new deal is a bad deal for every American who believes in the Constitution and the First Amendment. It is a dangerous step to the left that will stifle free expression and, ultimately, democracy.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78863

“Bottom line is that if it is a question I would have wanted to ask and a reporter asks it it was a good question.”
No, no , no – that is your PERSONAL opinion, which is good for you but only a limited number of other people. The question apparently is asking if Marxism is about to become a reality in this country. According to several, some who made excellent points here, yes it is. Now 1984 we ain’t but you’d never believe it from the posts.
However, the 17 points I posted, that may possibly have a few errors, I’m not above being ‘misguided,’ or fallible, still point to a guy who has serious concerns for working class Americans and has enacted or supported legislation on their behalf. This indeed, if taken to the extreme, could be interpreted as ‘socialism’ but seriously folks, if it is indeed socialism, it ain’t gonna be a totalitarian government taking away your rights.
First of all, Congressional peers would have seen to it that he didn’t get where he is with those views but just as important, if any of you ever goes for a security clearance, which he needs for his committees and his role in congress plus I’m almost sure the vetting process for POTUS, you will know that there is no way in Augustine’s prayer book he is going to get past the investigators with a huge bias towards Marxism, or indeed, with the friends he has ‘apparently’ kept. You must give some respect to the system you live under and credit where credit is due.
This is no dictator in the making but a left-leaning politician with designs on the Presidency. Nothing more, nothing less. Redistribution of wealth is what Congress does every day and also what every government agency does when it regulates. It is also not a bad thing when regulated by those same agencies. If Obama were saying that he wanted to rid the government of those pesky regulatory agencies and the evil committees he has to testify to, THEN I’d be worried. But he ain’t and they will continue to REGULATE his redistribution of wealth – which some might also call ‘socialism’ as well since it is the government doing it. If ANYONE suggests getting rid of the agencies that regulate, that is much more serious. So the difference between his redistribution and the ‘Marxist’ redistribution is 100% regulation of the funds being redistributed, something Obama has absolutely NO CONTROL over, even as President.
AS to Biden being a liar, that is not something that I think I brought up at all suffice it to say that anyone in a position in which he/she is appealing to the people will distort facts for their own good, McCain, Palin, Biden, Obama or Nader, don’t matter who it is. WE the electorate need to be able to see through the rhetoric without merely name calling. We can see umpteen instances of both sides double-standards – since they both do it, it cancels th other out. What matters in the end is do we trust the guy to do the job.
Question you gotta ask yourself is, have we got two candidates, or only one. But since this is the 2008 Presidential election, the most influential election in the world, you just gotta ask yourself … am I feeling lucky …
Well are yer … ?
Now definitely to bed. Keith Olberman and Fox News await my collective attention.

So we need a regulatory agency for the 4th estate? Just to make sure they are touting the other line equally? You might want to be careful suggesting that since that stinks of the same censorship you are railing against. Be satisfied that the press is able to spout the crap you don’t like since regulation of people’s views is akin to – well, Marxism actually.

I could not believe it when I saw an ABC reporter, B.W. to ask the right kind of questions to J. Biden and McCain. Is this the restart of real jorunalism on local TV channels ? Is it safe to go back to watch local news ?

Barbara West is a f-king Nazi!

Alaska leaning Democrat. I’m going to sleep now because I don’t need to say much more.

Democracy Is The Road To Socialism”
Karl Marx
“The Change We Need”
Barack Obama
BOOOOOOOO!!!
AMERICA SAY NO TO MARXIST/RADICAL BARACK OBAMA

Notice she didn’t ask Biden if he is a communist. Only whether Obama is a comunist–perhaps it may have something to do with being black.
Take good care of yourself, Obama. These racist pigs will kill you in less than a year.

I posted here a few days ago asking that if someone provided a real, concrete reason to vote for Obama, I would.
No one ever did.
Today’s tape of Obama’s 2001 radio interview has now provided sufficient evidence for Obama to remove himself from consideration.
So thank you to everyone, but I no longer need anyone to provide a reason to vote for him – I’ve decided not to.
That interview, along with the thought of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Frank, Dodd & co. introducing unchallengeable, veto proof legislation, and who knows what Supreme Court judges would be appointed, is why.
(Please re-read that last paragraph and make sure you understand the implications).

Hey everyone! “terrago” has found the smoking gun! Whew! That was almost a close one … Thanks “terrago.”
BTW, here are some facts for you (and, please re-read them so *you* understand their implications): Obama goes into extensive detail to explain why the courts *should not* get into the business of ‘redistributing’ wealth. The point Obama (the Law Professor in 2001) was trying to make is that during the Civil Rights period too many people relied on the courts to change society for the better.
This, by the way “terrago”, is a view that is shared by some of the most influential *conservative* judges and legal scholars across the US.
But why let facts get in the way?

The mark of a true journalist is to report the news, not try to make it. Barbara West’s bias is clearly visible in her reporting which reduces her credibility.

Would the Last Honest Reporter Please Turn On the Lights?
By Orson Scott Card
Editor’s note: Orson Scott Card is a Democrat and a newspaper columnist, and in this opinion piece he takes on both while lamenting the current state of journalism.
An open letter to the local daily paper — almost every local daily paper in America:
I remember reading All the President’s Men and thinking: That’s journalism. You do what it takes to get the truth and you lay it before the public, because the public has a right to know.
This housing crisis didn’t come out of nowhere. It was not a vague emanation of the evil Bush administration.
It was a direct result of the political decision, back in the late 1990s, to loosen the rules of lending so that home loans would be more accessible to poor people. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were authorized to approve risky loans.
What is a risky loan? It’s a loan that the recipient is likely not to be able to repay.
The goal of this rule change was to help the poor — which especially would help members of minority groups. But how does it help these people to give them a loan that they can’t repay? They get into a house, yes, but when they can’t make the payments, they lose the house — along with their credit rating.
They end up worse off than before.
This was completely foreseeable and in fact many people did foresee it. One political party, in Congress and in the executive branch, tried repeatedly to tighten up the rules. The other party blocked every such attempt and tried to loosen them.
Furthermore, Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were making political contributions to the very members of Congress who were allowing them to make irresponsible loans. (Though why quasi-federal agencies were allowed to do so baffles me. It’s as if the Pentagon were allowed to contribute to the political campaigns of Congressmen who support increasing their budget.)
Isn’t there a story here? Doesn’t journalism require that you who produce our daily paper tell the truth about who brought us to a position where the only way to keep confidence in our economy was a $700 billion bailout? Aren’t you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefiting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?
I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you would be treating it as a vast scandal. “Housing-gate,” no doubt. Or “Fannie-gate.”
Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting sub-prime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed.
As Thomas Sowell points out in a TownHall.com essay entitled “Do Facts Matter?” ( http://snipurl.com/457townhall_com ): “Alan Greenspan warned them four years ago. So did the Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers to the President. So did Bush’s Secretary of the Treasury.”
These are facts. This financial crisis was completely preventable. The party that blocked any attempt to prevent it was … the Democratic Party. The party that tried to prevent it was … the Republican Party.
Yet when Nancy Pelosi accused the Bush administration and Republican deregulation of causing the crisis, you in the press did not hold her to account for her lie. Instead, you criticized Republicans who took offense at this lie and refused to vote for the bailout!
What? It’s not the liar, but the victims of the lie who are to blame?
Now let’s follow the money … right to the presidential candidate who is the number-two recipient of campaign contributions from Fannie Mae.
And after Franklin Raines, the CEO of Fannie Mae who made $90 million while running it into the ground, was fired for his incompetence, one presidential candidate’s campaign actually consulted him for advice on housing.
If that presidential candidate had been John McCain, you would have called it a major scandal and we would be getting stories in your paper every day about how incompetent and corrupt he was.
But instead, that candidate was Barack Obama, and so you have buried this story, and when the McCain campaign dared to call Raines an “adviser” to the Obama campaign — because that campaign had sought his advice — you actually let Obama’s people get away with accusing McCain of lying, merely because Raines wasn’t listed as an official adviser to the Obama campaign.
You would never tolerate such weasely nit-picking from a Republican.
If you who produce our local daily paper actually had any principles, you would be pounding this story, because the prosperity of all Americans was put at risk by the foolish, short-sighted, politically selfish, and possibly corrupt actions of leading Democrats, including Obama.
If you who produce our local daily paper had any personal honor, you would find it unbearable to let the American people believe that somehow Republicans were to blame for this crisis.
There are precedents. Even though President Bush and his administration never said that Iraq sponsored or was linked to 9/11, you could not stand the fact that Americans had that misapprehension — so you pounded us with the fact that there was no such link. (Along the way, you created the false impression that Bush had lied to them and said that there was a connection.)
If you had any principles, then surely right now, when the American people are set to blame President Bush and John McCain for a crisis they tried to prevent, and are actually shifting to approve of Barack Obama because of a crisis he helped cause, you would be laboring at least as hard to correct that false impression.
Your job, as journalists, is to tell the truth. That’s what you claim you do, when you accept people’s money to buy or subscribe to your paper.
But right now, you are consenting to or actively promoting a big fat lie — that the housing crisis should somehow be blamed on Bush, McCain, and the Republicans. You have trained the American people to blame everything bad — even bad weather — on Bush, and they are responding as you have taught them to.
If you had any personal honor, each reporter and editor would be insisting on telling the truth — even if it hurts the election chances of your favorite candidate.
Because that’s what honorable people do. Honest people tell the truth even when they don’t like the probable consequences. That’s what honesty means . That’s how trust is earned.
Barack Obama is just another politician, and not a very wise one. He has revealed his ignorance and naivete time after time — and you have swept it under the rug, treated it as nothing.
Meanwhile, you have participated in the borking of Sarah Palin, reporting savage attacks on her for the pregnancy of her unmarried daughter — while you ignored the story of John Edwards’s own adultery for many months.
So I ask you now: Do you have any standards at all? Do you even know what honesty means?
Is getting people to vote for Barack Obama so important that you will throw away everything that journalism is supposed to stand for?
You might want to remember the way the National Organization of Women threw away their integrity by supporting Bill Clinton despite his well-known pattern of sexual exploitation of powerless women. Who listens to NOW anymore? We know they stand for nothing; they have no principles.
That’s where you are right now.
It’s not too late. You know that if the situation were reversed, and the truth would damage McCain and help Obama, you would be moving heaven and earth to get the true story out there.
If you want to redeem your honor, you will swallow hard and make a list of all the stories you would print if it were McCain who had been getting money from Fannie Mae, McCain whose campaign had consulted with its discredited former CEO, McCain who had voted against tightening its lending practices.
Then you will print them, even though every one of those true stories will point the finger of blame at the reckless Democratic Party, which put our nation’s prosperity at risk so they could feel good about helping the poor, and lay a fair share of the blame at Obama’s door.
You will also tell the truth about John McCain: that he tried, as a Senator, to do what it took to prevent this crisis. You will tell the truth about President Bush: that his administration tried more than once to get Congress to regulate lending in a responsible way.
This was a Congress-caused crisis, beginning during the Clinton administration, with Democrats leading the way into the crisis and blocking every effort to get out of it in a timely fashion.
If you at our local daily newspaper continue to let Americans believe — and vote as if — President Bush and the Republicans caused the crisis, then you are joining in that lie.
If you do not tell the truth about the Democrats — including Barack Obama — and do so with the same energy you would use if the miscreants were Republicans — then you are not journalists by any standard.
You’re just the public relations machine of the Democratic Party, and it’s time you were all fired and real journalists brought in, so that we can actually have a news paper in our city.
This article first appeared in The Rhinoceros Times of Greensboro, North Carolina, and is used here by permission.
http://www.ldsmag.com/ideas/081017light.html

Is Obama a Natural Born Citizen?
By Colonel Bob Pappas, USMC, Retired
Article II, U.S. Constitution states, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
The issue is so fundamental that it defies reason that any patriotic American would not want to clarify a candidate’s status before an election. If there were no problems in Obama’s case it would not rise to significance, but he and his attorney’s have maneuvered the Court to rule in their favor, albeit as a legal maneuver not as a matter of substance. U.S. District Judge R. Barclay Surrick ruled that a suit brought by Phillip J. Berg, a Pennsylvania attorney, was, “too vague and its effects too attenuated to confer standing on any and all voters,” and dismissed the case for lack of “Standing.” But it will only delay, not stop the inevitable. Click here to see.
In my opinion, now that the Judge has dismissed the case, others, perhaps the Attorney General, or even those who support Obama will pursue it. In the supporters’ instance it would be to prove that he is eligible, and in the Constitutionalists’ instance it will be to clarify whether or not Obama is eligible to be President. The entire matter could be resolved if the State of Hawaii produced the original copy of Obama’s birth certificate, or if Obama has one, if he would produce it; not the one posted on his website because it is by expert accounts, a fake. See the posting on Obama’s website Click Here
And compare it to the following which is an authentic birth certificate from the State of Hawaii. It was copied from an article in NewsMax.com titled, “Obama Refuses to Answer Birth Certificate Lawsuit.”
The one above is authentic, so where does that leave Obama? The obvious answer is that it leaves him in a hoax or another lie, and this one disqualifies him to be President.
This has already been, and may prove to be an even more interesting election, because if Obama should win the electoral votes to become President, which he won’t, and between the election and inauguration he is found to be ineligible, that would put the entire matter into a cocked hat. Would Biden automatically “ascend,” or would Hillary be “crowned?” Or, would the entire matter be back to the Supreme Court and the entire Democrat Party process be invalidated, and the election handed to Senator McCain by default? Wouldn’t the left love that?
Judge Surrick’s dismissal of the case raises the question of who or what entity would have standing to bring a suit? Having read Berg’s complaint one is astonished at the poor legal writing skills, but that aside the case is intriguing. Read, my previous article on this subject.
In the world of legal justice in the contemporary United States, it evidently matters not that there is a legitimate question about Obama’s citizenship status, because in the legal world everything hinges on whether or not one has “standing” to bring suit. If an American Citizen who is subject to the Constitution, brings a suit so fundamental to the heart of the elective process about the qualifications of a Candidate for the Presidency, does not have “standing,” no person can have standing given the wording of Judge Surrick’s ruling, and that portends a fight potentially of a different sort.
If the ruling means that only another candidate for the Presidency can bring suit, then one would think that a man of integrity would do it, but in this instance that man might just be a woman.
“John McCain is a giant of a man, a man of integrity, a man of valor, and a man of experience; a man who endured the unendurable, was tried in the crucible and emerged an authentic American patriot and hero. He may not be an eloquent speaker, he may not have the most charismatic personality, and, although John McCain has manifest his human failures along the way, I will support him, I will work for him, I will vote for him and I will salute him in victory!”
Semper Fidelis
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saw that interview : It was HORRIBLE. Joe Biden is a a really nice man, anyone else would have DESTROYED that unethical woman on the air!
Posted by: Independant American Woman
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Joe Biden is an idiot. He should have answered the question. This is the United States of America – NOT Cuba, or North Korea! Since when reporters in this country are NOT permitted to ask “questions”? Oh! I know…you are probably one of those left wingers that think that only left-wing-liberal media morons can ask Palin any question they want (not matter how mean and rude) but not Biden or Obama!
The biased media and the Obama Marxist Camp want to have it both ways! Well, the American people did in fact watch a Biden, who by his answer alone gave many Americans more reasons to believe that Obama is in fact a Marxist. He was one all his adult life.
It is unfortunate that many Americans still do not want to see Obama’s true colors. Those Americans – the “sheep” – that are blindly following Obama the same way millions of “sheep” around the world were following the “Karl Marx Doctrine” of “distrobution of wealth”! We saw what happened to the places Communism was permitted a “breathing space”.
I hope that our America will never know the devastation that Marxists brought on to the countries they ruled for so many decades simply because the “sheep” were listening to their Marxist Messiah’s “pretty speeches”.
I suggest that you watch this interview … perhaps you will be enlightened! (for a change)
http://americasnewstoday.com/stories/10272008-oBAMARADio2001iNTeRVieW.html

Sarah Palin would have responded thusly:
“In what regard, Barbara?”
Because… as we all know… she has no clue who Karl Marx is.
Or here’s a more likely Palin response: “Yes Barbara, I was thinking that very thing… and Barack Obama is just like Groucho Marx too… eloquent and all wordy and stuff, and Joe Biden is like one of those other Marx brothers, like Harpo… always tootin’ his own horn and all that.

Chuck- Thanks for giving me the address to praise this reporter for asking the questions that I want the answers to.

Hey “Natasha” and “ellsbells830″ (sorry “ells” still redistributing your handle amongst the blog-a-rati: Here’s one for you two if you’re inclined to read anything other than right-wing propaganda:
Gramm and Enron
The battle over the “Enron loophole” also could draw attention to McCain’s dependence on (Phil) Gramm as his chief economic adviser and Gramm’s key role in passing legislation that let Enron trade commodities on electronic platforms without federal oversight.
In 2000, with the *Republicans in charge of Congress* and Gramm chairing the Senate Banking Committee, the exemption on electronic trading was approved without a Senate hearing.
Internal Enron documents, which were released in 2002, revealed that the Houston-based company helped write the legislation.
Freed from regulatory interference, Enron then used manipulative trading practices to game the California electricity market and drive up electricity prices across the state.
While California consumers were getting fleeced, the new Bush administration shielded Enron from early accusations of market manipulation. President Bush personally joined the fight against imposing caps on the soaring price of electricity, buying additional time for Enron although the company’s house of cards collapsed anyway in fall 2001.
How do like them apples?!? Imagine that, Phil Gramm the Republican who wrote the book on how to fleece America is John McShame’s economic adviser!
Who would’ve thunk it?!?

Lest we forget, McShame has his own run in with TV reporters:
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At one point in the interview, McCain grew frustrated with a Tampa television reporter during her questions on immigration issues. McCain twice said illegal immigrants who have committed crimes would be rounded up. Katie Coronado of WFLA-TV asked if that meant using raids to round up immigrants.
“What did I just say that had any connotation of raids?” McCain said, raising his voice with impatience. “Let me try one more time.”
He again explained the idea of forcing illegal immigrants out of the country by issuing ID cards and fining employers who hire illegals. He then softened his tone.
“I apologize,” he said to Coronado. “I understand how important an issue it is. I didn’t mean to be flip.”
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Looks like “Scattershot McShame” is the same old same old McShame…

Why is it valid to ask what Barbara West’s background contains but not valid to ask about Ayers, Wright, Resco, etc.? Weeks ago, Palin was lampooned for wearing cheap shoes, now lampooned for a wardrobe budget? WHAT the? Brains are used for thinking, hearts are used for feeling. Vote with your brains.

Teacher, define ‘valid’? Given the post, you must have seen Fox rip Ayers apart last week right? Isn’t that an example of the ‘valid’ background investigation you crave? You, as a teacher, should make sure you do not fall into this fallacy of believing that your own emotional biases are not being addressed by this ‘liberal’ media bias when you can easily do some research and uncover examples of exactly the data that you say is lacking. Basically, the argument you make and any others on this forum make, of both political color, is a fallacy called ‘confirmation bias’ which refers to a form of selective thinking that focuses upon evidence that supports your belief while ignoring or purposely not finding evidence that refutes it.

I hope that same “courageous” reporter will ask McCain if he is a Nazi because he supports rich white industrialists who would like to rid the world of poor people…
That would be just as inflammatory as suggesting Obama is a Marxist. That idiot reporter ought to have her brain washed out with soap and a good scrubbrush.
GOOD FOR BIDEN for laughing at her moronic – not to mention very insulting – question.

Brian,
Just because tax rates were higher in the past does not mean that it was right for those rates to be that high.
Also, when you talk about the 95% of America bailing out the top 5% of America, it’s not being done voluntarily. The government is making the American people bail out those firms. That is liberalism at work.
You say it should be comforting that the government is spreading the wealth around. It is only comforting for those who are not providing enough for themselves and their families. That is why socialism has never succeeded, it is a disincentive to actually go out and achieve.

Great website
http://hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com/

West was unprofessional and biased. She was snotty in her questioning with a nasty edge to her voice. I live in Orlando and I will never watch that station news show again.

Again,
GREAT website:
http://hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com/

How does ABC news feel now; the Obama campaign ban its affiliate TV station in Orlando,Florida from further interviews.Finally the main stream media asked the Obama campaign some serious truthful questions. Will censuring the news media be standard operating procedure in an Obama administration , if they don’t like the line of questions.Wake up america!

All you have to do is watch the Biden interview by West, then watch the McCain interview she did of McCain prior to the Biden interview. I thought she was going to lay down and spread her legs for McCain!
The Orlando Sentinel put it all in perspective. She’s a registered Repugnican and her husband is a Repugnican media advisor.
Guess she thought if she didn’t try to talk the McCain talking points, her husband’s business might suffer.
She’s no journalist. She’s a parrot for McCain’s talking points.

http://hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com/

Great analogy for how our tax system works:
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1
The sixth would pay $3
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers, he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free.
But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But once outside the restaurant the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’
‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics, University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

Vive Sarkozy l’ Americain!…. :>
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ABC: Sources Say Sarkozy Finds Obama’s Iran Policy ‘Arrogant,’ ‘Utterly Immature’
October 28, 2008 11:39 AM
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/sources-say-sar.html

Videotape of Barack Obama You Won’t See on the News Is Making News
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
By Brit Hume
Tale of the Tape
The McCain camp has now joined those demanding The Los Angeles Times release a 2003 video that shows Barack Obama celebrating with a group of Palestinians hostile to Israel.
Peter Wallsten wrote in April about Obama’s association with former Palestinian operative Rashid Khalidi. The celebration was a farewell for Khalidi as he left Chicago for a job in New York. Wallsten called Khalidi a, “critic of Israel and advocate for Palestinian rights.”
He says, “A special tribute came from Khalidi’s friend and frequent dinner companion, the young State Senator Barack Obama… Obama reminisced about meals prepared by Khalidi’s wife… and conversations that had challenged his thinking.”
Wallsten writes that a young Palestinian read a poem accusing the Israeli government of terrorism. Another speaker likened Israeli settlers on the West Bank to Usama bin Laden.
Wallsten confirmed he has the tape, but told the political blog Gateway Pundit he does not plan on releasing it. The newspaper declines to comment.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,444628,00.html

Just in case you missed this rather “fascinating” discovery.
(Obama is literally fuming)
Monday, October 27, 2008
Obama’s Redistribution of Wealth Audio Uncovered–Marxist Angry at Fox News
Watch video:
http://americasnewstoday.com/stories/10272008-oBAMARADio2001iNTeRVieW.html

When posting here, specific southern type racist language and dire name calling were not part of the chat a day ago, now with the racist rants evident on here in these passages, there is no point in discussing further, it paints everyone with that same brush that bothers.
racists have always won in the south, twill be interesting to see a change in this historic election.