Biden ‘Feeling Good’ Following Debate
ABC News’ Matt Jaffe Reports: Following Thursday’s one and only vice-presidential debate, the mood in the Biden camp was nothing short of buoyant as they bolted out of St. Louis in the middle of the night.
When he arrived at the airport after his big Show-Me State showdown with Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, Sen. Joe Biden told reporters that he was "feeling good" and flashed two thumbs up.
Aboard the flight back to Wilmington, the good vibes continued with a champagne toast from the senator’s son Hunter, one of 15 Biden family members to accompany the Democratic vice-presidential nominee to the Washington University duel.
"I want to make a toast," Hunter announced over the in-flight intercom. "To the next vice-president of the United States, my Dad, Joe Biden."
"And another to the team back there that made it happen.," he added, thanking the Biden staffers.
The Biden camp then raised their glasses of champagne and cheered loudly.
Upon arrival back in Wilmington close to 2:00am, though, thoughts quickly turned to Biden’s other son, Beau, whose one-year deployment to Iraq as a National Guardsman begins with a ceremony this weekend. The senator will speak at his eldest son’s departure ceremony Friday morning in Dover, after which Beau will spend the weekend with the family before reporting Sunday to Ft. Bliss, TX, for about six weeks of training.
Due to his pending deployment, Beau was unable to accompany his father to the debate.
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I would like to comment on the debate last night. I thought Joe Biden did a wonderful job of bringing to the forefront the issues that are upper most in the minds of middle class America today. He tried to make this a real debate and unfortunately Governor Palin wouldn’t participate. To her this was a campaign speech not a true debate. Her “down home, I’m one of the people” attitude irratated me to no end. I wanted to hear what she and John McCain planned to do about the serious problems facing our nation right now, not alot of “darns” and “goshes”. Your average everyday hard working people of this nation are scared and they are fed up with the huge waste in government today. We’re worried about keeping our jobs and our homes, feeding and caring for our families and we did not hear any real answers from the McCain/Palin camp last night. Although I am a registered Republican I am voting for Barack Obama and Joe Biden this election day. For the first time in many years they give us hope that the government of the United States is really listening to the people that put them in office not just giving us lip service. Thank you.
Posted by: Scottie Groover | October 3, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
* If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you’re ‘exotic, different.’
* Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you’re a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man in his eighth decade.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a true Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant, you’re very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America ‘s.
* If your husband is nicknamed ‘First Dude’, with at least one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
ok – now I get it…. or do I?
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | October 3, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
Palin was speaking directly to the American people. Biden was speaking to his reporter comrades. Palin was going after votes. Biden was appealing to Washington DC and the liberal media ad nauseam. In a sense they BOTH connected with their intended audiences. But it’s up to Obama and McCain now. They both did what they had to do. Now the real President must stand up. We’ll see who takes the mantle in the next few weeks. Great job by both VP’s. They were better than their bosses for God’s sake!
Posted by: hmn | October 3, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am
Hey candidates, did you forget something, what are our big plans to create jobs and fix our economy? The American public is left holding the bag to bail out the banks, how are you going to create jobs so people don’t have to deal with this; http://www.buymyhousebeforethebanktakesit.com … is this the future of America?
Posted by: Economist | October 3, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am
Former Clinton administration press secretary Mike McCurry:
“Joe scored more points, she won more hearts.”
“She’s reassuring. People get a feel for her.”
“She was more confident, her head was in a better place
Posted by: TJ | October 3, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
Way to Go Joe Feeling good about LYING to the american people.You knew you could not win on truths Good job
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 3, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
Biden made 10 actual mistakes, untruths, about McCain’s record on taxes, votes in Senate, war, economy, budget, energy, and his stands on the bailout, which he made a week before Obama. Why cannot people see how many real distortions the Obama Campaign(Chicago mean street style politics) have made?
Posted by: Jeany/Sparklestheclown | October 3, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am
Dear Palin, you were good for communicating today, you were courageous, no fear, talk straight what you wanted to say, good and I like that, my mom had also the same qualities, I really love that. But, for God’s sake, you do not have the capacity for the VP post! This does not mean you have a problem or so, it just that you are way far from the experience and judgment the job needs. It is really shameful especially for the McCain Camp. But I think it is good and on purpose for the lobbyists, so that they can run Washington as they want and keep on taking our money. If McCain wins and in case “God forbids it” you became president, then I think they are going to love it even more…
Posted by: Peter | October 3, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
While Palin “read” and “parroted” her responses from talking points from debate boot camp AND refused to answer the questions asked, Joe Biden demonstrated his wealth of experience and authentic understanding on foreign affairs, domestic affairs and the plight of the working poor and middle class. He explained precisely how these two competing platforms would be real change; Palin did not explain that at all. She can wink and parrot and say doggone all she wants but that is all surface theatrics (and frankly, embarrassing). Biden demonstrated an incredible depth and breadth of experience and understanding. We need someone who can actually change the path of this country which is in a downward spiral. We do not need memorized cliches. Biden clearly articulated a long list of how McCain is NOT a maverick. Obama and Biden together provide the country with thoughtful ideas, calm understanding and a fresh new way to go forward.
Posted by: lily | October 3, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
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They are dying off. Why?
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
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Posted by: remember the Honey Bee | October 3, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why? Mico-Grnerators.
How do the Insects SEE? Ask Power and Controls Military officials, who develope Military Equipment.
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why?
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
Republican only except Pork.
They will blame everyone, but Rick Davis.
Remember him. McCcains Advisor, who was STILL recieveing Middle Americans Money, until last Month.
McCains Top Advisor, who was helping to raise McCains Funds.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Posted by: remember the Honey Bee | October 3, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am
Biden should feel great about last night’s debate. Because Biden won… hands down!
http://www.congratstothewinners.com/2008/10/joe-biden-wins-vp-debate.html
Posted by: FriendlyFred | October 3, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am
Palin was a strategic political move by McCain to get Hilary’s disenchanted voters, not because he thought she was right for the job. This was so obvious and people still act like she is capable of running a country like the US. Wake up.
Posted by: myche | October 3, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
Palin’s “folksey” charm was an embarressment and an insult to anyone who lived/lives in small towns across America as I did. Her refusal to answer questions asked in the debate showed two things: total disrespect for a respectful debate forum and diversionary tactics to hide her lack of knowledge on issues/policies and world events. I did not expect her to know as much as Biden, but reciting “talking points” with sarcastic confidence does not show any depth of knowledge or give me any comfort in knowing she is a “heart-beat away” from becoming president. McCain/Palin must think “small town America” is too STUPID to vote based on policies, isssues, and candidate qualifications if they have to continue the “Beverly Hillbillies” sideshow in order to gain votes. There are a lot of very intelligent people who live in small towns that want serious answers to serious problems…not a “wink” and a “awe-shucks”.
Posted by: bg | October 3, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
The Corrupt use Double Talk. Opposite wording.
Who wanted the SUGAR, Those who Voted agaist the RESCUE FO MIDDLE AMERICANS.
Sounds like another ‘RICK DAVIS SCAM’.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why? Mico-Grnerators.
How do the Insects SEE? Ask Power and Controls Military officials, who develope Military Equipment.
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why?
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
Republican only except Pork.
They will blame everyone, but Rick Davis.
Remember him. McCcains Advisor, who was STILL recieveing Middle Americans Money, until last Month.
McCains Top Advisor, who was helping to raise McCains Funds.
If you Vote for Corrupt Wallstreet, Then yes, You will probably vote for McCains best fried Rick Davis, who continued to Steal the American Dream, While McCain was laughing, behind the Curtin. Rick Davis pays for Corrupt Paperwork.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Vote NO for McCains Pork
Vote NO for Bailing out McCcains advisor , Rick Davis.
Watch CNN and MSNBC for Truth and Justic
Posted by: remember the Honey Bee | October 3, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am
The Corrupt use Double Talk. Opposite wording.
Who wanted the SUGAR, Those who Voted agaist the RESCUE FO MIDDLE AMERICANS.
Sounds like another ‘RICK DAVIS SCAM’.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why? Mico-Grnerators.
How do the Insects SEE? Ask Power and Controls Military officials, who develope Military Equipment.
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why?
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
Republican only except Pork.
They will blame everyone, but Rick Davis.
Remember him. McCcains Advisor, who was STILL recieveing Middle Americans Money, until last Month.
McCains Top Advisor, who was helping to raise McCains Funds.
If you Vote for Corrupt Wallstreet, Then yes, You will probably vote for McCains best fried Rick Davis, who continued to Steal the American Dream, While McCain was laughing, behind the Curtin. Rick Davis pays for Corrupt Paperwork.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Vote NO for McCains Pork
Vote NO for Bailing out McCcains advisor , Rick Davis.
Watch CNN and MSNBC for Truth and Justic
Posted by: remember the Honey Bee | October 3, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am
The Corrupt use Double Talk. Opposite wording.
Who wanted the SUGAR, Those who Voted agaist the RESCUE FO MIDDLE AMERICANS.
Sounds like another ‘RICK DAVIS SCAM’.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why? Mico-Grnerators.
How do the Insects SEE? Ask Power and Controls Military officials, who develope Military Equipment.
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why?
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
Republican only except Pork.
They will blame everyone, but Rick Davis.
Remember him. McCcains Advisor, who was STILL recieveing Middle Americans Money, until last Month.
McCains Top Advisor, who was helping to raise McCains Funds.
If you Vote for Corrupt Wallstreet, Then yes, You will probably vote for McCains best fried Rick Davis, who continued to Steal the American Dream, While McCain was laughing, behind the Curtin. Rick Davis pays for Corrupt Paperwork.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Vote NO for McCains Pork
Vote NO for Bailing out McCcains advisor , Rick Davis.
Watch CNN and MSNBC for Truth and Justic
McCains Afgan War will cost over 4Billion more dollars from Middle America.
Posted by: remember the Honey Bee | October 3, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am
Darn right Joe Biden won the debate !
————————————
Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?
We wont.
Posted by: PulSamsara | October 3, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am
If dodging questions and rumpling nonsense are qualification for the VP of the USA, then may God bless us All. This is the kind of stupidity that being sold to the American people for the last 8 years. Based her debate performance, she may not even win a high school debate because she did not understand either foreign and economy issues facing the nation today. Winking may win a beauty bikini contest but not qualified to be the Vice President, let alone the President of the United States.
Posted by: Jack | October 3, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
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Posted by: KITCHEN TABLE | October 3, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am
The Corrupt use Double Talk. Opposite wording.
Who wanted the SUGAR, Those who Voted agaist the RESCUE FO MIDDLE AMERICANS.
Sounds like another ‘RICK DAVIS SCAM’.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why? Mico-Grnerators.
How do the Insects SEE? Ask Power and Controls Military officials, who develope Military Equipment.
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why?
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
Republican only except Pork.
They will blame everyone, but Rick Davis.
Remember him. McCcains Advisor, who was STILL recieveing Middle Americans Money, until last Month.
McCains Top Advisor, who was helping to raise McCains Funds.
If you Vote for Corrupt Wallstreet, Then yes, You will probably vote for McCains best fried Rick Davis, who continued to Steal the American Dream, While McCain was laughing, behind the Curtin. Rick Davis pays for Corrupt Paperwork.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Vote NO for McCains Pork
Vote NO for Bailing out McCcains advisor , Rick Davis.
Watch CNN and MSNBC for Truth and Justic
McCains Afgan War will cost over 4Billion more dollars from Middle America.
They are already Trying to Pass McCains Nuclear Plan.
What happened to ALTERNITIVE ENERGIES?
McCain and Rick Davis are Liers.
Say No to INVISIBLE LIGHT Robots.
Say No to Military Bee Standards
Say No to Micro-Generators
Say No To Re-Elections
Posted by: remember the Honey Bee | October 3, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am
Come on people!!! Palin was an embarassment. She couldn’t answer the questions when asked and keep referring back to being the “energy queen”. Biden knew what he was talking about and handled the questions clearly and fully. Do you really want a person who doesn’t know what he/she is talking about. That would be highly effective when addressing foreign leaders. She was babbling for heaven’s sake and couldn’t even explain McCain’s position. The republican’s are all about ideology. They have had control of congress from 1995 through 2007 and look at the mess we are in. Remember that includes 8 years with a Republican president at the helm. How much more of this do we have to have thrown in our faces to get it.
Posted by: Donna | October 3, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am
Joe Biden’s performance was truly impressive. He has proven himself to be well-prepared to deal with the difficulties we face at at this critical time. I think he’ll be a tremendous asset to the Obama / Biden administration (and I am a life-long Republican and a woman.) Sarah Palin’s performance was merely a recitation of facts (as expected.) She didn’t even address the questions. We do not need a cheerleader as Vice President (or perhaps, even scarier, President) of the United States. Palin has no substance and no deep understanding of serious issues. She is simply clueless. I find John McCain’s selection of Sarah Palin as his running mate insulting, embarrassing, irresponsible and UNACCEPTABLE. We should have had two qualified vice presidential candidates on the debate stage last night, and that was certainly not the case. We need the brightest and the best at a time like this and McCain has not come through. He continues to insult the intelligence of the American people by positioning Palin as a “populist.” Do you really think we’re that dumb, John? This November, my vote (which has NEVER swayed from Republican) will go to Obama / Biden.
Posted by: vp | October 3, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am
Governor Palin’s patronizing wink really turned me off as did her ‘betchta’s and goshes’ and well rehearsed mechanical answers. Biden was strong, sincere, and seemed like a true leader. She was out of her league. Biden looked like a real VP candidate up against a high school debater in Palin.
Posted by: Roy | October 3, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Well said, BG. I agree completely.
I think the fact that Sarah Palin completely ignored the purpose of the debate and used the platform as an infomercial is a disgrace. We, as Americans, had a right to ANSWERS from the Vice Presidential candidates. Palin simply ignored the questions and turned the Vice Presidential Debate into a cheerleading competition. Quite frankly, as a woman, I am INSULTED. I also find it appalling that the public would let this slide. It is sexist NOT to hold Palin up to the same standards we would require of a male candidate.
As a life-long Republican, I have to admit that Biden was the only serious candidate on the stage. Palin is a joke and a gimmick. We need the brightest and the best at this critical time. Palin does not fall into this category.
McCain continues to insult our intelligence by trying to frame this woman as a “populist.” Get real. She’s simply not qualified. For the first time ever, I am not voting for the Republican Party. My vote goes to Obama/Biden this November. Hands down.
Posted by: vp | October 3, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
Let’s face it – Palin is a bimbo and an airhead who was parroting lines fed to her by desperate McCain staffers. She said nothing of substance, just tried to be cute by saying things like “darn it”, “doggone it”, and “gosh” in order to sweep up the white trash vote. The Republican Party is a shadow of its former self. It is no longer the party of Eisenhower, Reagan, or even Nixon, it’s just a ragged assortment of obese rednecks and fat-cat CEOs.
Posted by: Andrew B | October 3, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am
There was only one candidate on the stage last night with the knowledge and gravitas to be VP, and that was clearly Joe Biden. Way to go, Joe. No winkers need apply.
Posted by: Sarah | October 3, 2008, 11:24 am 11:24 am
Palin exceeded expectations only because the bar for her alone was set in the rut of a wagon wheel. Biden absolutely dominated on issues and leadership. I encourage everybody to watch the debate again. Clearly, if something were to happen to McCain, Palin would need another script to proceed – and as with the last eight years and continuing through the McCain Campaign, it will be written by GOP lobbyists.
Posted by: Libratine | October 3, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am
Granted, Palin didn’t eat her tongue. So I guess she did better than expected. But Biden wiped the floor with her. He answered every question posed and answered them brilliantly. He had a breadth of knowledge that Gov. Palin which she had. he was pleaseant, magnanomous, charming and sharp. One of them was ready to be commander-in-chief immediatley and the other one knows how to field-dress a moose. I think in a few days all the polls will show that Biden won handily.
Obama/Biden ’08
Posted by: wally | October 3, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Biden did us a favor last night. He pointed out exactly why Palin should not be VP:
Palin proved last night she does not understand the role of the Vice President.
Palin thinks that the Vice President is “flexible” as to their role in the Constitution. As Biden pointed out, that is right in Article I, and is covered within the first week of basic high school civics. There is no missing it. To not understand that is akin to going into a job interview as a basic office worker, and when asked what the anticipated role is, answering that it is supposed to be managing the company or controlling the budget. Ask yourself – would you hire someone who thinks they are that entitled, or that has so little grasp of what the role of the job is supposed to be? Why then would anyone look for that same lack of understanding in leadership?
What’s more, Biden gave us the answer to completely ruin anyone’s willingness to support Palin in this election. He correctly linked her to Cheney. Her view specifically is that Cheney views the office the way it is supposed to be viewed – which we all, all of us, know he doesn’t. Cheney’s popularity numbers are horrible, and always have been. The entire country knows that he is completely evil. It’s a surprise that he doesn’t have throngs of people every day throwing rotten vegetables at him. He is as close to being a melodramatic villain as anyone will ever see in real life, and Palin thinks he’s right.
If our side has any sense at all, they will repeat this point over and over again, starting right now. Tie her to Cheney with steel cable. Make sure every time her name is mentioned, Cheney’s is too. What popularity she has because of her “folksy charm” and idiotic winking at the cameras will evaporate in a hurry.
Posted by: EstimatedProphet | October 3, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am
Truly last night was amazing to watch. Biden looked reserved and Palin looked scared as if this was her last “lifeline”. I expected Biden to be a bit more colorful with his information although he was very clear and consise. I, too, was offended by the constant smirking, winking, grinning of Palin. It didn’t seem as though she realized that this is people’s lives that they are asking to have an impact on. She looked at it more as a debate/forensics match. I like her look and her confidence but I do believe she is a robot and if she could do this all over again, she would have declined to be on the ticket. The wink, the smirk, etc leaves the door open for sexism. Men don’t do that when talking business. It seemed as though she was flirting with the American people to get them to do what she wanted.
I do feel for Republicans though because this is what they have on their ticket. Truth be told, they’re not totally happy with but it’s what they have. Same for the Democrats. I personally don’t think Biden should have been the VP pick, but it is what it is.
This is a big mess, yet I still think that using pure wisdom, the Obama/Biden ticket is the best chance to move forward for our future. It’s not about who you like, it’s about who can get the job done and McCain just ain’t gon’ do it. If he won, he’d be so glad he won, he’d probably have a heart attack. I don’t even think he’d run the Oval Office. It would be his wife and Palin herself.
Posted by: Ms. W | October 3, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
Also, the huge news yesterday was that the McCain campaign is forfeiting Michigan. This was their best chance at turning a blue state red. I think that we are witnessing a monumental collapse that will leave the Republican party dessimated. They now have to win either PA, WI or NH and he will win none of them. That point is backed up by the fact that they are trying to bleed 1 electoral vote out of Maine.
Meanwhile, the smartest and most efficiant campaign in modern history has a plethera of ways to get to 270. They are winning if not tied in FL, OH, NM, CO, NV, VA, and NC. If Obama wins either Florida or Ohio and keeps all the Kerry states he is the next president of the US.
I think we should all take a step back and look at what is really happening here. The Obama campaign and the CW said at the time that they will be redrawing the map. They said they would be flipping red states and that once the race turned to an issues debate and the public started to get engaged that they would start to pull away. And low and behold they are beginning to be proven right. Now I know that we are a few weeks out and that anything can happen, but which campaign would you rather be right now, McCains or Obamas.
For the next few weeks Obama will begin to hammer home the idea that McCain is a Bush clone and that we can not afford another 4 years like the last 8.
Obama will win and win BIG!!!
Obama/Biden ’08
Cahnge we can beleive in!!
Posted by: wally | October 3, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am
Beside some members of the media and a few republicans (who earn a living by being pundits) no thinking person could describe Palin’s comments were anything but unsophisticated and unseasoned! Her attempts at asserting herself into our lives by being “folksie and America’s sweetheart” belong in a beauty pagent and not a debate for VP. As others have said, her responses were unresponsive and in some cases, condescending; and from a person who HAS NOT YET “earned the right” to see herself as standing equal with the likes of Joe Biden, her behavior almost laughable.
Posted by: Sally, Atlanta | October 3, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
For Governor Palin, this was not a debate: it was merely her attempt to reaffirm every conservative talking point that we’ve heard – and seen definitively disproved – ever this campaign began. As is her wont, the Governor never lets facts interfere with her diatribes. She flagrantly ignored many questions, and instead just jammered away about her supposed accomplishments in Alaska. Frankly, the moderator should have stopped her. But by suddenly discovering that Ms. Ifil had written a book, not yet published, with Senator Obama’s name in the title – which anyone with a computer could easily have learned before Senator McCain agreed to have her moderate the debate – the campaign effectively hamstrung her. Governor Palin really thinks that her good looks will carry the day, and so is arrogant beyond all reasonable belief. And as for homespun charm, hasn’t this country had eight years too many of someone who routinely butchers our mother tongue? If I hear “nukular” once more, as I did in this debate, I’ll scream. Please America, let’s stop pandering to the lowest common denominator. Our nation is the laughing stock of every nation out there. Vote Obama/Biden on November 4.
Posted by: Stu | October 3, 2008, 11:59 am 11:59 am
Very well said by Scottie Groover in his comments.
On the debates, Biden was brilliant and showed why he is right VP candidate.
Posted by: VJ | October 3, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm
The one chance we get to hear a serious discourse from the VP candidates, and we get a grinning, winking Beauty Queen, refusing to answer questions. It was like Jessica Simpson doing her Daisy Duke impression, vs. Biden, a serious candidate. One was presidential, the other, a gimmick.
And he successful took her one true area of “expertise” — the kitchen table worries — right out of her grasp with his heartfelt explanation of being a single father.
Obama/Biden ’08. And after last night, I’d also be happy to flip the ticket; Biden/Obama!
Posted by: VoteSmart1 | October 3, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
More than once I’ve read that the ultimate “winner” of a debate is not the one who knows all the facts, and answers all the questions, the winner is the candidate that manages to create an emotional connection with the viewer. Fair or not, at the end of the day, most of the facts and details will be forgotten. The emotional impressions, however, will not.
Palin & Co. no doubt knew this, hence her ‘in your face’ gosh darn ‘folksy’ness, her winking and grinning at the camera and constantly talking about her family and Alaska. She used it as a prop when she felt cornered, couldn’t remember her notes, needed a ‘filler’. What she did not do, however, is debate. She recited. She used cheat sheets. She performed. She also attempted to impress by letting it be known, right from the start, that she was calling the shots, not the moderator, and would only answer Gwen Ifill’s questions if and when she felt like it. (I guess Team Palin thought this would make her look ‘up for the job’, not realizing school yard bullies no longer impress).
Fortunately for us, she and her advisers were not savvy enough to appreciate the human’s inate ability to subconsciously tell the difference between authenticity, and a sham. She and her advisers failed to sense the pulse of the (majority of the) electorate. After 8 years of Joe Six Pack leadership, it has now become buyer beware. The polls in both debates clearly demonstrate, perhaps more than by any other yardstick, that the electorate can no longer be played as fools. We’re onto them.
Back to emotions. Without a doubt, the candidate who connected with us was Joe Biden. We all felt his pain when he spoke of the loss of his wife and child. In response, all Palin could do was brush it off. At that moment the “real Palin” let down her guard and showed us her true colors.
Joe was miles above the phony bit part actor from “North to Alaska”. He connected with all of us. We instinctively knew he was the real deal. As if that wasn’t good enough, he also effortlessly demonstrated his knowledge, honesty, integrity and strength of character. He showed us how Presidential he is.
With Obama/Biden there is more than just hope. There is also trust and most importantly, they make us feel safe.
Joe Biden turned out to be the Dark Horse of the debate. The folksy barbie doll? Nah, not so much.
Posted by: klsb | October 3, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm
McCain has a fetish about beauty contestants – the only reason he chose sarah palin. Remember cindy mcCain was also a beauty contestant.
You Dirty o’l man.
Posted by: chad22 | October 3, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm
I think Joe Biden did an excellent job last night. He came across as a solid, experienced and thoughtful man, very much aware of the concerns of middle-class families while also having a thorough grasp of international issues. I could easily picture him handling himself very well in difficult dealings with international leaders, and if – heaven forbid – he were forced to step into the role of President for any reason, I believe he has the qualities he would need to rise to that challenge.
Sarah Palin, OTOH, was embarrassing even to watch, and the fact that ANYONE believes for a moment that she could function as President – if need be – is both bewildering and terrifying to me. First of all, she didn’t debate, she gave a performance. She recited things shed memorized by rote and her cleverness, if one can call it that, consisted of juggling the little cue cards in her head well enough to have words relatively on topic to say most of the time. Recitation punctuated by gosh darns, sarcastic smirks and inappropriate winks does not a good debater make, and it’s so far away from what’s needed in a VP as to be frightening. I’ve come to the conclusion that she really is stupid enough not to understand the depth of her ignorance or the inappropriateness of her arrogance. She genuinely believes she’s perfectly qualified to step in and handle the President’s job tomorrow, if need be. That level of stupidity is mind-boggling, and the thought of this woman as a potential Commander-in-Chief is terrifying. The only thing scarier is the fact that there are millions of Americans willing to vote for this dunce. Then again, they voted for W, the male country-club version. Didn’t people used to want a smart, knowledgeable, capable person to be their President?
Posted by: Joanna D. | October 3, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Biden is a statesman, and he really showed his best last night.
Palin is a cheerleader, and she really showed her best last night.
I’m voting to end the Republican stranglehold on our nation.
Obama/Biden ’08 ’12
Posted by: Jerry Ulibarri | October 3, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm
Palin spoke in complete sentences most of the time. I’ll give her that. Unfortunately, she said practically nothing. As they say, “If you can’t bedazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with [straight talk].”
My sister-in-law said, “But, she’s so charming!”
So’s Elmo, but he shouldn’t be vice president, either!
Posted by: Stu | October 3, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm
The bottom line is: Obama/Biden can be TRUSTED and MCain/Palin cannot. There is NO confidence in McCain, his record, his temperment, his age/health and Palin performed at the level of a grade 12 debate; we cannot TRUST her to have anywhere near what it takes to be vp or president (shudder).
There was once a time when our nation was confident and appealing to the world and respected; we will not get this with McC/Pal. and the rest of the Republican gang.
I kept thinking how nice it would be to feel proud again if Obama/Biden were elected; truly a fresh, intelligent, confident and new direction. I can’t wait for the smell to be gone from this Republican party administration and a collective breath of fresh air to be ushered in for all of us. We can begin a new chapter in what has made America great.
Posted by: jt1 | October 3, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm
The 2nd highest job in the U.S. requires someone with supple undertsanding of past and present issues in America, and the facility with logical thought to accurately deduce probabilities. He or she must have intellectual curiosity and a drive to understand matters as they come up; someone articulate and professional, who balances strong intellect with compassion.
Joe Biden exemplified all this and more last night. I had been really puzzled about why Obama chose him as his running mate, because I had not really heard him speak. Now I know why he was chosen.
He is ready to fill the President’s shoes if, God forbid, the need should arise.
Posted by: Anne | October 3, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
The pundits who are saying that Palin won the debate are as out of it as Palin. Palin was not even in the same league as Joe Biden. No rational, intelligent person could come away from the debate thinking Palin was ready to be the VP, or G_D forbid president of our country. We have had this type of candidate the last eight years in our White House,
Enough is Enough.
YES WE CAN OBAMA
Posted by: Barbara Matsui | October 3, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Biden did excellent. Palin sounded like a hollow shill. Biden answered questions thoughtfully and directly. Palin sounded like she was running for the PTA again. Does this person have an original thought in her winking head??? I used to like McCain before he hired Palin. Not now, no way. This is too important to trust to someone who is as amazingly unqualified as she is. She ought to do McCain a favor — step down and head back to Wasilla and the moose. That is clearly where her talents lie.
Posted by: Bail out the Middle Class! | October 3, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Did you see the look Biden’s saintly wife give Palin at the end of the debate? That with all of Biden’s Joker-like grinning says a lot about the moose-hating Democratic elitists. Last time I saw someone grin like that I had just agreed to buy a used car for more than it was worth and that would self-destruct in 5 months. He reminds me of Jack Nicholson in the Shining when he grins like that. Someone could do a great morph ad on that.
Posted by: Mad Jayhawk | October 3, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
The Corrupt use Double Talk. Opposite wording.
Who wanted the SUGAR, Those who Voted agaist the RESCUE FO MIDDLE AMERICANS.
Sounds like another ‘RICK DAVIS SCAM’.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why? Mico-Grnerators.
How do the Insects SEE? Ask Power and Controls Military officials, who develope Military Equipment.
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
We are Power and Controls little Honey Bees.
They are dying off. Why?
Call your house rep. and Vote NO to collecting their Honey.(money)
Vote Independant.
Republican only except Pork.
They will blame everyone, but Rick Davis.
Remember him. McCcains Advisor, who was STILL recieveing Middle Americans Money, until last Month.
McCains Top Advisor, who was helping to raise McCains Funds.
If you Vote for Corrupt Wallstreet, Then yes, You will probably vote for McCains best fried Rick Davis, who continued to Steal the American Dream, While McCain was laughing, behind the Curtin. Rick Davis pays for Corrupt Paperwork.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Say NO to the Bailout for Rick Davis.
Vote NO for McCains Pork
Vote NO for Bailing out McCcains advisor , Rick Davis.
Watch CNN and MSNBC for Truth and Justic
McCains Afgan War will cost over 4Billion more dollars from Middle America.
They are already Trying to Pass McCains Nuclear Plan.
What happened to ALTERNITIVE ENERGIES?
McCain and Rick Davis are Liers.
Say No to INVISIBLE LIGHT Robots.
Say No to Military Bee Standards
Say No to Micro-Generators
Say No To Re-Elections
If Congress can take Vacation…
Middle Americans NEED a Vacation.
Middle Americans need to Relax and let Wallstreet Fall.
Posted by: remember the Honey Bee | October 3, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm
After watching Palin in her interviews with Charley and Katie, I thought” McCain can’t possibly be serious”, but I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt and wait until the Debate, where she’ll have to answer tough questions in a formal setting. Well, you know what they say about first impressions. I said 2 extra prayers last night; the first, that John McCain does not win this election, and the second, if he does, the Good Lord keeps him alive for at least 4 years!
Posted by: 55razor | October 3, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
Shame on the moderator for not asking the follow-up questions. I have nothing against Gov. Palin, I just would like someone that can think be my President. Putting aside the experience issue, just think, my 17 month old grandson attempts to form his words but I still can’t understand all his words “juice, milk, mine”. I want a VP that could do a little better.
Posted by: Pricilla, Fontana CA. | October 3, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
I guess the Democrats think that we should change the constitutional qualifications for being president to include being a Harvard graduate so the next time they run a candidate with zero qualifications they can have something in the person’s background that they can legitimately point to.
Posted by: Mad Jayhawk | October 3, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
Everyone has said it already so I can’t really add anything more to the embarassment we witnessed last night named Sarah Palin. Yet there are people who think she won and continue to support her? I don’t get it.
I am anxious every day – hoping and praying to get through the day with no McCain stunts/surprises. If we can just make it Nov. 4th, then the world can breathe a sigh a relief. Something in me though fears that McCain and the GOP will not go silently into the night knowing they will lose – they have something up their sleeve? Bin Laden tape? Israel/US strike on Iran? Maybe they know where Bin Laden is hiding and McCain will suspend his campaign and go get him himself? I hope my fears are just paranoia. I know one thing though – when Obama is announced the winner on the night of Nov. 4th, the world – and I mean the entire world – will be celebrating in the streets. I predict that this is going to be a historical night unlike anything most of us have seen in our lifetime. I’ve already requested off on Nov. 5th because I’m not planning to sleep!
Posted by: Mike S. | October 3, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm
bg: i agree. i’ve lived in small american towns most of my life and i don’t know anyone who talks that way. most people go out of their way not to talk that way. the only time i’ve heard it is when movie stars or politicians pretend to be “regular americans.” it’s insulting. this woman was raised by school teachers? i have plenty of school teachers in my family and i am willing to bet money that she did not grow up speaking that way.
by the way – the palins finally released their financial reports. they are millionaires. they make 5 times what the average alaskan makes.
Posted by: mara | October 3, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm
This should not be about whether Palin was better than what was expected. Or whether Biden did or didn’t wipe her off the table with his knowledge and experience. It’s about who will be the second most powerful person in Washington. People say the VP decision isn’t that important. I beg to differ. The second most powerful person in the US government and not seen as that important? Do you want to run your company with a good CEO but a CFO who knows nothing of how finances work? Or a COO who knows nothing of commerce? Maybe not.
So I looked at the two candidates with two questions in mind:
1. Who would best be able to help a President achieve the change he is promising?
2. Who do you want to make the decisions and represent your country if the President isn’t there?
That should be easy.
http://angryafrican.net/2008/10/03/biden-vs-palin-you-betcha-or-what-i-want-in-a-vice-president/
Posted by: Angry African | October 3, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
Wow,
the commenters here for the most part are detailing a better account of the debate than the pundits. Great Job!
Obama08!
Posted by: Mike Z | October 3, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
Thanks, bg for the great comment about people who live in small towns.
We live in a town of 126 people and I do not relate at all to Palin’s stereotypes of the way we talk, think, and behave.
The “aw shucks” Joe Six Pack crowd does not live here…
We are paying attention to content, not to generalities and avoiding questions and disrespecting the debate process.
Posted by: dlaw | October 3, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Well done, Senator Biden.
Posted by: laurel | October 3, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Joe, you were brilliant. Thank you for making at least one half of the “debate” worthwhile, and thank you for not talking to me as if you – or I – were a nitwit.
Posted by: Gentlewomanfarmer | October 3, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I agree, shame on the moderator for not calling Sarah Liar for followup questions or to keep her on point. Then we really would have seen how inept she is.
Each time she turned a question to the little fluff she knew – either Wasilla, energy, taxes, lied about Sen. Obama’s record or Joe’s when those were not the questions. Shame again, Gwen Ifil, for not pressing her to keep on point. This is a huge travesty to the debates. It was so uneven. The American pople deserved better. ( PS:Joe should have
looked more in the camera and directed his remarks more to the audience…)
Posted by: Constance Mitchell | October 3, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Joe Biden was brilliant!! He was at his best!! It was a thrill to watch him!! Palin is so out of her league. She didn’t even answer most of Gwen’s questions. She just kept repeating the same campaign talking points over and over. Joe Biden was the best I’ve ever seen him!! Go Joe!! Obama-Biden ’08!!!!
Posted by: Emily | October 3, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Scottie,- Just a wonderful characterization and deserving of a thank you. I note only one error: length of time the Obamas have been married. Today is their 16th anniversary. But then Barack thought it was 15, so who’s counting? Otherwise spot on.
Having raised my family in Fairbanks, Alaska and been somewhat close to state politics for many years, I can correctly say there aren’t enough words to describe how unique a state it is and will never be anywhere near mainstream America. The whole state has fewer people (683,470 as of July 2007) than the Illinois senate district Obama served for 8 years. And while I’m glad to see Wasilla has evidently grown into a little town with issues and disputes over the last 20 years, even by Alaskan standards, I’m certain it’s still small – just a drive-through somewhat north of the giant city of Anchorage, population was 279,671 or 41% of the state. Further, almost a quarter of state citizens are Native Alaskans who live in remote villages. In Alaska the lower 48 is referred to as “Outside.” If you’re going south you say “I’m going Outside” a place everyone knows and good enough to inform.
As states go, Alaska has a very weak governor and a powerful legislature. Always has, always will. The Permanent Fund dividend Alaskan’s receive each year from interest earned on the oil money revenues that make the state so wealthy has been around since the pipeline was built and a Supreme Court decision then consented to a challenge so that anyone living in Alaska for over 6 months could participate. I’ve yet to read the local press’s take on the accuracy of Sarah Palin’s remarks about how she’s dealt with the oil companies, but I question her comments about her involvement. The natural gas pipeline she touted has been planned for over 20 years, but early on the companies chose to cap in the gas because the price didn’t justify building the pipeline. In recent years it became evident that it was time, but I find it hard to believe that Sarah Palin had anything to do with it. I think I recall conversations years ago that the gas would have to be released sometime but I can’t verify that.
Like I said, I could go on and on. But it’s my belief that Sarah Palin wouldn’t have the slightest understanding of economic principles, particularly when the source of funds is the taxpayer and not oil revenues. The whole idea of Palin being supported, even nominated, for such a high office, is a frightening statement on the dumbing down of America and tells me all I need to know about John McCain.
Posted by: OregonPeaches | October 3, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
That’s like someone saying it
didn’t hurt a bit after being run
over by a Bus!
Palin won hands down!
Now McCain and Palin are 2-0 after the
first two debates despite what the
polls from the Democrat Trolls in the Media at ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN etc show!
Obama and Dopey Joe Biden can start
writing their concession speeches now!
Posted by: reaganfan | October 3, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
I would like to know what debate did the cnn ( who are usually on point)and some other news teams watched. Because the performance that Sarah Palin put on was deplorable, better than her others but not up to par. My expectations are very high for any person that sits in or compliments the oval office. I was totally taken aback that sarah palin would get on national and international airways and act a fool and speak like one. i have read so many comments about how horrible they thought she performed. Let’s tell the truth.
Posted by: bc1913 | October 3, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
All of you Dem Kool-Aid drinkers who
think Biden won the debate must have
been watching something else!
Palin won by a mile!
Biden tried to say that he only voted
to give Bush the authority to
talk up more sanctions at the UN and Palin called him on it!
Everyone who voted for the bill knows that it authorized Bush to go to war
with Iraq and that includes Hillary
Clinton, Joe Biden, and John McCain!
Biden like Obama is a liar and a fraud!
Posted by: reaganfan | October 3, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Palin tried hard to hang in there. She’s a bullshitter… full of talking points. She failed mainly because she didn’t – and couldn’t – distinguish herself and McCain from the Bush administration.
Palin kept saying Biden was looking back and not to the future – but we know the real on this – McCain-Palin do not want to deal with the last 8 years of failures, and they can’t demonstrate not one thing…not one fundamental policy where they would be different from Bush. And Biden did not let her off the hook about this, not one time. He was awesome !
Palin said she wants to talk straight to the American people, but the truth is she kept lying to the American people about McCain’s record, and I am so very glad that Biden didn’t let that stand. He told us the “REAL” and “TRUE” record of McCain and he told us why McCain is so very wrong on domestic and foreign issues. Sen. Biden so expertly told us – an ddemostrated with substantive policies – how only the Obama-Biden ticket are the “REAL” change that we need. And he is correct !
Sen. Biden won this debate. He was strong and precise. He showed a command of the issues. He gave excellent facts and answers.
It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children. It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !
Sheryl for Obama-Biden in 2008 and 2012 !
Posted by: Barack Obama IS Our next president and Joe Biden is the VP | October 3, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Palin didn’t win anything. Regardless of the excessive attempts to gloss over Governor Palin’s performance, the fact remains that she lacked substance and seemed to change the topic when she did not have an answer- which was nearly every question. The truly sad part of it is that expectations were so low that all she had to do was show up and speak in coherent sentences to “win”.
Posted by: dave | October 3, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
We aren’t voting for national hockey mom of the year here. If we were she’d get my vote – talks and acts just like my sister-in-law.
Wait my sister-in-law could be VP! I’ll suggest that to her.
Posted by: wrgaff | October 3, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
I am from Dallas and I can tell you that the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders require more insight and intelligence in their women than Palin exhibited last night.
Watch the tryouts sometime on CMT and see the interviews about current events and random questions at any time about something going on in the world. They don’t want just empty airheads on top of a pretty body that can dance. They also want women who can visit important people and talk to them intelligently WITHOUT NOTES.
I would think we would require at least that of our VP or president. At least.
Posted by: Becky | October 3, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Palin seemed overly rehearsed and patronizing with her over the top “down home” lines, almost sounding like a caricature of herself.
Joe Biden seemed somber and real. I was struck dead in my tracks when he chocked up talking about his kid maybe not making it. That was powerful
Posted by: Perry | October 3, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
When we voted in a drunken cowboy – guess what he ran the country like a drunken cowboy.
So their choice now is to vote for a gambling cowboy? No offense to cowboys.
Posted by: wrgaff | October 3, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Joe Biden was amazing last night. He instilled confidence and trust in me as I listened to his depth and understanding of the SERIOUS issues facing the US and the world. Big complicated problems are not solved with quick cute answers and a shallow understanding of the issues. Sarah Palin is frightening, absolutely frightening. Who in their right mind would not think twice when asked to be VP? She is nuts!!!! Sarah and all those behind her, you are not fooling us. She is no more ready to be VP than I am. I pray everyday that good ole American common sense will shine through when we step up to our ballot and cast THE most important vote of the past 56 years of my lifetime at least. I will proudly and with much hope in my heart cast my vote for Obama/Biden.
Posted by: susan Poloway | October 3, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Obviously, the Republicans tnink they
have chosen Cinderella for VP. Too
bad she sounds more like Goofey.
Posted by: carolyn hicks | October 3, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
I thought both candidates did well. However, I noticed that Gov. Palin seemed to be reading a lot of her responses, particularly in the latter part of the debate. Were they allowed to have note cards?
Posted by: Jim | October 3, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
I watched the VP debate and was blown away at the ineptitude of Ms Palin. Her total lack of ability to speak without notes, and above all to speak in complete sentences, was amazing. Why all the blinking? Since when does a debater decide to not answer questions and why did the Moderator not call her on this? I have watched many many debates in my life but never one as weird as this one. Mr. Biden was obviously more knowlegable and courteous, so he made sense to me, but Ms Palin was very hard to follow on many of her disertations. Was she acting or is this the way she normaly talks? It was all pretty amazing and also a but amusing, but hardly serious!
I’m glad I don’t have to vote in this election.
Posted by: Mado in Ontario | October 3, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Some have said that this election is as much a referendum on who we are as anything else. And if the general sense of this forum is the norm we will be o.k. This forum is certainly far a head of the pundits who have this thing about being measured and balanced — even when things are so horribly out of wack and the candidates so miss matched respecting virtue and competence.
It is wonderful to hear so many folks from rural communities validate my impression that “Palinese” is an idiomatic form of speech even foreign to their ears.
Although we are “smug” New Yorkers we get to the country on a regular basis and have traveled through much of the west and mid west without encountering anyone who speaks as she does. Thus the question, “Where did she learn to speak this way?”.
I think we are going to be o.k. — I think the nation is begining to get it. What? Palin and McCain are clueless. The ride ahead will almost certainly be a bit bumpy. But at least the tiller will be in capable, thoughtful hands.
Obama/Biden 08
Posted by: all ears | October 3, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
I find Sarah Palin despicable. She hauls out her “special needs” infant like a campaign prop. She cares nothing for the needs of the country. How could she? She doesn’t even know what they are! She talked about government getting out of the way. She doesn’t believe that. She used her seat to try to get Trooper Wooten fired and inquired into book banning. She feels government should be on our bodies when she wants, in our libraries when she wants, but off her ambitions and desires. She wants everyone to prop her up, ask her only the questions she wants asked, demand nothing intellectually from her and cheer her on. She is a joke. Please get her away from our blessed country.
Posted by: Laura | October 3, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Mad Jayhawk:
Bush went to Harvard, too and ruined every business attempt he was handed.
Abject failure, then, now and forever.
Perhaps you would like to see a Constitutional ammendment to qualify only those that were legacy brats that graduated at the botton 1% of their classes like McCain.
Posted by: CCK in PA | October 3, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
They all have notes, They also take notes so they can rebutt. I think you democrats just want to attack Obama looked at his note alot and also avoided questions but of course he has the kool-aid
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 3, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
This is still about Vice President of the United States.
Not Vice President of Burger King.
Palin is just out of her league.
Biden nailed it!!!
Posted by: Chapman | October 3, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Joe Biden’s 14 Lies
1. TAX VOTE: Biden said McCain voted “the exact same way” as Obama to increase taxes on Americans earning just $42,000, but McCain DID NOT VOTE THAT WAY.
2. AHMEDINIJAD MEETING: Joe Biden lied when he said that Barack Obama never said that he would sit down unconditionally with Mahmoud Ahmedinijad of Iran. Barack Obama did say specifically, and Joe Biden attacked him for it.
3. OFFSHORE OIL DRILLING: Biden said, “Drill we must.” But Biden has opposed offshore drilling and even compared offshore drilling to “raping” the Outer Continental Shelf.”
4. TROOP FUNDING: Joe Biden lied when he indicated that John McCain and Barack Obama voted the same way against funding the troops in the field. John McCain opposed a bill that included a timeline, that the President of the United States had already said he would veto regardless of it’s passage.
5. OPPOSING CLEAN COAL: Biden says he’s always been for clean coal, but he just told a voter that he is against clean coal and any new coal plants in America and has a record of voting against clean coal and coal in the U.S. Senate.
6. ALERNATIVE ENERGY VOTES: According to FactCheck.org, Biden is exaggerating and overstating John McCain’s record voting for alternative energy when he says he voted against it 23 times.
7. HEALTH INSURANCE: Biden falsely said McCain will raise taxes on people’s health insurance coverage — they get a tax credit to offset any tax hike. Independent fact checkers have confirmed this attack is false
8. OIL TAXES: Biden falsely said Palin supported a windfall profits tax in Alaska — she reformed the state tax and revenue system, it’s not a windfall profits tax.
9. AFGHANISTAN / GEN. MCKIERNAN COMMENTS: Biden said that top military commander in Iraq said the principles of the surge could not be applied to Afghanistan, but the commander of NATO’s International Security Assistance Force Gen. David D. McKiernan said that there were principles of the surge strategy, including working with tribes, that could be applied in Afghanistan.
10. REGULATION: Biden falsely said McCain weakened regulation — he actually called for more regulation on Fannie and Freddie.
11. IRAQ: When Joe Biden lied when he said that John McCain was “dead wrong on Iraq”, because Joe Biden shared the same vote to authorize the war and differed on the surge strategy where they John McCain has been proven right.
12. TAX INCREASES: Biden said Americans earning less than $250,000 wouldn’t see higher taxes, but the Obama-Biden tax plan would raise taxes on individuals making $200,000 or more.
13. BAILOUT: Biden said the economic rescue legislation matches the four principles that Obama laid out, but in reality it doesn’t meet two of the four principles that Obama outlined on Sept. 19, which were that it include an emergency economic stimulus package, and that it be part of “part of a globally coordinated effort with our partners in the G-20.”
14. REAGAN TAX RATES: Biden is wrong in saying that under Obama, Americans won’t pay any more in taxes then they did under Reagan.
Posted by: Kelly | October 3, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm
Ifill, I think, has managed to set herself up (whether she intended this or not) not as the reason for Palin having failed, but for Palin not having been called out.
Palin’s debating style was like that of a dodgem car – all over the place, ramming into bumpers, and having no clear path, fuelled by a sparking, tenuous link to the Republican grid.
Dodgems are fine for a day out at the fair. But they’re useless for long distance driving.
Posted by: Suzanne | October 3, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Thanks, but no thanks. I do not want Joe Six Pack for Vice President.
Ditto for: Hockey Mom, The Gosh-Darn Girl Next Door, Someone I’d Have A Brew With, Mommy With The Baby Prop, and Maverick McCain’s Sidekick.
I don’t care what the Republicans dress their Barbie Doll in. I want to see honor and dignity restored to the White House.
I want to see Joe Biden in there.
Ditto for the guy he’s running with.
Posted by: MJ | October 3, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Thanks, but no thanks. I do not want Joe Six Pack for Vice President.
Ditto for: Hockey Mom, The Gosh-Darn Girl Next Door, Someone I’d Have A Brew With, Mommy With The Baby Prop, and Maverick McCain’s Sidekick.
I don’t care what the Republicans dress their Barbie Doll in. I want to see honor and dignity restored to the White House.
I want to see Joe Biden as Vice President.
Posted by: MJ | October 3, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Biden not only defeated Palin, he did so with the grace of a statesman and a twinkle in his eye. Outclassed her in every respect and allowed her to escape with her dignity.
Posted by: Mary | October 3, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Wow! So many posts from deperate
Democrats!
Here’s a question for you, if
Biden won the debate and Sarah Palin
was and is so bad, what are you
worried about?
The Number of anti-Palin posts here
tells me that you folks know that
Palin won the debate easily and ypu’re
worried that the recent shift in the polls to Obama is over!
You’ve got a reason to worry!
Joe Biden was Pathetic Last Night!
He even tried to lie about his pro-war
vote by claiming that he was giving
President Bush the authority to use
sanctions against Iraq!
Everyone but Dopey Joe Biden knows it was a vote giving Bush the authority to go to war against Iraq!
Cheer up Obama supporters maybe Barack
can run again in 4 years after he gets some valuable experience in the Senate!
Not This Time!
Posted by: reaganfan | October 3, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
It seems nearly unanimous that Governor Palin exceeded expectations and did well.
Just a question for you folks considering voting for McCain/Palin: even after her performance last night, how would you feel if Palin ascended to the presidency in the untimely demise of John McCain?
I, for one, would be terrified. Beneath the folksy language and cute demeanor lies a person with no understanding of the major issues of the day. Sorry, as president you don’t get to keep changing the subject back to “energy issues”.
Posted by: Leo | October 3, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
reaganfan, I don’t think anyone is worried about Palin. But this is a blog and people are just voicing their opinion about her. Her winning the debate is just in the eye of the beholder. You do realize that she didn’t always answer the questions. And I doubt very seriously she changed anyone’s mind who to vote for. Regarding the shift in the polls to Obama, I think it has to do with the economic crisis. People seem to trust him more than McCain on this issue.
Posted by: annie | October 3, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
I thought Palin came across better than she did in the Couric interviews, but still it was clear that she doesn’t have any depth of knowledge. It was hard to figure out what she just said at times, and she is not eloquent.
Joe Biden came across just as “real” and Joe Everybody as she does, but the difference is that he clearly has a depth of knowledge and he clearly sets out his positions and you can follow his answers. He also came across as a real gentleman.
I would vote for Joe in a heartbeat.
I can see that she would be effective in some respects and if you loved Bush you will love her as well.
Posted by: SusieQ | October 3, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
To Mary who argues that Democrats are posting on this blog because their candidate lost.
We post irrespective of whether we came out on top or not. We’ll be here on November 5th, trying to share our unique insight, or special moment that creates a victory for Obama. In sharing we get confirmation of our assessment. This is formally known as “social networking”.
In the same way, I envision Repugs posting heavily on November 5th bemoaning what could have been, doing postmortems on a failed campaign. Repugs tend to be ruthless following a defeat, as they were in 2006, when dear Rummy was sent packin’ (I have decided to drop my “g” too to become more folksy)
Posted by: ChandraSF | October 3, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm
Joe made me cry when he spoke about his family.
Palin’s winking, otoh, made me feel nauseous. She think this is a reality TV show or something?
Posted by: johnny | October 3, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
There’s nothing innately wrong with someone who’s a Joe Six-Pack or a Hockey Mom being VP.
There is, however, something innately wrong with someone who is *just* a Joe Six-Pack or a Hockey Mom being VP.
I love a personal story as much as the next person, but they only work when they’re the icing on an already substantive cake.
People keep bringing up former govs turned President like Reagan and Clinton. Reagan was a 2 term governor of the 5th largest economy in the world. Bill Clinton was a 2 term governor of a state that is much larger and more representative of the US as a whole than the exotic and rarefied Alaska, and was a Yale law graduate and a Rhodes scholar.
Similarly, Barack Obama has four years in national politics and 11 years in state politics, where he represented a district in Illinois more populous than Palin’s entire state. And everyone knows his educational credentials.
There’s just no comparison.
Posted by: dsk | October 3, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm
Joe Biden did a great job lastnight. He proved a lot to me. Obama and Biden are the better candidates to me. I’m voting Obama/Biden on November 4, 2008
Posted by: Destiny1028 | October 3, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm
I was so proud of Joe Biden. Sarah Palin came accross as a nice but out of her depth person who absolutely has no qualifications to be vice-president. The McCain gimmick of picking a woman just because Hillary didn’t get the vp nod is not even plausible. Why not someone with experience like Kay Bailey Hutchinson? John McCain proved to us what his judgment is and I want none of it. Go Obama/Biden!!!
Posted by: Linda J | October 3, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Joe Biden was wonderful! I am so glad he is on the ticket. Thanks, Joe!!!
Posted by: Lisa Moore | October 3, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
The only Kool Aid drinkers who commented here are the Republicans actually thinking that Caribou Barbie actually had anything to say last night. Talking points galore and bad ones at that, refusing to answer questions and the God awful winks and “shout out”! Put down the Kool Aid and take off the rose colored glasses, Palin is a joke and everyone knows that except the 25 percent who still think Bush is doing a good job. This site is ABC news people, not the Daily KOS, these posters are middle americans not lefty communists. Face it, Palin is barely qualified to be governor of one of the smallest states in the union much less be VP.
Posted by: DWHarper | October 3, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
OBAMA IS THE “GOLDEN BOY” SELECTED BY THE DNC AND BIASED MEDIA.
I watched the debate between Governor Palin (5 weeks of national debate experience) versus Senator Biden (35 years of national debate experience).
Obviously, she is a quick study. Just imagine what she will be like after four years as vice president! She has been a Mayor and a Governor. She is more qualified than anyone running.
John McCain showed great judgment in choosing her.
It’s too bad the DNC and biased media didn’t “select” Biden or Hillary. OBAMA HAS BASED HIS ENTIRE CAMPAIGN ON LIES. HE HAS TOO MANY TIES TO TERRORISTS AND ANTI-AMERICANS. DON’T FORGET “God Damn America” JEREMIAH WRIGHT, PFLEGER, FARRAKHAN, AYERS, REZKO (TO NAME A FEW). BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA IS A DANGER TO OUR COUNTRY. Obama’s ties to organizations like “ACORN” caused much of the country’s mortgage foreclosure issues. ACORN IS UNDER INVESTIGATION FOR “VOTER FRAUD” IN MANY STATES! Obama is a wolf in sheep’s clothing.
I’m voting for the Honorable John McCain in November.
STOP THE DRAMA – NO OBAMA!
GET A BRAIN – VOTE McCAIN!
Posted by: REPLACE DO-NOTHING DEMS IN CONGRESS | October 3, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Mr. Coffee
I read quite a few blogs – I must say as an Independent. Your blog is the most intelligent,yet comical one seen. I will be voting Obama/Biden
Posted by: DCW | October 3, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Palin managed to fill air time without addressing the two issues most important to voters:
1) what is she/McCain specifically going to do to turn the economy around?
2) what is she/McCain specifically going to do to end the Iraq war.
My husband and I heard a lot of:
“I understand your pain”
“I’m a hockey mom/joe six pack”
“I’m a maverick”
But we didn’t hear a word from her about ending the recession and ending the Iraq war. “I feel your pain” ain’t good enough. “I feel your pain” don’t put food on our table and keep a roof over our heads.
Palin didn’t shift the independent and moderate democrats to her side because she didn’t deliver a strategy for America. No specifics for us, no vote for her–yeah, it’s really that simple.
Posted by: socalgal59 | October 3, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm
SHE MADE TONS OF ERRORS, BUT AT LEAST SHE DIDN’T RUN OFF THE STAGE AND SCREAM IN HYSTERICS, THIS LOSER IS A REAL WINNER.
Posted by: FLORIDA BABY! | October 4, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
I’m from Alaska, just down from Wasilla. I can tell you after more than ten years of her that nothing you see is real. She is the meanest, dumbest dame EVER. If you like losing not only the right to safe abortion but ALSO CONTRACEPTION, if you like banning books, victims forced to pay for their own rape kits, secrecy that would make Cheney weep and just all around lazy dumbassery, then she is your gal. Take her.
Posted by: Catherine | October 4, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am
Oh, and I left out how she and her ball and chain belonged and still do to the Alaska Independent Party, who not only LOATHE America with a capital L, but want to secede Alaska from the Union. They have a policy of having their members join other parties and get into power positions. Well, guess what. Ol’ Sarie did just that.
Posted by: Catherine | October 4, 2008, 12:40 am 12:40 am
Palin reminds me of a person agressively sellng a product with nothing more than talking points absent intimate knowledge of the product. She also reminds me of a contestant in a beauty pagent struggling to answer a question so she gives any ole answer to at least register a response. Sorry folks but simple sarah simply prove how unprepared she is for national office.
Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | October 4, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
Congratulations to Joe Biden. Job well done. That was the best debate performance I have ever seen. Bar none.
Posted by: michael Maloney | October 4, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
Of course Joe Biden won the debate because he was the only candidate debating. Palin had her talking points and actually made a few points with them but she simply did not participate in a debate. I’m not confident that she could perform under pressure if needed to based on what we have seen from her so far. She doesn’t have knowledge or experience to go on and apparently has bad instincts based on her responses to what her side calls ‘gotcha’ questions. Those are the type situations I find her initial responses most important because situations come up and need acted on instantly and most importantly correctly. She absolutely can not do that and I find that totally necessary in the vice-president who is one heartbeat away from the presidency.
Posted by: Cherie | October 4, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
“Biden made 10 actual mistakes, untruths, about McCain’s record on taxes, votes in Senate, war, economy, budget, energy, and his stands on the bailout, which he made a week before Obama. Why cannot people see how many real distortions the Obama Campaign(Chicago mean street style politics) have made?
“Posted by: Jeany/Sparklestheclown | Oct 3, 2008 9:24:21 AM”
Well, you do identify as a clown. I don’t expect clows to be capable of providing EVIDENCE for their lies against reality.
Lying is IMMORAL. Clue: Being immoral is not only not being moral; it is also not being morally superior.
Wake up: Stop being stupid.
Posted by: JNagarya | October 4, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Joe was FABULOUS.
McCain=(Bush, Cheney & Rove)
Posted by: Barbara | October 4, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm
Palin’s refusal to answer questions at the debate reminds me of Karl Rove. The House Judiciary Committee who is investigating the firing of the US Prosecutors because they did not go along with the Republican agenda subpoenaed Rove. Rove was subpoenaed and refused to show up. Palin and her husband were subpoenaed in Alaska in the Trooper gate scandal and they both refused to show up. I guess the Republicans don’t have to honor the law like the rest of us. In the debate she says she wants more power as a VP. She is already breaking the law and no one is doing anything about it. Palin is a typical Republican who believes she can wink and the law will look the other way.
Posted by: Cynthia | October 4, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
All you morons posting negative crap, remember that McCain & Biden are LONG time friends and can bet you McCain called him.
I am for Obama/Biden, but when it comes to things like this all this normal crap we all debate about should be left behind.
Posted by: mike | October 4, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm