Biden: Voters “having a difficult time” electing first African American president
ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe Reports: As Election Day looms just over two weeks away, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., said Saturday that with Republicans firing "vicious" and "dangerous" attacks at Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., voters are "having a difficult time" opting for the man who would become the nation’s first African American president.
"Undecided people are having a difficult time just culturally making the change, making the move for the first African American president in the history of the United States of America," the Democratic vice-presidential nominee said at a San Francisco fundraiser Saturday evening. "So we need to respond. We need to respond at the moment, immediately, not wait, not hang around, not assume any of this won’t stick."
"You see these vicious attacks on Barack’s character," Biden told supporters. "I mean, this is dangerous stuff these guys are doing. This stuff is on the edge. It’s on the edge. You know, there’s some folks out there in the community nationwide that aren’t as stable as others. It’s a very small minority. But having these rallies where people are showing up saying, you know, the things they’re saying – I don’t even want to repeat them — it’s not a healthy thing."
Biden cited automated GOP calls describing Obama as having "worked closely" with "domestic terrorist Bill Ayers", Virginia Republican Party chairman Jeff Frederick telling volunteers to tie Obama to Osama bin Laden, and speakers at Republican rallies referring to Barack Hussein Obama.
The six-term senator promised that Democrats would not get "banged around" like they were in 2004 when Republicans "did a hell of a good job" portraying Democratic nominee John Kerry as a "coward".
"I am so sick and tired of being, of us being banged around that they are going to have to beat me with a stick before we are going to break down," he said.
Biden hit the Bay Area for three fundraisers Saturday, helping rake in an estimated $2.2 million for the campaign. At his second event of the day, in Piedmont, Biden predicted that the ticket will experience a drop in polls this week.
"Mark my words, you’re going to see these polls drop this week," Biden forecasted. "We got a bump. We’re going to be in good shape. You’re going to see them drop. There’s nothing automatic about this at all."
In the state where former Los Angeles mayor Tom Bradley, an African American, lost the 1982 gubernatorial race after exit polls showed him leading by a wide margin, Biden attempted to assuage concerns that Sen. Barack Obama would suffer a similar fate by noting that Democrats had "the most incredible field organization in the history of American politics".
"It costs tens of millions of dollars to do this," noted Biden. "And that’s our secret weapon. That is our equalizer to when anybody talks about the Bradley effect. This is the ultimate equalizer."
Still, Biden cautioned that Obama has a tough task ahead of him in southern states such as Virginia and North Carolina, reminding supporters that Harold Ford Jr. was leading his 2006 Senate race in Tennessee before ultimately falling short.
"We’re ahead in Virginia, but the idea that we’d have a lead like they’re saying we have — we haven’t won that state in over 40 years," Biden said. "We’re leading in that state with an African-American of incredible capacity. We’re leading in North Carolina. But you also saw how we were ahead in Tennessee with a brilliant young senator last time out who was an African-American."
But Biden boasted that Obama has the capacity to withstand GOP attacks and win the White House.
"Barack Obama communicates an absolute sense and certainty that is the most typical American instinct that there is," Biden said. "That we do not have to accept circumstances as we find them. That it is totally, thoroughly within our capacity to change our circumstance. That’s why he touched those people helping feed us tonight. That’s why he touched all those white and black folks around the country. The African American population in my state and in South Carolina, and the white population in the state of Iowa. Because he means what he says. It’s not about black or white. It’s not about – it is about all being Americans."
The Delaware lawmaker noted how far the country has come to now be on the brink of possibly electing an African American president.
"I got started in the civil rights movement as a young kid in a state that had been segregated by law with the eighth largest black population in America, as a percent of population," Biden said. "And I never thought, but I prayed I’d live to see the day, when — and I never thought I could be part of it – a part of seeing to it that we for the first and significant, fundamentally significant way, put a lot of that past behind us and began to unite the nation."

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Posted by: rdf | October 19, 2008, 7:09 am 7:09 am
All these negatives attack won’t work.No this time , not this year. Enough is Enough. All these tactics will go in vain.
Posted by: I.A.T.SMITH | October 19, 2008, 7:15 am 7:15 am
the “old” John Mccain is dead…
he was killed by the “new” John mcCain, his own self fulfillment, Sarah Palin and the tactics that the “new” John mcCain is using …that the “old” John McCain called disgusting.
The old John McCain would have been offended and angry that someone would risk our nation for the choice of Sarah Palin as the back up leader of the free world.
The old John McCain would not risk radical incendiary behavior that could risk a too often existing “timothy McVeigh” mentality…being pushed over the top.
what will they say …that they did not contribute if heaven forbid there is an assasination attempt in the first weeks of Obama’s election?
how dumb do you have to be to not realize Palin’s remarks made things worse within our country not better.
It is one thing for a candidate to deride the other on issues…it is another to portray them as a “friend of the enemy”… in a chanting revelatory manner at a pep rally…
bad judgments all around
get these people off stages with microphones…and take our country back.
Posted by: dl | October 19, 2008, 7:18 am 7:18 am
Biden is absolutely correct. Negative tactics only serve to divide. Undecided voters are like children, thy have to be coddled. They can’t make adult decisions. Makes you wonder why they even vote.
Posted by: William | October 19, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am
A lot of attention has been given to race as a reason NOT to vote for Obama. Little attention has been given to race as a reason TO vote for Obama. 95% of all self perceived “minority” groups are reportedly voting for OBAMA. So along with the class warfare, we see a racial divide with only some of the “white” voters crossing the line. This country needs to stop counting people by their race. It should be illegal for the census or any applications to ask a person’s race!
Posted by: True Racial Freedom | October 19, 2008, 7:53 am 7:53 am
Reuters/Zogby within 3 points. Money cannot buy elections ( ask Perot, Forbes,..). Hilary beat him in the mid west inspite of spending 4 to 1. Also some of these money is tainted coming from overseas drugs and terrorist connections…
Trying to cover up Rezko/Ayers/Wright/Farrakhan/Jesse Jackson/Drug habits/Smoking/Bitter americans/HIgher taxes/Socialist distribution of wealth/sitting with Iran/Venezuela without conditions/Against guns/against drilling/against nuclear power/against victory in Iraq…… will behis downfall
Posted by: vs | October 19, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am
Obama wants to set up a federal WELFARE program. That is a fact. He voted many many times for huge welfare give a way programs when he was in the state senate. Obama is a leftist radical we don’t need and can’t trust.
Posted by: Duane Z | October 19, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am
John McCain is a traitor
Cindy HATES John
Vietnam vets HATE John
And I’m leaning toward intense dislike
Posted by: 9michael99 | October 19, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am
Did anyone read in the Washington Post article yesterday that McCain’s cancer has returned?
Posted by: mememe | October 19, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am
Uh yeah the tired race card again!!
Posted by: karen | October 19, 2008, 8:31 am 8:31 am
But, where is the money coming from? I’d like to think it’s coming from just individuals…like myself…white, black, Hispanic, Asian….smart people who don’t see color or race, but, see a chance for this country to do what’s right. But, really…where is the money coming from?
Posted by: pam | October 19, 2008, 8:33 am 8:33 am
LOVE CONQUERS ALL FOLKS, it’s very foolish to continue to point this race card out because there are a few bad apples on both sides of the campaign this election. Vote for the person most qualified not by race,age, sex, and or gender. The media needs to stop posting these stupid articles, because it then clearly shows a bias for the candidate they prefer in this election. Just this week a little 12 year old girl was tormented by her class mates for being Racist by just wearing a Palin t’shirt. Some folks in many communities out right claim your racists if you don’t vote Obama, so I say again this behave, while very childish, hateful and harsh, does not belong in this campaign. This is very negative publication by the media to evoke sympathetic voters emotions. Guess what it’s working. I am a woman & Hispanic and I am choosing my candidate according to his experience not color. It’s time the nonsense stops and the people rise up to the challenge of seeing clearer through this rhetoric and stand up for the HUMAN RACE we are all one, color doesn’t matter and racism is an illness that has no business in this election. However there still are a few out there with this illness, it doesn’t mean it represents all people and those of us who know the difference must make clear examples of just being Loving and Compassionate Human Beings, because guess what the world is watching, and more importantly our children… PEACE UPON US ALL!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Mel | October 19, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am
So we’re suppose to vote for Obama because he’s black. I’m not voting for him just to put him on a throne! No thank you. If this guy had better morals, seeing he was the only senator to oppose a bill protecting babies born alive from botched abortions from being left to die, or had aknowledge of economics which he absolutely DOES NOT HAVE or understand, I would vote for him. It has NOTHING to do with color of skin.If that’s the reason, then you’re in for trouble.
Posted by: william | October 19, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
My GrandMma made me the happiest person
this morning. She said after
watching the huge crowd greeted
Obama in St. Louis yesterday, she will
now vote for him.
She said a person is the person
regardless of the color. She now thinks
Obama is for the job.
Posted by: FM | October 19, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am
No, William. It has nothing to do with the colour of his skin. That’s a bonus. Black children get a chance to see that they really can get to the very top in America if they have what it takes on the inside – and black and white children get to grow up in a country that finally puts the stain of racism where it belongs – in a sad chapter of our history. But that’s the bonus part. The main event is Obama – the person. The best person to be the next President of the United States of America.
Posted by: chester burns | October 19, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
The old McCain is dead. The new McCain had turned to the Dark Side.
McCain: “Barack. I am your Father”
Barack: “Nooooooooo”
Posted by: BobC | October 19, 2008, 8:50 am 8:50 am
Obama is the most intelligent presidential candidate USA ever had. He will not only fix the economic melt down but end the unnecessary war also.
Posted by: robinson | October 19, 2008, 8:51 am 8:51 am
I find it amazing that after 2 years of the most intense scrutiny and investigation, that turned up nothing wrong done by Obama, that people continue with the smear tactics and actually believe the trash being leveled at Obama. They demand the truth but obviously want their own truth as the truth about Obama is already out there. These types of people will not accept the truth because it is not what they want to hear.
Posted by: Rob | October 19, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am
Just remember one thing…
A vote for McCain is a vote for Sarah Palin.
John McCain sold his soul to the extreme right, and endangered America through his choice of a VP running mate.
Posted by: Rob | October 19, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am
the negative color crap is the same bs that went on when jfk ran for pres—-WE CAN NOT HAVE A CATHOLIC IN THE WHITE HOUSE–PEOPLE NEED TO GROW UP.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am
The real problem is that Joe Biden is right. I personally know people that will not vote for Obama because he is black. They never get as far as issues, leadership and character. Their mind is so skewed by the color of Barack’s skin that everything else is filtered through that lens and is seen as negative.
Posted by: BobC | October 19, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
FM: Your Grandma is right, and she’s a good person – whoever she votes for! My mum (now deceased) grew up during the war years and was kind to a couple of young black brothers who didn’t get well treated by the other kids. Years later, she saw a young, black man walking towards her with a woman, and he was looking at her and smiling. She thought,”Who’s this black man, why’s he smiling at me?” and then he got closer and he grabbed her and hugged her. He introduced her to his wife. Of course, she remembered now that he was one of the brothers she’d known as a child. He was so happy to see her, said how well she’d treated him and how he never forgot her. She told me she always felt bad afterwards about her initial thoughts on seeing this black man walking towards her. “Why’s he looking at me?” She was ashamed. And she always said to me, “You never judge a person by the colour of his skin. Judge him by his character.” I’m proud of my Mum – you’re right to be proud of your Grandma. Should be more like ‘em.
Posted by: chester burns | October 19, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am
Can folks try to put the race aside.
McCain represents the best of the
past, and Obama the best of the
future.
Posted by: FM | October 19, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am
“” My GrandMma made me the happiest person
this morning. She said after
watching the huge crowd greeted
Obama in St. Louis yesterday, she will
now vote for him.
She said a person is the person
regardless of the color. She now thinks
Obama is for the job.”"”
You should have taken your grandma to the million men march by Louis Farraakhan. Maybe she will like to vote for President Farrakhan
Posted by: vs | October 19, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
FACT: “Palestinians contributed $30,000 to Obama” Don’t even try to dispute this , you Obama freaks
Posted by: vs | October 19, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am
Biden keeps saying the race keeps the whites from voting for Obama.
Why does he say this?
To pressure whites into voting for Obama.
Sorry, Biden.
It’s not about race.
It’s about leadership (lack thereof), integrity (ditto), personality (flawed), associations (ditto), wed to big money (clearly).
That’s why intelligent, understanding, patriotic voters will vote McCain/Palin.
Posted by: Canber | October 19, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am
FM,
How is Obama the “best of the future”? I don’t know about you, but I’m not fond of socialism, which however you try to slice it, is what Obama is plain and simple.
The one thing that has turned me off considerably about Obama is he tries to hide his true political ideology. He should just be open about it and let the people decide if they buy into that view.
Make no mistake, Obama is the most socialist candidate this country has ever had. It’s in his intellectual upbringing. It’s reflected in his association. It’s reflected in his voting record (as meager as it is). It’s reflected in his rhetoric (most recently, “spreading the wealthy”).
If we want to have a debate about whether this country should turn toward socialism, by all means let’s do so. But let’s not try to hide our true political colors – it’s dishonest.
Posted by: ja | October 19, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
1. Obama buys media.
2. Media says nice things about Obama.
3. People believe media.
4. People donate money to Obama.
1. Obama buys media.
2. Media says nice things about Obama.
3. People believe media.
4. People donate money to Obama.
1. Obama buys media.
2. Media says nice things about Obama.
3. People believe media.
4. People donate money to Obama.
1. Obama buys media.
2. Media says nice things about Obama.
3. People believe media.
4. People donate money to Obama.
Uhhhhhh…. see a pattern here?
Some of us aren’t so stupid to fall into this trap.
But the rest of you apparently are.
I’ll vote for real change instead.
Posted by: Dave | October 19, 2008, 9:06 am 9:06 am
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There will be a LOT more of that if he is elected!
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Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am
vs, where did you get your “facts” from? the republican news?….
Posted by: matt l. | October 19, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
GAVE AROTHER 100 YESTERDAY–SO DID MY SON.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am
YES MR MCCAIN.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am
MCCAIN WILL PAY MORE TAXES ON OBAMAS PLAN—-
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am
I gave Obama $7,000 in drug money!!!
Here’s how you do it. Just keep giving it $100 at a time so they don’t ask for your info.
Average donation under $85 bucks. Get it? I’m telling you it works.
Obama my man!
I’ll get you another 10 G homey!
Posted by: Daryle | October 19, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
MCCAINS INCOME LAST YEAR 5 MILLION—WOW THAT AINT CHICKEN FEED .
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am
The millionaires aren’t worried.
Obama will take care of his peeps.
Remember, he’s one of them.
——————————-
Warren Buffet = opportunist.
Warren buys stocks.
Warren tells us he’s buying stocks.
We all rush to emulate Warren.
Stock prices rise b/c we buy in.
Warren makes the big bucks.
The guy increased his wealth by $8 billion while the rest of America lost half of their pensions.
He and the other financiers of Wall Street know that Obama’s socialism will decimate the middle class, but the UPPER CLASS will survive just fine.
Just watch and see. There will be NO true tax increase for the wealthy under Obama. He’ll make loop-holes out the wazzooooooo.
But middle class Americans will be broken for decades.
Yes, broken. And broke.
Posted by: Mr. Dark | October 19, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
Michelle, after Palin it might take another 25 yrs. she’s an idiot….
Posted by: matt l. | October 19, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
WONDER HOW THE SONGBIRD OF HANOI FEELS NOW THAT HE IS TAKING A TROUNCING.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am
What surprises me the most is that people on these blogs know how to use the computer and they don’t check out the facts in more than one place, also haven’t they listened to the debates, so many questions answered and they still say the same stupid things. Peoples truth is what they want it to be regardless of the facts. Sad for this country and sadder for the innocent people. God bless America
Posted by: SmileAlready | October 19, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am
RDF, Yes we will win North Carolina. EARLY VOTING RESULTS OVERWHELMINGLY FAVOR OBAMA! Across the state, Democrats showed the most first-day enthusiasm. Of the nearly 114,000 first-day voters, 64 percent were Democrats, 21 percent Republicans and 15 percent were unaffiliated.
Posted by: peoples_prez | October 19, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am
MCCAIN IS BEHIND IN REPUBLICAN STATES.
WONDER WHAT HIS PROBLEM IS.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:20 am 9:20 am
Well, I just hope all of Obama’s young voters who said the he would somehow magically unite country and not provoke so much Republican hatred as Hillary clinton have learned something about politics. Republicans attack. They don’t care what the basis – race, gender or ideology — they attack. Check out this guy’s analysis. Pretty interesting! Compares the anti-Obama attacks with the anti-Bill/Hillary attacks during the ’90s. http://dissentingjustice.blogspot.com/2008/10/look-whos-divisive-now-obamas.html
Posted by: Tommy | October 19, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am
whether obama sets up a welfare or no fare system he still has my vote.
You Republicans can’t lie your way to victory this time.
Hope fully every republican in the election will lose their seat so America can move forward and leave behind the lies, racism, villification,
incompetence.
Once bitten twice shy!!
We will not allow ourselves to be taken for a ride as we did in 2000-2004.
So you republican jerkoffs can scream all you want – do all the robocalls you can. we will still kick you to the kerb
We are not stupid and ignorant as you republicans make us out to be.The free ride is over., leave america alone and go and play with Palin atleast she’s hot!!
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
Now if Mccain/Palin were to say that about the quote “black vote” because of the +90% black vote for Obama that maybe some black voters would vote for Mccain/Palin but they fear retribution from other blacks wouldn’t that also be true? Rascism in this race is a real factor both ways. So stop trying to say its just on the Caucasian side. Joe Biden is clueless and classless. For me, I am a quote white person who chooses McCain because I agree with his ideals. There are quote “black candidates” that yes I would vote for if they ran because I like their policies if they would run. Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice for example. Stop calling me as a white rascist because I don’t vote Obama. I totally disagree with his ideas. I am a single mother of one who works for a living, pays taxes and struggles day in and day out just like everone else. But you know what I can look people in the eye and say hey we are doing fine. We have a roof over our heads, food on the table, and we are ok. Now do we take vacations somewhere? No we don’t. We may go to the lake once a year. Does someone owe me their hard earned wages so that my daughter and myself can go on vacation? No they don’t. America wake up and smell the roses! Stop waiting for someone else to take care of you and take care of yourself!!!!!! We live in the greatest country in the world where it is up to you how you want to live. Noone else. If you don’t want to make the effort that is your problem not mine or the government. I had to move to a different state just to make ends meet. You may too. Its a part of life. Am I better for my struggles in life? You bet I am. America you do not want an Obama Presidency. Redistribution of wealth does nothing exept make people dependent on government and not on themselves. Its like always just strving for a C in school because hey everyone else will get the same. Noone will strive to be better because they will be taxed more.
Posted by: Colleen | October 19, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am
I think that this country is beyond selecting a president just because he is black. I think the Republicans learned that lesson with Palin. They thought that white women would vote for her just because she was a woman. The polls are showing that is not true. Obama has shown himself to be a calm, thoughtful and intelligent man. McCain on the other hand has shown himself to be everything opposite of what he says he is. He says he does not like negative attacks but yet he continues to support the negative and divisive attacks being spit out by his campaign and by Sarah Palin. He says he wants to bring the country together. Not so! If he wanted to bring this country together he would not allow his people to do what they are doing. The thing is that he is sending a message to his base. I think that undecided voters are smart enough to understand the games that are being played. So when you are only trying to reach your base of Republicans, where does that leave everyone else? I was one of those people that was unsure of Obama, but after seeing him in the debates, calm, intellingent, most importantly, Presidential, the choice was made for me. McCain, unfortunately is angry, and you cant have an angry president, look what happened with Bush. He got us into a war that has cost us the well being of our nation. He has cost us our good standing through out the world. The respect we had around the world, where others looked up to us, is gone. I want that back I believe in America and its people. I believe that we are the greatest nation in the world.
Posted by: Monica | October 19, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am
Powell (Rep) just endorsed Obama. Rep say Ouch!!
Posted by: CW | October 19, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am
Obama and Biden are BS, using race tactics again. They don’t appreciate that they have 150 millions dollars raised last month. They don’t tell you that they are the overdogs in this election, being so much more popular and protective than McCain could ever be.
Posted by: young_voter | October 19, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am
chad22,
your Palin is hot comment is disrespectful to her as a woman, to me as a woman, and to her position as a VP candidate.
Your misogynistic attitude only unites us women more than ever.
I would trust Governor Palin with my life. I wouldn’t trust Senator Obama with my goldfish.
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Powell endorsed Barack! Woot! Woot!
Posted by: Independant American Woman | October 19, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am
COLEEN
what you dont seem to understand is that there is too much in too little hands and the rich have become super rich , and that the middle class is being destroyed—the super rich have no problem investing this money in foreign countries.and hurting us more by eliminating our jobs here.warren buffet one of the wealtiest feels that it is wrong—we have to get the trade inbalance under controll.mccain now wants colombia to have free trade with us–and there goes more jobs.mccain never had to go out and earn a living.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
COLIN POWELL HAS ALWAYS BEEN A WHINING SOCIALIST. NOW WE KNOW IS A RACIST. I don’t want a Marxist Muslim for president.
Posted by: ACORN Terrorists | October 19, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am
Warren Buffet = opportunist.
Warren buys stocks.
Warren tells us he’s buying stocks.
We all rush to emulate Warren.
Stock prices rise b/c we buy in.
Warren makes the big bucks.
The guy increased his wealth by $8 billion while the rest of America lost half of their pensions.
He and the other financiers of Wall Street know that Obama’s socialism will decimate the middle class, but the UPPER CLASS will survive just fine.
Just watch and see. There will be NO true tax increase for the wealthy under Obama. He’ll make loop-holes out the wazzooooooo.
But middle class Americans will be broken for decades.
Yes, broken. And broke.
Posted by: Mr. Dark | October 19, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
i see the turd republican rodney has come out—i must be scaring the repubs—he just shows how vile and disgusting the repub party is.go on ugly little repub troll
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am
colin powell–is one of the most respected military men in the country–and wow he is colored—-i gurantee you he knows all about mccain and his military career.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am
it is funny how mccain is pro big business and people are so disgusted with him they call him obama ..very interesting.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
i am who i am. i gurantee it.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
i can’t stand obama and his evil wife
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am
mccain soon will be history–past history and the dummy fron the north can go home and kill and eat moose—
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
Am astounded for colleen to claim the black voters are racist – obviously , you are suffering from alzheimers!!
Remember, Al sharpton run for president in 2004 and he didn’t even get 8% of the black vote John Kerry on the other hand got 90% of the black vote I know a lot of black people who have always voted democrat whether the candidate is red or green research election history in America and you see that the least racist are black voters!! they’ve enthusiastically voted for white people all their lives. Clinton had 93% of the black vote in 92 and 90% in 96% so do your research before you open your mouth or maybe you talking from the wrong side of your holes
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am
palin should be in the house, not in the white house. women are not meant to be president or vp!
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am
women shouldn’t even have the right to vote. big mistake!
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am
Bringing more wealth to middle America means more wealth and money going to our small towns and schools. Middle America spends its money where it lives and on what’s important to their families. Rich America spends its money on over seas investments, on international-based gains. Ask yourself where the money is best for America… in our schools teaching our kids, in the local economy re-building our roads and bridges, in our retirement plans so after 40 years of teaching, building roads and fixing clogged drains we can afford to retire OR to foreign investments where only 2 percent of the American public actually has a better life.
Posted by: Rick_VT | October 19, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
The DEMS are running the MOST CORRUPT CAMPAIGN IN HISTORY. Everything from Stealing votes, to corrupt fundraising, to playing the race card. This is thug politics at its worst. I am appalled and disgusted by this political hijacking taking place. The media is the ultimate co-conspirator with their daily ppropaganda. They are silencing the voices of the people who they havent manipulated yet. THEY SMEAR A WAR VETERAN, AND A SITTING GOVERNOR EVERYDAY, WHILE PRAISING A RACIST FAR LEFT LIBERAL, BEFRIENDER OF ANTI-AMERICAN IDEOLOGUES, , WHO HAS NO RECORD TO MATCH HIS RHETORIC. THIS IS PURE EVIL.
Posted by: Badger | October 19, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am
WHAT AM I SAYING ON THAT OTHER NEWS PAGE?
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am
republicans don’t even know how lucky they are to have us to take their money. at least we will spend it on art and good programs.
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am
MCCAIN AND HIS GUTTER TACTICS HAVE CAUGHT UP WITH HIM—-I HAVE NEVER SEEN SO MANY LIES FROM A CANDIDATE—BUT WHEN SOMEONE LIKE MCCAIN WHO HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO OFFER –WHAT ELSE CAN HE DO…HIS —D—AVERAGE HAS CAUGHT UP WITH HIM.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am
there is a reason hillary isn’t in the race.
if women were good enough, why aren’t they on the ticket?
only 2 times in 250 years. girls can’t hack it.
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am
I AGREE CHAD22!
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am
Kick his butt Colleen!!!!
I’ll vote McCain/Palin with you.
Let’s let a woman clean up this country!
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am
BUT YOU ARE STILL WRONG ABOUT OBAMSA
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
VERY WRONG
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am
yeah Joe kind of like McCain getting black votes???? Stop whinnnnnnnnng, snivvvvvvvvveling and making excuses for losing in Nov. dear!!!! LMAO
Posted by: lovingpolitics | October 19, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am
rodney,
You say the rich have become too rich.
But the richest person in America is supporting Obama. Yes, Warren Buffet, who made 8 BILLION DOLLARS this past year while the rest of us have been suffering.
Do you really think he’s going to take a wealth cut with his buddy Obama in the office?
I don’t think so.
Follow the money rodney. It never lies.
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am
coleen I WILL VOTE FOR OBAMA ,AND SO WILL MY FAMILY.as i dont want another 4 years like the last 8—-you cannot run the country with uneducated people like mccain and palin–the hate campaignis just a distraction as mccain dont have a clue –and he never worked for anything.—-you just admitted that you got an education to get ahead–dont you feel that all should do the same..–i do
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am
michelle
i earlier said that buffet himself said we need tax change so people like him pay more taxes.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Come off it Rodney!!
You making me break my side with laughter!!
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Come off it Rodney!!
You making me break my side with laughter!!
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Ahh, let the Ivy League “educated” people run the country.
You mean like the “educated” people who can’t figure out basic capitalistic economics?
A law degree is not an education. It’s a license to screw people over.
Puhleeeeeease!
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
Rodney, you must be a mess because you don’t have a clue as to how to stand up and make a life for yourself. If you need help maybe I can help you. Its called an education. It might help you.
Posted by: Colleen | October 19, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am
Obama says he’ll side with Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
Any questions?
Posted by: Badger1 | October 19, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am
Uhh, yeah, rodney.
Just because he gets a higher tax rate doesn’t mean he’ll pay higher taxes.
And it doesn’t mean he’ll become less wealthy.
He can (1) get new Obama-sponsored loopholes to get out of paying taxes, and (2) use his connections with his Wall Street buddies (who now run the treasury and SEC) to get money-making opportunities.
All this while we working people suffer.
You just don’t get it rodney. You just don’t get it.
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am
mccain is parading the plumber guy around stating obama taxes will hurt hin….lets get serious DOES ANYONE HERE THINK HE WILL EVER NET OVER 250 THOUSAND A YEAR—-HE IS JUST ANOTHER UNEDUCATED NIT WIT–OR AS UNION PEOPLE CALL HIM A (SCAB)
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
Biden needs to heed his own advice. This is the man along with Obama who is smearing a man who asked an innocent question to Obama at an Obama campaign. The DEMS have ridiculed this man, attacked his integrity and etc… HE is not running for office. So- I have absolutley NO respect for Obama or Biden. Maybe Biden and the DEMS need to get the crap out of their own eyes before they judge others.The DEMS and left wing media have attacked SArah Palin relentlessly for the past 3 months.
Posted by: Brenda | October 19, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am
COLEEN
I COULD BUY AND SELL YOU MANY TIMES OVER HOWEVER I STILL RESPECT YOUR OPINION—-BUT THE LAST 8 YEARS HAVE BEEN ENOUGH. AND THE COLOR OF SOMEONES SKIN DOES NOT MEAN ANYTHING TO ME.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am
Colleen,
That guy’s an idiot. They just want to rile us up because they have nothing better to do. Let’s go get some voters to vote. These people are hopeless.
Michelle
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am
90% of blacks vote for Obama not because he is black, but because that is how they have voted since they were allowed to vote. So don’t make it a racial issue. If Hilary was the candidate 90% of blacke voters would have elected her too. Don’t buy this race spin
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Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am
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Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
MICHELLE AND COLEEN –YOU HAVE TO EXCUSE THE REPUB SICK TROLL THAT FOLLOWS ME THAT IS SOMEONE THAT IS VERY SICK–AND GETS SOME KIND OF A THRILL OUT OF IT—HE HAS BEEN DOING IT FOR MONTHS—THAT IS WHAT I MEAN ABOUT THE UNEDUCATED.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:31 am 10:31 am
Chris
Quit telling lies. 96% of the black vote includes a whole lot of racists.
Many of the blacks voting obama couldnt tell you a damn thing obama has ever accomplished that quailfies him to run for president. Hell, half of the politicians supporting obama cant name any credible accomplishments.
Maybe youre forgetting that blacks all jumped off the Clinton bandwagon as soon as Barack won the Iowa caucus?
Posted by: Badger1 | October 19, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
rodney,
But you’re ignorant to Obama’s lies.
Truly sad.
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am
Sarah Palin DOES indeed have excellent experience, AND that experience is at the Executive level. Obama does NOT!
His law degree from Harvard makes him a good lawyer (potentially, and debatable from my perspective as a Yale graduate).
Her experience in fighting corruption, fighting Big Oil, and running the USA’s largest state and the one closest to Russia, which is bordered ONLY by Canada, which has all interstate commerce being conducted across national borders or open seas, makes Sarah Palin the most experienced of the two.
But even MORE fascinating is that while McCain’s experience trumps that of Biden, and Palin’s trumps that of Obama, Palin is denigrated for being the choice of McCain.
Show me another woman who has accomplished so much in so little time, AND has done so while raising a family instead of foregoing parenthood or waiting until her children are raised.
I am a successful attorney who has 3 small children. I will NOT wait until my children are grown to be successful. I will NOT forego my opportunity to be a parent in order to be successful. Women as a whole will NOT be on the sidelines while men take in the glory of success at ANY times of their lives, while women WAIT until children are raised.
I praise Sarah Palin on what she has accomplished. I praise McCain for having the intelligence to choose a qualified woman as vice president. Yes, there are many others, and perhaps some who would be better qualified. But, as we all know, Obama was NOT willing to choose a qualified woman as VP, and that is why I will vote for McCain/Palin.
Not to mention, this will set up a Sarah Palin vs. Hillary Clinton battle for 2012. At that time, I’ll be in a dilemma between voting for my former choice (Clinton) and my current one (Palin).
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am
Why are the Democrats playing the race card again?? So it comes down to this;if you aren’t voting for Obama then you are a racist?? Who is really doing the negative campaigning??
Posted by: amazed801 | October 19, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am
Your fear-monger attempt to scare women from voting for McCain/Palin is pitiful. Believe it or not, this country has a checks and balances system that prevents presidents from having ultimate power over ANYTHING, particularly Supreme Court appointments.
Did you bother to think about mentioning to your readers that Supreme Court nominees must be approved by legislative action before being appointed? Don’t you think that the current Democratic legislative power would keep that from happening?
I am a Yale-educated successful FEMALE attorney with 3 young children. I will NOT stand by while one ENORMOUS ISSUE is pushed aside by men (and women alike) intent on hiding behind fears. This country, in ALL of its history, has not once had a female president or vice president. It took over 200 years for a female, Geraldine Ferraro, to be placed on the ticket as a vice president. Women were told (by many men) to be afraid of her and the result was that the MAJORITY of women voted AGAINST her.
It took 24 more years, and entire generation, to get a woman on the ticket again! No, I do NOT agree with EVERYTHING Palin stands for, but neither did I agree with EVERYTHING Hillary stood for. But NOW is the time for a competent, hard-working, intelligent woman with integrity to be sent to Washington as President or, in this case, Vice President. I will NOT “wait” until 2016!
I would have voted for Hillary. I WILL vote for Palin. And in 2012, I expect a Sarah Palin vs. Hillary Clinton battle for President, where the outcome guarantees that the larger half of this country’s gender will be represented once and for all!!!
I DO care about the issues. And this is one issue from which I will NOT back away!
McCain/Palin in 2008. Palin vs. Clinton in 2012.
Posted by: Michelle | October 19, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am
Michelle, Everyone is available to education in America. Its their choice if they want it. I used my GI Bill to help pay for mine. You see I had to do something in order to get where I am in life. Would I appreciate it as much if it were given to me for free? No I wouldn’t. Would I try and be the best I can be if I got what everyone else got w/o doing the same or better work? Have you ever lived on $50.00 a week for food and gas? I have. I actually got very creative with coupons, going back to the basics of cooking and actually ate healthier then than at times I do now. My daughter and I appreciate what we have now because we worked for it. She didn’t know about mall shopping until a few years ago. We shopped at Walmart before then. But we were ok. We knew it would get better. But it was my work ethic that got me to this point in life. Not taking the easiest route. Not having someone else take my responsibilities for me.
Posted by: Colleen | October 19, 2008, 10:40 am 10:40 am
MICHELLE
why didnt mccain pick a well educated woman to run– is it perhaps that none would lie and spread hate for him–as he needs a skirt to hide behind.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am
Here’s a thought for you:
I am a white male in his 30′s, married with a child, with both an MD and a PhD and definitely will be in the 95% having their taxes increased by Obama.
I cannot wait for this man to be elected president. In addition, even if he were the weaker candidate I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM SIMPLY BECAUSE HE IS BLACK!!!
We need a black president. A lot of the ignorant republicans here say “race card, race card”. Guess what – it’s been the “race card” in favor of whites since America became a country. What do you think – it’s all a big coincidence that every President thus far has been a white male? Wow. shocking. So far in history the only person ever qualified to be president is a white male – THAT IS THE RACE CARD. America is still full of racists.
Vote Obama/Biden because he is obviously the strongest ticket but also because he is black. The African-American community will benefit from this role model. Hopefully Obama will help dig African-Americans out of the hhole that they were put into by slavery.
GO OBAMA/BIDEN – I finally am feeling proud to be an American again!!! And it feels great!!!
Posted by: Obama Supporter | October 19, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am
Not until reading media stories such as this, and throughout this Presidential election and the postings from those that feed into them did I realize how ignorant both the American media and the American public really is.
Posted by: pumphouseplus | October 19, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am
Badger1 quit deluding yourself. Bill Clinton had no better supporters in America than the black people.
Just 2004 Al Sharpton didn’t even get 7% of the black vote and he’s black through and through so eat your racism!
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
Badger1 quit deluding yourself. Bill Clinton had no better supporters in America than the black people.
Just 2004 Al Sharpton didn’t even get 7% of the black vote and he’s black through and through so eat your racism!
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am
John kerry on the otherhand garnered 90% of the black vote
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
John kerry on the otherhand garnered 90% of the black vote
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am
Rodney, you say you make 8 to 10 times more than me? Are you proud of it? How did you get it? Was it given to you? Am I supposed to listen to whatever you say and agree with it? No, I don’t. I applaud you. I strive to be where you are at and am WORKING TOWARDS IT! I am not waiting on someone else to give me their hard earned money.
Posted by: Colleen | October 19, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
michelle and coleen
i started working on a farm when12 yerrs old and still got educated—it would take hours to tell you what i have done in my life and still do.you have a good idea what it takes to get ahead ,and so do i —all i can say is it is not easy–but the dream is alive. no handouts here.-the last 8 years have been a sellout for our country, and we need to take it back.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am
Obama Supporter–at least someone is admitting they are voting for Obama because he is black. Thank you for being honest!!
Posted by: amazed801 | October 19, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
chad, I guess you missed the obvious point. It was Hillary Clinton I was referring to. Hello??? Anybody Home??? Remember the blacks , and black superdelegates leaving her for obama, after the Iowa caucus? Racism at its most obvious. Fkkk Obama and Biden.
Posted by: Badger1 | October 19, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am
coleen
yes i am very proud as you see i have WORKED FOR WHAT I HAVE….MORE THAN YOU COULD IMAGINE.
have to go nice talking
goodbye.
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
Michelle,
McCain has milked his “experience” for years. Most of his experience has consisted of having his family pull strings to save his ass whenever he frequently screwed up.
He dumped his first wife who had faithfully waited for him because a car crash left her disfigured, and took up with rich heiress, Cindy. He could hardly wait for the divorce to marry her.
He has changed his principles more than a chameleon to suit his purposes.
Furthermore he was not a hero. He was an average POW, who spilled everything to get better treatment, especially that he was the son of a powerful family. He wasn’t even a good pilot.
His careeer is really reminiscent of the same special treatment that George W Bush got due to family prestige.
McCain has always been known as a mean, hot-tempered, screw-up. And he screwed up one more time when he picked Palin.
By the way, Michelle, what publications do you read?
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am
donna
THANKS.
BYE
Posted by: rodney | October 19, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
Biden is full of bull. If people simply do not like Obama, then they are cast as racist. That is the biggest fraud (beside ACORN submitting fraudulent votes for Obama in all the swing and battleground states) perpetuated on the American people. Moreover, as Joe Biden and Hillary said, Obama is not ready to be President. Moreover, Biden said he would be honored to be on the same ticket with McCain. Moreover, Governor Palin has more experience than Barack Obama. That is the bottom line,not racism.
Posted by: Doreen | October 19, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am
How were just the last eight years a sellout? The economy went downhill during the 2nd Presidenc of Clinton. it did not start with Bush. Also, many things have happened to our economy since Bush’s start. First 9/11. We are still feeling the effects of it. Second, weather. It had a major effect on our economy. People can blame who they want but really that was their fault. They chose to live there. My house burnt to the ground due to nature. I lost everything. But I had renters insurance. So we were fine because I took care of my family. Do I blame everyone else for what has happened in my life? No. Do I make sure that my family is taken care of? Yes, I do. It is up to the person to make their life not everyone else.
Posted by: Colleen | October 19, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am
Pam,
You want to know where the money is coming from? I’ve never contributed money to a political campaign. I’ve contributed over $100 to Barack to help him win this election. Because, I believe in him and believe he is the change we need for this country. For all the small business owners complaining about paying taxes..if this economy is not fixed, no one will be able to afford to spend money and support your small businesses and you will probably go out of business. I would guess that most customers supporting your small business are middle class workers. That’s something to think about!!!
Posted by: Ro | October 19, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am
Obama wants a federal WELFARE program. If you want welfare vote for Obama.
Posted by: Duane Z | October 19, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Are liberals really that stupid? They talk about how all this negative campaigning won’t work this year in response to an article where Biden is calling indeppendent voters “racist” if they don’t vote for Obama. How much more negative can you get than that?
Isn’t it possible that someone may vote for McCain because he is more experienced? or because they don’t want their taxes raised? or because they support Israel? or because they are concerned about Obama’s 130 “present” votes in the Ill. Senate?
of because they think Palin is refreshing compared to windbag Joe? or maybe they are concerned about the personal attacks on Joe the plumber just because he asked a question of Obama and Obama gave an answer the maybe gave away a little too much about who he really is.
The charges of racism have been used to much and too often and I find it offensive and a bigger distraction than the Ayers charges by McCain. At least McCain is confining his attacks to Obama. Obama is attacking american citizens with his charges of racism.
Why should I vote for someone who attacks me personally?
Posted by: Valerius | October 19, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
Here we go again. Trying to make voters feel racist if they don’t vote for Obama. It’s a very good tactic from the Democratic party that’s working. Hopefully enough people get off their guilt trip before election time and realize that Obama is just not qualified to be President. Period!!!
Posted by: Art Texas | October 19, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am
It’s about the experience stupid……
Posted by: socalvoter | October 19, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am
Doreen,
Palin,(I won’t call her Governor because that would be a title of respect that I don’t have for her.) Is one of these women who has always gotten by on her looks – when in doubt, flirt your way out. She CAN read things that have been written for her, but apparently goes totally blank when asked to answer a question that requires original thought. Does she NOT read any publications?
Did she never have a curious thought that might have inspired her to learn about anything beyond her provincial realm? She said she could see Russia from her house, but with it so close, did she ever go across there to see what things were like?
Does she really think that with such a hostile attitude towards Washington and the people who work there that she could go there and accomplish anything?
Joe Biden is not a perfect man but he is one of the workhorses of the Senate. From what I’ve seen, Palin is just a show horse.
I feel that I can trust Joe’s judgment, but the thought of Palin anywhere near the presidency is terrifying! Joe is a known quantity. He has tons of experience. He has always gone to trouble spots in the world to ask questions and see for himself what is going on there rather than forming his opinions on second-hand information. Can you really NOT see the difference? He has intellectual curiosity that drives him to be informed.
Palin may be likeable to certain people. I’ve heard that the people who have special needs children idolize her, so why doesn’t she head up some organization dealing with special needs children and their families? I think she would be good at that, but keep her away from the presidency.
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am
As a British Citizen, obviously i cannot have a say in this momentous election. Nevertheless, i have been following this election with intense interest since last october and have invested as much passion and emotion into the outcome as many americans. this is because i see that the election of an american leader is the election of a man who can change the worlds fortunes around. i have an immense love for america and one day hope to serve as a diplomat in the US for my country.
from across the pond i have observed both campaigns and both candidates including their running mates and to me the choice is a no brainer. Obama is a man of extraordinary character and on that special day in november when we are told that he has won the election…the world as a whole will feel a little safer, a little more secure and a lot more positive knowing that a man of substance, intelligence, and compassion will soon be standing at the desk of the most powerful office in the world.
another observation i have made is that every angry post on here, and every racist or bigoted remark comes from xomebody supporting McCain. i dont quite know what this means, but it worries me.
Obama/Biden 08
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am
I’m glad the black people don’t suffer from racism. They wouldn’t think of voting for a black person just because they were black, regardless of the person’s merits.
And, of course, they would never think of supporting Joe Biden, who led the personal attack on Robert Bork and kept him from becoming a 2nd black on the Supreme Court.
Posted by: ragnar30066 | October 19, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am
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Posted by: blah | October 19, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am
Extraordinary character??? Really??? How long have you personally known Mr. Obama?? Please tell us because most in this country do not have a clue on his character, extraordinary or otherwise….As he has only been in the public eye for about 4 years..if that…
Posted by: socalvoter | October 19, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am
You could just as easily say that voters have reservations over electing an old man or an extremely young and inexperienced man to be President as well Joe. Divide and conquer you race baiter!
Posted by: hmn | October 19, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Message From Your Messiah
We are the people we have been waiting for.
ACORN has assured me the outcome is not in doubt
Your President-For-Life
Posted by: obamanation | October 19, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
The race card is easy to play. The real reason people like me won’t vote for him is that he is the first admittedly socialist candidate running on a major party ticket. But of course, now I’m a racist for even bringing this up. Wait until you see how this backfires.
Posted by: Joanne600 | October 19, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am
Brett
I dont know where you get your news from, but it is no secret that the liberal media in this country and around the world are sweeping obamas true character under the carpet while smearing Palin, and McCain 24/7.
Here is what we do know to be FACT about obama. 20 years in a racially divisve, and politically left church.
aigned with radical left ideologues such as Pfleger Wright, Ayers, Alinski, etc
involved in corrupt real estate deal with now convicted Rezko
2nd highest recipient of cash contributions from Fannie Mae
Contributed over 800,000.00 to ACORN through a front group
Acorn now under investigation in 13 stated for voter registration fraud.
Laaunched his political career in the home of domestic terrorist.
#1 most liberal senator in the senate.
Votes with his party 97% of the time.
Voted 4 times in opposition to a bill that would provide medical care to born alive babies
He has the support and endorsement of radical anti-american groups both domestic, and abroad.
etc etc etc .
Where do you get that obama has great character, or is qualified to be president?
Posted by: Badger1 | October 19, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
A MESSAGE FROM YOUR MESSIAH
After I am elected we will begin the process of re-educating the Republicans racist dogs. Starting with the confiscation of all white-owned property and my spread-the-wealth-program. All minorities will be issued a PH.D. in nonviolent minority studies from the University of Obamaville, where Mr.William Ayers will be the dean of the Revisionist History Department and Dr. Franklin Raines will be Chair of the Karl Marx International School of Property Management. My wife Michelle will be in charge of determining wages for all US citizens, so you should get your requests in early along with your check.
Hail the Messiah!
Hail Obama!
Your President-For-Life
Posted by: obamanation | October 19, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am
Socalvoter – i have read both of his books, which has given me a deep insight into what makes him tick and i can say with hand on my heart, i believe obama to be a man of extraordinary character. Of course i do not know him personally, 99.9% of average guys never have the privelege of knowing the ppl they vote in office, but that doesnt mean they cannot gage their character. Have you read his books? i think you may be impressed.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm
Biden: “Undecided people are having a difficult time just culturally making the change, making the move for the first African American president in the history of the United States of America,”
The Obama campaign’s use of race to distract from issues that pose a threat to Obama’s success, like his recent “spread the wealth” comment, is disgusting. It happens every time. Enough is enough!
Senator Obama has run the most under-handed, dirty campaign I have seen in 40 years of Presidential election campaigns–from financing to race baiting.
Posted by: LJC | October 19, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm
The facts are that more people intend to vote for the DNC candidate because of his color, more than 2 to 1 are voting for the DNC candidate because he is black – amazing that this is not reported more often. Biden should stop with his racist politically incorrect comments, which is right from the campaign playbook and mentioned in the DNC candidate’s own autobiography.
Posted by: Troy | October 19, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm
William finally gives us the answer why the DNC candidate voted ‘present’ so many times. —– Undecided voters are like children, thy have to be coddled. They can’t make adult decisions. Makes you wonder why they even vote.—–
Posted by: Tonya | October 19, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm
Badger, nearly every single point you madet is a dangerous half truth. to omit the full detials of these decisions/affiliations obama made or had is being a little deceptive and ignoring the truth.
Yes he was a member of a church…as are many people whether they be radical left leaning or hardcore right wing. both are equally as dangerous and i do not believe obama brings any of this to the table with him.
if we are deeming obama guilty by association then we have to be consistent and deem nearly every single politician in washington guilty under the same charge. so these affiliations dont wash with me.
has dealings with fanny mae? doesnt mccain too?
check the facts…he did not launch his career in ayers’ living room…he launched it in a ramada inn.
it is unfortunate that acorn are being investigated. had obama known something untoward was happening with these guys, i doubt this would have beent he case.
since becoming senator in 2006 he has voted with his party most of the time becuase during this time his party has been fighting against the policies of the bush administration…so NO WONDER!
voted against the bill involving born alive babies as it would undermine roe v wade!!
so if you have allegations against obama…at least look into the facts.
and i also cannot understand why liberal is such a dirty word in america. to me it means that people actually care about diversity, equality and fairness, not a laissez faire attitude that leaves a lot of ppl to suffer.
but thats just my liberal, socialist, british opinion.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Alzheimers Biden, people are more concerned about Obama’s socialist positions which are more aligned with the failed democratic congress than the American people and his poor judgement proven by his close associations and friendships with Ayers, Rezko and Wright.
Enorsements by Louis Farakhan, Hamas and Hezbollah, doesn’t help either.
I do not care if the guy is pink, I want a president I can trust, and frankly, with all the flip-flops Obama’s done I don’t know if I can believe what Obama say. I think he just says what will get him elected and once he’s in the White House, push his Marxist policies.
God Help Us, we’ll all be praising Allah when all is said and done.
Posted by: Sean A | October 19, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm
Brett
Dont you think that the man who is writing a book about himself is going to blow alot of sunshine up his butt?
Isnt there just a slight conflict of interest? Maybe a little bias?
20 years in a racist black nationalistic church Brett. He only left that church for political expediancy. No white candidate would be afforded the same double standard.
How do you qualify a jr senator who couldnt even clean up his small district of southside Chicago for the most important job in the world?
Posted by: Badger | October 19, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm
Sorry, Mr. Biden, but race is not the issue. The issue is whether or not your running mate can be trusted to run this nation.
We, the American People, have become cynical regarding politicians and their promises. You constantly promise us a great deal, but then turn around and stab us in the backs at your first opportunity. We will not give you are trust – you and your running mate need to prove to us that you are trustworthy.
Mr. Obama has a great deal of issues surrounding him that indicate he should not be trusted.
Barrack Obama was a member of a church presided over by an anti-American racist for 26 years. Obama was personal friends with that “minister,” having him preside over his marriage and his children’s baptisms not counting the numerous dinners they ate together. Yet, Obama tells us he never once heard a single controversial statement. BS. Only a fool would buy that lie.
Obama was associated with William Ayers, albeit many years after Ayers’ crimes against this nation. Obma didn’t merely sit on a board with him, but sat on multiple boards, chaired foundations created by Mr. Ayers, launched his political career at a party hosted by Mr. Ayers at Ayer’s house, and reportedly socialized with him quite frequently. Yet, Obama tells us he barely knows Mr. Ayers and the only thing they have in common is being from the same city. Again, BS. That is such a transparent lie it isn’t funny.
Obama was associated with Tony Rezko until such time as Rezko was arrested, tried, and convicted for political bribery. Obama arranged to have Rezko purchase a property next door to one he himself wanted, in order to get a substantial discount on his own purchase. Obama tells us this was a poor choice, but I say it stinks of political corruption in the classical “Dirty Chicago” scene.
Obama was asked legitimate questions about his birth and his citizenship. His sister, brother, and grand-mother have all reported that Obama was not born in the United States, while Obama claims he was. When asked to provide a birth certificate, Obama provided a document which was proven conclusively to be a forgery. Now that a lawsuit is pending to try to force Obama to establish he meets the requirements set forth by this nation’s Constitution for any and every President of this country, Obama is claiming that American citizens have no right to challenge him or demand that the Constitution be adhered to.
Obama claims repeatedly that he doesn’t take money from lobbyists and special interest groups. Yet, Obama has received substantial campaign funds from Exelon – the parent company of Ameren and Commonwealth Edison which attempted to extort the citizens of Illinois with ridiculously high priced electricity.
Obama claimed he would run a different type of campaign, one which avoids the smear attacks we have seen throughout past political races. Yet, Obama is now spending more money producing and airing negative smear attacks than any presidential candidate in the history of this nation.
Numerous other examples of Obama’s duplicity exist, but space here is not limitless.
Senator Biden, your running mate is a liar who has been busted again and again lying to the American people. He cannot be trusted. It is not a matter of race, but of his complete lack of integrity, honor, and honesty.
Posted by: kdurham68 | October 19, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm
I would trust a community organiser who shuns the chance to make big bucks with the education he has worked so damned hard for to stay in his own neighbourhood and try to make a difference. There is a lot to be said for that. this guy is not driven by greed but by the desire to change things. yeh sure he isnt as experienced as his rival. but when i see a calm, composed, gracious and reflective man standing against a hotheaded, angry and erraitc man…i wonder if experience should really be the deciding factor.
nixon had experience. i just dont think this is the reason you should be writing off obama.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm
Part of Obama’s problem is his running mate Joe Biden. This guy is so clueless he makes Dan Quayle look like a genius.
Ths issue is three letters ‘JOBS”. No only can he not spell he can’t count. I wonder if he can spell potato?
When you ask a ‘simple’ question that the democrats don’t like Joe the Plumber did you see what can happen: they come at you with the full force of the media. Can you say intimidation? The hardest question Obana is going to get from now is “What is your favorite color or what sign are you? Anything else will get the authorities at your door. Whatever happened to free speech.
Sorry Carlos Mencia I think free speech is dead.
Posted by: Oiam911 | October 19, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
*erratic (typing too fast) the irony is palpable
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm
Attention all McCain Palin supporters.
Most of you already know, but Beware that from now until the end of this election the MSM, and Hollywood elite snobs are going to pull all the stops to discourage us from voting.They will skew polling data, run smear story after smear story, mock a sitting Governor, and a war veteran. They will try to make you feel like a racist. etc Dont buy into it. Make sure you tell your family and friends stand strong and weather these attacks. Dont be intimidated or manipulated out of your vote. McCain/Palin into the future.
Posted by: Badger | October 19, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
Icant believe there are so many stupid people in America. They are republicans
It would not surprise me if, when they go into the voting booth,they will vote for Obama!If they get off the stupid pills,they will!
Posted by: peg | October 19, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm
Obama only became a community organizer as a stepping stone to advance his radical left political agenda. Even a lobotomized UKer should know that.
Posted by: Badger | October 19, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm
your “WAR VETRAN HERO” is a traitor to America While a guest in Hanoi he sold his fellow pilots down the river
Posted by: 9michael99 | October 19, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm
peg thinks its smart to vote for a documented racist, befriender of those who would do our country harm, and someone who has no record to match his lofty rhetoric..
No thanks peg, I will gladly, and proudly choose Sarah Palin, and John McCain two proven reformers,,over the Marxist, racist, liberal, all day long.
Posted by: Badger | October 19, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Hmm…i wonder if he actually did become a community organiser so that it would boost his credentials for when he decided to go for president??? Yeh sure! because community organiser is the must have on your CV before you can run. Open your eyes badger. this guy is a genuine good guy and it frightens me that he might not make the white house because a bunch of ignorant people cannot see past their prejudices and work towards progress. The rest of the democratic world is praying for an obama victory, i hope America delivers for the good of the world not just your great nation.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm
Badger is right – the media is lying. Crawl over broken glass to vote.
Posted by: Joanne600 | October 19, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
To Badger1,
you have been listening to Fox too much
Go to a real net work for FACTS
Posted by: delores | October 19, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm
kudr=== do five hundred pages on that and get back to us.
Posted by: 9michael99 | October 19, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm
bad—jer=====I think I’ll take Colin Powell’s word over yours===sorry===
Posted by: 9michael99 | October 19, 2008, 12:44 pm 12:44 pm
Yep…colin Powell is internationally respected. i would trust his judgement over a couple of die hard republicans who are panicking as they come to realise that they are staring in the face of defeat.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm
Badger===you there? I think we could use 500 pg on the theory of ierelativity
Posted by: 9michael99 | October 19, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm
Nice try delores, but even many democrats agree that FOX has had the fairest coverage of this election, including Hillary Clinton, James Carville,and Governor of Pennsylvania Ed Rendell to name a few. Evrybody and their pet rock knows that MSNBC CNN ABC CBS NY TIMES etc are SOLIDLY IN THE TANK FOR obama.
delores,your real problem is that you cant dispute any of what Ive written, because its all documented fact, and public record. Youre a obama media brainwashed ditz, sorry to say. I dont rely on FOX, I do independant investigation, and obama is a complete fraud better suited to seeling used cars to suckers.
Posted by: Badger | October 19, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm
irrelativy
Posted by: 9michael99 | October 19, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm
Badger would probably vote for bush again if it were constitutional for a president to run for a 3rd term. oh wait! he is voting for bush again! aka Mc Cain! :)
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm
Brett
You are exposing yourself as more simple minded with each desperate reply.
This isnt rocket science
Obama used his community organizing to break into chicago politics, and chicago politics to break into National politics, and national politics to launch his bid for the presidency.
I am amazed at how easily you people are suckered by this fraud, and his string pulling media.
Posted by: Badger | October 19, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm
maybe “in bed with” It’s a much more “colorful” irrelative statement
for a catatonic masicist
Posted by: 9michael99 | October 19, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
Obama has shown that he does not care about the middle class. Joe the Plumber asked Senator Government a simple question and had Obama expose his true political beliefs. Obama is a socialist. His income tax credits are welfare payments disguised in the tax code. 40% of Americans pay no income taxes. How do you give cuts to those who pay nothing, you give them taxes paid by others.
Obama has been trying to deceive the american people by not telling them that he is giving your tax dollars to people who pay no taxes. So much for transparancy in government. The Change Obama talks about is creating a welfare state. Don’t think your safe because he says 250K, because he has some very ambitious change in mind 250K is just the starting point.
Posted by: ubu1991 | October 19, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm
unfortunately Badger. i dont just follow your media. i follow my own nations media too. and believe it or not my nations media is more impartial and has a record for being so. i also check out french, german and american media. just to make sure i get an even palate. oh and guess what. i still think obama is the right choice. and i aint bolled over by biased media. in the UK we see right through it.
Obama is a good guy with or without the backing of the major news channels of the US.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm
I guess kuderham is still typing away
Posted by: 9michael99 | October 19, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm
A lot of Americans are hard workers and over the last several years seen the standard of life go down. I also read a lot about socialism. All Dems want is the Goverment to work for ordinary Americans as hard as they work for rich Americans. Isnt that the way America should be? Ask any American worker if he or she thinks all should have heath care and a quality education and i think you know the answer. McCain and Palin continue to bring devision to the American people. The robocalls keep hyping on Ayers and trying to convince people that Obama palls around with terrorist. Millions of America will thing we have a terrorist in Office if Obama wins and millions will be angry at McCain for the lies and devision if he wins. Not good. McCain says to the lady that called Obama an Arab that Obama is a good and respected family man and yet the next thing you know McCains calls Obama a pal of a terrorist. What McCain should of said was he isnt an Arab, but so what if he was. He isnt a Muslim but so what if he is. By not saying these things he brings devision and Im sorry my friends, but my idea of America is a country where all religions and races are welcome with open hearts and minds and treated with equal respect. Many a Rep likes to use Jesus or being Christian as its base. Let me ask you. If you believe in the Christian belief and in Jesus’s teachings you would also understand that he didnt like the Rich and wealthy and too, tought that all mankind was God’s children and believed in taking care of the less fortunate and hungry. He also tought forgiveness.
So some that are claming a Christian base and yet are using devision, racism or slander are going right against what they say they believe in. Jesus would have probably been a liberal due to his beliefs and teachings. To knock any man strickly due to race or wealth or religion is about the most unamerican thing one can do. It takes away any since of patriotism or love for this country or its ideas or what this country was founded on. The republican party needs a self test and to reflect on what it really stands for. Obama has my vote and i am proud to see Powell come on board.
Posted by: CW | October 19, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=288052
Obama losing big time in some polls. Out of about 400,000 polled, 20,000 said he is qualified, a few thousand unsure, and the rest say OBAMA IS NOT QUALIFIED. so much for your polls. PBS poll now running poll regarding whether or not sarah is qualified. it is 49 to 49 with her going up steadily. However, many have reported not being able to cast their vote. Has PBS shut it down fearing sarah is winning. VOTE on election day and McCain will win, God willing. Obama is a baby killer and the only experience he has is with extreme radicals and dirty politics.
Posted by: kathy | October 19, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
CW…your words are music to my ears. i love america and 1 day hope to represent my country in yours. your words and that of a handful of others help to instill confidence that there is progress being made in america – depsite there still being a lot of people who hate and rally against everything they dont understand. people like yourself will allow that progress to take a giant leap in november and help to ensure obama is voted in. the alternative doesnt bare thinking about.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm
brett
Of course the European media is going to sugarcoat obama, he is a socialist.
Posted by: Badger | October 19, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm
badger…at the moment, the conservatives in the uk are getting a lot of press with their proposals. they my friend are not socialist, yet they seem to be dominating the news. so i can assure you, my countries media and yours are not on the same page.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm
It will be interesting to see the extent to which ACORN will set Obama’s agenda should he be elected. Back in December 2007 in a speech before ACORN, Obama stated that ACORN would have great influence over his agenda. ACORN represents big trouble for America. ACORN storm troopers planted the seeds for the home mortgage debacle and it is actively cultivating rampant voter fraud throughout the country.
Posted by: federale | October 19, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
and this socialism that you are afraid of in america helps to ensure that every single person in the UK gets treatment for any illness be it flu, meningitis or cancer. there is not one single person who is refused the care they need. that to me is not something to be afraid of.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
Oooooo! We gonna make you white folks pay for wat you done to us black folks!
Once he win, Barack gonna take off his “happy face” mask, and Michelle gonna stomp through the Wite House like Black Godzilla!
You rich honkeys better get ready to pay for yo evil, white-devil ways!
God d@mn America! God d@mn America! God d@mn America!
Posted by: whiteygonapay | October 19, 2008, 1:19 pm 1:19 pm
Why is it, if you ARE NOT voting for Obama you are considered a racist?
Obama has NO experience.
Obama has NEVER reached across the aisle to write a law.
Obama makes great speeches but NEVER DELIVERS WHAT HE PROMISES. (just look at his SEnate record.)
Obama is a previous drug user.
Obama has never worked for a private corporation…he has always worked on the government’s dole in one way or another.
The media LOVES Obama and they let their love affair blind them to his many faults.
Finally, when people worship a guy like he is the winner of American Idol, yet they can’t explain his positions/platform…it concerns me!!!!
Actions speak louder than words….Obama is a real salesman and people believe they are voting for a utopia. For a utopia to work EVERYONE must work equally hard…sorry to say this will never happen. Some people are achievers and go-getters (and under Obama they will be punished) and there are “low income” people who will be rewarded for making poor personal & academic choices.
There are other reasons BESIDES RACE on WHY people don’t want to vote for Obama.
Posted by: Mike | October 19, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm
Why are we listening to Brett Mellish from the UK? He has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. To compare the UK of 60 million to the U.S. of 300 million and rising everyday due to illegal immigrants is absurd.
Yeah Brett from the UK, socialized medicine works for your country because you do not have near the population we have in the US. Individual states have tried it here and failed.
But don’t worry, if Obama gets in and raises taxes on our big corporations, they will be moving their businesses to the UK for your lower taxes. Then your population will rise and your socialized medicine will be overwhelmed to. Enjoy it while you can.
Posted by: Sean A | October 19, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
The Obama’s aren’t just measuring for curtains, they are also ripping out the roses in the Rose garden to plant them watermelons seeds. I hear they have truck loads of chickens ready to be delivered too.
Mmmmm…Watermelons and fried chicken will be the staple of our economy.
Posted by: Watermelon garden | October 19, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
In the UK everybody gets treatment for illness — if you wait long enough and hope you don’t die first.
Posted by: federale | October 19, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
Mike, whilst i respect your opinion on obama i also respectfully disagree. i also hasten to add that your view on low income earners and “go getters” is quite narrow and over generalised. There are people who work damned hard in this world but who will never make mega bucks because this world isnt that easy. if it was then the world would be a much wealthier place. the truth is there are many barriers to being that successful..some people may overcome these hurdles whilst overs are left at the sidelines. so it is unfair to not help these ppl out. they are the cornerstones of your economy.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm
Criticism of president Obama will be vicious and dangerous…great.
Posted by: Wade | October 19, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Sean A. you are using your own governments incompetencies as part of your argument. yes my nation is smaller, but so is its GDP. we are a microcosm of your nation. so to assume that a similar thing cannot be adopted in your great nation is arrogant and absurd. oh and btw our nation has its own immigration problems. dont think your nation is the only one with problems to overcome.
Posted by: Brett Mellish, UK | October 19, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
Brett Mellish from the UK–We are not buying your unsolicited views of socialized medicine.
For starters, our population ios 20,000 times larger than yours, we would go bankrupt (even more), UK socialized medicine is reationed by the government, over half of cancer patients are denied care, your survival rates are lower, on top of that the medical staffs have low morale, shortage of staff, and rising tide of patient complaints which your government suppresses to surtail the demand for choice.
What business is it of your anyway? Isn’t it tea time or something? Go eat some crumpets, and MYOB!
Posted by: Watermelon garden | October 19, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
uhh, Joe?
Americans are having problems with voting for a liar who appears to have remarkably bad judgement (Surge, Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac), extremely poor choice in associates (Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, Farrakhan, etc., etc.), completely insane redistributionist tax policies, remarkably counter-productive tax strategies (increase taxes in a recession), appears to have accepted millions of dollars from illegal contributors, supported infanticide, despises Americans in flyover country (bitter and clinging) and has a long and current relationship with the voter-fraud organization Acorn.
Not to mention choosing you as VP (hey, how is that military intervention by France and USA in Lebanon going? ). But at least you know how many states there are in the USA and you have released your college records….
So your only recourse is to deal the race card from the bottom of the deck. yeah, like that is going to work….
Posted by: iconoclast | October 19, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Sorry…but no way in hell am I voting to let that racist scumbag Spike Lee or Oprah spend the night in the Lincoln Bedroom!
Posted by: MBNA Joe | October 19, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Thanks Watermelon garden, You pretty much summed up what I was going to say, but let me just add to the Brit, Brett Mellish that the US has a welfare system, which provides Medicaid to those who do not work. I was a caseworker for our Welfare dept and gave out a lot of $$, foodstamps and medicaid. We also have walk-in clinics available to those who do not have the means to pay for their healthcare.
I understand that the UK’s government does not have this system but relies on voluntary, independents and charity organizations.
Posted by: Sean A | October 19, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
I hope I am wrong, but my gut tells me that McCain will win Florida, mainly because Bubie and Zaydie couldn’t bring themselves to vote for a black man. So much Jews being so liberal-minded. If McCain wins because of Florida, I hope their happy when their benefits are reduced and their working kids’ health care gets taxed.
Posted by: James | October 19, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
The only people playing the race card are the Democrats.
If you’re white and vote for McCain, you’re a racist. No matter if you agree with his policies or not, you’re voting based on race.
If you’re black and voting Obama, that’s okay because you’re supporting the African-America.
Biden spews hatred and it is his party dividing America. While he is insinuating that McCain/Palin are inciting violence, two McCain supporters have ACTUALLY been physically attacked by Obama supporters.
A 12-year-old girl in Florida was accused of being racist by classmates because she wore a McCain/Palin T-shirt to school.
The Democrats are screaming racism because Obama’s true colors [no pun intended] are showing. He’s a socialist who hired a CAIR attorney to defend him in the Berg v. Obama lawsuit.
And now, Biden’s true colors have shown. Thank you Joe Biden, for calling all Americans who might choose to vote for McCain, racist. I’m sure you just won over their support.
Posted by: Paige | October 19, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm
Badger,
Are you sure that you aren’t Rush Limbaugh? If you aren’ty then you have been brainwashed by him!
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Sean A
Did they suddenly settle all of the problems with health care while I was asleep? To hear you, we have no problems with health care and it is available to all.
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
Watermelon Garden,
Our health care is rationed too – between those who have it and those who don’t!
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Paige–don’t forget the disgusting T-shirt that the Obama supporters were wearing saying “Sarah Palin is a cu*t” I didn’t hear Obama condemn that.
The Obama campaign has shown their prejudice for age and sex, but if anyone attacks Obama’s socialist positions, lies, sleazy associations with ACORN, Ayers, or Rev Wright and his black liberation theology you are a racist.
Posted by: Sean A | October 19, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Have to disagree with Donna. Despite the racist watermelon comment Obama is a socialist.
We don’t need a stinking commie in charge of the US.
Posted by: Bob Hughes | October 19, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm
Michelle – if you are considering voting for Palins as a former Hillary supporter, you are simply voting for Plain because she is a woman. The is not a responsible tactic in which to pick our powerful leaders. Even suggesting Palin is in the same league as Clinton is despicable, and you have shown your ignorance. I respect your choice for Hillary, and I would respect your choice of Palin if you were behind her policies, BUT it is quite obvious you would only vote for Palin because of her dna – that should in my opinion that should disqualify you from voting at all…
Posted by: rslover | October 19, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Donna HUghes–I was making a point that we do have health care available if it’s needed. The U.S. is not a third world country.
More help is needed but not the socialist healthcare that Obama is pushing. I do not want to be forced into it which will happen because under Obama’s plan, if employers do not comply and sign their employees up with Obama’s plan, they are penalized and will have to pay a fine to the Tax Reform Fund. I like my PPO that I get through my job, however, my employer may be forced to go with Obama’s forced plan. Small business will also hurt because they will not be able to afford to pay into the Universal Health care plan.
This will in essence hurt the low income workers more than anyone else.
But hey, under Obama’s plan, they may be homeless and go hungry, but gosh darnit they will have health care.
Posted by: Sean A | October 19, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
AS MARTIN LUTHER KING SAID, YOU SHOULD NOT JUDGE A MAN BY THE COLOR OF HIS SKIN
BUT BY THE CONTENT OF HIS CHARACTER
HERE IS OBAMA’S TRACK RECORD:
FRIENDS – AYERS (terrorist), WRIGHT (anti-white racist), REZKO (convicted felon)
FOREIGH EXPERIENCE – UNCONDITIONAL MEETING WITH AHMADINEJAD
SENATE EXPERIENCE – 100 WEEKS
ECONOMIC MESSAGE -”SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND”
POLITICAL PLATFORM -”TAXES TO FUND SOCIALISTIC WELFARE”
MIDDLE EAST – “UNDIVIDED JERUSALEM – NEXT DAY CHANGED HIS MIND”
IRAQ -”FORFEIT A VICTORY”
ACORN – “VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD”
THIS IS NOT A TIME TO TAKE A RISK WITH LIBERAL ROOKIE – MCCAIN IS THE RIGHT CHANGE WE NEED
Posted by: LostDemocracy | October 19, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
rslover–what do you think of people who are only voting for Obama because he is black?
Posted by: Sean A | October 19, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
What a complete buffoon. So now Joe Biden is declaring that undecided voters are racists too? LOL! I notice his hometown of Scranton, PA that he keeps boasting about is smack dab in the middle of the very same region of Pennsylvania that John Murtha just said was racist. Obviously, the Obama/Biden campaign is starting to get worried, or Joe’s hair plugs are beginning to affect his brain.
Posted by: cobia hunter | October 19, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
I don’t know who is going to win this election but I have a sense that it could be a blow out. This country is still right of center as a whole and it has never elected someone so far to the left. But these are different times. To the person who stated his grandmother was now going to vote for Obama after seeing the huge crowd in St. Louis – it is indicitive of how shallow some reasons are – what does one expect in St. Louis? It is predominately a city of color. Obama has promised so much that he will not be able to deliver. Remember Bill Clinton promising tax cuts to everyone and what did he do – he said: I have worked harder than I have ever worked trying to figure out how to institute my programs and give everyone a tax cut. So what happened – he INCREASED taxes and made them RETROAVTIVE! All you people who believe in the toothfairy need to wake up. The only thing I can say is that if Obama is elected – the dems will lose the house & senate in 2010 and Obama will be a one term president.
Posted by: Linda | October 19, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm
cobia hunter–I think it might be the Botox or early signs of Alzheimer’s, I think the beginning signs are paranoia and forgetfulness. Biden still visits Katie’s Restauarant that closed 15 yrs ago. Poor guy.
Posted by: Sean A | October 19, 2008, 2:52 pm 2:52 pm
Nah. I would vote for a black man….no problem there….it they agreed with my ideology. Show me a black conservative running for office, and I’d vote for them. That’s not the problem for me. The problem for me is trust, and on a daily basis, it shows more, and more that Obama is a serial liar.
Case in point:
Mark Hosenball
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Oct 27, 2008
During a heated moment in his final presidential debate with Sen. John McCain, Sen. Barack Obama noted the anger of some supporters at rallies for McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “All the public reports suggested,” Obama said, that people shouted “things like ‘terrorist’ and ‘kill him’.” Making a death threat against a presidential candidate can be a crime. But even before Obama cited “reports” of the threats at the debate, the U.S. Secret Service had told media outlets, including NEWSWEEK, that it was unable to corroborate accounts of the “kill him” remarks—and according to a law-enforcement official, who asked for anonymity when discussing a political matter, the Obama campaign knew as much. Now some officials are disgruntled that Obama gave added credence to the threat by mentioning it in front of 60 million viewers.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 19, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
Both Biden & Obama are race-baiting. Don’t vote for them because they are liberal/socialists who want to spread (“redistribute”) your wealth.
Posted by: arpod vespucci | October 19, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
rslover said:Michelle – if you are considering voting for Palins as a former Hillary supporter, you are simply voting for Plain because she is a woman. The is not a responsible tactic in which to pick our powerful leaders. Even suggesting Palin is in the same league as Clinton is despicable, and you have shown your ignorance. I respect your choice for Hillary, and I would respect your choice of Palin if you were behind her policies, BUT it is quite obvious you would only vote for Palin because of her dna – that should in my opinion that should disqualify you from voting at all…
Yet Howard Stern proved why some are voting for Obama. They should be disqualified as well, based on your rigid criteria?
Posted by: Jeanie | October 19, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
It’s the Democrats playing the race card and it has been and always will be the Democrats who are the racist. The Democrats really need to read their history books and the bros from the hood just need to learn to read.
Posted by: t. hill | October 19, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm
There are so many things to comment on, I don’t know where to start. 1.First,I thank you, Donna, from the UK. We Americans better care what the rest of the world thinks of us. After all, we’re all in this together and we don’t have much credibility in the world right now.
2. And, yes, Warren Buffett did say he felt he wasn’t paying enough taxes along with many other very wealthy people. I promise you, he won’t complain when his taxes go up.
3. How can people possibly buy this Bill Ayers thing? Obama has been vetted for two years and if he has skeletons in his closet, like most of the rest of us, they are not earthshaking plots. Misjudgments, maybe. Criminal, no.
4. I, for one, can tell you where Obama’s money is coming from. I have donated to his campaign every month. Not much, but what I felt I could afford. Multiply that times 3 1/2 million people and you can start to realize what a lot of people working together can do.
5. As for John McCain. God bless him. Unfortunately for him, he’s being guided by people that don’t have his or our welfare in mind.
6. As for me, I am a Republican, whose only involvement in past elections was to vote. I believe so strongly that Obama will become a great president, that I crossed party lines, donated and volunteered. So, may I suggest, instead of name calling, work for your cause, whatever it may be and I wish you well.
Posted by: Ruby | October 19, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
I am not afraid to vote for a Black man or women and many people I know are not racist. The media has turned this into a race connected campaign. I would vote for a bright conservative with strong beliefs in the constitution. I am not convinced that the Republicans don’t have Socialistic ideas either and I am having a hard time wanting to vote at all. I wish people would look up things like, Agenda21 and Proposition 51, Maurice Strong, Spiral Dynamics, these are only a few things to look at to see where some of the people in position of power are heading us into and forgetting about our constitution. I am really worried about the last days of President Bush and what he is going to do to destroy our rights and our Constitution. WAKE UP AMERICA change in deed will happen and it will be things you have never dreamed of. Bush stabbed us in the back and I am not about to let that happen again to me as a voter so I am doing research…and so far our future looks bleak.
Posted by: Liberty Girl | October 19, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
RACE, RACE, RACE. Democrats using the race card for their advantage one more time. America is more than ready for a black, hispanic or woman president. Biden doesn’t get it. The problem with Obama is not his race is his inexperience, his lack of judgement, his socialist ideology and his groups of controversial friends. In the end, we don’t even know if he is a qualified candidate for president since we havn’t even seen his birth certificate!
Posted by: ex democrat | October 19, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
Good grief, will you liberals get over playing the race card?
It’s Obama’s judgement, character, lack of experience, votes/non-votes, statements, and actions (by or on behalf of his campaign) to suppress dissention or inquiry that make him unpalatable as a presidential candidate. SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND exposed an agenda the media has tried to cover-up.
I am an American who happens to be black and I AM NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA! I love my country too much to put skin color above reality and facts. SOCIALISM vs LIBERTY is what this election is about for me. I stand with Joe the Plumber.
Now what are libs going to call me??
Posted by: D1109 | October 19, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
so…Biden and Obama go to la la land…and bash us in Ohio as gun, bible totting racists????? Hey Joe kiss my butt!!!! I was undecided…between Barr and McCain…now I am going for McCain…you bigot race baiter!!!
Posted by: Diane Binder | October 19, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm
Now Biden is saying people are having a hard time with electing the first African American prez? hmmm… I though the race was over and Obama already won? I thought we didn’t even have to have the election, it was such a sure thing for the One…
Posted by: dan | October 19, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Well, D1109, I’m going to call you ignorant. Every time there’s an election, the Democrat is accused of being a socialist and against freedom. Which is funny, since we’re closing out a Republican administration that has flagrantly abused any American’s right to privacy and spent $700 billion to purchase large chunks of private banks.
Because Republicans can’t get a hold on any real dirt, you’ve blown up every little smear you can get your hands on. Now “spread the wealth” has become an anti-socialist chant. Let me take the time (please read slowly so you understand) to explain the idea. Lower the middle class taxes just enough to create less of a burden, so they can spend more money, fix their toilets, whatever. 95% of the pop. boost small and large businesses alike. Meanwhile the wealthiest told to pay 3% more, and then pay lawyers and accountants to figure out how to get out of it. See how everyone wins?
The alternative is to keep doing what we’ve been doing, and rely on the wealthy 5% to spread the wealth around and support all businesses everywhere, because the rest of us are too busy living paycheck to paycheck. Looking around, that’s not working right now. Of course, if you’re that 5%, you probably haven’t noticed.
Posted by: Linnae | October 19, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Actually, Joe is deflecting attention from the fact that many of us do not want him a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Both he and Obama are cheap little men who imitate Scrooge when it comes to charitable donations, but are in favor of “patriotic” taxation for everyone else.
Racial injustice has served Obama as a convenient excuse for alienating so many voting blocs during this election and being unable to ‘close the deal’. Actually, Obama is looking every bit as corrupt and self-serving as the numerous Caucasian politicians who have ransacked the country.
Posted by: Monarch | October 19, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
Enough already with the ACORN stuff you Rush Limbaugh brain washed right-wingers! All ACORN does is send people out to register voters. Some of these people make out phony registration cards. ACORN goes through the cards and flags the suspicious and downright phony ones and kicks them out. In order for it to be voter fraud someone would have to actually show up as “Mickey Mouse” or whomever. There is very little actual voter fraud that happens.
Now let’s talk about voter purging and caging, which are time-honored Republican scams. They get hold of Democratic voter lists and indescriminately eliminate people from them for bogus reasons like moved, dead, or felony, or whatever, so that when they show up to vote they are not on the registered voter lists.
OR, the similar tactic of taking a list of Democrats and sending them all forms that have to be filled out and returned in order for them to remain on the list of registered voters. Only they send these out in unmarked envelopes that look a lot like junk mail which are likely to get thrown away or otherwise ignored. Or they send them to the home addresses of people who are overseas in the military, who go ahead and vote, not knowing that their votes will be denied because they didn’t get the forms to return and so they are no longer on the registered voter lists. Just another way that Republicans honor the military.
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 4:15 pm 4:15 pm
Now Lets talk about Experience
I know a woman who’s had 7 kids with 4 different men obviously a lot of experience but no judgement
McCain has a lot of experience but no judgement. My father once said a wise guy is the one who learns from other people’s mistake.
Obama learnt from Al Gore and John Kerry’s mistakes and he has not repeated those mistakes – that to me is a wise guy.
John McCain lost the election with his erratic behavior.
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm
People hesitant to put the first African-American in office as President? Bull. Ever think that people might be hesitant to vote for THIS PARTICULAR African-American?
Bright? Check. Articulate? Check. Gives soaring speeches with a teleprompter? Check. Beyond that, he has the thinnest resume of ANY Presidential candidate, and don’t give me that crap about him having the same credentials as Lincoln. This is a far more dangerous and complicated time than Lincoln’s day, so there’s no comparison. Palin is more qualified to be President than Obama is, based on her executive experience as a mayor, governer, and chair of an energy regulatory board, her experience as Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard, and her experience with actually owning a business and having to meet a payroll, none of which Obama has. There is also plenty of emerging evidence that the “change” he advocates may not be the type of change that most Americans really think they’re going to get. McCain is right to talk about Obama’s past alliances, because they speak to Obama’s judgment, and also inform us about the type of people that he might have as his advisors and appoint to his cabinet. As the Senator with the most liberal voting record, even more liberal than John Kerry, Joe Biden, and Bernie Sanders, he is decidedly left-leaning, and very possibly a socialist. Try reading “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky. Obama’s campaign is right out of that playbook, and the dumb masses are just eating it up because they’re seeing him as their own personal Robin Hood.
The problem is this: Democrats never seem to learn that their policies always have unintended consequences. “We’ll give 95% of Americans a tax cut”. Oh, really? How do you do that when 40% of people pay no income taxes? “Well, we will give them a check for $1,000, at least as long as they’re paying the Payroll tax”. Oh, great. Social Security is in trouble, so you’re taking that money out of the money that’s supposed to be allocated to Social Security, a pay-as-you-go system. “Well, we’re going to take the cap off the Payroll tax.” Oh, great. More “soak the rich” philosophy, along with their plans to tax the income of those making over $250,000. How much do they think these people are going to allow themselves to be soaked? A few years ago, Democrats in Congress thought it would be a great idea to impose a luxury tax on yachts. The people who ended up suffering were shipbuilders who were laid off when J.P. Richguy stopped buying as many of them. Small business owners who make $250,000 and above file their business taxes as part of their individual returns. By the time the small business owner pays his contractors, expenses for the vehicles used for the business, benefits, and other overhead, he may have only $40-50,000 left. Tack on another $15,000 imposed by Obama’s additional taxes (because he’s so “rich”), and the small business owner will have very little left over to live on. So he’ll either a) lay off people, b) cut pay, c) cut benefits, d) not give raises, e) not add new jobs, or f) go out of business and do something else. Obama + Democrat-controlled Senate + Democrat-controlled House is what will bring this about, with their “wealth redistribution” plans. Karl Marx: “From each, according to his ability, to each, according to his need.” But who died and made Barack Obama the arbiter of what is “fair”, and how is he going to decide what how much of our paychecks we all “need”?
So go ahead and vote for the socialist. Don’t come whining to me when, a few years down the road, the change you get was not the one you thought you’d get.
Posted by: Brenda | October 19, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
People hesitant to put the first African-American in office as President? Bull. Ever think that people might be hesitant to vote for THIS PARTICULAR African-American?
Bright? Check. Articulate? Check. Gives soaring speeches with a teleprompter? Check. Beyond that, he has the thinnest resume of ANY Presidential candidate, and don’t give me that crap about him having the same credentials as Lincoln. This is a far more dangerous and complicated time than Lincoln’s day, so there’s no comparison. Palin is more qualified to be President than Obama is, based on her executive experience as a mayor, governer, and chair of an energy regulatory board, her experience as Commander in Chief of the Alaska National Guard, and her experience with actually owning a business and having to meet a payroll, none of which Obama has. There is also plenty of emerging evidence that the “change” he advocates may not be the type of change that most Americans really think they’re going to get. McCain is right to talk about Obama’s past alliances, because they speak to Obama’s judgment, and also inform us about the type of people that he might have as his advisors and appoint to his cabinet. As the Senator with the most liberal voting record, even more liberal than John Kerry, Joe Biden, and Bernie Sanders, he is decidedly left-leaning, and very possibly a socialist. Try reading “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky. Obama’s campaign is right out of that playbook, and the dumb masses are just eating it up because they’re seeing him as their own personal Robin Hood.
The problem is this: Democrats never seem to learn that their policies always have unintended consequences. “We’ll give 95% of Americans a tax cut”. Oh, really? How do you do that when 40% of people pay no income taxes? “Well, we will give them a check for $1,000, at least as long as they’re paying the Payroll tax”. Oh, great. Social Security is in trouble, so you’re taking that money out of the money that’s supposed to be allocated to Social Security, a pay-as-you-go system. “Well, we’re going to take the cap off the Payroll tax.” Oh, great. More “soak the rich” philosophy, along with their plans to tax the income of those making over $250,000. How much do they think these people are going to allow themselves to be soaked? A few years ago, Democrats in Congress thought it would be a great idea to impose a luxury tax on yachts. The people who ended up suffering were shipbuilders who were laid off when J.P. Richguy stopped buying as many of them. Small business owners who make $250,000 and above file their business taxes as part of their individual returns. By the time the small business owner pays his contractors, expenses for the vehicles used for the business, benefits, and other overhead, he may have only $40-50,000 left. Tack on another $15,000 imposed by Obama’s additional taxes (because he’s so “rich”), and the small business owner will have very little left over to live on. So he’ll either a) lay off people, b) cut pay, c) cut benefits, d) not give raises, e) not add new jobs, or f) go out of business and do something else. Obama + Democrat-controlled Senate + Democrat-controlled House is what will bring this about, with their “wealth redistribution” plans. Karl Marx: “From each, according to his ability, to each, according to his need.” But who died and made Barack Obama the arbiter of what is “fair”, and how is he going to decide what how much of our paychecks we all “need”?
So go ahead and vote for the socialist. Don’t come whining to me when, a few years down the road, the change you get was not the one you thought you’d get.
Posted by: Brenda | October 19, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
Linnae,
Your condescending parrot of Obama talking points continues to prove everything I’ve seen regarding liberals. This must be a cut-n-paste from his website. “Read slowly…” while you propagandize – laughable yet predictable.
I guess you missed the photo op of NANCY, BARNEY, HARRY and other DEMOCRATS grinning from ear to ear cheering how THEY saved the country with the $700B bailout. They pushed for this bailout, which they thought would detract from their collusion in the shenanigans that brought our markets to this point.
Nice try but I still embrace capitalism and the free market – we need to keep government out of it.
Name-calling and dripping condescension because I won’t agree with your position. Very typical of democrats. My grandma always taught that name-calling says more about the perpetrator than their target. Ignorant is something I will never be but it is a common word from liberals to make themselves feel superior.
Posted by: D1109 | October 19, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
D1109, I totally agree with you.
Posted by: Brenda | October 19, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Gee, didn’t John McCain vote for the $700B Bail-out package too?
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
At this Point the most intelligent Republicans/Conservatives are jumping ship. The left over residues are the ones shouting and calling everybody who ain’t for mccain a socialist and terrorist and welfare scroungers on the blogs. You braindead zombies will never know even if America moves on! And we have moved on – so your shouting and ranting is not going to change the elections. Anybody who voices an opinion or ventures to comment on a blog has already made up his/her mind.
So Stick with your candidate who has a lot of experience but no Judgement.
And I’m proudly sticking with my candidate with less experience and my God great judgement!!.
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 4:30 pm 4:30 pm
There’s no need to fight anymore!!.
Love McCain hate Obama!!
I’ll Love Obama and respect Mccain
obama/biden 08
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Brenda, I am applauding you for your fact-based post. You understand the full scope of what’s going on and what’s at stake.
Posted by: D1109 | October 19, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
There’s no need to fight anymore!!.
Love McCain hate Obama!!
I’ll Love Obama and respect Mccain
obama/biden 08
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
Uh, Joe, No we are not. We are probably having more of a problem electing you (Mr. McBosniacs) with him.
Why could he not have gone with Gov. Sebelius instead?
As for Mr. Ayers, the domestic terrorist, and his wife, the domestic terrorist…
I am glad that someone has finally raised them as an issue.
Should these terrorists not be in JAIL with domestic terrorist McVeigh?
Where have are all the investigative reporters at CBS, NBC, ABC and FOX been the last thirty years?
Posted by: NickAtNight | October 19, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Barack Obama has run the most racist, divisive campaign ever!!! That WILL come back to haunt him on Nov. 4th… Put all your money on it!!! McCain/Palin will pull it off for the good guys on election day!!!
Posted by: Delaware Vol | October 19, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Here is something that should make Colin Powell happy:
post-gazette.com -
Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register with the Selective Service; McCain does not.
Obama would also consider officially opening combat positions to women; McCain would not.
Obama: “Women are already serving in combat [in Iraq and Afghanistan] and the current policy should be updated to reflect realities on the ground.”
Posted by: SF | October 19, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
Anyone who doesn’t support Obama must be a racist. Welcome to the “post-racial” America, where race and identity politics are bigger weapons than ever, used to bash republicans over the head. Orwell himself couldn’t have conjured up a candidate better at spouting doublespeak than Barack Obama.
Posted by: Brian G. | October 19, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Joe Biden should be ashamed of himself.
That must mean he knows his candidate cannot close the deal if the is playing the race card once again.
How about trying to win the contest on leadership? On competence? On ability?
Biden was down south a couple of weeks ago saying we had to vote for Obama becaues he is AA. Really?
To my way of thinking, the presidency is bigger than race, gender or age. It is about character. It is about policies that make sense and will work for the American people at this point in time.
I will NOT vote for Senator Obama and it has nothing to do with his race.
This playing of the race card is already backfiring on him big time. Keep it up, Biden. Again he puts his foot in his mouthj.
Posted by: annagain | October 19, 2008, 4:53 pm 4:53 pm
This has been one of the most corrupt campaigns ever.
And ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN and FOX have FAILED to cover important news repeatedly.
When Clinton supporters were claiming the media was in the tank because the media was not reporting on REZKO – there was some truth to that claim.
But even more telling was the media ignoring the THREE convicted Clinton donors this year.
Where are the reports and stories on HSU?
Where are the reports and stories on Jinnah?
Where are the reports and stories on Scruggs?
WHERE HAS OUR MEDIA GONE?
A blind mole rat could do more investigative reporting than they do !!!
That this this years scandal. Not the world wide financial collapse, but the world wide MEDIA COLLAPSE.
WHERE IS OUR VOICE, OUR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTERS, OUR NEWS?
Perhaps we need a strong president like Obama to take them all over, shut them down, turn them out so that we can START ALL OVER.
Posted by: NickAtNight | October 19, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm
When you look at Barack Obama, you see the first African American man running for the President of the United States and you are proud. When I look at Barack Obama, I see a man who lacks character and judgement regarding his questionable and disturbing associations both privately and publically. I see a man who refuses to release his college records and thesis from Columbia and Harvard Universities. I see a man who became a Christian not because he disagreed with the teachings of the Koran he knew at that time, if he were to run for political office, voting for a Muslim, victory would be next to impossible. When you talk about Obama’s campaign, you express how brilliantly it has been run. When I speak of Obama’s campaign, I express how they are deceiving the people by telling half truths. I see a campaign that has hired staff who can be linked to others who hold extremist views.
When you hear and see Rev. Wright, you see a man of God who cares and is committed to helping the black community. When I see and hear Rev. Wright, I see a man who along with his long time friend Farrakhan, who in the name of God, spew hatred towards America, Jews and whites. Rev. Wright and Farrakhan have traveled together to Iran,what could the Iranians have that would be of interest to the black community?
Have you ever wondered why a white man, Bill Ayers, an admitted communist and radical, would help Obama jumpstart his political career? Ayers and his followers which included his wife, planted bombs at the Pentagon, police stations and the Capitol. Ayers does not have a history of being an advocate for the black community. Why would he help Barack Obama, when the two seem to have different views of the world? Or do they?
The Barack Obama I see, is a man that I believe will bring change to America but it is a change that is not in America’s interest.
Posted by: Linda/Michigan | October 19, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Joe Biden has no business saying that. However, am still voting for the obama/biden ticket.
I’m not willing to vote for a state burial
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm
Why do the democrats keep bringing up race? Its like they are obsessed with it or something.
Posted by: dlc | October 19, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
I find it highly unlikely that Joe Biden ever told people that they HAD to vote for an African American. That is just one more typical right-wing exaggeration.
This is typical right-wing tactics. There are the likes of Limbaugh, coulter , and Ingrahm going 24/7, spewing their twisted garbage, and many of these right-wing posts sound like the people have been brain-washed.
We’ve endured 8 years of outrageous conduct of government from Shrub and the Republicans and now it is time to pay the fiddler! The two years that the Democrats have been a majority in congress have come to little because Shrub still has veto power. The Republicans have done so much damage that one hardly knows where to begin to repair this country.
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
When You See John McCain you see a war hero
When I look at John McCain I see a fraud who wouldn’t be where he is were it not for his father and grandfather.
When You see John McCain you see a prisoner of war who stood honorably for the American ideals of courage, strenght in the face of adversity
When I look at John McCain I see a Traitor who gave the vietcons so much information and betrayed America to our enemies that we lost a lot of good men in vietnam (have you ever wondered why he is so adamant about Iraq? Is it about personal atonement in Vietnam)
The vietcons praised him and called him the prince!!.
When You see John McCain You see A competent Man
When I see John McCain I see an Incompetent buffoon who crashed 4 planes whiles drunk and then crashing the 5th in vietnam costing the tax payer millions of dollars.
When you look at McCain you see a decent man
When I look at McCain I see a cheat, Unfaithful, and a self absorbed egomaniac – who’s been running for president ad infinitum
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm
Why should the electorate lower the vetting process and not question Obama worthiness for office?
Why is he being given a qualification-free, non-vetted, stage-managed ascension?
Why should anyone ignore long-held standards for those seeking high office so Obama can have an affirmative action coronation?
What the democrats/liberals/leftists are doing is disgusting and dangerous.
At the end of the day, Obama and his handlers could care less about race.
He is beholden to his marxist/socialist ideology and wants to harm America.
Race is their chosen tool to silence opposition and inquiry – they wouldn’t have gotten this far without it.
Democrat blacks have no clue of how they are being used – AGAIN. Cannon fodder and foot soldiers are what they represent to liberal/leftist leadership.
Posted by: D1109 | October 19, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Actually Joe the Senator, maybe we’d not like to have 8 more years of an inexperienced Commander in Chief.
Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the moral, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them. What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning one’s mistakes.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that Senator Obama’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax burden
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, they would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those new unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message you think the voters want to hear. If I got it correct, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that time passes? Let me get this correct, you want to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time you want to turnaround and give them a tax credit? You do realize that they are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job increase. If you can convince us of that Senator Obama, I’d suggest you also try to sell us a bridge to nowhere. Your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American Corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
oh and ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Pick a rate
Senator.
Posted by: Experience: Joe the Senator 3x ; McCain 3x ; 0bama ??? | October 19, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
OK. Let’s get around to the big picture here. If McCain had even so much as looked at an unrepentant terrorist and shook his hand, the LIBERAL media would be all over it! Stop the double standard. Maybe people are scared to vote for BO because he is a left wing commie, through and through!
Posted by: KayBoo | October 19, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm
I see that Obama has lied, over, and over.
I have seen Obama, and Biden say they fight for the working class…yet mock that same working class, for simply asking a question. It wasn’t Joe’s fault, Obama exposed himsel.
I see Obama and Biden attacking anyone, and everyone that dares to disagree with them , by using racism as their weapon, and accusing others of foul play in their politics, when he blatantly lied in front of 60 million people on the last debate.
Mark Hosenball
NEWSWEEK
From the magazine issue dated Oct 27, 2008
During a heated moment in his final presidential debate with Sen. John McCain, Sen. Barack Obama noted the anger of some supporters at rallies for McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin. “All the public reports suggested,” Obama said, that people shouted “things like ‘terrorist’ and ‘kill him’.” Making a death threat against a presidential candidate can be a crime. But even before Obama cited “reports” of the threats at the debate, the U.S. Secret Service had told media outlets, including NEWSWEEK, that it was unable to corroborate accounts of the “kill him” remarks—and according to a law-enforcement official, who asked for anonymity when discussing a political matter, the Obama campaign knew as much. Now some officials are disgruntled that Obama gave added credence to the threat by mentioning it in front of 60 million viewers.
He knew it, and he used it, for political gain…so do not even try to say this isn’t trying to be won, by using the race card.
Now let’s talk lunch. I hear Michelle is buying. Lobster appetizers, steamed lobster, Iranian caviar, and champaign anyone?
For the working class my foot!
Posted by: Jeanie | October 19, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
Maybe nobody will vote for McCain because he picked Mooselini for VP! McCain has sold out any honor he may have had. We’d never vote for him. He’s a man who has been defined many times by his horrible temper and his flip-flopping of principles. One of these days he will go up in a cloud of smoke and there we’d be with Mooselini for president – a fate so bad that I don’t even wish to contemplate it!
McCain is nothing but a screw-up. We just had a screw-up for president for 8 years. They are cut from very similar cloth.
Obama and Biden are a good team and they will be great for America. But they will have to undo 8 years of Republican damage that will hang over the next administration like a millstone. Thanks, Republicans!
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 19, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm
Joe Biden thinks the undecided voters out there are racists. Say it ain’t so, Joe!
This is HUGE!
How dare Joe Biden make such unconscionable statements!
The Obama campaign and their top supporters have shown a clear pattern of accusing Americans of being racists.
Obama, Biden, Murtha, John Lewis, et al.
Posted by: USVet | October 19, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
I am amazed by all the rhetoric flying around, with so little focused on key issues. One of the biggest items on the domestic front that each individual should ask themselves is “What exactly does spreading the wealth mean to me”? It is important to understand that the left/socialist element of this country desires equality at the expense of all else. I too am in favor of equal opportunity, but equal opportunity does not guarantee equal results; You cannot make make people with lesser intelligence smart, you can only force smarter people to do less or give up more of their achievments. This ultimately leads to high achievers refusing to work hard for the pure pleasure of supporting others via way of our inefficient government. In short, the lefts idea of equality ultimately results in mediocrity for everybody….. Give me and my children the opportunity to be great or to fail on our own, not spend our lives nursing from the governments tet.
Posted by: Karl the Engineer | October 19, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
MORE McCAIN HYPOCRISY and the DEMOCRATS DON’T RESPOND WITH ENOUGH FORCE TO CHALLENGE GOP HYPOCRISY.
Republicans have been providing tax-breaks and tax cuts for the rich individuals and corporations since Ronald Reagan’s “Trickle down” economics. The benefits were supposed to reach the middle class and it never did; at least not the impact we had hoped. But Republicans never called this SOCIALISM FOR THE RICH!
Now Senator Obama & Biden advocates tax-cuts for the middle-class and for those making less than $250,000.00; while McSame calls this SOCIALISM! This is McSame HYPOCRISY to the highest levels.
GOD Bless the United States of America!
GOD Bless the Leadership of Obama-Biden Team!
Posted by: Perusing-Through | October 19, 2008, 6:06 pm 6:06 pm
You dumbots talk about experience as if it is the most important thing in the world. I will always take Judgement over experience.
If your experience is getting drunk and thinking of yourself as superman try to stop a car in a highway and you get runned over and lose a limb.
I’ll take the other guy whose judgement tells him to learn from your stupidity and do the opposite.
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 6:12 pm 6:12 pm
experience is the mistakes you make in life.
Judgement is looking at sombody’s mistake and refusing to make them
and that my friends is something John McCain Lacks and Obama has in abundance
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
experience is the mistakes you make in life.
Judgement is looking at sombody’s mistake and refusing to make them
and that my friends is something John McCain Lacks and Obama has in abundance
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 6:17 pm 6:17 pm
Senator Biden:
So, it’s race that is holding back the undecided?
Hmm … so, now its because someone is “black” that we don’t want to elect him.
I am offended.
The issue is not whether Obama is black (unless you are black), or McCain is white.
The issue is whom can I trust to do the “right thing?”
Our Country is going through a banking crisis.
Housing values are deflating. We are deeply in debt. The budget deficit is growing every day.
We are about to go through a very tough recession. It will last for at least 18 – 24 months.
Unemployment will go as high as 9%.
We are fighting two wars.
The Islamic terrorists are still out there and wanting to do horrific harm to our country.
I could go on … but let’s just stop there.
In the face of these facts, you say that it is racist to reject an extreme Liberal politician.
A politician who has never reached across the aisle in any meaningful way.
A politician who is not willing to fully acknowledge his past associations with various hard left individuals
A politician who does not want to grow the economy, but who instead believes in sharing the wealth around?
A politician who wants to raise taxes on the rich, while giving rebate checks (welfare) to the rest?
If we need to raise taxes to balance the budget and pay down the national debt over time, repeal the Bush tax cuts in their entirety and end the “structural deficits.”
A politician who wants to deny workers the right to a secret ballot when choosing a union?
A politician who wants to force “fairness” on radio hosts?
The list is much longer, but let me stop there.
Sorry, Senator … but “racism” has nothing to do with it …
Posted by: John_Frank | October 19, 2008, 6:32 pm 6:32 pm
experience is the mistakes you make in life.
Judgement is looking at sombody’s mistake and refusing to make them
and that my friends is something John McCain Lacks and Obama has in abundance
Well of course Obama excells at this. He’s never made a mistake in his life, so why would he need an array of versions , as an explanation for his judgements?
McCain repudiated attacks that were made at his rallies, concerning Obama.
Obama lied in front of 60 million, knowing the “kill him” never existed.
That’s sound judgment, and character!!!
These Republicans just suck…don’t they?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122428567636046459.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Oh wait…he’s a Democrat. Whoopsie.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 19, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
You repulsivecans are so disgusting. You have the guts to talk about obama being a socialist – Yet it is john mccain who wants to buy back bad mortgages from the banks – so people can live in the homes they couldnt afford to pay for – if that is not the world’s largest and astronomical socialist enterprise – then l dont know what is – like mccain once said just lay back and enjoy it!! – if you are anti socialist then vote against Mccain,
oops! l forgot you are braindead – therefore you wouldn’t know the difference.!
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
You repulsivecans are so disgusting. You have the guts to talk about obama being a socialist – Yet it is john mccain who wants to buy back bad mortgages from the banks – so people can live in the homes they couldnt afford to pay for – if that is not the world’s largest and astronomical socialist enterprise – then l dont know what is – like mccain once said just lay back and enjoy it!! – if you are anti socialist then vote against Mccain,
oops! l forgot you are braindead – therefore you wouldn’t know the difference.!
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
Dear Senator Biden,
Senator Obama, the last I know, is the least transparent of all the modern day Presidential candidates. Although much has not been required of previous candidates, where is the dishonor of providing things that the electorate is clamoring for? Are there things to hide? Senator McCain has shown us his medical history. Senator Obama’s 20 plus year medical history is only on one page? Please. Furthermore, we’d would like to know who Senator Obama’s obstetrician was and at which hospital in Hawaii. You would think, Senator Biden, he would readily spout them off. We already know that Senator McCain was born in Panama. Senator McCain produced that evidence early on without hesitation. Just let us know who Senator Obama really is. P.S. I would love to see Senator Obama play Governor Palin in a one on one pickup game. Winners, of course.
Posted by: Fraggenboots | October 19, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Perhaps Joe is right that “undecideds are culturally having a hard time electing the first African American candidate” but I don’t think that’s the problem in the majority of cases of undecideds. I sense that those who have a problem with Barack because of race aren’t confused about it. They already know they aren’t going to vote for him because he’s black even if they don’t admit it. They already know they’ll vote McCain but just aren’t saying so.
A truly undecided at this point, in my view, is someone who is very unhappy with both options and very worried about our country. They are people who always vote the candidate, not the party (even if they do tend to lean in a ideological direction), and their candidate didn’t make it. Another problem for undecideds who lean toward Barack is their fear that by electing Barack we’ll have a Democratic Congress (Nancy Pelozi, Harry Reid, etc) and a very far leaning left president too. Been there and done that. Saw what absolute power did to the Republicans.
Short of some really big scandal, they will either not vote because they think both are a disappointment and a mistake for the country or something will happen that helps them see that one of the two is just not tolerable on any level.
What undecideds aren’t sure about is that while Barack seems to come off lately as rather centrist, they don’t believe it. They think he is just as much an ideologue as the rest.
Posted by: Vicki | October 19, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Brad,
I do totally agree that the mortgage buyout is totally socialistic as well. However, let’s take the flip side of it. We should let ALL the banks AND FINANCIAL systems FAIL. You would like that, won’t you? OK, so you can pay cash. How will the large corporations get the CREDIT LINES to buy the merchandise and services you clamor for? How about all the super markets, gas stations and department stores all close down for one week. How much will you be clamoring for a little bit of government intervention? Already, in parts of the country, CAR DEALERSHIPS are closing because of lack of credit. Don’t hope too hard. You may get your wish.
Posted by: fraggenboots | October 19, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
Obama supporters – maybe we are giving these mccain followers too much credit
than they really deserve or are capable of handling or making sense of, for all you know they are suffering from collective amnesia and heterotopous.
where have they been these 8 years?.
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm
Actually Joe the Senator, we just don’t want another 8 more years of Bush…8 more years of an inexperienced young President.
Mr. Powell, say it isn’t so!!! You above all, I would have thought would not want us to have 8 more years of an inexperienced Commander in Chief.
Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the morale, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them. What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning one’s mistakes.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that Senator Obama’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax burden
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, they would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those new unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message you think the voters want to hear. If I got it correct, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that time passes? Let me get this correct, you want to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time you want to turnaround and give them a tax credit? You do realize that they are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job increase. If you can convince us of that Senator Obama, I’d suggest you also try to sell us a bridge to nowhere. Your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American Corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
oh and ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Pick a rate
Senator.
Posted by: Stalin / Obama / Biden / Pelosi 08 | October 19, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm
I don’t understand why there are those still undecided. If you want a nanny state because you believe it is the governments responsibility to take care of you from cradle to grave, you vote Obama. If you want a Democrat that just happens to have an “R” after his name, you vote McCain. We’re screwed either way. It has nothing to do with the race of either. The only difference is that Obama will turn us into a socialist country sooner than if McCain wins.
Posted by: Bryan | October 19, 2008, 7:10 pm 7:10 pm
I think a lot of people will vote for Obama but say they are voting for McCain because they don’t want their Rep friends to turn on them or lose their jobs. Being an Independent living in a Red state, I had a lot of people tell me this, and asked me not to say a word because they live in fear. How American is that? I have said from day one I am voting for Obama, and yet they leave me along. I still have my friends, but on friend has been outted from their group because he wasn’t afraid to speak his mind. He believe’s like Powell, picking Palin is the death to McCain’s campaign.
Posted by: Ethel | October 19, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
And about Socialism, if you don’t like it, don’t use the new National Banking system brought to you by Bush/McCain and the Rep party.
Don’use the
VA Hospital
Don’t draw your SSI
Don’t sign up for Medicare
and Don’t draw your unemployment.
Posted by: Ethel | October 19, 2008, 7:27 pm 7:27 pm
Are you kidding me biden…..race?
How about questionable character and associations, naivete, inexperience, dishonesty, self centered narcissis. And that’s what we know about.
Posted by: USA-No1 | October 19, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
What McCain’s doing is dangerous? What’s being shouted at McCain rallies is dangerous? So, I suppose Sen. Biden “going negative” on a private citizen who dared ask Sen. Obama a question isn’t dangerous? I suppose the assault this private citizen has had directed at him by supporters of Sen. Obama (and that very much includes the media) isn’t dangerous? How about all the truly vile attacks Gov. Palin has been put through, that isn’t dangerous? How about donations from people with names like agdsgsg, that isn’t dangerous? How about hundreds of thousands of bogus voter registrations, supported in no small part by government officials, that isn’t dangerous? How about folks like Fatimah Ali predicting race and class riots should Sen. Obama lose the election, that isn’t dangerous?
Sen. Biden, I’ve got a three letter word for you: C-L-U-E-L-E-S-S.
Posted by: Chris_DE | October 19, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
I love the fact that obama wants to take 70% of my paycheck. I love the fact that if you are over 50 and have medical issues, 2 bad so sad your old you die. I love the fact that the lazy people in this Country are going to be able to work the system even more than they already do at the exspense of us hard working people while they lay in bed till noon and go shopping and buy the good life at our exspense. I love the fact that where will the people from canada go for medical attention?? Can’t come here anymore, we will have the same system.It is such a good system, just ask the people of Hawaii how well it worked for them after 7 months. Most of all I love the fact that 6 months after Obama is in office, you idiots are going to be crying your eyes out and I will be able to laugh in your face. Remember the old saying becareful what you wish for!!! It usually comes back and bites you!!!
Posted by: Leslie | October 19, 2008, 7:33 pm 7:33 pm
Let us not forget the woman in New York who is a republican, attacked by a Democrat. He ripped the wooden stick off the sign, and attacked her face with it.
Now that’s what Obama told them to do…so he’s not at fault. He did say….get in their faces, and argue.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 19, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
The ad is negative because it contains obama dirty deeds.
Definitely not presidential material.
Posted by: USA-No1 | October 19, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Gee, I guess it could never have anything with people actually not liking what Obama stands for on the issues. This country has become retarded on race.
Posted by: tyrone | October 19, 2008, 7:38 pm 7:38 pm
Gee, I guess it could never have anything with people actually not liking what Obama stands for on the issues. This country has become retarded on race.
Posted by: tyrone | October 19, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
Gee, I guess it could never have anything with people actually not liking what Obama stands for on the issues. This country has become retarded on race.
Posted by: tyrone | October 19, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm
obama wants to spread the wealth around……say what?
- I worked hard, 10-12 hour day most of the time to build my business and employs people in the community.
- I save and invest for my children educations, savings and for our retirement.
Now obama wants to take what I worked hard for a spread it around?
I have 2 words for you obama, it’s FU.
Posted by: USA-No1 | October 19, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm
Uh…Repubs….Dont you think if Obama was so bad that the FEDS, CIA, ATF…would have locked him up by now. Something must be right every major newspaper , billonaires , and mainstream america is supporting him. His campaign is unprecedented.
Posted by: Concerned AMerican | October 19, 2008, 7:47 pm 7:47 pm
Buying up “bad mortgages” to address the root of the problem is neither “socialist” nor “capitalist,” but rather necessary government intervention in a time of crisis.
Why? We have a financial crisis. Fix that and you still have falling housing values and declining consumer demand.
At the same time, we have a ballooning budget deficit; and a national debt which has more than doubled in 8 short years … the last 2 when the Democrats controlled the House and Senate.
The issue is who has the character and judgment to make the right calls in this time of crisis?
The problem with Obama is that he does not believe the way to recovery is to grow the economy.
Rather, he believes the way to solve our crisis is to “share the wealth around.”
That fundamental philosophy will not lead to recovery, rather it will lead to a long period of declining or very slow growth. Remember Jimmy Carter?
The Bush tax cuts of 2001 and 2003 created a structural imbalance.
Obama is talking about allowing the taxes on the “rich” to expire, while giving welfare (woops, I am sorry, tax rebates) to the working poor.
Do you want a welfare check from the government? No.
Do we want “PELROB?”
Pelosi, Reid and Obama?
That is what we get if we elect Obama as President.
Or do we want someone who will put together a true national unity administration?
Like him or hate him, we know who Senator McCain is … a great man, who admits his faults.
A man who has served his country with honor and dignity.
A man who is offering himself for service again at a time of a very severe crisis.
A man who understands the need for action.
A man who has detailed his plans to govern and put them on the table.
But at the same time, a man who has said that he does not need the fame and is willing to listen to any good idea from any quarter, while giving credit where credit is due.
Do you see Senator Obama saying he will balance the budget in 4 years? Nope.
Senator McCain has made this commitment. That is his goal.
Yes, Obama is intelligent. Yes, Obama has an even “temperament.”
But what are his core values?
You can only determine those by looking at a man’s actions …
Some recent examples:
A man who voted present more than 130 times in the Illinois Senate.
Why? Because he was unwilling to take a position.
A man who hid in the US Senate cloak room rather than vote on a resolution condemning the Moveon.org ad calling into question General Petreaus.
Why? Because he did not want to go against his base support group.
A man who wrote a letter to the Treasury with his concerns about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, rather than supporting legislation as Senator McCain which could have helped mitigate the present crisis.
Why? Because he did not want to come out against his party’s leadership.
How did he deal with being a 20 year member of a church whose Pastor preached Black Liberation Theology?
He denied ever hearing those “hateful words.” He only gave up his membership in the Church after a huge media storm and Father Wright’s Press Conference while running for President.
Hmm … does that sound genuine or disingenious and “staged?”
A man who said that he would accept public financing. Then he turned around and said “no” going back on his word.
Interesting that while McCain has disclosed all those who have contributed under $200.00, Obama has refused.
Why? Because we have people contributing multiple times, exceeding the limits under assumed names, etc., etc.
Now compare that with a man who was a prison of war, left for dead, suffering from horrible wounds, who refused early release because it was the right thing to do.
When you are President, you do not get to vote present, hide in the cloak room, simply write a letter, or “set up” your departure from your church when it becomes a huge liability, after being there for 20 years.
You need to be a leader and take action.
Senator Obama refuses to admit that he was ever wrong.
When an attack is hitting close to home, he calls it a “distraction” and then sends out the hit squad to smear his opponent, or even better says “he does not get it.” Right.
He decries a good idea when put forward by someone else (Clinton’s Housing proposal) and then later takes it as his own without any acknowledgment.
Senator Obama is a classic “go along, get along hard left Liberal politician” who is ruthless and cynical.
He will use anybody, do anything and say anything to achieve power.
Is that what we need at this time of crisis?
Or do we need someone whose true character has been tested time and again?
With the wisdom to understand that now is not the time for ideology?
But rather is it time for a reformer?
A person who can and will work with the Democrats, Republicans and Independents?
A person who will exercise good judgment, while putting his country first?
McCain is no saint. He will be the first to admit he is far from perfect.
But, he is honest and he is wise.
Posted by: John_Frank | October 19, 2008, 7:48 pm 7:48 pm
Who reads this long crap anyway?
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Who reads this long crap anyway?
Posted by: chad22 | October 19, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Uh…Repubs….Dont you think if Obama was so bad that the FEDS, CIA, ATF…would have locked him up by now. Something must be right every major newspaper , billonaires , and mainstream america is supporting him. His campaign is unprecedented.
Posted by: Concerned AMerican
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In case you don’t know, william ayers is still free man, billionare have their own financial interest, left wing newspaper did the obvious.
Mainstream america supporting obama?
Posted by: USA-No1 | October 19, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
So now undecided voters are racist? To be undecided, according to the VP candidate, is to have a problem with Obama being African-American?
These accusations of racism are ugly, negative, constant and divisive. For gods sake, stop it. Stop playing with this country. Maybe it’s a game to the Obama campaign, but the rest of us are having a hard time out here, and this kind of ugly talk is not what we need.
You’re allowed to have a different candidate or not support Obama, last time I checked. You shouldn’t be accused of racism because of it.
Posted by: Tracey | October 19, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm
wow John Frank. That was pretty impressive. You seem very up on the facts. If you have the time (or anyone else who cares to respond) will you answer a few questions?
I am impressed that McCain proposed legislation regarding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Wasn’t aware of that. I also know that he suspended his campaign to deal with the bailout? What happened on that? Why was he called erratic? Do you honestly think he will offer more regulation because I think Wall Street needs it? I hope he is not more of the Bush, “give em tax breaks and then get out of the way.”
Also, what is your opinion of his VP choice, Sarah Palin? Does this choice reflect well on his judgment?
Lastly, do you understand McCain’s health care proposal? What does Barack mean when he says, “McCain will give you a $5,000 credit on the one hand and then tax you on the other?”
I’d appreciate a response on these issues if you have the time/inclination.
Posted by: Vicki | October 19, 2008, 8:16 pm 8:16 pm
Chad22 said: Who reads this long crap anyway?
I do, and it was well thought out, and very well said.
You might try reading sometime, instead of getting your arguments from Ariana , or the Kos.
John deserves applause for that post, for first, and foremost, he never showed any disrespect, or lowered himself to name calling.
We can tell the difference, between wisdom, and adolesence.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 19, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm
I’m ashamed of the hateful and foul language in the earlier articles, especially written by Rodney,chad22 and anyone who uses says Dam America. If you aren’t happy here in America, why don’t you go to where ever you can find it better.America was founded on the ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE.
I believe we are in the Last Days because of the evil and ungodly acts , such as the homosexual life style, murdering the unborn and the born-alive infants that are being killed,here in the United States of America.
I am not judging you ,God has already judged you in his word.
If you want to change and live the life that God intended for his people to live, you can change,but you have to ask God to forgive you for the sin that you are in,it’s not you personally, it is the sin.
I feel that voting Democrat, I would be opening the door to one of the fore-runners of the anti-christ, who is to come who will deceive all, who don’t know and believe in the true Christ.
JESUS is coming back to rapture those who are living for him, and the ones who don’t accept him now,he won’t remember you at the judgement, and you will go to Hell. This is my christian belief, and I’m not intending to offend any other religon.
Posted by: A Born Again Christian In America | October 19, 2008, 8:50 pm 8:50 pm
I’m ashamed of the hateful and foul language in the earlier articles, especially written by Rodney,chad22 and anyone who uses says Dam America. If you aren’t happy here in America, why don’t you go to where ever you can find it better.America was founded on the ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE.
I believe we are in the Last Days because of the evil and ungodly acts , such as the homosexual life style, murdering the unborn and the born-alive infants that are being killed,here in the United States of America.
I am not judging you ,God has already judged you in his word.
If you want to change and live the life that God intended for his people to live, you can change,but you have to ask God to forgive you for the sin that you are in,it’s not you personally, it is the sin.
I feel that voting Democrat, I would be opening the door to one of the fore-runners of the anti-christ, who is to come who will deceive all, who don’t know and believe in the true Christ.
JESUS is coming back to rapture those who are living for him, and the ones who don’t accept him now,he won’t remember you at the judgement, and you will go to Hell. This is my christian belief, and I’m not intending to offend any other religon.
Posted by: A Born Again Christian In America | October 19, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm
No. Joe the Senator, we’re just struggling to rationalize electing a man with about as much experience as my Uncle Leo.
Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? Many say that what you won’t make the same mistakes that others have because of your sound judgement (ie, your choice of pastor). The only thing, Senator, is that there still remain many mistakes yet to be written into this planet’s history books. You won’t always have the benefit of others experience, you’ll have to leverage your own experience and you have too little on which to base your judgement. I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell, Mr. Matthews … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the morale, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them (I have a friend that is an Army Reservist. He is deploying, again, to Iraq. He has a wife, a son and a daughter. He does not serve so that he can kill children and raid villages Senator). What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Did you at least play with the little green plastic troops when you lived in Hawaii? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung mentally Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning and learning from one’s mistakes. The surge worked Senator.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have access to affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the still unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that President Obama’s, Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax rate applied against his $0.00 income.
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, high cost American jobs would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those finding themselves newly unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message your handlers have planted in you, that message you think the voters want to hear. I was laughing a bit, but if I understand you correctly, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created, were actually created or do actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that timeframe passes? Let me point this out to my fellow voters. Senator Obama wants to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time he wants to turnaround and give them a tax credit for jobs they create? Senator, or maybe I should be addressing your advisers, you do realize that the two are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job decrease/increase. If you can convince us that those are winning policies Senator Obama, then I’d suggest you save us all some trouble, sell the American voters a bridge to nowhere and retire, pen some books, give some speeches. Indeed, your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama, not by a long shot.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Suicide rate? Pick a rate Senator.
Posted by: 0bama = 0 experience = 8 more years of Bush | October 19, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
No. Joe the Senator, we’re just struggling to rationalize electing a man with about as much experience as my Uncle Leo.
Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? Many say that what you won’t make the same mistakes that others have because of your sound judgement (ie, your choice of pastor). The only thing, Senator, is that there still remain many mistakes yet to be written into this planet’s history books. You won’t always have the benefit of others experience, you’ll have to leverage your own experience and you have too little on which to base your judgement. I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell, Mr. Matthews … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the morale, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them (I have a friend that is an Army Reservist. He is deploying, again, to Iraq. He has a wife, a son and a daughter. He does not serve so that he can kill children and raid villages Senator). What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Did you at least play with the little green plastic troops when you lived in Hawaii? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung mentally Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning and learning from one’s mistakes. The surge worked Senator.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have access to affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the still unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that President Obama’s, Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax rate applied against his $0.00 income.
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, high cost American jobs would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those finding themselves newly unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message your handlers have planted in you, that message you think the voters want to hear. I was laughing a bit, but if I understand you correctly, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created, were actually created or do actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that timeframe passes? Let me point this out to my fellow voters. Senator Obama wants to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time he wants to turnaround and give them a tax credit for jobs they create? Senator, or maybe I should be addressing your advisers, you do realize that the two are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job decrease/increase. If you can convince us that those are winning policies Senator Obama, then I’d suggest you save us all some trouble, sell the American voters a bridge to nowhere and retire, pen some books, give some speeches. Indeed, your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama, not by a long shot.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Suicide rate? Pick a rate Senator.
Posted by: 0bama = 0 experience = 8 more years of Bush | October 19, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm
No. Joe the Senator, we’re just struggling to rationalize electing a man with about as much experience as my Uncle Leo.
Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? Many say that what you won’t make the same mistakes that others have because of your sound judgement (ie, your choice of pastor). The only thing, Senator, is that there still remain many mistakes yet to be written into this planet’s history books. You won’t always have the benefit of others experience, you’ll have to leverage your own experience and you have too little on which to base your judgement. I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell, Mr. Matthews … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the morale, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them (I have a friend that is an Army Reservist. He is deploying, again, to Iraq. He has a wife, a son and a daughter. He does not serve so that he can kill children and raid villages Senator). What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Did you at least play with the little green plastic troops when you lived in Hawaii? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung mentally Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning and learning from one’s mistakes. The surge worked Senator.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have access to affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the still unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that President Obama’s, Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax rate applied against his $0.00 income.
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, high cost American jobs would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those finding themselves newly unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message your handlers have planted in you, that message you think the voters want to hear. I was laughing a bit, but if I understand you correctly, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created, were actually created or do actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that timeframe passes? Let me point this out to my fellow voters. Senator Obama wants to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time he wants to turnaround and give them a tax credit for jobs they create? Senator, or maybe I should be addressing your advisers, you do realize that the two are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job decrease/increase. If you can convince us that those are winning policies Senator Obama, then I’d suggest you save us all some trouble, sell the American voters a bridge to nowhere and retire, pen some books, give some speeches. Indeed, your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama, not by a long shot.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Suicide rate? Pick a rate Senator.
Posted by: 0bama = 0 experience = 8 more years of Bush | October 19, 2008, 8:56 pm 8:56 pm
You’re out there talking about race not even thinkng about 9/11.Those Arabs never said this is where blacks are;get them or white,hispanic and other races but they did what they want to do and off they go.Only a crack head will sit down on the computer to write about race when this country is being watched by the world in this election.we are safe here today is due to other countries help in war against terror.And its so clear that Macain have contributed so much in all this mess even saying that he will still be in Iraq for 100yrs bet you me,if he wins,both me and you will be running for our their lifes.
We need a break from republican party.We need to bring the world on our side again
Posted by: anijok | October 19, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm
Not racism, before Obama is elected as the leader of this country, someone MUST have him give an acceptable answer to the following question:
Why has he been drawn all his life to a succession of associates and mentors who have such intense hatred toward America, its history, government and large groups of its citizens? Wright, Phleger, Frank Davis, Klonsky, and Khaleed Al Mansoor, all extremist Anti-Americans.
The MSM, including ABC, seem unwilling to ask this imperative question and we see in the case of Joe the Plumber what happens to regular citizens who dare to question Obama.
Perhaps Obama has a very good reason for being drawn to such people but does ABC not want to inquire into this pertinent question before you coronate your candidate into the most powerful position in the world?
Whatever happened to the “right to know”?
Posted by: LogicalUS | October 19, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm
Hannitys America is airing a show right now all should watch
Posted by: tammy | October 19, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm
To Ethel, who probably thinks she made such a clever argument that she’s over a DU or Kos, high-fiving them:
If I don’t like socialism, don’t draw Social Security? Don’t use the VA hospital? Excuse me, but I’ve paid tens of thousands of dollars into Social Security during my career, with the promise that when I got too old to work, at least a portion of it would be given back to me. Darned straight I’m going to draw it, because it’s money that I earned that I’m going to get back — that is, *IF* your precious socialists don’t bankrupt the system by the time I retire. I notice on my pay stub that a portion of my taxes go to Medicare, as well, so I *will* use that when the time comes, as well. If I had had my choice, I would have invested that money myself, as I am doing with a portion of what I have left over after taxes. I wouldn’t use the VA hospital because I’ve never served in the armed forces, but anyone who has done so is entitled to be cared for by the country they serve, and be given the very best of care. I have no problem with that.
As for the bailout and the banking system, I suppose you didn’t see Pelosi and Reid and Schumer and Dodd and Franks and all of the DEMOCRATS standing at the podium, grinning from ear to ear, taking credit for the bailout? Most House Republicans opposed it. McCain stood by the House Republicans; otherwise, Democrats would have rammed through additional funding for groups like ACORN. I, personally, don’t agree with the bailout, but we’re all pretty much locked in to the banking system as we have it now. Even smaller banks that didn’t need a bailout were forced to agree to it. Your argument is ridiculous.
This has NOTHING to do with what Obama and his cronies want to do. They want to take money from people who have worked hard to earn it, and just give it to people who haven’t, plain and simple, out of what they claim to be “fairness”. Like I said before, who died and made Obama the arbiter of what is “fair”? Where did this $250,000 figure come from? How do we know he’s going to be able to stop there? Who is he to determine how much of our paychecks that we “need”?
And don’t tell me that I’m being un-Christian for saying this. My Bible tells me to be generous with MY money and MY possessions that I’ve earned. It doesn’t tell me to be generous with someone else’s. This is a blessed nation, and we have millions of very generous people who give, even when we need the money ourselves, but it’s OUR CHOICE, and we choose where to give it. Look at what happens whenever there is a natural disaster, whether it be Hurricane Katrina, the tsunami in Southeast Asia a couple of years ago, or even an earthquake in an unfriendly country like Iran. The people of this country ALWAYS step up to the plate and give of their time and materials. What Obama wants to do is to use the police power of the State to confiscate what people have earned and just dole it out as he sees fit. That is NOT what the Bible was talking about.
Posted by: Brenda | October 19, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm
Obama points to China and says, “Look at China and all the great things they are doing.” Obama forgot to mention the Chinese living in large cities earn about $330.00 per year, work on average of ten or more hours a day and NO holiday time. Just call the Democrats COOLIES.
The Nameless City Worker (Because the worker FEARS for their life.)
Jobs in the city pay more than jobs at the factories. However, the cost of living in the city is much higher as well. It’s not uncommon to find 4 or 5 people sharing a small apartment. Most unskilled jobs in Shanghai pay 1000 to 2000 RMB per month. Because of the low wages for unskilled workers, businesses create a lot of redundancy by employing a bunch of them. The restaurant industry is a prime example. They’ll have multiple greeters at the door and who knows how many more waiters inside. On our train ride to Suzhou, there was a greeter at every single train car.
Democrats would make really great greeters, but then there are the unskilled city worker that may have access to far more entertainment choices than one of the 250,000 workers at the iPod factory, they generally don’t make enough to really entertain themselves.
Nothing like Obama socialism that taxes the rich capitalist companies. Those rich capitalist companies can give Americans jobs if their taxes are kept low. When Obama calls for higher taxes of the great American corporations, then they can do it better in China for much less the cost. Of course, you will not be able to buy those cheap Chinese goods because you will not have a job, no health insurance, no house, no car, no money in the bank, no food, no education, no way to plan for a future. Gee Obama, your programs are really great, if a person can live as an insect. Not to mention that there will be very few working people to receive those tax reductions. Let’s see, that will leave the very wealthy and the poor. There will be NO MIDDLE CLASS.
Posted by: BlackJack | October 19, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm
In addition, with its millions of dollars in reporters, ABC in a full year couldn’t turn up what a single American citizen did in two hours at his local library?
Obama, Ayers and Klonsky shared the exact same office space during Obama’s time at the Annanberg Challenge!
OBAMA sd: “Just a guy in my neighborhood” Why did he have to lie about his close relationship with William Ayers?
Because William Ayers = Timothy McVeigh, and noone would tolerate a President who would worked closely with Timothy McVeigh and promoted his views, that is why.
Posted by: LogicalUS | October 19, 2008, 9:18 pm 9:18 pm
Number 1 for the last 8 years where has our tax money been used? Not in this country. At least under Obama it will be used for education, health care , the economy, rebuilding this country, take a look at the roads you use the bridges you cross how many times has your insurance turned down a claim. If I made $200,000 I would be more than happy to pay 1/2 in taxes as long as the taxes were being used in this country. As for Joe the plumber if he is afraid his taxes will go up all he has to do is make sure he doesn’t earn more than $250,000. And in my state he would be doing his plumbing illegally without a license even working for someone they have to be licensed. Just like driving a car.
Posted by: Rose Szymanski | October 19, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm
Brett Mellish,UK – Thank you my friend from UK. Thank you for being interested in our country. You are so right that the world is watching very closely to where we are heading next in this country. The respect of our nation is at an all time low around the world since President George W.Bush has represented our country. Let’s hope we can make a change for the better.
You obviously are a well educated and intelligent man. I, as a citizen of the United States of America, am embarrassed to read some of the hateful, bigoted, racial comments that are being written by my same fellow Americans within these blogs.
People are always afraid of change. Those wanting to scare people so they don’t change is the easiest tactic out there. Blowing ideas out of proportion.
We need someone who can look at the big picture. Seeing where our future will lead us. The (Tomorrows) for our families will not be easy in this country, no matter who is our leader.
We are in an enormous mess. It is very obvious, we need a turn in a new direction. Not heading completely the opposite way, but giving someone the steering wheel who will be willing to gently guide us around the huge manmade potholes which have hurt many of us because we did not see them coming. This new leader needs to stop and fill them in and figure what causes them so we don’t make another one,even larger, to be fallen into again.
We need a new leader who wants to help build bridges so we all can travel together over the obstacles. Not just allowing those over (the bridge of privilege) because they can, while the others must turn around and go the long way, but then paying a toll at the end. I think this is called Thievery. And most of the Americans are getting their pockets emptied.
We need to open our eyes and our hearts and realize we deserve better.
Yes, Brett, I too believe Barack Obama is that man. He and his running mate, Joe Biden ARE extraordinary and genuine men. Keeping a slow but steady pace towards the future. Unlike their counterparts, who have went to both sides, hiding along the side of that future path, depending on who they meet up with.
Obama/Biden 08
Posted by: Stacy the Stylist | October 19, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
So, is the following something made up by “Joe the 6 term Senator” or is it something he knows or is it just playing the race card – sideways kinda?
“Undecided people are having a difficult time just culturally making the change, making the move for the first African American president in the history of the United States of America,”
I doubt many “undecideds” are posting here – I am certainly not one of those.
I just prefer a straight answer, honest, humble, servant to his country – with a track record to prove it – over the bluff and nuanced “non-answer” persona of a “yet too young and inexperienced” candidate – whom I like as a person – but do not agree with politically at all.
Obama has shown a pragmatism – which could very well take him from being on the left of his party – to establishing himself as a good healthy center for the democratic party – It surely needs one more defined that it has now.
I compare him to Hillary, whom I would oppose on all grounds. I find Hillary to have matured and to hold more sound wisdom and understanding than Obama currently presents. Being a republican – I’d not be for Hillary nor Obama – that’s a given. But, if I had to choose between Hillary and Barack – it would be Hillary (remember I am a republican – so that’s not easy to say).
On Biden’s remarks above – I suspect he knows that Obama hasn’t closed the deal with “undecideds” and probably some of the polling data are supporting that “race” is a factor.
I hope I am wrong about that – I’d hate for “race” to be the only reason one would vote against a candidate. I dislike the idea that it would be the only reason a person would “vote for” a candidate was because the candidate was black – I dislike it – but honestly, I could understand it. It’s not wrong for a person to take pride in their race or culture – it’s not the highest moral ground – but when it comes to african americans voting for Obama – I could understand it – without animus.
peac4d.
amos
Posted by: Amos | October 19, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm
“If I made $200,000 I would be more than happy to pay 1/2 in taxes”
Why does Obama the Magnificient get to decide how much a business owner gets to earn? Do Michele and Barack turn over more than 50% in taxes to the government? Why should someone that builds a business by hardwork over 15 to 20 years often taking a loss in earnings to encourage growth of his business have to turn over his return on investments to a corrupt and inefficent government so that Obama can give it to people who HE thinks deserve it more?.
Obama had the directorship of the Annanberg Challenge which had at his disposal over 155 million dollars designated for the improvement of Chicago education. How did he spend it? Nearly all of it was funnelled to various radical leftist groups, like ACORN, to further promote the spread of socialist and marxist control of Chicago political power, not to education.
You are living in a dream world if you expect more from Obama. His “earmarks”, during his short time in Congress, were not to education projects or healthcare but to supporters and activists groups. He did, of course, steer over 2 million dollars to the hospital where Michele works.
Posted by: LogicalUS | October 19, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
Remember to VOTE!!! None of these polls mean a damned thing if we don’t vote. The neocons know how to steal elections. The only way to ensure that they don’t do it again is to give Obama/Biden a LANDSLIDE victory in every state possible. And if you live in a solid “red state” or “blue state” your vote still counts! We need a comfortable margin if we’re to ensure that our voices are heard. If it’s close they will try to keep your vote from counting. Also, don’t be intimidated at the polls!! Those RNC suits can’t do a thing to stop us from exercising our rights on Nov. 4th. We will send these scoundrels packing.
Posted by: D. | October 19, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm
The Democrats are going to keep playing the race card and instead of it making more people vote for him it will make less vote for him. All it is going to do on Election night is cause a surprise when McCain becomes the next President in a landslide. You cannot force people to vote for someone. I guess the Democrats will find that out on November 4
Posted by: Hillarysmygirl08 | October 19, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm
Why the liberals think that race should not be considered as a factor in this election? Why >95% of African Americans including Powell will not vote for McCain and Palin? Why is wrong for the non-blacks including Hispanics and Asians vote for McCain and Palin? I just don’t get this double standards.
Posted by: ABC-Joe | October 19, 2008, 10:45 pm 10:45 pm
wonder if there is truth to the candidate that bumps off mutual opponent wins in November despite poll numbers, monies raised and issues?
turns out that mutual opponent exposed corruption within both political parties and is presently targeted.
the question is will either party use the practice of ‘sweetheart exchange deal’ where solicited convicted felon commits crimes/murders in exchange for less jail time and conveniently covered up while culprits are not suspected?
Will GOP solicit Guiliani-like mob ties such as used by his protege, NYPD ex-commissioner who got indicted and may serve up to 140 years of jail time? Gotti, Jr. who is available while in the midst of his trial of conspiracy and murder charges?
Will Dems solicit an OJ Simpson-like black convicted felon already with jail time?
Given this information, should we worry about our physical safety too? For example, is it safe for us to walk in public? Is our car tampered with? Sleep in the middle of the night inside the privacy of our home as all our habits and plans are known in advanced due to bugging devices?
Posted by: faeaerg | October 19, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm
Shame on you, Sen. Biden! I am a Philly native, lived really close to your state, DE, so I have followed you and supported you for over 30 years now. But, when you purposely attempt to inject race and “white man’s guilt” into this campaign, simply to “scold” white undecided voters into feeling guilty and “racist” if they CHOOSE to vote for McCain; you insult the intelligence and inherent good judgement of ALL Americans! I do not plan to vote for Barack because of his weak character and lack of solid experience in executive government. I could care less if he is black, white, or rainbow-colored. He is too GREEN for me. Respect my vote Sen. Joe Biden!
Posted by: PhillyPaul | October 19, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm
THE HATEFUL rallys by Palin were just as scary as she is! I was NOT pro-Obama because of his inexperience, but I am voting DEMOCRATIC. Obama did the right thing to choose experience as his running mate with Joe Biden. Our nation needs this! VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN
Posted by: Darla | October 19, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
Obama supporters, please don’t get ahead of OURSELVES. The election is not here and it is not over. Anything can happen. Make sure everyone you know gets out there to vote, because you never know. I don’t want to hear comments like McCain’s done, and its over. Its not over untill every vote is counted. The polls mean absolutely nothing. The polls only show how people feel at the moment of the phone call. Don’t be one of those people that assumes that its over, and don’t go out to vote. Get out there and get your friends and families out there. I don’t want you to wake up on 5 November and wonder what the heck just happened. Vote, and get all your friends and families to vote.
Posted by: Jason | October 19, 2008, 11:39 pm 11:39 pm
Gimme a break Biden. . .for every one vote Obama loses from being black, he gains two votes for the same reason. If it was a black thing, Hillary would have been the nominee. Stop playing the race card. . .you’re wearing it out.
Posted by: Present | October 19, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
So…let me get this straight:
If I were still an “undecided” voter, Joe “plugs” Biden has just insinuated that I have a “cultural” problem with Barack Obama?
Gee…nothing like NOT playing the race card, huh? Nothing like being “above racial division”, ay?
BS…pure and simple.
If I were an “undecided”, I’d take great offense at this…basically being told I’m still undecided because I might be a racist.
Did you know the word “culturally” is a racist word? Thanks to Biden and the context of his comment, it is anyway.
Posted by: Tal | October 19, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
anijok, you should interpret McCain “100 year in Iraq” comments in its proper context then maybe you will get it. Don’t be so naive.
Our troops are still in Korea, Germany, Italy…….
Posted by: USA-No1 | October 20, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am
THE HATEFUL rallys by Palin were just as scary as she is! I was NOT pro-Obama because of his inexperience, but I am voting DEMOCRATIC. Obama did the right thing to choose experience as his running mate with Joe Biden. Our nation needs this! VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN
Posted by: Darla
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Darla, perhaps you should go to one of obamas rallys and see what hatefull is.
Sarah Palin is scary? Usual leftists talking point propaganda.
At least obama recognized his weakness and get biden to help him. Too bad biden experience has being more wrong than right.
obama/biden spells disaster to our country
Posted by: USA-No1 | October 20, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Before some of the McCain gut busters claim Biden said what the haeadline writers chose to use as a summary, please get the quote right. He did not say race is “holding” anyone back.
Now I do note that a lot of people who say they are tired of hearing “race card” from the Obama camp are the same ones I have heard all day saying Powell endorsed Obama because they are both black. Look inward, idiots.
Posted by: ricky | October 20, 2008, 12:50 am 12:50 am
D, I need to correct something you wrote:
“Remember to VOTE!!! None of these polls mean a damned thing if we don’t vote. The neocons know how to steal elections.”
That should read:
Remember to VOTE!!! None of these polls mean a damned thing if we don’t vote. The DEMOCRATS, WITH THE HELP OF ACORN, know how to steal elections.
There. Fixed it.
Posted by: Brenda | October 20, 2008, 1:12 am 1:12 am
Why do the Dems keep bringing up race and accusing everybody who votes for McCain as racist? They’re trying to guilt people into voting for Obama instead of talking about real issues. They’re afraid because the polls are tightening and Obama’s socialist agenda has been revealed. Don’t buy into independents. Use your head and vote for freedom. Vote McCain/Palin ’08!
Posted by: 42n82bfearless | October 20, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am
To Darla: “Hateful” rallies by Palin? I hate to tell you this, but the accounts of things that were supposedly said by attendess at those rallies (e.g., “Kill him!”) have been DEBUNKED! NO ONE could corroborate the account, including the Secret Service detail. Sorry to disappoint you.
Contrast that with the REAL hatefulness on the side of the Left: a woman in NYC, carrying a McCain/Palin sign and having it ripped out of her hands, ripped apart, and then being beaten with it by an OBAMA supporter; Obama supporters wearing T-Shirts describing Palin as a c**t; the grave-dancing on every Lefty site whenever a high-profile dies or becomes ill.
Want to see more examples of the kind of peace, love, and tolerance demonstrated by the oh-so-loving, oh-so-much-better-than-the-rest-of-us Democrats? All you need to do is look here:
http://article.nationalreview.com/print/?q=MjM4NjFjZTc5MGJmMzkzMDE1NWUzZDlkOTEzOWUxMzQ=
Posted by: Brenda | October 20, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
It wasnt color that made Obama defeat Mc Cain 3to 0 in the debates. It wasnt color that got him eelected to go against Mc Cain. It wasnt color that got him through as one of the highest esteemed persons to graduate from Harvard in its history of education. It wasnt color that people like Biden and Powell gravitate toward him. It was not color that exceptionally ran a campaign and made historic decisions on how to run it as best as it could be run with great financial decisions. It wasnt color that gave us great hope and inspiration in his patriotic speech 4 years ago that propelled him towards now. It was not his color that people are attracted to. If you allow yourself to look for one time into his life by reading his book and tributes to his White mother and grandparents. If you look into his intentions and rhetoric the tone of it. The ideas behind them and hear the actual words you know that is the person for President we all want. Look past the color for your country. Mc Cain was beaten on most occasions matched with Obama in wits and policy. Those things dont just happen because of color. They happen because the person is just a better fit to be President.
Posted by: Chris | October 20, 2008, 1:33 am 1:33 am
Oh, yes, since the Republicans have not said a word about Obama’s race, the Democrats have to bring it back up again. Since everyone in this country that does not support Obama is a racist, what are the people who do not support McCain? Anti-Senior Citizenists? If they don’t like Palin, are they sexists? Do you hear the Repubs spouting this every day? No. Just like most “examples” of racism today. It is all in their heads.
A co-worker applied for a position. He was 19, knew how to perform one task out of ten necessary to do the job, and was a high school drop out. He was black, and no he didn’t drop out to work and support a family, etc. He smoked dope in his car during lunch and returned to work high every day so what does that tell you. Another co-worker applied, knew how to perform every task, 40 years old, retired military, college graduate. He was white. He got the job. Every black employee in the place told the 19 year old that he did not get the job because he was black. Wound him up to the point that he physically attacked the supervisor in the break room, turned over a vending machine and broke the lunch table. So then he was fired from the position he had. Guess what the real reason he was fired was? Racism of course. Had nothing to do with assault or property damage. He felt that was justified. I get sick of hearing it.
Posted by: Melanie | October 20, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
melanie Obama is not the 19 year old black teenager. He isnt 100% black. Mc Cain isnt that military employee either. I am a military or ex rather. I will tell you a story. I served in Bosnia one time and i used to guard this radio tower on a mountain top filled with snow. I had a black Sgt. with me as my superior. We used to go up there and there where kids who waited for us to get fed because their parents where killed by the genocide in Bosnia so they waited for us to feed them. Everyday my Black Sgt went to the cafeteria to get extra food to feed those kids in the morning. Everyday! Somedays he even skipped eating himself to give his portion of food to that kid. That was a military soldier still in the Army and in Iraq right now fighting for your country and I was honored to serve with all of them. In GA. Ft Stewart there are alot of African American soldiers. They are there right now soldiers like my NCO and feeding kids and kicking terrorist butt. That is my story of one of them Melanie. I have met many more of them absolute heros one and all.
Posted by: Chris | October 20, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am
The more I read some of these posts, the more I feel sorry for some of you. A lot of responses are based solely on snippets that you may read or hear one place or another. A lot of it is verbatim from some of the hype coming off the campaign. A lot of you think you’re so intelligent, but I beg to differ that some of you have the audacity to keep carrying on an ignorant conversation. If you can sit at your PC and write the crap that you do. Then you need to do as I and other intelligent people have done. Its called RESEARCH!!! Do your own, have a open mind. Thoroughly check out the candidates and make your choice and not do it the lazy way and just go by the snippets you read,or hear. We all bleed red, we’re all HUMAN BEINGS. I judge people by the content of their character not gender or race. Its really sad that racism is still so alive. We need to be diverse and hope for a better world for our children and their children. Hatred eats away your life. In the state that our economy is in, this is not a joke! Its time we all have a vision for change.
Posted by: mamajpm | October 20, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
Obama supporter’s remind me of citizens of Jonestown. They don’t realize they screwed up until its too late…ZZZZZ….zzzzz..zz……z… . . . Don’t drink it!!!
Posted by: Jim | October 20, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am
Undecided people are having a difficult time just culturally making the change, making the move for the first African American president in the history of the United States of America,” the Democratic vice-presidential nominee said at a San Francisco fundraiser Saturday evening.
Interesting the views that emerge from San Francisco fundraisers, isn’t it? I guess Biden is just bitterly clinging to the oratorical example of the head of the ticket.
Posted by: Kirsten Powers | October 20, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
Chris, with all due respect (and THANK YOU for your service), I think you may have missed the point of Melanie’s post. I don’t think she was saying that Obama is like the 19-year-old kid in her example, or that all black people are alike. I believe she was trying to say that the Obama camp is constantly ascribing racist motives to those who choose not to support him, whether they exist or not (and I believe that in most cases, they do not). In Melanie’s example, the white man was unjustly beaten up by black co-workers, and subsequently fired, after his black co-workers were made to believe that the reason he got his job, over a far less-qualified black teenager. In fact, THEIR motives were racist.
I’m sure the man you described is a fine person, and it was an honor to serve with him. I, too, work on a daily basis with people of all different races and ethnicities, with many fine African-Americans among them. I deal with everyone as human beings, period.
The problem I have with Obama is NOT related to race. I simply believe that he is ill-prepared to be the President of the United States, with even LESS experience than the much-maligned Sarah Palin. He is also way too far to the Left for my tastes, and I think he would lead the country toward socialism. His campaign is straight out of “Rules for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky. The fact is, I would not vote for Barack Obama if he were white, black, brown, red, blue, green, orange, yellow, or pink with purple polka dots.
Posted by: Brenda | October 20, 2008, 2:49 am 2:49 am
It’s been a long time since liberals have been out of the closet, race baiting like this. I remember it. I remember it came with massive reverse discrimination, violence, high taxation and scapegoating, too.
It was the Duke lax racial smear attack on steriods -day and night; night and day. It was disgusting. Liberals really do hate you whitey.
Posted by: sara | October 20, 2008, 3:54 am 3:54 am
John McCain is a big fraud, who has willingly traded his soul for the chance of redeeming himself from the failure he was consigned to from birth. Most would-be admirers of John McCain have been turned off by his total embrace of George orWell Bush and his dangerous philosophy. How can someone of such low integrity assume that the American people are that dumb to look, but not see, how devious and self-seeking he really is? Even denies his heritage as southern slave-owners, and tries to ignore the fact that his clan members include mixed-race people fathered by the McCain slave-plundering lineage. He reminds me of Strum Thurman who would publicly voice whatever ugly thought was in his racist mind, whilst secretively fathering mixed-race children with a black woman. Republicans are a disreputable lot and their party is, without doubt, a criminal enterprise that would destroy America.
Posted by: Emilio | October 20, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am
We’re sick of the right wing extremists who have taken over the Republican party.
We’re sick of the fear talk that divides Americans and the hate talk that fouls American prosperity.
We’re sick of the hate talk radio jocks who think they’re reliving the rise of Nazi Germany, driving out every point of view that isn’t extreme right wing and racist.
We’re sick of racists repeating the term “race card” “race card” when they really mean “lynch somebody”.
We’re sick of racists repeating the slander cry of “socialist” “socialist” when we know they really mean the N-word.
We’re sick of being called names for upholding the principles that Americans believe in, like equal rights regardless of sex or race, equal justice for all, and a news media that resists the extremist right agenda.
We’re sick of having a foreign policy run by extremist right wing arms manufacturers and neocons clinging to a Hitler-like goal of world conquest.
We’re sick of a tax system that serves the CEO who gets a multi-million dollar bonus when he runs the company to the ground and jumps ship.
We’re sick of right wing propaganda tactics — you can see a dozen examples right here in this blog.
We have fought back harder and harder with each election the extremist’s have stolen. They can’t win in America, that’s why they want to destroy America, and they hide behind our flag to do it.
I’m resisting the right wing propaganda machine. I’m resisting the voice of people who shout without human reasoning, telling me to be afraid and trying to dominate everyone.
I’m voting for Democracy in America in 2008. I’m voting for Liberty. I am voting Democratic. I am voting for Barack Obama!
Posted by: Citizen of Chicago | October 20, 2008, 6:30 am 6:30 am
Biden and the dems love to accuse whites who don’t vote for Obama of being racist. Could it be that he is the most unvetted candidate in history? Could it be his record of lack of judgement and consistency when he aligns himself and then dumps ACORN, Ayers, and Wright? If only Americans were as stupid as Biden’s and media’s rhetroic imply, then they would all elect Obama out of sheer guilt! Why do blacks including Powell vote 99% for Obama? Is that racist?
Posted by: Rob | October 20, 2008, 6:41 am 6:41 am
There is a special on the communtiy organizer, Obama.
He worked to promote ACORN.
African Americans are going nuts for this guy for no reason.
Wake up Democrats.
The accusations that the Republican party are making about Obama are facts.
What does the public expect Obama to say, yes I am friends with Farrakhan, I love my black value church in Chicago, I worked for Acorn, I do have Muslim ties.
Obama is a con. He does what cons do.
Posted by: al from nj | October 20, 2008, 7:35 am 7:35 am
Well if people are going to vote solely on race and not for who is the right man for the job then I say this: If race is the issue why worry about the fact that Obama is African-American and not about the fact that he is a Muslim. He might have converted over to Christianity…but the fact remains, he was raised a muslim. And giving the current circumstances with the war and who we are fighting, If I was going to let race make my decision for me, then that’s why I wouldn’t vote for him. Not because he is African American. I also have to add that I am voting for him. I do think he is the better candidate and I just pray that he does the job he is promising and not just making empty promises.
Posted by: Lily | October 20, 2008, 8:02 am 8:02 am
Lily–What has he done that makes you think he is a better candidate?
Posted by: amazed801 | October 20, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am
well amazed, I am ashamed to say this…but the reason I finally decided to vote for him was because of the way he handled himself on the debates. I was very undecided as to who to vote for because I have been a democrat all my adult life and I really don’t like republicans in office. But the more I read and find out about Obama, the less inclined I am to vote for him. Especially since he really hasn’t done anything for this country thus far. That may sound childish to most people and it probably is, but I actually took the time to read most of this blog after my first comment and did some more research on Obama and can’t believe how people are swayed just by the fact that he is black. Plus, I also liked Biden in his debate, so that swayed me even more toward Obama. Personally I can’t imagine another 4 years like the past 8 we’ve had with Bush and thats why I am so reluctant to vote republican. But I don’t believe in a socialist economy either and It seems thats where Obama is headed. I also don;t believe in deregulation which is where the republicans stand. So who is the best candidate. OMG I wish I knew. And now I am back to square one and who am I voting for…
Posted by: Lily | October 20, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am
Its especially difficult to elect a black President when the nominee is a lightweight who has never run so much as a hot dog stand.Nor am I re-assured because Colin Powell believes in racial solidarity and thinks no one can recognize it.Obama qualified? Give me a break
Posted by: lynn | October 20, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am
Race baiting always works…(rolling eyes).
Race baiting works on Black voters to keep them on the Democrat Party reservation. It moves in the opposite direction for the target of the race smear – non-socialist white voters.
With the Black racist fool Rev. Wright -Obama’s “spiritual mentor” and William Ayers – Obama’s “neighbor” who he happened to work with on transforming Chicago education into a Cuban style youth indoctrination camp, you must be a very dirty racist not to vote for the dear One.
What liberals fail to see is that they are the racists of our time. Their race hate and order of preferences for power strategy does not appeal to the general population of any race, except for other left wing racists. Racists are a minority. They make most of the population gag.
The last time we saw liberals play hate for power was in Durham, NC. There, a democart DA named Nifong was running for office and to get out the Black racist vote, he was caught by the ABA of falsely prosecuting three innocent white Duke Lacrosse players for a rape of a Black woman that never happened, to the cheers of Duke Socialist faculity and students and the National media. It was a shameful display of liberal racism and many were shamed, but not the socialists.
The Socialists of Durham and their black racist supporters still claim “something happened” when it was proven that nothing happened, the men were falsely accused and the mentally ill false accuser was used by Nifong and his socialist supporters for race hate power.
Obama claims to be a man of a new generation; a man of hope and change. Race baiting and racial discrimination and scapegoating is of past generations.
Socialism is an ideology that has failed in the past and he wants to reach back and bring it out of retirement.
There is nothing new about Obama. His policies, his hate filled radical friends and mentalities are of a dark time long past. That goes for Michelle, too.
Posted by: sara | October 20, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am
I’m an African American, you might just say a black man. I know 98% of black will vote for Obama because he’s black. Remember, he’s not US African American like us, he’s Kenya (African) American. See the difference? My family have been here for more than 200 years, they were slaves, some fought in the civil war, they became free, they helped out during WWII and after that they suffered segregation and discrimination till 1960s. My grandparents and my parents and relatives marched along with Dr. King. My parents were not allowed to share the same bus or restaurants or restrooms with White. Look at Obama, his father was from Kenya, didn’t suffer the prejudice like we, the African American in the US had to suffer. He went to good colleges where we African American in the US wouldn’t even dreamed of going that time.
Now, Obama is getting all support from black people because he is black. His people are using his skin color to get black peoples’ vote. And he uses his pictures with his White mother and white grandparents to get White peoples’ vote. He’s nothing but an opportunist who is playing his race so well in this game.
Who really is this Obama guy? Is he really one of us? Can we really trust him?
Posted by: sam | October 20, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am
I’m laughing at the Obama supporters wanting to count every vote. Libspeak for ‘let us cheat’ to achieve our objective.
How about just counting every legitimate vote?
Democrats are trying to steal an election again and their supports are, once again, ok with that. Unbelievable.
Posted by: D1109 | October 20, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Well imagine that, Biden plays the race card. The fact is in the end we all lose. If Obama wins and follows his current political ideology we become socialist. If Mccain wins evrybody cries about being the victim of a racist conspiracy. Big surprise. Our government and we can’t win either way because people are just too ignorant of the true facts. All we hear are half-truths – so where’s the change here?
Posted by: Phil | October 20, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm
Has anybody else noticed that the only people pointing out Obama’s racial heritage (ad-nauseum) are the people who fanatically support him and those involved in his campaign (including his media supporters)? Who are the true racists here, those who still clearly see his color and see it as a “problem” for him or those who oppose him based on his political views?
Posted by: Phil | October 20, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Biden is wrong – it’s not about Obama’s skin color!
Biden is correct – Obama’s INEXPERIENCE will incite an international crisis!
Just what we need – another attack on U.S. soil.
NObama!
Dems for McCain/Palin
Posted by: JoseyJ | October 20, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
John Kerry says to vote for Obama BECAUSE he’s a Black man! Forget Obama’s Empty Suit.
We MUST elect a BLACK president – even one that’s a media creation and a cash cow for the media.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/03/kerry-obama-cou.html
Geraldine Ferraro was correct.
Dems for McCain/Palin
Posted by: JoseyJ | October 20, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
For all of you Liberals out there saying McCain should have picked a more experienced VP, how can you say that with a straight face when your Presidential pick has no experience either? Tell me one thing he has done to show he is Qualified? He has Lied about Rezko! He has lied about Rev. Wright! He has lied about Bill Ayres! He has lied about ACORN! So if lying qualifies you to be President I guess he is! Know lets talk judgment for a moment meeting without pre-condition with Iran and saying they are not a threat to the United States bad judgment! taking three tries to get his stance on the Russia/Georgia crisis bad Judgment! Taking large amounts of money from Fannie and Freddie Bad Judgment! Pushing high risk sub-prime mortgages bad Judgment! Not demanding oversight on Freddie and Fannie bad Judgment! Wanting to push towards Socialism by the spreading the wealth bad judgment! Wanting to double the Capital Gaines Tax in a struggling economy bad Judgment! Obama has continued to show bad Judgment and a lack of foreign policy experience and all of you seam so brainwashed by him. I do not intend on voting for Obama for these reasons and I look forward to vote for John McCain on the 4th. I have not bought into the fears the Democrats keep pushing about McCain! I know McCain is different than Bush and has always had to fight the Republican party because he has crossed the isle to work with Democrats. Joe Lieberman is supporting him and he was the Democrats choice for VP in 2000! What has Obama ever done to work across the isle? Over 97% of the time he has voted with his party the same Party that has a less than 15% approval rating in Congress! You want to know the difference between Obama and Palin is Palin would be second in command, Obama would be first! I call on all Hillary supporters who had the great Judgment to say Obama was not ready to lead this country in the Primary! I call on all 18 million of you to support the McCain/ Palin ticket not the ticket that stole the nomination from your parties best Candidate Hilary Clinton!
Posted by: batesba74 | October 20, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
This is the kind of politics Obama is supposed to be against! Obama should denounce this at once! What a hypocritical disgusting campaign!
I’m voting McCain because I do not want to be called a racist for the next 4 years.
Posted by: BS | October 20, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
>>>>Tell me one thing he has done to show he is Qualified?
Obama meets the 35 year old requirement and was supposedly born in the U.S.
Other than that – nuttin!
But of course, all of us voting against his Empty Suit are considered racists!
Dems for McCain/Palin
Posted by: JoseyJ | October 20, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Sounds to me that Biden is propping for an Obama loss; that he knows many Americans see through O and the Dems are scared that they will be seen as the charlatans they are. They propped up a clueless follower that would do Pelosi’s and Reid’s bidding for the next four years. But Biden doesn’t have the stomach to do that so they’ll claim the race card
And I’m a Dem – was pro O for a while until I discovered how he treated his constituents in the Chicago southside
Posted by: Mary the liberal | October 20, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
“I also know that he suspended his campaign to deal with the bailout?
What happened on that?”
This post is going to be long because it is important to fully understand the facts, including pertinent background.
On September 24 Senator McCain suspended his President campaign to go back to Washington to help settle the financial rescue (sometimes called the ‘bailout’) legislation.
Commentators have suggested that his actions in dealing with the financial crisis were “erratic.” It has been claimed that his decision to suspend his campaign was just a “political stunt.”
The surface “optics” could allow you to characterize his actions in that manner.
But, let’s look at the facts.
1. The first two weeks of September were marked by significant turmoil on the stock market. This was due to a number of factors. The primary reason? Continued tightening of the credit markets. Why? Financial institutions were “concerned” about lending to each other. At the same time stock prices of some investment banks, insurance firms and regulated banks continued to plummet.
2. Over the weekend of September 14, Merrill Lynch agreed to sell itself to Bank of America. Meetings were also held to stave off the collapse of Lehman Brothers. However, that effort failed.
3. On September 15 Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy. This was the biggest bankruptcy in American financial history, far larger than Enron or World Com.
The bankruptcy leads to “significant” turmoil on stock and credit markets and crisis of confidence.
4. In response, Senator McCain stated the “fundamentals of the economy are strong” and not to panic. Senator McCain was slammed in some parts of the media and by Senator Obama for being “out of touch” in making his remarks.
Hmm … oh I know, in times of crisis let’s all yell “fire” and cause everyone to panic.
Right. I mean let’s not stay calm. Let’s “talk” the economy into a crisis, if that will help you get elected.
5. On September 16, the “crisis” worsens. The Federal Reserve announces the $85 billion dollar “bailout” AIG on terms, to stave off collapse of a systemic financial participant.
6. On September 18, Senator McCain called for the resignation of the Chairman of the SEC, Chris Cox, a Republican and Bush appointee.
McCain said the SEC, the primary regulator of Wall Street, had let “speculators and hedge funds turn our markets into a casino.”
“The chairman of the SEC serves at the appointment of the president and, in my view, has betrayed the public trust,” McCain said. “If I were president today, I would fire him.”
Many media commentators claimed this call was “rash.”
7. In the evening of September 18, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Secretary Paulsen met with the Congressional leadership in the Speaker’s Office. They tell those present that America is facing a systemic meltdown of the financial sector which could lead to total economic collapse
8. On September 19, Senator McCain called for creating a trust to review mortgage and financial institutions, identify weaker ones and strengthen them before insolvency. “Today we need a plan that doesn’t wait until the system fails,” he said. “For troubled institutions, this will provide an orderly process through which to identify bad loans and eventually sell them.” In the meantime, Senator Obama is still “observing” the situation.
9. On September 19, Secretary Paulsen sends his plan over to Congress to deal with the crisis. This is ultimately posted online.
In essence he asks for $700 billion dollars of taxpayer’s money with no strings attached to fight the crisis and “bailout” the financial sector.
10. Senator Obama has yet to say how he would deal with the crisis.
The week of September 21 – 27.
11. Between Monday and Thursday, the Democrats are negotiating with Paulsen over the details of the “bailout” legislation.
During this time, there is a hearing on Tuesday before the Senate Banking Committee. Fed Chairman Bernanke and Secretary Paulsen were “questioned” about the plan submitted by the Treasury. At the end of the Senate hearing, Senator Dodd, a Democratic and the Committee Chair stated that what Paulsen was proposing would not work and would need significant modification.
There was also a hearing on Wednesday before the House Finance Committee lead by Congressman Frank.
12. On Wednesday, Senator McCain announced that he was suspending his campaign and returning to Washington to help deal with the crisis.
13. That evening, shortly before President Bush addressed the nation, the two campaigns issued a joint press statement which said that the bailout plan was “flawed” but that “the effort to protect the American economy must not fail.”
“Now is a time to come together — Democrats and Republicans — in a spirit of cooperation for the sake of the American people,” read the statement,
14. When asked in the media why he was suspending his campaign and returning to Washington, Senator McCain said that he was an old Navy man.
When there is a crisis of this type, it’s “all hands on deck.”
He acknowledged that he was not certain what help he could provide, but he felt it was his duty to be “in the ring.”
Many media pundits said that Senator McCain was just pulling a “political stunt;” although it is interesting that President Clinton in a rare interview with CNBC during the middle of the crisis said that he felt Senator McCain was quite genuine in his concerns.
15. On Thursday, President Bush invited Senators Obama and McCain to a Thursday afternoon meeting at the White House to discuss the crisis. There are hints in the media that a deal will be ready to be “blessed.”
16. Prior to McCain’s return to Washington, Senator Reid (the Senate Majority Leader – Democrat) had made it clear that any legislation could not be passed without Senator McCain’s approval.
17. However, when Senator McCain arrives back in Washington, after the Democrats announced they had reach “agreement” around noon on Thursday on what the legislation should be, Senator Reid protested about the return of Senator McCain, calling it a “stunt.”
Hmm … First Reid says he needs McCain’s approval. Then, when McCain does get involved, Reid claims that involvement is just “political.”
What!?
Let’s look at certain key elements of the legislation the Democrats were proposing and that had been settled with Treasury.
18. There were a number of very legitimate “concerns” with the proposed version of the legislation that the Democrats wanted to pass.
A. The Democratic legislation called for the first 20% of the funds paid back to the Treasury from the eventual sale or realization on purchased assets or acquired equity to be used to set up an “affordable housing fund” to be managed by ACORN.
Hmm … The total amount of the “bailout” was $700 billion, so we are talking about a fund of upwards of $140 billion, assuming full recovery from asset sales and the rest.
How would this fund work? Who would be eligible to get a loan from the “fund?” Did ACORN have the ability to manage such a fund? Why ACORN?
None of this was spelled out in the Democratic legislative proposal, just that the first 20% of funds realized by Treasury would be used for this purpose.
Sure, setting up an affordable housing fund and using some of the proceeds realized sounds from the original rescue package sounds at first blush like a good idea.
But remember, the Government does not have $700 billion “on hand” to simply fund this rescue package. We have to borrow the money at a time when we are running huge annual deficits and the Country is already deeply in debt.
Unless the plan was well thought out, properly regulated and managed, we could end up with another boondoggle on our hands.
Besides, why use public funds for this purpose?
If there was a market need for such a fund, why not let private participants capitalize the fund?
Is not the better role of Government to properly regulate the market place to prevent abuse, fraud, mismanagement and excess?
Had not the failure to do this in the sub-prime and alt A loan market got us into this mess in the first place?
So, let’s just hold onto “our horses” and fix the present mess, before venturing off into new fields of endeavor.
B. While the Democratic legislation called for oversight, the proposed oversight was fraught with complex and conflicting reporting requirements. The process was poorly thought out and would not serve those seeking or wanting information very well.
C. The Democratic legislation imposed a number of restrictions and requirements on market participation that were not fully thought out and could well end up defeating the very purpose of the plan. More flexibility was required.
D. The Democratic legislation wanted to amend the bankruptcy laws to allow judges to compel lenders to amend the terms of the underlying loan. It was felt this would create market uncertainty about loan values and repayment terms, making it even more difficult to value the underlying loan portfolios.
E. The Democratic legislation did not give any meaningful way for the Country to recoup any losses arising from the “rescue” from the financial sector
Now, remember the total amount being by Treasury is $700 billion.
F. Under the original proposal, Treasury wanted to use this money to buy different classes of assets from various financial institutions.
As Secretary Paulsen explained it, imagine as if the financial sector has just had heart attack, due to clogged arteries.
To get blood (credit) flowing again, you had to “unclog the credit arteries” of all the assets that no one was willing to trade due to “lack of trust.”
The plan was to hold these assets until the underlying loans came to maturity, or re-sell the assets back into the market, once “trading” restarted.
But a lot of economists were not sure that this was the best way to proceed.
Why not inject equity directly into financial institutions to help recapitalize the banks. Would we not get a bigger bang for our buck going this way?
Why not set up an insurance fund to help insure the true value of the underlying loans? We now how to asses loan values. We could set up an insurance fund for this purpose. We already do this.
The net result of this approach would be that the initial capital outlays would be far less, although we would have to ensure appropriate funds were set aside from the authorized moneys to cover the potential risk of default.
Ultimately, with this proposal, would not the financial institutions through the payment of premiums end up funding their own bailout?
Why not adjust certain accounting rules to allow for situations where the underlying loans are fully performing and the security holder has no interest or need to sell the securitized loan package, instead of requiring that holders of these securities mark the value to the “market price,” especially when there was no market for these types of highly specialized security instruments?
All of these concerns had been “floated” but … with the Democrats claiming an “agreement” with Treasury, the scene now moves to the White House.
19. On Thursday afternoon there was a “big” meeting at the White House to discuss the “crisis” and review the agreement the Democrats had reached with Treasury.
Present was President Bush, flanked by Speaker Pelosi and Majority Leader Reid.
Also present were members of the Republican House and Senate leadership, including Senator Shelby the ranking Republican on the Senate Banking committee.
Finally, we have Senator Obama at one end of the table and Senator McCain at the other table, along with representatives from Treasury.
The purpose of the meeting?
Depends on whom you ask.
The Democrats, (including Senator Obama) along with President Bush and Treasury wanted a deal.
(I believe House Minority Leader Boner said they were trying to “thrust the deal down his throat.)
Senator McCain said “No.”
You may recall that Senator Shelby left the meeting by the front door, saying there was an agreement to disagree … while holding up a sheaf of papers from economists who said the bailout legislation was flawed … with Senator Obama and Senator McCain leaving by separate entrances without speaking to the waiting media.
Interestingly, there was a picture taken during the course of the meeting which was published in the media showing Obama looking at McCain with a “glare on his face.”
Maybe that’s because he got caught with his hand in the cookie jar for his friends at ACORN?
20. Senator McCain’s action in saying “No” gave the House Republicans an opportunity to negotiate a much better deal with Treasury and the House Democrats for the benefit of the American people.
The affordable housing fund to be managed by ACORN was taken out.
The option of setting up an insurance fund was added as another tool for use by Treasury.
The process of having Treasury purchase either equity or assets, along with the stipulated participating requirements was streamlined and made clear, so that each intended “process” could properly function.
The method of Treasury drawing down on the total fund was strengthened.
The reporting and oversight process was streamlined and strengthened.
The proposed changes to the bankruptcy laws were removed from the legislation.
The Bill calls for the President to report to the House after 5 years on any shortfall and how to recoup these monies.
The Bill allows for changes to the “mark-to-market” accounting rules by the SEC.
The Bill addressed concerns raised by Community Banks who had suffered unintended losses when Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were placed into “conservatorship.”
Ultimately the legislation as presented to the House on Monday, September 29 became a true bi-partisan effort to address the crisis, with the net result that the legislation was much improved and more focused.
21. With matters at hand, Senator McCain left Washington and returned to the campaign trail, participating in the debate that Friday evening.
But, only after he had lost a day in preparation time.
And only after he had been lambasted by the Democrats for upsetting their deal.
And only after he had been lambasted by many in the media for “pulling a stunt” by suspending his campaign, while threatening to call off the debate if no deal was reached.
Now during the debate McCain had an opportunity to take a “clean shot” at Obama over the crisis and in the views of some “blow” Obama out of the water. Maybe yes, maybe no. But McCain declined.
Why? “Country first.” Let’s get the deal done, give Treasury the tools needed to stop the patient from dying and move forward with the recovery, including ensuring “never again.”
22. When the House and Senate ultimately passed the “rescue” legislation on the following Friday, after the first go around failed, due in part to hyper-partisan ship on the part of Speaker Pelosi and a foolish response by some House Republicans, Senator McCain was not only criticized by Democrats and their media supporters, but also by various Republican pundits.
The appearance of Senator McCain dropping everything and responding to the “call for action” while Senator Obama remained aloof and distant, in this age of “image over substance” allowed Obama and media pundits to “charge” that Senator McCain’s actions during this period had been “erratic.”
Yup, the man who called for the resignation of Chairman Cox of SEC because of his failure to properly enforce the voluntary regulation of the investment banks, which could have prevented much of the crisis, was called “erratic.”
The man who headed the call for “all hands on deck” at a time of grave national crisis and insisted on a true bi-partisan effort to handle the situation, which ultimately led to much better legislation, giving Treasury all the tools it needed to fight the financial crisis at hand, was called “erratic.”
Hmm … Politics makes for some very strange myths.
Next question:
“Do you honestly think he will offer more regulation because I think Wall Street needs it?”
Yes.
While Senator McCain has acknowledged that less regulation is better than more regulation, he has made it crystal clear that our existing fiscal regulatory scheme is totally out of date and we need to bring it up to date.
Don’t forget that Senator McCain is a reformer in the spirit of Teddy Roosevelt, someone who believes and has constantly fought for all our interests against excessive corporate greed and political corruption.
Now let me ask the reader a question.
Do we really think “PELROB” will truly act in all our interests or just those of their allies and friends?
Do we really want the Senate, House and the Administration all controlled by the Democrats?
With an Obama administration lead by a “Chicago” politician schooled in Mayor Dailey politics?
There is an old adage in politics, “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.”
Well, with the Democrats controlling both houses of Congress and the Presidency, sadly that is exactly what you will get.
It already happened once in the last 8 years when the Republicans controlled both the Congress and the Presidency. Do we really want to keep repeating the mistakes of history?
This is why we need Senator McCain to head up an administration with a clear mandate to clean up the mess in the financial sector and the halls of Congress, while leading our country back on the road to growth.
Someone who is tough enough to withstand the “hatred” that will coming spewing forth ….when he refuses to “go along” with Washington as usual.
Someone who is prepared to ensure the markets are firmly, but fairly regulated.
Someone who is truly not afraid to “put country first.”
“I hope he is not more of the Bush, “give em tax breaks and then get out of the way.””
No, he is not.
Senator McCain has a long history of being a “reformer.” Senator McCain has made it quite clear that a complete overhaul of the financial sector is necessary.
Turning to the legislation itself, a lot of folks are angry, upset and concerned about this whole mess.
There is a lot of blame to go around.
As the saying goes “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”
We wanted everyone to have a home. A nice dream, but totally unrealistic.
“Easy credit.”
The lure of no money down; with no proof of income all made it seem affordable.
But when the bubble burst, which it inevitably would … there is one hell of a mess to clean up.
Who is to blame? Lots of folks had a hand in this saga of greed, corruption, misplaced trust and lack of common sense.
Community Organizers who wanted everyone to have a home and were willing to use any means necessary to make that happen.
Members of Congress who bought into this dream and allowed excessive Corporate Greed to flourish in support of this quest.
Failure by regulators to enforce existing voluntary regulation to prevent Corporate Greed.
President Clinton in failing to remember the law of unintended consequences when changing market rules.
President Bush in believing too strongly in the markets and failing to ensure full enforcement of existing regulations.
But perhaps most importantly as a Society we simply failed.
We seem to have forgotten that there is no free lunch.
We want everything to happen “now.”
While I believe in competence and efficiency, being smart does not always mean being fast.
We are ultimately responsible for our own actions and as a Society we need to stop living on debt.
The beliefs that made America great “thrift, hard work and innovation” must be our guide.
Had money in the market?
Lost a lot during the September / October stock market “crash of 2008?”
Should the Government have told us to get out?
Or did we all simply forget one of the oldest adages of the market which is “buyer beware?”
I will leave it up to the reader to answer these questions, but I do urge all of you when deciding who to elect as your next President … fully inform yourself before casting your ballot.
Posted by: John_Frank | October 20, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm
I don’t suppose it ever occured to Biden that Americans are having a hard time voting for someone who is such a left-leaning Democrat, and it’s NOT because he’s black.
If it weren’t for the left-leaning MSM and the Obama campaign, race wouldn’t even be an issue.
Posted by: Jennifer | October 20, 2008, 4:49 pm 4:49 pm
What are these things that Biden says Obama is planning on doing that they’re not telling anyone about? “We’re going to have to do things that you think are completely wrong, and go against your gut, but you have to trust us, I mean, don’t question us, just stick with us through this and it is going to be better in the end.” Makes me feel like a victim in the SAW movies… “we’re going to have to take your kidneys to sell them to someone else, but don’t worry, we’ll leave you in a bathtub full of ice and we’ll call the paramedics on the way out.”
Posted by: MBrady | October 20, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
When Biden says President Kennedy, I think Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile crisis and Vietnam.
Young president having to prove his mettle (on the job training) is not good for us.
Posted by: MBrady | October 20, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm
Thank you watermelon idiot…for informing the world that only Blacks eat watermelon and fried chicken…get a life
Posted by: SMDIII | October 20, 2008, 5:59 pm 5:59 pm
I’m an African American, you might just say a black man. I know 98% of black will vote for Obama because he’s black. Remember, he’s not US African American like us, he’s Kenya (African) American. See the difference? My family have been here for more than 200 years, they were slaves, some fought in the civil war, they became free, they helped out during WWII and after that they suffered segregation and discrimination till 1960s. My grandparents and my parents and relatives marched along with Dr. King. My parents were not allowed to share the same bus or restaurants or restrooms with White. Look at Obama, his father was from Kenya, didn’t suffer the prejudice like we, the African American in the US had to suffer. He went to good colleges where we African American in the US wouldn’t even dreamed of going that time.
Now, Obama is getting all support from black people because he is black. His people are using his skin color to get black peoples’ vote. And he uses his pictures with his White mother and white grandparents to get White peoples’ vote. He’s nothing but an opportunist who is playing his race so well in this game.
Who really is this Obama guy? Is he really one of us? Can we really trust him?
Posted by: sam | Oct 20, 2008 11:17:33 AM
YOU SIR, RESPECTFULLY ARE ABSOLUTELY MORE QUALIFIED TO BE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT THAN THIS MAN RUNNING(OBAMA). I HATE THE RACE CARD BEING PLAYED WHICH OBAMA CONTINUALLY HAS DONE AND BLAMED IT ON REPUBLICANS. THIS MAN IS NOT AN AMERICAN. I WANT AN AMERICAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE OF ANY COLOR. SOMEONE WHO LOVES THEIR COUNTRY AND YOU FILL THAT BILL MUCH BETTER THAN BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA…THANK YOU
Posted by: karen TO SAM | October 20, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm
The scary thing is that Biden seems to think that saying undecided voters are racist which is why they haven’t decided to vote for Obama is a winning strategy. All he’s doing is making undecided voters less likely to vote Democratic. Which of course is fine, and he’s certainly doing the country a huge favor by doing so. but, it just shows what a complete imbecile Joe Biden is.
Posted by: EyeDoc | October 20, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Race has nothing to do with my vote. I vote the ‘character’ of the man and where he stands on important issues. Years back I voted for Alan Keyes (a Black man) because of his character. I will not vote for Obama, because of his lack of character. It has NOTHING to do with his color.
Posted by: Mary | October 20, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm
If McCaint LOOKED at a terriorst???
What do you call the
“Songbird”
kissing ass at the Hanoi Hilton
called “giving aid and comfort”
Posted by: omichael | October 20, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
VOTING IS A FARCE!!! It’s all controlled with money and who the media decides is their ‘DARLING’!
Face it! It’s so obvious from all of the name calling, insults, lack of intelligence, and outright threats seen here in this comments page, as well as ALL others, that the overwhelming majority vote simply for whomever they are told to, be it their ‘party’ or the media.
Facts, matters of public records, character, morals, religion, national origin or race, are irrelevant. If the ‘Party’ or the media say they are lies, they are believed without question.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!!!! EVERYONE ONE OF YOU!
THIS IS THE FORBODENCE OF TYRANNY AND DICTATORSHIP!!!!
We, the PEOPLE, have the power to bring respect and dignity back into politics! All it takes is a pencil!
We used to study candidates and what they stood for, but no longer. Now the only study is to try to find things to discredit the other condidates, sling some mud, lots of it, so no one really knows what they stand for or who they really are.
Is all that this election is about is just to get the first ‘African’ American elected???? And why is he always referred to as an ‘African’ American? Maybe he should be an ‘Indonesian’ American! Aren’t we all AMERICANS????
Lest you all forget, the economy relies on the capital market, from businesses large and small. Increase taxes, on any of them, and jobs will be lost, corporations will cut back and stop hiring, more products will have to come from overseas, putting EVERYONE at risk! the younger generations don’t know that all of these outbreaks of diseases, virouses, and poisoning were virtually unheard of when produce and products were made in America. The world wanted American products for their superior quality. American cars and trucks made way back in the 20′s and 30′s are still on the road, but you won’t find many made in the 80′s or 90′s out there. The quality has gone, and the expense to repair them has outweighed the desire to keep them.
Remember, it’s YOUR money at risk, no matter who gets elected, that’s what they’re all after, as the person with the most money has the most power. Put the two together and you have the elements needed for corruption. Do a little research, see who has spent the most of your dollars AND where it went! Don’t be stupid and vote for who the ‘Party’ tells you to. Be an intelligent voter and avoid voting because of a single issue, check on the candidate’s voting records, their associations, and most importantly, their critical decisions that have influenced the way government responds to US, THE PEOPLE! Remember, we in America still have the SECRET ballot!
Posted by: Stingray | October 20, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
I believe the Obama-Machine is unraveling. With Biden predicting that we will be plunged into some horrific “test” by another nation if Obama is elected and that he will have tough decisions to make that we are suppose to swallow without reproach, is chilling. This is serious stuff, past the “lipstick on a pig” crap.
Also, what Obama’s team and the Obama-bot media did to Joe the Plumber is horrible. Joe is the “little guy” that the Democrats are suppose to be fighting for… unless the little guy asks an embarrassing question that reveals Obama’s socialist agenda. Then it’s a bloody massacre. I was reading that now the plumbers’ union is all over Joe, and he can’t find work. This is beyond despicable. They destroyed a regular citizen for NOTHING, did it in record time of digging up info about him, yet are dragging their feet to give us the truth about so very much in Obama’s past. The media’s part in all this is contributing to Obama’s cool demeanor (like Perry Como or Tony Bennett in the 1960s), becoming more of a calculated facade rather than that of honorable leadership.
I was excited about voting for the first black US president. I still am. But it isn’t going to be Obama. Not anymore. He’s NOT the right choice. His hidden agendas frighten me for America. I’ll wait until a black candidate that doesn’t make my stomach churn with anxiety and fear comes along.
Posted by: Classic_Film | October 21, 2008, 4:43 pm 4:43 pm
Why would anyone want to vote for a man that we have been assured by his to be vice president that he will be tested with an international crisis as early as 6 months from now? Oh, and we are to trust him unconditionaly even though it will appear that they don’t know what they are doing. Heaven help us all, if Obama is elected. Perhaps he won’t be if Biden will stick his foot in his mouth a few more times. Our country is facing some tough times ahead, whoever is president but with Obama at the helm we are doomed. My vote will be for McCain and Palin. GOD BLESS THE USA.
Posted by: patriot53 | October 21, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
Obama cannot lead this country and keep it’s citizens safe. I would rather have Sarah Palin as president. How about using the same measuring stick when you measure up both opponents. John McCain is the man we need.
Posted by: Alan | October 27, 2008, 8:27 am 8:27 am