Biden’s Medical Report Shows He’s Healthy, But Questions Remain
ABC News’ Susan Wagner & Matthew Jaffe Report: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., today released his medical records, which show that the Democratic vice-presidential nominee appears to be in good health, although questions remain about whether or not he has had follow-up brain scans after his two 1988 brain aneurysms.
Dr. Matthew Parker, an internist in Washington, DC, who reviewed a portion of Biden’s medical records, briefed reporters on a conference call arranged by the Obama-Biden campaign. Dr. Parker has never treated or met with Sen. Biden. He reviewed a 49-page summary provided by Biden’s personal physician, Dr. John F. Eisold, the attending physician at the US Capitol.
Dr. Eisold does not speak to the media.
Dr. Parker said his "clear impression" is that the 65-year old senator is healthy. The Delaware lawmaker’s biggest health issue concerns two brain aneurysms he had surgery for in 1988. While Dr. Eisold has written that Biden has "recovered fully without continued effects" from the aneurysm, Dr. Parker told reporters that in the records he reviewed, there are no follow-up notes on Biden’s neurological care since 1988. He said he does not know whether or not Biden has had periodic brain imaging done since his surgeries.
ABC News’ Medical Editor, Dr. Tim Johnson, who was on the call, said questions remain as to whether or not the senator has had a brain scan since 1988. Since the senator was first treated, many neurologists now order routine follow-up brain scans to see if a new aneurysm has developed that could burst. Dr. Johnson said it would be interesting to know "if Sen. Biden has had follow-up imaging, what were the results? And if he hasn’t had any imaging, why not?"
In response to reporters’ questions, Obama-Biden communications director Ricki Seidman said further information about the senator’s neurological care since 1988 would be provided later today.
Dr. Parker also reported that the senator had a single episode of a heart rhythm problem, called atrial fibrillation. And further testing has shown him to be in good cardiac health. He takes a daily aspirin and a statin drug for cholesterol control. A biopsy for an enlarged prostate five years ago came out normal.
After the briefing, campaign spokesman David Wade said, "Sen. Biden is in terrific health and he’s full of unbrindled energy on the campaign trail. He leads an active lifestyle, lifts weights, and works out regularly even as he campaigns, and his wife and family always make sure he drinks plenty of water and eats right. After a health scare over twenty years ago, he’s been blessed with excellent health."
Seidman said Dr. Parker was selected to review the records based on recommendations from DC-area physicians and the campaign’s legal staff. Dr. Parker, who is associated with George Washington University Hospital and Sibley Memorial Hospital, told reporters his objective was to review the summary, not to evaluate the care provided to the Senator. The physician did say he had donated $2,300 to the Obama-Biden campaign this summer.

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Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help
“HE’S GONNA NEED HELP”.
Joe Biden tells us why we must for for McCain.
Posted by: geevill | October 20, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
This is troubling, but Palin’s refusal to even discuss her health let alone release full records) is scarier considering her running mate’s health background.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
Posted by: matt | October 20, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Tempted to not respond to geevil, since his remarks had nothing to do with Biden’s health.
But your emphasis was on “he’s gonna need help”…Are you saying McCain can solve foreign policy issues alone? With no input from anybody?
Posted by: PoliticsAsUsual | October 20, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
They need to remove the tumor that’s causing Biden to see three letters where there four. J-O-B-S.
It’s obviously impinging on the part of his shriveled, walnut-sized brain that lets him distinguish between an inexperienced socialist fascist and a presidential candidate.
Posted by: ObamaIsANazi | October 20, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
Are you absolutely sure Biden was thoroughly checked out? I think his hair-plugs went a little too deep and caused damage. After all he said JOBS is a three letter word. And Obama said he could see fallen heroes (Soldiers) in his audience plus I am still waiting for him to identify all 57 states. Those so-called Democrats are weird.
Posted by: Mary | October 20, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Now can we see Obama’s health records????? Considering his family history and his smoking habit, that is where the concern should be.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 20, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
No sorry, you can NOT see Obama’s health records. You might find something there that places doubt on the Senator’s claim that he was born in Hawaii and that will inevitably take him off the Democratic ticket. So, no you can’t see that information, at least not until after Nov. 4th, when he can fully and effectively throw this country into a constitutional crisis the likes to which have NEVER been seen, not to mention impending riots from blacks who think whitey is trying to take the first Black President down. Okay, so now do you get it??? NO medical records for you.
Posted by: Michelle | October 20, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Mary, do you mean Obama see’s dead people? LOL If this election weren’t so important, it would be laughable.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 20, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
What are these things that Biden says Obama is planning on doing that they’re not telling anyone about? “We’re going to have to do things that you think are completely wrong, and go against your gut, but you have to trust us, I mean, don’t question us, just stick with us through this and it is going to be better in the end.” Makes me feel like a victim in the SAW movies… “we’re going to have to take your kidneys to sell them to someone else, but don’t worry, we’ll leave you in a bathtub full of ice and we’ll call the paramedics on the way out.”
Posted by: SBrady | October 20, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
Michelle: “on the Senator’s claim that he was born in Hawaii and that will inevitably take him off the Democratic ticket.”
What, something that contradicts his birth certificate and the birth notice placed in the 1961 Honolulu newspaper? Is the McCain/Palin ticket so weak that all they have left now are crackpot conspiracy theories? It’s blatantly apparent the Obama supporters are talking about his policies, skillset, and experience, not the FACT McCain was born in Panama. It’s not just the Republican candidate that is completely out of touch with reality…
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
Biden with his aneurysms. This is scary enough, knowing that Obama would be totally clueless without biden. Who will he call at 3 am with the crisis occuring? Even Biden admitted over the weekend that we should be worried about Obama’s inexperience, guaranteeing that there will be a crisis in 6 months!
We need to be worried, very worried!
And, Obama with his smoking history, known drug use, and his refusal to release his medical records?
As usual with all of Obama’ spast, what is this man trying to hide? Remember, it’s not just the crime, it’s the cover up.
McCain has allowed reporters to view his medical records. why won’t Obama? McCain is healthier than Biden and Obama. His mom is vibrant at 96, for gosh sakes.
Palin is energetic and healthy, and the youngest of the 4, with no smoking history.
Obama/Biden = worry, be very worried, and scared of what will become of this country.
Posted by: liberati | October 20, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm
Any questions that remain about Biden: Please direct them to Biden himself, he is still sitting at Katie’s Restaurant waiting for service.
Poor guy, somebody please tell him the place closed 15 years ago. This is getting so sad, oh and he’s also going to miss his Botox appointment.
Posted by: True American | October 20, 2008, 5:15 pm 5:15 pm
Sbrady: “What are these things that Biden says Obama is planning on doing that they’re not telling anyone about? “We’re going to have to do things that you think are completely wrong, and go against your gut, but you have to trust us,…”
Things like support FISA, fix rather than delete the Patriot Act, keep Social Security a retirement rather than tax program, etc. Biden was talking to the democratic base and preparing them for the fact that when Obama talks about bipartisanship it means meeting near the center, not the left. He has already shown this during the FISA and Patriot act fights, and taken a good deal of flak from the left for it. It’s not exactly a surprise to anyone actually listening to him or familiar with his long IL legislative record.
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm
This is scary enough, knowing that Obama would be totally clueless without biden.
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Liberati–What are you talking about? Obama is clueless WITH Biden.
Posted by: True American | October 20, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm
liberati: “As usual with all of Obama’ spast, what is this man trying to hide? ”
Right on, it’s not like he’s written two books on the subject or anything. Oh…
Posted by: jhw539 | October 20, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
people are focusing on the wrong issues with their financial records, wifes financial records, and picking apart their health records. If a Dr. says he is in good health and there is no danger than that should be it. If their wives don’t cheat on their income taxes than fine. Who cares if they made a lot of money…is there is crime in that. These candidates need to focus on real issues and not dodge anymore issues. Neither candidate has clearly said what they will need to cut in their plans for the next few years. With the economic problems in this country neither can afford their lofty goals…what will they cut? neither has given a solid answer in three debates. What about Social Security/medicare in this country. Neither has given a substantial plan on how to salvage these programs that will be in trouble in the years to come.
Posted by: Ryan | October 20, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm
WHERE IS McCAIN’S MEDICAL REPORT??????
McCAIN IS SICK, VERY VERY SICK.
McCAIN WILL DIE IN OFFICE IF ELECTED.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 20, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
SBrady
Probably nothing sinister; Biden’s foreseeing that not all the president’s decisions will necessarily be popular, but will be the right ones.
Although this gaffe is surely embarrassing for the Obama/Biden ticket, you must agree that it also shows deep foresight on the part of their campaign to anticipate such problems. Any president will face “tests” from enemies (Bush had 9/11, Clinton had WTC, etc) and if Obama’s reponse to the present crisis so far, especially in contrast with McCain’s actions, does not persuade that he is the readier CinC then probably nothing will. Mind you, if McCain does win, what quality has he unique from Obama’s? The ‘experience’ he trumps is Senate experience. Besides, the president will be getting military ‘experience’ from advisers anyway, not his own. We need a decision-maker with cutting insight and acumen, and a “steady hand at the tiller”. Unfortunately, he is just not McCain.
Posted by: AB | October 20, 2008, 5:27 pm 5:27 pm
samhiguchi,
What family history? Obama’s father died in a traffic accident and his mother died of ovarian cancer. Barack does not have overies, so his mother’s death has no bearing on his longevity.
I do agree that all candidates have to give full disclosure on health history.
Posted by: GreggW | October 20, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
You gotta admit that this is funny:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/johnmccain/ig/John-McCain-Pictures/Animated-McCain-Tongue.htm
Posted by: samurai | October 20, 2008, 5:35 pm 5:35 pm
Palin should have done the SNL rap song!
Posted by: sarahpalinisstupid | October 20, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Palin won’t release hers because she’s going syphilis crazy! Small town girl with samll town STD’S that’s all Palinn is!
Posted by: Joe | October 20, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm
Biden has no impulse control–he just says whatever he thinks, however damaging or stupid.
ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., on Sunday guaranteed that if elected, Sen. Barack Obama., D-Ill., will be tested by an international crisis within his first six months in power and he will need supporters to stand by him as he makes tough, and possibly unpopular, decisions.
“Mark my words,” the Democratic vice presidential nominee warned at the second of his two Seattle fundraisers Sunday. “It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking. We’re about to elect a brilliant 47-year-old senator president of the United States of America. Remember I said it standing here if you don’t remember anything else I said. Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
“I can give you at least four or five scenarios from where it might originate,” Biden said to Emerald City supporters, mentioning the Middle East and Russia as possibilities. “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
Isn’t this an argument for electing someone with MORE EXPERIENCE!? Why should we elect a man who will EMBOLDEN OUR ENEMIES and push us to the brink of disaster? Biden seems convinced that electing John McCain will make our enemies abroad much less sanguine about provoking us — which is one of the best arguments yet heard for electing McCain.
Even worse, Biden admits that an Obama administration will likely FUMBLE THE BALL. “It’s not going to be apparent that we’re right.” Really? Why not? I’d say that Biden admits that Obama will deviate from long-held principles of American foreign policy and diplomacy, and expects to reap a whirlwind of disapproval because of that. Where will that be most likely to occur, given Obama’s previous political alliances with people like Rashid Khalidi?
Let’s not forget the example that Biden himself uses here. John Kennedy got tested because he met with Nikita Khrushchev with “no preconditions”. Kennedy acknowledged afterwards that it was an “unmitigated DISATER.”
What resulted? The Berlin Wall and the Cuban missile crisis. Kennedy wound up trading strategic intel and missile installations in western Asia in exchange for Soviet withdrawal of the nuclear missiles from Cuba. The entire Kennedy administration turned out to be a foreign-policy DISASTER that was only overlooked because of the tragic assassination of Kennedy in Dallas in 1963.
Posted by: Biden is Shockingly Honest about Obama's Inexperience | October 20, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
How McCain would handle a world crisis:
http://politicalhumor.about.com/od/johnmccain/ig/John-McCain-Pictures/Animated-McCain-Tongue.htm
Posted by: samurai | October 20, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
Health isn’t Biden’s issue. His issue is his running mate. Zero experience running a government, zero experience running a business, zero experience negotiating with foreign leaders, a proud record of voting present in a state legislature, 1xx days in the senate and, wow, ghee whiz, I think I’m ready to run the most powerful country in the world. He is way less qualified than Gov. Palin to lead this country.
Educated? Sure. What has it provided him? Judgment that thought it would be a good idea to sit in the church of a racist pastor for years. Judgment that thought that it was a good idea to ‘advise’ a community group that used the CRA to bully banks into making home loans to those that were capable of paying them back (root cause of the credit market meltdown is bad home debt). What did he accomplish on the board he sat on with Mr. Ayers? What did he change in Chicago education? ZERO? or Less than ZERO!
btw, though I think we might be stupied enough to elect him, I am not so worried his campaign pledges being implemented. He’s strong on rhetoric, but doesn’t deliver. His best track record is that of failing to deliver what he promises.
0bama’s candidacy is an insult to American voters.
I wonder if 1xx days into office….is he going to declare his candidacy for President of the Planet?
Posted by: zerobama | October 20, 2008, 5:47 pm 5:47 pm
Obama followers have questioned if Sarah Palin is qualified for the VP job. What about Obama?? Do you think he is qualified as a President of US with his famous background as a Comunity Organizer for…whom… ACORN???? LOL!!!
Posted by: Asian-American | October 20, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Are you absolutely sure Biden was thoroughly checked out? I think his hair-plugs went a little too deep and caused damage. After all he said JOBS is a three letter word. And Obama said he could see fallen heroes (Soldiers) in his audience plus I am still waiting for him to identify all 57 states. Those so-called Democrats are weird.
Posted by: Mary
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always happy to see people really buckle down and focus on the important things in this country.
Posted by: Truth Matters | October 20, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm
0…0….0….0
The results of an August 2003 final technical report of the Chicago Annenberg Research Project by the Consortium on Chicago School Research “suggest that among the schools it supported, the Challenge had little impact on school improvement and student outcomes, with no statistically significant differences between Annenberg and non-Annenberg schools in rates of achievement gain, classroom behavior, student self-efficacy, and social competence.”
This after redistributing millions of wealth into the Chicago public school system…way to go Osama!!! You are going to be a very effective President.
You know what, I wish that the Hollywood executive that casted the West Wing, would have known of your speaking skills. You would have been way better than Mr. Sheen.
Posted by: big rhetoric ; zero results | October 20, 2008, 6:08 pm 6:08 pm
Nancy Pelosi.
Two heartbeats away from the presidency
Posted by: Wise Up | October 20, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
He’s got foot in mouth disease, and Plagiaritis.
Posted by: Mack | October 20, 2008, 6:19 pm 6:19 pm
Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? Many say that what you won’t make the same mistakes that others have because of your sound judgement (ie, your choice of pastor). The only thing, Senator, is that there still remain many mistakes yet to be written into this planet’s history books. You won’t always have the benefit of others experience, you’ll have to leverage your own experience and you have too little on which to base your judgement. I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell, Mr. Matthews … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the morale, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them (I have a friend that is an Army Reservist. He is deploying, again, to Iraq. He has a wife, a son and a daughter. He does not serve so that he can kill children and raid villages Senator). What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Did you at least play with the little green plastic troops when you lived in Hawaii? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung mentally Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning and learning from one’s mistakes. The surge worked Senator.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have access to affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the still unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that President Obama’s, Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax rate applied against his $0.00 income.
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, high cost American jobs would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those finding themselves newly unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message your handlers have planted in you, that message you think the voters want to hear. I was laughing a bit, but if I understand you correctly, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created, were actually created or do actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that timeframe passes? Let me point this out to my fellow voters. Senator Obama wants to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time he wants to turnaround and give them a tax credit for jobs they create? Senator, or maybe I should be addressing your advisers, you do realize that the two are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job decrease/increase. If you can convince us that those are winning policies Senator Obama, then I’d suggest you save us all some trouble, sell the American voters a bridge to nowhere and retire, pen some books, give some speeches. Indeed, your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama, not by a long shot.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Suicide rate? Pick a rate Senator.
Posted by: Obama is about as ready as Eddie Haskell | October 20, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm
How come Sarah Palin hasn’t released hers? I don’t hear you Republicans asking for those. Why not?
Posted by: Jwench | October 20, 2008, 6:41 pm 6:41 pm
Obama Praised ‘Searing and Timely’ Book by Ayers
Barack Obama once gave a glowing endorsement of a book by former domestic terrorist William Ayers and was mentioned by name in the book itself.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/20/obama-praised-searing-timely-book-ayers/
Posted by: Planewizard | Oct 20, 2008 6:36:32 PM
Posted by: HP Boston | October 20, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm
Biben needs to see JOE the plumber ….
get his pipes checked too.
God know Joe Biden can not be relied on to answer a 3 am call!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 20, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
Obama 08
Put the WHOLE country first.
Posted by: chris | October 20, 2008, 6:45 pm 6:45 pm
This is scary enough, knowing that Obama would be totally clueless without biden.
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Liberati–What are you talking about? Obama is clueless WITH Biden.
Posted by: True American | Oct 20, 2008 5:17:39 PM
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LOL LOL
They should read an Ayers book or get him to write another for JOE!
Clueless is a mild rebuke!!!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 20, 2008, 6:49 pm 6:49 pm
Posted by: HP Boston | Oct 20, 2008 6:42:00 PM
At least if you are going to post a site, make it a credible one.
Might I remind you of McCain’s skeleton’s once again:
US Council for World Freedom
G. Gordon Liddy
William Timmons
Please explain those to me if you can.
Posted by: Jwench | October 20, 2008, 6:53 pm 6:53 pm
Palin and McCain and Biden have displayed their paperwork, Obama won’t.
He will not because he CAN’T prove what’s been asked of him.
Where is his birth certificate ???
No conspiracy here, just a man that’s shouldn’t be allowed to run for president.
All of you that accept what the media tells you, and don’t look into it for yourself will get what you deserve.
Posted by: losersRUall | October 20, 2008, 6:58 pm 6:58 pm
Posted by: losersRUall | Oct 20, 2008 6:58:22 PM
Palin has not released her medical records.
Posted by: Jwench | October 20, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Palin cannot be permitted into the White House, she carries retard genes. Just look at Trig.
Posted by: JoeShmoe | October 20, 2008, 7:01 pm 7:01 pm
Biden Guarantees an International Crisis in Six Months if Obama Wins [UPDATED]
http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/10/20/biden-guarantees-an-international-crisis-in-six-months-if-obama-wins/#more-5570
(I know some of you guys heard Biden–he sounds crazy or maybe like he doesn’t want Obama to win, or he knows something. Re-read it and look for clues. He’s rambling about how we don’t have enough in the military, and how Pakistan is blah blah. WTH is he talking about. A Draft? Starting war somewhere else? Or he’s saying we will GET attacked? They are going to need our influence in the community? What? The civilian military? Cause it’s NOT going to be apparent they are right at first?? What? It’s one of the scariest things I’ve heard a politician say. I’ve been harping about how I think Obama would swap our enemies for our allies. Just re-read what he said. Predicting something horrible…for what? To numb the already numbed out Ozombie WACKOS who want to vote for this guy??)
Posted by: HP Boston | October 20, 2008, 7:02 pm 7:02 pm
I read that she released a limited amount, but maybe I am wrong.
Again, where is the paperwork on Obama ?
Posted by: losersRUall | October 20, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm
Read what the media has NOT told you about the current financial crisis:
http://www.vaboomer.com/the_portal_to_boomeranger/2008/10/mortgage-crisis-the-history.html
Posted by: Nancy Mehegan | October 20, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
I read that she released a limited amount, but maybe I am wrong.
Again, where is the paperwork on Obama ?
Posted by: losersRUall | Oct 20, 2008 7:04:13 PM
You republicans hear a lot of things. Again, where are Sarah Palin’s medical records?
Posted by: Jwench | October 20, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm
Hew jwench,
Your an imbecile!!!!!
Posted by: Ilove Palin | October 20, 2008, 7:16 pm 7:16 pm
Sorry jwench,
That comment was for Joeschmoe
Posted by: IlovePalin | October 20, 2008, 7:18 pm 7:18 pm
I am not a Republican, nor a Democrat.
Am a citizen with a Right to know, and a Right to ask.
If I had Gov. Palin’s records, I would share them.
If someone has Obama’s paperwork, please share.
Folks, even though people are divided as Rep/Dem, and through racial and financial differences, WE CITIZENS ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER !
We need to know about the potential leaders of OUR country.
Posted by: losersRUall | October 20, 2008, 7:19 pm 7:19 pm
Posted by: Ilove Palin | Oct 20, 2008 7:16:31 PM
Why because I asked where Palin’s records were or that I brought up John McCain’s skeletons. Which is it?
Posted by: Jwench | October 20, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
Sorry jwench,
That comment was for Joeschmoe
Posted by: IlovePalin | Oct 20, 2008 7:18:31 PM
Well Joe Schmoe just shows the lowest level of the human race with that comment.
Posted by: Jwench | October 20, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm
geevill, every President needs help. The one person you do NOT want to vote for is the one who thinks they can do everything themself.
Posted by: Aengil | October 20, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
geevill, every President needs help. The one person you do NOT want to vote for is the one who thinks they can do everything themself.
Posted by: Aengil | Oct 20, 2008 7:28:32 PM
geevil wouldn’t becuase geevil is all knowing and all powerful.
Posted by: Jwench | October 20, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Moose Brains record?
Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 2 1/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska’s government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it.
As if it couldn’t support itself, Alaska also ranks No. 1, year after year, in money it sucks in from Washington. According to the Tax Foundation, Alaska ranked 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434) but first in federal spending received per resident ($13,950). Its ratio of federal spending received to federal taxes paid ranks third among the 50 states, and in the absolute amount it receives from Washington over and above the amount it sends to Washington, Alaska ranks No. 1.
Just think what she could accomplish in washington!
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 20, 2008, 7:34 pm 7:34 pm
Today, Senator Biden suggested that his running mate was weak and will be tested within 6 moths after taking office by our enemies. Senator Biden is such a smart man and he says that Obama is thought to be weak by our enemies. I think that is very telling. Both Obama and Biden lack the intelligence to run this country. Neither has the executive experience for the job.
Posted by: Mary | October 20, 2008, 7:37 pm 7:37 pm
Did they release any mental health records? Cuz Biden is a nut case! The best was when he asked a guy in a wheelchair to stand up and take a bow…LMAO!
Posted by: MBNA Joe | October 20, 2008, 7:51 pm 7:51 pm
Joe Biden was simply saying that it will take courage to turn the Ship of State in a new direction.
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 20, 2008, 8:06 pm 8:06 pm
Give me a break Steve NJ – Any one of us can die crossing a street. We don’t know when our time is up.
Posted by: Roman | October 20, 2008, 8:15 pm 8:15 pm
MCCAIN EMPLOYING GOP OPERATIVE ACCUSED OF VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/20/mccain-employing-gop-oper_n_136254.html
Not the Republicans? Voter fraud? Didn’t McCain make an issue about voter fraud?
(I guess it’s not an issue if they work for him)
Posted by: What? No, not the honest Republicans | October 20, 2008, 8:18 pm 8:18 pm
HP finds a book on the juvenile court system threatening for some reason.
I guess the word “scathing” is frighteneing?
Words generally scare the ignorant. That’s why they want to supress them.
GOP “Freedom of speech” = You are free to repeat everything we have accepted.
It’s Facism for the 21st centurty
Posted by: Oh NO! Not a book! Burn it! Burn it! | October 20, 2008, 8:25 pm 8:25 pm
Long winded cut and paste rants just mean SCROLL ON BY.
Posted by: Use your own brain if you can find it | October 20, 2008, 8:30 pm 8:30 pm
Obama did write a review of a Bill Ayers book, complete with The One’s photo. “A searing and timely account of teh juvenile court system, and the courageous individuals who rescue hope from despair.” The Obama and his staff LIED about it repeatedly. Bill Clinton must be proud.
Team Obama spokesmen Bill Burton and Robert Gibbs categorically denied it.
http://www.southernappeal.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/obama_ayers_review.jpg
This wouldn’t be an issue if the Obama campaign would stop lying about the nature of his relationship with Ayers. They’ve continually LIED about it when the public record is pretty clear that they formed a political alliance meant to boost Obama’s electoral career. Their inability to be honest about this relationship is what makes these lesser revelations more significant than they should be. A modest blurb on an obscure book would have no meaning at all absent the fact that Team Obama lied about it on two separate occasions.
Maybe it’s another State Senator Barack Obama. You know, another one who would have worked closely enough with an unrepentant terrorist to get an advance look at his new book, and to write promotional material for its sales. One who partnered with Ayers on a multimillion-dollar school reform project that ended up a failure. One who owed Ayers after the unrepentant terrorist help launch his career in a fundraiser in the Ayers/Dohrn household. You know, there has to be at least a dozen Barack Obamas who fit that description!
Posted by: Mr. Obama's Neighborhood | October 20, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
Too wound up in Troopergate, the Media ignores Speakergate.
Apparently, on Obama’s released tax records, he discloses income from speaking fees. The problem? Accepting payment for speaking fees when you’re a legislator is AGAINST Illinois state law.
Apparently, as an Illinois state legislator through 2004, Barack was PROHIBITED from taking honoraria for speaking under the Illinois Governmental Ethics Act.
But what about Barack Obama’s 2000 and 2002 tax returns?
2000: On his 2000 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported that he received $16,500 as a “Foundation director/Educational speaker.”
2001: On his 2001 Schedule C-EZ, Barack reported $98,158 from a Chicago law firm, Miner, Barnhill, for “Legal services/attorney” (and nothing for speaking).
2002: On his 2002 Schedule C, Barack reported $34,491 for “LEGAL SERVCES / SPEAKING FEES.”
These “speaking fees” are in addition to the amounts that Barack was paid as an employee, a lecturer at the University of Chicago, reported on the first page of his 1040s.
That’s not change we can believe in.
Just to sum up, the media can find Joe the Plumber’s tax woes within 24 hours of his having dared to question The One’s narrative, but they can’t find a clear ethical violation in the released records of a man who has been campaigning for President for TWO YEARS now.
Another truth-telling moment brought to you by our fair and objective “tanning bed” news media.
Posted by: Hey, Suppose the Media Could Get Around to Vetting Obama? | October 20, 2008, 8:44 pm 8:44 pm
Biden would follow mickey mouse if it meant he would step into the whitehouse.
do not figure Biden as a friend of Obama’s, he is not !
all one has to do is collect Biden’s “remarks” towards Obama.
you may think there not, be assured if Biden did not mean them he would not have said them!
once Biden is in the whitehouse as VP and then Obama is challenged,Biden will turn on Obama like a pit bull for Biden is beside Obama for a reason and that is Biden foreign policy context,
dont think for a min that Biden will share that, it has taken him years to groom his foreign policy with other nations, Obama has NONE.
Biden will let no one [including Obama] have his foreign policy knowledge
and that will be Obama’s aquillies heel.
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 8:53 pm 8:53 pm
>> That’s not change we can believe in.
It’s not something we can believe in, that’s for sure.. it’s funny watching all you anti-Obama people squrim and twitch as the days grow shorter. Grasping at any thing, and I mean anything.. what a pathetic lot you are.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 20, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm
Cracker Jack,
Well, at least you got the “Cracker” part right.
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 20, 2008, 9:05 pm 9:05 pm
You said a cud-full, MooseBrain! All the huffing and puffing in the world ain’t gonna blow McCain/Palin into the executive office!
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 20, 2008, 9:09 pm 9:09 pm
Sounds like the neocons are up to their old dirty tricks of voter fraud too. McCain’s gonna get his butt roasted over this one. Another case of poor judgment McNasty!
Well, if you can’t get elected the right way, then you do it the Republican way – cheating!
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 20, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm
ms donna you ignorant bigot lying racist female swine!
whats more american than cracker jacks, baseball and apple pie?
you watermelon,pickled pigs feet and chitlins eating racist!
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm
At least I’ve got enough courage to use my real name, Mr. Cracker.
And for your information, I don’t like watermelon, and have never had the occasion to try the other.
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 20, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Sounds like the neocons are up to their old dirty tricks of voter fraud too.
donna hughes
right there you openly admit the Obama camp committed voter fraud.
you ignorant fool, you cant even understand the crap you yourself typed !
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm
Can’t you just feel the love?!? :)
[28.55] And when they hear idle talk they turn aside from it and say: We shall have our deeds and you shall have your deeds; peace be on you, we do not desire the ignorant cracker jacks.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 20, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm
WHY DOESN’T MCCAIN RELEASE HIS OLD AGE RECORDS????…..ESPECIALLY HIS MENTAL HEALTH RECORDS?????…..THERE MUST BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD SHOW UP TO SHOW HIS POOR JUDGMENT FOR SELECTING PALIN AS A RUNNING MATE!!!!
Posted by: BENIGHSE | October 20, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm
mooseshetforBrains
you add me to the scripture?
blasphemer!!!
another hypocrit LIAR !
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
BENI
why doesnt obama release his records?
medical,school,history?
go do your homework.
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm
Hey Cracker Jack-off,
It’s been nice, but I hear my cockatoo calling and he makes better sense than you do.
HAWWWWWHAWWWWWW!!!!!!
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 20, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm
This is interesting in you want to see the two candidates compared to each other.
http://www.alternet.org/election08/103387/the_10_biggest_differences_between_obama_and_mccain_that_will_affect_your_daily_life/
Posted by: Sarah | October 20, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
there’s my BIGOT loving RACIST
ms donna hughes.
is that all you got? lmao !
gawd your a pityfull sow your not even good at this.
jus another wanna be.
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm
Bye-Bye Cracker Ass!!
Posted by: Donna Hughes | October 20, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm
sarah…informative site but it is what it is..another pro obama site.
ask yourself this one question….how can a president who says he will cut taxes to 95% of americans turn around and in the same breath says his plan calls for a 627 billion dollar gov revenue in 10 years.
and not raise taxes to working class americans????
it cannot be done.
donna me luvs you too !
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 10:38 pm 10:38 pm
>> he will cut taxes to 95% of americans
>> turn around and in the same breath says
>> his plan calls for a 627 billion
>> dollar gov revenue in 10 years.
>> and not raise taxes to working class
>> americans???? it cannot be done.
Don’t look now, but McCains plans will actually raise the deficit significantly more since he isn’t raising any revenue.
Amazing how bad it looks when your analysis is completely one sided..
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 20, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm
Biden’s mental condition needs to be checked.
Posted by: ltk01 | October 20, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
you have nothing if you are not in debt.
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
its all proposals…dont you understand what you read.
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm
>> you have nothing if you are not in debt.
I’m not.. and if you seriously believe that, then you are indeed in need of that Economy 101 course.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 20, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm
>> its all proposals…dont you understand what you read.
So you believe in McCains proposals but discount Obamas as make believe? Again, that one sided analysis thing.. it’ll bite you in the hindside every time!
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 20, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm
When ever God wants you your going. Is everybody ready to meet their maker?
Posted by: Rose Szymanski | October 20, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
mushbrain…i know your ignorant and now you go out on a limb to prove to me your stupid….whats its feel like ?
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 20, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
>> .i know your ignorant and now you go out on a limb to prove to me your stupid…
And yet, you fail to demonstrate or even point out how.. And still no response to how trickle down taxation will work this time when it has never in the past.
Look, if you are in favor of taking money from the low and middle class and giving it to the wealthy, that’s fine, and is exactly what McCains tax plan will do. I feel that the low and middle class should not shoulder more of the tax burden, particularly given our current economy when people are struggling just to put gas in their cars and keep food on the table. If you call that ignorant, then I think you might want to go look up that word and reconsider it’s usage in this particular discussion.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am
hmm……if i believe mccain i dont have to wonder about the blunder of taxes.
if i believe obama i believe what? a myth about his tax plan,his something out of mid air tax strategy that NO ONE KNOWS ABOUT and chance that it may or may not work FOR WHAT…A CHANGE ?… WHICH…if his tax plan doesnt work it could cost american tax payers another 3 fold on there taxes. no thanks nimrod
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 21, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am
>> a myth about his tax plan,his something
>> out of mid air tax strategy that NO ONE >> KNOWS ABOUT
Actually, he has laid out a very detailed plan, much more so than McCain has.. let me ask you, what does McCain plain on doing about social security?
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:08 am 12:08 am
Oh, almost forgot.. his tax plan is so detailed that former fed chariman Volker, who some have called the last great economic genius supports it and claims it will do much more to spur the economy, and former fed chairman Greenspan has said he does not support McCains tax cuts. Of course, I’m sure they will take your opinion in consideration as well :)
May Allah be with you!
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am
What is even more terrifying is that Obama won’t release his own birth certificate. “A REAL ONE”
Posted by: jennie 22 | October 21, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am
>> What is even more terrifying is that Obama won’t release his own birth certificate. “A REAL ONE”
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2008/jun/27/obamas-birth-certificate-part-ii/
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am
and what have you shown?
your obama taxation trickle down plan?
there PRO-POSALS RICHARD HEAD !!!!
gawd…you morons believe anything pro obama as its already LAW…news flash…it isnt….. the word is….
pro-posal…and it is just what is says a pro-posal.
dam get the crap out of your pea size brain open up!
its obvious …you dont have a clue as to how the american political system works.
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 21, 2008, 12:16 am 12:16 am
>> your obama taxation trickle down plan?
No, it’s more of a ‘bubble up’ plan.. stimulates the economy by injecting capital to those who would spend it on necessities like food and clothing, increasing revenues for retailers, which eventually increases profits for the wealthy owners of such businesses.
>> the word is….
pro-posal…and it is just what is says a pro-posal
Yup.. and most people cried the sky was falling when Clinton wanted to implement his ‘radical’ tax plan as well.
Of course, McCain wants to continue down the same path of the last 8 years. Do you know who coined ‘trickle down’? Hover back in 1927.. and it was one of the contributing factors that caused the 1929 depression. Regan then re-coined it ‘Reganomics’, and during his term in office, managed to raise the national debt more than all previous presidents before him _combined_, from just under $1 trillion to over $2.6 trillion. Clinton was able to clean up the mess, get a balanced budget and federal surplus. Then, Bush Jr. in his first year in office took that and still managed to increase the deficit by $133 billion.. in his first year! He then set the record twice for the largest jump in federal deficit in history. All the while, he took the unemployment rate from 3.9% up to it’s current 6.1% which it hit last August.
There is a name for people who continue doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.. and it’s not flattering.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:22 am 12:22 am
NOT a real birth certificate. Why won’t he give it to the courts, rather than filing papers to delay?
http://www.obamacrimes.com/
Posted by: Jennie22 | October 21, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
Politifact, that’s a real objective source. Give me a break!!!
Posted by: Jennie22 | October 21, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am
>> Why won’t he give it to the courts, rather than filing papers to delay?
Not a real birth certificate?? So I guess you have examined it yourself..
Hmm, interesting.
Oh, you do know that if he didn’t have one, the republican party would be all over it, particularly since they have about run out of ammunition to attack him with.. And the only guy who, without any backing by the republicans or any other organization, brought up the law suit is the same nutcase who is suing the US government claiming that they are responsible for 9/11.. why do you suppose that is??
And incase you missed it, the FBI has already started doing background and security checks on each candidates staff choices.. guess they have long since done the checks on the candidates and moved on.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
>> Politifact, that’s a real objective source
Prove them wrong then.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am
so tell me how did mr clinton do this?
i’ll tell you how….he cut out ALL the military spending overnight…..and thus waa-llaaa…he was Mr MagicO.
quit being stupid.
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 21, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
>> .he cut out ALL the military spending overnight
Along with other government cuts and increased taxes.. same thing we should be doing now. And obama called it in 2002, and again in 2007.. go figure!
http://www.rand.org/pubs/testimonies/CT314/index.html
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:41 am 12:41 am
Biden has shown himself to be totally unqualified to be president. An aneurysm would not make a bit of difference. Biden said that chaos was going to happen in the first 6 months of an Obama administration. No need to run a brain scan to see Biden is in serious health.
Releasing Biden’s medical information is clearly a ploy to distract the voter. This comes after the Powell silliness. Powell is not going to campaign because he cannot explain his stance on the war and supporting Obama.
We have yet to see Obama’s medical report, any of his papers from high school through law school. Where did he finish in his class rank at Columbia?
I am reminded of Kerry berating Bush’s education. Later we find out that Kerry was a solid D student and Bush was a C.
Now we are going to get what we paid for
Pelosi, Reid, Barney Frank, and Obama
Posted by: back lash against powell | October 21, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am
>> Where did he finish in his class rank at Columbia?
Who cares? He graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School.
Of course, you are free to continue grasping at any reason you care to in order to justify your position, no matter how petty or irrational..
Just as long as you ignore the issues and where each candidate stands on them, which is your real goal, isn’t it? :)
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 12:58 am 12:58 am
Some posters are saying that Clinton cleaned up the economy – not quite. The economy took off like a rocket because of the PC and Internet revolutions that the technology kid entrepreneurs paid for with hard work and sweat.
Clinton paid them back big time by shipping all of the business to trading partners. India and China are doing very well. China especially gets it. They have a technology revoultion going on in Shanghai wit their well educated ids.
The teachers union has US kids tied in a gnot with the help of the democrats. Our kids are not studying math and science because the teaching is terrible and they know that the jobs have been out sourced.
The democrats have a great plan for all of this. We will give each under achieving family – which they have trained to not want more – a $500 check to sell out – socialism.
Posted by: back lash against powell | October 21, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am
((( Clinton paid them back big time by shipping all of the business to trading partners. )))
Right.. quite the revisionist history you got going there. guess all those jobs going overseas accounted for one of the lowest unemployment rates in our history.
((( socialism )))
Oh, there is the sound bite of the week! Keep parroting it and maybe you will hook some of the more ignorant.. looks like you took the bait.
Posted by: willy | October 21, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
Along with other government cuts and increased taxes.. same thing we should be doing now. And obama called it in 2002, and again in 2007.. go figure!
proposal Obama to cut 95% of working american’s taxes….
now you make no sense, none,
you 2 faced your own views.
stick up [copy/paste] whatever you can find in hoping that it works
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 21, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am
The revisionist history is that the democrats had anything to do with the Internet revolution and the subsequent boom (and bubble) that it created. Those jobs that were created in the boom time were the result of that bubble.
We also were not fighting a war at that time. We are currently fighting two or three depending on how you count. Yes, I know the whine – it was Bush. Yes, it was Bush and Powell who sold it to the world. No revisionist history here please.
Now we are in a war – easy to forget as we have not been whacked in a while. Biden seems to be hoping that will happen again soon.
Pelosi, Reid, Barneny Franks, Biden, Obama. I can hardly wait for my $500 check.
Posted by: back lash against powell | October 21, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am
(( I can hardly wait for my $500 check. ))
I got mine this year! And now Bushie is saying he wants to send out some more..
Gotta love those Chinese.. the gift givers that just keep on giving. Of course, McCain wants even more of their money.. some $4.2 trillion over 10 years with his tax cuts, so he can take from the middle class and give to his rich buddies. And McCain wants to make sure the wealthy have health insurance, while the rest of us have to try to fend for ourselves.. I do feel bad about all those Americans who will lose insurance under McCain, but as long as he keeps giving to the wealthy like Bush, we should all be just fine and dandy!
Posted by: willy | October 21, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am
>> proposal Obama to cut 95% of working american’s taxes….
Yup, and modestly raise the it for the top 5%..
McCain wants to cut taxes for 100% of working families, but give the biggest cuts to the wealthy.. unfortunately, he doesn’t tell you that us middle class slobs won’t see much of a tax cut at all. Heck even Joe (sam) the plumber would get a bigger cut under Obama than McCain.. but McCain don’t want to emphasize that point, now does he?
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am
you cant pull up ANY of obama’s COLLEGE records they were sealed after donations in the millions of dollars range were made to these universitys by middle eastern countries via the Ayers connection.
like everything else during this election… middle eastern countries are trying to buy
700 pennsylvannia ave, how else do they get what they want for there oil from america…they buy the higest seat in the land thats how.
chek obama’s donations to his campaign:
an article by Newsmax.com news Web site, that asserts that a database of FEC records shows “questionable overseas donations that contains more than 11,500 contributions totaling more than $33.8 million
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 21, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am
Remember John McCains stand on Taxes back in the day – Feb. 2, 2000
JIM LEHRER: There was a suggestion today from some of Governor Bush’s supporters that maybe you’re not really a true blue Republican, that some of the things you support like campaign finance reform and your opposition to tax cuts are more like Gore and Bradley and Clinton and Democrats than Republican.
SEN. JOHN McCAIN: Well, I’m much more like Ronald Reagan, actually, than the present hierarchy of our party. I’m for tax cuts, but I’m for working Americans. Governor Bush wants to give 38 percent of his tax cuts to the wealthiest 1 percent. I want to give it to working families.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/jan-june00/mccain_2-2.html
Guess he changed his mind.. again.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am
I am surprised to see democrat whiners on these blogs. Hey, Obama is going to win – look at the polls.
You will definitely get your next check. We all will. I like that the bottom 40% do not pay any tax. Helps me.
Rev Wright will get his own radio show and he can call all of America racists. He can have the guy his church gave an award to, Farrakhan, and that fat Limbaugh will be off the air with the “fairness doctrine” that Pelosi and Reid want to bring back. I do not like those radio show guys, but I would like a little free choice.
No reason for democrats to whine about Palin. She will go back to Alaska and live a good life.
Posted by: back lash against powell | October 21, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am
>> like everything else during this
>> election… middle eastern countries
>> are trying to buy 700 pennsylvannia
>> ave,
I think you have the current candidates confused with the numnuts who is currently in office.. along with his whacky sidekick who is now claiming that the VP position isn’t part of the executive branch of government so he can shred documents that might be used against him after he leaves office.. those two rascals.. gotta love ‘em.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
October is not over yet! Ever heard of the October Surprise? Experts have looked over the documents, that is enough for me. People would not be filing lawsuits spending money if they did not have a case! Check this out. All of the signatures without any of the lowlife main stream media, even mentioning it because they are to far gone googoo over Obama to tell the truth! http://www.rallycongress.com/constitutional-qualification/1244/view_all/18/
Posted by: Jennie22 | October 21, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am
>> Rev Wright will get his own radio show and he can call all of America racists.
Those guys are the funnest to play with, don’t you know that? I also just love it when the Jehovah’s Witnesses stop by.. I usually lure them in and offer them some tea.. and in less than 1/2 hour they are trying to find any excuse they can to get out of the house. They have way too many buttons that can be easily pushed!
May Allah Be With You!
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am
If I was Palin, I would tell all of Washington to jump for it. She has gotten a good taste of the back biting crap that currently passes for politics in this country. She has been called every deplorable name in the book and few stood up for her.
Where would you rather be, Washington DC, with Barney Franks, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi or walking through the woods in Alaska?
Posted by: back lash against powell | October 21, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am
>> October is not over yet! Ever heard of the October Surprise?
Yeah, I believe that was when Palin was found guilty of violating state ethics laws, combined with Powell endorsing Obama..
>> People would not be filing lawsuits spending money if they did not have a case!
Oh my, you really don’t have a clue do you?!?!?
Keep clinging.. if that is what makes you feel better about your position.. it will all be over soon.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am
>> She has been called every deplorable name in the book and few stood up for her.
And rightfully so.. scraping the bottom of the barrel simply to cater to your base just shows that McCain really doesn’t care about anything other than John McCain.. and yet, some people (including apparently you) are just willing to bend over and take it, and continue asking for more by cheering them on. I guess Bush set the bar pretty low, but it is sad that some Americans have such low expectations from their leaders as to accept Dumb and Dumber as what should be considered the best the GOP could come up with.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am
Moosebrain is now picking on religious people. He knows they are racist.
The next time I am flooded out, I hope the white Christians show up to help the way they did in New Orleans – when even the government let us down.
He does not see the contradiction in discriminating against people for what they believe. Maybe we can apply the fairness doctrine there and force him to listen to religious raio shows.
Posted by: back lash against powell | October 21, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
Concerns about foreign fundraising have been raised by other anecdotal accounts of illegal activities.
In June, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave a public speech praising Obama, claiming foreign nationals were donating to his campaign.
“All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man,” the Libyan leader said. “They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency…”
Though Gadhafi asserted that fundraising from Arab and African nations were “legitimate,” the fact is that U.S. federal law bans any foreigner from donating to a U.S. election campaign
A pair of Palestinian brothers named Hosam and Monir Edwan contributed more than $31,300 to the Obama campaign in October and November 2007, FEC records show.
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 21, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am
I think Moosebrain is winning tonight. He has us all convinced that he is on the side of right and humanity – and just a decent guy.
What did Biden say about Obama “clean and articulate”. Biden the most racist guy in this years race.
I think the people have spoken and it is Obama. I like that as we have shown that we want to move on in America.
There is really no reason for anyone to whine. Moose whatever will think differently. I am not happy about Pelosi (who seems to be wrecking Shehans candidacy), Reid (who was willing to let a million people die in Iraq when he announced we lost there 9 months ago), and Barney Franks (who did not do his job monitoring Fannie Mae). We will live through it. Americans are tough.
Posted by: back lash against powell | October 21, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
Funny thing is I was a Obama supporter. I live in Chicago and whben I started to pay attention and got the real low down on him and his racist wife I pitched the yard sign and jumped ship!
Posted by: Jennie22 | October 21, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am
>> New Orleans – when even the government let us down.
Yeah, how is that $50 billion a year government reorg working out? Not so good, huh..
I went through Andrew, and lived on MREs for about 3 months.. seemed to work pretty well back then before Bush got his hands in the pie.
>> He does not see the contradiction in discriminating against people for what
>> they believe. Maybe we can apply the fairness doctrine there and force him to
>> listen to religious raio shows.
Funny! Sorry, I don’t discriminate, I like rational discussion about differing opinions.. I’ve studied theology for 35+ years.. not just a single religion, but pretty much all of them.. when was the last time you read the Koran?. It just so happens that most bible thumpers don’t have a clue as to what they are thumping, or are so narrow minded that they will dismiss conflicting information and tend to ignore any rational discourse. They are indeed fun to play with, and in some cases, they might even get an education about what it is they are thumping.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 1:49 am 1:49 am
>> Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave a public speech praising Obama, claiming foreign nationals were donating to his campaign.
Isn’t that fantastic!! That is another great aspect of Obama (and mentioned as one of the reasons Powell supports him). This world needs discourse.. if we are to solve any problems, you can’t usually do it at the end of a gun barrel.. that is not cooperation, that is coercion, and simply leads to resentment and aggression. One of the reasons that so many countries dislike the US. McCains stance on foreign policy is might makes right, which is a sure path to more violence and resentment..
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
Concerns about foreign fundraising have been raised by other anecdotal accounts of illegal activities.
In June, Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi gave a public speech praising Obama, claiming foreign nationals were donating to his campaign.
“All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man,” the Libyan leader said. “They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency…”
Though Gadhafi asserted that fundraising from Arab and African nations were “legitimate,” the fact is that U.S. federal law bans any foreigner from donating to a U.S. election campaign
A pair of Palestinian brothers named Hosam and Monir Edwan contributed more than $31,300 to the Obama campaign in October and November 2007, FEC records show.
open your eyes fool !
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 21, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am
What a sad person you are MooseS—,you think your Big Eared Marxist Hussien SuperMonkey has more Experience than her?HAH,she has more experience in one Fingernail than Obama has in his and all his advisors bodies.People have said that Executive is not a magical multiplier when put in front of Experience,I disagree.When you are running for an EXECUTIVE OFFICE and your opponents only have LEGISLATIVE experience then that makes you more qualified than them by LIGHT YEARS.Call me a rascist if you think it will make you feel better but I am not a rascist.I would vote for Bill Cosby in a heartbeat.As I have said before I dislike him because he will destroy this country,not because he is black.And I have seen that the Cowards once again waited till I was off the page to start bashing me.I would like it if you would show me the same respect I show you in not dragging you through the mud when you log off.But that is like asking Grass to turn to Gold,it is physically impossible.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am
Moose bran – yes, I think your religious training really shows – especially in you calling all of us a pathetic lot. The term Bible thumpers that you use does not really convey any prejudice on your part – do not listen to them. I am sure they will be delighted to hear that in your fine religious training that you have learned to enjoy “playing” with people of conscience.
Not exactly what one would hear from the Dalai Lama. I would love to talk more with you Moose, but I am moving on.
Maybe you can talk Reid, Pelosi, or Franks into chatting with you. Powell is not going to talk any more this political season. Let me know if you get flooded, we turn the other cheek and always help.
Posted by: back lash against powell | October 21, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am
>> The term Bible thumpers that you use does not really convey any prejudice on your part
Of course not.. but it does emphasize my disdain for people who wish to, in their own way, impose their beliefs on others in an unsolicited fashion. I do not conversely do the same to them except when confronted, and do not go out of my way to change ones belief system at all.
Everyone has the right to believe what they want, but when someone attempts to impose their beliefs on me, I simply reply in kind. Isn’t America great!
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am
And why do you Obama supporters keep going on and on and on about how articulate he is?When I hear him speak I hear And,and,and,Uhh,uhh,uhh,fundamental,fundamental,Change and his supporters start clapping.Anyone want to know why his opponents don’t boo him at his rallies?We can’t understand what he’s saying.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 2:14 am 2:14 am
>> HAH,she has more experience in one Fingernail than Obama has in his and all his advisors bodies.
It is a shame she doesn’t have the brains Obama has ‘in one Fingernail’ or all of her speech and flash card writers.
>> I have seen that the Cowards once again waited till I was off the page to start bashing me.
Sorry, but it appears that you do not understand how the hypertext protocol works.. it is a stateless network protocol that gives no indication of ‘logged in’, or ‘logged out’ for that matter. Your browser simply opens a connection to an http server, sends a request and receives a response.. at which time the connection is closed. It is impossible to consider your browsers state at any given moment except during the data transfer phase, and what happens after the connection is closed is between you and your browser.
And in case you missed it, the primary job of the President is to uphold the law of the land. Bush has failed in that regard. It will be refreshing to have some one who has actually read the Constitution in office, and actually an expert in Constitutional law. Both of them in fact.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am
>> We can’t understand what he’s saying.
Then either you aren’t listening or are not even trying.. while Obama gives clear and articulate answers using specifics, McCain simply responds in generalities..
Such as Social Security.. Obama has a clear and well spelled out plan.. McCain? Well, he says we need to fix it.. and wants to do it in a bi-partisan way.. and if it can’t be done that way, then he will fix it himself. Ummm, how?
Go ahead, check his web site.. see if you can come up with how he plans on doing it other than privatizing a part of it (won’t that be fun.. part of your social security in the stock market!)
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am
And who on this page thinks that since Iran and other Extremist governments are getting nuclear weapons we should dispose of ours?Or that we should cut our military back to the point were we could be anihalated by a third world country?Or that we should kill babies while they are being born because it might “Inconvience” the mother?Or that we should have sat around and watched Saddam Hussien murder people because he didn’t have an intercontinental missile pointed at us?Or that we should raise taxes instead of cut taxes?I ask these things not because I want to scare you(I myself am scared of what carnage an Obama Administration would unleash),but because I want you to see what electing Obama would do to this country.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am
I heard him and all I heard was Circle Talk and “Change”.Which must be a major attraction to liberals,and articulate my a–.he made about as much sense as a two year old.He repeated the same thing over again and again in differant words.Give me a break,Let me off the hook,I’m taking 5.Does that make ME qualified to be POTUS?And I said I had logged off smarta–.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am
As repugnant as Obama’s relationship with Ayers is, the fact that for two decades Obama attended a church where paranoid hatred of America was preached on a regular basis is more telling. The senator counted as his minister, friend, and advisor a man who says that America created the AIDS virus to kill blacks, puts blacks in prison rather than killing them off, and deserved to be attacked on 9/11 because of its racism.
When the press finally picked up on stories Newsmax was running on Reverend Wright, Obama said he would not have belonged to the church if he had regularly heard Wright’s hate-filled statements. Yet when he announced for the presidency, Obama disinvited Wright from giving an invocation because his sermons can get “kind of rough.” Why did Obama not resign from the church then?
Last December, Wright gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. Why did Obama not resign then? Instead, after Newsmax broke the story on Jan. 14, Obama dissembled about the issue, saying the award was for Farrakhan’s work with ex-offenders. Neither the presentation nor the article about it in the church magazine mentioned anything about ex-offenders.
The truth is that Obama joined the church and adopted Wright as his friend and mentor because he feels an affinity for Wright’s radical views. Why else would he expose his kids to Wright’s “God d— America” tirades? Michelle Obama’s comment that, for the first time in her adult life, she feels proud of America, highlights the fact that she has the same blame-America-first mentality Wright promotes.
As with his minister, Obama repudiated Ayers only when press disclosures became too embarrassing.
As Max Noel, a former FBI agent who worked the Weather Underground case, tells me, “They [the Weather Underground] were a violent, violent, anti-government, domestic terrorist organization. Obama has not only associated with those people, he continued associating with racist people like his minister Jeremiah Wright over a period of 20 years. I don’t think that’s by happenstance. It’s just amazing to me. The American people are being led by the nose by people who say this isn’t important.”
In fact, Oliver “Buck” Revell, a former associate deputy director of the FBI who at one time oversaw the applicant and hiring process at the bureau, tells me the FBI would not hire such an individual as an agent.
“One of the principal purposes of the background investigation is to determine who an applicant associated with and the degree of association with any questionable associates,” Revell says. “Obama would certainly not have been hired on my watch.”
Posted by: Cracker jack | October 21, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am
>> And who on this page thinks that since Iran and other Extremist governments are getting nuclear weapons we should dispose of ours?
Nobody.. but there is no need to have the largest stockpile in the world.. enough to blow the planet up several times over! Bush broke the non-proliferation treaty by the way.. another snub at other countries who were abiding by it up until then.
>> Or that we should cut our military back to the point were we could be anihalated by a third world country?
You are kidding, right? Please tell me any third world country that could have annihilated us!
>> Or that we should kill babies while they are being born because it might “Inconvience” the mother?
Now you are out in left field somewhere.. and obviously have bought into the BS being slung around by the pro-lifers. Maybe you should do a little fact checking there.
>> Or that we should have sat around and watched Saddam Hussien murder people because he didn’t have an intercontinental missile pointed at us?
Um, what exactly was the threat from Saddam.. sure, he was a bad guy, but he posed no threat to the us. Apparently, you support pre-emptive strikes and the shoot first ask questions later doctrine of Bush and co. And look where that got us! McCain was one of the leading supporters.. “greet us as liberators”, “swift and easy victory”, “quick and painless transition to a democratic government”. Didn’t pan out too well.. and you would think that with all of his “Military” experience, he would have known better. Guess who did though?
>> Or that we should raise taxes instead of cut taxes?
Incase you missed it, Obamas plan would cut taxes more than McCain on low and middle class americans. McCain want’s to take from the middle class and give it to his wealthy buddies. And the bottom line is that the government needs to raise revenue somewhere.. by at least $450 billion just to close the deficit not including the bailouts and $10 billion a month we are spending in Iraq. And any tax rates will be no greater than it was under Clinton.. and I didn’t see the sky falling under him.
Please explain how trickle down will work, given that it hasn’t in every attempt yet.. Just look at the current bush administration.. took a balanced budget and surplus, cut taxes and managed to raise the deficit by $133 billion his first year. You say cutting taxes on the wealthy creates jobs? Unemployment was 3.9% when bush took office.. it hit 6.1% last August.. doesn’t work, has never worked, and continuing to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results is just plain stupid. But, of course, McCain has stated himself that he knows very little about economics, and Phil Gramm is his money guy.. same guy who gave us the enron loophole and managed to give us the current gas prices.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am
>> a violent, violent, anti-government, domestic terrorist organization.
Check out http://www.kosovoliberationarmy.com
(warning, might be a bit too graphic for you)
And see what McCain was supporting in both funds and arms while sitting on the US Council for World Freedom. Even covertly after Congress cut off funding, circumventing the law to do so.. what a guy! And he still says he supports US actions in Kosovo, mentioning it again in the second presidential debate.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 2:46 am 2:46 am
Hmmm,I wonder cracker jack,when the news story while come on the air about this……Oh yeah I forgot the media is ON HIS SIDE!I do not trust a single political(and take everything else with a bag of salt)word that comes out of their mouths.Atleast fox doesn’t hide it’s slightly right bias.That would be why it is the number1 news network. People are tired of the “I am unbiased but if I wasn’t I would hate him” media attitude.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am
>> And I said I had logged off smarta–.
And again, I’ll remind you that nobody here can tell if you are ‘logged’ on or off..
Still waiting on that Social Security issue.. here, I’ll help you out.. this is what he says:
Reform Social Security: John McCain will fight to save the future of Social Security, and he believes that we may meet our obligations to the retirees of today and the future without raising taxes. John McCain supports supplementing the current Social Security system with personal accounts – but not as a substitute for addressing benefit promises that cannot be kept. John McCain will reach across the aisle to address these challenges, but if the Democrats do not act, he will. No problem is in more need of honesty than the looming financial challenges of entitlement programs. Americans have the right to know the truth and John McCain will not leave office without fixing the problems that threaten our future prosperity and power.
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Lots of words.. not much on details though. We have the right to know the truth? Well, we are still waiting to hear the plan.. where is it? IMO, the above is about as far from “Straight Talk” as it gets.
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am
Oh right,play by rules that help the enemy?Those rules were made to fight the soviet Union,not extremists.After what obama plans to cut almost any.Pick whichever you like.Ahhh,voting against partial birth abortion ban isn’t voting to kill babies,please do tell how that is.Well I highly doubt taking out a bloodthorsty dictator who possessed WMDs would be considered an evil deed,even before the tapes of the taliban training there.And apparently YOU missed it,obamas own people have said it would be returned to clinton tax rates.And with the “wealthy”(what a crock)taxes it would be higher.Ahhhh,so you seem to think the Socialist road is the way to go?Dually noted “Comrade”.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 2:59 am 2:59 am
Ahh so he is supposed to predict the future for you comrade?I do not think it works that way.And do not take this the wrong way,I do not agree with him on everything but he served this country and tries to serve it every time he is in the senate,even while people like you try and flush us down the toilet to Socialism.But don’t worry comrade,if you really want to visit a communist country I’m sure you can get a ticket to venezeula.Whom I bet you would say is also not a threat to us.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 3:08 am 3:08 am
And why did you even bring up vice presidential nomminees?Yours told a paralyzed man to get up and repeatedly told the world obama wasn’t ready to lead this country.So I would like to see you try and hold Gaffer up to Palin.It would be very entertaining to see him eviscerated.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am
>> Oh right,play by rules that help the enemy?Those rules were made to fight the soviet Union,not extremists
Yes, and therefore, the rules have changed.. 19 people were responsible for 9/11.. the largest army in the world would have done no good.
Interesting you mention fighting ‘extremists’.. did you know that in the past 60 years, after examination of over 600 terrorist organizations, that military force rarely has been effective in removing those groups? Here is congressional testimony given to the Armed Forces committee in September. It’s findings coincide with what the Iraq Study Group found and recommended:
http://www.rand.org/pubs/testimonies/CT314/index.html
And guess who, in 2007, proposed the exact same thing? Give you a hint.. it wasn’t McCain :)
>> Ahhh,voting against partial birth abortion ban isn’t voting to kill babies,please do tell how that is
I recently had a rather long discussion with an OB/GYN on this very subject. Obama has been very clear on the subject. He opposes late term abortions except when the health of the mother is at stake, and has stood firm on that position his whole life. Pro lifers have taken his stance for abortion to extreme levels in order to discredit his position. In a nutshell: Obama explained his Illinois Senate votes by saying that to vote otherwise would have undermined Roe and that there was already a law on the books in Illinois that required lifesaving treatment. He said he supports a ban on late-term and partial-birth abortions, as long as there is an exception for the health and life of the mother. Pretty reasonable, but others, particularly pro life proponents still disagree.
>> Well I highly doubt taking out a bloodthorsty dictator who possessed WMDs would be considered an evil deed,even before the tapes of the taliban training there.And apparently YOU missed it.
I must have missed them WMD’s.. indeed. Still haven’t found them, even though the Bush administration said they knew exactly where they were. And in case you missed it, Iraq became a breeding ground for terrorists after we invaded, as multiple congressional studies have confirmed..
>> obamas own people have said it would be returned to clinton tax rates
Nope, he said they would be less. Not that I would even mind if they were returned to the same levels.. we need to get the deficit down somehow, and I hate leaving that burden to my children other future generations.
>> Ahhhh,so you seem to think the Socialist road is the way to go?Dually noted “Comrade”.
Hint for you: You just witnessed ‘socalizing’ our financial market.. and we have had a progressive tax system for decades. If however you feel that it’s cool to take from the middle class and continue giving to the wealthy, that is your choice. But remember, cutting taxes across the board does nothing to closing the deficit or reducing national debt.. something that our future generations will be having to deal with for a long time.
May Allah be with you!
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 3:19 am 3:19 am
>> while people like you try and flush us down the toilet to Socialism
You might want to go look up “Socialism” in the dictionary by the way :)
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am
First off the Extremists I refer to are governments like the one in Iran,a nuclear weapon for the likes of the taliban is overkill.Apparently you don’t know much about medicine,they find out about life threatening issues way before birth,if they do not it’s the doctors fault for not catching it within the nine months(give or take)that passes between the first doctors visit and birth.So it wouldn’t matter(and it’s already law that abortion is an option if the mothers health is in danger).Of course they will not tell anyone that.Nerve gas(especially VX)is considered a WMD,better check that out before you go spouting.Ohhhhh,congress(who caused this whole mess)says it and it agrees with obama so it must be so.His own people said it but it is untrue when it’s unpopular,interesting.Would you all stop bashing bush,he is by and large far from our best president but he is not running.Maybe someone should tell this to obama.So stop bashing him,it doesn’t help anything and wastes peoples time.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 3:37 am 3:37 am
Socialism is when I work hard and have to pay people for sitting on their lazy a–es all day.And I have forgot to ask,what is your view on Illegal Immigration?
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 3:44 am 3:44 am
>> stop bashing bush,he is by and large far from our best president but he is not running.Maybe someone should tell this to obama.So stop bashing him,it doesn’t help anything and wastes peoples time.
Show me where McCains stand on the issues differs significantly from that of Bush.. He can usurp Obamas ‘change’ mantra, but he has shown none from the current administration other than the name on the door.
>> doesn’t help anything and wastes peoples time.
Oh, you mean like trying to find tenuous connections to past associations and repeating the same lies over and over again hoping that the more ignorant will actually buy into them.. Karl Rove would be proud.. oh wait, even he said that the McCain campaign had gone over the line with those tactics.. sorry, my bad.
>> Socialism is when I work hard and have to pay people for sitting on their lazy a–es all day.
Hmmm, you mean like the current system in place that has been there for at least as long as I’ve been alive? Welcome to the wonderful world of socialism my friend.. you have been living in it all along and didn’t even know it apparently. You do indeed have a very selective view of reality.. maybe you should take off your GOP sunglasses and step back a bit. So what do you call it when your tax burden is increased due to huge tax breaks to the wealthy?
PS: You mentioned Jugo.. I do business in Nicaragua, and witnessed what the contras did when McCain was funding them in their attempt to overthrow that government. I won’t get into the details, but what I saw was beyond belief.. and even today, the majority of that country lives in utter poverty and squaller. Chavez wants to give oil and aid to them, and they are desperate to accept anything at this point. Isn’t it amazing that every time the US decides to ‘dictate’ how other countries act and govern themselves, we wind up leaving that country worse off than it was before we messed with it, and leave more resentment and anger towards us that if we had just left things alone for them to work out for themselves?
Well, you have already proved yourself incapable of rational discourse and have started on your ad hominems, so pretty much any further discussion would be a waste of electrons. I wish you luck.. you do seem to live in a dark and fearful world, and I hope you get over that and someday step into the 21st century and the reality the rest of us enjoy.
Cheers
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 4:03 am 4:03 am
Oh, if nothing else, do read the testimony and historical analysis.. it might make you feel a little better :)
http://www.rand.org/pubs/testimonies/CT314/index.html
Posted by: MooseBrain | October 21, 2008, 4:08 am 4:08 am
:)Well while we’re on the subject of who’s differant from who why don’t we try obama,shall we(oh yes,I was planning this all along,thanks for falling for it like the mindless obama-cattle that you are(know ones enemy as one knows oneself),you may go now)?Didn’t todays liberaly extreme congress get into office on the message of Change?And every single poll I have ever seen has put their approval so low that they could only aspire to be as popular as bush.So if the last time we fell for “Change” we got a depression/recession why should we not expect something worse this time?Last time we only gave them Congress,this time it’ll be congress AND the presidency.Which means they will be able to spread they’re Self Dustructive tendencies to every single decision that affects this country.Which means you can kiss retirement goodbye,hobbies?Not anymore.Birthday presents?Nope.You won’t be able to do anything except drive to work and back.Anything else will be a priveledge.The constitution will be shreded(you know,the document safegaurding your rights).And you will still have to work relentlessly to support 30 million illegal immigrants who don’t pay taxes and who account for 1/4 of our crime.And if you are wondering every single word is true,if you don’t believe me then look at what he says carefully,take in every word and how it is used.Look at Wikiquotes or some other website that has quotes of his.If it makes it easier imagine it coming from the person who you aren’t supporting and then weigh how it sounds then.REALLY look at his policies and examine them carefully again looking at them as they are coming from the person you aren’t supporting.And after you have done all this you will see what I am talking about.And if you are thinking I say this because I am a republican I ain’t,my grandpa was a Democrat.I know what being a democrat use to mean and what it means today.And I think if my grandfather was still here he would be appalled at what the democratic party has become.I do not care which party you are on,if you support Obama do this before you follow him like mindless cattle.Make sure he is who you REALLY want to vote for,not that you are pinning past Bush mistakes on a new GOP member bacause they are of the same party.So just make sure you know obama before you vote for him.
Obama for Latrine Cleaner ’08 Signing off.
Oh,and Hugo Chavez declared war on us and is buying supplies for this war from russia,so does it matter if he is trying to help country by giving it “free oil”,he will just charge them exorbitantly later.Well thanks for seeing it that way,that would be exactly what I wanted you to think.Goodbye MooseBrain and Goodnight All.OfLC ’08 out
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 4:53 am 4:53 am
Sorry,I meant to say Nomminee,not member.Again sorry for the mistake.’Night all.
Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 21, 2008, 4:59 am 4:59 am
Al Quaeda attacked the US in 1993, the first year of President Clinton.
Al Quaeda attacked the US in 2001, the first year of Georg W. Bush.
And if their history repeats itself, Al Quaeda will probably try again next year, the first year of the new President.
So what else is new?
I noticed that trend in 2001, after 911. That’s Al Quaeda’s M.O.D.
They want to test the new President. That’s why they did it in the first year of Clinton’s and Bush’s presidency.
Hope to god we do not have to rely on the teleprompter guy!!!!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 21, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am
Why is there no mention of
Joe Biden’s fatal gaffe?
Biden stated that if he and Obama
are elected that Obama would definitely
be tested within the first six months
of their administration by an
international crisis!
The reason is that Obama woefully lacks
experience in foreign affairs and is viewed by friend and foe abroad as Weak!
Considering the fact that we are
currently involved in 2 wars and a
finanicial crisis do we need to elect
a novice who will get us into another
international crisis?
This plus Obama’s socialist plan to
redistribute the wealth in our country
are the closing arguments for a
McCain Presidency! Game Over!
McCain/Palin 08!
Posted by: reaganfan | October 21, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Well Obuma can send in his clown!!
I think the most ‘telling ‘ (foreshadowing ) statement Biden made was , “And he’s gonna need help. And the kind of help he’s gonna need is, he’s gonna need you – not financially to help him – we’re gonna need you to use your influence, your influence within the community, to stand with him. Because it’s not gonna be apparent initially, it’s not gonna be apparent that we’re right.”
This can be summed up to simply state “get ready , America ’cause you’re not going to like what we are getting ready to do to you !”
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THIS REALLY SOUNDS LIKE A WARM UP FOR THE DRAFT!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 21, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
Sen. Obama,
Here is a great idea. It’ll help you and Speaker Pelosi raise money for your Socialist agenda.
Sell, pay-per-view broadcast of your 1st 2 years in office.
The ‘Deer-in-the-Headlights episodes’ will be ratings smashers / revenue raises. I bet your first meeting with Mr. Putin will be a global blockbuster. It’ll be like 1961 Vienna all over again, live. How do you think he’ll respond when you ‘speech’ at him? That is afterall, all you’ve accomplished in government isn’t it?
go back to the Senate and accomplish something first. The candidacy of the Junior Senator from Illinois is a disgrace to democracy.
Posted by: 1961 Vienna | October 21, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Well said, Vienna. Obama might be able to fake his way to the White House, but he won’t be able to do it when it comes to dealing with hostile countries and terroristic threats. Obama’s leftist illuminati views and his inexperience will be eaten alive by all comers.
Posted by: Jeff | October 21, 2008, 4:07 pm 4:07 pm
So where is Barack’s medical report? I don’t mean his current health, I mean his medical history, like about drug rehab, etc. or mental health record?
Posted by: JKIR | October 21, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
BTW, did Joe’s records say anything about early onset senile dementia? Or at the very least, compulsive hotus airus liarus?
Posted by: JKIR | October 21, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
i think you made a mistake about obama and biden i think you were talking about mccain but we shouldn’t talk about his senile demintia or all his lies he is saying. i feel sorry for him when he says one thing then changes it, he as done it so often and as for palin she certainly tells lies. she was talking about obama and his tax plan well now she has been spending your money on clothes not just for herself but for her whole family. a least she is spending the poor peoples money not just the rich people.
Posted by: 08 | October 22, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
i think you made a mistake about obama and biden i think you were talking about mccain but we shouldn’t talk about his senile demintia or all his lies he is saying. i feel sorry for him when he says one thing then changes it, he as done it so often and as for palin she certainly tells lies. she was talking about obama and his tax plan well now she has been spending your money on clothes not just for herself but for her whole family. a least she is spending the poor peoples money not just the rich people.
Posted by: 08 | October 22, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
I sincerely appreciate Senator Biden’s public forewarning about Obama being tested by an international crisis should Obama become president, and wish Biden well. I think that forewarning may have been motivated by a desire to ‘inoculate’ public expectations but regardless, it is a very good warning.
But Biden got it only half right.
Within 3-6 months there will be MULTIPLE international crises, not just one, in the event of a greenhorn Obama presidency. I expect five, from Hamas, Iran, North Korea, China, and Putin in Russia.
Both Hamas and Iran will test Obama’s commitment to supporting Israel by stirring up trouble with the Palestinians. In addition, Iran will test Obama by reniging on any progress toward nuclear weapon development.
Obama is currently a puzzlement to the Muslim world. In their eyes, he is a Muslim, via his father. They will want to clarify the issue. Should Obama indeed support Israel, he will then become the Muslim version of a heretic.
North Korea also will take a step back from nuclear weapons development and proliferation to see if Obama will sweeten the recent deal they already got from Bush.
Iran, China, and Russia also will dramatically increase conventional arms shipments to insurgents in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. Ordnance sales are always a good cash crop, especially with a global turndown.
Russia has a lot of oil and gas but it is difficult and expensive to get it to market. That’s real bad Russian revenue news in relation to a global turndown and falling oil price. In the event of an Obama presidency I expect Russia to make a further play in Georgia to get de facto control of the oil pipeline there, and probably work toward installing a puppet state. Russia will also make a play in the Crimea. For one, the Russians are not going to stand still for Ukranians either kicking their naval fleet out of the Black Sea or jacking up the Sevastopol lease payments sky high. Secondarily and simultaneously, Putin will put pressure on the Ukranians to get a better deal with gas transport to Europe via the Ukranian gas pipeline.
Obama supporters can’t see beyond how The One makes them finally feel good about themselves and so will be unable to see how inexperience can indeed be dangerous. Our potential enemies suffer no illusions about striking while the iron is hot right in the beginning, for their purposes.
The ultimate irony is that during the first ninety days Obama will be widely praised by all of the above, especially Putin. And all the Obama supporters will run around gleefully saying, “See, see, didn’t we tell you!”
All that kissy-kissy approval though is just the set up for what will happen next.
It’s decision time now. I’m voting McCain/Palin. Obama can try again when he’s at least 60, if he builds his experience.
Posted by: dom | October 22, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm