By Lee Speigel

Oct 9, 2008 9:17pm

Cindy McCain: The POWs Who ‘Had the Trouble’ Were Young Draftees, Not Trained Officers Like My Husband

An interesting exchange from Cindy McCain in the new issue of Marie Claire.  Will be interesting to see how McCain’s fellow P.O.W.’s react.

Q: You met your husband after his POW days. To what extent is that still with you – or is it a part of history?

CINDY McCAIN: My husband will be the first one to tell you that that’s in the past. Certainly it’s a part of who he is, but he doesn’t dwell on it. It’s not part of a daily experience that we experience or anything like that. But it has shaped him. It has made him the leader that he is.

Q: But no cold sweats in the middle of the night?

CINDY McCAIN: Oh, no, no, no, no, no. My husband, he’d be the first one to tell you that he was trained to do what he was doing. The guys who had the trouble were the 18-year-olds who were drafted. He was trained, he went to the Naval Academy, he was a trained United States naval officer, and so he knew what he was doing.

- jpt

User Comments

Cindy McCain is dissing 18 years who have post-traumatic stress syndrome.
Disgusting woman. And people want her to be our first lady?

Posted by: Carrie | October 9, 2008, 9:20 pm 9:20 pm

SHe hasa proved that she is just as insane as her husband. Not the 1st time a McCainiac has dishonored POWS/ Google McCain attacking Dolores Alfond a sister of a POW who’s only crime was asking McCain and Kerry to NOT normalize relations with Vietnam, untill all of the POWS living and dead were turned over to the US. Google American POWS Alive American Free Press. (Vietnam Veterans Against McCain)McCain is the WORST of the most despicable scum that has ever walked the Earth.

Posted by: hmn | October 9, 2008, 9:25 pm 9:25 pm

Well I can tell SHE’S ready to be an ambassador of good will in the White House…

Posted by: Reality-based | October 9, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

No Carrie, just the opposite. She is acknowledging that young soldiers have problems sometimes. The more training the better you fair.

Posted by: Steve | October 9, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

“The more training the better you fair.”
Since McCain was busy racking up demerits and finishing 894th in his class of 899, what training did McCain recieve that makes him impervious to PTSD?

Posted by: Ryan C | October 9, 2008, 9:32 pm 9:32 pm

Does this mean that Cindy does not want 18 year olds to be soldiers? Is she aware of her husband’s terrible, terrible record of supporting veterans? Particularly veterans who are disabled or who need mental care?

Posted by: mara | October 9, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

Support your troops like Cindy McCain…This is what happens when you have the elite act like they are down to earth. This is one of her 13 homes telling her to speak.

Posted by: Vote for the guy with 1 house | October 9, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

This was totally disrespectful. It reminds me of Marie Antoinette who said, after learning her people were hungry, “Let them eat cake.”

Posted by: James | October 9, 2008, 9:38 pm 9:38 pm

As a clinical psychologist who has treated PTSD in veterans I am appalled that the potential first lady is calling PTSD a weakness, in essence. Here are people who face their own mortality every day, and come back having to reconcile their toughness with PTSD symptoms. They already feel that it is a weakness, and wind up feeling ashamed because of people like her. Thank you, Mrs. McCain, for giving the veterans a reason to be ashamed. Now, let’s talk about your drug addiction, and how desperate you felt when in the throes of addiction that you had to steal from your own charity.

Posted by: RT | October 9, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

Trophy wife? Riiiiiiiiiiiight
More like a plastic bag with 2 legs, 2 eyes and white hair.
Sweetie, you should be focusing on transitioning into oblivion with McChicken. Those cougar days are over.

Posted by: Denmark Vessey | October 9, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

She is telling what she sees as her reality. She’s not like us and neither is McCain. Those soldiers who had the trouble are the “other” ones. How dare them try to label Obama as elitest!! They don’t even know people like us. McCain will get us into another war with Iran. He’s not lying about this; listen closely, you’ll hear the truth from both candidates.

Posted by: Jeannie | October 9, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

Disgusting woman.
BTW, “he doesn’t dwell on it”?
Do we know the old man better than Cindy does?
Plus, I understand that McCain was trained to bring 5 planes down? Weird.
No parent of a young soldier in the US Army should vote for this b*tch’s hubby.

Posted by: herta | October 9, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

Cindy McCain made the comment the other day that Obama should walk in her shoes. Perhaps McCain should walk in the boots a soldier on the ground. It is a lot different than thousands of feet in the air.

Posted by: wth52 | October 9, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

McCain’s record with Vets: He has voted against increasing vets health care in 2004, 05, 06 and 07. Since 1991, he has voted 28 times against veterans benefits, including healthcare. The non-partisan Iraq and Afghanistan Vets give McCain a “D” rating on his votes for vets. In 2005, he voted aganst a bill which would provide mental health care to Iraqi vets (S2020). In 2008, McCain voted against the GI bill for Iraq vets (S43 amend to HR2642). McCain reversed his promise not to support waterboarding and voted with Bush on torture. In every debate, in every stump speech he talks about what a great friend to veterans he is. He also asks us to look at his record. I’m looking at his record and it’s hard to see how it could be much worse when it comes to veterans.

Posted by: mara | October 9, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm

OK, I’m backing Obama now. He’s not a leader, he’s not experienced, he is a mouthpiece for a powerful campaign put together by others that have been able to spin the game into their favor. His team has OutRoved Rove himself. McCain’s team has run a chaos effort, and has been severely harmed by the economic news. Yes, McCain is a hero, but we need a team of smart people to help design solutions to issues, we don’t need the lone ranger at this point in time. McCain would have been a darn good President 8 years ago, but he got screwed by the Bush crowd, just like the rest of us. Sorry, buddy, it is what it is.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | October 9, 2008, 9:55 pm 9:55 pm

Now THAT comment send a cold chill down my spine. Imagine if you’re a young returning Iraq vet with PTSD and you read that Cindy McCain thinks you’re weak for having PTSD. BTW, when Obama opposed funding for the troops because the bill didn’t contain a timeline, CINDY MCCAIN’s kid wasn’t in Iraq. What a lying female dog!

Posted by: AppeaseThis | October 9, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

RT: Thank you for your comment and your work. Frm what I’ve heard and read, the group of soldiers coming hme from Iraq are going to need more help than ever before. My hope is that they have a President who understands that -and is willing to pay to give them all the help we can.

Posted by: mara | October 9, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Cindy McCain needs to go back to one of her seven houses and continue her life as a trophy wife/ house flower. Or perhaps shes more comfortable with Nazi like rallies.

Posted by: United We Stand | October 9, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

What will tomorrow’s stupid comment be? Maybe Ms. Barbie should go back to just being the silent trophie wife. She is starting to sound as smart as the baked Alaskan.

Posted by: Jackson | October 9, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

Cindy McCain has made herself into Baghdad Bob!
I had an especially good laugh when she said that * * * Obama * * * was running a dirty campaign.
Perhaps someone should show her the ad that characterized a bill for give young children ‘AGE APPROPRIATE information’ regarding how to avoid sexual predators as ‘sex education’.
Perhaps she should divorce the lying bag of hypocracy that is currently her husband.

Posted by: John McCain's conscience | October 9, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

It makes no difference on how much training you had… to be in a war is a trauma in itself… and to belitte that in any way, shape or form is disgusting.
Cindy McCain is just plain vile. She has no clue on what she is saying.
This from a woman who stole drugs from charities and got a few dr.s license’s revoked.
If republicans do nothing but create hate and fear, I want nothing to do with them ever….
Her, her husband and the moose wonder are all a Mucking Fess.

Posted by: l | October 9, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

Funny, Cindy never mentioned that America is a hateful nation (Michelle)

Posted by: Captain America | October 9, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Completely out of touch… condescending… and utterly insensitive to veterans (“trained” or not) who ARE suffering from PSTD.
Amazing how McCain surrounds himself with people who are completely out of touch with reality.
And by the way, McCain was such a slacker that he graduated 494th in a class of 499… so what did he learn?

Posted by: clifton | October 9, 2008, 10:13 pm 10:13 pm

Her true colors are finally being seen by the rest of this country,So long wannnna b Barbie and your botox

Posted by: NH voter | October 9, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

“Funny, Cindy never mentioned that America is a hateful nation”
Naaah she just pissed on enlisted Vietnam Vets.

Posted by: Ryan c | October 9, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm


Funny, Cindy never mentioned that America is a hateful nation (Michelle)

Guess who is running a hateful campaign.
Blind hate that is being fed by this poisonous rhetoric , despicable and offensive…
Bi Partisan, Country First.. in your dreams. McCain First, You Betcha!

Posted by: CLabs | October 9, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

Btw..
If democrats wants to get sleazy.
CINDY, SHAME ON YOURSELF. HOME WRECKER

Posted by: CLabs | October 9, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Captain America – More Iraqi vets have committed suicide than any recorded in history. Already. There are some wonderful groups out there – full of vets who are trying to help other vets. They are also doing everything they can to try to get mental health professionals involved – and the Iraqi vets – not you – are the ones who are asking for more professional care. I trust them and believe they know what they are doing.

Posted by: mara | October 9, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Palin and the McCains are so desperate to win that they are willing to stoke the flames of anger and fear. Are they willing to incite people to violene in their desperation? Is that patriotism?

Posted by: ka | October 9, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

For mysterious reasons, my post disappeared. It didn’t contain any profanity, any links, any attacks against anyone on this board. It simply stated the truth. John McCain’s record in the Senate in supporting veterans is shameful. 1) Since 1991, he has voted 28 times against benefits for veterans, including healthcare. On many votes, he was in a small minority of senators who voted against the bills 2) In the years 2004, 2005, 2006, and 2007, he voted specifically against raising health care benefits for veterans. 3) Iraqi and Afghani Vets Assn gives John McCain a “D” rating in his Senate votes for vets. 4) He promised he would never vote for torture, because it would take away any hope of protection for American soldiers. Last year he caved and voted with Bush on torture. 5) This year he voted against the GI Bill for Iraqi soldiers. When most soldiers are asked why they enlisted, they say that they did it because it was the only way they could hope to go to college. John McCain pretends to support the troops. He asks us to look at his record and then make a decision. I have looked at his record and he should be ashamed of it.

Posted by: mara | October 9, 2008, 10:40 pm 10:40 pm

Obama should ask McCain to explain those propaganda films he made for the vietcong while he was a prisoner. You know, those films that are now classified and unavailable.

Posted by: Monk | October 9, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

ka at 10:35, speaking of violence, I heard Carvelle on CNN said if Obama is in the lead by 5 points on election day and comes out not winning…..we’ll be in for a real surprise (revolt?)….that would be scarey.

Posted by: Hope, Change, Hate, Nobama '08 | October 9, 2008, 11:37 pm 11:37 pm

John McCain was so ‘trained’ that he betrayed America and was so willing to record propaganda (over 30 tapes)that he was called ‘Songbird’ by the vietnamese.
John “Songbird” McCain is a traitor.

Posted by: JoeShmoe | October 9, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

From what we are seeing here in the Fort Stewart area where the 3rd ID is returning home, we are sorely understaffed when it comes to professionals trained to handle PTSD, and the effects it has on our heroes’ families. It’s unspoken around here. You won’t read about it in the papers. These towns economically depend on the Army, so they are not about to speak out of any problems…but you see it. We are seeing the effects in our juvenile courts and in our women’s shelters. In May, we had a “domestic issue” in our neighborhood that involved the swat team surrounding the house of a very recently returned soldier. My kids walk home from school and were all rerouted back to the school until an “all-safe” was issued. Thankfully, they talked him down and got him help. A shame it had to come to such desperate measures to get it. The next president is going to HAVE to find room in the budget to get more qualified help for our soldiers and their families.

Posted by: Amy T. | October 9, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm

Amy T and other above are absolutely correct. I have a relative that is a physician at a rural VA hospital in the midwest and he has been telling me for several years that the mental issues that many returning Iraq/Afghan veterans are being covered up and that we will be dealing with these problems for the next 2-3 generations.

Posted by: voter | October 10, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am

Thank you, Cindy, for those truly reprehensible remarks. Having been an 18 year-old draftee (I volunteered for the draft), who fought in Vietnam and Cambodia, I’ve always suspected your husband was a little out of touch with the ground combat soldier’s life. You certainly are.
It’s one thing to sit in a cell and make tape-recordings, but quite another to live and fight amidst the people you’re trying to help, and to watch your friends die when some of those same people betray you. War in all its complexities is never as simple as John McCain would have people believe, and for some of us it NEVER ends — no matter who cries, “Victory!”

Posted by: Brad A. | October 10, 2008, 12:19 am 12:19 am

Cindy McCain’s son Jimmy is a 19 year old lance corporal in the marines.
Cindy McCain’s 19 year old son a grunt was just in iraq for 7 months.
Cindy’s 19 year old son found out McCain won New Hampshire digging himself out of a ditch in Iraq.
Cindy slept with a cell phone attached to her wrist for 7 months while he was away.
Terrible job not mentioning that.
Imagine if Obama had a 19 year old son who had just came back from Iraq would we hear about that.

Posted by: Jeff | October 10, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am

To Appease This,
Cindy McCain’s 19 year old son was in Iraq.
For you to say he wasn’t in Iraq is a lie.
He served in Anbar Province for 7 months.
Obama lets a fly bother him. Cindy went around the country with a cell phone attached to her wrist.

Posted by: Jeff | October 10, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am

To Mara,
One of those 18 year old soldiers was Cindy McCain’s own son serving in Iraq.
To the person saying she is an elitist and can’t relate to young soldiers.
Her 19 year old son just came back from a 7 month tour in Iraq while Obama was playing poltiics.
Obama said he would vote for troop funding but didn’t to win over the far left.

Posted by: Jeff | October 10, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

Cindy McCain suggests her husband does not suffer from Post Traumatic Stress Disorder because men who enlist don’t get it and men who were drafted do.
So how does that explain our Iraq and Afghanistan vets? The ones John McCain has failed to support? That VoteVets and others have given a ‘D’ grade to? Is it any surprise McCain is involved with suppressing information about Vietnam POWs?
A cover-up of POW information, you ask. It’s true. John McCain helped do it. The question we need to ask him is just why …1973 is when the Hanoi peace treaty was signed in Paris. 1974 is the year where every known POW was turned over to the U.S.
Nixon and Kissinger were surprised by the ‘low’ number of POWs said to be held in Hanoi.
In 1992, there were hearings saying that there were prisoners missing from the list of names reported in 1973. Not quite 600 names were on the ‘treaty’ list.
“In the late 1970s and early 1980s, listening stations picked up messages in which Laotian military personnel spoke about moving American prisoners from one labor camp to another. ” Distress signals were picked up by NSA.
A woman named Dolores Alfond attended a 1992 committee meeting about the listening devices. “McCain attended that committee hearing specifically to confront Alfond because of her criticism of the panel’s work. He bellowed and berated her for quite a while. His face turning anger-pink, he accused her of “denigrating” his “patriotism.” The bullying had its effect—she began to cry.”
Hanoi suggested it was using other POWs as bargaining chips.
In 1991, the Pentagon started actively covering up any suggestion there were POWs left behind in Hanoi, despite the claim of up to over 1,200 soldiers on the list.
“John McCain—now campaigning for the White House as a war hero, maverick and straight shooter—owes the voters some explanations. …I have not found a single mention of his role in burying information about POWs. Television and radio news programs have been similarly silent….The only explanation McCain has ever offered for his leadership on legislation that seals POW files is that he believes the release of such information would only stir up fresh grief for the families of those who were never accounted for in Vietnam.” from a piece by Sydney H. Schanberg, The Nation. Since no broadcast or cable network has checked into all this.

Posted by: kravitz | October 10, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am

To Kravitz,
Cindy McCain’s 19 year old son is a veteran of the Iraq war.
Enough is enough trying to smear this lady.
She does great work with operation smile and dealing with landmines around the world.
We never hear anything postive.
Michelle Obama writes a radical thesis and says this is the first time she is ever proud of america and yet she gets posh article after posh article about her.
Michelle Obama said she would take the rebate money and buy earrings. No one in the media said anything.
This is unfair coverage.

Posted by: Dan | October 10, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am

To Kravitz,
McCain’s own 19 year old son served in Iraq and has friends who have been injured.
McCain has gone to Walter Reed dozens of times.
Obama went once and took the media with him.
McCain goes to walter reed for hours and rarely tells the media and has for years.
McCain tried to bring publicity to get better efforts for the troops.
McCain got Imus involved in Walter Reed.
McCain was a leader in the hearings about Walter Reed.

Posted by: Dan | October 10, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

To West Coast Messanger,
Smart people like Jim Johnson who used abuses practices at countrywide and took 25 million in a golden parachute.
Smart people like raines.
Smart people like general mcpeak Obama’s top military advisor who blamed the middle east mess on jews in new york and miami.
Smart people like Samantha Power.
Smart people like david axelrod who worked for the corrupt illinios governor.
Smart people like the cronyism that goes on at Michelle Obama’s hospital. Obama got a sweetheart mortgage deal from a board member at the hospital. Michelle Obama salary doubled after Obama got the hospital earmarks.
Smart people like axelrod who was brought into the hospital to kick people out of the ER room.
Smart people like Obama’s acorn. Obama said he would stand with Acorn.
Smart people like Obama who defended Jim Johnson.
Smart people like Obama who took Jesse Jackson’s orders and called for the justice department to help the Jenna 6 victims.

Posted by: David | October 10, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am

To West Coast Messanger:
Smart people like Michelle Obama who wouldn’t say if she could support Hillary if she won the nomination.
Amazing how people loved being used.

Posted by: West Coast Messanger | October 10, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am

I had a much higher opinion of Cindy McCain before she started opening her mouth.
Just as I had a much higher opinion of McCain before he went dirty with this campaign.
I come from a military family. Every one of us is either voting for Obama or against McCain.

Posted by: Katia | October 10, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am

To Katia:
Obama who says our soldiers are air raiding villages and killing civilians.
The taliban are the ones who go into villages and kill civilians and target our troops with rockets while using civilians as human shields in those villages.
Obama was courting the far left when he said that.
The dems are the ones who do everything they can to try and prevent the troops from voting.
Remember in Florida in 2000 dems wanted the votes of the troops thrown out on a technicality.

Posted by: Sam | October 10, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

McCain was a lowly student
and became a bad pilot and
lost or crashed 5 planes.
The fifth one was shot down
over North Vietnam.
He’s also computer-illiterate.

Posted by: anon | October 10, 2008, 2:40 am 2:40 am

To Sam:
where did you get this:
Obama who says our soldiers are air raiding villages and killing civilians.
I’m guessing you are taking this directly from the McCain campaing ad that was edited to give the American people the end of a sentence that Obama said in one of his speeches I suggest that you look up that quote ad listen to the word that came right before this quote to get the whole story but by the way you talk I know you won’t so I will give you the entire sentence and put it in the correct context that it was lifted from.
Barack Obama on the war in Afghanistan “We’ve got to get the job done there, and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians, which is causing enormous pressure over there.”
The key words that have been taken out of the statement in the McCain ad are “so that we’re not” which comes right before what McCain used.
My question for you is are you actually niave enough to think that we have not killed Afghan civilians in the air-raids that we have conducted in Afghanistan?
If this is the case why then did Defense Secretary Robert Gates apologize last month for U.S. airstrikes that have killed Afghan civilians?

Posted by: Josh | October 10, 2008, 4:31 am 4:31 am

All of this talk about McCains son serving in Iraq is nonsense.
What does Cindy McCain want Barack to send one of his daughters to the war,which one shound he send Malia who is 10 years old or maybe he should send Sasha his 7 year old.
It is absurd to suggest that any American does not support our troops.
It is also aburd that either because someone is rich or married to a U.S. Senator they can get away with a drug felony that they admit to, which is what happened to Cindy McCain.
It is also absurd to criticize a thesis for a sociology major who also received a certificate in African-American Studies from Princeton as racist because it basically studies whether or not African-American Princeton graduates become more or less motivated to benefit the African-American Community.
As for McCains son serving in Iraq I personally commend him, as I would all of our soldiers who have fought in this war.
I would however like to know was he injured or what is the reason he was only over there for 7 months if that is indeed the case as someone posted on here. Because I personaly know 2 guys that have been over there for 16 months and another guy who is now back after 14 months and they are all national guard members and McCain’s son is an enlisted member of the Marines. If anyone out there knows why James McCain’s stay in Iraq was relativly short compared to my buddies who have been there twice as long please let me know. I suspect it might be for the same reasons that Prince Harry was denied the opportunity to go.

Posted by: Josh | October 10, 2008, 5:14 am 5:14 am

The McCain’s have lived apart for years. Cindy only lived in D.C. a short time and fled back to Arizona. I doiubt she knows whether McCain has cold sweats.
Her assertion that officers are somehow immune to PTSD shows how little she knows. But I guess that only applies to those officers from Annapolis – even those who only graduated because of family legacy.

Posted by: Sandy | October 10, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

What the?!
Look, the Vietnam war was a nightmare. Many soldiers fought their enemies hand to hand in the forests, not far away shooting at specified targets. It’s no surprise if many of them are haunted by their memories of the war or guilt or nightmares. Veteran soldiers too can be traumatised. This does not demean their bravery or courage on the battlefield.
I don’t particularly like her comment, as though the eighteen year old soldiers were softer, you know, not as tough and kind of more namby pamby then good ol’ POW McCain. No one would ever think worse of him even if he woke up in the middle of the night in cold sweat often after he was released. He’s human, isn’t he?
Soldiers too, are simply human beings.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 10, 2008, 9:25 am 9:25 am

McCain did not disclose his ties to a Contra group
Does McCain have something to hide??????

Posted by: VanLear | October 10, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

It is safe to say that, just like her husband and his votes on veteran matters, Cindy McCain just doesn’t get it. She needs to go back to shopping for those $300,000 outfits and leave the discussion to someone who habituates the real world.

Posted by: MARTY | October 10, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

I have lost all respect for the McCains with the negative ads. He could have pulled himself out of this mess by being the McCain people were pulling for back in September. As for Cindy, when she stood on that stage and said chills went down her spine when Obama voted against money for the troops, but negleted to mention that her husband also voted against money for the troops for different reasons, I realized the “Country First” is not true. This campaign has become McCain win at any cost. Obama voted no because he wanted a time line included. When the time line was added, McCain voted no because he did not want time lines. All candidates should tell the truth, the whole truth and let the voters decide.

Posted by: nita | October 10, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am

So,
How does Cindy McCain explain aware his irrational behavior and the fact that her loving husband called her the most despicable term you can call a woman? Someone he supposedly loves. I am no prude and use profanity extensively (too much) but I would never utter that term to refer to any woman yet McCain says it to the woman he loves (in anger) in front of others. I have no respect for a man like that.

Posted by: indy_voter | October 10, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

Just remember to vote for OBAMA. We have to protect our troops and our security.

Posted by: Linda Byrd | October 10, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

She sounded like she thought all those 18-year-old draftees in Vietnam (some of whom were not fortunate enough to come back in one piece like McCain) did not know what they were doing. So that’s why they messed up so bad and have PTSD. Unlike the brave John “I AM A POW” McCain.
Doesn’t dwell on it? McCain responds to a remark by Biden how he’s so out og touch-he has to first decide whihc kitchen table in his 7 houses to tabulate his bills on: When I was in Vietnam, I didn’t have a table, a chair…
Bailout: I’m an old Navy pilot, I know in times of crises we need all hands on the deck.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 10, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

To Sam:
“In the most obscene chapter in recent American history is the conduct of the Kosovo conflict when the president of the United States refused to prepare for ground operations, refused to have air power used effectively because he wanted them flying — he had them flying at 15,000 feet where they killed innocent civilians because they were dropping bombs from such — in high altitude.”
Those are the words of John McCain in 2000.

Posted by: Ryan c | October 10, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

I lived through VietNam, lost many friends and a fiance….and let me tell you this fact…those that did come back and that I spoke to were so broken mentally that nothing could help the visions.
They killed women and children because they did not know who to trust, it was worse then any hell you could even imagine.
I protested VietNam, but never protested our soldiers doing their job.
But we were very ill equipped to handle the mental stress that this war (and others) have done to those who survived that hell.
If you have not lived it, then you will never know how you would feel being woke up in the middle of the night by someone who thinks you are the enemy.
That even a small clicking sound triggers something in them and sets them off in a cold sweat of fear.
We have yet in all these years, been able to address and solve the mental problems our soldiers face.
My brother just got back from Afghanistan and I will tell you this, he is not the same.
I have a brother-in-law in Iraq, soon to be gone a year now, I wonder how he will be when he gets home.
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: Bev | October 10, 2008, 12:24 pm 12:24 pm

fyi…Has she or her husband been questioned on the following? Seems McCain has more than few skeletons in his closet…
In 1989, Cindy McCain became addicted to Percocet and Vicodin, opioid painkillers, which she initially took to alleviate pain following two spinal surgeries for ruptured discs, and to ease emotional stress during the Keating Five affair. The addiction progressed to where she was taking upwards of twenty pills a day,[15] and she resorted to having an AVMT physician write illegal prescriptions in the names of three AVMT employees without their knowledge.In 1992, her parents staged an intervention to force her to get help; she told her husband about her problem, attended a drug treatment facility, began outpatient sessions, and ended her three years of addiction. Surgery in 1993 resolved her back pain.
In January 1993, Tom Gosinski, an AVMT employee, who had discovered her illegal drug use, was terminated on budgetary grounds. Subsequently, he tipped off the Drug Enforcement Administration, and a federal investigation ensued. McCain’s defense team, led by John McCain’s Keating Five lawyer John Dowd, secured an agreement with the U.S. Attorney’s office for McCain, a first-time offender, that avoided charges while requiring her to pay financial restitution, enroll in a diversion program and do community service.Meanwhile, in early 1994 Gosinski filed a wrongful termination lawsuit against McCain, which he told her he would settle for $250,000.In response, Dowd characterized this request as blackmail and requested that officials investigate Gosinski for extortion. In the end, both Gosinski’s lawsuit and the extortion investigation against him were dropped
Knowing that the DEA prosecutors were about to publicly disclose her past addiction, McCain preemptively revealed the story to reporters saying she was doing so willingly: “Although my conduct did not result in compromising any missions of AVMT, my actions were wrong, and I regret them

Posted by: indy_voter | October 10, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

McCain also has a gambling obsession. Google the NY Times story.

Posted by: Leslie | October 10, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

Leslie,
Interesting….McCain’s temper is also legendary….So, we have a person who loves to gamble, a raging temper that is enough to embarass his in public with vile remarks, a wife who was in trouble for drug problem that McCain helped go away, who used poor judgement in the Keating 5 scandal, and who admittedly committedly adultery with his current wife. Do we really know who John McCain. I have said all along McCain’s hands are not clean which makes current strategy of calling out Obama on Ayres all the more absurd. It could also explain why he hasn’t gone the extra step and brought up Wright.

Posted by: indy_voter | October 10, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm

I can’t believe those words came out of her mouth! What a disgrace. Dissing some of the 18 yr olds that were “drafted” during that time without choice, mind you, and sent straight into the front lines, for you no less.
It’s very difficult for me to believe your husband went through all of that torture and hasn’t suffered any problems mentally.
My cousin was a Viet Nam Vet. I’m proud to say he was a Green Beret. Just so you know CINDY, that is am “Elite Squad”. I’m quite sure he was better trained than your husband. My cousin did 3 tours in Nam, came home and committed suicide as a result of what we now know as PTSD.
I also have a very close friend that served in Nam as a Marine. He volunteered also at the age of 18, so yes, he was very well trained. He is now 62 yrs old. He still to this very day has nightmares from his tour in Viet Nam. He has a hard time going to funerals because every time he sees a casket all that comes to his mind is “black bags”.
I read a very interesting article about Mr. John McCain yesterday that was based on reports by some that were POW’s at the same time John was. Maybe you should read it, get a clue.
HA! According to the article, it’s mentioned “Dubya” was a better pilot than your husband. I have lost all the respect I’ve ever had for John McCain!
I now know what phonies the both of you are. You should be shipped off to live on an iceberg…. along with Palin.

Posted by: annie | October 10, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm

Does this woman ever think before she speaks?

Posted by: WeTakeManyPictures | October 10, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

What can you expect from an ultra rich spoiled druggie brat, who slept with a then married to someone else man, John McCain, of few principles. McCain didn’t have the stomach to be a ground pounder, but had no problem killing hundreds of woman and children from the air. Talk to some of his Academy classmates, had McCain’s dad and grandfather not been ranking Admirals, John boy would have never been admitted to the Academy let alone a graduate and Navy pilot. Not sure what John boy gets his service connected disability for, PTSD or ? But my sources tell me he does receive a monthly disability checks; and his hate mongering campaign confirms that he is indeed disabled and not fit for duty.

Posted by: dcitizen | October 10, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Oh my goodness,,,she didn’t think before she spoke! My heart goes out to all these brave troops who have seen hell and have to relive it over and over again. May they all get the help they DESERVE without having to fight the government. Cindy, you owe them all an apology.

Posted by: RO | October 10, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

When did Cindy become an expert on PTSD?I’m a veteran,I’ve seen many accidents, death;and near death trauma,and as a young soldier I was able to cope,and function without strong repercussions. As an older civilian ,I witnessed a young girl get run over by a bus and die in the streets, and I got hit by an erratic taxicab;these are the sources of why I now have PTSD.My youth actually was when I,personally was more resilient.

Posted by: lars siler | October 11, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

I served in the Marines. I will say
I did not fight for this country to have a low- life like Cindy McCain
denigrate my service! John McCain is playing politics for his OWN personal gain! He has shamed my service to this nation by running a dishonorable campaign. He comsistently votes AGAINST
increasing veterans benefits, yet has NO problem giving billions to oil companies and the filthy rich. John McCain deserves a DISHONORABLE discharge
from the American people in November, for running a DISHONORABLE campaign!

Posted by: Jack | October 11, 2008, 8:23 am 8:23 am

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