Face-off: Sarah Palin v. Jill Biden – Who’s the Bigger Hockey Mom?

Reading William Ayers’ book “A Kind and Just Parent.” It reads just like Obama’s books. William Ayers is an excellent ghost writer for Obama, as he had plenty of practice hiding from the FBI for 10 years with Bernadine Dohrn. Obama should have to take a quiz about what he wrote, because he definately didn’t write it. Bill Ayers wrote his books!

Pennsylvania Gov Ed Rendell will never let this state go RED! So THIS RACE IS OVER! OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

Colonel Reb,
Give it a break, will you? The more people like you “theorize” about things, the more idiotic you are to people who THINK about things.

Colonel Reb,
Read good conspiracy sites much?
You guys crack me up.
What next? Obama was actually the shooter in the grassy knoll?

Factcheck.org just did a piece on the Ayers story. Here’s the conclusion:
“Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama’s interactions with him. We’re making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never ‘lied’ about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly ‘radical.’ And Ayers is more than a former ‘terrorist,’ he’s also a well-known figure in the field of education.”
I recommend that people go and read the full analysis on their webside. It is quite enlightening.

Radicalran,
Sure it was Carter. And it took 30 years for it to catch up with us. Uh, right.
The SEC deregulation that occured in 2004 that allowed 5 banks to lend at 40:1 loan to withholdings instead of the 12:1 ratio they previously maintained was they key to today’s crisis.
They had too much capital lying around and started lending to unqualified borrowers. When the housing market crashed, defaults started coming back to them.
And guess which 5 mega banks just collapsed?
The same 5 that were deregulated in 2004.
And who was in charge in 2004?
Republican Congress, Republican President.
Nice try though

Reb,
Seriously, the “IhateObama” website is not the most credible place to get your information.
Let me clue you in on something we adults already know: Just because you read it on the internet, doesn’t make it true.
Now instead of inuendo and false accusations, why don’t you go back to your homework.

Jill Biden is a much better WOMAN then that fraud lying pitbull with lipstick anyday no comparision at least Jill Biden doesnt go around stirring up hate anger and fear! oh and by the way everyone is right about Palin and her abusing her power SHE IS BUSH IN A SKIRT AND CHENY WITH LIPSTICK! MICHELLE/JILL/OBAMA/BIDEN08

colonel reb
libs just want the last 8 years of lies and spin to stop
you obviously are part of that.

Colonel reb
I believe you need to go blog on the “I believe everything that the GOP feeds me website” I believe most people here at this site are more enlightened.
Sorry!
NO MCCAIN/PALIN

Wonder how the Parrot will be received in Philly?
I’ve been to a couple Flyers games. It’s a brutal crowd for their opponents.
And Philly is not exactly a bastion for neo-conservatives.
Given the recent news, it could get ugly.

Jill Biden=pro choice, another woman who believes in killing their young. I am not into “death culture”. I am into LIFE. We love you Sarah, just as you love us.

I thought Palin was a socker mom. What the puck is she doing at a hockey game? Looking for Joe six-pack? Maybe she should try a rodeo. She’d fit right in with all the bull(s).

Palin believes in the culture of life. What is that? Keeping the fetus alive so they can go to war at 18 and be slaughtered for money and oil.What happened to the churches standing up against war and death.Organised religious leader should be ashamed that they have not denounced the murder in Iraq. By the way, does Palin think any of the Afghan or Iraqi women could have had fetuses growing inside of them when they were bombed by our military. I guess the only worthwhile embryo is an American embryo.

Isn’t it so american of us to take a non-story and turn it into political wrangling. We don’t know when to stop, do we?
Obama/Biden 08

Who really cares? At least Mrs. Biden is a teacher, didn’t flunk out of college, and when it comes to supportin a team Alaska doesn’t even have a HOCKEY TEAM.

Rose: And what planet are you on. Being a governor is a higher position than a teacher. Teacher’s are a dime a dozen. And many of the teacher’s should be taking their test over again. That statement came from Mayor Daley over a year ago because of the abundance of failures. Many years ago some of the college students couldn’t pass their tests.

proudfeministliberal: So your saying you believe in abortion. And if your were pregnant you would abort your child. Your mother didn’t abort you but maybe she should have. Your ideas that every child shouldn’t live is not what God believes. If mother’s aborted their children everytime they were pregnant we wouldn’t be here today. Jesus loves all the little children of the world and that means no matter if they are born perfect or not. Who are we to judge what child should live or die.

God doesnt believe in adultery either, but that sure didnt stop John McCain to fornicate with Cindy while married to Carol.

Dumb = fast eddy and the crooked pennyslvania democrats who are all lawyered up over Bonusgate.
I notice its fine if fast eddy calls names. Just make sure republicans be quiet and don’t start any trouble. Right ABC?

Don’t people realize that all the problems in this world come from overpopulation? Too many people in too little space with too few natural resources. Global warming? Just get rid of 90% of the people, we can burn 90% less fuel and have 90% less warming.
China really understood this and went to a one child policy. We should do the same. Not only should abortion be legal, it should be required! Save the earth, reduce population!
Vote Ron Paul!

Rendell thinks its “dumb” to talk about “something that happened when Obama was 8 years old”? Right. Except, the point isn’t what Ayers did then, its what Ayers believes and teaches and condones since then and why Obama is okay with that and when Obama knew about what Ayers did all those years ago and how many versions of this particular truth Obama is going to tell before all is said and done. Kinda like the many versions of “who my pastor is and what I knew about how he thinks” he told before flinging Wright under the bus.
And Rendell knows perfectly well that McCain has also been spelling out common-sense financial proposals like suspending the IRA withdrawal rules all week, only to have that part of his message ignored by the Democrats like Rendell AND by the media. That’s what’s DUMB, Mr. Rendell.

I have steered clear of saying anything about Palin’s family, or what I think of her daughter’s pregnancy, probably unwise marriage to the boy, and so on because I prefer to leave them off limits.
I do NOT approve of hunting wolves or any other wildlife from airplanes! It takes a real low-life to do that. Sarah not only does it but encourages others to do so. I’ve hunted, and butchered animals, both game and domestic, so don’t think I see all wildlife as “Bambi”.
I’ve met the Biden family and visited with them and listened to both Jill and Joe speak several times, met with Beau, and watched them all interact with others. Jill has a lot of class and is a sweetheart. I know enough about she and her life to see her as a far better role model than Sarah Palin.

The people of Pennsylvania are too smart and love this country too much
to let McCain and Palin the White House
using hate and fear.
We have had 7 years of this administration playing on hate and fear.

Bernadine Dohrn?
oh you mean Michelle Robinson’s co-worker at that law firm?
(before she became Michlle Robinson-Obama and then Michelle Obama)

Here is the conclusion from factcheck.org. There is much more if you care to go and read it, instead of repeating endless McCain/Palin talking points that have no basis in fact. Obama has been continually misquoted by them in their pathetic attempt to change the subject from the economy.
Conclusion
Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama’s interactions with him. We’re making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never “lied” about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly “radical.” And Ayers is more than a former “terrorist,” he’s also a well-known figure in the field of education.
– by Viveca Novak and Brooks Jackson

There are many people from the hippie era, and anti-war movement that did crazy things. most of them were whites just like Ayers.
They cut their long hair, took off the free love t-shirts, and became college professors, doctors, lawyers or business executives.
How many of you people talking foolish about this Ayers connection, have run a background check, or done research on your teacher, doctor, friends of your parents, teacher or college professor, who were around during the anti-war, free love, hippie era????
You may be guilty of paling around with a terrorist.
Senator Obama sat on a charity board run by an ambassador that Ronald Reagan appointed and this Ayers just happen to be on the same board.
Why did’nt the republican ambassador say something to get Ayers off that board if he were so bad??
How many of you reading this have someone you know, maybe a neighbor, co-worker, friend, or aquaintance, that you had lunch with, did you a favor, or went to a cookout, or christmas party, etc.
How many of you ran a background check, or did research, into the past life of those people before you got together with them???
That hippie era was a long time ago and the information as to Ayers past life as a hippie was not written on Ayers forehead. He pass the clearence of the state school board to become a University professor.
I know people in my mahjong club, who tell stories about their efforts, or their illegal efforts (terrorist) of their parents, to try and keep blacks out of the neighborhood.
My friend husband said years ago he and friends would deliberately call in (possible more)terrorist threats, when the government tried to intergrate schools.
They objected to the U.S. government wanting to intergrate.
Today, the person who did that is a respected surgeon, should he lose his job or not be allowed to practice medicine??? If he can save the life of you or your child should he not be allowed, because he made terrorist threats to the government and may have carried a couple of them out.
Senator Obama is a good, decent American christian (I wish he was Jewish like me) and he deserves to become President and try to change things for the better.

Jill Biden and Michelle Obama are far more educated and far more intelligent that Sarah Palin.
Palin is like a no brain seductress, who knows how to charm her way into things with smiles, cute little air headed zingers, and winks.
Jill Biden and Michelle Obama do not need to dink to that level because they really are smart, informed, and classy.

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Did Biden Get It Wrong? You Betcha
Monday, October 06, 2008
By John R. Lott, Jr.
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When you interview for a job, here is a hint: make sure you know what the job is. Joe Biden failed that test last Thursday. He couldn’t even get right what a vice president does, but the media didn’t notice.
The media is all over itself about how smart and experienced Biden is. Political analyst Charlie Cook is quoted in the Washington Post on Saturday as saying “Biden is clearly so much more knowledgeable, by a factor of about a million.” Saturday Night Live does a skit about Biden being smart, if slimy. Meanwhile, Governor Sarah Palin is treated as being nothing more than a simpleton.
Yet, take Biden’s statement from the debate on the role of the vice president:
Vice President Cheney has been the most dangerous vice president we’ve had probably in American history. The idea he doesn’t realize that Article I of the Constitution defines the role of the vice president of the United States, that’s the Executive Branch. He works in the Executive Branch. He should understand that. Everyone should understand that.
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The only authority the vice president has from the legislative standpoint is the vote, only when there is a tie vote. He has no authority relative to the Congress. The idea he’s part of the Legislative Branch is a bizarre notion invented by Cheney to aggrandize the power of a unitary executive, and look where it has gotten us. It has been very dangerous.
One should be careful when throwing around terms such as “most dangerous” and “bizarre.” But Biden is confusing which part of the Constitution covers the Executive Branch (it is Article II, not Article I). More importantly, the notion that the vice president can preside over the Senate only when there is a tie vote is simply wrong. Nor is it true that the only legislative involvement the vice president has is to break tie votes. The vice president is the president of the Senate, where he interprets the rules and can only be overridden by a vote of 60 senators.
Early vice presidents spent a lot of time in the Senate. Thomas Jefferson even spent his time writing “A Manual of Parliamentary Practice: for the Use of the Senate of the United States.” Modern vice presidents may show up only when they think tie votes will occur, but that is their choice.
This isn’t rocket science. The Constitution on this point is very straightforward: “The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.”
Instead, it was Palin who got it right. Besides correctly stating that the vice president holds positions in both the executive and legislative branches, she also noted that:
Of course, we know what a vice president does. And that’s not only to preside over the Senate and [I] will take that position very seriously also. I’m thankful the Constitution would allow a bit more authority given to the vice president if that vice president so chooses to exert it in working with the Senate and making sure that we are supportive of the president’s policies and making sure too that our president understands what our strengths are.
But just as the vice president’s job includes more than simply being ready to assume the presidency if the president dies, the Constitution merely states what the vice president’s minimum responsibilities are.
Compare the uproar over Palin’s answer to Charlie Gibson about the “Bush Doctrine,” a doctrine that Gibson clearly didn’t understand and for which there apparently exist at least four different versions. Where is the outrage over Biden not understanding what vice presidents do? For Biden, his inability to correctly say what vice presidents do was surely his “gotcha” moment.
Yet, this mistake during the debate was hardly unique. Biden got a lot of things wrong in the debate that are going unnoticed by the fact-check media. Take just a few:
– Will McCain’s health care proposals raise taxes? Biden says that McCain’s proposal will cost people money. The Tax Foundation finds that could easily be “roughly deficit-neutral over ten years.”
– Under an Obama Administration the middle class will “pay no more than they did under Ronald Reagan”? No, the tax rates will be similar to the higher rates under Clinton.
– Did “we spend more money in three weeks on combat in Iraq than we spent on the entirety of the last seven years that we have been in Afghanistan building that country”? No, one year’s worth of spending in Iraq equaled five in Afghanistan.
– France and the U.S. “kicked Hezbollah out of Lebanon”? No, and it wouldn’t have made much more sense if he had said “Syria” instead.
– Is it really “simply not true” that Obama said that he would meet with the leader of countries such as Iran without preconditions? No, Obama said “I would.”
– Did Obama warn against letting Hamas participate in Palestinian legislative elections in 2005? No.
– Do “Iraqis have an $80 billion surplus”? No. If oil prices had remained high, it might have reached $50 billion by the end of this year.
– Finally, an amusing point as evidence that Biden is just one of the people he pointed to, inviting anyone to have a beer with him at “Katie’s Restaurant” in Wilmington, Del. Unfortunately, people will have a hard time taking him up on his offer, since the restaurant hasn’t had that name for probably 15 years.
Unfortunately, voters who are trying to get an accurate count on whether the candidates are telling the truth can’t rely on the media. FactCheck.org mentions only one of these points, the size of the Iraqi surplus. The Washington Post mentioned Biden’s misstatement on Hamas and Katie’s restaurant. AOL’s coverage of the errors in the vice presidential debate was by far the worst, though that might not be too surprising given that Tommy Christopher, who wrote their news analysis, also blogs on the Obama Web site. None of these checkers mentioned Biden’s statements about the role of the vice president.
Compare this to the attacks on Sarah Palin:
– FactCheck.org criticizes Palin for claiming that McCain’s health care tax credits will be “budget neutral” – they argue that the tax credit will be larger than the new taxes that the program will impose. Fine, but if the people at FactCheck.org believe that is true and that the Tax Foundation is wrong, Biden’s claim about increased taxes is even more inaccurate. But FactCheck.org doesn’t even mention Biden’s statement from the debate.
– From AOL’s news analysis piece. “Palin: Said that it is untrue that the U.S. is killing civilians in Afghanistan. According to an analysis by the AP, however, the U.S. is killing more civilians than insurgents are.”
What Palin actually said was: “Now, Barack Obama had said that all we’re doing in Afghanistan is air-raiding villages and killing civilians.” Whether one believes the AP estimate or not, the question is whether she was accurately characterizing Obama’s statement of the job that our forces were doing. And Obama said, “We’ve got to get the job done there and that requires us to have enough troops so that we’re not just air-raiding villages and killing civilians” (emphasis added).
– FactCheck.org’s first critique claims that Palin was wrong to claim that troop levels in Iraq are down to their pre-surge levels. They are correct that after the recently announced drawdown, 6,000 more troops will be in Iraq than immediately before the surge. But why not mention that 84 percent of the 38,000 troops in the surge are home or are in the process of coming home?
The media seems to have been covering for Biden for some time. While news stories still talk about Dan Quayle’s spelling mistake 18 years later, there has been almost no news coverage of Biden’s numerous wacky statements. What if Quayle had said something similar to Biden’s recent statement that, “When the stock market crashed, Franklin D. Roosevelt got on the television and didn’t just talk about the, you know, the princes of greed. He said, ‘Look, here’s what happened.’” A neat trick given that Herbert Hoover was president in 1929 and no one was watching television.
It might not fit the simple template for a 36-year veteran of the Senate to not understand what vice presidents do (after all, eight vice presidents have served with him), but Biden knew less about this than the political outsider, Sarah Palin. Given that they are running to be vice president, why didn’t that story dominate the news coverage after the debate?
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Some of youmight want to go to Fox News and read article by the author below Entitled” Did Biden get it wrong-you betcha? ABCwould not let me post the article. Talk about Bias! And this is not SPAM.
John Lott is the author of Freedomnomics and a senior research scholar at the University of Maryland.

When someone says the only thing that makes her different from a pitbull is the lipstick….we should remember that some cities / counties in the US do not allow pitbulls to reside (without sometimes special permission) very often due to socialization problems. I believe that is the problem with the Governor of Alaska…she has not been socialized with others…to learn to work with other people as dogs learn to work with each other in the pack. Please take her back home to her cage.

It is so sad that so many people believe that Obama/Biden is the winning ticket.They are blinded by the superficial hoopla….so very sad…..