Oct 15, 2008 9:01pm
Final Debate About to Start, Nikkei Down More Than 10 Percent
HEMPSTEAD, N.Y. — The benchmark Nikkei 225 stock average nose-dived a staggering 986 points, or 10 percent, to 8,562 Thursday, AP reports.
The Dow plunged 7.8 percent earlier today.
CBS’ Bob Schieffer just came out to talk to the crowd here at Hofstra University.
Talk to you later on "Nightline," "Good Morning America," and here on the blog, of course.
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Wonder if either candidate remembers the bipartisan committee headed by Pat Moynihan who came up with a list of recommendations to “fix” social security? And would either candidate adopt any or all of those recommendations?
Posted by: Patty | October 15, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
Please deal with concrete issues that are relevant to the voting, tax-paying citizens of this great nation!
I expect the moderator of this presidential debate to guide this precious time to meaningful information relevant to the voters of America. If the moderator and the network fail to do this, then I have no need for the network!
Posted by: Judith H. Konen | October 15, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm
Obama is talking in circles tonight.
Posted by: tom | October 15, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm
Great article on RCP.. here is an excerpt.
“What makes ACORN particularly embarrassing for Obama is that he used to be one of them. He served as general counsel for ACORN in Illinois, channeled millions to the organization from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (whose funds he distributed), and has lately spent $800,000 of his campaign money to subsidize the group’s activities. For this emolument, ACORN has registered voters 15 times over, canvassed the graveyards for votes and prepared to commit electoral fraud on a massive scale.”
ACORN will bring Obama down. Amen.
Posted by: ml | October 15, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm
As in prior debates, McCain refuses to let Obama have the last word. On both questions so far where Obama went second, McCain interrupted Schieffer as he was trying to go to the next question and insisted on a final rebuttal. It is so rude, and I have yet to see any of the moderators call him on it in any of the debates. Why won’t you report on this, Jake?
Schieffer just asked about climate change, and McCain goes first – let’s see if McCain butts in at the end again.
Posted by: Rick | October 15, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm
McCain looks like he’s about to blow.
Posted by: annie | October 15, 2008, 9:54 pm 9:54 pm
Oops, the question was on foreign oil dependency, not climate change (I was too distracted by typing). McCain went first, so Obama should have gotten the final rebuttal. Obama’s making his final argument right now, so let’s see….will McCain butt in? ….waiting ….waiting ….DOH, he butts in again!
Posted by: Rick | October 15, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm
McCain is diggin the biggest whole for hisself.
Posted by: Anonymous | October 15, 2008, 10:00 pm 10:00 pm
I want to hear about Obama’s stand on abortion, partial-birth abortion and why he voted against the “Born Alive” act!
Posted by: Michael Beard | October 15, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm
Obama.. is keeping his poser.. however McCain is going deeper in his butt!!!
He is the one is slandering the politics.
Posted by: Sheryl | October 15, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm
I can’t believe what I am watching. McCain hasn’t answered one question directly,his only concern is to be arrogant and hostile towards Obama. MCain looks as if he is ready to explode. It is as if he is senile and can’t function anymore. Once again, Obama is conducting himself with dignity and won’t fall into the trap of lowering himself to McCain’s level.
Obama lists answers to each question, while McCain just repeats himself again and again.
Posted by: Annette | October 15, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm
I loved how Mccain brought up all the negative commercial’s trying to blame Obama… When everytime i’m watching t.v a negative ad is on about Obama and it’s approved by Mccain. The only time i see Obama ad’s is when he has to defend himself.
Posted by: Nichole | October 15, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
First of all, i want to say, McCain, the man is old, give him water to drink! How can he sit down and lie about someone sitting right next to you? Joe the plumber is clearly what McCain thinks his saving grace is. He’s what his whole campaign is about and what will, by the grace of his god, will bring him into office. Well, I AM NOT JOE!! Nor are the rest of the people in the world. Shut up about Joe the plumber, idiot. Enough with the personal jabs, McCain, its getting old, you keep speaking in circles, and its not a good look, CAUSE YOU’RE ALREADY LOSING. Stop digging the hole….for yourself… And stop looking at Obama like you’re going to burn through his pen and pad with your eyes, and look at us, the American people.
Posted by: Amy Liman | October 15, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm
As a republican I must say that the reason this man will loose John McCain is becouse is is just runnig a very negative campaing in history, The man looks confuse tonight. Barack/Biden will win this election.
Posted by: Justin | October 15, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm
I agree Barack Obama won this debate, John will be history after tonigh.
Posted by: Jess | October 15, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
I agree. McCain comes off angry and rude. I don’t think it’s a great act. He comes off negative. Obama’s doing great. He’s on the issues and not too agressive.
Obama/Biden08
Posted by: Vanessa | October 15, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
OBAMA WINS AGAIN!!!
Posted by: Mike-Pa | October 15, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm
Obama wins hands down.
Posted by: Jeff Skyler | October 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
Abortion question – McCain twice referred to “helping young (pregnant) women with their difficult decision” He does not mention that his “help” will be to take that decision away. Big Brother Government will make that decision for them by overturning Roe v. Wade.
Posted by: Rick | October 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
NEWS FLASH
Obama Gets Taken To School (again, for a third time).
McCain/Palin 08
The Rational Choice
Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
McCain looks and act angry. This man trully lost it.
Posted by: Daniel | October 15, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm
McCain lost again, again and again.
Thank Sarah Palin for this….
Posted by: Janetc@aol.com | October 15, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
Emm wrote:
NEWS FLASH
Obama Gets Taken To School (again, for a third time).
McCain/Palin 08
The Rational Choice
__________________________________
Are you nuts!!1 I am a republican and I cant tell you this McCain lost again. He looks angy..
Posted by: Bill | October 15, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm
Wow, what a nasty old man. Not very presidential.
Posted by: annie | October 15, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm
they are all talking alot but if the house and senate are not behind them they will get nothing done
Posted by: ginger | October 15, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm
McCain just implied that Palin “knows more than most people” about Autism. Does he realize that her baby has Down Syndrome, not Autism. Does he know the difference? I guess I should cut him a break – these afflictions probably had not been diagnosed yet when McCain had kids.
And once again he butts in with an incoherent remark at the end. What a jerk! He reminds me of Wallace from the Wallace and Gromit series. CHEESE!!!
Posted by: Rick | October 15, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
Obama will win, Macain is just a lier, he must get retired. Has no good memory and cant talk correct, how he will be president, He mention S. Palain is the only women will take care of outism kids,???? what????. there is million of American Ladies has better feeling for kids, S Palain. Obama will win he is smart and a good person thinks about all American. Thanks
Posted by: Erwin | October 15, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm
OMG, Obama won that hands down! Did anyone else think McCain looked demented? What was with his blinking his eyes a hundred times a minute? And that eerie smile. Obama looked presidential, and trustworthy, and Mccain simply looked, sadly, old and worn out.
Posted by: JJ | October 15, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm
How come McCain keeps talking about how much Palin knows about Autism? Her child has Down Syndrome.
Posted by: Chris | October 15, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm
McCain WON THIS ONE. Obama acted like a two year old having a fit. I think someone should of packed him a binky for this debate.
Posted by: Honeybear | October 15, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
Doubtful, Bill. As a Republican or any other open minded person, you can’t say that McCain didn’t very clearly keep on top of every question. His “anger” was actually a mature way of showing the American people that this schoolboy can no longer smooth talk his way out of everything.
Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm
honeybear, how did Obama act like a 2 year old. He was cool calm and collected.
Posted by: Just Wondering | October 15, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm
Oh man. McCain screwd up. Even FOXNEWS said Obama won. Their focus group went overly for Obama.
Posted by: Vanessa | October 15, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm
JJ
I thought McCain looked demented among other things. He chose to whin about what John Lewis said about his race-baitng tactics along with how he has been attacked in Obama ads. If he can’t take the heat (that he so readily gives off himself) he should get out of the kitchen. His focus on the issues was practically non-existent.
Posted by: Lori | October 15, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
CNN focus also choses Obama as the clear winner.
Posted by: Vanessa | October 15, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm
Chris, hon, Sarah Palin’s sister has a child with autism. That’s what McCain was referring to.
Posted by: moderate | October 15, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
No news, all the things we heard before.
- McCain aggressive, sarcastic, same message, didn’t wipes any …
- Obama, cool, cautious, same message, didn’t have his … wiped.
Joe the Plumber gimmick won’t work. Ask yourself.. how many of us are making 250.000 ???
I know some people who makes 250.000 and they care more about the recession than the taxcut. They rather have the Clinton years back then the Bush years.
According to CBS 53% Obama won the debate… Surprising, thought it was a tie..
With the economy still in mess, Dow plunging again, Obama will win.
Posted by: CLabs | October 15, 2008, 10:59 pm 10:59 pm
Emm – McCain was taken to school – for the third time – on how to act and look presidential.
Posted by: Shauna | October 15, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
You said it, Concerned. Heck, we won’t even have to work anymore since Obama wants to spread the wealth around.
Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
“McCain was taken to school – for the third time – on how to act and look presidential.”
Actually, he looked more serious and assured the American people that he’s the type of leader we need.
Smilin’ O smirked every time Sen. McCain called him on one of his lies.
Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm
Obama clearly favors even bigger government and more federal spending. Let’s face it, he’s basically a socialist. How could America possibly pay for an even more bloated government than it already has – especially after Obama would be driving more businesses overseas with the higher taxes he proposes and with a looming recession? Also, Obama may be a smooth talker, but he’s not smooth enough to dispel the long shadow cast by all of his shady associates that he’s palled around with for years – Jeremiah Wright, Tony Rezko, Raila Odinga, William Ayers, etc. If America should ever be so foolish to choose Obama, it would be an unmitigated disaster – one from which she will likely never recover. Obama is THAT bad.
Posted by: petee | October 15, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm
i still fill aboma will when the election. because mccain is just putting aboma down in any way that he can. this is why i know aboma is the best candidate
Posted by: sara | October 15, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm
Sorry, but I find McCain’s snarky grin and general deportment just plain creepy. The split screen did him no favors.
Posted by: Shauna | October 15, 2008, 11:15 pm 11:15 pm
Yikes, I just wrote a long post about the debate and it disappeared when my DSL failed temporarily. Dang it.
Short version– McCain did a marvelous job. I do not expect the talking heads on the cable news shows to agree and I hope that Americans will think for themselves and not be swayed by the analysts.
McCain got the better of Obama on education, on their economic programs, on Obama’s love of throwing money at every problem. He warned people effectively not to be snowed by Obama’s pretty words, but to look at precisely what Obama says, and more importantly, doesn’t say.
I thought Obama looked smug much of the time. He was dull, but then I often find him dull. He ran around the questions even more than McCain did. And he still won’t admit that he has to scale back his spending plans. If he is not going to do so, I guess I had better be prepared to get really soaked by his new tax plan. Sigh.
I wish we could have had a little foreign policy thrown in (okay, we got some free trade talk, which was another area where McCain did very well) to balance out the fact that the first debate wound up being a hybrid instead of the all-foreign policy debate it was originally scheduled to be. besides, Schieffer asked great questions and i would like to have heard what he would have come up with in the foreign policy field– doubtless something more interesting than “Iraq-Iran-Afghanistan” what would you do different?
Posted by: moderate | October 15, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm
I can’t believe people are falling for O’s idea of spreading the wealth. Might as well kiss that Friday night movie goodbye, or that Sunday afternoon pro football game, or having a soda at your local mom and pop shop. Why?
Because all the movie stars and sports players are going to have to jack up their contracts to adjust to their new jacked up taxes, which trickles down to you paying higher prices for tickets. And the mom and pop shops won’t be able to expand because once they hit the limit, their new “spread the wealth” taxes will cut more of their profit than when they were still small.
McCain/Palin 08
The Rational Choice
Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm
McCain seemed like he was seething underneath. I don’t trust this man. His finger would be too close to the nuclear button while the state of his mental health is too close to being volatile and erratic.
Posted by: cyndi | October 15, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm
Obama voted against the Born Alive Act because a similiar law already existed. He said tonight, doctors cannot abandon their Hipocratic oath if they do not provide care for the baby.
Posted by: Rev. Ike | October 15, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
Good grief, the spin here is phenomenal. Even my spouse is a die-hard Obama backer and an Obama delegate, and she clearly saw this as a win for McCain. There was no other way to see it. McCain landed blow after blow and Obama, the wonk, was left sputtering, and successful managed to induce sleep in the TV audience. Obama says that our time has come. Apparently our time is going to be sleepy time.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | October 15, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
“i still fill aboma will when the election. because mccain is just putting aboma down in any way that he can. this is why i know aboma is the best candidate”
Jake, isn’t there a minimum age rule on this site? This makes absolutely no sense.
Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm
Cyndi,
By the way, we all see through the transparent age-based hate messaging associate with your “erratic” attack spin. Please do keep it up, you and Obama deserve each other.
Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | October 15, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
You said it, Westcoast. Apparently, all the Dembots have fled the post once they ran out of “Ew, his face looks creepy, and he’s got his finger on the button” excuses. No mention of how lame Obama was at convincing American that his utopian ideas would work.
Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 11:27 pm 11:27 pm
You forgot one more, Concerned. Obama’s idea about having people do community service like the military or Peace Corps (the glamorous sounding jobs at the top, but would include street sweeping and trash collecting as well). Yeh, it’s called communism.
Posted by: Emm | October 15, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Keep up, people. You do not have to have an autistic child yourself to know about the toll autism takes on the entire family. The Palins know that because her sister has an autistic child. McCain knows that. He was not saying Sarah Palin’s son has autism.
Obama flat out lied when he said that he did not start his political career in the Ayers’s living room. He did. It’s that simple. Why bother to lie about that? That’s what worried me most about Obama. He lies with such conviction.
And with all that money he has to spend on deceptive ads between now and Nov. 4, we are in trouble. Where did the money come from? He broke his promise to take public financing. He then collected millions that he claimed came from small donors, but a big chunk of that has been shown to have come from suspicious donations with fake names.
I hope McCain keeps hammering about the income redistribution that is a cornerstone of Obama’s political philosophy. Shouldn’t he have mentioned that giving the 40% of American families who do not pay any income taxes a “tax cut” is not really a tax cut, but a welfare payment?
Posted by: GetReal | October 15, 2008, 11:33 pm 11:33 pm
Somethings coming….very soon…my gut says it. Prepare. Something scared the hell out of the world market today. Something we don’t know about.
Posted by: kennedy | October 15, 2008, 11:35 pm 11:35 pm
Amy L, your post is one of the reasons I could never bear to be a politician. In previous debates, people kept complaining that McCain never looked at Obama. I didn’t see what the big deal was. So he looked at the audience, or the moderator, more than he looked at his opponent. Big whoop. But apparently McCain’s people listened. So tonight Big Mac fixed his gaze on The One. And what happens? Someone posts a complaint that McCain should look at the audience instead of staring at Obama. Good grief!
By the way, I think McCain was looking at Obama because he was flabbergasted that Obama could make some of those statements with a straight face. Obama could give Bill Clinton lessons on creative truth-stretching. And that’s saying a lot.
Posted by: moderate | October 15, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Obama – lawyered for and helped fund the fradulent ACORN – took huge amounts of cash from Freddie Mac and Fannie May – still unrepentant in opposing the surge in Iraq – pals around with MANY sketchy characters who disdain America – his wife has all but disappeared since her “never been proud of America” statement. PHEW! This guy is TOO much!!!
Posted by: petee | October 15, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm
Concerned in Ohio– you are fabulous! You’re not really Joe the Plumber, are you? Keep up the good work.
Glad to see some of you agree that McCain acquitted himself well tonight.
Posted by: moderate | October 15, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
. . . THE DEBATE
McCain had finally had enough of Obama being given a pass. Obama was left in the dust.
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Posted by: Billw | October 15, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm
The election is over for me – We are SO DISGUSTED with the Democrats that for the first time in my adult life, I voted REPUBLICAN all the way …
From national to local …
If Obama wins, America, your country is run by the 3 STOOGES, OBAMA, PELOSI AND OBAMA … with no REPUBLICAN majority in Congress.
And you have a CORRUPT CONGRESS – with Barney who has a male partner in Fannie Mae, Dodd, the highest recipient of funds from Fannie Mae and a sweetheart deal from CountryWide, and you have Obama as the 2nd highest recipient of donations from Fannie Mae. You have a president with ties to ACORN, REV WRIGHT, AYERS, JOHNSON … YOU NAME IT …
GOOD THINKING AMERICA … WHAT A NATION OF PINHEADS …
Posted by: ANationOfPinheads | October 15, 2008, 11:47 pm 11:47 pm
Obama looked cool..yes, he always is …because that is what con artists do!
He shows no emotions only sarcastic laughs and that scares me more.
After finishing reading his first book, I am almost sure that this guy is not what he wants us to believe.
I run away from socialism from my country to live the American dream which I have done it in the last 25 years. I’ve never thought that socialism can follow me to America. Obama uses “key words” that most socialist use…I know them, I once was a socialist myself. Too sad to see Americans are falling for it. Ayn Rand is rolling over in her grave!
Frieda
Posted by: Frieda | October 15, 2008, 11:48 pm 11:48 pm
You guys may want to put your election rambling on hold and look at what’s happening to the markets. A couple bad days and there may not be an election. It’s called by Mr. Buffet…the ticking time bomb.
Posted by: kennedy | October 15, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm
.
WestCoastMessenger”
“McCain landed blow after blow and Obama, the wonk, was left sputtering”
Obama looked tired and defeated at the end of the debate, and couldn’t stay on topic.
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Posted by: Billw | October 15, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm
Obama is crying that Fox has caused him to drop in polls …. ha ha ha …
Obama, thank God , there is at least one network who would TELL THE TRUTH ABOUT YOU … Thank God, there is one network who is not Obama-stricken …
Obama, we thank God, there are those who can see through your lies and deceit … we thank God there are those who can see you will be the President with NO CLOTHES, IF ELECTED, GOD FORBID.
Posted by: OBAMA PRESIDENT WITH NO CLOTHES | October 15, 2008, 11:53 pm 11:53 pm
Obama is crying that Fox has caused him to drop in polls
When did he do this.
Posted by: Just Wondering | October 15, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm
.
Moderate:
“Glad to see some of you agree that McCain acquitted himself well tonight”
The style of the debates was finally structured such that issued could be settled between the candidates. McCain settled them alright, and Obama was left almost speechless time after time.
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Posted by: Billw | October 15, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm
McCain clearly lost the debate. He couldn’t stay focused and rambled all over the place. He got one good line in but the rest of the time he whinned and babbled.
Posted by: Lori | October 16, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am
According to polls conducted by CNN, CBS, SurveyUSA, and others, it appears that Sen. Obama kicked Sen. McCain’s you-know-what yet again. Sorry, guys, but angry and frustrated just doesn’t play well when what the country wants is a leader.
Posted by: Ed | October 16, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am
Westcoastmessenger,
Your spouse a die hard Obama supporter who thought McCain won the debate.
Right……Whose spinning now?
Posted by: Cyndi | October 16, 2008, 12:13 am 12:13 am
obama was right, mccain whole campaign has been about everything except what mccain would do for the american people.
i am glad the ayers thing came up,
obama had a chance to answer it once and for all, mccain will be a fool to bring it up again, i voted today in my city, which is just about the most rep. city you can live in-in my state, and you would think we were standing in line to view a body at a funeral.
the few conversations i overheard were not favorable to mccain, and these were people who still ride around with the “W” bumperstickers.
the reps are not pleased with mccain,
he looked very animated at that table, and tightly coached,
he satisfied the people who were going to vote for him anyway, but i don’t think he many indies mind.
I believe his people and the rep party know it is all over for him, and at this point he needs to try and protect his legacy.
i just watched the movie in the valley of elah. sad.
so if you have seen it you will know what i am talking about-and understand when i say-it was shocking to hear mccain say the soldiers can come back home and to and teach school.
after what he went through, all soldiers should be treated for ptsd. ALL of them, it should be a given the should be treated. mr. mccain does not want to afford to our vets what he was able to take for granted, would be there for him.
the top of the list of country first should be to take care of those who protect us. mccain will take services away from our vets coming home.
our country has never treated them right, i was a va nurse during the first gulf war. many where homeless, shipped to the war, brought back and dumped. and that is a fact, i know witnessed this, i know this.
an obama adm will treat our vets better than mccain will.
an obama adm. will be better for our schools.
an obama adm. will be better for our healthcare.
an obama adm. will be better for our economy in the long run. it will not be quick to fix, and it will get worse before it gets better- but it will get better for all.
I thank Sen. Mccain for his service to our country-but i think it is time for him to move on to the next phase of his life. He should not and will not be president-Sarah Palin is not ready to be vp or president. (mccains biggest mistake-I was a hillary supporter-and for a new york min. thought about voting for mccain-but after i listened to sarah palin-NO.
God Bless John Mcain
God Bless our next president Barack Obama.
God Bless the world
the earth IS but ONE country
and Mankind its citizens.
Come together.
Posted by: world | October 16, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am
billw,
you see, that is part of the problem.
mccain landed a blow?
Barack Obama will fight for the citizens of our country.
Mccain is just fighting mad.
Posted by: world | October 16, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am
Westcoastmessenger:
Please. Spare us. I’ve seen your Obama-hating posts around here too long to buy what you’re slinging. What a disappointment. Are you trying out for a job as a republican flack? I’m sure there will be plenty of openings.
Posted by: Tungsten | October 16, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am
O man, you republican are sour losers….
Both delivered their message.
According to most polls Obama did better.
So nothing to cheer about. Get used to it… It’s president Obama.
After the election McCain can always become a plumber, seems that be his passion.
Posted by: CLabs | October 16, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am
OBAMA PRESIDENT WITH NO CLOTHES
“Obama is crying that Fox has caused him to drop in polls”
What is this comment regarding cna you refer me to the source that civrs you a reason for it? I would like to read more about this.
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am
I never believed the stories about John McCain turning mean and hating women until I watched him tonight. The life of the mother? Who would ever care about that? I took my little girl to see this man before Tucker Eskew butchered him in SC – there is an AP photo. I watched what happened in SC and I thought he was a good, honorable man who put integrity before politics.
I didn’t support him in this election, because I don’t hold with the Bush policies – and no matter what kind of baloney he was trying to sell tonight, the new John McCain has backed up Bush every step of the way – voted for torture – voted against the GI Bill – voted for almost everything George Bush wanted. The John McCain of 2000 would not even shake the hand of the liar who has replaced him.
He lost tonight – by any standard – he even lost the Fox News focus group. But mosly he lost another piece of himself and there wasn’t much left to lose.
Posted by: mara | October 16, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am
As discouraging as the current polls are, I lean on my faith that God is, as He has always been, in control.
I truly believe John McCain and Sarah Palin are the right choice to make, for our country’s sake, and that’s how I plan to vote.
Posted by: Bob | October 16, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am
”
As discouraging as the current polls are, I lean on my faith that God is, as He has always been, in control.
”
Well if God can control the stock exchange and fix the economy before election day I will be voting for grandpa McCain, else it will be president Obama.
Posted by: CLabs | October 16, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am
Yes with all the things going on in the world God is really worried about who will win the election for the United States President.
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008, 12:45 am 12:45 am
I hate Obama and will never vote for him, but I have to admit, McCain has just handed over the next presidency to Obama tonight.
It’s all over. McCain just didn’t have the to go up against Obama tonight. He could have POUNDED him…but did nothing.
Maybe Obama is right…McCain has lost his bearings. I’m so disappointed.
But if I can survive 8 years of Bush…I can surely survive 4 years of Obama.
Let’s see what he can do….
Posted by: McCain gave up | October 16, 2008, 12:46 am 12:46 am
Barack said “Without FOX HE WOULD BE AHEAD MORE” get your facts right!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 16, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am
Baracks full statement:
“I am convinced that if there were no Fox News, I might be two or three points higher in the polls,” Obama told me. “If I were watching Fox News, I wouldn’t vote for me, right? Because the way I’m portrayed 24/7 is as a freak! I am the latte-sipping, New York Times-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, politically correct, arrogant liberal. Who wants somebody like that?
“I guess the point I’m making,” he went on, “is that there is an entire industry now, an entire apparatus, designed to perpetuate this cultural schism, and it’s powerful. People want to know that you’re fighting for them, that you get them. And I actually think I do. But you know, if people are just seeing me in sound bites, they’re not going to discover that. That’s why I say that some of that may have to happen after the election, when they get to know you.”
Posted by: Mike NC | October 16, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
mccain gave up,
why do you HATE obama?
Posted by: world | October 16, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am
If McCain wins the election the truth is it will cost more American lives and more Iraqi civillian lives. The war in Iraq could last 100 years for all McCain cares multiply the average number of Americans and Iraqi civillians that die in this war each and every year in this war by 100 and what do you have a lot of dead people. Does anyone really believe that is what God would want. If that is something that you think God wants to happen than you have a messed up vision of God.
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am
McCain looked CRAZY and WEAK tonight Obama looked like a statesman! Obama proved he has a plan for the American people… All McCains claims of Obama is going to raise everyones TAx was shoot down Obama had no trouble explaining his tax policy McCain did!
On Healthcare Obama’s plan wins why shouldnt we the people be allowed to by into the same healthcare plan that John McCain has and all members of the senate ? If its good enough for them why not us ? If I want to keep my same healthcare plan I have I can!
McCains give with one hand take with the other is CRAZY. His healthcare plan and healthcare deregulation will lead to the government havent to bail out healthcare providers! It will make 100 million Americans uninsured!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 16, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am
I think if there was no campaign news coverage at all people would overwhelmingly vote for Obama. This election is very unique that it has been a long time since America has had two candidates at the top of the ticket from both major parties that have an actual voting record that you can actually go and look at how they voted on each and every bill regarding an issue even if you just go back to when Obama first came into the Senate. You can actually judge how each of them votes on issues that matter to you. I would encourage everyone to do this then you can figure out who actually represents you as a citizen.
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am
So now the debate is responceable for the japan stock market dropping. Sure, Jake, sure.
Posted by: Uncle Moe | October 16, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am
Joe Bidden, Warren Buffet already on board. Hopefully Obama also get Powell, Lugar and Bloomberg to join him and form a bi-partisan cabinet.
We are going though some difficult times that can only be solved by intelligent solutions. I’m sure Obama will pick some of the smartest minds from both parties.
Both sided have run negative adds, but we should be looking forward and let the past be the past.
I still have respect for McCain for what he has done in the past. Lets stop the sarcasm, hatred, negative name calling and work together for a better tomorrow.
Posted by: CLabs | October 16, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am
I think my favorite part of the whole debate was when McCain asked Obama what the fine would be for a small businesses that did not provide health insurance to their employees and Obama said the fine would be zero. McCain had the fakest look of shock on his face I have ever seen. Why is it that he brings things up that have been proven to be false by every independent “watch dog group” after the last debate? The same thing happened after th VP debate when they all said that Palin was lying when she said that Obama Voted 94 times to raise taxes on the middle class. Then in the next debate McCain told this exact same lie again. Does his Campaign not even check out which of his lies have already been debunked?
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008, 1:30 am 1:30 am
McCain can’t hide who he is or what he and the Republicans represent……..it comes across so clearly on TV………McCain is a nervous man with backward looking rational and reality.
McCain seems to be ‘seething with rage’ almost as if he can’t believe he’s losing to Obama. Which is a primary reason not to vote for him…he’s unstable.
Posted by: Blue | October 16, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am
So now the debate is responceable for the japan stock market dropping. Sure, Jake, sure.
Posted by: Uncle Moe | Oct 16, 2008 1:19:23 AM
What are you talking about? I didn’t read that in Jakes post. He put this up just as the debate was starting. He never said that the debate was responsible (that is how you spell reponsible incase you didn’t know) for the drop in Japan’s stock market. Did you only read the title or did you read Jakes post? This strange statement makes me wonder if when you pick up a newspaper you just read the headlines and skip over the story.
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am
McCain:
‘”Let me just say, categorically, I’m proud of the people that come to our rallies.”
nuff said
Posted by: Blue | October 16, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am
McCain looked CRAZY and WEAK tonight Obama looked like a statesman! Obama proved he has a plan for the American people… All McCains claims of Obama is going to raise everyones TAx was shoot down Obama had no trouble explaining his tax policy McCain did!
On Healthcare Obama’s plan wins why shouldnt we the people be allowed to by into the same healthcare plan that John McCain has and all members of the senate ? If its good enough for them why not us ? If I want to keep my same healthcare plan I have I can!
McCains give with one hand take with the other is CRAZY. His healthcare plan and healthcare deregulation will lead to the government havent to bail out healthcare providers! It will make 100 million Americans uninsured!
Posted by: Mike NC | Oct 16, 2008 12:59:50 AM
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McCain’s campaign and debate strategy is jsu like his foreign policy, ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK.
Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | October 16, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am
There are two and a half weeks left of the campaign.
McCain has not much options left.
1) McCain could continue attacking Obama, waste of time if you asked me. The public doesn’t like the petty attacks from these lowlifes.
2) McCain could run this Joe the Plumber story. I bet that this story is an empty shell. In an interview with Katie Couric this Joe guy doesn’t seems to me making much money. I think if someone do some digging on this guy this story will fall flat on its face.
3) New economic proposals. To little to late.
Obama shouldn’t focus on McCain, instead he should focus on building bridges to moderate republicans. Be presidential, lead with style and vision. Be realistic about the current situation but also offer hope for better times.
Posted by: CLabs | October 16, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am
The key thing that I don’t think people understand about the ACORN scandal is that both campaigns have given money to them and they screwed up in how they designed the way that they paid their employees. I haven’t seen anything about if they paid an hourly wage or not if someone knows that information please let me know but they were paying these people based on the number of people they registered. The problem with all these posts saying that they are stealing the election is it is not true they are accused of voter REGISTRATION fraud NOT VOTER fraud. If someone is registered multiple times they will only get to vote once.
In the 2004 presidential election there was serious VOTER fraud when people would show up at the place that they WERE supposed to VOTE and people pretending to be election officials told them they were supposed to go same place else to vote and by the time they got back to the right place the polls were closed.
I was just watching tonight’s debate again and McCain said that Hugo Chavez has been helping thwart or fart the terrorist organization. I think he said fart (it seriously sounde more like fart) but he may have said thwart. Can someone explain why he would say this.
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am
McCain looked very desperate, like a drowning man. Let’s face it, he’s behind, and at 72 years old, this is his last chance to be President.
The only way McCain has a chance is to repudiate GW Bush and Voo Doo (Trickle Down) economics. Tax cuts for the rich are not going to solve this economic crisis.
The GOP is finished.
Posted by: McHooverville | October 16, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am
funny and true!
Mccain ATTACK, ATTACK, ATTACK!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 16, 2008, 2:16 am 2:16 am
it’s too bad it took a financial crisis for Americans to wake up and look at the last 8 years.
Posted by: Blue | October 16, 2008, 2:20 am 2:20 am
McCain’s mortgage plan might as well be called TAXPAYER FUNDED MORTGAGE WELFARE. He wants to help people stay in the homes that they can’t afford but he doesn’t want to help people who are falling behind because of rising costs of living by requiring that minimum wage for a forty hour week meets the cost of living.
During tonight’s debate maccain talked about helping children with special needs yet he voted no on an education bill “Vote on a motion to waive the Budget Act in order to adopt an amendment that appropriates $3.96 billion in grants to States for special education and related services for children with disabilities.”
Bill Number: HR 3010
He also says he would help people with the cost of college yet he noted NO on a bill “to adopt an amendment that allocates $836 million for funding the Federal Pell Grant Award Program and increases the maximum Pell Grant a student can receive from $200 to $4,250.”
Also a part of Bill Number: HR 3010
Did not vote on a bill “to pass a bill that increases the maximum annual contribution parents can make to tax-free education accounts.”
Bill Number: HR 2646
Also did not vote “to pass a bill that makes changes to regulations regarding student costs for attending colleges, relationships between colleges and lenders, and student aid.”
HR 4137: To amend and extend the Higher Education Act of 1965
He says that he is for our troops yet he did not vote “to adopt an amendment to HR 2642 that provides education funding for eligible members of the Armed Forces, extends unemployment compensation, establishes moratoria on certain actions regarding Medicaid, and appropriates a total of $28.67 billion for various domestic and international purposes.”
S Amdt 4803 to HR 2642
Posted by: Josh | October 16, 2008, 2:42 am 2:42 am
Grumpy old man “yells at clouds!”
What else can you say? Unless you want to say it is over! The point is McCain needed a game changer, it didn’t happen…
CNN = 58% Obama 31% McCain
Back to Arizona for McCain and back to an “ethics investigation” and prior Abuse of Power conviction for Palin!!!
Posted by: Davis | October 16, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am
The controversial partisan Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner admitted today that she is holding 200,000 potentially fraudulent registrations.
She has been concealing these registrations from the local election boards:
More than 200,000 Ohioans who registered to vote this year for the first time or updated their voting information since Jan. 1 could be affected by the latest court ruling requiring the state to set up a new registration verification system by Friday, Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner said.
Brunner said she would comply with the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals ruling late Tuesday but said she is deeply concerned that the decision is a veiled attempt at disenfranchising voters.
The court’s 9-6 opinion, written by Judge Jeffrey Sutton, suggested that voters whose driver’s license number or Social Security number does not exactly match those found on databases maintained by the Ohio Bureau of Motor Vehicles or Social Security Administration could be required to use provisional ballots instead of conventional ones.
Yesterday, a conservative think tank, the Buckeye Institute, sued the scandal-plagued Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, known as ACORN, over voter registration.
Posted by: Hero | October 16, 2008, 4:05 am 4:05 am
Grandpa, I am sorry, but it is time to take the keys away…
Grumpy old man “yells at clouds!”
What else can you say? Unless you want to say it is over! The point is McCain needed a game changer, it didn’t happen…
CNN = 58% Obama 31% McCain
Back to a retirement home in Arizona for McCain and back to an “ethics investigation” and prior Abuse of Power conviction in Alaska for Palin!!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Davis | October 16, 2008, 4:51 am 4:51 am
“Again Iran and many in the Middle East don’t want McCain to be in the White House.
I guess that’s one thing they have in common with Obama.”
The status of forces agreement (SOFA) can be regarded as the crown jewel of the U.S.-led change in Iraq. It’s not an overstatement to say that it represents an aspect of victory in this war.
By victory I mean that it will mark the beginning of a time in which Iraq is officially a partner of the U.S., as it will join Iraq and the U.S. in a new relationship that serves the national interests of both countries. Above all, it will be a major boost for the effort in the war on terror as it will guarantee that Iraq will not fall prey to extremists.
What I find surprising is that someone from America is trying to obstruct the treaty.
Believe it or not, there’s actually a guy who has no executive authority whatsoever — except in opinion polls — who is trying to bypass the actual top diplomats of the United States and undermine their negotiation efforts with a friendly state, at a time of war.
I was hoping that presidential candidates would not put their electoral objectives above those of their nation. Alas, blinding greed and selfishness seem to prevail sometimes.
I don’t dare suggest that Obama wanted to obstruct the treaty because it threatens Iran and other despots in the Middle East; I’m sure his purpose is different.
The thing is that his purpose is also different from that of the U.S. or of Iraq — two friendly states looking forward to building long-lasting cooperation based on shared interests and mutual respect.
We want victory in the war; Obama wants victory in elections — this is the problem. I’m not sure how or if people here think the treaty might affect the presidential race, but in Iraq and the Middle East people think that signing the treaty before elections would be regarded as a victory for Republicans that could propel McCain to the White House.
Again Iran and many in the Middle East don’t want McCain to be in the White House. I guess that’s one thing they have in common with Obama.
At the same time the Bush administration was negotiating a still elusive agreement to keep the U.S. military in Iraq, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama tried to convince Iraqi leaders in private conversations that the president shouldn’t be allowed to enact the deal without congressional approval.
Mr. Obama’s conversations with the Iraqi leaders, confirmed to The Washington Times by his campaign aides, began just two weeks after he clinched the Democratic presidential nomination in June and stirred controversy over the appropriateness of a White House candidate’s contacts with foreign governments while the sitting president is conducting a war.
Some of the specifics of the conversations remain the subject of dispute. Iraqi leaders purported to The Times that Mr. Obama urged Baghdad to delay an agreement with Mr. Bush until next year when a new president will be in office – a charge the Democratic campaign denies.
“In the conversation, the senator urged Iraq to delay the [memorandum of understanding] between Iraq and the United States until the new administration was in place,” said Samir Sumaidaie, Iraq’s ambassador to the United States.
Posted by: Hero | October 16, 2008, 5:27 am 5:27 am
2006 John McCain to ACORN:
“You Are ‘What Makes America Special”
Posted by: Mike NC | October 16, 2008, 6:04 am 6:04 am
vs
IF ANY OF YOUR POST WAS TRUE WHY DIDNT MCCAIN SAY THAT TO THE PEOPLE IN THE DEBATE ???
WHY DIDNT HE PUT COUNTRY FIRST ND WARN THE PEOPLE OF THIS THREAT ??
GIVE ME A BREAK !
TRUTH WILL WIN THIS ELECTION SMEARS AND ATTACKS ARE ALL YOUVE GOT LEFT!
Posted by: Mike NC | October 16, 2008, 6:11 am 6:11 am
looks like palin has burned her bridge to nowhere in alaska,
the people in gov. up there are mad at her. those that she use to work well with in both parties, are upset with her because she has become so partisian.
It was revealed that people who would be going up to the gov. mansion on official business, would be greeted by todd-wearing his pj’s and he would sit around and talk with people in his pj’s.
I think it will be better for the whole country if the palins would just go back to alaska. and take care of family matters.
Posted by: world | October 16, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am
Stocks will continue to tumble, as investors are afraid that companies and assets will either be seized by the government in an Obama administration. Obama has proudly announced that the Middle Class will now be on welfare. Unbelievable. “So this is how democracy dies… with thunderous applause.”
Posted by: Fallon | October 16, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am
Stocks will continue to tumble, as investors are afraid that companies and assets will either be seized by the government or have to compete with the government on an uneven playing field in an Obama administration. Obama has proudly announced that the Middle Class will now be on welfare. Unbelievable. “So this is how democracy dies… with thunderous applause.” Get used to the phrase, Middle Class Welfare.
Posted by: Correction | October 16, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am
After sleeping on the debate overnight, I woke up still comfortable that McCain did a stellar job and could not catch a break from the pundits. They were all convinced (gee, just like the Obama talking points) that the only way McCain could win was to have a “home run.” Is this really how we want to run our politics? is this really how we want to choose our president? By treating discussions of the issues facing our country as a baseball game or a boxing match?
Look at the material presented by the two candidates to evaluate the debate. McCain has a stronger economic plan. He does not want to raise taxes on anyone in this tough economic time, including the job engines, small businesses. He wants to have a spending freeze. He supports nuclear power and offshore drilling. These are ideas we need going forward.
Obama harps on “tax cuts for 95%” even though that is not possible. What he includes in this figure is the 40% of us who do not pay any taxes– he’s going to send those people an earned income check, apparently, with some of that money he’s collecting from those of us who do pay taxes. A welfare check is not a tax cut. And I have yet to have it adequately explained to me how he can repeal the bush tax cuts — which of course did not go just to “the wealthy” but were across the board– as he plans and that would not be a tax increase. He cannot name a single place where he will actually cut government spending– seems clear that government spending will grow under his plans.
While I do not agree with McCain on a few key social issues, including abortion, I think he did a better job of connecting on these issues last night. He presented the antiabortion argument well and forced Obama to address his own record on abortion legislation (and Obama made statements that contradict earlier spins on this issue and contradict the reporting on this issue). He got the best of Obama on the issue of school vouchers (another issue I don’t get worked up about).
Are people really listening? Or are they running things through their “I hate Bush; McCain is Bush” or their “Obama is a socialist” filter and coming away with their views unchanged by anything they heard?
Wish Schieffer had run all the debates. We needed more of them– and remember, McCain tried to get more of them. Obama would not play along– probably wise strategically but a shame for the voters. He’d rather make his points unchallenged by flooding the market with ads paid for by all that money he collected after opting out of public financing, going back on his pledge to accept it as all past candidates have done.
Posted by: moderate | October 16, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am
Fallon…
You cannot blame the current economic crisis on Obama.
I actually know people who make their living buying and selling stocks and commodities…
They all admit that the market needs tighter regulation. They want better refs… so they can go back to playing aggressively.
Personally, I think it is a dumb way to make a living. But, I can see their point. In highly competetive situations, people will do anything possible to get an edge. If the refs don’t set boundaries, they will go too far, because everyone will be going too far. It’s a bad mentality. But that is what drives capitalism: competition.
Posted by: Blip | October 16, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am
Moderate, your point is “moderate” for a McCain supporter.
No outlandish smears about pedophiles and secret muslims and Ayers ghostwriting Obama’s book.
It’s the first pro-McCain post I have read in a long time that wasn’t larded up with incendiary lies and innuendos.
I disagree with your take on the debate. I do think that McCain comes off as nasty
Posted by: blip | October 16, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am
A while back, Rick Davis told us all that this campaign would be about personalities rather than issues. Unfortunately for McCain, the personality at issue has turned out to be his.
Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 16, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am
“You cannot blame the current economic crisis on Obama.” You can attribute the jittery nature of the brokers on the uncertainty of what an Obama administration would mean. The stock market has always been jittery and rumor prone but the monetary effect is real. Stocks continue to tumble as the third and final debate was a tie. I really don’t like the idea of Middle Class Welfare. That is a mistake that will not be able to be undone.
Posted by: Fallon | October 16, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am
This site is boring
Posted by: The Surge | October 16, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
Mara, I shake my head when I read some of your posts. You write persuasively, but you twist things and misstate things to make your points. That troubles me.
You wrote in your argument that McCain is just Bush redux: “the new John McCain has backed up Bush every step of the way – voted for torture – voted against the GI Bill – voted for almost everything George Bush wanted.” What on earth? McCain never “voted for torture.” In fact, one of his most public disputes with the Bush administration has been about Guantanamo and interrogating terror suspects. McCain takes that issue extremely seriously, not surprisingly, and he has spoken out loudly and often about it. That was one of the things that keep some conservatives from embracing him more enthusiastically. So I cnnot let that statement go unchallenged.
Yes, McCain voted against the latest GI Bill, but not because he does not support the troops and veterans with all his heart. He had issues with how the bill was structured — the Democrats, mainly Jim Webb, structured the bill in a way that would force many long-term veterans’ supporters like McCain to either take a principled stand or vote for something that was not, in their opinion, in the best interests of the military. McCain felt the restructuring of the benefits package would discourage reenlistment. Therefore he voted against that particular bill. Dems got a two-fer, as they wanted– they could demonstrate support for veterans AND bash other supporters of veterans for not voting for this particular bill.
Posted by: moderate | October 16, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am
Concerned in Ohio,
Of course the “kill him” accusation has been debunked. I always suspected it would be. Don’t hold your breathe expecting the media to disseminate this information widely or to alter their criticism of the McCain campaign just because the underlying “facts” turned out to be untruths.
The Secret Service has a vested interest in paying close attention to such threats. They were on the scene, and not only did they not hear this alleged threat, they coordinated an investigation with local law enforcement also on the scene and determined that the charge was false. This is solid proof in my book. And yet, folks will now fall all over themselves, if anyone dares to point out that the initial charges were wrong, to claim that what actually happened does not matter– what might have happened, based on their interpretation of the atmosphere at the rally, is just as important. It’s disturbing to see this attitude. Kind of like last night, when Obama basically said “John Lewis pushed things a little bit but basically he was right and I agree with him”– not those exact words (just using quotation remarks to distinguish the idea I’m attributing to Obama from my own ideas here) but words to that effect.
Posted by: moderate | October 16, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am
Go play your nintendo, Surge.
Jake, can you follow up on Ohio’s inaccurate voter registration? Seems Brunner is stonewalling the court’s order to “fix” her lame system before Friday. I wonder if the Dems will pull another “screw the court” like Obama did in the Berg case. Imagine 200,000 registrations this year and when the Republicans ask for verification on thousands of bogus forms, Brunner blames the Reps for waiting so long to bring up the matter, instead of taking responsibility for her attempt to defraud voters in Ohio who don’t want Obama by sliding through bogus Obama leaning registrations. Let’s not forget one thing. If a state has same day registration and vote by absentee ballot, be assured there’s fraud involved when the Democrat in charge screams that changing things now would disqualify all of their bogus Obama votes. Gee.
Posted by: Emm | October 16, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am
Sen. Obama gave Sen. McCain two huge openings last night and Sen. McCain just let them both pass without comment.
The first was when Sen. Obama was talking about Joe the plumber. Sen. Obama said, “Now, the conversation I had with Joe the plumber, what I essentially said to him was, ‘Five years ago, when you were in a position to buy your business, you needed a tax cut then.’”
Sen McCain should have responded with something like: “Senator, Joe DID receive a tax cut in 2001 and 2003. In fact, all taxpayers received tax cuts under the Bush Administration.”
Now then the second opening could have been the real “game changer” but Sen. McCain just let it slide. In commenting about ACORN, Sen. Obama said: “The only involvement I’ve had with ACORN was I represented them alongside the U.S. Justice Department in making Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get registered at DMVs.”
Sen. McCain should have shot back with: “THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE LIE, SEN. OBAMA AND YOU KNOW IT. Madeline Talbott was one of the pioneers of ACORN. You trained her personal staff. You also conducted leadership-training seminars for ACORN’s new organizers. Furthermore, you used to be the executive director of voter registration for ACORN’s Chicago branch. Your involvment with ACORN is extensive. And you need to explain to the American people exactly what your training consisted of. Did your seminars include intimidation and extortion techniques? Was it your instruction that forced the banks to lower their lending standards? Oh! And while you were the executive director of voter registration did you encourage vote registration fraud? The American people need to know the whole truth about your involvement with ACORN, Senator!”
Posted by: James Danley | October 16, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am
james danley,
sen. obama has explained,
he does not need to explain anything else about that., it seem expecially to you, you have the whole story, right you just told us.
so what else do you need to know?
it seems you have the whole scoop.
but you left out one bit, mccain involvement with acorn.
now go and investigate that.
and furthermore, since sen. mccain had those easy areas to “catch obama out”
and didn’t take them, maybe mccain and co. have not done there research,maybe mccain does not know what you know about joe the plumber, and acorn.
or maybe mccain did not practice talking about the facts, he only came armed with attacks.
i thank mr. mccain for giving obama a chance to put those issure to rest.
but i am sure we will be a year into the obama presidency, the economy will began to be on an upswing, we will all be beginning to live better as we did during the clinton years, america will be back in the saddle again, and some will still be talking about joe the plumber, acorn, and bill ayers.
i wanted sen. clinton to be president,
she will not, i am still sticking with sen. clinton and voted for obama for president.
between obama and biden, and mccain and palin, i say god bless mccain and his military service to this country, and good luck to palin and her future aspirations. and i am now getting use to saying President Obama and vice president biden.
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even george bush is ready for president obama-little true story here.
george bush was in texas recently,
a lady asked him what he was going to do about this economic mess we have going on right now, mr bush said to the lady, i am working on it and in about four weeks i will have an answer for you.
(now many would have taken that answer tongue and cheek-but with bush, i think he was serious, i and many other american cannot wait to see the backside of bush. we are in the home stretch now. i hope i live to see him go up those steps on the plane, turn and wave for the last time.
our national nightmare will be over.
john mccain had bush to thank for his last failed run at the presidency, and he has him to thank for this one also.
when the dems asked mccain to join the dem. party-mccain should have said “yes”
maybe after this is over he will.
Posted by: world | October 16, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am
World, I want to know whether Sen. Obama’s training of the ACORN organizers in the early 1990s included the techniques that ACORN used in intimidating and extorting the banks to lower their lending standards and practices. I want to know whether Sen. Obama was a party to any conspiracy to destroy our economy? Or was it just a coincidence?
THAT is why Sen. Obama’s associations are so important.
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR Frank Marshall Davis (Sen. Obama’s Communist mentor & father-figure from 1975-1979 — when Sen. Obama was 14-18 years of age, the impressionable years.).
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR Saul Alinsky (a Communist under whose principles Sen. Obama studied).
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. (a Black Liberation theologist who mentored and pastored Sen. Obama for 20 years).
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR Father Michael Pfleger (a radical who was Sen. Obama’s spiritual advisor).
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohm Ayers (radicals who hold anti-America and anti-Capitalism views with whom Sen. Obama had a deeper relationship than he wishes to make known).
A vote AGAINST Sen. Obama is a vote AGAINST ALL of the above.
Posted by: James Danley | October 16, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am
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world:
“Barack Obama will fight for the citizens of our country. Mccain is just fighting mad.”
For the sake of argument, let’s say you are correct. Obama’s free passes are enough to anger anyone (let alone McCain)on the side of fairness and decency. Obama won the first nine primarys against Clinton because his baggage re Wright didn’t hit the news until after they were conducted. After that it was nip and tuck, and Clinton almost won anyway. Here’s the problem with Obama:
He has friends and/or supporters who are radicals, terrorists, anti-Americans, crooks, racists, and crackpots, such as:
The Black Panthers
NAACP
Farrakhan
Hamas
Castro
Ortega
Chavez
Al Qaeda
Jane Fonda
Jesse Jackson
Michael Moore
Al Sharpton
Wright
Rezko
Ayers
Pfleger
Weathers
Muslim-American Society
However.. his base support is blacks, die-hard democrats, and the young who think he is hip and cool, and the above means nothing to them. Too bad.
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Posted by: Billw | October 16, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm
In politics it is generally not considered a good sign when voters are laughing at you, not with you. And by the end of the third and last presidential debate, the undecided voters who had gathered in Denver for Democratic pollster Stan Greenberg’s focus group were “audibly snickering” at John McCain’s grimaces, eye-bulging, and repeated references to “Joe the Plumber.”
Posted by: dewde | October 16, 2008, 3:08 pm 3:08 pm
Posted by: Billw | Oct 16, 2008 12:30:36 PM
World, I want to know whether Sen. Obama’s training of the ACORN organizers in the early 1990s included the techniques that ACORN used in intimidating and extorting the banks to lower their lending standards and practices. I want to know whether Sen. Obama was a party to any conspiracy to destroy our economy? Or was it just a coincidence?
THAT is why Sen. Obama’s associations are so important.
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR Frank Marshall Davis (Sen. Obama’s Communist mentor & father-figure from 1975-1979 — when Sen. Obama was 14-18 years of age, the impressionable years.).
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR Saul Alinsky (a Communist under whose principles Sen. Obama studied).
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. (a Black Liberation theologist who mentored and pastored Sen. Obama for 20 years).
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR Father Michael Pfleger (a radical who was Sen. Obama’s spiritual advisor).
A vote for Sen. Obama is a vote FOR Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohm Ayers (radicals who hold anti-America and anti-Capitalism views with whom Sen. Obama had a deeper relationship than he wishes to make known).
A vote AGAINST Sen. Obama is a vote AGAINST ALL of the above.
Posted by: LadySmith | October 16, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm