By Rigel Anderson

Oct 17, 2008 8:17pm

GOP Senator Slams McCain Robo Call

ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Rigel Anderson report:  Embattled Republican Sen. Susan Collins is calling on Sen. John McCain to stop paying for automated phone calls which describe Sen. Barack Obama as having "worked closely" with "domestic terrorist Bill Ayers."

"These kind of tactics have no place in Maine politics," said Collins spokesman Kevin Kelley. "Sen. Collins urges the McCain campaign to stop these calls immediately."

Contacted on Friday by ABC News, the McCain campaign would not say if it was going to heed the request of Collins who serves as his campaign’s co-chair in Maine.

"Obviously, Sen. McCain has great respect for Sen. Collins. But beyond that," said McCain spokesman Brian Rogers, "we don’t have any comment."

Ayers is the former leader of the Weather Underground. To protest the Vietnam War, his organization ran a domestic bombing campaign which resulted in fatalities.

Obama, who was 8 years old at the time, has repudiated those acts as "despicable." Friday’s statement from the Collins campaign came after Maine’s Democratic Party issued a press release earlier in the day challenging the Republican incumbent to denounce what it called "blatantly false phone calls personally attacking" Obama.

Collins’ Democratic opponent was not satisfied.

"If she truly feels that strongly about it," said Carol Andrews, communications director to Democratic Rep. Tom Allen, "she should resign as co-chair of McCain’s campaign in Maine."

Here is the script of the McCain-RNC robo call about Bill Ayers, which Collins criticized on Friday:

"Hello. I’m calling for John McCain and the RNC because you need to know that Barack Obama has worked closely with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers, whose organization bombed the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, a judge’s home and killed Americans. And Democrats will enact an extreme leftist agenda if they take control of Washington. Barack Obama and his Democratic allies lack the judgment to lead our country. This call was paid for by McCain-Palin 2008 and the Republican National Committee at 202-863-8500."

Politico has the audio HERE

The Collins criticism of McCain’s robo call was first reported by Jessica Alaimo of Politicker-Maine and later confirmed by ABC News.

User Comments

Maccain is sinking. He is like a man whose neck is tied to a heavy rock, thrown into the sea of republican exploitation, sinking down the ocean of oblivion.
McCain is done. We should close the book and go elections now. McCain is done. The time is right for a change and lies and desperation will not stop the wind of change. The republicans think that everybody is stupid to see throw the masks of their lies.
The republicans are done. It was a nice try. Good McCain, it is time for you and your wife to start drinking a lot of budweissers for free from your wives’s brewery factory. There is enough to make Joe the plumber drunk and when he wakes up from the stupor he can remember to start paying taxes.
Americans will never be fooled again.
The new era has begun.
Everybody get out on November 4th and go to the polling station.
Hubert.

Posted by: Temba | October 17, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

McCain puts McCain first and his win at any cost, even if it means lies and slander. Imagine what he would be like if ever let loose in the white house with his poor excuse of a lap dog.

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 8:38 pm 8:38 pm

McCain tried negative smears last week, and it cost him 6% in the polls.
So what’s he doing now?
More of the same.
McSame. More of the Same.

Posted by: clifton | October 17, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

This McSlimmy robo calls are desperation at its worst.
These are the last kicks of a dieing horse.
If McCain is going down shouldn’t he at least lose like Bob Dole with some dignity.
What is wrong with these Repugs.

Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 17, 2008, 8:46 pm 8:46 pm

BHO isn’t as rosy as you think either…
Obama falsely claimed all of McCain’s ads had been “negative.”
Obama: And 100 percent, John, of your ads – 100 percent of them have been negative.
McCain: It’s not true.
Obama: It absolutely is true.
It was almost true, for one recent week. Obama was referring to a report by the Wisconsin Advertising Project at the University of Wisconsin that concluded that “nearly 100 percent of the McCain campaign’s advertisements were negative” during the week of Sept. 28 through Oct. 4. During the same week, 34 percent of the Obama campaign’s ads were negative. The Obama campaign was found to have outspent the McCain campaign in nearly all of the competitive states, in some cases by a margin of more than 3-to-1.
McCain’s ads, however, have not been deemed 100 percent negative in other weeks. In fact, in the week after the Republican National Convention, 77 percent of Obama’s ads were negative, according to the advertising project, while 56 percent of McCain’s were negative.

Posted by: jerilyn | October 17, 2008, 8:51 pm 8:51 pm

This is sick! McCain is doing something EXTREMELY dangerous and he needs to be careful.
He is inciting anger, hatred, division and fear…and if he doesn’t stop it now, he will regret it later.
As for that Palin woman…she needs to explain her “pro-american” comment. I live in L.A. a big city and I consider myself VERY patriotic! As for you, even questioning that, maybe you should start answering as to why you and your ‘first dude’ associated yourselves with the AIG? Now who’s patriotic?

Posted by: nancy | October 17, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

THE GOP IS WORKING VERY HARD TO LOSE THIS CAMPAIGN FOR MCCAIUN
KATHLEEN PARKER
BUCKLEY
ETC ETC
THEN THIS IDIOT..

Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | October 17, 2008, 8:52 pm 8:52 pm

I don’t think there is any real doubt at this point that Obama will win. We’re all working like madmen towards that. Many millions of us. No more Bush. No more McCain. No more Republicans. No more War. No more division.
It just is what it is. And what its going to be.

Posted by: Scott - Fort Worth - TX | October 17, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

For Palin to be questioning anybody’s patriotism, maybe she ought to be spending more time explaining why she was associated with the Alaska Independent Party…an organization that pushed for Alaska to secede from the United States.
Palin, you don’t get any more anti-american than that…bimbo!

Posted by: janice | October 17, 2008, 8:55 pm 8:55 pm

Cheney ought to take Mccain and Palin hunting!

Posted by: mccainpalinscareme | October 17, 2008, 8:57 pm 8:57 pm

Why did McCain call the JFK assassination an “intervention”, a CIA term for a covert operation?
Another freudian slip or a veiled warning to Obama?
http://www.infowars.com/?p=5385

Posted by: monitor | October 17, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

So Steve, you are saying that Obama wasn’t right that McCain’s ads were 100% negative because if one looked at his whole campaign they weren’t. So what you want Obama to actually say is that
“McCain’s ads have started out only somewhat negative and now they are 100% negative as I moved ahead in the polls and he desperately sought to get back in it?”
And that leads to his desperate use of dirty robocalls. So dirty that it threatens Susan Collins campaign that she feels she must disclaim them!
And regarding “negative ads” – the Advertising Project simply defined a “negative ad” as one that mentioned the opponent. Many people think that attacking an opponents policy positions is fair…and is quite different from attacking a persons religion, ethnic background, character, honesty, or patriotism.

Posted by: cinnamonape | October 17, 2008, 9:03 pm 9:03 pm

G. Gordon Liddy; a man who wanted to shoot ATF agents in the head; a convict.
Good friends with McCain.
McCain has no soul. He’s dead inside.

Posted by: RobK | October 17, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

Your article is somewhat misleading when you say “his organization ran a domestic bombing campaign which resulted in fatalities.” The only fatalities were their own members when a bomb blew up early and after that Weather evacuated all buildings in advance and was very careful to avoid the loss of human life. Their actions were certainly misguided, but they in all fairness directed their violence at property, not people.

Posted by: James | October 17, 2008, 9:08 pm 9:08 pm

John McCain is a dishonorable coward–a sad bitter old man completely unfit to lead this country.

Posted by: Sportin' Life | October 17, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

When you thought McCain could sink no lower he does it again… I have voted Republican since I started voting. This will be my first year voting democratic. John McCain is a disgrace to America and Sarah Palin is nothing more than a one-note gimmick.

Posted by: Steve | October 17, 2008, 9:10 pm 9:10 pm

monitor – did you miss the winking of McCain too? Those are also code words. A veiled warning to Obama? You need to get out of the house and breathe some fresh air. Its politics. Its not about all the stupid attacks either of them make. Do your own research on their records and don’t vote out of fear.

Posted by: arial | October 17, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Robocall smears…so THAT’S what McCain meant when he said he’d run an honorable campaign. Meanwhile Palin is out saying some parts of the country are more “pro-America” than others. Jingoistic, xenophobic politics of divisiveness.
WHERE’S THE HONOR, JOHN?

Posted by: jon in maryland | October 17, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

Sen. McCain is a disgrace and is running a campaign wholly beneath the office he seeks. He has traded his honor for a shot at the job he has wanted for 10 years. It would be sad, but we have too much at stake to waste time pitying him any longer.
He knows what he is doing, he knows the division and anger his campaign and its tactics are sewing, and he does these things anyway. I am officially repulsed. Between this and the Bachmann McCarthyism we witnessed earlier and Palin’s repeated vile slime, I am thinking about changing my party id. McCain is clearly going down and wants to take the party with him. Enough is really enough.

Posted by: Florida Republican | October 17, 2008, 9:16 pm 9:16 pm

Having received one of these Robocalls exactly 12 hours after the last debate — you remember, the one in which McCain told us that he’s not running a negative campaign — I can tell you: I was sickened. Has American politics really sunk this low? The mainstream media should be ALL OVER this hypocrisy on McCain’s part.

Posted by: Dr. Vic | October 17, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

“jerilyn” — The issue is McSlimers robocalls — not Obama’s “negative ads”.
_____
Robocalls are probably illegal in ME, exactly as they are in one or more New England states, including MA.
Not that Republicans are concerned with rule of law — torture is a war crime that can’t be made legal. Plumbing without a license is illegal.
But “jerilyn” isn’t sufficiently moral to deal with those realities, so she dishonestly and irrationally changes the subject based upon the lie that she’s not only moral, but morally superior to those who aren’t liars and lawless.

Posted by: JNagarya | October 17, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

McCain is garbage. Period.

Posted by: bubba | October 17, 2008, 9:22 pm 9:22 pm

Do not confuse the negativity of the two campaigns’ ads. McCain’s are personal attacks on Obama as a person and his loyalty to America. Obama’s ads attack McCain’s record and policies.
Kudos to Collins.

Posted by: Bill | October 17, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

For those that want to change their party. Go. Don’t want you. Let me know when you get your handouts. I hope, for your sakes, he delivers. BHO is going to say look folks I thought I could give you guys a break but man I have all these great ideas and I need to pay for them somehow. So be patriotic!

Posted by: johnny | October 17, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

With all the brouhaha about the polls, I decided to start on of my own. I started a blog and ask these questions:
Does everyone realize there are four choices in this election?
You can vote:
For McCain – McCain is the best candidate in this election and deserves to be elected.
Against Obama – Where this might seem as a vote for McCain; its really not, it is a vote to keep Obama from being elected; no matter who the other candidate is.
For Obama – Obama is the best candidate in this election and deserves to be elected.
Against McCain – again this might seem like for Obama but it really isn’t.
Go to my blog and vote: http://nebraskavoice.blogspot.com
The results so for are interesting…
McCain – 56%
Obama – 44%

Posted by: NebraskaVoice | October 17, 2008, 9:23 pm 9:23 pm

America has been kept blind by the “media”.
World Net Daily, Aaron Klein
“Sen. Barack Obama is a Muslim of Kenyan origin who studied in Islamic schools and whose campaign may have been financed by people in the Islamic and African worlds, Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi said during a recent televised national rally” (watch the rally).
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78309
“There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama,” said Gadhafi in little-noticed remarks he made at a rally marking the anniversary of the 1986 U.S. air raid on his country.

Posted by: Ann | October 17, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

I love this constant reference to how Obama is spending more money on negative advertising. That is because HE HAS MORE MONEY! That is because people like me would rather give him our money then the vilest republican since, well, W.
McCain spends ALL of his money on negative ads and it is still not as much money as Obama is spending because he just doesn’t have as much. Period.

Posted by: Chad | October 17, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

Here’s another republican, the female Mccarthy ….after this stunt, her opponent has received $40,000 in one site alone in donations, he had $2,500 donated as of 6pm tonight
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/gop-rep-channels-mccarthy_n_135735.html

Posted by: ann | October 17, 2008, 9:30 pm 9:30 pm

JNagarya – Obama has to hide a little with the negatives. Because if he doesn’t alot more unpleasant relationships could be brought out. I think McCain is being generous. Be thankful. He is not the Messiah you think he is.

Posted by: jonesy | October 17, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

Ann (at 9:26:56 PM), Barack Obama was born in Hawaii. My mother-in-law, a retired obstetrics nurse, was present at his birth, having worked for the OB-GYN who tended to his 18-year-old mother during her pregnancy.
I fully realize, since you quote World Net Daily, that you are perhaps unaware that Hawaii has been part of the United States since 1898. However, now that you’ve been enlightened, please stop spreading patently false information.

Posted by: Donald from Hawaii | October 17, 2008, 9:37 pm 9:37 pm

when news organizations report the bombs ‘resulted in fatalities’ does anyone wonder why ayers is not in jail? you should. you’re not getting the whole story. the MSM is completely comprimised by corporations.
the only people who died were a few of the bomb-makers themselves…surprise!

Posted by: lucky | October 17, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm

Donald from Hawaii – is Hawaii the 57th state??

Posted by: arial | October 17, 2008, 9:39 pm 9:39 pm

“If she truly feels that strongly about it,” said Carol Andrews, communications director to Democratic Rep. Tom Allen, “she should resign as co-chair of McCain’s campaign in Maine.”
-=-=-
Rep. Tom Allen is a hypocrite for calling on Sen. Collins to resign as Sen. McCain’s campaign co-chair in Maine for running robocalls while not calling for Sen. Obama to withdraw his candidacy for President of the United States for running tv ads beyond public finance limits.

Posted by: Obamacrat for McCain | October 17, 2008, 9:40 pm 9:40 pm

McCain will lie, cheat and steal if he has to in order to get to the White House. These “Robo” calls are disgusting. Wake up people this is how he will lead and it’s scary.
Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Sarah | October 17, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

lucky – well that kind of sucks for Obama that Ayers wasn’t one of them.

Posted by: jonesy | October 17, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

Obama and his democratic allies? I thought McCain was going to reach accross the isle too? So much for the independent”Allies”. So all those democratic voters out their are incompetent too. So McCain is saying over half of the voters in America are misguided? And his campaign not only disrespects the democrats, he disrespects a co-chair of his own campaign. Wow. Could it be possible this bunch is worse than Bush?

Posted by: Miki | October 17, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

>> I think McCain is being generous
Then you don’t know John McCain or his long history of involvement in some of the more shady times in history that have cost many others their careers.

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 9:42 pm 9:42 pm

Is Sen Collins’ protest genuine or does it just try to reduce her association with McCain in the minds of undecided voters? If the ads continue, I’d think she’s engaging in a bit of theatre.

Posted by: Jim | October 17, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

Go after him Susan you and Snow and as close to M>C> Smith as they come in fact either of you ladies would have been better as a running mate then Palin.Tell Cindy baby that she is a liar and puke.She slams ever chance she gets and did it again today but Her Hubby champaign is clean.HA-HA

Posted by: indp voter | October 17, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

lol typical liberal responses, smear the messenger instead of the message.

Posted by: john | October 17, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

– Obama to withdraw his candidacy for President of the United States for running tv ads beyond public finance limits. –
You might want to read this before you go spouting off about campaign limits:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6049954&page=1http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6049954&page=1

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

Intelligent conservatives are walking away from the party on this one.
Peggy Noonan finally called BS on the Palin candidacy today and said she “represents the vulgarization of american politics”.
David Brooks calls her “a cancer that will destroy the republican party”
Matthew Dowd, bush’s former campaign guru, said that “john mccain knows he put the country at risk by picking Palin. He’ll have to live with it the rest of his life”.
McCain-Palin is a joke!

Posted by: bubba | October 17, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

I guess the campaign wanted to wait for the debate to be over to do this, so McLame wouldn’t have to answer anything. I don’t want him to be president, but I did respect him, now that is all gone.

Posted by: Rafael | October 17, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

GBA – they’ll be alright Obama is going to take care of them, We are going to be the laziest country in the world,

Posted by: jonesy | October 17, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

Bill Ayers is not in jail thanks to Nixon’s COINTELPRO – that is, illegal domestic spying on Americans.
Bill Ayers also NEVER said, with respect to 9/11, that the Weather Underground should have ‘bombed more’.
What Ayers said was that his group did not do enough to stop the Vietnam War. These remarks came out in a New York Times interview which was published on September 10, 2001. The remarks were in no way connected to the events of 9/11 other than the coincidence of their publication so close to 9/11.
Since the interview was both conducted and published prior to 9/11, it is impossible for Ayers to have made these remarks with respect to the terrorist attacks.

Posted by: r€nato | October 17, 2008, 9:46 pm 9:46 pm

McCain hasn’t the guts to use his own voice on robocalls.

Posted by: doug | October 17, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

– smear the messenger instead of the message. –
The message has already been hashed over and over again.. it is the messenger that continues to repeat the same nonsense over and over and over again in true Roveian fashion.
Even my grandmother knows McCain is full of himself if he thinks people will buy his tenuous connection hogwash, and she will believe just about anything (she still thinks that Bush is a good president!).

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

You ain’t seen nothing yet. Team McCain knows it will lose at the polls. But some of them believe that, as long as they are not caught, suspending the Constitution is acceptable means to assure a McCain victory. Team McCain is preparing to win the election in the federal courts.

Posted by: FormerIntern | October 17, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

RE: Ann 10/17 9:26:56
Gee, and isn’t it a shock that Bush has re-established ties with Gadahfi over the last few months. Do you suppose that happened before or after these comments were made? I suppose it’s too much to ask for some independent thinking here – You are obviously the victim of another nifty Republican tactic – don’t fund education, make people stupid, and they’ll all vote for you when you frighten them with lies and exaggerations.
Not that your interested, but Obama is Christian – and American – and was born an American citizen. Have a nice day – and don’t forget to vote on November 5th!

Posted by: chris | October 17, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

– We are going to be the laziest country in the world, –
We already are, or haven’t you noticed it.
Fortunately, once Obama implements some of his plans, people will actually have to do a little something for their government support. What a refreshing idea, and one I look forward to.

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

There are many questions about Obama’s integrity on so many issues. It was gone for me when he said he would repeal NAFTA but met secretly with a Canadian delegation and assured them it was only for politiacl reasons he made the comment. The moral of the story with Joe the plumber is not to question the government and especially the democrat messiah. Does this give evidence to the assertions that Obama will try to overturn the second amendment and gun ownership rights? A socialist government has no need for an armed public. The vote was close in the previous supreme court decision but liberal justice Kennedy made the decisive vote knowing it would have lead this country to civil war. A domestic militia is need in time of war. People should start stocking up before it is too late. Do not take freedom for granted. Just look to the history of Cuba.

Posted by: jamesferrel | October 17, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

Excuse me, Ann. But you are misinformed. Barack Obama happens to be an American of Christian origin. This is a fact.
And if he were a Muslim? So what? It is contrary to the basic principles of our beloved country to say this makes one whit of difference. US Constitution, Article 6, Section 3: “no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.”
Read it. Believe it. This is what makes the USA great.

Posted by: Ellen | October 17, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

>> Does this give evidence to the
>> assertions that Obama will try to
>> overturn the second amendment and gun
>> ownership rights?
He is a constitutional law expert and has fought for upholding the constitution all his life.. I think any fears about overturning the second amendment is only in peoples minds.. particularly the ones who have fallen for the current administrations fear tactics used over the last 8 years.

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 9:56 pm 9:56 pm

“Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another, but let him work diligently and build one for himself” – Lincoln

Posted by: jerilyn | October 17, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

I don’t understand why there has been zero focus on McCain’s past questionable associations, as well as Palin’s: Pastor Hagee, G Gordon Liddy, the Alaska Independent Party (AIP), the Oregon Citizens Alliance, and more… McCain is a hypocrite, and he will lose!

Posted by: WATCH US EXPLODE | October 17, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Why doesn’t Maine’s Democratic Party demand that Obama repudiate Congressman Lewis’ comments about McCain? It works both ways .. and the Obama Campaign has their own “stuff” to clean up!

Posted by: Cassandra Washington | October 17, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

In my Opinion George Bush is a strong leader, the right president for our time.But im very concerned if the media shovel Marxist Obama down on the American People, and will be truble all over.All our enemies just waiting for Obama to be elected.

Posted by: Joe | October 17, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

What is your definition of workng closely? Many would say being on the same board, running a fund raiser from Ayer’s house, and editing each other’s books is closely.
Now the liberal media seems to think that Joe the Plumber is a worse guy than the snot nosed rich kid Bill Ayers and his bomb throwing rich brat wife. I’ll pick the plumber every time.
Why would anyone associate with Ayers? If he is on the board, a normal person would not join the board. I know Chicago politics are pretty corrupt, but this goes beyond the call.
Pick the plumber!

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

>> Pastor Hagee, G Gordon Liddy, the
>> Alaska Independent Party (AIP), the
>> Oregon Citizens Alliance, and more..
US Council for World Freedom, World Anti-Communist League, Albanian American Citizens League, Kosovo Liberation Army, Iran-Contra associations, previous funding of Bin Laden when he was ‘our friend’..
the list continues to grow

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm

@ GBA- Do you think that Obama was stupid enough to use the public finance system after the last two elections have shadows of voter suppression. Sorry to tell you- He can spend as much as he wants on his campaign since he is running a private financed campaign. Do you wonder why he has so much money to spend? Each time he is attacked we the people give him more money to defend his campaign. It is time for the Rove style campaigns to fail and disappear forever.

Posted by: MyVoiceHere | October 17, 2008, 10:01 pm 10:01 pm

If McCain wins it will be by a very small margin and half of the country well have no respect for him.

Posted by: Kathy | October 17, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

You might want to read this before you go spouting off about campaign limits:
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6049954&page=1http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=6049954&page=1
-=-=-
did someone just try to cite ABC News for accurate information? here’s a little hint to put down some of that academic elitist ingnorameousnism:
“A plurality of voters (42%) rate… Fox News… as unbiased in terms of political coverage”
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/55_say_media_more_biased_this_year_in_campaign_coverage

Posted by: Obamacrat for McCain | October 17, 2008, 10:02 pm 10:02 pm

The anti-Obama whisper internet, robocall campaign- “he wasn’t born in the U.S., he’s a Muslim, he associates with terrorist, he’s the sleeper Manchurian Candidate terrorist- convinces me of three things. 1. Reincarnation is a reality!. These people are the most recent versions of Joseph McCarthy. 2. I saw the movie Mancurian Candidate. There is only one candidate in the race who was a P.O.W. You whisperers should be careful with this charge. 3. E. Burke, the last great conservative, said, “Evil flourishes when good men remain silent.” O.K. he said that in 1775. Let’s add “women”. Lying is “evil” I WILL NOT REMAIN SILENT.

Posted by: R. Wood | October 17, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Never a dull moment with the McCain campaign. I’ve been keeping track of a lot of the propaganda being used, but these “robocalls” are kinda not cool!
http://www.congratstothewinners.com/2008/10/mccain-robocalls.html

Posted by: FriendlyFred | October 17, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

McShame is gone with his dumb parrot!

Posted by: Palin for 2100 | October 17, 2008, 10:06 pm 10:06 pm

Kathy says “If McCain wins it will be by a very small margin and half of the country well have no respect for him.”
If Obama wins it will be by the less than 50% that perpetrated voter fraud with ACORN.
Every single person or group that Obama has associated with hates America. Do you think with Michele (I have never been proud of America) in the Whitehouse things are going to be good?

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:07 pm 10:07 pm

I think McCain is crossing the lines with these calls. They are attempting to frighten voters and there families. I don’t think it is ethical. Why can’t he just talk about the issues? Why is McCain allowing these calls that were made to destroy his run for office years ago with false allegations. Why is he willing to do absolutely anything to win this election? Where are his convictions, standards..priorities?? I think McCain needs to Man Up and stop hiding behind Palins skirt. He needs to stop these people in his party from making these outrageous calls immediately. He needs to take a stand against such behavior. If his campaign is an example of how he’d run the country then we might be in for something awful..if he can’t even control them now. These are the same tactics the Bush campaign folks used in the last two elections. How is McCain going to do anything differently then the Bush administration??

Posted by: momof2 | October 17, 2008, 10:08 pm 10:08 pm

I’ve taken to taking tums all day long. I’ve had it I’ve had it. I am so sick of this constant hate and slander and incitment of fear by McCain and his ignorant rabid mouthed Palin. I certainly don’t want this type of characteristic in my President. Doesn’t McCain realize he is being watched by the whole world also. I just got back a couple weeks ago from Europe and the Netherlands, You get most of our main news channels there also, plus people have the internet. I talked to alot of people including college students and they see McCain as mean and running a sleezy campaign. He is seen as hateful and a divider, without a kind soul. They see Sen. Obama as greatly intelligent,concering the problems of Americans, the world, and it’s people. They find him steady, strong and with a very kind soul. He is already admired for how he has conducted himself during this long campaign. He has humbled himself and continued to fight for the issues that affect the American people. While at the same time taking blows from all the constant personal attacks by the McCain campaign. He takes the blows, but just gets right back up.

Posted by: gabrielle duenat | October 17, 2008, 10:09 pm 10:09 pm

Compliments to Sen. Collins for upholding the (remaining shreds of) integrity of her party. She, and her fellow Sen. from Maine, are Republicans that I have always respected. Sadly, John McCain used to be one of those as well. No more. Apparently to make these robocalls his campaign has hired the SAME COMPANY that made the ones against him in 2000 in S.C. — you know, the ones saying he had an illegitimate black daughter, had been brainwashed while a POW and other lovely messages. How can he live with himself?

Posted by: Elizabeth | October 17, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

R. Wood says “I WILL NOT REMAIN SILENT”
That is good – please also read a bit about the guy you are voting for. Try to get any of his written works, college grades, SAT scores, written works from Harvard law school. Just the stuff you would require of any one else running for the job. What are they hiding? Why can’t we get that stuff?

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:11 pm 10:11 pm

Oh geez, based on his remarks John McCain and family are in the same economic group as I am –not rich(HFS)!
“Republican presidential candidate John McCain’s wife, Cindy, reported $4.2 million in income for 2007, nearly $2 million less than she reported the previous year, according to tax returns released by the McCain campaign Friday. Mrs. McCain, who files her taxes separately from her husband, paid $1.1 million in taxes, a tax rate of about 26 percent. She reported nearly $530,000 in itemized deductions.”

Posted by: Mr. Coffee | October 17, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

– Every single person or group that Obama has associated with hates America. –
Yes, he is just so anti american, just look at all that legislation he has introduced in congress just this session (4 times more than McCain I might add).
How dare he try to improve health care, or allow equal rights.. what nerve he has trying to improve fuel efficiency in vehicles or reduce greenhouse gas emissions.. what the heck is he doing trying to get better benefits for veterans or improving drug quality and testing.
The nerve.

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

It’s Maine. They probably have a statue of Ayers in front of the capitol building.

Posted by: Mack | October 17, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

Did you wonder about the “secret” FBI investigation of ACORN voter registration? Doesn’t each State have a department that is responsible for verifying all applications? Odd how the news about it was leaked just a few weeks before the election. Makes one wonder if maybe George is doing a favor for a friend while he still can.
Actually, why didn’t the FBI ever investigate the known vote stealing fraud in Ohio? Why didn’t they get involved with any of the shenanigans in Florida? This whole issue should be turned over to the special prosecutor investigating Bush’s Attn General’s abuses.

Posted by: Javalation | October 17, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

gabrielle duenat, we are all glad to hear that you are a Euro-artistocrat elitist. What the French press is not getting is that there has been a news black out around Obama – no information released about him or his associates.
Think of Joe the Plumber – news trucks around his house and the media bashing him. Have you seen one truck in front of any of Obama’s associates houses?
How about the news media chasing Rev. Wright down the street? Bill Ayers?

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

To paraphrase Harry Truman’s followers “Give’em Hell Barry” To paraphrase Truman, “Obama is telling the truth and they think it is hell” …………….
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/17/giveem-hell-barry/

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | October 17, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

No one will touch ACORN to avoid the scourge of being called a racist. I think the days of that working are soon coming to an end. Each one of those ACORN administrators should go to jail with the time depending on the amount of fraud they have perpetrated.
In Ohio, people would register and roll over and put in an absentee ballot. Nice, these pals of Obama.

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:24 pm 10:24 pm

GBA – key word their buddy “introduced.” Obviously they didn’t look that great on paper or they would have been passed. Another key word “present.” God forbid he have to take a strong stance on anything. Doesn’t his record matter to anybody? He doesn’t have one.

Posted by: jonesy | October 17, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

Light-headed Sen. Joe,
You’ve chosen your moniker well, I’d say.
You say we should demand:
“written works, college grades, SAT scores, written works from Harvard law school. Just the stuff you would require of any one else running for the job”
Excuse me!
a) when has any of this ever been expected of any candidate for office?
b) you’re on thin ice here: it’s a matter of record that McC graduated damn near the bottom of his class.
If these are your criteria, bring it on!

Posted by: Ellen | October 17, 2008, 10:25 pm 10:25 pm

I heard the audio of the calls- how disgraceful. If McCain were to win, how could he govern after such a slimy campaign. I donated to Obama as soon as I heard about that robo-call.

Posted by: redgirl | October 17, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

GBA – I agree with you. Just look at the books he had written and what his wife says. Of course, we should also ignore the hate filled church he went to as that really has nothing to do with the way he sees the world.

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

>> No one will touch ACORN to avoid the scourge of being called a racist.
“We appreciate Senator McCain’s effort to stir up the Republican base by attacking a community organization working to increase public participation in our democratic process. However, these attacks reflect an increasingly panicked candidate. Unfortunately, the Senator McCain we saw tonight is very different than the Senator McCain who stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN at a February 20, 2006 immigration reform event.
It is clear for us to see that John McCain was for ACORN before he was against ACORN; he was for reform before he was against reform; and he was a maverick before he became erratic. What is really going on here is that Senator McCain and his allies are part of a coordinated effort to engage in what appears to be an unprecedented effort to suppress voter turnout. Repeating a lie doesn’t make it true, and the McCain campaign has resorted to the worst type of deceptions in regards to ACORN.”
http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=12439&tx_ttnewstt_news=22392&tx_ttnewsbackPid=12387&cHash=cde29e8614

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

Ellen – its the Dems that are all giddy that BHO went to Harvard well let’s see what he’s got. Bring it on!

Posted by: jerilyn | October 17, 2008, 10:28 pm 10:28 pm

To all these people who keep insisting on spewing these untruths about Obama’s birth, citizenship, and friends, you must remember one thing: it’s better to keep your mouth shut and seem a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.

Posted by: democratic | October 17, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Light Headed,
Are really THAT gullible or just trying to be sarcastic.
Sarcasm I get. Blogs are full of it.
But to think people actually believe that Obama somehow has orchestrated some form of nationwide attempt to “steal” an election is so ludicrous it’s insulting to anyone with a brain.
Unless they have millions of people with fake ID’s that say Micky Mouse this accusation is just a way to cast doubt on Obama. It’s simply another smear tactic.
GOP lawyers have been making these exact claims in every election for years now. And why is it they ALWAYS make their claims 3 to 4 weeks before the voting starts in highly contested districts? But ACORN registers people year round. Just coincidence right?
They are obviously trying to force courts to create chaos by screwing up the voting process and supressing LEGITIMATE voters. JUST LIKE THEY JUST TRIED IN OHIO TODAY. It happened in FL in 2000 and OH in 2004. And it worked.
Why ACORN? ACORN registers a large number of people who would otherwise not have a voice in our ploitical process. The same people who have been getting screwed by Republican administrations. GOP lawyers know this and don’t want them to vote.
Odd that Sen John McCain praised ACORN for their work as recently as a couple years ago. But now, Candidate McCain is trying to portray them as some “radical fringe” organization perpetuating the largest scandal in American history.
McCain’s hypocracy has reached a new plateau. Sad, he was actually a man of integrity when he ran in 2000. I voted for him. But I would never cast a vote for him and his talking Parrot now. He sold out to the GOP just to get the nomination.

Posted by: Capt McCain and his Talking Parrot | October 17, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Ellen – you are right about thin ice. At what levle did Obama graduate? Have you seen his wifes hate filled essays from Princeton?
Where is the written work from Harvard Law school? To get on Law Review one writes a lot of published papers. Where are they?

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

What is the problem with people having to show identification? I’mean really how much does a state id cost? And you can get it the same day. So if you can register and vote the same day go to the DMV first.

Posted by: acornobama | October 17, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

Hey light head, shouldn’t people be charged with a crime before being put in jail? Or is the the Republican future you guys have planned for all of us? Maybe Bush will have them rendered to Syria, Egypt or another one of his torture chambers, eh?

Posted by: Javalation | October 17, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

McCain and Palin say a lot about themselves when you realize that they have nothing positive to say about themselves.

Posted by: Bev | October 17, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

javalation better then being prosecuted for defending yourself in your home. Obama banned handguns in the City of Chicago. An intruder broke into this man’s home and who is being prosecuted? A man defending his family and home.

Posted by: jerilyn | October 17, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

>> Obviously they didn’t look that great on paper or they would have been passed
Haven’t come up for vote yet.
>> Another key word “present.” God forbid he have to take a strong stance on anything. Doesn’t his record matter to anybody?
130 present votes out of 4000 in Illinois, which is a fairly common vote.
McCain on the other hand has missed more votes in this session of congress than any other senator.. over 64% of them, and Obama has voted more than McCain.
If you are looking for Obama records, they are all online over that the Illinois senate web site, and US Senate records are available at the congressional vote database and library of congress.
http://thomas.loc.gov/
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/
For grins, look at what bills McCain has introduced this session.
He complains about Obama and the 3$ million projector for a planetarium, which could spark a childs imagination and push them towards a scientific career.. what do you think about McCain wanting to create a US boxing association that will cost taxpayers, according to the CBO, $7 million a year ($34 million the first 4 years).

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 10:37 pm 10:37 pm

Capt McCain – you might want to read about the people being driven from polling place to polling place.
Here is one from not far from New Hampshire:
http://www.walb.com/global/story.asp?s=9177991

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

In the late 60′s there was a movie “Shoes of the Fisherman” starring Anthony Quinn. I had just been honorable discharged from the military (during Viet Nam) and I went to see this movie. There was a line in the movie that I have never forgotten and it is so true no when speaking of McCain and it is: “Without love, man withers like a grape on a dying vine”. Every time I look at McCain that line comes to mind as he surely has no love for America or its citizens. How sad.

Posted by: democratic | October 17, 2008, 10:39 pm 10:39 pm

Javalation – yes please charge them with a crime. We have the stacks of illegal registrations. Please charge them, give them a trial, and if guilty put them in jail. Won’t happen.

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

It’s sad how many people who once liked McCain have had to watch him toss his integrity aside to suck up the right wing Christian radicals in our nation.
Both my parents and myself voted for McCain in the primaries in 2000. Once he dropped out, I went to Gore, folks to Bush.
Now all of us are voting Obama. No way we reward the GOP for what they have done over the last 8 years. They have SHREDDED the Constitution, lied to us, and played on our post 9-11 sentiment to pursue their own agendas.
The administration has operated with impunity and has considered itself outside the rule of law.
John McCain supported them every step of the way. The times he did “stand up to his party” means nothing now since he just reversed his positions to fall back in line.
And McCain’s choice of Sarah Palin was not only the final insult, but it certainly was not made based on ability or who would be best for the nation.
“Maverick” McCain was killed by “Candidate” McCain

Posted by: Fallen "Hero" | October 17, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

Excuse, Jerilyn, but I frankly don’t care where Mr. Obama went to college or what “levle” he was, his intelligence shines and the majority of Americans, not unintelligent folks, are recognizing this, whether you like it or not.
And as for you, Mr. Dimwit Lightbulbhead: you know not whereof you speak. You don’t get on law review by way of published papers. Law review editors are student, for chrissake. And as to your rants about missing student papers: nothing that we wrote in college is part of the public record, but you’d have no way to know that, would you?

Posted by: Ellen | October 17, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

>> Where is the written work from Harvard Law school? To get on Law Review one writes a lot of published papers. Where are they?
Over at Harvard.. They released his transcripts back in 2005 and much of his work is archived. It’s just that some people don’t care or have a desire to go look and just want to find reasons to justify their position, regardless of how irrational it may be.

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

Light-head – how hard have you tried to locate those papers?
I have read Michelle Obama’s thesis at Princeton. And I heard her speech.
In context, none of what she said was anti-American. Her paper assessed history, and how the future could be better. You DID read the whole thing, right?
And the statement about being proud of America said nothing about her love for the country. I love my children, but not everything they do make me proud.

Posted by: 4akinderworld | October 17, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

1) I used to be a Republican. I’m now registered as an Independent and have been for many years. I no longer recognize the Republican party. It has no honor, integrity, or desire to try to do what’s best for America and Americans.
2)The comparisons above of whose ads are the most negative fail to recognize that Obama’s negative ads are focused on McCain’s policies and positions. Their purpose is to attempt to compare the candidates’ positions. McCain’s negative ads, on the other hand, are direct character attacks that are full of lies, falsehoods, and innuendos. They are designed to create doubt and fear.
3) I resent the implication of many (Rep. Michelle Bachman of Minnesota being only the latest) that because one is “liberal” one is anti-American or unpatriotic. This is very dangerous language and reflects profound ignorance of this nation’s history. In fact, it is the height of anti-Americanism to label those trying to make America an even better place for their children and grandchildren as “anti-American” or “unpatriotic.”

Posted by: DiscriminatingVoter | October 17, 2008, 10:43 pm 10:43 pm

democratic – you can claim that John McCain has no love in his heart – I hguess you are saying for people or country. You might want to watch how interacts with his kids and his adopted kid. Especially that adopted kid just love this guy.
He is tough. He is walking scar tissue. A guy dead with hate – even Ted Kennedy would not say that. Look at the work Ted Kennedy and McCain did together. You can hate him for that if you want. It will not stop him – or Joe the Plumber.

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm

I just went to nebraskavoice and the vote is Obama 116 votes and McCain 105.

Posted by: KathyJ | October 17, 2008, 10:46 pm 10:46 pm

GBA – no all of his records are sealed. What rank did he graduate at Columbia? Simple stuff – all sealed.

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

I know what BHO did vote on – to increase middle class taxes. Not anymore though, right. Cause we need Change. I changed my mind. He’s thjnking people are so dumb right now I can sell them anything and they’ll buy it. And you will with his big tax cut he’s going to give you. Should he win – I wouldn’t think of moving. I have to stick around to watch how comical this gets. From the time that Ayers introduces him to Wright blessing the White House.

Posted by: jonesy | October 17, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

Death threats and vandalism against ACORN
That’s the Palin syndrome. McCain does nothing.
Where are the big high black boots and the swastikas?
Congressman Lewis was right. He was just 4 days early.
The Nazi’s are in town now. No one’s safe.
VOTE.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | October 17, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

He complains about Obama and the 3$ million projector for a planetarium, which could spark a childs imagination and push them towards a scientific career.. what do you think about McCain wanting to create a US boxing association that will cost taxpayers, according to the CBO, $7 million a year ($34 million the first 4 years).
—————————-
Hahahaha
That’s funny! To bad Obama didn’t bring that up in the debate.

Posted by: Ali vs Frazier | October 17, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

McCain = DISHONORABLE; Palin = SCARY!!!

Posted by: Howard Gallas | October 17, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

light headed Joe Biden said “We have the stacks of illegal registrations. Please charge them, give them a trial, and if guilty put them in jail. Won’t happen.”
++++++++++++++++
As you may know, in many states they are obligated to turn in ALL forms that they have collected, and as I understand it they frequently separated the ones that they were suspicious of.
In any event, every state has a voter registration dept whose job it is to check them all out, and can the ones that don’t measure up. Just because Mickey Mouse applies to vote doesn’t mean that he will vote.

Posted by: Javalation | October 17, 2008, 10:49 pm 10:49 pm

Ali vs Frazier
Careful. If you use Mohammad Ali’s name in your ID, the Pubs will brand you as a terrorist. They fear those gosh darn muslims ya know?

Posted by: Rachel in NC | October 17, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

“Without love, man withers like a grape on a dying vine”. Every time I look at McCain that line comes to mind as he surely has no love for America or its citizens. How sad.
Posted by: democratic | Oct 17, 2008 10:39:47 PM
That’s how he got into the panties of so many women while he was still married, including apparently, the rich one.
Its all about conquest with him. Love has nothing to do with him.

Posted by: Bruce Becker | October 17, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Congressman Lewis is a thug. Probably not as bad as ACORN. ACORN has a wing that marches into business and intimidates them. Do you think the Rev Wright liberation theology are into philosophic debate? How about Ayers blowing people up because he did not like what they think?
The real fascist threat is from the left. Do you see any geriatric republicans going out to scare people into voting “their way”?

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:55 pm 10:55 pm

Global warming is just the end of days.
Pray for the construction of a pipeline.
The Iraq war is God’s will
Dinosaurs were really Jesus ponies.

Posted by: Remind You of Anyone? | October 17, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

I am glad we are talking – have a good night everyone.

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | October 17, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

lightheaded
All I see is one angry old man who is displaying erratic behavior and encourages his party to levels of hate mongering that should be stopped. I don’t care how loving he is at home as he hasn’t shown any of that during this campaign.

Posted by: democratic | October 17, 2008, 10:58 pm 10:58 pm

Lost all respect for McCain I had left. Dishonorable, Senile, Old Whiney Man.
Plumber didn’t get vetted and neither did his VP pick. Spits on floor in church and speaks in tongues. So ignorant she can’t even speak to any news media but biased Fox which needs to lose their license. I would be ashamed to be an American if we had someone that could lie and spread false rumors about a mans character. USA hates telemarket’s calling and MCCain just blew any hope at all for USA Pres. Go to Alaska and buy your 9th house and take that slime with you.

Posted by: sue | October 17, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

How far McCain has descended, it’s pathetic. The jingoism is disgusting and repulsive, his rabble rousing sidekick takes the cake.
It’s time for the good republicans, the REAL republicans to gather together and take back their party.

Posted by: Disgruntled | October 17, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm

– Do you see any geriatric republicans going out to scare people into voting “their way”? –
Yes.. just watch any one of McCains current television ads.

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

@ Obamacrat for McCain
I always like people that lie through statistics. Just because Republicans believe that Fox is unbiased and Democrats recognize that all news coverage is biased one way or another, your elided quote just demonstrates one way to interpret it.

Posted by: Greg | October 17, 2008, 11:02 pm 11:02 pm

Just 11 days after next month’s election, the University of Illinois-Chicago professor, William Ayers, is scheduled to speak at a student research conference held by the UNL College of Education and Human Science.
Gov. Dave Heineman released a statement saying that UNL leaders should not allow Ayers, a 1960s radical-turned-professor at the University of Illinois, to talk during a campus event on Nov. 15.
“Chairman of the Board of Regents Chuck Hassebrook and President of the University J.B. Milliken should immediately rescind the invitation extended to Bill Ayers to speak at the University,” the governor said. “This is an embarrassment to the University of Nebraska and the State of Nebraska. Bill Ayers is a well known radical who should never have been invited to the University of Nebraska.”
Meanwhile, Sen. Ben Nelson, D-Nebraska, today said in a statement that he is disappointed that UNL invited William Ayers to speak on campus Nov. 15.
“His past involvement in a violent protest group and incendiary comments are not consistent with the agenda of unity that we need in America today,” Nelson said. “I encourage the university to reconsider this decision.”

Posted by: jerilyn | October 17, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

Light headed, You are certainly named correctly.
Michele Obama said that for the first time in her adult life she was REALLY proud of America, NOT because her husband was doing well but because people were ready for change.
So please check your lies and don’t foist them on the rest of us.

Posted by: KathyJ | October 17, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

Alinsky’s teachings influenced Barack Obama in his early career as a community organizer on the far South Side of Chicago
Alinsky outlines his strategy in organizing, writing in the prologue,
“There’s another reason for working inside the system. Dostoevski said that taking a new step is what people fear most. Any revolutionary change must be preceded by a passive, affirmative, non-challenging attitude toward change among the mass of our people. They must feel so frustrated, so defeated, so lost, so futureless in the prevailing system that they are willing to let go of the past and change the future. This acceptance is the reformation essential to any revolution. To bring on this reformation requires that the organizer work inside the system, among not only the middle class but the 40 per cent of American families – more than seventy million people – whose income range from $5,000 to $10,000 a year [in 1971]. They cannot be dismissed by labeling them blue collar or hard hat. They will not continue to be relatively passive and slightly challenging. If we fail to communicate with them, if we don’t encourage them to form alliances with us, they will move to the right. Maybe they will anyway, but let’s not let it happen by default.”

Posted by: msa123 | October 17, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

I immediately called the RNC (number provided in the robo call) and expressed my EXTREME displeasure at getting this call. The lady told me they could not take my name off the list for 6 – 8 weeks! I always tell telemarketers to put me on the Do Not Call List. How is it that the RNC is above that law….am I going to get MORE of these??? It was a very upsetting experience to get that call. I’m in southeast Ohio, a battleground area in a battleground state. This is so creepy….like my privacy is being invaded and I have NO recourse.

Posted by: Liffa | October 17, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

I have several questions for all Obama supporters. I done some research, and watched the video tapes of the following individuals…Louis Farrakhan, Muammar Gadhafi and Chavez. Why are these three radicals suppporting Obama and all call him either their Messiah or stating “Along came a black citizen of Kenyan, African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in a Islamic school in Indoesia. His name is Obama. All the people in the Arab & Islamic world and in Africa applaud this man. They welcome him & pray for him and for his success and they may have even geen involved in legitimate contributions campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency.” You can go to MEMRITV.org to watch Gadhafi talk about Obama on 6/11/08. then you have Farrakhan at a convention in Sept. 2008 “in the Name of Allah, Saviours Day 2008″ I quote “Obama- the change is when the messiah speaks and the youth listens. And the Messiah Obama has spoken. Hails Barrack Hussein Obama.” All three have referred to Obama as a muslim. Now what I have been told by people of the muslim faith, that they will only refer to an individual as a muslim if they practice their muslim faith.
So far I have found more links to radicals, terriorist,& dictators to Obama and supporting Obama than John McCain. Neither candidate is clean but you can make up your own mind…a person that the world like Libyia, Venezuela, Cuba, Hamas, Russia want to see as President or a person that the socialist/communist fear….

Posted by: 55Mariposa | October 17, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

To: NebraskaVoice,
You are one of the main reasons I moved out of Nebraska (aside from the sucky weather)!
CE in Sunny Scottsdale, AZ
OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!!

Posted by: ceinscottsdale | October 17, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

Hey,
Just give John a call: he left his phone number: 202-863-8500
Tell him to put you on the Do Not Disturb List.

Posted by: Joseph Barnas | October 17, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

It’s not like we didn’t know that McStain was scum. He’s an admitted baby killer who threw his illegitimate black daughter under the bus when he made nice with Bush and hired the Rove machine.

Posted by: CranialRectalLoopback | October 17, 2008, 11:16 pm 11:16 pm

Lightbrain,
You call John Lewis a thug; John McCain calls him an American hero.
I *dare* you to say anything to defend the unAmerican creeps yelling “kill him!” at Palin rallies.
Where, sir, is your sense of outrage? Where is your moral compass? Are you an American or are you not?

Posted by: Ellen | October 17, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

My God Light Head you got it!
There are a bunch of pipe hittin’ harcore mofo’s at ACORN that go after executives with a pair of pliers and a blow torch. That’s exactly how they work.
And the REVEREND Wright is truly a threat to out nation isn’t he? He’s a crazy ni**** ain’t he? We can’t be allowing that free speech stuff in our America! He just happens to have multiple degrees and speaks five languages fluently, but he’s obviously a nut. He EVEN said God damn America once. Oh No! Words! He must be evil. There could never be a reason that in the context of a sermon there would be a need to make a point in a dramtic way. So no need to try and understand what obvioulsy frightens you ok?
And did Ayres “blow up” anyone? His group blew up some buildings 40 years ago. (And gave warnings prior to doing so) He was protesting a war that was so wrong it just about ripped our country apart. The government was flat out lying to it’s citizens. (Wow, THAT sounds familiar doesn’t it?) And though Ayres has gone on to help his community, not exploit it in the Republican way, it’s much easier to over simplify everything into all inclusive definitions. So he’s just a “terrorist”.
Wow, now I get you completely.

Posted by: Small Minds Need Simple Concepts | October 17, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Cranial/Rectal,
I take respectful exception to your tone. There’s no need to talk about McCain’s “illegitimate black daughter” here. The story that should make us all weep is that the man whom Rove/Bush slimed in this way has now sunk to the same low level.

Posted by: Ellen | October 17, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

McCain can keep digging his own grave, but there is no reason for him to take a very effective Maine Senator with him. Collins is extremely well liked in Maine, she is moderate, she has served Maine well, and she should have an easy reelection despite the Democratics throwing a lot of money into the race. McCain doesn’t need to screw it up for her and if he doesnt’ suspend the calls, she should resign just to show him.
The Robo calls and most of the crap that Palin-McCain are engaged in is insulting to the electorate. Their strategy depends on people being so ill-informed that they won’t know they are being bombarded with lies. That’s not exactly leadership.

Posted by: Michele in Maine | October 17, 2008, 11:23 pm 11:23 pm

Michele,
I agree with you. Voters should have the sense and courage to honor and re-elect honorable Republicans like Sen. Collins by splitting their ballots. It’s a great American tradition. No need to throw out a baby with the scummy McCain/Palin bathwater.

Posted by: Ellen | October 17, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

>> The Robo calls and most of the crap
>> that Palin-McCain are engaged in is
>> insulting to the electorate. Their
>> strategy depends on people being so
>> ill-informed that they won’t know they
>> are being bombarded with lies. That’s
>> not exactly leadership.
Exactly.. and last time such tactics were used, we wound up with Bush.
Fortunately, the intelligent people in this country are not falling for it again.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/108043/Candidate-Support-Education.aspx

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Knock it off, McCain. You campaign of sleaze and lies and hatred is doing America no good. Stop Hurting America, McCain.

Posted by: donna | October 17, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

Todd Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party for seven years–just how patriotic is that, Sarah?
And what kind of mom is the hockey mom who spends her days lying, lying, lying for McCain? Setting a great example, mom.

Posted by: Beth | October 17, 2008, 11:30 pm 11:30 pm

“I need you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face”-Barack Obama.
Sounds to me like the McCain campaign has taken a page from the master with those robo calls.
Did someone above REALLY say that the Weather Underground ensured the safety of those around them while they built a BOMB?
It was a NAIL BOMB…what on earth do you think nails in bombs are for other than to cause injury and/or death?
If memory serves me, that bomb was to be set off at an NCO dance at Ft. Dix. And these Libs have the gall to say that Gov. Palin is scary?
Oh, and of course, blow off the actual deaths and injuries caused by the Weather Underground in their various escapades…or, is this all just ‘guilt by association’ on the part of Ayers and Dohrn?
Man, some really sick people out there. They haven’t shaken hands with Mr. Sanity in ages from the looks of things.
Senator Government/Biden/ACORN ’08
Vote Early-Vote Often

Posted by: Grand Old Party | October 17, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm

I used to respect Senator McCain a few years back when he was still a decent person. Now he acts and talks like he has to win this election at any cost. FYI, I heard a caller today in Wisconsin said that people were fooled by the lies McCain portrayed himself to be, and that McCain is not a hero for this caller. The caller said,
McCain while flying and bombing in Vietnam, he had killed thousands of innocent civilians due to his careless and arrogant attitudes by flying above 20,000 miles. Of course, the media does not want to dig back that far.
I believe American is the best nation in the world, well it used to be,
but to have someone like Sarah the Clown going around the country and claims that only [Her] race and/or her supporters team is pro-American is purely racist and un-human period.
I was so shock to hear McCain said on one TV interviews that he is always 100% honest. That line, not even God and/or Jesus Christ dare to utter.
Only God and the real people in this country can save this country from being worse, but I am afraid that there are too many fools are not smart enough to realize how bad we have lost our respect from the world, not only in education but in our so-called democracy.
May God forgive America and help us unit this country for the sake of our founders and our sinless future generations to come.

Posted by: Peter | October 17, 2008, 11:34 pm 11:34 pm

Posted by: GBA | October 17, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

McCain is truly deranged. He has lost all sense of rationality. Even his fellow Repubs struggling in their own Senate and Congressional races are begging him to stop this madness as it is dragging them down into the gutter or they happen to have some degree of moral character and conscience and do not want to be associated with his smear gutter tactics. Does anyone out there know of anything McCain would NOT do, to get elected? JOHN MCCAIN WHO WAS ONCE RESPECTED FOR HIS POW HERO EXPERIENCE HAS DISHONORED HIMSELF AN HIS PARTY WITH HIS CAMPAIGN OF RACISM, HATRED, AND LIES. SHAME ON YOU, JOHN MCCAIN. YOU HAVE DISGRACED ALL THOSE THAT HAVE FOUGHT AND SERVED THIS COUNTRY WITH YOUR UGLY CONDUCT THAT VIOLATES ALL THE PRINCIPLES AND IDEALS THAT OUR GREAT COUNTRY IS FOUNDED UPON. SHAME!!!!!

Posted by: mailani808 | October 17, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

Thank you, GBA…I agree wholeheartedly. The aggression of the Hanoi government backed by the Communist world to destroy and enslave South Vietnam was indeed an illegal act rather like when North Korea invaded South Korea.
Hey, that Ayers isn’t such a bad guy after all!

Posted by: Grand Old Party | October 17, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

This is from Washington Poster Editorial for endorsing Sen. Obama for president: “We think he is the right man for a perilous moment.”

Posted by: leighg1 | October 17, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

Posted by: Sarah | October 17, 2008, 11:50 pm 11:50 pm

The robo calls aren’t the only thing disgusting. Have you seen Michelle Bachmann on “Hardball”? Liberals are leftist anti-Americans and congress should be investigated for anti-Americanism. Another GOP nutcase! http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27243547#27243547

Posted by: Ticked Voter | October 17, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

Hmmm, reminds me of another Socialist in another country long ago who took power because of the desperation of his people seeking stability at any cost, and another one who did, after all, make the trains run on time.

Posted by: Grand Old Party | October 17, 2008, 11:52 pm 11:52 pm

– The aggression of the Hanoi government backed by the Communist world to destroy and enslave South Vietnam was indeed an illegal act rather like when North Korea invaded South Korea. –
Looks like someone hasn’t shaken hands with Mr. Sanity in ages from the looks of things.
Amazing that some people have no problems sending our troops in so we can play the worlds policeman, killing thousands of our brave service men doing so, yet have a rabid disdain and opposition to domestic social issues that would benefit Americans?

Posted by: Concerned American | October 17, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

Obama was against FISA, but he voted for it. So how can I believe, and how can anyone believe this guy, what ever he say now?

Posted by: Joe | October 17, 2008, 11:55 pm 11:55 pm

From the remarkable endorsement from the conservative editors of the Chicago Tribune (who have observed Sen. Obama at close range for years):
On Nov. 4 we’re going to elect a president to lead us through a perilous time and restore in us a common sense of national purpose.
The strongest candidate to do that is Sen. Barack Obama. The Tribune is proud to endorse him today for president of the United States….
We have tremendous confidence in his intellectual rigor, his moral compass and his ability to make sound, thoughtful, careful decisions. He is ready.

Posted by: Ellen | October 17, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm

– Obama was against FISA, but he voted for it. So how can I believe, and how can anyone believe this guy, what ever he say now? –
McCain was for immigration reform, even co-sponsoring the legislation.. only to turn around and say he would vote against it.. how can I believe, and how can anyone believe this guy, what ever he say now?

Posted by: Concerned American | October 17, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

Ayers finally get the recognition he deserves! What a guy!
http://www.ketv.com/news/17742770/detail.html

Posted by: dydx | October 17, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

McCain pushed for years against torture, fighting for years to get it limited to what was defined in the US Army Field Manual. Yet, even after he finally got that included into the legislation, he voted against it when it came to vote.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/02/16/mccain_drops_the_torture_ball/

Posted by: GBA | October 18, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

Democrat and Republicans in Nebraska know better than to be associated with Ayers.

Posted by: dydx | October 18, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am

I see on Drudge that a woman was attacked in New York for supporting McCain. A little girl was called a racist in Florida because she was wearing a McCain t-shirt. The democrats have become the worst of fascists.

Posted by: dydx | October 18, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Hey, dydx,
you and your Nebraska friends don’t need to worry about Bill Ayers coming anywhere near you.
He’s a college professor in my neighborhood, was Chicago Citizen of the year for 1997, and pals around with Republicans and pillars of the community. That board he and Obama served on was funded by a Ronald Reagan Republican and full of establishment types who never bombed anything or ever, ever voted Democratic.
Shocking and scandalous, isn’t it?

Posted by: Ellen | October 18, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

Excuse me, dydx,
any reports of Democrats yelling “kill him” at their rallies?
Get real.

Posted by: Ellen | October 18, 2008, 12:14 am 12:14 am

Just surfin around on abc news. There sure is alot of reporting and investigating on Cindy McCain but Michelle Obama has dropped off the radar. Where is she?

Posted by: just curious | October 18, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

I have no ‘rabid disdain’ for social issues. I have a problem with the PTB that want to perpetuate social problems so they can keep their jobs.
There was (once upon a time, I think, I’ve never seen it, though) a healthy discourse concerning the extent of the role of the Federal government in our lives. Sometimes more is needed, sometimes less. The welfare of the American people should be the focus.
It is indeed American, Christian and moral to help those in need. No problem there. But the huge bureaucracy in D.C. seems to really help few. I suspect that they want these problems to go on so they will have jobs.
I’m for trying something new…and if it doesn’t work, then try something else. No problem there. But, clinging to failed social programs just because some folks say they’re ‘the right thing to do’ is just not rational and certainly not good for those they purportedly help.
That’s one reason I like McCain. He strikes me as someone not afraid to take risks to find solutions.
Obama is not out to destroy, the U.S. anymore than President Bush is/was…those are ridiculous arguments.
This is a great country, and it didn’t get there through Socialism. But it didn’t get there by not building up infrastructure, public education, and the ideal of helping one’s neighbor. You can’t give people something for nothing anymore than you can confer an education on someone, or like the Wizard of Oz giving the Tin Man a heart.
People have to have their own dreams, not those of Washington’s.

Posted by: Grand Old Party | October 18, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am

Ellen I’m in Chicago also and not everybody here paints Ayers as you do. A little repentance would be nice. A simple I was young and stupid.

Posted by: donna | October 18, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am

Ellen – the secret service says that no one yelled kill him at that rally. Must have been a report submitted by an ACORN volunteer. You should get real.

Posted by: dydx | October 18, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am

Ayers and Bernadine should be in jail. They tried to burn a judge, his wife, and their children to death.

Posted by: dydx | October 18, 2008, 12:30 am 12:30 am

Donna,
I’d also consider that appropriate from Ayers as well, but the point is that this man has been welcomed into the bipartisan bosom of the city. If touching him contaminates Obama, it contaminates large portions of the Chicago establishment, conservative as well as liberal. The demonic Ayers connection has been vastly overplayed.

Posted by: Ellen | October 18, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am

McCain is reckless, has no honor. At the last debate he said he did not like the negative of the campaign, bot he is backing this negative phone message. He is the lier that people said he was. Palin is worse, for a woman she has no shame , she lies and all that comes out of her mouth is hate words. Now she calls us un-patriotic. Who is she to say so when she goes and talks at the Alaska Independence Party meetings.This people hate American’s. Her husband was part of it all.Look it up and read.

Posted by: Betsy | October 18, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am

your source, dydx? Numerous reporters heard it. Why haven’t McCain/Palin condemned such statements outright?

Posted by: Ellen | October 18, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am

Ellen – try google:
http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/15066
Glad to see that the people in Nebraska are smart enough to not associate with Ayers. Why isn’t the media following this bum around?

Posted by: dydx | October 18, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

By the way McCain has always condemned hate speech – he jumps right in – he is an active guy – Obama sees activity as being erratic.
Obama let Lewis’s racist comments stand.

Posted by: dydx | October 18, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

The McCain campaign has become a shameful display of desperation.

Posted by: Julianne | October 18, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

Just in case you’re new here – someone here (posing as several) has about 20 browsers opened up on his old IBM tower PC and is posting all of this anti-Obama stuff on every single political blog here, CNN and MSNBC. Oh ya, and even Alaska Daily News. Its the same person – after you’ve been here for a while you will just IGNORE like the rest of us. You can spot him a mile a way by his screen names (usually female or ‘independent something’ or ‘former dem’ or a european name). The same cut & paste blah blah as well as spelling and grammar patterns – so obvious.

Posted by: lily | October 18, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am

So John McCain is now hoping for an October surprise.
This is how John McPOW believe will win the White House :
http://www.infowars.com/?p=5385

Posted by: skyglider2008 | October 18, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

“Poor Joe the Plumber”….the average American just like you and me. He asked a legitimate question and now is being crucified for it by the press! He has a dream of being a business owner! What’s wrong with that…he shouldn’t have been investigated…his personal issues displayed for the whole country to see….he just asked a question! He did get an answer…and because it was something the Obama organization didn’t want Americans to hear he is getting a bad wrap. He shouldn’t be going through this! No American should be… for asking a question. Is this going to happen every time an American questions things? This is a “Free” Country…or is it? Is this going to be how it will be in the future…..America wake up!

Posted by: San diego, Ca | October 18, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am

The Boston Herald
October 11, 2008
It is what it is: Obama allied with scoundrels
In the best tradition of Bill Clinton’s declaration that the answer to the question of whether he was having an affair depended on “what the definition of is is,” Sen. Barack Obama was clearly concealing the truth when he said that William Ayers was “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood.”
The Ayers-Obama connection was, in fact, an intimate collaboration that it led to the only executive or administrative experience in Obama’s life.
After Walter Annenberg’s foundation offered several hundred million dollars to American public schools in the mid-’90s, Ayers applied for $50 million for Chicago. His purpose was to “raise political consciousness” in schools.
After he won the grant, Ayers’ group chose Obama to distribute the $50 million, and the future senator raised another $60 million from other civic groups to augment it. In doing so, he was following Ayers’ admonition to grant the funds to “external” organizations, like American Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), to pair with schools and conduct programs to radicalize and politicize the students.
Reading, math and science achievement tests counted for little in the grants, but the school’s success in preaching a radical agenda determined how much money it got.
Obama should have run screaming at the sight of Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon, and his wife was imprisoned for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink’s car in which two police were killed. Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times [NYT], in September 2001, that he wished he “could have done more.” Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegal wiretaps. He was, in fact, guilty as sin.
So let’s sum up Obama’s Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to prison. His spiritual adviser was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of “God damn America” fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job is former terrorist Ayers.
Not a good recommendation for a president.
© The Boston Herald and Herald Media.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1124922

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

dyxx oops dydx

Posted by: lily | October 18, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am

Forget the Robo calls. Focus on the facts. Go to: http://www.atr.org/ and enter your 401K value to immediately see how the candidates plan effect your retirement.

Posted by: 401K Facts - Forget the Robo | October 18, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am

The O-man may have repudiated Ayers’ activities when the O-man was eight years old, but I seem to have missed the O-man repudiating Ayers’ 2001 comment that “I regret we didn’t do enough [bombing]“. When did he repudiate the most recent expression of Ayers’ anarchistic viewpoint? Frankly, ABC, it is getting a little old, your steadfast defense of Obama’s poor judgement in choice of associates.

Posted by: jcarob | October 18, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am

People change. What Ayers did 40 years ago was foolish youthful rebellion. The man is 60 years old now. Never convicted and never went to jail.
A judge’s house was not targeted. That is another lie. Also, Weather Underground members did not kill innocent Americans. The only one’s killed were the Weather Underground terrorists themselves who detonated a bomb. Ayers was chosen the City of Chicago’s Citizen of the Year and is a noted and respected professor who has written teacher manuals and handbooks used in every state in American. Scary, huh.
If he is so dangerous why isn’t he on the FBIs Most Wanted list?
McCain’s crooked associates actually went to jail… Charles Keating and the rest.

Posted by: Rev. IKE | October 18, 2008, 1:24 am 1:24 am

I can’t believe Sarah Palin called certain parts of the country UnAmerican. Look at the words she used. Pro American, Real Americans, and Best of America. What kind of Right Wing nut is Sarah Palin to be running for VP and insulting the same folks she wants to vote for her. I guess its only Obama supporters or anybody who doesn’t support their robo calls and low road campaign tactics. I think the media is taking this too lightly. Sarah Palin during a fund raiser said that only certain parts of the country are patriotic and real Americans and she’s running to be VP and proberly president. Thats very alarming and I think she needs to explain exactly which part of America does she think is UnAmerican or less patriotic. This is starting to become a narrative. On Chris Mathews today congresswoman Michelle Bockwman said that congress should be integregated on who’s American and anti-American. Now Sarah Palin is stating that only certain parts of America are Pro America. This follows 3 weeks of attacks from the Mccain/Palin campaign that questioned Obama’s patriotism. The republicans and Mccain/Palin campaign should be questioned about their patriotism its the Republican party that has made the economy worst with their deregulation and their Right Wing policies for the rich. Its the Republican Party that has us in 2 wars thats costing us Billions a month. How patriotic is the Republican Pary when the leader of their Party is leaving the country with 2 wars with no resolution, 11 trillion in debt, and a economy in turmoil? Their the ones if anybody who’s patriotism should be in quesion. I think if Mccain/Palin were in the White House the country would be worst with their radical Right Wing beliefs and their decisive nature. KEEP MCCAIN/PALIN OUT OF THE WHITE HOUSE. WHY HASN’T THE MEDIA ASK MCCAIN ABOUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH GORDON LIDEY? IT TOOK DAVID LETTERMAN A NIGHT SHOW COMEDIAN TO GIVE MCCAIN A REAL INTERVIEW. THE MOST EFFECTIVE INTERVIEW MCCAIN HAS HAD THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN.

Posted by: madkeyra | October 18, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

Well, I guess the proof will be in the pudding. If we are complacent, and we do not vote for Obama, we silently agree with McCain and the Rovian machine.
I am voting for Obama. More over, I am voting Democratic. If the GOP ever gets back to decency, well, things would be different, wouldn’t they?

Posted by: LiberalTarian | October 18, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am

Natasha, you and the Boston Globe got your facts wrong. What you just printed is lies. A man who committed such heinous acts would have spent years in jail. Ayers was never even convicted. Stop spewing what someone else wrote.

Posted by: Rev. IKE | October 18, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

Lily wrote: (in 20 different blogs: “…blah blah blah…”
————————————-
To Lily and all Obama supporters (clowns):
I suggest that when you decide to write under a half a dozen different names per blog (i.e. Sandy, Concerned American, etc) you change your IP once in a while!
We know how the Obama Machine works. Stop misleading people that it is the McCain people doing this.
Has it cross your mind that people who post here and other blogs could also be the moderators of the respective blogs? Please be aware that moderators do have access to your IP addresses.
(speaking about naive Obama puppets!!!).

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

McCain get before the tv cameras and portray himself to be the one who is being attacked but in essence he is the one dealing dirty under the table, its Obama who is on the defense. If anything bad happen to Obama, McCain will be the one held responsible.
Inciting riots landed people in jail at the high school I attended.
I believe republicans were the ones running around asking people to vote more than once in Ohio. Instead of interviewing and televising the people who were the victims of registering more than one time, interview and televise the individual people who registered them. I’m sure you will find the undercover perpetraters who were the cause of this circus. We all know that Obama would never stoop that low. Thats more than I can say for McCain.
We all know that republicans have been in Ohio’s camp. The two republican students who were interviewed and televised by Fox News, asking people if they were telling people who to vote for. That was a joke because we all tell people who to vote for. That does not mean that they are going to do what we tell them to do. Who doesn’t do that? Those students no doubt, will be a good place to start in searching for the culprints who were running around in a mad rush to get people to vote more than one time. What in the world could be gained by Obama from doing something unintelligent like that? At one of McCain rallys, he admitted by saying, “we got them where we want them”. Ya’ll get real People Please.

Posted by: Lydia | October 18, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am

Obama will win despite the racist lies. The polls indicate he is ahead. Plus, the more Palin and McCain talk, the more the American public sees what idiots they are.

Posted by: Luckey Lucy | October 18, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am

Natasha, you and the Boston Globe got your facts wrong. What you just printed is lies. A man who committed such heinous acts would have spent years in jail. Ayers was never even convicted. Stop spewing what someone else wrote.
Posted by: Rev. IKE
————————————
Ahaha..ha! The Boston Herald is lying about the “Messiah Obama”!!!!
I suggest that you write to The Boston Herald – not the Boston Globe (obviously you could not even get the newspaper correct) and tell them how you feel.
Typical Obama puppet… You have been brainwashed by the left-wing-liberal “24-hour-news-for-dummies-networks”!

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am

The Washington Times
VOIGHT: My concerns for America
Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people
We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.
Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.
The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.
Those same leaders who were in the streets in the ’60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.
Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we’ve almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.
If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there’s not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.
Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.
This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.
Jon Voight is an Academy Award-winning actor who is well-known for his humanitarian work.
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am

Natasha: Shut up you Loser.
McCain and Palin have some nerve! The country’s falling apart and they want to talk about some 60s loser who was never convicted of anything and hardly knows Obama. Bill Ayers a professor of Education and UIC the same college Obama was a professor of Consitutional Law. Ayers was an aide to mayor Daley on Education issues and Obama had to deal with him on education issues, big deal! Now lets talk about Palin and the AIP, a party that wants Alaska to break away from the US. They so hate the US that their leader had himself burried in Canada. The AIP had their convention in Palins hometown last year and she gave the keynote address!
Then there’s McCain the man who did commit treason in Nam, worked with the enemy making anti-American films.
How many died because of his treason? The ones that kept their honor are the real hero’s. I will not hold his treason against him because he was tortured, but it sure as hell dosen’t make you fit to be president.
Add to this the other acts of betryal by McCain, the dumping of his wife and kids. The bribe taking with Charles Keating and Bud Paxson, which was a betryal of his office and country.
Its no wonder Republicans can’t catch Osama, their idea of a terrorist is some old crusty 60s reject!

Posted by: Luckey Lucy | October 18, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am

Good for you, Senator Collins! A woman of good sense and ethical sensibilities. I congratulate you – and I’ll watch your continued career in the Senate with interest. You show commendable courage in bucking the tide of McCain’s campaign which is behaving disgracefully.

Posted by: mwestorca | October 18, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am

This presentation is a must watch for the left-wing-liberal media clowns and all “morally sound” American fellows.
A VIDEO PORTRAIT OF BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
AMERICA THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

John Voight Statement!??
A man whose own children, including daugher Angelina Jolie, won’t have anything to do with him and havent spoken to him in years. He also hasnt made a decent film in years. LOL!!!
Natasha you fool.

Posted by: Rev. Ike | October 18, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

John McCain Plan-A:
Joe the Plumber
John McCain Plan-B:
http://www.infowars.com/?p=5385

Posted by: skyglider2008 | October 18, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am

I can not understand how intelligent people can vote for McCain. Opps, I’m sorry, they are not intelligent people, they are what has become of the republican party. Never mind.

Posted by: The Unshrub | October 18, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am

This presentation is a must watch for the left-wing-liberal media clowns and all “morally sound” American fellows.
A VIDEO PORTRAIT OF BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
AMERICA THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am

Posted by: skyglider2008 | October 18, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Thanks Lucy for shutting Natasha down.
But you left out Cindy McCain, who stole drugs from her own charity and forged the names of doctors on her prescriptions. One doctor lost his license. She would turn the White Housei into a crack house.
I’m glad she will never get a chance to do that.

Posted by: Cindy Lou Who | October 18, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

The New York Times trashes Obama’s Health Care Plan…
Health Plan From Obama Spurs Debate
By KEVIN SACK
It is one of the most audacious promises in a campaign that has been thick with them.
In speech after speech, Senator Barack Obama has vowed that he will lower the country’s health care costs enough to “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.” Moreover, Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has promised that his health plan will be in place “by the end of my first term as president of the United States.”
Whether Mr. Obama can deliver is a matter of considerable dispute among health analysts and economists. While there is consensus that the American health care system is bloated with waste, eliminating enough to save $2,500 per family would require simultaneous and synergistic solutions to a host of problems that have proved intractable for decades.
Even if the next president and Congress can muster the political will, analysts question whether significant savings would materialize in as little as four years, or even in 10. But as Mr. Obama confronts an electorate that is deeply unsettled by escalating health costs, he is offering a precise “chicken in every pot” guarantee based on numbers that are largely unknowable. Furthermore, it is not completely clear what he is promising.
His words about lowering “premiums” by $2,500 for the average family of four have been fairly consistent. But the health policy advisers who formulated the figure say it actually represents the average family’s share of savings not only in premiums paid by individuals, but also in premiums paid by employers and in tax-supported health programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
“What we’re trying to do,” said one of the advisers, David M. Cutler, in explaining the gap between Mr. Obama’s words and his intent, “is find a way to talk to people in a way they understand.”
The original arithmetic was somewhat basic. In May 2007, three Harvard professors who are unpaid advisers to the Obama campaign — Mr. Cutler, David Blumenthal and Jeffrey Liebman — produced a memorandum offering their “best guess” that a menu of changes would produce savings of at least $200 billion a year (it has since been revised to $214 billion). That would amount to about 8 percent of the $2.5 trillion in health care spending projected for 2009, when the next president takes office.
The memorandum attributed specific savings to several broad initiatives, with the numbers plucked from recent studies. Investments in computerized medical records would save $77 billion a year, the advisers wrote. Reducing administrative costs in the insurance industry would yield up to $46 billion. Improving prevention programs and chronic disease management would be worth $81 billion.
The total savings were then divided by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down slightly to a number that was easy to grasp: $2,500. The average cost of family coverage bought through an employer was $12,106 in 2007, with workers paying $3,281 of that amount, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a health research group.
Mr. Obama aspires to cover the country’s 47 million uninsured by requiring insurers to accept all comers, regardless of their health status, and by providing generous tax credits to low-income workers. The tax credits could be used to buy into a new federal health plan or private plans marketed through a government exchange.
The subsidies are expensive, estimated at well over $100 billion. Other components of the Obama plan also bear up-front costs, like a pledge to spend $50 billion over five years to speed the computerization of health records, $6 billion a year on tax credits to small businesses that provide coverage to workers, and an unspecified amount to buffer businesses from high-cost insurance claims.
The source Mr. Obama has identified to pay for them — the repeal of President Bush’s tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 — would cover only about half. That means additional health care savings would be needed, not only to keep premiums under control but also to help pay for the subsidies.
A consensus has emerged among health economists that at least a third of the country’s spending on health care is unnecessary. Both Mr. Obama, of Illinois, and his Republican rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona, agree that significant sums could be saved through reductions in unneeded procedures and improvements in electronic record-keeping, prevention and chronic disease management.
But the dollar values Mr. Obama has attached to individual components of his plan are beginning to attract scrutiny. In particular, the Congressional Budget Office issued a report in May questioning the amount to be saved from the computerization of health systems.
Mr. Obama took his estimate of $77 billion a year from a 2005 study by the RAND Corporation (which cautioned that reductions of that magnitude would not emerge for 15 years). The Congressional analysts found, however, that for various methodological reasons the RAND study was “not an appropriate guide” to potential savings.
This month, Mr. Obama’s health advisers tried to recast the debate so that the questioning of any one number would not undermine the plan’s broader credibility. They enlisted eight health policy experts to sign a letter that, without endorsing the math behind any single initiative, proclaimed it was “not only possible, but likely” that Mr. Obama could save $200 billion annually. They did not say by when.
Mr. Cutler, who helped collect the signatures, said he and his colleagues had decided “that our attempt to lay out one plausible scenario for the savings had created more problems than it had solved.” He added: “Putting the debate where this message puts it — do you believe we can save 8 percent of health spending through a major series of public and private reforms — asks the question in a way that is much more productive than the issue of ‘Do you believe a single estimate among many, many studies?’ ”
Mr. Obama’s economic policy director, Jason Furman, said the campaign’s estimates were conservative and asserted that much of the savings would come quickly. “We think we could get to $2,500 in savings by the end of the first term, or be very close to it,” Mr. Furman said.
The campaign won additional backing this week from Kenneth E. Thorpe of Emory University, an authority on health care costs who helped formulate Bill Clinton’s failed plan in 1993. In an assessment that he initiated in coordination with the campaign, Mr. Thorpe wrote that if all of Mr. Obama’s proposals were enacted they would reduce health spending by between $203 billion and $273 billion by 2012. He calculated that half of the savings would accrue to the federal government.
The Obama advisers said that while not all of the savings would translate into lower premiums, consumers would gain in other ways. The savings to employers would be passed along as higher wages, they predicted, and the savings to government would eventually mean either lower taxes or added benefits.
But whether employers and governments respond that way cannot be guaranteed, particularly in a difficult economy. And a number of health policy experts have questioned whether the $2,500 projection is either fiscally or politically realistic. Reducing health care costs, they emphasized, means taking money from someone’s pocket and rationing care that Americans have come to expect, a recipe for stiff resistance.
“There is no easy money because, as the saying goes, one person’s fraud and abuse is another person’s income,” said Joseph R. Antos of the American Enterprise Institute. “I wouldn’t think that four years or eight years or probably 10 years will be enough to see numbers of that sort.”
The Commonwealth Fund, a health research group in New York, published a study in December projecting that a robust overhaul consisting of 15 broad initiatives would generate savings of only 6 percent after 10 years. “Doing it by the end of a first term is ambitious and would require tough policies,” said Karen Davis, the group’s president.
Jonathan B. Oberlander, who teaches health policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, called it wishful thinking. “Do they have the potential to generate significant savings in the long run?” Dr. Oberlander asked. “Yes. Do I believe they will produce substantial savings in the short run that can be used to finance Obama’s plan? No.”
The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?_r=1&ref=policy&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am

I believe Sen. McCain is a decent man. However, lot of this bad things are being done by RNC. RNC has used gutter politics in 2000 and 2004. I was watching Bill Moyers journal on PBS. I was shocked to learn the tactics used by republicans to disfranchise voters of their basic right. I am glad that Supreme Court threw out complain in OHIO. We are supposed to be a democratic country. RNC wants to grab power by any and all means.
It is about time that “We the people” deal a serious blow to these tactics.
God bless America.

Posted by: Ramesh Dave | October 18, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am

Obama Couldn’t Be Cleared
10.17.08
By George H. Wittman
The lowest-ranking enlisted persons in the Armed Forces of the United States who are expected to handle sensitive matters in the scores of jobs involving classified equipment or written material must be investigated before obtaining their security clearance. Could Barack Obama gain such a clearance?
To begin, the clearance applicant would have to complete a detailed personal history form that includes, if necessary, government access to all health and education files. This is the starting point of all security investigations. Top Secret clearance involves a field investigation rather than the Secret version that is usually limited to a “name check” that is a basic police and public information file review. For the TS clearance an investigator will visit the home neighborhoods and work place sites of the applicant in search of supportive and/or derogatory references.
If the clearance is extended further into the handling of information of such importance that it requires a compartmented distribution, the field and document investigation is pursued with considerable vigor over a lengthy period of time. Nuclear and other sensitive technical or political matters fall into this category.
In all cases, whether on the lower level or up to the most sensitive intelligence, the background of the applicant’s personal and business involvement forms the nucleus of the initial phase of the investigation. The people with whom the applicant associates lead the investigator to personal connections and matters relative to the individual’s character, beliefs and past acts appropriate to matters of security.
Eligibility for clearance at all levels is directly influenced by the people with whom one associates. Yes, who your friends are and have been does count — a great deal. This is true, of course, in many types of police investigations where suspicion is adequate reason for further inquiry. In matters of security clearance, past associations often can mean the end of the process rather than just the beginning.
Considering Barack Obama as a candidate for a top secret security clearance status with a full array of compartmented clearances, one has to be cognizant of the fact that there is considerable evidence of associations and even assistance from individuals with past criminal records or who have expressed anti-American beliefs. Obviously admitted domestic terrorists William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn, as well as recently convicted felon, Antoin “Tony” Rezko, fall into this category.
There is no possibility that a Top Secret clearance would be awarded to a member of the Armed Forces whose background included such associations. An intelligence service clearance for the handling of highly classified material would be totally out of the question.
IF THERE IS SOME hesitancy to accept that Barack Obama’s associations would have precluded his obtaining a TS clearance with compartmented information access, it should be realized he would have had to pass both a polygraph test and a personal psychological evaluation. What are the chances of his being willing to take these tests, to say nothing of his passing, in light of his refusal even to make his educational records available?
It may be deemed unfair, but a child of an American mother and a foreign-born non-U.S. citizen father always receives additional scrutiny. So does the fact that questions have arisen concerning the source of funding for Obama’s law school education. According to a well-researched article by Kenneth Timmerman (Newsmax), Obama was assisted financially by Khalid al-Mansour through the latter’s rich Saudi contacts. Mansour has been referred to as a “Black Nationalist and a Black Muslim” who was a mentor to the founders of the radical Black Panther Party of the 1960s.
All of these matters would have arisen in a normal security clearance. The harsh truth is that the United States is willing to accept presidential candidates like Barack H. Obama who could never gain a Top Secret clearance if he was simply a U.S. Army enlisted man. And yet Obama wants to be Commander-in-Chief. Something is wrong here!
The American Spectator
http://www.spectator.org/archives/2008/10/17/obama-couldnt-be-cleared

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

I think the GOP will split in two within the next couple of election cycles. True conservatives will not stand by and watch the party to devolve into an uninformed mass nor a fear mongering spectacle.
Ignorance and misinformation is not a good thing regardless of the party spreading it.

Posted by: GOP divide | October 18, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am

Natasha, enough with the cut and paste…

Posted by: Ctrl V | October 18, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am

What would it say about our nation if this sleazy misinformation put forth by the McCain campaign actually works. How could McCain expect to govern a nation where the informed, educated portion of the populace (i.e. Obama voters) were well aware that good government had been snatched from their grasp by his hatefulness and dishonesty? There’d be a revolution…

Posted by: Chris | October 18, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am

– Natasha, enough with the cut and paste… –
Pay no attention to Natasha.. she is not even an American.. she is Russian, and is part of a plan by them to get McCain and Palin into the White House so Palin won’t be up in Alaska keeping track of their planes. Once elected, Palin will no longer be a threat and Alaska will be wide open and ripe for invasion!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 18, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am

– Health Plan From Obama Spurs Debate –
I love it when McCain supporters pull up that article from the New York Times.. it uses data from the Commonwealth Fund analysis to support it’s argument.
The really funny part is, if you go look at the analysis by the Commonwealth Fund, it concludes:
“Measured against these broad principles, Obama’s proposal for mixed private–public group insurance with a shared responsibility for financing has greater potential to move the health care system toward high performance than does McCain’s proposal to encourage individual market coverage through the use of tax incentives and deregulation. Compared with McCain’s approach, Obama’s approach could provide more people with affordable health insurance that covers essential services, achieve greater equity in access to care, realize efficiencies and cost savings in the provision of coverage and delivery of care, and redirect incentives to improve quality”.
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=707948
Pretty much the same conclusion as the Economic Policy Institute:
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126
and the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122152292213639569.html

Posted by: Concerned American | October 18, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am

The Associated Press
CHICAGO—These days, Bill Ayers doesn’t want to talk about the Weathermen, the Vietnam-era radical group he helped found that carried out bombings at the Pentagon and the Capitol.
That doesn’t mean the man who has become a political headache for Barack Obama is hiding his past. In fact, all you need to do is stand outside Ayers’ office at the University of Illinois in Chicago to be confronted with it.
Ayers’ connection to the Weather Underground is plastered on his door. A postcard for a documentary on the group shows an old mugshot of Ayers. Nearby is cover art from Ayers’ 2001 memoir, “Fugitive Days.”
But also affixed to the door is the title that reflects how Ayers, now 63, has become known in the past two decades in Chicago: distinguished professor.
“He gives of himself greatly to his students. He gives of his time, his energies, his commitment,” said Pamela Quiroz, an associate professor who works in the college of education with Ayers. “He is just a superb individual.”
Quiroz is among more than 3,200 people, mostly academics, who have signed an online petition protesting the “demonization” of Ayers during the campaign for the White House.
John McCain’s camp has accused Obama of “palling around with terrorists,” citing, among other things, a 1995 meet-the-candidate coffee that Ayers hosted at his home for Obama when the younger man launched his political career by running for state Senate. The two also served together on a Chicago school reform group and a charity board.
The subject flared up again during Wednesday’s final presidential debate when McCain said Obama needs to explain the full extent of his relationship with Ayers, whom he called “an old, washed-up terrorist.”
By all accounts, the two men were not close, and Obama has repeatedly denounced Ayers’ radical activities.
Ayers has declined repeated requests for interviews. This week, he opened his front door a crack to tell an Associated Press reporter, “I’m not talking, thanks.”
Ayers’ beige stone rowhouse on Chicago’s South Side is just a few blocks from Obama’s home. He lives there with his wife, former fellow radical Bernardine Dohrn. Now a law professor at Northwestern University, Dohrn was a fugitive for years with her husband until they surrendered in 1980 and charges against him were dropped because of government misconduct, which included FBI break-ins, wiretaps and opening of mail.
Although Ayers has refashioned his life from street-level revolutionary to intellectual, he has not entirely renounced his past.
When “Fugitive Days” was published, a photo accompanying a Chicago Magazine article showed him stepping on an American flag. He also told The New York Times, in an interview that appeared coincidentally on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001: “I don’t regret setting bombs. I feel we didn’t do enough.”
The Weather Underground claimed responsibility for bombings in the early 1970s at the U.S. Capitol, a Pentagon restroom and New York City police headquarters. No one was injured. In 1970, a Greenwich Village townhouse that the group was using to build a bomb blew up, killing three members, including Ayers’ girlfriend. The bomb, Ayers wrote in his memoir, was packed with screws and nails.
Had it been detonated, he admitted, it would have done “some serious work beyond the blast, tearing through windows and walls and, yes, people, too.” It belied the group’s claims that its targets were buildings, not people. “We did go off track … and that was wrong,” Ayers told the AP when his book came out.
“I’m not a terrorist,” he said at the time. “We tried to sound a piercing alarm that was unruly, difficult and, sometimes, probably wrong. … I describe what led some people in despair and anger to take some very extreme measures.”
Still, in Chicago, he is known more for his work in education, which has earned praise from Mayor Richard Daley, whose own father, the iron-fisted mayor of this city during the Vietnam era, famously sent police to do battle with anti-war demonstrators during the 1968 Democratic National Convention. This spring, when Hillary Rodham Clinton’s campaign first raised Ayers’ relationship with Obama, the younger Daley issued a statement defending him.
“I also know Bill Ayers,” Daley said. “He worked with me in shaping our now nationally renowned school reform program. He is a nationally recognized distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago and a valued member of the Chicago community.”
Ayers has a doctorate in education from Columbia University in New York and has written or edited more than a dozen books, most about teaching. Ayers is on sabbatical this academic year but still spends time at his university office.
In an opinion piece this week in The Wall Street Journal, Sol Stern, a senior fellow at the conservative Manhattan Institute who is writing a book on Ayers and social justice teaching, challenged the notion that Ayers is a reformed revolutionary. Stern said he has read most of Ayers’ work and concluded: “His hatred of America is as virulent as when he planted a bomb at the Pentagon.”
Scott Snyder, a UIC junior in chemical engineering who describes himself as a conservative, said he is uncomfortable with Ayers working at a public university.
“The majority of taxpayers probably would not appreciate their money being spent to somebody with a history of disrespecting numerous public institutions within the United States,” Snyder said.
“He spent his life sticking it to the man, where now he is employed by the man.”
UIC education professor Bill Schubert, who has known Ayers since he sat on the university committee that hired him in 1987, said the Ayers he knows is a Chicago Cubs fan and a good cook who invites colleagues, students and others over to his home for dinner.
But mostly Ayers is a good teacher, said Schubert, who recently wrote a letter about Ayers that he initially circulated among friends when questions about him began to mount. The piece, titled “The Bill Ayers I Know,” has since made its way to the Web and extols Ayers’ scholarly work and his commitment to teaching.
“I feel like I’m telling factual information about him,” Schubert said, “and I am saying that he’s a good colleague and friend.”
Still, Ayers’ past is a delicate matter. Schubert wanted to discuss only Ayers the educator, not Ayers the radical. Asked how he reconciled the two, Schubert paused for a long moment, then said: “That’s a question that’s too complicated to answer, I think, because it’s dependent on different conceptions of what he did.”

Posted by: Cindy Lou Who | October 18, 2008, 3:40 am 3:40 am

Shame on you John McCain for spreading lies. How low will you stoop? Where is that American hero that you keep saying you are? I am afraid that you lost it somewhere on the campaign trail. Why would I want you as my president now?

Posted by: John Beal | October 18, 2008, 3:47 am 3:47 am

The only way for McCain to regain some credibility would be to say good-bye to the Bush aides and to Palin.
He is not his usual self. It was so clearly visible when he went to Letterman – there he showed the man he really is.
Had he remained true to himself he might have lost anyway but at least he would have fought a honourable campaign.
Now he looses not only the election but his honour and reputation too. In case he does not put a stop to it. Now.

Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 3:50 am 3:50 am

I’m glad that Nebraska canceled Bill Ayers speech! They want no part of a terrorist.
Obama and his “crew of criminals” take the Whitehouse….and the freedom of speech with them. I’m sure Ayers will enjoy sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom as a guest! If America is broke…where is he getting all the money????

Posted by: kandis | October 18, 2008, 3:56 am 3:56 am

Kandis, what about taking the time to go to FACTCHECK.COM where you can read what is really going on?

Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 18, 2008, 4:13 am 4:13 am

Barack Obama Couldn’t Pass a Routine Background Investigation
By Gregory D. Lee
Retired DEA Supervisory Special Agent
October 10, 2008
A while back, radio talk show host Michael Savage brought up the notion that Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama couldn’t pass a background investigation to become an FBI special agent.
He doesn’t know how right he is.
Sen. Barack Obama wouldn’t pass a routine government background investigation, not only to become an FBI agent, but a police officer as well. If he were a soldier, his background would preclude him from obtaining a security clearance. He wouldn’t even qualify to be a support person in a federal agency, such as secretary, for that matter. His past cocaine usage disqualifies him from being a DEA agent.
There’s another big problem Sen. Obama has: His association and business relationship with Weatherman Underground founder William Ayers, a former domestic terrorist who is still unrepentant for his bombings on U.S. landmarks and police stations. Usually, the company you keep reveals who you really are. Ayers felt then, as he does now, that America is the evil of the world and needs punishing for past and current bad acts. Not many federal agencies would want someone with that kind of chip on his shoulder working for it.
Also, Sen. Obama’s association with Tony Rezko and the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN) come to mind. Rezko was just convicted of promoting corruption among Chicago politicians. He helped in the purchase of the senator’s home and was a campaign fundraiser for Obama. ACORN is being investigated by the feds for systematic voter registration fraud. Not good things.
Let’s not forget about Sen. Obama’s pastor and mentor for 20 years, America-hater Rev. Jeremiah Wright. When first questioned about his membership in Wright’s black theology church, Sen. Obama first denied knowing Rev. Wright harbored such negative feelings about the U.S., but after being further pressed, he dismissed the reverend’s conduct as like a “crazy uncle” who lived in the basement. He finally decided that he couldn’t politically afford to stay in the church, and dropped his membership.
To keep job applicants honest, many government agencies such as DEA, FBI, CIA and others require them to take a polygraph examination. Do you think Sen. Obama could pass a polygraph when he approves an ad that mocks Sen. John McCain for being unable to send e-mails without mentioning his poorly mended broken arms while in custody of the North Vietnamese which prevents him from manipulating the computer keyboard? He’s not computer illiterate, he’s handicapped!
Would you want a police officer in your city associating with such people? Not likely. But Obama supporters ignore these associations because they are desperate for a Democrat in the White House.
A federal government full-field background investigation would also look for prior inconsistencies, exaggerations and outright lies on an application for employment.
I once conducted a background check for an applicant to become a secretary for DEA. She had previously worked for a large police department as a secretary, and left the job to have a child. She was ready to re-enter the workforce and wanted to work for DEA. She seemed perfect for the job until the background investigation revealed that she lied on her application. She claimed to have 30-semester hours of college in office management, when in reality she attended one day of one class and then dropped out. The fact that she lied was sufficient justification to consider her application no further. After all, if she would lie about that, what else has she lied about? Obviously the woman lacked integrity, which is a vital qualification for any position within the federal government, even a DEA secretary who would have access to all investigative reports.
I’d like to conduct Sen. Obama’s background investigation. I’d review his application for the Illinois state bar and see if he mentioned the drug usage that he disclosed in one of his books. If the question about drugs was asked, and he denied it at the time, his integrity is immediately put into question. He revealed it in his book to float a balloon to test his potential as a viable presidential candidate. Admitting it prevented his political opponents from attacking him about it. In fact, in the eyes of many Sen. Obama supporters, using drugs enhances his resume. It’s something they can relate to.
Personally I like my presidents to not associate with known criminals, be drug-free for a lifetime, have unquestioned integrity and be able to pass a simple background investigation.
Gregory D. Lee is a nationally syndicated columnist and a retired DEA Supervisory Special Agent. He can be reached at http://www.gregorydlee.com.
http://www.northstarwriters.com/gl045.htm

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 4:14 am 4:14 am

The breathtaking cynicism of the GOP–or what Richard Hofstadter used to call “the paranoid style in American politics”–is in full bloom on this thread and in this campaign.
It’s obvious you guys can’t find anything damning or disqualifying on Obama. Every last one of these manufactured outrages–ACORN, Ayers, Rezko, infanticide, teaching explicit sex-ed to kindergarteners–is hollow at the core, and you who are pushing these stories know that perfectly well.
You KNOW that ACORN is the victim, not the author, of the fake registrations, and that they work in good faith with state election boards to flag and remove them. You KNOW that fake registrations don’t lead to the casting of fake votes, for reasons that are perfectly obvious if you think about it for 3 seconds.
You KNOW that William Ayers has bugger-all to do with Obama’s platform for governing. He sat on a charity board with the guy? BFD.
Rezko: a property owner splits a lot in two, sells one part to Obama, the other to Rezko’s wife. This, on Planet Wingnut, is a gigantic scandal. On planet Earth, it’s an ordinary real estate transaction. They bought a house. They live in it.
But you’ll keep putting this stuff out there anyway, hoping some of it sticks. Becuase you obviously have nothing else to say to the voters, and you don’t want them thinking about how your party, with consummate insider John McCain, has run this country into the ground the last 8 years.
Lots of luck with that. People are tired of this circus crap. It’s the last refuge of the intellectually lazy blame-shifter who’s run the country off a cliff and desperately wants to fob the mess off on someone–anyone–else before impact.
Nuh-uh. This time, YOU get to hold the bag and take the pain. Come back next time with some real-world ideas and intellectually honest arguments. We need that in an opposition party.

Posted by: Adam | October 18, 2008, 4:19 am 4:19 am

Kandis, what about taking the time to go to FACTCHECK.COM where you can read what is really going on?
Posted by: Truth Reigns
———————————–
Obama, Bill Ayers, and FactCheck.Org – all have ties to Annenberg.

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 4:20 am 4:20 am

Pay no attention to Natasha.. she is not even an American.. she is Russian.
————————————–
You wish, hah?… MARXIST BOZO!
Mickey Mouse OBAMA BOT:
I have already voted!!!!!
Ahahahaha!
**** YOU ARE SO VERY STUPID ****
**** STOP WRITING WITH 24 DIFFERENT NAMES OBAMA BOT ****
**** STOP TAKING LESSONS ON PLAGIARISM FROM JOE BIDEN ****

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 4:32 am 4:32 am

My previous comment is a reply to that OBAMA BOT – a MARXIST (like Obama) who writes as (un)Concerned American + 24 other names in at least two dozen diefferent blogs.
He works for ACORN!

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 4:38 am 4:38 am

Obama’s Illegal Alien Roommate
Obama’s friend and roommate while he attended Columbia University was an illegal alien from Pakistan. Obama sure seems to have had a lot of friends from Pakistan.Obama had numerous unpaid tickets while in school. He only paid them before he ran for president. Obama doesn’t seem to like to obey the laws….
http://forums.hannity.com/showthread.php?t=864701
List of Barack Obama’s friends and roommates
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_Barack_Obama's_friends_and_roommates

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 4:46 am 4:46 am

TIME MAGAZINE PHOTO
Obama: No Hand on Heart for National Anthem
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1662530_1446035

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:09 am 5:09 am

ABC News Video: OBAMA OUT OF TUNE?
Obama: No Hand on Heart for National Anthem
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3759803

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:10 am 5:10 am

Donald from Hawaii:
Stop speading lies, An investigation has not shown Obama’s birth place. There is no record of Obama’s birth place in any country

Posted by: News | October 18, 2008, 5:14 am 5:14 am

Obama would be a great film star…
(Btw, he is the one running for President – not Satah Palin!)
1. Yes, Sarah Palin is being drug around in the dirt because she is a Republican woman and how dare the person call Sarah a Caribou Barbie! That is one of the most sexist comments, yet. Also, for the one who called her “trailer trash” that just shows to me that it is not the Republicans who are elitists but the Democrats.This should be very offensive to those whose homes are trailers and who don’t make a six figure income.
2.It keeps coming up about the Bridge to Nowhere. Obama has ALSO been in favor of MANY things and then changed his mind….Israel/Pakistan…Russian/Georgia, etc. but NO-ONE dwells on that. In fact, he can’t make a decision; he just goes with the flow after asking dozens of advisors. He is charmismatic, I will give him that but charisma isn’t what we need. Some of you mentioned that McCain’s heroism doesn’t qualify him for the White House…well,okay then…neither does being a charismatic celebrity. Obama would be a great film star. He loves the spotlight. He’s an eloquent speaker. I’ve heard that John McCain is not. Hmmm…someone who’s become good at smoothly eloquent speaking probably has learned to make words work for him and twist them when necessary and people won’t even notice.
3. I’ve noticed that some are comparing Palin’s lack of experience and background to Obama. How come they are not doing the same comparison on McCain and Obama? Why is Joe Biden not the one that is being compared to her? At least, I have not seen much to that;maybe someone can fill me in on somewhere I could see this.
4. It seems Palin has so many sins in her life and McCain, too. Then,I guess the Democrats are without sin. They are presenting themselves as perfect. Too bad the voters are not nearly as perfect as Obama. In the Bible, there was a story about an adulteress that was getting ready to be stoned to death. Jesus told them “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” The Dems have done a great job of casting the stones and hitting Palin.
And, let’s not forget the Democrat who was President, and even though I’m not a Democrat, he did a decent job of the duties in office, yet he was an adulterer while in the office that he was elected to, disappointing Americans, but in this whole election,no one, not even the Republicans (except this one) has brought that up;(which is right thing NOT to do)maybe, it is because we all have skeletons in our closet. Have you ever thought what would come out if you ran for office?
5. The newstands are full of articles tearing Palin down, but I’ve yet to see the faces of Obama (the liberal media’s little darling) or Joe Biden on the covers presented in a negative way. I agree with one blogger who said that these publications are only ruining themselves. Let’s do real journalistic reporting…report the facts, Jack on both sides, both negative and positive and let the readers decide. I would absolutely LOVE to see an article in a mag that compares Obama to McCain and in the same mag Palin to Biden, side by side on issues, skeletons in the closets, biographies, awards and honors….maybe in the form of resumes so the American public could compare and then at the polls hire the ticket they think would be the best for the job.
6. Finally, and then, I’m through. I understand it may be good to understand the candidates’ views based on their faith but it is a little undeserving to undermine one for “praying” that God’s will be done. Our country was founded on a faith in the One True God, The Creator and our laws and values were built upon the Christian faith, but now, it’s not politically correct to be a Christian,no one must renounce their deep beliefs in order to please everyone. I couldn’t see one bit of hatred in the video that has been circulating where she spoke at her church in Alaska. Praying for someone does not cause hatred or racism or sexism. Their beliefs in their faith did not say they hated gays,only that they would be praying for them. And, in the privacy of a church building, they may do whatever (within the law) that they believe. Now that Obama has disowned his pastor, no one has mentioned anymore about how that church shaped his views. They are afraid to because of the venomous rhetoric that came from the pastor’s mouth. Does anyone know what Biden believes;have they gone to a church he attends or does he attend one? What about McCain? What are his religious values? So, then, why does that play into the equation with Palin? I could understand if she were part of an anti-government,hate religion. The most she could be convicted of in her faith is saying that she believes in praying to God, asking His will for the country. Go back in history to other presidents; many were men who prayed or sought God’s will. At least, the great ones did.
Thank you, both Republicans and Democrats for letting me air my feelings. How, sometimes I wish we didn’t have parties. I can’t stand the division and hatred that ensues. Especially when we say “United we stand, Divided we fall.” Let’s just let each other vote our consciences or faith or whatever standard and quit yelling at each other. I really hope that people in other countries don’t read our comments because it will show the United States are not so united after all. And…I will be praying for this election, that God will put in the candidates He wants (and, although I will vote Republican which is voting based on my faith) I know that whichever party gets in will be because God put them there “for such a time as this” and I will relax and support the Preident of the United States and respect the office.
Posted by: Gloria | September 09, 2008 at 01:43 AM
Los Angeles Times
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/campbell-brown.html?cid=130091336

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:16 am 5:16 am

Video – Obama Soviet Anthem: Hilarious
http://www.wikio.com/video/389423

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:24 am 5:24 am

I looked at Obama’s national healthcare program and there is a mention of subsidies without the mention of where the subsidies originate. That sound like socialized medicine and socialized medicine is worse than the healthcare we now have. I looked at Canada and use the reference from
http://www.theadvocates.org/freeman/8903lemi.html
and you can have that if you want. I have friends in England that tell me their healthcare is about as bad as Canada. I really do not care what you choose because I have all the coverage I need and it is free.
Moreover, the unemployed cannot pay any premium without subsidies from somewhere. If a person does not have a job, then that person will have to use a state welfare program that is readily available to qualified individuals.
Obama’s national healthcare program is crap. There is not sufficient tax money to pay for most of Obama’s pipe dreams that he calls programs. I guess the government must start printing worthless money again.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 18, 2008, 5:31 am 5:31 am

REUTERS NEWS
May 9 – On the campaign trail in Beaverton, Oregon, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama mistakenly tells a crowd that’s he’s been to 57 states – with one left to go.
Reuters video:
Obama: I have been in 57 states
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=82127
*** Poor Obama – he got confused with the 57 states of Islam ***

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:33 am 5:33 am

Obama is out of touch with the real numbers. Obama figures are much lower to make you think the national healthcare plan is feasible. Another sucker play designed to get the vote of the less educated voters.
Statement attributable to:
Nancy Nielsen, MD
AMA President
“As our nation continues to face a crisis of about 46 million uninsured, many Americans need to look no further than their own families and friends, or neighbors to find someone without health insurance. The uninsured problem does not discriminate; it affects each and every one of us, and everyone deserves better than the status quo. As members of Congress and presidential candidates gather at the conventions, it is vital that they address this important issue.
“Many patients don’t have access to needed health care as the economy’s health declines. Employer-based health insurance is no longer an option for many workers and their families, as employment-based coverage continued to decline in 2007, dropping to 59.3 percent. Americans need more affordable, portable health insurance options.
“U.S. health care spending continues to climb, driving up premiums, and pricing many patients out of coverage. Uninsured patients often don’t get the preventive care they need leading to more difficult and more costly conditions to treat. A good first step to address health care costs is to cover all Americans, ensuring they have better access to health care.
“The AMA proposal to cover the uninsured is a public and private approach that will make needed changes to today’s system. We advocate for a shift in tax incentives for health insurance so lower-income Americans get money to purchase coverage. We also want insurance market reforms to provide individuals more choices and ensure coverage for high-risk patients.
Despite a presidential veto, H.R. 6331, the “Medicare Improvements for Patients and Providers Act of 2008,” passed with wide, bi-partisan majorities in both the U.S. House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate. See how your senators and representative voted. This bill now becomes law.
This legislation replaces the 10.6% payment cut that went into effect on July 1 with a 0.5% update extension through December 31, 2008. For calendar year 2009, the update will be 1.1%. Other important provisions such as extending the GPCI floor on physician work were also included.
This 18-month reprieve will also provide time for Congress to work with physicians on developing a long-term solution to a payment system that all agree is fatally flawed.
The Democrats cannot control the AMA.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 18, 2008, 5:34 am 5:34 am

I just filled out my absentee ballot and I bubbled in Obama/Biden. I was originally going to vote McCain, but seeing this and how low he’ll go just to get in office I just can’t do it. Obama has been very respectful and it shows the big differences between them.
Good luck Obama

Posted by: Alek | October 18, 2008, 5:39 am 5:39 am

“…Obama’s national healthcare program is crap. There is not sufficient tax money to pay for most of Obama’s pipe dreams that he calls programs. I guess the government must start printing worthless money again….”
Posted by BlackJack
————————————
BlackJack- Obama’s “Nationalized Medicine” plan is a LEMON!
Obama and those who support his “Nationalized Medicine” plan can get the heck out of the US and move to Cuba or North Korea!

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:41 am 5:41 am

People,
I’m Natasha’s psychiatrist. She often escapes the asylum to run amok in the blogosphere. Equally as often she forgets her medication. Insane since George W Bush took office in 2000, there is little we were able to do for her…. sigh…. sad… the men in the white suits and butterfly nets have been deployed. Soon she’ll be back in her padded cell. Poor woman.

Posted by: Zoidie | October 18, 2008, 5:43 am 5:43 am

The New York Times trashes Obama’s Health Care Plan…
Health Plan From Obama Spurs Debate
By KEVIN SACK
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?_r=1&ref=policy&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin
It is one of the most audacious promises in a campaign that has been thick with them.
In speech after speech, Senator Barack Obama has vowed that he will lower the country’s health care costs enough to “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.” Moreover, Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has promised that his health plan will be in place “by the end of my first term as president of the United States.”
Whether Mr. Obama can deliver is a matter of considerable dispute among health analysts and economists. While there is consensus that the American health care system is bloated with waste, eliminating enough to save $2,500 per family would require simultaneous and synergistic solutions to a host of problems that have proved intractable for decades.
Even if the next president and Congress can muster the political will, analysts question whether significant savings would materialize in as little as four years, or even in 10. But as Mr. Obama confronts an electorate that is deeply unsettled by escalating health costs, he is offering a precise “chicken in every pot” guarantee based on numbers that are largely unknowable. Furthermore, it is not completely clear what he is promising.
His words about lowering “premiums” by $2,500 for the average family of four have been fairly consistent. But the health policy advisers who formulated the figure say it actually represents the average family’s share of savings not only in premiums paid by individuals, but also in premiums paid by employers and in tax-supported health programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
“What we’re trying to do,” said one of the advisers, David M. Cutler, in explaining the gap between Mr. Obama’s words and his intent, “is find a way to talk to people in a way they understand.”
The original arithmetic was somewhat basic. In May 2007, three Harvard professors who are unpaid advisers to the Obama campaign — Mr. Cutler, David Blumenthal and Jeffrey Liebman — produced a memorandum offering their “best guess” that a menu of changes would produce savings of at least $200 billion a year (it has since been revised to $214 billion). That would amount to about 8 percent of the $2.5 trillion in health care spending projected for 2009, when the next president takes office.
The memorandum attributed specific savings to several broad initiatives, with the numbers plucked from recent studies. Investments in computerized medical records would save $77 billion a year, the advisers wrote. Reducing administrative costs in the insurance industry would yield up to $46 billion. Improving prevention programs and chronic disease management would be worth $81 billion.
The total savings were then divided by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down slightly to a number that was easy to grasp: $2,500. The average cost of family coverage bought through an employer was $12,106 in 2007, with workers paying $3,281 of that amount, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a health research group.
Mr. Obama aspires to cover the country’s 47 million uninsured by requiring insurers to accept all comers, regardless of their health status, and by providing generous tax credits to low-income workers. The tax credits could be used to buy into a new federal health plan or private plans marketed through a government exchange.
The subsidies are expensive, estimated at well over $100 billion. Other components of the Obama plan also bear up-front costs, like a pledge to spend $50 billion over five years to speed the computerization of health records, $6 billion a year on tax credits to small businesses that provide coverage to workers, and an unspecified amount to buffer businesses from high-cost insurance claims.
The source Mr. Obama has identified to pay for them — the repeal of President Bush’s tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 — would cover only about half. That means additional health care savings would be needed, not only to keep premiums under control but also to help pay for the subsidies.
A consensus has emerged among health economists that at least a third of the country’s spending on health care is unnecessary. Both Mr. Obama, of Illinois, and his Republican rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona, agree that significant sums could be saved through reductions in unneeded procedures and improvements in electronic record-keeping, prevention and chronic disease management.
But the dollar values Mr. Obama has attached to individual components of his plan are beginning to attract scrutiny. In particular, the Congressional Budget Office issued a report in May questioning the amount to be saved from the computerization of health systems.
Mr. Obama took his estimate of $77 billion a year from a 2005 study by the RAND Corporation (which cautioned that reductions of that magnitude would not emerge for 15 years). The Congressional analysts found, however, that for various methodological reasons the RAND study was “not an appropriate guide” to potential savings.
This month, Mr. Obama’s health advisers tried to recast the debate so that the questioning of any one number would not undermine the plan’s broader credibility. They enlisted eight health policy experts to sign a letter that, without endorsing the math behind any single initiative, proclaimed it was “not only possible, but likely” that Mr. Obama could save $200 billion annually. They did not say by when.
Mr. Cutler, who helped collect the signatures, said he and his colleagues had decided “that our attempt to lay out one plausible scenario for the savings had created more problems than it had solved.” He added: “Putting the debate where this message puts it — do you believe we can save 8 percent of health spending through a major series of public and private reforms — asks the question in a way that is much more productive than the issue of ‘Do you believe a single estimate among many, many studies?’ ”
Mr. Obama’s economic policy director, Jason Furman, said the campaign’s estimates were conservative and asserted that much of the savings would come quickly. “We think we could get to $2,500 in savings by the end of the first term, or be very close to it,” Mr. Furman said.
The campaign won additional backing this week from Kenneth E. Thorpe of Emory University, an authority on health care costs who helped formulate Bill Clinton’s failed plan in 1993. In an assessment that he initiated in coordination with the campaign, Mr. Thorpe wrote that if all of Mr. Obama’s proposals were enacted they would reduce health spending by between $203 billion and $273 billion by 2012. He calculated that half of the savings would accrue to the federal government.
The Obama advisers said that while not all of the savings would translate into lower premiums, consumers would gain in other ways. The savings to employers would be passed along as higher wages, they predicted, and the savings to government would eventually mean either lower taxes or added benefits.
But whether employers and governments respond that way cannot be guaranteed, particularly in a difficult economy. And a number of health policy experts have questioned whether the $2,500 projection is either fiscally or politically realistic. Reducing health care costs, they emphasized, means taking money from someone’s pocket and rationing care that Americans have come to expect, a recipe for stiff resistance.
“There is no easy money because, as the saying goes, one person’s fraud and abuse is another person’s income,” said Joseph R. Antos of the American Enterprise Institute. “I wouldn’t think that four years or eight years or probably 10 years will be enough to see numbers of that sort.”
The Commonwealth Fund, a health research group in New York, published a study in December projecting that a robust overhaul consisting of 15 broad initiatives would generate savings of only 6 percent after 10 years. “Doing it by the end of a first term is ambitious and would require tough policies,” said Karen Davis, the group’s president.
Jonathan B. Oberlander, who teaches health policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, called it wishful thinking. “Do they have the potential to generate significant savings in the long run?” Dr. Oberlander asked. “Yes. Do I believe they will produce substantial savings in the short run that can be used to finance Obama’s plan? No.”
THE NEW YORK TIMES
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?ref=policy&pagewanted=all

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:49 am 5:49 am

Natasha,
Come come – don’t struggle… you know you aren’t well. We’ve been through this before. The valium will help, maybe even some SSRIs to help with the nervous tick….. that’s it – good girl. All your buddies at the nut house are waiting… come along…. there’s a good girl.
(Sigh, cognitive dissonance is incurable among some republicans)

Posted by: Zoidie | October 18, 2008, 5:51 am 5:51 am

Zoidie =
YOU ARE AN IDIOT.
HERE COMES ANOTHER MARXIST OBAMA SUPPORTER WHO DOES NOT HAVE A WORD TO SAY ABOUT OBAMA’S HEALTH CARE PLAN.
THIS MORON WRITES WITH 24 DIFFERENT NAMES – HIS FAVORITES:
Sandy, mc@chiavelli, Concerned American, etc. They are all the same BOT!!
LOL!

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:57 am 5:57 am

A VIDEO PORTRAIT OF BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:58 am 5:58 am

Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi marking the anniversary of the U.S. air raid on Libya. The address aired on Al-Jazeera TV on June 11, 2008:
“Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi: Obama Suffers Inferiority Complex That Might Make Him Behave “Whiter Than the White.” He Should Be Proud of His African, Muslim Identity. Ben-Gurion Gave the Green Light for the Killing of JFK ….”
TEXT (Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008)
http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1791.htm
VIDEO – Qadhafi: Obama is a Muslim – Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/gaddafi-obama-is-a-muslim/2563816338/?icid=VIDURVNWS07

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 6:01 am 6:01 am

Obama would be a great film star…
(Btw, he is the one running for President – not Satah Palin!)
1. Yes, Sarah Palin is being drug around in the dirt because she is a Republican woman and how dare the person call Sarah a Caribou Barbie! That is one of the most sexist comments, yet. Also, for the one who called her “trailer trash” that just shows to me that it is not the Republicans who are elitists but the Democrats.This should be very offensive to those whose homes are trailers and who don’t make a six figure income.
2.It keeps coming up about the Bridge to Nowhere. Obama has ALSO been in favor of MANY things and then changed his mind….Israel/Pakistan…Russian/Georgia, etc. but NO-ONE dwells on that. In fact, he can’t make a decision; he just goes with the flow after asking dozens of advisors. He is charmismatic, I will give him that but charisma isn’t what we need. Some of you mentioned that McCain’s heroism doesn’t qualify him for the White House…well,okay then…neither does being a charismatic celebrity. Obama would be a great film star. He loves the spotlight. He’s an eloquent speaker. I’ve heard that John McCain is not. Hmmm…someone who’s become good at smoothly eloquent speaking probably has learned to make words work for him and twist them when necessary and people won’t even notice.
3. I’ve noticed that some are comparing Palin’s lack of experience and background to Obama. How come they are not doing the same comparison on McCain and Obama? Why is Joe Biden not the one that is being compared to her? At least, I have not seen much to that;maybe someone can fill me in on somewhere I could see this.
4. It seems Palin has so many sins in her life and McCain, too. Then,I guess the Democrats are without sin. They are presenting themselves as perfect. Too bad the voters are not nearly as perfect as Obama. In the Bible, there was a story about an adulteress that was getting ready to be stoned to death. Jesus told them “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.” The Dems have done a great job of casting the stones and hitting Palin.
And, let’s not forget the Democrat who was President, and even though I’m not a Democrat, he did a decent job of the duties in office, yet he was an adulterer while in the office that he was elected to, disappointing Americans, but in this whole election,no one, not even the Republicans (except this one) has brought that up;(which is right thing NOT to do)maybe, it is because we all have skeletons in our closet. Have you ever thought what would come out if you ran for office?
5. The newstands are full of articles tearing Palin down, but I’ve yet to see the faces of Obama (the liberal media’s little darling) or Joe Biden on the covers presented in a negative way. I agree with one blogger who said that these publications are only ruining themselves. Let’s do real journalistic reporting…report the facts, Jack on both sides, both negative and positive and let the readers decide. I would absolutely LOVE to see an article in a mag that compares Obama to McCain and in the same mag Palin to Biden, side by side on issues, skeletons in the closets, biographies, awards and honors….maybe in the form of resumes so the American public could compare and then at the polls hire the ticket they think would be the best for the job.
6. Finally, and then, I’m through. I understand it may be good to understand the candidates’ views based on their faith but it is a little undeserving to undermine one for “praying” that God’s will be done. Our country was founded on a faith in the One True God, The Creator and our laws and values were built upon the Christian faith, but now, it’s not politically correct to be a Christian,no one must renounce their deep beliefs in order to please everyone. I couldn’t see one bit of hatred in the video that has been circulating where she spoke at her church in Alaska. Praying for someone does not cause hatred or racism or sexism. Their beliefs in their faith did not say they hated gays,only that they would be praying for them. And, in the privacy of a church building, they may do whatever (within the law) that they believe. Now that Obama has disowned his pastor, no one has mentioned anymore about how that church shaped his views. They are afraid to because of the venomous rhetoric that came from the pastor’s mouth. Does anyone know what Biden believes;have they gone to a church he attends or does he attend one? What about McCain? What are his religious values? So, then, why does that play into the equation with Palin? I could understand if she were part of an anti-government,hate religion. The most she could be convicted of in her faith is saying that she believes in praying to God, asking His will for the country. Go back in history to other presidents; many were men who prayed or sought God’s will. At least, the great ones did.
Thank you, both Republicans and Democrats for letting me air my feelings. How, sometimes I wish we didn’t have parties. I can’t stand the division and hatred that ensues. Especially when we say “United we stand, Divided we fall.” Let’s just let each other vote our consciences or faith or whatever standard and quit yelling at each other. I really hope that people in other countries don’t read our comments because it will show the United States are not so united after all. And…I will be praying for this election, that God will put in the candidates He wants (and, although I will vote Republican which is voting based on my faith) I know that whichever party gets in will be because God put them there “for such a time as this” and I will relax and support the Preident of the United States and respect the office.
Posted by: Gloria | September 09, 2008 at 01:43 AM
Los Angeles Times
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/09/campbell-brown.html?cid=130091336

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 6:03 am 6:03 am

It’s very disheartening to see John McCain stoop to this level, especially after being a victim of the same tactics in 2000. I never thought the day would come where this man would blatantly sell his soul like this. The “country first” mantra is dead now. John McCain is all about himself and he’s taking members of his own party down with him by sub-marining their campaigns with these garbage ads.
If this is a preview of how John is going to run his administration I want no part of it. I saw Bush run this exact kind of campaign and we got 8 years of idiocy. McCain, if you don’t want to be compared to Bush then why are you borrowing his playbook? Why can’t you win on the issues or at least go down in defeat with some honor, some dignity? You’re not only going to lose this election but you’re going to lose a lot of respect.
I felt bad for you when Bush smeared you and your family in 2000. You were my choice for President then and you had my vote sealed this year up until a month ago. I let a lot of the negative campaigning go in the last few weeks but the recent rallies and now these robocalls are too much to take. You don’t sound like a man I can trust anymore. When I hear “Maverick” I cringe. You’re just another politician to me now…and you lost my vote.

Posted by: Bobbie | October 18, 2008, 6:11 am 6:11 am

Cindy McCains dress:
$ 300 000.
The income John McCain thinks is going from middle class to rich:
$ 5 000 000.
John McCains mortgage bailout plan:
$ 3 000 000 000.
John McCain calls his wife a ‘trollop’ and a ‘c u n t’ in front of reporters:
PRICELESS!

Posted by: JoeShmoe | October 18, 2008, 7:00 am 7:00 am

This campaign has been a mudslinger , it just goes to show that people will believe anything you tell them , our nation was built on Christianty by our early forefathers and it seems that we have gotten away from that .If paying more taxes will get our country out of a crisis so be it . If mcCian want to win the White House by lying he will not be successful , look at Bush , the worse President in the history of mankind all because he stole the election . We do not need a another lair in the white House ……….VOTE OBAMA!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Jerome Coleman | October 18, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am

Did you see how the elites Obama/Biden slammed Joe the plumber. It is laughable
Joe the plumber, Bob the builder, Jill the nurse will end up paying more taxes for their success whereas Obama the politician, Bill Ayers the terrorist “professor”, Rev Wright the sick preacher, Farrakhan the racist, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ( where is he these days) , Pelosi/Reid the socialist income distributors will have a FREE reign destroying the country
A McCain Democrat from Massachusetts…

Posted by: vs | October 18, 2008, 7:52 am 7:52 am

Did you see how the elites Obama/Biden slammed Joe the plumber. It is laughable
Joe the plumber, Bob the builder, Jill the nurse will end up paying more taxes for their success whereas Obama the politician, Bill Ayers the terrorist “professor”, Rev Wright the sick preacher, Farrakhan the racist, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ( where is he these days) , Pelosi/Reid the socialist income distributors will have a FREE reign destroying the country
A McCain Democrat from Massachusetts…

Posted by: vs | October 18, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am

John McCain has compromised his maverick-osity in every respect. Kow-tows to the religious right. Names an empty-headed demagogue bimbo in a tight blouse to be his running mate, putting country second. Trashes his pledge for a respectful campaign. Lies about his use of negative ads. Embraces a team of high-powered lobbyists to run his show. Lies about Obama’s tax plan. Pulls pathetic stunts to distract dimwitted voters about his positions on the economy. How much lower can he go? Two and a half weeks to find out.

Posted by: henry | October 18, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am

With the inclusion now of his campaign, how many planes will he have crashed by November 4th? And which plane had his integrity in it?

Posted by: Rick | October 18, 2008, 8:18 am 8:18 am

This is absolutely disgusting and disgraceful. McCain’s campaign is inciting hatred and shaming his own name. Sick, sick, sick. No way will this win votes.

Posted by: Laura | October 18, 2008, 8:19 am 8:19 am

If I hear one more wing nut complain about the liberal media, I’m going to retch. Just weeks ago, when Palin was the new flavor of the month at the GOP convention, the press fawned all over her and her kids. Then we all got to know her and hear her thoughts, such as they are. Look, the media are front runners. They try to tear down everyone, and then when the dust settles, they go with the winner. If editors have any bias in favor of Obama now, it’s only because the contrast between the honor and truthfulness of McCain-Palin and Obama-Biden is so stark (facts matter to the media, and they can only take so much lying before they are offended and start to lean in their coverage). With facts favoring Obama and polls growing more and more one-sided, the media are following along. It has NOTHING to do with the reporters’ politics. Wing nuts need to accept the fact that the media would be along for the ride with McCain if he were ahead. That’s just the way it is.

Posted by: henry | October 18, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am

Forget Joe the plumber. Its pretty obvious by now that he was just a plant. What is scary is the Michelle Bachmann interview on MSNBC last night where she called liberals “leftist anti-Americans” and said Congress should be investigated to root out the anti-Americans. Chris Matthews looked stunned and almost didn’t know what to say. He also confronts her about the new robocall and she defends it with a smile. If anyone is anti-American, it is nutters like these! Interview is here and is shocking, to say the least: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27243547#27243547

Posted by: VA Voter | October 18, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am

Is the repugnant party, the party of Lincoln…I think not…why can’t you realize both your candidates are standing in a house of glass and mirrors…you claim Obama is palling around with terrorist…when your own Parrot husband is in the AIP a seccessionist group, a real domestic terrorist group, but you gloss over that, McSlime was involved in the Keating 5 with his wife and fatherinlaw, a note mob figure…so before you start throwing dirt…turn the mirror your way and look at your candidates…last but not least Parrot’s pastor said that the Jews were being murdered in Israel because they refuse to accept Jesus…if you were really Christians, you would know this is not so…if you want to talk Rev Wright…we talk about Parrots preachers.
Go Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Shayla | October 18, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am

Just say no to old men and Parrots.

Posted by: Jwench | October 18, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

Lighthead, pleeease don’t let the facts get in the way of your propaganda. The facts are that ACORN pays volunteers to register voters. The volunteers get paid by the hour. Some volunteers filled out a bunch of fake registration cards. BY LAW, ACORN is NOT allowed to throw out those registration cards, ONLY to flag them. The registrations in question WERE FLAGGED by ACORN as being suspicious. It is then up to the state to follow through. If you want to know about dirty tactics, why don’t you read, “How to Rig an Election: Confessions of a REPUBLICAN operative” in which Allen Raymond talks about the tactics used by the Republican party to rig the elections and in which he spent time in jail for.

Posted by: Obama/Biden 08 | October 18, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

If Obama gets elected I hope everyone realizes you will have given him a clear path to socialism.Do you really want to give up your right to pursue happiness?Do you want Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and Nancy Pelosi running your lives???

Posted by: reddog0216 | October 18, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Ha Ha, Chris Matthews was stunned, because he had a tingle up his leg which happened to be his stuff bouncing off his to*let when Joe the Plumber did not visit him to fix.
All Plumbers boycott the MSM liberal media

Posted by: vs | October 18, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

This is shoddy reporting:
“his organization ran a domestic bombing campaign which resulted in fatalities.”
Three members of the Weather Underground were killed by their own bomb.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/17/us/politics/17truth.html?scp=1&sq=weather%20underground%20+%20explosion%20+%20greenwhich%20village&st=cse
The phrasing of this article makes it sound as if they might have killed someone else.

Posted by: Viking | October 18, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

The story says Sen. Collins didn’t agree with the tactics not that the information was false. The Obama media (ABC, CBS, NBC, NPR, CNN, NYT etc.etc.) is trying to give the impression Obama isn’t tried to a terrorist. Sen. Collins is probably worried some of the loons (like the majority of the posters here) will be stupid enough to start burning and looting – which is just a matter of time anyway. Sadly, the U.S. is in the beginning stages of changing from a nation of paid producers to becoming a nation of paid consumers (Democratic voters).

Posted by: connie | October 18, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Viking,
They killed two police officers and a security guard as well.

Posted by: reddog0216 | October 18, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

But three Weather Underground members accidentally killed themselves while making bombs in New York City in 1970. In 1981, two police officers and a security guard were killed when other members of the group committed an armed robbery.

Posted by: reddog0216 | October 18, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Collins Essential English Dictionary
terrorism – the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political ends
Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Terrorism – the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
Terror:
1. a state of intense fear
2. one that inspires fear
Besides the absence of violence, the McCain Robo Call Campaign is designed to instill or inspire intense fear in the American people so much that it’s very possible to incite violence. Additionally, imagine the trauma a young child might experience answering the phone and hearing that message. Not to mention the rumors that may be started because they don’t have the capacity to fully understand what that messages is trying to convey. I suspect that most people won’t listen to the entire call or even worst just enough to conclude that Obama himself is engaged in terrorism. Perhaps that’s the intent. John McCain’s campaign has stooped too low with this one and it’s all to achieve a political end. Imagine that…Domestic terrorism. And they are trying to accuse Obama of an “association” with someone whom committed acts when he (Obama) was only 8 years old.

Posted by: ConcernedCitizen | October 18, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

IT IS EXPECTED FROM MCCAIN AND THE REPUBLICANS. THEY KNOW THE ONLY WAY TO TRY TO WIN THIS ELECTION IS GOING NEGATIVE. THEY CANNOT TALK ABOUT THE ISSUES BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE A RECORD TO SHOW WHAT THEY WILL DO IF THEY ARE ELECTED. BARACK OBAMA IS WINNING, CHECK THE RECENT POLLS. THAT IS WHY THEY (REPUBLICANS) GO NEGATIVE. REPUBLICANS YOU HAVE DESTROYED THIS NATION. YOU ARE SPENDING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS PER MONTH IN AN ILLEGAL WAR: IRAQ. AMERICANS CANNOT AFFORD TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE (IT IS SO EXPENSIVE); THEY SAY THIS IS THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH. HOW CAN THEY SAY THAT WHEN AMERICANS CANNOT AFFORD HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS; WHEN WE HAVE TO FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY BECASUE WE CANNOT PAY OUR MEDICAL BILLS; WE HAVE TO SELL OUR HOMES TO PAY FOR OUR MEDICAL BILLS. THEY CALL THIS IS THE GREATEST NATION ON EARTH? GIVE ME A BREAK. WE HAVE TO ELECT BARACK OBAMA TO FIX THE HEALTH CARE SYSTEM ONCE AND FOR ALL. REPUBLICANS WILL NOT DO ANYTHING TO FIX IT. REPUBLICANS WILL NOT END THE IRAQ WAR. ON THE CONTRARY, REPUBLICANS CREATE WARS. LET’S ELECT BARACK OBAMA. GET RID OF REPUBLICANS.

Posted by: Patty | October 18, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

When will the main stream media (hello ABC) ask directly to McCain why he lies in such a way????

Posted by: fenian | October 18, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

McCain should have beaten Bush 8 years ago if he wanted to be the better President that bad.
The real and loving God will not let a fool like McShame win. If McThief manages to steal this election, his sentence in would be eternity in Hell not in Hanoi.
McCain is not a bad person, he is just a very negative and contemptuous person when he can’t get his way.

Posted by: Peter | October 18, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

Good for Collins…she is in the minority who feels like she could speak out loudly…know that there are many, many GOP out there who wants McCain to stop this ridiculous robocalls! Yikes! It just looks like a campaign who is throwing everything out there, panicking. For those who are voting for McCain,, think about this: this will be exactly how his administration will be run as well, if he happens to win. I don’t want that!

Posted by: RO | October 18, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

The decent Republicans who want McSame to stop this foolishness knows that this negative campaigning is not only hurting him, but it will backfire on themselves who are running for re-election..If he keeps this up, there won’t be one Republican left in office because they all will be voted out of office…people are sick of this negative trash as there are more important things that are on people’s minds out there such as lost jobs, high gas prices, foreclosed homes, etc..Keep up the good works John…Obama 08

Posted by: Gwen | October 18, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

it’s actually a good thing. his campaign in now rightfully identified with pure racist hate.
obama is offering hope. change.
hate vs. hope
for most, that’s a pretty easy choice.

Posted by: ME | October 18, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

I’m in PA…we haven’t received one of these robocalls yet. Please put me on the Do Not Call list! This is worse than telemarketing!
Americans are fed up. They want this election fight over. Just put Obama in the White House and get it over with.
And speaking of PA, why does McCain sinsist he’ll win this state? He’s down by double digits in most polls here.

Posted by: mhuda | October 18, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

“Ayers is the former leader of the Weather Underground. To protest the Vietnam War, his organization ran a domestic bombing campaign *which resulted in fatalities*.”
ABC News knows damn well that the only people ever killed by the Weather Underground’s bombing campaign were three Weather Underground bomb-makers in New York City. The bomb makers themselves were the only people who ever died in the WU campaign. Look at the mealy-mouthed way the writer deceptively structures the sentence: “which resulted in fatalities.” The writer is trying to remain FACTUAL while at the same time providing no context for those facts. The WU bombing campaign DID INDEED “result in fatalities.” The problem for people trying to stir up hatred is that the only fatalities it resulted in were those of three Weather Underground members. No “innocent” people or by-standers were EVER killed by the Weather Underground, and that is a cold, hard fact. ABC News knows it, and refuses to say it. That is a disgraceful and dishonest sentence that should be taught as a prime example of a violation of basic journalistic ethics.

Posted by: a_m | October 18, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

McCain-Palin’s WEAK campaign and their supporters’ evil tactics, strategies, schemes, plots, and plans towards Sen. Barack Obama –this nation’s next Commander-in-Chief — will NEVER prevail !
You [ Barack Obama], are from God and have overcome them [the enemy's attacks, schemes, and plots ] , because the one [God] who is in you [ Barack Obama] is greater than the one [the enemy ] who is in the world. – 1 John 4:4
No weapon forged against you [ Barack Obama] will prevail, and you [ Barack Obama] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Barack Obama] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Barack Obama] of the LORD, and this is their [ Barack Obama] vindication from me,” declares the LORD. – Isaiah 54:17
” I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Barack Obama] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Barack Obama] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Barack Obama] enemies turn their backs and run.” – Exodus 23:27
The Lord will rescue me [ Barack Obama] from every evil attack and will bring me [ Barack Obama] safely to his heavenly kingdom. – 2 Timothy 4:18
For he will command his angels concerning you [ Barack Obama] to guard you [ Barack Obama ] in all your ways; they will lift you [ Barack Obama ] up in their hands, so that you [ Barack Obama ] will not strike your foot against a stone. You [ Barack Obama ] will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you [ Barack Obama ] will trample the great lion and the serpent. – Psalm 91:11-13
I have given you [ Barack Obama ] authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you [ Barack Obama ]. – Luke 10:19
It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !
Amen.

Posted by: Barack Obama IS Our 44th president ! | October 18, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

McCain-Palin’s WEAK campaign lies and their supporters’ evil tactics, strategies, schemes, plots, and plans towards Sen. Barack Obama –this nation’s next Commander-in-Chief — will NEVER prevail !
You [ Barack Obama], are from God and have overcome them [the enemy's attacks, schemes, and plots ] , because the one [God] who is in you [ Barack Obama] is greater than the one [the enemy ] who is in the world. – 1 John 4:4
No weapon forged against you [ Barack Obama] will prevail, and you [ Barack Obama] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Barack Obama] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Barack Obama] of the LORD, and this is their [ Barack Obama] vindication from me,” declares the LORD. – Isaiah 54:17
” I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Barack Obama] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Barack Obama] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Barack Obama] enemies turn their backs and run.” – Exodus 23:27
The Lord will rescue me [ Barack Obama] from every evil attack and will bring me [ Barack Obama] safely to his heavenly kingdom. – 2 Timothy 4:18
For he will command his angels concerning you [ Barack Obama] to guard you [ Barack Obama ] in all your ways; they will lift you [ Barack Obama ] up in their hands, so that you [ Barack Obama ] will not strike your foot against a stone. You [ Barack Obama ] will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you [ Barack Obama ] will trample the great lion and the serpent. – Psalm 91:11-13
I have given you [ Barack Obama ] authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you [ Barack Obama ]. – Luke 10:19
It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !
Amen.

Posted by: Barack Obama IS Our 44th president ! | October 18, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

McCain’s association with Liddy isn’t news. The Chicago Tribune covered it back in May, when the Clinton campaign was roadtesting the McCain campaign’s tactics. Let’s compare:
* Bill Ayers participated in bombing a statue, the New York Police headquarters, the U.S. Capitol, and the Pentagon. G. Gordon Liddy participated in a White house plot to subvert the Constitution.
* Ayers has never been convicted or served prison time. Liddy was convicted of conspiracy, burglary, and illegal wire-tapping, was senteced to 20 years, and served 5.5 until President Carter commuted his sentence.
* Ayers is now a professor of education. Liddy is a conservative talk radio host.
* Ayers has said “we didn’t do enough” to stop the Vietnam War, a statement interpreted by some to mean he thinks he should have set off more bombs in the early 1970s. In 1994, after the feds stormed the branch Davidian compound in Waco, Liddy said on his radio program, [sorry, rough language coming] “Now if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms comes to disarm you and they are bearing arms, resist them with arms. Go for a head shot; they’re going to be wearing bulletproof vests. … Kill the sons of bitches.” (And as for Liddy on Hitler….)
* Ayers and his wife hosted a campaign event at his house for Obama in 1995. Liddy hosted a campaign event for McCain in 1998.
* Ayers donated $200 to Obama in 2001. Liddy has given at least $5,000 to McCain over the years, including $1,000 this year.
* Senator Obama has called Ayers’ terrorist acts “despicable” and condemned them. Senator McCain appeared on Liddy’s radio show last November and said, “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family…. It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”
I’m not going to bother with quantifying the sins of Ayers and Liddy. And please note, I offer no defense of Ayers here. Go ahead, assume the worst of both men, and you can say, as does Chapman, that each man “back in the 1970s, extolled violence and committed crimes in the name of a radical ideology — and… has never shown remorse or admitted error.”
It’s simple: if you think Ayers is a voting issue, then you must think Liddy is a voting issue. Have fun voting for Barr or Nader.

Posted by: Sarah | October 18, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Republican, Democrat or Independent? Does anybody like rushing to the phone to be greeted by an automated robo call.
Seems to me, that these kind of calls antagonize the voters more than they help McCain.
So, IMHO, let the neocons continue with their slanderous robotic calls. Everytime a voter answers the phones, that is one less vote for McCain.

Posted by: Continuum | October 18, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Come on folks, John is just trying to beat Obama so him and Cindy won’t have to share any of their wealth with the middle class. Heaven forbid that Obama should even consider spreading the wealth around so that the rich have a little less and the middle class and poor can have a little more. In my opinion the robo calls are the lowest form of mud slinging and I would never vote for a candidate that feeds that close to the bottom of the swamp. When I see Cindy McCain standing behind John and she is wearing clothing and jewelry that cost more than I have left in my 401k after a lifetime of saving and having a large percentage of it sucked away by the close friends of John McCain and in addition to that McCain has the nerve to belittle Obama for wanting to spread the wealth, it absolutely makes me sick.

Posted by: LANNY EDWARDS | October 18, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Republicans are the ones who are Anti-American and Terrorists… by using Fear and Terrorists Tactics to try and Scare voters into not voting for Barack Obama.
I have set up a website to totally expose McCain & Republicans at mccainsucks.biz. It’s appearing on the first page of searches at Google, Yahoo and MSN

Posted by: McCain Sucks | October 18, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Look at this large group of McCain-Palin voters and ask yourself what kind of people they are — and what they tell you about John McCain and Sarah Palin. http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/238063.php

Posted by: PW | October 18, 2008, 2:42 pm 2:42 pm

Plumbers for OBAMA!
Actually, a union of real, licenesed plumbers endorsed Obama. You know, people who are not related to Keating.

Posted by: Rita | October 18, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

I like Susan Collins – she’s my state Senator, & she’s done some good things. And I am proud that she stood up to these monstrous & evil robo-calls, though I think she should have said they don’t belong in ANY politics, not just Maine. I’ve early-voted for Allen this year, though I think the country desperately needs Moderate Republicans, because I feel the McCain/Palin ticket is so bad, so wrong, & so dangerous that any support for it negates the good will built up previously – and Susan Collins supports that ticket. I wrote to tell her this, though I know it won’t matter to her campaign. But I’m still pleased she spoke up.

Posted by: SP | October 18, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

And those are real plumbers, who actually have a plumber’s license!

Posted by: SP | October 18, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm

Mr. McCain is once again using any means to reach the end as he sees it should be. The moral high road is a “road to no where” for McCain and Palin. The members of the GOP (isn’t that “Grand Old Party”?)are dismayed and don’t know where to turn. Their candidate will do anything with no boundaries and many are not going to support him. If this is how he acts now, imagine if he and Palin are “in charge”. Frightening.

Posted by: Ira | October 18, 2008, 5:13 pm 5:13 pm

Some more regarding TS clearance and Obama…
Obama Couldn’t Be Cleared
10.17.08
By George H. Wittman
The lowest-ranking enlisted persons in the Armed Forces of the United States who are expected to handle sensitive matters in the scores of jobs involving classified equipment or written material must be investigated before obtaining their security clearance. Could Barack Obama gain such a clearance?
To begin, the clearance applicant would have to complete a detailed personal history form that includes, if necessary, government access to all health and education files. This is the starting point of all security investigations. Top Secret clearance involves a field investigation rather than the Secret version that is usually limited to a “name check” that is a basic police and public information file review. For the TS clearance an investigator will visit the home neighborhoods and work place sites of the applicant in search of supportive and/or derogatory references.
If the clearance is extended further into the handling of information of such importance that it requires a compartmented distribution, the field and document investigation is pursued with considerable vigor over a lengthy period of time. Nuclear and other sensitive technical or political matters fall into this category.
In all cases, whether on the lower level or up to the most sensitive intelligence, the background of the applicant’s personal and business involvement forms the nucleus of the initial phase of the investigation. The people with whom the applicant associates lead the investigator to personal connections and matters relative to the individual’s character, beliefs and past acts appropriate to matters of security.
Eligibility for clearance at all levels is directly influenced by the people with whom one associates. Yes, who your friends are and have been does count — a great deal. This is true, of course, in many types of police investigations where suspicion is adequate reason for further inquiry. In matters of security clearance, past associations often can mean the end of the process rather than just the beginning.
Considering Barack Obama as a candidate for a top secret security clearance status with a full array of compartmented clearances, one has to be cognizant of the fact that there is considerable evidence of associations and even assistance from individuals with past criminal records or who have expressed anti-American beliefs. Obviously admitted domestic terrorists William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn, as well as recently convicted felon, Antoin “Tony” Rezko, fall into this category.
There is no possibility that a Top Secret clearance would be awarded to a member of the Armed Forces whose background included such associations. An intelligence service clearance for the handling of highly classified material would be totally out of the question.
IF THERE IS SOME hesitancy to accept that Barack Obama’s associations would have precluded his obtaining a TS clearance with compartmented information access, it should be realized he would have had to pass both a polygraph test and a personal psychological evaluation. What are the chances of his being willing to take these tests, to say nothing of his passing, in light of his refusal even to make his educational records available?
It may be deemed unfair, but a child of an American mother and a foreign-born non-U.S. citizen father always receives additional scrutiny. So does the fact that questions have arisen concerning the source of funding for Obama’s law school education. According to a well-researched article by Kenneth Timmerman (Newsmax), Obama was assisted financially by Khalid al-Mansour through the latter’s rich Saudi contacts. Mansour has been referred to as a “Black Nationalist and a Black Muslim” who was a mentor to the founders of the radical Black Panther Party of the 1960s.
All of these matters would have arisen in a normal security clearance. The harsh truth is that the United States is willing to accept presidential candidates like Barack H. Obama who could never gain a Top Secret clearance if he was simply a U.S. Army enlisted man. And yet Obama wants to be Commander-in-Chief. Something is wrong here!
The American Spectator
http://www.spectator.org/archives/2008/10/17/obama-couldnt-be-cleared

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi marking the anniversary of the U.S. air raid on Libya. The address aired on Al-Jazeera TV on June 11, 2008:
“Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi: Obama Suffers Inferiority Complex That Might Make Him Behave “Whiter Than the White.” He Should Be Proud of His African, Muslim Identity. Ben-Gurion Gave the Green Light for the Killing of JFK ….”
TEXT (Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008)
http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1791.htm
VIDEO – Qadhafi: Obama is a Muslim – Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/gaddafi-obama-is-a-muslim/2563816338/?icid=VIDURVNWS07

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm

For any Maine voters who are also offended by these robocalls, may I suggest one thing to you: Vote for Tom Allen.

Posted by: cha cha cha | October 18, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm

This is a must watch for all patriotic -morally sound American fellows.
A USA Military History (Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6370539579217643597&hl=en
GOD BLESS AMERICA!
AMERICA DO NOT VOTE FOR MARXIST OBAMA!
AMERICA SAY NO TO OBAMA’S…
“US COMMUNIST EXPERIMENT”

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

At a time that Europe is awakening up – turning to the “right” after years of “failed socialism” it would be a crime to elect Marxist Obama as the next President of the United States of America.
Even France learned the lessons of its “failed socialism” and elected conservative Nicholas Sarkozy – a staunch friend of the United States. And here we are – Americans are about to let our country destroyed by MARXIST BARACK OBAMA!
Video: Sarkozy’s Speech Before Congress
The following video is for the geopolitically savvy and morally sound American patriots – not for the “Obama Communist Youth”!
France’s new leader Nicolas Sarkozy gave a speech before Congress that was, dare I say, almost…Reaganesque. He called America “the greatest nation,” among other platitudes.
You can view the whole thing here, and I really think you should all watch it.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/video_sarkozys_speech_before_congress/
He speaks of America in such glowing terms that you almost wonder if he isn’t, in some ways, more American than certain Democrats I could think of.
What’s particularly interesting is that, years ago when the Bush presidency was new and Iraq was a fresh issue, the left told us constantly that George Bush was making America less popular in the world. Yet during the President’s term in office three of our traditional allies (Canada, Germany and now France) elected leaders that displaced virulently anti-Bush and anti-American leaders with people more of Sarkozy’s temperament (Stephen Harper in Canada and Angela Merkel in Germany).
Sort of almost seems like…that whole “less popular America” thing just isn’t true.
Video: Sarkozy’s Speech Before Congress
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/video_sarkozys_speech_before_congress/

Posted by: Natasha | October 18, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm

Susan Collins has a history of being given a pass by the republican leadership to vote across the aisle when her vote doesn’t matter.
This is the same, appearing to be critical of McCain/Palin outrageous conduct when her criticism means nothing. Sen Collins, prove you are serious by resigning from your post as McCain/Palin Co-Chair, throw your support to Obama, urge your supporters to do likewise. Then we can believe you really mean it.

Posted by: newcastle | October 18, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

Working closely with Ayers? Why not? Ayers is working on education. There’s nothing wrong with that. How silly of the GOP to think they can stampede intelligent people over the cliff by this specious insinuation. Don’t people realize that if Ayers was engaged in any type of anti-American activity, he’d be arrested immediately? Do they imagine that with all the government’s new spying powers, he’d get away with something – assuming he’d even attempt it?

Posted by: Mary | October 18, 2008, 8:43 pm 8:43 pm

Republicans know they are going down to a resounding defeat. Therefore they are resigned to act like a kid that is constantly saying and doing off the wall things because they have nothing to contribute but nevertheless wants to be noticed. Don’t worry republicxans you’ll have 8 years or more to get you act and I do mean act together.
Barack Obama the POTUS for all Americans.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | October 18, 2008, 8:58 pm 8:58 pm

Republicans are vile hateful people. As long as Senator Collins remains a Republican she is endorsting the racism and hate of her party. A party that uses religion for hate and division and thinks there are pro- American parts of American
Stop Republican Hate vote against Collins in 2008

Posted by: JS | October 18, 2008, 9:27 pm 9:27 pm

Michelle is one ugly ass, angry militant racist gorilla, dontcha think?
ugggghh, go back to Kenya b*tch!

Posted by: MONKEY HOUSE | October 18, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Michelle is one ugly ass, angry militant racist gorilla, dontcha think?
ugggghh, go back to Kenya b*tch!
Posted by: MONKEY HOUSE | Oct 18, 2008 10:30:34 PM
—————————————-
So you stopped screwing your sister to post this?

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | October 18, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

Susan Collins..you can have her. She’s not a conservative.

Posted by: Christie | October 19, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

When I see some of the repulsive, outright racist comments of some of the posters here, it only makes my support for Barack Obama even stronger.
I’ve voted Republican in the past. Given the behavior of the McCain campaign, and some of their supporters, it might be a very long time before I do so again.
The Republican Party is going to have to live down a very shameful campaign when this is over.
It’s one thing for McCain to lose—which we all know is going to happen—but does he have to go out on such a low, with his reputation in tatters and his image forever stained? I can’t believe I once liked and respected this man.

Posted by: John Foster | October 19, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

When I see some of the repulsive, outright racist comments of some of the posters here, it only makes my support for McCain even stronger.
I’ve voted Democrat in the past. Given the behavior of the Obama campaign, and some of their supporters, it might be a very long time before I do so again.
The Obama Party is going to have to live down a very shameful campaign when this is over.
It’s one thing for Obama to lose—which we all know is going to happen—but does he have to go out on such a low, with his reputation in tatters and his image forever stained? I can’t believe I once liked and respected this man.

Posted by: MONKEY HOUSE | October 19, 2008, 3:42 pm 3:42 pm

Michelle is one ugly ass, angry militant racist gorilla, dontcha think?
ugggghh, go back to Kenya b*tch!
Posted by: MONKEY HOUSE | Oct 18, 2008 10:30:34 PM
—————————————-
So you stopped screwing your sister to post this?
Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | Oct 18, 2008 11:10:01 PM
—————————————
nope, I stopped screwing YOUR sister to post this!

Posted by: MONKEY HOUSE | October 19, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm

I am a regestered Republican and to say that I am outraged by the campaign that Sen. McCain and Sara Palin are running is an understatement. McCain has allowed himself to believe the hate and garbage spewed forth by members of his campaign and has tarnished his own image as an american hero and maverick, that had sought to do the right thing for America and the american people all of his life. He says on live TV that no Sen. Obama is not an Arab but a good and decent American and then allows the disgusting antics of his campaign to continue, speaks volumns about his character and judgement. In these times of overwhelming stress and hard times for the middle class, he thinks that a redistribution of some of Americas wealth is wrong. Well Mr. McCain where does all of the wealth of the super rich and our wealhiest corporations come from? From the backs of the American People who go to work everyday and keep the american economy running. who do you think works at these companies that produce the goods and services that bring so many millions of dollars to the to the super rich and our wealthiest corporations. But because the CEO’S and other executives no longer are able to live on a mere 20 million dollars a year they cut out incentives and perks for the working class like health benefits, pensions and so on because they now need 400 million dollars a year just to get by that must be some stressful time for them between paychecks. Mr McCain this is the 21st century and your chance has come and gone, you are not in touch with what is going on in our country today, and I know that you are upset because George W, that booze swilling coke snorting holligan got his chance to screw up the country before you did and then messed it up for you, but it is time for you to gather your hatemongering friends and pack up your petty, hateful and divisive bag of tricks and go home to one of your 7 houses and your income of several million dollars a year and just fade away with what little diginity you still have left. Get over yourself and accept that this is a new generation and your old hateful, racist and divisive views are way out of touch.

Posted by: dan | October 19, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

yeah right Dan, you’re a registered Republican my ass.
you’re a typical Obama hack.

Posted by: pam | October 19, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Pam yes I am and I have been for 35 years, and I am no ones hack! You may believe in the views of McCain and Bush that have taken our proud and prosperous nation into such a steep decline that is your right but I happen to believe that we need a new direction and John McCain is not the right person to steer the ship. We have lost way to much American treasure and way to much American Blood for the warped ideas of George W and his followers. You must also believe that the Iraq war was a necessity something we had to do. Did you see the mushroom clouds on the horizion. How is your 401K, still in your house, could you live just fine without all of the degenerates that are dragging our super society down, I bet you could. Stop being such a koolaid drinker such a follower open up your mind and have a thought of your very own however taxing that might be on you. If you can’t then you might be as described by you so intellegently just be a hack period.

Posted by: dan | October 19, 2008, 6:56 pm 6:56 pm

This will not matter. McCain is not sunk since Karl Rove , et. al. are planning to challenge and disqualify the votes a significant portion of the population. We are headed for a repeat of the stolen 2000 election and Bush has the army ready to put down the ensuing domestic outrage.

Posted by: Tim | October 20, 2008, 6:47 pm 6:47 pm

The poison from John McCain’s robo calls are scaring young children all across America who are frightened by the malicious lies being said about Obama. These terrified children, who answer the telephone calls, believe America is being attacked by terrorists. John McCain, we have laws to protect children against such abuse. These robo calls are criminal behavior and you and your thugs should be punished to the full extent of the law.

Posted by: Cluppins | October 21, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

The Republicans can’t talk about issues because they have a past history of nothing but failures. If this was a GOP grade it would straight “F”s. The Republican party has degenerated into nothing but a campaign of lies, distractions, smears, with hate and fear mongering. The have no regard for truth, honor, or our Constitution. No wonder terrorists aren’t attacking us at home. The Republicans attack our country on a daily basis with bad policy and propaganda to cover the facts.

Posted by: Brit | October 21, 2008, 5:41 pm 5:41 pm

Vote for a real leader this time instead of a misleader who poses as a “maverick”, but is nothing but Bush in every way. From running our country into a record economic ditch, to lying about Iraq, policies that destroy and disrespect our environment, wildlife, citizens rights and more. The Republicans have done a fine job of destroying our country in a way that would make Bin Laden sit back and laugh. You all remember him. He is the one who master minded 911 and is still free. A terrorists greatest hope was fulfilled when America let George Bush become President and maybe now Mccain. If you hate a country your dreams are made real when the people elect a fool. Let’s not let this happen again. Vote for a real leader. Vote for Obama!

Posted by: Brit | October 21, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm

A little info about our heroe John McCain:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/earlhopperinterview08feb08.shtml
I voted for Bush two terms but not the Repo-publicans this time. This country is too old and the politics are too ugly. We need new folks with new ideas to change this country. Either Sarah the Clown or Obama the Arab — and I prefer the later unless you believe you can see Russia from Palin’s kitchen.

Posted by: Peter | October 21, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

So ur with ur honey and yur making out wen the phone rigns. U anser it n the vioce is “wut r u doing wit my daughter?” U tell ur girl n she say “my dad is ded”. THEN WHO WAS PHONE?

Posted by: /x/ | October 21, 2008, 11:29 pm 11:29 pm

Desperation AND I almost lost my job because I politely declined to make these calls… GOOOOO MCSAME! : )

Posted by: NEEDED THAT JOB | October 22, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm

I just got one of these robocalls. It is offensive, extremely negative, and an invasion of my privacy. These calls should be outlawed! Is character assasination the GOP’s mode of conduct now? What about the issues???

Posted by: Vote the Issues! | October 22, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm

You know I think if McCain had stopped the negative foul abusive remarks weeks ago he may have had some type of chance. But I am so voting for Obama. This country does not need the ranting of a mad man. And Barbie well let’s leave her out of this..Don’t get me on her topics.
I once and I say once thought of Him as a hero. But I think he has played that line long enough.
He has become the most untrusted man I can think of. He makes Bush look good. Even Bush did not tell and do the lying that the MCPalin camp is doing. I am so disgusted. I just received one of his negative robo calls. I was appalled, such verbal abuse. My 82 dad a war veteran also just received in the mail one of the very negative mailings.ALso asking him for money to put an end to those democrats and liberal people…People? we are all americans look around. I am not anti american because I do not believe all your lies. Tells a lot about the man. Like they say back a wild animal into a corner and he will attack. That is what I see in those two. Wild animals on the attack. So uncivilized. We are supposed to be one nation under God..WHO is their god. I know in my faith you do unto your neighbors as you would want done to you!

Posted by: nancy | October 23, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Leave a Reply

Do you have more information about this topic? If so, please click here to contact the editors of ABC News.