Joe the Plumber Says He Was ‘Scared for America’ When He Met Obama

Joe the plumber sounds like a Grade A Moron. Typical self-hating middle class conservative.
We’re talking about a couple of percentage point changes in the tax rate. There’s nothing communist or socialist about it. The whole point of taxes are to ‘spread the wealth’. Get real Joe!

Joes a fake why do we care what he says ?
He worked on the Huckabee campaign!!
He isnt a real plumber!
He voted in the Republican Primary!
He isnt independent he is a tool of the Republican party and Fox News!
“Joe” (not his real name) And that McCain volunteer that claimed she was attacked are all part of the McCain palin freak/side show!
Enough everyone vote and put an end to this!

Joe the Plumber thinks his crap doesn’t stink and he is so wrong. Go back to being an unlicensed plumber – your 15 minutes of fame is up.

I think there is to much hype about Joe “the plumber”. I am more afraid of McCain and “the hockey mom” being in charge of our country.
She can see Russia from one of the islands…..I can see Canada from where I live , it does not make me an expert on foreign policy.
And as for Obama’s tax strategy we will all be better off as average workers under his plan than McCain’s. You can say you want to go out and buy your own health insurance, you think that the $2500 individual or $5000 he wants to give you is going to buy that coverage?
not very good coverage, probably very basic coverage. I work in the health insurance field and the AVERAGE plan costs $12,500 a year for a family.
people get a grip. If McCain wins the world will not stop spinning and if Obama wins it will keep rotating along just like it always does.

Joe the Plumber is the new code word for STUPID FOLK

Why are we reporting on the half-baked thoughts of someone who never sounded like an undecided voter to me but rather a clear supporter of Republicans is beyond me.

I don’t know about the rest of you but I tend to believe “normal” Americans have to be a tad bit smarter than Joe the Plumber.
You can’t help but laugh at the utter foolishness and insecurities of some men (mostly White of course). In Joe’s redneck world, Black men with Obama’s education, intellect and abilities are nothing special. The truth of the matter is if Joe actually possessed the same attributes I sincerely doubt he’d be Joe the Plumber.

This guy is a complete idiot.
I make over $250k a year and I’m not squirming over here. Figures the loaded questions would come from the conservative Washington Times.

STOP THE MADNESS – VOTE FOR CHANGE – 2008

I’m a plumber myself and I can guarantee you, Joe the plumber is no plumber. He’s just another delusional loser on Prozac.

Joe “The Tax Evader” doesn’t “want someone else’s hard earned money.” Tell it to the police, firemen, teachers, and soldiers right after you pay up the $12,000 you’ve defrauded them of…jackazz. Why should you care about Obama’s tax plan being better for you? You don’t actually pay your taxes anyway.

Let me get this straight, an unlicensed, tax evading, McCain supporter is voicing his opinion about the candidate, based on a five minute meeting. I’m sorry, Joe fears for America because of Obama, and I’m fearful for the registered voters who care what this idiot has to say.

Who CARES what this guys thinks.

Joe was scared for America? He has been made into this working class hero that he simply is not. Who cares what he thinks? Or that he scared? I have a job and pay taxes and no one cares what i think. I prouldly cast my ballot for who you’re so scared of.

This Joe the Plumber, who is not even licensed, is probably a paid mole for McBush. Nobody cares about your opinion. You are on the bandwagon of the losing team of McBush and Mayor Putin.

Okey dokey, haven’t we heard quite ENOUGH about this one person? And a fairly dim bulb of one, at that. Please, lazy media, how about moving on to the next “Paris Hilton of politics”? It’s your JOB.

UUUMMMMM… Did anyone notice another McCain/Palin lie here??? He was never asked by either campaign to join them on the trail – something that both have said they have done over and over.

this guy is a loser. He is clearly a liar and not very bright. He brough all this attention to himself and he is a tax evader and liar. Joe the Loser ins not even a real plumber.

How many of you hold full time jobs?
Most of you are probably still in college which mom and dad are paying for. Until you have lived in the real world for at least 10 years, then you can knock Joe the plumber.

Let me get this straight… John McCain’s campaign poster child owes back taxes, and isn’t a plumber? Does this campaign vet anyone properly?

Honestly speaking Joe is more of an zealous idealogue and doesn’t seem to think and analyze the problem based on his media interviews. I will be really surprised if he succeeds in building his own business. He will soon realize(after obama gets elected) he is better off from Obama’s tax policy than McCain

Wonder what his makeup costs and clothing costs are a week?

Joe is scared of the black man. He’s another example on how focus is lost on key issues like Sarah spending 150k on clothes and 20k on make up! Get real, stop being a racist.

Well now that SammyJoe has chimed in and pronounced Obama as unworthy, I know I’m gonna change my vote… McCain/Palin all the way! Geez… did I just type that. Ugh. Need to go hose down my computer.

Leo
THAT WAS GOOD!

And I’m supposed to care because???? Really Jake, with all that went on today…Palin’s depo, Palin’s screw up in her speech today, McCain’s brother going postal on a 911 operator, Joe Liebermann’s comments on Palin, a McCain worker lying about being attacked by a black man and the fact that the McCain camp pushed the incendiary story to news outlets about the attack…you go for Joe the Plumber. Maybe you ought to consider another occupation.

A Fox News watching conservative doesn’t like Obama?
That sounds like a major news story…

What Joe says makes me wonder: is he only against paying more taxes? Or is he against the idea of taxation?
I want to tell you, Joe, you are taking other people’s money now, especially since you haven’t paid up your tax and are enjoying all sorts of public services and facilities. Worse still, if you own a house, you are essentially one of those welfare recipients whom you and your hero, McCain, seem to despise: you are probably enjoying tax exemption on your mortgage payments!

“I don’t want someone else’s hard earned money.” Wow, now doesn’t that say it all? So profound! God bless America!

Washington Times owned by Reverend Moon of the moonies, good friend of GHWB.

Joe,
Your 15 minutes of fame are up.
Get used to it.

Okay, let’s see now . . .
He’s not a licensed plumber.
He’s behind in his taxes.
His boss is not a licensed plumber either.
He doesn’t make over 250K, but he’s worried about owing more taxes in the event he some day does?
He talked about possibly purchasing a business that would put him into the highest tax bracket.
He didn’t differentiate between whether the business would gross that much or net that much.
This much we know about him, and even teens and college kids understand what’s wrong with this picture.
And by the way, he claims that this mythical business opportunity is dead now why???
The point is that he doesn’t net an income of over 250K per year. He’s worried about the possibility of paying more taxes if he gets wealthier by buying a business and boosting his income. Okay, lots of Americans vote against their own current financial interests, because of their hope that one day they’ll be wealthy, and they think, “Gee, if I get wealthy one day in the future, then I don’t want to pay more taxes.”
Here in America, we have something called tax brackets. If you net $270,000.00 per year, only $20,000.00 of your income falls into the highest tax bracket. This means that under Obama’s plan, you would pay $600.00 per year more than you would under McCain’s plan. Thank you very much, but if I were hoping to someday make that kind of money, I wouldn’t vote for any presidential candidate now based on a hypothetical $600.00 higher annual tax payment once my ship comes in.
I for one believe that a government has other powers and responsibilities beyond the one of taxing. Little issues like education, health care, etc. might deserve a little attention, too!
So I’m going to look for a presidential candidate who has a broad platform I can get behind, not someone with basically one idea – reduce taxes.
I read not too long ago that the reason the Republican Party is going down now is that they haven’t adjusted their message for today. They are still running on Reagan’s platform of lower taxes. Hey guys, before Reagan lowered taxes, the highest marginal tax rate, namely the amount of tax you’d pay on that $20K above 250K in income was 70%. You would have paid $14,000.00 on that 20K in income.
Guess what? We have the lowest income tax rates of any developed nation. We’re done! We’ve lowered our income taxes. It’s time for Republicans to get a new idea!

Seems like Joe has issues with taxes including paying them, and will have to pay his back taxes no matter who is in office.

What makes Joe an expert about anything? He seems like a plant from the right. I’m not impressed by him at all. If he’s just an average guy…he should just go vote and shut up.

How even cares what Joe the plumber has to say!!!!! Just cause he lives in Ohio does not mean he represents all of us who make less than 250,000.00. I pay my taxes on time unlike others who don’t seem to think it is important!

This non-plumber is a Republican sold on McCain. So he’s naturally using his notoriety to spin the story in the Republican way. He’s actually quite smart. “It doesn’t matter if I would be better off under Obama’s plan; it’s the principle of the thing. How do I know he’ll stick to $250K?” he asks. But the candidates’ believability is a completely separate topic, isn’t it? How does he know that McCain is believable? He does not.
Just a few more days and it’ll be over. All the horribly negative campaigning which McCain had foresworn, all the dropping g’s, all the erratic messages which have nothing to do with what people want to hear about.

I am unsure of why we are listening to Joe about issues. Joe is not a expert. He states Obama can change his mind but we have seen that McCain has changed his mind many times in this campaign.
Not to mention… McCain voted with Bush 90% of the time stating he agrees with financial plans Bush has instituted, and small businesses have not been helped at all the past 8 years. Thus what would make one thing that McCain’s plans would help out small businesses!

I am “Doug the Painter”. I would like ABC to set up a debate between “Joe the Plumber” and me.
Anytime…anywhere!

Why should ANYBODY be listening to this fool?

You heard it from Joe. Barack Obama is an average American.

Go Joe!
Don’t take my money, and please, stay in your trailor! Thank you on behalf of the hard working Warren Buffet and Bill Gates!

If you do not care about Joe the Plumber, why talk about him. Isn’t your time worth something.

Lou
Is it me or is it strange that Joe the Plumber is more qualified to talk about taxes then Palin is.

For every federal tax dollar Illinois sends to Washington, it gets back only 78 cents. Ohio, however, gets back $1.06. Joe, I’d like some of my hard-earned money back. In cash. No check please.

Tax the 401ks… let government take control

Joe the “plumber” is an idiot. While he’s making what he makes, some rich triple digit millionaire bastard in north Jersey or downstate NY is hauling in millions each month — and if it’s up to Joe, that guy won’t pay a dime in taxes.
Joe, you’re an absolute idiot and your alleigance to the republican party is blatant. Stop trying to stretch out your fame and just disappear from the national spotlight, spare us all please.

joe the plumber is so well to do and a self righteous american, tell me why his windows had blankets on them and most windows were boarded up with plywood. …maybe he is a plumber of a meth clinic pipes!!!!

Some time it’s hard to know what to believe. What I can’t believe is that this guy is still getting any air time, at all, really. Is this the best representation the media can come up with for an average American? If so I’m insulted.
The simple fact is that nobody’s hurt Joe’s dreams more than Joe himself. It’s always easier to blame others for your failures than own up to your own short comings. Joe’s are numerous enough to exclude taking anything he says as news worthy.

Joe to handyman was scared because he knew his story was untrue. Joe the plumber when was the last time you read a book on plumbing? Answer. “I read all the plumbing books, all the time, whenever one is in front of me. I read them all.” Joe they call that breaking the law. Working without a permit. You can go to jail for that if you were a brown or black. It is like calling your self police and you are really just work security for Wal Mart.

Good God. He’s a redneck from Ohio. Who cares what he thinks. He’s going to run for office.Ha that’s funny. I think Toledo has much more qualified people to serve. Joe can’t even manage his own life let alone anyone elses.Let him spit out his agenda to the Fox News gang. Really, enough with Joe and his opinions and slanted ideals.

LMG, then why are you talking about him?

Obama gave Joe a cogent answer. McCain gave Joe more fame than his career warrants.

Joes doesn’t want someone else’s hard earned money. Oh, you honest, noble citizen Joe. I’ll tell you what. You can start by giving back some of the money that wealthy people are paying in taxes so you can have children who go to a good public school. The wealthy people, Joe, are subsidizing you, as you pay very little taxes as a plumber.
So Joe, start by re-imbursing some of the higher income people in your town who are subsidizing you and the services your receive through their taxes.
Joe, you’re being used and exploited by the Republican National Committee — you’re merely a prop, and they care a lot more about Joe the hedgefund manager than they care about you.

That’s funny, because most GOP Senators are afraid about the possibility of McCain being president, because they know John McCain all too well.
They know as well as the democrats that he will out the pork barrel spending done by everyone.

Joe should be scared! (All he has to do is read these posts.) Why don’t you get it? THE ONE pulls into Joe’s yard unannounced and Joe is the plant and a fake. Come on people! THE ONE has the audacity to charge the press $900+ for the right to cover his election night headquarters. (I guess THE ONE’s Country doesn’t have a free press) WAKE UP PEOPLE! Question: If it’s racist to not vote for a man because of his color is it racist to vote for man just because of his color? I’m scared for America! But I guess that makes me a fake…

HaHa, I love the articel, especially the line:
he seemed very average…

JOE THE PLANT! (and we all know that plants aren’t very smart!)

It”s scary that some of you are going to vote. It’s obvious that you want the government to take care of you.

“Rep. Barney Frank calls for 25% cut in military spending”
Who is going to veto this cut once Obama is elected? Obama will likely make it a higher cut!

Of course Joe was scared. He lies about his profession, steals the jobs of real plumbers, refuses to pay taxes, and suddenly he is face to face with an honest, gentle and righteous 21st century American hero who is all about fairness and responsability. That’s frightening.

Of course, if ol Joe had come away from his meeting with Obama claiming he had seen the light, all the Obamabots would be hearlding him as an example of the common mans endorsment of the new Messiah. But, since he isn’t saying what you want to hear, he is irrelevant. You Obamabots are nothing if not consistant.
Posted by: The Messiah has arrived
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That’s because he did not want to see
the light. Going in public and telling
everyone that he was a licensed plumber?
He lost his credibility with all us licensed
professionals.

Eh, socialism isn’t so bad. Canada is doing swell with a socialist democracy. I mean, if you make bank in the states, it will suck but really, do doctors NEED six figures? Who really needs to have more than that!?

I did a little checking into Samuel J. “Joe” Wurtzelbacher, myself. It seems that not only is America’s most infamous plumber owing on back taxes, not a business owner or even licensed; he is a relative of Robert Wurtzelbacher, of the Keating five scandal….HMMMM….And Fox News just happened to catch this “impromtu exchange öut of the blue”…HMMMMM… I find it interesting that McCain is the one who brings up JOE NOBODY in the third debate and intentionally misprounces Mr Wurtzelbacher’s name as “WertzleBERGER”to throw off any connection to the Keating scandal that McCain was was up to his armpits in. Yeah, we know he got off with a rap on the wrist,mainly because McCains’family is a powerful name, with connections up the Wazoo… the whole “Joe the Plumber” skit was probably dreamt up by Tucker Eskew, who is an evil genious at the artful dodge…HMMMMM INDEED…..

Poor people have been voting for the Democrats for over 50 years. Guess what? They are STILL poor. Taking money from other people isn’t going to make them better off.
Not to mention that the Democrats are going to gut our military (25% cut per Barney Frank) and make us weak right when our enemies are getting stronger (Russia).

Posted by: A Veteran
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I miss that guy, he had a hell
of a retrospective to life

There are plenty of NARROW MINDED PEOPLE IN AMERICA!!!!
You Betcha!!!!
OBAMA\BIDEN08

You guys have it all wrong. Every last one of you. The ONLY person/agency/organization responsible for giving Joe the Plumber even 1 minute of fame is the corporate-run media. The real issue is: open up the debates to Nader. Until that happens, the best any of you can hope for is to quabble among yourselves about … Joe the Plumber. The real issues will continue to get suppressed in the meantime.
Hey here’s a thought: any of you who are registered to vote – GO CAST YOUR VOTE. Chances are you have a choice besides Obamacain on your state’s ballot. Rather than wasting your time posting comments about inane non-issues here, go educate yourself on who’s on your ballot and get some people in office who will make a REAL difference and not just spend YOUR money talking about it.

Does everybody here really think that 250,000 is middle class. If so then the vast majority of people are lower class. Do you think that an extra 500 to 1000 dollars a year will make that big a difference to them? Where is he spreading the wealth to. He says spread the wealth and your eyes glaze over with thoughts of money. The rise in prices accross the board with windfall profits tax and higher taxes on corporations will eat that up in no time. Then what.

who gives a crap what sam the wannabe plumber thinks?

I thought Joe The Plant was done with the media ? Funny how just a blue collar guy with no money can do so well with the media. What’s next joe , or whoever you are, Hollywood ? McCain’s campaign is the most pathetic I’ve seen in a long time.You know in the 50′s and 60′s it was communism, even Reagan used it, now it’s Terrorist. When will people wake up to the B.S.
Ex Republican

Hey Joe! the bs goes in the pipes remember? Not coming out of your mouth. This guy is what we in the trades call a cull, he was thrown back

Joe the plumber is actually Joe the loser.

It’s rather obvious that this guy is paid by the McCain crew to run his mouth with utter nonsense. If he’s told by everyone that under Obama he would get a tax reduction, there’s no reason for him to continue his ranting, especially since this was “his original question” to Obama. For him to now say, well even if I got to pay less taxes, that would not be right…is simply BS. The McCain crew has got to be the dumbest bunch of bastards known to man. People see through this, they just think we are stupid.

hamishdad :
I guess you think we should all work and share our hard earned money with those who choose not to work as hard. Say possibly you. Otherwise why would you even make such statements.
Now that Joe the plumber does not agree with Obama the Dem’s are all against him and say he is not a regular Joe. You guys will drag up…and make up anything to deceive people. Fortunately there are some educated people who are smart enough to vote for McCain and see through Obama’s and his lies.
Wake up America before it is too late.
If Obama gets sworn in he will not put his hand on the Bible, do you want that kind of man as our President.

…and, Jake the maybe-writer….it is nothing personal about Joe the whatever…it is just simply the fact that this is like a children’s play. NO ONE CARES what one person from somewhere says about the election….but you are giving constant media to the one person….and that person is a TAX EVADER, which in NO WAY bothers republicans, but really really infuriates the REST OF THE US WHO BELIEVE IN US LAWS AND PAY OUR TAXES. So JAKE, on a daily basis , you are touting a tax evader as an “expert” on …something. JOE IS AN EXPERT ON USING THE MEDIA, AND ON TAX EVASION. SURELY THERE MUST BE SOME STORIES on the media as dunces,….. or perhaps the dangers of tax evasion….you could put JOE to good use in. If you are counting on JOE for your political advice and expertise, you are a bigger fool than mccain…and that is indeed impressive!

The whole point of taxes are to ‘spread the wealth’. Get real Joe!
Posted by: Adam
No. The whole point of taxes is to fund essential public programs. Not to spread the wealth. Dam Democrats have you thinking like them.

spacerook1
What do you mean??

Joe the “NOT” a Plumber lied, and was taken in by the Republicans.. They tend to like that in a person. bush, cheney, rove, libby, dulay, foley, craig, gonzales, and many more.. Just go pay your taxes, so that McCain, and his wife won’t have to.. You sound more & more like Joe the fool.

Obama is an absolutely deceitful liar who secretly resents America. His consistent associations of America haters shows it. This man is DANGEROUS!!!
Posted by: jasoninpa10 | Oct 24, 2008 10:32:17 PM
You might want to look at McCain’s associates.

Joe the Plumber has a valid points. In Silicon Valley, roughly 28% workers make more than $125,000. Remember, the higher tax rate is $125,000 is for single and $250,000 for couple under Obama’s tax plan. So, be prepared.
Posted by: Peter T.
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Come on Peter, a tiny area on the map? Is that the
best you can do? Single, making $125,000! Boy,
they must be living it up. Bet they aren’t looking at coupons for food.

LET’S BE CLEAR: While the economy is important, there is nothing more important than the protection of our country from attacks by the Islamo-Fascists. While the efforts of the Bush Administration have done an excellent job to date, there is no guarantee that an untested, inexperienced, 47 year old Community Organizer will do the same, even if he knew how, and especially if he has a habit of associating with terrorists himself. DON’T PUT THE WHOLE COUNTRY IN DANGER ! VOTE McCAIN-PALIN.

Concerned in Ohio,
The most scary thing of all is reading the rhetoric here. With all the accusations back and forth clouding the real truths it would be sad tho think someone would decide their vote based on what they read. When someone does come out with a legitimate question or opinion they are pounced on like a pack of hungry dogs after food. It is shameful to think our country is at this level

Well, the GREAT news is that most of America is SUPPORTING OBAMA, so the haters on these blogs are the remnants of the minority GOP!!! Go America!!!
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We’re missing the point it does not mater if Joe is Joe, or a real plumber, or out for fame. Maybe Joe’s dream was fact that some day he’d be able to buy the plumbing business, and maybe it was just that, a dream. There are hundreds of thousands of Joes out there that have worked hard for that American dream and achieved it. Mr. Obama now wants to spread that dream around, to the non dreamers.
What say you young college graduates here’s some great incentive. Work hard to succeed, get a better paying job, maybe start your own business & hand it over to the Feds, they know how to spread your wealth.

i wonder if he is being guided on what to say from the mccain camp to sway voters!?! kinda sounds like it

A Veteran:
I enjoyed his sense of humor, though a
little crass toward the end of his life, he
always tended to say what people thought.

Fight For Democracy—You crack me up!
WE WILL DEFEND DEMOCRACY IN THIS COUNTRY … WE WILL DEFEND REWARDS FOR HARD WORK (Oh really, well what the hell has happened to your 401k and standard of living under Republican rule, uh????… WE WILL DEFEND FREEDOM TO WORK HARD AND KEEP WHAT WE WORKED HARD FOR (I worked hard for my 401k. It is 40% lower now than it was a year ago, even though I have continued to invest in it… WE WILL SPREAD OPPORTUNITIES BUT NEVER STEAL THE MONEY OF HARDWORKING AMERICANS AND GIVE TO THOSE WHO ARE TOO LAZY TO WORK FOR THEMSELVES. (Oh really? Than who the hell is going to pay for our war debts and the $700B your president just committed us to?
VOTE MCCAIN – AND SEND A MESSAGE TO ACORN THAT VOTER FRAUD IS NOT OK (Republicans are the pros at voter suppression. Have been for many years or Bush would have never been elected the first time, much less the second.
VOTE MCCAIN – AND SEND A MESSAGE TO OBAMA THAT ALIGNING WITH RADICALS THE PAST 20 YEARS IS NOT OK … Oh really? Radicals? Well, just look what the Republican radicals (Bush, Rove, ALito, Falwell, Dobson, etc.) have done to our country for the past eight years. It’s about time we have some liberal radicals in charge to bring about some equilibrium to the world.
VOTE MCCAIN – AND SEND A MESSAGE TO OBAMA THAT SPREADING WEALTH TO ACORN IS NOT OK …It’s time some wealth was spread to the bottom 95% of the population. To hell with the top 5% that have been given a free ride over the past eight years. Hell, even Buffett is angry his tax rate is less than his secretary’s. Get real!
VOTE MCCAIN – AND SEND A MESSAGE TO CNN/MSNBC/NEW YORK TIMES THAT MEDIA LYING AND BIASENESS IS AN INSULT TO HONEST JOURNALISTS WORLD OVER … What the hell do you call Fox News, and all of the radical right-wing radio talking heads. Go cry me a freaking river! Conservatives have plenty of voices out there in media land. It’s just that their mantra is getting boring and irrelevant and nobody but yourself wants to listen to it anymore.
VOTE MCCAIN – AND SEND A MESSAGE TO OBAMAMANIACS THAT SOCIALISTM IS NOT ACCEPTABLE IN AMERICA. WE ARE A DEMOCRACY AND WILL REMAIN SO. We are not heading for socialism. That is such a lame excuse and you know it. You’re desperate and it shows.
VOTE MCCAIN – AND SEND A MESSAGE TO DNC THAT STEALING THE 401K OF HARD WORKING AMERICANS AND GIVING IT TO ACORN AND THE LIKE IS NOT OK . You are smoking crack! DNC? Stealing your 401K? I think Bush’s economic policies have done a fine job of that. The DNC has no access to your 401k, plus you are the one that dictates how your 401k is invested. I am sure the DNC would love for you to invest in their own DNC Family Aggressive Growth Fund, and if you were smart, you would invest in it heavily. It is looking like that is about the only fund that is looking up 11 days before Election Day.
Finally, you sound really desperate. Perhaps a good therapist will assist you through the next eight years as President Obama turns this country around. If you are like most of us, you will have more money in your pocket so you will be able to afford the 110/hr that the average therapist charges. Good luck to you!

As ai watch this election, I can’t help to wonder how the right wing, republicans, and I don’t mean the intelligent republicans, and there are a lot of us, I mean the dumd idiots like joe the plumber, maybe there is good reason he is a plumber. These people who love to rally around the flag, have no concept of what a democracy is, they rail againts europe, the far east the middle east, and anything that generally point at flaws at America. You have to realize you live in a country that is 10 Trillion dollars in debt, those same countries you rail against are what is keeping all of us a float.If amarica is to survive and prosper we must embrace the notion, we make mistakes and we must also embrace the ideas that work and not all these ideas are American idea’s but they are still great ideas, which brings me to this election, The republicans have villafied the idea of “share the wealth”, while the democrats have embraced the concept of spreading the wealth, by collectively working and pooling our resources together in order to uplift the entire society, think about it all those ceo’s that are making millions of dollars, would’nt it be nice if they shared the wealth proportionally, rather then selfishly. So remember joe the plumber, if you want to live in an America, that does not distributes it wealth amongst its citizen, then I ask you to look at countries like mexico, brazil, and africa, that is what happens to countries and people that practise a selfish notion of capitalism, remember there is a diffrence between capitalism and greed.

I enjoyed his sense of humor, though a
little crass toward the end of his life, he
always tended to say what people thought.
I’m still alive so I guess you didn’t mean me, sorry.

WHO IS LOSING THE ELECTION ? Hint: John…

there is no good…nor bad…this is a government that our founders created…taxes are taxes….capital is capital…and human beings are just that…humans…so, Joe, you have an opnion, and just like everyone else in this country, every body has there own…weather they are right or wrong , it doesn’t matter one damn bit….there has never been a single government on the face of this rock that can govern their own….and thats a fact of this life we have.

This may have already been said before, but does Plumber Joe realize that the welfare he says (hannity show) his family used several times was because taxes, aka, “other peoples” money was collected. I don’t have a problem with people receiving welfare when times are hard, but I do have a problem when they receive “welfare” and then criticizing the progressive tax plan that collected it. Also, I noticed a clip where John McCain stated on Hardball in 1998 that when you made a little more, you were expected to carry a little more of the burden. So don’t give me this bull about a socialist welfare system. Every representative, president and senator who leaves Washington in good standing is entitled to a long term payment of benefits collected from tax payers. I have never heard of one refusing to accept payment yet. McCain said it was an outrage that the government is buying his medicine, but I didn’t recall him saying that he turned it down.

People, people, when you watch the video of the initial encounter between this guy and Obama, you see it was planned. “Joe” pushed his way to the front. He is an in-law of Keating’s, according to the news. Wake up!

I bet Obama’s thoughts when he was talking to Joe the Plumber was “holy crap, if this is what America is about we are in big trouble.
Wow Democratic, it must be nice to be so fortunate to have born into such a high station in life. Truth is, although you may scoff from you lofty perch at the Joes of the world, they are the very common people who built this country, and day in and day out keep it running so elete snobs like yourself don’t have to get your hands dirty. Thanks for th insight into the mind of an Obamabot.

Why is this fellow Joe still in the news, can we please let his 15 minutes of undeserved fame just end now.

Boy you guys get really when someone doesn’t think that sugar pours from your messiah’s lips and is just an average “joe”. He nailed it, Obama is a celebrity wannabe hack politican with no experience and the plumber exposed his socialistic plan on national tv and it grips the hell out of you Obamabots.

HAPPY HALLOWEEN !
TRICK: McCain
TREAT: OBAMA !

Joe does not have the money to buy the business he claims he wanted. Joe does not belong to the Plumbers union like he claimed. Joe did not have the plumbers lisence when he began to make himself public.

jasoninpa10
Your analysis is complete BS. It’s as valid as saying because Tampa is in the world series, the stock market went down. World markets are not all over the place because of Presidential polls. If you hadn’t noticed, there’s been a complete financial markets meltdown. (It was in the news)
And you’re a day trader? I hope you don’t actually believe the crap you’re saying.
And it was the SEC that deregulated five mega-banks and allowed them to lend at 40 to 1 instead of the 12 to 1 loan to holdings ratio they previously had. This promoted a cash influx and loan extensions that previoualy would not have been granted. That occured in 2004. Which five banks collapsed? The very five that were deregulated. Who was in charge in 2004? Take a guess. It sure wasn’t the Dems.

A McCain volunteer was arrested for filing a false report.
She claimed that she was attacked by a supporter of Obama who carved a B on her cheek.
But that was a lie. She carved the Backwards B on her cheek herself while looking in the mirror. And she gave herself the bruses. Now she claims to be mentally disturbed.

It appeared that Joe the plumber does not know what he wants. He looks to me as deceitful and out of sense. Why did he make up a story which he never and will never exprience? He needs to know how tax policy works in the country. If two persons make the same income does not mean they will pay same tax. There are many issues that are factored in to determine the tax for each individual. I think Joe should rather be grateful to Obama tax policies because he will be a beneficairy when Obama becomes President. Joe rest your stupid case.

Do you know why McCain got out of the Navy? Because he would NEVER make flag rank(Admiral)like his dad or grandfather.
Because he is a looser!
He lost out in 2000 & 2004 and now in 2008 that makes him a 3 time looser, in baseball (the all American sport) 3 strikes and your OUT !
Obama/Biden = Greatness for America.

Just scrolling through and the comments about Joe the Plumber being a “plant” are hysterical. This guy was in HIS yard, in HIS neighborhood and Obama and his crowd converged into Joe’s territory. Like everyone else, Joe became part of the bystanders listening to
Q & A from Obama, so he asked a simple question.
Because Obama didn’t answer the way the American people would have wanted him to, it’s some how the plumbers fault?
How about some self-responsibility for a CHANGE? I HOPE “The Messiah” has learned a lesson from all of this. But from his interview with Robin Roberts, apparently, he has not CHANGED his stance on his “spread the wealth” philosophy. I HOPE he comes to his senses because if he is elected the hard working American people are the ones getting scr*wed!
Thanks Joe for asking a question that enquiring minds wanted to know. Unfortunately Obama’s answer wasn’t all we had HOPED for.
Sometimes CHANGE is not a good thing.

If you watched the discussion between Obama and Joe the plumber, Obama took the time to engage him in serious discussion, was thoughtful and gracious.
To say that Joe was scared for America is beyond suspicious. I watched the interview with a friend of mine who is very conservative and he was impressed that Obama took so much time to explain matters to Joe.
If there is a phony in this story it is Joe who it turns out is not a licensed plumber, doesn’t have anything other than perhaps a dream, which is great. But let’s not hold this guy up as a shinning star when he appears to be just a working Joe, and his concerns are illusionary and unrealistic. He probably doesn’t know what capital gain’s are, no idea how the tax system works.

Why can the Obama followers here not possibly see the ‘other side of the coin’? They think everyone else is ignorant or stupid if they don’t agree with Obama’s idelogies and ideas. Can they not just entertain another thought even for a brief moment other than their saintly leader? They remind me of the type to follow Jim Jones into Guyana or something.

To average guy
I have never had any lien against myself for not paying my taxes. He lied to Obama that he was a plumber and was buying the company. He is not a plumber. I guess your world is built on lies and smoke screens. Most of the people who built America could speak the truth and did. Your good friend lied on National TV. Now I see why you align yourself with McCain: lies, no morales.

Questions:
If McCain the Maverick knows how to win and get Obama, why haven’t we won and gotten Obama? After all he has bucked his party and surely, they would have listened to him..
If tax breaks for the wealthy creates jobs and opportunities, why so many jobs lost last 8 years and middle class and poor struggling?
Why didn’t the Republicans pick him over the George Bush? Oh yeah he wanted Obama to run against George the Idiot.
Why wasn’t McCain’s wife charged with identity theft when she knowingly and falsely filled prescription narcotics under someone else’s name for her consumption?
And what was John McCooky mumbling during the debate before he through Ayers out..It’s been awhile but if you look back, he looks like he was psyching himself before game day.
Can anybody help me out?

Joe the plumber did get Obama to state the truth about his tax plan. He got Obama to talk long enough to talk honestly and not from a script.
Good job Joe.
G.I. Joe, a true American hero. Yo Joe!

Posted by: S Adams | Oct 24, 2008 11:05:57 PM
The only reason this guy is still in the news is because McCain/Palin have latched on to the uninformed and have exploited him and his narrow minded views. Everything he has said is the same bs that McCain and Palin have been spreading.

Taxes are necessary. It’s what pays for our troops serving in Iraq & Afghanistan that make it possible for people like him to have the freedom to complain about taxes.
Lucky for him he didn’t live during WWII. People paid a lot of taxes compared to now.

Because Obama didn’t answer the way the American people would have wanted him to, it’s some how the plumbers fault?
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What? What are you talking about? Which Americans? The 54% that are voting for Obama?
I think they are fine with how he answered.
See, smart people can listen to an entire conversation. We don’t have to have everything reduced to an overly simplistic intertpretation.

I respect Joe’s opinion. That’s one vote for McCain. I respectfully disagree and feel strongly that Joe will be much better off with Obama at the helm. It’s been a long campaign and Obama has been steady as a rock and sharp as a tack throughout. I have complete confidence in him. I have seen that unlike Bush, he is very smart. And unlike Bush he reaches out and listens to those with expertise on issues. And unlike Bush, he is a consensus builder not a unilateralist.
He has the potential to be a great president. McCain is erratic, makes bad judgments, has a lousy temperament and will continue most of Bush’s failed policies.
McCain’s past influence is Bush and his star of the future is Palin. Now that’s scary.

Why can the Obama followers here not possibly see the ‘other side of the coin’? They think everyone else is ignorant or stupid if they don’t agree with Obama’s idelogies and ideas. Can they not just entertain another thought even for a brief moment other than their saintly leader?
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 24, 2008 11:06:39 PM
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Most of us deal in logic and facts that’s why.
It is very difficult for us to imagine how some people can believe and accept what ever they choose to with plenty of documented evidence to the contrary.
It seems our brains work differently.

Joe should work on getting a license first before he starts running his mouth.

GOP, of course, you are counting on the Messiah once elected actually doing what he said he would. Everyone rants about how dishonest politicians are, except The Messiah apparently. P.T. Barnum was right, and boy are some of you in for a surprise.

it sounds like Biden is scared of an Obama presidency as well.

Every American that works for a living, whether you are middle class or wealthy, should be that the left thinks they should take our money and spread it around to those that are too lazy to work. Enough is enough. It’s time to stop the welfare mentality.

Biden has been waiting to get in the White House for over 30 years I don’t think he is scared of anything but more anxious to win.

Most of us deal in logic and facts that’s why.
It is very difficult for us to imagine how some people can believe and accept what ever they choose to with plenty of documented evidence to the contrary.
It seems our brains work differently.
And that is why some of us won’t be voting for the Messiah. Thanks for making our point.

I see that our little attackee at the ATM made that story up. Any idiot could have seen that story wasn’t true because of the backwards B on her face.

His argument comes down to, “I don’t believe Obama when he says I’ll get a tax break. What if he changes his mind?”
Well, what if McCain changes HIS mind?
This is a guy who is beyond the reach of facts. He’s been presented with the facts, but just decided to make up his own paranoid theory about what Obama will really do.
He is evidently driven by deep-seated suspicion. I won’t speculate where that comes from… but I do have to wonder why he compared Obama to Sammy Davis Jr.

The “you must be a racist if you don’t vote for our messiah” is really getting old and a poor excuse for defending and justifying your candidate. He has numerous flaws that can be plainly seen if you would take off those rose colored glasses.Neither candidate is perfect by a long shot.Supporting Obama is one thing, utter blind devotion is just plain delusional and dangerous

America has turned into an “Entitlement” society. I believe if you want something, WORK for it. Don’t expect someone else to carry the load.

Why does the “liberal media” give one iota’s worth of coverage to Joe, the plumber, whose real name isn’t Joe, that doesn’t have a license, and is too stupid to realize he’s a pawn. Shame on ABC. Little Joey’s 15 minutes of undeserved fame are OVER!

JOE THE NON PLUMBER PAY YOUR BACK TAXES

What about our schools, hospitals, roads, etc? I understand your view but if you are well off why not pay a little bit more taxes for the good of the country? Is it really going to affect them anyways?

I wonder if there is anyone out “there” who can explain why this less than obscure citizen is getting media attention?
What is wrong with our society when someone – by sheer fate or luck of the draw – has a moment in the lights of a camera? All we only really know about this Joe character is that he is not who he originally claimed.
Beyond this issue, but connected, is the McCain-Palin campaign continuing to embarrass itself with the incessant “Joe the Plumber” nonsense. Apparently not satisfied with the malaprops by each of the candidates (especially Governor Palin), and the continued fabrications and misrepresentations in their speeches, they continue to play this “Joe” nonsense.
For these reasons alone, it will be wonderful when the campaigns end. And, for those who may shake their heads and shout “Just another wacko Lib,” nothing could be further from the truth. I am a life-long independent, and a self-declared social and political moderate. In fairness, however, I have been drawn closer to the Democratic Party than ever with the Bush-Cheney Regime and – as a punctuation mark – Senator McCain and his sad ravings in the twilight of his life.

Since when do under achievers represent the average American. If the Left had chosen such a representative (e.g. no professional license, tax liens, etc.), the Right would have had a blast in the media. This guy doesn’t want Obama to share the wealth, yet he has accepted donations to pay his tax lien. He can’t even pay his own bills yet he is more concerned about helping those who earn more than $250,000 than those who earn less. What a gracious heart this man has. I hate to shatter his hopes and dreams, but the chances of him earning more than $250,000 are about the same as Ed McMahon showing up on my door step with a million dollar check.

Joe needs to pay his back taxes first before he starts running his mouth.

You know why we know he’s a McCain paid flunky? Because, he asked a question about taxes…AND HE DOESN’T EVEN PAY HIS TAXES. So, why would somebody be so upset about something that he doesn’t do anyway…like paying taxes. That’s like me complaining about the high taxes in Outer Mongolia and be upset about it when I don’t live there. This show gets more and more hillarious everyday.

America has turned into an “Entitlement” society. I believe if you want something, WORK for it. Don’t expect someone else to carry the load.
Posted by: mom—–tell that to the fat cats on wall street that the middle class just bailed out.

Enough with “Joe the plumber” and who cares what “Joe” thinks about Mr. Obama, Mr. McCain, or really anyone else. Want to interview me and my impressions? Didn’t think so. Joe’s is old news. Let’s move on.

Kim, those words are gonna taste might bitter when you realize, like most of us have who have lived through a lot of presidents, that you were sold a bill of goods that were never intended to be delivered. You don’t believe me and I don’t care. Every generation need to learn for themselves.

To the Average Guy and other neocons
I for one admit that I voted for the Messiah Obama. I want him for my President. He has shown poise, grace, intelligence, and his love for America. I believe that you will be the one to be surprised when you benefit from his policies. You no longer will have your friends Bush, McCain, and Palin spoon feeding you lies that have tainted your way of thinking and acting. You will once again love America and ALL of it’s people as we are ALL Americans.
I remember as a small child reading the Pogo cartoon in the sunday paper and his famous expression was “We met the enemy and it is us”! The neocons have turned us against each other in their incestuous rape of Americas values and pride. What a shameful 8 years this has been. The republican party is imploding while we watch and its a very sad sight. Be very careful Republicans what you wish for, you may just get it.

But golly, gee, I only make $30,000/yr, and if I had to pay my fair share of taxes I wouldn’t have enough money to pay for my cell phone, or my cable, or my internet, or to get my hair highlighted, or my tanning salon membership, or my gym membership. So, I think those that make $250,000/yr should pay their share of taxes and mine too. Cause, I mean, someone has to pay for the schools, and the roads and all that stuff, you know. That’s fair, isn’t it?

Maybe Joe thinks McCain will pay his debts or pay for him to get a license to work as a plumber? Man, he’s in for a disappointment.
We sure hear a lot of talk from such a nobody, but then that’s all McCain has left is nothing and nobody. Today one of his own advisors announced that he had voted for Obama. That’s gotta hurt.

With Chavez at his side, Ayers voiced his support for “the political educational reforms under way here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution. . . . I look forward to seeing how . . . all of you continue to overcome the failures of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane.”
Ayers told the great humanitarian Chavez: “Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions large and small. La educacion es revolucion.” It is that form of socialist revolution that Ayers, and Obama, have worked to bring to America.
You want the CHANGE, well why don’t you aask the citizens of Venezuela what they think of CHAVEZ? I forgot, Chavez took over all public media…TV & radio, he also had the gov’t take over all oil companies….You just watch Dem’s you supported Obama and you just watch him take over everything that makes a profit and control the media so that we the people will never ever see the real truth..Oh I forgot, majority of us are not getting to see the real truth about Obama because he already controls ABC, NBC, CBS….At least FOX won’t be control and now CNN is slowing waking up….

How many of you owe more than 1200 dollars on your credit card? If you do then you owe more than joe does on his taxes and you are just as much the problem as joe.Keep on throwing rocks from that glass house.

I’m scared to see that Joe on the street. I hope he doesn’t come out on Halloween.

No Joe the Taxpayer, I do not support Obama. He wants to spread the wealth. I don’t believe in entitlement like Obama does.

Jake Taper,
Please let Joe the Fake Plumber, crawl back into his cave and out of his misery !!!

The GOP want to elect a guy who will most likely be dead before the end of his term. His erratic behavior is proof that he’s losing it. Would you elect your 72 year old grandpa in a nursing home as president? I think not.

Bible? What does the bible have to do with the tax system? Have you heard of separation of church and state in our constitution?

See, there you go lying again. It wasn’t Obama who kept bring JOE up. I believe it was good ole fart McCain. And it has backfired on him. McCain is the one who really made Joe look the fool and now good ole Joe the plumber has turned it on it’s ear to make ole fart McCain look the fool. And you guys blame these foolish men doing foolish things on the democrats.

The scorn, hatred that Obama has for Joe the plumber shows Obama and his supporters hate the blue collar workers in America.
A lot of blue collar workers are voting for McCain because Obama and his supporters simply despise them like they did for Joe from Ohio.

If Joe the Plumber thinks he can’t afford to buy the business (when he finally gets to it) under Obama’s tax plan then he really needs to consult a good accountant. Obama’s plan lowers taxes on the first $250,000 Joe makes. On the money over $250,000, Joe would pay 39% under Obama, instead of the 36% he now pays. That’s 3% more taxes, not exactly break-the-bank if you have already made $250,000 at a low rate. In fact, if Joe makes $280,000 then his taxes will only go up $900 a year (that’s 3% of $30,000, the amount over $250,000). Plus, Obama will give him a $1,000 tax credit for every job he creates, and tax credits for every employee that he provides health insurance for. Under Obama’s plan, Joe’s business will actually pay LESS TAX than it does now, as long as he has even just one employee.
McCain’s plan will tax the first $250,000 at a the current rate, then drop the taxes on anything over $250,000 by an unspecified amount. McCain’s plan does not give him a tax credit for every job he creates. If he provides health care for his employees he will now have to deduct yet another tax from their paychecks, adding administrative burden to his company. Not to mention that Joe will have to pay this tax himself on his personal income, which amounts to an extra $4,200 a year he pays in taxes (35% of the $12,000 a typical policy costs). And if his company does not provide health care, he and his employees will have to pay individually for their health insurance (average cost $12,000 per year), they’ll get a $5,000 tax credit under McCain, but be out of pocket at least $7,000 per year for their policy. Either way, Joe will pay MORE taxes under McCain’s plan.
What’s more scary Joe? How can you face such a clear and honest answer about a plan that could benefit you and be scared? John Mccain is counting on you to not do your math, to take his words at face value..and you are falling for it, fighting the very man who is fighting on your behalf…wake up joe

Why is this moron, who isn’t Joe, isn’t a plumber and hasn’t been paying his taxes, still making headlines? Just how stupid has our news media become?

How many of you owe more than 1200 dollars on your credit card? If you do then you owe more than joe does on his taxes and you are just as much the problem as joe.Keep on throwing rocks from that glass house.
Posted by: barack is a hack | Oct 24, 2008 11:35:15 PM
Nobody cares what this putz has to say. Obviously he is too stupid to realize that he is being used and not very effectively, I might add.

Joe’s not even a real plumber, but he does OWE taxes. If McCain was really for “Joe the plumber”, he would not have forced him into this position that he’s in now.

Anybody who criticized Joe the Plumer needs to take a deep breath then think a big picture of the dream to own a small business in America. Joe has explained Obama’s tax plan in a simple term (not an encrypted term) which every American can understand. In Ohio, Obama said he wants to “spread the wealth around” quoted. That is socialism !

Joe’s got a good point, actually, and although I’ll be voting for Obama, I sure wish I could vote for a guy that wasn’t so quick to judge who is and who is not wealthy. I make over $250 K – but I work 14-hour days, pay my own health insurance, and employee others. I get no tax breaks of any kind. Large companies and coporations hardly pay any tax, and trully wealthy folks don’t pay any taxes at all. I provide good jobs, and get reamed by our disgusting government. But – what’s worse? Getting ripped off for texes for which you get no benefit, or watching your country commit economic suicide by waging unnecessary and unjustified wars? I’ll take the former, but wish I could choose neither. I wish I had a true fiscally conservative candidate to vote for, but no intelligent person could survive the American political selection process.

To Obama=socialism You say that every generation needs to learn for themselves of the consequences of their actions, so Kennedy was bad? LBJ was bad? Because if you didn’t know, Obama is being compared to those people, not to Nixon or Bush. Whenever this country has been through a tough struggle, the man elected during that struggle or at the end of it, may it be Lincoln or FDR, or LBJ, we have emerged as winners. We suffered though 8 long years of tough times, including the disastrous war, the handling of Katrina, its time for a change, if we’re wrong, we will change from Obama to someone else, but I think he represents all the change we need

Oh, my! Average guy. You have put me in my place!!! Thanks to this administration my 401K has lost 60% in the last month. Yes, I know I will be better off in 4 years, since I won’t be robbed by the gop any longer. Bush got this Robin Hood thing all backwards. Do you still believe in trickle down economics? And just how have you benefited from this intelligent economic plan?

dan,
it bears repeating. If the Republicans planted Joe The Plumber at a house Obama visited on a campaign visit, they are brilliant and mind readers. I bet they bought the house a day before Obama knocked on the door and moved Joe in quickly.

OK, I want to hypothetically buy the company I work for that has revenues well over twice what they actually are and once I do you will charge me more taxes because of all the pretend wealth I have… is that socialism or just the delusions of a POSER, a pawn, a LIAR?? Good lord. T

WestCostMessenger– Obama is favored far more abroad than McCain. He will improve our standing in the world and actually work with leaders in other country unlike McCain who will pick and choose who he talks to. Diplomacy should always be first, McCain and Bush sure don’t think so.

When Obama said I want to Spread the Wealth….I guess you didn’t realize what he really meant by this STATEMENT…Just read on to see the real meaning of Spread the Wealth means to OBAMA. “Global Poverty Act” (S.2433) A nice-sounding bill called the “Global Poverty Act,” sponsored by Democratic presidential candidate and Senator Barack OBAMA, is up for a Senate vote on Thursday and could result in the imposition of a global tax on the United States. The bill, which has the support of many liberal religious groups, makes levels of U.S. foreign aid spending subservient to the dictates of the United Nations. [snip]WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Senators Barack Obama (D-IL), Chuck Hagel (R-NE) and Maria Cantwell (D-WA) have introduced the Global Poverty Act (S.2433), which requires the President to develop and implement a comprehensive policy to cut extreme global poverty in half by 2015 through aid, trade, debt relief, and coordination with the international community, businesses and NGOs. Representatives Adam Smith (D-WA) and Spencer Bachus (R-AL) sponsored the House version of the bill (H.R. 1302), which passed the House in September.“Eliminating global poverty remains one of the greatest challenges we face, with billions of people around the world forced to live on just dollars a day,” said Senator OBAMA. “We can – and must – make it a priority of our foreign policy to commit to eliminating extreme poverty and ensuring every child has food, shelter, and clean drinking water. As we strive to rebuild America’s standing in the world, this legislation will not only commit to reducing global poverty, but will also demonstrate our promise and support to those in the developing world. Our commitment to the global economy has to extend beyond trade agreements that are more about increasing corporate profits than about helping workers and small farmers everywhere.”

Don’t you think it’s just a little silly, not to mention demeaning to those who have previously served, to compare a guy who hasn’t even been elected to president with men who have already held the office? He hasn’t even really served as a senator as he has spent most of his term running for president. he is a product of slick marketing and media backing. If he does turn out to be a great President, then make your comparisons. To do so based on his lifes accomplishments up to now is ignorant.

I’m tired of hearing many Obama supporters label non-Obama supporters as racists because they plan to vote for McCain. You aren’t voting for McCain/Palin. Does that make you sexist? or age-ist? Of course it doesn’t. I am not voting for Obama because I don’t agree with his views for the nation, not because of his race. Personally I believe that voting someone for President who is African American merely to not be labeled as racist is one of the poorest choices you can make. Vote for who you believe will do the best job. If I agreed with Obama’s policies I would vote for him, race means nothing, we are all people here. Of course the next thousand people that comment on this will probably call me a racist cracker who can’t give up his guns or his god, but that’s the sad state our country has gone.

i agree with joe the plumber-obamas tax proposals are a slippery slope.
he went back on his word about public financing (basically he is dishonest) he lies about his relationships with ayers and others and much more. i cannot support obama even though i am a life long multi-generational democrat and i was a hillary supporter.
mccain/palin 08

Sorry – but how is adjusting taxes around a specific mark “deciding who is rich?” EVERY tax policy needs to make choices about who gets taxed, and how much.

Congressional democrats just love the way some people love Obama. They are going to cut the funds to our troops, either tax or seize our 401k’s because “they” can manage them better and can make far more money by taxing both your employer and YOU for this money that is now taken out before taxes. Obama wants to remove all personal responsibility by way of refunding SOME people’s medicare and social security contributions (as it is we are already $1 tillion short on the current SS commitments). Yeah. erm. Can’t wait.

Jake Tapper: You are an aspiring Bill O’Reilly. Your one sidedness is so evident I’m surprised this is not Fox News. So Obama makes Joe scared. What about Joe not knowing the difference between a purchase price and Gross Income. You’re giving abc news a bad wrap. ABC News needs to look at all of your stories at once. You are an embarrassment to journalist everywhere. What we need is new laws that regulate the manipulation of factual news and send people who misrepresent facts in the news to jail. So, who’s slipping you money, Rush, O’Reilly, Ann Coulter, or are you just aspiring to be in their group. Every time I here of O’Reilly I think of his drunk voice trying to be nasty with a co-worker. Rush and his drugs. Coulter disappeared quietly I’m sure we’ll find some sleaze was involved with her. So you are a Senior National Correspondent. To me that means you should be able to explain to Joe (the hired by McCain to be an idiot) the plummer that 250,000 per year is where the loop-holes and savings in taxes begin. That’s the reason that someone making a million dollars a year pays less tax than someone paying 50K. Anyway, people are getting smarter I hope, so hopefully your fake journalism is on its way out.

Go ahead and answer your doorbell…
Speak out in disagreement about our candidate and we’ll expose everything negative we can about you, call you names, and tell you your opinion is worthless. This is America, keep your opinion to yourself, unless you’re a liberal.

Joe the Plumber is a figment of Joseph Wurzelbacher’s imagination. The real-life person makes $40,000 and is in no way poised to purchase the plumbing business that he described to Barack Obama. The business isn’t for sale and if it was, Mr. Wurzelbacher could expect for it to make $100,000 – which is well-within Mr. Obama’s tax plan. But the ironic part of Mr. Wurzelbacher’s entry into the tax debate is that he obviously isn’t concerned about taxes as he doesn’t pay them…evidenced by the tax lien placed against him. And now he’s shopping for a book deal and is talking about a run for Congress in 2010…at least he’s not oportunistic…

Here’s the deal. I own my home. My neighbor rents, so he doesn’t pay taxes. I gladly pay my school taxes so his children can get an education, even though I don’t have kids in school. However, when he decides he wants MY taxes to go UP so HIS kids can play football on astro-turf instead of grass like we played on, I have a problem with that. He shouldn’t get to vote on whether MY taxes go up since HE DOESN’T PAY school taxes.
I have 2 milk cows. I gladly share my milk with my neighbor, because I have plenty, and his children need milk to be healthy. However, when the government decides to take one of my cows to GIVE to the neighbor, who doesn’t work, I have a problem with that. I will destroy my cows before that happens, or I will take my cows and live somewhere else, and let you buy him a cow. Understand?

Kathy, so you want Obama to sit down and talk to Bin Laden, Hamas, Fidel Castro, Chavez, Mahmoud Ahemedinijad, Gadhafi? Yea, right, they want to kill all Christians because we are infidels. Why do you think the Muslims flew airplanes into the World Trade Center?

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who has pushed to implement a $300 billion stimulus package–on top of the $700 billion financial rescue package and the $800 billion of additional proposed spending under an Obama presidency, you can see where we are headed.
Massive, Massive Tax Increases for Business Owners
Obama is fond of saying that 95% of Americans will receive a tax cut, even though a reported 38% of all Americans currently pay no income taxes. That means nearly four out of 10 Americans will get a nifty freebie, and that money will come from the hiring class.
Obama’s tax plan would hit the bottom line of small businesses in a number of ways. First, because a solid majority of small business owners are taxed at the personal income rate, any moderately successful business (with an income of as little as $165,000 a year) could face a higher tax liability.
Second, Obama’s plan phases out certain tax deductions, thus raising rates imposed on this group by another 1.5 percentage points. Third, the plan would increase the highest marginal tax rate by four percentage points, to 39% from 35%. Fourth, the plan would eliminate the cap on income subject to payroll taxes, which would also affect owners of small businesses.
Bottom line: The federal tax on small business could be as much as 45%–and that’s before state and local taxes.
Increased Involvement in the Mortgage Crisis
It is well-established that the current financial crisis has its roots in the Community Reinvestment Act of 1977. Amended in 1993 under the Clinton administration, the act aimed to prevent banks from merging or expanding unless they agreed to lend to riskier credit holders.
In 1994, Obama was the attorney in a class-action case against Citibank, demanding that the bank approve an equal percentage of minority and non-minority mortgage loan applicants. The result: Banks underwrote more subprime loans. You know what happened next.
Net Neutrality
A purely neutral information network is one that would treat all content that traveled across it equally–no one data packet would be prioritized above another. Obama believes the government should be in charge of the priorities on the Internet, rather than let the market decide.
The basic issue of net neutrality is whether the Internet is a public utility. If the answer is yes, then many people would assume that it is subject to regulation on par with what exists for water, natural gas, telephone and electrical service. It appears Obama wants the government to have control over the Internet, just as it does with telephone service.
JUST SAY NOBAMA!!

>I’m tired of hearing many Obama supporters label non-Obama supporters as racists because they plan to vote for McCain.
I’ve spent quite a bit of time following this campaign, and I’ve rarely seen this behavior.
But you know what I HAVE seen? McCain supporters whining about it.

It was obvious this man is republican to the bone from the start. He doesn’t care whether Senator Obama is the smart one, the decent one, the best hope America has. All Joe cares about is Joe. That is how the republican party works. To hell with everyone else, just make sure to give me mine. When I heard Joe say he detested Social Security I knew he was an imbecile.

Wurtzelbacher’s connection to the Keating Five scandal still hasn’t made it into your stories about him yet.
Unlike Ashley Todd, this fact is verified. He’s a relative of Charles Keating.

Seems like allot of people here feel like they have lost control of their lives. I sense your anger and the tendency blame your failures and bad decisions on others. You have …..crossed to the dark side. (O:

From outside looking in, I think America and the world should be afraid of Obama. He offers nothing but words. Study all his speeches, all his promises, all his replies and you’ll see. He just says what you want to hear. He can be compared to a motivational speaker. Inspirational words but when you get out in the real world, those things never work. It’s like a parent telling a child, you can do it baby. And when he loses, you comfort him by saying, at least you did your best. Someone loses a job, you don’t tell him that at least he did his best because that won’t pay his bills.

With all due respect to plumbers everywhere, but I have known a few plumbers and “other working class Americans” who were JERKS… OK? That is not to be miscontrued and misused as a statement I do not like Americans… but seriously folks… just WHO is Joe the Plumber?! Am I supposed to kiss his arse simply because he is a hard working American stiff? Lets get real, there are a lot of hard working American stiffs out there who BEAT THEIR WIVES. This is not to say Americans in general beat their wives, it is just making clear to you all that this JOE THE PLUMBER B.S has gone on long enough. it is almost like they are challenging ANYONE to say ANYTHING against Joe the Plumber so they can accuse them of being ANTI AMERICAN… it is total B.S and so many are swallowing it whole.

Sam alias Joe the plumber does not make anywhere near $250,000. There is no way he could even buy a business on the money he makes. He is NOT the typical American. He is dumb – he would do better under the Obama plans than McCain’s.
Wasn’t one of his relatives involved in the infamous Keating Five…hahahha

If “small” business that have retained earning greater than 250K want to avoid the “increase” (actually it is just not further decreases, i.e, welfare to the wealth) they can do so by investing in more machines (capital) thus increasing business cost and reducing taxable retained earnings, or hiring more workers. This would, obviously, either increase productivity or decrease unemployment. Yep, for those who don’t already know, that is the laffer curve in reverse; the laffer curve was always a wishbone in substance and appearance.

McCain’s chief argument is taxes. Well what are taxes when we have no job, have no home, no income, no 401k and massive bank failures…what are taxes? I voted red for a decade, NO MORE. I’m hoping to turn my state blue this year, and it’s looking good. I’m not voting for my party, i’m voting for my family and thats why i’m leaving my party this year.

Slumber– Some advice stop listening to Sean Hannity

Hello, is there anyone out there?
This nation owes 10 $trillion. By year-end the US will owe 11 trillion.
Each and everyday, 10,000 new people are retiring and applying for Social Security will continue to do so for the next 21 years.
Oh, and guess what? All those retirees are also applying for Medicare/Medicaid.
The truth is, we are all going to be paying way more taxes, regardless of who is president – not less.

McCain is going to lose and Obama will be our next president, give it up already.

Hear ye, hear ye and understand this:
If you make more than $250,000 your taxes will go up somewhat.
If you make less than that ( like I and 95% of the Americans ) you won’t see a tax hike. Understand now? Now get your boodies out and vote for Obama and Biden.

Joe the technician
Obama wont be able to fix it Im a Democrat and know Obama will be like Carter and we will have Gas lines and everything else… youre real smart you voted for Bush in 2000 when we couldve avoided a decade of chaos with Gore now you go with Obama who was created by Donna Brazile the quinticential Hypocrite of the Democratci party… I dont think so!

So we want a president who sat on boards with a known domestic unrepented terrorist,had his coming out party for the Illinois senate at this man’s house,etc. Bought his home in a deal with Tony Rezko who is now in jail for fraud. Went to the Rev’s church 3 times per month which he stated in his interview with O’Reilly for twenty years and never heard any of the hate America sermons.Gave $850,000 to Acorn.
Now for the best part of the story that you haven’t read in the newspapers. Three of the last seven governors of Illinois have been jailed for fraud. The current governer of Illinois is also under investigation for fraud.
The house and senate of the state of Illinois are controlled by the Dems.
Illinois has the third highest unemployment rate in the country.
The state of Illinois wreaks of corruption. Where was Sen. Obama in all of this? He has done absolutely nothing in Illinois , what makes people think he can change Washington.
I certainly hope that Obama doesn’t bring the economic and moral performance of the state of Illinois to the entire country.
If you bought a house you can’t afford blame yourself,quit blaming politicians. They cannot make you a success or failure in life. Only you have control over that.

Many people sat on a board with Bill Ayers, both republicans and democrats. You act like it was some sort of terrorist board, it was a charity board for education for God sake! And Ayers is also a college professor at the University of Illinois, where he teaches students. Are the students who have taken his class disqualified for public office? This is a silly argument and it hasn’t been working for a reason.

Sam “Joe” the “would-like-to-start-his-own-business-making-only-40k-a-year-and-someday-be-a-real-plumber” should pay his back taxes before being allowed to fire up and scare (BOO!) all these conservative religious pea brains. McShame just doesn’t care who he picks to plant around in these crowds! How long would it have taken McShame to GOOGLE Wurzel’s worth and tax status? At least he would have learned his real name isn’t JOE !!! We know you’re a tired old man there John-the-still-going-to-be-a-Senator, but come on! At least try! you invented the blackberry, but you’re not good with computers, hmmm, wait a minute. Just go get Cindy to look it up for you. Write down on an index card for her: “Google Joe Wurzelbacher” so she can’t screw it up. Please McCain take responsibility for your actions and shut this guy up! Everybody on the planet is out there wondering what the hell those stupid Americans are so worried about plumbers for! Do you have no shame McCain?
McCain First-America Last.
Palin-Only from behind.
Please end in 2008.

I think that the real question is, who gives a damn what this guy thinks? Why doesn’t media have educated people (who know what socialism is, for example) talk about pros and cons of Obama’s taxes? Couldn’t both sides benefit from this, rather than having to listen to this Joe?

Exactly what Joe The Vietnam Vet said!

Tom
the media is only interested in one side thats Obama… and calling the rest of us racist when President Clinton laid it out in February that the Obama camp is the one being reverse racist…President Clinton and Sen Clinton are still the leaders of the Democratic party

Obama gave us a real plan, which will improve as time goes on. All McCain has given us is a bunch of lies, a criminal with lipstick and more of the same. Obama/Biden 08.

Seriously, nobody cares about Joe the plumber…

dem for mccain, if you are wondering why more people aren’t talking about the democrats plans for the 401k plan, it’s probably because so many of the obamabots are to young to have 401ks. and for those who do, if what the democrats have in store for your 401k doesn’t scare you as much as bushs ideas on allowing people to turn their ss into 401k plans, you need to get studied up on what they have in store for what you have worked so hard to put away for your future. while both plans suck, the difference is, the democrats plan actually stands a chance of getting traction because they soon will control all the branches of the govt. consider yourselves warned.

I am sick of hearing about religion and the election.
IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, PEOPLE!!!!!! There’s a reason for that. These preachers have no business sticking their noses in politicsand telling you who to vote for. Do they pay your bills????? It is up to every single American to vote as they please.

Vicki,
I read your message below and are you stupid enough to believe that Joe that couldn’t use his real name and lied in his questioning was an “unscripted moment”? This guy was a plant, unfortunately they got some guy that does work with state and local codes and ordinances that put the people that think he is legit in jeopardy. So how American is that? So to you and JOE, pay your bills and your taxes and follow the law before trying put other down with lies.
“Obama the Poltician was in Joe the Plumbers neighborhood walking with the entourage and Joe the Plumber was minding his own business its too bad that the Obama camp has sucessfully avoided unscripted moments until now he wouldnt be in this position”

55Mariposa– You can’t control who supports you. I just heard Bid Laden is rooting for McCain, why isn’t that an issue?

Once again, I don’t think this plumber was properly vetted first considering he’s not a plumber and owes back taxes. McCain is desperate and losing, all he has is lies and a fake plumber to ride on.

Joe the Vietnam Vet…evidently you didn’t read my entire post. No, I gladly pay my school taxes, but 2 times already this year we have had local bond elections for school taxes. One was for new computers, and classroom education, teacher salary increases, and I voted in favor, however the second one was several million dollars to put in astroturf, and we just built a new football stadium 3 years ago. I voted against the measure, but it passed, because most of the voters in this district rent and do not pay taxes. My taxes were already high, but this last tax increase will raise myu taxes an ADDITIONAL $800/yr. With both of the increases my taxes have gone up an ADDITIONAL $1500/yr. That is only the school tax, county and city taxes are going up as well. They are taxing us to death.

Joe in Mi
you can distort things all you want to… it matters not that Joe the plumber isnt licensed or that he owes taxes etc this intellectual bs that the Obama people are peddling is petty you think you can change the argument by putting in yhour own facts that arent acurate

It really sad and pathetic what we’re seeing coming from these anti-Obama maniacs. They’re desperate and all they can do is stand in the middle of the room like little children holding their breath and stamping their feet.
Sorry kids, you can scream and cry all you want, but it’s still not going to change the end result of being sent to your room without dinner until you can behave.

You people who are support this idiot plumber need to take a good look at your situations. He seems to have been planted by the repubs. If you are in any kind of financial trouble and you vote for Mccain, prepare yourself for paying for Palin’s and Mccain’s family and adding to your existing problems by paying more for fighting other countries and loosing your sons and daughters. I for one hope that looser never comes to power.
The only way out of this mess is electing somebody who is open to change and pro-people. Not an oil hog richie rich living of his wife’s money!!!!

Joe Blow Is Stumping For Another 15 Minutes-TRYING To Get Famous, Funny Thing Is He Makes About As Much Sense As McCain & Palin…

reality check…if you live in south texas you are dead wrong on that one.

if the joe the plumber is so irrelevant why are you all bothering to attack him. i find it bothersome that the party that claims to be the party of the working class can be so absolutely disgustingly vile toward a hard working single dad. and the cruel hateful personal attacks first on hillary and now sarah have convinced this life long democrat that its time to vote for mccain and leave the party of my ancestors. mccain/palin 08

Let’s get Joe the Plumber out on the campaign trail with Sarah Palin.
But first we need to buy him some clothes …

JG:
I guess facts mean as little to you as they apparently mean to the McCain campaign. Obama did NOT come up to JTP, JTP came up to Obama. McCain has repeatedly said that Obama went up to JTP’s door and that’s just patently false…as is your assertion.
And if you think you’re going to “take us down” on election day, you might want to tell that to the senior members of the McCain campaign who are already sending out their resumes for when the election is over.
And it’s interesting how you’re the only one who seems to know how the early voting is going as nothing has been counted. I guess if you wish it to be so, it is…huh?

McCain’s campain for president keeps comming off the tracks could you folks take a real look the job Mc has done running this campain. Unless your fear is Obama will be to effective it is obvious which one is the better manager.

President Clinton and Sen Clinton are still the leaders of the Democratic party
Posted by: JG | Oct 25, 2008 12:12:15 AM
Yes they are and they are backing Obama aSo what’s your point?

Waaaaaah! I don’t want a tax break! Waaaah! It’s not fair that Obama is going to lift the tax break he gave to people making more than $250,000! Waaaaah! Rich people are going to suffer by having to pay 3% more! Waaaaaah! Obama scares me! Waaaaah!I don’t want to pay any taxes at all! Waaaaah! I don’t want to get a plumbing license! Waaaaaaaaaaaah!

Obama was respectful and listened to this guy and took the time to talk with him–I doubt McCain or Palin would have done the same if a similar situation presented itself. Besides, the very nature of our tax system is that it does spread the wealth–it’s just a matter of where and to whom it is spread. Joe would receive a tax break under the Obama plan, so what exactly is his gripe?

“Question:
——————————————————————————–
Many on the right are suggesting that you are being “savaged” by the press, but haven’t you A) chosen to jump into the political arena and B) been proven wrong on your view that Obama’s tax cuts would hurt you–even if you purchased the company for which you work? Shouldn’t the press question the veracity and reliability of people who volunteer for the spotlight? by Pensacola, FL
Answer: A: NO B: NO Shouldn’t somebody question the press about their veracity and reliability? by Joe_Wurzelbacher”
Joe- Regarding B)…You have been proven wrong…Obama’s tax cuts won’t hurt you…be a real man and admit your mistake…otherwise you look like an idiot.

Kathy, Joe the Vet
Sorry, I’ve read too much today and didn’t realize “mom” was posting. I thought you guys were really confused but I realize it was me, please accept my apologies.

JWench
they are backing them publicly
you apprarently didnt watch them or refused to listen to their message in the primaries… if Obama happens to lose it wont be their fault

Obama has passed the 50% mark in the polls, no president has ever beat an opponent with that much lead…ever. Obama is going to win, try again in 2012…this election belongs to Obama and Biden.

I wonder why Democratics always worry about the economy. They never seem to care about the average guy like “joe the plumber.” Because its all about the money. They need the money they suck out of us to live there pampered lifes How many people work for the government? Millions. When is the last time they took a layoff? They need us fools to pay through the nose to make sure they end up with a nice house, insurance and a fat retirement. I rather give my money to the producers . And that means big business and guys and girls like joe. They produce a service we need. I would like to keep my money buy a new car new computer buy better food for my children instead of you parasites getting it through my labor. I dont want the government to use my money so food stamp recipients can buy soda and donuts and other junk with my tax money.

Mary – Given your in-depth analysis, would you like to explain why the economy did so well under Bill Clinton? I believe his adminstration included tax increases for the wealthy – in fact Obama’s plans are very similar. So why were we all so prosperous then? And why did we have a surplus when he left office – not the trillions of dollars of debt Bush has left us with? Don’t try to blame it on the Democrats – the deficit began to rise with the war in Iraq – not with the increase in Democratic representation. The fact is that we squandered our surplus and sold our country to China to fight in a war to build a corrupt, Islamic, Sharia government in Iraq. We put ourselves into debt because of George Bush – and what have we gotten? A new Iran.

I wonder why Democratics always worry about the economy. They never seem to care about the average guy like “joe the plumber.” Because its all about the money. They need the money they suck out of us to live there pampered lifes How many people work for the government? Millions. When is the last time they took a layoff? They need us fools to pay through the nose to make sure they end up with a nice house, insurance and a fat retirement. I rather give my money to the producers . And that means big business and guys and girls like joe. They produce a service we need. I would like to keep my money buy a new car new computer buy better food for my children instead of you parasites getting it through my labor. I dont want the government to use my money so food stamp recipients can buy soda and donuts and other junk with my tax money.

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?
We wont.

McCain and Palin are our only hope. They will make sure that everyone gets 7 houses, won’t need to pay taxes, and will learn how to shoot moose with automatic weaponry.

Hey Looser Joe, PAY YOUR TAXES DEAD BEAT!! GET A LICENSE SCAM ARTIST.. YOU NEVER WERE GOING TO BUY THE BUSINESS, THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN SHOWED TO BE A LIE, BECAUSE YOU DO NOT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY, OR A BUSINESS PLAN, OR A CLUE!! WHAT A JOKE THIS MORON IS AND THE MEDIA IS GIVING THIS DEAD BEAT TAX CHEATER THE TIME OF DAY!! COME ON.. HE IS AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN A MCSAME SUPPORTER. AND I REALLY DO NOT CARE WHAT A GUY WITH SUCH A LOW IQ REALLY THINKS..

Loving Conservatives:
First off, it’s SOCIALISM, Social-ism..not Socialist.
Secondly, how is a three percent tax increase on the amount over $250,000 considered spreading hard-earned money around.
ACORN & voter REGISTRATION fraud…so you’re scared that if someone fraudulently registered Mickey Mouse to vote, Mickey Mouse might just show up and vote?
NHS – do you know anything at all about NHS? Do you really think that people in Britain and Canada go to the doctor for no reason? Do you understand that those with no insurance go to the EMERGENCY ROOM for treatment that could be provided by a doctor? Do you realize how much more expensive this is?
Do you have any concept at all? Did you wake up one morning and decide to be a conservative but didn’t know why?
Please, learn something before posting again.

Joe the idiot, he isn’t a plumber, he doesn’t pay his taxes and he allows himself to be a dupe for old Snake Eyes McSame and Pale Head, problem is he is the brighter of the bunch!

JOE IS A PLANT – PROBABLY SOME MCCAIN CAMPAIGN OPERATIVE

Oil companies have been taxed in the last few years at about 40% guess who ended up paying? The govt. decided to invest in ethanol, that drove the price of food sky high, guess who ended up paying? If you can’t see that you are the one who ends up paying more every time the govt. interferes in the market either through forcing companies to pay higher taxes or subsidizing some industries, or wealth distribution then you are misguided.

“As we all know, politicians change their minds at the drop of a poll.” -JtP.
So for some reason “Joe the Plumber” just inherently finds Obama suspect but has no such reservations or negative comments about McCain even though he’s a career politician. What’s the difference? Oh yeah, Obama’s black. Now I get it.

Sorry to break it to you Dominic something or other – but you’ve got it turned upside down. The Blue Democratic states are the ones who pay the taxes – and the Red states are the ones who suck the federal money down like koolaid.
Praying Mom – what a great statement. I haven’t ever heard that John McCain turns down his government-assisted medical care either. Or his $1930 a month in government-assisted social security. The records show he cashes those checks every single month. And listen to what he said in 2000 about “spreading the wealth” if you had your fair share. It’s in another blog today. Back when there really was a John McCain, not a creature of Rick Davis and Tucker Eskew, he thought it was a fine idea.

Joe the Vietnam Vet – who cares what you loser Vietnam Vets think anyway? You’re all failures and cowards who couldn’t win your war. Back in Roman times you would have been required to kill yourselves, but you are honorless losers. All Vietnam Vets are cowards.
Posted by: bo | Oct 25, 2008 12:28:48 AM
You sure are another example of a caring, compassionate Obama supporter isn’t it.

What a fraud “it comes down to principles I dont take someone else’s hard earned money” In this case I want him and anyone else thinking like him to pay back the economic stimulus check from earlier this year. I was fortunate enough to have made too much money last year to qualify for a check. But than again where are his prinicples when it comes to pay his share of taxes….

Mary: Would you like to give some facts or a source that proves that oil companies pay 40% a year in taxes? I know an awfu lot of geologists and I think they would find it very hard to believe that Exxon pays 40%/year in taxes. Warren Buffett, the richest man in America says that he pays less than his secretary – and that THAT is what is wrong with the system.

Terrago: Here’s a reason for you on why you should vote for Obama….because he will end this stupid war…that alone will save billions of dollars….money that we could use in this country right now!

Joe may not be a (licensed) plumber, but he cannot get much dumber. How would Joe have a clue as to if Sen. Obama would raise or lower the $250K limit? Joe doesn’t even make close to that and cannot figure out his own taxes, let alone be a spokesperson for *anybody.* If Joe is the spokesman for anybody, America is hurting in a big way.
If Joe is so “scared for America” over Sen. Obama, he must be absolutely petrified of Sen. McCain. Sen. McCain hasn’t mentioned middle class America in any of the debates and was only re-programmed yesterday or the day before to start repeating this new lexicon for McCain: “Middle class.” Who’s to say a guy who doesn’t talk about the middle class till the last 2 weeks of the campaign has a plan for them? Who can tell if he’ll even remember how to say “middle class” after the election?
What Joe the Loser says about Obama can be said even more so for McCain, let alone Gov. Palin, who is involved in one ethics issue after another EVEN BEFORE THE ELECTION!
if that’s McCain’s judgement, we need to find him guilty of putting McCain first, the wealthy second, and America far below both.
Gov. Pathetic is no Josephina Six-Pack, but a $150,000 wannabe who doesn’t have the judgement to just say no. If she doesn’t have the common sense to see America is tired of extravagance during times of distress, then she doesn’t have the judgement to be the President’s water girl, let alone next in line.

You sure are another example of a caring, compassionate Obama supporter isn’t it.
Posted by: Greg h | Oct 25, 2008 12:39:10 AM
I think you can claim his one of yours.

WHO CARES about “Joe the Plumber” – anyone who hasn’t figured out that he’s a paid shill for the republicans nees to turn in their political badges. He spits the Republican line just aboput perfectly, he’s already shown that he’s a bit racist (in that just encountering someone who’s even slightly black – and Obama isn’t full negro) makes him “uncomfortable” – not because of what he’s said and/or done, but because he’s black.. And people are still paying attention to him?

Greg h, if that is true someone is in big trouble! I’m a nurse and worked at the VA for 7 years. It is a big no-no to access records except on a need to know basis. We weren’t even allowed to access our own medical records. I’ll bet state and local governments have the same regulations.

This guy is a moron. Joe put the numb in dumb. What do we expect from a republican. Lies and deceit.
Go back to hole Joe.

How dare he say such a thing about obama! How could abc allow such negative comments during this sad time for obama. Do they not know that his Grandmother is very ill and he said she may not make it till eleciton day? Did not they not hear what happened when obama said on monday that he would have to leave right away to go to hawaii? He left late last night to see her. Does anyone know how she is and if he is now on his way back?

Mara
I love Bill Clinton but I am smart enough to see how his policies are just now coming home to roost. First he dismantled the military, cut bases all over the place. Second his balanced budget isn’t completely true, unless you do your bookkeeping the way congress does, when you get in debt, just create another book and take half the deficit off the table.
Third, his spread the wealth plan of getting everyone into homes, which was started under Carter and skyrocketed under Clinton is just now backfiring and having a detrimental effect on our economy. It just isn’t fair to blame the everything on Bush when some of these problems have been in the making since Clinton. I am no Bush lover but it doesn’t do anyone any good to not face the truth. Also, earmarks in congress have gone from 1000 a year to 10,000. The govt. has grown at an astounding rate. Everytime Bush asks for money for the war congress stuffs it with so much pork because they know he will sign it and that is the only way they could get what they want. It is just false to say that we have been living in trickle down economics for the last 8 years when we haven’t.

I’m scared of unlicensed plumbers representing themselves as qualified service providers.

mom,
Yeah indeed, Joe must be quite annoyed at his private details leaked to the nation by the Obama media.
Obama knocked on Joe’s neighbourhood.
Joe asks Obama a question.
Obama gives a answer that raises questions about Obama’s tax plans.
The media and Obama supporter attack Joe.
What is Joe’s crime here?
He just asked Obama a question!
This is truely fascist stuff if this is the direction the country is going.

@Sukie – what will be the consequence with respect to Iran when Obama pulls out of the war? Please argue the case for that because you are unconvincing in your reply.
@JG – Yeah, I know it too.

geez…that lightnin is just a fast typer…you betcha….

Jason:
Maybe if you post your link about Obama’s birth certificate 10 more times, it might become a true story.
That’s been debunked by everyone…even by those who would have rather not debunked it.
“Findin the facts”, huh dude?

Holy moly….we know the birth certificate thing is just a ridiculous argument…I mean John Mccain was born in the panama canal zone…I guess we better check and make sure he has a birth certificate too…what weenies…the country is in free fall and this is what you concentrate on??? No wonder we are in such trouble…airheads…abound…get a life and find something worthwhile to obsess upon…

allison
at least I believe the obama camp on the grandmother thing but I wouldnt push it all youve been listening to is propaganda for the last yr you dont know what is news and what isnt

Joe, my fellow American, my hope is that you put aside your differences from all those years with other people who doesn’t look like you, and swallow your pride just to come together for a common cause. This time, I am asking you not to vote your emotions but your pocketbook for a brighter future for your family and the country. We need to rehabilitate the “American Dream” that should be within the reach of every productive citizen of this country for generations to come. The task is enormous, the road is going to be bumpy; However, together we are strong. I beleive that if you are willing to listen to the little voice in the back of your head your choice would be a vote for Obama/Biden. Yes, you can!God Bless America!

My bad Jwench a million apologies. My comment was for BO. I’m working while follwing this and I obviously missed the cue.

I hope you Obama lovers are ready to be drafted if Obama is elected. With the world economy about to collapse, our military serving in two wars, and like Joe-the-Senator said at his fundraisers that if Obama is elected he’s going to be tested within 6 months of his inauguration, the draft is coming back! But, I’m pretty sure you Obama lovers won’t mind being drafted since your messiah will inspire and ask you to serve him. While you’re serving him, don’t forget to bend over.

Jeo is dreaming about buying business. How about if you don’t? How many joes in America? Are anybody thinking about? Not one or two, gotta be some?

diana
exactly… Obama and biden keep parroting gettign out of Iraq but they wont be able to and in fact Obama will draft the 18-20 somethings hes using for his campaign… its unavoidable thank god Im well beyond draft age…

JG
Agreed. Also I think Putin’s little test invasion of Georgia was to see the reaction of Obama and McCain and verify who would be most likely to stand up to him and who would be most like to cave in to him.
Obama’s indecisiveness in his response is what I think Biden was alluding to – hence the 2 warships Putin then sent to Venezuela.
Scary stuff indeed.
I’m still looking for a solid, real actual reason to vote for Obama. Anyone?

when do I get a ride in a space shuttle or the nuclear submarine my tax dollars have paid for?
Ralph Nader ’08!

Sorry Joe and company, but your really need to stop whining and wake up to reality.
It’s time to let McCain fade away into the sunset and enjoy golf or something and have Palin go back to keeping an eye on Russia from her backyard while spending AK tax payer money on trips for her kids.

JG..I think a big helium filled balloon is going to burst soon…and it is filled with hatred and pathetic pandering from John Mccain and his little side kick beauty queen….this is the type of air that needs to be dissipated….and will be soon

Diana:
You’re stupid.
Obama is trying to end at least one of the wars…you know, the one that McCain wants to continue??? If anyone is going to bring on the draft, it would be McCain because he’s the one who wants to continue on this same path.
But McCain hasn’t said anything about the draft, you have…

There are those like TJ who simply cannot stop being who/what they are. That’s the sad/honest truth. Anger,bitterness, and hatred of this magnitude is deeply embedded someplace within him. I truly feel sorry for him/others like him. This is mainly due to the FACT that somewhere inside they know the TRUTH. They do not want all of the misery that comes with such nastiness, but they have no answer as to how to purge it from themselves/they are to PROUD to seek/accept help from others. PITIFUL,SAD,AND LONELY. Truly a SHAME!!!!!

Posted by: grow up little boy | Oct 25, 2008 1:11:11 AM
I am still waiting for you to show me where I called any vet a coward. By the way my dad served in Vietnam for ’67-68.

Joe the plumber is not relevant – he’s part of the scenery.
What’s relevant is that Obama torn down his own facade in his reply and in doing so allowed the entire world to hear him deliver what he truly believes. Huge error on his part.
Still waiting for that one real, actual reason to vote for him though.

graham
Im saying that bill mahr subscribes to the cosmos thing and you cannot down out people that still are religious what you are talking about is stepping back 20000 yrs to utter chaos when there were several gods and thats simply not the way it is

Jwench. You missed my apology. I mis-read your post and only after I posted did I realize it was poster “BO’ who made the original post.

Obama’s Tax Plan is to spread your hard earned money around to the people of his chosen such as voting fraud organization ACORN and his wife’s hospital that doubled her salary in return. McCain’s tax plan spreads the opportunities around. Socialist has been proven to be not working in Russia, China, and Cuba. Socialist makes people equally poor by taking away of rewarding hard working and innovations. Helping poor by encouraging business to create jobs, not free handouts that create dependencies. National health care will have people see doctors with minor discomfort and overwhelm the health care system. Really sick people has to wait for a long time for critical care and may be fatal in waiting, all at the cost of 50% tax rate. Wake up Americans! Elect McCain/Palin who will stop Obama and Dems to force banks to lend Trillions of your money to the people who can not afford it and caused the current economic slow down. McCain/Palin will promote jobs and energy independence.

Why dont the Obama idiots go get jobs so hardworking Americans don’t have to subsidize you.?! Why dont you go ask Canada how they feel about socialized health care….and for those of you who dont think this plan will tax all of us…in Canada, once you start making over 52,000 dollars…you start paying 54 cents on every dollar over that 52K into their socialist health care network. If you dont believe he is going to raise taxes on every one down to around 40,000…you are an absolute idiot. I have a salary of 60K per year and my take home for the year after everything comes out is 40,306.50. That is going to go up to help subsidize some sorry family that wont work to pay for their health insurance. Obama may win this election due to the large amount of people who think they are going to get a hand out or “subsidized”, as Obama likes to say.

Hey Terrago:
Here’s your one reason – he presents a way that’s different from what we’ve had during the last almost eight years and from what McCain proposes as more of the same.
John McCain proclaimed that he voted along with George Bush 90% of the time. His words said to his base. John McCain supports the same policies of war and top-heavy tax cuts that helped bring our national debt to over $10 Trillion…
So, there’s your reason…

From USA Today, how federal spending has climbed since 2001.
Bush has spent money on defense, rebuilding the military. Allowing more veterans into the medical system and to recieve benefits, Medicare benefits, the prescription drug program, Medicaid up 49%, welfare benefits increased 84%, and he has spent the most on education since Johnson.
So to say that the increases in the deficit are all from the war is misleading. A lot of it has come from entitlements, the increase of them. And not a single one has done anything to help the overall economy. So Bush has been more of a socialist than a conservative when you look at the programs he has created.

And I respect with all my being your fathers service. I did not serve overseas, but I knew many who did. Some who gave the ultimate sacrifice. My best to your father.

Jwench. You missed my apology. I mis-read your post and only after I posted did I realize it was poster “BO’ who made the original post.
Posted by: The “big” one | Oct 25, 2008 1:20:46 AM
Apolgy accepted.
Posted by: Greg Garrett | Oct 25, 2008 1:22:46 AM
We do have jobs! We are tired of the Republicans taking our hard earned money. The Republican way of thinking hasn’t helped the middle class. I guess you think it is ok for the rich to pay less than we do?

Greg,
Warren Buffett, who has endorsed Obama, has a job. He’s CEO of Berkshire Hathaway. He’s also the richest man in America. He worked hard to get there. It wasn’t handed to him by his oil heiress mama or booze and racetrack heiress wife.
Evidently a number of Obama supporters have jobs – or he would not have outraised John McCain by millions of dollars, would he?

JG….I am being sarcastic. I think this whole thing is rediculous. These obama freaks are saying socialism is ok and it works, and they like it. LOL OMG what is going on? How did this happen? Did any of these people take a History class? What is going JG? This is unreal? If you would have asked me last year if I could even imagine our Countymen saying Socialism works its a great idea, and that someone who has had no background check would be running for Potus, I would have thought I was going insane. He is in Hawaii with a Grandmother no one has even met. We have no recent pictures of her, have never heard from her. She was not even on a teleprompter at the convention. How do we know she was in the hospital, because he says so? Hospital cannot talk, due to patient privacy, and obama camp says they cannot talk, because we need to to respect the family during this time. However Michelle was out today talking all about it, and obama took 4 days to get to his granny. Now Cnn is saying its ok for Black people to vote based on race. This is all so crazy. Now they are talking about code words. Joe six pack and soccer mome are code for race. Please forgive me JG

I live 20 miles from the Canadian border. For those who can afford it, guess where they come for medical care? Yup, you guessed it, the good ol US of A. It seems that there can be a little problem of getting to that specialist after your GP diagnoses you, and sometimes, 4 to 6 months turns out to be a little to long, and you don’t show up for your appointment. You are already dead. Welcome to socailized medicine. Be carefull what you wish for, you just might get it. The funny thing is, that although everyone claims govt can’t do anyhting right, they turn right around and want the govt to run their health care. Wierd.

Jwench….the top 10% of earners in this country pay about 70% of the tax bill. I am not in that 10% but hat seems to be a fair share.

I can’t wait for November 4, and then maybe Joe the plumber will take some time out to actually get his plumber’s license.

Vietnam was a war we could not win because the enemy looked the same as our ally and it is the same with the current war we are in. The soldiers should not be to blame for the decisions of OUR politicians.
The stubborness of GWB is mostly to blame for why the economy for hardworking, patriotic citizens of the U.S. are in the situation we are in now.
The lack of some regulation is why the bbanks and credit card companies are able to do whatever they want as far as raising and lowering credit limits and consumers not having a firm foundation to stand on is why a lot of U.S. citizens are struggling.
U.S. companies outsource jobs to other countries but other countries rarely send new jobs to the U.S. which is why we are on the losing end of job prospects.
Too many of us allow race, religion or sexual preference to become a factor in the decisions that we make and that is a detriment to the greater good for all of us. We are all in this together if we live in the U.S. and are planning to move to other countries around the world. Please try not to be too selfish when making your decision to vote and think about what would be best in the long run.

Why does Joe the Plumber keep plugging for McCain? Especially when he is a plumber making $40,000 a year and owes taxes to the Federal government? What? Has John promised to make his tax debt “disappear” if he keeps on plugging for him on the news??

allison
sorry to impugn your obvious relevance in this argument and your insight! yes I have just been flabbergasted this last yr or so and you are right… Obama called his grandmother a typical white person back in the primaries and hid the fact that he called his grandfather racist in his book Dreams From My father… as President Clinton said(who by the way… for you obamabots is still the leader of the party)He said that its all in Obamas book and the rest is a complete fairy tale… how can people not go back to a book written as recently as 12 yrs ago and not taket hat into account its like it didnt exist but to the chiago mob scene Im sure if they say it doesnt exist it doesnt or you may not live to tell about it!

The Obama supporters are so afraid of Joe the Plumber that they feel compelled to viciously attack him because he represents the average Joe vote?
The remark “kill him” was a vicious lie brought up by the Barack Obama campaign to play the victim card and to deflect attention from “palling around with Bill Ayers the terrorist”. This lie is worse than the girl who carved her face.
Obama visiting his Grandma is just a ploy to get the sympathy vote, and deflect attention from Senator Joe Biden’s remarks at his fundraisers about Obama, if elected will be tested within six months. Where was Obama urgency of visiting his Grandma if it took him 2 weeks after the Grandma broke hip to visit her, and be with for less than a day? Between now and Nov. 4th, what other cards is he going to play to get votes?

Although I understand your point Byron, some people actually do not have health insurance by choice. 30 years ago when I was young and invincible, I took the money instead of the insurance from my company. Maybe not so smart, but I did that. Today, there are young people at my company who if given the choice would do the same.

Dave,
I did listen to General Powell’s endorsement. Powell said Obama was a man of style and substance and a transformational figure. Obama does have style but I doubt Powell and I agree on the composition of his substance, especially as it relates to his thin resume and questionable associations. And I’m not voting for anyone based on style.

diana in california
you are correct its all a facade and they think they are going to pull it off!

dude: i don’t know how your comment slipped through, but you’re right. the text interview was scripted – somebody was defintely telling the guy what to say and how to say it. i listened to an actual interview with laura ingrahm and he sounded completely different – i felt kind of sorry for him.

I bet that joe whatever his name is does not look like he can read and write, much less understand, what the republicans are paying him for, to be the scapegoat. How stupid can he be.

JG:
Do you just string sentences together and hope that you have some type of cohesive thought?
McCain’s to the left of Obama??? Show us one example of Obama being to the “left” of McCain…Obama has to preserve the dignity of his billionaire friends…yeah, he needs to preserve Warren Buffet’s dignity…that makes all kinds of sense.
I think a lot of us are waiting for you to proclaim Obama a Muslim…that would complete your diatribe…

I am not an independent, I’m just here pretending to be an independent so you can think I’m actually a Republican pretending to be a Democrat.
It really doesn’t matter – the truth is the electorate has had enough of the 8 years of Republicans in the White House.
The electorate is about to rightfully boot the Republicans out of the White House. Landslide win for the Democrats.

Dave
there isnt an example of obama being to the left of Mccain becausehes not thats why Obama has 80 percent of his base and Mccain 60 but the gap will close before election day you didnt take civics did you or failed it …and I type in stream of conciousness sentences its a forgotten art form.. Im sorry that you Obamabots that have PTSD and have trouble differentiating spacially because you are in a heigtened state of paranoia… its true Ive seen it I was at a Dem HQ last week where the Obama staffers were complaining of 3 hrs sleep and regret for having to lie to the press in an interview etc etc you are pathetic

JG – I’m having a bit of a hard time following you. Sorry. I like Warren Buffett. He worked hard for his money, he deserves whatever he has and he gives back in real ways – beyond politics.

James, if I have to spread the wealth, I will make sure I have not wealth to spread. I will work as little as possible. I heard a lady today that owns a business and she says that she will make sure that her company does not make more then 200,000 a year. And what that means is she will have to lay off some people. I would be that will happen quite a bit. I still cannot believe that people agree with this. I too almost drank the Koolaid, but when I heard Rev Wright I spit it out.

Greg:
You’re right, at the end of the next four years, we’ll all be paying more in taxes. But that’s true whether it’s a President Obama or a President McCain.
We have a national debt at over $10 Trillion, a partially nationalized banking system with almost an additional trillion earmarked for additional bail-outs and a Social Security system that’s headed for collapse once all of the “Baby Boomers” jump into it.
We need major government regulation and some semblance of guidance to get us out of this mess. Greenspan said on Friday that he miscalculated the free market and its ability to rebound.
We need a different path…

All the lies and nonsense don’t really matter – the truth is the electorate has had to live with 8 years of Republicans in the White House.
They’ve had enough.
The electorate is about to rightfully boot the Republicans out of the White House. Landslide win for the Democrats.

Firekitty469
nope the truth is you obamabots are overworked and the purpose of your rallies is to work you into a fighting frenzy because thats what the alinsky method is… at this point it is a clinical fact that you all are detached from reality!

And Byron….at the end of this next four years we will all be paying more taxes if Obama gets elected….how else is he going to expand govt the way he wants to?
Posted by: Greg Garrett | Oct 25, 2008 1:42:12 AM
Sorry Greg that’s wrong. Obama only wants to increase by a very small percentage (3%) income taxes on those making over $250K per year. He does not want to tax the middle class, in fact he wants to give a small tax cut to the middle class so we can get the economy stimulated again so the middle class will start buying things, commodities and services so we can keep the smaller businesses going. This is all he’s proposing. Also, Obama does not want to expand government except to maybe implement some sort of health care assistance for the 50million+ citizens of our country who do not have health insurance and can’t afford privatized health insurance. So that is the only new government program that he has proposed. He has said that he wants to make the government offices that are currently in operation to run more efficiently using technology and cut costs where possible.

Is Joe the Plumber McCain’s new campaign manager or something? I mean what’s the deal? I’ve heard more about this Joe the Plumber guy than McCain’s real answers to real questions about what he’s going to if he was President. How many crummy cronies does John McCain need to win an election? I’m sure Joe the Plumber is happy though. He’ll probably get his tax debt paid off from all of this “work” for McCain. I’d love to see the “cooked” books on this one.

The Joes have to move over for our children and grand children. We have to stop putting the debt on them. You want to put on a charge card $341.4 million per day for a phoney war for future generations to pay for a phony war? We have to GROW UP! There is no FREE LUNCH!
It is OUR responsibility

Dave
what the Obama camp feeds you is not totally factual and no I dont get my stories off drudge I get them from all sources you peopel wont even talk about ACORN or the fact that Obama screwed up in the first place by saying “spreading the wealth” if he hadnt said that Mccain wouldnt have usedit in the debate you people are shameless an I can take you on till election day I have a BA in French/History/Poltical science and I got the wooodman history award in my junior yr of high school so I know what Im talking about you just are leaning far more to the left than me and Im a democrat so thats bad!

When Republicans are in power businesses thrive. When Democrats are in power the people tend to have just a little more. With the current economic crisis and Wall Street companies planning to pay approx 70 billion in bonuses why should we vote for Republicans. If Iraq doesnt want U.S. troops to remain in THEIR country why should we stay and continue to pay billions for the re-building of their infrastructure. Why shouldnt we commit to the educational excellence of U.S. citizens instead of ‘Dumbing down America’ in order to continue profiting off of Americans. Why is bringing our troops home from Iraq considered losing, we have been in a war for 7+ years without ‘winning’. What is the best plan for America returning to it’s status of ‘Super Power” and world leader?
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You are kidding… let me remind you that that the best economic time in the history of this country was when Bill Clinton was in office…

Well if any of you would accually do your homework you would find out that the republican president bush has already brought us socalisim with this 700 billion bailout. Also joe the plumer is a registered republican who cant even pay the taxs he has. He isnt a licenced plumer. Everything this guy has said so far is a lie. Just likethe whole of the McCain campain to lie to the american people at every turn. To try and scare us and make us afraid of Obama. To me its a slap in the face an insult to me that he things I am so stupid as to belive the lies and the fear.

Who are our most qualified and proud military voting for? They want a President John McCain because they see him as a role model!
While our military are courageously risking their lives to defend and protect our country from terrorists, and while our Homeland Security employees are also risking their lives to safeguard and protect our airports, seaports, and borders from terrorists, criminals, illegal aliens/smugglers, and drug traffickers, Obama supporters want to elect an inexperienced candidate who has associated himself with the very people our military and Homeland Security employees are trying to keep out of our country. God bless our military and Homeland Security employees, and our great nation! Really hope we vote with our conscience and not with our emotions.
signed,
military retiree who served 22 1/2 years

The man has gone past his 15 minutes of fame and it shows. He’s badly informed, too. Too sad.
I am a working mother that owns my own small biotech business. I will do better under Senator Obama’s tax and economic program than under McCain. Sorry Joe, you just don’t get it. My daughter at 18 will do better under Senator Obama’s education program. And some things aren’t purely economic- winning riches. Some things have to do with honoring our constitution and returning to the rule of law. Some things have to do with social freedoms…strong social libertarian freedoms. These are things that Senator Obama supports and Senator McCain does not.

So now, Joe the Fake Plumber, is the latest Karl Rove’s tool to try to gain the White House, three times in a Rove ???
No wonder why Joe is truly Scarrrred !!!!!
Karl Rove told him : If “O” gets elected, be scared, be verrrrrrry scarrrrred !!!!!
Boooooh !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’m also truly scarrrrrred !!!!!!!!!!!!
Vote McCain/Bush/Rove 2008-3000
YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Who are our most qualified and proud military voting for? They want a President John McCain because they see him as a role model!
While our military are courageously risking their lives to defend and protect our country from terrorists, and while our Homeland Security employees are also risking their lives to safeguard and protect our airports, seaports, and borders from terrorists, criminals, illegal aliens/smugglers, and drug traffickers, Obama supporters want to elect an inexperienced candidate who has associated himself with the very people our military and Homeland Security employees are trying to keep out of our country. God bless our military and Homeland Security employees, and our great nation! Really hope we vote with our conscience and not with our emotions.
signed,
military retiree who served 22 1/2 years
*****
You are wrong – - the IAVA gave McCain a D and Obama and Biden each received B – - McCain did not vote 6 times for bills that would have benefited the military…

Diana in California Why exaccaly do you belive McCain would be a better leader at all? Bacause he was in the military? Bush was in the military too and look at the state of the wars on terror. 7 years and we cant finish even one of them. This is your republican leadership. I am a proud American Army NCO of 18 years as a combat diver and I can tell you this. This war needs to come to a close to make us stronger. Right now this moment in time If another country decided to wage war against us we would be in serious trouble and the only option we would have would be nukes. That not my opion thats fact. Its time to stop speanding billions of our tax dollars in Iraq rebilding there country Iraq is pumping oil of and selling it to china making billions of dollars a month and not spending one dime of it on there country, there money is going right into us banks. I think that while we are makeing iraq strong we are making us weak. Depleating our money to grow theres. To me thats a traitorous act by our president.

I’m afraid for the plumbing in Ohio.
I bet Joe would take a tax cut if given to him. “Oh no, I want to pay higher taxes, like I said I was afraid of.”
Why is anyone listening to this bozo?

Is this question OK to ask?…..The media has focused on the fact that some white people will not vote for Obama because he is black. Why is no one focusing on the amount of black people voting for Obama because he is black? Voters who would not have even registered if it were Joe Biden and some one else on the ticket. Why does this question not get asked?

Just showing the way it is JG.
Obama is way up in all the major polls . ..
The electorate is giving the Republicans the boot out of the White House after 8 long years.
Landslide Democratic win.

I can accept Obama or McCain as our next President, as long as I keep my job, I can afford gas and food, and I can complain here if I disagree with whoever is the leader of our great nation. God bless the USA.

Joe the Plumber thrust himself onto the country by accosting Obama in front of NUMEROUS television cameras. JTP shouldn’t have gotten out there and created that story if he didn’t want it to be scrutinized.
And now that he’s been found out, the McCain campaign is crying foul? McCain referenced JTP like he was a study group and is currently on a “Joe the Plumber” tour in Florida. Talk about Life Imitating Art…
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher is a real person but Joe the Plumber is his made-up alter-ego and if Mr. Wurzelbacher didn’t want his closet skeletons revealed, he should not have thrust himself into this campaign.

Joe the Fraud is as tranparent as Palin the desperate VP pick.

First! This idiot is not a plumber! (As if thats something to brag about in itself) Second! PAY YOUR EXSISTING TAXES BEFORE YOU WORRY ABOUT AN INCREASE!!!!!

Joe the Plumber, Joe Sixpack. What has the perception of America come to? A bunch of gun toting, simplton white rednecks who drive pick up trucks? You know what, those folks deserve McCain. Only thinking, conscientious Americans will vote for Obama.

JG,
Thank you for helping me get off the fence and pick a candidate. I’m so tired of the negative campaigning. I’m so tired of mean spirited and racist McCain supporters.
It’s not so much that I’m sure Obama is the right man for the job, as much as I’m sure that I’m tired of the vocal and mean minority around this wonderful country who want to keep us trapped in our bigoted past. And I’m disappointed that McCain, who I once thought was a unique and honorable man, has not done anything to stem this wave of hatred that’s sweeping through our country.

Why does the “liberal media” give one iota’s worth of coverage to Joe, the plumber, whose real name isn’t Joe, that doesn’t have a license, and is too stupid to realize he’s a pawn. Shame on ABC. Little Joey’s 15 minutes of undeserved fame are OVER!
Is Senator Lindsay Graham still trying to pass himself off as a straight man?

Jwench
not so fast there is a supreme court and if the electoral college is tied you will be forced to have Palin as VP because the current house and senate vote not the 111th congress and cheney would be the tie breaker and Im no racist but you better hope Obama is on election day in every state by 6 pts or he will lose the electoral college too
Posted by: JG | Oct 25, 2008 3:00:01 AM
If McCain loses just one swing state he is done. I guess we won’t know the outcome until Nov 4th or 5th. My suggestion is get out and vote for who you think will be better for this country. My pick is Obama.

Hey Tal, What’s wrong with being a plumber? I have 6 employees and they all have families that we feed, house, and educate with money we make plumbing. Are you better than us?

melissa
Im a democrat so I already offset your vote in a battleground state and I dont believe that you arent on the Obama staff

Dave…if you are dumb enough to believe that voter fraud was not next in line after voter registration fraud(from either party)…you are living in the same poly ana world that Obama thinks we live in. And I love how you people are so quick to dismiss any bad connections to Obama. His past matters and he has spent it with people who hate America…..a quote from his wife when Obama got the bid to be president….”I am finally proud to an American”. That is a very telling statement about what is in the Obama’s hearts.

I am finally proud to be an American too.

And when your VP running mate says that something bad will happen to the country if Obama gets elected….that is in addition to what is already going on. Biden said something extra would happen bad to this country if Obama were elected. Are you kidding me? The man who wants to be VP?

I’m sure Obama expected an authentic, licensed plumber who wasn’t lying about buying a business, and/or an actual educated voter who didn’t use his 15 seconds of fame to grandstand for the world. Maybe someone who didn’t hate himself so much that he would refuse taxes being lowered for his tax bracket.
This guy is a NOBODY and a criminal. Funny how people like this can be elevated in America.

Dave
the truth is you can talk about the Clinton years but you never gave the Clintons respect and we will never forgive you for that… Obama ran out of line the whole thing about the republicans coming down on the Clinton machine is a myth Hillary was the stronger candidate and we will make you pay for it!
Posted by: JG | Oct 25, 2008 3:19:23 AM
I voted for Hillary in the primaries. She helped sway my vote to Obama at the Democratic National Convention and thing she has said since. You are really doing her a great diservice by pushing the hate and divisiveness of the McCain camp. Those are not anywhere near her views or stances. How any former Hillary supporter can vote McCain is beyond comprehension.

jwench…you and your party can explain away anything. Both parties suck…I just know that democrats will not make any type of tough decision with the military unless it is to reduce its size. And you want to subsidize every one who cant afford what ever “it” may be.
Posted by: Greg Garrett | Oct 25, 2008 3:30:53 AM
Ok let’s go with the Republican method and just bomb everybody who doesn’t share our views. Would that satisfy you?

People care about regular plumbers but it’s hard to care about this guy who seems to be mostly about grandstanding.
He cares so little about other plumbers, teachers, firemen other workers – that he’d vote to make them pay more taxes – even though Obama’s plan would benefit them.

All these people who voted for Hillary are crazy. Obama dishes her and she “HAS” to follow the party line and all. Then she supports him. Everyone who voted for her are like sheep. They follow her lead when she never wanted him to be Pres – Pathetic isn’t it

I will come back to this page after Obama has been elected by you suckers. And you will be crying when your taxes go up and you loose your home…Good for you. I will get a good laugh over that one.

You people are aweful. I can not believe one person in here believes Obama will not raise your taxes to make teh government bigger than it already is. Obama is a LAWYER and POLITICIAN…you dont think he just might be lying about not raising your taxes. Once again….the top 10% of earners in this country already pay about 70% of the tax burden. Do you really believe he will raise those folks taxes more? Please stop and smell what you are shoveling.

I voted for McCain. You people need to open your eyes as it is the person you are voting for. Not so much the party. You blame the republicans but Bush made his own mistakes. Look at the Democratic congress who has a lower rating than bush if you want to look at the Party…

I support Barack Obama because I firmly believe he has better judgement than John McCain, and certainly better than Bobblehead Palin. I voted for Hillary in the primaries. When Barack became the Democratic candidate, I put my full support behind him because I share the same fundamental beliefs. We can choose to support a candidate, or choose to support NO candidate.
I believe that Hillary CLinton would be a terrific asset in any position she is offered, and for whatever reason. It matters not at all to me how or why she might be offered a place in his cabinet. Some of you folks get really wrapped up in supposition and speculation, and you respond to rumor and flat out gossip and fearmongering.
Once Barack Obama is elected and the votes are certified it will be time to think about the rest. I trust his sense of how to re-establish our good standing in the world. ANYONE he chooses to serve in his administration will be better than the BEST choice John McCain could scrape together. What I think beyond that is truly hardly relevant. It is what it is. You might as well spend your time and energy focused on your local representatives, that’s where you can really have some degree of impact in the future of the country. You can all keep fighting over this stuff, but you really have only two votes that matter. Do something about those.

Are Joe’s 15 minutes up yet? Anyone who watched the video knows that Obama took the time and respectfully answered his questions (after he approached Obama, not the other way around) and whatever his name is feels the need to say he expected more? Should we forget about the fact that he lied about everything he said to Obama about his income, his prospects, and even his name? He spoke with him about giving tax breaks to the middle class and this guy who barely qualifies for the middle class is scared? It’s official is a Republican.

I read this crap from Obama and It comes from stupid people. Your taxes will go up baby and you will have to quit going to Walmart. Even the markets are droping as they fear a Obama victory

Greg
ok so you dont want to be associated with a democrat thats fine I just never bought into the Obamamania and Im a democrat …its painful to some that Mccain would be centrist and Obama would be far left but republicans better stay with Mccain regardless of the fact that hes not right wing!

Yep – you airheads who think Obama will tax small busnisses and not cut employees are so stupid. Go back and finish your HSD.

joe the plummer is such a fraud

jwench…..if you dont believe your taxes will go up with Obama as pres., then you are either very young or very stupid…or both. Its nice to see you getting little testy though….is it past your bedtime?

Greg:
Okay, just so I understand. Somewhere on this site, you said that you make $60,000 per year. Under McCain’s plan, your taxes would remain exactly as they are and under Obama’s plan, you would get a tax cut. And you don’t want this because you’ve bought all of that nonsense that Obama will really raise your taxes?
I feel sorry for you, if that’s the case.

“Joe the Dumber” needs to be trying to figure out why he is in his mid-30′s and cannot make over 40 thousand a year.
Why did He even waste Obama’s time talking about how he was getting ready to buy as business when he could not even afford to pay his taxes. what a loser.
OBAMA / BIDEN NOV.4th

Wow! Kecel “the markets are droping because of Obama” really! so I guess next week Hurricane will me Obama’s fault also. It’s late buddy. Go to sleep for a few hours, get some rest, and come back when your rational.
People lets stop these dividers Vote for rational, steady minds. Obama and Bidden 08. And please forgive Kcel he’s probably just came back from a Palin rally, which would explain his “crazy talk”

kcel…seriously, what, are you 12? Are you JG’s little brother? Got a big LAN party goin’ tonight,bro?
So yeah, I was hoping to sign off with a little intelligent discourse, but the median IQ on this blog seems to have plummeted, so I’ll tok plane so summa y’all kin figur out wut i meen. Im votin fer BROK HISSANE OBOMMA. CUZ I THINK HEEZ HOT, YO.
Don’t worry, little kcel, Obama has plans to help improve Bush’s crappy “No Child’s Behind left” program, maybe we can get you some help. So you can get smarter n stuff.

Hillary was never a classy woman. Amagine waking up to look at that – ask Bill – that is why he had Monica. You probably look like Hillary..hahaha. I think Palin is far more professional than Hillary.
Posted by: kcel | Oct 25, 2008 4:08:32 AM
I guess if you had $150,000 makeeover you wouldn’t look like a moose.
Jwench – you need to be working doubles to pay for Obama’s tax. Go ahead – its the patriotic thing to do…
Posted by: kcel | Oct 25, 2008 4:12:12 AM
If you only knew who I worked for would shut your mouth…lol. Hint: the initials are FG.

Bet I know more about Patriotism than you do. While you can’t get your ass off of the sofa. I have been in the military for 34 years. I have been to Iraq. For a laugh – I got on this to see what the low life Democrats are up too.

Obama scared the hall of a lot of working class people

Maybe I’m missing something here, but it seems the underlying tone in all of the McCain supporters is fear. I’m sorry, but the America I was raised in was not filled with quailing, sniveling mama’s boys.
I lost my father in WWII and lived through a real war. Not this silly “war on terror.” A war that lives within that dim bulb, sometimes referred to as Bush’s brain.
In a real war, people do without and are taxed – my mother wasn’t told to go shopping by Roosevelt. We had meat and dairy products rationed. Most of our neighbor’s cars were put up on blocks for the duration. Why? You couldn’t buy tires.
Allied forces were taking casualties in the tens of thousands weekly.
So people, stop your whining and get a spine and act like Americans – not doofuses with eighth grade educations.
Vote Obama, or risk the future of your children.

Dear ABC, You should be ashamed of yourselves. This is a non-story. Who the hell is he???? A tax-dodging illegal plumber who had his “15 minutes of fame”? Someone who knows nothing about political science or real economics? WHY is he qualified to make political commentary on ABCNews’s front page? This guy is a true nobody.

jwench…your lesser of 2 evils has no clue about how dangerous the current world is. This man wants to scrap the missle defense sytem. Wants to negotiate with terrorist states and those that support terrorism. There are countries that are led by people that dont care about dying for their religious cause. They believe it is their religious duty to rid the world of all faiths except for Islam. There are 1 billion Muslims in the world. If you say 15% want me dead because I am a Christian….that is still 1/2 the population of the USA. That is a large number of people that will not get dealt with while a democrat is in office. A democrat left hostages in Iran for 444 days! There were let go when Reagan got elected. The same people who led that “revolution” are all over the govt of Iran…including their president…and he answers to the Imams who gave their blessings the first time. These people are not going to negotiate….they are going to bide their time.

So whats up Next for McCain give
Joe the Plumber a cabinet Post? ….
No McCain is no Bush … McCain would
Have to improve himself to even
equal G.W. Bush…
McCain sounds like Baghdad Bob before
the fall of Iraq…

So yeah…Joe the Plumber is a right wing hack who’s had his 15. He’ll disappear from the political radar really soon because people have heard enough about him. He can’t defend the position he holds which will NOT benefit him as much as an Obama tax plan. What a maroon!!! Get a brain, get a job, get lost JOE. Barack Obama is going to reinstill some hope into this country. He WILL be elected President. I hope we see Joe the Plumber in about 2 years, backpedaling out of his stupid remarks and eating his words. Good luck to all of you.

Firekitty469:
If at the McCain rally, you heard someone in the crowd yell “kill him”, why didn’t come forward and reported it to the Secret Service and FBI when they were looking into the matter? The Secret Service and FBI reported that they did not hear anyone yell those words, and that no one came forward when they asked for witnesses, so drop the story if you did not fulfill your duty and responsibility to report it.
To All Obama Supporters: I don’t understand how the majority of you have the audacity to accuse McCain supporters of being hateful, angry, and rude when you Obama supporters, first against your fellow Democrats who supported Hillary Clinton, and now McCain supporters. You have been acting so full of hatred, anger, rudeness, recurring to name calling, and calling everybody a racist who does not support Barack Hussein Obama. Anyone who uses Barack Hussein Obama’s middle name, does not support him is called a racist, bigot, white trash, trailer park trash, rude, stupid, etc. Anything Hillary and McCain supporters have said is code for racist, black, don’t vote for him, etc. I think the answer for your actions could be that Barack Hussein Obama created and encouraged your hostile and in your face attitude and behavior. You’re not open-minded to hear the truth about Barack Hussein Obama, not respecting other people’s right to their opinions.
To Ikinopfl / Oct 25, 2008 1:43:53 AM: Thanks, but no thanks. I don’t need your prayers, because I don’t know who you pray to. Pray for your soul. For our prayers to be heard and answered, we need to be in communion with GOD by following his commandments, and only HE knows what’s in our soul and if we deserve his mercy.
To Kimo_Pono / Oct 25, 2008 1:58:35 AM: I could go off in Spanish and call you names and you wouldn’t understand what I’m writing or calling you, but I’m not going to stoop down to that. If Obama’s Grandma passes on, it’s because it was her time, not like I wished it upon her, or have the power to make it happen. Obama is the one who made a big show out of visiting his Grandma. If he was really sincere he wouldn’t have announced his plans, and he would have left immediately upon learning of her condition, not wait two weeks. Where was the urgency? If Obama has been so secretive of most of his life, why make a show out of his visit to Grandma? Because he wants attention, the sympathy vote, give the appearance that he’s compassionate, and remind voters that he has a White Grandma. Why did he throw his Grandma under the bus like everybody else? Why did Obama fail to attend his mother’s funeral?
Why don’t you Obama supporters demand that Barack Hussein Obama and his campaign disclose his birth certificate, medical records, school, Columbia and Harvard universities’ transcripts, thesis, state senate record, his associations with terrorists, criminals, spiritual mentors, and his campaign donors list? Barack Hussein Obama’s campaign, his supporters, and the media (MSNBC, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC) have been the most hateful, ruthless, merciless people trashing fellow Democrats supporting Hillary Clinton, and to McCain/Palin supporters. I have never seen so many JUDAS’s (traitors) biting the hands that fed them. I was deeply saddened and disappointed when Gov. Bill Richardson betrayed the Clintons for Obama, when the Clintons made him. Who was Bill Richardson before the Clintons? A nobody. Who was Colin Powell before President Reagan appointed him Chief of Staff? An unknown. Colin Powell disappointed me a little because I thought he was above and beyond acting the way he did, but he did not surprise me. Powell was never a Republican anyway. I really hope you Obama supporters don’t regret voting for him if he’s elected. Be careful what you wish for, don’t go crying when you get drafted, because as the world is right now, our country is very vulnerable. I’m so proud to have served in military for 22 1/2 years, and I’m voting for Senator John McCain because he’s military retiree, is more qualified, experienced, knowledgeable, has earned the honor of being our Commander-in-Chief, and paid his dues, and because of my religious beliefs and convictions. I can honestly and sincerely say that I’m voting for country first. May God bless our troops, our country, and the rest of the world! Thanks to ABC if you post this, if not I understand, it’s too long.

Republicans don’t hate spreading the wealth and they don’t hate taxes. What they hate is spreading any wealth to poor or middle class people, but spreading the wealth to fat-cat rich Wall Street Bankers and corporate CEO’s is just fine.
And taxes are fine if they are paid by poor people and used to support warmongering and crony sweetheart deals favored by the president. The Republican is afraid that some rich person, somewhere, might have to pay more of their fair share of taxes, even though those same rich people outsource our jobs and pay a lower tax-rate now than they did under Ronald Reagan’s presidency. What I don’t get is why stupid middle class and poor people side with the Republicans, who DO NOT CARE about them? They support the very crooks that have ruined all of our lives and they support them aggressively. That is both insane AND stupid.

I think Mc Cain is getting ready to drop the bomb. He will drop Sarah Palin and make Joe the Plumber the new VP.
really!!! he can do the job. Today he said that an Obama administration “frightens” him! I would be frightened also! I mean imagine 95 percent of America with extra money! I mean they may send their kids to college or buy a newspaper! What will Republicans do without so many ignorant people out there to believe that Obama is a terrorist palin, closet muslim socialst adulterer (just something new for the tired mix)
Yes Joe the Plumber, be scared,
be very, very scared.

seriously…why are people asking this guy anything?

Who cares if his name is Joe or Sam?
Who cares if he’s a plumber?
It’s Obama, his campaign, supporters, and the media who made a big deal about Joe the Plumber because all of you felt threatened by him. All of you fell into Senator McCain’s game! Good night to all, sweet dreams! I can’t stop laughing, some of these posts are so funny!
Posted by: Diana in California | Oct 25, 2008 5:49:14 AM
There you go with the lies again. The Republicans are the one who kept bringing this up .

Diana…when your head hits the pillow, maybe you’ll remember that it was JOHN McCAIN who used Joe the Plumber during the last debate FIRST, and then again 20+ times. HE was the one who has tried to turn this guy into some kind of American Hero…and now JOE the LOSER tax evader who isn’t really a plumber is contemplating running for Congress!!I wonder which one of the braintrusts at the RNC (ROVE) told him that would be a good idea. Poor idiot, he really thinks it might work. If it wasn’t so bizarre I’d be laughing hysterically.
So sleep tight Diana, just remember who shoved this guy into the national spotlight.

He gives me an uneasy feeling too. That is precisely why I will NOT be voting for Obama!

Anthony, I couldn’t have said it better. This country is full of really smart, motivated and talented people like Barack Obama who demonstrate a great instinct with issues and people. Why settle for someone who’s not well educated (McCain & Palin) when there are so many to choose from on all sides of the political spectrum? The truth is that we can choose someone who is smart, well spoken and can think on his feet without reacting in anger at the drop of a hat…or we can choose someone who is REALLY old, not particularly well educated who will probably not last a whole first term. That leaves “you know who…wink, wink”. There’s a pack of brains for ya!
Why would ANYONE not want brains over bully? There’s a lot of cleanup to do after this last idiot was in office and it’s going to take a calm, cool personality with smarts to re-connect on the world stage. Bush and his people have pissed away decades of goodwill and respect we’ve earned. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are the best choice to mend the fences and build new bridges.

LOL – glad I popped back into this blog entry. Looks like the party got started a bit late.

First, Joe the plumber is a fraud and a liarand a fool.How long is he going to lead his miserable life in the “lie” that he is a plumber with a dream to buy a 25000 business???.
Common, this a divorced man rejected by his wife for what he’s worth a liar nd a loser!!!.
For those us who are realists.We want someone who can stand up to the rich fat cats of Wall Street and the Mccains with rich, trophy wives and say we believe Obama because he comes from our station!!!.

I would like all the people who care what Joe the Non-Plumber thinks to raise their hand. Alright, the three of you should vote for McCain – Palin!

My first impression after seeing the linkup between video of Joe-Obama discussion and the heavy push by McCain and Sarah was that he was a plant, just like the woman with the backwards B on her face.
Joe is now being touted in a desperate attempt to hoodwink everyone that he and McC and Palin are for real and capable. I am not usually the first one to spot a fake but this year there is a party making it so easy for me to do.

There are over three hundred million Americans in this country, none more real than any other. Who the hell cares what this particularly dumb fraud says about anything? Why doesn’t he come right out and say it — he would rather ruin this country than vote for a black person.

Sarah “You Betcha!” Palin becoming POTUS should something happen to McCain is far, far more terrifying then the thought of having Barack “Who’s Sane” Obama “the Socialist”. McCain is scary enough himself. One of his aides said that WAR WITH IRAN would be INEVITABLE. This same guy sings cheerily “Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran.”
Obama “the Socialist” at least seems to know what the heck he’s doing and what financial deregulation is, and about the history of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

Give us back the ideals of our once-great nation – lets once again think about what’s in it for ALL OF US instead of just thinking what’s in it for ME. We were doing so well and was viewed by the rest of the world as a Great Nation with those ideals until our leaders and industry CEOs started thinking so selfishly beginning about 8 years ago.

This concept of Joe is a lie. Here is why. Anyone making over 250K is paying less in taxes than Shirley the waitress who makes 27k. The amount of redistribution wealth tax incentives my group recieves for making that much money is very unfair. Shirley gets no tax write off, while we can write off up to 40% on Trips, Dinners, Electronic Equipment, Cars, Books, Magazine subscriptions and even vacations. That is a 40% discount. I challenge any body in our group to speak otherwise. It’s the dirty secret we don’t want to get out. Enough is enough. The people who pay our bills, “Middle Class” needs help. MY GROUPS FURTURE DEPENDS ON IT.

You cons need to get used to the fact that we will have a black president VERY soon.

This way of thinking is actually pretty typical here in southern Ohio. It’s depressing that most of the supporters of BOTH major parties fell that allowing the government to take away 33% (more or less) of their pay, is acceptable.

So, when will we read where the RNC paid Joe the Plumber $150k for ‘clothes’? Perhaps makeup. How about just plain old shill…

Senator McCain needs to become acquainted with Joe the Concession Speech Writer.

The Dem Media (yes ABC, you are the worst) has openly campaigned for Obama and incites hate against McCain/Palin and anyone who supports them – even common citizens like Joe. There is no hate like the hate of a Liberal Democrate.

Like a lot of people joe-the-plumber is just “uninformed”. Even Warren Buffett said that it is not fair that his secretary pays more taxes than he does. Bill Gates father has the same opinion. People making the Big Bucks need to step up and pay their share because they have benefited on the backs of hard-working Americans. Obama/Biden 2008!!!

/ am terrified of having four more years of a loose cannon for a President who favours sabre-rattling at nations like Iran and North Korea and doesn’t seem to understand that sometimes you have to talk to the enemy.
A President who believes the best way to strengthen America is through strong-arm tactics all the time, showing the world how we are not afraid to throw our military weight around- although America has lost credibility with countries who liken us to a bully instead of a leader and our military has its limits. The world wants us to SHOW THE WAY, not shove them.

McCain cant win it for himself. Palin cant win it for McCain. Now Joe the plumber is trying to win it for McCain and Palin. McCains campaine staff should have been fired a long time ago.
Even the woman with the B on her face was a fraud. McCain is showing more and more that he wouldnt be a good decision maker or President.

Ron Howard has never endorsed a politician before. He’s a good, honest, American everyone can trust.

Plumber Joe better hope he has been honest with the IRS regarding his taxes for the past years and upcoming year. Believe me, he will be monitored like a hawk, if not audited. Price you pay for trying to be in the lime light.

Grey Matter – Yup – I remember god old Clinton. Osama blew up two embassies and he lobbed a few cruse missles at him and missed. A few years later Osama was back and hit the Towers. Some of these people don’t understand talk…If that were the case why has israel been trying for 40 years with the palestinians?? All you have is grey matter…

I’m scared for America that this idiot is part of our national dialog, thanks McCain.

I don’t have any experience, never managed anyone or anything…I have no problem raising your taxes.. Can I run for Pres like Obama???

Did you see the cartoon today that showed Joe the Plumber walking into the room where they store discarded symbols? There was an acorn, Sarah Palin with Moose antlers and the like. To me that cartoon symbolized McCain’s campaign, jumping from one fleeting thing to another. Millions have been laid off, retirees have lost Trillions in value in their retirement funds. People have lost homes, pensions, health care, the ability to send their children to college/vocational school. And John McCain still spends his time accusing, talking about Ayers, about how Obama is going to raise taxes, etc., jumping from one thing to another. I wish John McCain would talk about what he, John McCain, is going to do to help hurting people. In fact, I wish McCain had done as Obama has done. Started out the campaign outlining where he stands on issues and then continued to talk about those issues. All this jumping around hasn’t helped anyone.

Yes, I suppose the Palestinians are all smiles about Israel when Israel has carried out some questionable air strikes that have killed only civilians. Yes, we must support a strategic ally in the region, but to solve this conflict, we’ve got to show we do care about those innocent people killed too.
Erm…Osama hit the towers when guess who was President? Bush? Who, by, the way, has yet to catch Osama. Instead of going for the kill when Osama was in their crosshairs, Bush called it off to redeploy people for his Iraq adventure. On the day when Bush declared war on Iraq, somewhere, I am sure, the terrorists were laughing.
I am talking about Iran. The Iranians are bitter towards America for a number of reasons. One is because the CIA initiated a coup de tat to ovethrow what could have been Iran’s democratically elected leader and reinstated a dictator, the Reza Shah in the 1960s-70s. Now, do you suppose starting a war with Iran is any better? This may just encourage Iran to ramp up its production of nuclear weapons. And let’s say we get into Iran, amid all the chaos, I think that would create a risk of terrorist getting their hands on nuclear weapons. Constructive engagement is something worth trying. They don’t have the excuse we’re refusing to reasonable and strong-arm them.

Yeh – you poor suckers think Obama is not going to raise your taxes. I have property to sell you… Hope he gets in and raises your taxes, then maybe you can loose your home. Ya know – the one where the car in front is worth more than the home…I will be laughing all the way. He has suckered you bigtime for sure

mccain knows it’s over. Here are some headlines today:
—————
Charles Fried, the Solicitor General for President Ronald Reagan, announced today that he has already voted for Sen. Barack Obama.
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Fried said he made this decision after seeing the VP pick mccain made. mccain is now just trying to salvage a couple senate seats for the repubs. Obama/Biden 2008!!!

Joe the plumber: “I was surprised to find that he (Obama) seemed very average.”
What did you expect? a terrorist? I am surprised though why Joe was sweating profusely while talking to Obama on the video? Scared? Awed?
Joe the plumber: “I don’t want someone else’s hard earned money.” (as a result of Obama’s tax cut.
Tell that to your republican friends. They have been doing that for their rich friends. Joe has to explain why when business grows, from the 80s to now, that CEOs pay goes from 25 times the average employee pay in their firm in the 80s to 400 times today?
Shouldn’t the average employee also benefit for working hard to grow the business? Who do you think is taking whose money in this scenario?
What Joe is missing is that unless you pay the middle calss enough wages to purchase the goods and services produced, there won’t be economic development; not good for workers and not good for the CEOs as well.
Joe, your 15 minutes of glory is up. McCain does not give a $i## about you. In fact he does not want you near him. You are not as good looking as Palin. McCain is using you and you will go back to your plumbing. I am not sure if the business is going to treat you well, given now everyone knows that you are not licensed. I would not give my hard earned money to someone to do a job in my house without a lisence. You understand that Joe, don’t you?

McCain must be supremely stupid in comparison then, if Obama (an Ivy Leaguer, yes elitist I know! OMG!) is “simple minded”.
McCain believes everything can be solved with sabre rattling or beating/killing people into submission and “tough talk”. He believes that somehow, when he cuts taxes for everyone, he will SOMEHOW have money to pay for his programs and $10 billion per month Iraq War.

Obamasuckers – Has a good ring to it. These are people who really believe they will get a tax cut. The people who will vote for any idiot and you don’t even need experience..

So, JTP is “Scared for America’ after meeting Obama. Where was this guy for the past 8 years if he feels Obama is terrifying?

kcel,
It’s people like you that make it easy to understand how bush/cheney got elected twice. Don’t you realize that bush is going down in history as the “Worst” president ever. And if you think mccain would be any different that bush then you are even more an idiot than you appear. Obama/Biden 2008 CHANGE is coming!!!

This whole episode is so funny,
Joe the plumber- lets say he makes $250 K per year owns a business, and doesnt want his taxes to be raised.
Lets accept that he got a point. he dislikes that idea and he can not vote for OBAMA. So now he is asking his fellow americans who makes $250 K not to vote for Obama and Mccain backs him.
Everything makes sense. What i dont understand is how Mccain is going to win by attracting voters who is making $250 K ( 5% of total voters)????
Isn’t he missing the rest of votes?? Am i missing something here? or american politics have changed after bush????

I grew up poor as my father developed Parkinson’s Disease and had to retire on a Social Security disability pension. I have a college education and a post graduate degree. I make good money but I realize that many good, deserving people are not as fortunate as I. I was lucky enough to be born to parents who loved and cared for me, grew up in a community which valued education and I was born with above average ability. I know people who work two jobs and still can hardly make it. The jobs they work involve hard physical work. I am tired of the idea that the wealthy deserve every penny of what they have. That isn’t often true – many were born into it.
Joe hasn’t paid his taxes, doesn’t have a license and doesn’t understand the issues or the candidates. He has no credibility in my book.

Hey I value intelligence but experience is right up there. Funny how I have a Masters Degree and everytime I apply for a job they look at experience first. The degree just gets you in the door for a look. Granted McCain is no Regan – But he is smart and has experience. I don’t believe for one minute that he will be another Bush. People need to place their blame on Bush – but not everyone in the GOP would have done what he did. He made a lot of mistakes.

I love how the Obama supporters hit the homeless shelters and food shelters and the HUD apartments to take all these people to get registered to vote and a free meal. I am sure they will make the same rounds on election day and maybe just maybe they might get another free mealfor casting their vote to the money messiah. After the election –they will care less once again about these people and it will again be the hardworkers of America donating their time and money for food banks, coat banks, Christmas funds..

I am following this election since primaries, I do not understand how can u trust Maccain who is changing his view throughout his campaign. I true leader does not always says what people like to listen. Only question Joe should be thinking, if he can, how McCain’s policies are different then Bush policy. Whoever is elected u cannot stop him changing his mind…so why not go with the guy who is consistent in his campaign. What guarantee Joe have that McCain is not going to change his mind later.
It not the time to think America as Republican America or Democratic America ,It is time to think about United States of America.

Hey I value intelligence but experience is right up there. Funny how I have a Masters Degree and everytime I apply for a job they look at experience first. The degree just gets you in the door for a look. Granted McCain is no Regan – But he is smart and has experience. I don’t believe for one minute that he will be another Bush. People need to place their blame on Bush – but not everyone in the GOP would have done what he did. He made a lot of mistakes.
Posted by: kcel | Oct 25, 2008 8:24:34 AM
You say he’s not Bush but he has sided with Bush’s failed policies 90% of the time. He said that himself like he was proud of it.

The only reason McCain hasn’t played the Rev. Wright card is that it would confuse most of his “Obama is a Muslim” voter base. For McCain’s purposes, Obama can either be a Muslim or the wrong type of Christian, but not both.

Joe the plumber is not the only one who thinks there is something wrong with Obama. You want change, well you won’t like the changes you will get with him. Wake up dumb ass Obama lovers he is not for the American dream, only his. The air around him smells too much like sulfur to suit me.

Neocon logic:
35% tax rate (under Bush) = Great step forward for Capitalism
39% tax rate (same as under Reagan) = Socialism
How many of the people can you fool all of the time?

Joe the plumber is a Plant. He is now running for congress under the Republican ticket.

Joe the *(* owes the state of ohio back taxes!!! He should be in jail. Many years ago when I lived in Ohio and was a 19 yr. old student, I owed the State of OHIO $130 in taxes and took 1 second shift at a restuarant just to take care of my tax bill owed to OHIO. I can’t believe McCain/Palin are supporting an idiot who breaks the law. I work with contractors in florida and not one of them makes $250,000 per year. The owner of my company still drives a 10 year old car and pays 75% of our health insurance and he has never made that kind of money. What a republican. You want to see real contractors with problems…go to SWFL. And by the way, a young police man was murdered here in SWFL several months ago and no one knows it, but Joe Biden has quietly been in constant contact with his widow, helping her thru the most difficult of times and our republican mayor is holding a meeting today “Republicans for Obama”. Wake up America. You are about to elect one of the brightest and most history making presidents of our era. He is destined to make great things happen for all americans.

kcel wrote: ‘McCain is no Regan – But he is smart’
Who told you that?
McCain graduated at the bottom of his class at Naval Academy, crashed a couple of planes during training and was investigated many times, he missed his assigned target when he was shot down in Vietnam (the Vietnamese joked that he might have killed some fish in the water), picked Palin as his running mate,…
Is this smart for you?

McCain and his campaine staff are idiots. First he paicks a canidate that isnt qualified for VP. Now he campaines with this Joe guy as his main talking point. Doesnt this Joe guy owe back taxes and is basically a dead beat? I pay my taxes and make less than he does. The woman with the B on her face backfired for McCain. McCain brings in Rove and talks about reform-yea right.
McCain. Through this whole election McCain has tried to win votes on everything but his own merits. He tries to win by slamming Obama and gets these loosers to try to win it for him. Nov 4th will tell how great this has worked for him.

Who really cares what this deadbeat, unlicensed plumber, tax cheat has to say?

kcel wrote: ‘McCain is no Regan – But he is smart’
Who told you that?
McCain graduated at the bottom of his class at Naval Academy, crashed a couple of planes during training and was investigated many times, he missed his assigned target when he was shot down in Vietnam (the Vietnamese joked that he might have killed some fish in the water), picked Palin as his running mate,…
Is this smart for you?
Posted by: selam | Oct 25, 2008 8:38:15 AM
At least if she is going to say something about Reagan spell his name right. Or is she talking about Donald Regan.
To me I want somebody who is smart not somebody who was at the bottom of the class.

HEY JOE!
Take your bile out on John McCain:
STUDENT, OCTOBER 12, 2000:
“Why is it that someone like my father who goes to school for 13 years gets penalized in a huge tax bracket because he’s a doctor. Why is that – why does he have to pay higher taxes than everybody else? Just because he makes more money. How is that fair?”
JOHN MCCAIN:
“I think you’re questioning, questioning the fundamentals of a progressive tax system where people who make more money pay more in taxes than a flat across the board percentage. I think it’s to some degree because we feel obviously that wealthy people can afford more.”
IGNORANCE OF THE FACTS IS CORRELATED TO BEING A REPUBLICAN!

joe is so irrelevant now,people are so blind, even after he found out that under obamas’ plan, he would get more of a tax break, he still cant see,vote people, enough of these stunts,change is coming.

All this ranting about JOE PLUMER.He is not the issue.If the news media had been doing what is expected of them they would have asked the question.They have spent so much time digging for dirt on anyone and everyone that they should be spending on who is running and what they believe.The media has become no more than the National Enquire.You cannot trust anything they print or say.If Oboma is lowering taxes on 95% of AMERICA like he say’s.Do you think 5%higher on 5% of the people will pay for all he say’s he will do.I’m not collage educated but i can do the math. It will not work.Both running will say anything to get elected.WAKE UP AMERICA DO THE MATH ON BOTH.We have too the media won’t.

Joe better be scared of the IRS. They are not a joke, and he needs to pay his taxes like every other American. This guy is a joke!!

Go away meaningless Joe!!! You should be afraid, of the other party and the people who have run this country into the ground, Republicans (rich and only for the rich)their greed is taking us all down and the rich and selfish Democrats too!!! At least Obama loudly states he gives a damn about the rest of us. We will rise up and we’ve had enough. So take your fears and go away. Too many of us are not afraid of trying something new….could actually help things. I will have hope. I know what I’ve seen and suffered thanks to your rich leaders and it’s awful…

It kills me that everybody is questioning Obama’s experience or more so saying that McCain has experience. To the best of my knowledge, the only person who is experience enough in a presidential campaign to be president, is the incumbent seeking reelection. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Palin’s argument for her experience versus Obama’s experience translates to McCain also. The only person with “executive” experience in the four is Palin. So should she be on the top of the ticket. Oh GOD NO. But for all who can’t say it, lets practice it….PRES-I-DENT BA-RACK O-BA-MA. I know the tendency is to drag on that first syllable of the last name, but if you just open your mouth, it slides right off your tongue. Get used to it. It’s going to happen.

Interesting comparison to Art Carney, who was also an actor that pretended to be a plumber onstage. If anyone doubts that this guy is a setup by the Christian Republican Church Party, you are not paying attention or you are easily fooled.

Politicians make up some interesting characters to support their agendas. “Joe the plumber” has just about as much relevance as an opinion from SpongeBob SquarePants. He is a force in the minds of McCain-Palin, and an icon they created, but his opinion is not indicative of the opinions of the majority. He wants to run for Congress? He’s started off by lying about who and what he is, so he’s off to a good start. If he models himself on McCain-Palin, it will not be possible to believe a thing he says.
But, a question. Why do so many McCain-Palin supporters have an inability to spell words or construct complete sentences?

This is where education and good upbringing come in. This unlicensed plumber is so gullible to even figure out that the McBush team is only using him for campaign purposes. They would dump him easily after the election because they won’t have any need for him. Hey, unlicensed plumber, who do you think will finance your campaign in 2010? Do you think these republicans (small “r”) will spend money on a loser like you come 2010? No, they would select somebody who is more educated than you? Wake up!!! They are only using you.

kcel,
Colin Powell thinks that the choice of Palin indicates a major lack of judgement on the part of John McCain.
Then there is this incoherent collection of words that spilled out of her mouth:
“It’s very important when you consider even national-security issues with Russia as Putin rears his head and comes into the airspace of the United States of America. Where—where do they go? It’s Alaska. It’s just right over the border. It is from Alaska that we send those out to make sure that an eye is being kept on this very powerful nation, Russia, because they are right there. They are right next to—to our state.”
WHAT THE HELL IS SHE TALKING ABOUT? PUTIN’S HEAD? ENTERING ALASKA’S AIRSPACE???
Has Palin ever heard of Norad? If Putin ever flies into American airspace without the permission of the President, his plane would be forced down or shot down!

SARAH IS RIGHT, SHE DOES HAVE MORE EXPERIENCE THAN OBAMA….MORE EXPERIENCE AT CHEATING, LYING AND STEALING….THE REPUBLICAN WAY.

Of course Joe the Plumber is scared.
All the repulicans are scared.
We have ripped the face off their hypocrisy, lies, and racism.
“Joe” – Who is not really a plumber, does not pay his taxes, and who is the nephew of a Keating 5 – a business owner who admits that he has no plans or means to buy a business – he’s scared all right. His lies are exposed, but he still has to follow through on his marketing contract with the RNC.

Do people realize the $250,000 tax base refers to profits after all the bills are paid (including employees wages etc.) Some of these comments suggest Obama is taxing total revenue for small businesses. Please note that Income = Revenue – cost. A typical small business with a net income of $250,000 would be brining in revenues (sales) in the region of $1 million.
Posted by: JoshH | Oct 25, 2008 9:01:33 AM
BINGO. That’s what the Republican fear mongers fail to tell you.

Adam,
When you said that Joe the “unlicensed” plumber is a “middleclass conservative”, I think you are giving him too much credit. As per public records, he makes only about $47,000 annually (this is counting the $1,200.00 he hasn’t paid last year to the IRS). This fool is being taken in for a ride by the opportunistic and lying republicans. The real Halloween characters are McBush, mayor putin, and this Joe undertaker.
He looks like the Undertaker or King Kong Bundy of wrestling.
Halloween party this year is the Republicans’ “Freak Show”!!!

Even scarier is the use of government computer data bases to track every move of this man (illegally). It’s being investigated. The way they looked into every aspect of this mans life is frightening. Who’s next? Oppose Obama openly and see what you get.

Hey obama supporters! Get ready to lose your job! Most jobs in America are in small business. You start taxing the small business guy and you will lose your job. My business makes more than $250,000 a year and you bet that I won’t hesitate to fire one or two people to keep up my lifestyle. I have been blessed under the Bush & McCain tax plans to expand my business and hire more people. Under obamas plan, I will have to retreat and let some of you go. I don’t consider myself “rich” by any means. I live no different than most of my employees. Hell, I even live in the same neighborhood as one of them. But I do control who has a job in my company and if push comes to shove, the employee will suffer. The redistribution of wealth sounds like a great idea until it hits you smack in the face! Good luck…

Why is this guy continuing to be given a mouthpiece? Here we learn about what is in the gut of a guy who is a fraud being made out to be a fradulent symbol by McCain.

Hey McCain supporters, you selfish people who have no one serving in the military. Support McCain, you’re all just like him.
Have you heard McCain’s boys are NOT on the front lines OR in the air…. Yep, arrangements are sweet aren’t they.

Even scarier is the use of government computer data bases to track every move of this man (illegally). It’s being investigated. The way they looked into every aspect of this mans life is frightening. Who’s next? Oppose Obama openly and see what you get.
Posted by: samhiguchi | Oct 25, 2008 9:08:11 AM
Well you can thank YOUR Republican President for that ability. They could be doing it right now to you or I. Isn’t that a pleasant thought.

THANK YOU jwench…
REVENUE – EXPENSES = INCOME
THE AD JOHN MCCAIN IS RUNNING ON TV, WHERE THE POOREST OF PEOPLE ARE SAYING “I AM JOKE THE PLUMBER” ARE A JOKE….THEY PROBABLY NEVER SEEN INCOME OF $50k, YET ALONG $250. HALF OF THE PEOPLE IN THAT VIDEO LOOKS AS IF THEY NEED WEALTH TO TRICKLE DOWN TO HELP THEM. WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THE MCCAIN/PALIN TICKET? IF I WAS MCCAIN, I WOULD FIRE EVERYONE ON MY CAMPAIGN AND CALL OBAMA UP FOR A JOB.

Posted by: revalations08 | Oct 25, 2008 9:15:15 AM
About as pathetic as the McCain ad running about clinging to guns and religion. They guy on it sounds like a cross between Jethro and Homer Simpson.

I AM SCARED FOR AMERICA AS WELL! OBAMA WILL HIT MY COMPANY WITH A TAX INCREASE. WHAT WILL THAT MEAN TO MY JOB? HEY, I DON’T MAKE ANYWHERE NEAR 250,000 OR EVEN 100,000 FOR THAT MATTER BUT MY EMPLOYEER PAYS WELL AND GIVES GOOD SALARY INCREASES. I DON’T NEED OBAMA COMING IN A TAXING MY COMPANY. I KNOW SOME OF COWORKERS ARE GOING TO LOSE THEIR JOBS IF OBAMA WINS. IT’S VERY SCARY INDEED….

Jwench,
I totally agree with your posting below:
“Do people realize the $250,000 tax base refers to profits after all the bills are paid (including employees wages etc.) Some of these comments suggest Obama is taxing total revenue for small businesses. Please note that Income = Revenue – cost. A typical small business with a net income of $250,000 would be bringing in revenues (sales) in the region of $1 million.”
Most of my rich friends are voting McBush because they want to hoard their mmoney. However, most of my intelligent friends are voting Obama. The common denominator is that true Americans who love our country are voting for Obama, and not this failed policies of the Republicans who hide under the skirt of their mothers!!!

The sheeple are at it again, the people here who claim to own business are disingenuous when they talk about having to fire people under Obama’s tax plan. Employees make business people money, if they didn’t they wouldn’t hire them they are not welfare organizations. Under ideal business models the more employees you have the more money you will make. If JOE hires a plumber at $35 and hour and pays $15 in bennie’s and charges $100 shop rate he makes $50 an hour for every plumber he has working a job. If this wasn’t so they would fire ALL OF THERE EMPLOYEES. Joe the plumber was a plant and an idiot. In business you pay taxes on income not gross sales. If you had sales of say $1M and profited $250K you had to pay taxes on that at individual rate to bad that was your personal income. Many times your tax man can twiddle that down with other investment credits. Why is it that some of the people who have gained the most from our system don’t want to pay there fair share to help keep our system strong the very system that got them where they are today? Bill G. and Warren B and the gowning list of $B got rich and still paid taxes under the old system. Greed took over in our system and look where it has lead us to today. Under the old system the little guy made a livable income and spent it in the very business you want to run today JOE.

Posted by: obama sucks | Oct 25, 2008 9:20:54 AM
IF YOUR COMPANY ISN’T A SMALL BUSINESS…THEN THIS TAX PLAN DON’T APPLY TO THEM? HE’S (OBAMA)IS NOT TALKING ABOUT CORP TAX HERE. SO GET EDUCATED AND GET YOUR FACT’S STRAIGHT….SOME SMALL BUSINESSES WILL GET TAX BREAKS FOR OTHER REASONS.
ASK JWENCH? WHO APPEARS TO BE VERY EDUCATED WITH BOTH CAMPAIGN’S.

Jwench,
I totally agree with your posting below:
“Do people realize the $250,000 tax base refers to profits after all the bills are paid (including employees wages etc.) Some of these comments suggest Obama is taxing total revenue for small businesses. Please note that Income = Revenue – cost. A typical small business with a net income of $250,000 would be bringing in revenues (sales) in the region of $1 million.”
Most of my rich friends are voting McBush because they want to hoard their mmoney. However, most of my intelligent friends are voting Obama. The common denominator is that true Americans who love our country are voting for Obama, and not this failed policies of the Republicans who hide under the skirt of their mothers!!!
Posted by: morningcalm | Oct 25, 2008 9:21:52 AM
Unlike Joe the plumber I won’t lie. I didn’t write that another poster did and I was agreeing with them.

Sucks: Yes, you sound scared. Unemployment is coming. You might end up joining the ranks of people you have looked down on for so long. The people you have called ‘dead beats’ and ‘lazy’. But, Sucks, being scared just isn’t the answer. Sometimes you just have to stand up for what is right. Shaking and quivering and worrying – that’s no way to live. Obama didn’t cause the credit crisis. But he’s the only one with a decent plan for guiding us through it. Don’t worry about your employer. He’s sounds a lot more sensible than you are right now. He’s read Obama’s tax plan and he knows Obama will help small business, not hurt them. You just keep quivering and shaking, Sucks. THere’s work to be done, but if you aren’t up to the task, I wont call you a ‘dead beat’ … just relax and let the rest of us sort this out.

Sucks: Yes, you sound scared. Unemployment is coming. You might end up joining the ranks of people you have looked down on for so long. The people you have called ‘dead beats’ and ‘lazy’. But, Sucks, being scared just isn’t the answer. Sometimes you just have to stand up for what is right. Shaking and quivering and worrying – that’s no way to live. Obama didn’t cause the credit crisis. But he’s the only one with a decent plan for guiding us through it. Don’t worry about your employer. He’s sounds a lot more sensible than you are right now. He’s read Obama’s tax plan and he knows Obama will help small business, not hurt them. You just keep quivering and shaking, Sucks. THere’s work to be done, but if you aren’t up to the task, I wont call you a ‘dead beat’ … just relax and let the rest of us sort this out.

So, after all our country has been through, by all means let us listen to a plumber. He has to be incredibly savy about world affairs? That is meant to be irony, folks.

even their Joe the Plumber
isn’t really joe the plumber the independent…
and he is about as smart as Palin
you have a decision this year like Bush Cheney
vote dumb…
or vote smart…
throw these weird lying bums out.

Please don’t bother with this guy anymore. Hopefully scare tactics will become a thing of the past after this election. Joe owes and his 15 minutes were up ages ago… enough already.

joe has obviously not the brains to remember the line
“read my lips…”
that would be the same McCain statement that GB 1 made… for the red team.

I fear for America as well. I’m fearful there are thousands of individuals such as “Joe the Plumber” who hasn’t a clue about what is happening in the U.S.. I’m fearful that thousand’s of like individuals will exercise their privilege granted to them by our great Constitution on Nov. 4, the right of selecting the leader of our nation. These thousands of “Joe the Plumbers” could hold in their hands the power to continue the U.S. on the path to it’s total destruction by exercising the right granted to them. And there are thousands. Many who will go to the poll armed with information gleaned from a media that has been biased, on both fronts. In reality, probably less than 50% of those who will vote have actually taken the time to research and understand these candidates and their proposals. Those who haven’t are the “Joe the Plumbers”, who scare me. This is certainly exhibited daily by ones posting comments on the many daily blogs such as this.

You know what, Joe the so called plumber scares the hell out of me. Doesn’t pay his taxes and expects us to believe he has the money to buy a plumbing outfit. A real dedicated americn right. He does not have the brains to judge anyone

Joe the Plumber – or bumbler or stumbler – needs to pay his taxes on time like the vast majority of Americans.

Joe the Plumber scares ME!!

Can “Joe” the fake “Plumber” speaks for the rest of the country? NO! Why is media continue to give him the exposure? Imagine if 99% of the American is like him, a tax evader, then we are doom. Please stop mentioning his name. It really makes me sick! I would rather walk along with Barack Obama in a dark alley than walking with that “Joe”. He is scary!

I pray for the unborn children of this world and for those who have lost their lives in war. I pray for the strength and courage to face our enemies and to recognize their faces. Be sure to get out and vote. Vote for American morals and for what this country really stands for. Vote for it’s strengths and not just your own pocketbooks.

This guy
ugh
it’s funny
Yes Obama acts like everyone of us…but obviously Joe did not understand Obama’s answers to questions…
that’s why he keeps trying to dis him…lol
He didn’t even know he would get a bigger tax cut under Obama…
this guy is clearly the best and brightest from the McCain campaign…
NOW that is scary for America…Joe and sarah the brains of the republican ticket
ugh.

Joe the Plumber is neither a guy named Joe nor a plumber. He is however, laughing all the way to the bank as many idiots are sending him money from all over the country to pay his back taxes. I guess he figures as long as he keeps milking his 15 minutes of fame, he may actually get enough in donations to buy that business making $250K a year. Americans can carp all day about paying taxes but where do we think our roads come from? Our public schools? Our fire, police and EMT services? etc.. etc… It’s laughable that the “rich” people here say they pay their taxes and everyone should pay their fair share. Billionaires like Warren Buffett and other rich financial analysts have pointed out frequently in the past several years that while their middle and working class employees pay about 35% of federal and state taxes (on average), they the Big Cheeses only pay taxes averaging 15-20% due to all the tax breaks Bush has given over the years to the wealthy. What is fair and equitable about that? Where’s the trickle down that’s supposed to help the rest of the country. Why do so many people buy into the complaint that the rich give more than the rest of us. Bull hockey — it’s simply not true. One last note, anyone calling anyone else a “moran” should at least learn how to spell the word that implies one is stupid — Moron!

Whatever happened to common sense in politics? The federal government was not designed to manage social affairs. It attempted to assist elderly with Medicare and social security and failed! It attempted to reform American schooling and failed! It attempted to provide welfare and again failed! Each of these “entitlement” programs is wasting millions of dollars each year. Most are projected to run out of money within 25 years and all need to be overhauled. The federal government is NOT the right solution for social problems! Do we really want to incur more tax burdens and trust the federal government with managing our health system?
Obama wants to take more of our money and redistribute it to more programs. The problem is, our existing programs are not properly funded and poorly implemented. We expect this inexperienced senator and 535 congress members to get new programs right? They couldn’t even pass an economic rescue plan without attaching more pork spending to it! We cannot manage our current Medicare, social security, education, and welfare programs – do we really want our federal government to take on more programs?
How did we ever survive in the past without federal government intervention? ? =) The best solutions for helping our poor and needy come through local charity and community and state organizations. These are focused on relief of their people and they do not suffer as much from the excessive waste and mismanagement problems ($$) of our national government.
I cannot vote for a team that throws around free-bees the way Obama is. He wants to throw more money at everything. It’s easy to make promises like that, but impossible to finance them – or to implement them in the federal government. Quit dreaming. I cannot vote for Obama.

The fact that Joe the Plumber has a tax lien should be of no import. If it were so, BO’s campaign manager should be thrown off the BO bus as well as he reportedly has a tax lien of his own.

How dare abcnews for posting something other than Obama LOVE material.

I think it’s hilarious when all the “educated” democrats on here have grammatical errors like a second grader. Stop attacking Joe the Plumber, and get to the real issues – healthcare, taxes, war, national debt, education. As Americans, we all have a right to our opinions and a right to vote. I encourage all of you to get out and actually vote this election. Choose the issues that are important to you and find the candidate whose ideals match yours. Until BOTH parties start “reaching across the aisles,” like John McCain has, we will never get out of this mess.

McCain is a much better choice,LOL,give me a break,wake up,8yrs of this bs and you seriously think that.WOW.listen to their messages,Obamas’ messages show actual, deep thought, McCain however, is only echoing the usual republican agenda, if you can get past the blaming Obama for everything, you would see that he does’nt really have a plan, the republican ideology is falling on deaf ears, folks are tired of the wealthy always geeting special treatment,help for the real average joe is coming, and its not in the form of McCain/Who? oh, Palin.LOL.

“Let’s have an honest discussion about what Joe is talking about rather than this vile attempt to destroy him.
Okay?”
Posted by: professorx | Oct 25, 2008 9:30:22 AM
How can anyone have an ‘honest’ discussion about Joe the ‘Plumber’. McCain-Palin are so desparate to talk about something in the closing days of the campaign (they have nothing to offer re: the economy) that they ignore the ‘elephant in the room’ on Joe the ‘Plumber’ and carry on raising his name at rallies like he’s a role model for Middle America. If we all followed Joe’s example, everyone would be unlicenced and lying through their teeth. The man doesn’t pay his taxes – he doesn’t care who gets in, he still wont pay them. It isn’t his issue. But it is for the rest of us.

Well, well, well. It looks as if Joe the faux plumber might be earning money from misguided Republicans who are donating it to him. Easy way to make a buck, eh Joe.

“You dumb Republicans are going to have to find a new way to do “business” because your old taxcheating ways won’t be tolerated any more.”
Posted by: True Conservative | Oct 25, 2008 9:41:53 AM
Again, what’s with the name-calling? Can’t we have a meaningful discussion that doesn’t degrade to high-school grade insults?
Businesses do not pay tax in the traditional sense (like you and me) — as I said, tax is considered a cost of doing business. Businesses compensate for increased taxes by reducing payroll and/or increasing the costs on goods and services. If a business can no longer preserve profit margin, you no longer have a business.

obama is a liar – as all politians are. he says he will only raise taxes on those making over 250,000 dollars. wrong! he will also be raising the taxes on fuel and possibly even creating a national “sales tax” including taxing internet transactions across state lines (currently not taxed). that will impact EVERYONE including those who make very little. if you think obama’s plan will somehoe get back at those supper rich guys, your wrong. they will still be rich while you will suffer even more. obama is wrong on taxes in every way imaginable….

VotedEarly: “But that’s ok i guess because those that don’t want to work will get more welfare (spreading the wealth) while you get stuck paying the bill!” No, you’ll get stuck paying the bill – you fired me, remember? And none of us will buy your products because we’ll have to watch every penny and cut back on expenditure. Then you’ll be out of a job too. And if McPalin are elected, you wont get any foodstamps because they’d rather cut welfare expenditure than take on the Big Boys and sort this mess out properly.

Joe the Plumber is as much a plumber as Sarah Palin is an “ordinary hockey mom”.

THAT,S WRIGHT ! ALL YOU RICH FOLK OUT THERE BETTER BE SCARED ! WHEN A-L-L YOU R-I-C-H FOLK MAKIN OVER A QUARTER A MILLION START HAVIN TO PAY Y-O-U-R PART OF THE TAX BURDEN, MAYBE US COMMONERS CAN AFFORD TO GO DOWN TO THE WAL-MART,AND DROP A 150(ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY, NOT ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY THOUSAND)ON A NEW WARDROBE !

Typical Obama supporters here…attack the messenger! What part of “spread the wealth around” don’t you people understand? You are advocating that we allow the US govt. to decide what to do with the money we’ve earned! Unbelievable that anyone would go along with this.

tuckar,
I don’t see how a man who glares and wouldn’t even look at his Democratic opponent can “reach across the aisles” after making all those assertions about Obama being a terrorist-sympathizer and possibly less-then patriotic. He’s alienated the more liberal voters with this, and it’s hard to work across the aisle when you anger the liberal part of the population. Obama has never made any assertions about who was more or less patriotic- in a speech in North Carolina he had said ” There are patriots who supported the Iraq War.”
McCain? “The choice on Nov 4th is either Country First or Obama First.”
“Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.”-Samuel Johnson.

Quote of the day…
“The reason the Republicans found Joe the Plumber was to find someone hanging around a toilet other than Larry Craig.”
— James Carville,

An observations: one poster (Firekitty469) claimed: “Who was Colin Powell before President Reagan appointed him Chief of Staff? An unknown.” Maybe firekitty had not heard of him, but Colin Powell was indeed very well known at that time and not just within the United States Army. And in fact it was George H.W. Bush (not Reagan) who appointed Powell Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (the correct title) in 1989 due to Powell’s distinguished record. Sadly, firekitty comes across as a racist intent on suggesting a black person of Powell’s stature could not have earned his achievements so we really shouldn’t pay attention to anything he has to say. (This is similar to Rush Limbaugh who dismissed Powell’s endorsement of Obama as skin deep – basically because Obama is black (actually bi-racial but that wouldn’t sound as good to Limbaugh’s audience). Personally, I respect Colin Powell and believe his opinions are important and meaningful.

I pay my taxes. I want Joe the Plumber to pay his.
We license doctors, nurses, dentists, teachers, hairdressers, electricians, and plumbers for a purpose. That purpose it to protect the public from incompetent scoundrels. If you want to be a plumber. Get a license. Otherwise stay out of my house.

These are supposed to be pearls of wisdom from Joe the Plumber? Probably the most dead-end story so far.
The best part of this was getting to see Mary mispell moron twice. There is comic relief to be had from all this stupidity!
Obama/Biden 2008!

morning calm,
I heard it was 13 cars?
Yeah, I don’t know where they got the “Obama is elitist” from because he:
a) Went to Harvard- the Ivy League (for the elite. Nevermind he had to work his way up)
b) Actually can pronounce nuclear as new-CLEAR, pronounce strange foreign names correctly instead of “I’m-A-Dinner-Jacket”.

The All Barack Channel(ABC) strikes again! Look at their website under “Wacky Videos” to find the Sarah Palin Look Alike Stripper Contest. Regardless of the outcome of this election…..the media and liberal women have set WOMEN BACK 50 YEARS. A successful Republican pro-life woman can’t be on a national ticket without them degrading her and calling her stupid or a fraud just because she isn’t the “right” kind of woman. Congrats! We just taught the young girls of this nation that success for women is limited to a certain type. Can you imagine the rioting in the streets if they had Michelle Obama stripper OR a Barack Obama look alike crack dealer contest?
Oh no….don’t dare smear the Messiah.

Who cares what this phony thinks? If you don’t think he is a “ringer” of McLame’s, you are in need of serious mental health care. He isn’t “joe”, he isn’t a licensed plumber, and he IS a relative of Charles Keating of the Keating 5! Oh, and he doesn’t have enough money to buy any business and would therefore benefit from Obama more than he would McLame. WAKE UP FOLKS!

TomT: Sorry Tom, I have to take exception to that other bit you said as well. “…attack the messenger!” That is truly comical. Joe the ‘plumber’ … is THE messenger??? Middle America is on its knees and … Joe the ‘plumber’ – he’s the one with the message for all of us? Now that’s so scary, it’s hilarious. I can just imagine it, as the Global Credit Crisis unfolds and more and more of us lose our jobs, maybe our homes too .. and don’t even mention health care – we never had much of that to begin with. It’s cold, we’re hungry, we’re desparate … and in runs Joe the ‘plumber’ with a message for us all! Hahaha!!! I hopes he runs into my dumpster Tom. I’d have Roast Joe the Fake Plumber for dinner that night. I’d have a skewer up Joes rear end before he got a chance to say, “don’t let anyone tax the rich folks…” JOE THE MESSENGER! What a Joke!

JOE THE PLUMBER IS THE BEST THING THAT HAPPEN TO THE OBAMA-BIDEN TEAM
Joe the Plumber, like Sarah Palin are the ‘gifts-that-keep-on-giving’ to the Obama-Biden campaign. I’m just hoping majority of the voting public are as blind as many of the McCain supporters on this commentary. Oh please let this race be over before Joe Six-Pack wakes up and realize Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin are the reason McCain is losing, and the reason Obama-Biden are sitting pretty.
GOD Bless the United States of America!
GOD Bless the Obama-Biden Leadership Team!

Spreading the wealth like Obama say’s won’t solve anything.It sounds good but that is all. If you raise any taxes they will only down size to make up losses.The answer is to stop goverment spending and cut out the garbage.Close loopholes in tax policies and cut waste will do more to help.

For those of you that owe more than 1200 dollars on your credit card you shouldnt be throwing rocks from your glass house.

Had Palin said the brain dead thinks Joe Biden has said recently….she would be banished to oblivion. Ol Joe gets away with it because he’s just being Joe.
Palin winking is not a sexist thing…the only person thinking it is sexist is you.

JG, look, Barrack and Michelle have not made IDIOTS out of themselves like McNasty Pain/lin and their chain gang. By the way, Obama happens to take his nomination for President of the United States serious. OBAMA for PRESIDENT/BIDEN for VICE PRESIDENT…

I read in the gallup polls that Obama’s support is up with the uneducated populus. Wow thats a big surprise.
McCain/Palin 2008

TomT: We silence ignorance and stupidity, Tom. Because we don’t have the time to suffer fools. People who float around in cloud cuckoo land worrying about everything that might happen while ignoring everything that is happening in front of their eyes. The economy has just fallen on us, Tom. We are in recession, so is most of Europe and Asia is teetering on the brink. This is real. It’s already hurting and it’s going to get a lot worse. We have our work cut out for us trying to stave off a National and Global Depression at this point, Tom. Joe the ‘Plumber’ is a funny guy, but we just don’t have the time for nonsense. Sorry if that offends you. But this isn’t play time. It’s serious.

Jim,
Whoa, that’s a lot of capitals there. Anyway, my issue about her not being the “right” woman is not just because of her policy positions but her inexperience. Yes, Obama has less experience then McCain, but does McCain have good judgement? Obama seems very intelligent and shows me he is a deep thinker and looks before he leaps. Sarah Palin studied journalism, was only the mayor of a small town before becoming Governor just only about 2 years ago. This in no way can be compared to Obama’s 8 years in the Illinois Senate and then the US Senate. Obama studied law and political science- the kind of stuff a president needs to know. At least he’ll know not to shred the Constitution.
His choice of Biden who is experienced says it all. Now, if Palin had shown herself to be a fast learner or intuitive at least on foreign policy, that would have been one thing. Her muddled interviews said it all. Don’t say the liberal, bias media is out to get her, if she wants to be VP, she’s going to have to deal with rogue govts too. Surely she can at least take the heat of a biased media?
I am not saying her winking itself is sexist. She can market herself that way if she wants, it is entirely her prerogative. But what I find particularly insulting was how the McCain campaign made a big fuss over the lipstick on a pig thing and cry sexism, yet they’re not above Palin using some of her feminine charm. Can they make up their mind?
She doesn’t have to fit the mould of a “liberal”. She’s gotta be experienced and show she knows her stuff. I would not be so worried about people like Condi Rice, Snowe or Kay Bailey Hutchison.

Mr. Obama will spread both the wealth and the lies.

Governor Palin and Joe the plumber have what the liberals fear most, common sense. Since liberals have no defense for common sense views on the issues, the only thing they can do is launch personal attacks on anyone who questions their screwed up socialist “ideas”.

TinyVoice: If the GOP get voted out they will rebuild. That will be the best thing for America. It is good to have choice. They look bad to you now, but within a few years, fresh blood will rise through the system and the party will come good again. I understand how you feel – but we are hardly seeing the Republican Party at its best right now. In different circumstances and with fresh, young thinkers rising through the ranks, the Republican Party can look good again. It will take a while though. At it’s best, GOP can be very good. They need to rebuild.

Indeed, these are serious times, and you are being dishonest to yourself if you don’t believe that the Democrats had more to do with us being here than the Rebuplicans, who also have fault. It was the ‘social engineering’ that began under Clinton that has led us to this point, and the protection of Dodd and Frank that allowed the problen to fester. And these are the same individuals that will be ‘counseling’ the False Prophet in the White House. Do you think things will improve!?
Why most Americans don’t see this is because the mainstream media refuses to report it. They would prefer to dwell on what Sarah Palin is wearing.

hhfarm: “Governor Palin and Joe the plumber have what the liberals fear most, common sense.” I don’t scare easily, but you are right – I think Palin and ‘Joe’ the ‘Plumber’ can look quite frightening when the moon hits at the right angle. I’ve never been frightened of common sense. I haven’t seen too much of it in evidence with either ‘Joe’ or ‘Palin’. I’ve been frightened by the lack of it from the McCain-Palin ticket.

This guy needs to crawl back into the toilet he crawled out of. He said “I’m out to stick up for the regular folks.”
Excuse me, “regular folks” pay their darn taxes. They don’t have the IRS looking for them. Hope they find you Joe, maybe McCain will pay off your back taxes for you after all, he paid you for being the joke you turned out to be so maybe you can laugh all the way to the IRS office.

I would like to know how many of you people raising H#LL over BAMA,S tax cap actually make over 200 K ? raise your hands please, lets take a count .

Joe the Planted Guy.
Ashley Todd the Liar.
Maverick the new McCarthy
anything new?
gotta love to hate those KRoveGang
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were Voting OBAMA / BIDEN 2008

1painter – it doesn’t matter whether we make that or not… I’m against socialism.

Ok, but McCain’s shifting themes, pick of Palin and running and hiding when he had a crisis doesn’t scare him. What an idiot.
I am a voter with a long history of voting Republican and I am done for this election at least. We are a long way from the Reagan Revolution

Grey Matter – not only does Obama have less experience than McCain, he has LESS experience than Palin. Actually – none of them have the right kind of experience to be President, if you come right down to it. All 4 candidates are lacking a big piece of experience. And none of the men have a security clearance as high as Palin’s.

tired of republicans Yes he has promised to do all of these.Taxing more.goverment control of health care.goverment control of insurance.How can this be control of spending.I am informed it is ashame your hate for current people won’t let you look at anything but a different party.When in 4 years you are out of work because your employer down sized who are you going to blame.Joe the plummer.His answer to energy is make auto ind. make better cars.Good luck with that.

Charity begins at home -McCain4Me can’t do what you say because that is SOCIALISM. Why should McCain4Me be punished because he/she has worked hard & been successful? Is it jealousy on your part?

TomT – we keep talking about the issues and the leadership of the Repugican’t party because these issues are pertinent to this country and our future. McCain has sold his soul to the Rovian team of Neo-Con hacks. If he just stayed true to his beliefs I think this might have been a close race. George Bush is a very legitimate topic of debate in this campaign because John McCain has tied himself to his policies. Sorry, we will continue to focus on the issues while your team focuses on false personal attacks.

I stand by my original statement that it’s astonishing how uninformed some of you are! And that’s exactly what Obama is counting on as he stumps style and personality over substance and experience. The MTV generation, at large!

Hey, Common Sense, you forgot to throw Bush into that last rant! rflmao

TomT – the MTV generation’s time is now, we have come of age and we will be leading this country for the next twenty years (if there is anything left to salvage)… It is time for you to back down, all clowns need to just go away, this is a serious time, it is time for serious work and we need serious people to do that work. The game is over. Lose with Grace.

(Sorry, I meant two years, not months.)

God help us all, Chipo! And I want Obama to win, as it opens the door for Sarah Palin to walk into the White House as the first woman president in the history of our nation. Then we’ll see real change that the ‘false prophet’ failed to deliver in his short 4 yrs in office. It’s not too late to get on the bandwagon!
Palin for President! 2012

This does not make any sense to me. Joe the plumber only makes about $40,000 a year not $250,000. Apparently the current republican plan does not benefit him and that is why he owns taxes. Now you have someone who is going to decrease his taxes and he is complaining. hmmm interesting, I have my firm opinions about this individual, however I will keep it to myself

Words have come out that Joe is considering to run for Congress in 2010. So it’s not clear whether what he says publicly now is politically motivated or not. All I can say is that he doesn’t seem to understand that even Republicans don’t dispute the progressive tax principle – increasing marginal tax rates on incomes. Obama merely wants to restore the tax rates on the top brackets back to the Pre-Bush levels. In addition, I hear a lot of people like him say “I’m scared, Obama wants to bring socialism to America.” I don’t know if they honestly believe that or just want to join in the general choir of fear-mongering. I happen to live in Sweden, a socialist country, right now, and it is according to a recent survey the second-best country to live in the world (second to Norway, a neighbor). But I can assure Joe that America is not CLOSE to becoming socialist. People here don’t mind paying high taxes. They understand that to have good public services such as schools, public transport and health care it requires everyone to make sacrifices. The bottomline is this: why isn’t it possible that some other social model can work better??

Fox news is reporting Government computers were used to get info on Joe the Plumber. No wonder the media got so much info so fast on Joe to smear him!! You can’t trust the MSM.

>> Joe isn’t smart enough to be a real plumber.
Right. He just pretends to be one.

Pippi, if you’re still there, there is a way to treat all equally under the law,and still have progressivity in the tax law. It’s called the flat tax, which at first blush sounds unfair, but every seriou proponent of the flat tax calls for a much more generous personal exemption. I favor one equal to the minimum wage, about $12,000 per person. A family of three would pay taxes on only what they earned over $36,000. But this would be treating all equally, as Jeffersonian principles call for. It taxes everybody’s DISPOSABLE income equally. Isn’t that more fair than the class-warfare “tax the rich heavier, they can afford it” ideas. Better than Joe Biden’s “it’s patriotic to pay more taxes” or Obama’s “spread the wealth around? What do you (and the rest of the bloggers) thonk??

Joe the Plumber should be SCARED! Scared of the IRS coming after him for being a tax evader! The tax break Obama is talking about WILL help him….and help him pay his BACK TAXES! Duh, get a clue Mr. Plumber!
Obama 2008!

Yes, the data bases were hummmmming, by CNN, ABC, FoxNews, AP, Reuters, uh, lets see…did I miss any of them (probably a few 100 more media outlets!!
PUBLIC data bases being accessed…now, lets, see, is that against the law?
Get a clue!
Obama 2008!

For the life of me I can not understand how this tax cheat keeps getting any air time. I don’t see why he’s so concerned with Obama’s tax plan. Obviously he makes up his own.

NEWS FLASH – The US Media in Bed With Obama Campaign!!!
Anti-GOP partiality continues in the media
Washington Times
Republican hopefuls for the White House just can’t get a break from the press – and it’s been that way for the past four election cycles.
This time around, Sen. John McCain continues to get relentless, negative coverage in news outlets both here and abroad, according to new research from several sources.
The phenomenon has not escaped the public’s notice: 70 percent of voters say the media wants Democratic Sen. Barack Obama to win the presidential election while just 9 percent said the press favored Mr. McCain, according to a Pew Research Center survey of 1,003 adults conducted Oct. 17 to 20.
Among Republican respondents, the figure was 90 percent, and even 62 percent of Democratic respondents agreed with the idea that “most journalists are pulling for Obama.”
It’s a tradition of sorts.
“In recent presidential campaigns, voters repeatedly have said they thought journalists favored the Democratic candidate over the Republican,” the survey said.

All BIG Democratic strong holds — Makes you proud doesn’t it?
Top 3 in number of homicides (and they have gun control).
As CBS 2′s Mike Puccinelli reports, the Chicago Sun-Times pointed out on Friday that Chicago has seen 426 homicides this year through Tuesday, compared with 417 in New York and 302 in Los Angeles.
I stick with guns and religion and defend myself.

TomT..Want another example of bias?? Check the abc news poll under “race”. Obama’s in trouble…only 97% of the African-Americans want him now. Yeah, it can’t be racial, they’re looking aat character. Remember MLK’s wods? “judge a person not by the color of his skin but by the content of his character” Words forgotten by his race. How can obama’s supporters claim to be anything but “judging by the color of his skin”? I’ve seen precious little character to recommend him.

shalom -
Thanks for the recommendation, but I will stay here and support you and your pals waiting for their hand outs.
I was raised by hard working parents and would not disappoint them by quitting. I’m not made that way. Obama is NOT right for this country! My opinion. I respect your constitutional right to disagree with me. DO YOU?

If the one is such a great uniter like all of his endorsers claim why has his campaign been based on dividing citizens using as many lines as possible?
Race – again and again the race card is played when the one is challenged. At any given moment every MSM outlet has an article up about race. Bill Clinton even said it in the primary. John Murtha, Jack Cafferty, bitter Americans and on and on.
Age – core campaign strategy is to portray John McCain as old and out of touch. I don’t care what the spin meisters say, McCain cleaned the one’s clock in all 3 debates. His erratic behavior is a perception created by the liberal press with an assist from the democrat party. McCain is plenty stable and plenty qualified.
Sex – the attacks on Sarah Palin’s readiness and intellect are sexist period. She is just as if not more qualified than the one. When was the last time anyone in the MSM asked the one if he was ready? or qualified? Gov Palin would not be treated this way if she were a man, no doubt.
Class – the one continues his campaign of class warfare drawing a line in the sand and saying that if you are wealthy (250K income in his opinion) you are part of the problem or some sort of criminal for working hard and getting ahead. Oh how off base this man is.
I believe his “transformative” campaign has highlighted some ugly divisions in our country and he never speaks out to condemn it.
His campaign message – if you criticize me you are a racist; John McCain is to old and “erratic” to be president; Sarah Palin is unqualified (even though she has more executive experience than he does, cough, glass ceiling; finally if you make above 250K you are too rich and you owe something to the people that make less than 250K.
I’m sure I’ll get blasted for this but this is the most “negative” campaign in modern history. He seeks to obtain the Presidency by dividing us on so many issues, making us go backward where progress has been made, and so many are too blind to see it.
This is classic Marxism. This is a sad day.

Susan-1,
I could not agree with you more! How is this tax cheat getting any attention! The media seems to think it’s ok to keep rolling with this IDIOT!
I think he is waiting for someone to offfer him a REAL licensed job! They must be waiting for him to get his plumming license!
He could not buy a business ANYWAY! His credit score must be low – or too low to even qualify for a loan at this time, due to his BACK TAXES!!!! SO, no wonder he is saying that the business opportunity is “NOW DEAD” NO ONE WILL GIVE THIS IDIOT A LOAN!!!

did anyone watch the conversation of sam and obama? it was sam that was hostile. he pushed his way through to obama and attacked obama with lies. 1. he is not going to buy a business for 250k. 2. his bosses business is not worth 250k more like 110k. 3.he doesn’t pay taxes now. 4. the progressive tax system is already in affect and the rate would go up by 3% only on money above 250K 5. only 5% of business earn more than 250K. 6. he say’s he doesn’t want governments help for anything but he doesn’t have health insurance so if he needs medical attention it would be the tax payer who pays for it. 7. i guess he doesn’t like the military, cops, roads, bridges, firemen, bank bailouts, company bailouts, aig bailouts, i guess he wants the soldiers who come home injured for life not to get disability or insurance. how about the retiree’s social security and medicare. how about fema or other help with public school’s. we could go on about spreading the wealth. what sam doesn’t understand is that if we had a flat tax we would also need a national sales tax to maintain the current level of revenue or the government could cut about 1 trillion out of the budget which would include massive military cuts. i think sam needs to go back to school and take some econ 101 courses.

You can’t trust Obama’s word.
If he wins the definition of rich will probably slide to $150,000.
But hey, then there will be more welfare available to those who won’t work.
Why work? Why have dreams? Obama and the gov’t will take care or you.
That’s his plan–millions dependent on him.

Joe the Plumber is as credible as Ashley Todd!

WHY??????????????? are we still talking about Joe the plumber he was a plant for the republicans this is sad now Joe not his first name wants to run for congress come on now this really getting out there and the best the McCain/Palin crew can come up with is im joe the plumber, im joe the plumber
well they can try to spin this man all they want to one week to go and we will see just how well Joe not his first name does at the polls

Today’s Toledo Blade reported that Joe wants to run for Congress. His business that he claimed to want to buy when out of business and he is blaming Obama saying that Obama is already putting small business out of business. What a classic. He is now going to run for Congress. The repubs of the future.

When I think of small business I think of someone with 10 or less employees. McCain shows me how out of touch he is with so many of us with his Joe the Plumber banter. I work for a non-profit, as far as I know I will receive 1 more small paycheck and then we will be working for free because we are out of funds. I’ll try to get a job at a local gas station to make ends meet. My husband just lost 25% of his retirement in his 401k. The neighbors down the street lost their home and are living in the storage shed where they used to keep their lawnmower. This is the reality of my world. Can rich McCain ever relate to what so many hard working people are losing in our economic times? To me, the Joe the Plumbers of this world can’t even relate. Posted by Dawn the Non-Profit Employee

Who is still listening to this guy? Joe the Plumber is not even a real plumber. But, you have these people who will get mad if you say anything against this guy. This guy is asking for people to say stuff about him, if he continues to want the spotlight and is giving interviews. Joe can not even keep himself out of debt or pay his own taxes…what can he tell me about what is a better economic policy.

Common sense, I tried to give you McCain supporters the benefit of the doubt. Just read your post. (you were yelling)
Help me out here bud. Fact, Obama is not handing our hard earned money to lazy people who DON’T work! Just a heads up…People who don’t work do not file taxes.
Now, either read up or move along with your INCORRCT information.

If I made $250,000 a year from my small biz, which employees 11 people, 4 I will probably need to lay off in the next few weeks, I would definitely feel successful enough to pay a higher tax rate. This country is going bankrupt and those who walk away with the big bucks should be footing the bill. They’re benefiting the most. The spread the wealth argument McCain uses is so bogus, it’s infuriating.

Joe the Plumber does not want someone elses hard earned money? Does he think the top 5% in this country get out and work hard for their money? He needs to get a clue. The middle class is fading into the sunset and the Bush tax cuts for the wealthiest has not helped the mojority of Americans at all. Have any new jobs been created? Have American incomes gone up? Are you better off right now, than you were Jan 1 2008? I got my 401K statement and I was SHOCKED to say the least. That is REAL money that was lost…my money. I am not worred about the top 5% of the richest, I am worried about my neighbors and friends and family. These people really did work hard and they deserve better.

My point is that to someone like McCain, making $250,000 a year is the poor class. How can he relate to the rest of us? I used to think our family was doing pretty well, we’ve sent two kids to college, my husband has worked for 25 years at the same job, I’ve worked for a non-profit for years & volunteered helping the poor who don’t have food on the table or heat in the winter, and we’ve never ever come close to making $250,000 a year. If McCain has his way, by the time he’s done, $250,000 will be the poor class and the rest of us will be obsolete.

He’s SCARED of someone wanting to help him and those like the rest of us struggling to get ahead? Principles, he says? This dude is NOT about his principles – he doesn’t want to PAY taxes – EVER! so how does he think bridges and roads and hospitals are paid for? how does he think the sick and elderly who didn’t make enough money can survive without social security? HE doesn’t care! It makes me sick! Joe- the-cynical- non-plumber makes me VERY sick! He’s the one I’m SCARED of!

This guy appears to have used senator Obama as a platform to launch his own political career….
How sad……
It probably will not work for him once folks see that he’s probably better at doing something else….

Why is Joe so concerned with this? Maybe he makes $250,000 a year. Oh wait a minute, the media was at his house and it looks more like it’s worth $50,000. His words speak the kind of blind, stubborn, uninformed stupidity that has plagued our nation for 8 years.

Grey Matter – Obama understands the subtle nuances of foriegn policy??? In what universe? The one where everyone sits around a campfire singing “kum-ba-yah”? The man is a socialist & wants us to be as ineffectual in the world as the European Union.

Ok, now I never want to hear about how poor Joe the plumber is being attacked … he’s chosen to inject himself into this now.

JOE THE PLUMBER — I WILL TELL YOU WHAT REALLY SCARES ME, IT’S JOHN McCAIN, WHO RUNS AROUND SINGING SONGS ABOUT BOMBING COUNTRIES!! YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE SCARES ME, IS THAT JOHN McCAIN STILL THINKS THAT IRAQ IS THE CENTRAL FRONT ON THE WAR ON TERRORISM, WHEN EVERY SINGLE MILITARY EXPERT IN THE USA, EVEN PEATRAUS SAYS THAT IT IS, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN AFGHANISTAN!! WANT TO KNOW WHAT ELSE SCARES ME JOE, IS THAT JOHN McCAIN SAID THAT U.S SOLDIERS SERVING IN AFGHANISTAN COULD JUST “MUDDLE THROUGH”, JOHN McCAIN SAID THAT WHEN HE WAS ASKED ABOUT WHY HE DID NOT SUPPORT A CALL FOR MORE SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN.
WHAT ALSO SCARES ME IS THAT JOHN McCAN HAS SHOWN THAT HE LACKS EVEN BASIC JUDGEMENT, WHEN HE PICKED SARAH PALIN, A WOMAN WHO HAS ZERO FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE TO BE HIS VICE-PRESIDENT, WHEN WE ARE CURRENTLY FIGHTING IN TWO WARS, AND JOHN McCAIN KNOWS THAT HE IS 72 YEARS OLD, AND IN DECLINING HEALTH!
WHAT ALSO SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME JOE IS THAT SARAH PALIN THINKS THAT FOREIGN POLICY EXPERIENCE IS BEING ABLE TO SEE RUSSIA FROM HER HOUSE. I AM SCARED THAT SARAH PALIN STILL DOES NOT KNOW WHAT A VICE PRESIDENT DOES? AND THAT THIS SAME SARAH PALIN MAY BECOME PRESDIENT A FEW MONTHS AFTER McCAIN WINS THE PRESIDENCY, BECAUSE McCAIN IS ALREADY IN DECLINING HEALTH RIGHT NOW, AND MAY DIE IN OFFICE, LEAVING SARAH PALIN WHO KNOWS NOTHING ABOUT FOREIGN POLICY, NOTHING ABOUT THE ECONOMY, AND NOTHING ABOUT NATONAL SECURITY TO RUN THIS COUNTRY!!!
ALL THIS PLUMBER JOE IS WHAT SCARES THE HELL OUT OF ME!!!
ON THE OTHER HAND: BARACK OBAMA AND JOE BIDEN HAVE BOTH SERVED ON THE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE. IN FACT JOE BIDEN IS ACTUALLY THE CHAIRMAN OF THE FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE, AND THIS JOE MAKES ME FEEL SECURE, MAKES ME FEEL LIKE THE COUNTRY WILL HAVE TWO PEOPLE RUNNING IT WHO ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING! AND ARE TWO PEOPLE WHO ARE EDUCATED, AND GRADUATED TOP OF THE CLASS, AND WHO WERE BOTH PROFESSORS WHO TAUGHT CONSTITUTIONAL LAW, SO THEY KNOW AND RESPECT THE CONSTITUTION OF THIS COUNTRY!
BARACK OBAMA, AND JOE BIDEN MAKE ME FEEL QUITE SECURE THAT THIS COUNTRY WILL HAVE TWO SMART, EDUCATED PEOPLE RUNNING IT!!

oh the sheep…

Has anyone noticed that Obama is a white man? He was raised by a white mother and a white grandmother in Hawaii, a fully integrated state with folks from all nationalities and race. He’s pretending he is a black man, but he knows nothing about being black on the mainland in America, except what gives him political gain. He lied on his application to Yale to say that he was a black man. Let’s judge him as he is … as a highly ambitious white man who will do anything to reach his goals.

Joe the Plumber is Joe the Idiot. This man is so principled he is not even a real plumber and owes back taxes….These are the people McCain wants as the centerpiece for his campaign?

From Drudge Report:
Government computers used to find information on Joe the Plumber.
And this statement pretty much sums it up:
“It’s outrageous to see how quickly Barack Obama’s allies would abuse government power in an attempt to smear a private citizen who dared to ask a legitimate question,” he said.
This is just a taste of what will happen to you if you should disagree with the great one!

Filtering through all the comments just shows one thing..this country will never be united. The racial divide grows deeper everyday. Racism has become the “poster word” for socialism. Blacks AND whites will be “spreading the wealth”. All the strives made by both races will be for 0. It won’t pay to climb the corporate ladder, it won’t pay to get a good education, it wont’ pay to own your own small business. Politicians lifestyle won’t change. It will be you and me that will become “grey” in color and our individual rights blended “for the common good”..Thats such bulls—!! Hatred is a terrible thing especially in the name of “freedom”

When was the last time a poor person hired you?
If you penalize all the small business they go out of business and you lose your job! It’s very simple, you don’t need a degree to figure it out do you?

Honestly, how many Joes were given exposure in the media so much? I am a REAL average American and why don’t I get the same exposure in the media? The trash coming out of this fake average American Joe doesn’t represent the views of average Americans. So, sc*w him and his views.

This comment is for Dems, you want to talk about years of political experience, well then lets compare McCain’s almost thirty years of experience to Obama’s close to ten years experience. As for only an idiot would vote for McCain then I guess half of the voter’s in America are idiot’s and I’m proud to say that I’m one of them. Oh and by the way Obama was a lawyer, shouldn’t that say it all.

When was the last time a poor person hired you?
If you penalize all the small business they go out of business and you lose your job! It’s very simple, you don’t need a degree to figure it out do you?
Posted by: BB | Oct 25, 2008 3:37:40 PM
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And if you give more money to the middle they spend more and it creates jobs. Take that last stimulus check that was given out so those getting them would pump them right back into the economy. We made too much money and didn’t get one. Hmmmmmmm. Obviously at that point they felt the little people needed more to spend. But now we’re back to this?

Let me end my recession story with this…
The small business wood salesman stopped to take a test one day for a job with the State. My husband, who was with him working, had time so he took the same test. My husband got the job, worked his way up the ladder by going to college at night and he is still working there in a higher position 25 years later. The daughter I was pregnant with at the time graduated from U of I with a Legal Studies degree and is working her way through college, eventually to be a lawyer while working for a law firm in St. Louis. None of us make even close to $250,000 a year, but we sure give our share to charities and churches. Wes, the man with the small business of selling wood, who took advantage of my husband by paying him $10 a day for 14-16 hours of chopping and selling wood when we were desperate for any money, well I imagine he’s wringing his hands right now waiting for the economy to get bad enough again that he can con people into working under the table for him for only a few dollars a day.
Poor people may not employ, but they will work for next to nothing when they have nothing else to lose. And the rich take advantage. But God or Karma, or the Universe, whoever you want to attribute it to, well sometimes you get what’s coming to you. Don’t let your greed stop you from caring about others. I still cannot even relate to the Joe’s of this world, but when I think of them during times like these, I think of the Wes’s of this world.

The following post made so much sense, it’s worth reading again:
Thank you….
Each and every time I pay taxes my wealth is being redistributed. Therefore, it is ignorant to say otherwise. The only way wealth is not redistributed is for no one to pay taxes and each person to voluntarily give as they see fit. Now God asks for ten percent from each person. Yet even God has a difficult time getting people to give ten percent. Hence, do you think people will voluntarily provide for the poor, the homeless, the sick, or build the schools, the roads, or provide for the military, or etc etc etc. No. Most of us will hoard the wealth for ourselves. Think. We have just seen a manifestation of greed in our society with Wallstreet. The more people get the more people want. Therefore, please be quiet about not wanting a redistribution of wealth. To whom much is given much is required. The more you give the more your receive. Therefore, what if I have to pay a more taxes? It is only fair that taxes are based on my earnings. Remember when Jesus met the poor woman who put in a penny and he said she had given more than all who had given out of their wealth. Why? Because the value of how much one given it not depended upon the amount but one how much one has before the giving commence. A Christian who supports Obama.
Posted by: A Christian conservative | Oct 25, 2008 3:38:10 PM

The plumber is plumb dumb.
He can’t be a good plumber.
He owes the IRS back taxes.
He gets a tax break under
Obama’s plan. The idiot
doesn’t know what he’s
talking about.

Each and every time I pay taxes my wealth is being redistributed
You are partially correct. Tax dollars are for projects that benefit all citizens. Infrastructure, national defense, etc. Nobody is trying to change that.
In our country we have a system of progressive taxation. That means that the more you make the more you pay as a percentage of your salary. Nobody is trying to change that.
Where people have a problem with “spread the wealth” is where a politician decrees that 250K=wealthy and he his therefore going to confiscate an even larger percentage of the hard earned money of those that make more than 250K and redistribute it to those that make less because that is, in his opinion, fair.
It’s not constitutional.

Hey TJ if we are going to bring up stupid things McCain said then it’s only fair to mention that Obama thinks there are 57 states in the USA.

Ha Ha….like intelligent hard working, tax paying Americans care what this LOSER thinks. He’s just another red neck (like Palin) who’s trying to get their 30 seconds of fame. HE is not even a licensed plumber or doesnt pay taxes and so he shouldnt be concerned about making $250,000 since he’ll never see that much money in his LIFE. This moron doesnt represent real Americans. Real Americans pay their taxes and see beyond political ploys….if he’s so concerned about real issues why is he trying to ink a book deal and run for some higher office (what a joke)? He surely doesnt represent ME! This guy is just another prop put into place by McCain…this guy isn’t even REAL! This is just another prop, just like that idiot who accused some “black” Obama supporter of attacking her. What if the truth hadnt come out? This JUST proves how the McMoron campaign is playing on hillbilly and racist fears in this country by setting up paid props. I bet they also paid Acorn workers to say they were involved in registration fraud. Thank goodness that after Nov. 4th, this joke of a campaign will be over and Obama can start focusing on the real issues.

Is it true that the Repubs have taken up a collection for this guy to pay off his taxes and have gotten him a license?

Can someone please tell me what the “average American” actually is? Or who a “real American” is? Seriously? Isn’t divorce the norm now, with more people divorced then married. So are divorced people “the real American” Aren’t there more Hispanic babies being born here then WASP children? So does that make them “more American”
Is that what Palin meant? Somehow I doubt it….. But if there are more of them, and if thats the norm then isn’t that the average American?
I’m 24,I am a WASP, and female. grew up in rural NJ (yes that does exist) From what I consider a typical small town. Funny, my father is actually a plumber with a college degree and owns his on business. Who has said many times in the past week or so that he is not “Joe the Plumber”. My mom is a nurse, so two service jobs. my parents are still together, one sister. Dinner was the most important time of anyones day growing up. And skipping dinner with the family was not an option? Any major family decision was made around the kitchen table. Went to college, then on to grad. school. Now live in a major city (Phila) working 5 part time jobs, while I try to find a real one in my field. I don’t have health insurance, and struggle with student loans. New Jersey jokes aside but does that make me “not a real American”
Am I less of an American then another girl my age from some midwest town, who got married out of high school and now has 2 kids? Or even from a girl in the Midwest who also has a graduate degree? Just because I live in a big East Coast city, and had parents that saw the “American Dream” as making it possible for their kids to go not only to college, but also to graduate school” In no way am I an elitist.
and I honestly think that in at least the next decade, but prob. from now on America needs to be made up of more “Americans” like me. Those who have the education, and knowledge of World Politics to help bring America back to what it needs to be. Obama is right, CHANGE is needed and its not needed Nov. 4th, its needed RIGHT NOW!
To me, “Joe the Plumber” is not what I want the world view to be of America. He makes us look simple and uneducated. Kind of like some other people that are out there speaking about “real and patriotic America”
America ranks too low in math and science test scores compared to the rest of the World. Not to add that other countries view us as arrogant and ignorant.
As part of the of this new generation I really feel like it is time to look toward the future and to focus on that. McCain I think said in Michigan during the Primary that the “factory jobs aren’t coming back” And honestly I’m not sure we should be trying to get them back. It sucks I know, not just for the steel and auto factories in the midwest but also for the ones in Delaware and other East Coast states that have shut down. But for America to remain any kind of power in the World. The focus needs to be on educating the next generation. Promoting college in rural areas, providing money for students to go to college and grad. school. Getting programs set up for those kids that college isn’t an option. Fixing the mistake that was “No Child Left Behind” which left every American child behind compared to the rest of the World.
I went to a university with a large international student population. And those kids kicked my butt and my fellow American students butts in engineering, computer science, and the pharmacy depts. The next President and Congress needs to make Education their 1ST PRIORITY in my opinion for if they don’t they are doing a MAJOR disservice to every American, “real” or not!
For if they don’t change things soon I feel the next generation will just be filled with “real Americans” like “Joe the Plumbers” and that is not OK with me.
“Joe” should not be getting air time, he should not be giving stump speeches or signing autographs. This made should not be represented as an “American hero” He is not. What has he done, seriously. Misrepresneted himself as something he is not to get air time? He skipped out on his taxes, is not a licensed plumber and Joe isn’t even his real name. He is a FRAUD but yet he is “real America”

Joe the Plumber says he doesn’t want to take anyone else’s hard earned money. Yet, a radio station in Oregon had a promotion to raise money to help Joe the Plumber pay his back taxes with some $ left over. I’ll bet he accepted that money that was earned by someone else. He is such a hypocrite and he’s not too bright either. He also lied about who he really is. Why doesn’t he just admit that he’s a Repub and that’s why he isn’t supporting Obama. It really has nothing to do with the tax issue, since he doesn’t understand how it works it spite of the fact that people have tried to educate him on this. He doesn’t get the fact that he is being made a fool of . . . DUH.

Robin Hood,
You are spot on. In fact, many of BO’s supporters state that he is the new Robin Hood. I find that a laugh. Robin stole from King Richard and his cronies according to the legend because they stole from the people through usurious taxation!!! That is what BO is going to lead us to. Funny BO Koolaid drinkers. Dream on.

1. Stop the Obama anti-Amierican jibberish. He was born here, has lived in some of he bigger American cities and if he hated this country he would never have run for any office. He has the smarts and skills to live elsewhere. No wonder the rest of the world looks down on us when GOP idiots elects GOP idiots to run this country.
2. Why is Joe scared of Obama? If he was so scared then why even talk to him? Why allow yourself to go on TV day after day? Joe is a small town nlicensed plumber who can’t pay his taxes and is unlikely to earn enough money to buy that business or smart enough to run it.

What a great, patriotic american joe the plumber is. He can afford a $250,000 business but doesn’t think he should have to pay taxes because they contribute to socialist programs like the national defense, police and fire services, roads, and social security.

Spread the wealth. There, I just said it, and I am no socialist. The whole idea of Republican deregulation, is that they were supposed to share the wealth with the middle class , the people who make their companies work(trickle down economics?). We are the ones who allow the “Golden Parachutes” by voting for McCain.
I have no problem with the government stepping in to enforce what should have been given freely. Shame on you wealthy conservatives for selling out your employees for cash, and then trying to make them look like unpatriotic communists.
Without all of the hard working middle class, you would have nothing. Time to take OUR money BACK, and get rid of selfish business owners and executives.
OBAMA-BIDEN 08

Joe needs to be scared of the back taxes he owes.That coupled with he told an outright lie about making 250K+.Did I forget to mention he’s not even registered to vote.

I might be more sympathetic toward him if he weren’t a plant–related by marriage to Keating.

What makes this guy so special as to be an expert on this election? He doesn’t even understand the current tax code enough to pay his current taxes. This is SUCH a diversion from what needs to be addressed.

FOLKS, THIS ISSUE IS THE WHOLE BALLGAME. THIS ISSUE IS THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE U.S. AND THE REST OF THE WORLD.
WITHOUT INCENTIVE, PEOPLE DO NOT WORK. IF THE INCENTIVE IS TOTALLY REMOVED, WE’LL ALL STARVE.

OK, 1 MORE:
FOLKS, THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. IT IS A 600 MILLION DOLLAR CON

It is absolutely ridiculous the amount of press this guy is getting and that the media values his opinion so much. You need to go out and interview every person in the country and treat them with as much interest, seriously.
‘I’ don’t agree with this guy and my opinion is at least as valuable as his. There is nothing special about this guy and I wish the media would get over him and move on.

I’m so tired of hearing grown people say they’re “scared”. It’s embarrassing. People need to get their priorities straight. Americans have reduced their entire reason for living to nothing more than money, house, and cars. If their money, house, or car is lost, then they want to commit suicide. This is pathetic! This must look ridiculous to the rest of the world. Stop trusting in “things” America, and start trusting in the One who made all things.

No More Fear – Boo Hoo! You’re tired of people saying they are scared. So, you want them to lie & say it’s okay for Obama to force socialism on us? Everyone here has the right to free speech – at least for the time being. We’ve already seen what happens when you dare question Obama/Biden.

BO’s tax policy would be akin to a toll on a bridge charging rich people $1000 to cross, the middle class $5 and those with very little nothing. They’re all using the same bridge. Quite fair, eh libs?

The play on words is amazing. This guy gets on TV and McCain expliots him and makes him apart of his campaign. He cont. to blame Obama for everything from the housing crisis to Joe the Plumber being famous. McCain loses because he ran a horrible campaign. The total focus of his campaign has been trying to speak on Obama and no issues. He tried to cont. the repubs main theme, Dems will tax you. Therefore he loses because he has no new ideas.
We all pay a more dispaportionate amount of taxes compared to the rich. This country takes more of middle income americans than the rich by percentage. Ask Warren Buffet, he admitted so. How average americans can sit back and take up for the rich is amazing. Raising their taxes won’t break them and those who’re defending them will never reach their status. They love you because you love your position.

“Joe the plummer” represents a situation that most working class American could face.
As usual, the libs misses the point and attacking the man.

Me- WHY should people who make over $250,000 be taxed more than they already are? Why should we bring our standard of living down to the rest of the world? They should be striving to reach ours. But, hey, that’s right.. they live in societies where everything is taken care of for them & they don’t have to take any responsibility for themselves -but we’re supposed to give up our work ethic to make them happy. And Americans are NOT greedy. How many millions of dollars do we give other countries EVERY year & not expect one dime of it to be paid back? Maybe we should be greedy & stop supporting the rest of the world – but then we’d be the “bad” guys yet again. If we help, we’re the “bad” guys… if we don’t help, we’re the “bad” guys. All because of jealousy.

I think it is interesting that the republicans are calling barack a socialist…I am a true independent and I see the current administration buying all the banks…that seems like communism…the GOP always has a buzz word…This will be my first time to vote democrat for president…I voted early…and I am pretty excited with the projected out come…

The comments made herein make me sad .. not because I agree with them, and certainly not because I disagree with them. The reason for my sadness is that 95% of Americans know nothing about the American political machine and who actually makes the laws in America. I guess you were all asleep in class that day! Sad, very sad.
Allow me to educate you .. this is what you missed that day and/or week.
CONGRESS MAKES THE LAWS IN THE UNITED STATES, NOT THE PRESIDENT! In a nutshell, Congress is responsible for the laws that you and I live under in the United States! That right there is who you should be blaming for the current state of the United States. Congress is primarily Democrat-controlled. Think about this and read it several times if you have to to understand it.
To make matters worse, you people claim to want change?!? Are you serious? Do you really want the kind of change that Barrack “Hussein” Obama is going to bring? Do you really want a complete Democrat-controlled Congress? Think hard about this, and allow me to tell you why this is NOT a good idea .. OBAMA, PELOSI, AND REID!
Read everything you can get your hands on about this trio in the next few days and understand what will happen. As a fellow American who loves and is quite proud of the United States, I am begging you to do your homework before you go into that voting booth and cast your vote. Please, for yourself and America .. do this!
In closing, I would like to cite the three (3) biggest lies (and there are hundreds of them about Barrack “Hussein” Obama …
Obama Lie No. 1 – I will tax just the rich.
There is no such thing as a tax on just the rich. Taxes on wealthy people affect everyone.
Remember, Obama defines anyone making over $90,000 a year as “rich.”
Joe the plumber discovered that Obama thinks Joe’s rich too. Under Obama, he won’t be able to hire new employees and grow his business.
Joe’s not alone. Obama says he’ll strip away the FICA cap at $90,000 for every worker. That means every dollar you earn over that amount, you’ll pay 7 percent!
Obama Lie No. 2 – I want to give a tax cut to the middle class.
Baloney!
Obama says he will let the Bush tax cuts expire. That’s an automatic 5 percent (maximum) tax increase on almost all taxpayers.
Plus middle class folks pay capital gains taxes. Obama has said he wants to almost double them from a low of 15 percent to almost 30 percent.
He wants to hike the dividend tax, and he also has promised taxes on gas and energy.
Obama also wants to dramatically increase the estate tax, which had almost disappeared. There goes your idea of sharing your wealth with your kids in the future.
Obama Lie No. 3 – I want to make America more secure.
Another outright lie.
In an age when crazies like Iran’s Ahmadinejad are building ballistic missiles and promise to “destroy” the United States and Israel, Obama has promised to gut the missile defense program created by President Reagan.
“I will cut investments in unproven missile defense systems,” Obama said.
He has promised to cut “tens of billions” of dollars from the Defense Department. In an effort to make us more “secure,” Obama plans to disarm us.
In the age of 9/11, can we afford such a radical Leftist in the White House?
No, we can’t.
The saddest information I ever received in an email was from a reporter in London .. London! .. giving accolades to President George Bush for his fight on terror .. a job he is winning! Why did we not see this in a single American newspaper? I find this quite interesting. You should too!
STOP BLAMING BUSH FOR THE STATE OF THE ECONOMY AND PUT THE BLAME WHERE IT BELONGS .. THE U.S. CONGRESS!!!
A Seriously Worried and Concerned American