Let the Wild Charges Begin: McCain Campaign Insinuates Joe the Plumber’s Private Records Were Illegally Breached as “Political Retribution” by the Obama Campaign, Compares it to Watergate

With an obama administration we will become a police state.

Guiliani was giggling? Was he wearing one of his dresses again?
BTW isn’t the GOP the party that supports the government spying on all American citizens?

Please. The McCain campaign didn’t vet Joe the Plumber beforehand; they probably tried to vet him afterwards.
And really, Obama didn’t seek retribution for a question answered–they’re trying to make him sound like Stalin; McCain made Joe a star.
The claim should be: The Republicans shouldn’t use a man on the street just because he asked a question, use him and destroy him, for the purpose of a campaign. I’d feel sorry for Joe, but he’s lapping this up.

“you never know”…
so they get Giuliani out of his dress, into a suit, and put him up front to insinuate that Obama has anything to do with it???
Because “you never know”…?
How about that? Incredible. The McCain campaign is a campaign of thugs.
And Jake, you have no comment?

not only is McCain going to lose – he is allowing his campaign to shatter his integrity
At some point will McCain care that this is how he is closing out his political career?
Rudy Giuliani?
He’s just mad Michael Bloomberg will get a third term now and after 9/11 he couldn’t get a third term

Hey Guiliani?? While your checking this out on Joe the Plumber, could you also check out Barney Frank and Chris Dodd?

This is getting REALLY ridiculous.

I think the GOP has lost it big time…lol. The good ones have started jumping ship already. McCain and his goons are pathetic.

This all makes sense now. Put Joe the Plumber in as a plant. Pretend Obama’s campaign accessed his records and try to raise a big stink about it.

I think the McCain campaign has really gone INSANE.

Dumb question but why is Guliani involved if this happened in Ohio?

And again:
We have no proof of anything, but what if…….
IS THIS ALL THE McCAIN CAMPAIGN CAN DO?
I swear, how many inuendos and unsubstatiated accusations can they come up with?
Which guy thrust this lying plumber into the spotlight in the first place? Who referred to him 21 times a nationally televised Presidential debate?
Giuliani is a sleazebag. The entire McCain campiagn is a sleeze factory.
McCain has sold himself and lost all credibility and every ounce of self repect.

Remember that Giuliani is the one who released security guard Patrick Dorismond’s sealed juvenile record after he was shot to death by an off-duty NYC police officer.
Glass houses and all…

Isn’t it fascinating that Jake & Co. were so busy investigating Sarah Palin’s dumpster that they failed to discover the “Vote At Home” voter fraud committed in Ohio?
That it was through a group of undergraduate students that the fraud was discovered.
Jake, your condescension is only surpassed by your ObamACORN bias.

Captain,
First of all, that wasn’t voter fraud. Secondly, the authorities concluded they made an honest mistake based on incomplete information on the State of Ohio’s website.
Finally, has the media covered the real voter fraud by the Republican outfit in California? I remember a brief mention somewhere, but considering the fact that actual charges have been brought in that case it ought to be major news.

Hey, at least he got vetted. More than I can say about McCain’s running mate

cannot wait to watch Obama and Biden mop the floor with McCain and the talking Parrot on Nov 4th!
Posted by: Obama/Biden – the only positive choice! | Oct 25, 2008 7:05:24 PM
I second that motion.

Really Jake …memories are short…Don’t we have some red faces from the reporting done this weekend from Pittsburgh? It’s one thing to report an investigation but to allow Rudy an opening to smear the Obama campaign…well it smacks of bias and poor reporting. Shame on you and ABC.

I am certain that Obama has his “Truth Squad” of police officers and prosecutors in Ohio just like he does in Missouri.
I wouldn’t doubt that was who accessed the state information in Ohio to dig up the dirt on Joe.
Paranoid? You go right ahead and think so.
I have no doubt this was the work either directly or indirectly of the Obama campaign and/or his supporters.

The plumber gets a tax
break under Obama’s plan.
He makes about 15 percent
of 250K per year. Besides
he owes the IRS back taxes.
He should first pay what
he owes the govt before
talking about buying a
business that grosses over
250K.
The plumber is a blowhard,
a phony.

Concerned,
While they were living there, they were only ineligible to register in Ohio because they did not intend to make it their long-term residence. They fulfilled the criteria of living in Ohio for over 30 days prior to the registration date.
If it was up to me, I would grant them the ability to register there. The most important thing is where you are going to be on election day. Now they are forced to vote in their former home states by absentee ballot instead.
This very vague and arbitrary requirement discriminates against people who move more often than normal.

This from the GOP whose president has put 10,000 Americans on the Terrorist Watch List, among them active and retired military personnel, congressmen, civil rights activists, and “wait for it” even children!

Blue,
Its really projection on the part of the Republicans. Since they really believe that everyone is as hateful and crooked as they are, they wont take any other explanation.

You are on fire for the GOP today Jake. I guess this is another example of the media laying down for Obama… LOL.
Let’s see the media has seriously investigated such hits as “he is a muslim”, “he isn’t a citizen”, “he is a terrorist”, “he is a radical black man in a radical black church” and now “he is trying to get back at joe the plumber”. And yet the tripe patrol on this blog is still insisting that the media has been overly generous to Obama.
What a joke.

Yeah, you Obamabots as well as your Messiah would love to have everyone “shut up about ACORN.”
Obama wants that to occur so badly that his campaign is now attempting to use its influence to have the Federal investigation into the ACORN fraud postponed until after the election.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 25, 2008 7:12:06 PM
Look up Young Political Majors.

NEWS FLASH MCCAIN CAMPAIGN MAKES ANOTHER FALSE ACCUSATION…
WHATS NEW!!
“I don’t know if this came from the Obama campaign or not”
BUT HE WILL PUT IT OUT THERE ANYWAY!
THE REPUBLICAN PARTY OF 2008 WORST PEOPLE EVER!

Concerned in OH
after Obama wins, what country are you moving to?

Are we tomorrow going to be reading about this being a fraud like the Pittsburgh campaign workers trumped up attack?
Looks like the repubs are going to go all out in their attacks to “Smear and Fear” this last week.
You have NO shame McCain, NO shame.

Giuliani is a colossal
loser. He spent some
60 million dollars
during the Republican
primaries and did not
win a single delegate.

What a strange symmetry. Nixon’s plumbers used illegal means to determine the source of classified material leaks by individuals opposed to the war in Vietnam. Fast forward 35 years and we have fanatics opposed to the war in Iraq using similar illegal means to discredit a plumber who voiced his opposition to the policies of a tax and spend liberal. How are the people who invaded Joe the Plumbers privacy any different than Nixon’s plumbers?

ACORN is not the only problem in voting. In California a man who is paid $5 per registration was arrested for voter fraud. He had ties to a McCain staffer. Why isn’t anyone talking about that, when thay talk about ACORN. Not one ACORN employee has ben arrested. ACORN hires people to get people registered. They have to turn in all the registration papers. I am sure, it being funded by the goverment, each sheet is numbered. These papers are then put in piles and presorted. They know some people only do the registrations for money, so they sort good and bad registrations. These registered voters were never going to show up at the polls. I am not saying it is a good system and something needs to be done about it. But, that has little to do with Obama. Any good intentioned program can go bad. One example would be the $700 Billion Dollar Bail Out and banks using some that money to pay bonuses. Is that good? Is that what the money is suppose to be used for? That is an example of a well intentioned program going bad.

Call us when Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny votes on Nov 4th…then we can talk about “voter fraud” and not “registration fraud” and ACORN.

Jake, and you post this “you never know…” argument and accusation without any comment?!
if you concerned about bias in the media, concerned about the quality and dignity of jounalism, I ask you:
what sort of journalism IS this?

I think the Republicans did it to have something to make an issue out of. This is simply another Republican set, just as Joe the Plumber has been from the beginning. Ashley Todd was also a Republican set up and I believe McCain and Giuliani were involved, this is the deceitful type of operation they are known for. Also there is Giulianis palling aroung with and hiring known criminals, even had them as business partners.

Concerned in Ohio
another lie bites the dust…
‘The activist judiciary once again thumbs its nose at the grand conservative movement:
The order and memorandum came down at approximately 6:15 p.m. on Friday. Philip Berg’s lawsuit challenging Illinois Sen. Barack Obama’s constitutional eligibility to serve as president of the United States had been dismissed by the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick on grounds that the Philadelphia attorney and former Deputy Attorney General for the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania lacked standing.
Surrick, it seemed, was not satisfied with the nature of evidence provided by Berg to support his allegations.’

May I ask why certain bloggers have written that the Obama team has broken the law?
The McCain team did not make a direct accusation and refuses to provide proof that anyone has broken the law.
Talk about slander and arrogance!
Talk of police states!
No one at team Obama would waste their time looking into Joe the Plumber let alone break the law for something so trivial.
I agree with the writer who said the McCain team has gone insane and so have some of Jake’s readers.

I have no idea who did what, and I suspect it was yet another case of curious employees.
Now if I were Joe’s ex-wife, and he had claimed claimed in court he only made $60,000, and then I see him on TV talking about making over $250,000…I’d be looking for some answers.
I’m just sayin’….

Giuliani and McCain, the
Republican losers, should
tell Joe the Plumber to
pay back taxes he owes.
The plumber is stiffing
the government.

Concerned in OH
if you are representative of those from Ohio, who would want to be go there let alone live there….

The GOP has turned this election into the strangest reality tv show type event, shame on you. When does it stop?
Jake–I’d love to understand your rationale for “running with this story”. It is pretty wildly accusatory and not limited to the topic of Joe’s record. As soon as Guiliani begins speaking he throws in voter fraud, ACORN, then finally gets to record access…honestly, I quit listening because it was clear to me this was yet another attack and not about regard for personal records.
I guess putting it on a “blog” absolves you from any media responsibility. If it’s a TRUE story investigate it and report back. As it is, you seem willing to be a megaphone (with some cringing noted) but with no accountability or responsibility.
At home, my preference would be for the GOP to find some non-MSM blog to post this on, not ABC.

Wild and woolly final days of the campaign. Does the McCain campaign really expect voters to buy this and then actually take it into consideration when voting?

Plenty of people have jobs which gives them access to priviledged information. Whether or not someone abuses their position by accessing that information without justification is the real issue. However, it is very easy to track, because everyone has to use their login information. So, they know who did it, what they don’t know is why…simply curiousity, as in the Passport issue…..or an ulterior motive. As far as I’m concerned, the McCain campaign seems to have more of an interest in Joe the Plumber than anyone else…..maybe they finally decided to vet someone other than Obama!

Concerned,
So if I’m living in Ohio, and I intend on moving somewhere else, then I am not allowed to vote in Ohio. Where can I vote then? It would be illegal to register in some place I haven’t lived yet, and illegal to vote in someplace that I no longer lived. If it was up to you, I would have no right to vote.
Simple.

This can be tracked, because if you break into a database…your computer will leave “footprints” that can be traced right back the computer that did it. Amazing what technology can do these days. How do you think they found out who hacked Obama and McCain passports. This is just a reason for Guiliani to come out of the backroom and make a crazy statement about Obama.

While Obama and Biden spend the campaign talking about the issues America faces McCain and co spend the campaign talking about a fake plumber WHO WOULD BE BETTER OFF UNDER OBAMA and fake attack victims!
I want change…
Obama 08

Arizona records were searched too, showing Joe lost his driving license.But we still are not sure if his grandfather is McCain’s S&L criminal Charles Keating. Hopefully we will learn more when Joe runs for Congress on the FoxNews ticket.

Guiliani has an extensive collection of knee-pads. They’ve all been used extensively in the service of one John McCain.

Maybe Joe can fix the kitchen sink the Repubs just threw out. Talk about desperate. It’s over folks.

Hmmmm, ACORN said they had registered 1.3 new voters. When the heat got turned up on them, that claim “dropped” to 450,000.
Seems like those ACORN workers have been burning a lot of midnight oil…
:>
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony, 1872
Posted by: LeeLee-07 | Oct 25, 2008 7:44:11 PM
What about the GOP fraud. I notice you didn’t comment on that.

”Nobody cares about the birth certificate either. Why have the lawsuits that have already been brought to court been dismissed? This isn’t the only one.”
Maybe you don’t care, but Hawaii(where Obama was supposedly born), Washington, California, New York, Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Connecticut do.
The better question is – Why do eight states feel they have legitimate grounds to bring the issue to court?
Perhaps you might want to email them and tell them no one cares.
ROFLMAO!
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony, 1872

No fair. You report the story but don’t tell us what they found out!

4 88
If you are right and you might just be…isn’t it pretty lame that the McCain camp has to dive head first into this type of stuff? There are real issues that could be discussed and mulled over and here we are discussing Poor Joey The Plumber Not Really’s problems. ;-)

THe Democratic AG already “cleared” themselves, and im sure any records of the individuals who did this are being destroyed right now. Especially the emails to the Obama campaign with the tax lien and Natural Law PArty link.
Which reminds me, why is it more important to America to know that one time Joe the Plumber registered with the Natural Law Party than anyone in America to know that Obama ran as a New Party member and won his first seat in 1996 as a New Party Member?

Could this be tied in with Palin’s e-mail being hacked? I haven’t heard any recent updates on that story.

JG
why is it you are the only ones who care ?

“The one filed by BERG was in Pa. It was dismissed. And no, we in PA don’t care about it only pathetic little GOP bots who don’t care to discuss real issues.”
Okay, lol. That makes seven (7)REAL issues. There are some additional rumblings out there but nothing concrete. However, I think seven (7!) is enough! Don’t you??? :D
Oh, my bad! I forgot, you don’t care – but yet, you keep answering. Strange…
PUMA! McCain/Palin 2008 – In lieu of Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton.
“No self respecting woman should wish or work for the success of a party which ignores her sex.” – Susan B. Anthony, 1872

Public Record:
- The fact that Joe “The Fake Plumber” does not have a plumber’s license
- The fact that Joe “The Fake Plumber” owes back taxes to the state of Ohio
- The fact that Joe “The Fake Plumber” has had liens placed on his property
- The fact that Joe “The Fake Plumber” contributed to the Bush/McCain/Palin campaign

Did everyone forget that on debate night it was John McCain who brought up this “Joe the Plumber” guy in the 1st place, and KEPT on saying his name over and over???? If anything, it is McCain’s fault for the troubles this “Joe” is having….. Lets place balme where blame is due!!!

I T W A S M C C A I N WHO BROUGHT JOE INTO THE SPOTLIGHT!!!!!
MCCAIN WHO MADE HIM THE FOCUS OF THE DEBATE!!!!
MCCAIN!!! NOT OBAMA!!!!
THIS IS ABSURD!!!

Guliani is as corrupt as the rest of the GOP. Remember, he is the one that vouched for his good friend who was suppose to be the director of homeland security. Also, McCain is the one that relentlessly brought the plumber into the spotlight. Obama spoke to the man like he with the other people on that block and moved on. Don’t blame the Democrats, blame the Republicans for making him a puppet and as a result the media gets curious and Joe the Joke of a Plumber comes to fruition.

Illigal immigrant farm worked have NO RIGHT TO VOTE.
They need to follow the law to become citizens instead of breaking it.

MM
FOX NEWS HAD “JOE THE PLUBER” BOOKED ON HUCKABEE BEFORE THE DEBATE..
SAM “JOE THE PLUMBER” WORK ON HUCKABEES CAMPAIGN!
SAM ALSO LIVED DOWN THE ROAD FROM PALIN IN ALASKA BEFORE SHE BECAME SOMEONE IN ALASKA.
AND YES YOU ARE RIGHT MCCAIN MADE HIM AN ISSUE MCCAIN DID BRING HIM UP AND HASNT LET UP ON HIM…EVEN AFTER WE ALL KNOW HE WOULD BE BETTER OFF UNDER OBAMA!

Concerned in OH
No their illegal immigrants hired by the 1% because they want to keep cost down and make money. College students don’t necessarily have permanent addresses. Some people work and live in their cars, I understand you live in a glass house but wow.

Concerned in OH
Fake registrations don’t steal elections. Faulty Booths do, and everybody knows that fault voting machines always seem to favor republicans. Take it from the head of McCain’s voting fraud task force: “Has the amount of people voting increase, the chance of winning decreases.”

Now this one makes me laugh. I am actually feeling sorry for the McCain camp, they continue to make fools out of themselves—
Voted for Obama/Biden-
Do you seriously want these kind of people running the government. It is scary-Instead of the Good Fellas the McCain chumps are acting like the Insane Fellas=

Yeah, accessing some unlicensed plumber’s records is like Watergate. Then Palin’s firing of Walt Moneghan is like the Kennedy assassination. And incidentally, McCain was the one who mentioned the guy 20 some times in the debate – thrusting him unwittingly onto the national stage.
As for Giuliani, he’s a JOKE. His campaign was a joke. Quite possibly the worst run campaign in history. He should crawl in some hole out of embarrassment. What did he spend, 25 million for 3 delegates. Nice job there, Rudy, you hack. And the ridicule you gave off at the Republican convention about Obama’s having been a community organizer was sickening. If you had any honor left you would apologize to Obama and to all community organizers, you pompous blowhard hack.

Maybe McCain supporters checked into his background before using him as a campaign prop.
This is just like that report about the woman who accused Obama supporters of carving a B into her face. I’m glad the police caught that one.
It’s one thing to chant “terrorist”… but it takes things to a new level when your supporters are willing to hurt themselves to hurt your opponent.

Lee,
That would be true if any fraudulent activity had taken place.

Fraudulent activity has occurred.
What planet are you living on when you’re not blogging?

Wow, Rudy has lost his mind! His new wife is a journalist, isn’t she? He doesn’t think the media is going to dig up info on someone that was mentioned 20-some times in a Presidential debate?
Joe the plumber has McCain to thank for this stuff.

Concerned in OH
The fact of the matter is McCain is trying to lie his way into office.
Changing arguments, so now it is not ACORN, it is Obama’s campaign. Maybe next time it will be the Pillsbury Dough Boy, I hear he is liberal with baking goods.

Who committed vote fraud?
All that happened is some low wage employees filled out forms with fake names to fool their boss into paying them.
Then, ACORN found the fake names, disciplined the employees, and reported the bunk forms to the government.
That’s not vote fraud.
That’s called being responsible and fixing things before they cause a problem. Unless Mickey Mouse or Batman shows up and casts a ballot, you cannot call it vote fraud.

Let’s see — today I’ve heard an Orlando TV anchor compare Barack Obama to Karl Marx (to Joe Biden’s face, I might add), Palin warn of a “nanny government” (it’s hard to think of Marx as a nanny, but so what?), a lawsuit (which was thrown out) charging that Obama isn’t a natural-born U.S. citizen (he REALLY went to Hawaii to destroy his birth certificate!), Cindy McCain suggesting Obama was unamerican, McCain keeping up his Ayers crap with a new twist that Obama’s just like Bush (who must be an unamerican Marxist, terrorist-loving foreigner,too) & now a maniacal Giuliani gang accusing him of Nixonian tactics! Yesterday a Faux News exec said Obama would lose the election because a big ol’ (faux) black Obama supporter assaulted a virginal white girl in Murtha’s “racist” part of Pennsylvania. It isn’t just that little hoaxy girl who is nuts — they ALL are stark-staring mad. I’m one of those real, pro-Americans who thinks the nation & the world cannot afford a country run by & beholden to loonies. If you are interested in entering the sane conspiracy-free zone, when you get thru reading Jake, go to RealityChex.com.

Didn’t you know that McCain has done absolutely nothing wrong in this campaign? Just as his supporters. He’s a stand up guy just ask them.
He has no ties to voter fraud, hasn’t pulled out every conceivable lie he could find. He’s just a real good guy just ask his supporters they’ll tell you.

“…trying to lie his way into office…”
How dare you make this remark about McCain when Obama is the one has lied on a regular basis throughout this campaign.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

Who committed vote fraud?
All that happened is some low wage employees filled out forms with fake names to fool their boss into paying them.
Then, ACORN found the fake names, disciplined the employees, and reported the bunk forms to the government.
That’s not vote fraud.
That’s called being responsible and fixing things before they cause a problem. Unless Mickey Mouse or Batman shows up and casts a ballot, you cannot call it vote fraud.
Posted by: Blip | Oct 25, 2008 8:25:38 PM
Yet these same people don’t want to discuss Young Political Majors. It is the same darn thing.

silly me. i’ve read this little article several times now, and i still can’t figure out what information was accessed from the motor vehicle department. and who cares anyway? mccain’s the guy who put this guy out in front of the public, figuring that he would embarass obama. when it turned out that instead, joe was making mccain look foolish, he had to think of some other way of making obama look bad.
the new republican slogan:
vote mccain/palin…we just make stuff up!

Where have you been?
I guess you’ve missed the big story in Ohio that investigative college journalism students had to break because the MSM refuses to do any REAL reporting during this election.
They just busted about 12 Obama campaign workers in Ohio for claiming residency there and registering to vote 5 minutes after they arrived and early voting 5 minutes later when they had no intention of remaining in Ohio after the election.
This is voter fraud, pure and simple.
They have all fessed up, and their votes have been voided. Now they have to go vote absentee from whatever Blue state they all came from.

Lee
Evidence please. I can give you an instance when McCain called Pennsylvania racist.

Obama’s Lies:
“Ayers is just a guy in my neighborhood.”
“All I ever did with ACORN was represent them once in a lawsuit.”
“I will take public financing.”
“I will not support the FISA bill.”
“I will do town hall debates with John McCain any time any place.”

Lee
Isn’t it grand to see honesty provailed. They pulled their own names off the ballot. Something you failed to mention.
Thirteen campaign workers for Barack Obama yesterday yanked their voter registrations and ballots in Ohio after being warned by a prosecutor that temporary residents can’t vote in the battleground state.
A dozen staffers – including Obama Ohio spokeswoman Olivia Alair and James Cadogan, who recently joined Team Obama – signed a form letter asking the Franklin County elections board to pull their names from the rolls.
The letter – a copy of which was obtained by palestra.net, a Fox News affiliate – came a day after prosecutor Ron O’Brien publicly urged out-of-state campaign workers for both Obama and John McCain to “examine your conscience” before the elections board beings begins opening absentee ballots today. Earlier in the week, O’Brien spoke with lawyers for both camps and urged them to make sure their staffs met permanent-residency rules, or face possible felony charges. Also pulling his ballot yesterday was Hofstra University grad Jake Smith, an Obama volunteer who had voted in Knox County, Ohio. On Thursday, O’Brien cut a deal with 13 out-of-staters, including four from New York, who tossed out their already-cast ballots and admitted they didn’t meet residency requirements.

It was from the Anchorage Daily News article. I cannot post the link but go to the site adn and do a site search with Joe Wurzelbacher. Joe lived in Alaska for 4 years, son was born near Fairbanks, ex-wife’s sister still lives there and there were some records cited. He also lived in Arizona.

Obama’s Lies:
“Ayers is just a guy in my neighborhood.”
“All I ever did with ACORN was represent them once in a lawsuit.”
“I will take public financing.”
“I will not support the FISA bill.”
“I will do town hall debates with John McCain any time any place.”
Posted by: Lee
And he was just a guy in his neighborhoods. He didn’t choose to work with him, he was appointed to the boards.
Yup, Obama was representing ACORN and the U.S. Department of Justice in a civil court case regarding the motor voter law.
Those last three, you got me their but he acknowledge that on all those that he was changing course. But I guess Gas Tax McCain is perfect in every way.

Lee
No you said voter fraud. There was no investigation but the internal campaign investigation. They voluntarily pull their names probably when the campaign found out. A lie is a lie.

Lee
What college journalist? I look at the article, they weren’t even mentioned.

MM, Yeah I saw CNN fact check the recent robo call from Guliani and they all chuckled and of course called it false. Too bad the McCain campaign hasn’t figured out by all the polls that stunts don’t work with Independents. The reason Independents like myself are voting for Obama is he spends most of his time and money talking about solutions, while McCain has spent most of his time attacking Obama.

Obama also represented ACORN on a Community Reinvestment Act case where they filed suit against Citibank and forced them to give a home loan to an otherwise unqualified borrower. He also did training sessions for ACORN, a fact that he LIED about on his website, and then corrected when he was caught red-handed to the contrary.
Obama served on two separate boards with Ayers, and from these boards, they funnelled funds to ACORN for their radical activities. Obama and Ayers also worked out of the same office building in Chicago for three years in the late ’90s. Obama also wrote a promotional blurb for one of Ayers’ books. A little bit more than a “guy in my neighborhood.”

I think it was wrong for Obama and the media to try to destroy the guy in the first place. The point is what Obama said: spreading the wealth around. In my opinion, that destroys the American dream. Kids used to look up to Albert Einstein and the like. Today, they look up to Hanna Montana. In this American Idol era, taking money from those who have achieved and giving it to those who are not as well off is the opposite direction we need to go. We aren’t entitled to the American dream! Americans are supposed to work for it! That’s what we did!

Go to a sit down restaurant. When the check comes, tell the waiter, “I’m going to give your $10 tip to the homeless guy on the street. He needs it more.” Yeah. That’s what Obama wants to do.

antijake
Were you serious when you called yourself “silly” I have to agree with you though. Try to put your self in Joe Wurzelbacher’s boots. You are being spied on by the office of the Ohio Attorney General and the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency. Don’t pretend having a corrupt government entity snoop into your personal life immediately after you dealt a serious blow to their precious, above it all, candidate. Joe Wurzelbacher didn’t embarrass Obama, Obama embarrassed Obama.

Use of the term watergate is meant to imply an orchestration by Obama himself. This will backfire as it will turn out that it was nosy public servants (like the passport violations a few years back). This will destroy McCain if they push it, just like the Hoax in PA.

You have got to be kidding me. Why would the McCain campaign bring up Watergate?
First thing that came to mind his his “terrorist” pal and watergate mastermind, Gordon Liddy.
Does ANYONE in his campaign think before they speak?

Since when finding out if there is a a tax lien against a property is a crime?
Boy, these “republicans” are so desperate at the prospect of being thrown out of power, and into oblivion -I hope for a long, long time for the sake of the Country-; they will not hesitate to use any dirty trick to hang on to.
By the way Rudy Giuliani was rejected overwhelmingly in the primaries by “his own party”… talking about a sour loser!

Well, I guess we can all see what a McCain/Palin administration would look like.
The two of them would sit around the white house getting their hair and make up done at our expense, while making up all these stupid conspiracys themselves and then overreacting to them.
tweedle dee and tweedle dumb

Gotta love the GOP. More Fear mongering.Their trying to get something to work for them. Pretty hilarious. Now Obama is a radical domestic muslim socialist Islamic terrorist who’s going to create a communist police state and who won’t wear a flag pin. Nice. If only his middle name was really “steve” That’s not so scary.

Andrew…
I don’t get your 10$ tip analogy.
I thought that Republicans believed that it was up to the individual who they should be generous with.
I’m all for being generous to waiters, but it seems like the moral thing to do: To give a gift to the guy who has nothing instead of giving a gift to someone who does.
In a perfect world, I would give the waiter his 20% gratuity gift, but then get some takeout food and give to the homeless guy. Better yet, invite him to join you in the restaurant.
But what does that have to do with socialism? That seems like the opposite.

Hey…Your 15 minutes is up…exit stage right!!!

Lee
McCain has some and hasn’t withdrawn their ballot. I saw the Fox thing two they are really bias, they actually interrupted the students when they were about to tell them what the Ohio board was doing.

I wouldn’t get too excited about story like this.
Remember the story a young campaign volunteer for John McCain made up a story of being robbed, pinned to the ground and having the letter “B” scratched on her face in what she had said was a politically inspired attack by a black man, police said Friday.
McCain campagin was sending the charges around before police determined the truth.

If this case is true about Obama getting into someone’s taxes, somebody better be prosecuted. Also, was Obama born in the United States? Is anyone checking this out?

Alie
He was born in Hawaii, it has been checked out.

Is Joe the Plumber every going to get his privacy back?

I know jwench.
I’d trust a junkie with wallet before I’d trust a McCain surrogate.
At least until Nov. 4th.

Giuliani is a lunatic. I am embarassed to admit that I actually voted for the guy when I lived in NYC years ago but he has been out of control the past couple of years. Watergate? You have GOT to be kidding me. This is Joe the Plumber! WHO CARES??????? If this is the best ditch shot McCain has he should just deliver his concession speech tonight.

Don’t forget the Russians are coming. We are all for that fear stuff. You betcha
Just ask Sarah when they will be here, she can see them from her house. :)

I guess when they lock his but up for delinquent taxes or start garnishing his wages that will be Sen. Obama’s fault to. No, just Joe’s sorry behind, run around running his mouth. Well he could always go on the lamb with Silly Sarah in Alaska and catch a boat to Russia. After all, she does have communications from her back porch with them. OBAMA 2008!!

Not since Nixon has government power been used so blatantly to give payback…and IF you think this is a problem now, just wait until an Obama presidency… They will do anything to get their way…power corrupts…and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
I think McCain you can trust.

WHAT IN TRHE WORLD IS GOING ON IN THIS COUNTRY HERE WE HAVE A ELECTION COMING IN A WEEK AND A HALF AND JOE THE PLUMBER GIVE ME A BREAK THIS IS JUST SAD FOR THE REPUBLICAN PARTY THAT MAN IS NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT OR VP WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS HERE FOLKS AND JOE WHAT EVER HIS REAL NAME IS HES LOVING IT

Its called public records…Anyone can look this stuff up. The Republicans really count on people being stupid.

Lee
Yes has the sixth sense. That why he can call McCain on the BS

John
McCain and the republicans want your 401ks to burn, just look what John McCain policies have done already. His solution is to double down on it like the surge. McCain is giving money to military contractors and the rich. Ain’t life grand for the irrational conservative.

Will the RNC\GOPers please stop blaming the Obama campaign for everything that’s going wrong with their own campaign?? This is crazy. I’m glad the media checked out this story, just like we rely on the media to check every story. But geez guys quit blaming everything that comes out and you don’t like it, on the Obama people. Get over yourselves!! We as Americans have a right to know all the details! I don’t care who exposes it! At least it was exposed!

(roll eyes) Yep, the Repubs are so desperate now that they will excuse Obama of *anything*. Rudy and the rest of the Rhetoric Party are so full of themselves that they think most of the people will fall for this? Please! I bet only FOX will make a big deal out of this, since they are the Rhetoric Network.
Give it a rest, Rudy. Your accusations doesn’t carry water anymore than the whole Ayers thing. Those with commen sense will not fall for these meaningless attacks. Time and time again, the polls said a great percentage of voters do not like these negative campaigning, so it’s clear the Repubs just do not listen to what the public wants.

Most who work for the county or state he lives in could look at these records. Looks like grasping for political straws.

You McCain bots act like you are shocked. What do you think your current Republican Adminstration has been doing the past few years. Spying on people just like you, going through your records. Ironic isn’t it?

It was John McCain who kept using the guy’s name incessantly and telling all of American how Obama was going to do a disservice to Joe the Plumber with his plans. Then come to find out the guy wasn’t even who he said he was. He’s a fake and of course it’s good to see all fakes exposed. I’m sure there’s plenty of other stuff we’d like to know about the indecencies and distortions of truth coming out of the McCain\Palin campaign.

For real, anyone knows McCain overall message for this campaign it? he seems to be all over the map. It’s like they just have each “keyword” of the day in a bag, and whatever they pull out of that day, they will try to throw it out and hope that something sticks.

Yes, and Obama just recently voted to CONTINUE that spying.
Can you say FISA?

Jake
Here’s a thought. Maybe 2 days after the McCain campaign Communications Director in Pennsylvania pushes an incendiary version of a race-baiting hoax against the Obama campaign, the infamous “B” attack…
You and ABC News might choose to be professional enough not to throw garbage like this on the front page of the site or in your blog without some actual evidence to back it up.
This really is shameful and puts you and ABC in a league with Drudge and Fox for running with the false/fraudulent hoax story.
Shameful.

All Joe did was ask a candidate a difficult question. He should not have been subjected to the invasion of privacy he has been subjected to.

Very well said Jwench..”You McCain bots act like you are shocked. What do you think your current Republican Adminstration has been doing the past few years. Spying on people just like you, going through your records. Ironic isn’t it?”
**We should ask the Republican party, how does it feel to be tread upon? We have been tread upon for the past 8 years. The entire control that they’ve had over this country has put us into peril and starting to feel like h&ll on Earth. So guess that stuff just comes back to get them now.

Way to go Rudy!!! I hope that whoever illegally accessed this citizens records illegally gets their arses nailed to the wall.

Guiliani was giggling? Was he wearing one of his
dresses again?
BTW isn’t the GOP the party that supports the
government spying on all American citizens?
Posted by: petra
**********************
Desperate people doing desperate things. Poor
wudolph, afraid that someone might be looking in
his closets, I mean files. Lets ask our wonderful
NSA team. if he has been targeted lately.
First they accused the democrats of planting the
white powder in on the McCains Headquarters.
(turned out to be a Vietnam Vet with emotional
problems). Then they had a emotionally unstable
recruiting volunteer who was so deranged that
she started writing Barack across her face using a
mirror! After making the B inverted, she decided
on giving herself a black eye. (No blood bust in
the eye, just brused around it). This may be the
key in triggering the investigation into her.
Now they think this is Obamas insight?
MAYBE THIS WAS McCain’s KEYSTONE COPS DOING
THIER SO CALLED THOROUGH,IN DEPTH
BACKGROUND CHECK OF ‘JOE THE WANNA BE
PLUMBER, BEFORE MCCAIN WENT ON HIS
PLUMBING MONOLOGUE AT THE DEBATES.

LOL…lordy, lord…the McCain campaign’s desperation is getting worse. And Rudy, you’re becoming even more pathetic.

The early voting in Nevada has been running 2 to 1 of registered Democrats over Republicans. Voters are turning out in droves, with applause erupting each time a new registrant votes for his or her first time.
All of the early voting locations have long lines of anxious voters waiting to vote. There are lots of young and senior voters in these lines.
Local News estimates are that more than 30% of the vote will occur in Nevada before election day.
I have lived in Nevada for 12 years and I have never seen such a large voter turn out. The McCain/Palin disinformation – smear /play victim / Joe the Plumber campaign appears to have greatly increased the Democratic turn out for the election.
It’s time for the Republicans to start clearing out of their Washington DC offices before they are thrown out into the street.

Guiliani and LYING philandering adulterer, who married his mistress, is accusing someone of being dishonest?
What a joke from a racist creep who publically humiliated Donna Hanover and his children, while NYC Mayor, to declare his love for his mistress Judy Nathan.

The hacker was McCain performing his vetting process of the plumber.

Joe Wurzelbacher must be
slow on the uptake. He’s
getting a tax cut from BO.
He knows what it is like
to owe money to the IRS.
He needs a tax break. And
BO is giving it to 95 percent
of the taxpayers.
McCain will transfer money
from the working class and
the middle class to the
upper class. He’s the
class warfare candidate.
He practices reverse Marxism
and Republican economics and
works for the interests of
the fat cats.

Please give old Joe a rest. Anyone could have looked up Joe’s tax information. The tax information is public record and anyone with a computer can view tax records online.

Good name Concerned in OH..
You should be concerned about yourself if you’re following the lunatics and freaks who still believe that they’re doing great things for this country. When all they’re doing is ripping it apart and running on their own personal agendas, instead of really considering what is right for this country. Diabolical!

Why hasn’t the media questioned Palin about her associations with the Alaskan Independence party? This party calls for Alaska to secede from the U.S. There is nothing more unamerican than not wanting to be an American. Palin is truly as UNAMERICAN as you can get. Not to mention as stupid as a person can get.

Guliani is drinking too much of the red “hate-spew” kool-aid again.

Vicki, yes he asked Obama a question in PUBLIC. McCain is the one that brought Joe into the debates and made him a target of both parties. If I recall, Joe welcomed this attention too.

Posted by: Vicki | Oct 25, 2008 9:43:29 PM
Yeah, just like Ashley Todd was at an ATM and some guy carved a backwards B in her face after robbing her.

The minute McCain and Palin evoked “Joe the Plumber” and invited him to join them on the campaign he became part of the public record. Celebrities don’t get to hide this stuff. Why should he? Besides, from what I hear, the Republicans have raised the money for his back taxes and arranged for him to finally get that plumber’s license. He’s coming out smelling like a rose and making money to boot.

There is no proof that this even happened, let alone by who. I’m a network administrator, there are ALWAYS logs…they would know EXACTLY who did this if it was true…especially with a state computer system. This is another lie being spread by the GOP.

Republicans accusing Democrats of illegal invasion of privacy? That’s rich.

The truth about Joe the Plumber is that there’s been a leak somewhere.

I don’t feel the least bit sorry for Joe the Plumber. He’s probably attending the coziest RNC cocktail parties now, rubbing elbows with the Richies, probably getting put up in the nicest hotels. Will probably get his tax debt erased (hmm), and is probably getting rich as a “plumber” right about now. But the Republicans are making it sound like poor little Joey.. his life is getting torn apart because of the Democrats?? It was McCain who said his name about 26 times just in his last debate alone and they bring up his name in every one of their rallies now. If anyone’s to blame for all of this, it’s the Republicans!

Obama is the one that said “spread the wealth”. Blame him for the fiasco.
It’s time for everyone to have some self-responsibility for a change.
Posted by: S Adams | Oct 25, 2008 9:49:39 PM
It was your candidates responsibility not to exploit this person. Obama answered his question end of story. McCain brings his name up in the debate how many times? Put the blame where it belongs.

Does it matter if Joe is a Republican? Does it matter if he was a plant? Does it matter if he owes taxes? Does it matter if he has a licence that is not required? does it matter if he will ever make 250K? Does it matter if he shaves his head? Does it matter if he loves jockey shorts and hates Obama? Does it matter if he has athletes foot? NO to all of the above questions…
Does it matter that in response to Joe’s question Obama revealed his underlying philosophy? For ME it does.
I do not want to vote for someone with Obamas core principles which have remained so well hidden through-out this campaign. Luckily he didnt have his teleprompter handy when Joe asked that or we STILL wouldn’t have heard it from the HORSES MOUTH.

John, you are right, the computer records and logs will show exactly who did it.
THE DEMOCRATS IN OHIO ARE WITHHOLDING THAT INFORMATION.
Fool.

Ridiculous.

Hey “me,” we already live in a police state. As for “Joe the Plumber,” he’s a deadbeat who hasn’t paid his taxes, won’t pay his medical bills, and probably has a ton of other things in his closet. All the stuff Guiliani is whining about are Public Records. He should know that, he’s a former Attorney General. THis new “scandal” is nothing more than desparation.

Obama will do anything to buy this election. It would not surprise me at all if the charges proved to be true.

Joe the Plumber seems about as fake as that girl who claimed she was mugged at an ATM and had a B scratched in her face.

This is exactly the way that Sen. Barack Obama conducted his “thugocracy” campaign for the Illinois State Senate. I would not be surprised if he OK’d the breach of Joe the Plumber’s private information. Barack is not who you think he is. Or who is purports to be. It will all come out in the end; lets just hope its prior November 4th.

Republicans will do anything and say anything to say in power. McCain has no ideas, plans or suggestions on how to solve the economic woes of this economy and Sarah Palin is clueless. She makes George Bush look like a rocket scientist.

Don’t forget its 2008, the economy is going to hell, we’re fighting 2 wars, and the biggest enemy to the middle class…….Socialism?
Today’s GOP, stuck in the 1950s since, well, the 1950s.
War on Socialism – Bomb scandinavia?

Me thinks Giuliani doth protest too much. Perhaps he is trying to frame Obama, I have no proof, just curious.

Obama wears designer suits and designer shades.
Michelle Obama said use the rebate check money for earrings.
Obama has a personal stylist that uses campaign funds.
The hypocricy is breathtaking.
Obama works out at the ritz instead of visiting troops in germany.
Pelosi, Reid, Obama what a joke.

The Republicans just won’t quit. All they have to say is a bunch of stupid stuff.

Maybe Joe The Plumber and Joe McCain (John’s brother) can get together and share stories. One Joe could talk about his failure to pay taxes on time while the other Joe can complain about not getting to his destination on time.

“Joe, the plumber” is a lie, the Republicans delibrately constructed. It was a pre meditated and well executed hoax like the claim of that lady Todd in PA who claimed that a Democratic volunteer attacked her for having the McCain stiker on her car’s bumper. Joe, the plumber is a Republican lie, endorsed by Sen.McCain himself to gain leverage during his last debate with Sn.Obama. If the Republican Administration can mess up with the personal privacy of the American citizens, how could the same people cry foul if somebody made an attempt to reveal the “Joe, the plumber lie”?
Rudy Juliani is no saint. He is no better than some of the criminals in the US jails. If he had a character to be proud of, why did the people rejected him so overwhelmingly when he attempted to become his party’s nominee? Rudi Juliani is a selfish bigot who tried his best to make the 9.11 tragedy into his political launching pad. Thank you.

jwench
you will fit right in. Can’t tell the truth when it’s spit out by the candidate. Must shut up all the dissidents. Free speech out the window with the rest of the Constitution.
Posted by: Carolyn | Oct 25, 2008 9:55:15 PM
Omg what a bunch of drama queens you are. Face it you would rather screw yourself with the same old antics and policies than vote for the Democratic bogey man.
Obviously you must have few screws loose to believe half of what you have been led to believe. It’s called smear and fear, except this time we woke up and aren’t going to let you railroad our candidate.

Joe the plumber is fair game. He was a McCain supporter and a Republican who appeared to deliberately harass Obama. He lacked sincerity and legitimacy and understanding his motives remained of paramount importance. Next thing you know a person who is a fanatical supporter of McCain and Palin who would want to harm Obama and it is important that the secret service screen such potential loose cannons or their friends. Any one with such mean motives like doing bodily harm to a presidential candidate has no right to privacy and should be probed before a terrible thing happens. The secret service should carry computers to do any quick checks on a person’s criminal record or party affiliation. As for Guliani, he has been a twice quitter and an attorney general ages ago and lacks credibility to think he knows everything.

It sounds like three separate departments were involved in pulling the data. I hope they get whoever did this. These are Nixon-style tactics.

Who cares about the rights of one measly man. I only care if it happens to me by Republicans. It only makes sense we should give special privileges to powerful people. In fact, enforcing law is just another vast right wing conspiracy. Elites should get to the way we live and whether we go to jail or not.

HMMM…for AMUSEMENT’S SAKE…let’s imagine the people sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom in McCain’s White House…G. Gordon (He’s served his time)Liddy, Rush (Drug Felon) Limbaugh, McCain’s brother (911 can you clear up this traffic for me), Palin’s dropout son-in-law to be and her daughter pre-wedding….Sound better to you Repubs?

Joe the Plumber needs to fix the leaky ship that is the John McCain campaign. But does he have a license? This is the over-riding question.

Of course it was Obama. The McCain bots read it on Fox and heard it on their slanted websites so it must be true. Who are we to argue with the most informed posters on the planet.

Has Rudy stopped cross-dressing already? Sarah Palin could give him some tips.

Considering its Guliani; it was probably one of his minions that instigated the inquiries at his request and they left behind a glove that just happens to be Obama’s size. Pathetic.

BlameAmericaLast
When did the cold war end? Why are we attacking shadows? Obama is not a communist he is a democrat or are McCain followers blind.

Obama could not obtain a security clearance to be his own body guard…

Who the heck is Senator Government. McCain is the only person in the race more attack to the government and its current policy or am I living in a parallel universe where the power and size of the government has actually decreased under Bush.

If it’s true that Joe The Plumber still owes a fine for a traffic violation, then that certainly is news. I admired him once but no more. Traffic violations can endanger the lives of innocent people.

“Of course it was Obama. The McCain bots read it on Fox and heard it on their slanted websites so it must be true. Who are we to argue with the most informed posters on the planet.”
Oh yeah, like Kos and HuffPo are not the left’s answer to a Sunday sermon …

it’s late in the day and the Republicans just won’t quit trying to distract attention from faulty leadership and diminishing chances. McCain conveniently abridged the interview with Joe the (non) plumber to turn into his mantra. And as for the Ayer controversy: recycle an idiotic fixation turned into lies by McCain, who knows perfectly well all there is to know about Obama’s association with a man, who anyway after 40 years (yes, 40: the number of years that Israelites spent in the desert — two generations) and now a respected educator at one of the most prestigious centers of higher learning. Every time I hear McCain utter these calumnies with a straight face, I know he has lost it: his honor, his dignity, his integrity. This new blip is just another move of desperation.

mr tapper it is a sad day when every bogus claim made by mccain is consdered news.. just like that young lady made a false claim it was HOAX!!!
it’s underlying racism and bigotry this country has been torn apart to long. report the real news about mccain’s association with keating 5, g gordon liddy, timmons, phil graham reponsible for the ENRON scandal and savings and loan scandals mccain involved in & the lobbist running his camp.

Of course it was Obama. The McCain bots read it on Fox and heard it on their slanted websites so it must be true. Who are we to argue with the most informed posters on the planet.”
Oh yeah, like Kos and HuffPo are not the left’s answer to a Sunday sermon …
Posted by: mak | Oct 25, 2008 10:18:14 PM
I have never been to Kos and have only been to Huffington a couple of times.
Other than that I get my information from sites that show the positives and negatives of BOTH campaigns. Try it for achange you might learn something.

Truth Squad…Acorn..Voter registration fraud…Voter registration…spread the wealth…accessing private records and bad mouthing an average citizen for asking a question? Sounds like China or Russia 20 years ago. What is going on? Why is this not front page news? Wake up people. Is this what you want for 4 years 8 years…possibly forever? And they wonder why the polls say what they do? People are afraid they are lying. McCain Palin will win by a landslide.

“..That’s rich…”
No, Richard. No one gets to be rich anymore, remember?
Spread the wealth around??

I’m reading “Rule for Radicals” and “Reveille for Radicals” by Saul Alinsky, the one Obama said he learned the most from! The one who says lie, cheat and steal to get the power…!
People are in for a huge surprise if Obama becomes POTUS! :(
Not to mention Reid and Pelosi…! If it wasn’t so serious, it would be hilarious!

I can’t believe how many stupid people here are actually buying this. I also notice that the later it gets in blogs like these, the more GOP that show up. Maybe its because most dems have to go to work the next day to feed their family another week, while the GOP have to do nothing more than check their stocks the next day. This is pathetic…and the AMERICANS aren’t going to be stupid enough to buy this crap. If McCain wants to win this election, he needs to start talking about the nation’s issues…not just his.

As a working Man Joe the Plumber does not represent me!

the funny thing is, the repubs who scream about ‘sharing the wealth’ are mostly dirt poor and will never have to worry about being taxed in a $250K bracket, they are the ones who will benefit under Obama’s tax plan.

“Other than that I get my information from sites that show the positives and negatives of BOTH campaigns. Try it for achange you might learn something.”
Hello? How do you think I know about Kos and HuffPo? Because I read them along with various sites scattered across the spectrum.
I must say that my resources have dwindled though … everybody has an angle but I want a “just the facts, Ma’am” approach to reporting, which is sorely lacking this day and age. God forbid we have reporting about the issues, rather than the drama surrounding the campaigns.

I can’t wait until 2012 when Palin reappear with the rest of the GOP guys! They are going to use all this against her – especially the scripted lines and all the lies and flip flopping it’s going to be real nasty. She’s definitely All confidence with no brains she actually believes that she is ready to be on the national scene she doesn’t realize they actually used her as a prop… The GOP guys and girls will turn on her after this is over!

Bush has been able to eavesdrop on the American people for 8 years and now Jules and McSame want to make a big deal out of this, you people deserve 5.00 a gallon for gas for being so dam stupid. Vote for the Republican war lovers, get more of our kids killed, and live with the economy going to hell under the REPUBLICAN ADMINISTRATION not the democrats. What a bunch?????????????

“It has not been determined who checked on Wurzelbacher, or why.”
And there is the answer.
This is beyond substanceless – just more mud slinging and an attempt to stir up the nasties in some of our more basic thinkers.
Once anyone gets the attention of the Media, the checks get made. And “Joe” is himself going to the media, giving interviews etc and enjoying what he calls his 15mins of fame. I don’t think that “Joe” put himself in the spotlight, I think McCain did. I was surprised when McCain mentioned the names full name details in the debate. He could have just called him “Joe the Plumber” – but he seemed to want to clearly demonstrate that he was talking about a real person, so gave his full name details out on National Television. Of Course people are going to then check him out! Isn’t that why you give full name details of a person, so the person can be checked out and proven to be ‘real’. It back fired on McCain, and now the campaign is whining. But they caused it. Simple.

ZOGBY SUNDAY: Single day of polling, 49% to 46% in favor of Obama… Developing…
NOBAMA>>>> I can’t wait for the media and the libs to choke on the McCain/Palin victory!!!!!!

Now that Palin’s approval rating is only better than Bush’s and McCain has no credibility anymore, they bring in the extreme right Guiliani to energize the base.
With so many moderate and prominent Republicans endorsing Obama, Guliani sounds more nuts than credible.

She died. My heart and prayers go out to her mother and family. I am very close to my mother and daughter and I know they are taking her death hard. I how they catch the person(s) responsible for her death.

politicql retribution for what???? Why ojn earth would anyone want to go to this extreme to discredit a man who was already deemed a fraud? How is this going to be laid at the obama campaign doorstep? This smells like a repub dirty trick, after all, mccain has more to lose by “joe” being investigated, he was after all their ‘plant’ that blew up in their faces
OBAMA 08

The news made it sound like she was going to be OK. Kinda makes all this bickering seem like pathetic BS.So sorry for her family.Sick people in this world, hope they catch the monsters that did this.

What we all need to do is just go ahead and send our Bank information to each candidate. Let them take what ever money they want. It will either be taken from us by tax o redistribution of wealth. Either way our money is going away.

Moreover, I resent all these stupid, useless ‘investigations’ that congress and senate and other governmental agencies are forever conducting. These people should be busy with more important things. They do all this ‘investigating’ and not enough of the work they wer elected to do!

carolyn–apparently you don’t recall your own posts. you had claimed that his records FROM child support, the AG’s office, etc., had been breached. i was merely pointing out that it was only his motor vehicle records that had been pulled BY the other offices. whether or not they had good reason to do so is anyone’s guess.
the point is–pay attention here–the records they claim to have been illegally accessed were about his driving record and car registrations. NOT the records about his tax liens, lack of a plumber’s license, or any of the other myriad of things that have been made public.
i’m certainly not in a position to know this, but if i had to guess, i would have to say that the people looking at old joe’s records were doing so at the behest of reporters. reporters who were only interested in joe because john mccain mentioned him 20 times within the space of 90 minutes on national television. if joe’s privacy has been invaded, it’s because of john mccain, who continues to mention the man daily in his speeches. frankly, joe doesn’t seem too upset about it either. in fact, he appears to be relishing his more than 15 of fame.
so really, carolyn, let it go. the republican party shot themselves in the foot this time. quit blaming it on the other guy.

What really amazes me is the hypocricy of the so-called “conservatives”. This clown Rudy Guilianni is more liberal than Nancy Pelosi herself. He’s pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, pro-gun control, funded abortion programs with tax payer money, yet those who call themselves conservatives use him to attack the Democrats. Rudolph Guiliani, the biggest clown in the GOP. He took credit for Mayor Dinkins initiaty to make NYC safe, took credit for Joe Biden’s bill to help law enforcement, and it was actually Mike Bloomberg who made NYC safe. I am from NY (live in NC thou) and I know that this guy is a clown and an opportunist.

typo on previous comment “… Mayor Dinkin’s initiative…” the whole point is that drag queen Guilianni is a phony.

D.E.S.P.E.R.A.T.E! Obama should tell the media that McCain sunk to the lowest depths imaginable when he attempted to start a race war with McCain volunteer hoax. Again, Obama refuses to lay into McCain by taking the high road but for just once I would like to see him humilate McCain on this matter.

I voted for McCain/Palin 08! They are America’s only hope this election! :)
But, I can wait to vote for Palin in 2012 if B O wins in 08. By then Obama-hate will be as bad as Bush-hate is today!
I went through Trudeau-mania and the huge disappointment that followed his arrogant, equivocating reign! He also had his head in an ideological mist!
Wise up all you Obama fans out there!
Palin is more experienced than Obama and doesn’t keep putting her foot in her mouth like Biden!
And, Palin is authentic, intuitive, energetic, wise, humble, smart, courageous, tough, a servant leader, a very quick study, (it took Obama months to learn what she has picked up in weeks), and she has a strong moral center plus American values!
She has accomplished much more in her years of servant leadership than Obama!
Go for the schmoozing, smooth-talking, obfuscating, truth twisting Obama who will decide how much money you can keep and what he will do with the rest of your money if you choose!
He doesn’t seem to have an original thought in his head. I am a voracious reader, and when I listen to Obama I hear phrases he has taken from many different people! I look them up and wonder why he gets a pass on plagiarism?
Obama can memorize talking points and the words/thoughts of others but his spontaneous words are often just plain stupid!
Why do you think he is buying time in big blocks where no one can question him? He will just talk/read his teleprompter! :(
Biden inadvertently spoke the truth and then tried to inoculate his inexperienced, naive partner from the anger and disappointment that would follow his inevitable poor judgment!
POTUS Obama will weaken our military and increase our taxes big time!
I was a democrat and Hillary supporter until the democrats, the media and camp Obama destroyed her with their lying, cheating, stealing and all that counts is the power tactics!
It does makes me wonder if Obama was selected because:
He can be pushed around-
He is a great obfuscator and truth-twister-
He is not Hillary Clinton-
He is a far left-wing politician-
He was a part of anti-American/anti-authoritarian educational reform-
He knows how to coerce anger in order to manipulation it-
He is a Washington insider-
Or all of the above? :(
Beware if Obama becomes POTUS! He would overreach! It is his arrogant pattern! :(

Gosh,
McCain, YOU were the one who kept bringing it up Joe the Plumber during the debate and in your subsequent stump speeches (without asking for his permission out of courtesy). If it’s anyone’s fault that national attention got trained on him, it’s YOURS.
McCain knows how to divide the country. That’s the last thing anybody needs. If this is the way YOUR campaign would conduct itself, playing the blame game and questioning liberal’s patriotism or calling the Northern part of Virginia “Communist Country”, then WE DO NOT want you as President.

QUESTION: To the republicans and far right wing. If Joe the uncertified “plumber” does not pay his bills, does not pay his taxes, medical bills and legal bills. Please tell me again what Joe’s chief complaint was about? The man is making less than $40K per year and with his bad credit rating I seriously doubt he wll be able to secure a business loan. Something truly smells here. True, Joe was outside when Obama came into his neighborhood but I am sure the local news media announced his visit plans prior to his arrival.

A saying I heard a while back comes to mind: He who looks under the bed has once hidden there himself. The Republicans are getting desperate and it is showing!!!

Joe’s tax records were reported by the press, who were able to access public records about liens. The McCain campaign is really desperate! It’s a very sad commentary on Guiliani.

Glad to see someone is holding the dirty-politicking Dems feet to the fire for once.
It is so pathetic how the Left Wing is so hypocritical about being put under the microscope.
Like a bunch of whiny babies!

So, is joe the plumber still a deadbeat taxpayer, or did someone pay the $1,200 in delinquent property taxes he owed? I believe that tax liens filed at the court house against one’s real estate is public record. That’s why mortgage companies run title searches prior to lending.

Aware2U McCain has no ideas, plans or suggestions on how to solve the economic woes of this economy and Sarah Palin is clueless. She makes George Bush look like a rocket scientist.

McCain courts the wacked-out campaign worker who fakes her own attack. When that blows up in his face, he starts an un-holy attack to blow smoke in the face of the media. McCain: your legacy is trash.. toxic.. you are radiocactive. Please send another Republican over to endorse Obama.

Too bad this investigation didn’t happen to Palin because she was prayed over, and is “protected from every form of witchcraft”.

wanamakerbeautiful ….. fine by me!! I heard it several years ago, but I don’t remember where.

HEY DRAG QUEEN GULIANNI — Go find something to do with your time!!!
It was reporters who after John McCain said “Joe the Plumber”, 25 times in the debate, who went searching into Joe the plumber’s background. That is what reporters do. And if John McCain wasn’t so bent on exploiting Joe “the Plumber” for his campaign purposes, the press would not have been interested in Joe “the plumber”.
John McCain put this man, and his life out their by bringing him up in the debate over, and over, and so the press went searhing to find out who this guy is!!
The democrats had NOTHING to do with this, it was reporters who went to find the man John McCain kept refering to in the 3rd speech over, and over!!

akskimo……from now on, this will be my sign-off with every blog I post..it is so true. The Republicans are getting desperate and it is showing….
“He who looks under the bed has once hidden there himself.”

every day its a new gimmick from these buffoons. McCain – give it a rest.

NoOBAMA!!! You bet his team of thugs did this, and will do more once in office and the folks vote an all Democratic party. America is in trouble now… Watch your money, privcy, and jobs all go south, because money is on the side of OBAMA.. 755 million dollars in campaign money shy of one billion. He has the power to stop the in coming funds, and say I have enough, this enough. But chooses to continue the in flow and spend lavishly, no reins in his spending, no holding back. We don’t need more or the same/democratic spending since 2006 we need accountability. NoBama! GO McCAIN/Palin

Why are republicans defending this deadbeat? Real Americans pay their taxes and work.

The correct question to ask is why is Obama trying to destroy Joe the Plumber when it was Obama who admitted he is going to take the working class’s money….and oh, he told Illinois he wasn’t going to vote to raise their taxes either….guess what? He voted to raise everyone making over $42,000……..Obama plans and economists say he has to to even part way cover his purposed spending increases to jack up everyone’s taxes. BTW, heads up for those that have 401K’s—————-they are already gunning for your 401k.

Mr, Clean, Mr. Clean, Mr. Clean..

Giuliani=Kerrick=crook=McCain campaign gone completely wacky.

Posted by: ellsbells930 | Oct 25, 2008 11:16:30 PM
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Do you expect me to get the information from McCain’s website?
Wikipedia in my book is the most trusted website to retrieve information from!!!!
Thank you!!!!
Obama\Biden08

It is an unfortunate fact that a handful of overzealous partisans of every candidate — Republican and Democrat — commit dirty tricks. That does not mean that the candidates themselves or their campaigns authorized or knew of them.
The question to Giuliani was valid: Is there any evidence that the Obama campaign is responsible for accessing Joe the Plumber’s records? Is there any evidence that the Obama campaign knew about it?
If Giuliani can’t say there is evidence, he not only comes off as desperate — he also invites investigation into other offenses that overzealous pro-McCain supporters might have committed.

I find it interesting that ‘Joe the Plumber’ has been revered by McCain. I wonder if he met Joe when he was in Arizona? Joe might want to go back and pay the fine he owes in Mesa AZ or maybe McCain will take care of that for him too, or better yet, have Rudi take care of it for him . . . he’s one of McCain’s rich buddies!

I have worked for a Child Support Enforcement office where some of the gals would access other people’s personal information (DMV, Court Records, Employment Commission records) just to find out if the guy was someone they wanted to pursue for personal reasons. And I have worked in a Call Center where people would access co-workers’ court records through the web, just to cause trouble for them. Although Joe made himself a target by trying to play both sides against the middle, this may have nothing at all to do with politics.

Rudy needs to go find another wife to cheat on, what a lunatic! Palin says Obama will bring a lack of freedom. Desperate people will anything when they are getting butts kicked!

The actions of a VERY desparate campaign!

Guiliani is a slug in the political garden. He oozes everywhere he goes. Meanwhile other sources are reporting that members of the McCain camp are saying Sarah Palin has gone rogue… way beyond mavericky and into areas that counter the official campaign message. They say she’s an out of control diva and has her own power agenda. McCain’s campaign is melting down…kinda sad for him…

To think that ABC would make this their top story is pathetic. The nation is grinding to finacial stop. We’re stuck in 2 wars. ABC you must be nuts. Joe the plumber is a Carl Rove invention and in the end it will be discovered that some republican checked his records in an attempt to tarnish the Obama Campaign. Just the other day a McCain worker tried to set up the Obama campaign with race baiting by claiming she was attacked by a black Obama supporter. Guess what she lied just as
Giuliani is lying now. Giuliani has always been a mob pawn. Obviously the mob isn’t happy with a Obama presidency.

Well, me, I’ve got news for you. It’s not the Media nor is it Obama who is taking away your rights, but the Executive Branch, aided by the Judicial Branch, of the US Government. You can no longer gather peacefully for the purpose of protest if the President doesn’t want you to. The President can order your phone tapped, all of your personal information scrutinized, and your property searched/seized with NO warrant/reason. You can be snatched from the street and thrown in jail indefinitely. The US government is no longer required to charge you with a crime, inform you of your rights, or even allow you the benefit of an attorney. YOU ALREADY LIVE IN A POLICE STATE THANKS TO THE REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT, GEORGE THE SECOND. If you foolishly vote for McCain/Palin, you can kiss the rest of the Constitution goodbye.

This is pretty rich coming from the ticket whose VP nominee delved into her favorite state trooper’s worker’s compensation claim and tried to get it denied. No doubt in my mind that the Obama campaign had nothing to do with this. It’s classic Rove – take your biggest weakness and accuse your opponent of it. We are so much smarter than this.

McCain-Bush – you started an unnecessary war in Iraq and 4810 of our young people are now dead. You should have hired Gordon Liddy to go to Iraq to find the weapons of mass destruction BEFORE you sent our sons and grandsons.

Gordon Liddy’s neighbor is John McCain. If you want to find a zealot who did jail time for terrorizing our democracy, go look in John McCain’s rolodex.

This amounts to a scandal of enormous proportions. One cannot help but invoke watergate as this has a “watergatian” element to it. It is no surprise this is breaking news…..
oh wait a sec…its just Joe the Plumber….I take back my outrage…I thought it was Obama’s passport. Its okay when Dems possibly do this. This is a non-story. (sarcasm is dripping…btw)

I keep reading posts here that say McCain is “desparate” for complaining about Joe’s privacy being breached. Actually, it is the other side who is so desparate that they would invade the privacy of a citizen who asked a question of their messiah. This is the same crowd who cry about terrorists being wire-tapped. The hypocrisy here is stunning – but not at all surprising.

His first name is actually Samuel and he’s not even a real plumber. “Joe” also voted in the Republican primary and had contributed $100 to the McCain campaign and now talks about running for Congress in 2012. He seems more like a plant than a plumber and a better name for him would probably be Sam the Sham.

Since Obama thinks that you are rich if you make over $250,000. Obama thinks that a company that makes $250,000 is rich as well. Let me explain to everyone that doesn’t own their own business why Obama’s plan will kill the small & medium size business. Example. You own a small masonry construction company. Your company does anywhere from 2 to 4 million a year making a 8% profit. You have purchase cement mixers, scaffling, fork lifts, and other misc. equipment for your company. Well after 4 years you need to replace several pieces of equipment but you don’t have the extra 100K to do it because under Obama’s plan you had to pay more taxes than McCain’s plan. So in the long run, small & medium companies will have to get loans from the bank and pay higher interest rates because under Obama’s plan you were penalitize for saving to replace equipment. Or better yet, you got a large contract and needed money to expand. Well a bank isn’t going to loan you any extra money because you only have X amount in the bank because Obama penaltized you for making a profit over $250,000. You any of you understand WHY Obama’s plan is going to kill the small business. Or are you to stupid to understand why he is going to kill the american economy and blame it on Bush…Just wait, he will….and Pelosi will be right behind him saying the same Sxxt as always.. I still like it that Nancy’s husband has ONLY $17 million dollars in Star-kist tuna….Who do you think is wealthy..I bet he has an offshore account and not paying his fair share of taxes….Hypocrite

Concerned in Ohio Said:
(Re: Pillsbury Dough Boy)”I heard ACORN registered him to vote in Cayuga County.”
No, that was the Republican Party who registered PDB. And insisted he register as republican, since they tear up all the ones from Democrats — or change them to Republicans!
Obama/Biden 08

who cares if he voted for McCain?! Doesn’t a person have the right to ask a question without the leftwing media and the Obama campaign digging through his personal records – illegally – and sifting through his trash? Who do all these rich and powerful folks think they are that they can defame a private citizen and smear him on national television? I’m telling you people, if this is allowed to go on none of us is safe from these media people who think they own everything and neither are we safe from people running for office that have powerful friends! Our freedom and our rights are very much at stake in this seemingly innocuous event!

A Phoenix TV station said Joe had several unpaid traffic tickets and a suspended Az. Drivers license, I wonder if they committed a Watergate crime, too? Rudy is a total fool!

Me–where have you been these past years? No habeas corpus, unfettered government surveillance, wiretapping up the wazoo, police detentions of suspected protest groups, mistaken FBI break-ins of the”wrong” suspects’ houses—this is what the GOP did to this once democratic country.

Can’t believe Joe’s life has been turned upside down and you Obama supporter still say it’s ok? As an Independent from California I feel you Democrats has gone too far! Read Michael Savage show where her interview former Attorney General from Pensylvania who is suing Obama for releasing his Birth Certificate. According to his investigation Obama was born in Kenya and a Muslim. I think many Americans has been too caught up in Obama’s fraud. I see Obama as an enemy from within.

Rudy Giuliani has become a national joke. As have all those on this message board desperately trying to defend him.

We aren’t afraid – we have the truth, and nobody can take that from us! If your messiah wins, you’ll get just what you deserve. The only emotion we feel about you lefties in power is total revulsion. You lefties are so deceived it would be pathetic if it weren’t for the fact that you are also so vile and corrupt and destructive and evil and filthy in all that you do and all that you say and in all that you believe in!

This is laughable…the McCain campaign stages a beating..uses terrorist threats..will it ever stop??? yes on Nov.5…we can have our country back!!! I know how they got Joe the plumber info..he was befriended by Linda Tripp!!!

Let’s see, under Clinton’s Admin, he cut military back by 25%. Under clinton’s Admin. he HAD the chance to kill Bin Laden and didn’t. So NOW we are paying for Clinton’s Admin for deregulating the banking industry. We are NOW paying for not killing Bin Laden. We are NOW paying for not having good intelligence on the ground to invade Iraq. So who is really to blame for what we are going through NOW….CLINTON’s Admin. We didn’t want to get into a war but those MUSLIMS decided to fly a few airplanes into the Twin Towers & Pentagon.

ps ……I am SICK of hearing about Joe the plumber …I could care less about this “planted” idiot……..I am worried about me, my family, my healthcare, and my parents medicare, I could give a CRAP about Joe………so move on already

Haven’t they learned anything from the “B” girl about jumping on stories before they’re confirmed? I’d be willing to bet money this backfires on McCain AGAIN in these last few days before the election.

The far left will tolerate ANYTHING, including corruption, and will sacrifice any principle to win this election. True character, huh? Suppose they’re desperate, having only put one individual in the White House since 1980! What they don’t understand is that the corruption that is in their favor today may not be tomorrow!

This is from Rudy Giuliani? Is anyone really suprised? Does he think morals are big issue now?

Morals are only a big issue to the moral. To the immoral, morals are offensive. The left is immoral and that is why moral issues don’t matter to them.

tj…………amen……….its ashame when we take a look around and see how many are buying into this CRAP…it only convinces me more how much the repubs need to be booted out all together………..democrats and independents………..lets change the parties all together

I am totally so disappointed Republicans behaviors.
first, “Joe the Plumber” – not even over two hundred thousand” without liscense
second, “Joe McCain” – 911
Third, “Ashley Todd”- hoax —-
there are so many between stroies about Mrs. Palin. if she cannot take care the family , how could she run for the public office, just besides wordro.
Since there might be bias from the media, how about Joe McCain -911 -
There would be some respects for POW, however, there would have more concerns from Keating 5.

It appears McCain, Palin and GOP are disoriented and in panic mode. What they need is heaps of Valium and to go to sleep. Maybe when they have had a good night’s rest they will think about the issues instead of what new garbage to put into their slingshots. This election is about electing leaders not slanderers.

I bet McCain picked Palin thinking he was going to hit on her, then he discovered she had a bigger set than he did, that’s why you won’t see her in a mini-skirt.

I’m sure the Obama campaign has much more things to do such as reading and studying strategies to embarrass the hell out of the republican party. Go ahead make the announce “The sky is falling the world is comming to a end” Because we the republican party was more concerned with personal agendas until we forgot about the people who voted us in. Now we want them to feel sorry for us, because it wasn’t our fault. Republicans you are so looking bad right now.

Republicans have such a strange imagination.

TJ:
That poor young woman just died.
This is not a story to be stirring up animosity from.
It is a tragedy. Please show some respect for her soul and her family.

Birth Certificate????? Where is Sarah Palin’s Medical records???? Did she really give birth to her last child? No offense to Baby Trig, Bless you sweet child. we just want to know your mother’s real name.

Lee,
I am making a point about Republican tactics these days. You were the one bringing animosity into this. Please show some respect to the poor soul.

To Lee who said:
“I have no doubt this was the work either directly or indirectly of the Obama campaign and/or his supporters.”
Odds are you are right … since most people are supporting Barack Obama.

sisterdearest09 You use wikpedia so why not go there and look up “weathermen”. That is the organization that Bill Ayers was associated with. Obama knows how to use it too and you can bet he reviewed what it said about Ayers. While you are there at the bottom it has a link that will tell you what actions the “weathermen” were involved in. Obama was associated with Ayers and you should educate yourself on just how radical that guy was!

Most of that info is public record that has been discovered about JOE. The immediate access after the debates is probably just from curious employees like when ALL the candidates had their passport info looked at earlier in the year. As it turned out, JOE the plumber is not so clean. Is it true he was a McCain contributor? Only 100 bucks.

The democrats pretend to care about others but their agenda is totally selfish. When it benefits them, they have no qualms about voting for war and sending 18 year olds to die. Then they lie and say they didn’t vote for it or they didn’t mean to vote for it or they were deceived into voting for it. This is in order to benefit them politically by being able to call their opponents “war-mongers” and “liars”. Their constituents, who are in love with campaign slogans like “change” and “hope” because it makes them feel smart and good about themselves readily believe them because they are promised a lot of booty when “the wealth gets spread around”.

Rudy Giuliani used to be a man who everyone embraced after 9/11. Now he’s a man who everyone has disgraced, attacking community organizers and such. He should know that many victim’s families of 9/11 have become community organizers, and it seems like Giuliani’s rhetoric consists of “noun, verb, 9/11.” I have lost all respect for him, and I’m sure a lot of families have, too.
As for this Joe The Plumber…pure and simple, this guy is a calculated political stunt hired by the GOP (he did live in both Arizona AND Alaska, BTW). He wasn’t asking questions to Obama about his tax plan…he was INTERROGATING Obama. I seriously doubt he is a plumber in real life. And it should also be worth mentioning that (most of you already know this):
- Joe’s real name is Samuel (Joe is his middle name, which I think he was named after McCain’s brother Joe)
- His last name Wurzelbacher: He’s the son (or son-in-law, don’t remember at the moment) of Charles Wurzelbacher, who had something to do with the Keating Five, which John McCain was involved with.
- He’s not a licensed plumber, but he claims he doesn’t need a license to do his work. Wrong, wrong, wrong.
- The GOP is using him to defend the state of Ohio from going blue to the Democrats.
Nothing will please me more than to see on November 4, 2008, the very sad and long faces of McCain supporters in that hotel room in stunned silence, when they witness on television Obama winning the election in a rout. And when that happens, I will celebrate like its 1999 all over again. No recount is going to save the GOP this time.
Obama/Biden ’08-’12-and many more years afterward.

Wow, I didn’t know they fished with poles in New Jersey. I always thought they got their fish transported. Eight years old, how smart that child is, wow. I guess getting a child to say something like that would sound better than having the real person (adult) to say it. Either way, it is still a good one but not true.. I really do get my fish from someone else though. See these men go out on boats,and catch fish,and give them out to the community sometimes. It that considered spreading the wealth????

jake is a girl too what a lousy reporter

J D:
I graduated from college in 2005 and I am not writing a term/thesis paper!!!!
This is a blog not college!!!!
Only you have a problem with Wikipedia!!!
The background information on Obama is legitimate!!!
It gave date of birth, place, parents name, etc.
Maybe your “Hard” intelligent does not recorgnize legitimate information from Wikipedia!!!!
That’s your problem!!!!

Ask Biden about Jim Crow tactics used against kids who complain about african american kids threatening and assaulting them for two years. Public elementary school got away with sending home a letter saying my son could not go to his classes if a substitute was in the room and he could only use the nurse’s restroom. Biden’s office told us he could not help us, I even took my son to a meeting with the Gov of DE. No one cares about kids, the don’t vote and don’t contribute to campaigns. Delaware is becoming Alabama 1963.

Isn’t it funny how the neocons are looking UP to Joe the Plumber. I really think they would throw ole john under the bus to get this fool on the ticket. Joe has passed the neocon test to being on their ticket: he isn’t a real plumber, he cheats on his taxes, he lies, and I bet he isn’t even registered to vote.

democrat go to wikpedia and see what Ayers did!!!

jd they had an article on cnn “nation divided. The Panel was all black, the moderator was black. Who do you think they were biased for?

This report, subtitled “Let the Wild Charges Begin,” is the top story right now in ABC’s online news. The report makes clear that there is no evidence of any wrong-doing by the Obama campaign or its allies. How does unsubstantiated innuendo from Republican operatives become the top story? Is it there to “balance” the report about the flawed bidding for Palin’s much-lauded natural gas pipeline, a process that favored a company tied to her administration? If so, what a great example of false equivalency! The Palin story is backed up by research and evidence. No one can stop Republicans from making stuff up, but it shouldn’t become the top story on ABC when there’s no evidence to back it up.

the other first dude Your Messiah’s here so he can begin his work on you. Oh I guess he already has. You are a work in progress!!

If you cons keep calling Obama “your messiah” then Democrats should be calling McCain (saying it to Republicans) “your Fuehrer”.

Here we go again with the sound bites when the investigation has not named a suspect yet.
Just like when the McCain camp volunteer made up the story of a blackman from the Obama camp attacking her and branding her with a letter B.
Only it was a lie, and she was arrested for filing a false police report. The letter B was backwards, she did it to herself while looking in the mirror.
Don’t jump to conclusions. Allow the investigation first. Just as quickly as the law enforcement were able to find the person who broke into Palin’s email, Law enforcement will find the person responsible for pulling out Joes information as well.
So far many of you owe an appology for all the horrid stuff you said about Obama after the volunteer lied about the attack. And trust me, you will be eating your words again once the culprit is found out.
If Obama was white and a Republican you would not even be saying the horrible things you say about Obama.

Rudy Giulani is a sick person to accuse Obama campaign without any proof. This guy is an attorney. Should n’t this moron know better that he can’t accuse without somekind of proof? Joe Leiberman,Carly Fiornia,Meg Whitman …and countless other people who support McCain are sick,arrogant,worse than the worst terrorists out there. These reublicans are vile,worst hypocrites,religious fanatics and rotten crooks. I don’t even know what would be the worst punishment for these Republicans.

I Totally agree with Daylene

sisterdearest09 Oh yes those violent groups Keating etc!!

JD -
No, Rebublicans can only be against Obama for one reason. We are racist. If we weren’t racist, we would love Obama because all of his ideas and policies make perfect sense and are best for all of us.
Just keep repeating the above mantra until you feel better.

To be a Republican you have to believe that being born in Hawaii is “exotic”, but being born in Panama is “apple pie American.”
To be a Republican you have to believe that working in the same building as an aging 60′s radical, is a huge deal, but being married to a confirmed Alaska secessionist is “not important.”
To be a Republican you have to believe that wiretapping phones and emails is “small government”, and giving tax breaks to the middle class is “big government.”
To be a Republican, you have to claim to hate the government, but you always want to be the one running it.

larry -
They don’t care any longer whether or not their bias is obvious.
Isn’t that obvious?

Decided, a hooters in NC. Highly representative of republicans.

Guiliani should be jailed. He has all the earmarks of a mafia born GOP member. His one state campaign should demonstrate how erratic and unqualified his judgement or opinion is.

decided08 From your posts I am assuming you are black. One serious point I would like to make is that the majority of the black people, if you asked them to talk about how Obama stands on the issues could not talk about them because they are really voting race. I realize that there are whites for McCain in the same situation, but I believe more whites have studied the issues and could talk about them. I know that the black people are very proud of Obama but they should study the issues, too and not just base their decision on race. Do you agree?

truthbetold -
Of course Gulianni should be jailed. How dare he have a legal opinion, even if he is a lawyer. The showoff.
And Joe the Plumber should be investigated for his comments, his trash dug into and analized, his right to be a plumber revoked, his tax returns audited and his name besmirched by the likes of Bill Maher, Keith O. and the entire cadre of left-wing media crusaders.

JD:
COMPUTER SCIENCE AND MANAGEMENT INFORMATION SYSTEMS

McCain got good agenda for the Country, but those same people who run President Bush campaign skew McCain and Palin badly. No wonder today, Palin went on her own way. :)
Yeah, I am talking about those far right wing, churches, etc……

michelle -
“It amazes me how white people are so quick to constantly make these generalizations, without thinking through the implications of such statements.”
you mean ALL white people?

The Other First Dude, Stop talking about JD and Larry that way, that isn’t nice. And Lesh, I guess with all the lies that the republicans have been telling about attacks on them, it would be hard to believe it could happen to and BHO supporter, but it really did happen. Who cares if anyone believes it or not, I’m not looking for 5 minutes of fame.And BHO doesn’t need that kind of help to win anyway, that’s the sinking ship republicans that need that kind of dishonesty to win.

Love Americans -
Obama is half-white and half-black
That makes him blite.

No Larry, I am not African-American. I am WHITE, Married to a WHITE man, with two WHITE children. I live in a WHITE house and I drive a WHITE car. I work for a WHITE owned company. I’m just not a WHITE racist.

The news media is fond of doing polls they should go down to the southside of Chicago and take a poll of what the people think of Obama there.

@ JD
Of course I know he is only a man, and so is John McCain. But lets not be so quick to say Reubs love to value hard work. I mean, they also value hypocrisy and winning at all costs, it seems. Since when did I say I didn’t want to earn anything? I work very hard…and always have. But again I’ve had the “opportunity” to have an excellent education, and thankfully programs like welfare helpe my family maintain through a rough patch we went through. So I’m sorry, I don’t agree that having social programs are ALL bad. Do they need work? Sure they do. And while I’m on that, let’s acknowledge that our younger generations seem to have lost the value of working hard…and I’m speaking of everyone, not just black, white, etc.
@facts dont lie
clearly you picked up on the sweeping generalization I made, to showcase how crazy those generlizations are right?

Well it looks like my “to be a Republican” format is a hit. I’ll add some more :)
To be a Republican, you run on anti-abortion, but after 8 years of a Republican supreme court and Presidency, abortion is still perfectly legal!
Bonus: You controlled all three branches of government for 6 of those 8 years. Just how many branches of government do you need to control to make abortion illegal? Unless of course, you are just using religious folks for their votes..
To be a Republican, you must believe that voting to authorize action against Iraq *if WMDs are found*, and kicking out the UN inspectors and attacking Iraq before the proof is there, is even remotely the same thing.
To be a Republican, you must believe that attaching unpopular and anti-constitutional bills to “troop armor” provisions, is an ethical thing to do.
To be a Republican you have to be obsessively concerned with third world petty dictators and every little thing they say, but completely uninterested as China walks all over us economically.

Those who are voting for Obama/Biden are very short-sighted and are voting for the past. If you hate Bush and blame him on everything then you are just doing a protest vote. This is also not a personality contest if you are trying to compare them with McCain/Pailin…on who is cool. Substance matters. Look at the future where Obama/Biden and the Democrat super majority are going to take this country… to the ground. If you are employed right now and a low hanging fruit to become unemployed, I am sorry to say that by voting for Obama/Biden you will just be voting for your unemployment.

Gosh it’s expensive combating the lie machine of the mccain/palin lynch mob mentality. The lunatic fringe is extra nutty, especially after gobbling great gooey fist fulls of lie after lie after lie. It’s all been stirred up by the uber be-atch and the grumpy old man who cannot win on their merits, their vision, the issues or even their competence in campaigning — but the crazy gobblers can’t think for themselves so they swallow all of it down.
Scream all you want to, get it all out now, cause salvation is coming whether you like it or not. You have a demon inside of you, and we’re gonna exorcise it in about 9 days. You can thank us later.

JD:
I don’t believe that I would be going there for that type of information!!!!
Or maybe????
Maybe your “HARD” intellectural is missing the point what I was trying to make!!!!
Since, I am unable to obtain a copy of Obama’s birth certificate!!
There is nothing wrong with getting general background information from Wikipedia!!!!
Universities libraries are equipped to have multiply databases where students can do research!!!
Like, I said this is a blog not college!!!
The public rely on Wikipedia and Britannica Encyclopedia
Do you know the difference!!!!

joe the wat is name is working for mcsame the republican are desperate

Facts don’t lie guy — Republicans have historically underfunded education. I don’t think it’s a coincidence either, when you look at how they campaign on “fear and smear” and never talk about the issues. The last thing they want are kids growing up to be well adjusted and informed adults.
And when parents complain, “Well you can always send your kids to private school..”

michelle Bush was really going on the intelligence of the CIA, that’s how they do it you know and Hussein was putting out false information and doing things to indicate he did have them. He was really doing this to get the other countries to think he had them to intimidate them.

Larry – And I will add, the intelligence that the Clinton-appointed George Tenet was supplying him.

Speaking of the UN, so when’s the UN going to take us over and form this world government you Republicans have been warning us about for so long?
You said it would happen under Clinton, he had 8 long years in office and it never happened.
Sadly, I was “Republican” as a kid and used to buy into this “UN is gonna invade us” mumbo jumbo. But I began to see it for what it was, just another fear tactic when you can’t compete on the issues. I grew up and grew out of it. A shame so many Republicans adults won’t.

people think of nuclear when they talk of weapons of mass destruction but hussein killed masses of Kurds without it being nuclear.

Phil – We’re in the end of times already…and we’re under the righties.
JD – Please, explain how being under McCain will be better. And what are the differences he’s planning to take compared to what we’ve tried? If this were the McCain from ’04, and he hadn’t picked Sarah Palin (nothing against her..but come on!) I probaly wouldn’t mind a McCain presidency. But at this point, it’s utterly ridiculous.
With that, I’m done. It’s always a pleasure reading the post of regular Joe’s like ourselves, even though some of the posters are pretty ignorant and lack the ability to not regurgitate every bit of stupidness they read or hear. If anything, it reveals to me just how much we give to those who have blinders on. Again, a good debate I’m always up for. The stupidness…I’ll pass.

Anyone who is still talking about ACORN is either too stupid to understand simple issues or too lazy to learn what actually happened. Honestly, do you really think Obama asked them to sign Mickey Mouse up to vote? Honestly? Come on!

Facts you know that super intelligent Michelle may have been Michelle Obama. What do you think???

Garcia,
I agree that he didn’t do the right thing. I probably wouldn’t have either, because there would be no more Afghanistan/Pakistan/Iraq etc, I would have taken the whole place out. What would we have done had it happened 1942?We cannot negotiate with terrorists…
Also, what has happened in 8 years is not all of Bush’s fault, period. The media would have you believe it though.

As a Veteran and Independent who fought beside guys who identified themselves as both dems and repubs we knew who our real enemies were. I’m not talking to those of you who are just looking for something or somebody to hate. I’m talking to those of you who know that the majority of the American people are not monolithic. As an example we may be fiscally conservative but liberal on our views about marriage rights (or vise versa).
Attack the issues not the person. Regardless who is elected remember we will have put them in office and we can take them out. We are electing a President not a King. So cool it on the hate speak. There are a lot of people in this world who want to distroy us because we are Americans. They don’t give a damm if we are dems or repubs. You may not think you have much in common with the Black guy or the White guy. But if you leave this country and and go where people are not pro America and run into another American Black or White you will quickly realize just how much you do have in common. They probably won’t even have to open their mouth and you will know they are from home.

What is this baloney about watergate and bozo the plumber? Yeah, a third-rate burglary about a third-rate clown who thinks tax cuts should only be for the rich!

BIG PICTURE-
WELL SAID MY fellow AMERICAN. Thanks for your service and intellectual suggestions and insight.
With that, good luck to the best man in Washington. Being a conservative, I surely hope that McCain/Palin are in charge!!
GOOD NIGHT and GOD BLESS all…

Why won’t Obama release his birth certificate?

There’s something very rich about Rudy Giulinani’s righteous indignation about alleged violations of Joe the Plumber’s privacy, particularly since that indignation is in support of the Republican ticket this election season.
I could have sworn it was Republicans who have, for the last 7 or 8 years in the name of national security, pushed for the wire-tapping of innocent citizens, delved into private email and Internet records, made it possible to gather intelligence in highly questionable ways, and in general been an offense to civil rights.
Hey, wait a minute! That WAS Republicans. Rudy may be dead-set on digging up some sort of dirt on how Joe Wurzelbacher’s privacy was breached. In fact, I wouldn’t put it past Giuliani or the McCain team to create false evidence of such a breach just to stir up trouble and try and divert attention from an election they’re about to lose.
The most frightening realization of all, though, is just how fast any one of the patriotically pious right-wing folks, from Giuliani to McCain to Bush to Cheney, would violate Joe W’s privac–or yours or mine or Jake Tapper’s–if it served their patriotic purpose. They’d do it in a heartbeat.

Posted by: facts don’t lie | Oct 26, 2008 4:10:12 AM
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Brother, I’m not the one running for President!
So, what me worry?
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Just face it! You can’t stop him!
I’ll tell you about it in ten days.

Posted by: J D | Oct 26, 2008 4:12:45 AM
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You missed the point! That’s how
stupid McCain is.

Hey – I don’t have any experience, never managed anyone, can I run for President like Obama??? This is such a great country LOL

” No one should be excluded. No one. ”
” NOT EVEN OBAMA!”

Kcel -
Well, you must be ultra liberal and have lots of terrorists for friends and ties to the underworld. You’ll have to pass the European litmus test. Abortion on demand has to be a high priority and you’ll have to agree to lie at every opportunity or at least give long answers that don’t make any sense and have nothing to do with the subjects you are asked about.
If you can meet all of those qualifications then I bet you have a real shot at the presidency. Oh yes, you’ll have to be approved by Oprah first.

I am white and did not vote on color…lol…but on qualifications. I refused to vote for a senile, demented, stupid, POW traitor who has no morals, no family values, and wants me to pay the same taxes as someone who makes over a quarter million $$. I do not want my health benefits taxed and I want companies rewarded for staying HERE and hiring Americans. I am SICK AND TIRED of buying all my clothes, cars and food from CHINA, Mexico, Japan, Viet Nam, Indonesia, et al, after they have poisoned my pets and are now poisoning me. Even Whiskas cat food is make in THAILAND! I want the disgraceful “Shock & Awe” war OVER and our trooops home NOW so we can stop wasting money killing/maiming another country’s children and our own. Ya want some more reasons why I voted for OBAMA???

This damages Obama’s campaign a lot. I hope he’s quickly proven innocent.

now, i am watching this from London, if the republican want to make a big deal about Joe the plumber and taxes.. it seem like the republican are the one investigating Joe the plumber and not the Obama,
accusing Obama for investigating Joe the plumber is stupid, and Mccain has sank to a new low..
what an idiot dedicating his whole campaign to Joe the plumber and not on the task of saving the American public from depression that are really important .
gee Joe the plumber must be is new best mate……

JD – Michelle revealed her agenda way back when she said this:
Michelle:
“Wow…that’s a pretty sweeping generalization about black people. It amazes me how white people are so quick to constantly make these generalizations, without thinking through the implications of such statements. “

The Real Phil – you need to check your data…. he was in the Ill senate but voted present most of the time. This 3 1/2 years in Washington…he has been running for pres for 2 years. Like I said – your one of those who can easily be suckered.

Facts – Puh-lease. Nice trick, pulling my quote out of context. Why don’t you also include what I said here:
“@facts dont lie
clearly you picked up on the sweeping generalization I made, to showcase how crazy those generlizations are right?” –Michelle
And what I responded to here:
“decided08 From your posts I am assuming you are black. One serious point I would like to make is that the majority of the black people, if you asked them to talk about how Obama stands on the issues could not talk about them because they are really voting race. I realize that there are whites for McCain in the same situation, but I believe more whites have studied the issues and could talk about them. I know that the black people are very proud of Obama but they should study the issues, too and not just base their decision on race. Do you agree? ”
–larry

Don’t you see guys. This is the last dirty trick of the republicans. Check how Reagon won the election with dirty tricks. And their is a generation inspirired by that? Remember Karl Rove? It’s all a set-up. Joe the Plumber is working for the Mc Cain campaign. The repblicans have to do some real dirty stuff, cause they know Obama is winning. And it doensn’t matter how dirty that trick. Don’t we ever learn???

Obama – the great Prophit. I bet he studied MLK in giving speaches. If you stupid people vote him in your taxes will go up and hopefully they will forclose on your home. Hell – I bet most of you are in forclosure now and are praying for an Obama miricle. He is all talk but no substance…But go ahead and pay more tax. Its patriotic…

No need to “feel” Facts, I AM.

I thought the Patriot Act made it alright to check out anyone’s files.
He has no more right to privacy than anyone else does anymore.
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Number of Operations Iraq Freedom and Enduring Freedom casualties as confirmed by U.S. Central Command: 4787

Love to see campaign in 2016 with HILLARY and Palin. Oh what a tale Hillary could tell…Obama will simply move on for another 4 years in 2012 because of the successful job he did “in the past 4 years.” (hands down) If it ain’t broken we won’t fix it. Don’t waste your campaign funds Palin. 4 years will run quick and the American people will have Palin’s campaign with Mc/Mess still tattooed in their mind. The media will be visiting the archives.
By the way, we have 9 more days to elections and there’s a lot being reported in respect to Palin/McCain in the last two days. Palin, ( as I predicted over a month ago) is finally getting smart and she finally realizes how McCain and his posse has been using her from night one at the RNC. They have allowed her to make a complete fool out of herself. Based on all the information thrown at us about Palin, one thing stuck out consistently. Palin wears the suit. Not McCain, not the RNC, not the campaign cronies are able to control Palin. McCain and Palin are having somewhat of a knockdown drag out or it will come to that in the next 9 days. She’s not listening to anyone but herself and Todd, of course. I couldn’t imagine Palin sharing the Oval office with McCain several weeks back. Palin is a strong, independent woman. McCain is from the old school. Palin is not subservient like McCain thought she would be. You have heard of cat fights.
This cat fight will be between “Man” and woman in this campaign. Palin is waking up to McNut.

Fabrication? Care to elaborate on what post bud…

Let us talk about political freedom: Citizens who exercise their 1st Amendment rights and protest against Bush, must protest in protest pits, and should they leave the protest pit to protest, they are charged with a felony and put on a national terrorist list, making it impossible for them to fly on any airlines. Or, Americans must always be aware of what they say on the telephone as Bushs people are spying on Americans. Americans no longer enjoy the constitutional right of habeas corpus due to Bush. Talk about a FASCIST POLICE STATE under the republicans!

How? by raising the taxes of the top 5% of americans while lowering the taxes of the lower 95%?
Small business’ being taxxed to death? he wants to remove the bush tax cuts, it rases the rate of tax from 33% and 36% to 36% and 39% respectively. ZOMG! 3 cents more per dollar. your taxes will go up by $300.00 for making $10,000. and thats only on the money over $250,000. seriously, do some independant research and get your head of of McSames rear.

Hey JD, I bet you still think good ole’ W is just a great president and is doing a wonderful job. I do not need 4 more years of the last 8, no thank you!!!

Is there any hope for America? When we concentrate on a guy who isn’t a plumber: who isn’t an apprentice to my knowledge but is still working as a plumber; who owes back taxes ;who doesn’t know the difference between gross receipts of 250,000 and profits of the same. Give me a break. Our news media is a joke these days. Let it rest!!!

Dear ABC, Can we PLEASE hear no more about “Joe the Plumber.” Surely somewhere in the whole world, there are more important and more significant stories to cover.

JD, sorry to set you straight, but McCain votes with Bush, check his record!

“Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and former Ohio Attorney General Betty Montgomery participated in a conference call set up by the McCain campaign to chat about this. ”
McCain is hinging everything on this guy who was nothing more than a Republican plant who can’t or won’t pay his own bills? Maybe he should be more concerned with Palin and Troopergate, Keating scandal not to mention his own voting record. Maybe if the guy worked more instead of doing talk shows he’d be able to pay his bills.

Bush has total disregard for civil liberties and has said a dictatorship would be easier. Republicans will defend wiretaps on innocent citizens including those in the military and even defend those who discuss what is discussed in the phone calls. Now whine that Joe, a celebrity at this point, has had his personal life made public???? His domestic violence charge as well as his lien is public record, just like the assessed value of one’s home it doesn’t take some covert operation to find out things. Beyond that people talk, especially angry and bitter ex’s ROFL.

So far, all insinuation and innuendo. That’s the way the GOP has tried to run the country. It’s a good thing that folks are on to them now.

Come on. Two Republican operative make a baseless accusation (Who knows?) and ABC makes this fishing expedition a top story? Slow news day or what?

To ‘me’: We’re already in a semi police state now under Bush, a Repub. Do you think it’ll be better under McCain, another Repub? I think not.

Joe The Plumber is all froth, no bubble. Not a real plumber, owes back taxes…is there anything else we should know? I wouldn’t trust him to change my pipes in a million years.

WHERE WERE MS MONTGOMERY & MR GIULIANI OUT RAGE WITH ALL THE VOTING IRREGULAITES IN OHIO & FLORIDA??? REMEMBER REPUBLICAN KEN BLACKWELL; OHIO’S SECRETARY OF STATE (IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS) AT THE TIME WAS ALSO GEORGE BUSH’S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN IN OHIO (2000 & 2004). IN 2000 MR BLACKWELL WENT TO HELP FLORIDA’S SECRETARY OF STATE KATHERINE HARRIS ( WHO JUST HAPPENED TO BE GEORGE BUSH’S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN IN FLORIDA). FUNNY THAT BOTH OHIO AND FLORIDA GAVE GEORGE BUSH THE PRESIDENCY IN 2000 & 2004!! NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE?? NO CITIZENS THAT DID NOT GET TO VOTE? NO HANGING CHADS? NO MACHINE THAT MALFUNCTIONED? (DIEBOLD) AMERICA WAKE UP FDR SAID IN 1939 “REPETITION DOES NOT TRANSFORM A LIE IN TO THE TRUTH”. THE REPUBLICANS LATELY ARE THROWING AROUND SOCIALIST & COMMUNIST RHETORIC REMEMBER AMERICA ” A LIE TOLD OFTEN ENOUGH BECOMES THE TRUTH” LENIN. MAYBE THE PALIN / MCCAIN TICKET KNOWS SOMETHING THAT THEY DONT WANT AMERICA TO KNOW?????? THE PREVIOUS QUOTE WAS NOT JOHN LENNON BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD ” GIVE PEACE A CHANCE “!!!!

Gee, I wonder if this is coming up because McCain has yet to articulate a reason that he wants to be President, other than he wants to be President?

McCain didn’t know what he needed to know before HE brought him up 50 times in the debate. John McCain made Joe the plumber a household phrase, NOT Obama. Now that it’s backfired and they didn’t vet him before they tried to use him… they want to place the blame somewhere else. McCain & Palin are the ones who tried to use0 him to their benefit. The press are the ones who investigated him. Don’t put this on Barack Obama. He just answered a question. I think “Joe” was a republican plant anyway. We’ll probably find out he’s Palin’s 10th cousin.

WHERE WERE MS MONTGOMERY & MR GIULIANI OUT RAGE WITH ALL THE VOTING IRREGULAITES IN OHIO & FLORIDA??? REMEMBER REPUBLICAN KEN BLACKWELL; OHIO’S SECRETARY OF STATE (IN CHARGE OF ELECTIONS) AT THE TIME WAS ALSO GEORGE BUSH’S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN IN OHIO (2000 & 2004). IN 2000 MR BLACKWELL WENT TO HELP FLORIDA’S SECRETARY OF STATE KATHERINE HARRIS ( WHO JUST HAPPENED TO BE GEORGE BUSH’S CAMPAIGN CHAIRMAN IN FLORIDA). FUNNY THAT BOTH OHIO AND FLORIDA GAVE GEORGE BUSH THE PRESIDENCY IN 2000 & 2004!! NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST HERE?? NO CITIZENS THAT DID NOT GET TO VOTE? NO HANGING CHADS? NO MACHINE THAT MALFUNCTIONED? (DIEBOLD) AMERICA WAKE UP FDR SAID IN 1939 “REPETITION DOES NOT TRANSFORM A LIE IN TO THE TRUTH”. THE REPUBLICANS LATELY ARE THROWING AROUND SOCIALIST & COMMUNIST RHETORIC REMEMBER AMERICA ” A LIE TOLD OFTEN ENOUGH BECOMES THE TRUTH” LENIN. MAYBE THE PALIN / MCCAIN TICKET KNOWS SOMETHING THAT THEY DONT WANT AMERICA TO KNOW?????? THE PREVIOUS QUOTE WAS NOT JOHN LENNON BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD ” GIVE PEACE A CHANCE “!!!!

m.j – Stop rehashing Old News in 2000. The Florida votes were recounted 5 different times and by a media that desperately wanted Bush to lose. Bush got more votes at every single recount and won fair and square. I was there and the votes the Dems tried to throw out were the military votes. That is undisputable. Today is 2008 and the Obama Campaign is blatantly dishonest as is the Democrat Mainstream Media. WFTV in Orlando is an exception considering their famous interview with Joe Biden.

They automatically assume it was a Democrat conspiracy. If I were running a campaign ad utilizing a private individuals particular circumstance against my opponent, I would first get a background check on that person (which includes retrieving info from all the above sources-for a price) so it doesnt backfire on me. The Reps are going down by their own hand.
—So Joe is afraid for America. Had Bush been the target of these comments of Joe the Taxevader, there would be a free vacation to the ‘Bay’..with alittle waterboarding. Meanwhile, the rest of us are going to Disney World on the 5th of Nov…..GOBAMA

Assuming that Wurzelbacher was not wanted by the police, attorney general or was not behind in child payments, it is clear that a crime exists. Since this occurred right after his famous question, is it unreasonable to assume that this crime was politically motivated. Now, which party would want to get the “goods” on Mr. Wurzelbacher? So is Guilliani’s insinuations so wild, after all? This cries out for investigation, now.

One can’t just go to the IRS and ask for someone’s tax records… it has to be a breach of confidentiality. Obama showed his true colors when he spoke to Joe the plumber. You, Tapper, want to paitn this as a right wing conspiracy. How else would you explain it. Do you think the republicans or independents are really interested in Joe’s tax records. I think not. There can only be one party who is party to this disclosure. Your bias shows a lot and you are not an objective journalist or whatever you want to call yourself.

Off the track. Off the track. Off the track. The GOP keeps wants to take things off the real issues. Millions have lost jobs and millions more will. Retirees have lost at least Two Trillion in value in retirement funds. People have lost homes, health care, pensions, the ability to afford to send their children to college/vocational school. So what do we talk about? Whether the Democrats broke into computers to see Joe the Plumber’s records. That can be investigated and taken care of, but the real issue is that people are hurting. These “off the track” things don’t do anything to help hurting people. John McCain and Sarah Palin, we don’t care about the robocalls, the accusations, the name calling using names like “socialist.” All of these are just meant to help us forget that your advisers are almost all retired lobbyists and CEOs who helped cause the economic meltdown in the first place. All of these are meant to make us forget that McCain-Gramm promoted and were in the middle of the “deregulate everything” philosophy which made the rich richer and the Middle Class jobless. Now it is time to talk about what you will do to help hurting people. John McCain and Sarah Palin, we will not allow you to get us off the track.

For those who have suggested that, for some reason, it was the Republican’s who committed this crime, let me ask how they would be able to do this by accessing a computer in the Democrat attorney generals office?
Posted by: DougBH | Oct 26, 2008 8:36:22 AM
OMG. How naive are you. The Republicans know every filty dirty tactic there is. I really hope this stunt blows up right in their pathetic faces. Of course, if it turns out it was a Republican, you will all say the media didn’t do it’s job. Nobody cares about this schmuck Joe anyhow.

Posted by: Bob Tama | Oct 26, 2008 8:49:55 AM
McCain and Bush are more like the plague. I agree they are a sickness that can’t be cured. Please get this fringe of the Republican party out of our faces once and for all.

This is getting more and more pathetic with each day that goes by… The McCain campaign is trying all the dirty tricks available to win this election, 1) William Ayers crap, 2) Joe The Plumber joke, and last but not least 3) the West Pennsylvania woman reportly being “attacked” by a black man…!!! I smell a huge desperation in the air!!! Obama/Biden!

Wow. Really jumping the gun on the speculations and accusations. Who knows why the records were accessed. Could be very legit, like the Toledo Police or Cuyahoga County had reason to be interested in him. Or it could be something really stupid, like a woman who thought Joe W was good looking, and was wondering where he lived and if he was single. Or a bored and idly curious employee. I mean, has no one ever worked in an office? To jump right out and decided “Obama!!!” is just amazingly premature. And yes, when you get thrust into the limelight, things like this happen to you – because now, every Tom, Jane, and Harry with some data access and time on their hands, knows your name.

I think the greater story is discouraging the public from asking questions of our candidates. How many of you are really confident enough to challenge either Obama or McCain on issues.
Ahh well, just a preview of coming attractions.
Welcome Third World Politics
Posted by: eddy | Oct 26, 2008 9:02:33 AM
If you have nothing to hide and you aren’t a Republican plant, what is there to worry about?
This all makes sense if you think about it. Plant Joe the Plumber, bring him up 20+ times at the debate, then accuse your opposition of accessing his records. How dumb do they really think we are? McCain is the one who kept this yahoo in the news, not Obama.

LMAO!
Let’s see…divorce judgements? Public records. Tax liens? Public records. Having a plumber license (or not having one?) Public record.
Give me 10 minutes and I can tell you what anyone in the state paid in property taxes and it is all perfectly legal information to access.
Another non-issue by the GOP blowhard party! ROFL!

Joe the plumber is not “just a guy that asked a question”. He was used as a focal point in a presidential debate. And now people are shocked some basic background info about the guy was checked.
Get real.

Same old Republican tactics, when joe the imaginary plumber is exposed with facts about joe the wannabe plumber, it’s the Dem’s fault, it’s the media’s fault.
They try to feed us a load of crap and then whine when we don’t swallow. How stupid do they think the American people are?

I can’t exhale until I hear the blissful sound of U-Hauls pulling up to White House to move Bush OUT! Let’s hope for all our sake’s Washington can stay Republican-free for not only as long as it takes to clean up the horrible mess they’ve made, but long into the future. Go Obama!!! As for the last desperate, dying gasps of the McCain camp’s efforts at slinging mud . . .I think all intelligent Americans see it for what it is. The election is over, and we all know it.

As a business owner for 30 years I flourished under Clinton and watched those profits slowly slip away under Bush.
Any smart business owner with a PLAN knows that you reinvest, it’s written off your taxes on which you pay only on your net profit.
For someone like me with a small business that grosses around $1 million annually, I never came close to falling into the top tax brackets. I live in Hawaii with mandated employee health care, a fairly high state income tax and have still managed to grow my business until Bush free trade policies eroded my marketplace with cheap unregulated products from Asia. It doesn’t matter that after the fact the government say oops, we should have had more inspectors in place..the damage was done. This one small business owner who believes in a free trade system, but in the Bush era it has been a one way street, with no checks and balances, ie. regulations…so that why its Obamba/Biden in 08, no more GOP for me.

I don’t want to hear what the “Obama campaign” is doing to this guy. He is doing it to himself. He is booking interviews with news organizations. You open yourself up to the campaign game if you do that. This guy just needs to finish his GED and move on.

Every election it’s the same thing. One party blaming another for the problems that exist in our country. This speaks to the essence of what is wrong in Washington. Everyone is there for themselves, not for their constituents. Not for the greater good. This is true from the municipal level to to Washington. All of the people around McCain and Obama are there for themselves not the candidate. They all expect that if their candidate wins there will be a big fat candy apple for them. Politics has done to our country what religion has done to God. History will tell you that. When I read the comments of others some of you actually are pretty scary. A lot of you sound like nutbags. It’s the rare occasion when I run into someone who really understands what’s going on. It’s personal greed and selfishness that has put us where we are not the politicians. Maybe if we cut up alot of our credit cards and saved a little money, things would be much different. Elections have become little more than organized arguments. Look at the lengths people are willing to go to
just to win an argument. The truth is both parties are to blame for our current mess. I believe Bush has made mistakes, but I also believe congress has made even more. It’s funny; Obama wants change and McCain wants reform. Aren’t they the same? Every candidate who’s run for something has promised the same thing……change! Funny thing is nothing changes. It’s like a bad Broadway play….. the cast changes from time to time but the story is the same and so is the ending. Politics brings out the worst in us not the best. Nothing will change in Washington or at State or even municipal levels until government actually does what’s best. Unfortunately, I don’t see that happening. A good start would be the press becoming neutral. That include the PAC also known as CNN and Time magazine. I could go on but I’m getting sick to my stomach.

Guiliani is just mad because Bloomberg got approval to run for a third term because this financial crisis is obviously a much bigger deal in NY then the 9-11 crisis was.
It may even take Obama 3 or 4 terms to get us out of the Bush mess.

Chris,
You are grasping there. The disclosure of Joe’s personal information is simply an attempt to smear him. It is political retribution because he dared to question “The One”. That liberal minded people can’t see this and do not support the privacy rights of Joe is testament to the Hypocrisy of the left and the media and investigative silence in this regard is deafening. Imagine if you don’t Agree with Obama, will you be investigated? Will you be accused of being Racist, or Bigot or of hate crimes? What a way to shut down free speech in America. I am sure even some liberals must see this as dangerous precedent. But who knows they may turn a blind eye because its their guy. Zieg Heil Obama.

Chris – I heard that those people yelling at the Palin rallies were actually plants from the Democrats put there to discredit the Republicans.

Obey – don’t question, just Obey. That way your tax records will remain private and your reputation intact.