McCain Encourages Supporters to ‘Stand up and Fight’
ABC News’ Bret Hovell, Imtiyaz Delawala, Ron Claiborne, and Richard Coolidge Report: John McCain launched a new campaign speech at a joint rally with Sarah Palin today in Virginia Beach, VA, stumping in a red state he was not expecting to have to defend this late in the calendar year.
McCain sounded generally positive tones, drawing mainly policy distinctions with Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee.
“I’ve been fighting for this country since I was seventeen years old, and I have the scars to prove it,” McCain said. “If I’m elected President, I will fight to take America in a new direction from my first day in office until my last. I’m not afraid of the fight, I’m ready for it.”
McCain didn’t announce any new themes or programs, but emphasized what he would do as president, and how it would differ from Obama’s plans.
“If I’m elected President, I won’t spend nearly a trillion dollars more of your money, on top of the $700 billion we just gave the Treasury Secretary, as Senator Obama proposes,” McCain said as the crowd started chanting “No-Bama, No-Bama.”
The new tack comes in stark contrast to speeches he gave all of last week. Starting last Monday – with the debut of the last incarnation of McCain’s stump speech – McCain hammered Obama as an untested and untenable choice for president, frequently voicing the refrain: “Who is Barack Obama?”
All last week the campaign received criticism that it was riling up crowds and fostering fear amongst the base. By Friday evening, at a town hall meeting in Lakeville, MN, McCain was in a position of defending his opponent from his own supporters.
In Monday’s revised speech, the Republican nominee stressed his experience for job.
“The next President won’t have time to get used to the office,” McCain said. “He won’t have, he won’t have the luxury of studying up on the issues before he acts. He will have to act immediately.”
And he gave his supporters his assessment of where the race stands politically.
“Let me give you the state of the race today and some straight talk. We have 22 days to go. We’re six points down. The national media has written us off,” McCain said, evoking boos when referencing the press. (An ABC News/Washington Post poll out Monday morning has McCain trailing by ten points.)
Gov. Sarah Palin, of Alaska, introduced McCain, and seemed to try to redirect some of the anger supporters were expressing last week to the financial mess on Wall Street and insider dealing in Washington.
“"We know all across America right now there is a lot of anger,” Palin said. “There is anger about the insider dealings of lobbyists and anger about the greed on Wall Street and anger about the arrogance of the Washington elite and anger about voter fraud. America–America, let John McCain turn that anger into action!"
McCain concluded his remarks extolling the crowd to stand with him.
“Stand up, stand up and fight,” McCain said. “America is worth fighting for. Nothing is inevitable here. We never give up. We never quit. We never hide from history. We make history.”
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How does instructing his supporters to “stand up and fight” while still asking incendiary questions about Obama tone the extreme rhetoric down?
Jeffrey Goldberg with The Atlantic makes an interesting analogy:
In the months before Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated, he was the target of numerous vitriolic demonstrations, during which he was labeled a liar, a traitor, and a coddler of terrorists. Bibi Netanyahu, his opponent at the time, did little, or nothing, to tamp down the anger of the crowds. We know how that story ended. Those demonstrations, and the anger hurled at Rabin, created the climate for what might be considered the worst day in Israeli history, and one from which the country has not recovered.
John McCain did the right thing by calling out demonstrators and defending Barack Obama’s decency last week. But we should see that continually. And Sen. McCain, how about instructing your running mate on the fundamentals of decency as well? I’m not suggesting something terrible is in the offing. But the anger of these crowds is a dangerous thing to democracy. Thank God, if nothing else, for the United States Secret Service.
Posted by: Mitch | October 13, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/biden/bidenorg.html
Key People-Sen. Joe Biden (D-DE)
“Deputy Political Director Muthoni Wambu Former AFL-CIO PAC Coordinator. In 2000 Wambu joined with Vera Baker to form Baker Wambu & Associates, a political fund-raising firm.”
How’s her parnter doing Joe? Is this somehow tied to why Clinton was snubbed for Joe and his 9,000 votes?
Posted by: geevill | October 13, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm
The best thing Ole McCain could do is shut the hell up for the last 3 weeks. Every time he opens his mouth he hurts himself. Maybe that’s what he means about fighting, fighting himself and his erratic actions.
Posted by: JR | October 13, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm
This is an old speech. It was no more impressive last month.
Posted by: bubba | October 13, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Who can stand up… he is so busy spinning. No one knows what direction he is going in minute to minute….Empty Suites….
It will be a very very long time before I vote for a Republican. H*ll will probably freeze over…
Posted by: becky | October 13, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
you are history Mccain. Even your dad and grandpa can’t help you out of this one. har har
Posted by: lvas | October 13, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Get up, stand up, stand up for your rights!
Who ever thought John McCain would be paraphrasing Bob Marley, lol!
Posted by: Mortimer Snerd | October 13, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
McCain’s tired old rhetoric. It’s not about fighting. It’s about taxes, healthcare, education, Iraq etc
Majority of Americans agree w/ Obama positions on these issues.
Posted by: Vanessa | October 13, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm
Meet John McCain radical right-wing pals
Gordon Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972 Republican National Convention
Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show
during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled “John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07″ includes a
discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an “old friend.” During the segment, McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles
and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was “proud” of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.
Posted by: kawasaki | October 13, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
Meet other McCain radical right-wing pals.
This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about
McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing
organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra
scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this
organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League the parent organization which ADL said has increasingly become a gathering
place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.
Posted by: kawasaki | October 13, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
He knows how to win in Iraq
He knows how to get Bin Laden
He knows how to fix the economy
He knows how to win an election
Gimmicks First – Palin McCain 2012
Posted by: billy smith | October 13, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
Agree with billy – if McCain knows how to fix it and do all this stuff, hasn’t he already had his chance? What’s he waiting for? Will he hold back on this crucial information if he doesn’t win the Presidency?
And when will Palin ever say anything that is not an insult or meaningless platitude? Does she have any constructive ideas at all?
Posted by: MIguy | October 13, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
I can’t believe ANY Obama supporter would dare say anything, considering just last month Obama told his supporters to argue with McCain supporters, get in their face…a little different than stand up and fight for your rights.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 13, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm
In these trying times–two wars and economic collapse–who would vote for someone with no experience who hides his past?
Posted by: tina | October 13, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
Forget Ayers or Wright or Rezko. These are in fact the people with whom Barack Obama worked to change Chicago into what it is today. He can defend these people, he can even apologize for having once advanced their agendas, but to deny that he’s ever served their cause is dishonest, and to hide behind the economic fiasco of our day is cowardly and devoid of the dignity of the office which he seeks. Personally, I think who Sen. Obama chooses to ally himself with for political and personal gain are fair-game, but if he wants to exploit the financial crisis and use it to call everything else “smears” or “distractions,” we’ll beat him there. Sen. McCain has the courage and track record to win on the topic, any topic, of the opponents choosing. When all was going swell in Afghanistan and terribly in Iraq, the Democratic party said, “no talking about Afghanistan, only Iraq!” and McCain won; the surge he proposed since 2003 worked. Sen. Obama says that well it didn’t, it was designed to foster political reconcilliation, and it hasn’t. But it has! Sunni Awakening Councils are killing Al Qaeda terrorists who claim to be Sunni, and the Shiite government is killing Iranian backed Sadrist millitias who claim to be Shia. That’s political reconcilliation; you see, in the war on terror, there are no Sunni and Shia, only the forces of good, freedom, and democracy against the forces of evil, tyrrany, and terrorism. When the Democratic caucus made oil an issue and tried to fault McCain for the high price of oil, he proposed lifting the drilling moratorium, pushed it through Congress, and now oil has dropped almost 50%.
In today’s financial crisis, there are villains. Former CEOs of Fannie and Freddie like Franklin Raines and Jim Johnson wrote themselves compensation policies that paid them just for writing loans, getting money out the door with utter disregard for whether or not his government-run quasi-company will get it returned. What he did was wrong and selfish, but it wasn’t illegal; we don’t throw people in jail for just wrong and selfish deeds. In fact, what they did was encouraged, no… required by the government. You see, there’s a regulation in the books, it’s called the Community Reinvestment Act, signed by Pres. Carter and augmented by Pres. Clinton. What it did was create the sub-prime mortgage by saying that commercial banks can’t discriminate on whether or not a borrower can pay that money back.
Sen. McCain knew the trouble that was brewing; it’s well documented. He spoke on the Senate floor and co-sponsored S.190 in 2005 to rein in Fannie and Freddie. He wrote a letter, signed by two dozen fellow Senators who happened to all be Republicans, to the Senate leadership to rein in Fannie and Freddie, or face potential collapse, so be ready for it. But the Senate did nothing. They must have thought his sounding of the alarm was… “erratic.” I don’t know why they did nothing. Maybe Senate Banking Chairman Dodd was in the tank for Fannie and Freddie, because they stuffed his tip-jar silly with the highest campaign contribution in Fannie and Freddie history. Maybe House Banking Chairman Frank was in bed with Fannie and Freddie, too. Maybe Sen. Obama’s handlers from Fannie and Freddie told him not to. I don’t know and I don’t care, what’s important is Sen. McCain was right, and everyone who disagreed with him, Democrat or Republican, was wrong.
ACORN is an evil organization. It’s history of attempted electoral fraud is well documented, not just by the partisans, but by the hostile media as well. It lobbied at branch managers homes if their branch was seen as peddling insufficient sub-prime loans. It raucussed in branch lobbies if they thought that branch wasn’t making enough loans to people who couldn’t pay it back. Why, at the height of this financial crisis, did the majority caucusses tried to inject a $300M a year every year slush fund to ACORN, is a mystery to me. Sen. McCain was right, this was an emergency, and there was no consensus. He went back to Washington to tell the oppossition party, “What do we have to do to get this non-sense out of the bill?” Instead of giving ACORN $832K, it would have been nice had Sen. Obama went back and told his party, “Get this garbage out of here,” too. But I guess he liked the slush-fund, or maybe he saw the crisis as a non-emergency, or maybe he though actually acting on the crisis would be… “erratic.”
You see, the problem with the sub-prime mortgage is, in and of itself, unfair. Do you think the billionaire CEOs were taking money out of their pocket to house people who can’t afford their own homes? Of course not. Do you think the super-rich paid for the houses of those who couldn’t afford their own houses? Of course not. Like Barack Obama, who lives in a $2M house he bought for $1.5M, he made $4M last year! They pay cash up-front; no mortgages, just 15,000 Benjamin Franklins. The people who subsidize subprime mortgages are the hardworking, tax-paying middle class Americans, who have to pay a higher interest rate to make up for the toxic sub-prime loans. In and of itself, I guess it’s fine. For the banks, it’s a cost of business. For the hard-working, tax-paying middle-class, it’s the price we pay for living in a socialist democracy. But it doesn’t end there; it didn’t end there. Sub-prime mortgages took the bottom out of our banking industry, trillions of dollars evaporated, banks closed, and businesses are shutting their doors. The fat-cat CEOs aren’t hurting, they’ve got their bonusses. The sub-prime borrowers aren’t hurting. They’re getting kicked out of homes they never were supposed be in in the first place anyways, and lay-offs don’t affect them either. Who is really getting hurt are the hardworking middle-class Americans who played by the rules, paid their taxes, and lived within their means. They bought a house they can afford, took out a mortgage payment they can meet, and for all their trouble, they lose their jobs.
Posted by: Obamacrat for McCain | October 13, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm
Go McCain! McCain speaks the truth, while I know he has never painted his logo over the American flag, or blinded people with the glare from his halo, he is the man to get this country (not Africa) back in shape!
Posted by: dilligaf | October 13, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Missouri Obmna 51 McCain 43?
Posted by: Thinking | October 13, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
McCain is just a very old man that has nothing but one liners which are meaningless and mostly incendiary. The country will be better off without him and his wooden puppet Palin. Both Palin and McCain have been behaving like White Supremests of the first order. Hope they lose by many votes. The Nation needs a Presidential ticket that unites the nation, not divide it with anger, hatred, and racism. Enough of these two dufus people!
Posted by: Lawrence | October 13, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
More fighting? Really? More fighting? Personally, I’m tired of fighting; everyone I know is tired of all the fighting; and not only that, we are tired of hearing about fighting from McCain. How about some fixing, instead of fighting?
Obama/Biden ’08
Posted by: BMS in NC | October 13, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Senator Mccain we are sir we are gonna stand up and fight to make sure Senator obama becomes president thanks sir!
Posted by: angie | October 13, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Obamacrat for McCain | Oct 13, 2008 1:34:18 PM
There is a terrific photo of McCain at an ACORN event posted at Politico.
Posted by: Paige | October 13, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm
Gee Evil,
When are you going to stop eating the sour grapes?
At this rate I am sure you have already found the rope and tree from where you will dangle after McNasty loses.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 13, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
I have found it to be true! While most conservitive republicans vote based on facts. The Dem’s do things based on feelings. I think I’ll stick to the facts. Look out Obama! Cause the MCCAIN TRAIN just smoked thru your block!! That’s what happens when you back a great fighter into the corner!
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm
Obama/Biden vs McCain/Palin, what if things were switched around?
…..think about it.
Would the country’s collective point of view be different? Could racism be the culprit?
Ponder the following:
What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?
What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review?
What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?
What if McCain had only married once and Obama was a divorcee?
What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards?
What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married?
What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization?
What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?
What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.)
What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker?
What if Obama couldn’t read from a teleprompter?
What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes?
What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem?
What if Michelle Obama’s family had made their money from first bootlegging, the legit beer distribution?
What if the Obamas had adopted a white child?
You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?
This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.
Educational Background:
Barack Obama: Columbia University – B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude
Joseph Biden: University of Delaware – B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)
Vs
John McCain: United States Naval Academy – Class rank: 894 of 899
Posted by: Prevere | October 13, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
McCain hammered Obama as an untested and untenable choice for president, frequently voicing the refrain: “Who is Barack Obama
********************************************
John McCain and Sarah Palin have both been tested and have both FAILED!
Who is this John McCain, the President wanna be of 2008?
According to quite a few of his colleagues, he is a VERY different person that they knew in 2000 and they are now asking that question themselves.\
Who is John McCain?
Who is Sarah palin?
We have gotten quite a glimpse and what we have seen so far ain’t pretty.
Posted by: Truth Matters | October 13, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Good Stuff!!!!!!
During the Democratic primaries, Roland Martin wrote a column for CNN.com about how easy it is for any candidate to tar and feather another about their associations with less-than-acceptable figures.
Sen. Hillary Clinton tried to blast Sen. Barack Obama for unsolicited comments made by Nation of Islam leader Minister Louis Farrakhan, and folks like Fox News’ Sean Hannity were happy to run with it, saying it was evidence that the junior senator from Illinois was unfit to be president.
But critics like Hannity never bothered to raise the issue of former Republican vice-presidential candidate Jack Kemp praising Farrakhan for his focus on self-help. Not only that, nearly everyone in the media was afraid to bring up the fact that Pennsylvania Gov. Ed Rendell had high praise for Farrakhan when Rendell was mayor of Philadelphia, even as the Muslim leader sat just 20 feet away!
Again, blasting one person’s associations can come back to bite you.
We now see Gov. Sarah Palin and the McCain campaign trying to stir the pot by invoking William Ayers, a 1960s radical who was a major figure in the Weather Underground, a group that bombed the Pentagon and committed other unspeakable acts of terrorism against their own country.
Palin has been hammering home the point on the campaign trail that Obama and Ayers were friends, “palling around” the Windy City, even though the Weather Underground committed these crimes when Obama was just a child. And never mind the fact that Ayers and Obama were involved in a multimillion-dollar education grant that was funded by a right-wing Republican, media magnate Walter Annenberg. Do you hear any of them castigating this late Republican pillar?
The McCain camp, along with their right-wing media comrades, want to convince you that Obama should not have decided to serve with Ayers, who was named the Citizen of the Year in Chicago in 1987 for his education work, and who is a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.
Now, if someone was seen as an acceptable figure by business, political and education figures, many of whom support both Democrats and Republicans, should Obama be faulted for sitting on a board with the guy?
So, let’s use that same logic and apply it to McCain.
Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., a Democrat from Chicago who serves as one of the national co-chairs for Obama, told me on The Tom Joyner Morning Show that if we are to use the association tag as evidence of a candidate being unfit for president, what about McCain serving and working alongside people with virulent bigoted pasts like Sens. Jesse Helms, Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd?
Do we have evidence that these individuals committed specific acts against African-Americans during Jim Crow? No. But we do know that their hateful words, and willingness to uphold laws that were absolutely anti-American, did not represent the best of this nation.
Thurmond ran for president as a Dixiecrat in 1948 with a platform of maintaining segregation. Based on Helms’ policies, he didn’t see blacks as full Americans.
Bombing the Pentagon is horrible and indefensible. But declaring yourself a patriot while you speak such hateful and venomous words against your own countrymen, who just happen to be black, and then trying to oppress them, is just as indefensible.
So, did McCain work with them? Did he not speak with them? Should McCain have declared that he would not work alongside these men because of their past? Should the self-described maverick who believes in integrity and character have taken the honorable stance of resigning from the Senate to protest these hateful characters serving in the U.S. Senate?
No. And this is why this association argument is so weak and impotent.
For goodness’ sakes, Byrd was once a member of the Ku Klux Klan, a domestic terrorist organization!
Now, if Ayers was involved in these despicable acts today — or Byrd and his late Senate colleagues — then it is fair game.
But no candidate should have to be held responsible for the actions of someone else that took place years ago.
He fundamentally believes that this is nothing but a smokescreen and effort to ignore the real issues we face. Nobody should care about any of this when they are losing their jobs and having their homes foreclosed and finding themselves unable to afford to send their kids to college and to get access to health care.
What he found to be more deplorable is to hear McCain advisers say they want to turn the page to anything but the issue number one — the economy.
If that kind of talk is coming from the camp of a guy who wants to be president, then that is something to be afraid of — not a candidate’s association with Ayers, or Thurmond, Helms or Byrd.
Posted by: Your Guide | October 13, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
Obama’s 95% illusion!!
One of Barack Obama’s most potent campaign claims is that he’ll cut taxes for no less than 95% of “working families.” He’s even promising to cut taxes enough that the government’s tax share of GDP will be no more than 18.2% — which is lower than it is today.
APIt’s a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he’s also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of “tax cut.”
For the Obama Democrats, a tax cut is no longer letting you keep more of what you earn. In their lexicon, a tax cut includes tens of billions of dollars in government handouts that are disguised by the phrase “tax credit.” Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand no fewer than seven such credits for individuals:
- A $500 tax credit ($1,000 a couple) to “make work pay” that phases out at income of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple.
- A $4,000 tax credit for college tuition.
- A 10% mortgage interest tax credit (on top of the existing mortgage interest deduction and other housing subsidies).
- A “savings” tax credit of 50% up to $1,000.
- An expansion of the earned-income tax credit that would allow single workers to receive as much as $555 a year, up from $175 now, and give these workers up to $1,110 if they are paying child support.
- A child care credit of 50% up to $6,000 of expenses a year.
- A “clean car” tax credit of up to $7,000 on the purchase of certain vehicles.
Here’s the political catch. All but the clean car credit would be “refundable,” which is Washington-speak for the fact that you can receive these checks even if you have no income-tax liability. In other words, they are an income transfer — a federal check — from taxpayers to nontaxpayers. Once upon a time we called this “welfare,” or in George McGovern’s 1972 campaign a “Demogrant.” Mr. Obama’s genius is to call it a tax cut.
The Tax Foundation estimates that under the Obama plan 63 million Americans, or 44% of all tax filers, would have no income tax liability and most of those would get a check from the IRS each year. The Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis estimates that by 2011, under the Obama plan, an additional 10 million filers would pay zero taxes while cashing checks from the IRS.
The total annual expenditures on refundable “tax credits” would rise over the next 10 years by $647 billion to $1.054 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center. This means that the tax-credit welfare state would soon cost four times actual cash welfare. By redefining such income payments as “tax credits,” the Obama campaign also redefines them away as a tax share of GDP. Presto, the federal tax burden looks much smaller than it really is.
The political left defends “refundability” on grounds that these payments help to offset the payroll tax. And that was at least plausible when the only major refundable credit was the earned-income tax credit. Taken together, however, these tax credit payments would exceed payroll levies for most low-income workers.
It is also true that John McCain proposes a refundable tax credit — his $5,000 to help individuals buy health insurance. We’ve written before that we prefer a tax deduction for individual health care, rather than a credit. But the big difference with Mr. Obama is that Mr. McCain’s proposal replaces the tax subsidy for employer-sponsored health insurance that individuals don’t now receive if they buy on their own. It merely changes the nature of the tax subsidy; it doesn’t create a new one.
There’s another catch: Because Mr. Obama’s tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, they impose a huge “marginal” tax rate increase on low-income workers. The marginal tax rate refers to the rate on the next dollar of income earned. As the nearby chart illustrates, the marginal rate for millions of low- and middle-income workers would spike as they earn more income.
Some families with an income of $40,000 could lose up to 40 cents in vanishing credits for every additional dollar earned from working overtime or taking a new job. As public policy, this is contradictory. The tax credits are sold in the name of “making work pay,” but in practice they can be a disincentive to working harder, especially if you’re a lower-income couple getting raises of $1,000 or $2,000 a year. One mystery — among many — of the McCain campaign is why it has allowed Mr. Obama’s 95% illusion to go unanswered
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
billy smith, you said,
“He knows how to fix the economy
He knows how to win an election”
You were close, but it should be,
-He knows how to fix an election.-
I do agree with McCain, I will stand and fight. But it’s to make sure Obama wins. We don’t need any more ethics violators in the White House.
Posted by: The Unshrub | October 13, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
McCain really speaks to the heart of every racist! See how they throw in the Africa thing, with their praise of McCain in comments on this blog. They show up at campaign rallies(more like KKK rallies) with monkey dolls with sticker of Obama on them, they yell kill him, go back to africa, hang him, racist names, they spread rumors and false emails because they fear what is different from them. If you think they are only racist towards Obama, think again, they are scared of anyone who speaks against this hatred they spread to try to keep their place (as they see it) in history, Republicans will go down in history as racist thanks to the tactics of the Mccain campaign. McCain campaign has lit the fire of all the racists hiding under the rocks and behind the cross of religion. The campaign has destroy McCain’s honor and Palin has turned him in to a poster for racism. They have invited these type of people and now those people are more representing the party then conservative views! The time has come to change our country from petty, ignorant, selfish views and get the country on the road to greatness and they only way to get there is to speak out against the now Republican view and take up with the Democratic view. Vote out every republican running for re-election or election, make a stance and let them know the time has come to move forward for all, either get on board or get the hell out of the way!
Posted by: Former Republican | October 13, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
the NEW Republican party has a NEW platform—-ANGER.
That is all they can talk about —ANGER, FEAR, HATE AND MORE ANGER.
THIS IS SICK, AMERICA. REJECT THIS EXTREMIST RADICAL NEW GOP.
ANGRY HATE-SPITTING MOBS—is that REALLY what mccain thinks this country wants and needs? more ANGER??????????
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
Obama on T.V. right now asking his supporters to “Organize” with him.
Great choice of words there.
Posted by: Lee | October 13, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
I don’t get this “White Supremeness” label that obolony followers are trying to pin on the hero John McCain. When you have a black person running with 99.9% of blacks worshiping at his feet, then yes, of course, color is going to be missing from the hero John McCain’s rally’s, duh! When the winds shift against obolony he will be a muslim, again? As always. When obolony loses, poor little michelle won’t be proud of American again..so sad. Obolony coined the phrase “typical white person” that is the racist, supremeness remark that gets ignored.
Posted by: dilligaf | October 13, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Barack Hussein Obama II
By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author
It has been asserted by a number of sources, including Andy Martin, that Barack Hussein Obama was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in Hawaii. Philip Berg’s Latest Motion to the Court is more explicit since it gives an exact Place of Birth. I must assume that Berg did not simply pluck the Location out of thin air, Mombasa has more than one Hospital, though Coast Provincial General was the best in 1961.
British Birth Certificates have a Standard Format which has been more or less the same since 1837 and they can only be challenged in a British Court. Kenyan Law is explicit and can only be challenged in a Kenyan Court.
Indonesian Law is explicit and can only be challenged in an Indonesian Court. Be clear, if Obama was born in Kenya this is not simply a matter for the US Courts, or US Law.
If he was born in Kenya, and his parents were Legally Married [which on the Preponderance of Evidence they were, his father's first "Marriage" being a Tribal, or Village, Marriage, which was not Legally Recognized] due to the age of his mother he would NOT have been a US Citizen. The Immigration and Nationality Act 1952, 8 U.S.C. 1401. Sec. 301 (g) [Effective November 14, 1986] does not apply, nor does Title III, Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409].
Unless he has taken the Oath of Allegiance as a Naturalized Citizen since he was 18 years old, and if he was born in Mombasa, Kenya, Barack Hussein Obama II would not be a US Citizen, period. The issue of whether or not he was Natural Born under Article II of the Constitution of the United States would cease to matter and he would need to be Deported as an Illegal Alien.
Impeachment as a Senator would seem not to be necessary since he would never Legally have been one, but Diane Feinstein and the members of the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee would be liable to Impeachment. So would their opposite numbers in the Illinois Senate and the appropriate officials of the Illinois State Supreme Court and Bar, so far as I can see.
If Senator Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7.24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was. Philip J Berg, Esq, is correct, under the Nationality Act of 1940, as Revised June 1952 and in accord with United States of America vs Cervantes-Nava 281 F 3d 501 (2002) and Drozd vs INS, 155 F 3d 81, 85-88 (2d Circuit 1998) Senator Barack Hussein Obama II would not ever have been a Legal US Citizen at all, unless he was Naturalized.
If he was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya any Certificate, or Certification of Live Birth, issued for him by the State of Hawaii is a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. At Birth he would have been a UK and Colonies Citizen and in accord with the Kenyan Constitution he would have become a Kenyan Citizen in December 1963. He would not have been a US Citizen.
Alternatively, his UK and Colonies Birth Certificate issued in Mombasa in August 1961 could be a Fraudulent and Illegal Document. The two BCs would need to be compared. By this I mean the Original Vault Copy of the Hawaiian Birth Certificate and not the Amended, Post Adoption, Copy, Legally available to the Senator, assuming he was, as indicated by the Preponderance of Evidence, Adopted by Lolo Soetoro. This case might also need to go through the UK and Kenyan Courts and becomes a Matter of International Law and Controversy.
If Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, it is certain that he is not Eligible to hold the Offices of POTUS or VPOTUS and highly probable that he is not Legally entitled to hold the Office of Senator either and that he was not Eligible to be an Illinois State Senator.
In that event the Senate Ethics and Rules Committee, Chair Diane Feinstein, have a problem because they are responsible for the Certification of a Candidate’s Compliance with Constitutional Requirements, a job they would have conspicuously failed to do. Should he be Elected the poisoned Chalice would pass to Nancy Pelosi because as Speaker of the House she, and the House, have the Responsibility to ensure that the President Elect can Effectively be Sworn In and Legally Assume the Office and Duties of the President.
Be very clear here, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born at The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, Diane Feinstein’s Committee have already failed in their Duty, as has every Secretary of State in the Union.
Let me repeat myself, if Barack Hussein Obama II was born in The Coast Provincial General Hospital at Mombasa in Kenya at 7:24 PM on August 4th 1961, or at any other time, he is not a Natural Born Citizen of these United States and he never was, he is not even a Citizen by Birth. I had assumed ab initio that Obama was born in Hawaii and that his Hawaiian Paperwork was basically “on the up and up”, I could not conceive that a lie of this magnitude was possible, I thought that the INS would have caught on long since. If he is a US Citizen under these circumstances his Oath of Allegiance must be on Record somewhere. If it isn’t he is not a US Citizen.
Hawaii may Legally be able to Issue a Birth Certificate under these circumstances, according to their own Code, but it would breach of International and Federal Law if they have. It would breach Hawaiian Law if the Place of Birth is spurious.
“[§338-17.8] Certificates for children born out of State. (a) Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
(b) Proof of legal residency shall be submitted to the director of health in any manner that the director shall deem appropriate. The director of health may also adopt any rules pursuant to chapter 91 that he or she may deem necessary or proper to prevent fraudulent applications for birth certificates and to require any further information or proof of events necessary for completion of a birth certificate.”
So by that section he could get a certificate claiming Hawaiian birth even if he was physically born outside the US but the Place of Birth would need to be correctly recorded.
Understand, the Hawaiian Authorities may be able to Issue a Hawaiian Birth Certificate under these circumstances but they cannot make you a US Citizen. A child born in Kenya to and underage US Female and a UK and Colonies Citizen in 1961 was not born a US Citizen under any US Federal Law, under British Law, or International Law. The only way such an Individual could be a US Citizen in terms of the XIVth Amendment, or any Statute, or Code of US Federal Law is by Naturalization.
Under Common Law no Person can Testify as to their own Place of Birth, this is established Law upheld by stare decisis. Therefore it would be possible, even given the he was born in Kenya, for Obama to claim that he believed a Hawaiian Birth Certificate made him a US Citizen under the XIVth Amendment and that therefore he was acting in Good Faith running for an Office which he was Constitutionally Incapable of Holding. Unfortunately for him, his actions in regard to the Admission of his UK & Colonies and Kenyan Citizenships and his Indonesian Citizenship by Adoption, his frequent apparent Breaches of the Logan Act, his probable breaches of the Hobbs Act, the Hatch Act, USC Title 18 Part One Chapter 63 § 1346 and the RICO Statute make this Defense wholly Untenable, especially when one considers the fact that he holds a JD from Harvard Law. One may throw in the Misprision Statute for good measure. It is difficult to find any action or statement of Obama’s since 1992 that could be used to suggest Good Faith could be used as a Defense in this Case. I am not saying that Obama is Guilty of any of these Felonies or High Misdemeanors, only that his actions and pronouncements are such as to lead to a reasonable suspicion that he may be.
Under INA §349 “2. taking an oath or making an affirmation or other formal declaration of allegiance to a foreign state or a political subdivision thereof after having attained the age of eighteen years.” This is an “Expatriating Clause”, if you hold Dual Citizenship and do this you void your US Citizenship. Well Obama campaigned actively for Odinga in Kenya and apparently also took some kind of Luo Tribal Loyalty Oath. He may also have joined Odinga’s party. Of course his Dual Nationality lapsed in 1982 but INA §349 could, perhaps, still apply here, if he was born in Mombasa. It might even be concluded that Obama was providing grounds to restore his Kenyan Citizenship by Prime Ministerial Decree, which is Legal under the Kenyan Constitution. That would certainly look Expatriating to me, but I do not know how a Court would react.
There is indirect reason to believe that this may be true. “2d Session S. RES. 511: Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.: In the Senate of the United States.” was Sponsored by Senator McCaskill and co-sponsored by Senators Leahy, Obama, Coburn, Clinton and Webb. Why? Why were Democratic Senators trying to pass a Resolution making Senator McCain undoubtedly Legally Eligible when this issue had already been cleared up in 2000 and again in 2004? And why did Senators McCaskill and Obama reportedly insert the following Clause?
“Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;”
This Clause has no particular relevance to McCain and the following Clause, which it is reported McCaskill and Obama attempted to REMOVE shows that:
“; and Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936:”
It seems clear that McCaskill and Obama were attempting to create a blanket Resolution covering ALL Foreign Born candidates. Why do that if not to benefit a Foreign Born Democratic Candidate, who did not have a US Military background?
McCain did not need this resolution, Richardson did not need this Resolution, so far as I can see nobody needed this Resolution unless somebody in the race was born outside the USA and was “Covering his/her Ass” and the only individual in the race that that could apply to was Senator Obama! This in turn would show that the Senator is a liar who has been peddling untruths about his birth for at least 16 years!
Likewise it would explain why Michelle Obama tried trawling the “very single mother” canard. Were he illegitimate there is precedent and Statute that says if his parents were unmarried at the time of his birth he would have become a Citizen of the USA at Birth under Title III of the Immigration and Nationality Act Section 309. [8 U.S.C. 1409]. However, as Miller v Albright, 523 US 420 (1998) demonstrates there is, and was, a split in the Supreme Court as to whether this Law is in fact Constitutional under the XIVth Amendment. A new case might change the precedent. For now it stands.
I do not insist that any of this is true and to me it makes little difference if it is, I hold him Ineligible anyway and have seen no solid Legal Rebuttal of my view from any source, but if he was born in Kenya he has, and can have, no defense of any description and any Document he has from Hawaii is Fraudulent on several levels. To hold the Office of POTUS one must be a Natural Born United States Citizen, if he was born in Mombasa Obama probably isn’t even a United States Citizen much less Natural Born. He would be guilty of Fraud and a list of other offenses and any and all persons who had aided him would be guilty of Misprision, in all probability.
Source: http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2008/10/11/obama-born-in-kenya-new-information/
Posted by: Judah Benjamin | October 13, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Maybe they should go to chicago and burn a cross in Obama’s yard, seems like that’s what Mclames supporters want him to do anyway.
Posted by: Joe | October 13, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
The Unshrub,
Your an goofball! Your friends at Acorn are the ones trying to fix an election! And they are supposed to be a non-partisan group yet they have people on the ground in Ohio trying to recruit voters and telling them who they are supporting. Please get your facts straight.
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
ok McDracula you must know you would by
now make GW. Bush Look Good for
another 8 Years…. You have given the
Late Night Shows enough to joke about
for Years .. But My Friend in about
20 days Time for your BS is UP.
and it will not be funny… But I am
Going to see if I can not get you
appointed US. Ambassador to Iraq
with your Experience you my friend
are the Man I want to see in
Iraq for 50 make it 100 Years…….
Posted by: Anita Yova | October 13, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Even Karl Rove is saying Obam is going to win the election and electoral vote. GO OBAMA!
http://www.congratstothewinners.com/2008/10/karl-rove-obama-has-electoral.html
Posted by: FriendlyFred | October 13, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
HEY CAN SOMEONE TELL ME WHO SAID THIS ON THE SENATE FLOOR?????
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 13, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
mccain and palin are the ultimate bullies….
HATE ANGER HATE ANGER HATE ANGER
Their constant message and theme is
HATE ANGER AND MORE HATE ANGER….
THIS IS FRIGHTENING AND
it will most certainly motivate Obama supporters….the GOP has gone MAD… and dangerous… with ANGER
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
This is an admirable effort to cleanse the palate of voters still concerned with McCain’s initial denials of an economic crisis, but where are the optimistic plans to implement “change” and turn things around?
Just stating that America is “strong” and will somehow get over it is not good enough for voters bombarded with proposals from Obama that are getting more specific every day.
http://www.political-buzz.com/
Posted by: matt | October 13, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Here is the facts on mccains healtcare policy
Under a Mccain Administration we may end up losing our health Insurance that our Employers provide, Mccain wants to treat the Health Insurance Industry like the banking Free market with no regulation,Yes he will provide a 5000 dollar tax credit but that does not go to us but the Insurance compaines, He also proposes TO TAX US ON OUR HEALTH INSURANCE that is provided to us from our employers as if it were INCOME so yes he stating a tax break but then again gonna tax our benifits and Everyone knows HEALTH INSURANCE FOR A FAMILY IS MORE THEN 5000 DOLLARS with a mccain healthcare policy we are doomed!
Posted by: angie | October 13, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
ROCHESTER, New Hampshire (CNN) – Shortly before John McCain set to lay out his new stump speech Monday morning, Joe Biden said it looked like the address would be “attack, attack, attack, attack” in contrast with Barack Obama’s plans to lay out his vision for the economy later in the day.
“Barack is going to make a major speech on economic policy, going to further outline what he’s going to do and how he’s going to deal with it,” said the Democratic vice presidential nominee. “It looks like John McCain’s entire speech is going to be attack, attack, attack, attack.”
“It couldn’t be clearer to me what’s going on here. John McCain wants to attack Barack Obama, and Barack Obama wants to [attack] the problems that face America today,” he said.
The McCain campaign shot back, calling Obama’s economic plan “plagiarism” of President Herbert Hoover’s during the Great Depression and championing their own “bold” proposal.
“The Obama-Biden ticket’s call for higher taxes on American businesses and isolationist trade policies mirrors the proposals that President Hoover implemented at the onset of the Great Depression, spurring a complete economic collapse,” McCain spokesman Ben Porritt wrote in an e-mail. “It’s plagiarism of the very worst economic policies in American history.”
The Delaware senator said McCain had an advantage in the campaign has a war hero and people assumed that as a result, he would have “certain hands” in a crisis.
“We need more than a war hero, we need more than a great soldier, we need a wise leader,” said Biden. “John’s hands have been anything but certain in the last year. They’ve been uncertain. And the McCain administration would be uncertain, clinging to the past, lurching from one bad idea to another.”
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
Obama’s Kenya campaign
http://www.washtimes.com/news/2008/oct/12/obamas-kenya-ghosts/
How will Obama spin this one.
Posted by: Jill | October 13, 2008, 2:11 pm 2:11 pm
It’s amazing how the Obama supporters will come on here and spout all this racial crap. I guess that is the only way you can show your support? The facts are the facts but we the educated know that your vote is based on feelings and not facts! Obama claims to be African-American! How is that possible? Does he not have a white mother? Besides, if he was born on American soil would that not make him an AMERICAN?
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
This is the story of the real John McCain, the one who has been hiding in plain sight. It is the story of a man who has consistently put his own advancement above all else, a man willing to say and do anything to achieve his ultimate ambition: to become commander in chief, ascending to the one position that would finally enable him to outrank his four-star father and grandfather.
In its broad strokes, McCain’s life story is oddly similar to that of the current occupant of the White House. John Sidney McCain III and George Walker Bush both represent the third generation of American dynasties. Both were born into positions of privilege against which they rebelled into mediocrity. Both developed an uncanny social intelligence that allowed them to skate by with a minimum of mental exertion. Both struggled with booze and loutish behavior. At each step, with the aid of their fathers’ powerful friends, both failed upward. And both shed their skins as Episcopalian members of the Washington elite to build political careers as self-styled, ranch-inhabiting Westerners who pray to Jesus in their wives’ evangelical churches.
In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot.
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This, of course, is not the story McCain tells about himself. Few politicians have so actively, or successfully, crafted their own myth of greatness. In McCain’s version of his life, he is a prodigal son who, steeled by his brutal internment in Vietnam, learned to put “country first.” Remade by the Keating Five scandal that nearly wrecked his career, the story goes, McCain re-emerged as a “reformer” and a “maverick,” righteously eschewing anything that “might even tangentially be construed as a less than proper use of my office.”
It’s a myth McCain has cultivated throughout his decades in Washington. But during the course of this year’s campaign, the mask has slipped. “Let’s face it,” says Larry Wilkerson, a retired Army colonel who served as chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell. “John McCain made his reputation on the fact that he doesn’t bend his principles for politics. That’s just not true.”
We have now watched McCain run twice for president. The first time he positioned himself as a principled centrist and decried the politics of Karl Rove and the influence of the religious right, imploring voters to judge candidates “by the example we set, by the way we conduct our campaigns, by the way we personally practice politics.” After he lost in 2000, he jagged hard to the left — breaking with the president over taxes, drilling, judicial appointments, even flirting with joining the Democratic Party.
In his current campaign, however, McCain has become the kind of politician he ran against in 2000. He has embraced those he once denounced as “agents of intolerance,” promised more drilling and deeper tax cuts, even compromised his vaunted opposition to torture. Intent on winning the presidency at all costs, he has reassembled the very team that so viciously smeared him and his family eight years ago, selecting as his running mate a born-again moose hunter whose only qualification for office is her ability to electrify Rove’s base. And he has engaged in a “practice of politics” so deceptive that even Rove himself has denounced it, saying that the outright lies in McCain’s campaign ads go “too far” and fail the “truth test.”
The missing piece of this puzzle, says a former McCain confidant who has fallen out with the senator over his neoconservatism, is a third, never realized, campaign that McCain intended to run against Bush in 2004. “McCain wanted a rematch, based on ethics, campaign finance and Enron — the corrupt relationship between Bush’s team and the corporate sector,” says the former friend, a prominent conservative thinker with whom McCain shared his plans over the course of several dinners in 2001. “But when 9/11 happened, McCain saw his chance to challenge Bush again was robbed. He saw 9/11 gave Bush and his failed presidency a second life. He saw Bush and Cheney’s ability to draw stark contrasts between black and white, villains and good guys. And that’s why McCain changed.” (The McCain campaign did not respond to numerous requests for comment from Rolling Stone.)
Indeed, many leading Republicans who once admired McCain see his recent contortions to appease the GOP base as the undoing of a maverick. “John McCain’s ambition overrode his basic character,” says Rita Hauser, who served on the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board from 2001 to 2004. But the truth of the matter is that ambition is John McCain’s basic character. Seen in the sweep of his seven-decade personal history, his pandering to the right is consistent with the only constant in his life: doing what’s best for himself. To put the matter squarely: John McCain is his own special interest.
“John has made a pact with the devil,” says Lincoln Chafee, the former GOP senator, who has been appalled at his one-time colleague’s readiness to sacrifice principle for power. Chafee and McCain were the only Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts. They locked arms in opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. And they worked together in the “Gang of 14,” which blocked some of Bush’s worst judges from the federal bench.
“On all three — sadly, sadly, sadly — McCain has flip-flopped,” Chafee says. And forget all the “Country First” sloganeering, he adds. “McCain is putting himself first. He’s putting himself first in blinking neon lights.”
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/23316912/makebelieve_maverick/print
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:12 pm 2:12 pm
cindy has a few “problems”
The McCains soon found themselves entangled in more legal trouble. In 1989, in behavior the couple has blamed in part on the stress of the Keating scandal, Cindy became addicted to Vicodin and Percocet. She directed a doctor employed by her charity — which provided medical care to patients in developing countries — to supply the narcotics, which she then used to get high on trips to places like Bangladesh and El Salvador.
Tom Gosinski, a young Republican, kept a detailed journal while working as director of government affairs for the charity. “I am working for a very sad, lonely woman whose marriage of convenience to a U.S. senator has driven her to . . . cover feelings of despair with drugs,” he wrote in 1992. When Cindy McCain suddenly fired Gosinski, he turned his journal over to the Drug Enforcement Administration, sparking a yearlong investigation. To avoid jail time, Cindy agreed to a hush-hush plea bargain and court-imposed rehab.
Ironically, her drug addiction became public only because she and her husband tried to cover it up. In an effort to silence Gosinski, who was seeking $250,000 for wrongful termination, the attorney for the McCains demanded that Phoenix prosecutors investigate the former employee for extortion. The charge was baseless, and prosecutors dropped the investigation in 1994 — but not before publishing a report that included details of Cindy’s drug use.
Notified that the report was being released, Sen. McCain leapt into action. He dispatched his top political consultant to round up a group of friendly reporters, for whom Cindy staged a seemingly selfless, Oprah-style confession of her past addiction. Her drug use became part of the couple’s narrative of straight talk and bravery in the face of adversity
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
DNC VP pick Biden is on record saying, just a couple months ago, obama does not have enough experience to be president. BUT once Biden got picked as the VP you didn’t hear nothing but smooching from there on.
Posted by: dilligaf | October 13, 2008, 2:15 pm 2:15 pm
republicans fear mccain:
McCain’s neocon makeover is so extreme that Republican generals like Colin Powell and Brent Scowcroft have refused to endorse their party’s nominee. “The fact of the matter is his judgment about what to do in Iraq was wrong,” says Richard Clarke, who served as Bush’s counterterrorism czar until 2003. “He hung out with people like Ahmad Chalabi. He said Iraq was going to be easy, and he said we were going to war because of terrorism. We should have been fighting in Afghanistan with more troops to go after Al Qaeda. Instead we’re at risk because of the mistaken judgment of people like John McCain.”
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
I’m done with McCain – I’ve just been so disgusted at how he (through Palin) have been encouraging the worst barrel scrapings of America to come out with monkey dolls and death threats, that I don’t ever want to see him again, never mind vote for him. He’s doing the same thing to Obama that Bush did to him, and for that he should be ashamed of himself.
Ain’t what this country is supposed to be about. Least not in the 21st Century.
I want this election over already. We’ve got work to do.
Posted by: I'm Done | October 13, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Wow Sallie!
It’s amazing that you know so much about John McCain and his family and know absolutely nothing about the man you are supporting!
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Wow! talk about drug addition…last I checked Cindy is not running for POTUS, coke head obama is!
Posted by: dilligaf | October 13, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
adultery, a mccain value:
In the spring of 1979, while conducting official business for the Navy, the still-married McCain encountered Cindy Lou Hensley, a willowy former cheerleader for USC. Mutually smitten, the two lied to each other about their ages. The 24-year-old Hensley became 27; the 42-year-old McCain became 38. For nearly a year the two carried on a cross-country romance while McCain was still living with Carol: Court documents filed with their divorce proceeding indicate that they “cohabitated as husband and wife” for the first nine months of the affair.
Although McCain stresses in his memoir that he married Cindy three months after divorcing Carol, he was still legally married to his first wife when he and Cindy were issued a marriage license from the state of Arizona. The divorce was finalized on April 2nd, 1980. McCain’s second marriage — rung in at the Arizona Biltmore with Gary Hart as a groomsman — was consummated only six weeks later, on May 17th. The union gave McCain access to great wealth: Cindy, whose father was the exclusive distributor for Budweiser in the Phoenix area, is now worth an estimated $100 million.
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
McCain:
fight, war, bomb
fight, war, bomb
fight, war, bomb
Posted by: newz4i | October 13, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Speaking to a convention of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, whose endorsement of Barack Obama has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media, not only declared his support for Obama, but also told his followers that Obama was the “Messiah.”
Posted by: WOW? | October 13, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
mccain is hate, anger and fear.
Obama is hope, peace and prosperity.
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Those who have experiance first hand a Socialist or Marxist government oppose Obama. His close advisors include foreign born from Pakistan, Iran, and Iraq with radical views. The Obama plan to Disarm America reeks of Jimmy Carter days when Iran held the USA hostage for over a year, Clinton who did not go after the terrorists, and Poor Murtha who reported the Iraq War was lost a year ago. The answer is to send the Obama supporters to live in Cuba for awhile, get them used to what they want for us. The military is at war, America is at the Mall. The majority of Voter fraud is from ACORN, the Obama support group that rigs elections. The unlawful campaign contributions are now legal with Obama. It’s a crime in Georgia to say his middle Arabic name. He’s going to “Unite” us? Throw the constitution and the laws out the window, Dictatorship here we come.
Posted by: Stan | October 13, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Speaking to a convention of the Nation of Islam, Louis Farrakhan, whose endorsement of Barack Obama has been virtually ignored by the mainstream media, not only declared his support for Obama, but also told his followers that Obama was the “Messiah.”
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Chairman Mao’s strategy to take over a Communist China was to use the 95% poor peasants in the countryside to surround the 5% rich in cities. Then, take their wealth and divide it among the poor. During his breathing days, everyone was poor. He completely leveled the field of rich and poor.
Now, 0bama learned well. He promises to take from the 5% rich – tax the hell out of them – and then, spread the wealth to you 95% poor, less-educated, God and gun-clinging servants. See, he is so smart, having it all figured out.
Posted by: d0 | October 13, 2008, 2:21 pm 2:21 pm
Still spouting McCain history. Where is the Obama history lesson? When will that begin? Please tell us all. I would gladly support Obama if you could give me his life story! But no! He won’t release so many things about his life. Why is that Sallie? Please tell us all?
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
no its not, its
war, fight, bomb,
bomb, fight ,war
bomb, war, fight
Posted by: dilligaf | October 13, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
all day, extremist radical republicans will sit her slinging HATE…while we’re out campaigning for hope and Obama.
Hours from now, the extremist GOP will be sitting here typing HATE AND FEAR AND ANGER AND TELLING YOU TO BE SCARED.
WE WILL BE OUT WINNING THIS ELECTION FOR OBAMA AND FOR THIS COUNTRY.
RANT ON, HATERS. NO ONE WANTS TO BE LIKE YOU….FULL OF HATE AND RAGE AND ANGER…..SAD.
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
The next President won’t have time to get used to the office,” McCain said. “He won’t have, he won’t have the luxury of studying up on the issues before he acts. He will have to act immediately.”
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This is what bothers me about McCain. He doesn’t think before he acts like Obama does. McCain even says in his book that he makes hasty decsions that result in mistakes. I also noticed that McCain didn’t give any specifics about WHAT he will do. I just watched Obama’s speech on CNN live and he gave SPECIFIC information on how to bring the economy out of its slump. To me the difference is clear. Obama/Biden ’08.
Posted by: Carol | October 13, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
“DNC VP pick Biden is on record saying, just a couple months ago, obama does not have enough experience to be president. BUT once Biden got picked as the VP you didn’t hear nothing but smooching from there on.”
Funny, I heard Hillary say the same thing.
Posted by: Mack | October 13, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
McChicken is going to make history for sure.
Obama will make history ON HIM! McChicken will go down in history as CHANGE replacing the OLD.
CHANGE IS INEVITABLE.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 13, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Well come on Obama supporters! Lets have it? Why is it that Mr. McCain’s life history is an open book and Your precious Obama’s life is a freakin closed door? Please tell us all?
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
“The next President won’t have time to get used to the office,” McCain said. “He won’t have, he won’t have the luxury of studying up on the issues before he acts. He will have to act immediately.”
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Then why did you select Sarah Palin, John? Your credibiliy is next to zero because it..
Posted by: indy_voter | October 13, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
“I also noticed that McCain didn’t give any specifics about WHAT he will do. I just watched Obama’s speech on CNN live and he gave SPECIFIC information on how to bring the economy out of its slump.’
The only change that Barry will bring is the same double digit inflation that the country suffered through under Carter.
Posted by: Mack | October 13, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
Again, McCain is telling that the people should stand up as individuals and fight for what they believe in, to be self reliant and self efficient. Obama wants government’s “BIG BROTHER” to take over your life and your responsibilities.
Again, Obama is preaching to the weak-minded. Bet Hitler made the same type of speeches. One can not say Obama without thinking SOCIALISM.
Posted by: Mary | October 13, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm
This country is headed for even a greater disaster then the financial mess; if McCain happens to win, there will be backlash from Obama supporters and this country will suffer.
Obama should have never gotten this far, it’s insane!!!
Posted by: CC | October 13, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
IN A WHILE, go through and count the posts that tell you to BE AFRAID. YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO COWER IN FEAR….because FEAR AND INTIMIDATION are all these radical extremist republicans have left.
FEAR, people, FEAR—ANGER, FIGHT, HATE is
the 2008 republican platform.
Posted by: sallie | October 13, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
“…referencing the press…” Since when has “reference” become synonymous with “refer?” To “reference” means to cite as a reference.
Posted by: GJ Tryon | October 13, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm
Well come on Obama supporters! Lets have it? Why is it that Mr. McCain’s life history is an open book and Your precious Obama’s life is a freakin closed door? Please tell us all?
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I don’t think John McCain’s life history is an open book. They are many areas of McCain’s life that has been avoided during this campaign….and for good reason…they are really irrevelant…same as many of issues folks want to raise about Obama…
Posted by: indy_voter | October 13, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Obama supporters get so offended when his record is questioned because they know it is their weakest argument.He has minimal experience at anything and his moral lapses combind with political expediency are a toxic mix.It was perfectly fine when he was labeling Bill Clinton a racist and Hillary as Annie “Monster”Oakley or when there are ageist attacks(“erratic”)against Mccain and ready to rehash Keating 5 at the drop of a Greek Column!!
Posted by: Mr Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Isn’t if funny to see McCain switch from being Chicken Hawk last week to Turkey Buzzard this week? To top it off, HE’S SPEAKING ON THE ECONOMY?
That’s like having a neanderthal give classes on etiquette. PAAAALEEEEEEEEZE.
Desperation by the Repugs continues to get funnier and funnier by the day. 2 weeks ago Palin was the best thing since sliced bread. This week, she’s a leper with lipstick and heels.
Keep humoring me before your SCHLACKING, cynics. I need good laughs at your expense.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!!!
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 13, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Say it ain’t so Sallie! Out supporting Obama? Seems to me your sitting in front of a computer typing your little heart out. When are you gonna start telling us all about Obama’s life and why we should vote for him? Or is it that you just came here to sling your racist political agenda?
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
“Well come on Obama supporters! Lets have it? Why is it that Mr. McCain’s life history is an open book and Your precious Obama’s life is a freakin closed door? Please tell us all?”
Because the MSM is biased and refuse to do their jobs? This is the same MSM that glorified the Iraq War at its outset.
Posted by: Mack | October 13, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
I was very glad to see McCain tie Obama in with Pelosi and Reid in this speech.
He needs to emphasize this over and over again in the debate on Wednesday.
That is the scariest part of an Obama victory for me. Pelosi and Reid telling Obama what to do.
Posted by: Lee | October 13, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
The bots are good little consumers. Make sure you swallow everything that the MSM feeds you.
Posted by: Mack | October 13, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
Waaaaaaah! Sniffle*, sniffle*, waaaaaaaah!
“THAT ONE” took and drank all of my MILKSHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE! Now I don’t have ANYYYYYYYYYYYYYMOOOOOOOORE!
Chicago cans of whoop a** make you do that, don’t they?
You whiners need more cheese or shall I saw MORE CROW?
Grey Poupon?
POTUS OBAMA – McChicken’s worst nightmare
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 13, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
They talk about the hate talk at the McCain rally. Their was a McCain rally group that did a walk in the upper west side of Manhattan NY and you should have heard the hate that came from people in that area. Ten times worst than anything you heard from any McCain rally….know, who’s really throwing the hate speech? There’s that double standard again….
I think everybody that votes needs to take the Obama test at http://www.barackobamatest.com and see if he speaks for you. It’s very interesting, not biased either, it shows you how you stack up or don’t stack up to the rest of the country on most issues. I don’t know who created the web site but it really is interesting to take. I think it should be called the voter qualifying test.
Posted by: Mp | October 13, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
All this BS reteric doesn’t mean a thing people. The end of life in America as we know it is just about over no matter who wins this corrupt election. We spoiled our selves so much in the past 50 years or so that we can’t face our present dismal immoral reality with out us blaming some one else for our present condition. In Biblical times God punished his people severly when they disobeyed his commands whether people believed in his divinity or not. America was blessed from it’s conception and was sustained on GODly principles for over 200+ years. Recently in our society we have turned away from GOD and now indulge in all sorts of debauchery and every evil one could imagine. Greed and self have brought us to this present state and I see nothing but distruction ahead of us. I know the sceptics are laughing and blaspheming at words like mine but I am a student of history and thus I firmly believe that the day of the Lord is at hand. Woe be unto the people of the world unless we seek the one who created it. There is “No HOPE” in either candidate nor the party he will lead. If any of us believe there is then we are all the foolish of fools thru out history.
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
Isn’t if funny to see McCain switch from being Chicken Hawk last week to Turkey Buzzard this week? To top it off, HE’S SPEAKING ON THE ECONOMY?
That’s like having a neanderthal give classes on etiquette. PAAAALEEEEEEEEZE.
Desperation by the Repugs continues to get funnier and funnier by the day. 2 weeks ago Palin was the best thing since sliced bread. This week, she’s a leper with lipstick and heels.
Keep humoring me before your SCHLACKING, cynics. I need good laughs at your expense.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!!!
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 13, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
Why thank you for your response Indy-voter. I do feel as you that some things are really not for the voters. Mrs. Sallie found it in her heart to paste several post that are very detailed. I am curious about Obama’s associations with some of the people that have come up in the media. I am in no way assuming that he is guilty of any wrong doing but in all honesty don’t you feel he should give some explination? I wish to vote for who is gonna fix this mess. I’m tired of being lied to by our goverment.
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
McCain likes the word “fight.” It does describe him – unfortunately. McCain is impulsive, compulsive, and believes in power and control – He is a dangerous man. ………
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/10/john-mccain-is-dangerous/
Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | October 13, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Obama’s talking about unemployment going to 8% under McCain…under Obama if he taxes business like he wants your going to see more jobs flee this country and unemployment hit about 12%. Just the opposite he should do.
Posted by: Mp | October 13, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
I guess Sallie really couldn’t tell me just a little about Mr. Obama or why he is the right choice for President?
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
Obamabots have a hit a manic phase!!Elections are on Nov 04 ,2008.Let people vote.If he is president we will all wish him well.Saying hateful things about Mccain and his supporters just like you attacked Hillary and her supporters will be a loosing issue for you.He merely walked across the finish line in June carried over on the strong shoulders of Pelosi and Reid.
Posted by: wait a minute | October 13, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
This time next year, McChicken will be reduced to sipping warm buttermilk while sitting on Cindy’s porch shooing imaginary trolls from the lawn while singing Row Your Boat.
To go from POW Great White Hope to TWC Great White Nope has gotta make you cynics wanna kill yourselves.
John Wayne to Bozo the Clown. Now, that’s a MAVERICK!
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!!!
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 13, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
Mp.
Well thats the problem. All they want to see is that McCain supporters are racist,uneducated,hate breeders! Obama supporters don’t want to look at the facts, they don’t want to look at history, there motto is will fix it after we screw it up then blame the Republicans for it then try to win an election on how the Republicans have done this and done that!
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
Before the financial market crisis, Obama described the Freedom of Choice Act—FOCA–as his Top Priority!
The FOCA would undo many of the restrictions on abortion at the federal and state level. That’s not an analysis from anti-abortion advocates, but from pro-abortion activists like NOW and Planned Parenthood. It’s a radical departure from the current, more moderate status quo and a large leap to the left on abortion:
“FOCA would sweep away hundreds of anti-abortion laws, policies” – National Organization of Women web site.[1]
“FOCA would invalidate existing and future laws that interfere with or discriminate against the exercise of the rights protected. It also would provide an individual aggrieved by a violation of the act a private right of civil action in order to obtain appropriate relief.” – Planned Parenthood web site.[2]
“Nancy Keenan, president of NARAL Pro-Choice America, joined pro-choice members of Congress and activists at a Capitol Hill press conference to introduce legislation that would codify Roe v. Wade into law and guarantee a woman’s right to choose in all 50 states. ” – NARAL. Pro-Choice America (formerly called the National Association for the Repeal of Abortion Laws) press release, April 19, 2007.[3]
On Abortion, Obama should be considered “mainstream” only in the way he and the media consider Bill Ayers to be “mainstream.”
Posted by: Barack Obama, Abortion Promoter | October 13, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
So the McCain is changing campaign strategies AGAIN? Seeing as that I saw the fat lady warming up & is about to sing, let me say this to the GOP. Your party’s most fatal mistake in this campaign was to insult to the American peoples’ intelligence. To think you could just roll any ol’ body out there & win is about as arrogant as it gets. Out of all the women John McCain could’ve gotten to run with him, Kay Bailey Hutchison or Condoleeza Rice, he chooses Grandma Dynamite, a rural mayor & a wilderness governor with all kinds of skeleton bones in her closet. We now find out that her husband was sitting in on meetings & using state resources for his own personal use. Had Obama done any of this, the Republicans would be screaming bloody murder. How insulting is it to women to think all you have to do to get their vote is to put any woman on the ticket with you? How insulting is it to think that attacking & criticizing your opponent would somehow get you a vote. Americans want solutions to these problems we’re facing, not someone calling their opponent a Muslim when you have no proof that they are. Our country is in trouble, yet the GOP is carrying out these infantile diatribes & wondering why they’re down by double digits in some polls. It’s simple, we Americans aren’t nearly as stupid as the Republican Party thinks we are.
Posted by: Dee Tee Gee | October 13, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Admiral McLoser is very busy rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic as he is surrounded by electoral icebergs.
Puttering through red states that are now battleground states…
EPIC FAIL.
Posted by: Sen. J. Sidney McFascist | October 13, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
White supremecy and all that it stands for appears to be on it’s deathbed and is now calling it’s immediate family to the hospital to give its last rites.
That’s what this election is really about. America is “TURNING THE PAGE” on it’s ugly past and is now moving into the millineum with the perfect leader who’s best equipped to deal with the world as a whole.
Nitey Nite Gramps….
Donkeys don’t win thoroughbred horse races.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 13, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
POTUS OBAMA
You gotta be just like Sallie! Spout! Spout! Spout! You got anything intelligent to say or you just gonna keep talking about McChicken?
Posted by: Independent | October 13, 2008, 2:53 pm 2:53 pm
Where is McCain;s flag pin?
Posted by: Rick W | October 13, 2008, 3:04 pm 3:04 pm
MCCAIN IS STANDING UP LIKE THE CAPTAIN DID ON THE TITANIC!
Posted by: rhbate | October 13, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
McCain/Palin represents hope, peace, prosperity and self-reliance.
Obama represents SOCIALISM–take from those who have and give to those who are weak minded and lazy–those who did not plan for their future.
Obama’s economic plan has a jackass mentality.
ACORN which is trying to defraud the election process was paid $800,000 by the Obama campaign for their work.
Posted by: Mary | October 13, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Nat Turner: Do you agree with the Farakan remark? “The Messiah is here”.
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
No matter what we all say and do at this point, it doesn’t matter. No candidate as come back from this far behind in a presidential race and won this close to an election. Nobody is going to be persuaded by what we write here.
So its over.
Thank God.
Posted by: GoBama | October 13, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
“STAND UP AND FIGHT”
Weren’t those Custer’s last word at Little Big Horn?
Posted by: rhbate | October 13, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
GoBama: What GOD?
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
GoBama: What GOD?
Posted by: bombem | Oct 13, 2008 3:20:54 PM
__________________________
How many Gods are there?
Posted by: rhbate | October 13, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
rhbate: Remember what John Paul Jones said when his ship was sinking? We have not yet begun to fight!!
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 3:23 pm 3:23 pm
There is fraud on WALL ST., MAIN ST., and YOUR ST., of course the will and has always been voter fraud…DEAL WITH IT…
Posted by: BenFranklin | October 13, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Wasn’t McCain going to make some earth shaking announcement today at his rally? I think they did say today is the day when poll trends will start shifting their way. This was going to be a prelude to the debate this week which they categorize as game changing event. Perhaps in tomorrow’s rally……
Posted by: James | October 13, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
GoBama: The GOD of Abraham, Issak, and Jacob? There is only one, do you agree?
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
McCain has done nothing wrong, Obama and his thug friends have lied and when caught cried foul. When you are trying to appear to be something that you are not “moderate” you have to hide and cover up all of your radical left wing friends, associates, and 832K of ACORN related companies for voter fraud.
If Obama is a far left wing socialist then he should own it. His incramentally admitting only what can be well documented is very telling. Every other poll besides ABC’s shows that McCain is gaining on Obama and with all of the fraudulent voter registrations I don’t know how you can rely on polls at all anyway. I saw no mention of the dead people and duplicates reflected in the raw data.
Posted by: ubu1991 | October 13, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Some of the rhetoric here has been impressive, impressively bombastic and nonesense. Yet, fun to read. In the heartland, we talk of simpler subjects. Can Obama win? Yes, Virginia, Santa Claus is a black man!
Posted by: Honestly People | October 13, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm
— GoBama: The GOD of Abraham, Issak, and Jacob? There is only one, do you agree? —
Nope.. there are many, depending on your belief.. such as:
http://www.venganza.org/
Posted by: Concerned American | October 13, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
I KNOW OBAMA DID NOT SAY THIS ,
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 13, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
– McCain has done nothing wrong, Obama and his thug friends have lied and when caught cried foul. –
Can you please provide a reference to where he lied and was then caught?
Posted by: Concerned American | October 13, 2008, 3:38 pm 3:38 pm
This time next year, McChicken will be reduced to sipping warm buttermilk while sitting on Cindy’s porch shooing imaginary trolls from the lawn while singing Row Your Boat.
To go from POW Great White Hope to TWC Great White Nope has gotta make you cynics wanna kill yourselves.
John Wayne to Bozo the Clown. Now, that’s a MAVERICK!
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!!!
Posted by: Nat Turner | October 13, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Can someone show me where Obama’s support was for this :
I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 13, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
– I KNOW OBAMA DID NOT SAY THIS , –
Correct.. McCain did, after seeing a 2006 congressional oversight report and adding his name on as co-sponsor. The bill then died in a republican controlled committee chaired by Republican Senator Shelby.
Posted by: Concerned American | October 13, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
Nat, your a black racist aren’t you? The donkey is you messiahs’ party logo you dummy. Crack kills.
Posted by: mogo | October 13, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
McCain took money from Gordon Liddy, what a fool. His ultra right wing associations will now sink what ever hope he had to win. McCain’s strategy of guilt by associations does not make since because very few have the skeletons in the closet he does.
Posted by: Perspective | October 13, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
I bet McCain is sorry he let Karl Rove run his campaign, its sinking faster than the Titanic!
They should play ‘Nearer, My God, To Thee’ at the next rally…
Posted by: JoeShmoe | October 13, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm
Concerned American: Why are you answering my question to GoBama? Go back to my post of today at 2:35:38 PM. Your suggested web site is the type of suttle evil that I am suggesting.
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm
Factcheck on Obama and Ayers:
We find McCain’s accusation that Obama “lied” to be groundless. It is true that recently released records show half a dozen or so more meetings between the two men than were previously known, but Obama never denied working with Ayers.
Other claims are seriously misleading. The education project described in the Web ad, far from being “radical,” had the support of the Republican governor and was run by a board that included prominent local leaders, including one Republican who has donated $1,500 to McCain’s campaign this year. The project is described by Education Week as reflecting “mainstream thinking” about school reform.
Despite the newly released records, there’s still no evidence of a deep or strong “friendship” with Ayers, a former radical anti-war protester whose actions in the 1960s and ’70s Obama has called “detestable” and “despicable.”
Even the description of Ayers as a “terrorist” is a matter of interpretation. Setting off bombs can fairly be described as terrorism even when they are intended to cause only property damage, which is what Ayers has admitted doing in his youth. But for nearly three decades since, Ayers has lived the relatively quiet life of an educator. It would be correct to call him a “former terrorist,” and an “unapologetic” one at that. But if McCain means the word “terrorist” to invoke images of 9/11, he’s being misleading; Ayers is no Osama bin Laden now, and never was.
McCain is not accurate when he says – as he does in the Web ad – “When their relationship became an issue, Obama just responded, ‘This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood.’ ” McCain is using the same line in personal appearances, too. He said on Oct. 9 at a campaign rally in Waukesha, Wis.:
McCain: Look, we don’t care about an old washed-up terrorist and his wife, who still, at least on Sept. 11, 2001, said he still wanted to bomb more. … The point is, Senator Obama said he was just a guy in the neighborhood. We need to know that’s not true.
Obama never said Ayers was “just” a guy in the neighborhood. The quote is from a Democratic primary debate on April 16 in Philadelphia, and Obama actually was more forthcoming than McCain lets on. Obama specifically acknowledged working together with Ayers on a charitable board, and didn’t deny getting some early political support from him. Here’s the exchange:
ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos, April 16: An early organizing meeting for your state senate campaign was held at his house, and your campaign has said you are friendly. Can you explain that relationship for the voters, and explain to Democrats why it won’t be a problem?
Obama: George, but this is an example of what I’m talking about.
This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who’s a professor of English in Chicago, who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He’s not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.
And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values, doesn’t make much sense, George.
Sen. Hillary Clinton then said, “I also believe that Senator Obama served on a board with Mr. Ayers for a period of time, the Woods Foundation,” and predicted that “this is an issue that certainly Republicans will be raising.”
Obama responded, “President Clinton pardoned or commuted the sentences of two members of the Weather Underground, which I think is a slightly more significant act than me … serving on a board with somebody for actions that he did 40 years ago.”
We wrote back then that Clinton had gone too far by suggesting that “people died” as a result of Ayers’ actions. And nothing Obama said then has since been shown to be false. It is true that he did not bring up his work with Ayers on a second project, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where Obama was board chairman and Ayers was an early organizer, and where the two were together for half a dozen or so meetings. But neither Clinton nor Stephanopoulos asked him about that project. McCain could fairly accuse Obama of not volunteering the information, but it is false to claim he “lied.”
“Pal Around”
The first to begin using the new line of attack against Obama was McCain’s running mate, Gov. Sarah Palin, after a lengthy article appeared Oct. 3 in the New York Times about Obama and Ayers:
Palin, Oct. 5: Our opponents see America as imperfect enough to pal around with terrorists who would bomb their own country.
She’s repeated the charge again and again at different campaign stops since then, citing the Times. What the Times article actually says, however, is this: “[T]he two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers.” The Times says its review of documents and interviews with key players “suggest” that Obama “has played down his contacts with Ayers,” but describes their paths as having crossed “sporadically” since their first meeting in 1995.
And far from palling around with Ayers, the two haven’t spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the Senate in January 2005, according to an Obama spokesman. He said the two last saw each other more than a year ago, when they accidentally met on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.
Obama addressed Palin’s claim on Oct. 8, when questioned by ABC News’ Charlie Gibson:
Obama, Oct. 8: This is a guy who engaged in some despicable acts 40 years ago when I was eight years old. By the time I met him, 10 or 15 years ago, he was a college professor of education at the University of Illinois. … And the notion that somehow he has been involved in my campaign, that he is an adviser of mine, that … I’ve ‘palled around with a terrorist’, all these statements are made simply to try to score cheap political points.
Stormy Weather, Underground
Bill Ayers’ notoriety dates from the radical, anti-Vietnam War group he helped to start in 1969, splintering off from the activist Students for a Democratic Society. The members of the new group, the Weather Underground, favored shows of violence to further their cause. On March 6, 1970, though, three of them blew themselves up in a Greenwich Village townhouse during a bomb-making session gone badly awry. Ayers and his fellow Weathermen, as they were called, soon dropped out of sight.
Barack Obama, who was born Aug. 4, 1961, was 8 years old at the time.
The Weather Underground continued setting off bombs, including one in a men’s lavatory in the Capitol building in 1971 and another in a women’s restroom in the Pentagon in 1972. Nobody was killed, due to evacuation warnings the Weathermen sent out in advance.
After the Vietnam War ended, the group’s activities petered out. In 1980 Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, another member, surfaced and turned themselves in to police. Because of illegal federal wiretaps, pending charges against Ayers for allegedly inciting a riot and conspiring to bomb government sites had been dropped. Dohrn pleaded guilty to separate charges of aggravated battery and jumping bail; she was fined $1,500 and given three years’ probation. Ayers and Dohrn, who had had two children together while in hiding, married in 1982.
Several other Weather Underground alums, including Kathy Boudin, along with some members of a group calling itself the Black Liberation Army, were involved in a bungled 1981 robbery of a Brinks truck in Nanuet, N.Y., in which a security guard and two policemen were killed. Ayers and Dohrn have never been publicly tied to the incident, which took place after they had turned themselves in. Dohrn was jailed for seven months for refusing to provide a handwriting sample to the grand jury investigating it.
Dohrn is now a clinical associate professor of law at Northwestern University School of Law in Chicago. Ayers is a professor of education at the University of Illinois at Chicago. Locally, Ayers’ radical past hasn’t been much of an issue. Chicago Sun-Times columnist Lynn Sweet wrote last spring that it “was no big deal, or any deal, to any local political reporters or to the editorial boards of the Sun-Times or [Chicago] Tribune.” Ayers was named a Chicago citizen of the year in 1997 for his efforts in the field of education.
In Chicago, Ayers is seen less as a “terrorist” and more as a prodigal son of the local establishment. His father was a prominent corporate executive and civic leader. Thomas G. Ayers was president and chief executive of Commonwealth Edison, the electric utility that lights Chicago and northern Illinois. There is a residence hall named for him at Northwestern University, where he was a trustee for 30 years. Bill’s brother John Ayers, according to Education Week, headed a school-reform group called the Leadership for Quality Education, which represented business leaders’ interest in schools. John is now a senior associate of the Chicago-based National Association of Charter School Authorizers.
Despite the fairly mainstream life he lives now, though, Bill Ayers’ image took a hit with an article that appeared in the New York Times on the morning of Sept. 11, 2001. Ayers was quoted in the lead paragraph as saying, ”I don’t regret setting bombs” and “I feel we didn’t do enough.” The interview had been conducted earlier, in connection with the publication of Ayers’ memoir of his years as a fugitive. But when the quotes appeared on the same day thousands died at the World Trade Center and elsewhere, they enraged his critics.
Ayers called the story a deliberate distortion of his views. In a response on his blog, Ayers wrote:
Ayers: My memoir is from start to finish a condemnation of terrorism, of the indiscriminate murder of human beings, whether driven by fanaticism or official policy. …
I said I had a thousand regrets, but no regrets for opposing the war with every ounce of my strength.
That’s hardly an apology, referring as it does to the U.S. role in the Vietnam War as “terrorism.” Ayers has maintained a public silence since then, refusing all requests for interviews.
Even so, Chicago Mayor Richard Daley had kind words for him recently:
Daley (New York Times, Oct. 3, 2008): He’s done a lot of good in this city and nationally. … This is 2008. People make mistakes. You judge a person by his whole life.
According to an Obama spokesman, the two men first met in 1995, when Obama was tapped to chair the board of the newly formed Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Ayers had been instrumental in creating the organization, which was to dispense grants for projects that would improve Chicago’s schools.
The Challenge was one of 18 projects supported by a $500 million grant announced at a White House ceremony Dec. 18, 1993, by the Annenberg Foundation, founded four years earlier by Philadelphia publisher Walter Annenberg. It was the largest single gift ever made to public education in America. The Chicago project received a $49.2 million grant in 1995, and officials administering the grant funds at Brown University announced at the time that the Chicago proposal was developed through discussions among “a broad-based coalition of local school council members, teachers, principals, school reform groups, union representatives and central office staff” convened by three educators – one of whom was Ayers. Mayor Richard M. Daley, a Democrat, and Gov. Jim Edgar, a Republican, took part in a ceremony announcing the grant.
There are other connections between Obama and Ayers: The same year the two men met through the Annenberg Challenge, Ayers hosted a meet-and-greet coffee for Obama, who was running for state Senate and who lived three blocks away from him. Obama and Ayers also were on the board of an antipoverty charity, the Woods Fund of Chicago, where their service overlapped from 2000 to 2002. And Ayers contributed $200 to Obama’s campaign for the Illinois state Senate on March 2, 2001.
In addition, Obama told the Chicago Tribune in 1997 that a book Ayers wrote about the juvenile court system was “a searing and timely account.” This is sometimes billed by Obama’s critics as a “book review.” Actually, a reporter simply asked three Chicagoans for a sentence about whatever they were reading at the time.
The Annenberg Challenge connection has drawn the most attention recently, though, mainly because of articles written by Stanley Kurtz, a conservative contributor to the National Review, the publication founded by the late William F. Buckley. Kurtz first suggested on Aug. 18 that there was a “cover-up in the making” when he was unable to gain access to 132 boxes of project records housed at the University of Illinois. Records were released nine days later, along with all records held by the Annenberg Foundation itself.
The Chicago Tribune, after examining the records, said they showed Ayers and Obama “attended board meetings, retreats and at least one news conference together as the education program got under way.” It also said Obama and Ayers “continued to attend meetings together during the 1995-2001 operation of the program.” The story played on page 2. According to the New York Times, the documents show the two attended just six board meetings together, Obama as chairman and Ayers to inform the board on grantees and other issues. (In a press release, the McCain campaign puts the number of meetings at seven, five of them in 1995, one in 1996 and one in 1997.) Ayers was an “ex officio” member of the board for the first year of the project.
United Press International summed up the reaction to the contents of the group’s archives with a story headlined “No ‘smoking gun’ in Obama relationship”:
UPI, Aug. 27: Reporters reviewing records in Chicago have so far found nothing startling in documents linking Sen. Barack Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers.
Where news reporters found little of note, though, Kurtz – the conservative writer who initially suggested a “cover-up” – cast it differently. After combing through the Annenberg records, he published an article in the opinion pages of The Wall Street Journal saying he found that Obama and Ayers acted as “partners” and together “poured more than $100 million into the hands of community organizers and radical education activists.” He said money went to groups that “focused more on political consciousness, Afrocentricity and bilingualism than traditional education.”
A “Radical” Foundation? Hardly.
What Kurtz – and McCain in his Web ad – considers “radical,” other observers see differently, however. Veteran education reporter Dakarai I. Aarons, writing in Education Week, says the Chicago Annenberg Challenge actually “reflected mainstream thinking among education reformers” and had bipartisan support:
Education Week (Oct. 8): The context for the Chicago proposal to the Annenberg Foundation was the 1988 decentralization of the city’s public schools by the Republican-controlled Illinois legislature, a response to frustration over years of teachers’ strikes, low achievement, and bureaucratic failure. … The proposal was backed by letters of support to the Annenberg Foundation from Illinois Gov. Jim Edgar, a Republican, local education school deans, the superintendent of the Chicago public schools, and the heads of local foundations.
Among the mainstream Chicago luminaries on Obama’s board was Arnold R. Weber, a former president of Northwestern University, who in 1971 was appointed by Republican President Richard Nixon as executive director of the Cost of Living Council and who later was tapped by Republican President Ronald Reagan to serve on an emergency labor board. More recently, Weber has given $1,500 to John McCain’s presidential campaign this year.
Others on Obama’s supposedly “radical” board included Stanley Ikenberry, a former president of the University of Illinois system; Ray Romero, a vice president of Ameritech; Susan Crown, a philanthropist; Handy Lindsey, the president of the Field Foundation of Illinois; and Wanda White, the executive director of the Community Workshop for Economic Development.
Kurtz originally claimed that Ayers somehow was responsible for installing Obama as head of the board, speculating in his “cover-up” article that Obama “almost certainly received the job at the behest of Bill Ayers.” But after days of poring over the records, he failed to produce any evidence of that in his Wall Street Journal article. To the contrary, Ayers was not involved in the choice, according to Deborah Leff, then president of the Joyce Foundation. She told the Times, and confirmed to FactCheck.org, that she recommended Obama for the position to Patricia Graham of the Spencer Foundation. Graham told us that she asked Obama if he’d become chairman; he accepted, provided Graham would be vice-chair.
The bipartisan board of directors, which did not include Ayers, elected Obama chairman, and he served in that capacity from 1995 to 1999, awarding grants for projects and raising matching funds. Ayers headed up a separate arm of the group, working with grant recipients. According to another board member, Ayers “was not significantly involved with the challenge after Obama was appointed.” One possible reason had little to do with Obama himself, but instead was related to cautions about conflicts of interest; the group was funding some of Ayers’ own alternative school projects.
In any case, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge failed to bring about improvement in students’ test scores, classroom behavior or social competence. An independent consortium of educators concluded in 2003 that “Annenberg schools did not achieve an overall effect on student outcomes” compared with schools that received no support from the project. Education Week quoted some project supporters as saying it succeeded in raising interest in helping failing schools.
Conclusion
Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama’s interactions with him. We’re making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never “lied” about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly “radical.” And Ayers is more than a former “terrorist,” he’s also a well-known figure in the field of education.
Posted by: Vyrasnaktyr | October 13, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
– Your suggested web site is the type of suttle evil that I am suggesting. –
Evil? Because they do not believe in the same thing as you, or it does not align with your stance of: “I firmly believe that the day of the Lord is at hand.”.
Religious intolerance was what caused this nation to be formed, fleeing from the oppressive hold that the church of england had placed on those who did not align themselves with it.
Posted by: Concerned American | October 13, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
I still can’t decide who to vote for. I took a quiz online to see which candidate shares my views more. This year’s election is very tough. It is so important that everybody votes. There is still some time left before registration deadlines. click here to register and also to take the quiz to see who to vote for: http://www.justvotenow.org/?utm_source=ABC&utm_medium=Post&utm_campaign=ABC_Post
Posted by: MV | October 13, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
McCain opened Pandora’s Box. McCain and Palin have sown the wind with their hate speeches against Obama. They are generating an Aryan Nation, Skinhead response that is reminiscent of the Nazi rallies at Nuremburg and our own KKK lynch mobs. Shouts of Traitor, Kill Him! Off with his head! are frequently heard. McCain and his partner in crime are fully aware of the meaninglessness of their charges but it plays well to blood-thirsty rabid supporters who cannot accept McCain’s impending defeat. McCain’s campaign is a disgrace.
Posted by: jefflz | October 13, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
– They are generating an Aryan Nation, Skinhead response that is reminiscent of the Nazi rallies at Nuremburg and our own KKK lynch mobs –
Is it no wonder? McCain has called himself the ‘original neocon’ and sat on the advisory board of the US Council for World Freedom. Look them up and see who was involved and what they supported.
Posted by: Concerned American | October 13, 2008, 4:14 pm 4:14 pm
Now, Now children… remember we are all in the same family… AMERICANS, THE HUMAN RACE, remember? This is a presidential election, not the battle of Gettysburg… that was a long time ago.
It is despicable for a presidential candidate to encourage Americans to fight each other. We have enough enemies in the world that we cannot afford to fight each other… We have a failing financial system, a trillion $ deficit, a system (SSA) that conceivably will not support our old people, and we seem to not care about each other. I can’t believe you are all resorting to such childish methods of calling each other names and spewing all kinds of propaganda. Let’s just see where the chips fall… we have not idea what the future holds except that we “hope” we get there.
Posted by: MotherMichele | October 13, 2008, 4:22 pm 4:22 pm
Concerned American: Yes, but you can’t deny that “THIS COUNTRY” was formed and constitutionaly based on Judeo,Christian belief’s no matter how one would spin that. Why do you attempt to malighn my belief, no where have I IMPOSED them on any one? My faith and beliefs are grounded on historical facts that some folks choose to disregard for fear of being accountable for some aspects of their life styles. Obviously some of us will be right, and some will be proven wrong, to there shagrin. I choose to believe in intelligent design as proposed in the Bible, you can believe what you want.
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 4:31 pm 4:31 pm
– I choose to believe in intelligent design as proposed in the Bible –
And that tells us all we need to know!
Posted by: Concerned American | October 13, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm
The way Senator Mc Cain and Governor Palin have been campaigning for the past several weeks, some of his supporters are ready to stand up and fight “The Civil War”
Have a nice life Senator Mc Cain you deserve that. Governor Palin should be content with tending to her family.
Posted by: geek | October 13, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
The way Senator Mc Cain and Governor Palin have been campaigning for the past several weeks, some of his supporters are ready to stand up and fight “The Civil War”
Have a nice life Senator Mc Cain you deserve that. Governor Palin should be content with tending to her family.
Posted by: geek | October 13, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
John McCain loves to brag about how he has stood up to his own party over the years. Hopefully, he’ll have the courage to stand up to his own supporters over the next three weeks. It really is remarkable to see the difference in these two campaigns. While he has been very critical of McCain’s stance on issues, Obama has consistently praised John McCain for his service to his country, which the supporters at Obama’s rallies have generally applauded. McCain, on the other hand, gets booed by his own supporters for just saying that Obama is a ‘decent man’. Obama will win this election simply because he truly believes that being an American is more important than being a Democrat or Republican, and as such he tries to push people towards the middle, encouraging the left and right to work together to move this country forward. In contrast, McCain, Palin and the RNC continually push people towards the fringes. I particularly find Sarah Palin’s statement that Obama “doesn’t see America like you and I see America” to be extraordinarily disgusting. I’m proud to say that I see America like Barack Obama does: a multi-racial, multi-cultural community where freedom of speech, religion and respect for the rule of law is absolutely paramount in ‘preserving, protecting, and defending the Constitution’. Considering her statements during this campaign and her actions as Governor of Alaska, I’m not sure what America Sarah Palin and her supporters see, but it’s pretty obvious that it doesn’t include people like me.
Posted by: Ed | October 13, 2008, 4:39 pm 4:39 pm
Vyrasnaktyr -
Voters may differ in how they see Ayers, or how they see Obama’s interactions with him. We’re making no judgment calls on those matters. What we object to are the McCain-Palin campaign’s attempts to sway voters – in ads and on the stump – with false and misleading statements about the relationship, which was never very close. Obama never “lied” about this, just as he never bragged about it. The foundation they both worked with was hardly “radical.” And Ayers is more than a former “terrorist,” he’s also a well-known figure in the field of education. ~~~~when was the last time you were in Chicago where “nothing happens unless it’s approved by the Daley family…?”
If you need to tie together everyone from the Republican Party, then please do associate all Democrats – including the self-proclaimed anarchists that had molotov cocktails and trained people to kidnap Republican delegates amongst other henious crimes at the RNC in Minnesota.
A correction to your statement about Obama’s association with Ayers… AYERS HELD OBAMA’S FIRST POLITICAL FUNDRAISER. That means they were/are POLITICALLY CONNECTED… Plain and simple… ACORN – Obama was legal for council ACORN in their lawsuit against Citibank to force them to give sub-prime loans to those unable to afford a standard home loan (even ABC reported these things). hmmm….
Posted by: hummingbird | October 13, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
Posted by: bombem | Oct 13, 2008 4:31:48 PM
HEY BOMBEM, EVOLUTION IS A FACT. THE ONLY THEORY IS IN THE SELECTION PROCESSES. DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND STEP INTO THE 21ST CENTURY.
Posted by: WALTER | October 13, 2008, 4:42 pm 4:42 pm
You tell them, John McCain! Don’t back down – Obama is just like Osama!
WSLS TV: THE CHAIR OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IN VIRGINIA HAS SAID, QUOTE IN TIME MAGAZINE, “BOTH BARACK OBAMA AND OSAMA BIN LADEN HAVE FRIENDS THAT HAVE BOMBED THE PENTAGON. THAT IS SCARY.” IS THAT APPROPRIATE FOR A STATE PARTY CHAIR TO BE SAYING?
MCCAIN: I have to look at the context of his remarks. I have always repudiated any comments that have been made that were inappropriate about Senator Obama. The fact is that William Ayers was a terrorist and bomber and unrepentant. I don’t care about that. But, Sen. Obama ought be the candid and truthful about his relationship with Mr. Ayers in whose living room Sen. Obama launched his campaign and Sen. Obama said he was just a guy in the neighborhood.
Posted by: Pubby | October 13, 2008, 4:46 pm 4:46 pm
And that tells us all we need to know! Yea’ and let’s wonder who us is?
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 4:48 pm 4:48 pm
Obama supporters, let’s not get ahead of ourselves just yet. The polls may say one thing, but the result, as we’ve learnt two times round, may be quite something else. The GOP voter suppression efforts are already underway…the ACORN debacle is worrying…but it is NOT fraud….claiming that because someone registered as “Micky Mouse” in an ACORN voter registration, that someone by the name of Micky Mouse is going to be able to legitimately vote come election day is a farse. What the republicans are trying to do is to disqualify ALL of ACORN’s registrations, meaning some of the valid registrants are going to be turned away. Regardlss of what the polls say, we need to factor in other dirty voter suppression tricks by the GOP like sending out flyers to DEMs to vote on the wrong day…then there is the other issue of closet racists. We need to leave NOTHING to chance, check your dates, get your paperwork straight, and show up in force…or they will steal this one again….we cannot to let that happen.
Posted by: roarks | October 13, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
“Obama claims to be African-American! How is that possible? Does he not have a white mother?”
What–do you want him to say he’s White? He is bi-racial. I have two beautiful daughters who are half Black and they choose to be referred to as Black. It’s a matter PERSONAL CHOICE how you want to be referred if you are bi-racial. It would make no sense to say he White if he looks Black!
Posted by: JDL | October 13, 2008, 4:54 pm 4:54 pm
Obama has tried to squash “Freedom Of Speech” every time he thinks it may hurt his O-So-Holy reputation. He is carl marx in drag.
Posted by: mogo | October 13, 2008, 4:57 pm 4:57 pm
Walter: OH, do you mean the inlightened generation. I think there’s been that sort of a remark made over the mellenia of history and never proven, but some how you atheists just don’t get it. Well Walter, I believe there is a selection process and you I’m afraid have selected a path straight “TO HELL” believe it or not.
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 5:02 pm 5:02 pm
McShame encourages his supporters to stand up and fight, so all 20 of you, get up and fight!
It’s done, stick a fork in him, Americans do not want republicans anymore.
President Obama! Get used to it!
Posted by: Independent realist | October 13, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
roarks – “GOP voter suppression” is like saying it’s OK for the Democrats to use ACORN and other organizations (like the one I work for – and yes, they do it here) to register false names via the phone book without having a secure verification system in place to qualify voters but when anyone (like me) regardless of party affiliation attempts to qualify voters it’s termed “suppression.”
Posted by: hummingbird | October 13, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm
Meh. Obama told his supporters to get in people’s faces. To argue with them.
McCain? Doing the same thing.
No differences here.
Posted by: Fed Up With Them All | October 13, 2008, 5:12 pm 5:12 pm
McCain belongs in an Old Age Home and Palin belongs in a Centerfold.
Posted by: TruAmerican | October 13, 2008, 5:18 pm 5:18 pm
Who are these idiots who even listen to these lies? McPalin is so full of BS I cannot even read about them anymore.
Posted by: PJC27 | October 13, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
Hmm..If there’s only 20 Republicans..why do Democrats feel the need for voter fraud?
Posted by: Jack | October 13, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm
bombem, you sound like an Inbred Redneck hick.
Educate yourself before and then you will understand what does a Millions of year old dinosaur fossil actually mean.
Posted by: TruAmerican | October 13, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
McSame, who hasn’t done a thing for us, over the last 26 years in congress is now promising that he would bring us all to heaven??? Give me a break! He has no idea of how to do it, let alone promising to help us. He forgets what he has promised the very next day, and then goes off on a tangent. How can you even trust his words, when you know that these are just empty promises.
Posted by: Karen | October 13, 2008, 5:26 pm 5:26 pm
He didn’t stand up and fight against the BAILOUT of his Wall Street buddies. Now he’s asking us to stand up and fight?
McCain is the sorriest excuse for a conservative Republican I’ve ever seen.
I’m voting third party for the first time in my life. I wouldn’t waste a vote on McCain if he was the only guy in the running.
Posted by: Doob | October 13, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm
Why to vote for John McCain: he was tortured. He supports non-governmental intervention in the marketplace. He served his country. He is a man for change. He wants to tax health care plans. He is pro, pro, pro what?
I could care less about his platitudes. He has not addressed the fundamentals of what has recently become very apparent and wrong with the financial system in America. People on mainstreet USA do not want secondary derivatives plaguing their investments. That is the monumental problem of AIG, Fannie, Freddie, and the failing investment houses. Add on top of that a $800 billion for gasoline and $700 billion for the war on Bin Laden’s contra-peers and you can see we have some reprioritization that is necessary. As a result, the American voter is going for radical change because change is necessary for survival. Let’s see what we are doing. We are paying our bills as per usual. We are purchasing less and saving more. We are buying CFL’s. We have planted vegitable gardens. We are hanging on to jobs we once wanted to leave. We are taking jobs we once considered unpalatable. We will do what is necessary to change the equation forced upon us to rebalance our lives. We don’t need candidates causing harsh visceral reactions by supporters. We need leaders who will work the problems with a pre-assigned program to correct them. The American voter is looking for pragmatism, not conservatism. We want progressive solutions that ensure the middle class enlarges, prospers against other classes, and gets a bigger piece of the pie. Knee jerk anti-government solutions do not work in a government by the people constitutional system. That is pragmatic thinking. The government is mine and better work well or don’t run for office to dismantle my government. I pay for that government and it should act as promised. Anybody who wants to call me a socialist out there for wanting my republican government ended is an anti-Consitutional prig and an ass and knows nothing about the purpose of the law or democratic governance.
Mr. Obama, who I admit I know less about because I took time to organize and pay for a small business, and have had little time to read even as much as the Alaskan, is my candidate because I am betting that his faith in the American dream is a better faith than Mr. McCain’s. Mr. Obama and I share some indirect history together. I have been a member of the United Methodist Church, a church that believes in the direct ministry of Christ to all who would have faith in him, no matter what type of sins they possess currently. Mr. Obama has been chastized for that membership because one pastor has a faith that put God above country. Good for him! Amen brother, I am with you that God stands above country. Call me a traitor, unAmerican or whatever you want. I call it following the 1st Commandment and the 2nd. I will not put my country before God Almight. How’s that for a voter’s choice for Obama. I could care less who else votes for Obama or what their sins may be. If Louis F., Ayers, or other radicals align with my vote, well, stranger bedfellows have come together with out knowing one another before. I am sure there will be far more non-radicals voting for Mr. Obama as well. People like me who go to Christ’s church on Sunday, who go to work for more than 40 hours per week deliving goods and services to their fellow Americans, who pay their bills, mortgages, and taxes knowing that what they pay for does not come cheaply.
I live in a good home. I drive high MPG vehicles. I am friendly to all in my community. I could care less who helps to register voters, whether it be an election judge or a member of ACORN, guiding an unregistered person to a registered status. I have known many on the left who have registered more than just the displaced and dispossesed. Just because some states think a person must disprove they are from pluto does not mean they are not voters trying to use the franchise. If a Republican wants to register voters, hurrah! Welcome, citizen! Only the crazies of each party want to challenge all newly registered voters as being suspects in a foul play. They can all just kiss my Army veteran arse. Let them vote. That is why we have election rolls, election judges, registration systems, and Secretaries of State. Either the system works or it doesn’t and either way the outcome should not be challenged by what we do not know occured in a secret ballot or the secret is lost and so is our privacy.
I will vote for Obama because he did work for voter enfranchisement against what many want of our fellow citizens. The homeless should be able to vote, because often the laws of our country have forced them out of homes due to no intentional action of their own. We have so many in need from foreclosures where the terms only known at the close could not be made known to them in advance and as all homeowners know, the close is the signing of dozens of documents rarely if ever seen in advance. Yet, with little or no time to read it all, we sign anyway. That practice needs to end and the contracts simplified to one or two pages so that the buyer can truly know at the close what is happening. That would be reform!!! Instead, the paperwork will probably go way up and the complexity multiplied by the current financial mess. And, the banks will ultimately be even more powerful in people’s lives. Is my house really worth paying an additional 150% of the purchase price so that an investor can be satisfied with the return on his investment? Americans should have options to use investment money in more places than retirement or education with less taxable implications than these limits. McCain may like that idea, but his banker friends won’t. They will prevail upon him to give up on that as a priority. So, I will vote for Obama. The divergency of ideas is not just between parties it is also within the ideas within the parties as to what is the priority. That is why I will vote for Obama. I think his priorities more closely resemble my own. McCain does not get it. He just does not read my priorities very well. So what if some of Mr. Obama’s priorities are not even on my agenda. For the greater balance of these things, I believe, and yes it is belief, Mr. Obama appears to be a hands down sure bet for me. I can bank on him not destroying my money more so than what the current POTUS or Congress have done to my life work and resources. I am placing my bets on the new kid on the block.
Posted by: Honestly People | October 13, 2008, 5:39 pm 5:39 pm
Maybe the question for the Palin/McCain ticket should be:
How sick is John McCain?
Read this:
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn10122008.html
Do we really want Todd and Sarah running (or should I say ruining) the country?
Posted by: Jim Dandy | October 13, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm
We are the undecided-the Clinton leftovers. These are the things that Obama should have known: that Rev Wright was a Racist, that Rezko was a shady man who raised funds for him. And Ayers, background in terrorism against America was well known to Obama when they ran around. He has refuted all these associations. What America does not know is that Obama will raise taxes on the Middle class once he gets into office. The other thing we found out is that Obama had a sexual relationship with Larry Sinclair in 1999 and did cocaine with him. Obama is for gay marriage and would not put it past him to think that a gay presidency is in his future administration. He does not want to refute the relationship with Larry, because all the gay surrogates working for his campaign would leave, and that would signal that he is not going to work for their agenda. We were told that the reason he did not want to work within the campaign financing was to raise undetected millions on his own. He’s the richest black candidate in world’s history, and that some of the monies is from terrorism groups. He knows that there is no way to verify until the election is over. As, we cannot verify the voter fraud that is going on by Acorn for him. The bad economy is due to illegals getting credit cards, and purchasing homes they could not afford. If Obama wins by fraud, there will be a race war.
Posted by: sausage30a | October 13, 2008, 5:52 pm 5:52 pm
TruAmerican: And you sound like a fearful athiest who in the back of your demented mind there is something scratching at your GOD created brain telling you that you might be wrong. If Critisizing me makes you feel better have at it. By the way, forget the damn fossil, where did the dinosaur come from? I’ll go as far back as you like. The big bang maybe, and pray tell where did the elements of that event come from? Further than that, you tell me. And by the way if living in a $1.2,000,000 home on a GOD created beach over looking the GOD created Gulf of Mexico makes me an Inbred Redneck hick what the hell does that make you? And just FYI I’m sitting on my balcony marveling at the most beautiful GOD created sunset I ever saw. And guess what, believe it or not I got here thru prayer and sacrifice. I’ll pray for you buddy, not your pocket book, but for your soul. And you do have one!!
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm
Hey, just curious, have any of you seen the new Palin documentary by larry flint. Its called (“NAILEN PALIN”). Looks like a WINNER
Posted by: jimt | October 13, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
Jimt: None of the GOD fearing Republicans but I’ll bet most of you demented Liberals who read that trash have. Thanks for your inquiry.
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm
TruAmerican: Where are you?
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 6:34 pm 6:34 pm
Answer: Wynken, Blynken and Nod
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Question: What is Sarah Palin’s debate method?
Posted by: Here's One | October 13, 2008, 6:36 pm 6:36 pm
Classic irony.. bombem says:
“TruAmerican: And you sound like a fearful athiest ”
and then turns around and says:
“None of the GOD fearing Republicans”
Who, in your world, is afraid of what?
Posted by: WALTER | October 13, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm
bombem,
I am a man of Science and yet I DO believe in some kind of Higher Power but NOT to the point of STUPID beliefs. Both the things need NOT be exclusive of one another.
If prayer and sacrifice were the only answer to all our ailments then WHY does one go to a doctor? Are they all athiest?
We all humans need something to believe in so that we ourselves judge our actions and we act decent in a society.
What I am getting at is that Religion is akin to blind faith and science is the day to day reality. I am NOT suggesting that faith should be discouraged but that is something people should keep it in their hearts and mind and learn in the CHURCH. NOT SCHOOLS.
What if I am NOT of the same religion? Are you suggesting that YOUR religion is better than mine? Them fighting words….
You see, its BEST to think WHATEVER you wanna think in your OWN home or CHURCH or TEMPLE, etc. DONT FORCE IT DOWN others throats.
Oh, and btw, I am of Asian origin, so you see, I TOO live in a million dollar home. So this STILL makes me the guy who “takes American jobs” :-D
P.S: If you have the time to pray for me, please pray instead for ALL those innocent Afghani and Iraqi children who died or got maimed for the useless wars.
Posted by: TruAmerican | October 13, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
Typical all he knows is fight and war and then he’s not that good at it either or he wouldn’t have been captured.
Posted by: Rose Szymanski | October 13, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm
To bombem,
You are misguided.. everyone knows that the true creator is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. You have been led astray and filled with intolerance and fear in the process. Hopefully, you will soon see the light of truth and embrace human kind instead of continuing down your path of destruction. May you by be touched by His noodly appendage.
http://www.venganza.org/
Posted by: FSM | October 13, 2008, 7:09 pm 7:09 pm
TruAmerican: My friend, I appreciate your quick response. I remember back in the early 60′s when prayer was removeded from our public schools and soon after we experienced a rapid decline in our educational experience. Total secularism is what got us where we are today, in my humble opinion. A moment of silence would have been appropriate don’t you think, then our children could at least be respectful to a higher power to what ever that may have been? Now they respect nothing! I totally respect science because I believe that it is the way to GOD, in fact many prominent scientists have become creationists. I am proud also that you have found your fortune in my country America, great country isnt it? Only history will show us if a war was useless or not, the free Iraquis will determain that. We forget Sadam and his brutallity don’t we? Side note: Are you not fearful of your good fortune under an Obama Admin? Be careful what you wish for. :)
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 7:22 pm 7:22 pm
FSM: No comment neccessary. :)
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 7:23 pm 7:23 pm
bombem,
I am ABSOLUTELY looking forward for Barak Obama to be the President of the US of A.
This will send a clear message to the whole world that We are READY for change.
Even if you may argue that he lacks the years of experience but I will say this: He is at least thinking in the RIGHT direction AND he surrounds himself with Intelligent people who will guide him when he needs it. He is also Calm and Composed. In this point in time, we need an American president who is a Thinker and a bringer of peace and hope.
Do you honsetly feel peaceful and hopeful when you hear McCains or Palin’s speech?
One cannot ALWAYS live in the fear of someone attacking us. That is paranoia. What is use of a democracy and freedom when we spy on ourselves and build huge walls, etc. I am done with this B.S.
Yes, every human wonders in his/her life what is his purpose and what if there are other planets where there could be other life-forms. In the deep of all our hearts we all do pray when technology cannot help us and all that is remained is hope.
Still when we get out of that phase, we thank our creator and get on with our life. If we are a space scientist, then we go back to finding other life-forms on other planets.
We never take anything for granted otherwise what is the purpose of space travel?
You see the difference is that we all do belive in higher power and we carry on with our daily lives but there are a few guys like you who think that their OWN brand of religion is the best and other should follow it or they are condemed. That is completely WRONG.
Talking about wars, YES those wars were based on LIES. It was ALL about control in the Middle East.
People around the world dislike Americans not because they hate us or our freedom (that is a joke!) but they hate us for our BAD foreign policies.
Have you travelled abroad? And I dont mean cruises or just visiting fancy hotels. Have you really seen any other country in Europe, Africa or Asia?
Try it and it will change your horizons.
Posted by: TruAmerican | October 13, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm
McCain Campaign Relaunch 4.0. Whatever, you can put different shades of lipstick on a pig but it’s still a pig.
Posted by: Rick | October 13, 2008, 7:54 pm 7:54 pm
I think that the level of integrity has fallen to an all time low in this election as fat too many outright lies and major distortions of the actual truth are flying from both parties, but especially from McCain and Palin. I find it repugnant the way they have been rabble-rousing with such vengeance taking pride in their maligning Barack Obama with so many blatant lies it sickens me. Obama is not free of guilt for promoting lies regarding to McCain, but none of them are so vile, hate filled and toxic as those being spewed out by his opponents, John McCain and Sarah Palin. It is so incredibly viscious! The end results were seen the other day when the crowds went rabid with hate towards a man they have never met & do not know on a personal basis. When you churn up people (who are all ready angry from watching their country self destruct and their investments fall dramatically in value) with lies and misinformation about another person, whose name is different than most people, you are very inclined to incite a riot. If you happened to watch the news you saw what happened. John McCain has done just this with his constant barrage of unjustified slams and smears of his opponent, Barack Hussein Obama. To me this is all to reminiscent of the angry mobs in post Civil War America up through the 60s (mostly in the south & other middle America areas) when lynching was on the minds of the people in a mob who were going to make someone man pay for the ills of the country. McCain lost control of his audience this time by his never ending, hate filled speeches. He has gone too far and created an atmosphere of hate and intolerance. I find it truly frightening that humanity has not come further along than this since the days of overt racism. Thank you John McCain and Sarah Palin. You have brought back a very ugly period in American history in a very real & potentially dangerous manner all in the name of soliciting your candidacy for President of the United States. Shame on you!
Posted by: Wendy Powers | October 13, 2008, 8:03 pm 8:03 pm
Attacking Obama is a very dumb move except for rednecks and the mis-informed because you CAN’T run for President without screening by the FBI,CIA and others so calling him a terriorist and a muslim discounts the intelligence of the most sophisticated background verification agencies in the world.
GIVE UP McCain and your wise cracking counterpart that is the most ignorant person I have seen speak.
Posted by: Al Clark III | October 13, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm
All of Europe and a lot of the Middle East and South America. I must admit that you remind me of Nevil Chamberlain when he claimed peace in our times just prior to WW2. I think you have your head in the sand (I WONDER IF IT’S MIDDLE EASTERN SAND) either by blindness or design. Your damn right I’m concerned about being attacked, remember 9/11? Eternal vigellance is the price of freedom Sir, and if you can’t see that then I suspect that your head in the sand might be by design. Islam is the greatest threat to my country I believe in our history. And may I say that I, and millions of other Americans and millions of people around the world will appose their RADICAL RELIGION untill death. Do you see my religion beheading and murdering their own people just because they question. Don’t you dare accuse me of pushing my brand of religion on anyone because I merely express my beliefs, you and your kind are the real bigots. Bottom line, “MY COUNTRY RIGHT OR WRONG” And finally I will appose that non American (can’t prove his citizenship) Muslim sympathiser now, and after, GOD forbid he should steal this election.
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm
McCain doesn’t have to worry. FoxNews said he had it in the bag two months ago:
Cavuto: The Democrats are Done
Neil Cavuto, Anchor and Managing Editor
FOXBusiness
“It’s August.
It’s early.
But for Democrats, it’s over.
Over. Done. Fini.
At the risk of sounding like I’ve snapped…allow me this snap judgment.
The Democrats have just lost the presidency this week.
For them, a horrible week.
So horrible…so discombobulated. So inconsistently communicated and messaged, that they’ve lost their message.
And I think, this election too.
Because here’s the deal as we end this week, my friends.
The Dems…are done.
I know. Laugh all you want. And I will conveniently destroy this message in the event I’m wrong.
But here’s why I don’t think I am.
During this crucial defining period that brought a Russian bear out of hibernation and a befuddled Nancy Pelosi into drilling reality…allow me to drill home this point.
Democrats lost a lot of mojo this week, their only saving grace that it’s an August week.
I don’t think that will save them.
Not when Russia threatens a new Cold War and the best their presumptive nominee can do is offer hope warring parties could put aside their hostilities…
While his opponent calls Russia what it clearly was and is: a bully. And a bully that must be dealt with.
And if his presidential mettle wasn’t tested enough…Barack Obama caves to Hillary Clinton and allows a roll call vote. He’s doing it for all good and decent reasons. But nothing good or decent will come of it….her supporters still don’t flip over him, no matter what he does to accommodate them.
He’s given Hillary a prime time speech. Bill a prime time speech. Chelsea a prime time speech. Is Sox the Cat still around?
My god, who won this damn thing? Show some backbone, man!
Then in the middle of the week Obama’s economic team comes out with this grand explanation of a tax cut package that reminds all again…not of cuts promised for the middle class…but serious hikes for those who don’t much consider themselves above middle class.
And charges again that these new numbers “still” don’t add up as we explored on this very show.
On the very same week Nancy Pelosi read the furor among her own members and decided to backtrack on that no-drilling vote thing.
Not good things for a party that said it would lead the charge.
It shouldn’t be this way…with the slowing economy, democrats should be running away.
But they look weak on a military crisis.
Inconsistent on an economic crisis.
And impotent on their own brewing political convention crisis.
Things change. Tides ebb and flow.
But I think we will look back to this week in August as the time the party that had it all in the bag…just puked in it.”
I thought it would be good for a laugh.
Posted by: msgijoe | October 13, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
Walter: GOD fearing depicts respect and you know that, don’t you?
Posted by: bombem | October 13, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm
“If Sarah Palin defies the conventional wisdom that
says elections are determined by the top of the ticket, and
somehow wins this for McCain, what will be the reaction?
Yes, blue – state America will go into mourning once again,
feeling estranged in its own country. A generation of young
Americans – who back Obama in big numbers – will turn
cynical, concluding that politics doesn’t work after
all. And, most depressing, many African – Americans will
decide that if even Barack Obama – with all his conspicuous
gifts – could not win, then no black man can ever be elected
president.
“But what of the rest of the world? This is the
reaction I fear most. For Obama has stirred an excitement
around the globe unmatched by any American politician in
living memory. Polling in Germany , France , Britain and
Russia shows that Obama would win by whopping majorities,
with the pattern repeated in Africa, Asia, the Middle East
and Latin America . If November 4 were a global ballot,
Obama would win it handsomely. If the free world could
choose its leader, it would be Barack Obama.
“The crowd of 200,000 that rallied to hear him in
Berlin in July did so not only because of his charisma, but
also because they know he, like the majority of the
world’s population, opposed the Iraq war.. McCain
supported it, peddling the lie that Saddam was linked to
9/11. Non – Americans sense that Obama will not ride
roughshod over the international system but will treat
alliances and global institutions seriously: McCain wants to
bypass the United Nations in favour of a US – friendly
League of Democracies. McCain might talk a good game on
climate change, but a repeated floor chant at the Republican
convention was “Drill, baby, drill!”, as if the
solution to global warming were not a radical rethink of the
US’s entire energy system but more offshore oil rigs.
“If Americans choose McCain, they will be turning
their back on the rest of the world, choosing to show us
four more years of the Bush – Cheney finger. And I predict a
deeply unpleasant shift.
“Until now, anti – Americanism has been exaggerated
and much misunderstood: outside a leftist hardcore, it has
mostly been anti – Bushism, opposition to this specific
administration. But if McCain wins in November, that might
well change. Suddenly Europeans and others will conclude
that their dispute is with not only one ruling clique, but
Americans themselves. For it will have been the American
people, not the politicians, who will have passed up a once
- in – a – generation chance for a fresh start – a fresh
start the world is yearning for.
“And the manner of that decision will matter, too. If
it is deemed to have been about race – that Obama was
rejected because of his colour – the world’s verdict
will be harsh. In that circumstance, Slate’s Jacob
Weisberg wrote recently, international opinion would
conclude that “the United States had its day, but in
the end couldn’t put its own self – interest ahead of
its crazy irrationality over race”.
“Even if it’s not ethnic prejudice, but some other
aspect of the culture wars, that proves decisive, the point
still holds. For America to make a decision as grave as this
one – while the planet boils and with the US fighting two
wars – on the trivial basis that a hockey mom is likable and
seems down to earth, would be to convey a lack of
seriousness, a fleeing from reality, that does indeed
suggest a nation in, to quote Weisberg, “historical
decline”. Let’s not forget, McCain’s campaign
manager boasts that this election is “not about the
issues.”
“Of course I know that even to mention Obama’s
support around the world is to hurt him. Incredibly, that
large Berlin crowd damaged Obama at home, branding him the
“candidate of Europe ” and making him seem less of
a patriotic American. But what does that say about
today’s America , that the world’s esteem is now
unwanted? If Americans reject Obama, they will be sending
the clearest possible message to the rest of us – and, make
no mistake, we shall hear it.”
Posted by: Amerikamostwanted | October 13, 2008, 10:44 pm 10:44 pm
It is scary to be ruled by a man whose only solution to his problem is “bomb, bomb, bomb,…” and “attack, attack, attack, …” and who is proud to be a fighter despite his experience of war. God bless him.
Posted by: pmp2008 | October 13, 2008, 10:50 pm 10:50 pm
Senator McCain I would prefer that you also study the issues before you make any immediate decisions…..all of your immediate decisions thus far have been a disaster.
Posted by: lanawonders | October 13, 2008, 11:43 pm 11:43 pm
All of you Obama followers are very DUMB even after he admitted he was friends with Bill Ayres a terrorist you are still voting for him, what??? no wonder alot of americans are stupid… if anybody knows military things its McCain and Palin her economic stance are great “you wouldnt like to save money on a bridge to nowhere?” Pfff Biden was in the Republican race what a wishy washy idiot…. please just think before you vote DEMS
Posted by: Bill | October 13, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm
McCain needs to name names and follow thru on making sure those people that are responsible for this Fannie Mae Freddie Mac problem are prosecuted and held accountable.
Posted by: Shelley | October 14, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am
The USA’s enemies are drooling at the thought of Obama. They love the naïve inexperience weak amateur. Where there have been young leaders in the past, they had over a decade of (real)experience, yet we paid a price for it. The last thing the USA needs at this time is an Amateur. There is no time for on the job training. More Socialist debt is definitely not what we need. Research what and who you vote for, check your resources, do not buy into the hype, think and reason for yourself. Being what one “guppy” called an old f*rt, I have already survived this type situation, and really shiver at the thought of having to go through it again. Therefore the inexperience definitely concerns me. The Socialist leaning is a big red flag. His record shows nothing to recommend him. Pretty words and rhetoric may soothe the soul but do nothing to solve problems.
For those fighting the party wars.
Party is the madness of many for the gain of a few.-Alexander Pope
If your 20 and not a Liberal, You have no Heart. If you are 40 and not a Conservative, You have no Brain–Sir Winston Churchhill
Posted by: AmerVtrn | October 14, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am
The more I read on blogs the more I am absolutely amazed at how blatantly ignorant and totally uninformed so many people are in this country. Integrity just does not exist for far too many. So many people appear to base their opinions on the lies that are generated and then promoted by rumors; here-say; biased, media spin; allegations; accusations; party rhetoric that is totally slanted; propaganda; innuendo; scare tactics; angry, hate filled speeches promoting fear, intolerance and racism; and many of the radical, off the wall blogs who got their ‘facts’ from a bathroom wall or who knows where!
Facts = Truth! Truth = Integrity. Period.
So, here is a bit of truth for those of you who have no idea what you required to have to run for President.
The process of electing a President was set up in the United States Constitution. The Constitution requires a candidate for the presidency to be:
* At least 35 years old
* A natural born citizen of the United States
* A resident of the United States for 14 years
I can bet that all candidates have all ready been thoroughly checked out by the F. B. I. and the C. I. A a long time ago when they first got into politics by some manner and IF there was anything improper found out in a candidates background that would have been disclosed a long time ago. There are so many honest, fact checking organizations that are always researching everything that is said as supposed ‘fact’ to disprove it or validate it whatever the case might be. They are easy to find IF you are interested in knowing what the truth REALLY is!
But, alas, I keep reading outrageous, hate filled diatribes on so many different blogs and web sites that it is obvious that lies and distortions of so much rabid propaganda is everywhere – twisting the minds of the naive, uninformed & uneducated who read them and think they are the truth. How sad and how frightening. This is the 21st century, yet the narrow minded bigotry of centuries long ago is still alive and thriving in the minds of some people who call themselves Americans. Guess they have not read the Constitution nor the Bill of rights lately. It’s easier to stay stuck in the old ways of the old days of the past than to evolve and grow into a healthy, open minded change for our future. The ‘good ole days’ of the past are dead and gone. You cannot bring them back no matter how hard you scream about it so you can feel more secure in what is familiar to you. Hate and intolerance have no place in healthy, positive change. That change is coming whether you like it or not!
Posted by: Wendy Powers | October 14, 2008, 3:35 am 3:35 am
Which A$$ still doesnt get it that Ayers was on a Republican-run board: ANNENBERG – look it up. these attacks have failed. But Fix-News still keeps saying them thinking that will make them true.
McCain’s campaign is starting to smell of LOSER-DOM.
Key senior conservatives are jumping ship – Kristol, Florida governor, Hitchens…
This shows you the depths to which this campaign has fallen.
Not only will Obama-Biden win…but it looks like a landslide.
Palin is a deceiving and unscrupulous woman who appeals to the basest elements of her audience.
Posted by: any123 | October 14, 2008, 6:13 am 6:13 am
Jr, the only one that should be shutting their trap is Obama. Obama is really a socialist. Here is a quote from Obama himself that proves what he intends to do to the middle class. By the way, he was caught on tape saying this.
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Posted by: Mike from Texas | October 14, 2008, 7:06 am 7:06 am
“It’s not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you, that they’ve got a chance for success too,” Obama responded. “My attitude is that if the economy’s good for folks from the bottom up, it’s gonna be good for everybody … I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Posted by: Mike from Texas | Oct 14, 2008 7:06:11 AM
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DO YOU REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT QUOTES??! because we can bring up a few on McCain & (Oh GOD HELP US) Palin…
and we won’t even have to take them out of context! lol!
Posted by: GIGI | October 14, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am
GIGI: Because of people who think like you America is finished if Obama wins. Because of the liberal agenda of the last 50 years American society has decended into a pit of total lunacy. The Anti American reteric taught in our educational institutions has brought us where we are. Thanks to the murdering, philandering, drunken Ted Kennedy we are now over run with unbriddled immigration, legal and illegal. People come to this country for a better life so they say yet they cling to the traditions that drove them away distroying my traditions and way of life. My Christian faith and it’s beliefs are constantly under attack with no public out cry, but say something about a Muslim belief and there’s hell to pay. You declare your outrage when you hear McCain or Palin talking about Patriotism and America first because that kind of speech has been labled insensitive and racist by the now obvious world view news medias. Tell me one thing that YOU are proud of by being an American. I’ll bet you have to think about what you say for fear of upseting someone, right? Well here,s my thought to you and your kind. ‘MY COUNTRY FIRST, RIGHT OR WRONG” and if you or any other immigrant feels you are being persecuted by living here then buy a one way ticket back to where ever the hell you came from and don’t let the Statue of Liberty kick you in the ass on the way out! GOD I know it must be difficult but please keep on blessing America.
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am
Wendy Powers: I suppose that in your way of thinking I’m one of those people behind all of those adjectives you threw out there to describe the people that you don’t agree with. But let me ask you, who’s truth and who’s facts, yours? Do you trust your choice of candidate who sends out goon squads from A corn to steal an election. Believe me if your favorite little Muslim wins there will be blood in the streets. We will not give up this country to uncontrolled liberalism! That is a fact and a truth.
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am
Wright 101
Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Rev. Wright’s anti-Americanism
By Stanley Kurtz
It looks like Jeremiah Wright was just the tip of the iceberg. Not only did Barack Obama savor Wright’s sermons, Obama gave legitimacy — and a whole lot of money — to education programs built around the same extremist anti-American ideology preached by Reverend Wright. And guess what? Bill Ayers is still palling around with the same bitterly anti-American Afrocentric ideologues that he and Obama were promoting a decade ago. All this is revealed by a bit of digging, combined with a careful study of documents from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the education foundation Obama and Ayers jointly led in the late 1990s.
John McCain, take note. Obama’s tie to Wright is no longer a purely personal question (if it ever was one) about one man’s choice of his pastor. The fact that Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Wright’s anti-Americanism means that this is now a matter of public policy, and therefore an entirely legitimate issue in this campaign.
African Village
In the winter of 1996, the Coalition for Improved Education in [Chicago’s] South Shore (CIESS) announced that it had received a $200,000 grant from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. That made CIESS an “external partner,” i.e. a community organization linked to a network of schools within the Chicago public system. This network, named the “South Shore African Village Collaborative” was thoroughly “Afrocentric” in orientation. CIESS’s job was to use a combination of teacher-training, curriculum advice, and community involvement to improve academic performance in the schools it worked with. CIESS would continue to receive large Annenberg grants throughout the 1990s.
The South Shore African Village Collaborative (SSAVC) was very much a part of the Afrocentric “rites of passage movement,” a fringe education crusade of the 1990s. SSAVC schools featured “African-Centered” curricula built around “rites of passage” ceremonies inspired by the puberty rites found in many African societies. In and of themselves, these ceremonies were harmless. Yet the philosophy that accompanied them was not. On the contrary, it was a carbon-copy of Jeremiah Wright’s worldview.
Rites of Passage
To learn what the rites of passage movement was all about, we can turn to a sympathetic 1992 study published in the Journal of Negro Education by Nsenga Warfield-Coppock. In that article, Warfield-Coppock bemoans the fact that public education in the United States is shaped by “capitalism, competitiveness, racism, sexism and oppression.” According to Warfield-Coppock, these American values “have confused African American people and oriented them toward American definitions of achievement and success and away from traditional African values.” American socialization has “proven to be dysfuntional and genocidal to the African American community,” Warfield-Coppock tells us. The answer is the adolescent rites of passage movement, designed “to provide African American youth with the cultural information and values they would need to counter the potentially detrimental effects of a Eurocentrically oriented society.”
The adolescent rites of passage movement that flowered in the 1990s grew out of the “cultural nationalist” or “Pan-African” thinking popular in radical black circles of the 1960s and 1970s. The attempt to create a virtually separate and intensely anti-American black social world began to take hold in the mid-1980s in small private schools, which carefully guarded the contents of their controversial curricula. Gradually, through external partners like CIESS, the movement spread to a few public schools. Supporters view these programs as “a social and cultural ‘inoculation’ process that facilitates healthy, African-centered development among African American youth and protects them against the ravages of a racist, sexist, capitalist, and oppressive society.”
We know that SSAVC was part of this movement, not only because their Annenberg proposals were filled with Afrocentric themes and references to “rites of passage,” but also because SSAVC’s faculty set up its African-centered curriculum in consultation with some of the most prominent leaders of the “rites of passage movement.” For example, a CIESS teacher conference sponsored a presentation on African-centered curricula by Jacob Carruthers, a particularly controversial Afrocentrist.
Jacob Carruthers
Like other leaders of the rites of passage movement, Carruthers teaches that the true birthplace of world civilization was ancient “Kemet” (Egypt), from which Kemetic philosophy supposedly spread to Africa as a whole. Carruthers and his colleagues believe that the values of Kemetic civilization are far superior to the isolating and oppressive, ancient Greek-based values of European and American civilization. Although academic Egyptologists and anthropologists strongly reject these historical claims, Carruthers dismisses critics as part of a white supremacist conspiracy to hide the truth of African superiority.
Carruthers’s key writings are collected in his book, Intellectual Warfare. Reading it is a wild, anti-American ride. In his book, we learn that Carruthers and his like-minded colleagues have formed an organization called the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations (ASCAC), which takes as its mission the need to “dismantle the European intellectual campaign to commit historicide against African peoples.” Carruthers includes “African-Americans” within a group he would define as simply “African.” When forced to describe a black person as “American,” Carruthers uses quotation marks, thus indicating that no black person can be American in any authentic sense. According to Carruthers, “The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy.”
Carruthers’s goal is to use African-centered education to recreate a separatist universe within America, a kind of state-within-a-state. The rites of passage movement is central to the plan. Carruthers sees enemies on every part of the political spectrum, from conservatives, to liberals, to academic leftists, all of whom reject advocates of Kemetic civilization, like himself, as dangerous and academically irresponsible extremists. Carruthers sees all these groups as deluded captives of white supremacist Eurocentric culture. Therefore the only safe place for Africans living in the United States (i.e. American blacks) is outside the mental boundaries of our ineradicably racist Eurocentric civilization. As Carruthers puts it: “…some of us have chosen to reject the culture of our oppressors and recover our disrupted ancestral culture.” The rites of passage movement is a way to teach young Africans in the United States how to reject America and recover their authentic African heritage.
America as Rape
Carruthers admits that Africans living in America have already been shaped by Western culture, yet compares this Americanization process to rape: “We may not be able to get our virginity back after the rape, but we do not have to marry the rapist….” In other words, American blacks (i.e. Africans) may have been forcibly exposed to American culture, but that doesn’t mean they need to accept it. The better option, says Carruthers, is to separate out and relearn the wisdom of Africa’s original Kemetic culture, embodied in the teachings of the ancient wise man, Ptahhotep (an historical figure traditionally identified as the author of a Fifth Dynasty wisdom book). Anything less than re-Africanization threatens the mental, and even physical, genocide of Africans living in an ineradicably white supremacist United States.
Carruthers is a defender of Leonard Jeffries, professor in the department of black studies at City College in Harlem, infamous for his black supremacist and anti-Semitic views. Jeffries sees whites as oppressive and violent “ice people,” in contrast to peaceful and mutually supportive black “sun people.” The divergence says Jeffries, is attributable to differing levels of melanin in the skin. Jeffries also blames Jews for financing the slave trade. Carruthers defends Jeffries and excoriates the prestigious black academics Carruthers views as traitorous for denouncing their African brother, Jeffries. Carruthers’s vision of the superior and peaceful Kemetic philosophy of Ptahhotep triumphing over Greco-Euro-American-white culture obviously parallels Jeffries’ opposition between ice people and sun people.
More of Carruthers’s education philosophy can be found in his newsletter, The Kemetic Voice. In 1997, for example, at the same time Carruthers was advising SSAVC on how to set up an African-centered curriculum, he praised the decision of New Orleans’ School Board to remove the name of George Washington from an elementary school. Apparently, some officials in New Orleans had decided that nobody who held slaves should have a school named after him. Carruthers touted the name-change as proof that his African-centered perspective was finally having an effect on public policy. At the demise of George Washington School, Carruthers crowed: “These events remind us of how vast the gulf is that separates the Defenders of Western Civilization from the Champions of African Civilization.”
According to Chicago Annenberg Challenge records, Carruthers’s training session on African-centered curricula for SSAVC teachers was a huge hit: “As a consciousness raising session, it received rave reviews, and has prepared the way for the curriculum readiness survey….” These teacher-training workshops were directly funded by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Another sure sign of the ideological cast of SSAVC’s curriculum can be found in Annenberg documents noting that SSAVC students are taught the wisdom of Ptahhotep. Carruthers’s concerns about “menticide” and “genocide” at the hand of America’s white supremacist system seem to be echoed in an SSAVC document that says: “Our children need to understand the historical context of our struggles for liberation from those forces that seek to destroy us.”
When Jeremiah Wright turned toward African-centered thinking in the late 1980s and early 1990s (the period when, attracted by Wright’s African themes, Barack Obama first became a church member), many prominent thinkers from Carruthers’s Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations were invited to speak at Trinity United Church of Christ, Carruthers himself included. We hear echoes of Carruthers’s work in Wright’s distinction between “right brained” Africans and “left brained” Europeans, in Wright’s fears of U.S. government-sponsored genocide against American blacks, and in Wright’s embittered attacks on America’s indelibly white-supremacist history. In Wright’s Trumpet Newsmagazine, as in Carruthers’s own writings, blacks are often referred to as “Africans living in the diaspora” rather than as Americans.
Asa Hilliard
Chicago Annenberg Challenge records also indicate that SSAVC educators invited Asa Hilliard, a pioneer of African-centered curricula and a close colleague of Carruthers, to offer a keynote address at yet another Annenberg-funded teacher training session. Hilliard’s ties to Wright run still deeper than Carruthers’s. A close Wright mentor and friend, Hilliard died in 2007 while on a trip to Kemet (Egypt) with Wright and members of Wright’s congregation. Hillard was scheduled to deliver several lectures to the congregants, and to speak at a meeting of the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization, which he co-founded with Carruthers and other “African-centered” scholars. On that last trip, Hilliard accepted an appointment to the board of Wright’s new elementary school, Kwame Nkrumah Academy. Speaking of the need for such a school, Wright had earlier said, “We need to educate our children to the reality of white supremacy.” (For more on Wright’s Afrocentric school, see “Jeremiah Wright’s ‘Trumpet.’”)
Wright delivered the eulogy at Hilliard’s memorial service, with prominent members of ASCAC in the audience. To commemorate Hilliard, a special, two-cover double issue of Wright’s Trumpet Newsmagazine was published, with a picture of Hilliard on one side, and a picture of Louis Farrakhan on the other (in celebration of a 2007 award Farrakhan received from Wright). In short, the ties between Wright and Hilliard could hardly have been closer. Clearly, then, Wright’s own educational philosophy was mirrored at the Annenberg-funded SSAVC, which sought out Hilliard’s and Carruthers’s counsel to construct its curriculum.
Perhaps inadvertently, Wright’s eulogy for Hilliard actually established the fringe nature of his favorite African-centered scholars. In his tribute, Wright stressed how intensely “white Egyptologists recoiled at the very notion of everything Asa taught.” As Wright himself made plain, it seems virtually impossible to find respectable scholars of any political stripe who approve of the extremist anti-American version of Afrocentrism promoted by Hilliard and Carruthers.
Ayers’s Pals
An important exception to the rule is Bill Ayers himself, who not only worked with Obama to fund groups like this at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, but who is still “palling around” with the same folks. Discretely waiting until after the election, Bill Ayers and his wife, and fellow former terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn plan to release a book in 2009 entitled Race Course Against White Supremacy. The book will be published by Third World Press, a press set up by Carruthers and other members of the ASCAC. Representatives of that press were prominently present for Wright’s eulogy at Asa Hilliard’s memorial service. Less than a decade ago, therefore, when it came to education issues, Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, and Jeremiah Wright were pretty much on the same page.
Obama’s Knowledge
Given the precedent of his earlier responses on Ayers and Wright, Obama might be inclined to deny personal knowledge of the educational philosophy he was so generously funding. Such a denial would not be convincing. For one thing, we have evidence that in 1995, the same year Obama assumed control of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, he publicly rejected “the unrealistic politics of integrationist assimilation,” a stance that clearly resonates with both Wright and Carruthers. (See “No Liberation.”)
And as noted, Wright had invited Carruthers, Hilliard, and like-minded thinkers to address his Trinity congregants. Wright likes to tick off his connections to these prominent Afrocentrists in sermons, and Obama would surely have heard of them. Reading over SSAVC’s Annenberg proposals, Obama could hardly be ignorant of what they were about. And if by some chance Obama overlooked Hilliard’s or Carruthers’s names, SSAVC’s proposals are filled with references to “rites of passage” and “Ptahhotep,” dead giveaways for the anti-American and separatist ideological concoction favored by SSAVC.
We know that Obama did read the proposals. Annenberg documents show him commenting on proposal quality. And especially after 1995, when concerns over self-dealing and conflicts of interest forced the Ayers-headed “Collaborative” to distance itself from monetary issues, all funding decisions fell to Obama and the board. Significantly, there was dissent within the board. One business leader and experienced grant-smith characterized the quality of most Annenberg proposals as “awful.” (See “The Chicago Annenberg Challenge: The First Three Years,” p. 19.) Yet Obama and his very small and divided board kept the money flowing to ideologically extremist groups like the South Shore African Village Collaborative, instead of organizations focused on traditional educational achievement.
As if the content of SSAVC documents wasn’t warning enough, their proposals consistently misspelled “rites of passage” as “rights of passage,” hardly an encouraging sign from a group meant to improve children’s reading skills. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge’s own evaluators acknowledged that Annenberg-aided schools showed no improvement in achievement scores. Evaluators attributed that failure, in part, to the fact that many of Annenberg’s “external partners” had little educational expertise. A group that puts its efforts into Kwanzaa celebrations and half-baked history certainly fits that bill, and goes a long way toward explaining how Ayers and Obama managed to waste upwards of $150 million without improving student achievement.
However he may seek to deny it, all evidence points to the fact that, from his position as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Barack Obama knowingly and persistently funded an educational project that shared the extremist and anti-American philosophy of Jeremiah Wright. The Wright affair was no fluke. It’s time for McCain to say so.
— Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
Posted by: uncle sam | October 14, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am
bombem,
you are an idiot and I am sad that I have wasted my time conversing with you.
It is YOUR ass I hope that the Statue of Liberty kicks. Or better still, I hope that the NSA picks you up on a mistaken identity and put you in Gitmo and then you will find yourself unable to even prove your innocence coz you just lost all your Rights! (Thats what you want right? – Govt. ‘protecting’ the American people.)
Guys like you are threat to the gene pool.
Just for kicks I’d have Loved to see ya’lls faces after Obama becomes the next President of the US of A.
Posted by: TruAmerican | October 14, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am
uncle sam: Thank you. But I’m afraid all of your truths are falling on a lot of deaf ears. These Obama druged fools have no idea what their wishing for.
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am
It’s obvious to me and I’m sure to many others now that TruAmerican is nothing more than a border jumping illegal refuge who snuck over the Canadian line in the middle of the night on the way to some fast food store, probably in some Detroit Muslim enclave where he was offered a mimimum wage job. You should be in Gitmo were I served as a proud US Marine many years ago while you wondered around some Asian slum dreaming about some day of coming to MY country. Those lousy scum of the earth Muslim terrorists and that includes you should die and rot there as an example to all who would do harm to this country. You liberal, foreign, unpatriotic morons enjoy it while you can because all your doing is putting pressure on us Real Americans who are going to reach a point and say enough is enough. And I hope that’s when you see my face pointing to some pier where your sorry ass is going to get on a boat and go back to the hell you came from!! And if Obama should become President on Nov 4 you and your kind should start getting a little nervous on the 5TH.
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
It’s obvious to me and I’m sure to many others now that TruAmerican is nothing more than a border jumping illegal refuge who snuck over the Canadian line in the middle of the night on the way to some fast food store, probably in some Detroit Muslim enclave where he was offered a mimimum wage job. You should be in Gitmo were I served as a proud US Marine many years ago while you wondered around some Asian slum dreaming about some day of coming to MY country. Those lousy scum of the earth Muslim terrorists and that includes you should die and rot there as an example to all who would do harm to this country. You liberal, foreign, unpatriotic morons enjoy it while you can because all your doing is putting pressure on us Real Americans who are going to reach a point and say enough is enough. And I hope that’s when you see my face pointing to some pier where your sorry ass is going to get on a boat and go back to the hell you came from!! And if Obama should become President on Nov 4 you and your kind should start getting a little nervous on the 5TH.
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
There not blind, just educationally dumbed down for the last 50 years and saddled with a guilt complex thanks soley to the Anti American news media who will be held responsible for the chaos following this joke of an election.
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
Where’s TruAmerican? Probably shaving off his beard trying to change his appearance now that he’s been exposed.
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm
Senator McCain, you are not the only one in this campaign that has fought for their country. We are all in this campaign. Some will vote, some will not and some are not eligible. Millions of us have fought for our country whether it is in the military or public service. Hundreds of thousands have more than 20 hours of combat. Many suffered more severe injuries than you. The American people have paid you from the age of 17 to represent and defend us. That would make you a mercenary, no more and no less. We paid for your education at the Naval Academy and you gave us less than your best. We paid for your flight training and you gave us less than your best. As a reward for being ‘songbird’ as a POW, we paid for you to attend the National War College. Senator you make more than $250,000 a year and how many non government jobs have you created?
Posted by: Gareth | October 14, 2008, 4:12 pm 4:12 pm
Any one seen or heard from TruAmerican lately. He’s probably shaving off his beard trying to change his appearance now that he’s been exposed.
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm
Gee Gareth you sound like a spoiled sport. What do you do besides critisize?
Posted by: bombem | October 14, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
Christopher Buckley, the son of the respected conservative and the founder of the National Review, the late Bill Buckley (may his soul rest in peace) has resigned from National Review after endorsing Obama.
He was quoted as saying
” So, I have been effectively fatwahed (is that how you spell it?) by the conservative movement, and the magazine that my father founded must now distance itself from me. But then, conservatives have always had a bit of trouble with the concept of diversity. The GOP likes to say it’s a big-tent. Looks more like a yurt to me.
While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of “conservative” government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.
So, to paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan: I haven’t left the Republican Party. It left me.”
This is indeed a historic moment! Republicans with a conscience are dumping the McCain-Palin ticket and voting for Obama-Biden ticket.
Perhaps there is a God, and America has a future after all!
Posted by: Jane Sixpack | October 14, 2008, 10:29 pm 10:29 pm
The John McCain Fight Song (Stand up and Fight)
Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight
The big surge is working, yippee and hooray
So what if it costs us a billion a day
Our economy is in the tank anyway
We’ll leave it for the next generation to pay
Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight
Got me a cute fireball for VP
Don’t know who she is, but she looks good to me
Don’t know much about her but she’s great on TV
A heartbeat away—seems a good choice to me
Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight
My lifestyle could be considered quite cush
But you better believe I don’t sit on my tush
I’ve been working my buns off, voting with Bush
I’m a maverick who plays safe when shove comes to push
Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight
Let’s drill for oil, let’s poke holes in the ground
Let’s suck it all up ‘till there’s no more to be found
And in 25 years we’ll all hear the sound
Of the waves hitting Wall Street with no hope of rebound
Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight
We are the masters of our own fate
Why should we listen or negotiate
With God on our side we will charge from the gate
So come on and join us before it’s too late
Stand up, stand up. Stand up and fight
Don’t ask if it makes sense, don’t ask if it’s right
Just grab an American flag and hold tight
Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight
Posted by: Jane Sixpack | October 14, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm
I heard a rumor that John McCain is the frontrunner for a part in a new “I’ve fallen and can’t get up” commercial.
Posted by: Joy | October 14, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm
Obama is buying television. I have never seen such wasteful, over the top money on ads. No one watches them in the Va. area any more. People are desensitized to their frequency. If money can buy the election, Obama ought to win handily.
Posted by: rafraf | October 14, 2008, 11:31 pm 11:31 pm
Jane: “Perhaps there is a GOD”?
Posted by: bombem | October 15, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am