McCain Jumps on Another Biden Interview for Hit on Taxes

Gotta love Ya Joe I know what you promise but what have you guys ever done for the middle class you or Obama please someone enlighten me

If McCain had paid attention during the debates, he would know Obama’s tax plan includes same progressive rates for those making $200k to $250k, and lower rates for those making under $200k.
So by saying what he is saying now, he is either acknowledging that he can’t pay attention that long or he’s lying.

A vote for McCain/Palin is a vote to drive into the future using your rear-view mirror.
Obama/Biden 08

Paul,
Whatever you say, 0bama lied he would only raise taxes on those making $250K. The fact of matter is he will increase taxes for couples starting $110K.
A lie is a lie, it does not matter how he lied.
You have had a liar in Bush as your President; now you want to have an in-your-face liar again. Pity.

Another admission from the McCain campaign that their health care plan is nothing more than a bunch of right-wing platitudes thrown together without any real serious thought as to how to solve the health care crisis. From CNN:
Shorter Douglas Holtz-Eakin: John McCain’s health care plan won’t destroy the employer-based insurance system because McCain’s plan doesn’t work. Remember John McCain: Less jobs, more war? Well now it’s John McCain: More tax, less benefits.

Yawn…

I work for a company that our parent head quarters is oversees. I work in the accounting dept now so I know what our taxes are.
If we go from paying 20% tax to 33% tax I am afraid our company will consider moving to another country to save on tax.
That would leave 80 people to move with them (if we are invited)or find another job.
So if that happens which I am sure alot of other companies would consider this move also, we wont be paying taxes at all but getting everyone else’s wealth, but then there wont be any wealth because no one can afford to have a business.
It seems to me the wealth will be spread pretty thin.

Paul ,
I can promise you if Obama/biden win The tax rates for people making under 150,000 will go up it has to or he would be worse of a deficit spender than bush and regan combined

Angie,
Don’t cry when you actually see your paycheck is less than now, and you have to pay taxes on gas, grocery, clothing, utilities, garbage cleaning, and properties (if you have any).

Sorry guys
Biden gets a free pass…. especially when a hoot like McCain is bringing it up.
Hey folks. Go ahead and cry me a river. I have been crying for eight years now look at the “decider” run the country.
Your turn to cry.
Want a tissue?

What else is new Biden/Obama never get called to the carpet.Can someone tell me what either has done for the middle class in there careers??

Great…
All the USA needs now with all its problems …is a monkey and a moron in the white house

I work for a company that our parent head quarters is oversees. I work in the accounting dept now so I know what our taxes are.
Posted by: Angie | Oct 28, 2008 2:48:19 PM
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Zero understood this problem this way: These American companies moved to Communist and Socialist countries like China and Vietnam. So, socialism must be doing something right since capitalism has failed American companies. Therefore, we should practice socialism, from each according to his ability to each according to his need, so that we will be competitive against China economically. As a New, Changed 0bama Socialist America, it will be so attractive with low-cost labors and cheap materials, all those evil, profit-driven companies will be coming back to the US again. See, he will create jobs by spreading wealth.

It’s lovely to come to this board and see the desperation spinning out of control for the repugs. Not much to get excited about in your own candidates these days? I know…it sucks! Oh well, at least you have the bashing boards here at ABC….have fun!

I have been saying this all along and MBNA Joe finally let it slip through the cracks. There is simply not enough money for Obama to deliver on his promises. So this magical $250K will go down…way down. A college educated couple can easliy make $150K jointly. And that couple will get slammed by Obama because they will be considered “Rich” and his desire to spread the wealth around will come out of their hides. And don’t think for a second that Obama, Reid, Kennedy, Biden and Pelosi will be paying more! Heck NOOOO! Those millionaires will still have access to the tax free and foreign financial instruments that people (like us)earning less than $250 don’t have access too.

Obama Biden Tax Plan does give anyone below $250,000 a break and their plan is better than John McCain’s.
John McCain is giving the rich 10% break while only giving below $250,000 only approx 3.5%
Go to Tax Policy Center the expert nonpartisan site. All reference this site.
People Republicans have always given more to the rich and corporations. That is their whole philosophy. What this stance has done is pushed other groups even further down.
Barack Obama’s plan is actually quite good and is not higher than it was. Please read it all before listening to either candidate.

Paul – Biden was the one not paying attention – nor are you it would seem – the whole point was calling them on the differing statements… wow
Posted by: hummingbird | Oct 28, 2008 3:00:52 PM
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Why the hell it matters. $250K, $200K, $150K, or $43K, what the heck is the difference. They are all above minimum wage. They are all rich. They all should pay increased taxes to spread their wealth.
0bama has seen how difficult they are, those poor, less-educated street fighters in the southside.

MBNA Joe: “There is simply not enough money for Obama to deliver on his promises. ”
Where’s the money for McCain to deliver on his promises of taxcuts for everyone? All analysis indicate McCain is blasting a much bigger hole in the budget than Obama’s entire wish list combined. There is a reason that even President Bush saw extending his tax slashing indefinitely was impossible (and McCain agreed wholeheartedly – before he flip-flopped to pander for votes).

D0
stands for DOUCHE BAG
anyway, people under 150k get money back
250k have zero increase in taxes
and those above will have an increase starting at 121 bucks
you can check it all out on msnbc

Bhrandon,
Why do you keep eying to get money back from 0bama? Why cannot you have some higher spirits, the call of duty, asking not what your country can do for you. 0bama will need money, a lot of it, to do the common good for a Changed America. Don’t you think you should contribute more, a lot more, to propagate his cause? You are supporting him after all, ain’t you?

Obama and Biden have shown us how arbitrary this soo called $250,000 figure is. all I see is that when push comes to shove, nobody with a job is safe. they will find some reason to lower this number. “Its not fair that we have a job and they don’t.” is something that one could say. With congress having a supermajority, nothing can stop them from passing any spending or government increase, Neither Obama or McCain will be able to.

I don’t think it helps the McCain campaign when his own Senior Advisors are calling Paling a “whack job” and a “diva”.

I’m more worried about President Obama being tested by a world crisis than higher taxes. With a fragile market another attack on us will totally destroy the market and we will be back on soup lines. Biden predicts President Obama will be tested. And tested he will. Sorry I don’t have confidence in this man who likes waving white flags rather then fight to win.
On Nov. 5th I will be calling my broker and taking my money out of the market. I’d rather take the hit now before Obama is tested.He is too risky to pull us out of another 9/11 type of attack.
7 days counting to DOOMSDAY!!!

The French Embassy puts out a statement denying the Haaretz report that an Israeli official said President Sarkozy was troubled by his Iran policy:
The remarks attributed by the newspaper Haaretz to the president of the French Republic concerning Sen. Obama’s positions on Iran are groundless. To the contrary, the in-depth discussions between the president of the Republic and Sen. Obama on Iran during their meeting in Paris in July demonstrated a broad convergence of views on this issue. President Sarkozy and Sen. Obama agree to oppose Iran’s development of a military nuclear capability.
The statement doesn’t answer the question of whether Sarkozy is worried that Obama’s direct talks with Iran would get in the way of the current proces
funny that this story is being circulated on ABC on the day mccain camp is trying to redeploy its old false ad
also funny that abc is the only major network not able to air the obama 30 minute spot
jealous much?

Well, the other shoe will be dropping right on Obama’s head tomorrow.
So I don’t really think whether the “rich” limit is $150,000; $200,000; or $250,000 is going to matter very much then.

I’d rather work for a company that can afford to give me a raise, than have a small tax refund and no raise. If you tax the big (and small) companies more, they will cut costs to keep up profit. Guess where you have the most room to cut costs. Any guesses? How about payroll. You don’t give raises or you get rid of a few employees, or both. You can get the same amount of work out of fewer employees, because they will work harder to try to keep their job. So let a few go and watch productivity go up. Then you can let a few more go and not lose any profit. The downside to this is there are more unemployed living off of the ones who are working hard to keep their job. But that’s ok, Obama will save the day and tax the hard workers more to pay for the unemployed. It’s only fair, spread the wealth.
Go McCain

And about that McCain character, Blind ambition! His own words from McCain’s book Worth the Fighting For:
“I didn’t decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to become president because it had become my ambition to be president. I was 62 years old when I made the decision, and I thought it was my one shot at the prize…
“In truth, I’d had the ambition for a long time… it had been there, in the back of my mind, for years, as if it were simply a symptom of my natural restlessness.”
- John McCain
Stay anything, do anything, I wanna be POTUS dammit! Agenda?!? Who needs a stinkin AGENDA?

Obama does not want to talk about rasing payroll taxes which he is in favor of which corporations and employers pay which raise the cost of doing buissness

I don’t know how some of you keep saying it’s over. Since you Obots have put so much stock in the polls, today the gallup is within 2, rassmussen is within 4, how does that make it over. As far as that goes, I don’t remember it being Nov 4th yet. After the fat lady sings, then you can say it’s over.

Atom: “The fact of matter is he will increase taxes for couples starting $110K.”
How’d you come up with that?

10/28/2008:
Regarding his tax plain, from the Obama website today:
http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/
“Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.”

It seems that Obama’s ship has a leak. His own speech writer is leaving? Wendy Button is a big demo but not anymore according to her article. She’ll be voting Mccain by the way…

I think that way too many people have a what’s in it for me attitude. We need a president who will bring the USA long-term prosperity and security. Does anyone think Obama is going to provide this? He is a short term solution to the last 8 years. In fact many of the Obama supporters are just backing him becuase they despise Bush so much and they just keep hearing that magic word of CHANGE.
This is not the change we want or need–6 months into an Obama presidency be prepared for huge tax hikes regardless of what he states now we will all be affected. Do the math–you just can’t support that sort of government expansion and spending without increasing taxes from all angles. Why is it so hard to understand this? Perhaps McCain isn’t the best pick from the R pool, but he is a much safer bet them Obama and a hell of alot more trustful and truthful then Bush.

The number of influential Republicans for Obama continues to grow:
Gen. Colin Powell
Sen. Lincoln Chaffee, Rhode Island
Rita Hauser, Foreign Intelligence Board
Congressman Jim Leach, Iowa
Jim Whitaker, Mayor Fairbanks AK
Susan Eisenhower, grandaughter of IKE
How many Democrats have endorsed McCain?

Well, the other shoe will be dropping right on Obama’s head tomorrow.
So I don’t really think whether the “rich” limit is $150,000; $200,000; or $250,000 is going to matter very much then.
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Per McCain 5 Million is so 4.9 million is “Middle Class”

boofman: “…but he is a much safer bet them Obama and a hell of alot more trustful and truthful then Bush.”
Um, don’t agree there. We never had an opportunity to see McCain under the kind of scrutiny a presidential candidate gets, but now that we’ve had, he’s not a truthful guy.

samhiguchi,
STOP LIEING.
Here are the latest polls:
Rasmussen – Obama +5
Gallup – Obama +7
DG/Hotline – Obama +8
Reuters/C-Span/Zogby – Obama +4
Pew Research – Obama +15
ABC/Wash Post – Obama +7
Newsweek – Obama +12
Maybe you mistook the +12 for +2. There is a difference of 10 pts between the two. LOL.

Who gives a damn what France thinks?
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | Oct 28, 2008 3:40:42 PM
OBAMA

You dems can believe what you want to. Obama is just saying what he needs to to get elected. If he gets in office, Reid and Pelosi will be making the bills for Obama to sign. Guess what they want to do. Raise taxes, repeal offshore drilling, let Bush’s tax cuts expire, Raise all taxes, not just payroll taxes. They will make the Carter years look like the Reagan years. Listen to his past interviews, He’s going to take all he can from anyone with a positive cash flow and give to the 40% who don’t pay anything.

– Sarkozy just called him, short of the direct expression, “idiot”, so his policy, an idiotic Iran policy, because he was too polite –
From an unidentified Israeli government source, the reports reaching Israel indicate… blah, blah, blah..
Hmmmm, and yet, Sarkozy has all but endorsed Obama.. strange that this ‘information’ would somehow show up just before elections without any real citation as to it’s origin or accuracy.
Yet, we do have:
“In a quick visit to Paris for a meeting with President Nicolas Sarkozy of France, Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential candidate, said the two men agreed that Iran poses “an extraordinarily grave situation” with dangers to Israel, the West and the possibility of nuclear non-proliferation. The world, he said, must send “a clear message to Iran to end its illicit nuclear program.”
“Americans will chose their presidents, you know, not I,” Mr. Sarkozy said, demurring. “Good luck to Barack Obama. If he is chosen, then France will be delighted.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/26/world/europe/26obamacnd.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
“Speaking later at a news conference, Obama said Iran should accept the proposals made by Sarkozy and other Western leaders. He urged Iran’s leaders not to wait for the next U.S. president to push them “because the pressure, I think, is only going to build.”
So I guess Sarkozy and his proposal is ‘too polite’ as well.
Grasping at straws, apparently the favored tactic by the GOP these closing days.

fwtxn – you left out how the sky will fall and alien invaders will exterminate all humans with their spleen sucking tentacles.

The number of influential Republicans for Obama continues to grow:
Gen. Colin Powell
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | Oct 28, 2008 3:38:44 PM
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The question is why any true democrat who has integrity and honor would want the endorsement of a war criminal who sold Bush’s lies to the World, who destroyed America’s reputation by making false propaganda at the UN, who rigorously promoted the War, who kept silence when everything went hell and he knew it.
Do you have any principles, at all???
Blind supporters for a phony who has zero accomplishments of any sort, except deception.

Two prominent Republican newspapers have endorsed Obama:
The Chicago Tribune–never before in its 150 year history has it endorsed a Democrat for President
The Los Angeles Times–founded in 1881, has never before in its history endorsed a Democrat for President

Steve_NJ,
Politicians lie…even Obama and Biden… OMG !!!??!!!
Sift through everything and you will see that the best ticket for office is the McCain / Palin ticket.
Ideally there would be a party with common sense with all of the issues and enough money to campaign. Then we would not have to choose between the lesser of the two “evils” every election.
Don’t fall for the rhetoric and cheesy smiles…superficial, no substance.

http://hiphoprepublican.blogspot.com/

Concerned American ,
How about bill clinton if you believe he is pulling for Obama I have a bridge for you.

Concerned American,
You are funny.

The Republicans have lied so much they don’t even realize they’re lying anymore. Maybe if you sheep would put as much effort into educating yourselves as you do spreading disinformation people would take you seriously. Obama has clearly and repeatedly said that he will not raise taxes on families making less than $250k. The $200k amount is where tax CUTS kick in. The $150k Biden mentioned was simply a mistake (or maybe applied to a single taxpayer). You think you’d be used to mistakes after watching Sarah Palin. The ONLY tax increase Obama plans is for those making above $250k (NOT any of you, that’s for sure), and it’s only to the pre-Bush levels. Was every president before Bush a socialist?!?! Not that it matters, you are all a bunch of desperate, brain-washed racists and will believe what you want anyway.
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/taxes/Factsheet_Tax_Plan_FINAL.pdf

– How about bill clinton if you believe he is pulling for Obama I have a bridge for you. –
Hey, I’ll take his word over yours, no offense meant of course :)
“Bill Clinton, comparing his own upstart campaign to Barack Obama’s, declared before a packed Denver convention center Wednesday evening that the newly minted Democratic presidential nominee “is the man for this job.”
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/08/27/bill-clinton-obama-is-the-man-for-this-job/

Aaaaarrrrgggghhhhh! Why can’t you Democrats and independents (and even cross-over Republicans) understand what is so painfully obvious?
Obama is the anti-Christ, and upon his election the prophecies of the Joe the Plumber will begin to come true. Locusts, taxes, Clint Eastwood riding around painting our towns red, gay marriage, cats and dogs sleeping together…

Before everyone drinks The One’s Kool-Aid about the need for a big CHANGE in our economic principles, let’s take a look at some real economic indicators of the health of the US vs. more ‘enlightened’ countries that prefer to spread the wealth a bit more.
The lesson? Be very careful what you wish for. While the numbers aren’t pretty for the U.S., we are faring much better than the rest of the world that hasn’t fully evolved to our economic system. I suggest we don’t reverse course.
Per capita GDP (2007):
U.S. $45,790
Canada $35,729
Germany $33,154
U.K. $33,535
France $33,414
Italy $29,935
Spain $31,312
Austria $38,153
Sweden $36,365
Belgium $34,459
Unemployment Rate (9/08):
U.S. 6.1%
Canada 6.1%
Germany 7.6%
U.K. 5.7%
France 7.2%
Italy 6.8%
Spain N/A
Austria 4.6%
Sweden 5.6%
Belgium 6.6%
YOY Growth in Real GDP (6/08):
U.S. 2.1%
Canada 1.2%
Germany 1.7%
U.K. 0.3%
France 1.1%
Italy -0.1%
Spain 1.8%
Austria 2.0%
Sweden 0.9%
Belgium 1.9%
World Stock Markets One Year Total Return (U.S. = S&P 500; Non-US = MSCI Country Indices)
U.S. -38.3%
Canada -54.7%
Germany -50.1%
U.K. -55.5%
France -53.3%
Italy -59.8%
Spain -56.5%
Austria -72.2%
Sweden -62.2%
Belgium -74.0%

Paul wrote:
fwtxn – you left out how the sky will fall and alien invaders will exterminate all humans with their spleen sucking tentacles.
Paul,
Only someone who believes Obama, could believe there are alien invaders with spleen sucking tentacles. Everyone elso knows they have ray guns. And you never know, that could be the test for Obama that Biden talked about.

Progressive tax rates? Progressive tax rates? Why, that’s… socialism!
And don’t tell me we’ve had progressive tax rates for 90 years! Don’t tell me we’ve got lots of programs that redistribute money to those who need help. Don’t tell me a lot of those programs started under Republican administrations. It’s socialism I say!
And if Obama is a socialist, then he must be a communist, and a Marxist, and a Stalinist, too!
He’s evil! I’ll bet he has the mark of the best somewhere on his head!

He’s evil! I’ll bet he has the mark of the best somewhere on his head!
Posted by: Paul | Oct 28, 2008 4:01:28 PM
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THE POINT IS TO CHANGE IT
- Tombstone, Karl Marx
Revolution We Can Believe In!
- Chairman Mao Zedong
Change We Can Believe In!
- Barack 0bama
No, it’s from his mouth.

– The question is why any true democrat who has integrity and honor would want the endorsement of a war criminal who sold Bush’s lies to the World –
Umm, I believe the McCain was one of the loudest calling for the unprovoked invasion on Iraq.. And apparently you didn’t read the reasons given by Powell.. funny that.
And of course, the former supreme commander of NATO, Wesley Clark writes:
While I respect John McCain’s service, I know exactly what he stands for — Bush’s third term. America is a great nation, and our people deserve more. We need Barack Obama to be our next president.
http://www.awesclarkdemocrat.com/2008/06/wesley_clark_endorses_obama_fo.htm
Sure beats that Al-Qaeda endorsement that McCain got, huh?
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10/22/al-qaeda-linked-web-site-backs-mccain-president/
And yet they do both seem to agree that McCain would just be a 3rd term of Bush.

So that’s it. I’ve changed sides. I’ve seen the error of my ways.
Go Palin/McCain! End those progressive tax rates (I’ll selectively ignore your tax proposal is progressive as well).
I’ll forget everything I know about business so I can parrot your mantras – Obama will kill jobs, Obama will deepen the recession…
I’ll imagine the world would be a little better place if we just shove everyone a little bit harder, and I’ll forget that the theory is yet to work on any playground.
I’ll force myself to pretend Palin isn’t spouting incoherent gibberish and just assume she must be talking in tongues.

Concerned American: “Umm, I believe the McCain was one of the loudest calling for the unprovoked invasion on Iraq.”
Yer darned right he was, on Letterman in October 2001 if not before. And those Iraqis had it coming, as McCain then said, because there is a chance they could have been involved in the anthrax attacks. And the fact we now know they weren’t doesn’t change the fact they could have been (if they had retained any of their biological weaponry, that is).
So I say, they had it coming! And McCain was right on the surge! And I don’t care how many billions its costing us every month!

Concerned American,
Now Powell is your supporter so that all he did was explainable, it was all a OK, it was all good judgment now that he has another good judgment of supporting another mistake in Zero, it was all a OK to have no integrity and honor by keeping silence in his power, or it is all a OK to blindly follow and promote lies that have killed thousands of american lives, not to mention Iraqis since they do not worth as much.
It’s all because Mr. Powell has the good heart of supporting a phony.
Concerned, we are not talking about McCain. We are talking about 0bama.
You still have not answer the question. Where is your principles on this War – just because he supports you now, he was a good man made the war possible; You, Mr. 0bama?

what the hell is the Oblama camp talking about? THEIR PLAN HAS NO TAX CUTS AT ALL! It is all wealth transfer payments – and yes it is exactly what you think it looks like – WELFARE PAYMENTS!
Socialist wealth redistribution pure and simple! Its amazing all of you cannot see this. A vote for Oblama means you are either voting as you would get more money or you are an idiot!

– Now Powell is your supporter so that all he did was explainable, –
Your straw man arguments do you no good. I do not condone what McCain/Bush/Powell/Rice/et al did, nor do not support the unprovoked invasion and continued occupation of Iraq, and do not support our continued engagement in that country and the continued loss of life there.
If you have a problem with Powell, you should take it up with him.. and regardless of what Powell thinks or believes, any attempt to project those thoughts or beliefs at that juncture on Obama is yet another pathetic attempt at what the GOP has been trying to sling for months now, and only works on those ignorant enough to fall for it.

amazed801 – right! Tell ‘em. Next thing you know Obama will be taxing lemonade stands. Its all there… in the secret plans he doesn’t put up on the website.
I’m telling ya, this guy is the anti-Christ. And, what, are you going to believe anything the anti-Christ says?
If so, extra locusts for you. But you’ll be taxed on them.

Paul–Note: Representatives of the Obama campaign have informed the authors that the campaign is not committed to the full 12.4 hike in the payroll tax. An increase in the payroll tax is merely one of many different tax increases that are being considered for those making over $250,000. The Obama campaign implies that the tax increase on those earning over $250,000 may not be limited to earnings but also cover different types of income. Despite questioning, the campaign has not provided any more details.

– Tax shelters and tax avoidance strategies were common when the top marginal rate was 70 percent or higher. –
When was that, WWII?
Certainly not within my lifetime, and doubtfully within yours either. Where did you dig up this garbage?

Obamacans are going to make a differnce, along with the Reverse Bradley Effect.

I can not wait President Obama

McCain would cut taxes across the board and give the biggest cuts to the highest-income households.
Posted by: amazed801 | Oct 28, 2008 4:42:22 PM
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Amazed,
Realized that the rich gets the biggest cuts because they have paid more, not because they have greater tax rate cut.
That two people, one makes $1,000,000, and one makes $20,000, both receive $2,000 tax cuts has entirely meanings. It certainly does not mean they received the same tax cut.

What I am constantly amazed at is people actually think Obama is truly qualified to be president when no one knows who he is other than a great stage performer and orator. We can’t look at his voting record to see where he stands on issues because most of the time he didn’t vote he was just “present”. We do know his friends and associates for the last 20 yrs are Anti-american radicals, and admitted marxists, but supposedly that doesn’t count (even though the natural human tendency is to befriend and surround yourself with like minded people). He can only talk about more government programs than you can shake a stick at for “fixing” what he thinks is wrong with america. Well that’s socialism. Then he wants to make the tax fair by taxing the rich and giving it to the poor… that’s redistribution of wealth and that’s called communism. His tax “CUT” is not a cut it’s a “CREDIT” which is completely different than an actual cut. Yet people are panting and drooling about someone they truly know nothing about. Amazing folks, amazing. What would possibly possess someone to support this man for president? It would be like hiring an amateur golfer who’s never played any other sport, to run a pro baseball team. You’d be out of your mind…

Concerned American,
“And of course, your one sided observation ignores the fact that McCain was disappointed Powell did not endorse him, yet still ‘respects and admires’ him”
Look, they are on the same boat, and of course McCain was disappointed not getting his endorsement. They both believe in the War, although they have differences in expressing, and pursuing different strategies on the execution.
The question still is why is 0bama so honored by the endorsement from a person who rigorously promoted the War, if not someone who is a war criminal.
Don’t you find it hypocrite in what he tells his supporters – against the war – and in what he actually is – honored for getting the support by the person who started the War?
Then, since you are obviously, as I do, against the war in Iraq, what is your integrity for supporting someone who tells you he was against the war, but actually enjoys the company by the person who started the War?

– We can’t look at his voting record to see where he stands on issues because most of the time he didn’t vote he was just “present”. –
I’d hardly call 130 times out of 4000 “most of the time”.. seems you haven’t even bothered checking the sound bites coming out of the GOP.. And lets ignore the fact that McCain has missed more votes in this session of Congress than any other Senator, some 64% of them.
Of course, if you actually did want to verify the misinformation, you can easily do so.. want his Illinois record on legislation:
http://www.ilga.gov/sitemap.asp
Or want his voting record in this session of congress?
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/
Or, most telling, how about what legislation he has worked on while in US Congress?
http://thomas.loc.gov
A quick search for what legislation each candidate sponsors will quickly show you where each ones priority is, and the difference is pretty stark.. Guess which one is more focused on Americans and issues which directly effect America the most?

This tax plan is almost the same as the one that John McCain put forward about 7 years ago with the same logic. There’s all kinds of video to support that fact. He’s just using this for bullying and name calling. I’d say he’s callin the kettle black.

– Then, since you are obviously, as I do, against the war in Iraq, what is your integrity for supporting someone who tells you he was against the war, but actually enjoys the company by the person who started the War? –
I’m voting for Obama, not Powell. Obama opposed the war.. He submitted legislation to end the war. Powell simply endorses Obama, and does not speak for him. You really need to get over your grasping at reasons to oppose Obama and perhaps look at the reasons why (if any) you support McCain.

A quick search for what legislation each candidate sponsors will quickly show you where each ones priority is, and the difference is pretty stark..
Posted by: reddog0216 | Oct 28, 2008 5:19:12 PM
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Of the 100 US Senators, there is only one who has written (not just attached his name – cosponsoring) exactly Zero legislation. Zero is the one.

Dear fellow Marxists (both in-the-closet and the card carrying types),
Did you know that the top 4% of wage earners paid 51% of personal income taxes in 2005?
Anyone care to guess what share of the tax burden was borne by the bottom 53.5% of filers? Try 9%.
This is absurd. The wealthy are not paying their fair share!! So what if they work harder. The proletariat demand more, More, MORE!!!
Source doc:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/05inrate.pdf

– That depends on what each person is concerned with –
True.. if you want a military man who also likes to spend money on boxing associations, then McCain is your man.. if instead you support equal rights, better health care and drug testing, ethics reform and transparency in government, increased fuel efficiency, reduced green house emissions, faster switch to alternative fuels, reduced gas prices by restoring regulations to prevent future trading abuse, improved quality of life, etc.. then Obama is your man.
As for that military man, as the former supreme commander of NATO says about him:
“Like Bush, McCain has always been for the use of force, force, and more force. In my experience, the only time to use force is as a last resort. When John McCain talks about throwing Russia out of the G8 and makes irresponsible comments about bombing Iran, he reveals his own disrespect for the office of the presidency.”

– Did you know that the top 4% of wage earners paid 51% of personal income taxes in 2005? –
And the top 1% controls roughly 40% of this nations wealth.. and McCain would like to see that number expand by giving them even larger tax cuts.. go figure!

Dear Concerned American,
I share your concerns about Mr. McCain. He has the audacity to let those who made good decisions, studied hard in school, invested wisely, took risks, created jobs, lived within their means, and worked long hours, keep their money. How dare he!
It belongs to the state. McSame should be ashamed and the rest of us should be very afraid.
Regards,
Karl

– I share your concerns about Mr. McCain. He has the audacity to let those who made good decisions, studied hard in school, invested wisely, took risks, created jobs, lived within their means, and worked long hours, –
I hardly see how by taxing me more so he can give it to the wealthy ‘keeping my money’.
>> How dare he!
Indeed!

HOW DO YOU DECIDE.
What do you consider in making your decision. WHO DO YOU VOTE FOR. You’re stuck between a rock and a hard place. On one hand, you have the Republicans who have been in control over the government for a long period of time and seem to have managed to screw things up. They have a war in Iraq where they’ve spent over $650,000,000,000.00 ($650 billion) to date and counting. They are bailing out financial corporations in the tune of $700,000,000,000.00 ($700 billion).
My question is this….who made all the money that these corporations have lost. Who will really benefit from this bailout. You have big corporations like Mobil and Exxon making billions of dollars in profit. Are they sharing any of their profits with us? Price of gasoline has gone up and they say it’s because there are not enough refineries. Are these companies mitigating the situation by building more refineries with ther profits. They seem to use the same lame excuse each time there is a hurricane. Why the hell don’t they build refineries away from the hurricane susceptible areas.
But how do you decide who to vote for. You have McCain who is a Republican, then you have Obama who is a LIAR. WHO DO YOU VOTE FOR, THE LIAR OR THE REPUBLICAN. As I mentioned before, I am a Democrat and supported Hillary but will never vote for that LIAR OBAMA. Consider this, how’s Obama going to pay for all the record amounts he received for his campaign. He claims that he received it from donors who donated in small amounts of $200.00 or less. We know that’s a lie because a partial list of his top contributors are as follows:
- Goldman Sachs ……………….. – $430,000+
- UBS AG …………………………….. – $286,000+
- JP Morgan Chase & C0…….. – $274,000+
- Exelon …………………………………- $269,000+
- Kirkland and Ellis………………. – $256,000+
- University of Chicago…………. – $252,000+
- Lehman Brothers ………………. -$240,000+
and so on…..
what’s he going to tell the lobbyist for these companies “go away I don’t need you anymore.” I don’t think so. McCain already demonstrated his love for this country. He is willing to die for his beloved country and its peoples’ interest. On the other hand, Obama has not demonstrated his love for his country, instead he attended a church for 17 years where the pastor says “GOD DAMN AMERICA”. Obama lacks good judgment.
At a time of CRISIS, when DEPRESSION is being talked about, we need somebody who will place the country and its peoples’ interest first and not his party affiliation.
MCCAIN IS A BETTER CHOICE.
I AM A DEMOCRAT, BUT I AM VOTING FOR MCCAIN.
MCCAIN FOR PRESIDENT OF AMERICA, THE COUNTRY THAT I LOVE.

And of course, your only defense of McCain is more attacks against Obama..
Posted by: Concerned American | Oct 28, 2008 5:50:28 PM
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Why do I defend McCain? I see 0bama unfit, just as George W. Bush is, to the job that he is seeking from me.

“OBAMA IS LIKE BUSH”
THAT WAS LAST WEEKS ATTACK, THIS WEEK ITS ALL ABOUT THE ECONOMY. MAYBE YOU MISSED THE MEMO!
OBAMA/BIDEN ’08!!!

Concerned,
Of “propose to use $100 billion in the next 10 years”, it must be $1 trillion. This old toothless one has been struggling with memory loss.

Randy,
Politicians lie….Democrats lie….OMG???!!!!
McCain/Palin ’08

What amazes me is how the heck these conservatives know what Obama is gonna do before the election is even over.
Hindsight is 20/20 (Bush)
The future is anybody’s guess

Posted by: factcheck | Oct 28, 2008 6:11:18 PM
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McCain, although far short than adequate, has nevertheless proposed to build 45 nuclear plants in the next 10 years. It is too late, but I have suggested 5 months ago if I were him I would propose to use $100 billion in the next 10 years to develop the technology and waste reprocessing in nuclear energy, making it a 70-80% of the total energy by 2050.
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The technology for waste reprocessing already exists. The site for disposing of fission products already exists as well. So there isn’t much cost, except for political lubrication. I believe also, as part of NRC rules, all commercial plants in the last 4 decades have had to factor in a cost of decommissioning including fuel and waste disposal. As for 1990 or so, I believe it was a $4Trillion trust fund that the 100+ reactors nationwide had paid out in decommissioning costs.
The primary target are the basalt hill in southern Nevada known as Yucca Mountain and some of my colleagues are familiar with the material, the cracks and the transport processes in such materials.
So the money is supposed to be there to do the reprocessing and disposal, unless Congress raided it like Social Security long ago.
But one point of concern over moving from a pure U-235 light water cycle to a Pu-239/U-235 combined fuel cycle as we’d have with reprocessed fuel, would be the slightly faster and more abundant neutron cycle. This skews the spectrum of neutrons and would require considerable more research in designing negative void coefficient light water reactors and passively cooled reactors. This would require a much large regulatory body with many experts world-wide to participate in a renewed effort, much like the commission put together to originally fill all the pieces in 10CFR50 (Title 10 Code of Federal Regulations chapter 50).

Posted by: Lucky Lucy | Oct 28, 2008 6:38:59 PM
What amazes me is how the heck these conservatives know what Obama is gonna do before the election is even over.
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The problem is that nobody knows what Obama is going to do because he has modified his story to smoothly change his position to move toward the center.
And it’s this lack of foresight and the unknown that breeds mistrust. That should be obvious.
But what people do know, that Obama would raise taxes on the top 5%, perhaps as much as the top 20% of income earners is very disturbing in these slow economic times. Since we have Congressional data that shows he shouldn’t do that.
http://www.house.gov/jec/fiscal/tx-grwth/reagtxct/reagtxct.htm
Obama would do himself a favour by coming clean and unsealing all documents about himself and his history.

“Drilling for more isn’t going to help a bit. Alternative fuels, which we should have started a shift to back in the 70′s when the handwriting was on the wall, is the only solution.”
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I don’t disagree on the alternative fuels part. But in Canada, some provinces like B.C. went with CNG vehicles. That’s died out. The range was insufficient and people had to refeul often. Perhaps with some combination hybrid, and extreme mileage vehicles, CNG might work.
Biofuels are a problem. They currently depend on just a VERY small fraction of the biomass. We can’t yet convert the 99% of the cellulose fibre of the plants and need to process the fruit or grain of the plant which is very small in mass. Not the most efficient of ways to leverage sunlight.
Plus the thermodynamic stability of a photon allowing it to traverse space to the tune of many light years without destruction indicates low probability of high conversion ratio with photovoltaics. We can break even with the right materials. But not overly so like with nuclear fuels.
A solution to reduction in transport fuels would be to incentivize electric vehicles and fund much more research an competition in battery technology and materials for composite vehicles that meet NHTSA standards. This would allow urban and suburban transport with plug in efficiency at 220VAC or 115VAC. But to feed the new transportation electricity demand we’d need more electric power production. Nuke plants aren’t a bad idea.

“Drilling for more isn’t going to help a bit. Alternative fuels, which we should have started a shift to back in the 70′s when the handwriting was on the wall, is the only solution.”
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The US has 3% of the world’s proven reserves and 18% of the speculative reserves. At current consumption rates, that 3% can last 18 years for all the consumption in the US. By providing just half, this can stabilize futures prices and control prices. That effect alone would be good at preventing oil shocks. We could be drilling and shipping crude in under 3 years if we wanted to.
At the same time, exploring new ways to detect oil and extract it from speculative reserves is another area that could benefit from research. This could add another 100 years at current consumption rates.
Tied to more aggressive CAFE standards, it’s a good bridge strategy that gets us from a crude oil economy to an alternative fuel, whatever that may be.

Posted by: Rose Szymanski | Oct 28, 2008 7:24:16 PM
When are you people going to wise up the last 8 years destroyed the middle class you are either rich or poor or below the poverty level and it is these people the poor and below the porverty level the pay so the rich can get richer. And believe it you heard it before I will not raise taxes as said by you know who and what did he do and used the excuse that he didn’t know things were as bad as he found out once he was in the white house, It isn’t going to matter who gets in taxes will go up you can’t keep borrowing from Peter to pay Paul, Peter wants paid back then what happens tell him to kiss your butt???
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Part of living in a capitalistic society is the acceptance of a free market with an invisible hand that determines what a fair wage and fair cost are for any good or service.
Part of the premise is that labour has mobility. It will move from one type of job to another as the economy moves. That movement isn’t necessarily smooth and easy, but requires retooling, re-education, and will to move. The free market punishes those who don’t adapt and rewards those that do.
Under Clinton, we hit upon a tech boom. With many technologies that the US had already developed, we were the center of the world and offered the most jobs. But as we slowed our development, other nations have begun to adopt the new technologies. And worldwide, the highest paying jobs have shifted from manufacturing to more intellectual-property jobs like software.
For the portion of the poor who don’t re-educate themselves, they’ll likely to be left in the dust. For those kids and college students still thinking about basket weaving and political science or music appreciation, the chances of finding good jobs is low unless they are the best in the world at what they do.
Better would be a recognition by the public that we individually have the opportunities to go out and get a great tech job if we only had the experience. And there’s no better time than now to get that experience.
My small group recently had 5 open reqs for technical staff all in the $100k+ salaried range. I must have interviewed many dozens of folks and found just 1 person qualified here in the US to fill one of the jobs. I have many candidates in China or India who can qualify.
In short, Americans might want to ask themselves first what they can do to seek and secure jobs that are likely to pay well and stick around for a while and then to pursue positions in that market, rather than looking for a $1000 handout which probably won’t last very long.

McCain can’t run his compaign, so what makes anyone think he can run a country. He just wants to be President so bad, he has sold his soul to the devil. If he can’t stand up to his party or his campaign team, how is going to stand up to other countries for us.
So someone says something he doesn’t like, is going to roll his eyes and refuse to look athem or speak to them again. Or worse yet, make up lies about what they said to make imself look good. That’s going to be great foreign policy.
He keeps saying he’s been tested. HOW has he been tested? Does being a POW make you prepared to be President? Does crashing planes improve you brain cell capacity? I don’t know about anybody else, but I find this very scary.
Also, if he’s been busy voting with Bush, 90% of the time, what is he going to do different that he hasn’t done in 26 years of trying? Does he have one original thought in his head?
Everyone is so busy trying to make Obama a Marxist or socialist, I guess they figure that if he is one, then all members of Congress will be one too and all he has to do is write and pass his own bills without asking them.
Anyway, it’s a mute point. BAILOUT=SOCIALISM. With the way the economy is and the way this bailout is helping no one but the fat cats, neither Obama or McCain will be able to do diddly squat about tax increases or cuts until they can figure out what the hell is going on with that money.
Regardless, I feel more comfortable with putting my trust in Obama than the erratic McCain. At least Obama will be listening to what is been said instead of being closed and narrowminded. McCain would simply be to big of a gamble. (In fact, he’s probably gambling with his casino buddies now on his chances of winning :-).

We will have a Marxis, Islamic, Black Suprimist government.

The unemployment rate is determined by how many people are looking for work, If your one of the ones that gave up after a few months your not included…..Steve I don’t know where you got your figures but I don’t come even close to any of those for any country.

Perspective–Obama doesn’t just want to “cut taxes” he wants to “spread the wealth” basically make it a classless society, (Marxism). You are looking at little to no ambition. Why work extra hours or try to get that promotion making more money, when you will be taxed so much you are making what you did before the promotion?
Clinton had a surplus, but he taxed the h*ll out of us. What good was the surplus when we were getting attacked by Al Qaeda. U.S.S. Cole bombed- Clinton did NOTHING, 2 U.S. Embassy’s bombed- Clinton did NOTHING. But gosh darn it, we had a surplus! What good did it do for us when Al Qaeda was planning 9/11 for 2 yrs. They got away with everything during Clinton, they saw us as weak, just as Al Qaeda and the other terrorist groups see Obama. We will never have a surplus with Obama, because his socialist programs will either bankrupt us completely or we will all be taxed to death.
TWO unnecessary wars??? WE WERE ATTACKED ON 9/11 doofus. I guess you would prefer that we allow Al Qaeda to attack and kill 3,000 more innocent people? Don;t tell me you are one of those appeasing idiots. “Oh, Bin Laden we are so sorry we made you mad, what can we do to make you like us again? Wear a burka and read the Qaran?”
Even with Bush’s legacy of 9/11-the first 6 yrs we had consumer confidence at a 2 1/2 yr high, unemployment rate was a low 4.5%, Dow Jones hit a reocrd high of 14,000, Americans were buying cars, taking vacations, gas prices were low, then…..
A liberal Democratic Congress, with Pelosi at the helm and now here we are!

When John McCain talks about throwing Russia out of the G8 and makes irresponsible comments about bombing Iran, he reveals his own disrespect for the office of the presidency.”
Posted by: Concerned American
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BOZO- you are as naive and as geopolitically inept as That One, when it comes to foreign policy.
You may want to ask our NATO allies Sarkozy, Merkel, etc. how they feel about Mr. Naive – That Marxist/Radical One! We already know how our allies feel about McCain!
Oh yes, Obama gave them already a “preview” of how “incompetent” he is and would be if elected. He screwed up the Russia-Georgia issue and then went on to say that he would bomb Pakistan! And, this during a formal event – a presidential debate!
Guess what BOZO…our NATO allies are with us on both the Russia and Iran issues. Both Russia and Iran better behave themselves, or else…
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Watch video:
Obama Fails on Russia Georgia Conflict
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/obama-fails-on-russia-georgia-conflict/1199615842/?icid=VIDURV04
Obama Fails…
Hillary’s Full Press Release Statement 4/18/2008
Statement by Hillary Clinton on Georgia and Ukraine:
“I am deeply disturbed by the latest Russian actions regarding Georgia, and Russia’s broader policies towards its neighbors. Several weeks ago I called on NATO to extend a Membership Action Plan (MAP) to Georgia and Ukraine at the Bucharest Summit. I emphasized that this move would be a litmus test for the success of President Bush’s leadership of the trans-Atlantic community. My support for MAP was based on the need to send a positive signal to Tbilisi and Kyiv to encourage them to stay on track with their positive reforms as well as to send a signal of our concern to Moscow about the future security of these countries. I deeply regret President Bush’s inability to convince our NATO allies to take this action. This is the first time in memory a U.S. President has traveled to a NATO summit and failed to achieve his publicly proclaimed goals. Now the Russian government has taken advantage of the lack of unity coming out of the Bucharest Summit to further ratchet up the pressure on young democracies on its borders. Moscow’s actions this week to strengthen ties with the separatist regions of Abkhazia and South Ossetia undermine the territorial integrity of the state of Georgia and are clearly designed to destabilize the government of President Mikheil Saakashvili. Georgia is a small democratic state in a turbulent region. It must not be allowed to be undermined. Two weeks ago President Bush sat with President Putin in Sochi just a few kilometers away from the Georgian border. He prided himself on his close working relationship with Vladimir Putin. President Bush should call on the Russian leadership to immediately rescind these steps. I also call on President Bush to immediately send a senior representative to Tbilisi to show our support for the government of Georgia. The United States should raise this matter in the United Nations Security Council, in a special 26+1 session of NATO’s North Atlantic Council (NAC), and in the NATO-Russia Council. Russia needs to hear a unified message from the United States and our European partners about our shared commitment to Georgia’s security and territorial integrity. These are not the only Russian moves that I have found troubling. Senior Russian officials have engaged in a pressure campaign to prevent Ukraine from seeking deeper ties with NATO. President Putin even raised the prospect of retargeting nuclear missiles against Ukraine. I am not advocating, nor do I envisage, a return to a new Cold War with Russia, which I believe ought to remain in the G-8, where the United States and its allies can together address our growing list of concerns with Moscow. But the current Administration’s mishandling of Russian relations has contributed to Moscow’s belief that it can do as it pleases. America and its allies can and must do better.”
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/obama-fails-on-russia-georgia-conflict/1199615842/?icid=VIDURV04

Israel Today – Headline News
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Israel Today Staff
Report: France’s Sarkozy blasts Obama over Iran
French President Nicolas Sarkozy fears that a Barak Obama victory in the upcoming US presidential election could irrevocably damage the West’s already-feeble stance against a nuclear Iran, Israeli government sources told Ha’aretz.
The sources said that reports reaching them from Paris are that Sarkozy is harshly critical of Obama’s positions vis-a-vis Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
In remarks made behind closed doors, the French leader is said to have referred to Obama’s stance on Iran as “utterly immature” and “empty of all content.”
Obama visited Paris in July and discussed the Iran issue at length with Sarkozy. Following those talks, Sarkozy was said to be concerned that if elected, Obama would spurn the positions of France, Russia, China, Germany and the UK and engage in direct, unconditional dialogue with Iran.
http://www.israeltoday.co.il/default.aspx?tabid=178&nid=17418

How do you deflate Obama’s over-inflated ego?? Sarkozy l’ Americain apparently has the answer!… :>
Poor Obama…he will not be in a good mood tonight when he goes on prime TV to promote “His Ego”!
The “French Twist”, which is making headlines all over the world will certainly be a big blow on Obama’s over-inflated ego…
Hot off the Press…
Sarkozy Story Spurs Florida Re-Release Of McCain Ad
Tuesday, October 28, 2008
Capitalizing on a report in the Israeli press today suggesting that French President Nicholas Sarkozy thinks Barack Obama’s stance on Iran is “utterly immature,” John McCain is re-releasing an ad that highlights comments the Democrat made in May — calling the country “tiny” (compared to the former Soviet Union) — to argue that he is “dangerously unprepared” for the presidency.
For the cash-strapped McCain camp, the re-release of this ad is a cost-effective means of political recycling; jumping on the news peg of Sarkozy’s comments (per an anonymous Israeli government source), the campaign can convey a strong message without producing a new ad.
The ad, “Tiny,” originally released in “key states” during the Democratic convention, is now running only in “key Florida markets.” This is one of the smaller ad buys that the campaign has officially disclosed — further evidence that McCain is now targeting an ever-smaller list of battleground states he thinks he can win. While Florida was projected to fall into McCain’s column earlier in the race, the polling data shows a strong shift toward Obama as of mid- to late September, and he is now besting his GOP opponent in almost all surveys.
http://adspotlight.nationaljournal.com/2008/10/sarkozy-iran.php

The Wall Street Journal
Obama’s Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan
Barack Obama’s tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. He also proposes a raft of tax credits that taxpayers can receive if they engage in various government-specified activities.
Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits “refundable.” Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.
Such credits are not tax cuts. Indeed, they should be called The New Tax Welfare. In effect, Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand a slew of government spending programs that are disguised as tax credits. The spending on these programs is then subtracted from the total tax burden, in order to make the claim that his tax plan is a net tax cut overall.
On the tax side of the ledger, the details released by his campaign last week confirm what a President Obama has in mind for our most productive citizens. The top individual income tax rate, for example, would be increased by 13%, to 39.6%; the next-highest rate would be raised to 36%. The top rates on capital gains and dividends would rise by a third, to 20%
The Social Security payroll tax would be raised between 16% to 32% for families making over $250,000 a year. This means that the real returns these people get from their lifetime payments into the retirement program will be driven below 0%, according to my own previous research, which was published by the Cato Institute and elsewhere.
Mr. Obama also wants a permanent federal estate tax, with a top rate of 45%; his health-insurance plan includes a new payroll tax on employers; and he also contemplates several increases in the corporate income tax, including a new so-called windfall profits tax on oil companies.
Then there is the spending side of the ledger. Mr. Obama proposes a fully refundable Making Work Pay Tax Credit, which would have the government pay out $500 to each worker and $1,000 to couples — reminiscent of George McGovern’s 1972 election proposal for the government to send a $1,000 check to everyone.
His American Opportunity Tax Credit would provide a $4,000, fully refundable tax credit for college tuition expenses. His Mortgage Interest Tax Credit would provide a 10% credit — refundable — to offset mortgage interest payments for lower- and middle-income families. His Health Care Tax Credits, which the campaign says “will ensure that health insurance is available and affordable for all families,” include “a new refundable 50 percent health tax credit on employee premiums paid by employers.”
Currently existing tax credits would also become spending programs in the Obama tax program. The Savers Credit would be made fully refundable, and would be expanded, according to the campaign, “to match 50% of the first $1,000 of savings for families that earn under $75,000.” The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit would be made refundable and expanded to allow “low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit on the first $6,000 of child care expenses.”
The Earned Income Tax Credit is already refundable. Mr. Obama would expand it to “increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to noncustodial parents who fulfill their child support obligations, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty, which hurts low-income families.” In short, welfare spending is to be increased by paying more money out to low-income income tax filers.
The latest Congressional Budget Office data shows the bottom 40% of income earners already pays no income taxes. Indeed, they receive a net payment from the federal income tax system — meaning from the taxpayers — equal to 3.8% of all federal income taxes, because of the refundable tax credits under current law. The middle 20% of income earners, the true middle class, pays 4.4% of federal income taxes.
Overall, the bottom 60% of income earners pay less than 1% of federal income taxes on net. When “tax credits” primarily go to this group in the form of checks from the government (rather than a reduction in their tax burden) it is simply an abuse of the language to call the spending a tax cut.
Consequently, to say, as the campaign does say, that the candidate’s tax plan is a tax cut on net — and that it would limit taxes to 18.2% of GDP — is grossly misleading. The Obama tax plan would sharply increase real taxes. It also would come nowhere near to paying for the massive increases in federal spending he has proposed, including the spending that is disguised in the form of refundable tax credits.
The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121910303529751345.html?mod=most_emailed_day

Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
America wake up! The American Marxists/Socialists/Communists have posted this proclamation right on Barack Obama’s official website (see link below)
Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
“This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx’s writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat. Though the Democratic Socialists of America or the Communist Patty of America may have more Socialististic values, it is pointless to vote for these candidates due to the fact that there is virutally no chance they will be elected on a National level. The members of this group are not Leninists, Stalinists, etc. and do not support or condone the actions of North Korea, China, Cuba or any other self-procalimed “Marxist States.” They do not in anyway represent the Marxist philosophy nor do they represent Socialism/ Communsim. We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!”
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/MarxistsSocialistsCommunistsforObama

So the truth comes out, biden said it as plain as day in a public speech. So much for changing a campaign promise with the wind. In that 6 months Biden spoke of a week ago, about the nation being tested,, i can imagine it will be Obama coming out on tv and saying “My fellow Americans, we need to raise taxes to get our economy going”.

There is nothing like an election to take our eyes off of what is going on in our Country, we are too busy watching the candidates duke it out. I am a Democrat and Damn happy I have been for Obama since the beginning. I knew the right would come out with all their Muslim BS, I just had no idea it would be so soon; I got emails on that well over a year ago. I believe Senator Obama will make a wonderful President and with a Democratic house and Senate maybe we can finally show the Republicans we are not that bad. Who knows, what I know is I need to go to the Doctor right now. I have insurance, and I have co-pays and by the time I come out with my prescriptions and appointment paid, I have spent over $70 and I don’t have $70 for the doctor right now. I am one of the lucky ones, really. People are sleeping and starving in our streets while other people in the same country, hell; the same city have more money than anyone could spend in 10 lifetimes. Things just have to even out sometime, so all of you conservatives hold on to your pocketbooks as tight as you can now.
I love Karma, it is a wonderful thing to watch. I have seen it in my life personally many times, it is true what goes around comes around. I think this recession that those of us making less than $150,000. per year (way less) have been living in for the past two years, and the upper crust have now joined us. Wow, are they nervous; I lived in a nervous state for the past eight years and I know that chances are it will be a long time before I see much difference financially. I do believe however that we will see changes that will restore hope to a Country that is sad and disconnected. People don’t even look at each other any more, we have way too many distractions. Anyway, no matter who you are voting for; vote. We are all in this together and I am praying for peace.