Stephanopoulos: Connection With Voter Trumps Personal Attacks in Town Hall Style Debates

The choice is quite easy:
McCain: Tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations (and yet he says he is for ‘main street’)
Obama: Tax cuts for working Americans, modest increases for the wealthy (less than they were under Clintons tax plan)
McCain: Shift health coverage to deregulated private sector with fixed tax credit to all income levels, more Americans would lose coverage (and again, favors the wealthy)
Obama: Provide an additional insurance carrier that would allow more people to get insurance, and with tax cuts to employers providing coverage saving them an annual $140 billion, which would also increase revenue for health providers by increasing insured patients.
McCain: Wants congress to investigate Enron loophole (even though congress has already tried twice to pass bills that would close it, and both were vetoed by Bush)
Obama: Wants to close enron loophole right away, causing an immediate drop in gas prices for all Americans
McCain: Wants to drill for more oil, and build nuclear plants (even though we would not see any output from them for 7-10 years)
Obama: Faster shift towards alternative energy sources and better utilization of existing resources.
McCain: a D- student with a navy background that was dismal in both character and quality
Obama: a Harvard Law school graduate, magna cum laude, and a constitutional law expert
McCain: Military shoot first ask questions later foreign policy
Obama: Diplomacy and dialog with military as option of last resort
McCain: No foriegn policy experience except for armed services
Obama: Member foreign relations, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and subcommitties on European, East Asian and Pacific, African affairs as well as International development and security.
McCain: Vast majority of introduced bills in Senate are directly related to the military.
Obama: Introduced bills for equal rights, environment, housing, health care, alternative and renewable fuels, safer drugs, constitutional rights, improved fuel economy and other issues relating to a better America and helping Americans.
Looking at the issues and what they would mean to our country, you would have to be as dumb as Bush to not vote for Obama.

ARORN IS A FRAUD AND SO IS THE GUY THAT ACORN REPRESENTS……. OBAMA. BUDDY OF USA TERRORIST, AYERS!! “I WAS ONLY EIGHT WHEN AYERS COMMITED THOSE ACTS.” MY BUTT!!!! AYERS KICKED OF OBAMA’S FUNDRAISER WHEN OBAMA INITIALLY RAN FOR SENATE SEAT IN IL. OBAMA IS FULL OF IT!!

McCain has a Navy background that was “dismal in quality and character”? You do know what a POW is right? He’s a decorated war hero. Moving on, McCain has “no foreign policy experience”? He served in the Navy for 23 years, served in the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Committee on Commerce Science, and Transportaion, and has been in the Senate for 22 years. On what planet does that not count as experience. Yes, Obama went to Harvard, and George W Bush went to Yale. Is that really an arguement you want to use? Take of the blinders and get informed.

QUote: “Seventy percent of all those making over $250,000 are small business owners.”
False. Please check the IRS statistics. Less than 5% of the population earns over $250,000, and less than 15% of ‘sole pri’ fillings are greater than $250K. In addition, corporate tax rates will not change under either candidate.

Unfortunately, for McCain his campaign trip to the gutter cost him our family of Republican’s votes. We will be voting for Barr.

– McCain has “no foreign policy experience”? He served in the Navy for 23 years, served in the Senate Armed Services Committee, the Senate Committee on Commerce Science, and Transportaion, and has been in the Senate for 22 years. On what planet does that not count as experience. –
On what planet does 23 years in the navy and being on the Commerce, Science and Transportation committee constitute foreign policy experience?
And yes, his military record is dismal, have you read his book? Have you ever considered why, with a father and grandfather being admirals he only obtained the rank of Captain in those years?

Temagami – turn off the caps lock. Anyone with an internet connection can fact-check claims about Ayers. For example, go to Fact Checker at the Washington Post. The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Many people have been involved in education reform in Chicago over the past two decades – they know Ayers, have worked with him, and many respect his work on improving education for Chicago’s children. This includes Mayor Daley, foundation presidents, university researchers, community organizers and school reform advocates, both Republicans and Democrats. Does this mean all these people are tied to the Weathermen of 40 years ago?

Natasha,
Two excellent posts.
2 TRILLION DOLLARS in retirement savings have been lost in the last year.
Our financial sector is in ruins.
The stock market is nose diving.
The housing market has tanked.
Unemployment is growing.
We have record international borrowing which has devalued the dollar and put inflationary pressures on the already weak economy.
We have a two front war that is costing tens of billions each month.
But McCain and Palin want to “turn the page” on the financial crisis. They want to move on. Their own campaign stated “if this election remains focused on the economy, we lose”.
Why? Because they have no plan. They offer no solutions. Just a stay-the-course policy and a bunch of generic platitudes. They are both out of touch.
McCain and Palin now feel that name calling and futher division is what our nation really needs.
Even with the economy aside, if this election is about character – Point goes to Obama!

– Seventy percent of those making over $250,000 are small business owners. –
According to IRS data, it’s only about 15%. Even so, it will only effect them if they file with a personal return, since Corporate tax rates will remain unchanged.
The argument about putting small business owners out of business is bunk.. I’m one of them, and I have done my homework. You are simply repeating already proven sound bites coming out of the GOP.

Natasha.
Your McCain terrorist connection is pretty far out. I see that you do not dispute Obama’s connection with Ayers AND NEITHER DOES OBAMA!! DOCUMENTED THAT AYERS HOSTED OBAMA’S INITIAL CAMPAIGN KICKOFF FOR IL SENATE. YOUR FIGURES ALSO DO NOT RELATE TO THE FACT THAT SEVENTY PERCENT OF THOSE MAKING OVER $250,000 ARE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS. THE POINT IS, THAT WHEN OBAMA SOCKS IT TO THEM – THEY WILL NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLETE IN THE GLOBAL MARKET.

If you are a member of the Catholic Church and you worshipped at a church, did public service for and raised funds for that church who had a pedophile Priest then or at anytime, what does that make you? To use your logic you are a person palling around with pedophiles. Ridiculous, isn’t it?
This association thing with Ayers is absurd.

Obama, I thank you for pointing out a Palin family connection to an independent group in Alaska. It proves that Todd and Sarah Palin want of separation from the business as usual crowd and the corruption in Washington, D.C. Obama supporters forget their American history of why the American colonies wanted to separate from the mother country England. The Palin family is as American as our ancestors are. The Palin family does not consort with terrorists like has been shown about Obama.
Sarah Palin will bring more change into Washington, D.C. than Obama.
Obama is showing association with Anti-Americans wanting to destroy American values. The Palin family is American in all their values and we do NOT see any Palin friends standing on the American flag. Ayers wiped his feet on the American flag. Obama has proven Anti-American ties that want to destroy America.
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

Because global financial markets are woven in a complex web, turmoil in one sector is felt elsewhere. Some wounded financial companies are desperately selling healthy stocks to raise capital to stay afloat, and this heavy selling pressure is forcing down the price of these stocks. The same is being done by leveraged hedge funds that have been hurt by their investments in financial stocks – they need to raise money for shareholders who want out of their fund, so they are selling good stocks to get cash.
The New York Times had an interesting op-ed article on this subject on Sept. 14 titled “Too Few Regulations? No, Just Ineffective Ones” by Tyler Cowen, an economics professor at George Mason University.
One of Cowen’s best observations was “financial regulation has produced a lot of laws and a lot of spending but poor priorities and little success in using the most important laws to head off a disaster. The pattern is reminiscent of how legislators often seem more interested in building new highways – which are highly visible projects – than in maintaining old ones.”
He also pointed out that 70,000 new pages of federal regulations in a single year is not an uncommon feat, and that the inflation-adjusted spending by the federal agencies regulating banking and finance has gone up more than 40 percent since 1990.
New rules are what Washington knows how to do best – it’s how legislators measure their worth. And while there are times when new regulations make sense, this isn’t one of those times.
Hearing the solutions offered by Obama and Biden today reduces my confidence in the Democrats. The Democrats do not have the knowledge or the imagination to take on the biggest economic crisis in America since the 1930s.
Under Herbert Hoover, taxes were raised, trade protectionism increased, and the money supply contracted. Sound familiar? Obama’s tax hikes and trade protectionism are Hooveresque and a reminder of the great depression of 1929.
No to Obama’s policies that doom America

– The point is that most European countries are dropping corporate tax rates to compete. If we do not do that – ALL THIS ECONOMIC GOBBLEDEGOOK AS ON THESE SITES IS MEANINGLESS!! –
Don’t matter, due to federal tax laws and the loopholes contained, most large corporations do not pay any taxes anyway. Zip.. Nada.. Zilch..
Here is an example:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/10/09/MN3707.DTL
Highlights:
“Cisco Systems, the second-most valuable company in America, paid no federal income taxes for its latest fiscal year thanks to a little-known corporate tax break on employee stock options.”
And:
“Microsoft, which ranks No. 4 in market value, did not pay any federal taxes either, it seems. “

BTW – talking about McCaon “vs” muslim extremist terrorists, there’s a lot more.
Such as:
Americans of Albanian heritage collected a million dollars in one evening for the presidential campaign of Republican Senator John McCain, said the Albanian American Civic League yesterday, the lobby group headed by former Congressman Joe DioGuardi. A reception for McCain was held January 22 at the Saint Regis Hotel in Manhatten, and the senator, who is now leading in the runoff for the Republican party candidacy in the November elections, cut his campaign in Florida by one day to attend this gathering.
“Even in 1998 when we had problems with Milosevic, McCain did everything that we asked of him to the benefit of the Albanian people, including arming the KLA”, announced DioGuardi. “We are American Albanians and we need a leader who will strengthen this country… We must support John McCain because he did everything we asked of him for Kosovo, from supporting the Kosovo Liberation Army to supporting the independence of Kosovo. Two years ago he spoke in Brussels and said that independence is the only solution”, concluded this former congressman who has been fighting for the independence of Kosovo and Metohija for more than twenty years.
And just who are the KLA that McCain is so fond of-
“The KLA – The Kosovo Liberation Army – is an Islamic terrorist group responsible for beheadings, torture, rape, burning down churches filled with Christians, and other atrocities. To this day, the KLA insurgency continues the systematic persecution and genocidal cleansing of Serbian civilians residing in Albania. The former leaders, enjoying life as high paid politicians in the Albania Government, are unapologetic for the crimes committed.”

The choice is quite easy:
McCain: Tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations and none for those making less than $100,000 a year. (and yet he says he is for ‘main street’)
Obama: Tax cuts for the majority of working Americans, modest increases for those earning $200,000 or more a year (less than they were under Clintons tax plan)
McCain: Shift health coverage to deregulated private sector with fixed tax credit to all income levels, more Americans would lose coverage (and again, favors the wealthy)
Obama: Provide an additional insurance carrier that would allow more people to get insurance, and with tax cuts to employers providing coverage saving them an annual $140 billion, which would also increase revenue for health providers by increasing insured patients.
McCain: Wants congress to investigate Enron loophole (even though congress has already tried twice to pass bills that would close it, and both were vetoed by Bush)
Obama: Wants to close enron loophole right away, causing an immediate drop in gas prices for all Americans
McCain: Wants to drill for more oil, and build nuclear plants (even though we would not see any output from them for 7-10 years)
Obama: Faster shift towards alternative energy sources and better utilization of existing resources.
McCain: a D- student with a navy background that was dismal in both character and quality (read his book!)
Obama: a Harvard Law school graduate, magna cum laude, and a constitutional law expert
McCain: Military shoot first ask questions later foreign policy stance
Obama: Diplomacy and dialog with military as option of last resort
McCain: No foriegn policy experience except for armed services
Obama: Member foreign relations, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and subcommitties on European, East Asian and Pacific, African affairs as well as International development and security, specalized in International Relations in college.
McCain: Vast majority of introduced bills in Senate are directly related to the military.
Obama: Introduced bills for equal rights, environment, housing, health care, alternative and renewable fuels, safer drugs, constitutional rights, improved fuel economy and other issues relating to a better America and helping Americans.
Looking at the issues and what they would mean to our country, you would have to be as dumb as Bush to not vote for Obama.

A list of US Presidents that served their country in the military:
George Washington
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Ulysses S. Grant
Andrew Jackson
William H. Harrison
Zachary Taylor
Rutherford B. Hayes
James A. Garfield
Franklin Pierce
Andrew Johnson
Chester A. Arthur
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James K. Polk
Theodore Roosevelt
James Monroe
Lyndon B. Johnson
Richard M. Nixon
William McKinley
Harry S Truman
Gerald Ford
Millard Fillmore
John Tyler
Abraham Lincoln
John F. Kennedy
Jimmy Carter
Ronald Reagan
George H. W. Bush
George W. Bush
James Buchanan
John McCain served his country and retired as a naval captain, the equivalent of an army bird colonel . Joe Biden did not service in the military due to having had asthma as a teenager. Obama has no excuse for not serving his country. I guess Obama does not believe in serving his country. Of course, one cannot tell where Obama’s loyalties lay. Obama is content just serving himself.
No to Obama’s wind and ever changing policies to doom America.

Higher taxes raises gasoline price by 56%
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There’s no “Truth” in that statemment at all.

– John McCain served his country and retired as a naval captain, –
Yup, and that is a pretty poor reason to select a president, particularly when their policies would do nothing but continue to drive this country into the ground.

TRUTH
A note about the executive branch of our government:
The President of the United States was INTENTIONALLY set up as a CIVILIAN position.
Putting on a uniform does not equate to anything. Especially a guy who basically got spoon fed his whole career because his daddy was an admiral.
McCain has not shown himself to be a leader. He is eratic and compulsive. These are not qualities of a President.

– Reducing gasoline taxes would make it easier for Americans to drive their cars. –
Since Bush has been in office, he has vetoed 11 bills passed by congress. Only one of those was when the Republicans controlled Congress.
Two of them he vetoed addressed the enron loophole, which would have immediately reduced gasoline prices at the pump, and natural gas prices to roughly pre-2000 levels.
Obama wants to close it asap.
McCain claims that Congress is investigating it.
Newsflash: They have, and the numnuts in office killed it.

Corporate America and American taxpayers know better than government on how to spend their money. Government wastes taxpayer’s money. Obama is no different than Bush on taxes.
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

John McCains stand on Taxes – Feb. 2, 2000
JIM LEHRER: There was a suggestion today from some of Governor Bush’s supporters that maybe you’re not really a true blue Republican, that some of the things you support like campaign finance reform and your opposition to tax cuts are more like Gore and Bradley and Clinton and Democrats than Republican.
SEN. JOHN McCAIN: Well, I’m much more like Ronald Reagan, actually, than the present hierarchy of our party. I’m for tax cuts, but I’m for working Americans. Governor Bush wants to give 38 percent of his tax cuts to the wealthiest 1 percent. I want to give it to working families.
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/election/jan-june00/mccain_2-2.html

Vote for John McCain!!!!!!!!
John McCain is the one who can come up with solutions to our economic problems. Barack Obama and Joe Biden are mathematically challenged. Send them back to school and this time have them study something that is useful.
Joe Biden with his history and political science double major in college and Barack Obama’s major in political science give them absoloutely no economic, scientific, quantitative or analytical background to handle the pressing economic and military problems facing our country. These two mathematically challenged Democrats are supposed to be able to crunch numbers and understand how to cope with our economic and budget crisis. Two people who probably can’t add four numbers together are suppose help solve our economic crisis. Do you know that they offer basic accounting continuing education classes to lawyers because most lawyers do not understand simple accounting. We have had enough mathematically challenged lawyers screw up our country. You at least know that John McCain has the computational and analytic skills to compute fuel loads, cargo weights, wind speeds, and trip distances to keep from running out of gas on missions.
How would you like it, if Joe Biden or Barack Obama would take the controls and fly your Boeing 777 on your next commercial flight here in the US. Most independent and undecided voters would not rest easy knowing that Biden or Obama can rely on what they learned in their civil procedure class to help you land safely and not run out of jet fuel during the trip. Pilots have proven analytical skills. There is a saying that there are old and bold pilots but no old bold pilots.
John McCain has that good judgment and he has the proven analytical skills to be able to tackle our budget problems. Barack Obama and Joe Biden can spend the next four years and take some accounting and economics continuing legal education classes. After four years of academic coursework, then they might be able to throw their hat in the ring.
Given their academic training, a trillion dollars may look the same as a million dollars on a budget spreadsheet.
Vote for John McCain!! He is the one who can come up with solutions to our economic problems.
Vote John McCain!!!! Vote John McCain!!!!

To Senator: McCain: Since your ads have been a referendum of primarily, attacks on the Democrats, who are not what you decribe them as, with sharp criticism. My overall impression is that you would stoop to new lows, just to win, reguardless of the most pressing issues, that need bi-partisan cooperation. Is that what we should expect of you as president?

To Both Candidates: I want to know how you both think your helping the economy when you both voted yes to thebailout plan,which givesseveral million dollars to makers of Rum in Puerto Rico, billions to companies that make wooden arrows,ect…
We don’t need this kind ofreform,we need to stop credit card companies from charging a person with 30% interest if they don’t get the bill paid on time. We need to stop cutting veterans benefits. We need to lend the people of America the money to rebuild they’re credit so that they can get loans.Lert’s not make Washinfgton rich,let’s make America rich!!!
We need to stop paying countries that we have gone to war with,to rebuild those countries.America needs rebuilt,not overseas countries….

Obama is confused about fossil fuels. First Obama says yes to clean coal then he says not to use fossil fuels.
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

How much of the “Presidential Benefits” that either Candidate could receive when elected are they willing to waive in order to be elected? They will have annual salary, full medical benefits as well as a retirement income, not to mention a staff dedicated to guarding their lives and security. How many American Citizens can say they have the same guaranteed benefits? Benefits that are paid by the working class people this great country?

Obama’s healthcare crisis plan is a loser because he cannot control the American Medical Association and the pharmaceutical companies. Obama’s Government healthcare plans will supply huge sums of money to the doctors and pharmaceuticals companies that do not have medicines to cure anything.
Medicine is the fourth leading cause of sickness and death in the United States. Insurances companies charge high premiums because they know the faults in today’s medical treatments and medicine.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/09/23/history-proves-many-doctors-recommendations-are-disasters.aspx?source=nl
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/04/when-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease.aspx?source=nl

– Obama’s Government healthcare plans will supply huge sums of money to the doctors and pharmaceuticals companies that do not have medicines to cure anything. –
No, it will be just another health insurance policy.. just like any other. By your standard, then I guess all health insurance providers out there are losers.
Good try, bad logic. You are a troll.

Obama’s plan wants to invade Pakistan and create another Vietnam. Obama does not realize that Osama bin Laden is not the issue in the Middle East.
Capturing or killing Osama bin Laden will not stop terrorism. Moreover, the true problem is not terrorism. The true problem is OIL.
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

((( You know, during the Depression of the 1930′s Jim and Mary Regularfolk out in Kansas didn’t have their money tied up in the stock market. Mary worked at a diner and Jim worked in a factory – so why did it affect them? When the wealthy folk suddenly weren’t as wealthy anymore, )))
Nope. The depression was triggered in part by Hoover and his tax cuts for the wealthy. Same thing McCain wants to do. I didn’t seen any depression under Clinton, and Obama doesn’t want anywhere near what Clinton did. In fact, under Clinton, we had the first balanced budget in many, many years and a federal surplus.. which Bush promptly squandered by doing the same thing McCain wants to continue doing, only even more so.

Obama’s plan wants to invade Pakistan and create another Vietnam.
I want whatever drug you are on!

Obama sure is spreading financial aid to other nations pretty freely tonight. He’s giving money out to all of Russia’s neighbors and over in the middle east. Just whose money is this he’s throwing around? Maybe he should think about keeping some of that money here for when the number of welfare recipients quadruples after his economic policy drives us into a depression. While he’s taking care of all these other nations financially – whether these nations even like us or not – who is taking care of us?

Capturing or killing Osama bin Laden will not stop terrorism.
You are indeed a funny one..
Cut off the head, the rest will die. Simple, tested, proven, period.
Military action to defeat terrorism rarely works. Absorbtion into the political process and local police and intelligence actions do (ie: cut off the head). A quick look at history does a mind good.

Invade Pakistan? we’re already there if I’m not mistaken. And if anything has the stink of vietnam is the prolonged stay in Iraq. I have served and the sacrifices being made my overseas forces is not wasted on me. However, it is starting to feel as if it is being wasted on the service men and women shouldering the burden of sacrifice now.
There is no definitive end in sight as far as I can tell. Vietnam dragged out longer than it needed to then one day you woke up and the last chopper left, with not definitive victory.
When do you think we’ll wake up and the last chopper has left Iraq?
Do you think it will feel as victorious as the end of WWII?

Oh lord, McCain reminds me of my grandfather.. out of touch, and on the edge of out of his mind. We just spent over $700 billion that we didn’t have, on top of the $10 billion a month on Iraq that we don’t have, and the $500 billion for regular government spending that we don’t have, and now he wants to buy up all the bad loans to keep people in their own homes.. with money we don’t have. I didn’t think it was possible, but I think he is actually stupider than Bush.

McCain actually has a record that we can go by. With Obama, we just have to take his word that he will do what he say. He is untried and untested and too risky.
Obama only served 143 days in the senate before deciding his ego was ready to be president.

Obama talks that McCain cannot multi-task. Yet, Obama wants to handle America’s problems one at a time. Moreover, Obama supporter call McCain too old when Obama cannot multi-task
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

S continued: “McCain actually has a record that we can go by.”
Exactly dear! He was one of the primary forces getting us to get into Iraq, instead of going after Bin Laden which was the original objective. He has 20 some odd years in congress, and I’ve seen him change his stance on dozens of issues depending on what was popular at the time. Just look at his recent flop on torture, which being a POW, I would have thought he would never do.
Indeed dear, he is starting to go off the deep end. He said in 2000 that he would not run in 2008 because he would be ready to retire. He should have stuck with that plan.

The choice is quite easy:
McCain: Tax cuts for the wealthy and big corporations and none for those making less than $100,000 a year. (and yet he says he is for ‘main street’)
Obama: Tax cuts for the majority of working Americans, modest increases for those earning $200,000 or more a year (less than they were under Clintons tax plan)
McCain: Shift health coverage to deregulated private sector with fixed tax credit to all income levels, more Americans would lose coverage (and again, favors the wealthy)
Obama: Provide an additional insurance carrier that would allow more people to get insurance, and with tax cuts to employers providing coverage saving them an annual $140 billion, which would also increase revenue for health providers by increasing insured patients.
McCain: Wants congress to investigate Enron loophole (even though congress has already tried twice to pass bills that would close it, and both were vetoed by Bush)
Obama: Wants to close enron loophole right away, causing an immediate drop in gas prices for all Americans
McCain: Wants to drill for more oil, and build nuclear plants (even though we would not see any output from them for 7-10 years)
Obama: Faster shift towards alternative energy sources and better utilization of existing resources.
McCain: a D- student with a navy background that was dismal in both character and quality (read his book!)
Obama: a Harvard Law school graduate, magna cum laude, and a constitutional law expert
McCain: Military shoot first ask questions later foreign policy stance
Obama: Diplomacy and dialog with military as option of last resort
McCain: No foriegn policy experience except for armed services
Obama: Member foreign relations, Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, and subcommitties on European, East Asian and Pacific, African affairs as well as International development and security, specalized in International Relations in college.
McCain: Vast majority of introduced bills in Senate are directly related to the military.
Obama: Introduced bills for equal rights, environment, housing, health care, alternative and renewable fuels, safer drugs, constitutional rights, improved fuel economy and other issues relating to a better America and helping Americans.
Looking at the issues and what they would mean to our country, you would have to be as dumb as Bush to not vote for Obama.

America’s top economists have all reported that Obama’s economic plan, universal healthcare, cutting taxes and so forth is impossible. In fact, they found that middle class taxes will be higher, not lower, because of the hidden tax hikes he has in his plan, that he doesn’t talk about.
I know 2 small business owners who will hurt under Obama’s tax plan.

To everyone who is trivializing Viet Nam with Pakistan… go to hell. Cindyrsdu is so correct. I served in that damned waste of human life, and lost a cousin as well. And you know who got us involved in that BIG BIG mistake? A Republican– Dwight Eisenhower. Iraq is the same stupid horrible mistake… there was nothing noble about invading a country to hide the fact that domestic policies are destroying our home country. Our good Republican President Bush jacked us all into Iraq knowing full well that it would become a prolonged and deadly police action… and that’s exactly what our troops are. A police force with targets on their backs– JUST LIKE VIET NAM. And to Truth and everyone else singing McCain’s praises that he will keep our troops there until they are all dead… well hooray for you. Keep that blood on your hands when you cast that vote on November 4th.
A Republican President involved us in full military action in Viet Nam, and Iraq.
Yeah, you know I’m going to say “keep to it, McCain… how many holy wars will you and Palin start today”.

No matter how you vote the status quo always remains the same. Tell the people what they want to hear..Don’t count on either McCain or Obama to relieve our economic situation, the only solution is time and individual accountability for yourselves. Prepare your own household, that is if you still have one. If your counting on Obama or McCain to be your savior, you will be sadly disappointed..I am voting on National Security issues…

The facts are very clear that Obama has a healthcare plan that cost trillions of dollars with no real effect.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/10/04/when-the-cure-is-worse-than-the-disease.aspx?source=nl
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2008/09/23/history-proves-many-doctors-recommendations-are-disasters.aspx?source=nl
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

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It must be remembered that Democrat Lyndon B. Johnson, 36th President of the United States expanded the Vietnam War.
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

– They do not like our culture. During talks, they mock the U.S. and do not accept pre- conditions. Most of their talks are about wiping Israel off the face of the map. These are not sane, reasonable people we are dealing with –
And yet, all 5 former secretary of states on the recent CNN interview unanimously agree that we should engage Iran without conditions. Apparently, everybody is wrong except you.. well at least in your world.

Then there’s torture — the issue most related to McCain’s own experience as a POW. In 2005, in a highly public fight, McCain battled the president to stop the torture of enemy combatants, winning a victory to require military personnel to abide by the Army Field Manual when interrogating prisoners. But barely a year later, as he prepared to launch his presidential campaign, McCain cut a deal with the White House that allows the Bush administration to imprison detainees indefinitely and to flout the Geneva Conventions’ prohibitions against torture.
What his former allies in the anti-torture fight found most troubling was that McCain would not admit to his betrayal. Shortly after cutting the deal, McCain spoke to a group of retired military brass who had been working to ban torture. According to Wilkerson, Colin Powell’s former deputy, McCain feigned outrage at Bush and Cheney, as though he too had had the rug pulled out from under him. “We all knew the opposite was the truth,” recalls Wilkerson. “That’s when I began to lose a little bit of my respect for the man and his bona fides as a straight shooter.”

I always like those people speaking about the Geneva Conventions’ prohibitions against torture when they never spent a day in the military. I always like the people who do not know how to stop the terrorists and talking about something, they have little knowledge. I always like those people that know nothing about stopping Americans from tortured by their captors. I always like those people who do not care about captors murdering Americans, cutting off their heads.
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

Senator Obama won this second debate hands down. Senator McCain came off as mean and desperate. I decided tonight that President Obama will bring dignity back to the White House.

My husband is an officer in the military. As distasteful as torture is, according to him, certain torture methods have been successful in getting information that has been vital to our national security. We have not killed any POW’s, however, many of our citizens have not been so fortunate once they have gotten in the hands of the terrorists. They are tortured for days before being beheaded. If we stop torturing our POW’s will that really stop the terrorists from torturing and killing U.S. citizens? I think not!

I hope all of the aging, neurotic, bitter, man-hating, Hillary supporters will do what’s best for the country and vote for Obama.

Grand Ole Party–I agree with you, the last thing we need is the government to run our health care system. You see what a great job they did with our economy? The less control they have over our day to day lives, the better. There will be so much beaurocratic red tape that less people will get health care just because they don’t want to deal with incompetence like FEMA and IRS.

>> -I agree with you, the last thing we
>> need is the government to run our
>> health care system.
Well then it is a good thing that nobody wants to do that, isn’t it!!!

I see and thanks for the clarification. So am I to take it that the idea of national health care along the lines of Sicko is no longer there? So, the idea of the socialized medicine is dead, which, I think, is a good thing.
I think we’re getting reamed where the sun don’t shine by these health insurance companies just like with these other types like AIG, Lehman Brothers, etc. I’d love to see them taken out of the equation. But, I don’t trust D.C. to handle it.
Don’t mind paying my fair share, but I think using the free enterprise aspect of spreading risk (as Obama brought up concerning Congressional insurance) is the way to go. Pharmaceutical pricing and restrictions as to who you can buy them from is another free enterprise issue.

>> So am I to take it that the idea of
>> national health care along the lines of
>> Sicko is no longer there? So, the idea
>> of the socialized medicine is dead,
>> which, I think, is a good thing.
No, it is not socialized or universal health care. It would basically be a government run health insurance company that would compete against private health insurance companies. It would lower health insurance policy costs by pooling policies, similar to how larger companies negotiate lower rates due to the number of insured (which is why an individual policy is always much more expensive than one you can get from your employer).
In addition, employers who provide health insurance benefits to their employees would receive tax breaks for doing so, which would result in an estimated savings of $140 billion a year. It would also increase revenue to health care providers by increasing the size of insured Americans.
In contrast, McCain wants to reduce regulation to promote competition, and tax employers for providing health insurance to their employees, resulting in a shift to private coverage. The cost savings from deregulation would take some time before they are realized, and by shifting to private insurance providers, more americans would wind up losing insurance due to inability to cover costs and pre-existing conditions. McCains health plan, like his tax plan, favors the wealthy.
In addition to the link I gave above, here is another analysis, by the Wall Street Journal comparing the two plans.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122152292213639569.html

“Obama’s taxes will tax those industries and businesses that can put America back to work. Industry and business need their earnings for research, advertising, expansion, tools, and machinery. Obama’s tax plan will strangle American business and industry. ”
Nope.. Obama has no plans on changing the existing corporate tax structure.. you are indeed a troll.. or just uninformed.

Obama’s healthcare plan will cause private healthcare plans to rise in cost. People will not have a choice to select a private healthcare program because of the private healthcare higher costs. This will be the start of socialized medicine and it will feed large sums of taxpayer’s money into the pockets of the pharmaceutical companies and the medical professions.
No to Obama’s policies that doom America.

By republican reasoning, McCain cannot be President because he “pals” around with Obama (in the Senate). Hell, McCain shook Obama’s hand at the debate. Oh the horror his constituency must feel. The reason McCain probably ran out of the debate hall so fast (instead of connecting with the voters), was most likely so he could go wash his hands.
Obama/Biden 08!

At this point I hope Obama wins. McCains $300 billion dollar comment pu the icing on the cake. I’ll never vote for the inexperienced, marxist empty suit but maybe if neocons get beat they’ll get out of the mainstream of the republican party. Socialists are there to stay in the democratic party so it will be a sharp contrasts if conservatives actually can get back into the mainstream.
Yeah lets take all the people who got mortgages they couldn’t afford and let them drop the debt and refinance the homes on the lowered value. Meanwhile the honest, hardworking people who bought homes they can afford get screwed.

At what point do you simpletons stop playing this guilt by association game? Let me pose a question and then an accusation.
I’m assuming that the majority of you remember an event that happened on 9/11? And a certain individual by the name of Osama bin Laden. If any of you need help he is the one that took credit for the events that occurred on that day. Now, do any of you remember the days that followed? Were any of you in another state or perhaps another country waiting to get on a plane to return home? What happened? THERE WAS A BAN OF ALL FLIGHTS or at least that’s what we were led to believe.
Attached below is just a little something I pulled from the web that any of you can also do should you want too.
“”September 11, 2001: Evacuation of Saudi Nationals
From SourceWatch
Yet to attract the proper attention it deserves from the media is the March 29, 2005, AFP article “FBI flew Saudis out after 9/11″:
“… newly released US government records show that Federal Bureau of Investigation agents gave personal airport escorts to two prominent Saudi families who fled the US, while several other Saudis were allowed to leave the country without first being interviewed.”
The information was obtained through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit lodged against the Department of Justice by Judicial Watch, a conservative legal group, who gave the information to the New York Times. Although “major passages” of the information were deleted, “the records show that prominent Saudi citizens left the United States on several flights that had not been previously disclosed.”
This clearly answers the question posed May 18, 2004, by Alexander Bolton: “Who let bin Ladens leave U.S.?” In his article, Bolton provided a comprehensive overview of the situation as it was known at the time.
Earlier in the day, September 13, 2001, the FAA “issued a notice that private aviation was banned and that three private planes that had violated the ban had been forced to land by military aircraft,” according to an article published in Vanity Fair.
On the afternoon of September 13, 2001, “three Saudi men in their early 20s flew in a Lear jet from Tampa, Fla., to Lexington, Ky., where they boarded a Boeing 747 with Arabic writing on it waiting to take them out of the country.”
The flight from Tampa to Lexington, first reported October 2001 in the Tampa Tribune, “was one of several flights that Saudi Arabian citizens took in the immediate aftermath of September 11, 2001 when the rest of the country was prohibited from flying.”"
“Many of the Saudis were members of the Saudi royal family or the bin Laden family.”
The New York Times “reported that bin Laden family members were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret meeting in Texas and then to Washington, from where they left the country when airports were allowed to open Sept. 14, 2001.”
Bolton concluded that “close to 140 Saudis left the U.S. days after the attacks, even though 15 of the 19 terrorists who carried out the Sept. 11 attacks were Saudi Arabian.”"
So….the question I have for you then is:
Why haven’t more questions been asked about these flights that were cleared to fly and about the individuals that were on those flights? Why hasn’t our illustrious Dictator, George W. Bush been made accountable to answer these questions? I can’t imagine any of us would believe him if he were to use his pat answer for everything…”It’s a matter of National Security”
So….let’s now play the Guilt by Association game: (here’s where the accusation comes in)
Since many of the individuals on those flights were Saudi’s and a number of them were family members of Osama bin Laden hence the last name of bin Laden and having been verified as such then it is only safe to assume that they were guilty by association which would have made our Dictator “W” guilty by association. I hope that you’ve all followed along so far.
Our Dictator ultimately gave the authority to the FBI to allow these flights to take place.
“”FBI Directors are appointed by the President of the United States. They must be confirmed by the United States Senate and serve ten-year terms. J. Edgar Hoover, appointed by Calvin Coolidge in 1924, was by far the longest-serving FBI Director, serving until his death in 1972. In 1968, Congress passed legislation as part of the Omnibus Crime Control and Safe Streets Act Pub.L. 90-351, June 19, 1968, 82 Stat. 197 that specified a 10-year term limit for future FBI Directors, as well as requiring Senate confirmation of appointees. As the incumbent, this legislation did not apply to Hoover, only to his successors. The current FBI Director is Robert Mueller, who was appointed in 2001 by George W. Bush.”"
So….every single individual (mostly Republicans) that voted for our Dictator in the last election would then be guilty by association of terrorism!
There, how does that sound to everyone buying into the Obama / Ayers connection? I welcome an answer, feel free to use the internet to plead your argument and I’ll respond. Don’t just argue it “just because” they said it was true. In doing your research perhaps you’ll find out how flimsy that connection is. Look, as Republicans you’re really good at skewing information so that it makes you look good, the Democrats can do it also but I have to side with the Republicans on this one…you’re just better at it; case in point, we just need to listen to the incompetent mouthpiece that was picked as McCain’s running mate….