McCain to Obama: I Have ‘Guts’ to Bring Up Ayers

Rope A Dope.

McCain might bust a blood vessle this debate.

McCain hasn’t learned negatice canpiagning no longer works. Especially w/ an economic crisis.
Obama lead has widen nationally and state by state due to McCain’s negativity.

Raging Bull.

All he has to mention is G. Gordon Liddy, or maybe Iran Contra, or Keating 5 or…. Troopergate…… I can keep going.

And given how erratic, emotional and in general kneejerk McCain’s actions and demeanor have been in this campaign, my guess is he will take the bait.
Its really funny to watch – a senior senator falling for a playground-level taunt. “Oh, he doesn’t have the nerve to say that to my face.”
Lol, and that’s all it takes to make McCain do what you want him to? Sheesh, this guy is in so far over his head.

Sounds like this is going to be a great debate Mccain please bring it up be a man Mccain tell it to Baracks face then we can put this puppy to bed!

paul, you must believe the polls like a religion… his negatives are up.. well start measuring the drapes to obama’s home in chicago. thats where we will send Obama back to..
Mr ayers and mr wright are legitimate issues..
then comes ACORN
a man said to FEDs ACORn signed him up to vote Obama 73 times…
everything about Obama is suspect and corrupt.

Does McCain really want to chance opening Pandora’s box during the debate?

This will be a great opportunity for Obama to mention that Ayers received Chicago’s Citizen of the Year Award in 1997.

On Tuesday, the Anchorage Daily News also printed a blistering editorial on Palin, calling her response to the State Legislature’s Troopergate report “Orwellian.”
Sarah Palin’s reaction to the Legislature’s Troopergate report is an embarrassment to Alaskans and the nation.
She claims the report “vindicates” her. She said that the investigation found “no unlawful or unethical activity on my part.”
Her response is either astoundingly ignorant or downright Orwellian.
Page 8, Finding Number One of the report says: “I find that Governor Sarah Palin abused her power by violating Alaska Statute 39.52.110(a) of the Alaska Executive Branch Ethics Act.”
In plain English, she did something “unlawful.” She broke the state ethics law.
Perhaps Gov. Palin has been too busy to actually read the Troopergate report. Perhaps she is relying on briefings from McCain campaign spinmeisters.
That’s the charitable interpretation.

Barack Obama promised to be honest with us. He has not. The fact is that Ayers, Wright, Rezko, and ACORN are the people with whom Barack Obama worked to change Chicago into what it is today. Now he wants us to give him a chance to change America into what he wants to change it into. Sen. Obama can defend these people, he can even apologize for having ever advancing their agenda, but to deny having ever served their cause is dishonest, and to hide behind the financial crisis by calling everything else “smears” or “distractions” is cowardly and devoid of the dignity of the office which he seeks.

MY FELLOW PRISONERS:
I know that it looks quite stupid to telegraph all of my punches that will be thrown ahead of the fight with “THAT ONE”, but I’m going to be knocked out anyway, so I might as well go down flailing aimlessly.
After all, I’ve got him right where I want him, right? Errrrr, right?
John McChicken McCain
THIS IS GOING TO BE A LANDSLIDE!!
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!!!

make it known: “All he has to mention is G. Gordon Liddy, or maybe Iran Contra, or Keating 5 or…. Troopergate…… I can keep going.”
There’s a couple ways Obama can respond. He may well counter-punch with associations of McCain’s, but I’m not sure I’d go that way. I’d just blow off McCain with a line about how he and Ayers aren’t close, and add that journalists have come to the same conclusion. Now, let’s get back to the economy.
If McCain keeps pushing the “you lied” line, Obama should ask him exactly what he said about Ayers that wasn’t true, and then maybe counter-punch with references to McCain’s lies.
The gist of McCain’s argument is Ayers wasn’t just a guy in the neighborhood because Obama held a campaign event in his livingroom. Well, that’s what local politicians do. They hold campaign events in willing neighbors’ livingrooms – whether they know those neighbors well or not.
And with that, McCain looks as small as he is, and the debate turns back to the economy.

I love the smell of conservative fear in the morning, it smells like…victory.

Are we sure Obama’s old enough to be POTUS?

I also hope he brings up some of the things Obama said in his books, maybe Obama can answer them during the debate
From Dreams of My Father:’I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’
From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’
From Dreams of My Father:’There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’
From Dreams of My Father:’I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’
And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope:’I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction

BizBag: “And Paul – it doesn’t bother you that it was a ‘playground level taunt’?”
Nope, this is politics. Here’s the thing that non-Obama supporters never understood. We don’t worship Obama as someone who is above politics. He’s a candidate – by definition a politician. We understand that.
We do, however, see some promise that he’ll be respectful and maybe in that small way help us to get past (e.g. grow up beyond) the stupid partisan food fights we’ve seen for the past couple decades. That’s what we mean by a new kind of politics, and that’s pretty much all we mean by it.

He won’t answer the questions. He blantantly lied during the debate with Hillary when he said that he barely knew Rezko. And he did it with a sincere, straight face. He has perfected the art of lying. His whole life is a lie.

Gee Chuck, you pick out quotes without context the way evangelical christians pick out quotes without context from their bibles… with, essentially the same result – a lot of hot air and no substance. “Cain killed Able.” “Go ye, therefore, and do likewise.” See, if you’re going to quote, place it in context!

… and then of course there is Palin’s spousal AIG connection.

Well, well we have the put up or shut up saga. And I predict McCain will shut up, but i hope he doesn’t. Since his negativity launch we have went up about 3 or 4 points in the polls. If he dares to go there at the Debate that should seal the deal. Please McInsane, do it just do it and get it over with!

Mack, When 1 of 5 is actually a candidate you have nothing to stand on. McCain was one of the Keating 5. Follow the logic.

Steve from NH: “Now that McCain has said it in public, he has to go after him, yes?”
Um, no. This is John McCain we’re talking about.
He went public before the second debate, too, and told a rally of supporters he was going after Obama’s associations in that one. He didn’t.
That’s the thing with McCain. No one knows what he’s going to do, and the fact that he said he’ll do one thing really doesn’t amount to much. We’ll just have to watch and see.

at best, obama would be a weak jimmy carter, mccain would be an angrier gerald ford, palin would be a prettier dan quayle and biden would be an older al gore…….on the other hand, Senator Clinton would’ve been a more self-controlled President Clinton (he who oversaw 22 million jobs created, international cooperation and credibility, 6.6 million kids and 600,000 adults given health insurance, and the first budget surpluses in forever)

Obama knows McCain does not look good on TV when he gets angry.

Well the board that Obama and Ayers worked together on, the family that ran that board…supports McCain.
So um, I would love to see Obama come out and say well gee there McCain funny how the family that had Ayers on the same panel we worked on supports YOU McCain….so should we look at a link there?

sweet!! i hope he brings it up because it will give obama the chance to deliver to mccain a well deserved knock-out blow and the american people will forgive him for it.
typically the undecided women don’t like hardball in a presidential campaign.. they are turned off by it. but just like a kid being picked on in the playground, we are rooting for that kid to blow up and beat the crap out of their bully. it’s the stuff movies are made of. and since mccain and palin have been leading this witch hunt against obama, we’ll rationalize it when he strikes back. we’ll say that john mccain deserved it and obama is a great man for standing up to the old, creepy man.

wonderful!,,,then Obama can bring up the Keating 5 and how the Palin’s were members of Joe Vagel’s anti American Alaskan Separtist Group…Not to mention how McCain really doesn’t support our Military Troops

“Barack Obama promised to be honest with us. He has not. The fact is that Ayers, Wright, Rezko, and ACORN are the people with whom Barack Obama worked to change Chicago into what it is today.”
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“Now he wants us to give him a chance to change America into what he wants to change it into.”
Darn right!
“Sen. Obama can defend these people, he can even apologize for having ever advancing their agenda, but to deny having ever served their cause is dishonest, and to hide behind the financial crisis by calling everything else “smears” or “distractions” is cowardly and devoid of the dignity of the office which he seeks.”
Thanks for coming to the boards, Limbaugh!

If McCain does try to bring up Ayres tomorrow night, this election is over. Does anyone here think for one second that Obama would provoke McCain if he wasn’t ready, willing, and able to counterpunch twice as hard?

Obama is gonna get McCain so mad that he blows his top, thats the plan. We all now he has anger management issues, and he hasnt been honest with America about it. He says Obama hasnt been honest but its McCain that tries to show a kindly grampa image that isnt the true McCain. McCain is vindictive and hateful and keeps that hidden. Obama is gonna honk him off so much that he loses it and shows his true self, and then hes done.

Thanks Crystal, I get so tired of people posting those quotes when they have absolutely no idea what they mean. Taken out of context you can find fault in anything.

ACORN, who obama paid over $800,000 to, is completely unethical. picking up homeless, drug addicts, felons to go and take them to vote and telling them to vote Obama, thats completely unethical. I cnat beleive i have to search for this information, why isnt it all over the mainstream media?
Mccian was cleared of any wrong doing over the keating 5, then mccain did the most admirable thing by going up in front of cameras for 90 minutes so they could ask him any qeustion and he answered honestly. that takes a lot of guts, not like Obama who ducks away from answering hard questions.
remember the media and Dems used to LOVE mccain until he started running for this election, he was always an honest and moderate politician.

OH McCain PLEASE bring Ayers up! Then YOU can answer questions about your good friend G Gordon Liddy. Then YOU can answer questions about Mr Enron Loophole Phil Gramm! Then You can answer questions about the Keating 5!Then YOU can answer questions about you own connection to ACORN. Oh please McCain be a man tell Obama to his face you think he’s a terrorist! My bet is you’ve got no Ba@@s to do it.

Ayers was brought up in the Hillary Clinton debate. Obama is the nominee, so logic would follow that it didn’t work then either.

Unfortunately, I fear we are seeing the unraveling of an honorable, decent man in John McCain. His campaign has failed him in every way, starting with whoever convinced him to pick Sarah Palin as his running mate (he really couldn’t find anyone, ANYONE, better suited for the ticket?). His handlers have made on mis-step after another, from underestimating the porr state of the economy to this idiotic drumbeat of negative character assassination. My hope is that, when this is all over, John McCain can go back to being a senator, reach across party lines and make things happen for the country under an Obama presidency. But, I fear, he has ventured too far into confusion to be effective any longer. Probably best for him to retire.

Obama takes John McCain to the SMACKDOWN HOTEL…I would love to see that.

Go for it little troll man. Let’s hear about your mafia ties and the Keating Five and let’s talk about you dumping your first wife for Cindy. Great Presidential material..you apparently belong to the club in Washington who have no morals.

If John McCain brings up his distortions about Obama and Ayers … Obama can move from sizing the drapes to hiring the moving company. I think the American people deserve to see the real John McCain … warts and all.

remember the media and Dems used to LOVE mccain until he started running for this election, he was always an honest and moderate politician.
Posted by: Louise
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Um, not really, Louise. Even some in his OWN party disown him:
“….At least three of McCain’s GOP colleagues have gone on record to say that they consider him temperamentally unsuited to be commander in chief. Smith, the former senator from New Hampshire, has said that McCain’s “temper would place this country at risk in international affairs, and the world perhaps in danger. In my mind, it should disqualify him.” Sen. Domenici of New Mexico has said he doesn’t “want this guy anywhere near a trigger.” And Sen. Thad Cochran of Mississippi weighed in that “the thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine. He is erratic. He is hotheaded.”

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Oct 14, 2008 12:55:17 PM
John McCain:
The U.S. Council for World Freedom
Keating 5
G.Gordon Liddy
Just a few gems from McCains past.

Mack…what is it you don’t understand? He served on a committee with him, the man(Ayers) had a fund raiser in this home for his campaign…does Obama play gulf on weekends with him, NO. Does he have him to dinner a few nights a week NO…
OK…does McCain have lobbyists in his payroll, YES… does he promote voilence in his rallies, YES….Did he use bad judgement in the Keating Five, YES….
Your turn…………

don’t get it: how can Ayers be called a “terrorist” when he has never been convicted on terrorist charges? Second: who is dumb enough (except the repugs and their brainless cohorts (Obama is an Arab, no?) to believe that the State of Illinois allows a terrorist to become a (highly respected) professor? Geez, stop this b/s and talk about the real issues!

“why else would Ayers help him if they didnt share the same values”
ok.. by that logic.. why would the ku klux klan support mccain if it didn’t share his same values?
oh thats right!! cause they do!! john mccain just said in 2006 that he hates GOOKS

Vote John McCain!!!!!!!! Vote John McCain!!!!!!
How can we trust Barack Obama on health care if he is a smoker?
Would not someone who really wants to hold down healthcare costs want to quit smoking.
Is Barack Obama a chain smoker or not? If he is only a closet smoker and not transparent by smoking in public and admitting that he has a nicotine addiction then how can we trust him on other issues that are truly grave?
Does he smoke a lot of cigarettes only when he plays poker with his Chicago friends or is it a daily habit?
We want to know if Barack Obama is going to promise to not chain smoke around Joe Biden because Joe Biden had asthma as a teenager.
The reason that Joe Biden could not fight for his country in 1968 during the peak of the Vietnam War was that he had teenage asthma.

Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?
We wont.

“don’t get it: how can Ayers be called a “terrorist” when he has never been convicted on terrorist charges?”
He got off on a technicality. After the trial he commented “Guilty as hell and free as a bird, America is a great country!”

Jay…good point… and how about all the other collegeaus Ayers has at the Unversity where he teaches. I bet they meet a least once a month for staff meetings. Are they terroist too…?

You know, I will be so glad when this election is over. I am still amazed that so many people could vote for George Bush – twice, and then turn around this year and decide that Obama is the right person for the job! The man has no experience, sit in a radically un-american racist church for 20yrs, has ties to a known terrorist, not to mention Rezko, and ACORN. I honestly thought that someday my country would wake up and quit being taken by fast talking, slicksters (for lack of a better word)! Well, there is always tomorrow.

Mack, I don’t feel at all testy. Just winning on the facts like Obama is winning on the issues. McCain was one of the Keating 5.
Obama is ahead.
You can check the polls if you don’t believe me. You can also Google the Karl Rove 2008 Electoral Map. He has Obama at 313 and I think it’s safe to say Rove isn’t part of the liberal media.

Marka said:
I encourage McCain to try it anyway. The results will leave him looking like a desperate, dottering fool.
It is very sad to see McCain looking this way. He once was an honorable man, but now, due in part to Palin, has become a skeleton image of himself.
As has been said before:
“You cannot be a maverick if you are always a sidekick.”

Chuck, if you are going to cut bits and pieces out of larger paragraphs and quote Obama out of context, please don’t parade around pretending to have a debate about Obama.
i challenge you to read the entire books, to really prove your intellect. Which right wing website did you pick that up from?

THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS TRYING TO HAVE THIS VIDEO PULLED IMMEDIATELY.
This is an uninterrupted 51-second video of Obama speaking; he’s telling us exactly what he will do to the military…watch it before this too is removed off the web site.
The USA needs a Wake-up call.
http://macsmind.com/wordpress/2008/06/08/obama-wants-to-protect-america/
This is absolutely shocking……….
I just watched this. its pretty scary but not surprising since he is the number 1 liberal senator and liberals hate anything to do with military.

McCain, you old sucker. Here’s how it will play out in an nod to A Few Good Men:
Did you order the Code Ayers? DID YOU order the code Ayers? You’re G-Damn right I did! —> enter men in white coats taking the one-time hero away in shame.

Typical McSame, shoot first ask later, and that my friend will be your demise, now go crash some more planes!

Just love the new buzz word from several media outlets:
“Obamacorn”
Haha, now poor poor useless corrupt criminal Obama is tied forever to this corrupt organization ACORN, that has helped in bringing down our economy, and has been implicated in numerous cases of voter fraud. They have found cases of imaginary people, dead people, multiple applications, and homeless people, registering to vote. And homeless people bussed to polling places to vote for Obama!
That is really the only way the Obama trash will win this election, by sneaky cheating. It is truly a sad day in America that a corrupt piece of trash like Obama is somehow managing to gain power.
The patriots of America will fight and get out the truth, and the world will rejoice and be a better place when President McCain steps up the plate.

Robert,
What will it take for you McCain supporters to see that he is not good for this country? McCain lied about taking the high road to the White House. He is hot headed and cannot control his own campaign. How will he be able to run the country?

I commend you, Crystal Street!

Ms. Pepitone: I’m afraid you simply do not get it. EVERYBODY has associations with unsavory characters. It’s called living. But tell us, please, when has Obama committed a terrorist act, supported terrorists, condoned terrorism or committed treason? We await your non-answer with baited breath.

since we’re talking about terrorists, how about the Alaska Independence Party? Look it up–she’s on tape congratulating them (they want to secede from the U.S., and the founder says he “hates” America. Oops! Go on, McShame, bring up terrorists!

And given how erratic, emotional and in general kneejerk McCain’s actions and demeanor have been in this campaign, my guess is he will take the bait.
Its really funny to watch – a senior senator falling for a playground-level taunt. “Oh, he doesn’t have the nerve to say that to my face.”
Lol, and that’s all it takes to make McCain do what you want him to? Sheesh, this guy is in so far over his head.
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Could not have said it better!!!

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | Oct 14, 2008 12:55:17 PM And I guess you think anyone that currently works with Ayers at the college that he teaches is guilty as well. Maybe Ayers kids, mother and father, sister and brother, and elementary teachers are guilty as well. Obama is not responsible for the sins of others. John McCain and some of his supporters should have their head examined. John McCain called some of his supporters “NUT cases”.

liberati, don’t celebrate yet. McCain has his own ties to ACORN.

Maryanne,
Look this one up on John McCain
The U.S. Council for World Freedom

“Obama committed a terrorist act, supported terrorists, condoned terrorism or committed treason?”
He may not be a terrorist, although he seems to have the overwhelming support of terrorists such as Hamas, Ayers, and Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades. Why is that?

you think this election is over if mccain brings up Ayers???? for the first time ever there are more undecideds then ever in an election year. people dont know Obama and they dont really trust him. If Mccain hits home at Obama’s ties to radical far-left groups and people including ACORN, Wright, Ayers and also mentions the foolish people running the House and Congress then people might start thinking that Obama just cant enter the whtie house – then its a mccain win……
I keep saying that if Hillary was running she would have this election in the bag, no question about it

Wait a minute. How do we get from:
“..we’ve been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days that he wasn’t willing to say it to my face” Obama
to
“Barack Obama’s recent suggestion that McCain does not have guts to raise the Bill Ayers issue…”
?????
It doesn’t look to me like Barack Obama said anything about John McCain not having the guts to do anything or even mentioned Ayers.

Please, please, please Senator McCain bring up Ayers. Obama will debunk, and bat this Ayers nonsense down and you will look foolish. It will then create an opening for Obama to open the McCain’s large walk in closet and watch all of McCain’s skeletons fall out. The least of which McCain’s involvement in ACORN. McCain loves this group, he is on video saying he thinks there should be more programs like ACORN. McCain is a fraud and his rallies incite hate. Obama’s rallies are happy, uplifting and look to the future. It’s that simple.

The Ayer-heads did not get the memo from mccain central….
it is old, it is stupid, and the majority of this country DOES NOT CARE. THEY ARE NOT LISTENING, MARIANNE TO YOU OR YOUR MOUTH SEWAGE.
this is actually very funny….there are lists and lists of issues related to the election and the presidency and some of these people were able to latch on to ONE…only one…and it is the one NO ONE CARES ABOUT.
So have fun, x-file space theory people. Talk among yourselves…maybe someone will listen to you then.

Initially, Mr. Odinga was not the favored opposition candidate to stand in the 2007 election against President Mwai Kibaki, who was seeking his second term. However, he received a tremendous boost when Sen. Barack Obama arrived in Kenya in August 2006 to campaign on his behalf. Mr. Obama denies that supporting Mr. Odinga was the intention of his trip, but his actions and local media reports tell otherwise.
Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama were nearly inseparable throughout Mr. Obama’s six-day stay. The two traveled together throughout Kenya and Mr. Obama spoke on behalf of Mr. Odinga at numerous rallies. In contrast, Mr. Obama had only criticism for Kibaki. He lashed out against the Kenyan government shortly after meeting with the president on Aug. 25. “The [Kenyan] people have to suffer over corruption perpetrated by government officials,” Mr. Obama announced.
“Kenyans are now yearning for change,” he declared. The intent of Mr. Obama’s remarks and actions was transparent to Kenyans – he was firmly behind Mr. Odinga.
Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama had met several times before the 2006 trip. Reports indicate Mr. Odinga visited Mr. Obama during trips to the U.S. in 2004, 2005 and 2006. Mr. Obama sent his foreign policy adviser Mark Lippert to Kenya in early 2006 to coordinate his summer visit. Mr. Obama’s August trip coincided with strategizing by Orange Democratic Movement leaders to defeat Mr. Kibaki in the upcoming elections. Mr. Odinga represented the ODM ticket in the presidential race.
Mr. Odinga and Mr. Obama’s father were both from the Luo community, the second-largest tribe in Kenya, but their ties run much deeper. Mr. Odinga told a stunned BBC Radio interviewer the reason why he and Mr. Obama were staying in near daily telephone contact was because they were cousins. In a Jan. 8, 2008, interview, Mr. Odinga said Mr. Obama had called him twice the day before while campaigning in the New Hampshire primary before adding, “Barack Obama’s father is my maternal uncle.”
President Kibaki requested a meeting of all opposition leaders in early January in an effort to quell the violence. All agreed to attend except Mr. Odinga. A month later, Mr. Kibaki offered Mr. Odinga the role of prime minister, the de facto No. 2 in the Kenyan government, in return for an end to the attacks. Mr. Odinga was sworn in on April 17, 2008.
Mr. Obama’s judgment is seriously called into question when he backs an official with troubling ties to Muslim extremists and whose supporters practice ethnic cleansing and genocide. It was Islamic extremists in Kenya who bombed the U.S. Embassy in 1998, killing more than 200 and injuring thousands. None of this has dissuaded Mr. Obama from maintaining disturbing loyalties.

“liberati: you mis-speak. There is no ‘voter fraud’ until there is a vote taken. There are checks and balances in place to avoid such a scenario. Those voter registrations that do not comply with ‘
They are overwhelming the system with their fraud registrations forms.

You have Obamacorn…..we have McAcorn. They sort of cancel each other out. Let’s move on to what Americans are really concerned about…..
no they dont.
mccain didnt train ACORN members their heavy-handed tactics in getting banks to give loans to people who couldnt really afford them or to get everybody including mickey mouse to register and vote democrat, mccain also didnt represent ACORN in courtcases. Obama was known as the senator for ACORN whilst a state senator becuase he always sides with the far-left.
Dont try and pretend acorn has any values, they are a far-left radical group who are funded by democrats and are as corrupt as they come.

Obama corrupt. That’s hilarious. Have we forgotten who was just found guilty of violating the trust of her office and is now being investigated for getting her house built for free in exchange for awarding contracts to to build that complex in Wasilla.
LOL

For All Cynics:
Ayers: If he’s such a scary, bad terrorist, why isn’t he in prison for life?
ACORN: Hee, hee. McCain has worked with ACORN as well in registering voters for the Repug party.
What leg to you have to stand on any of this incessant whining? Let me help you with the facts:
OBAMA IS LEADING BY WIDE MARGINS across the board
McCain has been fumbling and bumbling around with his parrot Palin while talking alot, but saying nothing.
OBAMA WILL BE THE NEXT POTUS.
Any questions?
It’s a LOCK!

If McCain brings up Ayers or any other charater attack on Obama during the debate, it is going to look like a case where you are having an argument with someone, then suddenly the other person responds with “well…your shirt is ugly” when they know they have lost the argument.
While I did not agree with McCain’s views, I did respect him. That respect is getting less and less as this campaign has gone on.

Meet other McCain radical right-wing pals.
This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about
McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing
organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra
scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this
organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League the parent organization which ADL said has increasingly become a gathering
place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.

But McCain, “Do you have the guts to stick only to the truth?”

Jesse Jackson is back – a must read!
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_o_jesse_knows_133450.htm

just bring it up McShame. I am sure that Obama has something that will make look you foolish.

TJ, THE CLINTONITE
Check the facts. We have to got back to Carter to find a Presidential election where the person behind this close the the race has won.

Mack: what system are you talking about? Each state has a separate system for voter registration, and the vast majority of them are not ‘overwhelmed’. As the news reports, there is only one with real problems: Nevada — and I seriously doubt Nevada is going to swing the election one way or the other.

I love how the conspiracy theorists can link everything to Obama in one sentence.
Ayers Terrorists ACORN Voter Fraud Banking Failures Surge Detractor
Don’t you folks get how illogical it all looks on the monitor. It looks like the cries of a desperate party.
Obama is winning because he is talking about the economy and so are his supporters.

So sad he’s staking his presidency on this..there is nothing there. What the hell is he talking about anymore. Is this all he has left..ayers? What a joke.

McCain’s new campaign slogan: “A day late, and a dollar short.”

“Check the facts. We have to got back to Carter to find a Presidential election where the person behind this close the the race has won.”
Yeah, that was practically prehistoric times.

Mariann Pepitone:
Why did Obama deny knowing him in the first place? In the first place, he didn’t deny knowing him.
If some reporter came up to you and started asking you questions about someone you know, are you going to open up and tell all?
If a reporter came up to me and started asking me questions about someone I know, I’d say the reporter can do his own work. I wouldn’t feel right bashing an acquaintance so I’d say something along these lines: “He’s a guy who lives in my neighborhood.”
Ayers donated $100 to Obama’s Illinois Senate campaign. Why don’t you find out how much money Tony Rezko raised for GEORGE BUSH’S CAMPAIGN COFFERS [yeah, THAT Tony Rezko]. I assure you it was WAY more than Ayer’s paltry $100.00. Hell, even I’ve donated $100 to Senator Obama.

It’s really incredible that after running a dishonest and dishonorable campaign for months, John McCain still thinks he is a truthful person and doesn’t need to take lessons on truthfulness from a Chicago politician. I think it’s really time for John McCain to learn something new about himself.

Be sure to record the debate as John McCain meets his Waterloo. Within one hour of the debate, scientific polls will say that McCain cleared up once and for all, he is not ready to lead this country.
Notice I said scientific polls as opposed to Fox News call in polls. Fox news would say McCain won even if wees on stage.

Only 2 minutes. Rather scary.
I don’t listen to Howard Stearn, and I don’t really even like him. But you have to hear this about the election….
http://www.bpmdeejays.com/upload/hs_sal_in_Harlem_100108.mp3

McCain and the rabid pit bull went there, it’s up to them to face up to their lies. I hope Obama pulls out all the stops on this one.

Mariann: If Martin Luther King was intelligent and Barack Obama isn’t, then I think we ought to give serious consideration to having John McCain and Sarah Palin institutionalized.

and this is why you are no political strategist.
most people have already decided who they would like to vote for and for those that haven’t, they are typically middle-of-the-road independents – a lot of them women, who don’t buy into the smear campaigns. the “far left” aren’t bad words anymore. they carry no weight. smear campaigns work against mccain and this is why he is still sliding in the polls. the evidence shows it is not working.
your ayers, wright, rezko crap is just preaching to the choir. nobody else cares. im sorry to disappoint you but it’s hardly the scandal you hoped it’d be. ask any of my young mother friends about it and they simply don’t care about it if it’s not putting money into their bank account. it’s simply not going to work. (but i still can’t wait for obama to deliver the smackdown!)
“you think this election is over if mccain brings up Ayers???? for the first time ever there are more undecideds then ever in an election year. people dont know Obama and they dont really trust him. If Mccain hits home at Obama’s ties to radical far-left groups and people including ACORN, Wright, Ayers and also mentions the foolish people running the House and Congress then people might start thinking that Obama just cant enter the whtie house – then its a mccain win……”

Remember, the whole point for these bloggers is to create a SMOKESCREEN to hide the real issues.
If you ignore the Ayersacornwright theories, and discuss real issues, they go away.
This has been going on for over TWO WEEKS—same moronic arguments on the same boards by the same bloggers.
In part, they are actually to THANK for the wonderful increase in support for Obama and for his increasing numbers in the polls.

Chuck: Why don’t you go read Obama’s books rather than sit here and act like you are quoting them. I can quote all kinds of things and they will be taken out of context. No, instead you got some talking points from Hannity or Limbaugh and you are trying to act like the expert here. In reality you are nothing but a cut and paste moron who can’t even come up with his own dirt…laughing at you. How typical. Hey, it’s the economy, stupid.

Beautiful! Sucker McCain into playing the 60′s radical card, invoke the culture wars, remind voters of exactly why they DON’T want more of the same. Hopefully the debates will be McCain’s last crash-landing.

Obama is winning: The public should know about the background of the candidate that is running for the presidency. Where have you been. Obama has the worst character background of any candidate that ran for office in this country. Its people like you and the rest of this generation that are the ruination of this country. Obama, a former heavy drug and boozer user, ties to a bomber, ties to a racist church and ties to criminal Rezko who he now ignores. Since Obama is an attorney why wasn’t he an attorney for Rezko since Rezko gave him a bundle of money to buy that house. Obama uses and abuses the people that do favors for him. Ayers and Obama are involved with Acorn, as stated on the TV. He is not just the neighborhood guy. Hamas will be dancing in the streets if Obama is elected. Why not? They both are minorities. Most of the Europeans that like Obama are minorities that’s why they are overjoyed with Obama running. And

sallie, I agree. Those distracting bloggers often inspire me to donate more time and money to team Obama.

I hope that when it does come up, McCain has enough wherewithall to point out that one shouldn’t just look at Ayers alone, it’s all Obama’s liberal/radical associations and his record which indicate that he is much more liberal than he is pretending to be at this time.

Don’t you think Obama does not know abour McCain’s pals.
Meet John McCain radical right-wing pals
Gordon Liddy served four and a half years in prison in connection with his conviction for his role in the Watergate break-in and the break-in at the
office of the psychiatrist of Daniel Ellsberg, the military analyst who leaked the Pentagon Papers. Liddy has acknowledged preparing to kill someone
during the Ellsberg break-in “if necessary”; plotting to murder journalist Jack Anderson; plotting with a “gangland figure” to murder Howard Hunt to
stop him from cooperating with investigators; plotting to firebomb the Brookings Institution; and plotting to kidnap “leftist guerillas” at the 1972
Republican National Convention
Liddy has donated $5,000 to McCain’s campaigns since 1998, including $1,000 in February 2008. In addition, McCain has appeared on Liddy’s radio show
during the presidential campaign, including as recently as May. An online video labeled “John McCain On The G. Gordon Liddy Show 11/8/07″ includes a
discussion between Liddy and McCain, whom Liddy described as an “old friend.” During the segment, McCain praised Liddy’s “adherence to the principles
and philosophies that keep our nation great,” said he was “proud” of Liddy, and said that “it’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program.
Meet other McCain radical right-wing pals.
This guilt by association path is going to be trouble ultimately for the McCain campaign. You know, you can go back, I have written a book about
McCain, I had a dozen researchers go through him, I didn’t even put this in the book. But John McCain sat on the board of a very right-wing
organization, it was the U.S. Council for World Freedom, it was chaired by a guy named John Singlaub, who wound up involved in the Iran contra
scandal. It was an ultra conservative, right-wing group. The Anti-Defamation League, in 1981 when McCain was on the board, said this about this
organization. It was affiliated with the World Anti-Communist League the parent organization which ADL said has increasingly become a gathering
place, a forum, a point of contact for extremists, racists and anti-Semites.

Oh for god’s sakes.
Obama was 8 friggen years old when all that stuff happened. It’s ridiculous.
This country is supposed to be “innocent until proven guilty”, not “guilt by association”, like some Red Scare Redux,
If this is all John McCain has left in his arsenal, he’s toast. He started this campaign with so much more dignity than Hillary’s, yet now he’s following her same playbook WHICH DIDN’T WORK. He just doesn’t seem to be figuring that out.
It’s a shame *this* is how his campaign will be remembered. Using the same dirty tricks used against him in 2000. A damn shame.

Mccain needs to level with America about his ties with Iran Contra.
Directly arming, and dealing with terrorists.

The simple fact is a lot of Obama supporters don’t really care that Obama lies consistently. They want their “free lunch” or they’re voting for him because of his skin color or many other reasons.
The independents and moderates are the only people that matter and are looking for valid reasons to vote or not vote for a candidate. Obama’s limited voting record doesn’t match his words. If you don’t think without a record to rely on that character and integrity still shouldn’t matter that’s your choice but I think its pretty ignorant.
If you listen to a lot of Obama supporters they are much the same way. They’ll deflect, lie, change the subject, etc and when you finally have them cornered they’ll just say “who cares.” The hardcore Obama supporters are just as corrupt they just don’t have the brainpower of the corrupt leadership to become successful from it. There are similar people for McCain such as religious conservatives but the ignorant Obama supporters seem to be much more prevalent.
I don’t really like McCain but as a choice between the 2 I can’t “just believe” someone who is dishonest constantly, came from the Chicago political machine, and his admitted mentors and associations are far far left of most americans.

Look who else was on the board of the foundation with Bill Ayers:
“Let’s look at a few, starting with the funder. Annenberg was a lifelong Republican and former ambassador to the United Kingdom under President Richard Nixon. His widow, Leonore, has endorsed McCain.
Among the other board members who served with Obama were: Stanley Ikenberry, former president of the University of Illinois; Arnold Weber, former president of Northwestern University and assistant secretary of labor in the Nixon administration; Scott Smith, then publisher of the Chicago Tribune; venture capitalist Edward Bottum; John McCarter, president of the Field Museum; Patricia Albjerg Graham, former dean of the Harvard University Graduate School of Journalism, and a host of other mainstream folks.
“The whole idea of it being radical when it was this tie of blue-chip, white-collar, CEOs and civic leaders is just ridiculous,” said the foundation’s former development director, Marianne Philbin.
The vast majority of the foundation’s external partners were not remotely controversial. Here are a few examples: the Chicago Symphony, the University of Chicago, Loyola University, Northwestern University, the Chicago Children’s Museum, the Museum of Science and Industry, the Field Museum, the Commercial Club of Chicago, the Garfield Park Conservatory Alliance and the Logan Square Neighborhood Association.
We could go on and on with evidence that the Chicago Annenberg Challenger was a rather vanilla charitable group. For example, under the deal with Annenberg every dollar from him had to be matched by two from elsewhere. The co-funders were a host of respected, mainstream institutions, such as the National Science Foundation, the John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, the W.K. Kellogg Foundation and the Chicago Public Schools.
In short, this was a mainstream foundation funded by a mainstream, Republican business leader and led by an overwhelmingly mainstream, civic-minded group of individuals.
Read the full article athttp://www.cqpolitics.com/wmsp…..38;cpage=3

Cryos, I don’t want a free lunch and I will vote for Obama. Many conservatives are also supporting Obama, Christopher Buckley, Christopher Hitchens, and Andrew Sullivan to name a few.

obama has the “worst” character background. please.
mccain as a young sailor was off drinking and banging hookers left and right while overseas.. while he was married. he’s admitted to these things. his wife now, cindy, just a few years ago was caught stealing from her charity to feed her drug habit and was charged. sarah palin has admitted to drug use. heck.. the AP can’t find anyone that knew her in her 6 years of college at 5 different schools. what was SHE doing? mccain has more shady ties and cindy has more shady business contacts than the years obama has been alive. it is mccain who has been hobnobbing with the very rich/elite for the last 30 years while obama could barely afford an apt.
so don’t give me this crap about obama being some sort of bad man. he’s been a good father and faithful husband. he made the grades and got into good schools. he worked less paying jobs as a community organizer when he could have taken high power attorney jobs as a harvard and columbia grad. his wife is a good woman who is very highly educated as well. she didn’t have a rich daddy and become a big ol’ dopehead like cindy. obama’s children actually like him.. unlike mccain’s first batch of kids. and biden too… he’s the perfect image of a family man with a beautiful SMART wife.
heck.. obama and biden’s wives are better suited for the vice presidency than mccain or sarah palin.

He may have the guts to bring up Ayers, but apparently not the sense not to.
FACTCHECK:McCain says Obama “lied” about his association with William Ayers, a former bomb-setting, anti-war radical from the 1960s and ’70s. WE FIND MCcAINS CLAIMS TO BE GROUNDLESS. New details have recently come to light, but nothing Obama said previously has been shown to be false.

People who didn’t live through the radical 60′s have no idea who Ayers is. And I doubt they even care.

Senator your rebuttal: His running mate’s husband was a member of an Alaskan separatist group. He was a member of the Keating 5. Google it.

Personally, I would love it if the moderator would just the two of them go at it. I can guarantee you McCain wouldn’t stand a chance. Obama would “peel him like a grape and God himself would call it justice”…….

McCain is an idiot. He lets his temper get in the way of reason. So, he will bring up Ayres? Does he really think that is going to help his campaign? It will prove once again he would rather attack Obama personally than address address issues. He doesn’t see that the Democrats are laying a trap?….i.e, if he doesn’t bring it up he is a coward and he brings it up he is negative….McCain would be smart to let this lay low….But I fully expect McCain’s temper will get in the way and he once again be exposed as erratic and not the best choice to lead this country..

This man is dangerous, we voters should question his ties to ACORN, Bill Ayers and Louis Farrakhan. Obama is trying to distract us from all that, and his inexperience in foreign policy, dealing with seasoned leaders such as Vladimir Putin, and other leaders from North Korea, China, Pakistan, Cuba and Iran. It is an imortant issue, our national security, after 9/11.

bitters, it may just be that Obama is talking about issues and McCain is talking about Obama.

To read about the REAL John McCain, check out this link:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
To read about the REAL Sarah Palin, check out this link:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/23318320/mad_dog_palin

If he had been a man, he would have brought it up to his face at the last debate. Now, he says he has guts to meet the challenge. Now look who’s in charge? No McSame, but Obama. Somebody got to tell you that we call a man a liar, and say he associates and by association is a terrorists he has to tell you to say it in face. That’s being led not leading. Now you have this bail out idea and you would rather talk about Ayers. How about having a debate with Ayers to talk about his social agenda and pass. Now that would really be going to the source. MAVERICK MY A*S!!

and bring up Obama’s memebership in the Democratic Socialists of America and how he wants to “punish success” and “spread the wealth”.

“Factcheck.org is a joke now. They got everyone trained to use that as a litmus test and the site has been compromised.’
Obamacheck.org they have been proven to be biased. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were funded by moveon.org and Soros.

“he’s the perfect image of a family man with a beautiful SMART wife. ”
That’s your opinion but Michelle to me looks like James Brown with makeup and a dress.

I wonder if Obama caught this last night while he was at Debate Camp in Toledo?
http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsessionid=85CA631C6C2EAB9C7B940AF2AAA07F68?contentId=7638284&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.14.1&sflg=1

birdy: Your story about McCain is because you don’t like the fact that Obama deals with crooks and terrorists. Well, that’s too bad. He is what he is and did what he wanted to do to get ahead. He met Ayers in 1995 had close ties to him and used him to prosper in politics. Obama will use anyone he can to get ahead no matter what they have done. Isn’t he involved with Acorn along with Ayers. Of course. A company that registers voters off the street for a carton of cigarettes. And 880,000 from his campaign money given to Acorn along with a check for 90 million dollars to someone else.

Everbody just needs to relax……….and vote.

Yawn . . . Is anyone even going to watch this final debate. McCains campaign is so disorganized I wouldn’t be surprised if half of them got lost on their way to the debate.

“”it’s not that I give a damn about some washed up terrorist and his terrorist wife that on 2001 said they wished they’d bombed more. What I care about — and what the American people care about — is whether [Obama] is being truthful with the American people.”
Maybe people should actually read the article and quit defending Ayers.
“He was just a person in the neighborhood”
“I assumed he had been rehabilitated”
Those 2 quotes alone take 2 totally different positions AKA LYING which is the point. Without a solid record integrity and character have to play a large part in judging Obama (for intelligent people). It seems about 90% of people don’t understand the point of the Ayers issue which doesn’t surprise me in the least.

I also hope you have appropriate responses for the following ASSOCIATIONS in your life:
Phil Gramm…. his 2 legislatures are the core reasons for today’s financial crises… and even AFTER your Keating 5 episode you still chose to put him as your Economic Advisor… Bad decision – (he’s on CNN’s 10 most wanted Bailout culprits list). He wrote a letter to John saying… ” I am with you till death…” (no joke)
Gordon Libby – Bad, bad man/ ex-con. (Domestic terrorist by GOP definition) and McCain’s good friend.
Sarah Palin – abuser of power and engager of unethical activities…

I wonder if Obama caught this last night while he was at Debate Camp in Toledo?
http://www.myfoxtoledo.com/myfox/pages/News/Politics/Detail;jsessionid=85CA631C6C2EAB9C7B940AF2AAA07F68?contentId=7638284&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.14.1&sflg=1

Interesting to see the comments from both sides on this one. McCain supporters sound like 9/11 conspiracy theorists and seem to have trouble forming coherent thoughts. Obama supporters are gloating already and taunting them. McCain people – take a deep breath and realize that America will be just fine. Obama people – quit riling up the hate-mongers – we don’t need to see violence come of this.

That’s your opinion but Michelle to me looks like James Brown with makeup and a dress.
Posted by: Cryos
Whatever man, John McCain calls his wife a ‘c u n t’.

What does Ayers have to do with the fact that retirees lost more than two trillion in retirement funds in the last two weeks or so? What does Ayers have to do with three quarters of a million unemployed in the last nine months, American auto companies on the ropes, people losing health care, homes, pensions, jobs, retirement funds and paying the highest inflation in 27 years? Ayers divides when we need to work together. Ayers distracts when we need to be talking about how to help Middle Class Americans whose jobs have been stolen so the GOP’s rich buddies can get their golden parachutes. The Middle Class has had eight years of highway robbery, the rich stealing their jobs, pensions, and retirement funds. Let’s start talking about all that.

McCain, this is a winning issue for you and your base. The rest of us are moving forward to real issues like what happened to my 401k?

Senator Obama, how can we trust you? In 1995, you partnered with a man named William Ayers on a hundred million dollar education project. Sounds good, right? Except William Ayers is a known terrorist who bombed the Pentagon and then said he didn’t do enough. You say William Ayers was “just a guy in your neighborhood”, but the Wall Street Journal tells us that you and William Ayers worked together as a team! And they must be right, because when you decided to run for the Senate, you announced your candidacy at his house! A known terrorist! Senator Obama, we live in a world where terrorists wish to destroy us. How can we, with a clear conscience, elect a President with such close, documented ties to a terrorist? Senator Obama, how can we trust you? What happens when we elect the colleague of a terrorist to the White House? Please, America, let’s never find out.

Bill Ayers’s association with Obama and vice versa is a perfect example of why one should not trust anything Obama says. Actions speakers louder than words and that will not change. Obama has no credibility nor judgment. Ayers is trying to change political agenda starting with our kids. Far, far, right radical ideas infused into our educational system. He still believes the bombings that killed 6 people were a good idea and message.

Nobama ” that’s not the Acorn I know” I do believe he is a stuck record. because ” that’s not the Jeremiah Wright I know” ” that’s not the William Ayers I know”that’s not the Louis Farrakhan I know ” “that’s not the Michael Pfleger I know” ” that’s not the Raila Odinga I know” Blah Blah Blah . If he run off at the a*s like he does his mouth he would s*it his self to death.

McCain is grasping at straws as his campaign continues to deflate. The boards Obama served on with Ayers was sponsored by a Republican foundation, other members included notables such as the CEO and publisher of the Tribune, Presidents of Northwestern University, high level exec. from BP and other prominent Chicago residents. His attack on Obama for his limited association is also an attack on the other individuals who served with him.
Then you need to look at Ayers and what he has done with his life as well as his wife.
Now let’s look at Charles Keating, Iran Contra General, and how about G Gordon Liddy.

The bottom line is that if you think the market needs no or little regulation you should vote Republican. If you think government should play a role in protecting its citizens financial interests, then you should vote for Obama.
The deregulation argument is not a good one in 2008.

LOL! chuck above – posted old debunked lies of Obama – see here:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
Quoting from the factcheck article:
No. A widely circulated e-mail fabricates some quotes from Obama’s books and twists others.
Anyone looking for Barack Obama’s real sentiments about whites, blacks and Muslims won’t find them in this scurrilous collection of falsified, doctored and context-free “quotations.” The e-mail claims to feature words taken from Obama’s books, “The Audacity of Hope” (2006) and “Dreams from My Father” (1995, republished in 2004). But we found that two of the quotes are false, and others have been manipulated or taken out of context.
We have received many inquiries about this from readers whose suspicions were aroused, with good reason. Aside from the fact that the e-mail incorrectly cites the title of Obama’s book as “Dreams of My Father,” rather than “Dreams from My Father,” you may have noticed that none of the quotes in this e-mail contain page references. This should be a sign to any reader that the author is trying to pull a fast one, betting that you won’t take the time to read through all 806 pages of Obama’s books to get to the facts.

Cryos
The reason those quotes are contradictory is because one of them is FALSE. Obama did not say Ayers was “JUST a person in the neighborhood,” and he always admitted knowing him. Since everyone in Chacago knows him, that isn’t too surprising.

KH | Oct 14, 2008 2:03:51 PM: Funny you brought Obama’s citizenship up. First let me say, examine the plank in your own eye, before you single out the speck in other’s eyes. Johnny Mac was born in the Panama Canal, now research his natural citizenship.

Mariann Pepitone: “Its people like you and the rest of this generation that are the ruination of this country…”
Oh, God, yes, I’m the ruination of this country! Let’s see, I’m a veteran of the United States Army. I’ve been married to the same man for 35 years. I’ve raised three wonderful children. I’ve been working my a$$ off an paying taxes since 1966. Oh my God — I AM the ruination of this country!
Tell the truth, Mariann. You live in Chicago as you so often tell us and you want us to know the “truth” about Barack Obama. There’s a little voice in my head that tells me somewhere along the line ——- he turned you down.

AHC required employees to “solicit funds and cash from clients and real estate professionals to pay for AHC operations,” one of the whistleblowers said, detailing what amounted to a “shakedown” operation.
Another former AHC employee said he would testify in court to the fact that “AHC and ACORN have operated as one entity,” and quoted internal e-mails detailing how federal grants were shared between the organizations.
The whistleblowers also stated that:
AHC employees were instructed to hide documents from federal auditors with the Department of Housing and Urban Development.
AHC employees were instructed on “steering” loans to partner banks, including Chase (for loans in the New Orleans area) and Bank of America for other areas around the country.
AHC National Field Director Lee Trujillo stated in the presence of several of these witnesses that “AHC and ACORN would be funded out of the same account.”
AHC and ACORN have also shared “voter initiative money.”
Internal AHC e-mails and other documents “clearly show that AHC is paying for lease space occupied by ACORN.”
All of these are potential violations of the laws governing non-profit organizations.
ACORN is currently under investigation for fraudulent voter registration and related activities in at least 11 key battleground states.
Election officials in several states have said that 50 percent of ACORN voter registration are fruaudlent.

People who don’t care about the Ayers connection obviously support terrorism and terrorist attacks on the U.S.

I can just see those little lines dropping on CNN when I watch the debate.

What’s wrong with Ayers?

These people are talking out both sides of their mouth. One second they are saying McCain wouldn’t bring up the Ayers issue to Obama’s face. The next they are saying he wants to talk about that instead of the economy. They need to get over themselves!
Obama may be a terrorist hiding in plain sight. He’s already proven himself to be a wishy washy person at best and an outright liar for sure. Who knows what he is at the worst.

“Cryos
The reason those quotes are contradictory is because one of them is FALSE. Obama did not say Ayers was “JUST a person in the neighborhood,” and he always admitted knowing him. Since everyone in Chacago knows him, that isn’t too surprising.
Posted by: jock59801″
I don’t have the exact quote handy but I can tell from your post you know exactly what I’m talking about and YOU KNOW OBAMA MADE A STATEMENT THAT HE DIDN’T KNOW WHAT AYERS WAS INVOLVED IN AND THEN HE MADE A CONTRADICTORY STATEMENT THAT HE ASSUMED HE HAD BEEN REHABILITATED.
Just like Obama’s voting record is contradictory to his speeches he has lied and lied again and has ignorant supporters who try covering it up by changing the subject and using technicalities when people don’t have the exact quotes. Add this to the fact that the MSM almost NEVER calls him out on his lies and inconsistencies yet they find plenty of time to write fluff pieces on him ignoring the obvious contradictions.
Just come out and say “I don’t care Obama lies, is corrupt, has dubious far left ties and his voting record contradicts his platform I’m voting for him because we need ‘change’” since that is what it boils down to.

Obama is a terrorist because he hanged out with Bill Ayers? Mhhh… ok, now what happened to my mortgage? am I gonna be homeless soon? will my kids be able to go to college? can we afford health insurance? me and my family? am I gonn abe fired/let go whatever? I have a small business, am I gonna be able to access that line of credit just to make the payroll? OK, NOW, YOU WERE SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT A TERRORIST?

What nobody is pointing out is that William Ayers has been granted Presidential Pardon which is why he is a Professor at a US university.
So it seems to me that Senator John McCain is suggesting that Obama should not engage in Education reform because a rehabilitated Ayers was involved. This is the same ideology which has led the Bush administration in running from its responsiblities with North Korea and Iran. A policy which they only reverted recently.
If John McCain honestly thinks Williams Ayers is a dangerous terrorist that must not be associated with, why has he not as a United States Senator done something to prevent this terrorist from educating young Americans?
Like Jose Manuel Barroso will have it, “when you are a leader, you have to sometimes deal with people your mother will not approve”.
Williams Ayers got involved in some despicable acts 40years ago protesting the American invassion of vietnam. The idea that he must be quarantined even though he is not in jail shows how much hate John McCain is filled with.
And I must tell you, that is not the heart of a leader.

to: Cryos. it’s not that 90% of the people don’t understand the Ayers issue. It’s that they can plainly see that it really doesn’t matter. It is really easy to see in your writing and in the other Mclame’s supporter’s writing that you guys are desperate. Yawn. it’s kind a funny seeing your weak attempts to change what is inevitable. Face it losers, we’re gonna win.

Tom, shows what you know you idiot, he spoke out against Keating in the hearings, and in court you moron! He was the only Senator to do so, Grow a brain you liberal queer! And No! He was never found guilty in the hearing or in court, what don’t you understand about that moron!

I’ve got a feeling that McCain could lose it… he is known for having a short temper and by now, the Republicans are desperate! Should be an interesting debate.

McCain needs to get with Rove and come up with better, more dishonest tactics that speak to the common idiot. That is how Bush won. Bringing up Ayers again is basically giving up. If Ayers looked like a little Muslim Jawa then people would be gobbling it up like turkey on Thanksgiving.

Dave: “Be sure to record the debate as John McCain meets his Waterloo…”
Don’t think so, Dave. These events are never as decisive as we like to think they will be beforehand.
My guess is McCain will bring up Ayers, look small and foolish for a moment, and then go on. He’ll offer some nice sounding responses to questions, as will Obama.
Neither will get “knocked out” because, well, that just doesn’t happen in debates. Even when they are seen as decisive, that perception usually doesn’t form until well after the debate.
No one was predicting Gore would lose after his “sighing” debate.
But for McCain, the problem is it will be one more example of him living down to the narrative that isn’t helping his political fortunes.

McCain will just come across as shallow and mean spirited. Then Obama will respond intelligently. It’s a lose-lose for McCain. I guess that’s why he is being goaded into it.

The only words the Republicans have in this election are Ayers, Wright, and ACORN. That’s pathetic. People want to hear some concrete discussions about the two candidates. McCain is supposed to be the leader of his party. The reason why he’s not going to win is because he’s listening to the morons that is throwing out the the words that I mentioned above. He’s not leading, he’s following. Do you Republicans want a man you can boss around and tell what to say? McCain has lost his appeal to independents and moderates because he’s not leading. He looks confused and his rhetoric is irratic.

Obama raised $1M dollars for his Kenyan cousin Odinga to kill innocent Christians. Corsi is in the process of writing an article detailing this for World Net Daily.
Hear the inside story on Obama and Kenya
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77877

Cryos
He did not use the word “just,” which the right-wing noise machine dishonestly added to make it sound more flippant.
He then went on in the next sentence to say he knew Ayers.
If there was a contradiction in his comments on how much he knew “about” Ayers, that is unfortuntate, but if we didn’t vote for any politician that gave ccntradictions, we wouldn’t have a government. Do you really want this to be a contest by bringing out all of McCain’s contradictions, flip-flops and lies?

We know McCain lied too, so how could you be voting for him?

Emanuel, get of the damn computer and do you’re job of running your business. You are talking out your ass, if you are on the computer this time of day, you have plenty of money you paid Obama blogger, get a life. Obama is gonna tax the hell out of your company, if you actually run one.

McCain definately should bring this up. I can just see 8 year old Barak Obama in kindergarden in between Koran study sessions, plotting his bid for the U.S. Presedency and silently cheering on William Ayers.

Does McCain have the guts to tell Americans what his proposal of “A one-year spending pause. Freeze non-defense, non-veterans discretionary spending for a year and use those savings for deficit reduction.” really means?
No Funds For:
Breast Cancer Research
Hurricane Forecasting
Biomedical Research
National Parks
6 Million students receiving Pell Grants for College
Infrastructure investment and repairs
Early Childhood Education
Unemployment Benefits
Food Stamps
Energy Assistance
and on and on and on……

McCain is all over the political map – he reminds me of a thug that lived in my childhood neighborhood – eventually we all ignored him …………..
http://thefiresidepost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-has-become-irrelevant/

How dare you pick on The Chosen One.
The Messiah has every right to think he is God. He will unite this planet, heal it and there will be peace.
Obama is sent to lead us from a higher power. We are supposed to serve him. You should not even be allowed to speak if it isn’t serving his best interest

“What nobody is pointing out is that William Ayers has been granted Presidential Pardon ”
Once again, which President granted the pardon?

jock: “He did not use the word “just,” which the right-wing noise machine dishonestly added to make it sound more flippant.”
So in other words, Obama didn’t lie about Ayers… McCain lied about what Obama said.

Do what you have to McShame….I am still voting for the guy who has one house.

Not only that line of attack has not worked, is that McCain himself is assoicated with Ayers.
Just ask Mr. Rollins and Mr. Flannery from the Anneberg’s foundation (Chicago Anneberg Challenge (CAC) that Ayers was the head of and appointed by Anneberg, a republican who has just recently donated to McCain’s campaign and who up until last week endorsed his candidacy.
Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC),
It appears that McCain will try to bring up Ayers in the debate. I’m sure Obama is waiting for him to walk right into the quicksand. Here are some great points about the Repig strategy…
CBS) A recent web advertisement from Republican presidential candidate Senator John McCain makes two false claims about a connection between Bill Ayers and Senator Barack Obama.
1. “Ayers and Obama ran a radical education foundation, together.”
The foundation they are referring to is the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), set up in the early 1990’s with funding from the Annenberg Foundation to reform public schools. Walter Annenberg is a well-known philanthropist and conservative Republican.
“This was not the Bill Ayers and Barack Obama show,” says Ken Rolling who was the Executive Director of the CAC and ran the organization, “It was not created by two people, it was created by a hundred people.”
Was it radical? Rolling says that’s in the eyes of the beholder, but he confirms that the CAC funded programs with the following purpose: teacher training, music education, support for new school council candidates, afterschool programs, education research, improvements for literacy and arts programs and initiatives to strengthen parental involvement in public schools.
“The idea that the Annenberg Challenge was somehow the extension of the Weather Underground of the 1960’s, that is just one of the most lunatic contentions I can imagine,” says Mike Flannery, political editor at the CBS Chicago affiliate WBBM who has covered Chicago politics for 35 years.
Flannery says the other people on involved in the CAC with Obama and Ayers were “business types and Republicans.”
Obama chaired the board of the CAC but he did not serve on the board with Ayers. Ayers served on a separate advisory board.
2. “They wrote the foundation’s bylaws together.”
“They didn’t sit over a coffee table somewhere and say ‘let’s do it this way,’ they were involved with a large group of people,” Rolling says, “They did not actually write them.”
Rolling says Ayers served on a voluntary advisory board that hired a lawyer to write the bylaws that were eventually approved by the entire board of directors – one of the votes for the bylaws came from Obama.
Flannery says the negative attention that is being paid to the CAC is mystifying to Chicago reporters, “Those of us who have covered politics in Chicago the way I have for 35 years simply don’t recognize the caricatures and the ridiculous descriptions of this group.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/13/eveningnews/r...
What’s even funnier is that McCain was bragging about people who had endorsed him:
John McCain’s campaign released a list of 100 former ambassadors endorsing the GOP presidential nominee. Second on the list, though her name is misspelled, is Leonore Annenberg, currently the president and chairman of the Annenberg Foundation and widow of ambassador and philanthropist Walter Annenberg. Ms. Annenberg was herself the “chief of protocol” at the State Department under President Reagan. If the last name sounds familiar, it’s because it also graces the name of the Chicago education board where Barack Obama and William Ayers sat in the room six times together.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-elections/37749-mccain...
Is Leonore Annenberg (standing with Reagan), who is linked to the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC), which allowed William Ayers to sit on the board, a terrorist sympathizer?
!

Do what you have to McShame….I am still voting for the guy who has one house.
_________
That was bought due to a kick back from Tony Rezko.

While McCain is at it, he should also ask directly whether Obama is a muslim, whether he is related to Osama, and all that non-sense, and finally proclaim that I McCain do not have anything substantive to offer to my fellow citizens (sorry, I meant prisoners).

Of Course you hoaven’t read anything about it, because none of the Major media has spent anytime digging into Obama’s connections with the CRA, the massive fruad going on with ACORN, with Fannie and Freddie donations, the connections between Obama and Ayers or Rezko to name a few…none of the media points out that is tax only on those making 250K also includes thousands of small businesses, that his capital gains tax will hurt everyone who has a 401K…It’s all smoke and mirrors to color up somone who has less experience running anything then Sarah Palin who the left is so fond of saying has no experience to be VP…No one has touched Barry because somehow the opinions of Wise people like Farakuhn and Wright think he is the Messiah…Obama has no judgement…ask yourself how you sit in a church like Wright’s listening to GD America for 20 years and only in election year come to the conclusion that it is time to seperate…Use your heads and keep stability in our world…do not invite attack and lughter upon us by electing the Barry the Anti-Christ

Arial-
Mind baffling isn’t it. Change means Chicago Style Thug Politicians in DC.

LOL The old fool is taking the bait!

Wright 101
Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Rev. Wright’s anti-Americanism
By Stanley Kurtz
It looks like Jeremiah Wright was just the tip of the iceberg. Not only did Barack Obama savor Wright’s sermons, Obama gave legitimacy — and a whole lot of money — to education programs built around the same extremist anti-American ideology preached by Reverend Wright. And guess what? Bill Ayers is still palling around with the same bitterly anti-American Afrocentric ideologues that he and Obama were promoting a decade ago. All this is revealed by a bit of digging, combined with a careful study of documents from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the education foundation Obama and Ayers jointly led in the late 1990s.
John McCain, take note. Obama’s tie to Wright is no longer a purely personal question (if it ever was one) about one man’s choice of his pastor. The fact that Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Wright’s anti-Americanism means that this is now a matter of public policy, and therefore an entirely legitimate issue in this campaign.
African Village
In the winter of 1996, the Coalition for Improved Education in [Chicago’s] South Shore (CIESS) announced that it had received a $200,000 grant from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. That made CIESS an “external partner,” i.e. a community organization linked to a network of schools within the Chicago public system. This network, named the “South Shore African Village Collaborative” was thoroughly “Afrocentric” in orientation. CIESS’s job was to use a combination of teacher-training, curriculum advice, and community involvement to improve academic performance in the schools it worked with. CIESS would continue to receive large Annenberg grants throughout the 1990s.
The South Shore African Village Collaborative (SSAVC) was very much a part of the Afrocentric “rites of passage movement,” a fringe education crusade of the 1990s. SSAVC schools featured “African-Centered” curricula built around “rites of passage” ceremonies inspired by the puberty rites found in many African societies. In and of themselves, these ceremonies were harmless. Yet the philosophy that accompanied them was not. On the contrary, it was a carbon-copy of Jeremiah Wright’s worldview.
Rites of Passage
To learn what the rites of passage movement was all about, we can turn to a sympathetic 1992 study published in the Journal of Negro Education by Nsenga Warfield-Coppock. In that article, Warfield-Coppock bemoans the fact that public education in the United States is shaped by “capitalism, competitiveness, racism, sexism and oppression.” According to Warfield-Coppock, these American values “have confused African American people and oriented them toward American definitions of achievement and success and away from traditional African values.” American socialization has “proven to be dysfuntional and genocidal to the African American community,” Warfield-Coppock tells us. The answer is the adolescent rites of passage movement, designed “to provide African American youth with the cultural information and values they would need to counter the potentially detrimental effects of a Eurocentrically oriented society.”
The adolescent rites of passage movement that flowered in the 1990s grew out of the “cultural nationalist” or “Pan-African” thinking popular in radical black circles of the 1960s and 1970s. The attempt to create a virtually separate and intensely anti-American black social world began to take hold in the mid-1980s in small private schools, which carefully guarded the contents of their controversial curricula. Gradually, through external partners like CIESS, the movement spread to a few public schools. Supporters view these programs as “a social and cultural ‘inoculation’ process that facilitates healthy, African-centered development among African American youth and protects them against the ravages of a racist, sexist, capitalist, and oppressive society.”
We know that SSAVC was part of this movement, not only because their Annenberg proposals were filled with Afrocentric themes and references to “rites of passage,” but also because SSAVC’s faculty set up its African-centered curriculum in consultation with some of the most prominent leaders of the “rites of passage movement.” For example, a CIESS teacher conference sponsored a presentation on African-centered curricula by Jacob Carruthers, a particularly controversial Afrocentrist.
Jacob Carruthers
Like other leaders of the rites of passage movement, Carruthers teaches that the true birthplace of world civilization was ancient “Kemet” (Egypt), from which Kemetic philosophy supposedly spread to Africa as a whole. Carruthers and his colleagues believe that the values of Kemetic civilization are far superior to the isolating and oppressive, ancient Greek-based values of European and American civilization. Although academic Egyptologists and anthropologists strongly reject these historical claims, Carruthers dismisses critics as part of a white supremacist conspiracy to hide the truth of African superiority.
Carruthers’s key writings are collected in his book, Intellectual Warfare. Reading it is a wild, anti-American ride. In his book, we learn that Carruthers and his like-minded colleagues have formed an organization called the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations (ASCAC), which takes as its mission the need to “dismantle the European intellectual campaign to commit historicide against African peoples.” Carruthers includes “African-Americans” within a group he would define as simply “African.” When forced to describe a black person as “American,” Carruthers uses quotation marks, thus indicating that no black person can be American in any authentic sense. According to Carruthers, “The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy.”
Carruthers’s goal is to use African-centered education to recreate a separatist universe within America, a kind of state-within-a-state. The rites of passage movement is central to the plan. Carruthers sees enemies on every part of the political spectrum, from conservatives, to liberals, to academic leftists, all of whom reject advocates of Kemetic civilization, like himself, as dangerous and academically irresponsible extremists. Carruthers sees all these groups as deluded captives of white supremacist Eurocentric culture. Therefore the only safe place for Africans living in the United States (i.e. American blacks) is outside the mental boundaries of our ineradicably racist Eurocentric civilization. As Carruthers puts it: “…some of us have chosen to reject the culture of our oppressors and recover our disrupted ancestral culture.” The rites of passage movement is a way to teach young Africans in the United States how to reject America and recover their authentic African heritage.
America as Rape
Carruthers admits that Africans living in America have already been shaped by Western culture, yet compares this Americanization process to rape: “We may not be able to get our virginity back after the rape, but we do not have to marry the rapist….” In other words, American blacks (i.e. Africans) may have been forcibly exposed to American culture, but that doesn’t mean they need to accept it. The better option, says Carruthers, is to separate out and relearn the wisdom of Africa’s original Kemetic culture, embodied in the teachings of the ancient wise man, Ptahhotep (an historical figure traditionally identified as the author of a Fifth Dynasty wisdom book). Anything less than re-Africanization threatens the mental, and even physical, genocide of Africans living in an ineradicably white supremacist United States.
Carruthers is a defender of Leonard Jeffries, professor in the department of black studies at City College in Harlem, infamous for his black supremacist and anti-Semitic views. Jeffries sees whites as oppressive and violent “ice people,” in contrast to peaceful and mutually supportive black “sun people.” The divergence says Jeffries, is attributable to differing levels of melanin in the skin. Jeffries also blames Jews for financing the slave trade. Carruthers defends Jeffries and excoriates the prestigious black academics Carruthers views as traitorous for denouncing their African brother, Jeffries. Carruthers’s vision of the superior and peaceful Kemetic philosophy of Ptahhotep triumphing over Greco-Euro-American-white culture obviously parallels Jeffries’ opposition between ice people and sun people.
More of Carruthers’s education philosophy can be found in his newsletter, The Kemetic Voice. In 1997, for example, at the same time Carruthers was advising SSAVC on how to set up an African-centered curriculum, he praised the decision of New Orleans’ School Board to remove the name of George Washington from an elementary school. Apparently, some officials in New Orleans had decided that nobody who held slaves should have a school named after him. Carruthers touted the name-change as proof that his African-centered perspective was finally having an effect on public policy. At the demise of George Washington School, Carruthers crowed: “These events remind us of how vast the gulf is that separates the Defenders of Western Civilization from the Champions of African Civilization.”
According to Chicago Annenberg Challenge records, Carruthers’s training session on African-centered curricula for SSAVC teachers was a huge hit: “As a consciousness raising session, it received rave reviews, and has prepared the way for the curriculum readiness survey….” These teacher-training workshops were directly funded by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Another sure sign of the ideological cast of SSAVC’s curriculum can be found in Annenberg documents noting that SSAVC students are taught the wisdom of Ptahhotep. Carruthers’s concerns about “menticide” and “genocide” at the hand of America’s white supremacist system seem to be echoed in an SSAVC document that says: “Our children need to understand the historical context of our struggles for liberation from those forces that seek to destroy us.”
When Jeremiah Wright turned toward African-centered thinking in the late 1980s and early 1990s (the period when, attracted by Wright’s African themes, Barack Obama first became a church member), many prominent thinkers from Carruthers’s Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations were invited to speak at Trinity United Church of Christ, Carruthers himself included. We hear echoes of Carruthers’s work in Wright’s distinction between “right brained” Africans and “left brained” Europeans, in Wright’s fears of U.S. government-sponsored genocide against American blacks, and in Wright’s embittered attacks on America’s indelibly white-supremacist history. In Wright’s Trumpet Newsmagazine, as in Carruthers’s own writings, blacks are often referred to as “Africans living in the diaspora” rather than as Americans.
Asa Hilliard
Chicago Annenberg Challenge records also indicate that SSAVC educators invited Asa Hilliard, a pioneer of African-centered curricula and a close colleague of Carruthers, to offer a keynote address at yet another Annenberg-funded teacher training session. Hilliard’s ties to Wright run still deeper than Carruthers’s. A close Wright mentor and friend, Hilliard died in 2007 while on a trip to Kemet (Egypt) with Wright and members of Wright’s congregation. Hillard was scheduled to deliver several lectures to the congregants, and to speak at a meeting of the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization, which he co-founded with Carruthers and other “African-centered” scholars. On that last trip, Hilliard accepted an appointment to the board of Wright’s new elementary school, Kwame Nkrumah Academy. Speaking of the need for such a school, Wright had earlier said, “We need to educate our children to the reality of white supremacy.” (For more on Wright’s Afrocentric school, see “Jeremiah Wright’s ‘Trumpet.’”)
Wright delivered the eulogy at Hilliard’s memorial service, with prominent members of ASCAC in the audience. To commemorate Hilliard, a special, two-cover double issue of Wright’s Trumpet Newsmagazine was published, with a picture of Hilliard on one side, and a picture of Louis Farrakhan on the other (in celebration of a 2007 award Farrakhan received from Wright). In short, the ties between Wright and Hilliard could hardly have been closer. Clearly, then, Wright’s own educational philosophy was mirrored at the Annenberg-funded SSAVC, which sought out Hilliard’s and Carruthers’s counsel to construct its curriculum.
Perhaps inadvertently, Wright’s eulogy for Hilliard actually established the fringe nature of his favorite African-centered scholars. In his tribute, Wright stressed how intensely “white Egyptologists recoiled at the very notion of everything Asa taught.” As Wright himself made plain, it seems virtually impossible to find respectable scholars of any political stripe who approve of the extremist anti-American version of Afrocentrism promoted by Hilliard and Carruthers.
Ayers’s Pals
An important exception to the rule is Bill Ayers himself, who not only worked with Obama to fund groups like this at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, but who is still “palling around” with the same folks. Discretely waiting until after the election, Bill Ayers and his wife, and fellow former terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn plan to release a book in 2009 entitled Race Course Against White Supremacy. The book will be published by Third World Press, a press set up by Carruthers and other members of the ASCAC. Representatives of that press were prominently present for Wright’s eulogy at Asa Hilliard’s memorial service. Less than a decade ago, therefore, when it came to education issues, Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, and Jeremiah Wright were pretty much on the same page.
Obama’s Knowledge
Given the precedent of his earlier responses on Ayers and Wright, Obama might be inclined to deny personal knowledge of the educational philosophy he was so generously funding. Such a denial would not be convincing. For one thing, we have evidence that in 1995, the same year Obama assumed control of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, he publicly rejected “the unrealistic politics of integrationist assimilation,” a stance that clearly resonates with both Wright and Carruthers. (See “No Liberation.”)
And as noted, Wright had invited Carruthers, Hilliard, and like-minded thinkers to address his Trinity congregants. Wright likes to tick off his connections to these prominent Afrocentrists in sermons, and Obama would surely have heard of them. Reading over SSAVC’s Annenberg proposals, Obama could hardly be ignorant of what they were about. And if by some chance Obama overlooked Hilliard’s or Carruthers’s names, SSAVC’s proposals are filled with references to “rites of passage” and “Ptahhotep,” dead giveaways for the anti-American and separatist ideological concoction favored by SSAVC.
We know that Obama did read the proposals. Annenberg documents show him commenting on proposal quality. And especially after 1995, when concerns over self-dealing and conflicts of interest forced the Ayers-headed “Collaborative” to distance itself from monetary issues, all funding decisions fell to Obama and the board. Significantly, there was dissent within the board. One business leader and experienced grant-smith characterized the quality of most Annenberg proposals as “awful.” (See “The Chicago Annenberg Challenge: The First Three Years,” p. 19.) Yet Obama and his very small and divided board kept the money flowing to ideologically extremist groups like the South Shore African Village Collaborative, instead of organizations focused on traditional educational achievement.
As if the content of SSAVC documents wasn’t warning enough, their proposals consistently misspelled “rites of passage” as “rights of passage,” hardly an encouraging sign from a group meant to improve children’s reading skills. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge’s own evaluators acknowledged that Annenberg-aided schools showed no improvement in achievement scores. Evaluators attributed that failure, in part, to the fact that many of Annenberg’s “external partners” had little educational expertise. A group that puts its efforts into Kwanzaa celebrations and half-baked history certainly fits that bill, and goes a long way toward explaining how Ayers and Obama managed to waste upwards of $150 million without improving student achievement.
However he may seek to deny it, all evidence points to the fact that, from his position as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Barack Obama knowingly and persistently funded an educational project that shared the extremist and anti-American philosophy of Jeremiah Wright. The Wright affair was no fluke. It’s time for McCain to say so.
— Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.
Wright 101
Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Rev. Wright’s anti-Americanism
By Stanley Kurtz
It looks like Jeremiah Wright was just the tip of the iceberg. Not only did Barack Obama savor Wright’s sermons, Obama gave legitimacy — and a whole lot of money — to education programs built around the same extremist anti-American ideology preached by Reverend Wright. And guess what? Bill Ayers is still palling around with the same bitterly anti-American Afrocentric ideologues that he and Obama were promoting a decade ago. All this is revealed by a bit of digging, combined with a careful study of documents from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, the education foundation Obama and Ayers jointly led in the late 1990s.
John McCain, take note. Obama’s tie to Wright is no longer a purely personal question (if it ever was one) about one man’s choice of his pastor. The fact that Obama funded extremist Afrocentrists who shared Wright’s anti-Americanism means that this is now a matter of public policy, and therefore an entirely legitimate issue in this campaign.
African Village
In the winter of 1996, the Coalition for Improved Education in [Chicago’s] South Shore (CIESS) announced that it had received a $200,000 grant from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. That made CIESS an “external partner,” i.e. a community organization linked to a network of schools within the Chicago public system. This network, named the “South Shore African Village Collaborative” was thoroughly “Afrocentric” in orientation. CIESS’s job was to use a combination of teacher-training, curriculum advice, and community involvement to improve academic performance in the schools it worked with. CIESS would continue to receive large Annenberg grants throughout the 1990s.
The South Shore African Village Collaborative (SSAVC) was very much a part of the Afrocentric “rites of passage movement,” a fringe education crusade of the 1990s. SSAVC schools featured “African-Centered” curricula built around “rites of passage” ceremonies inspired by the puberty rites found in many African societies. In and of themselves, these ceremonies were harmless. Yet the philosophy that accompanied them was not. On the contrary, it was a carbon-copy of Jeremiah Wright’s worldview.
Rites of Passage
To learn what the rites of passage movement was all about, we can turn to a sympathetic 1992 study published in the Journal of Negro Education by Nsenga Warfield-Coppock. In that article, Warfield-Coppock bemoans the fact that public education in the United States is shaped by “capitalism, competitiveness, racism, sexism and oppression.” According to Warfield-Coppock, these American values “have confused African American people and oriented them toward American definitions of achievement and success and away from traditional African values.” American socialization has “proven to be dysfuntional and genocidal to the African American community,” Warfield-Coppock tells us. The answer is the adolescent rites of passage movement, designed “to provide African American youth with the cultural information and values they would need to counter the potentially detrimental effects of a Eurocentrically oriented society.”
The adolescent rites of passage movement that flowered in the 1990s grew out of the “cultural nationalist” or “Pan-African” thinking popular in radical black circles of the 1960s and 1970s. The attempt to create a virtually separate and intensely anti-American black social world began to take hold in the mid-1980s in small private schools, which carefully guarded the contents of their controversial curricula. Gradually, through external partners like CIESS, the movement spread to a few public schools. Supporters view these programs as “a social and cultural ‘inoculation’ process that facilitates healthy, African-centered development among African American youth and protects them against the ravages of a racist, sexist, capitalist, and oppressive society.”
We know that SSAVC was part of this movement, not only because their Annenberg proposals were filled with Afrocentric themes and references to “rites of passage,” but also because SSAVC’s faculty set up its African-centered curriculum in consultation with some of the most prominent leaders of the “rites of passage movement.” For example, a CIESS teacher conference sponsored a presentation on African-centered curricula by Jacob Carruthers, a particularly controversial Afrocentrist.
Jacob Carruthers
Like other leaders of the rites of passage movement, Carruthers teaches that the true birthplace of world civilization was ancient “Kemet” (Egypt), from which Kemetic philosophy supposedly spread to Africa as a whole. Carruthers and his colleagues believe that the values of Kemetic civilization are far superior to the isolating and oppressive, ancient Greek-based values of European and American civilization. Although academic Egyptologists and anthropologists strongly reject these historical claims, Carruthers dismisses critics as part of a white supremacist conspiracy to hide the truth of African superiority.
Carruthers’s key writings are collected in his book, Intellectual Warfare. Reading it is a wild, anti-American ride. In his book, we learn that Carruthers and his like-minded colleagues have formed an organization called the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations (ASCAC), which takes as its mission the need to “dismantle the European intellectual campaign to commit historicide against African peoples.” Carruthers includes “African-Americans” within a group he would define as simply “African.” When forced to describe a black person as “American,” Carruthers uses quotation marks, thus indicating that no black person can be American in any authentic sense. According to Carruthers, “The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy.”
Carruthers’s goal is to use African-centered education to recreate a separatist universe within America, a kind of state-within-a-state. The rites of passage movement is central to the plan. Carruthers sees enemies on every part of the political spectrum, from conservatives, to liberals, to academic leftists, all of whom reject advocates of Kemetic civilization, like himself, as dangerous and academically irresponsible extremists. Carruthers sees all these groups as deluded captives of white supremacist Eurocentric culture. Therefore the only safe place for Africans living in the United States (i.e. American blacks) is outside the mental boundaries of our ineradicably racist Eurocentric civilization. As Carruthers puts it: “…some of us have chosen to reject the culture of our oppressors and recover our disrupted ancestral culture.” The rites of passage movement is a way to teach young Africans in the United States how to reject America and recover their authentic African heritage.
America as Rape
Carruthers admits that Africans living in America have already been shaped by Western culture, yet compares this Americanization process to rape: “We may not be able to get our virginity back after the rape, but we do not have to marry the rapist….” In other words, American blacks (i.e. Africans) may have been forcibly exposed to American culture, but that doesn’t mean they need to accept it. The better option, says Carruthers, is to separate out and relearn the wisdom of Africa’s original Kemetic culture, embodied in the teachings of the ancient wise man, Ptahhotep (an historical figure traditionally identified as the author of a Fifth Dynasty wisdom book). Anything less than re-Africanization threatens the mental, and even physical, genocide of Africans living in an ineradicably white supremacist United States.
Carruthers is a defender of Leonard Jeffries, professor in the department of black studies at City College in Harlem, infamous for his black supremacist and anti-Semitic views. Jeffries sees whites as oppressive and violent “ice people,” in contrast to peaceful and mutually supportive black “sun people.” The divergence says Jeffries, is attributable to differing levels of melanin in the skin. Jeffries also blames Jews for financing the slave trade. Carruthers defends Jeffries and excoriates the prestigious black academics Carruthers views as traitorous for denouncing their African brother, Jeffries. Carruthers’s vision of the superior and peaceful Kemetic philosophy of Ptahhotep triumphing over Greco-Euro-American-white culture obviously parallels Jeffries’ opposition between ice people and sun people.
More of Carruthers’s education philosophy can be found in his newsletter, The Kemetic Voice. In 1997, for example, at the same time Carruthers was advising SSAVC on how to set up an African-centered curriculum, he praised the decision of New Orleans’ School Board to remove the name of George Washington from an elementary school. Apparently, some officials in New Orleans had decided that nobody who held slaves should have a school named after him. Carruthers touted the name-change as proof that his African-centered perspective was finally having an effect on public policy. At the demise of George Washington School, Carruthers crowed: “These events remind us of how vast the gulf is that separates the Defenders of Western Civilization from the Champions of African Civilization.”
According to Chicago Annenberg Challenge records, Carruthers’s training session on African-centered curricula for SSAVC teachers was a huge hit: “As a consciousness raising session, it received rave reviews, and has prepared the way for the curriculum readiness survey….” These teacher-training workshops were directly funded by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Another sure sign of the ideological cast of SSAVC’s curriculum can be found in Annenberg documents noting that SSAVC students are taught the wisdom of Ptahhotep. Carruthers’s concerns about “menticide” and “genocide” at the hand of America’s white supremacist system seem to be echoed in an SSAVC document that says: “Our children need to understand the historical context of our struggles for liberation from those forces that seek to destroy us.”
When Jeremiah Wright turned toward African-centered thinking in the late 1980s and early 1990s (the period when, attracted by Wright’s African themes, Barack Obama first became a church member), many prominent thinkers from Carruthers’s Association for the Study of Classical African Civilizations were invited to speak at Trinity United Church of Christ, Carruthers himself included. We hear echoes of Carruthers’s work in Wright’s distinction between “right brained” Africans and “left brained” Europeans, in Wright’s fears of U.S. government-sponsored genocide against American blacks, and in Wright’s embittered attacks on America’s indelibly white-supremacist history. In Wright’s Trumpet Newsmagazine, as in Carruthers’s own writings, blacks are often referred to as “Africans living in the diaspora” rather than as Americans.
Asa Hilliard
Chicago Annenberg Challenge records also indicate that SSAVC educators invited Asa Hilliard, a pioneer of African-centered curricula and a close colleague of Carruthers, to offer a keynote address at yet another Annenberg-funded teacher training session. Hilliard’s ties to Wright run still deeper than Carruthers’s. A close Wright mentor and friend, Hilliard died in 2007 while on a trip to Kemet (Egypt) with Wright and members of Wright’s congregation. Hillard was scheduled to deliver several lectures to the congregants, and to speak at a meeting of the Association for the Study of Classical African Civilization, which he co-founded with Carruthers and other “African-centered” scholars. On that last trip, Hilliard accepted an appointment to the board of Wright’s new elementary school, Kwame Nkrumah Academy. Speaking of the need for such a school, Wright had earlier said, “We need to educate our children to the reality of white supremacy.” (For more on Wright’s Afrocentric school, see “Jeremiah Wright’s ‘Trumpet.’”)
Wright delivered the eulogy at Hilliard’s memorial service, with prominent members of ASCAC in the audience. To commemorate Hilliard, a special, two-cover double issue of Wright’s Trumpet Newsmagazine was published, with a picture of Hilliard on one side, and a picture of Louis Farrakhan on the other (in celebration of a 2007 award Farrakhan received from Wright). In short, the ties between Wright and Hilliard could hardly have been closer. Clearly, then, Wright’s own educational philosophy was mirrored at the Annenberg-funded SSAVC, which sought out Hilliard’s and Carruthers’s counsel to construct its curriculum.
Perhaps inadvertently, Wright’s eulogy for Hilliard actually established the fringe nature of his favorite African-centered scholars. In his tribute, Wright stressed how intensely “white Egyptologists recoiled at the very notion of everything Asa taught.” As Wright himself made plain, it seems virtually impossible to find respectable scholars of any political stripe who approve of the extremist anti-American version of Afrocentrism promoted by Hilliard and Carruthers.
Ayers’s Pals
An important exception to the rule is Bill Ayers himself, who not only worked with Obama to fund groups like this at the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, but who is still “palling around” with the same folks. Discretely waiting until after the election, Bill Ayers and his wife, and fellow former terrorist, Bernardine Dohrn plan to release a book in 2009 entitled Race Course Against White Supremacy. The book will be published by Third World Press, a press set up by Carruthers and other members of the ASCAC. Representatives of that press were prominently present for Wright’s eulogy at Asa Hilliard’s memorial service. Less than a decade ago, therefore, when it came to education issues, Barack Obama, Bill Ayers, and Jeremiah Wright were pretty much on the same page.
Obama’s Knowledge
Given the precedent of his earlier responses on Ayers and Wright, Obama might be inclined to deny personal knowledge of the educational philosophy he was so generously funding. Such a denial would not be convincing. For one thing, we have evidence that in 1995, the same year Obama assumed control of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, he publicly rejected “the unrealistic politics of integrationist assimilation,” a stance that clearly resonates with both Wright and Carruthers. (See “No Liberation.”)
And as noted, Wright had invited Carruthers, Hilliard, and like-minded thinkers to address his Trinity congregants. Wright likes to tick off his connections to these prominent Afrocentrists in sermons, and Obama would surely have heard of them. Reading over SSAVC’s Annenberg proposals, Obama could hardly be ignorant of what they were about. And if by some chance Obama overlooked Hilliard’s or Carruthers’s names, SSAVC’s proposals are filled with references to “rites of passage” and “Ptahhotep,” dead giveaways for the anti-American and separatist ideological concoction favored by SSAVC.
We know that Obama did read the proposals. Annenberg documents show him commenting on proposal quality. And especially after 1995, when concerns over self-dealing and conflicts of interest forced the Ayers-headed “Collaborative” to distance itself from monetary issues, all funding decisions fell to Obama and the board. Significantly, there was dissent within the board. One business leader and experienced grant-smith characterized the quality of most Annenberg proposals as “awful.” (See “The Chicago Annenberg Challenge: The First Three Years,” p. 19.) Yet Obama and his very small and divided board kept the money flowing to ideologically extremist groups like the South Shore African Village Collaborative, instead of organizations focused on traditional educational achievement.
As if the content of SSAVC documents wasn’t warning enough, their proposals consistently misspelled “rites of passage” as “rights of passage,” hardly an encouraging sign from a group meant to improve children’s reading skills. The Chicago Annenberg Challenge’s own evaluators acknowledged that Annenberg-aided schools showed no improvement in achievement scores. Evaluators attributed that failure, in part, to the fact that many of Annenberg’s “external partners” had little educational expertise. A group that puts its efforts into Kwanzaa celebrations and half-baked history certainly fits that bill, and goes a long way toward explaining how Ayers and Obama managed to waste upwards of $150 million without improving student achievement.
However he may seek to deny it, all evidence points to the fact that, from his position as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, Barack Obama knowingly and persistently funded an educational project that shared the extremist and anti-American philosophy of Jeremiah Wright. The Wright affair was no fluke. It’s time for McCain to say so.
— Stanley Kurtz is a senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center.

KH: Oh boy, Corsi is writing an article about it! You can bet that’s going to be a fact filled piece of work. Gee, I just can’t wait to read it!
Honestly, do you know why Obama supporters won’t even listen to this kind of crap anymore? It’s because everytime we read something negative about Obama and we go to places like snopes.com to find out more about it, we find out it’s all a bunch of lies.
The only thing I give a rat’s a$$ about when it comes to Bill Ayers is that his “we didn’t do enough” comment was taken so completely out of context. Maybe some of you would have been a lot happier if another 50,000+ soldiers had died in Vietnam.

What’s the argument about the age of the planet?

For those of you posting Ayers has been pardoned, who pardoned him? His case was thrown out due to a wire-tapping technicality, but I don’t think he was pardoned. Clinton pardoned two convicted weather-underground members, but not Ayers.

Hey, I have a question: What should we call all the pilots who actually brought back their planes safely and in one piece to their aircraft carriers and avoided to be taken prisoners of war after bombing Hanoi in 1967, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72? Should we call them Cowards?

It appears I have ruffled some paid Obots’ feathers. I love it!!!

“Honestly, do you know why Obama supporters won’t even listen to this kind of crap anymore?’
Because you’re dense?
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They have been brain washed. Victims of Ayers and Obama.

africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/08/10/senator-barack-obama-in-kenya-obama-and-odinga-the-true-story/

“McCain has no room to talk about Obama’s connection to Bill Ayers, when Obama was only eight years old at the time of Ayers actions against the government in which a revolution at that time was very prevalent”
How old was he when he sat in Ayers’ living room looking for guidance and yet another mentor?

He needs to ask him about his own words in his books..
From Dreams of My Father:’I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’
From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’
From Dreams of My Father:’There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’
From Dreams of My Father:’I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’
And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope:’I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction
Posted by: chuck | Oct 14, 2008 12:38:14 PM
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Hey, ignorant Chuck. Like we believe you’ve ever read one of Barack’s books. Go here and get the truth on the crap you’re spewing.
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html

No matter who wins this election, nothing will change. Voters should be worried who is going to be in congress.

Reply to
is cowardly and devoid of the dignity of the office which he seeks.
Posted by: Obamacrat for McCain | Oct 14, 2008 12:28:05 PM
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REALLY? The only two devoid of dignity in this race are Palin and McComplain! “John McCain has shown a stunning failure of leadership. His campaign, in a time of economic crisis and foreign policy drift, has degenerated into a negative and nasty campaign of smears.
The reports are piling up of ugliness at the campaign rallies of John McCain and Sarah Palin. Audience members hurl insults and racial epithets, call out “Kill Him!” and “Off With His Head,” and yell “treason” when Senator Obama’s name is mentioned. I strongly condemn language like this which can only be described as hate-filled.
According to reports, every ad paid for by the John McCain campaign is now a negative ad – every single one! McCain allows his running mate to make outrageous charges that only a few years ago would have disqualified someone from serious consideration for national office”.

~ Just watch McCain take notes fast & furious” HE CANNOT REMEMBER A THREE PART QUESTION LONG ENOUGH TO ANSWER IT!
~ Just the myopic vision we need for America? You BETCHA!!!!

:If there was a contradiction in his comments on how much he knew “about” Ayers, that is unfortuntate, but if we didn’t vote for any politician that gave ccntradictions, we wouldn’t have a government. Do you really want this to be a contest by bringing out all of McCain’s contradictions, flip-flops and lies?
Posted by: jock59801″
Thank you for supporting my assertions about many Obama supporters blind loyalty.
“All politicians lie to one degree or another so why should I care about Obama’s” is basically what you just said. Nice.
Well I’m fine with a contest since many of McCains assertions he can point at his record. Obama asks for “change you can believe in” since if he points at his record it doesn’t support his positions.
I don’t really blame Obama since he only knew about a year ago he would be running this year so had to drastically change his voting record without much lead time. He made the statement “I won’t have the experience in 2008 and experience is key” but then realized Hillary could be a 2 term president and he would have to wait until 2016.
His ambition got the better of him and he lied and ran early. Even the start of his campaign is based off a lie that he wouldn’t run until 2012.
If he had waited until 2012 like he said when elected to the senate he would have had another 4 years to hide his true intentions and policies with more bipartisan voting but as it stands you can see the presidential run ramp up as he tried to appear like a centrist.

What the hell has happened to John McCain recently- he’s not the man I remember.

If McCain brings this up, it’s over. Obama, it’s bait season! Roll him in now….very slowly!
They always say…Don’t go down without a fight!
It’s over McCain!

KH – McCain and Palin have their own list of people and organizations that could be used relentlessly against them, but they are not. Gordon Liddy, ties to Iran-Contra, AIP, McCain’s own ties to ACORN and the Annenberg Challenge, Keating 5, Abramhoff, Graham, Ted Stevens, VECO, personal affairs, Hagee, Palin’s pastor and those are the ones off the top of my head.
I don’t think Obama supporters are “brainwashed” – they are focused on the issues.

birdy you are probably not old enough to know what vietnam was about. And if the American people would have supported that invlovement, it probably would not have turned out the way it did.

Bill Airs is a lecturer or professor in a university in America. He is not ostracized for his deeds in the 60s but now Obama will be for talking to Mr Airs? Bill Airs is in the front on education issues in Illinois, he has thought hundreds of students in that university. God forbid that any of his black students should run for office in this country.

Oh well. I’m sure it does no good trying to refute the lies of the right-wing noise machine. Even when we show them to be such nonsense that even they would be embarrassed to bring it up, they would just make up something else.
Fighting hate is like standing with your finger in the dike. It never lets up.

Come fly into our web of destruction, said Obama the spider to McChicken the cockroach.
To go from John Wayne McCain to Bozo the Clown with lipstick has gotta be demoralizing.
“THAT ONE” continues to not only drink McChicken’s milkshakes, but b**** slaps him regularly on the daily.
Cindy McChicken………How does it feel to see your Great White Hope reduced to a Great White Nope? Is he still flip flopping and pulling out too soon on you too? Tsk, Tsk
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK

Even The New York Times now is saying that Barack Obama’s unswerving call for tax increases — to impose more “fairness” — is the wrong prescription for the current crisis in the U.S. economy.

So eight years ago we elected a corrupt product of a political machine, one with very little real political experience to boot, as our President. Eight years later, we are going to do it all over again. Who are the real idiots here? We will get exactly what we deserve and nothing more.

“I hope McCain brings up the Berg lawsuit”
I hope he does too. It would be the end of his campaign.

“So eight years ago we elected a corrupt product of a political machine, one with very little real political experience to boot, as our President. Eight years later, we are going to do it all over again. Who are the real idiots here? We will get exactly what we deserve and nothing more. ”
The definition of insanity.

karin: “McCain has to bring it up because the media won’t. Just like Acorn, Wright, Raines, etc, etc”
The media has adequantely covered ACORN, Wright and Raines? Really?
I remember when you couldn’t turn on a TV without seeing Wright, and now you can’t turn it on without seeing ACORN.

Conduct Unbecoming an Officer. Or a Presidential Candidate.
What is with the ugly name calling?
Are we now to be frightened into voting for the Republicans?
This is a campaign strategy? Yowsa.
What happened to the concept of Statesman: one who was articulate, passionate about constituients and issues, well educated, well spoken, a person who was admired?
Thank You, Karl Rove, for destroying that too.
These days I am actually feeling a bit bad for McCain.
Eratic, as he has been called, fits. Here we have a man once thought of as a Statesman, one to be honored not only for his time in the military, but for his of lifetime of service to our country. But McCain continues to soil himself, his shorts, is record, by engaging in this horrible campaign.
I am saddened to see him pandering to the evangelicals, to the right wing nut jobs, and really to anyone who will listen anymore. “Say anything”, imply anything ,do anything to win. Seems as if this is going badly. Maybe he should be on SNL in a re-do of “oops I crapped my pants”.
In retrospect, his time in the White House was stolen from him by Rove and the other Bush cronies. That should have been his Presidency, not the reign of Clueless George the Divider. And Eavesdropper, apparently.
And sadly, that time has now past. The world has become too complex and combustible fo a 72 year old working from his playbook that was in fashion 10 years ago. Crisp, new and fresh is in the air. Puffy, old and stale is not.
And his choice of running mate, that shining beacon of refined world-view, sinks this ship entirely.

“Even The New York Times now is saying that Barack Obama’s unswerving call for tax increases — to impose more “fairness” — is the wrong prescription for the current crisis in the U.S. economy.”
Can’t they understand that he just wants to redistribute the wealth a little.

HA HA :.. Lengthy, but a worthwhile read. Have you heard about the Howard Stern producer interviews? Definitely worth a few minutes:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/12/howard-stern-interviews-obama-supporters.php

“Obama” writes just like Bill Ayers. That was obvious when I picked up a copy of “A Kind And Just Parent” from the library. Jack Cashill has done a lot of research and concluded that Willima Ayers wrote “Obama’s” book “Dreams.”

Obama wants him to bring it up, he even dared him to basically, so Obama must have a solid defense on the issues.

you people keep “yeasting” this man up, and EVERY time it backfires bigtime and he ends up looking more desperate and stupid than before. on that stage next to Barack, mccain will ALWAYS end up looking like an old, cranky man.
you people are going to drive this man to explode. lol

The McCain gang should hold a long discussion group before they start their Personal Attack Message. Palin’s character assignation of Obama was a mistake. Most of us voters remember the “Keating Five” and John McCain was one of the five. The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, they were accused of improperly aiding Charles Keating Jr. who was chairman of the failed Lincoln Saving and Loan. The result of this collapse was 21,000 people; most ere elderly members and they lost their life savings. Keating was a very close social friend of John McCain and oh yes, Keating served 5 years in federal prison for corrupt mismanagement of Lincoln Saving and Loan. CC
If you want to talk about scandal here’s one for all the voters to read about: When considering John McCain’s history of unethical behavior, the list usually starts (and ends) with the Keating Five scandal in the 1980s, for which McCain was rebuked by the Senate Ethics Committee for having shown, at a minimum, poor judgment. In the aftermath, McCain helped improve his public image, and bury the scandal, by becoming an advocate of campaign-finance reform.But the notion that McCain cleaned up his act may not be entirely true. Take, for example, Donald Diamond, a wealthy Arizona real estate developer and generous McCain contributor, who wanted some coastal land in California freed up by an Army base closing.When Mr. Diamond wanted to buy land at the base, Fort Ord, Mr. McCain assigned an aide who set up a meeting at the Pentagon and later stepped in again to help speed up the sale, according to people involved and a deposition Mr. Diamond gave for a related lawsuit. When he appealed to a nearby city for the right to develop other property at the former base, Mr. Diamond submitted Mr. McCain’s endorsement as “a close personal friend.”Writing to officials in the city, Seaside, Calif., the senator said, “You will find him as honorable and committed as I have.”Courting local officials and potential partners, Mr. Diamond’s team promised that he could “help get through some of the red tape in dealing with the Department of the Army” because Mr. Diamond “has been very active with Senator McCain,” a partner said in a deposition.For Mr. McCain, the Arizona Republican who has staked two presidential campaigns on pledges to avoid even the appearance of dispensing an official favor for a donor, Mr. Diamond is the kind of friend who can pose a test.Ya think? The closer one looks at this, the worse it appears.In California, the McCain aide’s assistance with the Army helped Mr. Diamond complete a purchase in 1999 that he soon turned over for a $20 million profit. And Mr. McCain’s letter of recommendation reinforced Mr. Diamond’s selling point about his McCain connections as he pursued — and won in 2005 — a potentially much more lucrative deal to develop a resort hotel and luxury housing.In Arizona, Mr. McCain has helped Mr. Diamond with matters as small as forwarding a complaint in a regulatory skirmish over the endangered pygmy owl, and as large as introducing legislation remapping public lands. In 1991 and 1994, Mr. McCain sponsored two laws sought by Mr. Diamond that resulted in providing him millions of dollars and thousands of acres in exchange for adding some of his properties to national parks. The Arizona senator co-sponsored a third similar bill now before the Senate. […]For the California projects, the campaign said the McCain aide arranged the introduction to an Army official for Mr. Diamond’s team as “a constituent matter.”Oh, is that what the kids are calling it these days?McCain helped a wealthy and generous donor buy land from the Army — complete with special water rights — for a quarter of a million dollars, which McCain’s buddy then sold two years later for $20 million. There’s a term for this — it’s called “influence peddling,” and it’s exactly the kind of thing McCain swears he never gets involved with.If the Rezko story was considered a big deal by campaign reporters, the Donald Diamond issue should be huge. Why the New York Times ran this the day of the Pennsylvania primary, when it’s likely to get lost in the shuffle, is a mystery to me. If this same story ran on Thursday morning, it would have become the talk of the political world in a hurry.

KH – yes it leaves me speechless sometimes. I wonder if people know that Chicago also pays the highest taxes in the country. People shop in Indiana. How is that good for small businesses in Chicago? People really just need to look at Obama’s record. The official record not what FactCheck or the news organziations feed to you. There are going to be a lot of P’od people when their taxes are raised. You have to notice that he hasn’t promised to not raise taxes for those making less than $250k. That’s because, well, he’s smart. Smarter than the Average Joe or plumber. It will be laughable.

to miles 1967….
to see the real Obama (if there is such a thing) check out http://www.theobamafiles.com….
this should scare you to death!!!!
Obama as leader of the free world….NOT!!!!!!

Too bad Obama won’t make an issue of McCain’s own support of the Contra terrorists in the 1980s, or his support of dictators in Pakistan until very recently.

“McCain has no room to talk about Obama’s connection to Bill Ayers, when Obama was only eight years old at the time of Ayers actions against the government in which a revolution at that time was very prevalent”
How old was he when he sat in Ayers’ living room looking for guidance and yet another mentor?
Posted by: Mack |
To mack:
WHO CARES???!!!!!!!! read, the association is also to be blamed to MccAin. The foundation ayers run is funded and founded by one of Mccain’s TOP supporters and by other important REPUBLICAN MEMBERS.
MOVE ON.. If you want to win this election, win it fair and square with important issues. NOT WITH GARBAGE LIKE THIS.
yOU ARE LISTENING TOO MUCH TO HANNITY!!.

Youngatheart
FactCheck.org is run by Obama…..True story

o what are the crimes that have caused all the Sturm und Drang on US television and talk radio, and in several otherwise respectable newspapers and even by the McCain campaign itself?
The only actual crime here is that Acorn managed to register some 1.3m low-income (read: Democratic-leaning) voters over the past two years. The rest is, pretty much, just made up.
But in the bloody and desperate trenches of the Republican war on democracy, that’s more than enough to kick in a last minute surge of lies that may – with the help of a compliant and lazy corporate US media – wreak enough havoc, scare enough voters, confuse enough people and plant enough seeds to call an Obama victory into doubt on November 4.
If you can’t win it, steal it. If you can’t steal it, claim the other guy stole it. If you can’t claim the other guy stole it (yet), say they’re about to and then kick up smoke that maybe someone will believe you. (Heckuva job, CNN.)”
—guardianuk.com

McCain knows Ayers was a rehabilitated and respected member of the community by the time Obama was old enough to vote. Every major journalist has said there is no substance to these links to terrorism. McCain himself was tied to the Iran Contra scandal through a group linked to ex-Nazis twenty years ago- does this mean he is a Nazi sympathizer? So, while the economy is failing, McCain is making a call for all bigots and hate-mongers to join his parade of slime. He is desperate and it is a personal call to jihad for his campaign. And they are coming out of the woodwork, every right wing nut in the country is answering the call with the fear and smear garbage that McCain is using to whip up hatred. McCain is not a hero or a leader. He displays the same cowardice that he displayed when he ratted on his Keating Five comrades to escape prosecution. At a Florida rally where Palin called Obama a terrorist some one even yelled Kill Him! – shades of the Nazi hate rallies. McCain is bringing great shame on the electoral process and his erratic behavior makes it clear he is not qualified to be president any more than his junkyard dog running mate.

“FactCheck.org is run by Obama…..True story”
You’ll just say anything that you are fed, won’t you?
Why is it that the people who go out of their way to claim “true story” are always the ones who are lying?

Arial,
Taxes are high but NOT because of OBAMA…and people do not go to shop in Indiana….please get your facts straight…

Rollingstone.com
Make-Believe Maverick
A closer look at the life and career of John McCain reveals a disturbing record of recklessness and dishonesty
Throughout the campaign this year, McCain has tried to make the contest about honor and character. His own writing gives us the standard by which he should be judged. “Always telling the truth in a political campaign,” he writes in Worth the Fighting For, “is a great test of character.” He adds: “Patriotism that only serves and never risks one’s self-interest isn’t patriotism at all. It’s selfishness. That’s a lesson worth relearning from time to time.” It’s a lesson, it would appear, that the candidate himself could stand to relearn.
“I’m sure John McCain loves his country,” says Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism czar under Bush. “But loving your country and lying to the American people are apparently not inconsistent in his view.”

Blogger Steve Diamond pointed out a very close tie between Obama and Ayers through the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. At a White House event with Bill Clinton, philanthropist Walter Annenberg announced that he was making a $500 million grant to cities across the nation to put towards public school reform. Bill Ayers led the group that brought $49.2 million to Chicago and formed the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. The kick-off in January 1995 was attended by the governor of Illinois and the mayor of Chicago, as well as many other luminaries. The first chairman of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was Barack Obama, a post he held until 1999 when he stepped down and remained on the board. Bill Ayers worked closely with the Challenge as a leader of the newly-formed Chicago School Reform Collaborative.
That is a relationship that goes well beyond “a guy who lives in my neighborhood.” And there is a possibility the relationship began long before 1995. In 1987 there was a push for school reform in Chicago. Thomas Ayers was a leader of the ABCs Coalition which was coordinated by his son, Bill Ayers. One member of the coalition was the Developing Communities Project, headed up by Barack Obama before he left for Harvard.
Obama has not been forthcoming about this. And the latest development in the news concerns the archives of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, currently housed at the Richard J. Daley Library of the University of Illinois at Chicago. Mr. Kurtz was originally granted permission to review the archives, which might shed a great deal of light on the extent of the interaction and working relationship between Messrs. Obama and Ayers. However, the donor, whose identity the library will not reveal, has not granted permission for the public to have access to these documents; the library claims to be negotiating their release post-haste.
The McCain campaign team has highlighted this puzzle in a recent press release, which should create some media attention.
Obama has been concealing and misleading the voters about his relationship with Ayers, and someone is keeping the lid on these documents. So again, why the cover-up?
Without knowing the extent of the relationship, it is impossible to be certain why Obama is concealing it. At a minimum, I would guess that he would prefer not to explain to middle America why he chose to have a longtime association with a domestic terrorist and hard left radical. It is also a probable source of embarrassment that the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was viewed as a failure. Obama does not have much executive experience on his resume and education reform is a topic near and dear to many voter’s hearts. Since Obama’s career in education reform amounts to hanging with a radical leftist terrorist and accomplishing nothing, he might well prefer to conceal this and discuss something else.
But it is possible there is more to hide. The tax returns of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge are available (1998, 1999) and include disbursements made by the group, so if Chairman Barack was funneling money to absurd left wing projects the public would soon find out. But what if Ayers advocated some now-embarrassing left-wing proposal supported by Obama but rejected by the full board? Since it was never funded, that moment of awkwardness would show up in the currently-concealed board minutes but not the tax returns. Steve Diamond noted that an early disbursement of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge was to a group led by former student radical Mike Klonsky. Is No Radical Left Behind the sort of Hope and Change on which Obama wants to campaign?
More probably, the board minutes may simply detail a close relationship between Ayers and Obama. Steve Diamond obtained related records from Brown University and confirms that Ayers made presentations to the board while Barack chaired it, so we can be sure they worked together. And tagging Ayers as an unapologetic left-wing radical is easy. For example, his speech to Hugo Chavez of Venezuela in 2006 explained the importance of education reform: “We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution” or “La educacion es revolucion!”.
We will see whether Obama can keep these secrets through November.

John McCain is an over privileged, stubborn, hot-headed, son of admirals who destroyed 3 military aircrafts due to his “maverick” lawless nature.

Obama and Acorn
From: The Wall Street Journal
At the recent Emmy Awards, historian Laura Linney averred that America’s Founders had been “community organizers” — like Barack Obama. Too bad they aren’t like that any more. Mr. Obama’s kind of organizers work at Acorn, the militant advocacy group that is turning up in reports about voter fraud across the country.
Acorn — the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now — has been around since 1970 and boasts 350,000 members. We’ve written about them for years, but Acorn is now getting more attention as John McCain’s campaign makes an issue of the fraud reports and Acorn’s ties to Mr. Obama. It’s about time someone exposed this shady outfit that uses government dollars to lobby for larger government.
Acorn uses various affiliated groups to agitate for “a living wage,” for “affordable housing,” for “tax justice” and union and environmental goals, as well as against school choice and welfare reform. It was a major contributor to the subprime meltdown by pushing lenders to make home loans on easy terms, conducting “strikes” against banks so they’d lower credit standards.
But the organization’s real genius is getting American taxpayers to foot the bill. According to a 2006 report from the Employment Policies Institute (EPI), Acorn has been on the federal take since 1977. For instance, Acorn’s American Institute for Social Justice claimed $240,000 in tax money between fiscal years 2002 and 2003. Its American Environmental Justice Project received 100% of its revenue from government grants in the same years. EPI estimates the Acorn Housing Corporation alone received some $16 million in federal dollars from 1997-2007. Only recently, Democrats tried and failed to stuff an “affordable housing” provision into the $700 billion bank rescue package that would have let politicians give even more to Acorn.
All this money gives Acorn the ability to pursue its other great hobby: electing liberals. Acorn is spending $16 million this year to register new Democrats and is already boasting it has put 1.3 million new voters on the rolls. The big question is how many of these registrations are real.
The Michigan Secretary of State told the press in September that Acorn had submitted “a sizeable number of duplicate and fraudulent applications.” Earlier this month, Nevada’s Democratic Secretary of State Ross Miller requested a raid on Acorn’s offices, following complaints of false names and fictional addresses (including the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys). Nevada’s Clark County Registrar of Voters Larry Lomax said he saw rampant fraud in 2,000 to 3,000 applications Acorn submitted weekly.
Officials in Ohio are investigating voter fraud connected with Acorn, and Florida’s Seminole County is withholding Acorn registrations that appear fraudulent. New Mexico, North Carolina and Missouri are looking into hundreds of dubious Acorn registrations. Wisconsin is investigating Acorn employees for, according to an election official, “making people up or registering people that were still in prison.”
Then there’s Lake County, Indiana, which has already found more than 2,100 bogus applications among the 5,000 Acorn dumped right before the deadline. “All the signatures looked exactly the same,” said Ruthann Hoagland, of the county election board. Bridgeport, Connecticut estimates about 20% of Acorn’s registrations were faulty. As of July, the city of Houston had rejected or put on hold about 40% of the 27,000 registration cards submitted by Acorn.
That’s just this year. In 2004, four Acorn employees were indicted in Ohio for submitting false voter registrations. In 2005, two Colorado Acorn workers were found to have submitted false registrations. Four Acorn Missouri employees were indicted in 2006; five were found guilty in Washington state in 2007 for filling out registration forms with names from a phone book.
Which brings us to Mr. Obama, who got his start as a Chicago “community organizer” at Acorn’s side. In 1992 he led voter registration efforts as the director of Project Vote, which included Acorn. This past November, he lauded Acorn’s leaders for being “smack dab in the middle” of that effort. Mr. Obama also served as a lawyer for Acorn in 1995, in a case against Illinois to increase access to the polls.
During his tenure on the board of Chicago’s Woods Fund, that body funneled more than $200,000 to Acorn. More recently, the Obama campaign paid $832,000 to an Acorn affiliate. The campaign initially told the Federal Election Commission this money was for “staging, sound, lighting.” It later admitted the cash was to get out the vote.
The Obama campaign is now distancing itself from Acorn, claiming Mr. Obama never organized with it and has nothing to do with illegal voter registration. Yet it’s disingenuous to channel cash into an operation with a history of fraud and then claim you’re shocked to discover reports of fraud. As with Rev. Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers, Mr. Obama was happy to associate with Acorn when it suited his purposes. But now that he’s on the brink of the Presidency, he wants to disavow his ties.
The Justice Department needs to treat these fraud reports as something larger than a few local violators. The question is whether Acorn is systematically subverting U.S. election law — on the taxpayer’s dime.

Please do, McCain. And please explain how the Republican backed Chicago Annenberg Challenge was a radical education foundation

McCain: Guts? Maybe. Brains? No!!

Posted by: Change, Yeah right. | Oct 14, 2008 2:43:44 PM
So eight years ago WE elected a corrupt product of a political machine, one with very little real political experience to boot, as our President. Eight years later, we are going to do it all over again. Who are the real idiots here? We will get exactly what we deserve and nothing more.
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Whose this WE you’re referring to?
1. The country did not elect Bush in 2000, he was selected by the Supreme Court.
2. Maybe fools like you voted for Bush in 2004. I, for one, did not vote for him in 2000 nor 2004.
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Don’t blame Democrats for the current disaster – that is all the doing of the Republican party. Your party has controlled both houses of Congress for the past 12 of 14 years, and the executive for the past eight years.
The current war in Iraq and its disastrous execution; the current financial meltdown (whatever its underlying causes) occurred on the Republican watch, while the government was under Republican control.
Its time the Republican party own up to its failed ideology and failed policies.
Note: the problem has not only been Bush’s failed leadership, but also Republican’s in Congress who have blindly followed that leadership, those voters in 2004 who put Bush into office for a second term, and a Republican controlled Supreme Court that installed Bush in office in 2000.
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The Republican Brand =
1. Incompetence;
2. Disregard for the Constitution;
3. An arrogant, ideologically driven rather than pragmatic economic policy

McCain didn’t have the guts to bring up the Ayers connection during the two earlier debates. If he brings it up at the third debate, it’s only because a lot of people — not just Obama — have questioned McCain’s failure to do so.
McCain has no choice but to bring it up now — or look like a wimp if he doesn’t.
If McCain starts in on Ayers, Obama will calmly and reasonably explain to tens of millions of TV viewers how weak his relationship to Ayers is. The polls have shown that voters just don’t care very much about this “issue.”
And then Obama, calmly and reasonably, will counter with McCain’s own questionable and stronger connections to Keating, Bonanno, and Liddy. Not to mention his running mate’s link to a secessionist organization.

Bring it! I really hope McCain confronts Obama about this. It will be a very stupid move on McCain’s part, but it’ll make for very entertaining tv.

m@chiavelli….. What was it the Spreme Court did?

AYERS WAS FOUND “NOT GUILTY” ON ALL CHARGES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PEOPLE DON’T KNOW THAT….
HE’S PLANNING TO SUE THE REPUBS AFTER THE
CAMPAIGN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please do, McCain. And please explain how the Republican backed Chicago Annenberg Challenge was a radical education foundation
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Ayers duped them under the guise of education reform.

“KH – yes it leaves me speechless sometimes. I wonder if people know that Chicago also pays the highest taxes in the country. People shop in Indiana. How is that good for small businesses in Chicago? People really just need to look at Obama’s record. The official record not what FactCheck or the news organziations feed to you. There are going to be a lot of P’od people when their taxes are raised. You have to notice that he hasn’t promised to not raise taxes for those making less than $250k. That’s because, well, he’s smart. Smarter than the Average Joe or plumber. It will be laughable.
Posted by: arial”
Yep right on target. Many people “believing” in Obama probably don’t remember the last democratic president who used class warfare and “lowering taxes on the middle class” then turned around and raised taxes on everyone who made over $20K a year.

McCain -
underdog, maverick, fighter, LOSER

Republicans infiltrated ACORN and planted those bogus fillings just to say what they are saying now about the organization.

Bring up his involvement in ACORN instead. I would love to hear his reponses to some questions on his role in this organization,

This has been Obama’s plan all along. Get his opponents to talk about him. Once they do, he’ll then say – ‘We have the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression and they aren’t willing to talk economics.’ Another thing, should McCain bring up Ayers in tomorrow’s debate, Obama will step up calmly and renounce Ayers- he’ll go on to deliver an eloquent speech on how terrorism (domestic or foreign)is intolerable and go on to win the hearts and minds of gullible voters. This is the way he is. He has always been this way. And here, we have a brief character tutorial of Barack Obama.

Have you heard about the Howard Stern producer interviews? Definitely worth a few minutes:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/12/howard-stern-interviews-obama-supporters.php

FYI – oh my facts are straight. I’m living it. But your right its not Obama’s fault b/c he’s doesn’t do jack here in his own state anyway. Oh wait he did – he banned handgun ownership and wanted to prosecute the man that shot the guy breaking into his house. That’s security for you.
And Thanks Mack!

AYERS IS MY HERO!
Only in America can a white man create murder a mayem on such a disastrous scale (according to the cynics) and end up to be one of the most respected educators in the country.
Cynics, if he was so “McVeighish”, WHY ISN’T HE IN PRISON FOR LIFE?
Ayers has to be laughing his a** off while sipping on a chardonnay.
Silly cynics……..If they only had a brain.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!

It’s not your guts anyone’s worried about, it’s your brains.

I was going to quietly sit idle and watch from the sidelines our Presidential elections play out, realizing that my vote means nothing. However after hearing the comments this weekend of Barack Obama I realize that I must do everything in my power to make sure that power is not consolidated into a single political party.
To see what got me so fired up watch this video:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=195153
So, you are probably saying what’s the big deal? Unless you skipped your social studies classes in high school you realize that when someone says “they want to redistribute wealth” they believe in socialism. Go to wikipedia and look up the definition of socialism and compare it to what is going on this country right now and then listen to what Barack is saying and what he is promoting on his web site. Barack is not alone because the Bush administration is brainless to think of any alternative solutions to the economic mess that brought us down this road; these brainless decisions include the plan to bail out Wall Street, buy 80% of the largest US insurance company, AIG, and now talk of buying into banks.
I don’t want you to think that McCain will be better for this economy, he won’t. He has no clue how to buy an election. Obama understands how to buy an election. Make yourself appealing to 95% of the voters who are not racists. However, I firmly believe that McCain’s inept comprehension of our economic mess is a better alternative than Barack’s socialist approach. Barack will continue us down the road of Socialism.
You probably don’t realize this but this once great country was a socialist state once before. That was in the 1930′s during the Great Depression when FDR was our President. Now that historians have had time to analyze and judge his policies it is widely accepted that those policies took us from a Depression and created a Great Depression. It was only our unintended entry into WWII that took us out of the Great Depression because it created jobs which pumped money into the economy. I guess socialists draw the line at fascism since that was what Germany was turning Europe into, a single giant Fascist state. Did you know that the Great Depression followed the Greatest Economic Boom in our history to that point in time? The roaring twentys. A period of excess and corprate greed. Sound familiar? Yep, we just went through this with the dot com and housing boom. Back then the US voters overreacted and warmly embraced a platform of socialist ideals because it was the opposite of the current policy except what they did not realize was that those policies were going to make things worse. Sound familar. We are about to repeat history. Make the same great mistake and make matters worse. Now my solution is to not elect either man and find someone who understands the severity of the problem. But, that is not going to happen. Whoever we elect as the next President we must make sure his power is no more than a caretaker so we have 4 years to figure how to fix this problem and find someone who will fix it the right way.
So, what how do we do this? Well, we can vote out congress. Congress has a lower approval rating than Bush. As a matter of fact Congress’s approval rating is one third of that of Bush. One-third!!!! Every incumbent up for reelection Cast a no vote for them and vote for the challenger. No matter what party. Educate yourself on the candidates and seriously consider an independent. Bush is already leaving and the Congress that helped him dig us deeper into this mess needs to go to. Do the right thing and give this country a fresh state. Put new people in office not tied to some lobbyist or party agenda. Give us hope. Put America and democracy first. Put 2008 down in the history books as the second US revolution where Americans took their country back from corrupt politicians and powerful lobbyists. God bless America!!!
If you believe in what i wrote please pass this along. We still have time to save this country. Get our voices heard! Take it to the streets! Fill up media web sites bulletin boards and blogs with this post. I have gone from being betrayed to awake and will not sleep till election day to see if I can also wake up America to make a change. Please join me and help wake up America. We can’t afford to get it wrong this time.

“You are what makes America special” McCain says in a speech at an ACORN rally in 2006.

Remember what G.W. said, I’m a uniter, look how well that worked out, we all look real united.

If “THAT ONE” BLACK man is responsible for everything from Palin’s investigation, to organizing bombings at the age of 8. To single handedly changing Chicago(?), to Nationwide voter “REGISTRATION” fraud (voter fraud is completely different, don’t tell Fox News though). To being the 1st “foreign born” (Idiots) presidential candidate.
Maybe we do need to elect this guy? He sounds like Superman! The hell with a hero, I want a “Super” Hero.

Have you heard about the Howard Stern producer interviews? Definitely worth a few minutes:
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2008/10/12/howard-stern-interviews-obama-supporters.php

As the lead federal prosecutor of the Weathermen in the 1970s (I was then chief of the criminal division in the Eastern District of Michigan and took over the Weathermen prosecution in 1972), I am amazed and outraged that Senator Barack Obama is being linked to William Ayers’s terrorist activities 40 years ago when Mr. Obama was, as he has noted, just a child.
Although I dearly wanted to obtain convictions against all the Weathermen, including Bill Ayers, I am very pleased to learn that he has become a responsible citizen.
Because Senator Obama recently served on a board of a charitable organization with Mr. Ayers cannot possibly link the senator to acts perpetrated by Mr. Ayers so many years ago.
I do take issue with the statement in your news article that the Weathermen indictment was dismissed because of “prosecutorial misconduct.” It was dismissed because of illegal activities, including wiretaps, break-ins and mail interceptions, initiated by John N. Mitchell, attorney general at that time, and W. Mark Felt, an F.B.I. assistant director.
William C. Ibershof (Republican)
From the New York TImes 10/09
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/10/opinion/l10ayers.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=ayers%20prosecutor%20letter&st=cse&oref=slogin

Hey Chuck, don’t just cut-n-paste those silly anti-Obama e-mails. Research them first. The “stand with the muslims” thing is not true:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/518/

don’t talk about christianity to defend voting for mccain/palin. it’s a load of cr*p.
obama has lived a moral life being a faithful husband and good father. so has biden. biden’s children grew up to be good, well educated people. same goes for their wives.
you people keep talking about obama’s connections to people that did bad deeds when mccain/palin ARE THE PEOPLE THAT DO BAD DEEDS.

“Cryos et al, don’t mention last democratic president. I remember he balanced budget, made new economy, and lowest unemployment in history.
Republicans only knows woodoo economics for the rich and are now destroying America.
Posted by: catiger”
Once again ignore my FACT I posted regarding Clinton raising everyone’s taxes completely contradicting his campaign platform and talk about liberal talking points.
Ignore the fact the dotcoms and tech industry crashed at the end of his term and he took out high interest short term government loans the last 1-2 years of his administration making it tough for whoever followed him to balance things out.
Clinton and Bush should be prime examples of why you can’t “believe” what a candidate since they often do the opposite once in office but it goes to show that people never learn.

The problem with guilt-by-association is, of course, that association can be an unreliable indicator. The fact that you know someone obviously does not mean that you agree with everything that person ever did or said. Especially when you SAY you don’t.
Fortunately, in Obama’s case, we don’t NEED to infer his character from cherry-picked “associations.” We can look at his character directly. We can judge for ourselves that he is neither racist nor anti-American.
Of course, some people will interpret these things differently. I guess that is why we have a democracy.

Cryos | Oct 14, 2008 3:12:32 PM …. And you forgot to mention Bush took over in a recession.

That man doesn’t even know how many homes he has! :)
He can’t talk about ANYONE not being forthcoming to the American public.
Yeah, Cindy. Count your homes, while people are losing theirs.

jock59801 | Oct 14, 2008 3:13:45 PM It is, indeed, your right to ignore all of the people Obama associated with and Obama’s lies about not knowing them

Judge a man by his character, not by the color of his skin. MLK
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McCain and Palin have their own list of people and organizations that could be used relentlessly against them, but they are not. Gordon Liddy, ties to Iran-Contra, AIP, McCain’s own ties to ACORN and the Annenberg Challenge, Keating 5, Abramhoff, Graham, Ted Stevens, VECO, personal affairs, McCain ditching his first wife, Hagee, Palin’s pastor, Troopergate. Wasilla Hockey Rink and those are the ones off the top of my head.

Palin says the report that found she violated state ethics laws didn’t find any violations. WHAT???? She could legitimately argue the findings were wrong; instead she chose to blatantly lie about something so easily verified. This is very strange. Now, even the investigation she initiated isn’t looking good for her and is being expanded into other abuses of power since Palin became governor. For the first time in history we actually have both the presidential and vice-presidential candidate from the same party officially found to be in violation of government ethics while serving in government positions. The Republican ticket in this election most certainly does NOT have the upper hand for ethics in government.

Other Way | Oct 14, 2008 3:18:05 PM:………..The inventor of the internet’ was significantly ahead in the polls, but lost to Bush.

Great, then Obama can slam dunk the whole Ayers thing and put it to rest on national television forever. Thanks McCain for once again helping the Obama campaign get even closer to the White House. The nation owes you a debt of gratitude. ;-)
Obama/Biden 08

We can sit here and debate who is going to be our next president all day but if America was built by We The People, why is it that we are being so petty about a person’s association? There is none of us on this Blog that has not done anything wrong. none of us is perfect. Never Judge a book by it’s cover.
m@chiavelli: you need to do more research instead of cutting and pasting. for you to paste that in your this blog suggest that you really are like John McCain, out of touch. Obama never denied not knowing Ayers. my question for you and anyone else for that matter is, for the years that William Ayers has been a Professor, why haven’t anyone try to get him removed from the college? Up until this point, none of us even knew about Bill Ayers and even for those that did, you did not do a thing about it!!! I guess that all of those parents that sent there children to the University of Illinois at Chicago were brainwashed and students that has graduated from there were brainwashed and the president of the university and staff was brainwashed and the Mayor that gave him “Citizen of the Year” award was brainwashed by him as well. I also bet that no one understood what he was protesting about? look it up. you may be surprised.
Let’s stick to what is most important to Americans right now. our Economy. i think it’s time that we focus on how to fix America instead of tearing it down.

At Palin’s rally today, once again another Palin supporter shouted “Kill Him” when Palin was mentioning Obama’s name.
McCain promised he and Palin would not allow this. Why doesn’t Palin point these individuals out to the Secret Service?

deanbob – I did read it.
The most significant part is the sentence that reads
“The big problem with McCain seems to be that he is just stupid “

Posted by: deanbob | Oct 14, 2008 3:00:21 PM
m@chiavelli….. What was it the Spreme Court did?
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Handed Bush the election in 2000.
The December 12, 2000 (7-2) United States Supreme Court decision stating that the Florida Supreme Court’s plan for recounting ballots was unconstitutional, and the 5-4 United States Supreme Court decision that ended the Florida recounts allowing Florida to certify its vote effectively “selected” G.W. Bush as the winner of the 2000 presidential election.
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Popular Vote in 2000 Presidential Election:
Count Percentage
Bush: 50,456,002 47.87%
Gore: 50,999,897 48.38%
Note: If all votes where the intent of the voter was clear, had been counted in Florida, Gore won the election.
See NORC Florida Ballot Project:
See: http://www2.norc.org/fl/articles.asp

“Go ahead…take the bait Johnny boy. Then our candidate will clobber you with Keating 5.
OBAMA-BIDEN 2008
Posted by: Nov 4 Revolution”
Actually maybe republicans should like Keating 5. It showed McCain was cleared of any wrongdoing but that 3 DEMOCRAT SENATORS WERE RESPONSIBLE FOR CONTRIBUTING TO THE SAVINGS AND LOAN SCANDAL.
Hmmm kind of like now. We have Barney and Dodd pushing back on Fannie/Freddie regulation while getting contributions and then the economy crashes. Yay for corrupt democratic lawmakers ruining the economy again.

Hey, I have a question: What should we call all the pilots who actually brought back their planes safely and in one piece to their aircraft carriers and avoided to be taken prisoners of war after bombing Hanoi in 1967, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72? Should we call them Cowards?
Hey Emanuel, I’ve got an answer-
You’d call them heroes as well, idiot. Your logic is flawed and stupid. If you didn’t bring your plane back, you’re not a hero? Even a moron should at least appreciate someone who fought for his country. Vote for who you will, but find another line of attack and don’t spit on our veterans, particularly those who lost their lives.

Ayers, Wright, birth cerificate, ACORN, – these are tired out non-issue smears – the death throes of a dying campaign – Keep it up you right wing nuts – it is reassuring.

McCain did this all by himself!!! I would nvr vote for a president who does so much mud throwing with no real merit. That totally gave me a new perspective on this John McChicken guy!!! He needs to look into his own closet first, and his due gooder wife! He made the biggest mistake by having Palin run with him!! Im sorry, but when McChicken dies, I surely dont want a Hockey mom running this country..are you kidding me??? You govern, what 35 people in Alaska..Give me a break!!!!! I am done…November 4 cant get here soon enough!!! McChicken has no leg to stand on! Oh, did he loose that when he was in the war and we owe him that too now??????????? Not even close!My grandfather was in the war and was shot and got a Purple Heart. Dont see him running for president because he was in the war and we owe it to him.

jefflz | Oct 14, 2008 3:28:24 PM:…… That’s not the way Martin Luther King believed (character is critical).

Itchy | Oct 14, 2008 3:29:51 PM Is crap and boring = the TRUTH ???

Republicans, especially, McCain and Palin, does this mean anything to you: hook, line, sinker?
(in the Mr Rodgers voice) can you say, Gotcha? i knew that you could.

It’s interesting that McCain turned Obamna’s comment of “being surprised that he wasn’t willing to say it to my face” into “he said I didn’t have the guts to bring it up.” Obama’s comment is even-toned, McCain’s is inflammatory…kind of like the two men.
midwest3

McCain are really wanting to go into that arena? You have been involved with ACORN yourself and in regards to Ayers-you are associated with Ayers in a 3rd line level. One of your supporters who donated $150,000 to you is on that particular board.
Talk about what is important-the economy-
Don’t go for that small man syndrome again-it is very appaulling-

very interesting, Obama releases his economic recovery plan and the stock market soars more than it ever has. McCain releases his and what happens, the market sinks again.
Never again allow the house-of-cards republi-congame anywhere near the money.

Change, Yeah right. | Oct 14, 2008 3:33:15 PM I can see a 3rd party in 2012. Don’t you think any attempt now is a ‘wasted vote’?

“McCain and republicans should hit “the keating five” issue head on. I’ll laugh if Obama pulls that on McCain in the debate and he answers “if you remember I was found innocent and the people found guilty were 3 democrats.” I’d like to hear Obama’s retort to that.
The other 4 involved were all democrats and only McCain and 1 of the democrats were found free of wrongdoing. The S&L problems were tied to 3 democratic lawmakers. Like my last post yay for democratic senators repeatedly ruining the economy.”
To add to my quote that would make a great transition into the current economic problems.
McCain: Talk about Ayers and Obama’s dishonest answers.
Obama: Your involvement in the Keating 5 scandal.
McCain: I was found free of wrongdoing in the keating 5. If you remember the guilty parties were 3 democrats. Speaking of isn’t it true since 2003 democrats who were receiving large contributions from Fannie/Freddie were fighting against regulation of the agencies and the lack of accountability of these agencies largely caused these economic issues? Why is it we have a history of democrats being paid off in relation to housing and banking scandals?

Frenche: Beautifully said! Bravo!

Ha Ha
Do you think that the Republicans who were on the Annenberg Challenge believe the schools should advocate a leftist “social justice” ideology?

“George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine. ”
WHAT??? The first six years we’ve be LIED! The national debt was increasing astronomically, there were no government programs to help employment except injecting money like crazy in the war and in the housing bubble. Bush did nothing, just war, and when his approval ratings went down, bam! another terrorist threat magically appeared. And all along washington kept deregulating the market, they approved banks to borrow over 40 times their capital, is like giving a subprime loan to a bank. These banks are the ones that failed. So much idiocy out there, trying to blame democrats for failures that were clearly republican.

depblkman | Oct 14, 2008 3:21:11 PM So, by whoever is in office allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, will that be a tax increase? And what are the likely effects of that?
Posted by: deanbob | Oct 14, 2008 3:24:58 PM
We both know the answer to that. taxes will go up but i believe that however gets into the white house should look over that bill again. it’s not a bad tax plan at all. it just need some tweaking.

I am voting for Barack Obama because I agree with him most of the time, and do not McCain.
I am voting for Obama because he is the first candidate in a long time who seems to talk to us like we are intelligent adults.
Because every issue I have heard him speak about, I have been impressed with his knowledge of the complexities and balances involved.
He is also one of the most eloquent speakers and writers we have had as a candidate for awhile. A very refreshing change.
I am voting for Barack Obama because he has shown an understanding of the need to return fairness and justice to America and the world. We have been waiting for such a candidate for a very long time, and were starting to despair of it.
The craving for real change is much deeper than people seem to realize. It will not be denied.

So would any Obama supporters care to elaborate on Keating 5?
That seems to be such a hot button issue why don’t you do some research and post which political party was found guilty? AH when you go beyond the talking point it doesn’t suddenly sound like such a good idea does it.

deanbob – That’s what you call indoctrination.
They are not educated to think for themselves or research with an open minds. They are closed, and only are taught radical hatred and psychological warfare of liberal/socialist views.
If you notice, just like you said, they don’t care about the truth. They only reverberate their professors ideology. Their brains are flat-lined!

Manipulate ?
FYI ALL politicians manipulate…

TJ, THE CLINTONITE: Continuing with the second part of my post:
Insofar as the ACORN voter registration drive is concerned you obviously have a very poor understanding of how the process works. It is NOT the duty or responsibility of those who collect new voter registrations to check the legal status of each signature as they do not have either the time or the means to do so. That is the job of the RESISTRAR OF VOTERS. Also, in order for they to be a valid case of voter fraud someone must ACTUALLY HAVE VOTED USING ANOTHER NAME and since the election has not yet happened there is no voter fraud. Since you REPUBLICANS have used this trick in 2000 and agian in 2004 I should think you know the procedure very well! ENOUGH SAID!!!!!

“Anyone who supports Obama is in denial and can’t see beyond all of the superficial hoopla. There are so many things like the Ayers connection that they don’t want to see or hear about. They follow Obama in blissful ignorance.
So very sad…” by Carrie
Carrie: I support Obama. I’m not in denial about one single issue. What’s sad is a once honorable and decent man, McCain, has resorted to low mud slinging tactics. What? Can he not just debate that he’s better fit for the job? Polls are showing that he is…go back in your hole and watch FoxNoise some more ;)

Cryos: I’ll bite. (almost like playing chess) this is from wikipedia.com. (and after this, try not to say that Obama and the democrats run this site too):
McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating.[42][43] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[35] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[44] In addition, McCain’s wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating’s expense, sometimes aboard Keating’s jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][45] In 1989 Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick opined that McCain was the “most reprehensible” of the five senators.
here is the link if you want to study it more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_5#Relationships_of_senators_to_Keating
John McCain and Sarah Palin has Ethics issues that has been well known and documented. Now, find me anything that shows where Obama has been brought up on Ethics charges? Betcha you can’t.

Watch Obama defend himself on this and then turn it around and confront McCain on Savings and Loan Issue and tie it to the economical situation today. Cannot wait to watch that.

The polls are controlled by the media, which is mainly Democratic…they don’t mean anything.
Obama has resorted to mudslinging too unless you have not taken off the blinders and looked.

I hope McCain is dumb enough to bring this up
Obama will then proceed to trash him
on keating 5
on VFW
on rabble Nazi rousing at his rallies
on Phil Gramm-IRS investigation of tax loop holes
on the war in Iraq-et al

THE O JESSE KNOWS
JACKSON ON OBAMA’S AMERICA
PREPARE for a new America: That’s the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.
He promised “fundamental changes” in US foreign policy – saying America must “heal wounds” it has caused to other nations, revive its alliances and apologize for the “arrogance of the Bush administration.”
The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end.
Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.
“Obama is about change,” Jackson told me in a wide-ranging conversation. “And the change that Obama promises is not limited to what we do in America itself. It is a change of the way America looks at the world and its place in it.”
Jackson warns that he isn’t an Obama confidant or adviser, “just a supporter.” But he adds that Obama has been “a neighbor or, better still, a member of the family.” Jackson’s son has been a close friend of Obama for years, and Jackson’s daughter went to school with Obama’s wife Michelle.
“We helped him start his career,” says Jackson. “And then we were always there to help him move ahead. He is the continuation of our struggle for justice not only for the black people but also for all those who have been wronged.”
Will Obama’s election close the chapter of black grievances linked to memories of slavery? The reverend takes a deep breath and waits a long time before responding.
“No, that chapter won’t be closed,” he says. “However, Obama’s victory will be a huge step in the direction we have wanted America to take for decades.”
Jackson rejects any suggestion that Obama was influenced by Marxist ideas in his youth. “I see no evidence of that,” he says. “Obama’s thirst for justice and equality is rooted in his black culture.”
But is Obama – who’s not a descendant of slaves – truly a typical American black?
Jackson emphatically answers yes: “You don’t need to be a descendant of slaves to experience the oppression, the suffocating injustice and the ugly racism that exists in our society,” he says. “Obama experienced the same environment as all American blacks did. It was nonsense to suggest that he was somehow not black enough to feel the pain.”
Is Jackson worried about the “Bradley effect” – that people may be telling pollsters they favor the black candidate, but won’t end up voting for him?
I don’t think this is how things will turn out,” he says. “We have a collapsing economy and a war that we have lost in Iraq. In Afghanistan, we face a resurgent Taliban. New threats are looming in Pakistan. Our liberties have been trampled under feet . . . Today, most Americans want change, and know that only Barack can deliver what they want. Young Americans are especially determined to make sure that Obama wins.”
He sees a broad public loss of confidence in the nation’s institutions: “We have lost confidence in our president, our Congress, our banking system, our Wall Street and our legal system to protect our individual freedoms. . . I don’t see how we could regain confidence in all those institutions without a radical change of direction.”
Jackson declines to be more concrete about possible policy changes. After all, he insists, he isn’t part of Obama’s policy team. Yet he clearly hopes that his views, reflecting the position of many Democrats, would be reflected in the policies of an Obama administration.
On the economic front, he hopes for “major changes in our trading policy.”
“We cannot continue with the open-door policy,” he says. “We need to protect our manufacturing industry against unfair competition that destroys American jobs and creates ill-paid jobs abroad.”
Would that mean an abrogation of the NAFTA treaty with Canada and Mexico?
Jackson dismisses the question as “premature”: “We could do a great deal without such dramatic action.”
His most surprising position concerns Iraq. He passionately denounces the toppling of Saddam Hussein as “an illegal and unjust act.” But he’s now sure that the United States “will have to remain in Iraq for a very long time.”
What of Obama’s promise to withdraw by 2010? Jackson believes that position will have to evolve, reflecting “realities on the ground.”
“We should work with our allies in Iraq to consolidate democratic institutions there,” he says. “We must help the people of Iraq decide and shape their future in accordance with their own culture and faith.”
On Iran, he strongly supports Obama’s idea of opening a direct dialogue with the leadership in Tehran. “We’ve got to talk to tell them what we want and hear what they want,” Jackson says. “Nothing is gained by not talking to others.”
Would that mean ignoring the four UN Security Council resolutions that demand an end to Iran’s uranium-enrichment program? Jackson says direct talks wouldn’t start without preparations.
“Barack wants an aggressive and dynamic diplomacy,” he says. “He also wants adequate preparatory work. We must enter the talks after the ground has been prepared,” he says.
Jackson is especially critical of President Bush’s approach to the Israel-Palestine conflict.
“Bush was so afraid of a snafu and of upsetting Israel that he gave the whole thing a miss,” Jackson says. “Barack will change that,” because, as long as the Palestinians haven’t seen justice, the Middle East will “remain a source of danger to us all.”
“Barack is determined to repair our relations with the world of Islam and Muslims,” Jackson says. “Thanks to his background and ecumenical approach, he knows how Muslims feel while remaining committed to his own faith.”

McCain is a flip flopper. One day he says one thing the next day something else. McCain reacts but does not think it through so if the question about Ayer is not asked he will not react to it.

TJ, THE CLINTONITE: One final point. For nearly 10 years we had a gentelman living in a rented room in our house. He passed away back in 2005 for liver cancer. Despite the fact I have reported his death to our REGISTRAR OF VOTERS we STILL CONTINUE RECEIVE OFFICIAL MAIL BALLOTS FOR HIM AT EVERY ELECTION. What this proves is that once you are on the rolls of voters it is NOT SO VERY EASY TO GET THE NAME REMOVED! Of course we alway destroy the ballots because if anyone did try to use them it would be a valid case of voter fraud! Now, plese tell me WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAVE CALLED THE REGISTRAR OF VOTERS SEVERAL TIMES AND REPORTED THIS INDIVIDUAL AS DEAD!!!

Depblkman interesting how you cherry picked your facts from someones opinion and failed to mention the facts that McCain and a democrat were found not guilty but 3 democrats were.
McCains personal relationship with Keating didn’t extend to trying to interfere with investigations. McCain knew where to draw the line.

Nail in the coffin:
McCain Transition Chief Aided Saddam In Lobbying Effort
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein’s government.
During the same period beginning in 1992, Timmons worked closely with the two lobbyists, Samir Vincent and Tongsun Park, on a previously unreported prospective deal with the Iraqis in which they hoped to be awarded a contract to purchase and resell Iraqi oil. Timmons, Vincent, and Park stood to share at least $45 million if the business deal went through.
Timmons’ activities occurred in the years following the first Gulf War, when Washington considered Iraq to be a rogue enemy state and a sponsor of terrorism. His dealings on behalf of the deceased Iraqi leader stand in stark contrast to the views his current employer held at the time.
John McCain strongly supported the 1991 military action against Iraq, and as recently as Sunday described Saddam Hussein as a one-time menace to the region who had “stated categorically that he would acquire weapons of mass destruction, and he would use them wherever he could

This just speaks to McCain’s inability to use reason and separate himself from emotional responses. How will this play out when he’s in office?
Putin: “McCain would never have the guts to deploy nuclear weapons against us.”
McCain: “You know, I was astonished to hear him say that I don’t have the guts to do that. Because the fact is–you know–I think he’s probably ensured that I will.”
Bye, bye planet!!!

i think i need to repost this again for Cryos. this is McCain’s hand in the Keating 5 scandal:
McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the only one of the five with close social and personal ties to Keating.[42][43] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[35] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[44] In addition, McCain’s wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating’s expense, sometimes aboard Keating’s jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][45] In 1989 Phoenix New Times writer Tom Fitzpatrick opined that McCain was the “most reprehensible” of the five senators.
here is the link if you want to study it more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_5#Relationships_of_senators_to_Keating
BTW: has McCain gave any of the 112,000 back to Keating yet? hmmmmm…..

Obama is a jackass, as so is every close minded, liberal fool that backs him. Then again, most of them don’t have jobs, or if they do, they are minimum wage jobs, so naturally they would support someone like Obama who wants to distribute the income from those who do work and bust their ass, to those who don’t.

Will John McCain open up a can of worms like that with the KEATING 5 over his head and SARAH PALIN being found GUILTY of ABUSING HER POWER as GOVERNOR…Not to smart and idea…

“Obama the magic negro is going to prison.
I’m Tony Rezko and I approve this message.”
What a LOWLIFE…you needed a new name for that post, didn’t you? Coward.

McCain and a democrat were found not guilty but 3 democrats were.
Posted by: Cryos | Oct 14, 2008 4:07:15 PM
1. McCain was NOT found to be “not guilty”. He was said by the Senate to guilty of having ‘BAD JUDGEMENT”.
2. None of the others are in the Congress now.
None of the others are candidate for president.
Palin was not found to be not guilty in the investigation. She was GUILTY OF ABUSE OF POWER TO ADVANCE A PERSONAL AGENDA, and of requiring EMPLOYEES TO BREAK A STATUTE.
She was NOT guilty of firing the commissioner illegally, because he was a direct report.
The trooper was not a direct report and her interference was said by the Republicans in the committee to be abuse of power for the purpose of advancing a personal agenda.
She is also being sued for using Yahoo to do state business. We have not heard the end of that one, and she made her employees break the law on that one.

You can draw plenty of rational inferences from Stanley’s rich work. But for a clear statement of Ayers’s frightening vision, I submit that his November 2006 speech at the World Education Forum should be required reading.
As Cornerites know, I’ve been arguing that our emphasis on Ayers’s prior terrorism, while highly relevant, is not the essential point. The real issue is Ayers’s revolutionary leftism (at around the time Ayers and Obama began working on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, by the way, Ayers described himself as “a radical, Leftist, small ‘c’ communist”).
Obama is clearly lying when he claims ignorance about Ayers’s terrorism, but even if you wanted to pretend otherwise, it is impossible that he was in the dark about Ayers’s revolutionary leftism: Ayers has never made a secret of it and can’t seem to help himself from mentioning it about every 30 seconds. Obama not only knew about Ayers’s views in this regard; he obviously subscribed to them: was a member of the Chicago New Party begun by the Democratic Socialists of America; he worked closely with Ayers on “education reform” for years, he approved of Ayers’s similarly fringe-Left views of the criminal justice system’s treatment of juvenile crime, and, we are learning; and he was tightly aligned with ACORN, which he and Ayers funded and whose practices fit comfortably with the Ayers view of “participatory democracy”).
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He goes on to excerpt remarks Ayers made in Venezuela two years ago on his education agenda. It is clear from their work together that there must have been some agreement on that agenda when they were passing out money to promote it. It is strange how uncurious the media is about that agenda. A good question for the next debate is asking Obama if he can assure us that he will not adopt or push the Ayers education agenda if elected.

depblkman | Oct 14, 2008 4:09:41 PM If there was a problem, wouldn’t the special prosecutor have said so. Instead, he only said McCain may have used poor judgment.

TO ALL MY FRIENDS….LIBERAL OR ……CONSERVATIVE……..Something to think about.
George Bush has been in office for 7 1/2 years. The first six the economy was fine. A little over one year ago:
1) Consumer confidence stood at a 2 1/2 year high;
2) Regular gasoline sold for $2.19 a gallon;
3) the unemployment rate was 4.5%.
4) the DOW JONES hit a record high–14,000 +
5) American’s were buying new cars, taking cruises, vacations overseas, living large!…
But American’s wanted ‘CHANGE’! So, in 2006 they voted in a Democratic Congress and yes–we got ‘CHANGE’ all right. In the PAST YEAR:
1) Consumer confidence has plummeted ;
2) Gasoline is now over $4 a gallon & climbing!;
3) Unemployment is up to 5.5% (a 10% increase);
4) Americans have seen their home equity drop by $12 TRILLION DOLLARS and prices still dropping;
5) 1% of American homes are in foreclosure.
6) as I write, THE DOW is probing another low~~$2.5 TRILLION DOLLARS HAS EVAPORATED FROM THEIR STOCKS, BONDS & MUTUAL FUNDS INVESTMENT PORTFOLIOS!
YES, IN 2006 AMERICA VOTED FOR CHANGE…AND WE SURE GOT IT! ….
REMEMBER THE PRESIDENT HAS NO CONTROL OVER ANY OF THESE ISSUES, ONLY CONGRESS. AND WHAT HAS CONGRESS DONE IN THE LAST TWO YEARS, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
NOW THE DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE FOR PRESIDENT CLAIMS HE IS GOING TO REALLY GIVE US CHANGE ALONG WITH A DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS!!!! JUST HOW MUCH MORE ‘CHANGE’ DO YO U THINK YOU CAN STAND?

Obama the magic negro is going to prison.
I’m Tony Rezko, and I approve this message.

Depblkman interesting how you cherry picked your facts from someones opinion and failed to mention the facts that McCain and a democrat were found not guilty but 3 democrats were.
McCains personal relationship with Keating didn’t extend to trying to interfere with investigations. McCain knew where to draw the line.
Posted by: Cryos | Oct 14, 2008 4:07:15 PM
What you are failing to realize is that John McCain knew what Keating was doing. you’re right in saying that he didn’t do anything wrong however just like Sarah Palin, he turned a blind eye to the wrong.
the best example i can give you is when you see something wrong, do you turn a blind eye to it or do you do something about it?
BTW: McCain still has not given back the $112,000.

More amazing connections to groups the U.S. found to be terrorist can be found here: Those who believe Saddam’s oil for food program was corrupt need to read McCain’s courageous words.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

I agree with Ha Ha on the debate question to Obama.
A good question for Mcain should be ..How can he assure amercians that the central war on terror is Iraq rather than Afghanistan/pakistan where Bin laden lives and religious fundamentalism are taught out of Madarsas in almost every nook and corner of the country?

As an added note I find it really funny how my use of Keating 5 shut the majority of people up about it.
The personal nature of McCains association I don’t think is the most forthright either, but I’m getting a kick out of using Obamalogic against the same people who employ it and watching them falter.

don’t know what’s more scary, the cover up by the MSM for Obama, or his brainwashed Nazi Youth supporters like Bethb, who typically respond to any questioning of their Messiah with an angry barrage of hate filled insults.
Guess what Obots, your candidate was never vetted at all and has run the most corrupt campaign in history.
Better get used to people like Natasha, and millions of others who will only make sure to find out about Obama especially if he does steal the Presidency.
get used to it. He will never escape the upcoming scrutiny.

There is more to meet the eye with this Bill Ayers connection with Obama that amazed me it hasn’t been exploited yet by the McCain Campaign.
Ayers and his adoptive son Rhodes scholar Chesa Boudin (he was adopted since his mother Kathy Boudin, another Weather Underground criminal is in jail for life) are key advisors of none other than… tah dah! HUGO CHAVEZ and spend a long time both in Venezuela and Cuba. This is the people who will ALSO be advisors of that black empty suit if wins the presidency of the US of A.

Obama is a fraud, and his wife needs therapy, she has an inferiority complex. They both are racists. What more do we need to know? We don’t have time to find out right now. NOBAMA 08

Ayers is an advisor for the Republican Annenberg, not Obama.

McCain didn’t look Obama in the eye, well I wouldn’t either.
He was an ugly, angry gay halloween monster.
Who did his makeup? They should be fired! He was dark and sinister, those damn eyebrows and scowls.
He just lost all the old folks vote.
scary as hell!
yeah blobama looked like a black version of Gollum the evil one!
Then again Obama looked like a gay monster in drag with all of that makeup.
Scary … and it’s not even Halloween!

jock59801 | Oct 14, 2008 3:20:25 PM It is amazing how ignorant people can be. I can say I am Obama. Does that make it true? Only if you really want it to be. I am a foolish old man who learned in the Navy to believe none of what I hear and Half of what I see.

JASON: Let me get this straight. You are saying everything was just great under Cowboy Bush first 7 years and that the economic problems we are facing today was because of the Democratic congress as it has done absolutely nothing over the last two years? FOR YOUR INFORMAITON HERE IS THE TRUTH:
Once again I cannot believe how you Republicans love to lie, twist, deflect and distort the true facts! I am 100% certain you know and understand very well that the Democratic victory in 2006 gave the Democrats only a VERY SLIGHT majority in the House and a 1 VOTE MAJORITY in the Senate! Without significant support from responsible Republicans the Democrats CANNOT get the 2/3 majority needed to pass bills. Even if the House passes Democratic legislation it is rejected in the Senate and therefore cannot be approved! If the Democrats sponsor a bill EVERY republican comes out immediately against it! So far this current session of congress Republicans has Filibustered OVER 80 pieces of legislation sponsored by the Democrats. Also, I am very sure you understand that when the Republicans have total control of congress over the first 6 years of Cowboy Bush’s term THEY REFUSED TO ALLOW THE DEMOCRATS ANY VOICE IN CONGRESS! Not only do we need to elect Obama-Biden in November, but also KICK OUT EVERY REPUBLICAN OBSTRUCTIONIST AND ELECT DEMOCRATS WHO WILL WORK TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION OF OUR COUNTRY AND RESTORE TRUE AMERICAN VALUES ONCE AGAIN! You many not like it, but this election we are seeing through all of your Republican lies and distortion! GO TEAM OBAMA-BIDEN!!!!!!

bizzy | Oct 14, 2008 4:28:08 PM Can you stick to the facts or questions?

Wow. The racism seems to be a little more out in the open, now that the racists are so desperate.
“dark and sinister!?”

McCain boxed himself into a corner by trying to defend his ego. why would you want to go down this road? Obama would just throw keating and william timmons back at him

pam: it is people like you who keep fanning the flames of racism. just when we thought that we can step on the smoldering ashes, here you come making wildfires.

MY WIFEY WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY, SHE WOULD ONLY BE PROUD OF AMERICA IF GOOD OLE BUCKY WAS ELECTED PREZ. NOW DON’T BOTHER ME ASKING ABOUT ISSUES ANYMORE. (yes but mister president, it’s time for the State of the Union Address). WELL, JUST RUN THAT HOPE AND CHANGE CAMPAIGN SPEECH BY THOSE SUCKERS AGAIN.

depblkman, why don’t you quit blaming whitey, and get off your lazy black ass and get out of your mom’s basement and get a job?
maybe start at McDonalds.

McCain should remember that Obama not only is intelligent, but he is much more adroit than McCain will ever be. If he dares to bring up Ayers to his face, I honestly believe Obama will chew him up and spit him out.
It’s a trap man, don’t do it!
Obama ’08

Posted by: Illegal ACORN Voters = Illegal Votes | Oct 14, 2008 3:59:58 PM
Surprise! Illegal ACORN registrations do, in fact, lead to illegal ACORN ballots! From the NY Post:
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You conveniently cut off the article precisely where it becomes interesting…
Here’s the rest of the article, beginning where you left off:
“Board official Jane Platten said, “He came in on 9/30 and Mr. Nash again registered to vote at [someone else's] address, and he cast a ballot.”
Officials also said that around 5 percent, or 3,650, of the 73,000 total registration cards turned in by ACORN in the Cleveland area from its Project Vote initiative to sign up low-income voters were questionable.
Platten said there were “egregarious acts of registering multiple times. The extend of it is beyond the resources of this board.”
A spokesman for prosecutor Bill Masson said that Nash’s case and three others were turned over to authorities yesterday. “We will consider presenting it to a grand jury,” said the spokesman.
PLATTEN INSISTED THAT ACORN OFFICIALS HAVE OFFERED “ANY AND ALL” HELP in investigating the questionable activities.
Ohio state director of ACORN, Katy Gall, said that her group has fired anyone found soliciting duplicate registrations.
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So, according to the article, ACORN is ITSELF THE VICTIM, not the perpetrator of this voter fraud. Moreover, it is doing everything in its power to help election board officials to track down those 5% of voter registrations that are fraudulent.
NOTE:
1. ACORN is not itself creating the fraudulent registrations, this is being done by individuals.
2. As should be evident to anyone, ACORN DOES NOT certify voter registrations.

The photo of Ayers standing on the American flag, hands in pockets, a look of absolute superiority on his face, was first published in Chicago Magazine in August of 2001 and the accompanying piece was just short of being a tribute to a man who had once planted bombs to kill his fellow Americans.
I’d like to point out something about that picture.
Note the setting. Ayers is bravely standing on the flag, haughty, smug, a man obviously convinced that he is just…..better. And he’s doing it in a tiny, closed, isolated alley.
He isn’t on the street, he’s not doing it on the steps of the local government or in a busy parking lot. He’s doing it in a tiny alley that doesn’t even appear to have windows that are open from the surrounding buildings. Nice gesture, standing on the flag. But…..if you’re that convinced of your righteous place in the political cosmos, why not do it in public instead of in that dank, weedy alley?
It’s just my opinion, of course, and I’m sure he and the photographer can come up with all sorts of artistic reasons the photo was taken there, but this isn’t the act of the brave radical.
It’s an act of craven cowardice.
Ayers and his ilk lurk in shadow, throwing their bombs both literal and figurative from the safety of the dark. And in this case, from the safety of a grimy little alley. There’s no courage here, no conviction, no spine. There’s just a little alley dweller showing us what he’s really, really all about.
So…..don’t get angry at slimy little alley dwellers like Ayers. Anger is an emotion that he doesn’t rate. Just look at him and understand what he is – and isn’t. The disgust and disdain we reserve for other vermin is more fitting in his case.
The photo says it all, if you really think about it.

You know, I will be so glad when this election is over. I am still amazed that so many people could vote for George Bush – twice, and then turn around this year and decide that Obama is the right person for the job!
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I didn’t vote for Bush. I realized early on that Republicans were pushing a moron onto center stage. The last eight years confirm that. I am voting for Obama. If George W. were only half as smart we’d have been better off. And McCain….his temperment is risky and I don’t think he is a whole lot smarter than GW either…As for Palin….she makes GW look like a genius…

JACKSON ON OBAMA’S AMERICA
PREPARE for a new America: That’s the message that the Rev. Jesse Jackson conveyed to participants in the first World Policy Forum, held at this French lakeside resort last week.
He promised “fundamental changes” in US foreign policy -
The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would end.
Jackson believes that, although “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” remain strong, they’ll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.
READ FULL STORY
http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_o_jesse_knows_133450.htm?page=0

This is just BS…you’re pawns with sh** for brains

Go ahead. Bring it up. Show the US what we already know – you have nothing new to say, so you’ll dredge up a non-issue to try to throw a smoke screen. You can fool some of the people, some of the time, but you aren’t fooling any that I know. Pathetic.

“‘DAMN IT, WILL YOU TELL THEM TO WAIT A MINUTE? I NEED TO FINISH MY SMOKE IN THIS HEAR BATHROOM IN THE WHITEYHOUSE, I’LL BE RIGHT UP THERE FOR THAT MEETING IN A MINUTE! OH TELL MY KIDS TO QUIT SWINGING FROM THE CHANDELIERS TOO! AND DON’T LET ANYONE IN THE LINCOLN BEDROOM, WE ARE HAVING A CRACK PARTY AND GAY SEX!”
yep, and then we’ve got his kids swinging on the chandeliers in the White House, while he’s doing coke and sneaking cigs in the bathroom before a meeting. And the revival of affirmitive action, slave reparations and all kinds of horrors.

OBama will win this electon. God Willing.
Has anyone seen that precher in a mccain rally taking about other peoples religons and gods. what is that about. I that gets some tracktion.

For those who resort to filling the blogspots with vulgarities a friendly reminder..Mainstream Media and media watch division of FBI can track who does what.Hope you abide by the rules and regulations.

Obama is the anti-Christ

If I were McCain I would be a little more concerned about the connections of the lobbyist I appointed to head my transition team than Obama and Ayers.
Apparently, according to the Huffington Post, Mr. Timmons of the McCain campaign seems to be connected to Saddam Hussein. You know, the one with the last name Hussein.

m@chiavelli | Oct 14, 2008 4:39:42 PM:………Over 30,000 Felons Registered in Florida
October 13, 2008 More than 30,000 Florida felons who by law should have been stripped of their right to vote remain registered to cast ballots in this presidential battleground state, a Sun Sentinel investigation has found.
Many are faithful voters, with at least 4,900 turning out in past elections

Dan, Palin is a Maverick!! Obviously, she doesn’t give 2 $hits about being politically correct in pointing out anti-NObama hecklers.

Breaking News ….
Barack Obama begins airing Keating Economics TV ad Oct 15, 2008. The ad will appear in all battleground states and is expected to run for the remaining twenty days.
Obama’s staff has also increasedweb hosting capacity at http://www.KeatingEconomics.com. An anonymous staff member reports that Obama will direct viewers to the site during tomorrow night’s debate.

can’t wait for the riots by the Obamabot zombies when he loses!
bring ‘em!
whack ‘em and stack ‘em!

tam: I understand. let me do the disclaimer for you. the views and expressions of TAM does not reflect any mental thought or stability. please ignore for the sanity of others in this blog. thank you.

You guys remember that movie, “A Few Good Men?”
Remember in the end when Tom cruises’ character got Jack Nicholson’s character all riled up to the point where he completely lost his mind and spouted off things he didn’t really want or mean to say?
I CAN’T WAIT for McCain to take the bait from Obama and go down just like good old Col. Nathan R. Jessep (Nicholson) did in this movie.

Sock Obama with Saul Alinsy and ACORN as well as Ayers:
Saul Alinsky,a Marxist grassroots organizer and strategist for anti-establishment ’60s radicals and revolutionaries, is the very guy Obama said he learned the most from.
This is the same guy Chavez used as his model and strategy for Marxist revolution!
And, Alinsky said, “The first radical known to man who rebelled against the establishment did it so effectively that he at least won his own kingdom was Lucifer.”
Alinsky also said, “The devil challenged authority and got his own kingdom, and that goes to the heart of what the left is really about!”
And, he said, “Get power any way you can, including lying, cheating and stealing.”
Remember, Fannie and Freddie were the catalysts that drew in the Wall Street sharks, then crooked officials cooked the books to get mega-bonuses,and they got away with their crimes by giving $ to mostly Democratic legislators (including Obama).
And, there are just too many ACORNs, Ayers, Khalidis, Pflegers, Wrights, et al. not to suggest a pattern unbecoming of a future President of the United States.
Don’t trust Obama! He will say whatever he thinks you want him to say. He wants the “power” of the USA presidency! :(
I voted for McCain/Palin 08! They are America’s only hope in this election! :)
Google the “Alinsky Method” if you want to get a grip on Obama and ACORN strategies!

If you want to play the guilt by association game, we have the McCain’s Keating Five Scandal and the following Iran Contra Scandal. Do these discussions move the national debate forward? A resounding No!! Ayers is wingnut obsession and nothing more. McCain is losing in virtually every battle ground state because he can’t focus on any meaningful issues. Put a fork in him.
McCain Tied to the Iran Contra Scandal Through a Group Linked to ex-Nazis.
Excerpted From AP: October 7, 2008
“In the 1980s,
McCain served on the advisory board to the U.S. chapter of an international group linked to ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. The U.S. Council for World Freedom aided rebels trying to overthrow the leftist government of Nicaragua. That landed the group in the middle of the Iran-Contra affair and in legal trouble with the Internal Revenue Service, which revoked the charitable organization’s tax exemption. The council created by retired Army Maj. Gen. John Singlaub was the U.S. chapter of the World Anti-Communist League, an international organization linked to former Nazi collaborators and ultra-right-wing death squads in Central America. Singlaub said McCain was a supporter. McCain has said he resigned from the council in 1984 but Singlaub does not recall any McCain resignation in 1984 or May 1986. Nor does Joyce Downey, who oversaw the group’s day-to-day activities.”

Posted by: Ha Ha | Oct 14, 2008 5:08:46 PM
Quote from your post:How many Nation of Islam members will work in an Obama White House?
you have to really be careful about that quote. it can be easily reversed to:
How many Christian Pastors who thinks that McCain’s God is Bigger then Obama’s God, will serve in the white house? (BTW: McCain and Obama serve the same God as most Americans do)

aware2u: you know better then to go there. lets bring up some truths about John McCain and his past, Adulterer, current wife was a drug addict, Keating 5, he was for bush before he was against bush, does the number 90% mean anything to you? you really what “Him” in the White house? you may wanna “stand down”, solider.

aware2u | Oct 14, 2008 5:09:56 PM:……. Most of the OBOTs probably won’t read your post. They have their agenda and that’s it.

who in the world would want to vote for a an anorexic chain smoking drug addict, with a muslim background, a hypocrite who says he is a Christian but belongs to a racist all black church, and very limited experince in politics, a cardboard cutout full of hot air who came from nowhere, that no one heard about until a few months ago? I know who! A bunch of idiots, half the democratic party, just like half of the country that voted for Bush not once but twice!

Why are only dem and repub in debate. My state has more people on the ballot and our media and gov will not invite. Wake up America, no change going to happen w/either. So third party may not win, they should still be invited, some democracy, i mean monopoly.

The notion that people don’t know who I am is a little hard to swallow,” Obama told Gibson on Wednesday, “I’ve been running for president for the last two years. I’ve campaigned in 49 states. Millions of people have heard me speak at length on every topic under the sun. I’ve been involved now in 25 debates, going on my 26th. And I’ve written two books which any — everybody who reads them will say are about as honest a set of reflections by, at least, a politician as are out there”……..you are right Sen Obama, they have been vetting you for 2yrs now, sling the same crap in our face,as if something new will come, why? because they have nothing to offer America but the same ole failed Bush policies, what a shame!
out of it

Ha Ha Is that you Mark?

chuck wrote,
“I also hope he brings up some of the things Obama said in his books, maybe Obama can answer them during the debate
From Dreams of My Father:’I ceased to advertise my mother’s race at the age of 12 or 13, when I began to suspect that by doing so I was ingratiating myself to whites.’
From Dreams of My Father : ‘I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race.’
From Dreams of My Father:’There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.’
From Dreams of My Father: ‘It remained necessary to prove which side you were on, to show your loyalty to the black masses, to strike out and name names.’
From Dreams of My Father:’I never emulate white men and brown men whose fates didn’t speak to my own. It was into my father’s image, the black man, son of Africa , that I’d packed all the attributes I sought in myself , the attributes of Martin and Malcolm, DuBois and Mandela.’
And FINALLY the Most Damning one of ALL of them!!!
From Audacity of Hope:’I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction ”
Chuck, please do yourself the favor of visiting factcheck.org and learning about the truth of this viral email you are regurgitating.
Here is a link about this very thing: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
I thank you in advance for educating yourself on a matter you obviously feel is important.

Keating 5? Do you Obamabots have trouble counting too? It was the Keating 3—3 democrats snagged for ethics violations while McCain was cleared. But hey, facts never stopped the obamabots before. Lie and lie more is their motto.

Ohio Blues,
Nice job cutting and pasting from the Rolling Stones article that also included a caricature of McCain being tortured. Here’s something I cut and pasted for you:
Making Fun of John McCain’s Vietnam Imprisonment?
6/19/2008 3:21:02 AM
Tasteless Illustration of John McCain’s Vietnam Imprisonment
Rolling Stone Illustration by Victor Juhasz
Barack Obama probably won’t condone Matt Taibbi’s upcoming article in Rolling Stone magazine about John McCain’s imprisonment at the Hanoi Hilton, but it does show some facts about Barack Obama’s followers. Obama followers and Obama have no clue what it is to be be patriotic and have a love for their country. Anyone who makes fun of a soldier’s torture yet would be critical of Guantanamo Bay’s imprisonment of Al- Qaeda terrorists really doesn’t get much of anything…other than enjoying their own genius for creating such a despicable article. Can’t you just picture the pompous glee on their faces for having such creative genius and the mutual pats on the back for doing such a perfect job!
Matt Taibbi was, by the way, born in 1970 and spent a great deal of time as a reporter in Russia and China. Victor Juhasz graduated from Parsons School of Design in 1974. McCain returned to the U.S. after five nd half years of solitary confinement and torture in 1973.
Some articles and illustrations are just tasteless, not clever, not creative, not an act of genius, just tasteless and show an utter ignorance of what McCain actually endured during his imprisonment. I don’t think either one of them could have tolerated an hour of what McCain endured for five and half years.

chattyway: it was 5. not 3. math is not your strong point.

Posted by: m@chiavelli | Oct 14, 2008 4:39:42 PM
“PLATTEN INSISTED THAT ACORN OFFICIALS HAVE OFFERED “ANY AND ALL” HELP in investigating the questionable activities.
Ohio state director of ACORN, Katy Gall, said that her group has fired anyone found soliciting duplicate registrations.
So, according to the article, ACORN is ITSELF THE VICTIM, not the perpetrator of this voter fraud.”
ACORN is the Victim?? They are charged with voter registration fraud in a DOZEN states, they get federal grants, their efforts ALWAYS benefit Democrats, Pelosi got caught trying to slip millions in payoffs to ACORN into the bailout bill.
m@chiavelli, you are a Moron! Go back to posting at DailyKos.

Question:
Whats the differnce between the many GOP supporters and the KKK?
Answer:
The KKK is upfront about their racist beliefs.

Blue Star Families for Obama! http://www.bsf4o.com/

Race should not have anything to do with the election so all of you getting all miffed at anyone who says anything about the candidates race should shut the f up.
However…if Obama has any class whatsoever, he would not use the race card. He is 50 % caucasian anyway so why should race matter? He stooped very low to play the race card to get votes.
This perspective from a Pilot is interesting:
Do I have this straight?
Barack Obama’s father was a black African Muslim from Kenya. We have seen pictures of his African family.
His mother was a white American atheist from Kansas. Where are the pictures of his American family?
His father deserted his mother when he was only two years old and went back to Africa by way of Harvard University. How? Was his father wealthy?
His mother married an Indonesian Muslim and then moved to Jakarta, where Barack was enrolled in a Muslim school. When he reached high school age, his mother sent him to Hawaii to be with his white grandparents, and he was put into an expensive private school. He later went to Harvard University. How? Were his grandparents rich?
He lives in a $1.4 million house obtained through a deal with a wealthy fundraiser. How?
He “worked” as a civil rights activist in Chicago. He has never held a productive job or received a pay check that was not government-funded and/or tax payer-supported.
The Presidency is not a civil rights position, nor is it subject to affirmative action set-asides; on-the-job training won’t cut it.
Obama entered politics at the state level and then the national level, where he has minimal experience.
He is proud of his “African heritage” (a father who got a white girl pregnant and deserted her). Where is the pride in his “white heritage”? (a mother who flaunted convention and did not believe in God). Some might think there was not much to be proud of either way.
He belongs, and has belonged for over 20 years, to an Afro-centric church in Chicago that hates whites, hates Jews, and blames America for all the world’s perceived faults (including creating the aids virus in order to inflict it on Africans!). He repeatedly whitewashed the pastor, his church and the members who cheered after hearing vitriolic tirades against America.
He could not confront his pastor, but he wants us to believe he can confront North Korea and Iran!
Yeah, right. . . .
During his very brief time in the United States Senate, Obama has managed to amass the Number One ultra-liberal voting record out of the one hundred members. He has voted consistently for bigger government and higher taxes. He has voted for big entitlements and legislation that would severely curtail America’s ability to fight terrorism and to protect our borders and our national interests around the world.
But, he is a good orator. Isn’t that a comfort?
Yeah, I think I see how well he could unite the country. I think the truth is that he hopes no one will put the pieces together.
“Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to our new chief pilot. He has never flown an airplane. In fact, he has never even sat in the *censored*pit, but he says he has ridden on planes before. We are sure he will guide us safely through the storms we may encounter on this flight.”
People, what are you thinking? Would you get on a plane with this man at the controls?
Have you never heard the story about the wolf hiding in sheep’s clothing so he can destroy them from within? The handwriting is on the wall, so why won’t you open your eyes to see it?
Think long and hard before you vote for Barack Obama! Consider your kids and grandkids because their future is in your voting hands.

More guts than brains, that’s for sure!

Go right ahead – let’s bring this all out into the open and up front where it can be talked about directly. I don’t think Senator Obama will have any difficulty with this at all.

FactCheck | Oct 14, 2008 5:56:42 PM Thank you. I second that motion.

deanbob, the Blue Star Families for Obama website was paid for by BSF4o members. We are real military families supporting Obama. There is no scandal or hidden agenda in our organization. Our goals and views are clearly listed on the website. It feels good to have a voice!

Many of the claims made in these comments have already been found to be false or unsubstantiated. Chain emails continue to spread misinformation and outright lies.
You can find a wealth of information from non-partisan sources if you choose to seek it.

Replace McCain’s Policies With Obama’s and Obama Supporters Still Choose Obama.
These people don’t even know why they are voting for Obama.

Well said Ha Ha !!!!

Posted by: Have another glass of Obama Koolaid | Oct 14, 2008 5:49:20 PM
“m@chiavelli, you are a Moron! Go back to posting at DailyKos.”
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Thanks! You’ve helped earn my second “moron” for the day.
I consider it a point of pride when a Palin groupie calls me a moron. Someone who supports Sarah Palin calls me a moron. LOL!!!
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BTW: I’ve noticed a pattern. McCain/Palin supporters invariably call me a moron after I’ve punctured another one of their many lies, slanders, or convenient delusions by pointing out (and sourcing) some inconvenient fact they don’t want to acknowledge.
In this case, you’re calling me a moron for pointing out that, at least in the article as cited by a McCain/Palin supporter, ACORN was actually the VICTIM of fraud, not the perpetrator.
What the original McCain/Palin supporter who posted only part of the article failed to note was:
“[Election Board Official Jane] PLATTEN INSISTED THAT ACORN OFFICIALS HAVE OFFERED “ANY AND ALL” HELP in investigating the questionable activities.
Ohio state director of ACORN, Katy Gall, said that her group has fired anyone found soliciting duplicate registrations.
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So, pass the Obama “kool-aid”..:-)
At least I can still deal with the real world with a clear mind and clear conscience.
Unlike the McCain/Palin groupies who are apparently drinking “Fool-aid”, and whose entire campaign is based on smears and lies, I don’t have to twist facts or slander the opponent to argue for my candidate
m@chiavelli – the moron ;-)

The last effort of a dying campaign. How pathetic can this old man get. You know Obama is waiting for McShame to bring this up. There won’t be any surprises here, except maybe from McShame.
How will he handle it when it’s thrown back in his face that he can’t keep his word of running a respectable campaign. All a man has is his word, and McShame’s doesn’t mean a damn thing. There has been nothing respectable about McShame’s campaign, just desperation.
President Obama! Get used to it!

I amaze me even more when the McCain supporters talk as if they are the only christian believers or the only true American, if we don’t believe their concepts especially about human life or culture, then you must be unAmerican.

Its funny how McShame americans hate the constitution, and his type of Christians hate the teachings of Jesus.
The Constitution allows for freedoms, and Jesus never started a war, and did what he could to avoid starting one.

McCain is a copycat, from adopting Obama’s ‘CHANGE’ theme to trying to copy economic moves, I think McCain’s next move will be to change his middle name to Hussein in another desparate attempt to emulate Obama. What will the repubs do then?

William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime.
Huh, talk about hanging out with terrorists.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/mccain-transition-chief-a_n_134595.html

what really Astonish me even more is how the American public fall for their deceit and lies.

Americans aren’t falling for their deceit and lies, thats why McShame is behind in the polls and falling fast.

Obama critisized McCain for not saying it to his face but when McCain says he will say it to his face Obama says he is distracting from the economy.

The general voting public are fools. They pick one side and root for it with all the fervor of a crowded stadium cheering on their favorite sports team. But like most people in the stadium, they really don’t know the game or the players all that well, they just know it’s “their” team, so it must win. Idiots electing idiots, and then when it doesn’t all go as promised, the “fans” claim they were lied to. Of course they were lied to. In politics, all that matters is staying in power, it’s where the money is. We get the governance we so deserve, and will get again this election.

Dowd proclaimed that, in his heart of hearts, McCain knew he put the country at risk with his VP choice and that he would “have to live” with that fact for the rest of his career.
Huh, a republican is saying McShame is putting our country at risk? A republican strategist is saying this?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/bush-strategist-mccain-kn_n_134570.html

ACORN WORKED WITH MCCAIN ON HIS 2006 IMMIGRATION BILL…
SPEAKING OF AYERS, THAT WAS 40 YEARS AGO WHEN OBAMA WAS 8 YEARS OLD… PALIN, HOWEVER IS A CURRENT, HEAVY, SUPPORTER OF THE AIP THAT IS ALLIED WITH THE KKK AND NEO-NAZIS.
MR. KEATING FIVE / HANOI TRAITOR MCCAIN SEEMS TO HAVE FORGOTTEN THAT.

I very much hope McCain brings up Ayers in the debate so Obama can cut McCain off at the knees with the truth, and he will. That will be fun to watch. McCain, at his hown peril, will bring up Ayers at the debate, and he will pay dearly for the effort. McCain has nothing. He’ll have even less when he no longer has Ayers to bring up in front of the KKK rallies McCain/Palin campaign at.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008!

machiavelli: what poll did you get your # from?

She pummeled opponents for giving oil companies and other businesses too much control of state government. Yet she appointed the founder of an engineering firm that received $6.8 million in state business as head of the transportation department.
Huh, I thought she had a record of reform?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/ap-palin-has-checkered-hi_n_134669.html

She is under another investigation, accused of misusing her office to campaign against a voter referendum calling for tighter mining regulations. Her husband, Todd, has accepted free trips from a mining company to look at their proposed new site.
Wow, She said she broke up the old boy network, sounds like she took it over.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/ap-palin-has-checkered-hi_n_134669.html

These continued personal smears against Obama read like the dying gasps of a weary, dying, rather pointless campaign that has lost all of its bearings and has nothing positive to offer the country in a time of great need.
Posted by: m@chiavelli
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Personal smears? BS! What you and your left wing friends consider “personal smears” are just the facts. Oh! I know…the truth hearts!
Oh, by the way – here ia a more substantive evidence that Obama’s platform is a “lemon” – especially when it comes to his health care plan:
New York Times Trashes Obama’s Health Care Plan….
“Health Plan From Obama Spurs Debate”
The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?ref=policy&pagewanted=all

Palin’s biggest political splash was from attacking the big oil companies that she said ran the state. She challenged their political power, and promised voters that her administration would avoid cozy relationships with business.
But one of her first cabinet appointments didn’t live up to that pledge.
Leo von Scheben, a co-founder of Anchorage-based USKH Inc. engineering firm, took over the state’s Department of Transportation and Public Facilities, and his firm’s state business increased, records show. USKH received $6.8 million in state transportation contracts last year, up 13 percent from $6 million the year before.
Wow, this is McShame picked as his running mate? Here I thought we would get reform!

Now we have a democrate who by all means is not perfect but represent what we don’t want in office, from the last eight years, who happens to be black,and Republicans are pursuiting relentlessly to make him unAmerican or Scary, so the public will fear him.

Carlos – First, a correction — the Emancipation Proclamation DID free slaves! No, not the instant it was proclaimed (in final form on January 1, 1863). But from then to the end of the war, as soon as Union forces were able to take charge of an area, its slaves WERE freed.
And the proclamation DID open the way for later gains. Along with the practice of allowing blacks to fight (and gain much respect doing so) and Lincoln’s other political efforts, it helped convince border states to end slavery (as Lincoln had long urged them to do voluntarily), and finally to passage of the 13th amendment.
And the complaint that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in Union territory is very misleading. The whole point is that the President had NO constitutional authority to simply declare slaves free because he wanted to! The basis for the Proclamation was his WAR powers — the right to deprive those in rebellion of property and other means of supporting that rebellion.
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Slavery OFFICIALLY ended when the 13th amendment to the Constitution was ratified by the states
Year 1865
(more precisely – Congress passes the amendment -January 31, 1865
[Lincoln signs it, although this is not required with Constitutional amendments]
amendment receives the required approval of legsislatures of 3/4 of the states -December 6, 1865
Secretary of State offiicially s the amendment’s ratification: December 18, 1865)
Summary of dates:
http://www.nps.gov/malu/documents/amend1...
more of the story of the 13th amendment -
http://www.mrlincolnandfreedom.org/insid...
Check out the WHOLE site for interesting articles on Lincoln, the Emancipation Proclamation, etc. It should make clear that Sothron’s claim that Lincoln did not really want to free the slaves is totally bogus. (In his final months he also began to push the idea that educated blacks and those who had fought in the war ought also be given the right to vote.)
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BUT there’s a problem with the 1865 date for the ending of slavery.
Many have argued that this date is not accurate, because the South managed by various legal means to keep many blacks in a state that, except for the name, was slavery. Chief among these were the system of “peonage” (debt-slavery) and the “convict lease system”, both of which persisted until the early 20th century.
Under the convict lease system, blacks might be arrested for petty (or even trumped up) charges, given very long sentences, then brutally worked by the state (think of the famous/infamous chain gangs) or leased out to farms or businesses. The system was frequently criticized, but only began to be dismantled during “the Progressive era”. The last state to end this practice (also the first to use it, beginning in 1846) was Alabama. The legislature mandated that it end on June 30, 1928.
Hence, according to some reckonings, the date at which slavery was finally legally abolished was:
July 1, 1928.
McCain was born in 1936, so by that time African-Americans were called field workers who worked in fields. McCain’s grandfather did not treat anyone bad. There were Republican plantation owners in the south, who fought for years against attacks and southern legislation restricting them to northern laws. That is when you started seeing African-Americans standing up to those ignorant people(southern Democrats, KKK).
The KKK was started soon after the Civil War, By angry white southern Democrats. Get your facts straight. The Republican party has always stood up for human rights no matter the race.
And it was also the British Monarchy who started slavery in this nation, Not the Republicans!

John McCain is a fruitcake, how about McCain answering questions about his affiliation with Larry Pratt,actually Palin also, which was actually recent and not something that happened when he was a small child. These Republicans are absolutely stupid to think that Americans with brains actually fall for this garbage. John McCain is the terrorist.

After all this is over and Obama becomes President, I like to see McCain as our defense secretary. He will clean up the goons in the Pentagon.

McShame as a defense secretary?!? Gimme a break, he finished in the bottom 5 of his class, he crashed 5 airplanes, and the vets just gave him a grade of D for his support of veterans. here are many more qualified people for that job. Like Webb from Virginia to name one, or Senator Hagel from Neb to name another.

Liberals are in vogue now. Republicans are old news, they are going to just fade away.
GOP = Grand Old Panic
President Obama! Get used to it!

If McCain wants to paint him as being guilty by association with Ayres. it will be a mistake. Obama’s simple response will
be “Senator McCain, Using your logic, Bob Scheiffer and myself would be guilty of bad judgement in the Keating 5 ethics
violations matter simply because we are on the same stage with you. But then again, It wasnt your associate who did that,
was it? It was you. And of course, It wasn’t your associate who revealed the entire flight inventory of the Forrestal to
Hanoi, or showed them the flight paths into North vietman. It was you. And it wasnt your associate who gave so much
information to Hanoi that their fellow prisoners named them ‘Songbird’, was it? It was you. And it wasnt your associate
who said they would place the architect of the current economic meltdown; “Phil Gramm’ as secretary of the treasury. It
was you. So, if you are done with all this guilt by association McCarthyism, We do have some economic issues to solve,

Yeah, how about this one: MCCAIN’S TRANSITION CHIEF AIDED SADDAM HUSSEIN”. Go ahead, mention the Ayers thing – it is nothing compared to all the oil lobbyists running the McCain campaign, Keating 5, McCain’s buddy buddy REAL friendship with terrorist and convicted FELON, Liddy and now the guy who aided the supposed ARCH ENEMY OF THE UNITED STATES – you know the guy we went to war after – TWICE – our soldiers died fighting? Just go ahead Johnny – McCain has so many skeletons that Obama has had the class NOT to bring up.

Right “Independent” and liberals were all the vogue in the 70′s too. Remember Jimmy Carter. Tell me again how that all worked out. So while we will definately have to get used to “President Obama” we just won’t have to get used to it for very long. As usual, you libs will screw it up, shoot yourselves in the foot, and be gone in the next election. Enjoy your party, short as it will be.

Jackson made the remarks to the World Policy Forum in France last week, according to The New York Post. The civil rights activist reportedly said that “Zionists who have controlled American policy for decades” would lose some of their influence with Obama in the White House, and that “decades of putting Israel’s interests first” would come to a close.

Ha-Ha | Oct 14, 2008 7:43:21 PM Are you presuming Komrad Obama allows an election in 2012?

m@chiavelli | Oct 14, 2008 7:44:05 PM Do you remember the lead in the polls the “inventor of the internet had”?

Is McCain not watching the polls? Does he really want to talk about Ayers in tomorrow night’s debate in spite of polls that show his loss of support and Obama’s huge gain is directly attributable to such negative, irrelevant attacks? I guess he wants to go out swinging, and he will bring a landslide victory for Obama over himself if the keeps doing what hasn’t worked so far. But that’s par for Bush and the Republicans. They continue pushing the policies that don’t work. I’ll be watching the debate hoping Obama launches into a filibusgter about Keating, Gramm, and Palin if McCain so much as forms the wrong syllable, and I’ll do in the comfort of my Ojamas. http://www.ojamas.us.

Oh you sure do have guts to bring up Ayers. Do you have guts to bring up your mistakes? Probably not-It doesn’t take guts to be a bully and a bit pull-
what takes courage and guts is to be accountable for your OWN MISTAKES! Also why don’t you talk about how one of the people on the board with Ayers donated $150,000 dollars to you. Guilt by association doesn’t solve our problems-Guilt for not supporting our Agriculture farms/ranches, health care, Senior Citizen tax breaks in Medicare and Medicaid, health insurance for children and calling American Women “Corn Fed Women” that is what you said to a professor in Figi while you were on vacation. Yea nice touch McCain- McCain I read an article about you in Rolling Stones and I had you pegged right. You have Small Man Syndrome-
Go OBAMA/BIDEN-THIS CORN FED AMERICAN WOMAN BELIEVES IN CHANGE AND HOPE

Well Sophia, seeing as how you enjoy your corn, get ready for the cob.

I’ve read up on who and what Ayers is, and obama’s relationship to this violent communist—I have no doubt obama will attempt to lie his way out of his relationship again-but I doubt this will be to rest.

The communist Allinsky manuel is frightening—and Obama and his crooked friends have been following it at every step from overloading the voter roles with illegal voters to his use of Useful idiots.

One thing many Republicans keep repeating is how exceptionally intelligent Obama is. Many have said they will vote for Obama for a variety of reasons. Palin is a different discussion – average, not ready, embarrassing. These are prominent Republicans speaking about Palin. McCain campaign folks have privately said: “she is clueless.” I’m still waiting for her to prove that assessment wrong. Ayers is completely irrelevant to me. A clueless VP that could be President at any time matters a great deal.

David — I don’t know anything about the cartoon. It sounds tasteless and offensive to me too.
McCain should be honored and respected for his service – just as any veteran should. But give me a break on the hero stuff. The guys who served honorably, completed their missions successfully and avoided capture and torture are the real hero’s (John Kerry comes to mind). Again, McCain was just unlucky (or maybe incompetent, as the Rolling Stone article suggests).

So, keep up the attacks, they actually seem to be helping Obama! :-)
Posted by: m@chiavelli
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The polls are manipulated by the left-wing-liberal media. Those clowns “missed the boat” of nearly every single primary last Spring. And, tehn they were turning around to say “this election is full of surprises”.
Well, perhaps the mother of all surprises has yet to come”!!
Hey, Obama did not even win the state of MA! The polls/media had Obama a winner in the MA primary! Well, Obama lost to Hillary despite the endorcement and the extensive campaining on his behalf by The Kennedys!!!
When you see articles like this in a major Boston, MA newspaper (MA=true blue state) it makes you wonder…(published just this past Saturday)
The Boston Herald:
It is what it is: Obama allied with scoundrels
http://news.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1124922&format=text

Natasha copies and pastes everything that suits her fringe, right wing, racist sensibilites from Quadhai of Libya to anyone else who puts any opinion on the internet. There is no independent and critical thinking whatsoever. Let’s just ignore the wing nuts on the internet tonight – it’s truly sad to read “copy and paste” smears from the Republican party and John McCain’s campaign. The level of ignorance and uneducated discussion is overwhelming. They have nothing better to say after months of robotically pasting their little lies and hate messages.

The hate in this blog is unreal and UnAmerican. The facts mean little to one who has so much bitterness and prujudices. Makes one sick just to rea them. McBush is a bad dream for the wrong time.
Thats why Obama will get elected by a huge majority..

I am an independent, but I have been stating over and over that obama is an idiot—not intelligent. The guy thinks the bomb was dropped on Pearl Harbor not Japan and that there are 57 states while the president serves 10 years. He reads off a teleprompter and lies continually—this isn’t smart. And sadly, to even to get into Harvard with lower standards for blacks, Obama still couldn’t do it. Some Saudi prince had to pull strings to get him and get him to pass. This is why he has threaten to sue the schools if his records are leaked and Obama will not release his SAT or LSAT scores.

MY FELLOW PRISONERS:
McCain will be made an example of for ALL Republicans to take note of.
Posted by: Nat Turner
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My fellow citizens OF ALL 57 STATES:(!!)
Obama will be made an example of for ALL DemocRATS to take note of….
If the DemocRATS want to portray McCain as old and sinile because he said “my fellow prisoners” patriotica and morally sound Americans should be questioning the “mental health” status a Presidential nominee, who speaks of “57 states”.
Oh, by the way… I saw on CNN the other day (special report) that Barack Obama has refused to release his medical records, while McCain has released his. Obama has only released one page “doctor’s note” – like the ones kids ususally bring to their school teachers!hahahaha!)
Btw, there is something called the “57 States of Islam!
America Wake Up!!
May 9 – On the campaign trail in Beaverton, Oregon, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama mistakenly tells a crowd that’s he’s been to 57 states – with one left to go.
VIDEO
“I have visited 57 states with one more to go” – Barack Obama.
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=82127
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The left cries ‘smear’ and ‘racism’ whenever anyone dares tell the truth about Obama and his collaboration with Ayers, Wright and Rezco. On the contrary – if Obama was a white Republican, with this history his candidacy would have been toast before it got started.
Just consider if the boot had been on the other foot and McCain’s political career had been launched by an abortion clinic bomber; his mentor for 20 years had been a White Supremist Pastor, and he had paid nearly a million dollars to far-Right militias who strong-armed voters into fraudulent registrations would anyone even think twice about voting for him? Of course not.
The question is whether through expediency or ideological sympathy or a combination of the two, Obama has allowed himself to collaborate with far left and anti American thinking that threatens the basic values and existance of America and Western society.

chattyway,
Putting “TRUE Quote” next to these does not make them any more true than they were yesterday or last week.
I encourage you to visit the non-partisan factcheck.org to read about the debunking of the viral email you are quoting: http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/did_obama_write_that_he_would_stand.html
In particular, the “TRUE Quote: I found a solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievance and animosity against my mother’s race” appears nowhere in either of Obama’s books. That quote is entirely manufactured by detractors and spread by people over the internet.
I thank you in advance for educating yourself on a matter you clearly think is important.

Are we finally getting it? When will we start talking about Keating5, Phil Gram and Republican McCain who is one of the guys he is now talking about he wants to go after? Republican McCain will say whatever he has to in order to get your vote. He’s against regulating the financial markets that are now failing but if he thinks you will vote for him he will tell you he is for it. He thinks the economy is fundamentally strong but when asked what economy is he talking about? He changed his statement to say he was talking about the American people are fundamentally strong. The American people he consistently votes against on issues such as healthcare, seniors, labor, unions, keeping jobs from going overseas, energy, childcare, active military troops, veterans and even hurricane survivors? Will the real John McCain please stand up?McCain voted NO on S AMDT 210 to S Con Res 18: To repeal the tax subsidy for certain domestic companies which move manufacturing operations and American jobs offshore.Republican McCain may lie but his record does not! Here is how Republican McCain voted for the American people:06/26/2007 Union Organization BillHR 800 Voted:NO08/02/2007 State Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP) Reauthorization HR 976 Voted:NO09/19/2007 Time Between Troop Deployments S Amdt 2909 Voted:NO10/05/2005 Health Care for Veterans AmendmentHR 2863 Voted:NO02/02/2006 Medicare Part D AmendmentHR 4297 Voted:NO11/17/2005 Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit AmendmentS 2020 Voted:NO11/03/2005 Medicare Premiums AmendmentS 1932 Voted:NO11/03/2005 Prescription Drug Plan AmendmentS 1932 Voted:NO07/11/2006 FEMA AmendmentHR 5441 Voted:NO11/03/2005 Medical Assistance and Prescription Drug AmendmentS 1932 Voted:NO11/03/2005 Hurricane Health Care for Survivors AmendmentS 1932 Voted:NO10/27/2005 AIDS Drug Assistance Program AmendmentHR 3010 Voted:NO06/27/2003 Medicare Prescription Drug Benefit billS 1 Voted:NO07/25/2006 Teen Pregnancy Education AmendmentS 403 Voted:NO10/26/2005 Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program AmendmentHR 3010 Voted:NO06/16/2005 Reduction in Dependence on Foreign OilHR 6 Voted:NO06/16/2005 Renewable Portfolio Standard (RPS) AmendmentHR 6 Voted:NO05/08/2002 Farm Security and Rural Investment Act of 2002HR 2646 Voted:NO03/29/2007 Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007HR 1591 Voted:NO11/03/2005 Agriculture, Rural Development, FDA Appropriations ActHR 2744 Voted:NO10/27/2005 After School Funding AmendmentHR 3010 Voted:NO11/08/2001 Veterans Affairs and HUD Appropriations Act of 2002HR 2620 Voted:NO11/17/2005 Additional Funding For Veterans AmendmentS 2020 Voted:NO06/29/2000 Health Care AmendmentHR 4577 Voted:NO11/15/2005 Reporting Matters in Iraq AmendmentS 1042 Voted:NO11/15/2005 Iraq Progress Reports AmendmentS 1042 Voted:NO04/25/2002 Securing America’s Future Energy (SAFE) Act of 2001HR 4 Voted:NO

Angry Voter, Obama’s simple plan to destroy America is very logical.
(1) Punish American business making over $250,000 by taxing them to the hilt until they are forced to lay off people and stop producing.
(2) Ensure American business earning under $250,000 have no incentive to expand their business and hire more people because if they make more money and hire more people they will be punished with higher taxes.
(3) Make sure people earning less than $40,000 have no incentive to improve their lives and make more money because if they do they won’t get any of the money Obama has confiscated from American business making more than $250,000.
(4) Once American business earning over $250,000 get hit hard enough by Obama’s higher taxes they will just go out of business and there will be zero taxes to pay for all of Obama’s TRILLION dollar government give away programs.
Obama’s motto for “change we need” should be “change we need to destroy America” which is right in line with Obama’s and his buddy’s Ayers and Wright’s true agenda after all.

The hate in this blog is unreal and UnAmerican. The facts mean little to one who has so much bitterness and prujudices. Makes one sick just to rea them. McBush is a bad dream for the wrong time.
Thats why Obama will get elected by a huge majority..
Posted by: savoymt
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Stop playing the “race” card to gain sympathy for Obama! Stop diverting from the real issue which is about Barack Obama’s judgement and character. BHO brought this on to himself by using his judgement “poorly” (asociating with convicted terrorists and other criminals). Biden has also said the same thing way before McCain started asking questions.
Or is it also not true that he gave $800,000 to ACORN?
Geez, every time I turn arround there is a freaking scandal breaking about the organizations BHO was doing his “community organizing”. Give us a break – the American people have every right to know the truth and nothing but the truth. And, since the left-wing-liberal media is not willing to do any extensive “vetting” of “Messiah Obama” -they are too busy vetting Palin – then McCain and Palin have every right to do some “vetting” of the real Barack Obama.
Barack Obama’s “mask” has to come off. Period.

Oh———-The sore loosers are out tonight. CBS new poll Obama up by 14 points. I guess the republicans will discount that poll also and say they are in Obama’s corner. Maybe Obama should go after McCain on his baggage and smear him. Oh-Thats right that would make Obama a Rep canidate. I hope McCain does bring it up as it will be fun watching McCains numbers fall even further as Ind and undecided once again move away from the canidate that uses attacks and smears to try to win.

Obama is clearly lying when he claims ignorance about Ayers’s terrorism, but even if you wanted to pretend otherwise, it is impossible that he was in the dark about Ayers’s revolutionary leftism: Ayers has never made a secret of it and can’t seem to help himself from mentioning it about every 30 seconds.
Obama not only knew about Ayers’s views in this regard; he obviously subscribed to them: was a member of the Chicago New Party begun by the Democratic Socialists of America; he worked closely with Ayers on “education reform” for years, he approved of Ayers’s similarly fringe-Left views of the criminal justice system’s treatment of juvenile crime, and, we are learning, he was tightly aligned with ACORN, which he and Ayers funded and whose practices fit comfortably with the Ayers view of “participatory democracy.”
McCarthy quotes Ayers’ speech to Chavez and his comrades at length; here are couple of high points:
[M]y comrade and friend Luis Bonilla, a brilliant educator and inspiring fighter for justice … has taught me a great deal about the Bolivarian Revolution [i.e., Chavez's movement] and about the profound educational reforms underway here in Venezuela under the leadership of President Chavez. We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution, and I’ve come to appreciate Luis as a major asset in both the Venezuelan and the international struggle—I look forward to seeing how he and all of you continue to overcome the failings of capitalist education as you seek to create something truly new and deeply humane….
[I’ve] learned that education is never neutral. It always has a value, a position, a politics. Education either reinforces or challenges the existing social order, and school is always a contested space—what should be taught? In what way? Toward what end? By and for whom? …
Venezuelans have shown the world that with full participation, full inclusion, and popular empowerment, the failing of capitalist schooling can be resisted and overcome. … [W]e, too, must build a project of radical imagination and fundamental change. Venezuela is poised to offer the world a new model of education—a humanizing and revolutionary model whose twin missions are enlightenment and liberation.
These are the views that Barack Obama funded in Chicago and with which he chose to ally himself. No wonder that a study later found that the many millions of dollars that Obama funneled to left-wing groups led to no improvement in the quality of education!

Sing along, if your a McCain supporter and feel so inclined, with the lyrics here:
McCain – Palin Tradition
By Hank Williams Jr.
The left wing liberal media have
Always been a real close knit family
But, most of the American People
Don’t believe em anyway ya see
Stop and think it over
Before you make your decision
If they smell something
They’re gonna come down strong
It’s a McCain – Palin tradition
Now this old Union’s got problems
That is plain to see
The Democrats bankrupted Fannie Mae N Freddie Mac
Just like 1, 2, 3
The bankers didn’t want to make all those bad loans,
But Bill Clinton said you got to
Now they want a bail out, what I’m talking about
Is a Democrat liberal who doo
CHORUS
John N Sarah tell ya
Just what they think
And they’re not gonna blink
And they’re gonna fix this country
Cause they’re just like you N ole Hank
Yes John is a maverick
And Sarah fixed Alaska’s broken condition
They’re gonna go just fine
We’re headed for better times
It’s a McCain – Palin tradition
I am very proud of America’s name
Bu no society is perfect
And we have had our stains
If I’m down at the coffee shop and
Somebody wants to give our flag friction
We say please move on
Cause we’re standing strong
That’s an old John McCain tradition
CHORUS
John N Sarah tell ya
Just what they think
And they’re not gonna blink
And they’re gonna fix this country
Cause they’re just like you N ole Hank
Yes John is a maverick
And Sarah fixed Alaska’s broken condition
They’re gonna go just fine
We’re headed for better times
It’s a McCain – Palin tradition
Some are bound to tell you I’m
Preaching to the choir
And that is very true
And we are going even higher
Like a mama bear in Idaho
She’ll protect your family’s condition
If you mess with her cubs
She’s gonna take of the gloves
It’s an American female tradition
CHORUS
John N Sarah tell ya
Just what they think
And they’re not gonna blink
And they’re gonna fix this country
Cause they’re just like you N ole Hank
Yes John is a maverick
And Sarah fixed Alaska’s broken condition
They’re gonna go just fine
We’re headed for better times
It’s a McCain – Palin tradition

Just Saying,
Some of your information is based on assumption and repeats some misleading statements. If you are interested in a non-partisan analysis of the Ayers question, let me direct you to http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/he_lied_about_bill_ayers.html
I thank you in advance for educating yourself on an issue you clearly feel is important.

THE EVANGELICALS ARE GOING ABOUT IT ALL WRONG. THERE APPROACH TO THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION IS WORST THAN THE PREVIOUS TWO ELECTIONS.
Just because some one like Bush claims to read the Bible and say he/she is against abortion, do not mean that person qualify to run the Presidential Offices of the United States. After James Dobson’s ditto heads put ‘W’ in office twice, you would think the hypocritical evangelicals would have learned. But noooooo, , , , the evangelicals are trying to force in office a worst pair then Bush & Cheney, , , , its ‘McSame & Palney’.
The solution for the evangelical concern is not hard. What you do is pick a candidate that is highly intelligent, smart, and wise like Senator Obama and convert his views of ‘Choice’ to ‘Pro-life’. With Obama’s religious background and penchant for scholarly debate, I could have him converted to pro-life in a single setting. This is a far better solution than putting a ‘Reckless Molasses McSame’ and ‘Sarah Elmer-Fudd Palin’ anywhere near the nuclear triggers.
It is far harder to bring McSame and Palin up to the speed, intellect, judgment, and temperament of an Obama-Biden team, then it would be to convert Obama to pro-life. And with Biden’s pro-life views, the matter is half in the bag.
GOD Bless the United States of America!
GOD Bless the Obama-Biden Leadership Team!

Tim,
Senator Obama has commented on that on more than one occasion, such as in February, when he drew fire for the anti-Semitic comments of Louis Farrakhan.
You can find that report here: http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gMMpbRDq6QJrzJ38Z9WtZ4065dTA

chicagotribune.com
How can we not connect the dots?
Charles Krauthammer
October 13, 2008
WASHINGTON—Convicted felon Antoin “Tony” Rezko. Unrepentant terrorist William “Bill” Ayers. And the race-baiting Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. It is hard to think of any presidential candidate before Barack Obama sporting associations with three more execrable characters. Yet let the John McCain campaign raise the issue, and the mainstream media begin fulminating about dirty campaigning tinged with racism and McCarthyite guilt by association.
But associations are important. They provide a significant insight into character. They are particularly relevant in relation to a potential president as new, unknown, opaque and self-contained as Obama. With the economy overshadowing everything, it may be too late politically to be raising this issue. But that does not make it, as conventional wisdom holds, in any way illegitimate.
McCain has only himself to blame for the bad timing. He should months ago have begun challenging Obama’s associations, before the economic meltdown allowed the Obama campaign (and the mainstream media, which is to say the same thing) to dismiss the charges as an act of desperation by the trailing candidate.
McCain had his chance back in April when the North Carolina Republican Party ran a gubernatorial campaign ad that included the linking of Obama with Wright. The ad was duly denounced by The New York Times and other deep thinkers as racist.
McCain in his infinite wisdom, and with his overflowing sense of personal rectitude, joined the braying mob in denouncing that perfectly legitimate ad, saying it had no place in any campaign. In doing so, McCain unilaterally disarmed himself, rendering off-limits Obama’s associations, an issue that even Hillary Clinton addressed more than once.
Obama’s political career was launched with Ayers giving him a fundraiser in his living room. If a Republican candidate had launched his political career at the home of an abortion-clinic bomber—even a repentant one—he would not have been able to run for dogcatcher in Podunk.
Why are these associations important? Do I think Obama is as corrupt as Rezko? Or shares Wright’s angry racism or Ayers’ unreconstructed 1960s radicalism?
No. But that does not make these associations irrelevant. They tell us two important things about Obama.
First, his cynicism and ruthlessness. He found these men useful, and use them he did. Would you attend a church whose pastor was spreading racial animosity from the pulpit? Would you even shake hands with—let alone serve on two boards with—an unrepentant terrorist, whether he bombed U.S. military installations or abortion clinics?
Most Americans would not, on the grounds of sheer indecency. Yet Obama did, if not out of conviction then out of expediency. He was a young man on the make, an unknown outsider working his way into Chicago politics. He played the game with everyone, without qualms and with obvious success.
Obama is not the first politician to rise through a corrupt political machine. But he is one of the rare few to then have the audacity to present himself as a transcendent healer, hovering above and bringing redemption to the “old politics”—of the kind he had enthusiastically embraced in Chicago in the service of his own ambition.
Second, and even more disturbing than the cynicism, is the window these associations give on Obama’s core beliefs. He doesn’t share Rev. Wright’s poisonous views of race nor Ayers’ views, past and present, about the evil that is American society. But Obama clearly did not consider these views beyond the pale. For many years he swam easily and without protest in that fetid pond.
Until now. Today, on the threshold of the presidency, Obama concedes the odiousness of these associations, which is why he has severed them. Obama is a man of first-class intellect and first-class temperament. But his character remains highly suspect. There is a difference between temperament and character. Equanimity is a virtue. Tolerance of the obscene is not.
Charles Krauthammer is a syndicated columnist based in Washington

Jeeze Natasha, did you have a bad day at work or is your husband cheating on you or what? You are one angry b!tch. Take a chill pill. I feel the hate pouring out of you in your posts. Or maybe it’s just desperation.

Oh you sure do have guts to bring up Ayers.
Posted by Sophia
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BRING IT ON, BABY! BRING IT ON!
STOP DIVERTING FROM
AYERSTERRORGATE, ACORNGATE, AND…TONYGATE*** !!!!
***TONY REZKO

me not american. an asian, a God’s believer christian.
the coincidence of similarity of name between Osama bin Laden and Obama and Biden is interesting.
Interestingly also that the majority of American seems to favor Obama camp. Mcain and Palin are a typical white american people who believe in old fashion christian american values, especially Palin. They will bring God’s Spirit in the White House ( my opinion!)
The american this time believe less in religion. The iranian, ie Ahmadinejad predicted the falls of America as the world power and Islam will rule. Indonseians are msotly behind Obama, and so does millions of muslims the world over. But the ordinary american fails to see this. they see only their economic and domestic issues.
Maybe Ahmadinejag is true becos Gods has his own plan for america if the people dose not learn and come back to God.

Obama is the anti-Christ

How is it the left-wing-liberal media is not reporting anything about this Associated Press News Release?!
Obviously, the media “Morons” think that “TONYGATE” is going to go away…(that’s OK – let the “sleeping beauties” think so…)
Obama fundraiser, convicted of fraud, spills beans
October 11, 2008
MIKE ROBINSON ASSOCIATED PRESS
CHICAGO (AP) – Jailed political fundraiser Antoin “Tony” Rezko, the Chicago real estate developer who helped launch Barack Obama on his political career, is whispering secrets to federal prosecutors about corruption in Illinois and the political fallout could be explosive.
Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich, whose administration faces multiple federal investigations over how it handed out jobs and money with advice from Rezko, is considered the most vulnerable.
Rezko also was friendly with Obama _ offering him a job when he finished law school, funding his earliest political campaigns and purchasing a lot next to his house. But based on the known facts, charges so far and testimony at Rezko’s trial, there’s no indication there’ll be a so-called “October surprise” that could hurt the Democratic presidential nominee _ even though Rezko says prosecutors are pressing him for dirt about Obama.
“I think this strikes fear into the Blagojevich administration and the Statehouse Democrats but not into the Obama campaign,” says state Sen. Kirk Dillard, R-Westmont, a John McCain delegate to the GOP convention but an old friend of Obama.
Rezko, 53, a real estate developer, was convicted in June of scheming to use his clout with the Blagojevich administration to squeeze $7 million in kickbacks out of a contractor and seven money management firms seeking to do business with the state.
Within two months, Rezko was seen in U.S. Attorney Patrick J. Fitzgerald’s office, along with his attorneys.
There has been no official confirmation that Rezko is talking but his sentencing has been postponed indefinitely and both sides say they are going to “engage in discussions that could affect their sentencing postures.”
“They never would have delayed the sentencing if he weren’t talking _ it’s proof positive,” said Jay Stewart, executive director of the Better Government Association of Chicago.
In addition, attorneys say federal investigators have been questioning Blagojevich contributions around the state using information that only Rezko could have supplied. Finally, courthouse personnel requesting anonymity because grand jury probes are secret said Rezko has been repeatedly brought from his cell to the U.S. attorney’s office to talk to prosecutors.
Rezko could have a lot to tell. He has raised millions of dollars in campaign money for many Illinois politicians and according to federal prosecutors used his clout to control appointments to state boards.
Obama has sent to charity $159,000 that Rezko raised for his campaigns for the state legislature, the House and the Senate. Rezko raised nothing for Obama’s White House run.
Obama’s name came up in testimony at the trial four times, twice in connection with an obscure legislative memo, as a guest at a Rezko party and when defense attorney Joseph Duffy told jurors his client was a friend of the senator.
None of the witnesses accused the Democratic nominee for president of doing anything improper. In June, Duffy told the Chicago Tribune that prosecutors had not asked him a single question about Obama.
But questions concerning Obama’s relationship with Rezko linger, particularly over Rezko’s role in the purchase of the Obamas’ home.
The two have known each other for years, starting when Rezko offered Obama a job after he graduated from Harvard Law School in 1991. Obama didn’t take it, but a friendship developed.
The men talked politics frequently and occasionally dined together with their wives.
In 2005, the Obamas paid $1.65 million for their home near the University of Chicago. The sellers wanted a parcel they owned next door to sell on the same day, and Rezko’s wife, Rita, was the buyer. At the request of the Obamas, Mrs. Rezko later sold them a 10-foot strip of land to enlarge their lot. They paid $104,500.
The deal took place while Rezko was under investigation and when details of the cozy relationship surfaced, Obama said it was a “bonehead” error to have asked for the additional land because it looked like he was getting a favor.
“I regret it,” Obama said at the time. “I’m going to make sure that from this point on I don’t even come close to the line.”
McCain and vice running mate Sarah Palin have mentioned Rezko little if at all. But Republicans have aired a television ad focusing on Rezko. And McCain aides have repeatedly tweaked their opponent over the real estate deal in e-mails to reporters.
“We’re delighted to have a debate on judgment with Barack Obama, who bought his million-dollar mansion in a shady deal with a convicted felon,” McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said in August.
Blagojevich, meanwhile, got a black eye from the trial.
One witness testified that Blagojevich talked about hiring him for a major state job while his $25,000 donation to the governor’s campaign fund was lying on the table.
Two attorneys testified that Blagojevich hinted that they could get lucrative state contracts if they raised money _ possibly for a future White House campaign.
Obama’s name has not surfaced in accounts of the investigation since the trial. But Rezko himself raised it in a letter to the judge months ago.
“Your Honor, the prosecutors have been overzealous in pursuing a crime that never happened,” he wrote. “They are pressuring me to tell them the wrong things that I supposedly know about Gov. Blagojevich and Sen. Barack Obama.”
The Washington Times (Associated Press)
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/11/obama-fundraiser-convicted-of-fraud-spills-bean-1/

FactCheck, Fact check does not always get it right. Obama lied about his collaboration with Ayers when he said “Ayers was just a guy in my neighborhood”
It is not credible to believe that Obama did not know about Ayers radicalism. On 9/11 Ayers said “I wish I could have done more” when referring to his bombing of the Pentagon and other bombings.
Stanley Kurtz has a well documented article that clearly proves that Obama and Ayers “Pushed Radicalism On Schools” via the funneling money to Ayers anti-American school projects with public money from the Annenberg Challenge that Obama chaired.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122212856075765367.html
Another source that documents in meticulous detail the strong ties Obama has with Ayers is Global Labor and Politics – Steve Diamond “Who sent Obama” Answer: Ayers
http://globallabor.blogspot.com/2008/04/who-sent-obama.html
I suggest you do a little research before you buy into what Fact Check is saying about Obama and Ayers. It is clear to me that Obama is heavily influenced by Ayers radical and anti-American beliefs and if Obama gets elected, America will be the looser and we all will loose big time.
Obama’s and Ayers philosophies include:
– Capitalism is bad and one way to destroy it is to punish American business with higher taxes.
– An authoritarian central government which dictates every aspect of a person’s life from cradle to grave.
– Redistribution of wealth “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.” ie. communism
– Reeducation of American youth to hate America and Western civilization.
If you do not believe me just take a look at what Obama is proposing and has supported in the past and you will see that Ayers has been a heavy influence of Obama’s beliefs and what it would bode for America if he gets elected.

Gorrillas r us, may I ask? What grade are you in. Maybe I should ask what class, because I think you might be in Special Ed. It is kind of hard getting on that short bus isn’t it sweetie?

Natasha? Not exactly current, railing against something that happened 2 months ago. Kurtz went on the air anyway.
Posted by: Timely?
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So?! Most of the items discussed here did not happen yesterday!
This is the time to remind ALL morally sound American people – from both sides – that electing someone without a solid character and a sound judgement to be President is UNPATRIOTIC ans DANGEROUS FOR OUR COUNTRY.
OBAMA has NOT demonstrated that he has neither the character nor the judgement to be our next Commander in Chief. Period.

So in otherwords, Obama is completely immoral? He is…of this there is no doubt.

Fear begets racism and anger. You republicants are really running scared, aren’t you?

I recently read in the Enquire Magazine that McCain has been nuetered. Yup, Sarah says he can only wear his balls when she says he can. They are on the shelf right next to Todd’s. Ya, you betcha!

Wait a sec, Ha Ha–
Are you saying that if I found a way to do that without adding 1 to it, it would be a reasonable point?
Hot damn! And I thought I was being sarcastic!
I better get a calculator. Back soon.

Just Wondering, No one is saying Obama should be arrested. The people you mention are not running for President and do not have the long term collaboration with Ayers that Obama has.
(1) Ayers was one of the first people to hold a fund raiser in his home for Obama.
(2) Obama served together with Ayers on the Woods Foundation for three years. Obama continued to serve on the Wood Foundation after Ayers was quoted in the New York Times on 9/11 fondly recalling his days as a bomber, and saying “I wish I could have done more”
(3) The funds Obama and Ayers helped control at the Woods Foundation funneled thousands of dollars into both Khalidi’s organization and the now-infamous Trinity United Church of Christ.
(4) Obama campaign’s top strategist,
Axelrod, concedes that the Obama’s relationship with the unrepentant terrorist Ayers is “friendly”
(5) Obama is denying it, but it is pretty clear that Ayers hired Obama to be chair for the Annenberg Challenge that Ayers founded. Steve Diamond of Global Labor documents this with a lot of evidence that is impossible to refute.
(6) As chair of the Annenberg Challenge ,Obama funneled a lot of money from the the Annenberg Challenge funds to Ayers radical and anti-American school projects and to ACORN.
(7) Obama wrote a blurb on one of Ayers books.
(8) Obama and Ayers were speakers at many of the same functions.
(9) Obama’s beliefs of redistribution of wealth, defeat in Iraq, weakening our military are very much consistent with Ayers beliefs.

Obama’s game plan…found in a communist’s play book.
According to Alinsky, the organizer — especially a paid organizer from outside — must first overcome suspicion and establish credibility. (This is why he doesn’t make a stand and has only been voting present as a Senator–he wants to lull people into not liking a particular stance)Next the organizer must begin the task of agitating: rubbing resentments, fanning hostilities, and searching out controversy. (This is why he has been playing the race card even with Bill Clinton—he is trying agiate quilt idiots into voting for him) This is necessary to get people to participate. An organizer has to attack apathy and disturb the prevailing patterns of complacent community life where people have simply come to accept a bad situation. (Exactly how Hitler got going, and Obama is certainly a Hitler wantabe) Alinsky would say, “The first step in community organization is community disorganization.” (And Obama is a proud community organizer thug…and this should be noted why so many community organizers are communists and fascists.)
Through a process combining hope and resentment, (HOPE—isn’t this Obama’s vague word) the organizer tries to create a “mass army” that brings in as many recruits as possible from local organizations, churches, services groups, labor unions, corner gangs, and individuals. (Hey, this exactly what Obama’s Acorn and his campaign has done.)
Alinsky provides a collection of rules to guide the process. But he emphasizes these rules must be translated into real-life tactics that are fluid and responsive to the situation at hand.
Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do. (Yep, Obama and his supporters are all show and no merit……having Acorn lie about his numbers and having his people vote often even dead.)
Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.
Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.
Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.” (Wonder about public funds and such for campaigning….Obama has been playing games all along)
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage. (Notice the Obamabots have been attacking PALIN and McCain’s military service—-wonder why they are obsessed with Palin? They are scarred of her.)
Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”
Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues. (Obama has been dragging on way to long.)
Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.” Obamabots like lying about all sorts of stuff, to making stuff up about Palin and McCain to making empty promises based on the crowds that they can’t possibly keep.
Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.
Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?” Obama never gives a specific plan—-he promises things sure, but when asked for specifics—he flips and flops.
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.
According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”

Not any of McCain, Palin, nor their ignorant racist sinners supporters’ attacks of hatred, fear, racism, and division WILL EVER PREVAIL against Sen. Obama – this nation’s next Commander-in-Chief !!!
You [ Barack Obama], are from God and have overcome them [the enemy’s attacks, schemes, and plots ] , because the one [God] who is in you [ Barack Obama] is greater than the one [the enemy ] who is in the world. – 1 John 4:4
No weapon forged against you [ Barack Obama] will prevail, and you [ Barack Obama] will refute every tongue that accuses you [ Barack Obama] . This is the heritage of the servants [ Barack Obama] of the LORD, and this is their [ Barack Obama] vindication from me,” declares the LORD. – Isaiah 54:17
” I [ God ] will send my terror ahead of you [ Barack Obama] and throw into confusion every nation you [ Barack Obama] encounter. I [ God ] will make all your [ Barack Obama] enemies turn their backs and run.” – Exodus 23:27
The Lord will rescue me [ Barack Obama] from every evil attack and will bring me [ Barack Obama] safely to his heavenly kingdom. – 2 Timothy 4:18
11 For he will command his angels concerning you [ Barack Obama] to guard you [ Barack Obama ] in all your ways; 12 they will lift you [ Barack Obama ] up in their hands, so that you [ Barack Obama ] will not strike your [his] foot against a stone. 13 You [ Barack Obama ] will tread upon the lion and the cobra; you [ Barack Obama ] will trample the great lion and the serpent. – Psalm 91:11-13
I have given you [ Barack Obama ] authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you [ Barack Obama ]. – Luke 10:19
It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !
Amen.

Natasha:
You keep citing an “article” in the Boston Herald, i.e.
“The Boston Herald
It is what it is: Obama allied with scoundrels
Saturday, October 11, 2008″
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Note: the “article” you keep referring to in the Boston Herald is NOT in fact an article, but an op-ed (pure opinion piece) written by the Republican operative, and king of slime, D*ck Morris.
D*ck Morris?! Anything written by that lizard is not worth the paper it was printed on.

FactCheck.org is sponsored by the LEFTIST Organization: ANNENBERG Public Policy Foundation
Posted by: Natasha | Oct 14, 2008 10:16:09 PM
How do you know.

Posted by: Natasha | Oct 14, 2008 10:16:09 PM
FactCheck.org is sponsored by the LEFTIST Organization: ANNENBERG Public Policy Foundation
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Natasha! You are certifiable:-) LOL
Annenberg is a non-partisan foundation that was originally funded (and is named after) one Walter Hubert Annenberg the famous American billionaire publisher, philanthropist, and diplomat.
Walter Annenberg was Nixon’s Ambassador to Great Britain and a close friend and confidant of President Ronald Reagan.
He was very much a Republican!

chiapetvelli – Have you ever heard of infiltration?!!! That is a socialist maneuver, liberalism(compassionate towards too)is a ploy of distraction! hello, anybody home!

Ohio Blues,
Agreed. I voted for Kerry and was strongly opposed to the war. I don’t think McCain’s or anyone’s military service should be ridiculed however-especially when there are so many other important issues. I will vote for McCain for a number of reasons although I would have strongly preferred Guiliani as his VP. Best to you.

Kyle, do you know why Obama hasn’t brought up McCains infidelity to his 1st wife? It’s because he has morals and won’t sink to the level that McPain has sunk to with all his vile rhetoric. He doesn’t need to. He is a man among men and I admire him for his principles! Obama “08.

Posted by: Ha Ha | Oct 14, 2008 10:31:17 PM
“chiapetvelli – Have you ever heard of infiltration?!!! That is a socialist maneuver, liberalism(compassionate towards too)is a ploy of distraction! hello, anybody home!f”
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1. Chiapetvelli? How do you get Chiapetvelli from m@chiavelli?
2. The rest of your statement is so garbled as to make no sense at all.
I’m guessing your some foreigner using machine translation to translate your message – say Chinese, maybe?
Machine translation might garble m@chiavelli and spit out chiapetveilli.
;-)
Why not try your hand at composing a sentence in English?

Natasha…
Really, I understand you have an obsessive hatred of Obama and the Democratic party, but why this extreme disdain for Mickey Mouse?
C’mon. Mickey’s one the the great American heroes. Leave him out of politics!
On the other hand, McCain’s campaign for the presidency does remind me of Wiley Coyote’s never-ending, always failing pursuit of Road Runner. :-)

Obama was adopted and lost his US citizenship (natural Born). Please ABC check into this?
http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/shocking-development-mrs-obama-decides-enough-is-enough-my-husband-was-born-in-hawaii-and-adopted-by-his-step-father-does-that-make-him-unpatriotic-she-asks-on-a-direct-telephone-to-api/

The Republicans on this blog are simply amazing – NOT! The smell despair and attack just like their candidate.
Senator Obama is far ahead in the polls. The CBS-NYT poll released this evening shows a 14-point lead for Obama, we shouldn’t actually regard this as all that shocking a result. There are now no fewer than seven current national polls that show Obama with a double-digit advantage: Newsweek (+11), ABC/Post (+10), Democracy Corps (+10), Research 2000 (+10), Battleground (+13), Gallup (+10 using their Likely Voter II model) and now this CBS News.It seems the polls are accurately reflecting the repulsion civilized people feel toward McCain/Palin’s negative tactics, and responding to Obama’s steady leadership qualities. The more McCain rants incoherently, the more Obama appears stable, cool and calm, just what this country needs after the past 8 years.
It just goes to show, if you don’t have solutions, you’re part of the problem.
And ACORN? McCain was for it before he was against it. McCain was the keynote speaker at their 2006 convention telling the ACORN members that what is right with America “is in this room.”
I hope McCain does bring up Ayers in the debate. Senator Obama is more than ready for him. Ayers is not about winning the election for McCain or the Republicans – they already realize McCain is toast.

Actual quote from “The Audacity of Hope” [pg. 261]: Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.
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Please educate yourselves that you do not continue spreading lies. This one is so easily dis-proved by reading the book. But instead, you parrot and forward the email.
Shame on you.

Damn, Natasha. You just keep on going.
I want you to stop, for a moment, and admit that you have mis-quoted “The Audacity of Hope.”
Do that, then let’s continue.

And now this came out today: William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime. The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein’s government.
The beat goes on…Mccain’s campaign team rot with lobbyists, his camapign chairman still has ties to Freddie and Fannie, his transition team headed by a man who has ties to Sadam Hussein. No, Natasha, the American people are not naive – they are smarter than voters were 8 years ago or even 4 years ago.

McCain is lying. He doesn’t have the gonads needed to stare Obama in the eyes and talk trash. He’ll be trembling in his depends thinking this black man is a about to whip my ‘old arse! Actually, he can’t do it because he’s a member of the GOP. Gutless, Old, People!

Shocking development: Mrs Obama decides enough is enough: “My husband was born in Hawaii and adopted by his step father, does that make him unpatriotic; she asks”, on a direct telephone to API.
Posted by africanpress on October 15, 2008
Does this mean that Obama renounced his American citizen ship?

I hope you do McCain, and I hope Obama bring out the fact that you are being supported by two of the five members that sat on the board with Ayers and Obama. It will be quit a show to see egg on McCain’s face.
And you also supported and Funded ACORN McCain, another egg on the face.

Natasha – ah! I figure you are about 9 years old – no one with half a brain would post the crap you do. The more you post, the dumber you sound and the more ignorant you become. You are the kind of blogger the McCain camapign would not be proud of…oh, wait…I just remembered…the McCain campaign sounds just as schizophrenic as you do.

Excellent bait for Republican trols – I was wondering where they had run off to.
I look forward to McCain bringing up Ayers at the debate. If he’s still as unacquainted with the facts as he was in the interview, it should be quite a show.

Sounds like some presidential gamesmanship. Could be Obama is trying to goad the hot headed McCain into attacking his prepared position or maybe McCain is trying to get Obama to have to prepare for something he doesn’t need and waste his time.

Vote for a Real Deal American Patroit, John McCain. MCCain Has Proven His Fruits!!!! The Worlds Terrorists, Like Hammas, Amadinjead, Ayers, ect. want to see Obama in the Whitehouse. No Terrorist Sweetie in the Whitehouse!!!

My only hope is that Natasha hasn’t posted in the last 20 minutes because she’s rasslin’ up the courage to admit she mis-quoted Obama’s books to score a cheap point.
Please, Natasha. Just admit it, then we can keep on debating the issues.

Oh, damn. I spoke too soon.
I feel bad for you, Natasha. You just live in a funny place where it doesn’t matter when you’re shown to be wrong. Just press on to the next talking point, sister!

Ok lets get this out in the open—-often when corner the Obamabots start spouting FACTCHECK and FACTCHeck that—–I had noticed for months that FACTCHECK was un-factual…and had a definate Obama bias.
Now FACTCHECK claims to be non-partisan but the FACTS are that FACTCHECK gets its funding from the Annennberg Foundation—-you know the place were Ayer’s got Obama a job on the board. Yep, sorry but Obama and his corrupt Chit-own frieds strike again with their croonism and lies.

Okay, let’s get this out in the open– often, you keep mis-quoting Obama’s books. Even when you could open a book and look for yourself, you don’t.
FactCheck has this one right. Sorry. They actually had The Audacity To Read.

I think Natasha had to go take some prozac. Good job Timely! I think we should call you “That One”!

http://newstrust.net/sources/factcheck
Factcheck is primarily funded by Annenberg Foundation and actual name is the Annenberg Factcheck.

Results of the efforts of hundreds of reporters, writers, videographers, film-makers and bloggers from around the world, are beginning to resonate nationally. The much more finely nuanced picture of the rise of Sarah Palin that is now emerging, is disturbing to many Americans, many Alaskans.
Sarah Palin has become the butt of more jokes around America than there are people in Alaska. New YouTubes of her ineptness, selfishness, mendacity, ignorance and strange beliefs and alliances, are posted at a rate averaging over ten per hour, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.
More here http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2008/10/saradise-...

OMG – Look at what gets yelled out at Obama/Biden rallies – the HORROR!
Biden said: “At the end of the day, there’s a fundamental difference between Barack Obama and John McCain, and Joe Biden and Sarah Palin. And it’s literally this basic in my opinion –”
Biden was suddenly interrupted when an audience member yelled “brains!”
As the crowd laughed in approval, Biden paused.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/10/oh-that...

chattyway, be careful or I will lump you in with Natasha.
It is YOU, in your willful ignorance, “re-writing” Obama’s words. BY RE-WRITING THEM.

“I’m tired of Obamabots trying to rewrite Obama’s racist comments he wrote in his book. Let’s get this straight Obama did say alot of racist ugly things against whites and hispanics. Good thing I am an Indian, maybe Obama won’t be so racist against me if he get in but I doubt it. ”
And on that note…What do Louis Farrakhan, Pastor Wright and Khalid al-Monsour all have in common…they are all friends of Obama and they all hate white and Jewish people

chattyway – it is not the supporters of Senator Obama who re-write his words – it is people like you who cannot read or interpret words as they were originally written. Are you one of those “low-information” voters that McCain keeps talking about?

Oh, how young you must be to not understand the consequences of where Obama and his associates want to take you. People fled to this country many years ago to get away from socialistic ideas and oppression. Look at the people that surround Obama. Look them up on the internet and see where their heart and soul lies. Their hatred for this country is shameful. Be wary of those who condemn this great country like Ayers, Farrakhan,Pflger, and Wright.

“Natasha and Chattywack are members of the smear squad designated By Sarah Palin to invade all liberal websites and thrash all Obama supporters.”
They should do a better job, then.

“We have to do *something* to feel useful; all the jobs got shipped overseas.”
Did your job get shipped overseas?

I’m tired of Obamabots trying to rewrite Obama’s racist comments he wrote in his book. Let’s get this straight Obama did say alot of racist ugly things against whites and hispanics. Good thing I am an Indian, maybe Obama won’t be so racist against me if he get in but I doubt it.
Posted by: chattyway | Oct 14, 2008 11:54:19 PM
where is your proof? misquotes from a book that i doubt that you read? read the book and quote actual quotes from it.

Hey Obamabots, can you explain to me again exactly what Obama wants to teach 5 years old about sex. It seems he and Ayers were on all these foundations and that the foundations are geared toward early childhood education with the kids doing worse after these two idiots get involved in their education.

Obama’s Campaign Lies About ACORN
By Larry Johnson No Quarter:
“We broke the story about the Obama Campaign’s mysterious payment of more than $800,000 to Citizen Services Inc. The payments ostensibly were for “STAGING, SOUND, and LIGHTING.” A reporter for the Pittsburgh Tribune, David Brown, agreed to look into the matter and was told by the Obama campaign:
U.S. Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential campaign paid more than $800,000 to an offshoot of the liberal Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now for services the Democrat’s campaign says it mistakenly misrepresented in federal reports.
An Obama spokesman said Federal Election Commission reports would be amended to show Citizens Services Inc. — a subsidiary of ACORN — worked in “get-out-the-vote” projects, instead of activities such as polling, advance work and staging major events as stated in FEC finance reports filed during the primary.
But that is a lie. Citizen Services passed the money to ACORN. I know this because the head of Citizen Services told me so. As I reported previously:
Thanks to the internet I finally tracked him down in Minnesota and gave him a call. Mr. Alabi answered the phone and I introduced myself using my real name. But I did tell a white lie–I said I got his name and number from Bob Shrum at the Democratic National Committee. He hesitated. When I repeated that I got his name and number from the DNC he brightened up and became quite chatty. Using the Obama FEC filing as my guide I told Mr. Alabi that I needed to hire Citizen Services to help my campaign with “Staging, Sound, and Lighting.” Without a moments hesitation Mr. Alabi told me, “we don’t do that.” He went on to identify ACORN as the organization that handles those matters and he told me to contact Marc Seiden (he gave me a cell phone number for Mr. Seiden, which is a District of Columbia cell phone).
He made it clear in the conversation that they did not do the work for the Obama campaign, but that the work was done by ACORN. It is incumbent on the FEC to audit this money and see where it went. Why? We are not dealing with just “one” organization. ACORN has erected an elaborate web of front organizations that allow it to hide its influence and reach. I did a quick search of the internet using the New Orleans address of ACORN. Guess what I found? Almost three hundred organizations connected to ACORN. Well, I would like you to look at the following list of ACORN related organizations that share the same address as ACORN. TWO HUNDRED AND NINETY FOUR names. Got that?
This is a tangled web that defies the ability of any one person or organization to figure out who is working for whom. Carnival workers use three cups on a table to trick the public into guessing where they hid the pea. Here ACORN has 290 plus “cups” to use to hide their financial and organizational shenanigans.
Here are the names. The beauty of the internet is that enterprising lone investigators can go to work without having to organize a full blown government investigation.
Search: Public Records : Corporate Filings Search

Linda/Michigan – sorry, 67-year old white female great-grandmother here. And I understand perfectly what Senator Obama can do fo this country that McCain will never be able to do. You people keep bringing up names that have hashed and re-hashed in the news. They have been debunked time and time, again. Yet you hang on to those names because you have nothing else to put forth that has any substance.
let’s take a look at some of McCain’s great associates. William Timmons, the Washington lobbyist who John McCain has named to head his presidential transition team, aided an influence effort on behalf of Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein to ease international sanctions against his regime. The two lobbyists who Timmons worked closely with over a five year period on the lobbying campaign later either pleaded guilty to or were convicted of federal criminal charges that they had acted as unregistered agents of Saddam Hussein’s government. His campaign is infiltrated with former lobbyists, his camapign chairman still has ties to Freddie and Fannie. McCain was for ACRON before he was against it – even delivered the 2006 keynote speech for the organization and commented about how the people there were what makes America great, his ties to Ayers and to his campaign have more validity then the nonsense people like you and natashsa and chattyway spout. And hate for country? Palin, the separatist!!! Your arguments are moot.

“Hey Obamabots, can you explain to me again exactly what Obama wants to teach 5 years old about sex.”
chattyway, do you really want me to? Because I can.
That legislation was aimed at teaching young children how to recognize sex offenders who might try to abuse them or molest them. It was very similar to the same program that Reagan suported in the 1980s (do you remember the public service ads about “he tried to touch me where the bathing suit covers”?).
Anyway, there you go.