By Dschabner

Oct 26, 2008 9:09pm

McCain on Liberal D.C. Rule: ‘Grab Ahold of Your Wallets!’

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., tonight in Lancaster, Ohio, just furthered the divided government argument we discussed earlier today:

"You know, we get an Obama, Reid, Pelosi combo in Washington, we’re in trouble," McCain said, per ABC News’ Ron Claiborne and Bret Hovell. "Grab a hold of your wallets!"

- jpt

User Comments

I actually disagree with Sen. McCain on this one. You won’t be able to hold onto your wallet because the Democrats will be holding it for you!

Posted by: James Danley | October 26, 2008, 9:13 pm 9:13 pm

Ya, the Republicon rule has really helped us out, hasn’t it?

Posted by: Truth Matters | October 26, 2008, 9:15 pm 9:15 pm

We’re so afraid of change all we can do is moan and gron about it….

Posted by: jozy | October 26, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

Funny, Republicans didn’t seem to have a problem when they controlled the White House, Senate and Congress. We all know how that turned out!

Posted by: Shaun Witten | October 26, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

I love the Republicans…asking us to hold on to our wallets if a Democrat gets elected. Who sent the country into a recession? Who got us into a war that costs millions each day? Who bloated the federal government to a size never seen in history? Hint…it wasn’t the Democrats. It’s time to chuck those old never-been-true cliches and tell the truth. The Republicans cost millions their jobs, their houses and their future. It’ll take a Democrat to clean up their mess and give us our prosperity back.

Posted by: alwriter | October 26, 2008, 9:24 pm 9:24 pm

Even Gingrich joked last week that he voted against Kerry because he was worried about trillion dollar deficits, big government, etc.
It’s a laugh to think that now, suddenly, the Republicans can stop themselves after having caught the spending bug.

Posted by: MIguy | October 26, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm

A Lesson in Obamaeconomics..
(no this didn’t happen to me, but I can’t wait to try it out in practice)
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read “Vote Obama, I need the money.” I laughed.
Once in the restaurant my server had on a “Obama 08″ tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference — just imagine the coincidence.
When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept.
He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need–the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I’ve decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful.
At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient needed the money more.
“I guess that the redistribution of wealth thing is easier to swallow as a concept than in practical application.”

Posted by: eddie O | October 26, 2008, 9:31 pm 9:31 pm

why dont mccain just throw a tantrum—lay on the floor kick his feet and scream—–HE HAS TRIED EVERYTHING LESS.
LIES, DECIET,SLANDER ,RACE BAITING,SCARE TACTIC,HE WILL RAISE YOUR TAXES TACTICS,ANYTHING BUT THE TRUTH, pals around with terrorists,starting to look like mental issues,it woul have been nice to see an honest campaign.instead of trying to protect the wealthy.and hide his own shortcomings.

Posted by: rodney | October 26, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

McCain’s words, as usual, are belied by his proposals and record. He says whatever he thinks will work at the moment and assumes that we’re a nation of morons who’ve forgetten what he said the day before. This “hold onto your wallets” stuff comes from the man who:
voted for the $700 billion Wall Street bailout (and partial “socialization” of nine of the country’s largest banks),
has voted for Bush’s record breaking budgets and is eager to keep spending $10 billion per month in Iraq,
proposes to spend $300 billion to buy up mortgages from banks so that the taxpayers get stuck paying the difference between the “bubble” and actual values.
wants to “spread the wealth” by providing health care tax credits financed by taxing my health care benefits.
says that he’s going to take a meat cleaver to the budget while his running mate proposes a $50 billion program for special needs children.
What a shameless, flailing hypocrite. When McCain/Palin accuse their opponents of doing something, it’s probably because they’re already doing it themselves.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 26, 2008, 9:34 pm 9:34 pm

Is this the same empty wallet from the last eight years McCain wants me to hold onto?

Posted by: pamp205 | October 26, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Sorry, John – but my wallet, and my savings accounts were in a whole lot better shape under Clinton than they were under Bush – and so were most Americans. And you have been with Phil Gramm and George Bush evrey step of the way.
How long are people going to believe these lies?

Posted by: Mara | October 26, 2008, 9:36 pm 9:36 pm

mccain does not find a problem with 5% of us having 85% of the money.i guess in his rich book charity begins at home—the home of the wealthy.

Posted by: rodney | October 26, 2008, 9:41 pm 9:41 pm

mccain would take from the middle class and call the poor class beggers,where have we seen that happen before.3rd world countries??

Posted by: rodney | October 26, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

Anyone who was plugged in at the beginning of the 2008 election knew the possibility of total Democratic control on Capitol Hill was a possibility.
What people didn’t anticipate is how Obama has been able to galvanize support for his entire party! Never underestimate a brillant young senator!
YES HE CAN!

Posted by: clarity | October 26, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

OH McCain! stop being chicken little ,
i know you wanted to keep the tax breaks for the WEALTHY intact just like your masters cheney/george bush.
I guess this is your alarm to the rich.
But for us citizens with Democrats in power; will be happy to GRAB on to Universal healthcare, investment in infrastructure in states which will CREATE JOBS. do away with no child left behind and invest in REAL EDUCATION from early childcare. ENERGY the ENVIRONMENT… ETC.
finally as tax payers.. that money will see its way back to the people instead of starting unnecessary WARS and FREE CORPORATE welfare that ship jobs overseas.

Posted by: mel | October 26, 2008, 9:52 pm 9:52 pm

hang onto your wallets???after the last 8 years you can have my wallet ,and all the unpaid bills.freaking guy is nuts.

Posted by: rodney | October 26, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

eddie O: “At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient needed the money more.”
By your belief in ‘taxing’ the middle class and your clear position in the upper, served class, I would guess you’re a true Republican (as if the smugness didn’t give it away).

Posted by: jhw539 | October 26, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

McCAIN WOULD ACTUALLY COST MORE THAN OBAMA
Changes proposed by Obama’s campaign would mean the national debt would grow by $5.7 trillion over 10 years, while proposals spelled out by McCain’s campaign would add $7.4 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center.
If you add up proposals made in stump speeches, the total 10-year debt increase comes to $5.4 trillion for Obama and $10.9 trillion for McCain.

Posted by: Truth Hurts the GOP | October 26, 2008, 9:57 pm 9:57 pm

Obama is not trustworthy, he broke his word on campaign finance and saying he wouldn’t wear the flag pin. He’s a fake.
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Posted by: Billw | October 26, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

By your belief in ‘taxing’ the middle class and your clear position in the upper, served class, I would guess you’re a true Republican (as if the smugness didn’t give it away).
————————
Nice.
I was thinking the exact same thing.
Going to hear Obama Tuesday! Voting for him the following Tuesday!

Posted by: VA for Obama! | October 26, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

Obama is not trustworthy, he broke his word on campaign finance and saying he wouldn’t wear the flag pin.
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McCain broke his word on running a respectable campaign, the Bush tax cuts, a woman’s right to chose, immigration, and certainly lied about putting his country first.
I think I’ll get over the flag pin.

Posted by: Oh no! Not the flag pin! | October 26, 2008, 10:03 pm 10:03 pm

i see once again abc dont allow all the truth on here…hope they are not protecting mccain.

Posted by: rodney | October 26, 2008, 10:14 pm 10:14 pm

Oh, all those poor rich people! It is such a burden to have all that money, how can we make them suffer with taxes on top of all of the pain they already endure?

Posted by: Mike | October 26, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm

Oh no! Not the flag pin!:
“McCain broke his word on running a respectable campaign, the Bush tax cuts, a woman’s right to chose, immigration, and certainly lied about putting his country first.”
OK supply references, then I’ll do the same,otherwise you are a fake like your hero Obama.
.

Posted by: Billw | October 26, 2008, 10:21 pm 10:21 pm

The noncredible extremism on this board is a good example of why McCain is behind. We moderates/independents aren’t willing to trust a campaign that dehumanizes other Americans and that makes outlandish claims.

Posted by: thorfinn | October 26, 2008, 10:22 pm 10:22 pm

LMAO! Our nation is 10 trillion in debt and I have lost 40% of my investments under a Republican President. 6 years of which the Republicans had majorities in the House and Senate too and McCain is telling us to watch our wallets?.? OMG! The Republicans already stole them!

Posted by: Paige | October 26, 2008, 10:26 pm 10:26 pm

Obama simply cannot deliver on the promises that he is making. You will find out that $250K will quickly become $150K and that the hard working middle class will be the ones asked to be patriotic and “Spread the wealth around”.

Posted by: MBNA Joe | October 26, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

McCain has been a long series of contradictions. He’s battling himself and the Obama-Biden Ticket.
He said at the last debate that he didn’t care about some old, washed up “terrorist”. Yet, he continues to bring him up. He supported the Bush spending and bad policy decisions and now is attacking the very same stuff he supports. He has admitted on numerous occasions that he knows nothing about the economy but has an ecomonic plan that will work. He went out and created his own celebrity press after accusing Obama of being one.
Ifyou hold on long enough, McCain will become what he criticizes as he has been doing.

Posted by: George | October 26, 2008, 10:32 pm 10:32 pm

Worried about Obama… I am worried about Palin.
She’s been famous for like a month…
And she’s already ego tripping. Blowing lots of cash, telling tall tales, and backstabbing the prince who lifted her out of Cinderella-land.
I don’t want her anywhere near the White House.

Posted by: blip | October 26, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

McCain: “Grab ahold of your walker!”
NICE ONE, GRAMPS!
LOL

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 26, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

Concerned in Ohio…
If you think we are living in some kind of far-left dystopia…
How do you define “middle of the road”?
The Michigan Militia? Mussolini? Or are they too lefty for you.

Posted by: blip | October 26, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

If you are a small business owner and are considering voting for Obama, you really need to educate yourself on his “Play or pay” health care proposal. If you were a small business owner and were forced by the government to provide health care to all of your employees at at least $12K a year, what would you do? Say you have 10 employees. Do you: A) Fork over the $120K out of your profit margin? Or B) layoff 2 or 3 people so it comes out of their hide instead of yours? If I were an employer, I would take option B…and you can bet your arse that there thousands of small businesses that will be doing the same thing. Either that or they will be fined! See that’s the “Pay” part of their catchy little phrase. Look for lots of layoffs if Obama gets in.

Posted by: MBNA Joe | October 26, 2008, 10:36 pm 10:36 pm

How is this new? This is the same tired, stupid arguement he has been making all election. And it might work if his party hadn’t just oversaw the largest expansion of the deficet in our history and capped it off with nationalizing our entire financial system.

Posted by: blakec | October 26, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

And under a far-left Congress with a 9% approval rating. Which, for some strange reason, will do better if they get a far-left President.
__________________________________________
Look forward to them getting something DONE!
Oh – and don’t start w/the Socialist BS. McCain and company have already bought into the GOP double standard talking points on socialism. I’m loving our nationalized banks…… and to think – McCain wants to deregulate the healthcare system just like the banks.

Posted by: Paige | October 26, 2008, 10:42 pm 10:42 pm

Wake up, people.Some Democratic Congress members have discussed seizing 401(k)s and putting them in a government account that would yield three percent. Forever.
Cavuto says that Congress is also considering eliminating the tax breaks for 401(k)s. This of course would discourage any savings at all against your own future. As it is, far too many Americans live on credit and don’t save a penny. That would discourage EVERYBODY from saving. After all, this is also not only going to affect the “richest five percent”. This affects every workng American with a 401(k) or IRA. It doesn’t, however, affect wild-eyed young people looking for some hopey-changey excitement while their parents support them.

Posted by: BR | October 26, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

Thanks to Bush our wallets are empty!

Posted by: Gus | October 26, 2008, 10:47 pm 10:47 pm

I am so tired of hearing about a flagpin!

Posted by: clarity | October 26, 2008, 10:48 pm 10:48 pm

Why-hasn’t-’plain’-Sara-Palin-talked-about
her-implementation-of-the-Alaska-cruise-
ship-tax-on-every-cruise-ship-passenger-
that-sails-into-Alaskan-territorial-waters
including-infants-&-elderly?-
Isn’t-that-a-tax?

Posted by: tree-of-life | October 26, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

Concerned in Ohio: You describe yourself as center-right.
I agree – you’re smack in the center of the EXTREMIST right.
Doesn’t matter. Your party’s TOAST.

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 26, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

Republicans have just established consecutive monumental deficits – running up billions and billions of additional debt.
Where the hell did they think the money was going to come from? The moon?
8 years was enough!
The Republicans are about to get the boot. They’ve devastated the country and now they’re trying to blame the Democrats in advance.
Sorry Republicans, we’ve already seen your fiscal responsibility and it was the middle and lower income groups who suffered income loss – and the very rich who made off like bandits.
Republicans will be rightfully voted out of office.

Posted by: pefros | October 26, 2008, 10:51 pm 10:51 pm

The trouble is there is nothing left in our wallets. This Republican administration has managed to spend our dollars on the war, Haliburton, Blackwater….and then they even spent our kid’s money on Wall Street. So what can the Dems do thats any worse?

Posted by: yybbbaa | October 26, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

Thanks to Bush our wallets are empty!
********************************************
I don’t even carry a wallet thanks to Bush. Just a coin purse – that’s all I have left which reminds me everyday….
TIME FOR CHANGE!
Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Amy | October 26, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

James Danley complained that the “You won’t be able to hold onto your wallet because the Democrats will be holding it for you!” Well, in a McCain/Palin administration you won’t have to worry about that because nobody could afford wallets. Their administration would be no different than four more years of Bush, except we’d be paying a lot more for Queen Palin and her families clothes.

Posted by: algwriter | October 26, 2008, 10:56 pm 10:56 pm

I’ve already cast my vote for Obama, but I realize this isn’t over yet. If by some chance, McCain is elected president, I ask all those who supported Obama to pray with me. Pray really hard every day for the health of John McCain. Talk to God and ask him to watch over and keep John McCain in good health. Pray like you’ve never prayed before! Because if we were to lose McCain any time in the next four years, that shallow, right wingnut, superficial, political hack ex-beauty queen, would find herself overmatched from day one! It’s different being an attack dog speaking from talking points and actually having to deal with the issues the president will be facing the next few years. She’ll have to know more about Russia (and Iran, Iraq, North Korea etc.)than she can see it from her house!
If she serves, then say this prayer….. God help us all!

Posted by: Let Us Pray | October 26, 2008, 11:01 pm 11:01 pm

it is impossible to say a positive word about Sarah Palin.
Thanks for your free and open minded forum. Jake A…..

Posted by: e pluribus union | October 26, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

Has an American administration EVER plundered the wallets of Americans as the still sitting GOP one?
Just look at the incredible national debt that we all share. The money in all wallets is almost an optical illusion against the background if that debt.
Bush’s budgets have been catastrophic for this country. And McCain supported and voted for them. About 95% of Bush’s economic policies have been supported by McCain.
McCain has lost the possibility to sincerely claim ANY authority on the economy, and to attack an economic policy all of America profited from when during the most recent Democratic administration.
Remember? We had a budget surplus under “”tax and spend”" Clinton. The middle class was doing better than in any decade of the 20th century. And then Bush came… a TOTAL disaster.

Posted by: pete | October 26, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

I would rather have to look after holding on to my wallet, than
needing to try and hold on to the son and daugther that i have loved, reared and nurtured.
only to see them killed in wars.

Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz | October 26, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

If Palin would become President, we’d have a military coup in this country. Our generals fear her ignorance the MOST.
So thank God that Obama will be POTUS for eight years to come.

Posted by: hazel | October 26, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

BR: “Wake up, people.Some Democratic Congress members have discussed seizing 401(k)s and putting them in a government account that would yield three percent. Forever.”
Citation please. I have heard no comments about seizing assets, only changing the tax exemption code. Lets try to deal in reality rather than partisan fear mongering.

Posted by: jhw539 | October 26, 2008, 11:10 pm 11:10 pm

Cavuto says? Cavuto says? Cavuto says?
Who cares what Cavuto says? Who even believes what Cavuto says? He carried Bushs’ water for 8 years on FIX News why wouldn’t he carry water for McCain to get him elected? That bunch of “so called” market whizzes on FOX would be preaching for full free market until the market dropped to 2000!
Your wizzard Cavuto was one of the de-regulation geeks who preached the sermons that helped get us where we are today!

Posted by: Cavuto | October 26, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Just voted for Obama without conviction. McCain really sounds like he is grasping at straws. When you are playing defense with 8 days to go you really are in trouble. If you want to scream socialism please go to Siberia where no one can here you scream!!! Sure is easy to scream socialism from your couch, but to actually live it would be a different situation. If heaven forbid John McSame dropped dead guess who is president, Oh wait we already had a VP run the country for 8 years before and look where it got us.
Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Doug | October 26, 2008, 11:14 pm 11:14 pm

McCain apparently thinks that all of his supporters are stupid.

Posted by: Flash Override | October 26, 2008, 11:17 pm 11:17 pm

McCain said today that he was going to win. LOL.
I guess that’s because he can’t use ‘the google’ and look up the Electoral Projections sites out there.
His advisers won’t tell him the truth for they fear his terrible outbursts of anger and his scandalous cursing.
Of the 87 electoral projection sites on the Internet, 86 show that Obama will win. 62 of them have Obama leading in states with already more than 300 votes.
But don’t tell McCain. He’ll explode. Let the old man enjoy the race as long as it lasts. Pretty soon he’ll be lost in the boredom of his retirement.

Posted by: kiss | October 26, 2008, 11:19 pm 11:19 pm

Sadly John McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin has badly damaged his credibility on all subjects pertaining to the well-being of the American people.
A McCain source on Palin (from CNN, today, “Palin’s Going Rogue”):
“Her lack of fundamental understanding of some key issues was dramatic,” said another McCain source with direct knowledge of the process to prepare Palin after she was picked. The source said it was probably the “hardest” to get her “up to speed than any candidate in history.”
If McCain can’t pick a decent VP, it’s time for him to leave the stage.

Posted by: Danny | October 26, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

I wish McCain a long and enjoyable retirement.

Posted by: Danny | October 26, 2008, 11:32 pm 11:32 pm

“why dont mccain just throw a tantrum—lay on the floor kick his feet and scream—–HE HAS TRIED EVERYTHING LESS.”
Rodney, you’re absolutely correct. That’s just what McCain used to do as a kid, and he hasn’t managed to control his anger or sense of entitlement since then.
Even if it weren’t for his lies and demagoguery, the man is just too unstable to be president.

Posted by: Russell | October 26, 2008, 11:38 pm 11:38 pm

The Dems will sure be disappointed when they find out my wallet is empty because of McCain and his cohorts.

Posted by: fivepin | October 26, 2008, 11:41 pm 11:41 pm

The truth is that the R’s have had a lock on the marketing machine over a number of election cycles. Brand Obama is definitely giving them a run for the money. Isn’t it time to vote for Brand Obama? He’s a special brand. It’s Brand Obama’s turn to get paid.

Posted by: WestCoastMessenger | October 26, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Barack Obama is going to lower your taxes. He is going to lower your taxes by getting you thrown into the unemployment line.

Posted by: Obamacrat for McCain | October 26, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

“It would have been illegal during most of the 20th century, but eight years ago Congress gave Wall Street an exemption and it has turned out to be a very bad idea.”
Hmmmm who had control of the Congress 8 years ago and does anyone remember WHO wanted to put our social securities in the stock market to pad their portfolios?

Posted by: doug | October 26, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

John Mccain is going to break your heart
he has tried to run on a platform of being heavy on national security. and he thinks most of the world is a threat.
so if barack is goind to empty your wallet.
mccain is going to break your heart
by killing your sons and daughters trying to WIN the war-the war we should never have been in-in the first place.
so if your think it will be obma taking your wallet
it will be mccain taking a loved ones life.
money or life?

Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz | October 26, 2008, 11:54 pm 11:54 pm

Jake, THIS if fun:
TAMPA, Fla. (CNN) — Ensuring that news of the Republican National Committee’s sartorial spending spree will remain in the headlines for at least one more news cycle, Sarah Palin on Sunday sounded off on the $150,000 wardrobe that was purchased for her in September, denouncing the report as “ridiculous” and declaring emphatically: “Those clothes, they are not my property.”
A senior adviser to John McCain told CNN’s Dana Bash that the comments about her wardrobe “were not the remarks we sent to her plane this morning.”
(report from Ben Smith, The Politico)Rogue

Posted by: Rogue | October 26, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

The good news is that if you don’t like this message from McCain, you just have to wait another day or two and he’ll have a new one. Or, just maybe, the problem is that he never had one and his running mate’s best attempt is “boo”. Just in time for halloween…

Posted by: MIguy | October 26, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

“GRAB AHOLD OF YOUR GIMMICKS!!!”
LOL

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 26, 2008, 11:59 pm 11:59 pm

Wake up McCain! We’ve already lost our wallets!
But what do you care? You’re married to a millionaire, have 7 houses and 13 cars.

Posted by: cincyr | October 27, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

Do not blame the Democrats for the condition the Republicans have gotten our country into. Is McCain going to bail us out with Cindy’s money, even if he tried Cindy could never come up with that kind of money. I will never ever consider to vote for McCain or Queen Sarah. I do not have any respect for a liar and a cheat. If he should win, it will be because he is also a thief. I pray to God that he will deliver us from all of the darkness, and into the light.

Posted by: mary | October 27, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

NEXT GIMMICK, PLEASE – this one’s already worn out.
OBAMA = PREZ
McCAIN = TOAST

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 27, 2008, 12:07 am 12:07 am

ConcernedOhio: blah blah blah cutpaste blah blah cutpaste.

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 27, 2008, 12:11 am 12:11 am

Concerned in OH, I’ve never seen that text, and it’s certainly interesting, but the obvious question is: How is it relevant to the story?

Posted by: alex | October 27, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

Concerned in OH . .. you oughta be talking to George W. Bush and Richard Cheney about taking them to court and sending them to jail . ..
If you were at all serious about your concern about damage to the Constitution.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am

Oh, it was an Obama quote? How about that?
I don’t generally bother reading long cut/paste posts.
IT ALL SOUNDS PERFECTLY REASONABLE TO ME – WHAT’S YOUR POINT?

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 27, 2008, 12:21 am 12:21 am

Republicans are not fiscally conservative. The biggest increases in the debt have come on GOP watches and Bush was just out of control.
It’s time to give the other team a chance.

Posted by: bubba | October 27, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am

You know, the other night in the debate with Senator Obama, I said his eloquence is admirable, but pay attention to his words. We talk about offshore drilling and he said he would quote, consider, offshore drilling. We talked about nuclear power, well it has to be safe, environment, blah, blah, blah.”
***************************************
Well after we all have radiation poisoning, and no health care who cares.
Does this guy have any common sense at all?

Posted by: Thinking | October 27, 2008, 12:25 am 12:25 am

McSAME OLD Garbage from the Greedy OLD Party…This is getting BORING after the last 50 years!!! RepubliCONs say something, anything new???? You people are DINOSAURS!!!

Posted by: m | October 27, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

You know, I’m sick to death of hearing people complain about the war when they’ve had nothing to do with it. Oh, we have to get out. You know, they said that in Vietnam and we left. Know what happened? The people that helped us were slaughtered along with two million Cambodians. The Dems, and peaceniks, just walked away. It’s easy to complain when you don’t have to serve. Did you serve, did someone you know serve, did it cost you anything? Or are you just sitting back on that fat back side of yours complaining about something you know nothing about. My husband spent a year in Vietnam, fighting to keep you safe. He got three planes shot out from under him so you could sit there with your beer in one hand and your remote in the other, drinking in all the nonsense Obama is spewing. Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves to see how easily your willing to give up the freedoms they fought to give you. I’m sick to death of your whining. What are you going to do when you find out all those promises the King made are nothing but hot air? What will you say when the businesses he taxes decide to leave the country and your job is gone. Companies don’t pay taxes, we do. When companies get taxed they lay off workers, and close down plants. The Republicans didn’t cause this money problem, the Dems did. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and now you want them to fix it. I’ve finely discovered who the Piped Piper is. It’s Obama and you’re the mindless rabble that are following him over the cliff. Will don’t come to us to bail you out. The Dems make a mess and then we Rep. have to come clean it up. Well, this time you’re going to have to lay in it. Sadly your short sightedness, will hurt us as well. That’s what’s really sad about all this. You’ll drag us all down.

Posted by: B.Stan | October 27, 2008, 12:27 am 12:27 am

Mccain as soon as he becomes president will work proudly with pelosi and reid to get pass the amnesty for illegals which he co-authored McCain the way he has condusted his campaign he will be doing more to appease the other side when it comes to budget, mccain the free marketeer he is will be signing free trade agreements with countries like colombia nicaragua and will be sending more american jobs overseas.

Posted by: jaime | October 27, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am


Sadly John McCain’s pick of Sarah Palin has badly damaged his credibility on all subjects pertaining to the well-being of the American people.
A McCain source on Palin (from CNN, today, “Palin’s Going Rogue”):
“Her lack of fundamental understanding of some key issues was dramatic,” said another McCain source with direct knowledge of the process to prepare Palin after she was picked. The source said it was probably the “hardest” to get her “up to speed than any candidate in history.”
If McCain can’t pick a decent VP, it’s time for him to leave the stage.”
That is for sure.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

I have never seen a Republican turn down a SS check, An unemployment check, A disability check, a retirement check a stimulus check, a government pay check, not drive on a highway, or a Congressional retirement or health care, after two years service.
I have seen them evade taxes, bring home earmarks so they get public support, ask other to pay taxes, in general use public funds to promote themselves.

Posted by: Thinking | October 27, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

B.Stan:
>The Republicans didn’t cause this money problem, the Dems did. Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, and now you want them to fix it.
The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that one party is responsible is just political grandstanding. Even claiming that only politicians are responsible is staggeringly naive.
Second, my father served in Vietnam, losing his left leg and 2 fingers on his left arm. He was, and remains, a Democrat. Plenty of people that served (and died) in Vietnam are Democrats. I’ll be charitable and assume you’re a troll. If you’re not, with all due respect, try to sound less vile next time.

Posted by: alex | October 27, 2008, 12:36 am 12:36 am

“Barack Obama has opened up an eight-point lead over Republican John McCain in Virginia, and the Democrat is entering the final week of the campaign with several core advantages when it comes to turning out his supporters, according to a new Washington Post poll.”

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am

“A flood of new state polls the last couple of days — virtually one new survey an hour — has widened the hypothetical Electoral College lead of Barack Obama to its largest size yet, according to the latest state poll research published today by Karl Rove & Co.
Obama now holds 317 electoral votes to 157 for John McCain-Sarah Palin ticket, and 64 more votes remain in the tossup category.”

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

Obama is actually now up 21 point in California according to convervative Karl Rove & Co.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

In 1986, as a result of a Republican led tax cut my tax bill went up $2000.00 on a salary of $26,000.00 (I received no pay increase over the previous year because of an economic downturn in Iowa.
After the Bush / Republican tax cut we were given a few years ago my tax bill went up $2000.00 over the preceding year. I had received an $800.00 pay raise.
The Republicans talk about less taxes, but the code seems to become more convoluted and results in a tax increase for the middle-class. Each year after the Bush tax cuts I have had more and more taken out of my pay check for income taxes by having to change deductions on my W-4 to none. Before said tax cuts I would usually have around $800.00 refunded—curious isn’t it? I no longer get a refund, but always must send in a check for around $600.00. I’ve had to “hold on to my wallet” during the Republican administration.

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am

John McCain just doesn’t look like a well man – not physically, mentally or emotionally. He has a long-standing reputation for violent outbursts of anger. And we saw it in his demeanour during the debates. He just seems disturbed.
Nobody wants a disturbed man in the office of the president.
And the fall back to Sarah Palin is equally scary and idiotic.
It’s simply a losing ticket – especially on the heels of 8 years of Republicans in the White House. It’s just not going to fly.
The electorate will boot the Republicans out of office. It will be a Democratic landslide win.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

Democrats have only a 1,000 vote advantage !”
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Don’t be silly all that says is that 1,000 more Democrats have voted so to that date then Republicans. That is 104,000 Republicans voted 105,000 Democrats. It is not results. No one knows how they voted.

Posted by: Thinking | October 27, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am

“wouldn’t become. Correction.”
TOO FUNNY.
‘Concerned’ can’t even keep track of who he wants to exterminate.
TYPICAL REPUB.
*** TOAST ***

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 27, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am

I checked my wallet, and it’s already been emptied by borrow and spend Republicans. At least Democrats have the sense to try to cover their spending. And a quick look at Census Bureau stats shows that the top 10% of this country have been skimming off double their share of wealth. Now that’s redistribution – Republican style.

Posted by: Vietnam Vet | October 27, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am

You look back and Obama is looking ahead…Big differnce >

Posted by: ME | October 27, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am

“I checked my wallet, and it’s already been emptied by borrow and spend Republicans. At least Democrats have the sense to try to cover their spending. And a quick look at Census Bureau stats shows that the top 10% of this country have been skimming off double their share of wealth. Now that’s redistribution – Republican style.”
Exactly VV. Thanks.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am

The Republican idea of social spending is called YOYO – you’re on your own. No health care, no pensions, no jobs paying decent wages, no public education. Just like the middle ages when the royal rich ran things. Hey, wait a minute, THEY’RE BACK!

Posted by: Vietnam Vet | October 27, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

pefros: you’re welcome.

Posted by: Vietnam Vet | October 27, 2008, 1:26 am 1:26 am

Pefros: yes, it’s true about my tax bill. Last year I asked my employer to take an additional $100.00 out for taxes each month and I still had to send in $320.00 to IRS for my 2007 income tax.

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am

Explosive video,
headlined on Drudge,
Obama laments constitutional constraints on……
WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION
via the courts,
but happily suggests that’s what the legislature is for.
I see why Biden was so touchy on the “is Obama a Marzist” question. It hit a little too close to home.
Obama IS a Marxist. That’s scary.

Posted by: biff | October 27, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am

Concerned in Ohio – yes exactly the top 10% have double their share of the wealth under Republicans.
It`s their not so subtle form of redistribution of the wealth, and it comes in many forms not the least of which were massive tax breaks from the Bush Republicans to the wealthiest of the wealthy.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am

A gentleman whose family immigrated to the USA from Switzerland before WWII wrote a letter to the editor of the Dallas Morning News a few weeks ago in which he suggested that we should think in terms of how much a person has left after taxes rather than percentages.
He pointed out that highest taxation level during WWII was around 70% (I don’t know if that is true or not), but a person taxed at that rate on $1,000,000.00 would have $300,000.00 to live on after taxes (of course in 1940 that was worth more than it is today).
$1,000,000.00 taxed at 35% would leave $650,000.00 to live on.
$42,000 taxed at 20% would leave $33,800.00 to live on.
If the tax rate on $42,000.00 is reduced by 5% to 15% that would leave $35,700.00 to live on.
I don’t know how all of this will work itself out, I just present this for people to think about.

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 1:46 am 1:46 am

We have seen very directed redistribution of the wealth for the last 8 years under the Bush Republicans.
The wealth got redistributed to the top 10% wealthiest, and at real losses to the middle and low income groups.
The Republicans are geting the boot from the electorate – it will be a Democratic landslide win. Enough is enough.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am

No concerned in OH it hasn’t worked out very well. We’ve seen the results over the past 8 years of Republican governement.
Billions and Billions of dollars rung up in deficits by Republicans.
Who did they think was going to pay for it? 7/11 workers? Macdonalds restaurant employees?

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am

The founding fathers built into the Constitution the procedures for “correcting” or “clarifying” by making amendments. Congress approved 12 ammendments in 1789. It was two years later that Virginia ratified ten of these and permitted The Bill of Rights to become part of American law. The proposed 11th Amendment never was ratified and the proposed 12th was ratified by the states as the 27th Amendment in 1992. Fortunately the process requires considerable thought and debate. Ammendments cannot be added willy-nilly—on whim. The Ammendment that made alchohol sale illegal during the “roaring” 20s was recended.
The Constitution is not a static document. But it cannot be tampered with just because someone gets a new idea.
Winston Churchill (whose mother was an American citizen and whose father was British) said, “You can always count on America to do the right thing, once it has exhausted the alternatives.”

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am

Jesus said, “From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded, and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”
Luke reported, “All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. . . . There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.”
Obama said, “I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you–that they’ve got the chance at success, too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Coach A: Make sure all the members of the team get a chance to play in the game even if only for a few minutes. Doesn’t leave anyone sitting out on the bench for every game of the season.
Coach B: Only play the team members who you think will successfully win the game. Leave the others that aren’t “naturally” skilled sit on the bench.
Which coach would you prefer your son or daughter play under?

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

Over the last century, the American economy has fared better under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents. By every major economic measure- GDP, the Dow Jones, average income, quality of life index, unemployment, etc.- America has fared vastly better under Democrats.
There is no arguing it. The data is overwhelming.

Posted by: ElodieStClair | October 27, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am

“Messiah”, “Obamabot” . .. all the right-wing childish name calling … you Republicans are going to lose this election. Please try to grow up and take it like an adult.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

Sorry Concerned in OH, your name calling and such is pretty childish.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am

Barack Obama on Chicago Public Radio WBEZ-FM, 2001: The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society… and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that…
This is the guy you zombies want to be our president. Wake up already!!

Posted by: lee | October 27, 2008, 2:32 am 2:32 am

lee . . . .
We have seen very directed redistribution of the wealth for the last 8 years under the Bush Republicans.
The wealth got redistributed to the top 10% wealthiest, and at real losses to the middle and low income groups.
The Republicans are getting the boot from the electorate – it will be a Democratic landslide win. Enough is enough.

Posted by: pefros | October 27, 2008, 2:38 am 2:38 am

Who is robbing the wallets of the middle class and poor people? Bush-McCain-Palin! I have degrees in Economics and Finance. I earn over $50,000.00 a year. On election years during the Bush administration I have received $1.00 per month tax break in 2002, $2.00 per month, tax break in 2004, $1.00 per month tax break in 2006. On off election years during the Bush administration I received a tax increase of $100.00 per month in 2003, $200.00, per month tax increase in 2006, $300.00 dollar per month tax increase in 2008. This is a net tax increase during the Bush administration of $596.00 I pay per month. Republican’s and Independent’s how is this a tax break for the middle class and working poor? I pay $596.00 more per month in taxes since the Bush administration started giving huge tax cuts to the wealthiest people in this country. I have not changed tax brackets during the past 8 years. Do the math Republican’s and Independents if you earn under $250,000.00 your pay more taxes under the Bush-McCain-Palin plan and those who make more than $250,000.00 pay less taxes. Republican’s and Independent’s what part of the Bush-McCain-Palin huge tax decrease to the rich and huge tax increase to the middle class and working poor don’t you understand? Who is robbing the wallets of the middle class and working poor? It is Bush-McCain-Palin!

Posted by: James 321 | October 27, 2008, 3:16 am 3:16 am

Vietnam Vet,
Great comment on the economic situation of the USA.

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 3:21 am 3:21 am

Concerned in OH: If you really read and considered what I wrote, you might change your mind and switch to Coach A—I didn’t say his team was not a winning team, I said he allows all the team memebers “at least a few minutes” in the game. The idea is that one of those that Coach B keeps on the bench just might provide the impetus for team success. Now wouldn’t that benefit everyone?
No I’m not one of those who believe in altering grades so that everyone passes. But I do believe in making certain that all my students have a chance to succeed by rising to the highest level they are capable of.

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am

Concerned in OH:
Jesus said, “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Whatever you want for yourself and your family you will want for your neighbor. Our neighbor is anyone who lives on this planet.
I am one of those liberal-conservative, Christian, and gay Democrats who has already voted for Obama.

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 3:38 am 3:38 am

Oops I’m sorry Republican’s and Independent’s and Democrats I got some of my years wrong and left out one tax break in my previous posts. I worked 14 hours today so I ‘m a little bit tired. Who is robbing the wallets of the middle class and working poor? Bush-McCain-Palin! I have degrees in Economics and Finance. My net income is over $50,000.00 a year. On election years during the Bush administration I have received $1.00 per month tax break in 2002, $2.00 per month, tax break in 2004, $1.00 per month tax break in 2006 and in 2008 a $1.00 per month tax break. On off election years during the Bush administration I received a tax increase of $100.00 per month in 2003, $200.00, per month tax increase in 2005, $300.00 dollar per month tax increase in 2007. This is a net tax increase during the Bush administration of $595.00 I pay per month. Republican’s and Independent’s how is this a tax break for the middle class and working poor? I pay $595.00 more per month in taxes since the Bush administration started giving huge tax cuts to the wealthiest people in this country. I have not changed tax brackets during the past 8 years. Do the math Republican’s and Independents if you earn under $250,000.00 your pay more taxes under the Bush-McCain-Palin plan and those who make more than $250,000.00 pay less taxes. Republican’s and Independent’s what part of the Bush-McCain-Palin huge tax decrease to the rich and huge tax increase to the middle class and working poor don’t you understand? Who is robbing the wallets of the middle class and working poor? It is Bush-McCain-Palin!

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 3:48 am 3:48 am

Republican’s and Independent’s what part of the Bush-McCain-Palin huge tax decrease to the rich and huge tax increase to the middle class and working poor don’t you understand? Who is robbing the wallets of the middle class and working poor? It is Bush-McCain-Palin!
Posted by: James321 | Oct 27, 2008 3:48:32 AM
Most of it. They have been told by Geezer and Pitbull, Fox,etc giving money to the middle class is socialism, so it must be true.

Posted by: Jwench | October 27, 2008, 3:57 am 3:57 am

We the middle class and working poor can only hope and pray that the Republican’s of this country will learn to question the leaders of Republican party, the Republican owned lying propaganda machine and learn to discern and recognize the truth when they see it. Until then the Republican’s will remain ignorant, arrogant and fight for the destruction of the economy of the middle class and working poor like good little puppets of the top one half of one per cent of the richest people in this country.

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 4:02 am 4:02 am

What McCain said was pretty stupid considering most of our wallets are empty now and have been for 8 years!

Posted by: Jwench | October 27, 2008, 4:05 am 4:05 am

Why does McCain go to muslim country to adopt bridget mccain? Why does cindy mccain boast of charitable work in muslim countries like bosnia and kosovo? In these aweful financial times why does mccain want freetrade with colombia, is it because of his relationship to gordon liddy colombian terrorist? Does Palin pal around with alaskan terrorist separatist Vogler and AIP? These questions cannot be answered by mailing muslim hate dvds like ‘obsession’ to homes and churches in swing states.

Posted by: jaime | October 27, 2008, 4:33 am 4:33 am

Thanks to the Republican stupid trickle down voodoo economic policy..I many people do not even have wallets and if they do there is nothing inside. VOTE OBAMA/BIDEN

Posted by: Stanley | October 27, 2008, 5:18 am 5:18 am

Are people really considering voting for a man who supported Bush’s economic policies 90% of the time for eight long years and hoping that his policies would be starkly different? This is a sick country with some sick people!

Posted by: Stanley | October 27, 2008, 5:20 am 5:20 am

Obama’s Birth Certificate Sealed by Hawaii Governor
(FROM: WorldNetDaily)
Now, contrary to what some of you may believe, I am not a tin-foil hat kind of guy. Still, I find this to be strange, especially considering that the Illinois senator was just there a few days ago. At any rate, why not just produce the valid, vault copy and not only put an end to all of this, but come out looking better for having done so? If anything, Obama could turn it over and say something along the lines of “do you see how far people will go?” and come out smelling sweetly on the whole thing, but he doesn’t. Odd.
“HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii’s Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate’s birth certificate under seal, and instructed the state’s Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.
The governor’s office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.
“It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks,” wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor’s office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.
Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or “registrant” according to the legal description from the governor’s office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.”
WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama’s birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.
Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.
The source also refused to answer WND’s question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.
The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama’s original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.
SO NOW IT IS MORE CLEAR THAT B. OBAMA DOESN’T WANT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO KNOW THE TRUTH ABOUT HIS CITIZENSHIP.

Posted by: Hero | October 27, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am

Is it possible to support McCain and claim to be wise! That is the 64 thousand dollar question. Only the rich can make that claim..only the rich!

Posted by: s | October 27, 2008, 5:23 am 5:23 am

Good NEWS Obots WILL BE JOBLESS SOON

Posted by: Steave Cuozzo | October 27, 2008, 5:36 am 5:36 am

Some of the comments on this site reflect observations made by Richard Hofstadter in “The Paranoid Style in American Politics.”
“I call it the paranoid style simply because no other word adequately evokes the sense of heated exaggeration, suspiciousness, and conspiratorial fantasy that I have in mind.”
“The paranoid’s interpretation of history is distinctly personal: decisive events are not taken as part of the stream of history, but as the consequence of someone’s will. Very often the enemy is held to possess some especially effective source of power: he controls the press; has unlimited funds; he has a new secret for influencing the mind (brainwashing); he has a special technique for seduction.”
Hofstadter wrote that forty-four years ago. It could have been written yesterday.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 27, 2008, 5:50 am 5:50 am

Well Ollie,
you could have decided to divide the 10 up between the waiter and the homeless guy. that would have been fair, and just think you would have felt so much better.
and what about the spirit in behind your giving?

Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz | October 27, 2008, 6:40 am 6:40 am

and thank god you had 10dollars to give.

Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz | October 27, 2008, 6:41 am 6:41 am

At best this is an argument to vote in some Republican congressmen not the two dopes.

Posted by: MR. COFFEE | October 27, 2008, 6:44 am 6:44 am

Well, well, hold on to our wallets if obama gets in. I remember that the Republicans have held the wallets for quite awhile. I remember Bush’s dad saying NO NEW TAXES, guess what = TAX RAISE. This Bush gives us a tax cut – didn’t affect the people it should, unless you have money. It made a BIG, BIG 2 cents a month for me.
So lets, talk taxes. Where does McCain get all this money to bail out the homeowners?????? TAXPAYERS. There are some of these people I do feel for, but how many of these people bought homes that they could not afford, because the mortgage co’s. put through the loans.
You know how much money you make and should be able to know what you can afford.
s

Posted by: smt | October 27, 2008, 6:47 am 6:47 am

This is Marxist / Socialist –
Barack Obama on Chicago Public Radio WBEZ-FM, 2001: “The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society… and one of the, I think, tragedies of the civil rights movement was, um, because the civil rights movement became so court focused I think there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing and activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalition of powers through which you bring about redistributive change. In some ways we still suffer from that…”
And the Dem’s have controlled the House for the past two years. They are the spenders and they want more of the tax payers money so they can spend some more!

Posted by: susie | October 27, 2008, 7:16 am 7:16 am

2001 OBAMA: TRAGEDY THAT ‘REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH’ NOT PURSUED BY SUPREME COURT

Posted by: Stanley | October 27, 2008, 7:16 am 7:16 am

Yeah, and if McCain is elected here are some things you’ll have to do:
-Load up on Prozac because the only thing more depressing than life under a President McCain would be the constant lingering fear of a President Palin.
-Watch your 401(k) account diminish into nothing, as we go from a bumbling president to an erratic one. If McCain can go thru 3 campaign managers in 20 months, imagine how many Treasury Secretaries he’ll go through.
-Renew your Passport, because you may have to relocate to China or India when your job gets shipped over there.

Posted by: Bud | October 27, 2008, 7:21 am 7:21 am

susie,
george bush just nationalized the banking system and gave paulson and his cronies 700billion, of the taxpayers money, while many lose their homes.
george bush is a soc.? a marxist?
a rep?
paulson who asked for the money, and also asked that there be no govt. oversight in his redistribution of your wealth. made off like a bandit last year,
earned 700million dollars, from the wall street firm he worked for.
john mccain will have to answer for the mess george bush made.
mccain will not win this election.
bush stopped mccains firs try at becoming president, and bush has stopped mccain from becoming president again.

Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz | October 27, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am

cheer up,smile,nertz – The problems all began with the Dem’s trying to spread the wealth by provding mortgages to those who couldn’t afford it. Barney Frank (and his lover at Fannie Mae) along with Chris Dodd and the other Democrats didn’t want to stop Fannie and Freddie.
FDR’s programs prolonged the Depression. Jimmy Carter’s policy created double digit inflation and interest rates. That’s what Dem’s do.

Posted by: susie | October 27, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am

If the American public is truly concerned about the Voting Problems in America, then they should vote Dems all the way down the chain, because Republicans have fillibustered or stoped any kind of legislation to reform our voting system from fraud and hacking time and time again. We need a voting system we can belive in. This you will see reformed with a Dem President and legislation.

Posted by: Angellight | October 27, 2008, 7:51 am 7:51 am

oh of course susie,
geoge bush has just been an inocent bystander in all of this.
nothing to do with him.
so we will skip bush and blame who?
oh yes, don’t tell me, bill clinton.
bush and his incompetence and cronies
he gave positions to friends-people who were not ready for the titles and positions they held.
brownie and katrina
paulson and the banking system
rummy and the military
the list is long and it goes on and on.
with bush being the head dunce.
now you can believe what rush and fox tell you. that is your business,
i will believe what i watch on cspan and npr.
and that susie is why we have choc. and vanilla.
different strokes for different folks.
but please, social security has worked, and if you have any elders anywhere down the line, they have benefitted from it.
if this country ends up going socialist
it will be because george bush and his lacks thereof put us on that road.
i am told the economy good or bad has the face of the sitting president
so the face we have on this economy is bush with mccain supporting his 90percent of the time.
john mccain will have to answer for the mess george bush made of this country.
mccain will not win this election.
if any of you have money to invest,
get ready to put it into infrastructure
concrete, etc. we are about to start slowly rebuilding our country at home.
and repairing our image abroad again.

Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz | October 27, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am

When is ABC going to cover Obama’s statements from the 2001 interview that it’s a tragedy that the Supreme Court didn’t push more for “redistributive change”???
How about at least a segment here?
Let’s talk about Obama’s promising Socialism.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am

From Drudge
2001 OBAMA: TRAGEDY THAT ‘REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH’ NOT PURSUED BY SUPREME COURT

Posted by: Steave Cuozzo | October 27, 2008, 8:15 am 8:15 am

he is not promising socialism.
it is a waste of time, poor planning on john mccain’ campaign.
we see how john mccain would have run this country.
what? 7 or 8 days away from election.
john mccain and palin should be hammering home trying to get what they are going to do for the country
mccain should be trying to get the undecided vote.
he will not get it by staying negative on obama.
he needs to tell what he is going to do.
mccain should have tunnel vision now
tell what he is going to do.
that would be the honorable thing to do.
and i use to think john mccain was an honorable man.
but i guess not. so instead of trying to win this election with what he will do.
he will lose by staying negative and misleading the people.
as long as mccain is not talking about what he will do for the country and staying neg. with obama he is misleading.

Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz | October 27, 2008, 8:17 am 8:17 am

McCain is wrong don’t worry about your wallet, we are going to loose a tremendous portion of our freedom. Why after they have screamed about the bush taking away freedoms for 8 years are the democrats now 100% for the biggest increase in politician power ever. Because they will have that additional huge power! Democrats have turned out to be closet totalitarians.

Posted by: rollingdivision | October 27, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am

“Why after they have screamed about the bush taking away freedoms for 8 years are the democrats now 100% for the biggest increase in politician power ever.”
This is absolutely absurd.
Democrats hacked into Palin’s emails and MADE THEM PUBLIC.
Democrats hacked into Joe the Plumber’s personal records.
NOT REPUBLICANS.
Obama and the thug Democrats can be expected to use these fascist tactics to silence their criticis.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am

Jake, with Sarah Palin “going rouge” don’t you think that a President John McCain would have to keep an eye on the White House kitchen and grab a hold of his medication?
The way she back-stabbed her way to the top in Alaska, there is no telling how far her “rouge” behaviour could go.

Posted by: Linda | October 27, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am

Concerned in OH: you want a quote where Jesus talks about government—”render to caesar the things that are caesar’s and to God the things that are God”—”Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. . . . This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect, if honor, then honor. (Romans 13) Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellow man has fulfilled the law. . . . Love you neighbor as yourself.”

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am

Concerned in Ohio -
Your “tax dollars” did not pay for Governor Palin’s wardrobe or Senator Obama’s visits to Hawaii.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 27, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am

Ours is a government “of the people, by the people, and for the people” it is not them vs. us—-it is we the people—that’s why we need to be sure that those whom we elect are “doing the people’s business.”

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am

Sure, DrJohn, whatever. Who are you really anyway? I mean if your a dr. then I can see why your scared of Obama. You are among the wealthiest and he wants to tax you more. I remember when doctors used to become doctors to help people. It didnt matter to them that they made money. I remember something called the hypocratic oath. To you it is the hypoctits oath. I will go with someone I know and trust. I will vote the way Andy Griffith votes, and will bring Obama to lead America. Americans unite and break the back of the top 5%! Lets make America what it always used to be, decent! Obama/Biden 08!!

Posted by: Jo | October 27, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am

“Lets make America what it always used to be, decent!”
Decent?
Fewer people pay taxes than ever before.
The wealthy pay more of the burden than they ever paid before.
Democrats violate the rights of those who disagree with them, not Republicans.
Bush never made anyone’s emails public. It was an Obama aide who went through the passports, not a Republican.
Democrats attacked Republicans in Minnesota, not the other way around.
Democrats interrupted the RNC, not the other way around.
Obama told his minions to “get in their faces”, not Republicans.
The truth is tough sometimes.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

Yes, when is the MSM going to play and comment upon the 2001 tape of Obama discussing the “tragedy” of “redistribution of wealth” not being pursued by the Supreme Court?
Especially in light of Joe Biden’s shameful non-interview in Florida where he refused to answer questions posed to him by a respected news anchor on the same subject??

Posted by: Lee | October 27, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

“Coach A: Make sure all the members of the team get a chance to play in the game even if only for a few minutes. Doesn’t leave anyone sitting out on the bench for every game of the season.
Coach B: Only play the team members who you think will successfully win the game. Leave the others that aren’t “naturally” skilled sit on the bench.”
Is that how the NBA and the NFL and MLB work?
I am all for guaranteed equal opportunity, NOT for guaranteed equal outcome.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am

‘Obama said, “I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you–that they’ve got the chance at success, too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”‘
You think we should take from those who work and give handouts to those who don’t want to work?
Socialism always fails.
The mortgage crisis was exactly a failure of socialism.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am

Not much left in my wallet. Somebody decided to pour much of it down a pit in the Middle East, greasing crooked contractors, opium-exporting warlords, and oilfield bums. In one instance, an entire planeload of cash just evaporated, disappeared with no explanation or investigation.
Geez, when was the last time we even had a balanced federal budget? Oh yeah, it was when those crazy “tax and spend” Democrats held the White House…
Lies don’t improve with age.

Posted by: Yukon Sam | October 27, 2008, 8:48 am 8:48 am

George,
So in other words, the football players who show up for practice every day, practice hard every day for the entire practice, and get to the top of their game through their own hard work, should not be allowed to play more during the game than the player who only comes to practice once a week, practices half-heartedly, and doesn’t improve at all during the season because they don’t put out any effort?

Posted by: Lee | October 27, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am

Hey McCain,
Looks like you missed the memo but the party that has bled our wallets both in the economy and Iraq War fiasco was the REPUBLICAN party. It is absolutely ridiculous for you to suggest you can some how continue your $10 billion/month war in Iraq and still give everyone $5000 health credits WITHOUT raising taxes, and in fact, CUTTING THEM.
How are you going to pay for all of this? Not borrow from the Chinese, surely, the amount we already owe them has around twelve zeroes behind already. Whatever happened to the party of fiscal responsibility?

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 27, 2008, 8:49 am 8:49 am

Geez, when was the last time we even had a balanced federal budget? Oh yeah, it was when those crazy “tax and spend” Democrats held the White House…
Clinton had a Republican Congress. Bush is stuck with Democrats.
Please listen carefully;
EACH OF THE LAST TWO YEARS DEMOCRATS PASSED A BUDGET LARGER THAN BUSH REQUESTED. THEY HAVE DONE NOTHING TO REDUCE SPENDING AND THEY WERE IN CONTROL.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

YUKON democrats will increase spending, deficits, waste and the power of politicians. And, complete one party control will result in huge increases in the power of the government over US citizens.

Posted by: rollingdivision | October 27, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

drjohn,
I thought the President could block it?
Now, when the Republicans were in control of the two branches for the past 6 years, they still screwed up. They’ve had their chance.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 27, 2008, 8:58 am 8:58 am

drjohn and lee: I’m not talking about professional athletic teams—talking about amateur teams in schools and those sponsored by civic organizations—talking about team memebers who come out for practice everytime practice is scheduled who work their hearts out and are still left to sit on the bench most of the time because they aren’t “good enough” in the coach’s mind “win the game.”
I also did not say all members of the team get equal time on the field. I go with coach A because even the “not so good players” get a chance on the playing field even if it is only for a “few minutes.”
It is just possible that someone in that latter group may prove to be outstanding when placed in the “heat of battle”.
Coach B will never know because he / she has written the “bench warmers” off.

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am

Look.
I think Bush is a jerk who spends like a Democrat.
McCain is FAR more likely to cut spending than is Obama.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:04 am 9:04 am

‘drjohn and lee: I’m not talking about professional athletic teams—talking about amateur teams in schools and those sponsored by civic organizations—talking about team memebers who come out for practice everytime practice is scheduled who work their hearts out and are still left to sit on the bench most of the time because they aren’t “good enough” in the coach’s mind “win the game.”‘
With children, sure, but only to a point.
Life is not fair. Letting kids grow up thinking that you’ll always get your turn to play is not realistic.
Thinking you’ll get through school and get high grades because you merely show up is not real life.
The same left wingers who don’t want people to feed animals lest they become dependent on man love to see people become dependent.
And who was it who said
“Give a man a fish and he eats today. Teach him how to fish and he eats tomorrow”?

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am

to all my republican friends,
John Mccain will have to answer for george bushs mess up of this country.
mccain will pay by not being elected president.
bush has twice stopped mccain from becoming president.
john mccain would not straigten out the mess bush has made-because john mccain does not think bush has made a mess of the country.
mccain has to answer for bushs mess ups.
mccain will not win.

Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz | October 27, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

drjohn: no, I don’t also believe that “if you don’t work, you don’t eat”.
What is reported by Luke didn’t continue because of greed and sloth (laziness). So “regulations” had to be put in place like “if you don’t work, you don’t eat.” The colonists in Jamestown, VA (1607) had the same idea as the early Christians—same thing happened—same regulation put in place.
Luke reported, “All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. . . . There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.”
Obama said, “I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you–that they’ve got the chance at success, too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
If this were a perfect world no regulation would be necessary—but it isn’t perfect, so regulation is necessary.

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

George
Do you know how much “wealthy” people pay in taxes now?

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

drjohn,
Do you not think $10 billion per month in Iraq is quite alot of money too? That’s what McCain would like to continue. McCain is wishy-washy about sending a team of snipers or Navy SEALs to take out Osama if they get him in their cross-hairs in Pakistan, he keeps insisting the terror front is there, instead of saving money and helping the troops in Afghanistan who need support. Obama isn’t.
Wealth redistribution means seizing ALL your property and money and distributing it equally among everyone. Not JUST tax credits. Now, if you’re rich and paying higher taxes but the government hasn’t attempted to seize your mansion, you can say quite confidently you are not living in a socialist country.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 27, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

In a local restaurant my server had on a “Obama 08″ tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference–just imagine the coincidence
Yeah, I complained to management of the grocery store and drug-store when black employees were wearing Obama campaign stuff.

Posted by: geevill | October 27, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

“YUKON democrats will increase spending, deficits, waste and the power of politicians. And, complete one party control will result in huge increases in the power of the government over US citizens.”
And when Republicans were in control? Increased spending, deficits, waste, corruption, an alarming erosion of civil rights and a concerted attack on the system of checks and balances by the executive branch.
News flash: “the government” is nothing more or less than the collective will of the American people… and the government NEEDS to exert more power over certain citizens. Maybe if we’d exercised a little oversight with those nutty Wall Street tycoons and their funky mortgage-backed derivatives, we wouldn’t be in such a mess right now.

Posted by: Yukon Sam | October 27, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

“If this were a perfect world no regulation would be necessary—but it isn’t perfect, so regulation is necessary.”
George
If you really believe this, you’ll vote for McCain.
Republicans and McCain tried many times to increase regulation of GSE’s and were stopped by Barney Frank and Chris Dodd. Every single Democrat on the Senate Banking Committe voted against increased regulation of GSE’s.
Republicans could do nothing more because they were not filibuster-proof.
Now Democrats want to do for the rest of the economy what they’ve done for the financial markets.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

drjohn: Your right, life isn’t fair. That does not mean that those in charge should not give everyone a chance, if even for a few minutes, to test their wings.
My students do not get a free ride just because they “show up”. But they cannot leave my classroom without knowing they had a chance. Whether or not a person chooses to take the chance is his / her decision to make, not mine.

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

Do you not think $10 billion per month in Iraq is quite alot of money too?
Yes it is.
Obama is not taking anyone out of anywhere, and don’t buy into anything else. That’s why he always couches his words by saying “we’ll leavve Iraq responsibly.”
On the other hadn. Democrats just dumped a $700 billion bill in your lap. That was the cost of the failure of socializing housing in this country.
You know who was making the really big bucks while screwing us?
Jim Johnson, Penny Pritzker, Franklin Raines, Jaime Gorelick.
Cooking the books at Fannie while making MILLIONS.
All Democrats.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

“My students do not get a free ride just because they “show up”. But they cannot leave my classroom without knowing they had a chance. Whether or not a person chooses to take the chance is his / her decision to make, not mine.”
Yes, George.
By all means give them a chance.
Give them ALL an equal chance.
You can’t do more than that. But oyou can’t guarantee they’ll do anything with it. You can’t guarantee they’ll be a success.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:26 am 9:26 am

drjohn: After the wealthy pay their taxes, how much do they have left to live on?
If the tax rate is 35% on $1,000,000.00 they have around $650,000.00 to live on.
Even if the rate is as high as 70% they have $300,000.00 to live on.
A person who makes $42,000.00 a year and is taxed at a rate of 20% has around $33,000.00 left to live on.
Who is still better off?

Posted by: George | October 27, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am

so you complained to the management.
i hope you put whatever you were buying back, and walked out.
that will really show them. and from now on you can just go to another store and shop, where you don’t see the obama stickers on the employees, because the stickers are all in the back on there lockers.

Posted by: cheer up, smile, nertz! | October 27, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

“Wealth redistribution means seizing ALL your property and money and distributing it equally among everyone. Not JUST tax credits. Now, if you’re rich and paying higher taxes but the government hasn’t attempted to seize your mansion, you can say quite confidently you are not living in a socialist country.”
It starts small.
Barney Frank is talking about seizing 401K’s, just like Congress seized social security in 1968.
Then it’ll be your IRA’s.
All seized for them to spend and leave you with more promisssry notes.
Do you really think Barney Frank, who protected his boyfriend working at Fannie Mae, knows better how to spend your money than do you?

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

“drjohn: After the wealthy pay their taxes, how much do they have left to live on?
If the tax rate is 35% on $1,000,000.00 they have around $650,000.00 to live on.
Even if the rate is as high as 70% they have $300,000.00 to live on.
A person who makes $42,000.00 a year and is taxed at a rate of 20% has around $33,000.00 left to live on.
Who is still better off?”
This is a socialist argument, George. It is class warfare.
This country allows for that person making 42,000 to work himself or herself to a position of making a million a year.
That’s the beauty of it. It’s there for you to go for it.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

drjohn,
And who managed the economy for the past eight years?
The Democrats did not dump the bailout into our laps. Bush did. The Republican White House screwed up big time, and they had to swallow the Socialism pill because they had no choice- they blundered, and they had no choice but to bailout in order to stop the economy from a total collapse. In the case of the bailout, we don’t like it, but because of Bush’s disastrous handling, there’s little choice but to swallow it.
McCain wants the government to bailout the bad mortgages. The so-called “Socialist” Obama smacked that down. Would you call McCain socialist?
As to Iraq, Obama sounds like he wants to leave Iraq. McCain? Well, we can be sure he doesn’t want to leave until we “win” the war. I particularly didn’t like how he said about not coming home in “defeat”. This was an ill-timed war. Everyone loses in a war. The victory is pyrrhic.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 27, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

“And who managed the economy for the past eight years?
The Democrats did not dump the bailout into our laps. Bush did. The Republican White House screwed up big time, and they had to swallow the Socialism pill because they had no choice- they blundered, and they had no choice but to bailout in order to stop the economy from a total collapse. In the case of the bailout, we don’t like it, but because of Bush’s disastrous handling, there’s little choice but to swallow it.
McCain wants the government to bailout the bad mortgages. The so-called “Socialist” Obama smacked that down. Would you call McCain socialist? ”
Geez, come on.
Democrats blocked EVER SINGLE effort to reform the GSE’s.
EVERY SINGLE ONE.
This crisis was preventable, but Democrats wanted to preserve the socialism of housing. They denied anything was wrong-repeatedly.
I am against this bailout.
Chuck Schumer said that this was a necessity.
Please do yourself a favor and stay within the facts.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Look,
To me, Obama understands the economy. Even if you say the Democrats were responsible for this, I have to say, the Republicans had the majority for a while. And they did not do anything about it. Bush pushed for deregulation of the financial market. Some blame indeed rests there, and McCain HAS been a supporter of deregulation.
In comparison Obama seems to know what he’s talking about on the economy. I really cannot understand McCain’s logic. He wants to give a tax cut to everybody but still wants to give stuff like heathcare credits ($5000) and stay in Iraq. Could you tell me where he will get the money from?

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 27, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

“It is class warfare.”
No, class warfare is when they drag the worthless parasites out of their McMansions kicking and screaming, line them up against the wall and shoot them.
This is a civil discussion about a small tax increase.
Let’s not indulge in hyperbole.

Posted by: Yukon Sam | October 27, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

“To me, Obama understands the economy. Even if you say the Democrats were responsible for this, I have to say, the Republicans had the majority for a while. And they did not do anything about it. Bush pushed for deregulation of the financial market. Some blame indeed rests there, and McCain HAS been a supporter of deregulation.”
McCain co-sponsored a bill to increase regulation of GSE’s in 2005 and 2006.
That’s the truth.
Every single Democrat opposed voted against it in a party line vote.
That’s a FACT.
Democrats repeatedly claimed nothing was wrong at Fannie and Freddie.
They lied through their teeth.
That’s a fact.
You owe to yourself to know the truth about what happened here. It really is important.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

drjohn,
Look, even if I take your word for that, I’m looking at the candidates individually, and can you tell me JUST HOW McCain is going to pay for the Iraq war or give everyone $5000 health care credits if he’s not going to raise anyone’s taxes? Cutting earmarks is hardly enough.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 27, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

“Look, even if I take your word for that, I’m looking at the candidates individually, and can you tell me JUST HOW McCain is going to pay for the Iraq war or give everyone $5000 health care credits if he’s not going to raise anyone’s taxes? Cutting earmarks is hardly enough.”
You don’t have to take my word for it.
Look up Peter Wallison at AEI. I’d give you the links to all of this but they kill my links routinely.
Hagel tried to introduce this regulation in both 2003 and 2005. McCain co-sponsored this in 2005. Look up Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act (S. 190).
How is Obama going to give everyone a tax break and pay for everything he plans on?
The fact is, he can’t.
You can’t be raising taxes in the face of a recession. The best thing that can be done is to put a clamp on spending.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

“McCain co-sponsored a bill to increase regulation of GSE’s in 2005 and 2006.
That’s the truth.
Every single Democrat opposed voted against it in a party line vote.
That’s a FACT.”
Weeeelllll, not really.
The Republican-controlled Senate never brought the bill up for a vote, effectively killing it without the political hit of having to vote against it. True, many Democrats were also on record as opposing aspects of the bill… but they never got a chance to vote on it, or filibuster against it.
In addition, McCain didn’t sign on to the bill until after the housing bubble had peaked and disaster was all but unavoidable. It’s a classic case of closing the barn door after the cows have run off.
Taking out the politics for just a microsecond, in all honesty, there’s plenty of blame to go around for the mortgage crisis. As long as the economy was going great guns, EVERYBODY, Republican and Democrat alike, was happy to look the other way. It was a period of “irrational exuberance”.
And putting the politics back in… part of the blame has to go to Clinton, whose centrist economic policies were just a little too lenient and cozy with the financial industry.

Posted by: Yukon Sam | October 27, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

“The Republican-controlled Senate never brought the bill up for a vote, effectively killing it without the political hit of having to vote against it. True, many Democrats were also on record as opposing aspects of the bill… but they never got a chance to vote on it, or filibuster against it.”
It never got to a full vote because every single Democrat opposed it and it wasn’t filibuster proof. They made it know it would be killed.
Both in 2003 and 2005.
Democrats killed efforts to reform GSE’s. Not Republicans.
That’s the message.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

Who is robbing the wallets of the middle class and working poor? Bush-McCain-Palin! I have degrees in Economics and Finance. My net income is over $50,000.00 a year. On election years during the Bush administration I have received $1.00 per month tax break in 2002, $2.00 per month, tax break in 2004, $1.00 per month tax break in 2006 and in 2008 a $1.00 per month tax break. On off election years during the Bush administration I received a tax increase of $100.00 per month in 2003, $200.00, per month tax increase in 2005, $300.00 dollar per month tax increase in 2007. This is a net tax increase during the Bush administration of $595.00 I pay per month. Republican’s and Independent’s how is this a tax break for the middle class and working poor? I pay $595.00 more per month in taxes since the Bush administration started giving huge tax cuts to the wealthiest people in this country. I have not changed tax brackets during the past 8 years. Do the math Republican’s and Independents if you earn under $250,000.00 your pay more taxes under the Bush-McCain-Palin plan and those who make more than $250,000.00 pay less taxes. Republican’s and Independent’s what part of the Bush-McCain-Palin huge tax decrease to the rich and huge tax increase to the middle class and working poor don’t you understand? Who is robbing the wallets of the middle class and working poor? It is Bush-McCain-Palin!

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

And putting the politics back in… part of the blame has to go to Clinton, whose centrist economic policies were just a little too lenient and cozy with the financial industry.
Clinton pressured Fannie into making more bad loans.
Anrew Cuomo sued AccuBanc in 1998 because they would not make more bad loans.
This was all about socializing housing.
And it collapsed, because socialism cannot succeed long term.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

“Do the math Republican’s and Independents if you earn under $250,000.00 your pay more taxes under the Bush-McCain-Palin plan and those who make more than $250,000.00 pay less taxes.”
Do the other math. The real math.
Reid-Pelosi-Obama? Even if you believe Obama, by the time the other two cretins get done along with Barney Frank it’ll be $50,000, not $250,000.
And do the other math- you can’t give a tax break to someone who pays not taxes now. It’s called a handout.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

“Who is robbing the wallets of the middle class and working poor? Bush-McCain-Palin!”
Absolutely false.
How many were paying taxes when Bush came into office and how many now pay taxes?
About 25% paid no taxes in 2000, and now it’s about 33%.
Where did you go to school for your economics?

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

We the middle class and working poor can only hope and pray that the Republican’s of this country will learn to question the leaders of the Republican party, the Republican owned lying propaganda machine and learn to discern and recognize the truth when they see it. Until then the Republicans will remain ignorant, arrogant and fight for the destruction of the economy of the middle class and working poor like good little puppets of the top one half of one per cent of the richest people in this country.

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

Dr. John,
The top 5% of the wealthiest people have more tax loop holes and pay less taxes or no taxes at all( example: Camen Island Tax Shelters). The middle class and working poor pay more taxes under the Bush-McCain-Palin tax plan. Where did you learn your Economics from the Republican Lying Propaganda Machine. I learned my Economics from Harvard Business school. Throught out history the greedy princles of supply-side economics has always failed and caused the down fall of nations read your history. Just look at the reasons for the American Revolution. Oh I know it is too hard for Repuclican’s to look up real history they need to check with Rush and Fox to pull their puppet strings and tell them their lying propaganda from which Republican’s spew forth their ignorance and hate.

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

To All the hard-working Obama supporters
A vote for Obama means you better
get ready to spread your hard earned cash around to all those who don’t care for earning a living!
Your candidate said it “You know, spread the wealth around”

Posted by: equalityrpt | October 27, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Whoever was “pushing” subprime loans, once the mortage-backed security came into vogue, the banks and brokers were actively hunting new loan recipients with an unrestrained predatory glee. Why not? Bundling mortgages and selling them as an investment product meant taking an instant profit and passing off the risk to shareholders.
And in a booming real estate market, a balloon payment that guarantees foreclosure unless the homeowner refinances is a great investment for the lender — either you sell them the refi (with associated fees and an nice long extension of the mortgage) or you foreclose and flip the house at a fat profit. What could possibly go wrong?
Affordable housing for poor and working-class families didn’t precipitate the crisis. Creative people looking for new ways to make a fast buck at somebody else’s expense did. And that level of morally-bankrupt greed transcends party lines.

Posted by: Yukon Sam | October 27, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

“The top 5% of the wealthiest people have more tax loop holes and pay less taxes or no taxes at all( example: Camen Island Tax Shelters).”
Sorry, but it’s just not true.
Check the stats for yourself instead of simply making claims.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

“I learned my Economics from Harvard Business school.”
You made a patently false assertion about Bush stealing from the poor.
Patently false.
Fewer are on tax rolls now than when Bush took office.
Does Harvard teach you to research before you assert something wrong?

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

“Affordable housing for poor and working-class families didn’t precipitate the crisis.”
The heck it didn’t.
Putting people in houses with mortgages they could not afford was EXACTLY why we have this crisis.
And Democrats PUSHED for this since Carter!
Golly, would you guys please know the facts!

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

“Whoever was “pushing” subprime loans, once the mortage-backed security came into vogue, the banks and brokers were actively hunting new loan recipients with an unrestrained predatory glee.”
That would be one Penny Pritzker, she of the Superior Bank in Chicago, which went belly up in 2001.
Democrat.
Fannie sold these useless things to Lehman and Merrill and Goldman. Why did anyone buy them?
Because Uncle Sam guaranteed them.
So who ran Fannie?
Democrats.
Who cooked the books at Fannie?
Democrats.
Who made millions in bonuses while the books were being cooked?
Democrats.

Posted by: drjohn | October 27, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

James321. How does Obama plan to pay for the tax cuts to the under $250,000 crowd? Take it from those in the top 5%? Guess what, they will just put their money where it won’t be taxed, like tax-free municipal bonds or offshore accounts. Then Obama will have to lower the cutoff from $250k to a much lower level. I can see him proposing it be the level where people begin to receive the Earned Income Credit. In effect, only those who actually pay taxes will bear the burden for those who don’t. Sounds like distribution of wealth to me. If you don’t think this could happen, look at how the federal government has handled shortfalls in the past. They have taken more and more of the money earmarked for Social Security, and they have changed the rules on how and what you can do with your retirement funds, that come from “qualified plans”, e.g. 401ks, 41 times since the creation of “qualified plans”. If you believe that Obama wouldn’t do such a thing, you are not living in reality.

Posted by: quig | October 27, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

McCain should have kept his wallet safe when teammate Sarah Palin went shopping in NYC. No one could have fleeced McCain and lots of other Americans the way Palin did in her one day shopping spree. Just one more McCain smear discredited.

Posted by: buzziea | October 27, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

Where was McCain from 2001-2007 when the Repubs who controlled Congress were spending like money was going out of style? He should have been proclaiming “Hang onto your wallets!” then!

Posted by: chuck | October 27, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

As opposed to the Republican rule, which was say goodbye to your job, your home, your retirement savings and possibly lose your child to war.

Posted by: Ryan C (the actual real one) | October 27, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

drjohn. For your information, Barnie Frank (chair of the house banking and finance committee charged with oversight of financial institutions and the one on whose watch this financial meltdown happened), Nancy Pelosi, and several other Democrats are on record in 2004 as stating that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were well managed and sound and not in any financial danger. They praised the CEO of Fannie Mae for his management of the organization and accused those who were questioning the health of those two organizations as spreading falsehoods and trying to smear the names of good people. And yet, we can look back now and see that they were very wrong and in an attempt to shift blame from themselves are blaming the problems on the Republicans
I believe there is plenty of blame to go around. President Bush has made some big mistakes and taken some very bad advice or not listened to very good advice. The Republican and Democratic parties are guilty of equally guilty of corruption and self-serving behavior. Neither party has a corner on the virtue market. I see McCain and Obama as being no different.
What I also see is that those who are on the receiving end of government handouts favor Obama’s position while those who are on the giving end favor McCain.
Remember what Alexis de Tocqueville said about America: “The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public’s money.”

Posted by: quig | October 27, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

james321, please check for facts before you post. The top earners pay taxes far beyond their portion of earnings. Currently, the bottom 40 percent of wage earners pay no income taxes while the top 5% pay almost 55% of all the income taxes while earning about 33% of all income.

Posted by: rollingdivision | October 27, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

Dr. John The Bush Administration gave tax cuts to encourage companies to take their factory and service sector jobs over seas. Millions of jobs have been lost to foreign countries. Most of those people have not been able to get new jobs because very few jobs have been created by the business sector and our government to replace the number of jobs lost. Today there are many more well educated and very experienced people who are long term unemployed now than any other time in our history thanks to the Bush-McCain-Palin tax plan and supply side economics. Too bad McCain-Palin and the rest of the ignorant lying Republican propaganda machine socialist economists don’t understand the real effects of the blunders of the Bush-McCain-Palin greedy unethical socialist economic strategies. Dr. John it’s sad you and your fellow Republican’s are buying into the lies and greedy unethical socialist economic strategies of Bush-McCain-Palin lying propaganda media machine. Hopefully you and your fellow Republican’s will some day be able to discern and recognize truth when you see it, hear it and be set free from hateful, arrogant, egotistical ignorance spewed forth from you and your fellow Republican’s.

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Thank you rollingdivision. I like facts much better than uninformed opinions. It’s amazing how quickly you get perspective when you see the facts. What really scares me is how many people will base their vote on an emotion, whether it be disdain for the poor or the wealthy or race or strict party affiliation.

Posted by: quig | October 27, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Quig,
Obama has stated he will eliminate many of the tax loop holes including the off shore tax shelters.

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm

Rollingdivision,
The top 5% of the wage earners in this country earn 80% of the income so a 3% tax hike from 36% to 39% is not a big tax burden on the rich. Remember they paid 39% tax during the Reagan and Bush Senior Republican administrations. Is that your definition of socialism Republicans? Did the rich end up in the poor house during the Reagan and Bush Seniors Administration? No they didn’t they prospered.

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

Check out Media Matters for facts rather than talking points and hyperbole about the role Fannie and Freddie in the economic meltdown.
Even Greenspan and Cox said last week that the agencies may have “contributed to” but “did not cause” the meltdown.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 27, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm

James321 wrote: “The top 5% of the wage earners in this country earn 80% of the income…”
According to the latest IRS statistics (updated July 2008), in 2006 the top 5% for just 36.66% of the total Adjusted Gross Income. NOT 80%. And the top 5% accounted for 60.14% of the total tax revenue.

Posted by: James Danley | October 27, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm

How much of a moron do you have to be to believe what mccain is spewing?
The debt and deficit has ballooned under the republican administration and he’s looking to blame the dems? Yeah, think how bad it would have been if it wasn’t the fiscally conservative party at the helm.
Dementia. That’s about the only excuse for Mccain these days. He’s lost his honor and won’t be getting back up.

Posted by: jb | October 27, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm

Ok republicans…how do we as a country pay for the debt run up by the fiscally irresponsible bush administration?
Please, enlighten us all.

Posted by: Sally B | October 27, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm

Sorry, I accidentally deleted “accounted.” It should have read: “…in 2006 the top 5% accounted for just 36.66%…”

Posted by: James Danley | October 27, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm

Hey Republican’s, look at the history of your beloved non-compassionate greedy party. Look at how much your taxes have increased per month since 2001. My income has been stagnant over the past 8 years. I now pay $595.00 per month more in taxes earning a little over $50,000.00 a year since the Bush-McCain-Palin tax cuts and supply-side socialist economic strategies have been implemented since 2001. Ninety % of the small businesses in the city I live in have gone out of business since 2001. When I drive thru town most of business buildings and malls are empty.
Here is a challenge for all Republican’s. Please show the Independent’s and Democrat’s with facts how great the Reagan-Bush Sr.-Bush Jr.-McCain-Palin tax cuts and supply-side socialist economic strategies have helped small businesses, keep living wage jobs in this country, create jobs that pay living wages for the middle class, to provide opportunities for creating new small businesses, jobs for the working poor to become apart of the middle class and reduce the number of working poor in this country, improve the infrastructure of this country, lower the cost of health care, make college affordable for all who choose to go to college, improve k-12 education, improve Social Security and Medicare benefits, make us more respected over seas, balance the federal budget. reduce or eliminate the deficit, reduce or eliminate the long-term national dept of this country, build a strong enduring economy, clean up the lying mudsling of the Republican Rovian politics of this election, united the citizens of this country for our common purpose of making life better for all of us and future generations.
Please show the Independent’s and Democrat’s what the Republican’s have done to make these things a real reality for the American people and please don’t give us any lame excuses for the Republican’s failing to do these things mentioned above. We just want hard facts of what has been done to accomplish these things.
If you look at our history when we had the largest number of middle class people, the largest number of small businesses, the lowest number of working poor and most people earned a living wage and could buy a home save, for retirement, their children’s education and afford healthcare. The USA was at its strongest and most respected around the world. It is common sense for our government and all of us to work together to restore what made the USA great.
Republicans if you can’t show what your party has done to accomplish these things. I recommend that all Americans vote for Obama-Biden 08.

Posted by: James321 | October 27, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm

People should of been holding on to their wallets 8 years ago and elected a different President. The irony is most people although they haven’t paid more in taxes, earn less thanks to the policies of McSame/Bush.

Posted by: Lori | October 27, 2008, 9:28 pm 9:28 pm

Obama wants to raise taxes on people makeing $250,000 or more for what reason. What is his intentions of spreading the wealth around. Donating to the poor countries or people that never worked to earn one dollar in their lifetime. I don’t want my tax dollars donated to anyone. It should be put to good use like kids with disabilities, increase the mininum wage plus why don’t the government form an insurance plan of their own for people making not over $60,000 per year making the payments to the government. If we can support other countries we can support our own country. Plus delete the link card and raise the SSI check. I know for a fact that many of those people who have link cards sell them for cash to buy drugs. Plus many people getting SSI checks are able to find jobs somewhere. They are no all disabled.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 28, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

alwriter: Bush didn’t cause the foreclosures, the banks and lender’s caused their own destruction. They lent money to these young people who don’t have the money to buy a condo in the first place with no down payment or 5% down. After about a year they gave the condo back, stoped making payments and rented again leaving the banks and lenders in a finacial mess. Banks and Lender’s should have required 25% down. And the trouble with some of these young people they wanted to live like the rich with a beer pocket. It doesn’t work that way.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 28, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm

McCain is right. You better hold on to your wallets. This congress is not the same democratic congress as it was years ago. Nancy Pelosi is the worse democratic house speaker we ever had and Reid should get out of politics. The people of this generation are too young to know what McCain knows ahead of time that the democrats will go on a spending spree. If you think the economy is bad now you haven’t see anything. All you see is a young senator standing on the platform speaking the words of RFK or MLK adding some of his own words and they think he is brilliant. If you think he is going to do whatever he says, think again. It won’t happen. And you will be crying in your beer.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 28, 2008, 3:30 pm 3:30 pm

drjohn: You are right about those democrats. And they are the worst democrats elected to congress and the biggest failures with a house speaker that wants to control. That’s why she didn’t want Hillary in office. Nancy likes power and she wants to be the only woman in power. I was hoping the house would become republican so Nancy would step down. I have been a democrat all my life but am voting McCain. I don’t like Obama’s tactics and how he swindled Hillary out of the nomination. The majority of the young people better wake up and think before they vote otherwise we will have a depression worse than 1929. Even the owner of the Miami Dolphins want to sell his team fast because he fears an Obama win and the tax increases he will raise on millions of Americans in businesses or not in business.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 28, 2008, 4:21 pm 4:21 pm

Sally B. Why would you worry about the debt. That’s the worry of the government. If your still working, driving, and have enough money to live on that’s all you need. However, you will have to worry about, Obama, Pelosi and Reid if Obama wins the election. The three musketeers will destroy this country because their promises are a sham. A dem contress and house will ruin this country along with a dem president. Look for a depression of 1929.

Posted by: Mariann Pepitone | October 28, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

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