McCain Planning to Spend Time With ‘Joe the Plumber’

Don’t worry Joe. Once we destroy you, you won’t have to pay any taxes.
You’ll be getting $5000 in welfare… hmmm I mean tax credits.

As goes Joe, so goes Ohio.

It’s slightly hilarious that the media is so feverishly vetting Joe The Plumber. Are they that scared he might turn this election in McCain’s favor…he’s just a voter who asked a question for godsakes…

Why would McCain want to push this any farther? Can’t his campaign read enough comments to know that people got a little tired of it last night?
Joe does not make 250,000. He said on Good morning America that he was asked to go to the rally for Obama. TELL me this was not a PLANT to ask that question????
I will be so glad to get this election over with.
If McCain knows how to fix so much, why hasn’t he done something in the last 26 years?

I feel sorry for the guy. McCain is in full desperation mode, and he’s looking for any tool he can exploit. If I were Joe, I’d take a nice long vacation right about now.
We already know he’s a registered Republican, not a licensed plumber, a tax cheat, and lied about union membership on a facebook page. McCain needs to have mercy and not put him under the klieg lights.

This is so silly. Really, Sen. McCain, have you nothing better to do with your time?

hahaha.. I hear he is a relative of Keating… hmmm…..
This goes to illustrate even more how out of touch McCain is if he thinks 250k a year is middle class.

luke 12:48
to whom is given more more is required

just goes to show what kind of President Barack will be.. he sat there for five minutes and listened to Joe.. discussed with him Obama’s plan and how it would help Joe achieve his dreams.. Barack probably new by the Joe’s questions that his was vote that Barack wasn’t going to get.. yet Barack showed him the utmost respect…
Now.. Joe the Plumber on the other hand.. misguided and voting agains’t his pocket book… yup… most assuredly a dittohead

So Sen. McCain wants to make this imperfect laborer a “poster boy” for his tax proposals? It seems like his campaign has seized on yet another “theme of the week,” just like “lipstick on a pig,” “Ayers,” “ACORN,” and dozens of others, and probably with the same degree of success as his other themes.

Ah, yes, another thoroughly vetted gimmick from the McCain camp.
Poor Sarah. She’s so last month’s trophy plebe.

Wait a minute, he’s not a licensed plumber?
Joe’s county requires plumbers to have licenses.
Why has Joe the Plumber been telling all these lies?

“I’ll say one thing for Joe: he’s held more press conferences than Sarah Palin!”
ZING!
Good one, tungsten

I’m guessing the more John McCain’s campaign learns of “Joe the Plumber” the less they’ll want to latch on to this guy for political purposes.
Funny.

We can’t afford to have John McCain as president! Is it because or his policies? Not really. It’s because everything he touches turns to crap!
He chooses Palin to be his running mate and her star shines for about a week. She doesn’t bring the Clinton voters and the only folks she’s appealing to now are the base…..who McCain has anyhow.
He’s in a tight race and boom, Wallstreet crashes. He suspends his campaign to return to Washington to show himself a leader taking control and he can’t deliver the Republicans in congress for the bailout.
Now…. he’s tied his wagon to Joe the Plumber. Yep….Joe the plumber who isn’t making $250,000 a year. Joe the plumber who doesn’t have a plumbing license. Joe the plumber who owes the state of Ohio $1200 in back taxes and has a lien placed on his property.
To heck with policy, we can’t afford to have a president that is gonna screw up just because he gets up in morning! lol

I’m not interested in Joe or what he said – he isn’t running for President.
But the One who is gave a very insightful answer to Middle America Joe, all about punishing those who succeed by taking from those who work hard to become successful to give to those who choose not to.
After all, in Obama’s Land of Unicorns and Rainbows, that’s considered fair.
And did you catch it last night in the debate, where the $250,000 suddenly became $200,000? Was that a gaffe or a glimpse of things to come?

Jake, please explain that Joe cannot operate the plumbing business he talked to Obama about buying because he does not have a license to practice the trade.

The Obama Left and their media attack dogs are intent on destroying Sarah, Trig and Bristol Palin along with Joe the Plumber, while at the same time they are doing their very best to promote and “mainstream” the despicable traits and actions of Bill Ayers and Rev. Wright.
This is really a fight for America and it’s values, and it is the main reason why I have completely disassociated myself from the rotten Left, after defending and promoting their vile for way too long.

beck, maybe McCain watched the video or read the transcript of the conversation posted right here on these blogs.
How did you find out about it? How did I find out about it? I knew about it well before the debate and hoped McCain would use it.
And he did. Much to the dismay of the Obama camp.

So McCain is all excited about hanging out with a guy that is Republican and delinquent paying his taxes?

An attack on Joe the Plumber is an attack on Middle America.
What part of that does the Left fail to understand?
Attack away! Joe is stating the fact that Obama’s tax plan takes away his incentive to start his own business and work hard to achieve success. It’s called killing the American Dream.

Ruh-roh, its look like McCain supporter Harry Sargeant may be in trouble for war profiteering.
You may remember Harry from earlier in the campaign when McCain had to return $50K in questionable donations bundled by Mr. Sargeant from people who seemed unable to financially swing the donations.
“A company that ships oil into Iraq for use by American forces there “appears to have engaged in a reprehensible form of war profiteering,” according to a letter by Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Cal., Chairman of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. The company, International Oil Trading Limited, is run by Florida-based businessman Harry Sargeant, a top fundraiser for the presidential campaign of Senator John McCain.”
Country first? Not when there’s a buck to be made.

If the Republicans have their way, then “Joe” should not be allowed to vote. His name is not an exact match.

Residential plumbers don’t need a license there. Only commercial.
it is not going to be a positive to voters if Joe is demeaned and McCain defends him. it will only make Obama and his supporters look bad.
Keep it up…

So, now we have another McCain campaign obsession – Joe the plumber, and the media tags along for the ride. I am so over Joe. Let it go and move on.
But as one of the posts below mention, it is really very sad that Joe the plumber is able to stand up and take reporter’s questions (and follow ups, mind you) – you know, a press conference – and our vp candidate cannot. McCain said last night that he was proud of her (twice I think) like he was her dad or something. Very bizarre. The question was whether or not she could step in and be president. Sorry – revving up the base is not one of my top qualities in a VP. Can the press not even pretend to do its job anymore? She is the first VP candidate ever in the modern era to not have a press conference. This is unacceptable.

Beck, the markets were up by 320 the last time I looked. I told a lady at church not to sell her 401k Monday because I had a feeling they would open up after Friday and then I worried all weekend. lol Thankfully they were up when they opened. I won’t be giving any more money advice.

Dow up almost 400 and nasdaq up almost 83. Good news.

You can run a small business with 8+ employees and still not have taxable earnings of $250,000. I am an Obama supporter. In Joe’s defense, he is presumably working for a licensed contractor.

Sounds like a plant from the Republican party to me! Owes back taxes, not a licensed plumber but wanting to know how much he would have to pay in taxes if he made over the 250,000, hates Social Security,etc. He sounds like someone I would want to be in my ads supporting me!! Goes along with that Half Baked Alaskan McCain has for his running mate!! Who, by the way, is just an embarrassement to the American people and a big joke with our foreign neighbors and also, we Americans. She can’t even do a decent interview and avoids talking to reporters, was found to abuse her power in Alaska, lied about so many other things. And McCain, he is just too darn old to be a leader of our country–did you notice him trying to hold his temper last night??? Please, Americans–vote for leaders we can be proud to call our leaders and that is Obama/Biden!!

marylou
How is paying 3% more on high-end profits “destroying the American dream?” There is still 97% of the incentive as there was before. And we’re only talking about going back to 1990′s rates, when the economy was booming. If you think that should “destroy the American dream,” then it must be already destroyed.

Bruce
Job growth was much higher in the 1990′s, when we had the tax rates that Obama is proposing.

>>>You can add Jon Bon Jovi and the Rolling Stones to the list of over a dozen artists who have asked McCain to respect their intellectual property rights and not play their music without permission.
Why does McCain not care about intellectual property rights?<<<
Because they have no legal right to stop him from playing their music at his events…that's why!
From an aricle on this huge controversy;
Musicians often have little control over how their music is used because of the system that licenses songs for public performance under a blanket fee paid by venues to ASCAP, the firm that collects royalties on behalf of composers and copyright owners.

This was a Fox News set-up. Joe is a dyed-in-the-wool Republican who spouts all the Republican talking points like the off shore drilling mantra. More dishonest theatrics. When we need substance McCain gives us fakery. Katie Couric interviewed Joe the plumber and he makes less than $250K and would not pay more under Obama’s plan. The story about buying the company he works for is false. For a key debate McCain used one of his own supporters to act as a prop. When you pull away the McCain curtain – it is all smoke and mirrors: Joe the Plumber and the Pit Bull with Lipstick. McCain is going down for good reason. Maybe Sarah and Joe the Plumber can run together on the next GOP ticket.

To Tina:
You have it wrong, that is what McCain and Palin do. They will have an FBI file on you faster than J. Edgar Hoover would have.

I THINK MCCAIN HAS EVERY REASON TO MEET JOE THE PLUMBER.
JOE SAYS OBAMA TAX “INFURIATES” HIM
IT INFURIATES ME TOO THAT AMERICANS ARE BUYING INTO THIS SNAKE OIL SALESMAN, RAP ARTIST, OBAMA’S MESSAGE.
JOE THE PLUMDER HEARTS JOHN MCCAIN’S TAX PROPOSALS..
LONG LIVE JOE THE PLUMBER
HA HA HA

OBAMAMANIACS ARE DOING TO JOWE THE PLUMBER WHAT THEY DID TO PALIN..
ATTACK ATTACK ATTACK
THE GUY IS AN ICON NOW..

McCain
Make him your VP!!!!!!!
The one you have now is soooo
yesterday.

Obama is proposing massive new spending programs and even tax refunds for those who pay zero taxes. In addition, we’re being crushed by massive debt. Anyone who believes that an extra 3% tax on the wealthiest Americans is going to pay for this – and that there will be no negative economic consequences given the current economy (in case you haven’t noticed, it isn’t “booming”) – is living in a dream world. When the 3% proves to be insufficient – and it will – it will mean tax hikes across the board.

Yeah John, tell him to pay his taxes!

I think it would be great if McCain spends all kinds of time with Plumber Joe. They should do photo ops in front of the county court house.

This man did what all Americans are called upon to do — ask a question of a candidate in hopes of becoming more familiar with his positions on issues. What the media has done is look at every aspect of this man’s life to find a way to diminish him in some way. First, you people ask if he is even registered to vote, then you question his status as a licensed plumber, then you question the actual income of the business he hopes to buy, and then you search his records to see if he owes back taxes. All he did was ask a question for which many people are still hoping for an answer. By trying to “investigate” him as if he were the candidate, you miss the point. He represents every small business owner who wants to know if they’ll be postively or negatively impacted by the election of either Obama or McCain.

mccain has to be the dumbest candidate ever to run for office——tell us about ayers mcdummy—he is proud of palin spreading hate with her lies—not only is mccain dumb –i think he is losing his mind.what were yhe animal noises he was making when obama was speaking—is he senile or what the hell is wrong with him.

Has anyone seen the Reuters photo catching McCain in an unflattering pose.
Quite funny.

Joe’s a liar and a fraud. How fitting to be the new “icon” of the McCain campaign. Of course, Joe does know something about taxes, as in not paying them.

bkm – i just don’t think the media did it. i think john mccain did it. he could have used some generic example – but he didn’t. and this guy could have said no to interviews, but he didn’t. he also could have told the truth. the average salary of a plumber is about $50,000 a year. mccain used his misrepresentation to make it seem like all kinds of americans are going to hurt by obama’s plans. that’s just a lie. again, 2% of americans make $250,000 or over, including obama and mccain. but joe the plumber isn’t one of them – he’s just another example of the lies and sloppiness of the mcccain campaign.
by the way, i’m a small business owner. i sure wish i had $250K to complain about. i bet most small business owners do too. samuel doesn’t represent small business owners and mccain doesn’t care about the middle class.

“I believe it is 200,000 for individuals and 250,000 for families”
I think he was making a distinction between income tax and payroll tax.
Obama plans to raise income taxes for those making $250K+ from 35% to 39%.
He also has proposed a payroll tax of 2 to 4% on income above $200K (currently all income after $102K is payroll tax free)

Maybe this guy is the Joe Six Pack that Palin keeps talking about.

McCain is an evil man for bringing up the name of Joe without checking with Obama first to see if he had a plumber to talk about too.You know like the bracelet moment? Remember I HAVE A BRACELET TOO!!!! Obama hates being out of the loop.
Shame on you McCain for bringing up Joe.

Look at the attacks on this poor fellow citizen. You people ought to be ashamed.

Ohboyohboyohboyohboy!!!
Johnny’s got himself another Hail Mary opportunity!! McCain will speak with Joe the Plumber and promise to make him Secretary of the Treasury! Plus, it’s kind of a twofer, because if things don’t work out for the repubs on Nov. 4th, now Sarah’s got her running mate for 2012! Yea!

angie
he sure was acting weird- i thought i was imagining the noises– and his eyes were glassy looking.—

More of that right wing racism
The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women’s group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.
The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps — instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of “Obama Bucks” — a phony $10 bill featuring Obama’s face on a donkey’s body, labeled “United States Food Stamps.”
The GOP newsletter, which was sent to about 200 members and associates of the group by e-mail and regular mail last week, is drawing harsh criticism from members of the political group, elected leaders, party officials and others as racist.
The group’s president, Diane Fedele, said she plans to send an apology letter to her members and to apologize at the club’s meeting next week. She said she simply wanted to deride a comment Obama made over the summer about how as an African-American he “doesn’t look like all those other presidents on the dollar bills.”

This Joe guy doesn’t think it’s patriotic to pay his taxes but he expects the military to run on what? Taxes that people like me pay?
What a parasite!

angie
warren buffet says he is embarassed that he pays less taxes than the working people—-and wants the wealthy to pay more.most on here are to dumb to understand that taxes on 200 thousand is AFTER DEDUCTIONS.

FBI’s all over Obamas Acorn. OHIO Democrats pleading with supereme court to led voting stand LMAO

“Will anyone who openly disagrees with Obama or his policies be locked away?” William, I live in Missouri – the land of the Obama Truth Squads. Armed Democratic sheriffs and prosecutors, on the lookout for people “lying” about Obama. I truly never thought I’d live to see days like this. This must have been the way people felt in Germany in the 1930s.

Gallup has it 49-43 Obama.

MIKE
I AM STILL TRYING TO GET SOMETHING TO MAKE MCCAIN A HERO—ARENT THEY THE ONES THAT SAVE LIVES——OR IS IT FOR SINGING TO THE NORTH VIATNAMESE.
HIS WOUNDS WERE FROM BAILING OUT OF PLANE–AND HE AT TIMES LEADS US TO THINK HE WAS TORTURED….I KNOW ALL ABOUT THIS GUY.

QUESTION ?
Did Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher work for John McCains camp in the Ohio Republican Primary ? ? ?
Why did he say on Fox News with Niel Cavuto When he “meet and asked Huckabee questions durring the Ohio Primary he could answer questions like that!”

His name is not even Joe, he is NOT alicensed plumer, he owes taxes and HE IS RELATED TO CHARLES KEATING, yes the same Charles Keating from S&L/Keating 5 that Mccain was involved in, the convicted felong that is Mccain’s best buddy forever……This old senile man is soooo desperate it’s actually embarssing

McCain is such a dope. His poster Child “joe the Plumber” is not even licensed to be a plumber in the state of Ohio. Apparently he hasn’t attended apprentice training or passed the plumbing license test. This means joe the plumber is NOT a plumber. Check out the Toledo Blade if you don’t believe me. As for McCain he looked like an angry old man and his twitching and funny stupid expressions definitely didn’t instill confidence. Joe the plumber is worried about earning $250,000 dollars. What a laugh.

“Picking” on an average American? He put himself there and the lack of credibility onus is on him. Nothing better than to get these dummies to look in a mirror: they can’t afford health care or to send their kids to college (and some even belong to taxpayer-run *cough–social programs-*cough cough). And then they all have McCain signs in their yards. Meanwhile, these Joe Schmoes vote on non-issues (guns? abortion? Can we say “Constitution,” and settled in 1973?) and ask stupid “what if?” questions that don’t even apply to them. He DOESN’T make $250,000 a year, and even if he did, the whopping $900 extra he’d owe on top of lien (hypocrite, much?) wouldn’t make a dent in a quarter million dollar income. I make less than $50, and even had to fork over $700 one year for claiming exemptions just so I could live month to month (and no lien here; $60 month stashed away, and I could pay the amount, no problem). So when these dummies go to the poll and vote for archaic, Jurassic, conservatives who cannot figure out the term “progression,” the rest of us will not hold our tongues anymore, since they are the very same who got us in this mess in the first place.

GALLUP SHOCK!!!! McCain 49% Obama 47%

Correction:
GALLUP SHOCK!!!! OBAMA 49% McCain 43%

ANGIE
I HAVE A SMALL BUSINESS-and gross sales would have to be well over a million closer to two a year to have 250 net profit.
mccain is a total uninformed idiot—

His name is not even Barack Obama it’s Barry Soetoro and he is an Indonesian citizen.

McCain didn’t vett Palin..
McCain didn’t vett ‘Joe the ‘ assumed’ plumber’
McCain didn’t vett his own polices
McCain didn’t vett his own shady associations
McCain didn’t vett Keating
like everything else republican for the last 8 years. just another in a long series of frauds and crimes. we can only hope that all of the republican criminals of the last 8 years will be caught, tried and indicted.

GALLUP SHOCK!!!! McCain FISH% Obama WRENCH%

Hey, when you can’t win the argument,
ENGAGE IN PERSONAL ATTACKS AGAINST A PATRIOTIC AMERICAN CITIZEN.

GALLUP SHOCK!!!! McCain 32% Obama 51% Q-Bert 68%

“jOE IS ON FOX TALKING ABOUT WHAT A PATRIOT JOHN MCCAIN JOHN MCCAIN IS A WAR HERO AND SO ON! ”
Sam The not licensed Plumber is a fraud case. But what’s new, McCain’s campaign is running on stupid tactics and not on strategy.

Attacking Joe the plumber is only going to create more media backlash.

Jake, did you already read that the real “Joe the Plumber” (Samuel Wurzelbacher) is a son of Robert Wurzelbacher?
Robert Wurzelbacher was an executive of American Continental Corporation, the parent company of…
Charles Keating’s Lincoln Savings!!!
Yes, The bank which caused citizens to lose their life savings and cost U.S. taxpayers $3.4 billion. As part of that scandal, Robert Wurzelbacher pleaded guilty to three counts of misapplying $14 million and served 40 months in prison.
Robert Elisberg at Huffington Post has the details.
No, what does this story tell us about ‘Joe’ and his godfather, John McCain?

It’s slightly hilarious that the media is so feverishly vetting Joe The Plumber. Are they that scared he might turn this election in McCain’s favor…he’s just a voter who asked a question for godsakes…
Posted by: Jo | Oct 16, 2008 3:24:53 PM
What idiot would expose himself like that knowing he owed $1200 in back taxes? All I can say is “Here’s your sign”.

For those of you who like Joe the Plumber who are having a problem with the democratic definition of “fair”,
you might try giving the money to your church, the Salvation Army, or you could give the money to Rev. Wright’s church.
Even if you feel some how guilty for being successful and working hard, giving the money to the govenment for redistribution is probably not a good idea. Some part of it is likely to end up at ACORN. I think we have enough voter fraud at the moment.

wow. do you people actually think “joe the plumber” realized that the ridiculous media and ridiculous canidates would blow this all out of proportion like this?! cmon people. sadly, this is modern day america. a bunch of idiots falling for what a bunch of idiots say.

I was wondering what magazines Joe the Plumber reads and what country he can see from his front yard ?

Obama lied to the Public—okay to Elect a President that Lies? Well I guess he thinks the public is stupid.

Dean. Hilarious.

Gosh, John McCain is going to have to do a better job vetting his plants and spend a little more money on better actresses to ask questions like “Is it true that Obama is an Arab?”. These obvious setups are an embarrassment to the republican party and to the intelligence of the American people. I can’t knock Joe the plumber for being behind on his taxes and medical bills, he is most likely struggling like the rest of us and looking for some means of a better future for himself and his family. John is just using Joe the plumber to further his agenda and is making Joe a laughing stock in the process. Surely, no matter what our political party, we don’t want a president that uses such tactics to gain a political advantage, you may be next!

will one of you liberals answer this for me please… are you guys saying that mccain “planted” joe the plumber and had him attack obama on his tax plan? is that what im missing here?

hey angie
dont yopu just love the people telling us to go to websites that some idiot has created ,and acting like it is the word of god—-watch out for the virus attack.

”
cmon people. sadly, this is modern day america. a bunch of idiots falling for what a bunch of idiots say.
”
Couldn’t agree more…
McCain!. Stop playing these silly games!

oh that silly McCain can’t remember what he says one day to another…. during the debate McCain said: ‘he’s not concerned with a washed up terrorist”
The Republican National Committee launched a massive robocall campaign on Thursday designed to alarm voters about Barack Obama’s alleged past association with former radical Bill Ayers.
The committee may be violating some state law in the process.

clabs…
i was referring to BOTH canidates by the way. both idiots playing the same games we have seen time and time again. and you, apparently, are falling for it yet again. very sad.

real potatos…
so you’re saying obama has never mentioned someones name and their story in any of his speeches or debates before?! they do this all the time. whats the problem here?

I don’t really care about Joe the Plumber. In fact, I’d prefer not to hear about Joe again. The 30 mentions in last night’s debate were more than sufficient. McCain is just using “Joe” as another gimmick. What does McCain plan to do if he’s elected? How does he plan to address the mess we’re in, especially if he plans to continue the same economic policies that have worked so well over the last 8 years?

I guess mickey mouse can vote in Florida since he has a valid license. Even republican governor Crist thought the thing was overblown. The definition of hypocrisy.

Eh, Senator McCain,
the United Association of Plumbers and Pipefitters has endorsed Barack Obama already.

Obama hasn’t been pushing this the media has. Before little was talked about the meeting between Joe and OBama. The interview was even posted on Obama’s channel of his question and Obama’s answer. McCain for some reason brought him up during the debate. The scrutiny is because of John McCain not Barack Obama. Obama even gave Joe the benefit of the doubt if he wasn’t voting for him. But I guess McCain supporters like to be negative and cry foul for REGISTRATION FRAUD when every four years they commit VOTER FRAUD at the polls.

clabs…
so, you’re saying YOU think “all the signs are pointing in that direction” so you are just going to “assume” this to be true and come in here and jump on the bandwagon? makes sense.

We have had an elephant in the white house for eight years . Better call Joe the Plumber to remove all the —- .

Thank God Obama will be president. Just maybe, with his leadership, we can increase the levels in critical thinking in this country.
Currently, there are either too many suckers falling for the McChicken surprise or they’re just afraid because “THAT ONE” has a little more melanin than them OR it could be that white supremecy is on its deathbed spewing entitlement while still plugged to a respirator.
Guess who’s at the switch of that respirator?
Can you smell what the “B” Rock is cookin?!
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK

Tim:
Pardon me, but I think your grammar has got me confused. Didn’t you point blank ask if McCain planted him? I point blank answered, “Yes. And it backfired.” So what are you frustrated about?

Joe’s claim is stupid. Oh no! Poor “Joe” will have to pay 39% instead of 36%!!! But wait, he will also get a tax cut for health care and a capital gains cut. Whoops, the Republicans are wrong again!Anyway, why shouldn’t someone making 250K+ pay more than someone making 50K? How else do you republicans expect to pay for your Iraq War?

Blue – lest we not forget – a lot more people would have been killed had we pulled out of Iraq the way the democrats suggested. Remember Harry Reid claiming the war was lost. When we pulled out of Vietnam led by the liberal democrats over a million people died in Vietnam and Cambodia. Lets we not forget.

whats up sidney
that would explain mccains vp spreadind hate and calling obama a terrorist in the allentown pa area.

Just a Mom – glad you are offended by people making money. 5% of the US makes over $250,000. That is 1 in 20.
With the Jimmy Carter style inflation that is coming, you can expect that number to be a lot more common.

So “Joe the Plumber” is not a plumber and owes $1200 in back taxes? Not sure why the guy is so afraid of more taxes if he doesn’t even pay ‘em in the first place…
McCain can’t seriously use this guy on rhe trail or as a centerpiece of his economy plan. He’s damaged goods – with a record of lying and tax evasion.

Obama says women should sign up for Selective Service
Even as the U.S. confronts two long wars, neither Sen. John McCain nor Sen. Barack Obama believes the country should take the politically perilous step of reviving the military draft.
But the two presidential candidates disagree on a key foundation of any future draft: Mr. Obama supports a requirement for both men and women to register with the Selective Service, while Mr. McCain doesn’t think women should have to register.

Rev. Ike says “It’s sad that McCain seized on this guy who owes the IRS $1,200 in taxes ..”
There is nothing sad about a guy who is willing to work hard to better himself and his family.
It is sad that some in the American public can be bought off by a pandering tax swindle that will drive business and talent out of the US.
I am for working people – go Joe the Plumber – go Palin Family! You probably hate them, too.

I am now waiting for the cries that Joe the Plumber is a racist. No one is saying ACORN is racist.
Posted by: light headed Joe Biden
Actually, he just a tax dodger and a plant. I suspect that as soon as McGeezer gets wind of this he’ll distance himself from this loser. At least now we know why he’s got a aversions to paying taxes. By the way, there are no plumbers who make $250,000 dollars a year. It’s a lot closer to $60,000 a year which means Obama’s plan would be better for this tool.

Nat Turner:
Thank you for that thump on the head. The only thing I cannot get through mine is that we cannot get through theirs, especially when they’re so self-absorbed with what’s “in it for them” instead of what’s better for the country as a whole. Otherwise, we lose a major tenet of our Constitution: the right to the pursuit of happiness.

“When we pulled out of Vietnam led by the liberal democrats over a million people died in Vietnam and Cambodia”
That’s 2.5 million less than died in the war.

Where in the constitution does it say that taxes should be used for income redistribution? The the democrats say that is only “fair”. Why is it fair?
Fairness is not a good argument. The democratic version of fairness is a way to buy votes. Thank goodness for people like Joe the Plumber, who would make money in the swindle, and still sees through it.

light headed Joe
lets not forget, the Iraq war is the biggest foreign policy blunder in US history…… after the original reason for proved fallacious, Bush et.al. made up new reasons 3 or 4 times a year to continue to justify their mistakes….
it was a fraud, and the over 4100 US deaths are on Bush and Cheney’s, Wolfewitz, Addington and the rest hands….
They started a war and they got it wrong.
Bush fired those who knew what to do.
That’s the truth, and it’s also accurate.

light headed joe biden…
thank you!!! but, this clearly makes no difference to liberals. i wouldnt say all democrats, because there are some (sadly a decreasing number) of democrats who arent this stupid. liberals want socialism. plain and simple. fairness for all by way of the government.

Poor Tim. He doesn’t recognize that a good deal for the middle class 1) stimulates the economy and 2) is not “socialism” but fairness. Doesn’t that make requiring, by federal law, to carry car insurance “socialism”? If we have to insure our cars, why then, cannot we not come up with a viable way for the average taxpayer to afford health insurance for their bodies? This is not about you, but about the country; medical costs are rising, and people who become ill, injured, or maimed (including our own veterans) become the responsibility of the taxpayer. Period. So making life affordable by cutting taxes for the middle class (the rich are not suffering the consequences of this issue, thus they are only jumping up and down about not being able to afford a mortgage on their 3rd home or buying little Johnny a Honda instead of a Porsche. Heard of reality much?) benefits everyone. That is not a “left wingnut” idea, and most Americans are starting to realize this.

Vetting is not one of the McCain campaign’s skills. “Joe the Plumber” is not a licensed plumber, owes back taxes, would not see his taxes increase under Obama’s tax proposal, and is related to Charles Keating.
The Plumbers Union has, by the way, endorsed Barack Obama.

So, McCain is now going to spend some time with a Charles Keating relative.
Son of a guy who spent 40 months in prison for his involvement in Keating’s criminal affairs.
What a great idea!
McCain is running a pretty brilliant campaign.
No wonder John Cleese is following his every step with great attention.

Pardon me….how many reverse racists has Obama supported in Chicago for office?

“Pardon me….how many reverse racists has Obama supported in Chicago for office”
Probably far less than the real racists supported by John McCain.

So McCain gave a speech about immigration at an ACORN affair. That kind of pales in comparison to Obama’s ties to them and the voting process.

Well, at least McCain will talk to this guy.
Obama and Biden have been running around all day calling “Joe” every name in the book.
Hey, Barack….Spread the Love around, as well as the Wealth!!!!!!

Poor Tim. He doesn’t recognize that a good deal for the middle class 1) stimulates the economy and 2) is not “socialism” but fairness. Doesn’t that make requiring, by federal law, to carry car insurance “socialism”? If we have to insure our cars, why then, cannot we not come up with a viable way for the average taxpayer to afford health insurance for their bodies? This is not about you, but about the country; medical costs are rising, and people who become ill, injured, or maimed (including our own veterans) become the responsibility of the taxpayer. Period. So making life affordable by cutting taxes for the middle class (the rich are not suffering the consequences of this issue, thus they are only jumping up and down about not being able to afford a mortgage on their 3rd home or buying little Johnny a Honda instead of a Porsche. Heard of reality much?) benefits everyone. That is not a “left wingnut” idea, and most Americans are starting to realize this.

Looks like Joe the (unlicensed tax cheat) Plumber is also related to Charles Keating of Keating 5 fame! LOL This is like Christmas for the democrats!

Dear Mr. Light-headed:
Joe the Plumber is a plant. He asked Obama a question and McCain tried to steal the moment. McCain is the one with egg on his face, not Obama.
What’s funny is that Joe the Plumber is a relative of a Charles Keating associate – as in Keating 5. I smell a rat.
Furthermore, Obama is the one who is fighting for the working class. McCain and his rich wife and 7 houses don’t give a damn about them.

Ryan C says “Probably far less than the real racists supported by John McCain”
Name one.
Obama has quite a list on his side, Rev Wright and the Liberation Theology crowd add up quickly.

McCain was the one who put Joe the Plumber in the national spotlight by mentioning him during last night’s debate. As a result, made a fool out of the poor man and himself.

paul williams
the old lady calling obama an arab had me rolling on the floor—this absolutely was a mccain setup to get the pressure off him as he could make believe he knows nothing about what palin is doing.

No doubt McCain vetted Joe in the same way he vetted Sarah. Both are an embarassment to us all!

McChicken is going to need a plumber after this election:
Looking at the electoral landscape, there are seven must win states for McCain. Let’s go through them, shall we?
OHIO – Losing bad and falling further daily
FLORIDA – Are you serious? Don’t make me laugh.
Virginia – He’s down double digits already and it’s a RED STATE!
COLORADO – The place where Obama gives an historic speech and brings America together? McChicken = 0
Missouri – McChicken is fighting for his life. It’s neck and neck.
North Carolina – Elizabeth Dole is losing big. McCain will too.
Hmmmm, 1 out of 7 when you need 7?
MY FELLOW PRISONERS: Get ready for a blowout!
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!

revike
methinks mccain knows joe the make believe plumber and family very well;

“Ryan C says “Probably far less than the real racists supported by John McCain”
Name one”
Disgraced Gov Mecham of AZ.

Jwench:
Ain’t it sad that you even have to note these? It’s like 1/2 of American has Bush amnesia, but they still keep waving their flaccid half of their American flag, hoping that with McCain the economy, education, and our international reputation will be restored– carrying on the carcass of the Bush doctrine? Sigh.

Waaaaaaaaaah! I’m Joe The Plumber slash Joe Gets the Shaft. All I did was ask a simple question that the McCain camp asked me to ask and my job was to act as if I was affected even though I don’t even OWN A PLUMBER LICENSE!
I’m in debt, have tax liens and currently work under the table. McCain told me nobody would know.
I have one question for you.
Brother, GOT ANY SPARE CHANGE???
MCCAIN WILL BE SMASHED IN THE GE!
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK

light headed..
see, thats what most obama supporters truly believe. they believe if you dont support him, that you could care less about the poor and middle class. they just cant apprehend that people in the middle class could hate obama. its all about face value to the lefties.

Ryan – “Disgraced Gov Mecham of AZ.”
U.S. Rep. John Lewis

Way to go McCain! Is this your idea of fighting for the working man? I bet you think Joe the Plumber owes you a bit of gratitude for turning his life and lies into a public sideshow. You may have taught Joe a lesson you never learned. Speak the truth so that lies don’t come back to bite.

MY Friends , John McCain launched his campaign in the living room of Joe the Plumber .

Jwench:
And, I’ve found that camp to be awfully extremist. When Bush was “re-elected” (I use that term loosely), I cried, then bought a bumper sticker that says, “Bush Thinks You’re Stupid.” 2 people in the first week had the audacity to touch my property. One left a loud note on the windshield and bent it, and the other keyed my car. Are these people who stand for civil rights according to the Constitution? They scare me.

“U.S. Rep. John Lewis”
What about him?
He marched for civil rights and got his head bashed by your right wing forefathers.
Recently he became so concerned about the tone of the McCain campaign he felt he needed to speak up.
McCain is angry that he is being called to account for his campaign’s hateful rhetoric and he realizes that his legacy could be at stake.

What is sad is the fact that John McCain is latching on to this Joe the plumber.There are millions of Americans that need help not just this one guy with a dream.McCain and his republican friends see this guy as the typical American that would vote for him so they are blowing it out of proportion.He picked a “garsh darnit” speaking governor to rally the bubba vote and joe may be a decent guy but that bald white head has a stereotypical feel that would make the monster truck drivers yell “yeah haw”! McCain’s rallies sicken me and the support he has is littered with trash and a one color only majority thinking that I find disgusting.That republican convention was a cowboy hat all white affair and DOES NOT represent the country we really are.We are better than that and hopefully this country will wake up from it’s drunken stupor and vote for the right president this time by voting for Barack Obama.

mccain launched his campaign and invited his north nam buddies—-check it out–we know the hanoi songbird very well.

“he was totally out of line with what he said though”
Not at all. Here’s what he said.
“As one who was a victim of violence and hate during the height of the Civil Rights Movement, I am deeply disturbed by the negative tone of the McCain-Palin campaign. What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history. Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse.
“During another period, in the not too distant past, there was a governor of the state of Alabama named George Wallace who also became a presidential candidate. George Wallace never threw a bomb. He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama.
“As public figures with the power to influence and persuade, Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are playing with fire, and if they are not careful, that fire will consume us all. They are playing a very dangerous game that disregards the value of the political process and cheapens our entire democracy. We can do better. The American people deserve better”
Right wingers want to be able to cast their opponents in the most hateful of manners free from criticism.
There are consequences for whipping up hate.
And I am sure McCain was wounded by Lewis’s strong words. But those wounds are from the shame of allowing it to happen in the 1st place.

McCain/Palin= Chaos and Stupidity

ryan…
the point is, what has mccain done or said that is even remotely close to what george wallace did?! you are missing the point here.

Here you see..once again..Obama leaves a fish and Mc Cain who needs a cain btw..actually sneeks in and snatches it..hahahaha..it’s always funny to see him..following after Obama trying to steal…even after “CHANGE”.
Come on You can do better than that!:)
Obama we in Europe and all over the Globe are rooting for YOU!!No matter who tries to steal away your gain..you will still RETAIN!!

John McCain must be running out of tricks from his old torn magic hat such that he pulls out these kind of childish shows (i.e., Joe the fake “Plumber”) thinking American people can easily be fooled around. We did enjoy the stupidity & shameless flavors of the shows but I guess we should move on in this economic debacle! Although American students have lower mathematical aptitude than China & Japanese in general nowadays, we are still smart enough to do the math; especially on our taxes.

“the point is, what has mccain done or said that is even remotely close to what george wallace did?”
What has Obama done that makes comparison with Ayers ok? To imply that Obama is the same as the terrorist who hit us on 9/11?
McCain is whipping up hate amongst his base because that’s all he has left in terms of campaign strategy, tearing Obama down.
What Lewis was saying is such tactics are inherently dangerous and that whackjobs take their cues from public officials encouraging hate.
It was a warning to McCain to regain his sanity before something very bad happens.
The right wing reaction of course has been to become even more hostile and racist.

I’ll never vote for a man of color.I need just one excuse.I don’t think and only people that look like me are real Americans.I will be voting for John McCain because we can’t let them run the country.I am real American.
“Who thinks like this…many of you on this blog.” We will see in November”

Clearly Obama/Biden is the better ticket for this country.To dispute this is displaying ignorance.

“Obama claimed that someone in one of McCain’s campaign rally’s shouted “kill him” is a lie. The Secret Service investigated the incident, interviewed security agents and dozens of audience members, and the only person in that whole crowd who heard “Kill him” was … the reporter, David Singleton of the Scranton Times-Tribune.”
There have been two incidents of people screaming “kill him” at McCain rallies.
The first time it happened was clearly heard on video.

also, see unlike you on the left, i as a conservative, can actually disagree with “my” sides choice!!! im not ashamed to say i dont like mccain. sadly, i will still have to vote for him and hope for the best, but its the only choice i have. so dont try to make me or my conservative views more complicated than they really are. you just make yourself look really stupid.. lol

“im not supporting anyone. im just calling out the idiots. i dont like either one of these jokes we call canidates for your information”
Is followed by
“im ashamed to admit im a conservative apparently?!”
Is followed by
“i as a conservative, can actually disagree with “my” sides choice!!! im not ashamed to say i dont like mccain. sadly, i will still have to vote for him and hope for the best”

the ayers thing is about character. nothing more
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That’s BS.
McCain keeps saying “we need to know the whole story” and “we need to know the ‘real’ Barack Obama”
Those are blatent insinuations that there is some form of “secret information” that hasn’t been revealed. He’s not challenging character as you say.
Even though every credible factcheck organization has already stated McCain and Palin have grossly over exadurated the Obama-Ayres relationship, they are still pressing the issue as if Obama has “secret ties” to something.
It’s cheap, low-brow politics based on accusation and inuendo. McCain has sold what was left of his integrity to try and win an election.
Obama SHOULD have confronted McCain and made him say infront of the nation whether he is calling him a terrorost sympathizer or not. McCain is too much of a wuss to say it to his face.

Ryan C – you are talking about yourself and the obvious hatred you have for people who disagree with you.
One can point out that Ayers was/is a terrorist, because he openly admits it. What was Ayers line, “guilty as sin and free as a bird”.
It is the democratic party that has lost credibility. The constant yelling of racism when the secret service found on one yelling “kill him” in the audience. ACORN has flooded the registration system with illegal registrations and people have been caught voting on those registrations. Obama claims to have no connection with ACORN as his excuse – not believable.
The thug mentality of the democratic party is no reason to drop into name calling – even if Obama has encouraged his supporters to “street style” go out and gete in people’s faces.

ACORN is connected with Obama in ways that he cannot hide, and long term. He has been caught in lies about his connections to this organization. This and other falsehoods are now coming out, like his connection the Bill Ayers, his connection to Farakahn, and others in the subversive and criminal category. His denials of association with these people have been proven beyond a doubt. This makes the man a liar. It also makes him a devious cheat and theif.
From now on Obama has no credibility. No matter what he or his surrogates say about any issue, including Joe the Plumber, his sincerity and honesty will be questioned. He did it to himself.

For all you enamored with Obama’s pledges on taxes: remember Clinton 93?
“Seeking to explain why he is backtracking on a campaign promise to cut taxes for the middle class, President-elect Bill Clinton said Thursday that the plan was never a major theme in his race for the White House.
Mr. Clinton, speaking at a news conference a day after saying he would have to “revisit” his tax-cut plan, said Americans voted for him because of the “big things” he wanted to do.
The middle-class tax cut, he said, was not among them.
He said he was “absolutely mystified” that the news media had perceived it as a major pledge. In interviews Wednesday, Mr. Clinton said that, because of worsening deficit projections,”I have to put everything back on the table.”"
Hope that doesn’t happen…
Sowing the seeds of doubt…

“also, another thing for you lefties to think about. do you know any of your liberal friends or democrats in general that DONT support obama?!”
I thought generalizing large groups was a bad thing that the “lefties” did.
Guess that’s more of that “impartial observer” insight.

ryan…
please tell me one thing that you dont agree with senator obama on?

“The thug mentality of the democratic party is no reason to drop into name calling”
Said without a clue as to its hypocrisy.

“please tell me one thing that you dont agree with senator obama on”
His most recent FISA vote was disappointing.

Posted by: Wade | Oct 16, 2008 6:42:47 PM
That is sort of a dumb argument. At least the country was prospering under Clinton and yes he did leave a surplus. Bush has managed to blow that and a couple trillion more.

Jwench:
Are you saying it would be okay for Obama to bail on the tax cuts if necessary? Or add them in the future?
Under Clinton, prosperity came because of — lower taxes pushed by the R congress and a burst of growth under an expansion of the technology sector

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | Oct 16, 2008 6:47:34 PM
How come you don’t discuss McCain’s skeletons? You are all for bashing Obama. McCain and his follower’s have not room to throw stones.

Wade,
Always one to point out history ;-)
Would you like to discuss the candidate tax policies as applied to medium and large size businesses or should we wait for another day?

Let’s study the current actions of these two candidates.One picked a governor that stood up to her party.The other picked the chairman of Senate Foreign Relations.One is currently under investigation while the other hmm has made monumential decisions and been involved in passing monumential laws to protect this country for years.Which candidate picked a V.P. that is qualified to run this country.I support Barack, but honestly I think Joe is better suited to serve this country even more than himself.I feel very comfortable with the idea of a President Biden.McCain is out his mind and picking Sarah Palin proves it!President Sarah Palin.Now think about that.

“Obama regularly interacts with Ayers and there is some evidence that they proofed each other books”
I love the made up stuff that bubbles up from the right wing sewers.
No proof, just speculation later treated as fact.
Christ that was half of Corsi’s book!

That is sort of a dumb argument. At least the country was prospering under Clinton and yes he did leave a surplus. Bush has managed to blow that and a couple trillion more.
—————–
On behalf of Republicans, please don’t belittle our accomplishment.
We increased the debt by 5 TRILLION and gave the nation an ALL TIME RECORD deficit.
Not everyone can do that,

Jwench:
Are you saying it would be okay for Obama to bail on the tax cuts if necessary? Or add them in the future?
Under Clinton, prosperity came because of — lower taxes pushed by the R congress and a burst of growth under an expansion of the technology sector
Posted by: Wade | Oct 16, 2008 6:50:05 PM
Oh yes of course it was the Republicans who made things better. How silly of me.
If Obama gets in he will have to make adjustments as necessary. Anyone who thinks that there won’t be campaign promises on either side that will be broken is either stupid or naive.
It took a Democrat to clean up after the first Bush fiasco, it will take a Democrat to clean up after this one.

This Joe the Plumber event touched a nerve. I am surprised at the panic attack that the Obama groupies are having. Obama is still way a head in the polls. Why are they so angry?
The extent that they are going to cover up the story is also kind of amazing. They dug up the guys tax records and did a family linage on the guy. Next they will send Couric out to soften him up for a beating.

Joe the Plumber doesn’t have a plumbers license. He does work for A W Newell Corporation which does have a license. Go to Toledo Blade to read article. He has never taken apprentice course union or nonunion. He has two liens placed against him. One for taxes and one for money owed to a local hospital in 2007. There has been a second action filed in one of them. More to come I am sure. Smile – McCain will probably pay all charges for him. Especially since McCain has decided Joe the Plumber is now one of his key themes. This gentleman is a registered Republican. Joe is no knowledge about tax plans of the two candidates. I am not sure if he is going to have many problems now since he has gotten publicity all across America. Wonder about his employer and his Ohio plumbing license??? What else is there about Joe??? More to come!!!

You people slay me. So much innuendo and basic misinformation. No wonder our country is in the crapper. McCain likes to put his own twist on Obamas words.Even after Obama repeated his answer. Does he need a hearing aid? He chose to run for office at the wrong time, when Bush has practically destroyed the country. Then he took some bad advice about his VP pick. So he starts throwing negative punches and all the independents run screaming to the other side. Someone needs to tell McCain that it’s very easy to look up facts and news footage on the internet.So all those clips taken out of context are shown in full on the internet. And Joe the plumber. Can you say backfire?

Rev. Ike, I do not care about Ayers either but I do care about the fact Obama choose Ayers as his friend and than lied about the nature of his relationship with Ayers. Obama said Ayers “was just a guy in my neighborhood” when in fact Obama’s relationship with Ayers goes back as far as fifteen years ago.
Obama served on two foundations with Ayers. As chair of the Annenberg challenge that Ayers founded, Obama funneled thousands of dollars to Ayers’s anti-American school projects that as One such teacher taught; ‘The submission to Western civilization and its most outstanding offspring, American civilization, is, in reality, surrender to white supremacy.’ which is an echo of what Obama’s Pastor of twenty years taught.
The fact is anyone with an ounce of common sense should care about Obama’s relationship with Ayers, the fact Obama lied about it, and the fact Obama appears to support many of Ayers’s radical ideas. I know for sure that I would never even shake the hand of a person who as on 9/11 was quoted as saying “I wish I could have done more” in reference to his bombing of the Pentagon and other bombings.

If Obama had any common sense or good judgment he would not have hung out with terrorists, communists and crooks. Obama has no substance. Obama is al about the same old same old lefty mantra of class war fare based on confiscating wealth from American business, the job producers, and handing it over to a bloated and corrupt bureaucracy. What people do not seem to understand is what ever you tax you get less of. All of Obama’s TRILLION dollar spending plans are based on raising the taxes of American business and when American business crumbles and fails under the weight of Obama’s higher taxes, there will be zero taxes to pay for all of Obama’s government give away programs.

also, what people dont realize is that history has shown, that no matter what the tax policy is, revenue generally remains the same. so what does that tell us? maybe its a SPENDING problem?? just a thought.

Jwench:
Sorry, but you’re just bangin’ yer noggin against a brick wall with those. They have BA (Bush Amnesia).
Love the “Republican Parrot” reference. So THAT’S what Palin reminds me of… couldn’t put my finger on it, so thanks.

Does the McCain campaign ever do research before they act? Oh wait, no they don’t the picked Sarah Palin.

but basically voting for biden
99.999999% of Democrats DIDN’T vote for Biden.

Joe is such a great focal point for the debate.
Turns out that McCain vetting Joe about as well as he did Sarah. Nevertheless, there are a whole lot of people who speak, think, and act like Joe. Even though he may turn be something of a character, his questions and comments cannot be easily dismissed.
The guy is real. That is more that we can say for most of the people we have seen and heard during this campaign.

jwench…
well, thats a pretty broad statement… lol seeing that it kind of depends on what is important to you as a tax paying citizen. look at the top 20 american cities with poverty issues and you will find that 16 of them have CONSISTENTLY has democratic leadership. so, its more of a fundamental issue on the role of government. thats a broad statement.
Posted by: tim | Oct 16, 2008 7:17:47
I also told you to google it if you don’t believe me.

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | Oct 16, 2008 7:21:15 PM
Why are you evading the question about McCain?
You republicans are no better when it comes to name calling and lies.

Obama can’t defend his socialist “…and I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody” remark so it’s damage control time. Therefore, the campaign sends out attack-dog Biden…..
Problem #1: Biden conveniently ignore the fact Wurzelbacher told Obama he wants to buy a COMPANY that makes more than $250,000 a year. That’s different from saying Wurzelbacher, rather than the company, would make $250k a year.
Problem #2: Biden uses the word “cling” – a sure reminder to voters of Obama’s April reference to working-class voters who “…get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
Problem #3: Biden’s response is a transparently standard attack-mode straight out of the dirty tricks playbook – if it’s true, obfuscate and attack…..even if you’re attacking a middle-class working guy who’s simply talking about his desire to someday buy a business and move ahead in the world. It’s disgusting.
Prediction #1: Opponents will further make accusations that Wurzelbacher is an evil Republican plant who somehow mind-melded with Obama and forced him to come to his neighborhood, near his house and wait for him to stop playing ball with his son and hold a discussion with him.
Prediction #2: As usual, Biden’s attack on this everyman will equally help McCain and hurt Obama. Just what the voters want to see – a politician attacking the little guy who dares to dream the American dream.
Way ‘ta go, Joe. Again.

OneObservation – you make a good point about Joe the plumber. There are a lot of people who identify or at least like Joe. I am surprised that Obama and Biden are being so dismissive of him. The Obama speech today mentioned that he doubted any plumber could ever make $250,000.
These elitist politicians, who have never worked a day in their lives are ranking on a hardworking American, because Obama came to his door and could not answer Joe’s question.
Maybe the rich snot weather underground kids like Ayers have another American in mind.

This is one of the few times that Obama has failed to hit a softball question out of the park …
Explaining and defending the concept of progressive income taxes should not be a difficult response to Joe’s question.
With their small business and individual tax and financial incentives, the Obama campaign should be making political hay from this question … instead of letting McCain put them on the ropes over ‘income redistribution’
At least they could if the plans were actionable.

Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | Oct 16, 2008 7:28:40 PM
There ya go again with that Ayers crappola. Why aren’t you answering my question about Timmons and US Council for World Freedom???????? I also forgot G.Gordon Liddy.

re light-headed Joe
Actually, the question about whether there were death threats has aired several times today.
Don’t know whether it was said or not
Don’t know whether it was heard by Palin or not.
But it would be really easy for McCain and Palin to get up in front of a microphone and tell folks that their campaign does not sanction, encourage, or condone those kinds of comments … that even rumors of them hurt the credibility of their campaign.
I thought that McCain missed a chance to quell the noise about this on last nights debate and to show the leadership that he is capable of.

There is no name-calling on my end–go through the posts.
Second, education is the most vital resource for keeping this country pulsating,to moving forward (not non-issues), and Bush/the Republican administration of the last 8 years has done the most damage to the system in the last 40 years than any other party. No Blackmail Left Behind defeated its entire purpose; the drop-out rate in this century is higher than any other; billions cut for student loans, public education programs. And neither candidate is really putting forth an answer to that one.
Not too mention wasting trillions of taxpaper dollars on the Iraq invasion/ attempt at colonization. It’s a failure, and if everyone would get over “it would be disrespectful to the dead to surrender” and realize on one hand “Mission Accomplished” as in Bush got his man, and start getting out so that we can reconstruct our infrastructure with our own people and money, we could move on. Become independent and rebuild our name.
But keeping the Bush Doctrine Caboose chugging via a doddering 72-year-old man and his ignorant (hypocritical) sidekick isn’t going to cut it. So thank the sweet corn on earth that McCain tried to pull this stunt today–it just hurt his chances of keeping that failure train running.

Ryan:
Well, lying would be a sin. At least they “love thy neighbor” *snort* *chortle*

BREAKING NEWS: Sarah and Todd Palin might have received kickbacks from the contractors who were awarded the contract for $12.5 MILLION sports complex and hockey rink in Wasilla.

BREAKING NEWS: Sarah and Todd Palin might have received kickbacks from the contractors who were awarded the contract for $12.5 MILLION sports complex and hockey rink in Wasilla.
Posted by: Rev. Ike | Oct 16, 2008 8:01:25 PM
I am sure the Republican nut jobs will put some sort of spin on that too.

Obama talked to Joe for 5 minutes while canvasing in Ohio. Unprompted “Joe” asked Obama a question. Obama answered. The neighborhood cheered. I guess a lot of people liked Obama’s response…. just not Joe the plumber, who doesn’t like to pay taxes (even social security).

This is why his time with Ayers on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge is critical. When given other people’s money, Obama devotes it to cockamamie purposes thinking that he knows better.
Screw him.
Posted by: bluewaters | Oct 16, 2008 8:20:46 PM
How about McCain and the Keating scandal? That was other people’s money.
How hypocritical can you Republican’s be?

“1) You assume that Obama has the character, honesty and judgment to spend the taxes he confiscates from American business wisely.”
Are all taxes confiscated or just Obama’s taxes?
“(2) No business making less than $250,000 will have any incentive to grow and create new jobs because if they do they will be punished by higher taxes.”
We have a progressive tax system and have had one for decades. When you hit a certain level, you are taxed at a higher rate. Obama proposes raising the highest rate from 35% to 39%. If you think someone will stop working because they will be taxed an extra 4% on money they make above $250K, you are not very bright.
“(3) American businesses earning over $250,000 will be crippled by Obama’s higher taxes and unable to compete in the world wide market and most likely fail and go out of business or move to greener pastures taking all of the jobs with them.”
4% is a crippling tax? ROFLMAO.
What do you think of McCain taxing my employer provided health care then? That must be the end of the world.
We have to fix the education system in this country. Too many gullible and stupid right wingers running around.

Joe the Plumber doesn’t get it either. We’ve been giving the wealthy and large corporations tax breaks for the last eight years, and look where it’s gotten us. Giving tax breaks to the wealthy only works for the wealthy. It DOESN’T trickle down. I don’t think middle class folks mind working hard. I don’t think we mind paying a FAIR SHARE in taxes. But give middle class and poor folks extra income, and where do we spend it? In our communities, enriching local businesses, just like Joe the Plumber’s. When people are spending money in their home towns, the town benefits with a better tax base to be spent on education, infrastructure, etc. Just simple middle class economics 101.

Ryan C:
My fingers thank you. Less typing. Plus it takes a lot of energy to address sweeping generalizations.

Seriously are you people crazy?
The guy asked a question.
Yes he asked the messiah, but still.
You people know more about him than we do about Obama.
This is so disgusting…
maybe this guy didn’t lose the election for obama when he forced Obama to answer TRUTHFULLY that he’s a socialist.
The media may have lost it for him (HOW IRONIC WOULD THAT BE!!!)
by jumping on this guy for asking a question…I just hope someone does to your families what you are doing to this guy….seriously, are we going to be JAILED for talking about him if he is President?
THIS IS SCARY!!!!!
DON’T CROSS OBAMA…your whole personal
PERSONAL
life will be out on these stupid blogs.
UN effin BELIEVABLE!!!!

I am proud of the behavior of Obama at the final debate.
Still waiting for McCain to do something other than attack.

Leila, You wrote: “A candidate who chooses the lowest possible road to the White House: how could anyone ever want a man like that to become President?” Funny, that’s exactly how I feel about the Obama campaign myself!

I find it funny how Republicans have “Joe” and working shlubs like him fooled into carrying water for the rich.
Good luck all to all of you on getting your 250K+ salary, look at the labor statistics, its a pretty exclusive club and my bet is most of you will never make that kind of money in your lifetime.
Vote for your own interests not the rich mans interests, vote for the candidate that is going to do the most for you. That is what the rich do and that has a lot to do with why they are rich.
Typical rich man whining, Obama want’s to raise their taxes about 3%-9% on graduated income over 250K and they are acting like its the end of days. That amounts to nothing more than walking around money for them.
Since it was the rich who put Bush in office they should be taxed to pay for all the opportunities and calamity it has caused in America right now.

McCain, please do not flush your campaign in the toilet. Joe the Plumber is no ordinary American. He has dodged his taxes, plus two liens. The Huffingpost has tracked his relationship/connection to Charles Keating
McCain makes these quick decision, and repeats words as if little kids are listening. It would have been enough if he had moved to serious issues affecting America’s economy than repeat over 24 times Joe the Plumber. Gone, gone is Joe Six Packs who no longer afford beer.

Joe the Plumber is a victim of McCain’s desperation in the road to the White House. At least, he can be paid by a talk show or McCain’s campaign that is using his likeness in ads. This will make him afford to pay for his apprenticeship, plumber license, liens etc. He just struggles like any other American under Bush. McCain should face reality that NOT all Republicans make over $250,000 as Joe the Plumber demonstrates. Will fees for plumbing licenses or contractor licenses be lowered under McCain, or he wants them to create wealth without caring how much they got there. VOTE WISELY.

Well, this appears to be just another example of McCain jumping in without thinking. First it was the Sarah Palin pick, then it was “suspending” his campaign, now it’s glorifying this guy Joe, who’s not really a plumber, earns about $40,000 a year, and as it happens will be BETTER off under Obama’s tax plan.
McCain is running an abysmal campaign. I wouldn’t trust him to run a bath, let alone a country.

According to this business listing, “Joe the Plumbers” company has only $100,000 in annual SALES (not profits) so looks like Joe may have a ways to go…

McCain did as much background checking on Joe as he did on his vice presidential running mate Palin. McCain is an idiot who continuously tries to mislead voters. Vote from the most honest candidate whoever you think that is. Control your government or it will control you.

Joe did not seek out Obama.
Obama sought out Joe.
And now the press is trying to destroy Joe. That’s fabulous.
We know more about Joe than we do about Obama.
We find out about Joe’s tax liens here, but not that Obama’s treasurer has tax liens, or that Obama’s Finance Chariman is the Queen of the SubPrime mortgages, which brought to the precipice of calamity.
We know all about Joe, but we still don’t know how Obama got into Columbia or Harvard, or his grades, or even his medical record.
But by golly, Obama’s press is going to destroy a guy who makes $30k a year.

“On the day after Mr Wurzelbacher’s name came up in the debate, the US media dug into his background and discovered that he is a registered Republican, and that in 2007 the state of Ohio was forced to claim $1,182.98 in unpaid taxes from him.
A search of the register of plumbers in Ohio also revealed that Mr Wurzelbacher does not have a state plumber’s licence.”
Wow.
Congratulations!
Obama found Joe, NOT the other way around.
And now the long knives are out for Joe because he DARED question the Obamessiah.
This is a snapshot of what could be expected from an Obama Kingdom.
All dissent will be dealt with promptly.
Did you know Obama’s treasurer has outstanding tax liens?
Did you know his campaign Finance chairman was instrumental in the financial crisis?
Do you know Obama hasn’t released his medical records or his school transcripts?
But you have to destroy Joe!
We know more about Joe than we do Obama. But heck, Obama just wants to be President. It’s not as important as Joe.
Keep it up, kids.
This is the real Obama.

We know more about Joe then we do Palin WHO IS THE REAL SARA PALIN? Joe has done more talking with the press then Palin sad sad

“why was the media At his house?”
I am trying to understand what’s wrong with you people.
Obama found Joe.
BEFORE the debate.
Joe said something to question THE ONE.
Now Joe pays with his life.
Of course he was going to come up in the debate. Obama mentioned Joe several times.
Something’s obviously fishy there.

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Fire Palin and get Joe as VP that will be a smart choice. lol