McCain to Attack Obama for Public Radio Comments From 2001

There’s no denying it now.

People wake up. Voting for Obama is voting to lose our freedoms.
Will the media ever vet Obama?

Obama, again, will have to explain his comments. The liberal left will, again, accept it at face value. I do fear for this country and my children’s future.

Does McCain want to elaborate that African-Americans have been given the same opportunities as white people? That ought to be good.
1. It’s the same argument as Joe the Plumber – tried and failed.
2. Brings up a whole hosts of negative issues against the candidate using it for an attack.
It’s obvious the McCain campaign failed Campaign Blowback 101

Actually it looks to me that Obama was trying to say the EXACT opposite of what the Republicans are trying to claim he said. This might actually provide an opportunity for Obama to end this “socialist” atatcjk once and for it. Clearly he was saying that the civil rights movement shouldn’t ahve been using the courts to try and redistribute wealth.

WOW see you can do it Jake, sure you take some flack from the Obots, but you printed some truth.
(Careful now, make sure you print 5 or 6 hateful McCain stories to make up for this one)

It seems like the McCain campaign is run by Fox News, The Drudge Report, and Rush Limbaugh.
Did they ever apologize for pushing that “B” hoax?

jen, you can condemn drudge all you want and call it sleeze and lies, but the tape is in Obama’s own word, he recorded it, his voice, his words. You want to condemn someone, try the person who spoke the words!

McCain still taking his cues and talking points from Fox News? When will he learn that Hannity isn’t the best person to take advice from in regards to running a campaing. I only wish I could be in copy to that first letter Senator McCain writes to President Obama…It will pain McCain seal it and ship it…McCain and Palin say not to grab statements from the past (unless they think it can gain votes)…The socialist theme isn’t working folks.

This attack is not going to work for McCain. It is too complex. I have been listening to the entire interview, and it is very academic. Frankly, the only bombshell in it, is that Barack, the great orator, can bore you to tears when he is discussing academic issues.

“I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts”
People only express “not optimistic” about things they wish would happen. (ex., I’m not optimistic I’ll win the lottery).
Redistributive change is taking from one to give to another. It is not about creating equal opportunity. (ex., Obama plan explicitly pays for tax cuts to 95% filers (tax paying and otherwise) by raising taxes on 5%.
That’s not the same as raising taxes on some in order to create education/training programs, bringing in funds for infrastructure, etc. which many people might support. It’s taking money that one person earned and giving it to someone else. Explicitly. How can anyone square that with most concepts of American values?

Drudge doesn’t write news you dummies. He just links to other sources. Often liberal rags like the new york slimes.

I can’t believe the idiocy. Everyone who is crying that Obama wants to redistribute the wealth is part of a party that supports the progressive income tax system. We ALREADY redistribute the wealth. And anyone in the R party that proposes otherwise (Forbes, Paul) is not taken seriously. When you are all ready to demand a flat tax, look me up again. Until then, I refuse to vote for any Republican candidate.

The context of the clip is the civil rights movement, and the commonplace observation (began with MLK) that the ’60s movement succeeded in winning African-Americans legal rights but stopped short of lifting them out of poverty.
Is senator McCain, the man that has a rocky civil rights record, seriously going to nosedive into this issue?

ANother republican lie. When will they decide to run on actual issues?

jen, you can condemn drudge all you want and call it sleeze and lies, but the tape is in Obama’s own word, he recorded it, his voice, his words. You want to condemn someone, try the person who spoke the words!
Posted by: samhiguchi | Oct 27, 2008 10:43:05 AM
** Okay then we need to ask why McCain voted AGAINST the Bush tax cuts?? Now he wants to keep the same cuts so they can ruin our economy even more

Obama said. “I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.”
Obama admits this is his priority. Wiyj Pelosi and Reid he will steal our income.

Even if McCain had a real point here, his credibility is shot.
He could argue that the sky is blue and people would doubt it.

Americans are about ready to drink the Obama koolaid… same sex marriage, the redistribution of wealth, gun control, universal health care, fairness doctrine…… reminds me more of a cult than reality, but when you vote for a cult figure you get what you deserve.
Posted by: Robert | Oct 27, 2008 10:55:36 AM
** exactly like the America we’re living in today.. which has became increasingly worse in the past eight years.. I just don’t understand why Republicans are talking about Dems ruining American when they’ve held the Presidential office 20 out of 28 years.. I just feel we can do better if we get these conservatives out of office!

This NPR opinionating by Obama is worthy of one of those Gibson “In his own words…” schticks. It is doubtful, dare I say certain, that will happen. Don’t you agree, Jake the Journalist?

Republican for Obama; it was the democrats that caused this financial crisis. You need to investigate more and not just abc, nbc evening news.

(YAWN)….jeez that’s all you got?

A despirate man grasping at straw.
It is so shameful that McCain is running a Campaign like this.
It shows that McCain of old was all pretense. This is the real McCain. There was never a straight talk McCain. There was never McCain the maverick. It was all fake. And to think that Americans were fooled.
The McCain aptly named McNasty by his Friends. He is indeed living up to that sobriquet.
It is indeed a pleasure knowing the real McCain.
I urge him to continue playing dirty. He should keep slinging dirts and he should keep up with “the ends justify the means” Politics.
I hope Americans wont be fooled once again.

From “Make Believe Maverick”:
“John has made a pact with the devil,” says Lincoln Chafee, the former GOP senator, who has been appalled at his one-time colleague’s readiness to sacrifice principle for power. Chafee and McCain were the only Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts. They locked arms in opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. And they worked together in the “Gang of 14,” which blocked some of Bush’s worst judges from the federal bench.
“On all three — sadly, sadly, sadly — McCain has flip-flopped,” Chafee says. And forget all the “Country First” sloganeering, he adds. “McCain is putting himself first. He’s putting himself first in blinking neon lights.”

It is clear from the audiotape and tape script (above) that Obama was talking about redistribution of wealth. Jake: why to you give so much space to Obama’s campaign to rebut Obama’s statements? You know their statements are biased.
We’re lucky the audiotape was found because voters need insight into who Obama really is, in his own words, before he decided to hide his record.

JG – when Bush was elected I was giddy. Joy turned to horror as I watched the size of government explode, the defict roar, and people like Ted Stevens running around like I am his own personal ATM. How can you not find THAT offensive?
Progressive income tax IS redistribution of wealth. I supported Ron Paul during the primary. I cast my vote for Obama. I’d rather have the devil I know, who says what he is.
Maybe the GOP will get it together if they lose bad enough. Or maybe I’m wrong about everything and Obama can actually solve problems. Whatever the case I don’t think he can do much worse.

Hey VA– do ya think Obama was an addict too?

Too many people have fallen for the line that Obama’s plan to modify the tax code is a redistribution of wealth. It’s not. It’s doing what every President before Obama has done- change the tax percentages. When Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy, was he redistributing wealth to the few? When McCain proposed giving further tax breaks to big corporations, including oil companies, is he also redistributing wealth? Then why is it only called redistribution of wealth when the plan is to give the tax break to everyday people? Because that’s what the Republican party wants you to believe. Both parties have philisophical differences in terms of which segment of the population should bear a bigger tax burden. No matter who wins and what changes are made, no wealth will be redistributed.
I think it’s more responsible to give breaks to the middle class, especially in these times. Ordinary people didn’t benefit when Bush gave big corporations tax breaks. The wealthies few got wealthier while the working class either stayed the same or found them selves worse off than before. The trickle down philosophy didn’t happen.

Just like the national review article said, there is really nothing taken out of context here, because those are exactly Obama’s words, IN CONTEXT. Of course, like everything Obama says or does in the past, his response will be “that’s not what I meant”.
This is a bombshell, HUGE news. But, just like with Biden threatening our coutnry’s national security, why is this not front page news? Can you imagine if McCain or Palin had said something like this? Why is the media burying this story?
AGain, bias, bias, bias. You need no further examples, it is appalling.
Obama is committed to stealing our success. That is not capitalism. That is not being an American.
It is readily apparant in the interview. He does not want to grasp the idealogy of limited power in our government. He wants FULL power.
He is doing it now by censoring those who speak negatively against him, like in Missouri, or with Kurtz in Chicago, or with that Florida biden interview, or with Joe the plumber.
Be afraid, Americans, be very afraid.

We are all gonna pay big time if this socialist obama gets into office…and all the idiots that voted for him are gonna be like….well….we didn’t know exactly what REPARATIONS meant…we didn’t think he really meant redistribution….

KB,
Are you a College Graduate?
You need to be able to distinguish between “a Law Professor” and “Professor of Law”
He did not call himself a Professor of Law.

Why is everyone so upset that Obama indicated that more should be done to redistribute economically to those that were shut out until the Warren court intervened? It is what it is, he favored the idea of making reparations for the adverse effects of segregation. Does that change anyones vote?

wow once again morons are arguing for the red side
these arguments got us the last 8 years
enough
throw these bums and their foolish supporters out…
take our country back and get us back to the standing we once had before they got involved and the people on these blogs supporting mccain started spewing this bologne.

The problem with spinmasters like Fox News is that they go find 7 year old tapes and try to take a few sentences out of context to spin. I think it’s because they’re too stupid to recognize an academic argument or discussion, having all graduated from college with a “gentleman C” like President Bush.
Obama is clearly having a nuanced and intelligent discussion of jurisprudence here, not advocating for court-ordered redistribution of wealth. He’s even taking a very conservative line in saying that the courts are NOT the proper place to resolve some social issues, and that the civil rights movement’s reliance on the courts in that way was an error.
Only someone too dumb to understand intelligent argumentation and discussion could possibly interpret this as an argument for court-ordered wealth redistribution. Just another neo-con spin job.

I am curious to the McCain defenders…. does McCain support the Earned Income Tax Credit, or does he want it repealed? Think carefully before you answer! LOL

Hey VA– do ya think Obama was an addict too?
Posted by: cardinal | Oct 27, 2008 11:06:38 AM
*He might have been.. but he didn’t steal his drugs from the sick… thats low and shameful for Cindy who makes millions..

I friend said to me:
“I can’t work but I have never asked for help from the government, someday I may have to.
I have a son in the military and the thought of Obama and the Dems wanting to cut back worries me a lot. I wish people would consider how much better McCain would be at handling this war or wars we are in. Obama has been wrong about how to handle the war and the troops from the beginning. Biden knows this. Was he warning us? So many lives may depend on who our next president is. If for no other reason I would like to ask Americans if I could to think about this before they vote to put a freshman senator in the highest office in the land.”
I must say I totally agree with my friend.

I guarantee that electing Obama/Biden will wipe that smile off your face!
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*I* guarantee it will put a big smile on my face. Imagine having a calm, intelligent, well-spoken president — what a change.

Whatever.
McCain now has more evidence for an attack nobody gives a s*** about except for the Republican base.
He’s got 8 days. People aren’t suddenly going to start being afraid of “socialism” when they haven’t been for the last two weeks, or even decades.
Just keep shouting. Please, just keep shouting. And stay classy.

dl – in America, I believe it’s bologna

Republicans, racists and McCainiacs are so desperate for something that will derail the inevitable, that they read the opposite into what people actually say, and deny what already exists.
I sure hope President Obama puts a lot more funding into mental health, ’cause the Republicans, racists and McCainiacs are going to need lots of counseling to be able to get through their days without thinking about ending it all.
Let’s just be truthful, the idea of a non-white president is destroying your whole purpose for living..and that’s a shame.
It’s time you accepted what it means to be a “Real American”.

Upon listening to the interview, I find myself more disappointed in the simple-mindedness of the McCain campaign and its supporters and even more impressed with Obama’s intellect, insight, and education. Small-minded people will be quick to jump on these comments for what they think they understand, but they won’t have much capacity to comprehend what’s being said. It’s unfortunate that we have such a short-sighted, confirmation-biased, uneducated population… the kind that would re-elect Bush or be excited by Palin. I’m just looking forward to the Obama presidency. I’m looking forward to having a smart president.

I listened to that radio interview and Obama is focusing on the need to “redistribute the wealth” (not provide opportunities for wealth) but “redistribute the wealth.” Maybe Burton needs to really listen to the tape instead of revising Obama’s statements.
P.S. There is also a tape out where Obama says the Constitution is “flawed.”
Obama’s own words are helping complete the picture that include Wright, Ayers, Pfleger, etc. It ain’t pretty.

Oh and by the way, it’s too late for the negative ads to work. McCain apparently hasn’t noticed he’s not convincing anyway. Oh except he is making is already angry base even angier, as if that’s hard.

This is a perfect example of why McCain is losing. I think the majority of Americans, were they to read the entirety of these comments, would agree with Obama. And yet McCain is going to try and distort them. I think/hope/pray that Americans are wise to these GOP tricks this time around.

His own spoken words back in 2001 and on the campaign trail make it crystal clear. Barack Obama believes in wealth redistribution. He also believes that wealth redistribution can happen legislatively, bypassing the courts.
Who here doubts that given his record, his “off-the-record” rhetoric, and the likelihood of a liberal-leaning Congress – that he will not try to implement this kind of fundamental change?

Oh
thanks
I do that all the time.
“bologna”…lol

Mr. Tapper, you continually write articles that are worth while. Thank you.
I applaud Senator Obama for that radio conversation. He, a supporter of human rights, was making clear what the courts could do and said clearly that people had relied on the courts to get what they really can’t get from them. Civil rights advocates should have moved more of their efforts to community activism and building support that would drive legislation. This should be applauded. Obama doesn’t support changing the constitution.
I didn’t hear anything in what you said above or on the link where Obama supported spread the wealth monetary reparation. Outside of that radio conversation, I have hear from Senator Obama that he is against such reparation for the past. What he has said that programs can be created to help all of the poor and middle class that provide the infrastructure for them to rise above their situations. We have heard some already…Early education, College loans for community service, small business loans, etc.. As it turns out, there are a disproportionate number of people of minority at the low end. However, all people benefit, not just one group. This is why I really support Obama, because he is inclusive and doesn’t look to incite this devisiveness based on race.
The irony is that the Republicans and this horrific McCain team will exploit this good words of a good man to say things he doesn’t believe and would never act in such a way. I have lost all respect for McCain and the RNC. At this point there is no gain in my mind with these particular people. This behavior shows the world what they have as their internal core. They have no moral compass.

Tracey wrote: “I think Obama could run unclothed through Washington DC shouting “I’m a Communist and I slept with Bill Ayers!” and people would comment that he has a cute bottom.”
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Best post by far, the reality is there are no “undecideds” left in this election. We will know where they all fall next Tuesday.

Here comes reparations, better known as the new welfare state. Who knew the “redistribution” was just another name for economic racism?

Even if Obama was saying that he didn’t have a problem with the Courts authorizing redistribution of wealth, which he obviously isn’t, he says that its up to the community to pull itself up, would that be such a horrible thing to say, considering the huge gap in wealth that we have in this country?
We have HUGE amounts a poverty, shameful considering the amount of wealth that the richest 5% of the country have amassed so quickly in the past decade thanks to legislation that gave the elites every advantage possible.
That Obama would be considered a bad man for saying something that, let’s face it, Jesus preached every day is ironic to say the least.

It amuses me all the right-wing crazies are harping on about ‘biased’ treatment of Obama in the media, when the only reason they know anything at all about these so-called ‘associations’ and ‘socialist aspirations’ of Obama, is because the right-wing hack job working for McCain puts it out there, puts a nice little spin on it, and hopes somebody will buy it. There are plenty of things the Dems could attack both McCain and Palin on, (want some suggestions?) but Obama chooses not to because he knows it isn’t what people want to hear about. So, by all means right-wing fanatics, go on and on about this, it won’t make the blindest bit of difference if you talk about things that happened 7 years, or 10 years, or 40 years ago, the American people won’t listen. We’ve had it up to here with right-wing philosophies telling us what to do, and telling us we’re wrong when we disagree. We’ll be making decisions based on fact, not half-baked fiction.

Lets get smart people back in our leadership…
8 years of stupid has almost destroyed us.
throw these bums out.

Bill Burton said, he was referring to the Civil Rights movement. Yet he mentions economic redistribution. He referenced the Civil Rights movement as an example, but I have no doubts, by what Obama says here, he wants to rewrite the constitution, and wants the Supreme Court, eventually, and I’m sure with his hand picked judges…overturn the constitution.
Why is it Bob Boekle not to long ago said, Obama was talking about budgets for schools in this interview?
Amazing all the spins, and twists, and turns.
Obama has mentioned redistribution of wealth three times now. These aren’t typos, or misspoken statements. Or even taking what he says…wrong. It is, what it is.
It’s insulting, that you don’t feel the average Amercian can read this, and understand exactly what he’s saying.
Spin it all you like, but the bottom line is…Obama wants more control as President, and will rewrite the constitution to make it happen.
Our founding fathers didn’t write this into the constitution for one basic reason. They wanted a new government, where at the Federal level, they would not embed themselves into the personal lives. I know they’re in deep now, but this is where we need to turn it around.
Giving the government this kind of power and control won’t make life better, it won’t give more liberties, and freedoms. It will make everyone dependent, reliant, and slaves to the government.

Ok, I’m tired of this past 8 years b.s. If you actually paid attention you’d know that it has been the past 2 years that this country has taken a turn for the worst. Why is that? Congress. If you took Government in high school (I know some of you might not have gotten that far) you’d know that Bush, I hate to say it, actually had some good policies, but we’d never know that, why? Congress woulnd’t pass any of them. Congress wants to make their own party look good and won’t pass anything until a Dem is in office… just to make the Reps look bad and Dems look good, at OUR expense. Does this mean we should get a Dem in office? No, then there would be no checks and balances. I wish people would realize it doesn’t matter who gets the Presidency, we NEED to change the people in congress. You want real change? Stop voting rep or dem, neither one has your interests in mind. Nader ’08

All Obama’s Tax plan does is return the income tax to the same level as it was under Reagan and Clinton. Wealth redistribution has already been happening for the last 8 years!- Under Bush and McCain it’s redistributed UP to the top %5 of the population. (Joe the Plumber and 95% of the rest of us are not in this group and under Obama we will all get a big tax cut!

Obama has been wrong about how to handle the war and the troops from the beginning.
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With all due respect, it would seem that from Obama’s stance toward starting the war with Iraq, he’s likely to treat the lives of our service people with much more caution than Bush/McCain.

I don’t think most Americans are opposed to a progressive tax system that pays for the legitimate functions of government. Most Americans are opposed to a progressive tax code whose primary function is to “spread the wealth”. Obama’s tax plan to tax families with incomes over $250K (individuals over $182.5K, I think) and redistribute to persons which pay no income tax is socialism plain and simple. If Obama is elected, I hope the producers in this economy will become John Galts and take their money out of banks, move their stock investments to foreign markets, buy only necessities, maximize their deductions, minimize their income, etc. Obama complains that Republican policies have not made the economic pie bigger and greedy CEOs have left only crumbs for the poor and middle class. I agree with Glenn Beck, America is a freakin’ bakery, bake your own damn pie.

“And yet McCain is going to try and distort them.”
There is nothing to distort. It’s Barack Obama in his own words. And no, most Americans believe in a tax code that stimulates economic growth and job creation.
See the beauty…?
Posted by: Cliff | Oct 27, 2008 11:26:16 AM
* wonder how many jobs we’ve created in the past 8 years? O yeah I forgot we’re losing jobs everyday.. reported it might be a million jobs lost this year.. w/ Republican tax code..

Maybe the problem is too many people don’t actually see redistributing the wealth as a bad thing. Concentration of wealth is insane in this country. It is bad for a free market too, because those who accumulate the capital suppress competition.
Didn’t Marx prophesize that capitalism would lead to concentration by it’s design, and then the masses would organize? Hello Internet.
In any case, it’s going to be an interesting four years.

That’s a nice spin from the Obama campaign, only it’s not what he actually said. Anyone can go and listen to the actual interview and see that Obama wants to bring about wealth redistribution through legislative means. Lefties will defend it, because they want the same thing as well; the only question is whether the majority – who don’t want that kind of socialism in this country – will be forewarned.

John McCain is looking better every day.

John – Your math is interesting, but not sure of your premise. Those who dislike redistribution the most are those paying 80K or more, b/c there are families/individuals not paying at all. Can they send in for a refund?

Pulling an interview from 2001? Wasn’t that the year John McCain advocated “spreading the wealth” too? When he said: Here’s what I really believe: That when you reach a certain level of comfort, there’s nothing wrong with paying somewhat more.
Make no mistake, a vote for McCain/Palin is a vote for Fascism and the destruction of YOUR RIGHTS.

Once again – McCain misses the point:
The context of the clip is the civil rights movement, and the commonplace observation (began with MLK) that the ’60s movement succeeded in winning African-Americans legal rights but stopped short of lifting them out of poverty.

I seriously doubt anyone who is wasting their time blogging about this makes over $250,000 a year- in which case under Obama you’re “wealth” won’t be “redistributed” at all-you’ll get a tax cut! Isn’t that all you tax hating patriots want anyway?

Is this really wealth redistribution or is it “loving your neighbor as much as you love yourself?”
Jesus said, “From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded, and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked.”
Luke reported, “All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. . . . There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles’ feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.”
Obama said, “I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you–that they’ve got the chance at success, too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Coach A: Make sure all the members of the team get a chance to play in the game even if only for a few minutes. Doesn’t leave anyone sitting out on the bench for every game of the season.
Coach B: Only play the team members who you think will successfully win the game. Leave the others that aren’t “naturally” skilled sit on the bench.
Which coach would you prefer your son or daughter play under?

The operative word is redistribution. That means taking from some to give to others. It suggests that somehow those who do well are doing something wrong and must pay those who are not doing as well. A systemic wealth-gap cannot be redressed with income redistribution. What is needed is to lose this victim- mentality (which politicians like Obama play on) and improve your own lot instead of looking to government. Stop eyeing other people’s pie and make your own damn pie.

Socialism…Marxism…whatever.
We’re going to get whatever Obama wants us to have. The doe-eyed sheep are going to follow him, singing “Yes, we can”..all the way to the slaughter with the pied piper media leading the way.
Big Daddy government is soon to be upon us. Yay. Gimme Gimme Gimme. It isn’t fair…WaaaaaaaaaaWaaaaaaaa..
At what point to we figure out that fairness is an ideal that can not be created and it certainly cannot be forced? Life, quite simply, is not fair. You can deal with it…or complain about it…but it is what it is.

This is to heather
actually Obama has said quite a few times in the past he agreed with Bush’s policy on Iraq and if put in the same situation he doesn’t think he would change it in an interview from 2005/2006
So that is supporting the war in Iraq no matter how you try to say it isnt and WMD were found but the MSM as usual was too busy reporting on Brittney or some celebrity

“constitution is made up of negative rights”
More nonsense by Barry. Our Constitution guarantees personal liberty and limits government control over our lives.
“Bush and the GOP have been CONCENTRATING all our wealth.”
Do I even need to respond to this? EVERYONE is losing in this economic climate, even the rich.
I’m quite dizzy from the spin coming from Obama supporters. The radio interview covered a lot of ground, one of which was wealth redistribution. I don’t see how this can be spun.
Obama clearly identifies himself as a redistributionist, even if he’s saying that the courts are not going to be a successful venue for it.

(f his plan is implemented) we would have to see about a 6% layoff.
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Oh, I see why there are fewer private jets parked on our runway. Everyone is pulling back in anticipation of THE TAX INCREASES. In fact, this whole economic crisis is probably Obama’s fault.

Dittoheads unite!
You have nothing to lose but your…
ILLUSIONS!

k
that’s bologna…for 98% of companies…
if the original email isn’t made up (which my guess it is)
the reasons behind the lay off..has absolutely NOTHING to do with Obama’s tax raises on income.
it’s all the same spin republicans have used for 4 decades…
this time those arguments have destroyed us so far down now
they will not work.
Companies don’t frivolously hire or fire people based off personal income taxes of CEO’s.
Work forces are needed or not based on efficiency and effectiveness. If they are going to fire someone it is due to the economy…
and if they keep the personnel it is because they need them to actually BE a company.
Income taxes of people making over 250k gross…
same spin republicans have been using to make sure tax burden ratio on the middle class grows at twice the rate as on the top wealth in this country…
and tax loopholes for the wealthy.

It doesn’t matte which bozo we put in office. Mickey Mouse could do the same thing they are saying. One is a socialist the other needs to sit back and enjoy the fruits of his labor. Both are full of #### adn lie through thier teeth.

Obama is using the $250,000 threshold to get his foot in the door. But…
The median household income in the U.S. is $50,000. So if you make over $50,000 you could be considered “wealthy” and forced to hand over more of your income to support Obama’s redistribution philosophy.
Posted by: marylou | Oct 27, 2008 11:37:22 AM
*8 Okay well McCain said wealthy is 5 million… so you make the choice? and we all know you are lying because 50,000 is not wealthy and Obama did not say that… by the way Mary Lou are the fundamentals of the economy still strong like McCain said?

Here’s the GOP reality:
McCain: Populist Flip-Flopper. Believes in Luke 12:48, “From everyone to whom much has been given, much will be required; and from the one to whom much has been entrusted, even more will be demanded.”
Palin: Socilaist Governor of the most Socialist state in the union!

Obama not interested in the suburbs
IE: Middle Class
In interviews, Mr. Obama was modest and careful. (In a rare slip, he told The Associated Press: “I’m not interested in the suburbs. The suburbs bore me.”)

“Isn’t any tax greater than 0% the redistribution of wealth?”
obamabots post the darndest things.
NO. taxes exist to pay the necessary costs of government such as defense and education. Redistibution of wealth is the arbitrary confiscation of income to reward someone who did nothing to earn it.

Posted by: marylou | Oct 27, 2008 11:41:36 AM
** Black people don’t care about reparations… do you really think we believe that we are going to get reparations in 2008? We were just at least hoping we could runa campaign w/ a black person without all the racists coming out to ruin our race.. which most republicans have found a way to do. It just shows the people who aren’t prejudice how stupid the conservative party it. It shows how they aren’t thinking Country First, they are thinking Party First.

“Isn’t any tax greater than 0% the redistribution of wealth?”
obamabots post the darndest things.
NO. taxes exist to pay the necessary costs of government such as defense and education. Redistibution of wealth is the arbitrary confiscation of income to reward someone who did nothing to earn it.
Posted by: geevill | Oct 27, 2008 11:43:42 AM
** I have an idea! How about we get out of Iraq.. a war we spend 10 billion dollars on a month and a war that the idiots (McCain, Bush, GOP) have gotten us into without Osama or weapons of mass destruction..

geevil
you must think Lincoln, FDR and Washington were idiots.
stupid is as stupid does
same team
same tactics
same dumb arguments
9th year.
throw the bums out.

The republicans have latched onto this phrase, “redistribution of wealth” to critisize Obama’s economic plan. Any change in the tax code is a redistribution of wealth. The problem is the republicans distribute it mainly to the top 1 percent of the population (Mr. Fuld made $240 million while his company, Lehman Bros failed ruining the savings of thousands of people). I gues this type of distribution where one man unfairly makes $240 million in 2 years while 40 million have no health insurance is okay. So much for that “shiny city on the hill.” We are truly a banana republic.

marylou
read
Obama does not want to do anything you said.
it is misleading statements that got us the last 8 years
and the same team continues.

Paint, that’s the beauty of Obama. Pit middle America against “the wealthy”. Get them to vote for a concept in which they themselves will benefit rather than pay. Once they find out that they themselves will be paying, it’s too late.
Obama wants to give tax refunds to people who pay zero taxes – about 40% of our country. Do you really think a 3% increase in taxes on a few of us is going to pay for that – in addition to all of Obama’s increased spending?
Posted by: marylou | Oct 27, 2008 11:46:48 AM
* Maybe not MaryLou but I know the war the President Bush started would help.. 10 billion dollars a month totaling to 1.2 trillion dollars a year.. don’t you feel that money should be used for something better since we as a nation are struggling?

Obama would be creating another set of slaves.
That would be those of us who pay all the taxes.
We are in the minority now. Soon we wil have no voice at all.

At this stage of the campaign, the very idea of the McCain campaign going in this direction is an attempt as desperation. Also, many people are already feeling the effects of the economic meltdown; they have associated this problem with the party in control; the Republicans.
Mr. Obama said these statements 7 years ago and they are being taken out of context. Also, one person referred to 100 million people as slackers; when you think that 120 million people are the work force, the GOP thinking is that over 80% of the population are slackers. This is insulting to hard working Americans everywhere and it is a very elitist statement to make. It is comments like this is why the GOP is doing so lousy in the polls. Statements like “a nation of whiners” and “mental recession” from Senator Gramm does not help the GOP cause. Less than 6 weeks after he made those statements, the nation had the economic meltdown. And on that very day, John McCain said the “fundamentals of the economy are strong”; as did George Bush.
As for “redistribution of wealth”; if restoring the highest tax rates under Reagan, George HW Bush and Clinton are considered bad fiscal policy; then why ha the US budget deficit mushroomed in the past seven years? I do not see anything wrong to restoring the higher bracket tax rates that even John McCain was against lowering in 2001.
In a democracy part of the cost of the democracy is to pay one’s fair share in taxes. The problem with the GOP arguments is that they believe they should not pay any taxes and those in the middle class should pay all the taxes. I have no problem paying taxes, but I expect everyone to pay their fair share, including the wealthy who has been finding ways for years to escape paying them. Read the tax code sometime to see how special interests and corporate America gets away with not paying their fair share.
So, if paying your fair share is defined as “redistribution of the wealth” so be it. This argument will fall on deaf ears of those who are struggling in this country at your pleasure.

vote vote vote
OBAMA BIDEN 08…!
NETHERLANDS ANTILLES

“I gues this type of distribution where one man unfairly makes $240 million in 2 years while 40 million have no health insurance is okay.”
I’m not sure how you’re capable of characterizing making money as unfair on the premise that some people don’t. I assume you make money. But of course you don’t consider the amount you make to be unfair, because you have a vested interest in defending your own lifestyle.

insanity is trying the same thing, or voting the same way, over and over again and expecting a different result! OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

So let me get this straight, McCain is going after Obama for taking the conservative view of Judicial interpretation? His 2001 arguement is that people have tried to get the courts to intercede on things that they shouldn’t too much. I am at a loss as to how McCain thinks this is a good play.

People fear change. People fear a balck man. Rich people want to continue to be rich and do not care about anyone else. Even though many ULTRA rich are getting there pockets lines due to unfair Republican policies.
Middle class people work. I do not know why you folks say that we are looking for a hand out.
Posted by: Greg Rodgers | Oct 27, 2008 11:49:28 AM
** No most people fear white people. Native Americans, Latinos, Black people Asian people.. Most people that are minorities don’t trust white people because like McCain most of them are looking out for their best interests, no matter who it hurts or not. The reality is the white people have done great injustice to this nation w/ the Native Americans, Slaves, Jews (should have went to WW2 faster) and anyone else that isn’t ‘like them’.

dl, Obama is a typical politician, saying what he thinks will win him the White House. His followers are wearing blinders. The rest of us aren’t.
I’ve run the math on his proposals, and a 3% increase on the wealthy doesn’t begin to cover it.
I’ve listened to his interviews and researched his mentors.
And I’m sure that I’m closer to the mark than you are.

George -
Religious morals aside (easy for me since I’m agnostic) – do you want a
+ boss who gave everyone a 1% “bonus” for showing up, or one who gives more to only those who exceeded expectations?
+ Do you want the coach on your facvorite major league team to let everyone play for a little while, or should they actually focus on winning?
+ storekeeper who charges everyone the same price, or one who decides ad hoc that since you can pay more for something, he can charge you more?
This isn’t charity, it’s not little league.
Obama said, “I just want to make sure that everybody who is behind you–that they’ve got the chance at success, too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Under Obama’s plan, my children’s education and future is “taxed” (via extra taxes on me) so others can do better now. How is that not redistribution? I don’t have a trust fund, don’t have a family legacy of wealth … what I do have is – finally, after 20 yrs of hard work and school before that – a career that allows me to cover the basics, save for retirement, and put something aside to help my children. Even a few percentage points here and there makes a differnce – how is that right?

Robert wrote: Americans are about ready to drink the Obama koolaid… same sex marriage, the redistribution of wealth, gun control, universal health care, fairness doctrine…… reminds me more of a cult than reality, but when you vote for a cult figure you get what you deserve.
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Well, I’m Canadian. We have universal health care, gun control, and same sex marriage. The Canadian Health care system is not perfect, but at least everyone has the same access to basic care. We don’t have a third of people being unable to go to a doctor. The US is a great country BUT it has the highest rate of infant death in the western world. The RATE of gun-related deaths is 10 times higher, and our education system is better. The US has the best schools in the world, and also the worst illiteracy levels in the western world. There’s something wrong with that picture. There’s nothing scary about Canada. Our banks are secure, too. This is what people call “socialism?” I’ll take it, thanks.

A vote for Obama means a vote for:
1) The least experienced president in U.S. history.
2) Increased taxation of U.S. companies, who are already laying off workers, outsourcing work overseas, and moving out of this country altogether as they (yes, selfishly) try to maintain profits, which will lead to more of the above.
3) Increased taxation on middle class (yes, you better wake up). In the best of times, Obama’s promises for “change” were not realistic. In this current economy, without deficit-spending this country into oblivion, Obama will not be able to deliver any of his promises. There is no question that a liberal Obama presidency, coupled with an ultra-liberal (leaning so far left that we are in democratic-socialism) Congrees, will end up increasing taxes on the very people Obama promises to help, the middle class. Most everyone has forgotten that he said in the primary that he would not raise taxes on anyone making more than $75,000. Now it is $200,000, solely for political reasons to get elected. In the end, Obama and the Democrats will likely have to increase taxes on everyone making more than $50,000 to be able to do the give-aways to the non-taxpayers. And, forget about any of the empty promises about health-care, except for the lower-income people, which is the group that Obama is really advocating for.
4) Padding the federal judiciary with liberal judges who will have no hesitation in unconstitutionally writing legislation from the bench. These judges will impact American social-policy for decades to come.
5) An entirely one-sided, liberal, government with no checks and balances. In the rush to “throw out the bums”, we are about to appoint a liberal president and a super-majority Democrat congress that will be uncheckable by an impotent Republican minority. This is undemocratic and dangerous, especially in a time of crises.
6) Obama has been lucky to be able to keep the focus of this election entirely on the “economy”. However, there are many other important issues in this election. Obama does not merely want to “change the economy”. He means to “change” many other things, including but not limited to the fundamental nature of this country as a free-market, capitalist, democracy.
Before you vote, think about these issues.

Okay and McCain has such a great record himself. I am sure if the Obama camp went back over 26 years they would find plenty of stuff that McCain has said. Also, why would McCain want to get involved in something that obviously talking about the Civil Rights movement, since he himself voted against MLK day. HAHA!! Just any little tatic and little tatics do not win big elections. ;-). I guess this is the “Theme of the Day”. LOL.

“Doubt it? John Conyers has a bill all ready to go, just waiting for the right coalition to make it happen.”
They got the 401k tax bill all ready to go as well. That’ll bring in some major revenue.
I’ve stopped contributing to my 401k and we’ll see what shakes out. If Obama wins this thing, I’ll have to find some shelter for what’s left of my $$. :)

Marylou
Obama smart
Obama economic policy focus on the engine of our economy…the middle class.
and no there is no easy fix
but the approaches are either realize where the engine of our economy is and focus there…and expand up…
or focus on the wealthy and hope they are so lavish that scraps will expand from those falling off their plate…and more comes down to the rest of us.
Obama is level
Obama is reasonable
Mccain is the same.
His reasoning for his economics comes from the same people who brought us the Sand L crisis
the Enron loophole
Gramm leachey
and the people who dismantled our safety net so the wealthy could get even more so…on the backs and risk of the rest of the country.
Obama’s policies may not immediately fix the problem
but his get us on the right road.
Mccain’s don’t.

Over the last 25 years there has been a shift of wealth amounting to $600B annually from the bottom 80% to the top 20%. How is that not a redistribution of wealth. It seems to be okay when the transfer benefits the rich, but not when it benefits the poor. hummm? funny that!

David H. wrote:
Religious morals aside (easy for me since I’m agnostic) – do you want a
+ boss who gave everyone a 1% “bonus” for showing up, or one who gives more to only those who exceeded expectations?
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Gee, David, I think I want people to be paid MILLIONS in bonuses for running their companies into the ground and being bailed out by the TAXPAYERS. Yup – that’s what I want – more deregulation. Let’s give these executives MORE money for NOT doing their jobs. Yup – sounds good to me. Some of these execs made tens of millions of dollars in salary (not including bonuses) while many equally hard working people struggle to get by. Sorry, NOBODY is worth 10 million bucks, especially when their companies are failing. So, yeah, let’s take your suggestion and give moe ONLY to those that exceed expectations. Sounds good to me.

and don’t be fooled what Mccain is saying (because every expert will tell you he has to)
He is really saying
“read my lips. no new taxes”
in the face that every expert has said taxes have to be raised…
so who and where do you think Mccain will raise them if the experts are right
but then again he is saying “read my lips , no new taxes”

Palin on Alaskan socialism:
“we’re set up, unlike other states in the union, where it’s collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs.”

The words Liberal and Conservative means nothing nowadays. Bush, Mr. Conservative as taken our debt to 10 trillion and has wiped out our reserves. I guess he is a liberal now.
Look, the bottom line is who is going to change this country?
McCain – A man who has shown that he will continue the same election cycle smear tactics and has not told us what he will do other than give us 5 thousand for health care and then TAX US ON THE FULL AMOUNT OF COVERAGE.
Obama – Who wants to return taxes to where we were with Clinton. Give us better alternatives for Healthcare and was not afraid to outline his economic plan.
Look Obama has been a socialist, a muslim, a maxist and a would be terrorist.
With that being said he is still beating McCain because most smart enough not to buy into these divisive Karl Rove tactics.

I would hope that people would listen to what Obama is really saying. First, his economic plan does nothing for this country. If you really study his plan and listen to the financial experts, this country will be in the worst economic disaster than this nation as ever seen. Warren Buffet is only in it for himself. Obama sure aligns himself with the super rich. Also, a $1,000. check doesn’t go very far. If you read Obamas comments about the Constitution it is scary stuff. It is pure unadulterated Marxism. America, Please wake up. Obams is not for this country and Hillary Clinton brought it to light. For once, listen to what Hillary and Biden said about Obama in the primaries. That should be telling.

Marxist is as marxist says. So, all those radical alliances were not mere guys “in the neighborhood” after all. What a shock.

“Companies are failing NOW. duh.”
True. You know what else businesses do? They forecast and I’m telling you firsthand they are making plans for an Obama Presidency and a Democratic Congress, plans that call for additional layoffs, lower revenues and increased costs.
“but from the bottom up”
You know, I hear a lot of people diss “trickle-down” economics. So, who’s up for a little “trickle-up” poverty…?

“LOL, McBush is a desperate man obviously grasping at straws!”
Yes, because using Obama’s own words is “grasping at straws”…

Poor McCain campaign, so desperate.
And by the way, the question remains why would it be wrong to redistribute the cake if it benefits most of the people while it goes unnoticed when the big republican sharks shovel everything to their side, and especially to 1% (ONE PERCENT!) of society like in the last 8 years?
They find some wolves to howl though those wolves get cheated too, this is something I can hardly understand.
OBAMA 2008 and 2012.

McCain is desperate for something to say that he cherry picks an interview from 2001!! I guess he did not read the whole interview, he just jumped on the words “the issues of redistribution of wealth” and ran with it. Obama was not saying anything that Black leaders have not said for decades. Anyone ever hear of reparations? Anyway, McCain does not want to get too deep in Civil Rights. He does not have the Golden Boy award on that issue at all. Someone might remind him that his family owned slaves and he vetoed MLK day more than just once.

As if the words of The “O” quoted above aren’t enough, listen to this snippet:
Obama said: The U.S. Constitution “reflected a fundamental flaw of this country that continues to this day”
causa dicta est, and by Obama himself. If you remain deaf to this grave warning, this clarion call to gird yourself because this man seeks to “change” this country alright—”change” it in ways that will be irreversible and systemically destructive—then you’re a fool, and cannot be saved from yourself, and sadly we may go down with your ship. Please don’t vote for this Marxist/Socialist power monger. Please.

The tax code has a convoluted formula for figuring whether you get a deduction for out of pocket medical expenses. Fortunately I only have on average $1500.00 a year in out of pocket medical expense, but none of it is deductable after putting it through the formula.
There is a similar formula for teachers’ out of pocket expenses for tuition, books, classroom supplies, professional conferences. We do get a credit for $250.00, but that hardly covers what most of us pay out in the course of a year. One year I logged around $1800.00 in expenses—put through the formula it was not enough to qualify for a deduction.
In terms of higher education expenses today at the same university I attended in the 1950s, my income would have to be $350,000.00 a year to pay for room, board, tuition, and books that my dad paid for on a $6,000.00 a year salary with no scholarships or loans or grants.

Steve said:
I don’t want this country to be a Socialist country. It hasn’t worked in Europe, Russia, China, North Korea, or anywhere else it’s been tried.
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I hate to break it to you, Steve, but Russia, China, and North Korea are NOT socialist countries. They are/were communit and/or dictatorships. It hasn’t worked in Europe? Oh, you mean those countries where people have universal health care, 4 weeks of paid vacation, good retirement benefits, and low crime rates? Yeah, what a failure that is.
It really would be nice when the GOP people learn the difference between SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM.

“smarter than palin” … I think you meant me, not David.
And, my point isn’t about executive compensation. I was referring to the “everybody should get some $/time” comments from previous poster.

Cryos said nobody wants to discuss facts. I am all up for that! Did the economic stimulus that Bush pushed for qualify as redistribution? It got phased out at higher income levels. What about EITC? Is that redistribution and if so, would McCain work to repeal it? What about programs like WIC… is that redistribution?
Is it OK to redistribute only in certain cases? Or is it always wrong? Honestly, I am curious because the position is inconsistent. That makes it seem like pandering.

“OKAY, then, Palin must be a socialist since she gave all the Alaskans a cheque from the oil companies, no?”
No. She gave govt. revenue from oil exploration and production back to ALL Alaskans. This was NOT tax revenue and she did not take from the wealthy to give to the poor therefore it’s not socialism.
“McCain must be a socialist since he wants to have the govt bailout bad mortgages, something the Big Bad Socialist Obama rejected.”
Both McCain and Obama aligned themselves with Bush by supporting the bailout and frankly, I was, and still am, disappointed with McCain. Here was his golden opportunity to reject the bailout plan and really set himself apart and he folded.
That said, McCain’s overall record in the Senate favors fiscal responsibility over pork barrel spending and Obama’s does not, so given the miserable choices we have, I pick McCain. :(

Cliff, Chuck, Michelle etc good arguments thank you. Unfortunately they are falling on deaf, ignorant ears as usual. Good luck with the entitlement crowd.

I am sure this comes as news to some of you gloomdoom prophets:
You can’t see the future. Your hissy fit “Chicken Little” condemnations of Obama just don’t stick. Because YOU don’t know. If he gets elected, we move ahead.
The majority seems to think that Obama can do a better job than Bush did or than mccain could do.
Some of you worst-case scenario predictors just might be….WRONG! Vent if you want, but it is really irrelevant to INSIST THAT YOU KNOW THE FUTURE!! If you did, then you WOULD NOT HAVE VOTED FOR BUSH—-TWICE.

Cliff, ok, let’s go with your argument. The fact of the matter is that Alaska was purchased using federal funds which means that as a US citizen, that is my natural resource wealth there as well. Where’s my annual oil revenue check? Where’s yours?

The Government which robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on full support from Paul.

Many Americans have built up over eight years a LOT of dislike for Bush. Bush can’t run again, so who is getting that anger…McCain. Too bad that Bush can not take his own pounding in an election this time, but McCain will have to do. ;-) It is just a bad year to be a Republican. McCain can not seperate himself from Bush, because he represents Bush in the mids of millions…as unfair as that might be.

Using the wingnut arguments here, the Bible promotes socialism.
Luke 12:48:
“The man to whom much is given, will have to give much; if much is given into his care, of him more will be requested.”

“State Sen. Barack Obama would also like to increase the personal exemption, but only for those who need it: the working poor”
and Obama decides the middle class does not “need it”.

“Please explain…”
Nobody can do it Michelle. Nobody can explain how increasing taxes on businesses will create jobs and lower our cost of goods and services. You know why?
Because it defies all logic.
These folks who are drinking the Obama kool-aid, think that taking big sums of money from rich folks and businesses and then giving it to poor schlubs will somehow boost our economy.
It’s the equivalent of giving a man a fish so can eat for a day, rather than teaching him how to fish and stocking the pond so he can eat for the rest of his life.

WHY DON’T ALL THE DEMOCRATS, SOCIALISTS, COMMUNISTS AND ANARCHISTS TAKE THEIR WEALTH AND DISTRIBUTE IT?
THOSE WHO WORK HARD, GET AN EDUCATION OR PROFESSION SHOULDN’T BE PUNISHED FOR THAT EXTRA EFFORT BY A HIGHER TAX RATE.

Wake up, people! Obama is not a socialist. Obama was my state rep until 2004 when he became my state senator and he has always on the side of working people. That’s it. Just siding with average working folks. That’s not a socialist, that’s a Democrat. I come from a former communist country and am well aware of the problems with that political system. Obama believes in wealth, but he also believes in fair taxation. A 5% tax increase on people making over $250,000 dollars is not socialism or communism, and you’d have to be stupid or have no understanding of history to believe it was. If Obama is a socialist, then so was Ronald Reagan — we had the same tax scale when he was president and nobody complained.

To Smarter than Palin..
When I Said:
Look Obama has been a socialist, a muslim, a maxist and a would be terrorist..
I was saying that the racist republicans can call Obama whatever they want. It will not stick and come next Tuesday night they will call him President Obama….

I find it hard to believe that people are buying McCain’s argument that Obama is a socialist. If you are anyone you know is getting a social security check or medicare or medicaid, then you are a socialist, if you buy McCain’s argument. Obama did not invent the tax code. The more you make the higher tax bracket you are in. That is the way it is. Bush gave the richest people in the country a break and McCain opposed that break until he started his presidential campaign this year. Now he wants to make them permanent. Obama’s plan has been endorsed by the brightest minds in the financial sector. Come on people, stop buying all these silly stories that are made up of distorted facts and out-right lies.

This is the final piece of the puzzle I’ve been waiting for– words from the mouth of Obama himself that should convince (I say “should” not “will”– I’m an optimist but the willing suspension of disbelief where Obama is concerned seems to know no limits for many) reasonable American citizens that his tax plans and his recent comments on economics are part of an overall view that it is the business of the government to redistribute the wealth in a systematic way. He wants “redistributive change,” and since the courts have not provided that, he thinks the legislature should do so. He wants to take money from those who earn it and give it to those who do not.
His minions can run around saying “that was in 2001″ and “this is a desperate move by the Republicans” and “he is not saying what you think he’s saying” all they want, but we can hear what he says and judge for ourselves. I get a cold chill down my spine (rather than a tingle up my leg) when I read the transcript (and listen to the audio) and see that he says, calmly and clearly and without apology, “It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, as least as it’s been interpreted, and Warren Court interpreted in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties, says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted.” Do you see what he is saying– he thinks the Founding Fathers put “constraints” in place that he wants the courts to move beyond. His view of the role of government and the courts is so far different from my own that I could never vote for him.
Obama has been revealed, even more starkly than before, as a classic big-government, nanny state liberal. He is the most liberal presidential nominee ever, and given that past nominees include Michael Dukakis and Walter Mondale, that’s saying quite a bit. He can try to convince people he’s a centrist, as he inundates us with campaign ads from his vast financial resources, but his actions, his records, as well as his words from earlier times when he was not parsing for a general election audience, make clear that he is just another liberal. Obama and Biden are too liberal for a center-right America, and if they were to be elected and build an administration of like-minded figures who would work in close consultation with the truly-frightening Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, they will have free rein to make dramatic changes that would be disastrous for our country. From Card Check to higher taxes of various forms on large and small businesses to a repudiation of sensible free trade policies to an extremely expensive health care system to undercutting the 401K plans, the policies of Obama/Pelosi/Reid will prevent us being able to rebuild our economy. And that doesn’t even address foreign policy.
As the crowd in Virginia chanted this morning, “Use your brain/Vote McCain.”
I am Joe Moderate.

“Using the wingnut arguments here, the Bible promotes socialism.”
Yes, and it just proves that Liberalism really IS a religion to you with Government as not only our nanny, but also our god.
No thanks!

To Obama’s No Socialist:
You Wrote:
” If Obama is a socialist, then so was Ronald Reagan — we had the same tax scale when he was president and nobody complained.”
The only only reason people believe this nonsense is that they want to continue to keep Bush policies. They hear what they want to hear.
It makes no difference. Obama is going to win. This will all be moot next week.

Smarter than Palin
I am not saying that I feel bad for McCain. McCain did vote with Bush 90% of the time and he was all to happy to be seen with Bush when it was good for him to been seen with Bush. But, McCain is taking the beating that is actually owed to Bush. And if McCain loses…he will have more than just Palin to thank. He can write a nice letter thanking Bush as well. It a refusal of Bush that is being seen coming into play in this election and Obama has been right to tie McCain back to Bush every chance he gets. What is funny to me is that McCain is now trying to distance himself from Bush…as if that will really work. ;-)

Nothing like the facts to shed light on the discussion. Thank you Lucy2008 for pointing out the long-term effects of politicians jumping in with a quick fix. Remember, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it, e.g. the great depression. I encourage everyone to read the results from the study lucy2008 referred to.

There is just no way to spin this…Obama’s wishes are obviously a lot greater than a “middle class” tax cut.
Caller: the gentleman made the point that the Warren court wasn’t terribly radical with economic changes. My question is, is it too late for that kind of reparative work economically and is that that the appropriate place for reparative economic work to take place – the court – or would it be legislation at this point?
OBAMA: Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor, but I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.
You just look at very rare examples during the desegregation era the court was willing to for example order changes that cost money to a local school district. The court was very uncomfortable with it. It was very hard to manage, it was hard to figure out. You start getting into all sorts of separation of powers issues in terms of the court monitoring or engaging in a process that essentially is administrative and takes a lot of time.
The court’s just not very good at it and politically it’s very hard to legitimize opinions from the court in that regard. So I think that although you can craft theoretical justifications for it legally. Any three of us sitting here could come up with a rational for bringing about economic change through the courts.

Reagan trickle down economics handed a huge amount of wealth to the corporation and upper classes but they have been spending their money over seas and giving our jobs to third world nations. The result is that our middle classes have been consistently losing wealth and opportunity.
McCain is banking on the ignorance of the middle class who do not understand that the upper 1% have grown richer and richer with trickle down, while the middle class has lost wealth and buying power over the last few decades. The strength of our country in the past has been that we have a well educated and affluent middle class that has spending power to buy goods and keep government honest. The fact that the middle class has lost so much ground as far as wealth and education means that our nation is being left behind while third world nation are getting more and more growth jobs and their children are being better educated. That is what Obama is speaking about. Now that the credit market is crunched people will also not be able to spend on credit. That means a huge downturn for the middle class, unless there is a tax break which gives them some more cash to spend.

Posted by: DBS | Oct 27, 2008 12:35:33 PM
Your comment hit the nail on the head. Obviously, ABC news and the rest of these mainstream organizations consider Palin’s wardrope more important than analyzing the true character of Senator Obama. Even the heading on this article, is negativ towards McCain, not Obama. Just make sure to get your vote in for McCain on election day. We’ll see how it goes.

Cliff,
All you have to do is look at GNP and unemployment figures under the Clinton Administration to see that the Bush tax cuts have been bad for the economy. All Obama wants to do is roll back taxes to where they were under Reagan, Bush I, and Clinton. It’s the current administration that has been radical in its economic approach and is now socializing the financial markets. So I guess we were all socialists in the 1990s? I don’t know about you, but my pocketbook was a lot fatter back then and I paid lower taxes on my small business (which, after paying employees and expenses, grosses under $250,000). It’s THIS administration that is taxing the heck out of me and giving tax breaks to hedge fund managers.

“Posted by: Morris | Oct 27, 2008 12:36:47 PM”
Obama will do this and Obama will do that…
Sorry, but I look to the record before I believe anything a politician says. Let’s just say there’s nothing in his record that supports the rhetoric and the glorious promises.

God help our country.
And by the way, to Support small business”…
NOTHING the liberals have ever done supports small businesses- but then again, we’re just the “rich” and deserve to have our money redistributed.

Read: “Atlas Shrugged” by Ayn Rand
If we have reached the point in this country where one man’s need establishes, at the point of government guns, his claim to another’s work, wealth, dreams or, for that matter, the very lifeblood coursing through his veins, then I say the magnificent American experiment in individual freedom is over and we are through as a country.
“Ayn Rand was right.”

This ois just more evidence of how far left Obama’s beliefs really are.
Pu8t this together with Barney Frank wanting to “slash” defense spending by 25% and other House democrats looking to overhaul 401k’s and create yet another entitlement program to replace them, and the REAL QUESTION IS NOT are yo ubetter of today than 4/8 years ago, BUT IT IS if we elect Obama, what will we have left in 4 years?

By the way, Chicago is now the murder capital of America.
Coincidence?

Jeanie
I made that point because I actually met a female Black descendant of the McCain family in MS, her last name is McCain and she looks like a White woman, she even has blue eyes and she was 98 at the time. John McCain does not have the best track record on Civil Rights, from voting against MLK day, to agreeing that the Confederate flag should stay on the SC capital. We could talk about slavery all day. But, McCain is picking an interview and picking out words that suite his case. McCain does not really want to open up this arguement, I would think not.

When Obama was 7 he broke his candybar in half and shared it with his classmate. Watch how John McCain is going to spin this into a socialist movement.

This redistribution of wealth argument just scratches the surface. Obama attacked the Supreme Court for not challenging the restriction set in place by our Founding Fathers in the US Constitution!!! He disagrees with the principle idea behind our constitution that is serves to protect the people from the tyranny of government! We have never had a President with such a radical view!

By the way, Chicago is now the murder capital of America.
Coincidence?
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And some people say the Murder Capital is Washington, DC.
Coincidence?
According to F.B.I. statistics, in 2006 the rate of violent crime in Washington, D.C. was 1445.84 crimes per 100,000 population.[1] Among the cities reporting with 100,000 or more population, Washington ranked number 18 in its rate of violent crime. The top seventeen were Flint, St. Louis, Detroit, Memphis, Orlando, Oakland, Miami Gardens, Little Rock, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Atlanta, Cleveland, Nashville, Miami, St. Petersburg, Stockton, and Springfield.

genek153, I read your post with interest. You are calm, rational, and addressing the issue at hand, which I appreciate very much, since a lot of the posts around here do not fit that model. However, I think your conclusions are incorrect. You point out two points raised by Obama in his interview: ”
(1) The Warren court was not as “radical” as some paint it because it limited itself to the issue of equal treatment under the law, and didn’t venture into the issue of redistributing wealth. (2) The fact that the greatest civil rights victories occurred in the courts led to a tendency to become too dependent on court decisions to try to improve society rather than working with people at the local level, and this was a bad thing.” Yes, that is PART of what he is saying, I will agree.
However, he says much more in this interview. And when you go on to conclude that “Nowhere does Obama say the courts *should* be used to bring about economic change, merely that most anyone could come up with theoretical justifications to do so if they really tried,” you ignore the corollary, that he thinks it is more the role of the legislature to do the redistributing he feels is justified and appropriate. He’s not saying that there should be no economic redistribution– clearly he wants to spread the wealth. He’s arguing that the courts did not concern themselves with that and that expecting them to do so is looking to the wrong venue. He’s not arguing there is no need for the government to take from some to give to others on a scale beyond the basic progressive tax code.
Finally, you suggest: “The McCain campaign is betting that this sort of discussion is an intellectual exercise that is just too much for some people to handle.” I doubt that very much. Let’s not be condescending. We who disagree with you are just as capable of doing the intellectual heavy lifting as you. We can read the man’s words and grasp their implications and draw our own conclusions. I’m very tired of liberals sniffing that those who disagree with Obama on such crucial matters as economic policy or foreign affairs are somehow less intelligent and unable to grasp the polished beauty of his magnificent ideas. Horse hockey. Like Joe Biden (bless his heart, as we say in the south), I have a healthy appreciation for my own intelligence. I can understand Obama just fine. I’m just not buying the spin.

TAXES are a redistribution of wealth- Thats what taxes do people, so try to wrap your narrow minds around it… the government takes your tax money and REDISTRIBUTES it amongst thee programs of their choosing (ie: social security, welfare, WAR, infrastructure), its just Obama wants to give tax cuts to middle class and bring tax rates from the Clinton years for the upper class back and McCain wants to give his taxes cuts to the rich and leave the middle class to continue to struggle.
Warren Buffet and many other Economists have come out in support of Obama and his Economic plans and last I checked none of them were socialists!
Who do you know that walks around saying “Man times were rough durring the clinton years”… or do you know any wealthy people who even felt the difference in their tax rates in the 90′s?? Give me a break PLEASE!
Jobs are not shipped overseas because of taxes- they are sent over there because in India they can pay Abdul $1 an hour as opposed to here in the US where employees want crazy things like a Minimum wage, and health insurance and they are required to have Workers Comp coverage on all employees by law- all those add up to more cost that corporations want to duck from, so trust me taxes has nothing to do with it! Because when you call customer service you dont hear an Irish accept (McCain claims Ireland has one of the lowest corporate tax rates but companies are not moving to Ireland)you hear an Indian voice. McCain is full of it- and it appears the majority of American’s can see that. The irony is a majority of the people at McCain rallies are not doctors and lawyers who might actually benefit from his tax plans- they are middle class Americans get suckered into his socialism and terrosist fear mongering.Its amazing what fear drives people to believe!
Obama/Biden 08

Leslie Ann
It’s pretty funny that you quote Lincoln. Although he was clearly a great man, he wrote that stuff 150 years ago. As it turns out, he was wrong.
Oh, by the way, if you are going to quote Lincold as an authority, you might try this quote, too:
“”I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in anyway the social and political equality of the white and black races – that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race.”
Lincoln WAS a great man (and he WAS opposed to slavery) but being a great man does NOT make him right about everything. He did his best, for a man of his times, but his ideas about economics do NOT apply to a modern, worldwide economy. We KNOW that Bush’s policies don’t apply to a modern, worldwide economy, either! (Not that Bush is Lincloln – gag)
This is NOT about bashing Lincoln. It’s about refuting your idea that because Lincoln said it, it must be so. Hogwash. The proof is in the pudding; Bush-style economics DON’T work, and McCain is holding out those SAME policies.

“All you have to do is look at GNP and unemployment figures under the Clinton Administration to see that the Bush tax cuts have been bad for the economy.”
During the best of times, Bill Clinton had a Republican controlled Congress enacting legislation. And please don’t forget the dot.com boom and all the high-tech jobs that were created.
Look at the data. The Bush tax cuts were good for the economy. They brought us out of the recession that began towards the end of Clinton’s 2nd term.
What’s creating the economic crisis today has absolutely nothing to do with the Bush tax cuts. I will say that the out-of-control spending during Bush’s time in office as well as this stupid bailout hasn’t helped.
And although the 9/11 attack and the WOT is partly responsible for our deficit, I do find fault with Bush as well as Congress.
So, I look back at McCain’s record in the Senate and I find that, the recent bailout bill notwithstanding, he has traditionally been more of a deficit hawk than his colleagues.

I am dismayed at all of you and your hate that comes through! Everyone seems to have forgotten that congress controls the purse strimgs. This country is becomming a third world nation. The only thing missing is beatings and muggings at the polls. The Bible tells us that the whole world will one day be ruled by the rich and no one can buy with their permission. I believe we are close and all politicians are greasing the gears to that end. Scary that the Bible prodicted this 2000 years ago. Maybe it is right and time for Americains to repent! Still not to late!

I keep reading some of these comments about Obama and all of these negative criticisms that he’s getting that are “not true” and saying, “Oh, McCain has done this….” blah blah blah blah blah.
But take a second to think about this: What if the economy was not a major factor in this election?
Would you still be voting for Obama…. a man who admits HIMSELF that he plans to cut military funding, not only for the Department of Defense (which just happens to be the department that employs my own father and has for over 25 years) but for several other agencies that help protect our freedom?
Would you still vote for him if you knew that Obama also voted with Bush over 85% of the time, yet criticized McCain for the same thing?
No, I’m sure you wouldn’t if you realized that America is where it is today because of the thousands of men and women who risk their lives everyday to ensure our freedom…. or if you realized this man is possibly the most unpatriotic candidate ever to run for the presidency.
So go ahead and vote for this man. That is- if you feel like flushing America’s freedom down the drain.

I love the references to Ayn Rand. “Geesh all you mean liberals, if only you’d leave the nice big corporations alone we would have flying cars and invisibility shields.”
Let me see… in Atlas Shrugged part of the message was the system kept the innovators from succeeding. In modern day America corporate lobbyists have undue influence on the government and large companies are allowed to stifle competition (i.e. innovation). Large corporations (and their lobbyists) tend to be on the side of the Republican party. I am drawing a parallel here, can you all keep up?
The ideals of the GOP were sold to the highest bidder long ago.

Carole K., the problem is Obama wants to take my, your and everyone else’s candy bar and redistribute as he sees fit.

To Schraff
OK, now you’re just making stuff up. Where in Obama’s plan does it say this?

Posted by: Cliff | Oct 27, 2008 12:54:09 PM
** Well Cliff it’s not America’s fault that the Republicans in Congress and the White House have showed off for 8 years. Fortunately, we can tell and show the Republicans we are not going to stand for this madness and we no longer want their services. Remember in 2000 when Republicans had the White House and Congress?? Look where we are 8 years later… I’m taking my chances w/ the dems because the Repubs can’t act accordingly to what majority of the people want. I don’t live in America to conform to the radical ideas of the Republican party hidden by faith. They aren’t ‘real believers’ because everything they do shows they don’t have faith in God first. They have faith in themselves first and we’re tired of it. I need McLame and the rest of the republicans in congress to take an 8 year vacation.

Obama’s redistribution of wealth is another name for reparations and welfare.
But it is Obama that wants to make slaves of poor people.
Give them everything, make them dependent on him and the gov’t instead self-reliance and standing up for themselves.
He will kill dreams, jobs, and hope.

You can SAY ANYTHING you like or try to defend him but this proves without a shadow of a doubt Mr. Obama is a Socialist.

The real Obama is becoming clear, socialism.
President – Obama/socialist
Congress – democratic – socilaist
Supreme Court – socialist appointments
UNITED SOCIALIST STATES OF AMERICA
by Obama

Sadly, our children have a better chance of dying under Senator McCain whether they go to war or not. He has always voted against SCHIPS – and he has absolutely no provision for health care for kids in his policies or platform. We all do – his health care policies will cause millions to lose health insurance – especially in this Bush-hangover economy – where thousands of people are going to lose their jobs and thousands of families are going to lose health care along with that loss. What does John McCain offer? Nothing. He has insurance and a multi-millionaire wife.

You can SAY ANYTHING you like or try to defend him but this proves without a shadow of a doubt Mr. Obama is a Socialist.
Posted by: James | Oct 27, 2008 1:01:53 PM
** The American people will say on Novemeber 4th, McLame please retire! We will have our voice on Nov. 4th unless the Republicans trick up the voting again

It’s amazing to see some wealthy people on here talk about punishing the people in this country that buy the products and services that made them wealthy. People like mdt say they are going to “bring the country to there knees”. The problem is that they already have. Middel america can’t aford to buy anything anymore. This is why the economy sucks. This is why the GOP is losing. Yes, the GOP, not McCain. He never had a chance. People are already on there knees mdt. In the last ten years I have doubled my wealth by working hard but I am no richer than I was 10 years ago. I still struggle day to day and and have no more to show for it. I don’t expect someone like you to understand that. And I don’t want your money. I just want to live my poor pitiful life as some of you have said. And don’t worry Cryos, don’t waste anymore of taxpayers money calling the cops to have my broke down car moved, I will get my car out of the way so you can get on with sucking me dry. And all rebublicans, you go ahead and continue to hurt the country you love so much. Your good at it. Its what you do best. Thats why were not number one in anything anymore. Something no one should be proud of.

If you actually read Obama’s 2001 comments its very clear that
1. the tragedy he refers to is that the civil rights movement focused on the wrong tactics. The tragedy does not refer to what the court did or did not do.
2. he is commenting as a scholar on the warren court, not endorsing its action or lack of action.
Its a pretty sad statement that so many people in this country can’t read an understand a pretty clearly laid out argument.

Ok, I’m tired of this past 8 years b.s. If you actually paid attention you’d know that it has been the past 2 years that this country has taken a turn for the worst. Why is that? Congress.
** Okay then you must not have been paying attention when President Bush VETOED anything that had a democratic name beside it.. who has time for that? who has time for the fighting? Don’t the conservatives understand that? United we Stand divided we fall? Conservatives are hell bent on running this nation to the ground and hopefully the ones who care will stand up and say enough is enough! For all I care, John McLame and Sarah Failin can sit in the back of the bus…

We are headed for a Carter Presidency repeat. Obama will win. Middle class taxes will go up. We will pay for the redistribution of the wealth. In other words we will give taxes to the lower class which will be incentive to make more babies for cash and food stamps for crack. We will get sick of it. Republicans will win so we can get the country back on track and not handing out hard earned cash to lazy people.

Is that what ABC calls them now-”wealth remarks”?? How about calling Obama’s own comments what they are- BLATANT SOCIALISM! To anyone who chooses to look beyond Obama’s eloquant rhetoric you will see that his message is identical to that of Rev Wright and William Ayers with a sugar coating. Just as those 2 radical nuts disagreed with our Founding Fathers it appears that Mr. Obama does as well. Wake up people, disagreeing with Bush’s policies is no reason to throw our constitution in the trash.

Sorry Obama haters, but if you actually read the whole article you will see that he argues against the courts getting involved with redistributing of wealth. For a expanded version of the interview see Politico’s website. Too bad you guys don’t get it, one of the main reasons that Independents like myself are running away from the McCain/Palin ticket is the lack of any real solutions for real problems. Their campaign has consisted of stunts, gimmicks, name calling, and lame comments taken out of context. This campaign has tarnished the Republican brand for years to come with Independents.

Many families have lost businesses , farms, ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generation s because they could not afford the inheritanc e tax. Those willing their assets to loved ones will only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES PROPOSED BY OBAMA
New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet. New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren’t high enough already) New taxes on natural resources consumptio n (heating gas, water, electricit y) New taxes on retirement accounts, and last but not least….N ew taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level of medical care as other third-worl d countries! !!
Posted by: Schraaf78 | Oct 27, 2008 12:44:56 PM
** what you just posted in a lie and people are losing jobs because of the republican influence on our govt! The story has been written for the past 8 years.. any person who doesn’t have the mind to think about situations before coming up with a solution is detremental to this nation… John McCain will be horrible for this nation. He’s old and stuck in his ways. Well it’s 2008 and people need to start thinking ahead.. not backwards. Furthermore when has John McCain let us know how he was going to produce jobs? Giving money to big corps that don’t stay over here no way? Thats foolish

Is this the best McCain can come up with? Some quip in 2001 from an interview where he’s clearly talking about funding affirmative action and ensuring loans are also available to minorities? John..as a Republican – you officially DISGUST me. First, you endanger our country by picking Palin as your running mate (who couldn’t think her way out of a shoebox) and now you go after the most boring quote imagineable? Your campaign is an afront to us all – give your remaining money to Republicans who have a chance of winning before you doom us all.

I just came home from my local courthouse, and I’m proud to post that I voted for Barak Hussein Obama and against every incumbent on the ballot! HIP HIP HOORAY!! posted by mary Oct 27, 12:51 PM
Way to go mary, I voted the exact same way earlier this morning. CHANGE! CHANGE!! GO OBAMA/BIDEN
After reading this comment, I’m going to do the same thing here in Davies County, KY. I guarantee I’m voting against Mitch ‘the bitch’ McConnell. He’s the one who’s been obstucting any type of legislation our congress has been trying to pass for the past two years. That means he’s hasn’t done anything for Kentucky since then! Ditch Mitch!! Ditch Mitch!!

Is that what ABC calls them now-”wealth remarks”?? How about calling Obama’s own comments what they are- BLATANT SOCIALISM! To anyone who chooses to look beyond Obama’s eloquant rhetoric you will see the message is identical to that of Rev Wright and William Ayers. Just as those 2 radical nuts hated what our Founding Fathers stood for, it appears Mr. Obama does as well.

Seems like I just read someone who voted everybody out for the sake of change. Gee, that’s real profound. Sort of like switching to oatmeal because you got tired of soup. Hello. Is anyone in there?

“That means he’s hasn’t done anything for Kentucky since then! Ditch Mitch!! Ditch Mitch!!”
Awww, what’s the matter? Not enough pork in your diet…?

Okay then you must not have been paying attention when President Bush VETOED anything that had a democratic name beside it…”
Well, now there’s a little disinformation for the masses.
The problem with Bush is that he went along with most spending bills that were sponsored by both Dems and Reps.
In other words, if he would’ve stood against Congress and defended fiscal responsibility, we’d be in a bit better shape, but that’s something only McCain and a handful of other congressmen have done.
Posted by: Cliff | Oct 27, 2008 1:10:47 PM
** You’re lying. THe only reason why McCain voted against his party is because he was pouting they chose BUSH over HIM. Lets not get it twisted–McCain reached across the aisle for his own benefit.. like when he was thinking of switching to dem party–> just because you sit in the blog site and tell lies doesn’t mean people believe you

OBAMA = WELFARE = SOCIALISM

** Okay then you must not have been paying attention when President Bush VETOED anything that had a democratic name beside it.. who has time for that? who has time for the fighting? Don’t the conservatives understand that? United we Stand divided we fall? Conservatives are hell bent on running this nation to the ground and hopefully the ones who care will stand up and say enough is enough! For all I care, John McLame and Sarah Failin can sit in the back of the bus…
** Actually he did sign one. The “Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008″, Public law 110-289. It tightened regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and merged the old government unit that oversaw them with other government mortgage units. This bill basically included most everything Rebublicans had been after for years. Unfortunately, that bill was passed in late July, about 6 weeks before Fannie and Freddie collapsed. The dems killed a bill in 2005 to tighten the regs on freddy and fanny. Pres. Bush was pushing the bill. Sweet barney frank and chris dodd and the rest of the parasites ridiculed the effort and killed it.

O.K. McCain we get it! The Republicans love and adorn rich people and big corporations, what else is new? I have been hearing the no-tax line from the Republicans for 40 years. It is pure bull. Here are the results; Ronald Reagan largest deficits in history; George Bush “no-new taxes” Senior – record deficits and raised taxes; Bill Clinton budget surplus and economic prosperity; George Bush Jr – record deficits and worst economic crisis since the great depression. Alan Greenspan said he was wrong about regulation. McCain said he did not understand economics and the economy was sound. The Republicans are economic morons. Their save the rich and big business at all cost has crashed our economy. It’s the deficits that have tanked the dollar. Anybody that believes the Republicans know what they are doing with the economy must have brain damage.

“Are you mad because people support Obama and give him donations?”
Yes, I see that Mickey Mouse, Osama bin Laden and the Dallas Cowboys football team have all successfully made online donations to Obama with their credit and gift cards.
You know, I was thinking about donning a Barack Obama costume this Holloween however the thought of people fawning at my feet really turned my stomach.
Posted by: Cliff | Oct 27, 2008 1:15:50 PM
** Yeah right– no one would fawn at your feet because they would know it was stupid old Cliff..By the way since John McLame can fix everything’ my friend’ tell him to find Osama Bin Laden and the weapons of mass destruction.. O wait! He can’t because there are no weapons of mass destruction & McLame would rather us spend 10 billion dollars a month in the wrong country…

** Okay then you must not have been paying attention when President Bush VETOED anything that had a democratic name beside it.. who has time for that? who has time for the fighting? Don’t the conservatives understand that? United we Stand divided we fall? Conservatives are hell bent on running this nation to the ground and hopefully the ones who care will stand up and say enough is enough! For all I care, John McLame and Sarah Failin can sit in the back of the bus…
** Actually he did sign one. The “Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008″, Public law 110-289. It tightened regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and merged the old government unit that oversaw them with other government mortgage units. This bill basically included most everything Rebublicans had been after for years. Unfortunately, that bill was passed in late July, about 6 weeks before Fannie and Freddie collapsed. The dems killed a bill in 2005 to tighten the regs on freddy and fanny. Pres. Bush was pushing the bill. Sweet barney frank and chris dodd and the rest of the parasites ridiculed the effort and killed it.
Posted by: JJ | Oct 27, 2008 1:16:02 PM
** Hey JJ how can the dems kill it when we didn’t have control in 2005?? Just because you tell lies doesn’t mean its true!

Jake, Why are you wasting your talent amplifying a desperate grasping by the McCain campaign?
When you say “though Obama’s campaign says that’s a twisting of his words,” why can’t you type the clearer statement, which is “though that’s a twisting of his words.” It’s a fact clear enough, not just what the Obama camp says.

“You’re lying.”
Nope. Voting records are available for all to see and McCain has established himself as a fiscal conservative, something Bush and Obama are NOT. It’s just a fact.
Don’t make me post the stats. Don’t make me do it…! :)

The candidates are on auto pilot this week, no one is interested in what Obama had to say in 2001 about the Warren Court of the 1950s and 60s. McCain’s stump message might have been relevant if we were still debating whether the Sixteenth Amendment should be ratified, but we’re not in 1916 anymore, to the Rep;ublicans’ amazement and dismay. McCain still hasn’t apologized for voting in favor of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. When McCain tries to distance himself from Bush, he’s only asking us to trade a Bush for a Hoover

” any person who doesn’t have the mind to think about situations before coming up with a solution is detremental to this nation… ”
Blue,
Sounds like your decribing Barney Frank and his wacko scheme to cut defense spending by 25%!!!!!

OH! HOW I HAVE WAITED FOR THE OCTOBER SURPRISE. I THOUGHT IT WOULD NOT ARRIVE THIS TIME.
And then this. We do not need to argue any more. The question is not whether Obama will lose or not. The real question is how big the landslide lose he will suffer is going to be.
JOHN McCAIN, THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE US.
BARACK OBAMA, THE GREATEST CON SOCIALIST/MARXIST WHO ALMOST FOOLED AMERICANS INTO ELECTING HIM PRESIDENT UNTIL JOE THE PLUMBER FOUND HIM OUT.

lol…blue…those laws are real…whose is living in a fantasy world now….

It is funny how his economic plan worked in Illinois. Illinois has the highest tax rates in the country and this is not just for the rich but for the middle class. It has the highest unemployment, could this be because companies left this state to find better taxes in another state and has the highest crime rate, could this be because of higher taxes so jobs move out of state and people have to steal to get what they need. Now lets put his political taxes in the country. Jobs will be leaving the country to go over seas where the tax rate is much lower then it alread is. The upper 1% of money makers already pay 60% of the taxes and now we want them to pay more. If Obama wins this country will go in the deepest recesion we will ever see.

Obama supporters:
Stand back and let this elephant die.

“Hey JJ how can the dems kill it when we didn’t have control in 2005?? Just because you tell lies doesn’t mean its true!”
The year it came up for a vote in the finance committee was… 2006.
Posted by: Cliff | Oct 27, 2008 1:24:03 PM
** well you don’t vote until November so it would make a difference in what month in 2006 plus its not like the dems had a filibuster..You know as well as I do the republican congress stifled the American dream and thats why they will lose most of their seats this year. Thats why you are sitting up in here spreading vicious lies because you know the danger for your party…

I think that it is funny that the basic premise of fairness is left out of this. What many hard line right wingers forget to mention is that for years we have cut taxes on the wealthy (through lower capital gain taxes, etc) and corporations. The true tax rate of the very wealthy is less then most middle class Americans. Cindy McCain’s tax rate is around 25-28% on over $5 million of income. My tax rate at $92K is actually higher.
Think about the economic impact for the country of giving $1000 to someone making $30K. They are more likely to spend it then someone making $100K. A family bringing in $30K will spend it on clothes, food, etc which in turn will increase the consumer spending in America, which will in turn increase profit for companies, etc etc.
The disconnect of the old Republican economic plan of cutting business taxes creating jobs used to work when the jobs those companies had were located in the United States. Now that it is outsourced how does cutting the tax rate here help? The issue of outsourcing is not taxes it is labor costs. A tax credit for jobs created HERE is a much better method of both targeted job creation and also lowering corporate taxes.
The other aspect of this is by increasing the disposal income of the middle and lower classes the ability of them to save and move themselves into a self sustaining economic position increases. By allowing them to grow their own wealth it will thereby reducing government expenditures on welfare, etc.

Obama supporters:
This elephant is on its last gasp of breath. It is in panic right now and it would lurch out u to cause some damage.
You have seen this elephant at several of their rallies.
Let it just die.

Most of the ignorant repubs who are arguing against Obama’s tax cut for the middle class and tax rollback for the wealthy are NOT even weathly. So what the heck are you whining about? You want to protect your wealthy boss who pays you crappy wages and pockets all the profits?
If I made more than $250k I’d be more than happy to pay a little more. Though I don’t want to spend it on senseless wars. $10 billion a month on war. Why do repubs love war, guns and killing people but they hate helping people? And they call themselves Christians? I’m sure Jesus is not amused.

Give it a rest. You lost your freedoms when you voted for George Bush, twice. Obama winning this election has nothing to do with it. And if he weren’t “attacking” Obama, McCain would have no campaign to speak of. All the same, vote McCain and what few freedoms we have, McCain’s White House will further abolish.

People have already voted so whatever these Republican operatives think will work, it’s too late guys.
BARACK OBAMA THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE OF AMERICA.
John McCain/Sarah Palin are both done politically and she sees this happening. This is why she is trying desparately to break from Grandpa at every junture.

He said that the courts should NOT be involved in any kind of “redistribution of wealth”
NO. Obama was whining that the courts did not mandate it.

It is funny how his economic plan worked in Illinois. Illinois has the highest tax rates in the country and this is not just for the rich but for the middle class. It has the highest unemployment, could this be because companies left this state to find better taxes in another state and has the highest crime rate, could this be because of higher taxes so jobs move out of state and people have to steal to get what they need. Now lets put his political taxes in the country. Jobs will be leaving the country to go over seas where the tax rate is much lower then it alread is. The upper 1% of money makers already pay 60% of the taxes and now we want them to pay more. If Obama wins this country will go in the deepest recesion we will ever see.
Posted by: Liberal press | Oct 27, 2008 1:25:01 PM
** Obama didn’t write the Illinois tax code!

“People have already voted”
Yeah, a pity the overwhelming number wait until election day so they have all the facts.

All the right wing loonies. What on earth will you do on Nov 5th. ITS OVER.
Fall in line or go crawl under your rock for the next four years.

BARACK OBAMA THE 44TH PRESIDENT OF THE UNTIED STATE OF AMERICA.
PASS THE FAIRNESS DOCTRINE NOW – CLOSE DOWN THE LIES OF THE FAR RIGHT, CUT THE HEAD OFF OF THE SNAKE.
THEY ARE DESTROYING OUR FREEDOMS BY SPREADING MISINFORMATION – SHUT THEM DOWN.

THIS WILL SEAL THE DEAL FOR MOST AMERICANS
According to Gallup, 84% of Americans oppose redistribution of wealth.”
Now that’s worth repeating! Uh oh…
Posted by: Cliff | Oct 27, 2008 1:30:15 PM
*Remember people before you read what he says, he voted for Bush in 2004… that discredits anything he says!

From Abraham Lincoln…
“Property is the fruit of labor…property is desirable… a positive good in the world. That some should be rich shows that others may become rich, and hence is just encouragement to industry and enterprise. Let not him who is houseless pull down the house of another; but let him labor diligently and build one for himself, thus by example assuring that his own shall be safe from violence when built.”
From Thomas Jefferson…
“To take from one because it is thought that his own industry and that of his father’s has acquired too much, in order to spare to others, who, or whose fathers have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association – the guarantee to every one of a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it.”
“The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.”
“I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.”
“Dependence begets subservience and venality, suffocates the germ of virtue, and prepares fit tools for the designs of ambition.”
“A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor and bread it has earned – this is the sum of good government.”
“I own that I am not a friend to a very energetic government. It is always oppressive.”

“Most of the ignorant repubs who are arguing against Obama’s tax cut for the middle class and tax rollback for the wealthy are NOT even weathly. So what the heck are you whining about? You want to protect your wealthy boss who pays you crappy wages and pockets all the profits?
If I made more than $250k I’d be more than happy to pay a little more. Though I don’t want to spend it on senseless wars. $10 billion a month on war. Why do repubs love war, guns and killing people but they hate helping people? And they call themselves Christians? I’m sure Jesus is not amused.
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Because only a complete & total moron would beleive that Obama’s mystical 250K line is not going to get lowered by a Pelosi/Reid Congress!
Perhaps you should do a bit research on the Democrats in the House who already looking at overhauing the 401K’s and replacing them with a yet another government entitlement program for your future retirement. Any of you recognize the word “tithing”? The concept they are talking about is exactly that….you would be required to surrender 5% of your earning to the government in return for their guaranteed retirement benifit.
This is the kind of stuff that is going to happen with an Obama/Pelosi/Reid governemt! BETTER THINK ABOUT ALL THIS BEFORE YOU MAKE FINAL CHOICE ON NOV. 4 !!!

Um, Jake, why did you not include the part of the NPR interview where Barack states that “the three of us” [doing the interview] could manage to find a way to accomplish his goal of “redistribution of wealth” better than the American courts. Barack nearly MOCKS the limiting powers of the US Constitution! This is AMAZINGLY shameful, and the MSM is practically ignoring the story because it does not fit their current, “Barack is going to win” narrative. It took a private citizen to find this interview. No journalist even tried ti find it. Shameful.

osted by: Mike_C | Oct 27, 2008 1:38:15 PM
** he still voted for Bush…

geevill
Even if this was a October suprise, how dumb is it for them to leak it this late.
You know geevill the statement is not quite apparent for the GOP illiterate base to immediately understand. They need a Hannity to interpret it to them in right-wingnuteze. Its too late and a non-story to boot.
Ok. I give you your argument. At least obama has been consistent.
McCain has not. Do you know that he thought cutting taxes on the most wealthy was “irresponsible”.
MCCAIN IS ALL OVER THE PLACE. no Sorry
I say thanks but no thanks to that Gop TICKET TO NOWHERE

McCain is so desperate its funny watching him go down slowly. He still has not come up with a plan to take this country in a different direction. He will continue Bush’s policies because the same people that were behind Bush will to be behind McCain if he were to win. So to think McCain will do better by this country is a joke.

“It seems like everyone here had their opinions of this article decided before even reading it. I don’t know how you McCain supporters can possibly think he will be our next president. Attacking Obama for comments made in January 2001 is not going to do anything but make you look like an even bigger fool John.”
Hmmm….i do love the liberal dictionary.
Criticize = Attack
Bipartisanship = Our Way
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the elephant is dying.
Arizona is a tossup now. McCain’s home state.

A large number of voters won’t care about this–they just want Obama’s handouts.

No one is attacking obama’s comments. They are quite educational. We are trying to publicize them not attack them.

A civil society, in the finest sense of that term, does ensure appropriate wealth distribution such that large variances in income distribution are mitigated. [There is considerable economic literature to support this.] Surprising that in a country that states that ‘all men are created equal’, wealth distribution (does not equate to opportunity subjugation)has become a negative theory. But then, the last few years of the MBA crowd, survived on platitudes.

“I think uh hmmm uh Karl Marx , with all do respect, didn’t take it far enough”
B. Obama

“McCain is so desperate its funny watching him go down slowly. He still has not come up with a plan to take this country in a different direction. He will continue Bush’s policies because the same people that were behind Bush will to be behind McCain if he were to win. So to think McCain will do better by this country is a joke. ”
The only joke will be on us all if you elect Obama. I hope you can laugh real hard in the uneployment line if this insane economic policy comes to pass.
Perhaps some of you people missed former GE CEO Jack Welsh explaining just how Obama’s tax plan is going to affect the corporate world. He gave a very good example of wha things will be like by drawing a comparison to Rhose Island.
I CHALLENGE EACH ANS EVERY OBAMA SUPPORTER TO LISTEN TO THAT JACK WELSH PIECE … IT IS HERE ON THE ABC NEWS SITE UNDER THE “THIS WEEK” link!

Jake,
Thanks for providing the complete audio tape. Claims have been made that Obama’s interview was taken out of context and it’s nice to be able to judge for myself.

In 2000/2001 when McCain stated that he was against the Bush tax plan he said that he was against it because it “gave too much money to the rich and did not do enough for the middle class.”
Now Obama wants to repeal the Bush taxes and McCain now calls Obama a Socialist.
FLIP FLOP and PANDERING To the BASE.
Problem…
The middle class spoke out against the Bush Tax Plan back then and will speak louder come Nov 4th.
We are not gonna take this crap anymore. Enough is Enough.
You poor rich folks upset that you have to pay more.
JOIN THE CLUB!!
The middle class has been getting soaked for years while you folks sit calling us welfare folks.
Don’t worry, you will still be able to eat.

I will give him credit for one thing, Barry Hussein Obama has never said anything he can’t lie and twist around later. The dude can say one thing and turn around and say you did not hear it right, I actually said the opposite. no wonder so many shallow minded people have fallen for him.

“Most” Americans DO NOT want handouts..
We all know “CAREER WELFARE RECIPIENTS”. While you’re out there working to get ahead in life, they are MILKING AMERICA DRY. Do we really want our government to give these people MORE BENEFITS?
Vote for the McCain/Palin ticket. McCain supporters, GO VOTE, TELL YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO VOTE, and do not believe the polls. The extreme far left media wants you to give up.. DON’T!!! Democrat for McCain/Palin

I am middle class and no the middle class has not been the ones paying the bills. The upper 1% money makers already pay 60% of all taxes and now you want them to pay more. It will make them take their companies somewhere else. It just does not make since you all are willing to give up the right to work and make a living. You liberals would rather have Obama tell you how to live and how to spend your free money. Get a job and work!!!!

Here’s an example of GOP redistribution of wealth:
40 million to CEO; 20,000 jobs cut

I really cannot believe how stupid the Republicans are this time around. Sure it’s the same lies… tax and spend liberals, socialist, dangerous, blah-blah-blah. But focusing on “Joe Six Pack the Plumber”, are you serious? Have you even heard the actual interview with him? Obama basically destroyed any argument that bald hick had. Joe the unlicensed “plumber” would get a larger tax cut under Obama’s plan. Even his licensed boss that owns the business he is talking about only makes 100k, so the question was obviously a fake. The real distribution of wealth has been happening for the last 8 years with Bush/McCain and their corporate buddies. How dare we actually try to correct it the other way for a change!!! Educate yourselves before you jump on these made-up controversies. I’m ashamed to breath the same air as you people.

“All the right wing loonies. What on earth will you do on Nov 5th. ITS OVER.
Fall in line or go crawl under your rock for the next four years.”
We don’t plan to fall in line and march with other Obamabots and sheep. We plan to remind you each and every day for the next 4 years that you are one who voted for Messiah Obama and thus caused a grave harm to this great nation. We plan to resist everything that the Messiah proposes to change (last we heard was that President has a limited power, checked by Congress and Judiciary), so we plan to keep pressure on our representatives to oppose him, we plan drag his administration through thousand courts, and we make his 4 years a living hell for him. He will have white hair by the time he is finished.

In the two years the democrats have been in office the economy has crumbled. Wonder why? Three reasons:
1. Nancy Pelosi
2. Harry Reid
3. Barney Frank
Barney Frank advocates cutting military spending (DEFENSE) 25% while we send lazy welfare recipients huge tax rebates every year!
Tired of tax breaks for the “rich”? Ever had a person poorer than you give you a job? Wake up, taxing the “rich” costs YOU!
Just say no to more welfare!!

GOP prefers to outsource the wealth to India and China!
Cut jobs in US, big CEO salaries, tax cuts for top 1%
Say no to outsourcing the wealth. No McCain, No Palin!

Paint VA BluE- Its amazing how you say Palin cant even answer a question. Well at least when she gets one she doesnt like because its hard,she gets up and ends the interview. I am telling you when it gets hard Obama will not know what to do. The DEM took a interview with Biden and walked off the interview because the didnt like the question. People are actually asking hard questions to him. McCain and Palin go on shows where they are going to get ripped and never leave early and whin like BABALROC OBAMA and JOE BLINDEN.

The remarks Obama made will have to be interpreted for the rank and file Republicans that McCain/Palin are attracting in great numbers. They will need somone to explain it since they won’t want to admit that they understand what he’s talking about, they might too be labled “elitist.” Perhaps Joe the plumber can explain it for them.

I CHALLENGE EACH ANS EVERY OBAMA SUPPORTER TO LISTEN TO THAT JACK WELSH PIECE … IT IS HERE ON THE ABC NEWS SITE UNDER THE “THIS WEEK” link!
Posted by: Mike_C | Oct 27, 2008 1:48:57 PM
** Mike you dont get it~ This won’t fix health care, taxes, social security, education, equal work for equal pay (something McCain voted against), climate change, gas prices… when will McCain mention anything on the above list and what he will do to fix it? Maybe if the old fool would stop trying to bully the American people and tell us what he can do to fix it, then we would vote for him. Haven’t Conservatives learned Rove Politics don’t work? I love the lady trying to place a citizen arrest on Rove too lol hilarious!

John McCain is hilarious! I’ll bet he doesn’t even believe this Marxist nonsense. It’s rather sad that he did choose to take the low road to the highest office in the land.

Omentum:
“Terms like communist, socialist, marxist, are foreign to most folks under 40″
The willful ignorance displayed by this comment is terrifying.

The reason he’s dropping in his “own state” of Arizona is because he’s not really from there and they know it. He came there to use the influence of his drug-stealing affair-turned-wife Cindy’s parents. He fought accusations of carpetbagging with the same washed-up pitiful POW stories. Most Americans are seeing through all of these desperate distractions by McCain, but a few are still hooked on his old, bitter koolaid.

Quinn,
You left out
Obama has the bulk of his millions invested in TAX-FREE securities.

Paint VA BluE- Its amazing how you say Palin cant even answer a question. Well at least when she gets one she doesnt like because its hard,she gets up and ends the interview. I am telling you when it gets hard Obama will not know what to do. The DEM took a interview with Biden and walked off the interview because the didnt like the question. People are actually asking hard questions to him. McCain and Palin go on shows where they are going to get ripped and never leave early and whin like BABALROC OBAMA and JOE BLINDEN.
Posted by: tim | Oct 27, 2008 2:01:56 PM
** No they run to FOx News to have all of their interviews.. you remember we just started hearing what Palin has to say. NOt to mention the fact the McCain campaign said she’s doing her own thing so she can run in 2012… she’d love to be president to really abuse her power! We all know Failin is not capable of running this country. We’d rather her govern Alaska and watch Putin from there {it makes it easier to say this when the republican party is ripping her to pieces)

geevil, you don’t get it. What Obama plans on doing is taking some of the money from the rich guy who has only been getting richer these past eight years and giving that to the waiter, who could really use the extra cash.
The Bush tax cuts redistributed more wealth to the already wealthy. So using your example, the waiter has been giving a portion of his earning to the rich and you’re okay with that????

Omentum:
“Terms like communist, socialist, marxist, are foreign to most folks under 40″
The willful ignorance displayed by this comment is terrifying.
Posted by: Wade | Oct 27, 2008 2:04:51 PM
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I know full well what the terms mean. I was talking about the majority of americans.
instead of being terrified and scared you should figure how to communicate to the people of today so that your can get your message out.
just trying to help.

WAITERS don’t pay taxes! lol.

Omentum:
“Terms like communist, socialist, marxist, are foreign to most folks under 40″
The willful ignorance displayed by this comment is terrifying.
Posted by: Wade | Oct 27, 2008 2:04:51 PM
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I know full well what the terms mean. I was talking about the majority of americans.
instead of being terrified and scared you should figure how to communicate to the people of today so that your can get your message out.
just trying to help.
Posted by: Omentum | Oct 27, 2008 2:09:14 PM
ooops I forgot. if the republicans talk about issues they lose.

Oh geez…. you knew Obama was going after reparations! well, there it is.

Drudge? Great, the McCain campaign has resorted to sending out scary emails to Jewish voters and using Drudge for strategy. McCain should just head to Denny’s for the early bird special and call it an election.

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Paint VA BluE- Its amazing how you say Palin cant even answer a question. Well at least when she gets one she doesnt like because its hard,she gets up and ends the interview. I am telling you when it gets hard Obama will not know what to do. The DEM took a interview with Biden and walked off the interview because the didnt like the question. People are actually asking hard questions to him. McCain and Palin go on shows where they are going to get ripped and never leave early and whin like BABALROC OBAMA and JOE BLINDEN.
Posted by: tim | Oct 27, 2008 2:01:56 PM
** No they run to FOx News to have all of their interviews.. you remember we just started hearing what Palin has to say. NOt to mention the fact the McCain campaign said she’s doing her own thing so she can run in 2012… she’d love to be president to really abuse her power! We all know Failin is not capable of running this country. We’d rather her govern Alaska and watch Putin from there {it makes it easier to say this when the republican party is ripping her to pieces)
*******
Blue,
Elect Obama and Palin WILL be the only one looking at Putin in the eye. By the time Obama figures out the politically correct response to any Russian incursion, Alaska will already have been annexed by Russia.
On the concept of the isnterviews, Palin did not get up and leave and whine when a CNN interviewer deliberately lied about comments in a National Review article. Bideon is is incompetent and proves it every other time he opens his mouth around a microphone. Then when he finally has to answer areal question, he whines and acts like a two-year old because he didnt get the “approved” questions.

Barack Obama in was a lecturer at U Chicago (called “professor” at most U.S. schools), a student of the Constitution. He discussed his ideas and interpretations with some of the nation’s great minds, adn I’m sure this had to mold his developing perspectives as much as did his more personal background.
To now decry “spreading the wealth” terminology as somehow anti-American and anti-Constitution, is to cherry-pick among his many statements. McCain’s folks are trying to find some dormant flower of hope that Obama misstepped at some point, and uncover some phrasings that they can again twist to their own ends.
I read his position as “let’s not leave anyone behind,” “let’s raise the tide so all boats can float higher.” Essentially, that is the mainstay of the Soldier’s doctrine: leave no one behind; let’s fight for the common good of the U.S. and of the peaceful world.”
Is it anti-American to make a mockery of this position? Perhaps, Mr. McCain, perhaps it is. Perhaps we have had enough of your mockery.

stand clear of the feet and the tusk of this dying elephant folks.

As someone who admits to having no expertise in this area, but a reasonable level of understanding of the issues, a few things strike me (as an unabashed, opinionated democrat).
1) Republicans possess much fear and use this emotion to promote untruths – for instance this conversation regarding the “redistribution of wealth.” Unless I’m mistaken, don’t we already have a progressive tax system that does a little of this? I think that’s what it means to have varying tax brackets depending on your income. The bottom line is that wealthier people pay more taxes since they have more disposable income and some of this is packaged as social programs to help those in need. Seems like a redistribution of wealth that in my opinion is both necessary and idealogically sound. You may not like it, but it’s the system and it’s been in place long before Obama.
2) There seems to be a sentiment that Obama is some radical chomping at the bit to alter the constitution and with the help of his democratic cohorts in congress, will accomplish this feat. This sounds like a ridiculous grasping at straws by republicans in a last ditch effort to distract us from real issues.
3) McCain and his supporters are desperate. It’s been awhile since I’ve heard the republicans talk about any of their own policies instead choosing to focus on their opponent. While I’m no strategist, I take this as a good sign that Obama is in the driver’s seat. Only the weak build themselves up by exclusively chopping others down. Sure, it’s good to have all the information out there, but all I see is blatant twisting of quotes and negativity.
4) People are ready for an articulate, intelligent president like Barack Obama because we can’t take any more of the same out of touch, self-serving type we’ve had the last 8 years. We want somebody who will represent us well in the presence of foreign leaders, someone who has a fresh vision for how to free America from foreign oil dependence, and someone who understands that when the masses (i.e. middle class) do well, the country as a whole prospers. You may not think Barack Obama is perfect, but he’s the obvious choice to me to start the turnaround.

Posted by: YES THEY DO | Oct 27, 2008 2:13:53 PM
** Everyone pays taxes everyday when they pay their bills, get their food, buy their gas.. we all pay taxes

MC: “In the two years the democrats have been in office the economy has crumbled.”
A few short weeks ago your guy, McCain said, “the economy is fundamentally sound.” Remember? It didn’t take the Democrats two years to wreck the economy, they did it in only two months!

Wow,
There really are two different worlds if this conversation that so obviusly deals with the basic fact that, notwithstanding the new “civil rights,” black folks were left as POOR as ever as a result of a legacy of slavery and the aftermath Jim Crow. It was black folks themselves who abandoned a struggle for economic parity and laws that would deal specifically with th issue (like the Equal Pay Amendment women seek) because they believed so heartily that desegretation would solve every problem. It is beyond obvious that when it came to economics, this position and decision was wrong. It is a long discussed and long accepted reality in Black America and so now that we are about to really be one America it can be a long accepted reality by all America.

Howard Stern hates Palin he is supporting Obama in the election.
I think Trump may have changed his mind after Palin as well.

DareNigeria,
What are you smokin’? You ranted, “KB,
Are you a College Graduate? You need to be able to distinguish between “a Law Professor” and “Professor of Law” He did not call himself a Professor of Law.”
I am not KB, but I am a college graduate (no need for capitals, it is not a proper name). In fact, I hold a PhD and I am an academic myself. You suggest there is some difference between “law professor” and “professor of law.” Please enlighten me as to the distinction. The academics I know use the two phrases interchangeably. We refer to someone as an “English professor” or a “professor of English” and do not prefer the phrase “chemistry professor” to “professor of chemistry.” What on earth as you talking about?
I am Joe Moderate
I am Joe College Professor
Use your Brain/Vote McCain

“A few short weeks ago your guy, McCain said, “the economy is fundamentally sound.” Remember? It didn’t take the Democrats two years to wreck the economy, they did it in only two months!
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Monk,
Barney Frank stated earlier this summer that “moving forward they will be fine!”, refering to Freddic & Fannie.
Remember that one ?

Why not tax the rich at 100% and give the money to the poor? Isn’t that where this is all going? Why quibble about a few percentage points?
Obama probably will just define how much is the maximum that someone should be allowed to earn and anything beyond that should be confiscated and redistributed by the government to ‘spread the wealth around’.
What’s wrong with that?

No amount of spin from the Obamabots will fix this problem. The cat’s out of the bag, first with Joe the Plumber, and now with this audi tape. Of course, many of us have been talking about this topic for months, but better late than never I suppose.
Barack Obama=Socialist

McCain does not have to try to scare me. I already know what an Obama presidency would mean.

Obama is a Marxist? Which one, Groucho or Harpo?
You know, I would have thought the Republicans would have realized by now that name calling isn’t working for them. In just a few days, the only name they’ll be calling Obama is Mr. President.

”
To now decry “spreading the wealth” terminology as somehow anti-American and anti-Constitution, is to cherry-pick among his many statements
”
LOL…Not Cherry Pickin…its going to go right up there with Mondale’s big one….Most every campaign has one
“The difference between me and Ronald Regan is that I will tell you I AM going to raise your taxes!”

Obama’s words speak for themselves and they certainly do not reflect the revised version and interpretation put out by the DNC.
His point, obviously, was the the Supreme Court is not radical enough and (probably) cannot be due to the Constitution. He doesn’t appear to value the fact that Law is enacted by Congress and Facts are are evaluated according to Law by the courts.
Brushing off these Obama’s plainly spoken views as so-called Rethuglican smear tactics doesn’t work for me.

“Barney Frank stated earlier this summer that “moving forward they will be fine!”, refering to Freddic & Fannie.
Remember that one ?”
Mike_C
Barney Frank is an idiot and so is John McCain. The one big difference is that one of them is running for President.

Obama is a Marxist? Which one, Groucho or Harpo?
You know, I would have thought the Republicans would have realized by now that name calling isn’t working for them. In just a few days, the only name they’ll be calling Obama is Mr. President.
Posted by: Blindhowlin | Oct 27, 2008 2:26:54 PM
** Well said!

Don’t look too good for the old dude and his hot running mate.

have a question when families like Sarah Palin’s who don’t believe in birth control and have five children get a tax credit per child is that welfare? Are those of us with fewer children paying for the children of families like hers, are we penalized for having fewer children or no children at all? I just want a rational answer, I have nothing against people having as many children as they like I am just attempting to show how ridiculous the argument is that just because someone who works hard everyday is low income and they don’t pay income tax that somehow it is welfare. Rational replys only!
Posted by: Very Curious | Oct 27, 2008 2:26:14 PM
** Whats even worse? McCain voted AGAINST birth control to be covered by insurance but voted for Viagra to be covered….
*maybe if he would have voted for birth control to be covered, sarah palin’s 17 year old unmarried daughter wouldn’t be having a baby before she’s an adult~

Obama = McCain = Bush
Sad that we don’t really get a choice.

** Whats even worse? McCain voted AGAINST birth control to be covered by insurance but voted for Viagra to be covered….
*maybe if he would have voted for birth control to be covered, sarah palin’s 17 year old unmarried daughter wouldn’t be having a baby before she’s an adult~
So Blue….would you feel better if Palin’s daughter went on welfare and had 5 or 6 more so she could collect more checks?….or so you & Obama could take the money I want to use to put my kid through college to “spread” to her?

McCain is to old to be in office, his running mate is to dumb, and McCain’s words and political view is always looking back to his past and never to the future.

Just more of the effort to turn Obama into a bogeyman.
Meanwhile, voters are still waiting for McCain to tell them how he would do things differently from Bush.

I am reading comments like “that was 10 years ago” or “that was 3 years ago” from the Obama supporters. Even if it happened 5 minutes ago many of you could care less and would still vote for the Obama the Socialist. You want to ride the government payday as long as it lasts then insult whoever is in charge when the money isn’t there. For 18 months Obama hardly ever reveled what the “Hope & Change” statement meant. Now that we know, it did not sway your opinion. Many of you are closet Socialists and like it. The US did not become the greatest nation on earth because of socialisum but capitalisum. Without the “American Dream” in view for the hard work people put out then why attempt it. Given than many are slugs in society we are destined to fall the way of Europe. Go vote for the “Slayer of the American Dream”, you have many people following you.

Does the phrase “grasping at straws” ring a bell? No one is listening, John. It’s over.

Are we leaning toward an extreme liberal leftist society? It is bad for the future generations? American people deserve better than that, in the tradition of our founding-fathers such as George Washington, Abraham Lincoln and, recently, Ronald Reagan.

“Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with Obama’s economic plan”<<>>ROTFLMAO<<>>I could give him the benefit of the doubt here – If we all didn’t know better<<>>What a Marxist!!!

Hey you, Matt Drudge! Trying to gloss over that Pittsburgh McCain campaign worker to tried some race-baiting last week? Or was it you who tried the race-baiting with your publishing the story in the first place? It was easy to sense there was more than something fishy about the story, with just a bit of digging. The poor young woman, who admitted to harming herself and to the fact that there was no “large black man” who attacked her, is now in custody and hopefully get some help.
Why do you like sharing this crap without checking things out, without giving the slightest bit of context? I hope you are out of business come next Wednesday.
Posted by: Ron of Baltimore | Oct 27, 2008 2:46:34 PM
** The crazy and stupid girl carved the B into her own face.. backwards.. in a mirror…
we all know why she did it but the news doesn’t want to pay too much attention to it because she’s a crazy white person and thats okay in America…

McCain appears to have nothing to sell so instead he’ll criticize and condemn what his opponent selling. So typical of the GOP these days. Propaganda and spin! LOL

2008, 2 wars, economy in the hole, post-9/11, post-katrina, republican in the white house, republicans controlling congress for 10 of the last 12 years, democrats with a slim hold in senate of 2 independent senators who vote with them (hardly a majority) and WHAT IS YOUR BIGGEST FEAR?
We’re becoming like Sweden!
OBVIOUSLY.
War against socialism – Bomb Sweden?
If Sweden is your bogeyman in 2008, time to hang it up.

Geeville: …..with the same washed-up pitiful POW stories. That is what is wrong with libs, they can’t even imagine doing some thing heroic for their country, or anyone other than themselves so they try to downgrade the good acts of others. How pitiful the person who has to belittle others because he can’t or won’t do himself. Maybe walk a mile in the shoes, or spend a month in that prison camp before saying you are “tired” of hearing about it. Or maybe we should spend a day on your couch, eating cheesy poofs, waiting for another government check to arrive so we can see how your experience gives you the right to make judgements on someone who did something most people won’t do.

I voted last week. Obama will win. Big.
McCain supporters: Get over it and stop whining.
Obama, the better of our two choices, offers the hope of some moderate styled common sense, if only you haters will allow him the chance.

That’s correct, All Republicans Vote Nov 5th this year ! Tell your boss you will be late..

If this doesn’t put it in perspective, nothing ever will. If McCain wins and the actuary tables, life expectancy with McCain’s medical history are correct, he will not complete his term in office. That leaves Sarah Palin as the next President of the USA. The most unqualifed person McCain could have picked becomes the President of this nation. As President, her hand will be the hand on our Nuclear Arsenal with her shadow President Todd. No, not the Generals, not the Pentagon, but Palin will make the life and death decision for all of us. As much as I dislike Bush, I would rather have his hand on the nuclear arsenal than Palin. Think about that because that could very well be the reality.

Omentum:
So, people should not learn about communism and the like? Nazism? If they don’t understand something presented to them, it’s the fault of the messenger?
The reason it’s terrifying is because it fits in with Ayers’ and other educators philosophies. i.e. education is not effective or doing its job to enlighten students if it talks about things that are not “relevant” to student’s backgrounds.
The eventual goal of this kind of philosophy is to limit inquiry…it leaves the student open to the world-view of the teacher, who may impose their perception of the state of the world..
So, we take discussion of communism and socialism off the table, start talking in terms of euphemisms like “economic justice,” “social justice,” “imperialism,” “oppression,” “means of production,” “redistributive change,” “activism”…before you know it, you are thinking in terms that can be applied to fundamentally Marxist thought without characterizing them as Marxist…
Who can argue with “social justice?” Sounds great!
So, the goal is to talk about these sorts of things in terms that are beneficial to the propagandist without acknowledging that the roots of such ideology have been associated with some rather unpleasant developments in history…
That’s why it terrifies me…

Jake, it’s a good thing you aren’t an actuary. You don’t know what you’re talking about.

“Obama = McCain = Bush
Sad that we don’t really get a choice.”
Yes, you do. Vote for Ralph Nader.

That campaign worker in Pittsburg was a Democrat claiming to be a Republican!!
Jokes on you!!

To Jake:
What an idiotic comment. If John McCain wins and doesn’t run again, that DOESN’T leave Sarah Palin as president. She would have to run for office, and win the election. Of course, if MSM is biased for her the way it is for Obama, she would likely win.

John McCain. No vision. No judgment. No hope. Sarah Palin. No decency. No brains. McCain/Palin. The losers of the election of ’08. And as soon as Palin rears her pretty face in 2012, it will be delicious to watch the Republicans who are now falsely praising her lambaste her for her lack of experience and and lack of brains in their effort to beat her to the 2012 nomination. As sure as God made green apples, that’s what will happen. Then again, they never said they weren’t hippocrites, just that it’s unfair of the press to report their hypocrisy.

McCain is just as much about redistributing wealth, the only difference is he wants to redistribute the wealth of the middle class into the hands of the rich.
By the way several years ago our government bailed out tyson foods with billions of US tax dollars because they shipped too much food and it rotted in a Russian harbor.
Funny thing we never hear about this kind of “socialism”, aka the socialism for the benefit of the wealthy, which is exactly what mccains stands for.

In case you haven’t read this article (it was so well hidden under “Money” in ABC News), I ask you to please take the time to read it. The journalist, Michael Malone, appears so outraged and appalled by the extent of the bias of the MSM that he finally feels the need to vent.

I don’t understand why so many of you believe that Obama’s “socialists” economic policies will be the downfall of America. The tax structure he’s proposing, combined with his proposition to audit expenditures in an effort to trim current spending, takes us back to the structure we had during the Clinton presidency. We weren’t socialist then and we weren’t in the record deficit we are in now.
If you want to look at this differently, see if from the perspective of the middle class who live paycheck to paycheck and pay an unfair percentage of taxes for the same or sometimes lesser valued benefits (poorer area, same tax; poorer school funding, same tax; poorer access to quality health, same taxes; poorer quality streets, same taxes) that the rich take for granted.
So it’s being proposed that the tax breaks the wealthy have been getting for the past 8 years be reduced and the wealthy want to whine. Look up what capitalism means: “An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.” . . . “In order to have an economic system in which “production and distribution are privately or corporately owned”, you must have individual rights and specifically property rights.” In the US, we are a capitalist country with undertones of ensuring that not everyone has individual and/or property rights. The greedy wealthy corporations in our society invest a lot into our government to ensure that.
Now let’s define socialism: “1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2 a: a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b: a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.”
The US does not fit any of the socialist definitions, nor does Obama’s proposals. At no time will people loose their rights or property; at no time will the state of federal government own or control our means of production or distribution of goods; the government can’t even control what employers pay their workers.
So for all of you fear-mongerers hiding behind words like socialist and threatening those who don’t know any better, just admit what you’re really afraid of. You’re either afraid the country is being allowed to take back ownership of their government and holding elected officials responsible for protecting the rights and interest of the middle and lower class who are currently slaving their lives away to keep you rich; or you’re afraid that the middle class will rise to a level that threatens your bottom line with competition; or maybe you’re afraid of a black person – period. Regardless of which of these it is your fear is unwarranted.
We ALL pay taxes and elect our officials so that we can compete in the global market, keep our nation safe, protect the future of our children physically, environmentally, socially, fiscally; advocate for what’s in the best interest of the nation; and much more. We are not a socialist country but the government officials we hire have a social responsibility to treat all citizens equally and with dignity. I voted for who I believe will have an administration that is more aligned with what the majority of American citizens (91% of Americans consider themselves upper middle, middle, and lower middle-class) are in need of for the next four, hopefully eight years.
Obama/Biden 08

Anyone happen to catch the report on Nightly News last week about the poor farmers.
They are making between 250k to a million bucks.
Getting extra checks in the mail for not growing crops.
One of the farmers wives said, “Gee…we get these checks in the mail from the government and wow we are happy but we get these checks for NOT DOING NOTHING”.
Yeah….
Something does not sound right…
Now that is welfare for the rich if you ask me.

Talk about an insulated faction…
‘No man is an island’
All of this slamming of Welfare recipients is truly disgusting. First of all, do ANY of you know ANYONE personally who receives Welfare? It was put into place to provide for the least of us. If we are truly the greatest nation on the planet, why don’t we demonstrate it by creating a strong infrastructure among our people? Secondly, isn’t ‘providing for the least of us’ what you pray for each Sunday? You scream about morality and spiritual obligation but would step over a starving child to fatten up your 401K. Your Free Market has failed you twice now because we’ve seen what the human cost is.

McCain has become a poster boy for ineptness. He has actually STOLEN every single campaign theme of Obama, right down to the slogan, “more of the same.” He’s so pathetic that he now says that Obama is too much like Bush! Hahaha! He said in the last debate, “Senator Obama, … if you wanted to run against President Bush you should have run in 2004.” Now in his latest speech and ads, McCain is RUNNING AGAINST BUSH! Perfect. He has parodied himself. Maybe he’s watching too much SNL. Old CW: McCain is a hero and maverick. New CW: McCain is a pathetic, deperate, erratic, aimless old fool.

To SuziQ..
Update!!
Just because you are half Hispanic/Wasp..does not mean you cannot be racist.
Racism knows no color.

McCain has his interpretation of “redistributing wealth.” Well, here’s MY interpretation!
I am one of those hard working people he talks about, and I am tired of the fact that even though the productivity of the American worker steadily increases, our wages stagnate or decrease – while at the same time, the incomes of the richest in this country have increased to a point that is far beyond obscene.
When I was a kid, my dad worked for a company where everyone got profit sharing checks a couple times a year, and a nice Christmas bonus too. When’s the last time you talked to someone who got a profit sharing check from their employer? Ten years ago? Twenty?
So where does all that new wealth go that our increased productivity helped create? It goes into the pockets of CEOs and their fellow executives.
So yeah – damn straight – I want a redistribution of wealth!
McCain says “let’s create new business and new wealth.” Why? Just so we can have another batch of overpaid CEOs who get rich off their employees and pay them just enough to keep them from revolting?

Laura I do not make $250 a year but my company is a small company with about 30 employees. We were told that between 3 to 6 of us might be laid off in Feb. Now you tell me who is going to be getting hand outs. Obama is going to kill small business and I will know first hand. Right now I am praying I will not be the one that gets laid off.

memo to self: Fix that pesky old Constitution. Make it more relevant.

If Obama had not run for President, we might not know that there are so many Republican racists in this country. I think it pleases God to shine light on those cockroaches and watch them run for cover.

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Okay so how many of you yahoos even make $250K or more a year, my guess not many or you would not be on this website spewing nonsense. People who pay make more money should absolutely pay more taxes and it is not as if he is going to take your money and cut me a check, I will still be paying taxes just not as much. I am a college educated single mom who make just over $55K, do I not deserve that break? Who in the heck do you all think you are. And excuse me but Joe the Plumber is a joke, okay he does not now and never might make that kind of money and a far as hom owning a business one day well maybe and maybe I will win an Academy Award, I mean it could happen right?
Posted by: Laura
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Laura,
First & foremost you seriously need to factor in the fact that Obama’s plan MUST pass thru a Pelosi/Reid congress. Given the deomcrats plans that are already coming out (Removing the 401Ks and replacing them with another entitlment program that rquires you to “tithe” 5% of your imcome & Barney Frank’s wacko plan to cut defense spending by 25%), you know that Obama’s little 250K line is going to get lowered!
You need to refer to the Dept of the Treasury’s reports on who pays the most taxes. In ACTUAL FACT, the bottom 50% are paying less under BUSH than they did Under Clinton. Obama’s plan to rerurn to the years of Clinton means the bottom 50% will taken on a greater percentage of the tax burden!
This are FACTS…UNDISPUTABLE FACTS!
Personally, I hope that at some point in the next few years, my wife & I might get well up into the 6 digit range as a couple. I really dont want someone trying to set a tax ceiling over my dreams, just because he thinks he knows how to disribute my money better than I do.

Obama has good talk about change. Then he decided to bail out rich bankers with the rest of the corrupt politicians. He talks about change then does what Bush says.
Posted by: Victor | Oct 27, 2008 3:11:03 PM
** So did McCain.. but I thought he’s stood against his party? He didn’t this time…

“Europeans call it socialism, Americans call it welfare, and Barack Obama calls it change.”
McCain calls out Barry.

“If Obama had not run for President, we might not know that there are so many Republican racists in this country.”
That’s right because if you oppose Obama, you simply must be a racist.
There’s just no other explanation. Thanks for pointing that out hamishdad.

@Greg Rodgers
Well I don’t believe Obama’s election conversion from saying that he could no more deny Wright than he could his typical white person grandmother – to – throwing Wright under the bus when he became too big a political liability. Apparently Wright and Obama agreed that at some point BO would have to distance himself from Wright for political posturing.
Obama has said too much along these lines for me to ever think he doesn’t have a huge grudge against whites – you should read or listen to his books.

If Obama wants to share wealth so badly, why don’t he and all the democrats in congress share their salaries with the poor. They can work for $1 a day, and that would help tremendously. After all they hardly work hard eough for the money we pay them. Obama is a cheap suit. This is one Democrat that will not vote for him. I know there are many others.

OKAY PEOPLE…Look up Liberal; tolerant & open minded, then look up Conservative; Inclined to keep up existing institutions & customs. Read the complete definition of each. If being liberal means I am open minded, tolerant & not constrained by orthodoxy & tradition, then so be it!! Socialism has been practiced in politics, on both sides, not just by democrats & look where we are right now under the Bush administration. It is socialism, front & center!! Neither candidate has the experience for president & the NEW president will be tested, no matter which side wins! Change is in the air, it’s what we need & Obama/Biden, for me, is the choice. Obama has stated his plans & if sitting down to talk to your enemy prevents possible bloodshed, I’m all for that. It’s better than jumping into another war, blindly. McCain just says he has a plan, but I haven’t seen it yet. I only see negativity, out of context quotes & associations & constant whining that the dems are being unfair. Mcain, you get mad, stomp your feet & throw tantrums! It won’t help you win, but you might feel better.

“Funny how you conservative types love to call Obama “socialist” because he supports social programs for the benefit of the majority of americans, but you have NO PROBLEM with the rich corporations buying out our politicians so they can get tax breaks,”
Accorn, I do have a problem with rich corporations such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buying off Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, and… and… Barack Obama.
I’m glad to see it bothers you as well.

To people who still here (election is alredy over):
Could you attack any more? Good god, Attacks, attacks and more attacks.
Do you people have anything new to say? Any ideas?

The greedy wealthy are crying because they might have to pay a few more dollars in taxes. They don’t see the tears that the working class shed as they lose their jobs to China, as they try to make their mortgage payments, as they see their dreams vanishing before their eyes. I know because my wonderful job moved to China four years ago and I have been struggling ever since. Over 200 jobs were lost and we appealed to President Bush to stop it because we made the magnets for the “Smart Bombs”, but he, or his staff, didn’t even have the courtesy to reply. Obama has good ideas that make since. He gets my vote!

If it’s fair for McCain to dredge up and mischaracterize statements Obama made in 2001, why isn’t it fair for democrats to point out the hypocrisy of the two “values candidates,” McCain and Palin. One valued dumping his wife in a time of need to marry a rich blonde (McCain flat-out admitted to doing so). The other exhalts teen pregnancy as just fine. I can’t wait to see how fast they cancel that sham wedding as soon as Palin and McCain lose the election.

Paint VA Blue You call the repbulicans racist yet 97% of African Americans are voting for Obama. What do you call this?

If it’s fair for McCain to dredge up and mischaracterize statements Obama made in 2001, why isn’t it fair for democrats to point out the hypocrisy of the two “values candidates,” McCain and Palin. One valued dumping his wife in a time of need to marry a rich blonde (McCain flat-out admitted to doing so). The other exhalts teen pregnancy as just fine. I can’t wait to see how fast they cancel that sham wedding as soon as Palin and McCain lose the election.
Posted by: Values Voter | Oct 27, 2008 3:43:34 PM
** The Republican party no longer is moral. They are most happy ruining the integrity of this nation with their radical ideals they hide behind God. What they forget is The Lord Jesus Christ is not a racist, a bigot, nor a sexist. He loves us all even the black people and the muslims too. Seems to me conservatives are linking up w/ the devil… but when they reach the pearly gates God will remind them of their judgmental and harmful ways to the faith of christianity and to America. They will then feel the wrath of God. No need to worry, God will handle them with a strong hand and then love them in the end.. he loves EVERYONE!

@pefros
You do know that the Republicans tried to do something about Fannie and Freddie but were stopped by the Democrats in Congress don’t you? This is a documented fact and for your own good you should educate yourself.

What’s going on on the right is not about racism, at all. Its about CLASS WARFARE. Its exactly the same as what’s going on in Africa. Gangs of young males going around and foribly taking farms from their owners. It’s really not race. It’s gang theft.

@pefros
You do know that the Republicans tried to do something about Fannie and Freddie but were stopped by the Democrats in Congress don’t you? This is a documented fact and for your own good you should educate yourself.
Posted by: SuziQ | Oct 27, 2008 3:48:22 PM
** Suzi you do know John McCain called himself the ‘deregulator’? which means he would want Americans to delve more into this nonsense..for your own good I suggest you educate yourself!

Stephie, you are not racist, but you have been sold a false bill of goods, and by people who aren’t very persuasive. I suggest getting a great deal more education, and not accepting what politicians say at face value.

Paint VA Blue You call the repbulicans racist yet 97% of African Americans are voting for Obama. What do you call this?
Posted by: DUMB | Oct 27, 2008 3:46:52 PM
** Its called being smart. Plus black Americans have never said anything w/ the majority of white people voting for a white person.. in fact we’ve voted for all white people! See the irony in your dumb statement?

Hey PAINT,
Where’s the mischaracterisation???? PLAY THE TAPE YOURSELF. ITS NOT COMPLICATED. IT SAYS THAT ITS A PITY THAT THE SUPREME COURT DIDN’T REDISTRIBUTE WEALTH WHEN THEY SPOKE ABOUT CIVIL RIGHTS. BARACK BELIEVES THAT HIS CIVIL RIGHTS INCLUDE YOUR LIFE SAVINGS

And is interesting to see all the Republican spammers show up here with their scripted ‘talking points’ on how to make the Democrats look scary.. .
Hint a little bit about race and religion,
Try to make a tax break for the middle and lower income groups look evil,
Make fun of Obama’s middle name,
Accuse Obama and the Democrats of being ‘about to destroy the nation’ . .. we know who almost destroyed the nation.
Anyhow, it seems scripted and probably paid for . ..

With his desperate attacks McCain has become a very divisive figure. He won’t even get a single law passed in congress. He would be even more ineffective as Bush is now.
Well, election is already over, why fuss?

Funny how you conservative types love to call Obama “socialist” because he supports social programs for the benefit of the majority of americans, but you have NO PROBLEM with the rich corporations buying out our politicians so they can get tax breaks,”
Accorn, I do have a problem with rich corporations such as Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buying off Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Maxine Waters, and… and… Barack Obama.
I’m glad to see it bothers you as well.
Posted by: Cliff | Oct 27, 2008 3:41:03 PM
** Cliff you still didn’t answer why you have no problem with giving tax breaks to the wealthy? Why don’t conservatives give us an answer for that? because they don’t have one!

Illinois ran by all democrats including Obama. Highest taxes not just on the rich but also the middle class, Highest unemployment in country, could be because business does not want to pay for the highest taxes, highest crime rate, could be because of no jobs, because of the high taxes which cause people to steal. Obama tax plan will do the same to this country what he did to Illinois. The Democrats can’t blame the repulicans for this mess because there is not one in office.

Sorry folks, a tax break for the middle and lower income groups is not evil, no matter how you try to make it look.

Well, em, if it doesn’t swing “enough votes to matter” it’s because the McCain rallies are reaching essentially the same people who watch Hannity and read Drudge. The same base voters who have made up their minds long ago. And who read Drudge and watch Hannity, and listen to Rush to find out ‘what and how to think”.
And given the current campaign, the last group to be accused of “spin” should be the Obama camp.

Texas a conservative state doing very well. Illinois, Michigan, NewYork ran by Democrats all are begging for National help. Now who do I want to run the country not a hard choice.

“Illinois ran by all democrats including Obama. Highest taxes not just on the rich but also the middle class, Highest unemployment in country”
According to the conservative Tax Foundation, Illinois ranked 30th in tax burden.
Unemployment is high in Illinois but they are behind 4 other states and right behind Alaska in terms of unemployment rate.
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

“With his desperate attacks McCain has become a very divisive figure. He won’t even get a single law passed in congress. He would be even more ineffective as Bush is now.”
Good point. The guy has basically holed himself up in a corner with his almost out-of-control negativity and anger.

If Obama wants to share the wealth so much, why doesn’t he get his brother something better than a box to live in over in Kenya?
Michelle just ate a $500 lobster snack the other day. Send some of that dough to his brother. But folks, they aren’t going to share their wealth. Commissars don’t do that. They’re going to share YOUR wealth.

WITCH-HUNTING OR UN-MASKING?

.B. 1055 (Sen. Barack Obama, D-Chicago/Rep. Barbara Flynn Currie, D-Chicago) seeks to create the Check Acceptance Firm Act. Requires entities providing information verification services with respect to a consumer’s personal check to provide specific reasons why the check was rejected if it was rejected. The interpretation can be so broad as to require entities to reveal proprietary portions of the verification formula. The result would be those wishing to commit fraud would have a road-map on how to evade the formula. Senator Obama held the bill pending further discussions.
Obama also wanted to help his people pass bad checks. hey, it’s only spreading the wealth around right?

I did a comparison of news coverage on my local abc channel for yesterday, Sunday Oct 26 2008 and noted that the news was arranged in an ANTI republican way, and a PRO Obama way. I noted the comments and how much time was given and the context.
McCain was quoted when he stumbled in a sentence or out of context said something bad; Obama was shown in his campaign commercials where each word is carefully checked. Just in Sundays biased left news McCain was attacked and said to be behind double digits; Palin talked about wardrobe gate, and Obama was shown in a Hollywood esque perfect angle. The viewers got NOTHING negative about Obama, but McCain is called a liar, desparate, campaign is fighting itself, trying to hide stealing money for clothing etc.
Since abc ran the official campaign commercial for Obama but not McCain isnt this a campaign contribution?
Keyt news Sunday oct 26 2008
Poll numbers say pres race is tight 49 – 44 for Obama of likely voters 2.9% undecided. McCain up in the economy ratings… interview w/McCain where he stumbles in his sentence. About 7 sec of McCain talking, and another 3 seconds of McCain talking about economy.
Then its about Obama has the lead by double digits and shows an Obama ad for 9 seconds. The difference so far is that abc shows McCain in an interview not making a point very well and stumbling in a sentence, but they show Obama’s carefully prepared campaign video so every word is maximumly effective.
Then it’s a tragic story of a gruesome murder and in the same breath how President Bush has failed at middle east peace because Israel is not doing something right, Bush had hoped to fix things in the middle east before leaving office. The impression is to combine a tragic story with the GOP candidate and show failure.
Nothing of criticism was shown for Obama. Todays news did show a slight decline in popularity of Obama in regards to economic poll/support but that’s it. No mention of Obama and Marxism, no mention of anything negative.
Abc world news Sunday oct 26
In the McCain camp there is in-fighting, McCain complains of unchecked power if the 3 branches are all controlled by the DNC;
Tapped out, the economy tanks and charities and aminals are hurt and suffer.
Report: after 2 years of campaigning, Obama is leading at 52%, McCain has a lot of ground to make up. Meaning its over and Obama has won, don’t even go vote.
But McCain is not only fighting Obama but the Palin camp, McCain-Palin are fighting each other. Report from Zanesville Ohio, There are reports his campaign has been racked by infighting. Ben Smith Sr political writer for Politico.com: “Palin sez McCain is messing up (inaudible) and McCain aides are calling her a Diva”. Disagreements that Palins messages conflict with McCain like criticizing automated robocalls & calling McCain to attack the Rev Wright which he has refused to do.
Video clip of McCain in interview: “…I don’t defend her, I support her.” But McCain did defend the $150,000 on new clothes: “…some money (stumbles in speaking) will be given back…”. At the campaign in Florida Palin responded to Wardrobe-gate: “those clothes they are not my property. Im not takin em with me, Im back to wearin my own clothes from my favorite consignment shop in Anchorage Ak.
Announcer: Palin went on to say she bought her own wedding ring for $35.00
Reported dissention in ranks may be a sign of growing frustration that nothing McCain is hitting Obama with is sticking and time is running out. End segment on McCain 2 minutes
Next segment: one way to measure Obama confidence critics might call over confidence is to look where he campaigned this weekend… Obama continues to hammer McCain on being nothing more than George W Bush 2.0 video clip: Obama campaign ad attacking McCain on being divisive and lying about Obama raising taxes…
About 4 minutes for Obama coverage, nothing negative about Obama.
Followup on infighting, what are the facts? Reporter: well typically a VP candidate who wants to win and thinks they are losing will act this way…
And then switching to the incident where Syria was the focus of some attack, abc quotes what the Syrian govt says, calling for top level leaders to condemn these unfair attacks where US forces shot and killed (innocent civilians), not terrorists; and then in Pakistan how an unmanned US arial drone killed/bombed causing strife and the result was families were displaced having to live in tents, its all the US’s fault. And then tribes in Pakistan were standing up to the Taliban and (tribes are being trained by the US) but you would miss that sentence if you were not transcribing it. Then talk about Iranian president Ahmadenijad how he was ill because of stress, shown in this video smiling to cameras but looked a bit tired. He has been criticized from internal Iranian sources and may not run for re election. But no mention of anything negative about the evil dictator, he is obviously a hero to abc news.

The Republicans have already been sharing your wealth for the past 8 years.
They’ve been spreading it around with lower and middle income groups losing real income and real money while the top 10% make off like bandits.
Please remember Bush and Cheney and how well their oil, banking, junk bond and military/industrial (Halliburton, etc) have done.
It was a straight shift of wealth out of the everyday taxpayers pockets into the pockets of the elite Republican rich.
Republican scare tactics won’t work this time.

Actual Actuary….Here’s something to think about…
McCain will be 72.5 years old in January when the swearing-in of the next President takes place.
McCain’s father died from a sudden heart attack at age 70.
McCain’s grandfather died unexpectedly from a sudden heart attack at age 61.
He has survived four skin cancers (melanomas), including one in 2000 that was classified as Stage IIa.
ex-smoker.
Actuarial tables inform us that a man aged 72 has about a 15 percent chance of not surviving four years and about a 32 percent chance (about 1 in 3) of not surviving eight years. (Social Security Administration 2004 actuarial tables).
These statistics do not take into account the fact that John McCain has battled melanoma, a deadly form of skin cancer, since 1993, when he had a melanoma removed from his arm. In 2000, two more melanomas were removed plus a lymph node. The American Cancer Society does not keep statistics on multiple melonomas occuring above the neck which is consider among the highest cancer risks with low survival outcomes. In essence, given his previous bouts with cancer, the history of his father and grandfather, his odds increase substantially of not finishing his term. Given his age, medical and familly history, it would be almost impossible for him to even obtain life insurance, unless he paid an extraordinarly high premuim. That from a very experienced insurance professional working for a major insurance company.
Now tell me that you honestly don’t have a concern with McCain not finishing his term and with Palin as President.

Too those who keep bringing up the WMDs, you are either stupid or very ill read. Part of the WMDs were moved to Syria under the cover of earthquake aid and over 500 tons of yellow cake were recently brought to this country from Iraq under the cover of night. So your lies don’t stand. Obama wants your dollars. How else will he pay for the $1 trillion tax increase including $845 Billion to be sent to the dictators of countries he’s helped take over. You have to be truly stupid if you think he doesn’t want your funds. Both him and Lyin’ Biden have been exposed for the deceivers they are.

Maybe Rezko will buy brother George a house so he can get out of that box in Kenya.

all i want to know is when is the media going to find its way to a non-biased coverage of the candidates. if mccain had been found to say anything like this he would have been ripped apart all over the news.

As much as I don’t approve of McCain’s program, it is not him that causes me concern, but his VP Palin. McCain’s health is the key determining factor because the realities are that he is indeed at a higher risk of not finishing his term. That would make Palin the President. There is not a single honest soul out there that can truly say that they feel comfortable with Palin as President. We are talking about the most demanding and critical job in the world, not moose hunting, soccer momming, or PTAing, we are talking about handing over the entire nuclear arsenal of our country to this nitwit. Give me a break, this defies every micro element of common and rational sense. I’d trust Bush more than I would trust her judgement.

Is Obama really a Marxist/Socialist?
Is the Constitution “flawed” as Obama seems to believe?
Why have ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS not played this audio on their news shows and let the people decide what he means?
No commentary! No spin!. Just let Obama’s words be heard and let the voters decide.

Sheryl: ** muslims live in America too. How come its okay we went into the wrong country looking for weapons of mass destruction.. never found them but we are still spending 10 billion dollars a month there… tell me how thats fair?
Because you dont understand the facts Sheryl. In the first gulf war Iraq was caught with stockpiles of wmd’s. Years of cleanup took place. Then Clinton took power, it became clear he would not stand up to Saddam’s wmd programs so Saddam refused entry to inspectors, this was itself justification for the USA to be at war with Iraq again. By 1998 Clinton withdrew the inspectors because they were killed/beaten and threatened by Saddam’s regime.
Thank God that GW Bush won in 2000, after the attack of 9/11 things changed and with Saddam still spending billions of dollars from illegally selling oil he invested in wmd programs. Bush took action and got United Nations resolution 1441 passed which said Saddam MUST prove he stopped illegal wmd programs or face war.
The deadline was December 2002, and on the day, Saddam had a newsconference, a table covered with binders stuffed with pages of something, with the title full and complete proof of Iraqs compliance with UN resolution 1441.
In the days that followed the pages were analyzed and found to be junk paper stuffed in there. In other words a blatant refusal and demand for war by Saddam.
the THEN Secy of State Colin Powell made the case to delay enforcement and try peace talks while terrorists moved the stockpiles of wmds from Iraq into Syria and ? It was most likely Colin Powell who wanted Iraq to be cleaned up so the stockpiles wouldnt be found.
It wasnt until March 2003 that the USA and our Allies invaded Iraq. Some wmd’s were found but they were old, while Dr. Germ was found the liberal press said so what? So despite the proof the democrats concealed the facts and have been anti American to make this war appear to be a failure.
Apparently much of the early failures in the war are because of Colin Powell whose interest is clearly with the Islamic world, he ran defense for them.
Iraq is a central point of global terrorism, of extremist Islamic terror cells who announce their intentions of destroying Israel and the USA and any non extremist Muslims.
How you democrats can take sides with the enemy(s) of the United States is incredible. Anytime proof comes along? you guys hide it.
Now Obama will probably want to apologize for the US’s involvement in the war and give special status to any Muslim, a million dollars, instant US citizenship and exemption from all US taxes, a free business, etc. Thats how Obama looks to me. does this answer your question?

Yo ‘Paint VA Blue’ here’s the full quote, with page number indicated, should you feel the inclination to talk substantively about Obama is as follows: Actual quote from “The Audacity of Hope” [pg. 261]: “Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”

Yo ‘Paint VA Blue’ here’s the full quote, with page number indicated, should you feel the inclination to talk substantively about Obama is as follows: Actual quote from “The Audacity of Hope” [pg. 261]: “Of course, not all my conversations in immigrant communities follow this easy pattern. In the wake of 9/11, my meetings with Arab and Pakistani Americans, for example, have a more urgent quality, for the stories of detentions and FBI questioning and hard stares from neighbors have shaken their sense of security and belonging. They have been reminded that the history of immigration in this country has a dark underbelly; they need specific assurances that their citizenship really means something, that America has learned the right lessons from the Japanese internments during World War II, and that I will stand with them should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.”
Posted by: Denise | Oct 27, 2008 4:30:52 PM
** Is this going to fix the economy? Will this fix health care?

Say pefros,
Landslide? You can prolly just stay home

Illinois: They are all crooked and it makes me sick that anyone can not see through Obama. He killed this great state with the help of his Democrat and radical friends!!!!!
Yes, thats the feeling I have and so many others do too. Its not that Obama is derided because he is the democrat candidate, but because of who he is in reality. If it were Hillary? then we wouldnt be talking about ties to terrorists or radical Black extremist groups or local terrorists like Bill Ayers or whether Obama was born in Indonesia and not eligible at all;
If it were Hillary and she had won? I think many more folks could say well we lived thru the Clinton years before, it was bad but we made it…
with Obama? who is this guy? He has been lifted up from job to job by someone in a position of power who just said okay, lets put Obama into the job and see how he does. And then all the secrecy about Marxism? Bill Ayers, etc?
How can anyone with common sense not be worried about who Obama is and where that secret group of PRO Islamic radical extremists will take America???

“WHAT SHE LACKS, MOSTLY, IS THE SHEEN OF CORRUPTION THAT WE’VE BECOME SO USED TO OBSERVING IN D.C.”
Let’s see,
Abuses power to settle family disputes? Check.
Charges Alaska for her children’s airfare and hotel rooms even though they are not there for official states business? Check.
Amend expense forms to claim children were invited or there on official business to contravene the law says compesantion is only for official state business? Check.
Reward supporters, friends and cronies with cushy state jobs and contracts? Check.
Collect a per diem meant for business travel when she stayed at home? Check.
Palin seems to know the corruption game a great deal better than most DC denizens.
Bill, I suggest you stop ogling fake Palin bikini photos and actually look at her record.

Why is McCain “building” his argument on things he is now just raising for the first time? Because when the Titanic goes down, you grab ahold of anything, ANYTHING, that looks like it might float, even for just a few minutes. McCain/Palin. Desperate. Sinking Fast. Gone. Get used to President Obama. Sounds five zillion times better than, I still can’t get myself to say it and have never said it, P_ _ _ _ _ Bush.

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* Here you go w/ this lying.. i watched the debates and heard Obama talk about equal work for equal pay… McCain didn’t even use the words middle or working class in one of the debates.. it clearly shows who he’s fighting for!
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LOL….God knows Obama NEVER lies….like when he promised to take public funding….
What he said is not relevant….The salaries paid ARE!
But hey….don’t let the facts warp your vision son

Breaking News.
WASHINGTON — Alaska Republican Sen. Ted Stevens was convicted of seven corruption charges Monday.”
Yet another example of the righteousness of the Republican approach. Bush, Cheney, McCain, Stevens, etc. Bah! Greedy hypocrites.
Adios Republicans. 8 years of Republicans was enough.
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Well, I wonder when Charlie Rangel’s case will come up???

“What he said is not relevant….The salaries paid ARE!
But hey….don’t let the facts warp your vision son”
yes salaries paid for equal work.
Averaging the salary by gender for an office with varied positions gives you a bogus statistic.
Something right wingers love because its a lie that sounds official.

“* Mike no one cares about public funding when out economy is in shambles. The reason why McCain is not leading in the polls is because you conservatives keep talking about stuff the American people don’t care about. You and your party are just mad because you are losing and you took 84 million… make it work! ”
See…thats just like a liberal….A lie is not lie, when I say its not a lie!

I was thinking that this would be McCain’s “October Surprise” but then I saw McCain saying almost exactly the same thing eight years ago on Chris Matthew’s Hardball (Tom Brokaw brought it up in yesterday’s Meet the Press interview). Then it suddenly made sense – both McCain and his running mate are really robots that are programmed to reverse their positions and others, in an attempt to confuse the voters. That’s right – they’re Palindrones…the full expose could be found here:

Bradz1234,
You posted:
“If it were Hillary and she had won? I think many more folks could say well we lived thru the Clinton years before, it was bad but we made it…
with Obama? who is this guy? He has been lifted up from job to job by someone in a position of power who just said okay, lets put Obama into the job and see how he does. And then all the secrecy about Marxism? Bill Ayers, etc?”
Yeah right! If it were Hillary, you’ld be back to accusing her of murding business partners, shady land deals, consorting with terrorists, meeting with the brutal dictator of Peru, Pinochet, in the 90′s (oh wait, that was McCain), trying to enact a socialist health care system, etc.

God Bless America , the land of the once free !{{ “But,” Obama said, “The Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society.”}} — Obama = Socialism and government dictatorship ( Putin , Chavez , Castro , etc… Everything has a starting point . I wonder if Obama will actually change the Presidential seal to the one he was displaying during the primaries – while he and the DNC were destroying Senator Clinton ?). Obama and the liberal Democrats will Amend the Constitution to ensure that wealth is distributed equally among the people. This group: Senator Obama , Senator Biden , Harry Reid (Democratic Senate Majority Leader) and Nancy Pelosi (Democratic Speaker of the House) . These liberal Democrats see themselves as :THE NEW AMERICAN “FOUNDING FATHER’S”. THEIR MOTTO WILL BE : POLITICAL POWER OVER THE PEOPLE – VERSE – PRINCIPLED LEADERSHIP FOR THE PEOPLE. It’s not over yet Obama supporter’s, check the polls . Half of the Americans disagree with Socialism and wealth distribution . Half the American people still believe — that we the people (the middle class taxpayers / ever tax payer) should have control over the politicians in Congress who are suppose to represent us and responsibly spend our tax dollars. This is the worse Congress ever ! Lower approval rating then Bush . Bush might sign the legislation, but the liberal Democratic Controlled Congress is the one writing it and destroying our great democracy (the founding father’s are surely weeping – and the rest of the world is laughing ) . Half of the American people are voting for McCain, because the majority of us Americans believe, that government should be there to help us when we fall on hard times but America/Americans should not have government dictating their way of life. Obama Presidency = continuous wall street bail outs , bank bail outs, and whoever else needs bailing out by government (get ready for Big Government) . The “bail-out” excuse and fear tactics will remain the same – “ we must immediately act or Economy : Foreign and Domestic will crash” . FEAR, FEAR, FEAR . Obama will be the demise of America and our “super power” status. Another thing : Remember Obama talking about College education in turn for community service or military service ? Ever wonder how that will work, how much work is there to do in your community – my community has volunteers who help the needy , police , Emt’s , boy scouts , girl scouts, and so on ? What till Obama’s tested (per biden) ; reinstate the draft ,because nobody wants to voluntarily sign on the dotted line for this Liberal Democratic Controlled Congress – who has repeatedly jeopardized the safety of our Armed Forces. A disgusted Independent !

“She cant be a proper mother and be VP”
I can’t comment on her qualifications as a mother.
As a VP candidates, she has shown she has neither the intellect nor temperment required for the job. A job where she still has no idea what the duties entail.

SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS A REALLY BAD IDEA.
Bill Posted:
THE WEALTHIEST PEOPLE OF THE WORLD COME HERE FOR A REASON TO GET THEIR SURGERIES DONE. ITS BECAUSE OUR STUFF WORKS. IT WORKS BECAUSE GOV’T IS NOT INVOLVED. THE LINES TO GET A FLU SHOT IN LONDON TAKE A WHOLE DAY OF VACATION. FOR GOD’S SAKE, LETS NOT FREDDIE-MAC THE DOCS.
Yeah Bill,
They do come here. Great except what about the 47 million Americans who dont have access to it? Why do favor rich foreigners over your fellow Americans? Arent you a Patriot? Dont you believe in the Declaration of Independence? You know the part about “Life, Liberty an the pursuit of Happiness” which are kind of hard to justify if you dont have access to medical care like the 47 million men, women and children you seem to care so little about.

Obama ought to spread some of HIS wealth to that brother living on the streets in Kenya before he comes after the rest of us.
Where did he spread his wealth by the way? Rev. Wright.
Enough said.

“”She cant be a proper mother and be VP”
I can’t comment on her qualifications as a mother.
As a VP candidates, she has shown she has neither the intellect nor temperment required for the job. A job where she still has no idea what the duties entail.
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LOL….and Barrack “I have never run anything” Obama knows what to do…PLEASE…PElosi & Reid are going to have him sitting at the Kids table in the corner of the white house. He does what he is told…period. It been his entire political history. I cant wait to see him have the US vote PRESENT on some UN Sanction. Maybe you should check out the interview on ESPN’s web site of Michelle Obama’s brother. He is now the HeadCoach at Oregon or Oregon ST. In that interview, you see how her brother had to convince her that it was good idea for Barrack to run for the presidency. EVEN MICHELLE DIDNT THINK IT WAS GOOD IDEA SINCE THEY HAD NOT EVEN RECOVERED FROM THE SENATE RACE!!!!!
OH YEAH….he is really qualified…..

You all get scared by the NOUNS that are used by the heads of the Matrix. Socialism, communism, liberal, left wing, world peace, third world, etc. They have us frightened and depending on the desired effect they want to affect, they throw certain words at us and petrify us into voting Republican. Actually both the Democrats and Republicans are guilty of this tactic/ploy, but given that Obama has much more intellect and is more patient than McCain, and given that our world can’t stand another 4 years of ANY REPUBLICAN even one who claims to be a maverick :-) we MUST SUPPORT OBAMA. There’s no if or and about it!!!

There is no better choice than Mc Cain, Obama is a smart educated man, i won’t deny that, but his ideas are so much alike to the one of Hugo chAVEZ of Venezuela….if you could understand spanish you would see they are very alike….all socialists are….sorry.

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DUDE!
The woman has 25000 employees! She was airlifted without notice out of the executive’s office of a state 1/2 the size of the lower 48! what do you want? Someone like Biden?
Posted by: Bill
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Bill,
They truely would rather be comforted by Joe “what incredibly stupid thing can I saw into a microphone today” Biden.
I mean can you imagine how many foreign leaders this guy is going to insult if he comes VP? One thing is for sure, SNL is going to have field day with him.
Have they done a skit yet with their “Biden” siting down watching an old B&W TV with FDR on it and a 1929 Calendar on the wall ?

“Two men have been charged for making threats against Barack Obama after federal agents say they broke up a skinhead plot to assassinate the U.S. presidential candidate and decapitate more than 100 black people
Federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school by two skinheads in court records unsealed Monday.
Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tennessee and Paul Schlesselman, 18, of West Helena, Arkansas were charged last Friday.”

McCain looking for dirt as sieve through Obama’s garbage and found an interview 7 years ago to quote out of context.

To me, John McCain does not look well physically, mentally or emotionally.
He looked dreadful during some of the debates – off balance and almost unhinged at times.
I will not be putting any of my fate into his hands.
And Sarah Palin has revealed herself as basically a soap opera character with little depth of intellect and a very one-dimensional, almost cartoon view of the world stage.
Again, I would not put any of my fate in her hands.
It’s a pathetic Republican ticket.
8 years of Republicans was enough. The electorate will be rightfully booting the Republicans out of office.
Landslide Democratic win despite all the attempt to use smear tactics during the next few days.

“There is no better choice than Mc Cain, Obama is a smart educated man, i won’t deny that, but his ideas are so much alike to the one of Hugo chAVEZ of Venezuela….if you could understand spanish you would see they are very alike….all socialists are….sorry.”
RIGHT ON GABBY. SURELY NOONE THOUGHT ANY OF THIS NONSENSE WAS ORIGINAL. THAT’S WHERE IT CAME FROM OF COURSE. BEEN TO CARACAS LATELY? THAT’S WHERE WE’RE HEADED. HE WANTS CHICAGO AND NEW YORK TO LOOK LIKE THAT.

If John McCain had a brother living in a box (like Obama) and Cindy McCain spent $500 on a lobster lunch at the Waldorf like Michelle, we would NEVER hear the end of it.
And what a surprise, as soon as the big lunch bill got into the press, they decided to go 24/7 on Palin’s wardrobe. Talk about distractions.

Actually it seems more like . ..
McCain = Cheney

McCain = American VALUES.
Warts and all, its WAAAAAY better than any other value set on the face of the earth. Ever.

“and we will change the course of America”
Caracas, here we come!

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not. – Thomas Jefferson

right, don’t hear much about ‘democracy’ in Venezuela or Cuba these days, huh.

“Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said. “Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with Obama’s economic plan or his plan to give the middle class a tax cut. It’s just another distraction from an increasingly desperate McCain campaign.”
LOL! Now that’s really reaching. Apparently Mr. Burton did not listen to the interview.

Bill try to educate yourself. Venezuela is a democracy. Chavez can be voted out – just like the Republicans are about to be voted out.
McCain = Cheney but less emotionally stable, very dangerous and you know it.

ljc,
It’s like obama’s correcting Biden and saying ‘what he meant to say was that ANY new president would be tested’ after Biden had specifically said ‘just like Kennedy, who was also young and inexperienced’.
It’s HYPER-SPIN.

A clarification on Socialism vs. Communism, since many apparently don’t know: Socialism is a state wherein the STATE OWNS THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION (health-care, banking, energy, education, transportation), and the degree to which a State owns and controls such considerable sectors of an economy, to that degree it is Socialist. Communism by contrast is a state wherein the people jointly own all property. In both the idea of Private property is abolished. Marx wrote that for society to realize “Communism”, it must first embrace Socialism. The problem is A) that Communism is not attainable, and B) that once the state gains political power, it is very reluctant to give it back.Utopia is impossible. One person’s displeasure contradicts Utopia. One person’s quest to call a thing his own (essentially human nature) stymies any realization of Communism. The Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, Franco’s Spain, and Mussolini’s Italy are all examples of Socialism. Europe is partially socialistic. And Europe’s socialism depends on the USA’s willingness to keep the world safe. If Europe was forced by necessity to pay for it’s defense, their health care would end abruptly. I know, you’ll say… but Bush bailed out the banks! Yes, that’s very unfortunate, and I hope with all hope that that policy is reversed quam primum. Obama wants to move toward that model. His record is very clear. The Big O is a Marxist/Socialist. Period.

Bill (a poster here) mentions Venezuela. Bill is working to frighten people. The scare tactics won’t work Bill. No disrespect to those Republicans who will vote for Obama, but I’m so annoyed at the established Republican machine (and Democratic machine) that allowed America to go down hill. Obama and McCain are both partly guilty of following the political crowd, but if we want any chance of changing course, OBAMA is the ONLY present Option (with all the Inde choices out of the minds of voters.)

ted in pdx:
They just said on 60 minutes last nite that the CDS gambling (naked shorts on mortgage bundles) was legalized under Clinton/Greenspan.
I don’t pretend to know much about it, but that’s what they said. And we all know who CBS is pulling for.

The War On Terror? What a sad joke. If we would do more constructive dialog and find out what the anger is about we’d be more intelligent. Dropping bombs on villages, and spending trillions is a losing affair as clearly shown by the airplane incident. The only way to deal with aggressive behavior today is to communicate. Interestingly why is it that 99% of our military aggression is in areas that have oil, strategic position or have foreigners of certain religious backgrounds. Don’t see us democratizing Haitin, Arabia, etc. Come on we do Trillions in business with China but in America we claim that they are bad buys. We complain about Saudi Arabia but have deals with them for oil.
To Poster ted in pdx, thanks for your frankness. We may not agree on everything but at the core, we’re brothers my brother. It’s not about the party but about the principles!!!

then google “chavez, speeches”
You’ll get my drift.

“What good would it be to “insure” those 47 million people (20 of which are illegal aliens BTW) when the so-called insurance plan may be worse than the sickness itself??? ”
Because people without insurance go to the emergency room when they need medical assistance. Emergency room care costs a great deal more than standard care and the resulting overcrowding leads to people with real emergencies having to wait.

Obama says he’s going to simply mandate that everyone’s insurance premiums are reduced by $2,500 per year. How’s that gonna work out? He isn’t dealing with the same insurance people that I’m dealing with. He says he’s going to do it by mandatory preventive care. Hmmm.

my politics are that the gov’t should DEFINITELY not be involved in health care. AT ALL! Its about the only industry we have here that is still viable.

Your government is already involved in health care Bill. Educate yourself.

Dear Leader you don’t judge a health care system on the comments of ‘one or two people you do business with’.
The vast majority of Canadians are very proud of their universal health care system and listed keeping the system healthy as one of their primary concerns in recent elections there.
Is it perfect? Almost. Is everybody covered? Yes. Do you get treatment and coverage if you have cancer? Yes.
And by the way, almost everybody blindly bitches about taxes – however surveys show people in Canada are glad to pay their share of taxes to keep their medical system intact. They’re very proud of their system.
Are Americans proud of theirs? Both McCain and Obama want to change it – because it is a failure; people are going bankrupt paying medical bills.

So let us be clear on this point. Obama says that activist judges are not the answer, and the right wing is going to criticize him for that.
Riiiiiiight….

MDO,
Thank you for shooting down Randy’s offensive statement, “He fought accusations of carpetbagging with the same washed-up pitiful POW stories.”
As you noted, McCain is no more a ‘carpetbagger’ in Arizona than Obama in Chicago or Hillary in NY. And given how long ago he settled in Arizona, I hardly think that current Arizonans see him as an outsider, or that they will not turn out to put Arizona in his column on Nov. 4.

What tax cuts. When you increase taxes on corporations they increase the price of their products or services or reduce benifits or lay off employees. We all will end up paying for it. Obama tax increases are targeted at the small owners the people with less clout. By the way we all will get an increase when the dems roll Bushs tax cut back on top of what Obama wants.
Good Luck every one we have a long road in frount of us because Washington can not support it programs now.

“The majority of Americans (the ones footing the bills in this Country) do not want “wealth distribution” ”
You are mistaken. The majority are enraged that the top 1% keeps rupping off society.

Quote: ” Burton said. “Make no mistake, this has nothing to do with Obama’s economic plan or his plan to give the middle class a tax cut. It’s just another distraction from an increasingly desperate McCain campaign.”
Yes it does … perhap some of the details and approach because of the current ecconomic crisis… But the basic underlying socialist philosophy is the same….what he said then is apart of his foundational belief system.
and he and his team is trying very hard to play that down… it is hard to dispute words that came out of his own mouth ….he basicly answered the hard ball question that Biden was upset over… the reporters question sounded fair to me … the Voters deserve clear cut answers from the candidates…
If you believe in socialism Vote Obama …If you don’t Vote McCain ….. But Obama needs to stop beating around the Bush and own up to the philosphy he espouses – the voter deserves to know

Goodbye McCain. The GOP Republicans must be saddened by your decline!

John McCain – Stuck in the past and unfit to lead in the 21st Century.

Louis Farrakhan does not call Obama “the Messiah” for nothing :)
Aka Joe Biden: GIRD YOUR LOINS!

“but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.”
I should hope not!
Government can’t do things on your behalf.
They can only force other people to do it.

recent poll steve-80 some % said they want ECONOMIC GROWTH not Spread the wealth And what company do you know that doesn’t pass on to consumers an increase when their taxes go up? Get your facts straight!

recent poll steve-80 some % said they want ECONOMIC GROWTH not Spread the wealth And what company do you know that doesn’t pass on to consumers an increase when their taxes go up? Get your facts straight!
Posted by: SueG | Oct 27, 2008 11:38:06 PM
ECONOMIC GROWTH is linked to to JOB CREATION. It has nothing to do with the false interpretation of spreading the wealth.

Anyone know how many corporations actually pay taxes? You might want to look that up. Also, you might look up how much tax revenue they contribute to the economy under consistently disastrous republican economic policies. Even Greenspan now admits that corporations don’t appear to act in their own self survival interest. It’s clear they have been more focused on short term greed. You might also look up the party affiliation of most corporate lobbyists after the last 8 years of republican control of ALL 3 BRANCHES of government (I’ll grant 2 years of democratic control in the last 8, and nothing has come of that).
WHAT’s ALL THIS TALK ABOUT REDISTRIBUTION? The republican plan for redistribution of wealth has been consistently this: 1)Limit funding of education of any kind and limit any action directed towards education of consumers (I’ll grant Bush gave the appearance of doing something in this area, but, not typically part of the repuplican platform calling for privitization of education). 2)Limit any oversight over corporations that sell to consumers or play signifcant roles in our economy. 3)Call for the so called “ownership society” where all consumers make their own investment decisions, medical decisions, home purchases, etc., etc. all while holding down full time jobs and caring for their families(i.e. consumers need to become their own doctors, real estate experts, legal experts, stock market experts, safety experts, etc.)Republicans and corporations have worked together to ensure all Americans make all of those decisions with very little information (tranparency). 4)Promote the consolidation of corporations into larger, more economically powerful corporations and limit the choices consumers have when buying or getting assistance with the transactions in #3. 5)Expand the power of corporate lobbyists to influence congress.
To summarize: Expand the rights of large corporations (not mom-and-pop businesses) to slowly suck the wallets of Americans dry so that they can pay their lobbyists and CEOs huges bonuses, so that those lobbyists and CEOs can continue to pump huge amounts of money into the Republican party. THEY ARE THE ELITES!!! VOTE FOR THEM AND GET THE REDISTRIBUTION PLAN THAT IS BEING HIGHLIGHTED BY TODAY’s EVENTS. In other words, privatize income and wealth building by the richest individuals and largest corporations and then SOCIALIZE the losses of the wealthy and large corporations!

So Obama thinks Supreme court should be involved in wealth distribution.
Is Obama running for US or North korean presidency?

In the new capital of the US (chicago), lets order Michelle another bucket of Iranian Caviar, a couple lobsters, then bring out the Dom, Kick back, and round up some conservatives for the evenings festivities with the Big Catz at soldiers field. We like the new flag too and the most deluxe national anthem that Dr. Ayers has written for us. Bill is now the second lady what with the recent National Gay Marriage laws and a more civilized version of Islam. Dr. Obama has fullfilled his promise that we won’t have to endure another election like the last, constitution suspended – I mean only lawyers ever read the thing anyway.
INFIDEL>

Hopefully Obama will win. The we’ll see a stop to the Republican wealth redistribution to the rich, welfare for corporations, and the “pro-life” killing of innocent people in unprovoked wars.

A lot of really confused citizens fighting for false hope that a single person will change the way the country is ran. Everyone blaming Bush/Cheaney for this and that should remember that per the Constitution it is the Congress that passes all financial decisions. You remember, the 6% approval rated Democratic-lead Congress? Get your blame on the correct Jack-###!

As long as John McCain is replaying a 2001 radio clip, let’s talk about 2001 and 2002.
John McCain voted against the Bush tax cuts because he felt that it would be a redistribution of wealth to the richest in America, and that they shouldn’t mind paying when they are comfortable and when America has given them so much. How scary is that? Time to put a skillet on our head and take to the streets screaming the sky is falling.
In 2001 Colin Powell said that Saddam Hussein was contained. In 2002 John McCain said that Iraq could never be contained. That Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, was a clear and present danger, that further UN weapons inspections and diplomacy were a waste of time, and that we should invade Iraq immediately. That the Iraq war would be fast, easy, cheap, and we’d lose few troops. That we would find weapons of mass destruction. That we’d be greeted as liberators. That Sunni and Shiite got along fine. Any further delay in attacking Iraq was just a waste of time.
Yeah John, a waste of time. Tell that to the more than 4000 American troops who you recklessly sent to their deaths. A lot of Senators didn’t vote for that authorization to be used as a rush to war with Iraq – but you did. On this you were no maverick – you were George W Bush’s smiling Siamese Twin.
You might think you can run away from President Bush, and at your convention from your own party, but you can’t run away from yourself. Our economy and our troops are still bleeding in Iraq thanks to you. We are now less able to respond to an international crisis thanks to you. Afghanistan is getting worse thanks to you. I can see why you don’t want to look backwards when it comes to Iraq but want to distort a 2001 radio clip on civil rights. If I made those wrong judgments you made and sent thousands of Americans to their deaths and wounded tens of thousands more, I might not want to look either.

David, you are spot on! I have been screaming about the fact you expressed in your post. No president does anything in a vacuum. Regardless of who is elected, he will not have all power to put his plans or ideas into effect. All the people who think that an adminstration under Senator Obama will be a winfall for African Americans is smoking some primo weed! Additionally, an administration un Senator McCain won’t be the end of life as we know it either. CHECKS AND BALANCES PEOPLE!!!!!However, should McCain happen to die in office….. A Palin presidency makes me light headed, to say the least. Too many people have no idea how our federal gov’t actually runs and it is sad.

All the problems we are facing now started when the Democrats took over control of Congress in 2006. Look what has happened since then:
- the stock market has collapsed.
- the housing market has collapsed.
- oil and gas prices have skyrocketed.
- the budget deficit has soared.
- the government has taken over private banks.
Vote for Obama at your own risk. You have been warned.

What’s strange is that Obama hasn’t backed off his redistribution comments that he made to Joe the Plumber. So why is his campaign so defensive about this 2001 audio, since all it does is continue to affirm what Obama himself is already affirming? Probably because they’re worried that people are going to start seeing his tax plan for what it really is. Someone here mentioned the progressive tax. No, that’s not socialism now, but it will be when Obama hands out welfare to people who are little, if any, taxes at all. That’s redistribution of the wealth, plain and simple. Don’t take my word for it, just check out the Obama-Biden Tax Calculator on the campaign’s site. Punch in $20,000 for a married couple filing jointly. The calculator says their tax “savings” is $1,000. But if you were to figure such a couple’s federal taxable income, the standard 2007 deduction would take it from $20,000 down to $9,300. Next subtract $6,800 for the couple’s two exemptions, which leaves them with only $2,500 in taxable income. This would mean they owe $251 in taxes. So how exactly do they “save” $1,000 – by getting a welfare check apparently. No other way to do it. This is not a lower percentage on the progressive income tax scale. This is a handout. An undeniable handout. Socialism 101.

The fundamental difference between the two sides taken on this issue is drawn on the ability to comprehend. In other words, McCain supporters need to learn how to read. They need to learn how to listen. They need to learn about context and to stop hearing what they want to hear.
Pay attention. The young Obama recognizes the limits of the courts and legislation in bringing about re-distributive change. These limits are governmental and administrative. In other words, those at the top will not be able to bring about effective change, only We the People.
Don’t be fooled by conservative spin. Obama actually upholds the the ideas of the founding fathers and the constitutional principle of negative freedom which “doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf.” In other words the principle of negative freedom “says what the states can’t do to you, says what the federal government can’t do to you.” The government is the responsible protectorate and recognizer of civil rights, “formal rights in previously dispossessed peoples, so that I would now have the right to vote, I would now be able to sit at a lunch counter.”
Obama is standing up for the constitutional principle. He is NOT standing up for administrative re-distribution of wealth which falls under the category: “government must do on your behalf.” If it still seems unclear to you, he goes even further stating in stating his belief that administrations can only do so much for the civil rights movement; that gears of change are not found within the government.
“I think that there was a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about re-distributive change, and in some ways, we still stuffer from that.”
Obama is a community organizer at heart and in this vein he is similar to do-it-yourself conservatives who believe that We the People must bring about the change we want in our lives. We the people, the constituency, NOT THE GOVERNMENT, can become the coalitions of power and the re-distributors of wealth if we decide to take action. A church, or even a diocese exemplify what Obama is talking about. I’m pretty sure most conservatives can get behind that. In fact I listen to Glenn Beck every morning and I’ve heard him say very similar things.
A side note: Obama’s context is clearly the “successes and failures” of the civil rights movement; is 2001 when he was a state senator much closer to the grassroot elements of our country. In 2008, he is working on the Federal level. So how does his present context relate to that isolated past? How much has he grown in 7 years?

Wow liberals blaming REpublicans for ruining the economy!
WASN’T IT THE DEMOCRATS WITH THE COMMUNITY REINVESTMENT ACT ALLOWED SUBPRIME MORTGAGES TO GIVE LOANS TO POOR THAT CAN’T AFFORD TO PAY IT BACK!
ALSO CORPORATIONS DON’T PAY TAXES, THEY EITHER RAISE THEIR PRICES OR PASS THE TAX TO THEIR EMPLOYEES!
WOULD YOU WANT NANCY PELOSI, HARRY REID, CHRIS DODD, AND PRESIDENT OBAMA WHO ARE LIBERALS RUINING THE COUNTRY!
LIBERALS WITHOUT CHECKS AND BALANCES!

This is terribe. Why does the Media continue to lie and cover up for this Socialist. I hope the American people realise that this is the change Obama wants for America.

Another thing to fools who keep attacking Republicans for being stupid your the ones being stupid your arguments are heavily flawed when you attack them in this way. The tactic you use is called Personal Attack Ad Hominem. Instead of explaining what Obama says in a way you think he did you attack the person making the opposite claim. It’s the easiest way to lose in a debate and so I believe you should try to use some more logic than just ” Republicans need racist idiots” in essence it justs shows how biased and ideological you are. Oh and don’t try to explain Obama’s words away with cognitive dissidence. Assess the claims Obama makes and tell us what you think thats it. Also from listening to the people on the board they seem to lean left a bit thats just my opinion though.

Obama’s campaign spokesman is spinning what he said. Obama first said that the civil rights movement succeeded in securing those “negative liberties” that the founding fathers defined in the Constitution. Then he says that, tragically, the civil rights movement depended on the courts not for just securing those “negative liberties,” but also for bringing about “redistributive change.” However, he says, that was a mistake because the Warren Court “didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution,” but he also qualifies that by adding “at least as it’s been interpreted” (meaning that possibly one could determine that there aren’t such “essential constraints,” as has been believed since the founding fathers wrote it, in order to “break free of them”). As Obama says, the Warren Court wasn’t as “radical” as people say, but held the commonly accepted view that the Constitution only says what the government can’t do to you, not what it “must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted.” And because the Warren Court didn’t budge from that view, the civil rights movement, which looked to the courts for “redistributive change,” didn’t get that change. And its mistaken focus on the courts for redistributive change created “a tendency to lose track of the political and community organizing activities on the ground that are able to put together the actual coalitions of power through which you bring about redistributive change, and in some ways, we still stuffer from that.” In other words, organizing “coalitions of power” – voters – at the grassroots level would bring “redistributive change” through legislation, not the courts. As he says, “Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor. I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.”
Obama’s hinting here that there might be another way of interpreting the Constitution, which doesn’t view the Constitution as having “essential constraints” that limit it to protecting “negative liberties,” seems to parallel a liberal conference on the Constitution held at Yale in 2005 called, “The Constitution in 2020.” It seems to discuss going beyond the Constitution’s limit of protecting “negative liberties” and get into the area of a Constitution that says what the government “must do on your behalf.”