Mountain Mama! Biden blows into West Virginia
ABC News’ Matthew Jaffe Reports: Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., Friday swept into West Virginia, the first stop the Democratic ticket has made in the Mountain State.
“We plan on competing right to the very end for every single vote here in this state,” proclaimed the Democratic vice-presidential nominee in a fiery address at a downtown Charleston plaza, blasting Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, for tying Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to President Bush in a statement on the nation’s struggling economy.
“Yesterday, literally, John McCain actually went so far as to compare Barack Obama with George W. Bush,” Biden said. “As my granddaughter Finnegan would say, ‘Hello?!’ You know what’s going on here? You know, so now John McCain is attacking the Bush budget and Bush fiscal policies, which he voted for, I might add. But folks, this is as crazy as, you know, Butch Cassidy attacking the Sundance Kid!”
“I mean, that’s a team,” Biden pointed out. “These guys have been a team. You know, they were in this together, they’ve been in this together. They’ve been, as my father would say, they’ve been joined at the hip.”
“Look, I know Halloween is coming, but John McCain is a candidate of change?” Biden asked incredulously moments later. “Whoa! Come on! John McCain and change? He needs a costume for that.”
Ten days ago in St. Clairsville, Ohio, despite McCain still leading West Virginia in the polls, Biden guaranteed a Democratic victory in the Mountain State, which would be their first since 1996.
“Which way is West ‘By God’ Virginia?” Biden asked the Buckeye State crowd. “That way? That way? Well, I want to send a message to West Virginia. We’re going to win in West Virginia. Hello West Virginia! We’re going to shock the living devil out of you all!”
Today in Charleston, an animated Biden appealed to voters by vigorously stating his support of clean coal, consistenly tying McCain to Bush, and lambasting Republican robo-calls linking Obama to former 60s terrorist William Ayers.
“We have to end this politics of division and divisiveness,” Biden demanded. “End the scurrilous phone calls that are being paid for by the McCain campaign questioning Barack Obama’s patriotism, questioning his character. Enough is enough is enough!”
The six-term senator outlined the story of Chaylee Cole, who lost her job at a call center after refusing to place these robo-calls.
“I want to read part of what Chaylee said when she was interviewed after she was fired,” Biden said of the Fairmont State University student, who attended today’s event. “She said, ‘Democrat or Republican, I wouldn’t have done this.’ End of quote. Ladies and gentlemen, Chaylee recognized that regardless of your personal politics, attacks like that, attacks like that are out of bounds.”
“Barack Obama has a spine of steel,” Biden added just afterwards. “He can take these attacks for 12 more days, but our country can’t take four more years of this divisive politics.”
With a deepened voice and mocking tone, Biden imitated the Republican ticket’s on-stage banter.
“John McCain and Gov. Sarah Palin, when they get on stage, I love to watch ‘em,” Biden said. “They get on, they say, they start, ‘I’m a maverick.’ ‘No, you’re a maverick. ‘We’re maverick.’ ‘We’re all maverick.’ Right?”
“Well, a good friend in the neighboring state of Pennsylvania is a guy named Bob Casey, a good friend of ours from my hometown of Scranton. And to paraphrase Bobby Casey, Sen. Casey, he said, ‘You know, you can’t call yourself a maverick when all you’ve been the last eight years is a sidekick.’ Well, all of a sudden they’re trying to get off this horse. You know, and the horse you rode in on. Well, they rode in on Bush’s horse and they’re continuing to feed it.”
Upon his arrival in Charleston Thursday night, Biden greeted about a half dozen members of the United Mine Workers of America and, in his address today, the Delaware lawmaker continued an ongoing back-and-forth battle with the GOP ticket over clean coal.
Biden, of course, has been roundly criticized by his Republican rivals for remarks he made on clean coal last month on an Ohio ropeline.
“We’re not supporting clean coal,” Biden said in Maumee, Ohio. “Guess what? China is building two every week, two dirty coal plants. And it’s polluting the United States, it’s causing people to die.”
“China’s gonna burn 300 years of bad coal unless we figure out how to clean their coal up because it’s gonna ruin your lungs and there’s nothing we can do about it,” he said. “No coal plants here in America! Build ‘em, if they’re gonna build ‘em, over there and make ‘em clean because they’re killing ya.”
But as he has done since then, Biden emphasized to supporters that he backs clean coal.
“Let me get something straight because you watch these McCain ads you wonder, what planet are they coming from?” Biden said. “Ladies and gentlemen, John McCain does not believe that clean coal is part of our future. Don’t take my word for it, take his word for it. Here’s what he said, quote, ‘In a perfect world, we’d like to transition away from clean coal entirely.’ Now that does not sound like a guy who’s attacking us saying we’re not for clean coal, and now, and now to reinforce that, look at his plan, look at where he wants to invest. The oil companies are already getting a $30 billion tax cut over the next ten years and what does John McCain want to do and Sarah Palin? He wants to give them an extra $4 billion a year in additional tax cuts.”
“So John, if you’re listening, stop this malarkey about who’s for clean coal!” Biden bellowed. “Ladies and gentlemen, make no mistake about it, the oil companies have placed their bets on Sarah Palin and John McCain, not on Barack Obama and Joe Biden. That’s why Appalachia can’t afford to go with McCain and must go with Obama!”
Biden was introduced this morning by West Virginia lawmakers Gov. Joe Manchin, Sen. Jay Rockefeller and Sen. Robert Byrd.
The 90-year old Byrd, president pro tempore of the Senate, slipped up, cheering on Biden as “the next president," but got the crowd cheering with a fist-pumping testament to his colleague’s character.
“I’ve known him for nearly four decades,” Byrd said of Biden. “And in his heart, in his beliefs, and in his life story, he is a West Virginian!”
In return, Biden said that “to learn the ways of the Senate from Bob Byrd is like getting a trumpet lesson from the angel Gabriel.”
Rockefeller, on his part, said he believes that “Barack Obama is behind by only one percent in West Virginia.”

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In return, Biden said that “to learn the ways of the Senate from Bob Byrd is like getting a trumpet lesson from the angel Gabriel
Comparing a KKK member with Gabriel?
Posted by: geevill | October 24, 2008, 1:13 pm 1:13 pm
Obama-Led Foundation Funded a Group Led by Former Chair of ‘Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist)’
Friday, October 24, 2008
By Matt Hadro
(CNSNews.com) – A foundation chaired by Barack Obama that was designed to improve Chicago public schools gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Small Schools Workshop, an organization led by former Weatherman Bill Ayers and by Michael Klonsky, a former chairman of both Students for a Democratic Society and, according to The Washington Post and New York Times, a group called the “Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist).”
“Ayers and an old comrade from SDS, Mike Klonsky, run the Small Schools Workshop to mentor and provide guidance and technical support to educators seeking to start small schools,” The Chicago Tribune reported on Sept. 16, 2001.
In a September 6, 1977 article headlined “China’s Ideal American; U.S. Marxist Gets Red-Carpet Welcome in China,” The Washington Post said Klonsky was “chairman of the newly organized Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) of the United States of America.”
“Secretary of State Cyrus Vance got a good reception in Peking last month, but nothing like the red-carpet treatment received by that distinguished representative of the American people, Michael Klonsky,” the Post reported, before asking: “Michael who?”
Answering its own question, the Post said: “Klonsky, as it turns out, is the chairman of the newly organized Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) of the United States of America, an amalgam of various pro-Peking leftist troops whose memberships are not thought to total more than a few hundred people–if that. Klonsky enjoyed a period of notoriety during the late 1960s when he headed Students for a Democratic Society and, for the first time, brought a radical Communist rhetoric to that New Left organization.”
The August 26, 1977 New York Times, citing Klonsky as leader of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist), reported that he was one of only five Americans other than Secretary of State Vance and former President Richard Nixon and two Chinese-American scientists to have met with new Chinese Communist Party Chairman Hua Kuo-feng.
According to publicly available IRS 990 documents, the Small Schools Workshop that Klonsky ran with Bill Ayers received at least $800,000 from the Chicago Annenberg Challenge (CAC) between 1998 and 2002. Obama chaired the CAC.
Leftist Activist
Klonsky “spent his college years in the late 60’s and early 70’s as an activist at what is now California State University, Northridge,” according to a March 5, 2000 story in The Chicago Tribune.
It added: “Mike Klonsky, who teaches education at the University of Illinois at Chicago, was a member of the Students for a Democratic Society and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC).”
Klonsky in 1968 “was national chairman of the S.D.S. and a demonstration organizer” during the Democratic National Convention in Chicago, The New York Times reported on Aug. 26, 1996.
In an Aug. 24, 1996 piece in the Toronto Star that described Klonsky as an “angry student organizer” during the 1968 Democratic convention, Klonsky was quoted as saying he had entered the “political process.”
“He heads a project to revitalize Chicago’s inner city schools,” the Star reported. “He shows up at the office in jeans and a T-shirt. He is speaking out against racism, working with the poor and railing against the rise of right-wing politics in America.”
“We have to keep our guard up, make sure that progressive people are still active and conscious and aware,” Klonsky told the Star. “I’ve become part of the political process.”
When the SDS splintered in 1969 – in what The Chicago Tribune described as “a showy and disastrous split”–Ayers, his now-wife Bernardine Dohrn and others formed the violent Weatherman faction.
“I led the fight against the Weatherman,” Klonsky told the Tribune in Sept. 2001. “I wasn’t big on blowing up toilets and statues.”
Klonsky then founded the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) (CPML) in June 1977 in the Midwest, according to the Washington Post’s September 1977 article, after which he traveled to China in July 1977 and met with the Chairman Hua Kuo-feng of the Chinese Communist Party, who gave him, according to the Post, “what still stands as the warmest reception ever given an American by the new Chinese leader.”
“Vice Premier Li Hsien-nien told Klonsky at the banquet that the founding of the Communist Party (Marxist-Leninist) of the United States reflects the aspirations of the proletariat and other working people of the United States and is a new victory for the Marxist-Leninist movement in the United States,” the Post reported.
The Post continued: “Klonsky replied, according to the Chinese news agency, ‘As a Marxist-Leninist party in one of the two superpowers, and recognizing our responsibility to lead the struggle to topple the U.S. imperialist ruling class, we are determined as well to make a contribution to the worldwide struggle against the two superpowers, the United States and Soviet social-imperialism, the main enemies of the peoples of the world.’”
The party collapsed in 1981, however.
“Between 1979 and 1981, the CPML, which had become internationally recognized as China’s favorite American party (CPML chairman Mike Klonsky was repeatedly feted with state-dinner-level visits to Beijing), dissolved in a rapid series of factional splits and departures,” Pulitzer Prize-winning historian David Garrow wrote in July 9, 2002 Village Voice review of “Revolution in the Air: Sixties Radicals Turn to Lenin, Mao and Che” by Max Elbaum.
School reform advocate
In the 1990s, Klonsky became a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago, where he and Bill Ayers would join forces in the Small Schools Workshop.
“We started the Small Schools Workshop in 1991, with the goal of supporting Chicago’s reform-minded teachers as they tried to create new, smaller learning communities,” Klonsky and Ayers wrote in a February 2006 article they jointly authored for Phi Delta Kappan magazine, titled “Renaissance 2010: The Small Schools Movement Meets the Ownership Society.”
The bio-line for the article specified that Ayers founded the Small Schools Workshop in 1991 and that Klonsky “has served as the workshop’s director since 1993.”
“Our vision of small schools was closely connected with issues of social justice, equity, and community,” they wrote.
Klonsky repeatedly has been identified as “co-director” or “director” of the Workshop.
An Aug. 26, 1996 Associated Press story noted: “Mike Klonsky, a former SDS leader and ’68 protester, is helping reform Chicago’s troubled public schools as co-director of the Small Schools Workshop at the University of Illinois-Chicago.”
A March 5, 2000 Chicago Tribune story said Klonsky “remains active as co-director of the Small Schools Workshop based at UIC (University of Illinois at Chicago).”
A 2006 news release from Nova Southeastern University in Florida, announced Klonsky’s arrival there, identifying the educator as “director of the Small Schools Workshop in Chicago, Illinois.”
Of his collaboration with Ayers, Klonsky told the Chicago Tribune in 2001: “Now we’re on the same train. We still disagree about things, but . . . as long as we don’t talk about ’69, then we’re OK.”
“We’ve learned how to work within the system. The fight to save and improve public education embodies all the issues we were fighting for back then,” he added.
Reached by phone by CNSNews.com, Klonsky declined to be interviewed.
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Posted by: Not-A-Citizen-Obama | October 24, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
I don’ think any industry oil, coal, steel, manufacturing etc. is counting on or placing their bets on McCain/Palin. This is why you see the stock market crashing. Everyone is afraid it is going to be Obama/Biden and everyone knows they are bad for business and JOBS.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
“Whoa! Come on! John McCain and change? He needs a costume for that.”
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LOLOL Greatest Line of the year. Love it. Go Joe!
Posted by: becky | October 24, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
Palin’s Makeup Artist Is McCain’s Highest Paid Staffer For First Half Of October (SLIDESHOW)
See story – http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/24/palins-makeup-artist-is-m_n_137513.html
Posted by: VanLear | October 24, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
conf1689: No it’s not, it is reacting to how this Government has been run the past 8 years. Bush has basically destroyed the Middle Class. You can’t have an economy without a middle class holding it up.
Posted by: becky | October 24, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
Van – Well it is Halloween
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | October 24, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm
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Posted by: UnPoliticallyCorrect2008 | October 24, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm
Becky yes it is the reason. Stock market was doing just fine up until one month ago. Believe me I know I check it everyday. Finally called my broker last week and he confirmed my suspicians, everyone is selling and getting out because they are afrai Obama is going to get in. Actually the economy was just fine up until two years ago. It has not been bad for eight years and you are all fooling yourselves with this lie. And Obama has repeated it so many times people have been convinced. Well get ready for a tough four years.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
Nut jobs and conspiracy theorists, thats all McShame has left.
President Obama! Get used to it!
Posted by: Independent realist | October 24, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
Is there any way Joe can give us the exact day when S— is going to hit the fan? And Van Lear – you are aware that Oprah is taking care of Michelle Obama? So go away with your silliness.
Posted by: lori | October 24, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
conf1689: and your broker is Republican also?
It all started with the bad housing loans. Which yes, started about 4 years ago, which took time to hit the banks and in return hit the market, which in return started with Bush and McCain who for years have screamed and voted deregulation. Now, all their friends and them are very wealthy while the rest us dirt. Yes, it is our fault, we should have screamed louder when this housing crap started, anyone in their right mind saw this coming down the tracks. Oh, wait, we all thought there was nothing we could do, after all, it is our Presidents job to protect the people of this great Nation and not just the top CEOs and Oil Companies.
Posted by: becky | October 24, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
Girl assaulted by Obama supporter confesses to police that she made it all up and will face charges.
www . kdka . com
Well if that doesn’t seal Pennsylvania’s fate I don’t know what will.
Posted by: USMC | October 24, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm
I love ABC and the mainstream media(propaganda arm of DNC and Barack Obama)
covering everything, and I do mean everything, EXCEPT the relevant facts that I require to cast my vote for McCain or Obama.
Posted by: steve | October 24, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
I am a registered independent and Mass. resident. I am consoling myself with the fact that all these red states who want to be like my Mass.Liberal Blue state can see what it’s like to be run by total Liberals. May-be now everyone will stop moving into our state because we are so liberal and lenient with Welfare, Health care,housing etc. I understand these social agencys serve a much needed purpose but I kid you not when I say there are signs up in bus stations in New York and Forida telling people to move here for housing and benefits. And other states send their needy here. So with an Obama Presidency and all the red states turning blue and the Liberals taking total control even in their state now may-be we in Mass. will get a break and everyone can spread the wealth around to their own citizens . I’m going to put some signs up in my bus sattion sending everyone to the new found BLUE states. Good Luck new Hampshire, Virginia, Ohio, Florida etc….Can’t wait to see how you like being BLUE.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
BECKY iT ALL STARTED WITH THE HOUSING. YES IT DID AND MOST OF THE PROBLEMS STARTED WHEN THE DEMOCRATS TOOK OVER CONGRESS TWO YEARS AGO AND PROMOTED ACORN, FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE mAC LOAN PROGRAMS TO QUALIFY MORE AND MORE PEOPLE FOR MOTGAGES.I KNOW I AM A REALTOR AND LIVE IN LIBERAL BLUE MASS. HOME OF BARNEY FRANK. AND I’D LIKE TO STATE WE ARE EXTREMELY DEMOCRATIC STATE AND IT WAS GREEDY REGISTERED DEMOCRATS DOING IT IN MY STATE.HOW DO I KNOW BECAUSE I LIVE IN A DEPRESSED TEXTILE CITY AND THERE ARE NO REPUBLICANS AROUND.I SAW THIS COMING THREE YEARS AGO AND NO ONE WANTED TO LISTEN. AND FOR THE RECORD I DID NOT SELL ONE PERSON A HOME WHO DID NOT QUALIFY AND COULD NOT AFFORD THEIR MORTGAGE.AND NO MY BROKER IS NOT REPUBLICAN. HE HAS JUST BEEN A BROKER FOR 40 YEARS AND KNOWS THE REASON HIS CLIENTS ARE CALLING HIM AND TELLING HIM TO SELL.GO TO GOVTRACK.US AND LOOK UP WHO IT WAS PROMOTING AND PASSING ALL THE BILLS FOR THESE LOOSE MORTGAGE LENDING PRACTICES.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
Girl assaulted by Obama supporter confesses to police that she made it all up and will face charges.
www . kdka . com
Well if that doesn’t seal Pennsylvania’s fate I don’t know what will.
Posted by: USMC
Yeah, but i mean comeon. It was SO OBVIOUS, I stated it even before the ‘confession’ news broke. Look at the mugshot of her lol. The “B” that she says the knife wielding attacker carved into her face…. its just a shallow scratch mark hardly made by a ‘knife’.
I hope McCain/Palin campaign will comment on this since they were so ‘concerned’ they called and spoke to her.
This just shows that all that is left of the republicans are fakes and con-artists. Just lies and smears, the last twiching death rattles of a corrupt party and candidates.
Posted by: JoeShmoe | October 24, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Our economic crises did start with the sub-prime mortgage loans–to those who knowingly could not afford to pay for the mortgage or housing. Too many of these loans were made, thanks to pressure from the Democrats, minority groups and other who support them. American and European economic experts have been saying this all along but Obama is still blaming the Republicans. With all the forclosures, all housing values have dropped and people are dropping their mortgage payments because their house values are far below the sale value. Thanks for the worst economic crises in 80 years, Democrats.
Posted by: Mary | October 24, 2008, 2:22 pm 2:22 pm
Ref conf1689 : Poor souls, now blaming Obama for Bushes lack of financial oversight.
The financial meltdown was coming, people knew about it 10 months ago , please read , study before making idiotic comments. Of course you Wall Streeet advisor is going to blame whoever you want him to blame. except himself and your own greed.
Posted by: enn | October 24, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
Mary who was the biggest advocate for DEREGULATION on Wall Street, that allowed Banks and loan institutes the possibilities to push through those deals?
I’ll give you a hint. He voted with Bush 90% of the time. Did I mention he was a POW?
Posted by: JoeShmoe | October 24, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm
geevill – yesterday you could not stop posting about this poor girl and the horrible Obama people. Thought you might like an update:
A Pittsburgh police commander says a volunteer for the McCain campaign who reported being robbed and attacked near a bank ATM in Bloomfield has confessed to making up the story. Police say charges will be filed.
Posted by: ALready Voted | October 24, 2008, 2:37 pm 2:37 pm
Mary, the super low interest rates as well as the straight up housing price curve were already in place when the Dems gained control of the House, so it’s kinda silly, but very Republican, to blame others for what is happening.
Posted by: Javalation | October 24, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Yes all the minority groups who got their loans because of pressure from the Democrats are “dropping out of their mortgages because their house values are far below sales value”. What a joke! Its all the Republicans who bought mcmansions that they knew they couldn’t afford that we can really thank.
Posted by: Loki | October 24, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Oh goody! I can’t wait to read what he’s going to say today to doom his own campaign.
Go Biden! I hope McCain has a special place for you in his upcoming administration for all you’ve done for him. I mean that sincerely!
Yours Truly,
Posted by: Cliff | October 24, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm
“Posted by: Loki | Oct 24, 2008 2:38:49 PM”
You don’t read much non-fiction, do you?
Posted by: Cliff | October 24, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Haha the Republicans is starting the blame game: Now Tom Ridge says he wouldve been a better choise than Palin.
“Now the state’s former governor says that if he were on the Republican ticket, the road to the White House might have been a less bumpy one.”
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/24/ridge-if-mccain-doesn%e2%80%99t-win-pa-he-doesn%e2%80%99t-win-the-white-house/
Someone quick! Call Joe the plumber, the McCain/Palin campaign is going down the drains!!!
Posted by: JoeShmoe | October 24, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
“You don’t read much non-fiction, do you?”
Not in Republican slanted comments I sure don’t.
Posted by: Loki | October 24, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
enn First of all I am not greedy gave more to charity then your spread the wealth around Biden.I am middle class who happened to invest in the stock market as a way to pay for kids colleges.The finacial INSTITUTIONS may have shown signs of trouble 10 months ago but they were not tranparent and got away with it till one month ago.They didn’t come out and publicly fail until the week McCain was up in the polls. I do blame the dems and Barney Frank for the mortgage crisis they pushed for unqualified buyers to receive mortgages. Look it uo govtrack.us. As I said before theywere the ones passing the bills for lower standards on mortgages for low income Buyers. Please read and look it up before you make stupid comments. Cogress has a Bank and Financing oversight committee and Bush is not on it. Barney Frank annd Chris Dodd are. And Congress ignored John McCain when he tried to warn them about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. I’m soory accepting reality is beyond your capabilities.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
Barney Frank pointed out himself that the Democratic controlled congress passed legislation to regulat Frannie and Freddie within five months of taking control after the Republicans let it ride for six years.
Trying to shift the blame to the Democrats just isn’t going to wash.
Posted by: Loki | October 24, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
becky..To be fair Bush was not pushing sub-prime loans nor freddie mac/fannie mae loans for people that could not afford them ..got a complaint? Send it addressed to Frank, Dodd and Greenspan plus the irresponsible home buyers who fooled themselves into believing that the interest rate would never go up on their adj. rate mortgages..So what happens when your imperial leader fizzles out and can not get this economy under control with his high taxes and spending?? Get ready to eat crow, there will be a lot of repubs ready to serve it with steak sauce as turn about is fair play…HEY YOU AND OBAMA SUPPORTERS LIKE YOU CREATED BITTERNESS WITHIN THE OPPOSING SIDE WITH NASTY MEAN COMMENTS AND ONE SIDED COVERAGE TO THE POINT THAT THE REPUBS WILL NEVER ACCEPT OBAMA AS THIER PRESIDENT….YOU CREATED THEM…….DEAL WITH IT…Not voting for either…..
Posted by: curiousindep | October 24, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
McCain is now the preferred candidate of the Al-Quaida website.
They want him in office because they think he is dumb enough to keep our troops bogged down in a meaningless war in Iraq, while our economy is destroyed. The Al-Quaida called for a terrorist attack against the USA so that the voters in the swing states would vote for old John. The preferred candidates of the Al-Quaida are Palin and McCain because they only know war, and not negotiations.
FIX THE COMPUTERS. That the GOP election strategy in WV.
Posted by: Bruce Becker | October 24, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Loki I’m a Realtor and I can tell you in my depressed part of the state of Massachusetts it is not the Republicans loosing their McMansions. I don’t think there are any republicans in my satte. But I can tell you it is alot of lower income people who were given FannieMae, freddie Mac and Acorn motgages. And part of the problem is they didn’t have to put any money down or even pay for closing costs so they had nothing invested of their own money in the purchase in the first place. So they are walking away and leaving the house empty and unfortunately sometimes trashing them before they leave, Pulling out kitchens, tearing out lighting fixtures, punching holes in walss etc.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
Loki Look it up Govtrack.us and see who was pushing for the bills to get more amd more lenient for low income Buyers to get mortgages. They were even passing bills in September 2007 to make it easier for Buyers. Don’t believe Barney Frank look it up yourself and educate yourself. Believe me Barney Frank will say anything to protect himself. And unfortunately Mass. keeps electing him.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 3:10 pm 3:10 pm
DOLE, BACHMAN and McCain all use lies in their campaigns. The same story: the opponent MAY be un-American. the opponent MAY be radical.
DUMP the liar DOLE. ELECT HAGAN
DUMP the liar, two faced BACHMAN ELECT ELWYN TINK
And remember, the AL-QUAIDA prefer McCain and Palin, because neither of them will negotiate with the enemy, both ONLY want war, and the illusion of victory.
VOTE OBAMA for a negotiated peace in the middle east.
Posted by: Bruce Becker | October 24, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
I am about to vote for President a man who had unprotected sex with a man in a limo while smoking crack ( Larry Sinclair ), and who has an inner circle of gay men. After getting a look at Michelle, I can almost understand, but not completely.
I can’t vote for McCain because he waffles. I don’t know what to do really.
Posted by: barackhusseinobama | October 24, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
Some of what you’re saying may well be true. But you are distorting the statistics as most Republicans always do. A significant percentage of all the mortgages in the entire country are in trouble. It is silly to try and argue that all of these mortgages are for lower income people. That would mean the lower class in this country is much larger than it really is.
Posted by: Loki | October 24, 2008, 3:12 pm 3:12 pm
When a single Black mother of three can sign as mortgage and move into a house worth $215,000 is great, until you find out her take home pay each month was less than $1,300.00. She paid only a very low interest rate and nothing on equity for three years. She is like millions of others who are losing their homes. It is false promises and false hopes—something Obama has been selling during this campaign.
In 2002 and 2006 the Republicans tried to get regulations in place but the Democrats balked. Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac were both very generous to the Democrats in campaign contributions for not deregulating.
Posted by: Mary | October 24, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
“Posted by: Loki | Oct 24, 2008 3:01:34 PM”
Wow. You really do drink the kool-aid, don’t you?
Do yourself a favor, bone up on the financial crisis. Go to the website that conf1689 gave you, twice. Don’t worry now, it’s a non-partisan website.
Oh heck. I’ll list it again… http://www.govtrack.us/
Then, let’s reconvene and talk about the issue, ok?
Posted by: Cliff | October 24, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm
Loki I am an Idependent and believe me I am not distorting the facts to benefit Republicans. I am not distorting the facts at all they are what they are. Not all the mortgages are for low income people but low income people should not have been given these mortgages and it was irresponsible of Congress to push for them to get them. After all aren’t the dems always promoting themselves to be the party for the low income. Well they certainly were’nt looking out for their best interest in this regard. And now they don’t even want to admit they were wrong. Get ready for a scarey 4 years.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
Again an outright lie. The Republicans did not make an serious attempt to regulate Frannie and Freddie. They had control of the Congress and the White House and could have passed the regulations if they wanted too. They were against regulation.
Posted by: Loki | October 24, 2008, 3:20 pm 3:20 pm
“I can’t vote for McCain because he waffles. I don’t know what to do really.”
I don’t know if your claim about Obama is true, and I don’t know what you’re referring to when you say that McCain waffles but maybe I can help you decide what to do.
It’s simple. If you don’t vote at all, Obama wins. Why? Because he is currently the front runner in this race. So, your non-vote is a vote for Obama.
Does that help?
Posted by: Cliff | October 24, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
There is absolutely nothing wrong with structuring mortgages so that lower income people can afford houses or that it can’t be profitable for everyone. The mortages were designed so that lower income people COULD afford to pay them. Many people blame the derivatives where more debt could be backed up by less cash more than anything else for causing the actual collapse.
Posted by: Loki | October 24, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm
Loki The past two years the dems had control of Congress.And if Obama gets elected they are going to have control of the senate, congress and the presidency. It will be a totally democratic power and this is never good. Prepare yourself for a drastic four years. I know I am. I hope you went to the website Cliff posted for you. Read and learn.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
Loki..Geez reason why I am independent….WE READ THE CONTRACT:
NYT Article September 2003 clearly showing that the first substantive Fannie and Freddie reform from inside government came from the Bush Administration. Spurred by worries that Fannie and Freddie were cooking their book and taking too many risks, Treasury Secretary John Snow proposed placing the companies under Treasury oversight with strict controls over risk and capital reserves. THE NYT LABELED THE PROPOSAL “THE MOST SIGNIFICANT REGULATORY OVERHAUL IN THE HOUSING FINANCE INDUSTRY SINCE THE SAVINGS AND LOAN CRISIS A DECADE AGO.”
Barney Frank: “These two entities-FM/FM are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.”
OMG…You obama supporters don’t even know your Senate and Congress…WE ARE IN A WORLD OF HURT FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS AS YOU CAN’T EVEN KEEP TABS ON YOUR OWN ELECTED OFFICIALS………
Posted by: curiousindep | October 24, 2008, 3:28 pm 3:28 pm
The mortgages were NOT designed so that lower income people could afford to buy homes . This is the problem these mortgages were unrealistic for so many of the lower income to even be sitting in a mortgage brokers office to get qualified. The mortgages had too many loopholes and not enough protection in them for the same people they were designed to help. This is Congresses fault they did not oversee this correctly. And Congress not only didn’t stop it they encouraged it. Barney Frank knew these low income people could not afford the inflated home prices in my state. Yet he kept pushing for loopholes for these people to get mortgages. Why I don’t know I don’t see any logic in the man.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
All the companies were taking risks. Where is Lehmann Bros? Merryl Lynch?
Did the Republicans try and regulate them?
Posted by: Loki | October 24, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm
Loki…”more debt could be backed by less cash as one of the reasons…”DUH ya also known as “spending beyond your means.” Somebody gotta pay Loki for poor decisions made by irresponsible borrowers and lenders..so you feel we that were responsible borrowers and still have our houses and finances in order, should now throw more money at irresponsible borrowers…when does it end..let me guess when no one is solvent or everyone equal??? Hmmmm sounds like Obama’s plan all right….
Posted by: curiousindep | October 24, 2008, 3:39 pm 3:39 pm
“The Republicans did not make an serious attempt to regulate Frannie and Freddie.”
Ok, here’s where I AGREE with you to an extent. Fact is, while Democrats are largely responsible for bringing about the conditions that led to this current crisis, Republicans had an opportunity to fix it when they were in power and they did not. In fact, our elected leaders in Washington had their heads buried in the sand. Why? Politics, greed and a lack of leadership from Bush. Remember, everything was just grand – good economy, record home ownership, etc. Who wanted to rock the boat?
But remember too, that in 2006, after Dems took control of Congress, John McCain, Bush and three or four other Reps warned Barney Frank and Chris Dodd’s finance committee that a credit crisis was looming on the horizon and that reform should be considered and passed during the session. Well, after well-publized hearings, the committee rejected not only the proposed reform but even the IDEA that anything was wrong. Why? Nobody yet knows for certain however we do know which politicians have benefited financially from their relationships with the institutions largely responsible for issuing bad loans. And guess what? They are the Dems on the finance committee and… Barack Obama (gasp)!
And so here we are today…
Posted by: Cliff | October 24, 2008, 3:41 pm 3:41 pm
“OMG…You obama supporters don’t even know your Senate and Congress…WE ARE IN A WORLD OF HURT FOR THE NEXT 4 YEARS AS YOU CAN’T EVEN KEEP TABS ON YOUR OWN ELECTED OFFICIALS………”
Cold, hard facts are like Kryptonite to some of these people.
Posted by: Cliff | October 24, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Where were the democratic Congress? Did they try to regulate them? Who has had control for the past two years.The Buyers were the ones taking the risk first because they thought it was their right to own a home. And it is everyones right if you can afford it. But it is not the democratic Congresses right to put us all at risk for their hypocritical noble causes.True the institutions were and are stupid . But Congress was even dumber.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Well we could go round and round all day but I guess we’ll have to settle this in the voting booth. The last thing I’d like to say is that you are right: If Obama gets elected it will be the Democrats turn to come up to bat and if they do turn things around in the next few years the way Clinton did it in his first term it is going to be pretty convincing to America who was to blame.
Posted by: Loki | October 24, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
“There is absolutely nothing wrong with structuring mortgages so that lower income people can afford houses or that it can’t be profitable for everyone.”
Loki, I will agree with you on this point too. The CRA has actually helped low-income families with SOLID credit get into homes. However, the CRA was later tinkered with during the Clinton Administration and the new rules forced lenders to completely abandon sound lending practices so that even more low-income people could get into homes, regardless of their creditworthiness.
Like I said, as a result home ownership skyrocketed and everyone thought this was good, that it was the sign of a strong economy our elected officials could take credit for – both Dems and Reps.
Posted by: Cliff | October 24, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm
It is stunning that McCain not only refuses to disavow convicted felon and domestic terrorist G. Gordon Liddy, but actually approves of him! Liddy was characterized by the Chicago Tribune, a Republican paper, as “an enemy of democracy.” McCain said of Liddy, “I am proud of [him]” and “I’m not embarrased in any way to know Gordon Liddy.”
Amazing! Mcain is proud of his friendship with a felon convicted of multiple crimes that threatened the fabric of our democracy.
McCain’s “poor judgment” from the Keating Five scandal continues unabated.
Posted by: William J. LePetomaine | October 24, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm
And is so amazing Obama will not disavow Acorn. Guess he likes fraud and deceipt and voter registration fraud, especially when its going his way.
Posted by: conf1689 | October 24, 2008, 4:44 pm 4:44 pm
I have decided to vote for McCain-Palin.
I’m a registered Florida Democrat who voted for Hillary in the primary. Too bad the unfair Democrat primary process cheated Hillary out of the nomination.
Posted by: DemocratVotingForMcCain-Palin | October 24, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
When a single Black mother of three can sign as mortgage and move into a house worth $215,000 is great, until you find out her take home pay each month was less than $1,300.00. She paid only a very low interest rate and nothing on equity for three years. She is like millions of others who are losing their homes. It is false promises and false hopes—something Obama has been selling during this campaign.
In 2002 and 2006 the Republicans tried to get regulations in place but the Democrats balked. Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac were both very generous to the Democrats in campaign contributions for not deregulating.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 24, 2008 3:17:31 PM
This is the crux of the problem. People, who try to get something without earning it. It is why our prisons are full, and our economic system is failing. Work for what you have, earn it. Everything else, falls into place. Do anything else, and complain to someone else.
Posted by: jim | October 24, 2008, 5:05 pm 5:05 pm
“Posted by: DemocratVotingForMcCain-Palin | Oct 24, 2008 5:05:30 PM”
You will not be disappointed. Or, to put it another way, you may become disappointed, but perhaps to a lesser extent than if Obama were to get into the White House.
One thing is for sure, McCain WILL appoint and work with Dems during his administration. That’s not neccessarily a selling point for me, but hey, he is a Maverick. :)
Posted by: Cliff | October 24, 2008, 5:54 pm 5:54 pm
william..You finally have people discussing economic issues and our problems thereof and how obama is going control those economic troubles with higher taxes and higher spending…AND WHAT DO YOU BRING UP, GORDON LIDDY’S RELATIONSHIP WITH MCCCAIN…LOL… HEY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU AND OBAMA SUPPORTERS WILL WIN THE BOOBY PRIZE, A LIBERAL DEM IN OFFICE AND LIBERAL SENATE AND CONGRESS…SO STOP AVOIDING OBAMA’S POLICIES…I can see it now…2 years into an obama presidency his supporters will still be trashing mccain and palin just to deflect obama/biden failures..
Posted by: curiousindep | October 24, 2008, 6:20 pm 6:20 pm
NEW BEDFORD — After the November election, Democrats will push for a second economic stimulus package that includes money for the states’ stalled infrastructure projects, along with help paying for healthcare expenses, food stamps and extended unemployment benefits, U.S. Rep. Barney Frank said Thursday.
In a meeting with the editorial board of The Standard-Times, Rep. Frank, D-Mass., also called for a 25 percent cut in military spending, saying the Pentagon has to start choosing from its many weapons programs, and that upper-income taxpayers are going to see an increase in what they are asked to pay.
The military cuts also mean getting out of Iraq sooner, he said.
Joe
Posted by: Joe | October 24, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm
“AND WHAT DO YOU BRING UP, GORDON LIDDY’S RELATIONSHIP WITH MCCCAIN”
Obamabot kiddies just mindlessly post talking points. They have no clue Liddy was a patriotic FBI man who among other things busted LSD guru Timothy Leary. I never saw William Ayers guest star on Miami Vice like liddy did. or have Robert Conrad play him in a movie.
Posted by: geevill | October 24, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm
I appreciate John McCains service in the Navy, however I also realize that it was not a choice he made, but one that was made for him due to his father and grandfathers legacy. Having read his book, he made that more than clear. However, that does make him any more or less qualified to lead this country. A leader is one whos intelligence and reasoning allows America to explore all options available and to do their best to prevent soldiers from having to put their lives on the line unless absolutely necessary to protect the freedoms we claim as our own. Since I retired from military service, I have now seen many of my friends and relatives sent into Iraq never to return alive. I consider their deaths to have been in vein, and a result of an over aggressive and irrational administration who was in too much of a hurry to rush in, regardless of how many lives they put at risk. John McCain was one of those in the administration shouting from his soapbox encouraging the invasion, more so than most others in Congress. Given his military background, he should have been one of those opposing such actions the loudest, and instead, he let his brothers in arms down in the worst of ways. That is not a leader.
Obama has shown to have the demeanor, intelligence and character of a true American, who cares about Americans and their values, and would be the type of leader who would explore all possibilities available from all resources before placing our men and women in harms way. That is the true character of a leader.
I cannot bring back my lost friends and relatives, nor can I vote for a man who was in a large part responsible for their lives being lost for completely wrong reasons. I, like many many more of my fellow brothers will be voting for Obama and for a better future for all Americans. I can only hope that others can see through the current hate and intolerance involved in this election campaign and do the same.
Posted by: MajorTimms | October 25, 2008, 4:36 am 4:36 am
Mountain Mama! Biden blows into West Virginia
Yes, but it’s a dry heat that blew in.
Oh, MajorTimms again…gave some Navy props to the Senator from Arizona.
Allow me to reciprocate:
I appreciate Barack Obama having once thought about kinda joining the military.
Posted by: Grand Old Party | October 25, 2008, 6:36 am 6:36 am
It is so odd to see the focus on a historically militant minority faction overshadow the huge pacifist majority that comprised the left-wing movement of the 60′s an 70s. Moreover, while I fancied myself a bit of a hippie, back then, today I am a well-educated professional, working hard to keep the bills paid, in a job I love, and a member of those households earning under $250,000/year. I’m not Joe Plumber–but I pay taxes and deserve to keep some wealth for myself and my posterity too, despite my more meager earnings!
Moreover, rhetoric will not refute reality–and unless the majority of Americans can have a healthy economic outlook, our fate (whether or not there are JOBS for those of us who want them) will be in the hands of the same seemingly insatiable few hoding the purse strings now! Does it make any sense to keep taxing away money from the people who need it, who must spend it, to put food on the table and keep the bills paid, then give tax loopholes to the wealthiest few, whose wallets have been padded for 8 years in the name of creating jobs and a healthy economy? If so, why are we losing jobs and flailing economically as a nation!?
Barack Obama is not proposing socialism, but espousing the patriotic responsibility of all citizens, including corporate citizens, to keep our nation’s economy, infrastructure, and social structure strong, for the sake of our national security–besides managing military expenditures more adeptly. The desired effect of his proposal is indeed, to let the majority of Americans participate in the flow of dollars that is necessary to create jobs. Repeating the words “spread the wealth” as though Barack has proposed some sort of vile communist plot is nothing more than political rhetoric– too ironic for thinking people to parrot! Think I’ll be voting for “That one.”
Hillary–if you happen to see this, I am still looking forward to seeing your role play out in the revitalization of our great nation, as well.
Posted by: 52swf_educatedpro_tx | October 25, 2008, 12:12 pm 12:12 pm
Why are people so OK with having their income taxed? That perplexes me. The government gave themselves that right, and We The Sheeple just go along with it. Or…..they’re lying. Taxes are what other people should pay, not themselves.
How about a national sales tax? If you can’t afford to buy this or that, then so be it. How about American adults being treated like big boys and girls for a change and being allowed to make decisions for themselves?
If you buy expensive toys because you’re rich and can afford them, then you pay more in taxes there. If you’re middle class you contribute that way.
Both parties in Congress are going to squander it anyway, so this ‘fiscal responsibility’ stuff is nonsense. However, I actually trust McCain and Palin to do that.
Since when is paying taxes ‘patriotic’? Jeez, talk about drinking Kool-Aid. What if Biden said that sticking a fork up yourself is patriotic how many of these idiots would repeat that? But, like actually liking paying taxes, they know better…it’s just baloney they mouth to support their God and his very mortal, possibly drunken, side-kick.
Someone posted elsewhere something to the effect that the next time you eat in a restaurant, ask your server if they’re an Obama supporter. If they say ‘yes’ tell them you’re going to send their tip to a charity. LOL…I like that!
Posted by: Grand Old Party | October 26, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am