By Danny

Oct 21, 2008 9:21pm

Obama Tweaks Tax Plan to Rebut McCain

ABC News’ Teddy Davis, Hope Ditto, Arnab Datta, and Ferdous Alfaruque Report:

Facing criticism from John McCain that his tax plan constitutes "welfare," Barack Obama recently added a work requirement to one of his proposals.

"They started saying this was welfare," said Obama adviser Austan Goolsbee. "So, just so they would absolutely not be able to say that, we decided that for the last two percent we’ll simply add a work requirement."

Goolsbee discussed the change to Obama’s universal mortgage credit while debating McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin at the Council on Foreign Relations on Tuesday.

The purpose of Obama’s 10 percent universal mortgage credit is to aid taxpayers who do not itemize when filing taxes. The Obama campaign estimates that it would provide an average of $500 to 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year.

Watch the video here.

Goolsbee referred to the number of non-working Americans who would benefit from the original understanding of Obama’s plan as an insignificant "sliver" when compared to the much larger number of working Americans who would benefit from Obama’s plan.

Although the number of non-working beneficiaries would have been just a "sliver" under the original understanding of Obama’s plan, Goolsbee said the Democratic nominee’s economic team decided to add a work requirement to it in order to block McCain from being able to characterize any aspect of his plan as "welfare."

"When did this change? I’m just curious," an incredulous Holtz-Eakin asked Goolsbee.

"About two weeks ago," replied Goolsbee, adding that when the proposal was announced in September 2007, 98 percent of its benefits went to workers.

The work requirement on Obama’s universal mortgage credit was never announced publicly, prompting Holtz-Eakin to suggest that it was just made up for purposes of the CFR debate.

"I think they just made it up," Holtz-Eakin told ABC News. "They will say anything in the moment. This is like trying to pin Jello to the wall."

During a Tuesday conference call with reporters, Holtz-Eakin mocked Goolsbee’s claim that Obama could have changed his plan two weeks ago in response to McCain attacks that did not start until after Obama met with Joe "The Plumber" Wurzelbacher nine days ago.

"What we saw today was just another example of the Obama campaign being willing to say potentially anything in order to avoid the tough questions of the moment," said Holtz-Eakin.

Goolsbee told ABC News that he was not exactly sure when the conversation among Obama economic advisers took place. He said it’s possible that it did not take place until a week ago when McCain started hammering Obama on the issue. Goolsbee said it was also possible that it happened earlier since some conservative columnists were criticizing Obama on this point before the Republican nominee started making the line of attack himself.

Goolsbee argued that his Tuesday reference to adding a work requirement referred not to a change in policy but rather a change in what the Obama campaign was making explicit.

"Our thing has never been welfare," said Goolsbee. "It was always our intention that there was a work requirement."

Asked how the Obama campaign made its work requirement on the mortgage credit explicit before Tuesday, Goolsbee said, "We made it explicit among ourselves," adding that he thinks Obama economic adviser Jason Furman might have made this point to reporters in recent interviews conducted on background.

Goolsbee suggested that one of the reasons why the Obama campaign did not previously feel a need to make its work requirement explicit is that the refundable tax credits which exist in current U.S. tax law — the Earned Income Tax Credit, the child credit, and the health coverage for displaced workers credit — are all tied to either current work (in the case of the first two) are recent work (in the case of the third).

Goolsbee correctly noted that Obama’s other refundable tax credits were clearly tied to work. An individual must work in order to qualify for Obama’s making-work-pay credit, an individual must have earnings from a job in order to benefit from Obama’s saver’s credit, parents must work in order to benefit from Obama’s refundable child care tax credit, and college students must perform community service in order to benefit from Obama’s college tax credit.

Goolsbee also said McCain’s criticism smacks of "hypocrisy" since a refundable tax credit — with no work requirement — is a core component of the Arizona senator’s health plan.

Now that Obama has made clear that all of his tax credits are work-related, Holtz-Eakin contends that Obama has to defend the decision to strip the universal mortgage tax credit from workers who lose their jobs.

"That puts him in a position of having policies which say, ‘You get laid off . . . good luck,’" said Holtz-Eakin.

Goolsbee rebutted Holtz-Eakin’s criticism by saying that someone who lost his or her job would not immediately lose the universal mortgage credit. The worker could still qualify by working any time in the last taxable year or by having a spouse who works.

A tax expert with an organization which has scored the candidates’ proposals said he was unaware of the work requirement on Obama’s mortgage tax credit. At the same time, he agreed with Goolsbee that Obama’s other refundable tax credits, as well as ones in existing law, are clearly work-related.

"They might have been thinking this all along," said Roberton Williams, a principal research associate at the non-partisan Tax Policy Center. "But anytime you clarify something in a way that protects you, you are bound to draw criticism from your opponent."

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“They started saying this was welfare,” said Obama adviser Austan Goolsbee. “So, just so they would absolutely not be able to say that, we decided that for the last two percent we’ll simply add a work requirement.”
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Can’t fault the reporting, because Goolsbee said it.
But I’m confused. I seem to remember the work requirement always being there. And Obama for much longer than two weeks has actually been saying the tax cuts are for “95 percent of working Americans.”
I even remember in the first debate he said 95 percent of Americans and then corrected himself.

Posted by: Paul | October 21, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm

Obama Alters Tax Plan to Rebut McCain
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Ahahaha! Another flip-flop by Barack Obama. This can certainly be classified as the “mother of all flip-flops”!!
Barack Obama is a closet Marxist!
America wake up.

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 9:35 pm 9:35 pm

Questions:
Would you support a candidate who distributes money set aside for education to organizations that have little to do with education rather than to programs that show that they have helped students improve their math and science scores?
Would you support a guy that will increase taxes on elderly retired citizens.
Would you support a guy who has proven to have incorrect judgment on recent foreign policy issues?
Would you support a guy who has spent millions, yet there was no increase in the standard of living or improvement in the crime rate?
Would you support a guy who through his tax plan that may keep you from getting a raise and possibly getting you laid off?
Would you support a guy who financially supports those who support terrorism and racism?

Posted by: Mikah | October 21, 2008, 9:43 pm 9:43 pm

The mother of all flip flops? Really, Natasha.
How about John McCain opposing and then supporting the Bush tax cuts?
That wasn’t bigger than Obama’s tinkering around the edges?
And as I said above, I’m not sure I buy its a change, as I remember the tax plan always being like this.
Now as for the closet Marxist claim, is that because – oh my gosh – Obama’s plan has progressive rates? Please explain yourself if you can.

Posted by: Paul | October 21, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

Obama admits he supports Marxism during an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox News…
***The Obama [KGB] Squad has blocked the video but the text of the interview is still posted.
By Scott Miller
Karl Marx, author of The Communist Manifesto, penned the recap of his basic economic philosophy below:
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”
Barack Obama, in an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, admits that he shares the above Marxist economic theory. Watch this (5:47 into the clip, but watch the whole clip):
“If am sittin’ pretty, and you’ve got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can’t, what’s the big deal for me to say I’m going to pay a little bit more… that is neighborliness”
No Senator, that is Marxism. What kind of dementia makes these liberal Marxists think they have the right to tell someone else, another free human being, how much money they should or should not have? It’s none of your damn business Barack… but the hell out!
And some of you thought I was exaggerating when I said this clown was a Marxist…
Obama Admits He Supports Marxism
http://theconservativepost.com/WordPress/?p=550

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

Mikah – John McCain financially supports terrorism? I didn’t know that.

Posted by: Paul | October 21, 2008, 9:45 pm 9:45 pm

Natasha, by that definition, every politician who supports progressive rates is a Marxist.
Bush? Marxist.
His dad? Marxist.
Reagan? Marxist.
… at least according to Natasha.

Posted by: Paul | October 21, 2008, 9:47 pm 9:47 pm

The Wall Street Journal
Obama’s Tax Plan Is Really a Welfare Plan
Barack Obama’s tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. He also proposes a raft of tax credits that taxpayers can receive if they engage in various government-specified activities.
Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits “refundable.” Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.
Such credits are not tax cuts. Indeed, they should be called The New Tax Welfare. In effect, Mr. Obama is proposing to create or expand a slew of government spending programs that are disguised as tax credits. The spending on these programs is then subtracted from the total tax burden, in order to make the claim that his tax plan is a net tax cut overall.
On the tax side of the ledger, the details released by his campaign last week confirm what a President Obama has in mind for our most productive citizens. The top individual income tax rate, for example, would be increased by 13%, to 39.6%; the next-highest rate would be raised to 36%. The top rates on capital gains and dividends would rise by a third, to 20%
The Social Security payroll tax would be raised between 16% to 32% for families making over $250,000 a year. This means that the real returns these people get from their lifetime payments into the retirement program will be driven below 0%, according to my own previous research, which was published by the Cato Institute and elsewhere.
Mr. Obama also wants a permanent federal estate tax, with a top rate of 45%; his health-insurance plan includes a new payroll tax on employers; and he also contemplates several increases in the corporate income tax, including a new so-called windfall profits tax on oil companies.
Then there is the spending side of the ledger. Mr. Obama proposes a fully refundable Making Work Pay Tax Credit, which would have the government pay out $500 to each worker and $1,000 to couples — reminiscent of George McGovern’s 1972 election proposal for the government to send a $1,000 check to everyone.
His American Opportunity Tax Credit would provide a $4,000, fully refundable tax credit for college tuition expenses. His Mortgage Interest Tax Credit would provide a 10% credit — refundable — to offset mortgage interest payments for lower- and middle-income families. His Health Care Tax Credits, which the campaign says “will ensure that health insurance is available and affordable for all families,” include “a new refundable 50 percent health tax credit on employee premiums paid by employers.”
Currently existing tax credits would also become spending programs in the Obama tax program. The Savers Credit would be made fully refundable, and would be expanded, according to the campaign, “to match 50% of the first $1,000 of savings for families that earn under $75,000.” The Child and Dependent Care Tax Credit would be made refundable and expanded to allow “low-income families to receive up to a 50 percent credit on the first $6,000 of child care expenses.”
The Earned Income Tax Credit is already refundable. Mr. Obama would expand it to “increase the number of working parents eligible for EITC benefits, increase the benefits available to noncustodial parents who fulfill their child support obligations, increase benefits for families with three or more children, and reduce the EITC marriage penalty, which hurts low-income families.” In short, welfare spending is to be increased by paying more money out to low-income income tax filers.
The latest Congressional Budget Office data shows the bottom 40% of income earners already pays no income taxes. Indeed, they receive a net payment from the federal income tax system — meaning from the taxpayers — equal to 3.8% of all federal income taxes, because of the refundable tax credits under current law. The middle 20% of income earners, the true middle class, pays 4.4% of federal income taxes.
Overall, the bottom 60% of income earners pay less than 1% of federal income taxes on net. When “tax credits” primarily go to this group in the form of checks from the government (rather than a reduction in their tax burden) it is simply an abuse of the language to call the spending a tax cut.
Consequently, to say, as the campaign does say, that the candidate’s tax plan is a tax cut on net — and that it would limit taxes to 18.2% of GDP — is grossly misleading. The Obama tax plan would sharply increase real taxes. It also would come nowhere near to paying for the massive increases in federal spending he has proposed, including the spending that is disguised in the form of refundable tax credits.
The Wall Street Journal
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121910303529751345.html?mod=most_emailed_day

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 9:48 pm 9:48 pm

And, frankly Natasha, if we’re going to indict all Americans, isn’t that really an indictment of our entire way of life?
Well, I’m not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

Posted by: Paul | October 21, 2008, 9:49 pm 9:49 pm

Hope Ditto, Arnab Datta?
Please tell me this is a joke.
Or maybe just a bad dresm! Please wake me up!!!!

Posted by: Jim | October 21, 2008, 9:50 pm 9:50 pm

All politicians run by saying they will cut taxes. Nothing new. It’s a meaningless promise. Congress writes the tax bills. Congress will raise taxes providing the cover for Obama to say he never wanted it, but will sign the bill into law.

Posted by: uncle Mo | October 21, 2008, 9:51 pm 9:51 pm

this is good; I would be comfortable with an Obama Presidency if he promises to take his marching orders from Sen. McCain throughout his term.

Posted by: Obamacrat for McCain | October 21, 2008, 9:53 pm 9:53 pm

The campaign has come down to this, putting aside all the silliness about Marxism, communism, socialism, Ayersism, etc.
The McCain campaign is privately acknowledging that Colorado, New Mexico and Iowa are “gone.” They account for 21 electors.
McCain is desperately trying to compensate for that by winning Pennsylvania, which also has 21 electors.
In addition to winning Pennsylvania, McCain also needs to hold everything else Bush won four years ago.
So that’s the race. Obama has a solid lead in Pennsylvania (maybe double digits) but McCain is making an all-out effort there.
And McCain also needs to defend Virginia, North Carolina, Nevada, Missouri, Florida and Ohio.
At this point, barring some shocking news development, its down to a ground game – who can more effectively make the closing local arguments in those states, and who can more effectively get out the vote.

Posted by: Paul | October 21, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

Not welfare!

Posted by: Nancy | October 21, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

omg!!! SOCIALISM!!
listen you retards… i dont care if you call it dogpoop, its better than ANY republican proposal i have heard in 40 years.
i am ALL FOR 100% SOCIALISM if thats what this country needs to get back some of its inertia and momentum that the rich elites have eating into with their overt greed.
as a nation ,if the obama/democratic agenda doesnt work then we can always go back to something more conservative or go forward to something just new and different but right now , ITS TIME FOR A CHANGE AND SATAN HIMSELF WOULD BE PREFERABLE TO THE REPUBLICANS….’
GO GO GO !!!!OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA!!!
DEFEAT THE REPUBLICANS AND THEIR WAR MONGERING ELITIST AGENDA!!!!!

Posted by: bah | October 21, 2008, 9:58 pm 9:58 pm

The Chicago Tribune
Editorial
Problems with endorsing Obama
October 21, 2008
My, my. In their dumbfounding endorsement of Barack Obama, it seems to me that members of the Tribune’s editorial board must not have first read some pages in their own paper. Obama’s negatives have been cited ad nauseam, so I won’t repeat all of them. But there are some downsides in his candidacy that were not addressed in the unpersuasive endorsement statement, and they are a big deal to me. They include:
• The senator is a radical socialist with stated preferences for the Marxist notion of redistributing the wealth. Does the editorial board want the U.S. to morph into the socialist model of a dying Europe? Does it want our culture destroyed?
• With the likely veto-proof Democrat majority in Congress, a President Obama will have the opportunity to name justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. Is it the desire of the editorial board to have a leftist majority on that bench to creatively rewrite the Constitution and restructure society without regard to what citizens may think?
• Much closer to home, the editorial board has observed the wonderful things that happen in Illinois when one party controls Chicago, Cook County and the state. Does the editorial board want the entire nation governed as miserably as is Illinois with Democrats controlling the White House, Congress and the judiciary?
I don’t advocate any of these destructive directions for our country.
—Charles F. Falk, Schaumburg
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-1021vplettersbriefs0oct21,0,3600252.story

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 10:04 pm 10:04 pm

Hey bah, it took the Russians 70 years to go back.
Look, there a plenty of socializt countries in the world. Why don’t you go there.
Oh but perhaps maybe you like all the consumer goods and quality health care we have here.
Hey bah, ow many flat screen TV’s do you have. I wonder how many flat screens Venezuelans have? Better do yoru home work.
Oh that’s right you probably never did your homework. You probably spent too much time hanging out and gettign high so now you watnt to live off my acrifice and success.
Screw you, buddy, and all your ilk. You aren’t entilted to a dime of my success!

Posted by: Jim | October 21, 2008, 10:10 pm 10:10 pm

I love that they really do listen!

Posted by: Truth Matters | October 21, 2008, 10:12 pm 10:12 pm

Mr. Falk,
You must realize the pleasure we will have when we see all the talking head anchors signing off from their propaganda pulpits with “Ala Akbar”!
(That AK pointed at their head from behind the set will be a big motivator for them!)

Posted by: Jim | October 21, 2008, 10:16 pm 10:16 pm

Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
America wake up! The American Marxists/Socialists/Communists have posted this proclamation right on Barack Obama’s official website (see link below)
Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
“This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx’s writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat. Though the Democratic Socialists of America or the Communist Patty of America may have more Socialististic values, it is pointless to vote for these candidates due to the fact that there is virutally no chance they will be elected on a National level. The members of this group are not Leninists, Stalinists, etc. and do not support or condone the actions of North Korea, China, Cuba or any other self-procalimed “Marxist States.” They do not in anyway represent the Marxist philosophy nor do they represent Socialism/ Communsim. We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!”
Source:
BarackObama.com
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/MarxistsSocialistsCommunistsforObama

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 10:17 pm 10:17 pm

All you cooky Republicans out there who are calling Obama’s tax plan Socialism..I have a question for you! Are you receiving social security or plan to get social security? I have news for you..social security is a tenet of the Socialist doctrine..so is medicare..you poopy, uneducated Republicans! you are losers because your man McCain is going to lose in November and lose big..most of you are going to crawl under a rag on November 5. Bill Clinton was called Socialist when he ran in 92′ and he balanced two budget and left us with a surplus..how is your man George Bush doing? Since most of you Republicans don’t read..let me educate you..we are in a big deficit and owe china trillions of dollars! McCain economics is similar to Bush..”trickle down” and nothing has trickled down to the middle class..hence the reason we are in this morass right now..10 Billion dollars a month to keep the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan..If you think that did not contribute to the economic slump that we are in right now..then you need schooling. You Republicans have run this country’s economy into the ground and had the nerve to raise signs in your so called convention that read “Country first”. Lets tax the rich and invest in the middle class..that is common sense economics and you can call it socialism all you like but the name calling is not going to work this time..you cooky Republicans! Get ready for President Barack Obama! Heaven help us all and save us from the Republicans

Posted by: Stanley | October 21, 2008, 10:19 pm 10:19 pm

I don’t know why we are arguing about welfare when Sarah Palin is such a big-time welfare recipient herself by making the Alaskan state fund her kids’ travel.
Regarding McCain/ Palin’s socialism charge, they have to convince us that Warren Buffet, an Obama supporter and adviser, supports socialism too.

Posted by: teddymaniac | October 21, 2008, 10:20 pm 10:20 pm

Natasha, Obama isnt marxist. His agenda is truly America first.
Posted by Bobba
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/palin-invokes-s.html?cid=135660873
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Reply to Bobba:
Obama’s political ideology is shaped by the “Carl Marx Doctrine” – do you even know what that is?
You are deeply confused my friend. McCain’s agenda is truly America first.
Obama’s agenda is truly his “Big Ego” first. (common characteristic among Marxist leaders).

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 10:23 pm 10:23 pm

Thank God for John McCain to get this snake Obama in check with his socialist plans.

Posted by: Smith | October 21, 2008, 10:27 pm 10:27 pm

The Republicans are good at calling people names..Socialists, Marxist, Liberal and others..When they don’t have a plan they resort to name calling. The labelled Bill Clinton a socialist and liberal in 92′ and he was a better president than George W! George W is the worst president we have ever had and if McCain is elected he will be just as bad because they both believe in the stupid trickle down voodoo economic theory..which does not work..No tax for the rich and taxing the middle class..One does not have to be a rocket scientist to know that that would not work..There are two kinds of Republicans 1. People who are very rich and 2. People who pretend to be rich. The pretenders are now flocking to vote for Obama because they are feeling the pinch and have realized the trickle down voodoo economics don’t work. Heaven help us all and save us from the Republicans!

Posted by: Stanley | October 21, 2008, 10:30 pm 10:30 pm

Bingo. Mr. Welfare. Mr. Liar. Mr. Obama.

Posted by: young_voter | October 21, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

You are deeply confused my friend. McCain’s agenda is truly America first.
It has become increasingly apparent that McCain is for McCain first.

Posted by: d | October 21, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

Nothing sticks to Obama. As a politician nothing gets tied to him. He has no fear of any mistakes because it just will not change anything. I am shocked that this Country could possibly put him in the White House with such a checkered past.

Posted by: Mark | October 21, 2008, 10:34 pm 10:34 pm

Smith, If Obama is a snake you must be a vermin..you pretender to be rich Republican! You don’t have a clue..you are clueless like McSame! “My friends” McCain. You Republicans are jokers and need a vowel..well let me give you one to begin..O OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA. Heaven help us all and save us from the Republicans!

Posted by: Stanley | October 21, 2008, 10:35 pm 10:35 pm

So Obama basically admits his tax plans reward people who dont even work!
What a joke!
Is Obama campaigning for US presidency or France?

Posted by: Greg h | October 21, 2008, 10:41 pm 10:41 pm

When you focus on the distribution of the pie and not growing the pie you will stifle the American economy.
Lets put it this way if you take 32,000 from a rich person they will not invest that amount into their business and they will not hire another employee. Now take that 32,000 and spread it out over 32 “poor” people, what are they going to do with it? Spend it at Walmart? Fill their gas tanks? In other words send the money to China or to OPEC? So in all the economy not only lost $32000 and sent it overseas, you have kept another job from being created.
Your argument? Why does the rich person get to spend that? Well people are greedy and when they have excess money they wanted to make more money out of it thats why people invest and save. When you hire a new employee you do it because you think you can “make” more money. The pie grows, maybe the rich slice got bigger faster but if the pie does not grow everyone is poorer, everyone.

Posted by: eric b | October 21, 2008, 10:53 pm 10:53 pm

“You Republicans have run this country’s economy into the ground blah blah blah…”
Posted by Stanley
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The Last Two Years
By Randall Hoven
The Obama/Biden ticket’s entire campaign theme is based on “the last eight years.” Maybe we should really look at “the last two years,” or the time period when both the House and the Senate were run by Democrats.
In December 2006, after six years of Bush and the last month before the Democrats took over both houses of the national legislature, a snapshot of our economy looked like this.
Unemployment stood at 4.4%.
Real GDP growth over the previous four years (under a Republican President, House and Senate) averaged 3% per year.
A gallon of regular gasoline cost $2.30.
The S&P 500 stock index stood at 1418, or 84% above its post-911 low and more than 7% higher than when Bush took office.
Every year of Bush’s Presidency, real (inflation-adjusted) disposable income per person went up. By the end of 2006, the average person was making 9% more in real terms than before Bush became President .
If you recall, that 2006 election was considered a referendum on Iraq. The people wanted change, so they threw out the Republicans and replaced them with Democrats. Welcome Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi.
Here is how they handled Iraq once in office: Harry Reid told us that the Iraq war was “lost” and the surge was not “accomplishing anything.” Senator Obama introduced legislation that would have prevented the surge and would have taken all US troops out of Iraq by March 2008 (that would be seven months ago, as you read this) .
Were they right?
Barack Obama now admits that “the surge succeeded.” So much for that change. And as the surge succeeded, Congress’s approval ratings plummeted. The latest CBS/New York Times poll has it at 12%, well less than half of the already low level it stood at when the Republican Congress was being tossed out in 2006.
The Democratic Congress did a great job, if what you’re looking for in a Congress is continual investigation of Republicans. Did the White House out CIA agent Valerie Plame? No, it was the anti-White House Richard Armitage at State, but Congress investigated anyway. Did Alberto Gonzalez, with White House urging, fire nine prosecutors for political reasons? Probably not, and it wouldn’t be a crime anyway, but Congress investigated, and is still investigating. Did the CIA, under orders from the White House, “torture” prisoners? No evidence of that yet, but Congress is on the case.
What Congress would not investigate was anything about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In fact, they fought against such investigations and cast aspersions against anyone who would even doubt the soundness of those institutions. Here is what Barney Frank said:
These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis. The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.
You can also see on video (see video URL below) how Democrats treated the regulators trying to reign in Fannie and Freddie.
But now we know what happened. Fannie and Freddie were run corruptly and ineptly and went bankrupt. Their $1.5 trillion portfolios had to be rescued by the government this year. Franklin Raines, the Clinton-appointed CEO of Fannie Mae who was vigorously defended by Congressional Democrats, was sued by government regulators for cooking the books to the tune of $10 billion to increase his own bonuses to the tune of tens of millions. He settled his suit for an estimated $25 million.
On the other hand, here is what the New York Times had to say in 2003 .
The Bush administration is rightly pushing for the Treasury Department to regulate the two giants, along with the network of federal home loan banks. Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae provide financing to lenders by creating a secondary market for mortgages. All told, these two institutions’ debt portfolio exceeds more than $1.5 trillion. Their current regulator is ill equipped to keep tabs on Freddie’s and Fannie’s sophisticated hedging strategies and the other financial moves they use to manage their huge investments.
And here is what John McCain said on the Senate floor:
For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac… I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.
So on the big things, the surge in Iraq and the failure of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac that led to our recent financial mess, the Democrats were wrong. Dead wrong. One hundred eighty degrees out wrong.
On the other hand, who supported the surge? George W. Bush and John McCain.
Who tried to strengthen the oversight and regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac? George W. Bush and John McCain.
In the case of the surge, Bush and McCain got their way. The result? Apparent victory in Iraq, a country that is now a democracy, at peace with its neighbors, no longer a WMD threat, no longer a terrorist sanctuary, and no longer filling hundreds of mass graves with hundreds of thousands of its own citizens.
In the case of Fannie and Freddie, Bush and McCain did not get their way – Barney Frank did. The result? The failure of Fannie and Freddie, law suits against their executives and the spark that sent banks failing and stocks falling across the globe to the point of threatening a Great Depression.
Let’s vote for change. Let’s undo what we did in 2006.
The Democrats’ Coverup Of The Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac Crisis (Video)
http://vodpod.com/watch/1038839-dems-refuse-to-reform-freddie-fannie-in-2004-video
American Thinker
http://www.americanthinker.com

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

You know whats so funny? 40% of WORKING americans make so little they pay no taxes or write it all off so they pay no taxes.
Saying you have to WORK means NOTHING because they will still pay no taxes and then get the credit refund which is STILL welfare.
Obama has to come out and say if you pay no taxes you get no check. Whats so difficult about that?

Posted by: infoseeking | October 21, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

OBAMA IS A FLIP FLOPPER.. IM NOT SURE HE UNDERSTANDS ANY OF THIS..
IF MCCAIN HAD FLOPPED LIKE THIS, IT WONT BE HEADLINED AS “OBAMA REVISED.”. THE MEDIA HEADLINES WOULD SCREAM FOUL.
OBAMA IS STILL MAKING IT UP AS HE GOES
ANYTHING THAT WORKS..NOT READY TO LEAD
ADD SOME MORE BIG GOVERNMENT TO MAKE SOCUIA;ISM GO AWAY.
DOES OBAMA HAVE A PLAN?
OBAMA ‘S SPIKED KOOLAID.
HE RENEGED ON THE CAMAPIGN FINANCING AND NOW THIS..

Posted by: TJ, THE CLINTONITE | October 21, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

Natasha, Social Security is not welfare in it’s strictest form. I paid into the system for 25 years, on a 6 figure income, and the government made interest on MY money all those years. I was stricken with MS, and became disabled. I weighted what I had paid in, plus interest, and what I draw, and the government is still ahead. Oh, and I opted out of all other hand-outs, and went BACK TO WORK! I don’t mind sorting things for a charity for a few bucks an hour, because I am tired of Senator Government telling me how they can run my life better than I can. Oh, and my Medicare premium of $97/month reflects the crappy coverage I get, and you guessed it, I pay the difference.

Posted by: sybilll | October 21, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

Is Obama campaigning for US presidency or France?
Posted by: Greg h
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Ahahaha! Poor Obama… he has no prayer in France either!
Even France has learned her lessons from years of FAILED SOCIALISM and elected a right wing conservative – CAPITALIST Nicolas Sarkozy!
The French call him…
“Sarkozy l’Americain”!….. :-)

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 11:03 pm 11:03 pm

hey jimmy boy…read the news. my president is going to tax you silly and give me and everyone else your “hard earned ” money.
you selfish a55. do you like that idea? listen up moron…
i will be buying LOTS of new toys (new computer/ ps3 /etc ) with YOUR tax dollars….hey if that bothers you THEN YOU MOVE ,take your money with you(and dont forget your fat racist family).
bye…

Posted by: bah | October 21, 2008, 11:04 pm 11:04 pm

Obama said that 95% of WORKING AMERICAN WILL RECEIVE A TAX CUT!!!!!
Now, McCain want to inject WELFARE!!!
When Bush sent out stimulus check to WORKING AMERICAN WASN’T THAT WELFARE??

Posted by: sisterdearest09 | October 21, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

http://taxcut.barackobama.com/?source=sem-pm-fts-jtp-search-us&gclid=CMLx94XsuZYCFQNHFQodFUhiLQ
see for self what the tax would be. Currently the tax on 250,000.00 is already 36% Obama’s tax plan would raise it to 39%, and that is only on the amounts over 280,000.00, the 250,000.00 will be taxed at the original 36% the 30,000.00 will be taxed at 39%. Get your facts straight and stop reading reports from republicans they are all lies.

Posted by: bb | October 21, 2008, 11:06 pm 11:06 pm

Palin receiving Welfare for her children and billing the taxpayers in Alaska!!!!
Nov. 4th = Obama\Biden08

Posted by: sisterdearest09 | October 21, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

I need to make some further checking, but if I’m not mistaken this tax plan is very similiar to the one Bill Clinton put into effect when he was in office – that when he left we were in the black.

Posted by: SmileAlready | October 21, 2008, 11:20 pm 11:20 pm

Natasha, Social Security is not welfare in it’s strictest form.
Posted by sybilll
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Sybill, I know that. The Wall Streey Journal article calls in general Barack Obama’s Tax Plan… “welfare”.
My concern is with Obama’s political ideology – he is more to the left than any person ever nominated in our country.
His agenda is in fact a “socialist/communist” agenda. I do have an issue when someone dictates to free people how much money they should or they should not have. All American people deserve a better life but “socialism” and “communism” is not the answer. We see how well people live in Cuba, or North Korea.
We saw the devastating effects of “European Socialism” – Europe at the moment is making a swift move to the right (Germany, France, etc), while here we want to risk our economy getting into an even deeper crisis with Obama’s New Experiment in Socialism/Communism.
We have all witnessed how devastating these political systems have been in other parts of the world. Let’s not make America the new “guinea pig” to test Carl Marx’s Doctrine here in our own land.

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 11:25 pm 11:25 pm

I guess that had to add the word (work) when common sense doesn’t work when you’re dealing in politics. Some people would rather have the top 5% of the country paying the least taxes, plus all the write offs and loop holes so some end up paying no taxes – and then on top of that they end up running the country. I’ve worked by whole life and never taken a hand out for anything and I’ve always paid more than my fair share and I only make around $50,000.

Posted by: SmileAlready | October 21, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Michelle is one ugly ass, angry militant racist gorilla, dontcha think?
ugggghh, go back to Kenya b*tch!

Posted by: MONKEY HOUSE | October 21, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

If Obama gets elected it will be the
end of the democratic party as we
know it……..

Posted by: MY ONLY VOTE | October 21, 2008, 11:28 pm 11:28 pm

Obama did say he wanted to spread the wealth. That IS socialism. Barack Hussein Obama, wrong on socialism, wrong for this nation.
Posted by: Liberals will follow him over cliff
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“From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”
Carl Marx
Hmmm, it sounds faniliar…
just like That One!

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 11:42 pm 11:42 pm

They were calling Obama a Marxist on the McGlauflin Report last night, even close associates of Obama say he is a Marxist..He will be defeated, he will not get the chance to destroy America
Posted by: common sense
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Yes, indeed! Marxist Obama will destroy America…
We will never allow America to become the land of Obama’s “USA: The New Communist Experiment”.
“American Union” (as in Soviet Union) our land shall never be.
Obama can take his “Ayers & Co” community organizing experience and go to Russia… to organize some Siberian Gulags!
This presentation is a must watch for the left-wing-liberal media clowns and all “morally sound” American fellows.
A VIDEO PORTRAIT OF BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
AMERICA THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 11:45 pm 11:45 pm

eric b,
According to your comments from above, that would mean that Republicans would create more jobs because they believe in this trickle-down theory (aka triple-dumb).
However, history has a different view on this for you. In almost all cases, the Democratic administration with their bubble-up or trickle-up economics have been far superior in creating jobs.
If you are interested, you can try looking here for more information:
http://www.laprogressive.com/2008/08/08/who-creates-jobs-democratic-presidents-do/

Posted by: Raymond | October 21, 2008, 11:46 pm 11:46 pm

I just got a call from my daughter on how she is being intimidated on her campus. I will NOT let my daughter grow up with a *regime*, instead of a government OF the people, FOR the people.

Posted by: sybilll | October 21, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

Obama learning the ropes as he is campaigning. Is this the guy we want representing us? He with all the money in the world cannot get policies right. With all the people he can afford giving him advice and still cannot get it right. Think is this the guy you want to run the country if a crisis hits the USA again?

Posted by: pbencosme | October 21, 2008, 11:49 pm 11:49 pm

come on ericb, Reagan inherited 21% interest rates, 12% inflation, and did NOT raise taxes. His program created 21,000,000 jobs.

Posted by: sybilll | October 21, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

At a time that Europe is awakening up – turning to the “right” after years of “failed socialism” it would be a crime to elect Marxist Obama as the next President of the United States of America.
Even France learned the lessons of its “failed socialism” and elected conservative Nicholas Sarkozy – a staunch friend of the United States. And here we are…Americans are about to let our country be destroyed by MARXIST BARACK OBAMA!
The following video is for the geopolitically savvy and morally sound American patriots – not for the “Obama Communist Youth”!
A most remarkable speech:
Video: Sarkozy’s Speech Before Congress (see below)
“France’s new leader Nicolas Sarkozy gave a speech before Congress that was, dare I say, almost…Reaganesque. He called America “the greatest nation,” among other platitudes.
You can view the whole thing here, and I really think you should all watch it.
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/video_sarkozys_speech_before_congress/
He speaks of America in such glowing terms that you almost wonder if he isn’t, in some ways, more American than certain Democrats I could think of.
What’s particularly interesting is that, years ago when the Bush presidency was new and Iraq was a fresh issue, the left told us constantly that George Bush was making America less popular in the world. Yet during the President’s term in office three of our traditional allies (Canada, Germany and now France) elected leaders that displaced virulently anti-Bush and anti-American leaders with people more of Sarkozy’s temperament (Stephen Harper in Canada and Angela Merkel in Germany).
Sort of almost seems like…that whole “less popular America” thing just isn’t true.”
http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/video_sarkozys_speech_before_congress/

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 11:51 pm 11:51 pm

Obama raised over $150 million in September…
“Wow. Do you know what could be done with that 150million. Why not spread the wealth around? I could use a little of that!”
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/stephanopoul-13.html?cid=135508891#comment-135508891
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In the mean-time he gives us “pretty speeches” about how much pain he feels for us – poor Americans! That’s is the same kind of “pain” that Lenin, Marx, Stalin, and many other “Saviors” felt for their “Comrades”.
Yeah, let’s distribute the wealth! Let’s start with Obama’s wealth first.
What the heck is wrong with half of the country? Since when the DemocRATS got so much wealth – enough to spread it to Obama’s campaign so that “Messiah Obama” can promote his “Big Ego” ???!!!

Posted by: Natasha | October 21, 2008, 11:56 pm 11:56 pm

I’m a typical lazy a$$ black on welfare, and my man Obama is going to give me more free money, like slave reparations from you white folk!

Posted by: bobo | October 21, 2008, 11:58 pm 11:58 pm

Natasha,
so because France’s new president likes the US, that automatically justifies saying that world opinion of the US has not changed. Maybe in your mind, but not in mine.
Perhaps this poll and the associated article will convince you otherwise:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/17/uselections2008-barackobama1

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 12:01 am 12:01 am

MY WIFEY WAS JUST TRYING TO SAY, SHE WOULD ONLY BE PROUD OF AMERICA IF GOOD OLE BUCKY WAS ELECTED PREZ. NOW DON’T BOTHER ME ASKING ABOUT ISSUES ANYMORE. (yes but mister president, it’s time for the State of the Union Address). WELL, JUST RUN THAT HOPE AND CHANGE CAMPAIGN SPEECH BY THOSE SUCKERS AGAIN.

Posted by: . | October 22, 2008, 12:03 am 12:03 am

Let’s see, the Democrats cost a financial melt down costing the world financial markets about 10 trillion dollars. Now Democrats talk about Palin’s charges that are legal expenditures. $10,000,000,000,000.00 vs. $21,012.00.
Obama spends millions of dollars on a housing project in Illinois that is unsafe and falling apart. $500,000,000.00 vs. $21,012.00.
Governor Sarah Palin sells the Alaskan governor’s jet that cost taxpayers’ into the millions for maintenance costs, inspections and hanger fees. $4,500,000 vs. $21,012.00. You see the children could have sat on the governor’s jet free, but you betcha Sarah knows that costs more than regular airfare. Sarah sold the jet.

Posted by: BalckJack | October 22, 2008, 12:04 am 12:04 am

I don’t understand why everyone thinks so highly of Bill Clinton. Have we forgotten what he did when he was in office? Adultery isn’t something to just forget. Not only did he do it but lied about it to begin with. What have we become? What’s wrong with standing up for what is right rather than our wallet.

Posted by: tr | October 22, 2008, 12:06 am 12:06 am

I guess you also blame the current crisis, in no small part due to the mortgage backed derivative meltdown on the Bush Administration also?
Guess what bro? Mortgage backed derivatives sank Kidder Peabody in the mid 1990s ( Clinton Lewinsky Administration ). Why didn’t the democrats act then?
Have you seen the footage of Sen. Schumer and Rep. Frank rambling against regulation on fannie and freddie? Truth hurts. You know why the democracts were so for the unabated operation of fannie and freddie? Because it allowed for more funding for banks to issue loans to ‘victims’ that didn’t have the ability to make their mortgage payments, in the event of an unexpected setback ( like rising food prices ). The other thing that it allowed was to allow the banks that made those loans to sell them and it allowed fannie and freddie to package them with other loans and sell them….around and around….worked fine, until people stopped paying.
Make no mistake, the Dems. were the main obstacles to reigning in the GSEs.
This is fact not reported by Ms. Couric, Mr. Gibson or the left wing thinktanks you embrace.
I’ll conclude: Democrats fervently opposed reigning in fannie and freddie because they believed that they effectively created homeownership for those that wouldn’t have had access to the same without their existence, because their risk could not and would not be accepted by a bank directly unless it was able to sell of the loan immediately, which they were able to do, because fannie and freddie were ‘off the rez.’ that’s right Concerned Idiot. I am an enrolled member of an American Indian Tribe….a typical blindly pro-democrat victim…only I got a little education.
Of course, don’t forget Sen. Osama’s role in advising Acorn, which, at the time, was protesting in local banks, bullying them, under auspices of the CRA to make home loans to ‘victims’ that couldn’t afford the terms of the loans they wanted the bank to make.

Posted by: American Indian Tribe Speaks | October 22, 2008, 12:09 am 12:09 am

– Bill Clinton. Have we forgotten what he did when he was in office? –
Same thing that many, many former presidents have done..
And don’t forget, the Republicans went on a witch hunt spending years and millions of dollars initially to try and discover financial wrongdoing on his part.. after all that time and money, that was the best they could come up with.. pretty pathetic if you ask me.
Can’t wait to see what a full investigation of Bush and Co. comes up with after he is given the boot.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 12:12 am 12:12 am

– I guess you also blame the current crisis, in no small part due to the mortgage backed derivative meltdown on the Bush Administration also? –
Nope, it was the removal of banking regulations that were in place since the 20′s that allowed them to package up mortgages and sell them as investments.
The bill that ultimately repealed the [Glass Steagall] Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (R-TX) and in the House of Representatives by James Leach (R-IA) in 1999. The bills were passed by a 54-44 vote along party lines with Republican support in the Senate and by a 343-86 vote in the House of Representatives. Nov 4, 1999: After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bipartisan bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90-8-1 and in the House: 362-57-15. Without forcing a veto vote, this bipartisan, VETO PROOF legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 12:15 am 12:15 am

– Of course, don’t forget Sen. Osama’s role in advising Acorn, –
He never advised ACORN.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

Racist men and male chauvinist FEAR Sarah Palin because they know she can succeed and that frightens men more than Obama’s questionable terrorist friendships. The world is changing and women are equal to men and men cannot take the competition. In all history, men have been the puppets for women.
There is a long list of successful women business leaders and successful women leading their country.
Michelle Bachelet, a moderate socialist who is Chile’s first female president and only the second woman ever elected to lead a South American nation, was sworn in last March. Reformer Ellen Johnson-Sirleaf, the first female president on the African continent, now runs Liberia and is helping to put Charles Taylor, the disgraced former president, on trial for war crimes and crimes against humanity related to the conflict in Sierra Leone. And Han Myung-sook, a former dissident who was once jailed as a political prisoner, became South Korea’s first female prime minister in April.
Margaret Beckett became the U.K.’s first female foreign minister in May, replacing Jack Straw, who had been Prime Minister Tony Blair’s key spokesman leading up to the war in Iraq. Also in May, Tzipora Livni was appointed as Israel’s second most powerful politician, adding the vice prime ministership title to her foreign ministry post. Dora Bakoyannis is the first women ever appointed to a senior cabinet position in Greece. Nigeria’s Ngozi Okonjo-Iweala, after a cabinet reshuffle in June, moved from her post as finance minister to foreign affairs; she is considered a presidential front-runner in the next election. Don’t forget the little giant that runs the Philippines, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo who deals with terrorists on a daily basis.
Women continue to gain ground running foreign affairs. Condoleezza Rice, for example, continued hammering away as the U.S.’s top diplomat, attempting to midwife a cease-fire in the Middle East as well as stitch together an international compromise to get Iran and North Korea back to the nuclear negotiating table.
On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted. The administration of Alaska’s governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan. This comes to about $741-million for state residents. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. That comes to about $741-million for state residents
For a family of 7 (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means an additional $22,400.00 in income sent from the state of Alaska. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!
Sarah Palin is more ready for the Washington, D.C. crowd than Obama. Obama has proven he cannot even take care of a simple housing project costing in excess of $500,000,000. How can YOU expect Obama to run the country?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
Obama gave the people in Illinois broken down housing and dangerous living conditions. Where did the money go? What pockets were filled with tax payers’
money from Washington, D.C.? We know where Governor Sarah Palin’s tax money is. The tax money is in the pockets of the residents of Alaska.
Sarah Palin is four times the better candidate when comparing to Obama. Obama who could not even run a housing project in Illinois. He will never be able to run a country that has a lot more houses.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
No to Obama……..BOOOOOO to Obama
A total of 30 women in our ranking of the World’s Most Powerful Women also have won top spots in government, up from 24 in last year’s ranking. Three of them were elected to the top job within the last year.
Racist men and male chauvinist FEAR Sarah Palin.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

Odd, I always thought that the economy was doing very well under Pres. Bush, in spite of 9-11, Iraq, and Afghanistan. But now I hear we’re not…
Hmmm, I must be mistaken.
Are we at war with Eastasia or Eurasia?

Posted by: Grand Old Party | October 22, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

Concerned American:
Of course, don’t forget Sen. Osama’s role in advising Acorn, which, at the time, was protesting in local banks, bullying them, under auspices of the CRA to make home loans to ‘victims’ that couldn’t afford the terms of the loans they wanted the bank to make.
You don’t know any different.

Posted by: American Indian Tribe Speaks | October 22, 2008, 12:20 am 12:20 am

Natasha, so because France’s new president likes the US, that automatically justifies saying that world opinion of the US has not changed. Maybe in your mind, but not in mine.
Posred by Raymond
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Ahaha! I look at the big picture. Whether you like to admit or not the facy is that our major allies (Canada, France, Germany) have replaced their SOCIALIST governments with right-wing-conservatives – oh yes CAPITALISTS, who like US very much.
I travel to Europe very often and am in a better position than many that never left the US to tell you what the current climate in our allied countries is – especially after the Russian invasion of Georgia.
Perhaps you should watch BBC World News (ask your cable/satellite company to carry it in addition to BBC America) or Deutsche Welle to get some serious news about what is happening in the world insatead of watching “mickey mouse news” on our 24-hour-news-for-dummies-networks.
How much our European allies trust and respect America is evidenced even more recently right in the midst of the global economic crisis. If you paid any attention, to which country did England, Germany France, Italy turned for leadership in the last few weeks? But of course to the United States of America! Have you noticed how much the dollar has surged against the euro in the last few weeks? Why do you think that it did? Because our allies know that after all is said and done in a global crisis situation it is the dollar and America that they trust. Our allies are not stupid to know that America will ne the first one to recover from the economic crisis. And that is because America has CAPITALISM not SOCIALISM – that Barack Obama wants to introduse to our land.
Left wing liberals – get a grip on reality. You have been listening to demagogue Barack Obama and his “pretty speeches” too long! WAKE UP!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 12:23 am 12:23 am

– Hmmm, I must be mistaken. –
Must be. Took unemployment up from 3.9% to 6.1%, set the record twice for the largest yearly deficit jumps in history, and has about sent us into depression.
As the National Bureau of Economic Policy (same guys who give us our GDP figures) says:
“Never in the history of modern economics has a large industrial country run persistent current account deficits of the magnitude posted by the U.S. since 2000.”
And in their analysis using the current tax poicy (remember, McCain wants to cut even more), the best case scenario would be a 21-to-28 percent depreciation in the value of the trade-weighted dollar and a considerable slowdown of the American economy. That is _best case_ and assumes that foreign governments will continue to let us borrow money the next several years.
That is why former fed chairman Volker supports Obama and his tax policy, and why Greenspan has come out and said he does not support McCains tax cuts.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 12:26 am 12:26 am

He [Obama] never advised ACORN.
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Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 12:28 am 12:28 am

Obama will say whatever to get elected and his past actions do not back up what he is promising now….Only an idiot hasn’t figured out that the guy is a compulsive liar and should never be trusted much less made president.

Posted by: chattyway | October 22, 2008, 12:29 am 12:29 am

The draft of our young men into the military will return with Obama. Therefore, all you mothers and grandmothers out there remember your vote for Obama drafted your sons and grandsons into the military. Here is why it will happen:
Michael F. Scheuer, the founding head of the CIA’s bin Laden unit: Senator Obama must have left a couple zeroes off his plan for reinforcements. Two brigades — which is about 6,000 men — will not make a lick of difference in Afghanistan, which is a country the size of Texas, with the highest mountains on earth, a hostile population, and a growing Islamist insurgency. If Obama starts talking about 100 brigades — about 300,000 men — then the public might be able to assume he means business. Otherwise, he is just blowing smoke. Obama and all the other candidates in the other parties constantly say that “we have tried the military option and it does not work.” This of course is a bald lie; U.S. military power has been used most daintily in Afghanistan and Iraq. If the military power we have delivered in both places so far is the best we can do, then American taxpayers have been monumentally swindled in the amount of taxes they have paid for their military during the past 25 years. And another billion dollars for aid for Afghan reconstruction would just be another billion wasted. It appears that Obama and his fellow candidates in both parties have not learned that programs for economic recovery, internal stability, and nation-building cannot be started with any hope of effectiveness and durability until the enemy has been definitively annihilated. If Obama is right and the military option has failed, then more aid is just throwing money away because — as all can see — the enemy is growing in size and ferocity and shows no signs of being on the edge of annihilation.
Moreover, Senator Obama has also advocated sending our U.S. military into Pakistan without the approval of the Pakistani government, invading the sovereign territory of a troubled partner in the war against terrorism. The military must expand to have troops in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan. Another reason to call on retired General Colin L. Powell. If you are young and you have cast an early vote for Obama, be sure to have a bag packed and your traveling shoes on your feet. You will be reporting to the nearest military induction center for your assignment to go to basic training. It will make a man of you.
Democrat President LB Johnson used Vietnam to enrich the industrial-military-complex. Moreover, the Vietnam War helped LB Johnson with the unemployment problem. Sounds cruel and unreal, but it is a historic fact.
Then there is the opportunity to draft women into the national service of many different jobs. You never heard of the national service program that Colin Powell and Barack Obama think is a great idea. Obama will be full of surprises because Democrats want to control people. Of course, that is not socialism, but then I do not know what to call it. Demsoism may be a good name.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 12:31 am 12:31 am

Stop raising taxes, stop giving out to druggies, cut benefits (money) to stupid things–such as Acorn and the Billions we give each year to Africa (Obama plans on raising the money given out) and sit down and create a budget and stick to it just like they do individual idiots that over spend. Cut all that is possible, pay off the debt, and allow the economy to grow.

Posted by: chattyway | October 22, 2008, 12:32 am 12:32 am

Posted by: American Indian Tribe Speaks | Oct 22, 2008 12:20:49 AM
Keep clinging.. your ship is going down and the character attacks just expedite it! Pathetic..

Posted by: gdb | October 22, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

Can you ask the Senator to provide:
1. His transcripts at Occidental.
2. His transcripts at Columbia and at least show some of his friends.
3. His thesis at Harvard. Any writing?
4. Any student loans records?
You know these colleges aren’t CHEAP!
Obama did not attend these colleges on scholarships.
Why doesn’t Obama provide the public with this info?
Something to hide? health record?
Posted by: Voter In America
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/stephanopoul-13.html?cid=135508891#comment-135508891
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Reply to Voter in America:
He is the “Chosen One” – the “Messiah” we have all been waiting for – “God’s Gift to America” per Bela Pelosi….
You are asking too many questions my friend… Barack Obama is above any suspision. How many questions do you think Carl Marx ever answered?
CNN reported last week that McCain has released ALL his medical records. Obama has refused to do so. He has only released an one page “Doctor’s note” that says that he is in good health. (like those notes kids bring to school when they are out sick ..)
The pathetic left-wing-liberal media has talked again and again about Senator McCain and his wife’s medical health issues. Why media Morons are not digging to Barack Obama’s refusal to release ALL his medical records?
What? Is he mentally ill and trying to hide it???!!!
The media and the Obama campaign operatives were bitching about Cindy McCain and Sarah Palin to release their tax returns…. But the same Morons have not once questioned why Obama is not releasing the information you have asked in your comment, especially his medical records.
Have we seen his Birth Certificate yet?

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 12:33 am 12:33 am

Ah natasha.. I see you still haven’t managed to come up with a single thought on your own.. Still waiting to hear your defense of McCains health plan.. what has it been now, over a week?

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 12:35 am 12:35 am

gdb:
Truthful facts always bring out the best lies from Obama supporters.

Posted by: American Indian Tribe Speaks | October 22, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am

– You are asking too many questions my friend… Barack Obama is above any suspision. –
I guess so, given that the FBI has now moved on from the candidates to their anticipated staff choices.
So much for your ‘wont pass a background check’ theory.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 12:37 am 12:37 am

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 12:38 am 12:38 am

– Truthful facts always bring out the best lies from Obama supporters. –
And, in your best words, what does ACORN have to do with either candidate? Simply shows you bought into the Roveian tactics being employed by the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am

Joe Biden said he would be honored to run on the ticket with John McCain because, quote, “the country would be better off.” And here we have some common ground. I want a president who spent 22 years in uniform defending our country. I want a president who isn’t afraid to use the word “victory” when he talks about the wars we are fighting. I want a president who’s ready on Day One. I want a president with the experience and the judgment and the wisdom to meet the next international crisis – or better yet to avoid it. I want John McCain as our commander-in-chief.
We tried taking the words of Joe Biden out of context, but the words always have the same meaning, John McCain as our commander-in-chief.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am

Ahh, the rabid right are out in full force tonight.. I guess the numbers must of slipped a bit then. Fun to watch them twitch and squirm..

Posted by: sammie | October 22, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am

Posted by: k | October 22, 2008, 12:42 am 12:42 am

Zero is a socialist. It’s not a charge.
Karl Marx’s ideals are carved into Zero’s bones, just as they are carved on Marx’s tombstone.
If you do not understand, google it and you will find where Zero’s “change” comes from and what it means.
Posted by: d0 |
———————————-
Carl Marx quote:
“I am not a Marxist”
Zero is a Marxist but neither he nor his followers (the sheep) will ever admit it.

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 12:44 am 12:44 am

Biden was right about one thing.
A few months ago he said Obama wasn’t ready to be president.

Posted by: tom | October 22, 2008, 12:47 am 12:47 am

– Zero is a Marxist but neither he nor his followers (the sheep) will ever admit it. –
Apparently only a Russian moose hunter will even suggest it.. funny the irony.

Posted by: sammie | October 22, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

Concerned American:
Then it is true about the Gallup pole that indicates Obama supporters have less education.
If someone must make the connections for you, that means you don’t know the facts that are in front of you. You should read more Joe Biden reports on Obama. Joe Biden knows what he’s taking about when it comes to Obama

Posted by: American Indian Tribe Speaks | October 22, 2008, 12:48 am 12:48 am

Concerned American
“Rovian Tactics?”
Excuse me but there hav been several articles that are below the radar about how Obama and his media people are proud to have executed Rovian tactics to the letter… you may think you want Obama but you know not the kind of stuff you will bring on

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 12:49 am 12:49 am

American Indian Tribe
this is all a convoluted mess Biden and Hillary know somethign we dont abotu Obama but as a credit to ACORNand other financiers which is was reported today that several inddividual big donors have violated the 2300 max contribution levels for a campaign they can laugh it off all they want but you cannot run a sleazy underhanded campaign twice and have it work… those being Bush 2000 and Obama 2008

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 12:52 am 12:52 am

sammie:
I hope you are eligible for the military draft, so you can twitch and squirm your way through basic training and the WAR in the Middle East.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 12:53 am 12:53 am

Ok I need to get this straight, he updated his tax plan for political expediency and you idiots think that this is ok, for weeks he has been denying McCains claims that this plan would give to people who were not paying taxes and the campaign denied it, and now he updates the plan to buffer McCain’s claim? You people have really drank the kool-aid, let that had been McCain the media and his dumb bots would be all over it.

Posted by: kim | October 22, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am

What we are seeing is a historic event in America. Never have we seen such movement from the Republican party voting for a Democratic president. The reasons are profound, and the significance is great. Even the Chicago Tribune, who has never endorsed a democratic presidential nominee in its 136 year history, and whos original leader was one of the founders of the GOP, now fully supports and endorses Obama (even though they endorsed McCain in the primaries).
This will be an election you can be proud to have participated it. One you can tell your children and grandchildren about. No mater what side you are on, you are witnessing history in the making, and if you happen to be on the wrong side of history, you can always leave that part out when you tell the kids!
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-chicago-tribune-endorsement,0,1371034.story?track=email-alert-breakingnews

Posted by: Truth | October 22, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am

TOO BAD McCAIN!
The Alzheimer’s is kicking in (flubbing his lines in his speech in western PA today), then Palin made a fool out of herself on Saturday night live, and then got caught red handed stealing from the State of Alaska, again!
then after the BIG Powell endorsement on Sunday, this is just looking like a bad week for you and the rest of the Republicans, huh?
And as you ERRATICALLY shift from position to position, from attack to different attack on a daily basis, it doesn’t look good for you anymore…
Just think on Thursday you are going to get your A** handed to you by Obama’s Grandma!!!!
Just think of all those seniors across the country thinking, what a good grandson Obama is!!!!
Say goodbye John!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 12:56 am 12:56 am

I have posted it on other websites and haven’t got an answer. I probably won’t get one here either.
Why is John McCain better in foreign policy than Barack Obama, because personally I don’t think he is?
John McCain became a POW in Vietnam and gave military secrets to the enemy. Does this make him more qualified to make foreign policy decisions?
Does the fact that he has 21 years of doing the same thing as Obama has for 3 years make him more qualified to make foreign policy decisions?
I don’t think so. You know what I think makes for better foreign policy. Actually, having a chance to speak with the world leaders that you will be working with as President. Guess what? Obama did that earlier this year and many thought it was a bad idea that he met with world leaders without being POTUS. How is meeting with world leaders that you will need to work with if you are elected POTUS a bad thing?

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 12:59 am 12:59 am

Blackjack
thats what all this obamamania is about a thinly veiled attempt of viet nam era hippies to keep their kids out of WWIII Im sure there are more and better high minded causes to vote for someone in an election

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:00 am 1:00 am

sammie don’t worry, Obammy has a plan for you his rabid supporter.
You’ll be drafted, but the army will make a man out of you, don’t worry.

Posted by: barb | October 22, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am

if you don’t believe mccain gave military secrets to the enemy in vietnam, just look at his own admission in an article that he wrote for the US News and World Report.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html?PageNr=2

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am

Truth:
You mean the children that Obama will draft into the military to fight in the Middle East. War looms if Obama is elected president and it is you that help support it.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am

Kim
thats what this is is a bad replay of Jim Jones and the kool-aid in guyana I have done my part and voted for Mccain in a swing state to keep Obama out of the white house and millions should follow suit…even though it was againt my self interests..

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:02 am 1:02 am

– to keep their kids out of WWIII –
Wow, I’ve never heard anyone who actually wants to see another war.. particularly a world war.. but yes, McCain has a much greater chance to enter the US in that kind of scenario, and a very valid reason, along with his wrong tax policy, wrong health plan, wrong economy policy, wrong energy policy etc.. to not vote for him and instead for Obama and the future of America. Good point!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am

PUTIN IS ON THE PHONE? TELL THAT BRO TO WAIT A MINUTE, UNTIL I CAN STOP STUTTERING. WHAT? NUCLEAR MISSLES HEADED THIS WAY? TELL HIM I HAVE A PLAN FOR HOPE AND CHANGE, AND I’LL GET BACK TO HIM AS SOON AS I FIGURE IT OUT!
Posted by: k
—————————-
Ahahahaha!….. :-)
Loin-Girding 101
Joe Biden wants you to gird your loins. Here’s how to do it.
At a Seattle fundraiser on Sunday, Democratic vice-presidential nominee Joe Biden warned supporters that, if elected, Barack Obama will be tested by “an international crisis” early on in his first term. He also advised the crowd to “gird your loins,” since the tasks ahead for the next president will be “like cleaning the Augean stables, man.” What’s the best way to follow Biden’s advice?
With a belt. To gird means to bind or encircle, and loins refers to the area between your hips and ribs. (Note: In this case, loins does not refer to the genitals, as with Nabokov’s “light of my life, fire of my loins.”) So, “to gird your loins” means, literally, to wrap a belt around your waist so that your clothes don’t flop around. The phrase stems from the Bible and is scattered throughout both the Old and New Testaments—composed during notoriously floppy sartorial eras. When Elijah “girded up his loins” (1 Kings 18:46), he was probably wearing a knee-length robe. It’s likely that he fastened a cord tightly around his waist, then shortened his garment by pulling it up and letting it flounce over the belt. Or he might have taken the hem of his robe and tucked it into his belt, creating a makeshift pouch or pocket.
Romans prepping for a fight also needed to gird their loins. Especially if he needed to ride a horse, a Roman might have gathered up the skirtlike portion of his outfit, passed it through his legs, and fastened the whole mess with a girdle (a leather belt, basically, also used to hold tools or weapons).
Biden, of course, was advising his supporters to gird their loins in the figurative sense—that is, to brace themselves for a test of mental or emotional endurance. He was perhaps unintentionally echoing the apostle Peter, who recommended “girding up the loins of your mind … and [setting] your hope perfectly on the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ” (1 Peter 1:13). Also, Paul, who in the Epistle to the Ephesians, mentions “having your loins girt about with truth” (Ephesians 6:14).

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 1:03 am 1:03 am

Obama changes tax plan? Now? 13 days before election? Is that from his heart? From his brain? Or just a trick trying to get votes? If he knows economy, how come he doesn’t know this long time ago?
Erratic!!!

Posted by: golfgirlusa | October 22, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

– War looms if Obama is elected president and it is you that help support it. –
Can you give us next weeks lotto numbers also? NY and FL would be sufficient..
Thanks.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:04 am 1:04 am

People need to wake up. Obama is not talking about taking Joe the Plumbers money and giving it to people without jobs. That is ridiculous and untrue. He is talking about Mega rich people who are raking in obscene profits while paying their workers minimum wage. If they complain too loud about the low wages, they look for workers in India or China to do the work so they can make even higher profit.
Think about the Walmart hiers making billions a year while their workers can’t pay rent. Think about mortgage and finance CEO’s with paychecks of 487 million over three years while they rape homeowners. Think about Oil execs making 500 billion a year in profit while they bleed America dry.
Wake up people. These mega rich 1-5% don’t let ANYTHING trickle down. They rape the American worker for everything they can and they DON’T PAY TAXES! They write off losses, find every loophole and then have folks like McCain subsidize them. AND YES … paying taxes is patriotic!! It is how we fund America. The problem is that the middle class carries the burden while the mega-rich carry off the rewards.

Posted by: DaveinColorado | October 22, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

McCain was never cleared at that level to give any military secrets. More Obama lies.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

blackjack
its just another example of convuluted logic that these people have… none of it makes any sense and they still lack gratitude for any effforts on Obamas behalf by the Clintons… at the very least Hillary should be the next majority leader and Bill amb to the UN or replace Hillary as senator when she takes a high position in Obamas admin

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:05 am 1:05 am

Sorry, I forgot to give you the link… :-)
Loin-Girding 101
Joe Biden wants you to gird your loins. Here’s how to do it.
http://www.slate.com/id/2202769/

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 1:06 am 1:06 am

Natasha: [2.78] And there arc among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:07 am 1:07 am

HEY REPUBLICANS!
For the past few days you all said the polls were narrowing and McSenile was catching up…
So what happened? Apparently that is not the case, as the polls are WIDENING an Obama is up 10-14% now in the latest national polls!
Looks like all that Ayers and Acorn stuff didn’t work huh?
Face it you fools Obama has a TEFLON coating in the FINAL STRETCH! Nothing sticks to him.
Get used to it Republicans as you embark on the final death march to election day, with your leader McCryptkeeper and his squeeze the lying Moose with lipstick!!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 1:08 am 1:08 am

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:09 am 1:09 am

DAMN IT, WILL YOU TELL THEM TO WAIT A MINUTE? I NEED TO FINISH MY SMOKE IN THIS HEAR BATHROOM IN THE WHITEYHOUSE, I’LL BE RIGHT UP THERE FOR THAT MEETING IN A MINUTE! OH TELL MY KIDS TO QUIT SWINGING FROM THE CHANDELIERS TOO! AND DON’T LET ANYONE IN THE LINCOLN BEDROOM, WE ARE HAVING A CRACK PARTY AND GAY SEX!

Posted by: BUCKY NOBAMA | October 22, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

Blackjack,
I don’t think US News and World Report is making up this article that John McCain himself wrote in 1973:
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/2008/01/28/john-mccain-prisoner-of-war-a-first-person-account.html?PageNr=2

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 1:10 am 1:10 am

Davis
you are dumb as a post like always… yes Obama is leading in the hypothetical Electoral matchups but you cant telll the real one till election day and the national polls without any news source collaboration like newsweek are tightening.. because at newsweek they take a greater sampling of democrats than repubs or independants..thats the gods truth but you wouldnt know anything about God!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:11 am 1:11 am

The Boston Herald
October 11, 2008
It is what it is: Obama allied with scoundrels
In the best tradition of Bill Clinton’s declaration that the answer to the question of whether he was having an affair depended on “what the definition of is is,” Sen. Barack Obama was clearly concealing the truth when he said that William Ayers was “just a guy who lives in my neighborhood.”
The Ayers-Obama connection was, in fact, an intimate collaboration that it led to the only executive or administrative experience in Obama’s life.
After Walter Annenberg’s foundation offered several hundred million dollars to American public schools in the mid-’90s, Ayers applied for $50 million for Chicago. His purpose was to “raise political consciousness” in schools.
After he won the grant, Ayers’ group chose Obama to distribute the $50 million, and the future senator raised another $60 million from other civic groups to augment it. In doing so, he was following Ayers’ admonition to grant the funds to “external” organizations, like American Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), to pair with schools and conduct programs to radicalize and politicize the students.
Reading, math and science achievement tests counted for little in the grants, but the school’s success in preaching a radical agenda determined how much money it got.
Obama should have run screaming at the sight of Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn. Ayers has admitted bombing the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon, and his wife was imprisoned for failing to cooperate in solving the robbery of a Brink’s car in which two police were killed. Far from remorse, Ayers told The New York Times [NYT], in September 2001, that he wished he “could have done more.” Ayers only avoided conviction when the evidence against him turned out to be contained in illegal wiretaps. He was, in fact, guilty as sin.
So let’s sum up Obama’s Chicago connections. His chief financial supporter was Tony Rezko, now on his way to prison. His spiritual adviser was the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, of “God damn America” fame. And the guy who got him his only administrative job is former terrorist Ayers.
Not a good recommendation for a president.
© The Boston Herald and Herald Media.
http://www.bostonherald.com/news/opinion/op_ed/view.bg?articleid=1124922

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

Here’s is Obama’s plan:
Obama points to China and says, “Look at China and all the great things they are doing.” Obama forgot to mention the Chinese living in large cities earn about $330.00 per year, work on average of ten or more hours a day and NO holiday time. Just call the Democrats COOLIES.
The Nameless City Worker (Because the worker FEARS for their life.)
Jobs in the city pay more than jobs at the factories. However, the cost of living in the city is much higher as well. It’s not uncommon to find 4 or 5 people sharing a small apartment. Most unskilled jobs in Shanghai pay 1000 to 2000 RMB per month. Because of the low wages for unskilled workers, businesses create a lot of redundancy by employing a bunch of them. The restaurant industry is a prime example. They’ll have multiple greeters at the door and who knows how many more waiters inside. On our train ride to Suzhou, there was a greeter at every single train car.
Democrats would make really great greeters, but then there are the unskilled city worker that may have access to far more entertainment choices than one of the 250,000 workers at the iPod factory, they generally don’t make enough to really entertain themselves.
Nothing like Obama socialism that taxes the rich capitalist companies. Those rich capitalist companies can give Americans jobs if their taxes are kept low. When Obama calls for higher taxes of the great American corporations, then they can do it better in China for much less the cost. Of course, you will not be able to buy those cheap Chinese goods because you will not have a job, no health insurance, no house, no car, no money in the bank, no food, no education, no way to plan for a future. Gee Obama, your programs are really great, if a person can live as an insect. Not to mention that there will be very few working people to receive those tax reductions. Let’s see, that will leave the very wealthy and the poor. There will be NO MIDDLE CLASS.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 1:13 am 1:13 am

– yes Obama is leading in the hypothetical Electoral matchups but you cant telll the real one till election day –
So true.. that is why we are continuing our efforts to convert first time voters who were going to vote McCain for irrational reasons like ‘their parents were republicans’ or ‘he was a POW’ over to Obama voters. We sent over 3000 first time voters to the polls today alone.. 99% were voting Obama.
Isn’t America great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am

Bucky
yep it wont be quite that bad and Obama is with a wink and a nod promising not to let a circus like Jesse Jackson jr or Al sharpton in the white house but that wouldnt be his perrogative since there will be certain demands made by the african american power base

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:14 am 1:14 am

– There will be NO MIDDLE CLASS. –
I would agree the above if we kept up with our current redistribution from the middle class to the wealthy.. the top 1% already controls almost 40% of our wealth, and McCain would like to widen that even more.
Thank goodness that America will finally speak up in numbers and stop that flow.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:16 am 1:16 am

Concerned American
dont you dare turn my words on me there is no proof and there is no reality in your first time voter theory… I live in a swing state tradiionally republican and I voted against my partyto keep Obama out of the white house … millions of others will do the same and offset new voters end of story… that scmuck Chucky T at MSNBC etc are just placating you Obama hardcore people because they dont want riots on election day

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:17 am 1:17 am

HOW FUNNY to see the Republicans squirming and twisting, trying to escape the ever tightening jaws of death, as the election approaches….
One petty false attack after another. Each day a new ERRATIC position for the McDeath campaign…
Nothing works, as the precious days tick by and McCain and that lying thief Palin desperately grasp at straws as they go down for the final count on November 4th, isn’t payback a Bi*ch??
What’s wrong McCain cries? Nothing sticks to this guy!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 1:18 am 1:18 am

Blackjack
absoultely it was frivolous for workign class people to vote against their self interest for Bush in 2000 and 2004 but now we must all do it because the alternative will give us even less money

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am

This switch on the tax plan to make it look like a pandering payoff scheme for socialists. OK, the socialist part they are working on, the pandering part remains. I doubt there will be any news on that.
I am waiting for the story to break on the reason that one wants huge numbers of registered voters is to cover fraud done at the precinct level. The idea is to move counts to very high levels in precincts. The problem with that in previous elections is that the counts some time were larger than the number of registered voters. The fix for that is to have tons of bogus registered voters.
Of course, the election is already done. That is why Obama has gone to Hawaii. With the absentee numbers fixed, the election is over. No reason to stick around – Obama has taken – and America will survive.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 1:19 am 1:19 am

Raymond:
Look at McCain’s rank and his position prior to being captured. McCain had common knowledge and nothing so secret to bring down the United States.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

The Middle Class is not eroding by the Upper Class. It’s eroding by the merging of the Lower Class with the Middle Class.
—————————-
What you end up with is no longer a Meritocracy, but a Monarchy of the Merchants over the collective Surfdom.
Vote in Obama’s bottom up solution and that’s what you get, period.

Posted by: Marc | October 22, 2008, 1:20 am 1:20 am

JG,
That is one of the most ignorant comments I have read. Just like a Republican to think that everyone that is for Obama wouldn’t know anything about God. Last time I checked the leader of Christians is supposed to be Christ, not the Republican Party.
Christians are registered Independents, Democrats, and Republicans. You Republicans that make your decision for President based on one issue think every Christian has to make their choice on this one issue. I have some news for you. We don’t and many of us are not going to.
I am a registered Independent who is a Christian and I will be voting for OBAMA.

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

– there is no proof and there is no reality in your first time voter theory.. –
Proof is in the bus loads we sent today.. believe what you like. University students who are intelligent and open minded.. 99% of the time, once presented with each candidates education and position on the issues, former McCain voters change their decision and wind up voting for what is best for their future. Of course, these voters are not old enough to have developed deep seated intolerance issues like many people, which is understandable.
– I live in a swing state tradiionally –
Same here.. and one that has just tipped towards Obamas favor. And if Obama wins this state, the election is a slam dunk.
Isn’t america great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:21 am 1:21 am

Davis
the jig is up… everone knows eratic is a buzzword the media people for Obama came up with as a talking point… we will be them at their game and it is already happening… Kerry was ahead in 2004 before the election and there will be a dramatic shift towards Mccain in the last few days

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am

HEY DAVIS, GUESS WHAT YOU IDIOT?
YOU CAN PUT LIPSTICK ON MICHELLE, BUT IT’S STILL A GORILLA!
HAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted by: ZEROBAMA | October 22, 2008, 1:22 am 1:22 am

Concerened american
you are entitled to your opinion but “busloads” of people who may or may not be legally registered is suspect thats what happned in the primaries after Hillarys strategy in the caucuses gifted Obama with somethign he couldnt do on his own… we will defeat Ob ama and you will be bumfuzzled..ACORN is relevant people have been stealing elections forever but Obama is complicit with ACORN period

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:25 am 1:25 am

zerobama
HA HA.. good one! the real danger for these Obama people is trying to be too cute people can see through that

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:27 am 1:27 am

Everyday the MOMENTUM just increases for Obama, along with the poll numbers!!!
Now do you see Republicans, what a well run campaign MACHINE looks like as it rolls right over you fools?
Obama’s Chicago machine has opened and is delivering the biggest can of whoopass the Republicans have ever seen.
And they still don’t understand why their ANGRY MOBS and petty attacks can’t stop it!
Do you fools get it yet, why Obama will do a better job of running America than you petty, unorganized ERRATIC idiots??

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am

Raymond
Im a democrat so you are wrong on so many levels

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:28 am 1:28 am

Davis
any words you write here can be used aainst you… you just admitted that the Chicago machine is rigging the election for Obama

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:29 am 1:29 am

Marc
yep can you say “middle ages” maybe thats what the the Obama-nostradamus connection is all about

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am

JG,
If you are a Democrat then you must be one of the last remaining PUMA insects then…
I thought all you cockroaches got exterminated!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 1:31 am 1:31 am

– the jig is up… everone knows eratic is a buzzword the media –
Ok, how about unpredictable, unstable, capricious, tendency for knee-jerk reactionary responses, short fuse, temperamental, flies off the handle, irrational, lack of composure, and lets not forget his advanced age and based on recent events, starting to develop signs of serious thought process impairments.
In other words, the opposite of Obama.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:32 am 1:32 am

– you are entitled to your opinion but “busloads” of people who may or may not be legally registered is suspect –
You keep grasping at whatever it takes to calm your obviously fearful mind. And fear not, they were registered voters, proof of which was required in order to participate. But thank you for your concern.
Isn’t America great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am

Today
its not over till its over… and yes we will survive but 3 straight elections of fixing things is too much… the far left dems think they are due this because of the last two but your supposed to turn the other cheek and take it and not cheat yourself

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:34 am 1:34 am

Concerned american
you cant prove that their registrations were valid you have no power .. whitout actual numbers you could just be a paid Obamabot tryingto infuence people

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:35 am 1:35 am

JG,
Nobody is rigging anything…
Obama’s tough Chicago machine is just crushing you Republican Rove idiots!!
After November 4th, the Republicans are going to have to look up just to see down!!
We are going to take ALL the power away from you fools for a generation!!
Time for all you Republicans and your leader McDeath to take a nice long DIRT NAP!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am

Yes, do not be so irresponsible to vote for someone just because someone makes campaign promises. Just look at their background, their friends, their church and try to find that which is good. Obama does not have the good with the terrorists’ friends and a church that speaks anti-American rhetoric. A look into Obama’s mind will reveal his past associations and the way he looks at life. There are things that even Obama hides because it will destroy his opportunity to become president. A person is the sum of their teachers and Obama had teaching of anti-American and terrorists for friends.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 1:36 am 1:36 am

Concerned american the bottom line is we will get the best of you and youre the one who is scared

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:37 am 1:37 am

I continue to be surprised at how mean spirited the Obama crowd is – especially as they have already won. One can imagine how they would be if they were losing.
I expect nazi like purges once they fully gain power.
Pelosi, Reid, Barney Franks, Chuck Schumer – all of them will pick up a huge power base through this. I am kind of surprised that McCain did not stick Obama to them the way Obama stuck Bush to McCain. Poorly run campaign. Romney would have probably taken it given the financial mess.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am

– you cant prove that their registrations were valid you have no power –
True, so if they got to the polls and tried to vote they would have been turned away.
– .. whitout actual numbers you could just be a paid Obamabot tryingto infuence people. –
The only payment I receive is the reward in knowing what I am doing is in the best interest of this country and the future of my children.. but again, thanks for your concern.
Isn’t America great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am

If Obama is able to buy this election with the help of the MSM, I’ll be flying my American flag upside down for as long as his regime is in power.

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am

– Concerned american the bottom line is we will get the best of you and youre the one who is scared –
LOL – Ok, if you say so :)

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:38 am 1:38 am

One would have to have the cerebral capacity of a cockroach to buy into Obama’s inspirational BS. The man has a resume that could be printed on a postage stamp and he thinks he’s qualified to be the leader of the free world. We already have an unqualified idiot in that job and sure as hell don’t need another one.

Posted by: pat | October 22, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am

– I’ll be flying my American flag upside down –
You should already be doing so.. this Country has been in distress for some time now.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:39 am 1:39 am

– We already have an unqualified idiot in that job and sure as hell don’t need another one. –
Keyword in that sentence: “Idiot”
And yet, you apparently support dumb and dumber.. go figure!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:40 am 1:40 am

blackjack
I heard someone on a more left newsoutlet say tonight that Obama shouldve denounced Wright from the outset and not disowned him the day after he humiliated him… there are real connections and apparently the obamabots are taking their chances with impeachment proceedings after Obama is elected there are much stronger cases that lying about sex here which is what the Obamabots who have children born about 1990 have a grudge with the clintons on… Clintons Impeachment wasnt a story then and isnt now but voter fraud and church/poltical fundraising connections is

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

Natasha: [2.78] And there arc among them illiterates who know not the Book but only lies, and they do but conjecture.
Posted by: Concerned American
————————————
Hey BOZO- how did you do on “The Dumb Test”?
You may want to take it again…perhaps you will do better second time around… :-)
The Dumb Test
http://www.quizrocket.com/dumb-test/1?tr=Take%20the%20DUMB%20TEST!&tr=Hey%20Dummy!!!!!&trt=9&gatherer_id=100522&utm_source=ValueClick&utm_medium=Pop&utm_campaign=DumbTestR1

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

I have to give Obama an A+ on BS. He has all the parasites, mooches and bums believing that he is actually going to do something for them.

Posted by: Hippie Smasher | October 22, 2008, 1:41 am 1:41 am

concerned american
you are portraying false outrage you arent really that bad off

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:42 am 1:42 am

“We already have an unqualified idiot in that job and sure as hell don’t need another one. ”
You can say that again. I can just imagine what the inauguration would look like with Ayers, Dohrn, Pfleger, Sharpton, Farrakhan, Pelosi, Frank, Schumer, Dodd and Reid all up on stage giving real Americans the finger.

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 1:43 am 1:43 am

JG, today,
Just wait until Thursday and Friday when McSenile has his A** handed to him by Obama’s Grandma!!!
All the seniors across America that were on the fence leaning towards Obama will be saying “what a good Grandson Obama is” as he visits his Grandma in Hawaii!!!
And if McNasty makes just one crack about Obama or his visit to her, there will be a stampede of Grand parents running to the polls to vote for Obama!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am

sorry JG.
That comment you made to me sounded so much like the comments I have received from Christian friends stating that the only party that real Christians should vote for is the GOP.
When you made the comment that Davis wouldn’t know about God, it seemed like more of the same that I have been hearing from friends of mine and reading from all over the Internet.

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 1:44 am 1:44 am

Mack – I agree. The fix is already in. The huge bogus registrations cover the fraud in the count. Obama counties will have huge counts. The princeton prof the other day showed how the machines can be hijacked in 5 minutes.
In previous elections the counts were higher than the number of registered voters. This covers all of that.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Hippie smasher
AMEN! they are naive and 2 days before the election they are going to realize what theyve done and watch the wave of real voters come in that actually know something about politics and real world implications of elect ions these are the stoners that slept through civics! For the last time Obama isnt going legalize drugs in Oregon or anywhere else for that matter!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:45 am 1:45 am

Natasha,
we have seen his birth certificate. it is all over the internet and this is just an attempt to say he isn’t eligible for POTUS.
If he wasn’t eligible, don’t you think that perhaps one of his Democratic primary opponents would have made that known.
Barack Obama was born in the US and is eligible to be POTUS:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
Posted by: Raymond
———————————–
Oh! Not so fast my dear…There is a lawsuit filled in Philadelphia challenging Obama’s birth certificate! What’s the matter? The “Mickey Mouse Media” you are watching did not tell you about that?!
Do not worry- we can always impeach him after he is elected, since the results of many invstigations will not become known until after the election.

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 1:47 am 1:47 am

Today
absoultely Im sure Robert Gibbs and Axelrod studied how Rove did it in 2000 and 2004 in Fl in 2000 the sec of state personally rebooted voting machines in the questionable counties and Mr Bus was seen in the governors mansion saying “but Jeb told me it was taken care of” its no conspiracy or coincidence just fact

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:48 am 1:48 am

Sorry Mack and nasty Natasha,
Your petty little BS attacks won’t work anymore and there is no point even countering them anymore, as ERRATIC McNasty will just give up and change them tomorrow!!
TOO BAD NOTHING STICKS TO TEFLON OBAMA ANYMORE, HUH?
The Chicago machine is just rolling over you Republican fools now and ALL of McCain/Palin’s ANGRY MOBS CAN”T STOP IT!!
It’s over, time for you Republicans and you fearful leader to all take a nice long DIRT NAP!!!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

natasha
thats it threaten impeachment… to be impeached by a mostly dem congress would be priceless and Speaker Pelosi would become president liek she wanted anyway

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:50 am 1:50 am

– you are portraying false outrage you arent really that bad off –
From the National Bureau of Economic Research (the guys who give us our GDP figures):
“Never in the history of modern economics has a large industrial country run persistent current account deficits of the magnitude posted by the U.S. since 2000.”
And the NBER analysis if our current taxation policy is left in place (remember, McCain wants to cut even more taxes):
Would be a 21-to-28 percent depreciation in the value of the trade-weighted dollar and a considerable slowdown of the American economy.
And that is a “best case” scenario provided our foreign investors continue to loan us money for the next several years, which is an unknown.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am

Davis
you are not making sense and I expect youre going to make money on the deal whether Obama wins or not so you are disengenous at best

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:52 am 1:52 am

– Oh! Not so fast my dear…There is a lawsuit filled in Philadelphia challenging Obama’s birth certificate! –
Sure is.. and it’s not on behalf of the republican party, McCain or anyone else associated.. who then? The same nutcase that is suing the US Government saying they were responsible for 9/11 :)
http://911forthetruth.com/
Isn’t America Great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:53 am 1:53 am

Concerned American
havent we already told you that posting articles like that is not in good taste you think that you are doign Obama a good service but only you! I guess I would expect that from non culturally self-actualized individuals like yourself!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:54 am 1:54 am

The voting machines do not leave a paper trail. The small trail that does exist is at the precinct level.
The odd bit is that the tinkering was not required as the 95% tax pander bought off most people. They sold their vote for the promised $500. It was one of the best panders ever. Way better than the gas tax holiday.
It is a done deal. We have to recognize that – survivable. McCain was not the best candidate – that was probably Romney. He would have played very well through this financial crisis.
I really dislike that Huckabee guy.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 1:55 am 1:55 am

Concerned American
there are voter fraud cases being investigated in a growning number of states and you need not lecture anyone on that

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am

Natasha,
The GOP has already had a lawsuit thrown out regarding the election in Ohio. You are telling me that you don’t think this lawsuit about his birth certificate can be thrown out. This has been proved time and again, and people like you just don’t get it.
How many times does Sen. Obama have to show that he is eligible for the Presidency for you and the others questioning his birth certificate to get it. I think it is more like you don’t want to get it.

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 1:56 am 1:56 am

– Concerned American
havent we already told you that posting articles like that is not in good taste –
And which article would that be?

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 1:57 am 1:57 am

Michelle Obama first lady……ROFL thats funny more like first charcter in the Planet of the Apes” NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT, SHE DOES HAVE A STRIKING RESEMBLANCE TO ZERA! BUT NOWHERE NEAR THE SCRUPLES! MICHELLE SHOULD BE BANISHED FROM THE USA.

Posted by: tk | October 22, 2008, 1:58 am 1:58 am

Do not worry- we can always impeach him after he is elected, since the results of many invstigations will not become known until after the election.
Posted by: Natasha | Oct 22, 2008 1:47:15 AM
=======================================
Hey Nasty Natasha,
Thanks for conceding the election, now tell the rest of your Republican idiot friends it is over too!!
It will save a lot of paper and trees (ballots) if all of you Republican idiots just stay home on election day anyway!
FACE IT, YOU FOOLS HAVE NO CHANCE AGAINST THE CHICAGO MACHINE AND TEFLON OBAMA!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 1:59 am 1:59 am

Concerned American
this one:
From the National Bureau of Economic Research (the guys who give us our GDP figures):
“Never in the history of modern economics has a large industrial country run persistent current account deficits of the magnitude posted by the U.S. since 2000.”
And the NBER analysis if our current taxation policy is left in place (remember, McCain wants to cut even more taxes):
Would be a 21-to-28 percent depreciation in the value of the trade-weighted dollar and a considerable slowdown of the American economy.
And that is a “best case” scenario provided our foreign investors continue to loan us money for the next several years, which is an unknown.
That is only propaganda go away! you do a pretty good job of copying official Obama material though

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am

Regarding a paper trail for electronic voting, I do have one question. Why can’t the voting machine generate a ‘receipt’ for voting, so that people will know if there vote counted correctly or not?

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am

“They sold their vote for the promised $500. It was one of the best panders ever.”
Pathetic. They had better hope they can stretch that $500 for 4 years because when double digit unemployment hits, it’s going to get ugly. The evil rich will take their money and ride out the 4 years on their yachts in the Cayman’s.

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 2:00 am 2:00 am

Here is an interesting article from a Carnegie Melon professor about what happens to the economy when less than 50% pay taxes – economy collapses:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122463231048556587.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:01 am 2:01 am

Davis
be careful what you wish for Obama will be impeached it matters not that kennedy used the mob in 1960 or other organizations stole elections what matters is that it is wrong in this election and you will be called on it

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am

So is Biden predicting Obama will get whacked like JFK did?

Posted by: WHACK THE MONKEY | October 22, 2008, 2:02 am 2:02 am

Obama has created misdirection by claiming it is rich Americans that cause our financial crisis. In reality, the Democrats are the direct cause of the financial crisis and the economic meltdown. Without the rich Americans, there would have never been a Middle Class, there would only be rich and poor.
Now, Obama makes promises that anyone can look through like a pane of clear glass. Obama does not have the power or funds to complete any of his programs and he knows that. What cause the 10 trillion dollar worldwide financial crisis is well documented.
There is footage of Sen. Schumer and Rep. Frank rambling against regulation on Fannie and Freddie? Truth hurts. You know why the Democrats were for the unabated operation of Fannie and Freddie. It allowed for more funding for banks to issue loans to ‘victims’ that did not have the ability to make their mortgage payments, in the event of an unexpected setback (like rising food prices). The other thing that it allowed was to allow the banks that made those loans to sell them and it allowed Fannie and Freddie to package them with other loans and sell them around and around. It worked fine until people stopped paying the mortgages. The Democrats were the main obstacles to reigning in the GSEs. This is fact not reported by Ms. Couric, and Mr. Gibson or the left wing think tanks.
Democrats fervently opposed reigning in Fannie and Freddie because they believed that they effectively created homeownership for those that would not have had access to the same without their existence.
Obama’s role was to take no action even when it was brought to his attention by the Bush administration. Acorn was protesting in local banks, bullying them, under auspices of the CRA to make home loans to ‘victims’ that could not afford the terms of the loans they wanted the bank to make. The banks were threatened with a lawsuit, if the did not make a loan. It is not the shame of the banks; it is the shame of Obama and the Democrats.
Now Democrats are imply that because Bush and McCain received campaign contributions that they are also responsible. No way OBAMA. Obama and the Democrats are completely responsible for the financial crisis that is totaling $10,000,000,000,000 and counting. Moreover, Obama receive more campaign contributions from Freddie and Fannie then both Bush and McCain.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am

– That is only propaganda go away! you do a pretty good job of copying official Obama material though –
Propaganda? You do have some pretty thick GOP glasses then.. simply pure economics. Tell me, what happens when you have repeated quarters of high deficit spending for a sustained period of time?
Go ahead, look it up.. I’ll wait.
Hint: It’s already starting all across the nation..
http://a.abcnews.com/images/Business/recession_state_map2_081020_mn.gif

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:03 am 2:03 am

McCain takes public money to run his campaign if that isn’t socialism I do not know what is. He uses my money to run against my candidate

Posted by: Thinking | October 22, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am

– I’ll be flying my American flag upside down –
You should already be doing so.. this Country has been in distress for some time now.
Posted by: Concerned American
————————————–
BOZO- I will be swinging our flag with pride and dancing with McCain-Palin and all patriotic Americans to the tune of this video…watch!
A USA Military History (Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6370539579217643597&hl=en
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am

Mack
yep I wanted not to beleive it but it will happen if Obama is elected and Repubs dems and independants..the real voters ON election day should shred the Obama electoral wish list!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:04 am 2:04 am

Hey JG,
Did things get so bad that you had to drop your original name staniam?
Your still a Hillary insect PUMA loser, whatever name you use!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am

– In reality, the Democrats are the direct cause of the financial crisis and the economic meltdown. –
Caused due to lifting banking regulations that were in place since the 20′s, allowing banks to package mortgages and sell them as investments:
The bill that ultimately repealed the [Glass Steagall] Act was introduced in the Senate by Phil Gramm (R-TX) and in the House of Representatives by James Leach (R-IA) in 1999. The bills were passed by a 54-44 vote along party lines with Republican support in the Senate and by a 343-86 vote in the House of Representatives. Nov 4, 1999: After passing both the Senate and House the bill was moved to a conference committee to work out the differences between the Senate and House versions. The final bipartisan bill resolving the differences was passed in the Senate 90-8-1 and in the House: 362-57-15. Without forcing a veto vote, this bipartisan, VETO PROOF legislation was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999. [9]
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:05 am 2:05 am

natasha
these obamabots are getting desperate the polls are tightening but the media chose no to report it because that would alienate the Obamabots… the networks are getting a killing in advertsing with this thing

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am

Raymond – the voting machines often show up with the votes already in them. As people come in and vote the tallies just go up. The old problem was that the tallies would be higher than the number of registered voters. Those pre-installed tallies of course have no receipts.
Some of these machines stamp a piece of paper that the voter carries with them. Others maintain a correlation between the votes and a stack of tabs. As soon as the votes are counted those tabs are tossed.
All of this of course happens at the precinct level – extremely difficult to monitor. Voting by cellphone or even https could be done with a better trail – essentially centralized log files. Those will never be put in as they can be monitored.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:06 am 2:06 am

Concerned american
ah so you are a government employee that is on the take for Obama…instantly discredited!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:07 am 2:07 am

“Here is an interesting article from a Carnegie Melon professor about what happens to the economy when less than 50% pay taxes – economy collapses:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122463231048556587.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
”
A must read for the lunatic fringe. Although it will fall on deaf ears. They have a pipe dream that the rich have bottomless pockets and that they will “patriotically” cough up more money to help Barry realize his Socialist agenda.

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am

Today
yep anyone but Obama should be elected so we can have a full scale reorganization of the election system they are part of the problem

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:09 am 2:09 am

I see people are quibbling on who caused the financial crisis. Saturday Night Live got it pretty much right. It does not matter as the American people were sold out on this. The bail out is going to foreign investors.
http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/mystery-of-missing-snl-bailout-skit-explained-nbccom-took-it-down-for-legal-reasons-will-put-back-up-edited-version-today/

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am

Hey JG-staniam,
Polls tightening?? Ha, ha, ha!!! Keep dreaming fool!!
Two of the latest National polls today polls have obama up 10-14%!
You better go do your home work fool! The race is WIDENING bigtime for Obama!!
Time for all of you Republicans to take a nice long DIRT NAP with your grandpappy McSenile!!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 2:11 am 2:11 am

Mack
yep the Kennedy clans supposed full throated endorsement(no pun intended) is meant to prove Bidens aregument that it is partriotic to pay taxes do you realize that Obamas tax credits come based on the SS payments I will get when Im 65 in 25 yrs! that means there wont be a SS trust fund then ah but we wont need it all the billionaires like Davis will just hand over their money to us then lol

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:13 am 2:13 am

Obama is a fraud, and his wife needs therapy, she has an inferiority complex. They both are racists. What more do we need to know? We don’t have time to find out right now. NOBAMA 08

Posted by: NOBAMA 08! | October 22, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am

JG: Obama has already been elected. I think Palin will have it better than most of us. We will be stuck with corruption and Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Schumer, Biden, and Obama – and $500.
Palin who had the worst attacks I have ever seen – people said her daughter’s baby was the result of incest, t-shirts calling her awful stuff – and very few stood up for her – she will be in Alaska in the woods – I hope having a great time. I like her.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am

Davis
it matters not who you think I polls from 10-14 percent are irresponsible… I havent given a thing to Obama and have carried through on my threat to vote against Obama so my job is done here go away …to have so much information you must be second cousin to that Robert Gibbs guy the portly Karl Rove look alike

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:15 am 2:15 am

Concerned American is very confused.
The Jimmy Carter and Clinton administrations are the DIRECT CAUSE and NOTHING ELSE that forced the banks under threat of a lawsuit to make loans to persons without sufficient funds to repay a loan or mortgage. That how the law reads.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am

Concerned american
ah so you are a government employee that is on the take for Obama…instantly discredited!
Posted by: JG |
———————————–
JG, do not disturb BOZO (un-Concerned American)…he is still trying to figure out the answers on The Dumb Test!… :-)

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 2:18 am 2:18 am

Today
yes we can survive it and I think Palin is an honest politician as oppiosed to the top of the dem ticket but ether way Obama wont be running in 2012 provided that wont when the world ends it will be Biden-Palin or Clinton-Palin they cant do a thing about it its funy how they studied the Bush 2000 scenario just like Bush studied Bill Clinton to get alected they are all corrupt

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:19 am 2:19 am

I often say this – look at how bitter the Obama crowd is and they are winning. It is a real insight into what we are headed for. They have a pent up anger and they are willing to get nasty about it. Look at the attacks on Palin and McCains wife. It is a total break down of society.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am

natasha
yep the reality is the independant Obama voters that magically appeared on his side dont exist they may manage to steal the election but have to spot themselves several points to overcome the real turnout on election day

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:21 am 2:21 am

“Concerned American is very confused.”
well he’s a typical Obama blogger who needs to get a life.

Posted by: . | October 22, 2008, 2:22 am 2:22 am

Today
Oh god! those bad 80s movies about life in the 21st century will come true!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am

“SS trust fund then ah but we wont need it all the billionaires like Davis will just hand over their money to us then lol ”
Davis lives under a bridge.

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am

Old man Joseph P. Kennedy was a Canadian whiskey runner during the prohibition. Seagrams ring a bell?

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 2:23 am 2:23 am

.
Yep absoultely there is always one who flies over the cuckoos nest every night on thses blogs!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 2:24 am 2:24 am

“I often say this – look at how bitter the Obama crowd is and they are winning. It is a real insight into what we are headed for. They have a pent up anger and they are willing to get nasty about it. Look at the attacks on Palin and McCains wife. It is a total break down of society.”
They are vile. I wonder if they created Obama or Obama created them?

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am

JG – I agree the corruption is deep on all sides. There is too much money in the process. These earmarks are a tool for shoveling money out of Washington. How much was spent on this election all told – it must be 1.5 billion directly.
My biggest rant is that we let the politicians stick around for too long. They all eventually get rotten. Stevens from Alaska at 85 is a case in point. They should have a mandatory retirement age – 70 sounds good to me.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:25 am 2:25 am

Mack
that could be but in the primaries Davis claimed to be at that fundraiser where Obama said thhose people cling to guns and religion and have antipathy for people who arent like them

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:26 am 2:26 am

“My biggest rant is that we let the politicians stick around for too long”
We desperately need term limits. I can’t even come up with one that is worth a damm.

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 2:27 am 2:27 am

– A must read for the lunatic fringe. –
But irrelevant.. it is a ‘what if’ report.
Median household income in the US, according to IRS data is around $50K. Federal taxes paid on that amount (jointly) is $6721, individual is $8930 (based on 2007 tax tables). The premise of the article is “What happens when the median income voter receives more benefits than he pays”, and mentions Obamas proposed $1000 ($500 individual) tax credit, which fall well short of taxes paid, and does not even consider payroll taxes paid.
And along those lines.. lets take a look at Alaska:
Alaska also ranks No. 1, year after year, in money it sucks in from Washington. According to the Tax Foundation, Alaska ranked 18th in federal taxes paid per resident ($5,434) but first in federal spending received per resident ($13,950). Its ratio of federal spending received to federal taxes paid ranks third among the 50 states, and in the absolute amount it receives from Washington over and above the amount it sends to Washington, Alaska ranks No. 1.
Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 2 1/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska’s government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:28 am 2:28 am

I have hope this will all work out in the next election. Some one say something to Davis – he is melting down for lack of attention. See ya in Alaska!

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:29 am 2:29 am

“Mack
that could be but in the primaries Davis claimed to be at that fundraiser where Obama said thhose people cling to guns and religion and have antipathy for people who arent like them”
He was probably busing tables.

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am

– I will get when Im 65 in 25 yrs! –
Maybe. I have yet heard McCain or one of his supporters say exactly what McCain will do to ‘fix’ social security. His straight talk is a bunch of generalities and double speak.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:30 am 2:30 am

Today
yep… it pains me.. I may have to run myself in 2016 because I learned about the constitution and could recite the presidential oath and vp oath when I was 10 much like Obama wanted to be president when he was 5 at a madrasa in Indonesia but I went to a Christian school(get the picture)

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

Night all.

Posted by: Mack | October 22, 2008, 2:31 am 2:31 am

natasha- these obamabots are getting desperate the polls are tightening but the media chose no to report it because that would alienate the Obamabots… the networks are getting a killing in advertsing with this thing
Posted by: JG
————————————
JG- You hit the nail on the head!… :-)
Btw, have you noticed how the Obamabots here have swiftly diverted the attention from “the mother of all flip-flops” – Re: Obama Tweaks Tax Plan to Rebut McCain!
They think that Ayers, Rezko, ACORN, Wright, and Obama’s new edition of the “Carl Marx Doctrine” are going away any time soon! Ahahaha!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 2:33 am 2:33 am

JG – please run for office. We need you. You would get my vote. I am a Christian, too, but I would vote for you because you think. Night all.

Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am

Concerned american
the tax credits Obama propose come directly from the Social Security trust fund because he would be giving you back money you dont have yet much like Bushes rebates that he gave out that were meant to be spent in 2002 I put mine in the bank anyway there wont be any money at that age if thats the case so you obama billionaires will fund my retirement no questions asked!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:34 am 2:34 am

To any PUMAs:
Do you guys really know what you are doing by not voting for the candidate that Hillary has asked you to support numerous times?
I have seen on other sites that some of the PUMAs are voting for McCain, even though he is the polar opposite of the woman that they claim to support. They say this will give Hillary a chance to run in 2012 because I have read that most PUMAs think that McCain would only be a one-term president if elected. If McCain is elected, Palin is the VP. with four years experience, don’t you think Sarah Palin will defeat Hillary in 2012, unless McCain and her really mess things up in their first term.
If the Democrats lose the election because of PUMA, do you think the chances of Hillary being the nominee in 2012 will increase or decrease? My thought is that if a candidate so greatly divided the Democratic electorate, they will make sure that said candidate doesn’t even come close to the nomination next time.
At least if Obama is President, Hillary would still have a chance of being a member of his administration and then maybe make another run for the Presidency after Obama serves out 8 years. some people say that would make her too old. Sure, whatever. Look at McCain. How old is he? Hillary would still be younger than him in 2016.

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 2:35 am 2:35 am

– if thats the case so you obama billionaires will fund my retirement no questions asked! –
you do have a rather distorted view of economics!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:36 am 2:36 am

JG,
So again, why did you change your name? I kind of liked staniam….
What were you ashamed everyone knew what kind of a low life Hillary insect you are?
I gave another $100 bucks to Obama on Sunday after Collin Powell endorsed him, bet you like that huh staniam!
So when you changed your name to JG you should have also changed to the winning party!! But no you are still the same old loser in NC!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am

Today
Done!
“I JG, Do solemnly swear(or affirm)that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States; and will, to the best of my ability preserve,protect, and defend, the constitution of the Unitd States so Help me God”–I didnt have to look that up contrary to the cut and paste Obamabots… hmm cuttign and pasting and chicago have similarities!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:37 am 2:37 am

Davis
you are throwing your money away and will be complicit and a material witness and Obamas impeachment trial where he will be removed not much different from Andrew Jackson in the 1830s

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

– “the mother of all flip-flops” – Re: Obama Tweaks Tax Plan to Rebut McCain! –
Truely laughable.. only a die hard party line voter with no real concern for the future of our country could turn a ‘tweak’ to a ‘mother of all flip-flop’..
What a pity..

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:39 am 2:39 am

concerned american
you will be responsible for it and I will come look for you and you will pay it!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:40 am 2:40 am

– you will be responsible for it and I will come look for you and you will pay it!–
Yeah.. I’m sure you will.. still waiting on how McCain plans on ‘fixing’ social security.. have you read what he said about it? And he calls that straight talk?

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:41 am 2:41 am

Raymond
your threats ring hollow! and there isnt a chance Hillary would run in 2016 Obama sold his soul to jump over everyone in line and try to win this time… I guarantee you if he doesnt win which I admit isnt likely he will resign his senate seat because thats all he wanted it for is to be president!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:43 am 2:43 am

“Of the 50 states, Alaska ranks….blah blah blah…”
Posted by Concerbned American
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Hmmm, at least you know how many states there are in the Union, BOZO!
Obama thinks there are 57! (poor thing…he got confused with the 57 states of Islam!)
REUTERS NEWS
May 9 – On the campaign trail in Beaverton, Oregon, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama mistakenly tells a crowd that’s he’s been to 57 states – with one left to go.
Reuters Video
Obama: I HAVE BEEN IN 57 STATES
http://www.reuters.com/news/video?videoId=82127

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am

Concerned American missed something:
On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted. The administration of Alaska’s governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan. This comes to about $741-million for state residents. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. That comes to about $741-million for state residents
For a family of 7 (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means an additional $22,400.00 in income sent from the state of Alaska. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!
Sarah Palin is more ready for the Washington, D.C. crowd than Obama. Obama has proven he cannot even take care of a simple housing project. How can YOU expect Obama to run the country?
Obama wants to tax the oil companies and waste the collected taxes with federal government spending. The same spending waste used for his housing projects in Illinois. Where did the tax dollars go?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
Obama gave the people in Illinois broken down housing and dangerous living conditions. Where did the money go? What pockets were filled with tax payers’ money from Washington, D.C.? We know where Governor Sarah Palin’s tax money is. The tax money is in the pockets of the residents of Alaska.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am

Concerned american
Obamas tax credit is based on what every american will have made all the way to their retirement no matter what age they are now so therefore it is money that is not yours… yet!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:44 am 2:44 am

Davis
you are throwing your money away and will be complicit and a material witness and Obamas impeachment trial where he will be removed not much different from Andrew Jackson in the 1830s
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Whatever you say staniam.
Enjoy your long dirt nap beginning November 4th!!! I imagine all of you Republican losers that post here will all have changed your screen names by November 5th anyway!
Just don’t be McChickens on election night as all of us Obama supporters will be cooking up a BIG FAT CROW DINNER for all of you that night!!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Davis | October 22, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am

Obama sold his soul?? Hmm, that’s now how some of McCains former friends and allies see it:
“John has made a pact with the devil,” says Lincoln Chafee, the former GOP senator, who has been appalled at his one-time colleague’s readiness to sacrifice principle for power. Chafee and McCain were the only Republicans to vote against the Bush tax cuts. They locked arms in opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. And they worked together in the “Gang of 14,” which blocked some of Bush’s worst judges from the federal bench.
“On all three — sadly, sadly, sadly — McCain has flip-flopped,” Chafee says. And forget all the “Country First” sloganeering, he adds. “McCain is putting himself first. He’s putting himself first in blinking neon lights.”

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:45 am 2:45 am

Natasha
hmmm.. methinks there are 57 islamic states… Im not saying that Obama is muslim because that would be racist but it could be a caliphate is in order for the US and its territory in the future … Obama had one of many freudian slips at that point!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

– Obamas tax credit is based on what every american will have made –
You see.. not only can you explain how McCain will ‘fix’ social security, you have no idea about Obamas plan either!
You are not a McCain supporter, simply an anti-Obama voter for whatever irrational reason.. you obviously don’t have a clue about eithers proposed plans, and apparently, you don’t even care.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:47 am 2:47 am

Concerned American
LOL…. Lincoln Chafee is more liberal than Obama ! up in new england where there is as much socialist party registration as Democrat or repub NOT a good thing

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:49 am 2:49 am

like Sarah Palin’s tax program:
On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted. The administration of Alaska’s governor Sarah Palin now gives $1,200 to every single Alaskan. This comes to about $741-million for state residents. In addition, each resident will receive an annual dividend of $2,000 from an oil-wealth savings account. That comes to about $741-million for state residents
For a family of 7 (Gov. Palin has 7 members in her family) that means an additional $22,400.00 in income sent from the state of Alaska. WOW, who needs a job! Back to the trailer, Billy Bob!
Sarah Palin is more ready for the Washington, D.C. crowd than Obama. Obama has proven he cannot even take care of a simple housing project. How can YOU expect Obama to run the country?
Obama wants to tax the oil companies and waste the collected taxes with federal government spending. The same spending waste used for his housing projects in Illinois. Where did the tax dollars go?
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
Obama gave the people in Illinois broken down housing and dangerous living conditions. Where did the money go? What pockets were filled with tax payers’ money from Washington, D.C.? We know where Governor Sarah Palin’s tax money is. The tax money is in the pockets of the residents of Alaska.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 2:50 am 2:50 am

– LOL…. Lincoln Chafee is more liberal than Obama –
Exact response I was expecting.. ignore the message, attack the messenger..
Sad..

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 2:51 am 2:51 am

JG,
those aren’t threats. they are facts.
Why would PUMAs support the polar opposite of the woman that you claim to support, when in fact she has asked you numerous times to support Obama? Obama/Biden views are much closer to those of Hillary than McCain/Palin. PUMAs are voting against their own interests and the woman who they claim to support. That is a FACT.
However, as I soon found out on the PUMA website, PUMAs don’t want to listen to reasoning.

Posted by: Raymond | October 22, 2008, 2:52 am 2:52 am

Concerned american
I am right Obama has not laid out how he would pay for it either way it is money that is not really there… Obama said he would have to reevaluate spending and govt progeams if he is electdd there isnt enough money and there will be more war not less so forget about your little plans … I guess warren buffett has so much that hes goign to pay back the US Treasury they half a trillion it would cost!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:52 am 2:52 am

Raymond
Im not a member of PUMA I have disengaged from any support of any democratic candidate because of the way things have been run and I did a lot of work for them and it is no different from tradtionally deomcratic voters saying in 2004 that they would vote for kerry when they were really scard by terrorism and voted for Bush… logic doesnt apply because the Obama campaign on its face is illogical!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:55 am 2:55 am

Concerned
“The best laid plans of Mice and Men often go astray” enough said

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 2:56 am 2:56 am

– On Aug. 7, 2008, the Alaska Legislature approved a measure she promoted. –
And McCain has said no way no how will he implement windfall taxes similar to the above.. in addition Alaska ranks No. 1 in taxes per resident and No. 1 in spending per resident. Its tax burden per resident is 2 1/2 times the national average; its spending, more than double. The trick is that Alaska’s government spends money on its own citizens and taxes the rest of us to pay for it.
Nobody wants her in washington, and Alaska doesn’t want her back either.. guess we should send her over to Iraq, maybe they would be more receptive :)

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am

This is proof that Obamas poltics is corrupt whether you feel good about it or not!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102996.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2008102103028&s_pos

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 3:00 am 3:00 am

– I am right Obama has not laid out how he would pay for it either –
Bzzzt.. wrong answer. Clearly and precisely, you just haven’t bothered looking. Typical anti-Obama voter who doesn’t care about the future of the country, just the future of your candidate.
That is why former fed chairman Volker supports Obama and his plan, and Greenspan has said he does not support McCains..
as for the best laid plans of mice and men.. remember, fools rush in where wise men fear to tread :)
Ain’t America great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

Obama Soviet Anthem: Hilarious
http://www.wikio.com/video/389423
*O’ Hail the Messiah Lord Obama
Glenn Beck Parody base on the Hymn “Gimn Sovetskogo Soyuza” (The National Anthem of the Soviet Union)

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 3:03 am 3:03 am

Concerned American:
You belong on the funny farm because anyone that does not like that which Sarah Palin is doing belongs on a funny farm. She is better than Obama can ever be. She gives tax dollars to taxpayers and the tax dollars stimulant the Alaskan economy.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 3:07 am 3:07 am

See.. Natasha is a perfect example of a fool rushing in!
Ain’t America great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:07 am 3:07 am

Concerned American
you havent refuted that the tax credit will come from future socail security income that isnt there they have been borrowing from Socail security for years

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 3:10 am 3:10 am

Davis are you STILL running around and insulting people,I have literally seen two year olds more mature than you are.Maybe people would listen to you if you stopped acting like an A– all the time.And if you still want to insult I’m right here,the more you insult me the more people listen to me,goes for anyone else too.And everyone out there who thinks Obama is the most liberally voting person out there I hate to admit it but you are wrong.He voted present so many times that voting wise he would probably be considered a chair for all he contributed.And we need to move the election,we could fix the unemployment with all the extra people being hired by the media to cover up the Great Gaffing Duo’s gaffes.

Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 22, 2008, 3:13 am 3:13 am

– She gives tax dollars to taxpayers and the tax dollars stimulant the Alaskan economy. –
If their economy is so great, then why do they take more money from the government than they send it, consistently, year after year? As for her ‘cutting the fat’ out of budgets.. Palin bragged that she had vetoed “nearly $500 million” in state spending during her two years as governor. This amounts to less than 2% of the proposed budget.
I’m glad you are excited about Palin, and how McCain decided to pander to his base instead of do what was best for the country by picking her.. but I still fail to see how scraping the bottom of the barrel is acceptable to people, and how they still bend over and take it, regardless of how low their expectations are for their leaders.

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:18 am 3:18 am

Natasha
what Biden was saying is he knew the traditional supporters of Obama yes the orginal ones lack the intestinal fortitude to stick this out to the end.. yes there is only two weeks left but these are the people that cant make one move without consulting their parents which they are “friends” with… in the old days you were never friends with your parents which makes Obamas interaction with his girls all the more disturbing!
Posted by: JG
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You have a good point there about what Joe – the talking parrot – is saying…
Sure Obama’s interaction with his girls is disturbing…after all their dad wants to teach “sex education” to 5th graders (terror).

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 3:21 am 3:21 am

Concerned American,explain to me how Obamas 150 days of legsilative experience outranks Sarah Palins years of EXECUTIVE experience since they are running for an EXECUTIVE office?

Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 22, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am

– you havent refuted that the tax credit will come from future socail security income that isnt there they have been borrowing from Socail security for years –
You apparently missed it then.. I’ll let you run over to the web site and look for yourself… you might just be surprised at the level of detail as compared to what you will find coming out of McCain.
Ain’t America great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:22 am 3:22 am

– Concerned American,explain to me how Obamas 150 days of legsilative experience outranks Sarah Palins years of EXECUTIVE experience since they are running for an EXECUTIVE office? –
Intelligence alone makes him more qualified.. And by your definition of ‘experience’, where is McCains? Crashing planes and almost getting bumped from the Academy, and leaving as a Captain in spite of his fathers and grandfathers influence?

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am

Concerned American is agqain confued:
The government allocates the money to Alaska; she does not put in a voucher for the money. Sarah takes what they give her. You have no idea how government allocates money and you are for Obama’s money programs. My oh my….
Sarah is my kind of business person.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 3:26 am 3:26 am

– The government allocates the money to Alaska; she does not put in a voucher for the money. –
And you know the funny part, I think you actually believe that! Well, not really unexpected, just funny..
Ain’t America Great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:27 am 3:27 am

– Sarah is my kind of business person. –
No doubt.. abuse of power and violation of ethics laws.. no wonder you are anti-Obama!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:29 am 3:29 am

Concerned American is again confused:
We are talking about Sarah Palin having more executive experience and NOT talking about McCain.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 3:30 am 3:30 am

Concerned American again confused:
The government allocates the money to Alaska; she does not put in a voucher for the money. Sarah takes what they give her. You have no idea how government allocates money and you are for Obama’s money programs. My oh my…. Sarah is my kind of business person.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 3:31 am 3:31 am

– We are talking about Sarah Palin having more executive experience and NOT talking about McCain. –
Keep clinging..

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:32 am 3:32 am

Concerned American you missed somthing again:
As a state senator, Barack Obama, the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee coauthored an Illinois law creating a new pool of tax credits for developers. As a US senator, he pressed for increased federal subsidies. And as a presidential candidate, he has campaigned on a promise to create an Affordable Housing Trust Fund that could give developers an estimated $500 million a year. Looks like a touch of corruption to everyone.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 3:35 am 3:35 am

So saying Uhh,uhh,uhh,and,Change is experience,if it is I’m running?He is most certainly NOT more intelligent than her.I can guarantee that he is NOT more intelligent than she is.Apparently you have never went deer hunting.It requires a great deal of intelligence to outwit and animal that can smell you from a good many yards and hear you before you even lay eyes on it.Do not insult her intelligence.He has got decades of experience compared to under half a year,give me a break.Are you really that dense?

Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 22, 2008, 3:38 am 3:38 am

We are indeed witnesses to history in the making.. more people are putting party line politics aside, and more republicans are crossing that line and doing what is best for this country.. a country that has been dragged over the coals the last 8 years. Doing what is best to turn the direction and begin our long journey digging out from the mess Bush has left us buried under. Voting in masses for the candidate who has the best tax plan to rescue our economy, has the best health plan that places getting more Americans insurance above big corporate politics, has the best energy policy that will finally get us under way towards independence, that has the best foreign policy stance to restore our broken friendships and restore faith in our allies.
Regardless of who you vote for, be proud to be a part of history.. one you can tell your children and grandchildren about. And if you happen to be standing on the wrong side of history come November, you can always leave that part out when you tell your story.
Obama ’08
Isn’t America Great!

Posted by: Concerned American | October 22, 2008, 3:39 am 3:39 am

Concerned American must be blind:
Governor Sarah Palin has introduced the legislation that creates the Housing Trust Structure inside Alaska Housing Finance Corporation! We are so pleased to have the Governor’s support and we look forward to continuing to build momentum for this important piece of legislation.
http://www.akhousingtrust.org/
We did not find any run down housing project like sponsored by Obama.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/06/27/grim_proving_ground_for_obamas_housing_policy/?page=1
We did not find a waste of $500,000,000.000 as in Obama’s housing project.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 3:41 am 3:41 am

The Washingtom Times
Wednesday, October 22, 2008
EDITORIAL: Tax-cut socialism
He refers to it as “tax cuts,” hoping that the American public is too dumb to catch on and ridicule anyone who gets in their political way.
Mr. Obama promises to give 95 percent of American workers what he refers to as a “Making Work Pay” tax cut – a $500 refundable tax credit to every worker or $1,000 per couple. The key word here is “refundable.” This means that the one-third of taxpayers with zero income-tax liability (one-third of all tax returns to be filed in 2009 under current law) get a direct payment from the U.S. Treasury – in essence, a welfare check for working. And this will be paid by increased taxes on single filers making $200,000 or more per year and joint filers making $250,000 or more.
The issue was brought to the fore by Joe Wurzelbacher, a Holland, Ohio plumber who was playing football with his son in his front yard when Mr. Obama visited his neighborhood Oct. 11.
Mr. Wurzelbacher charged that Mr. Obama’s tax plan would be at odds with “the American dream.” Saying that he was preparing to “buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 per year,” he challenged Mr. Obama. “Your new tax plan is going to cost me more, isn’t it?” Mr. Wurzelbacher asked.
In recent days, Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden sounded like they were dismissing out of hand the concerns expressed by Mr. Wurzelbacher, now known internationally as “Joe the Plumber.” When the mainstream media reported that Mr. Wurzelbacher lacked a plumbing license, Mr. Biden went on the “Tonight Show” to make light of that fact, saying he was worried about “Joe the Plumber with a license.” (Mr. Wurzelbacher says he works under the license held by his boss). Last week, Mr. Obama also sounded somewhat bemused by Joe the Plumber’s concerns: “How many plumbers do you know making $250,000 a year?”
The above comments by Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden are examples of liberal elitism on display.
Mr. Wurzelbacher, so far as we can tell, never claimed to be making that much money from the plumbing business; it seems pretty clear that he was referring to his hopes and dreams for the future. But these facts seem lost on Democrats and the mainstream media. The latter appear more interested in learning whether Mr. Wurzelbacher might have been a McCain campaign “plant” who just happened to ask his question to embarrass Mr. Obama. To Mr. Obama and Mr. Biden, however, the idea that a successful plumber could make more than $250,000 in a single year sounded like a vaguely stupid Republican Party dirty trick, and they weren’t having any of it.
Aside from ridiculing Mr. Wurzelbacher’s efforts to create a better life for his family, Mr. Obama’s campaign cites statistics purporting to show that less than 2 percent of small businesses will be affected by his tax increases. Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) claims the actual figure is closer to 10 percent, and it says that analysis of IRS statistics shows that in 2006, small businesses reported $700 billion in profits – two-thirds of which were earned in households that would be hit by the Obama tax increases.
If anything, the ATR figures probably understate the job-killing impact of Mr. Obama’s tax increases, because they don’t include his Social Security proposals – which cut taxes on workers making under $85,000 a year and significantly increase them for workers with incomes of $250,000 and above. When you factor these Social Security tax hikes into the mix, it is very likely that some of the country’s biggest job creators will find themselves paying marginal rates above 50 percent.
Furthermore, in his response to “Joe,” Mr. Obama told him that he needed to “spread the wealth around.” Since Mr. Obama has roundly rejected being called a socialist, the onus is on him to explain: What part of such government-engineered wealth distribution isn’t socialism?
The Washington Times
http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/oct/22/tax-cut-socialism/

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 3:44 am 3:44 am

You must be absolutely 100% politicaly blind!They might be the best if we lived in Russia,China,Venezuala or another communist country.You Obama propaganda spreaders(akin to manure spreaders)are what is driving people to McCain even more than Obamas radical veiws.The past 8 years is just that,the past.No one wants to hear about what would have happened had your candidates won.They didn’t and nobody cares about you whining about it.And BTW,america fell for “Change” once,we aren’t about to fall for it again(Mention Bushs approvel rating all you want but his is over 2 times what congresses is(the first users of change,and look how well that turned out).

Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 22, 2008, 3:53 am 3:53 am

Concerned American must be blind…
Posted by BlackJack
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Are you kidding? He is not blind…he is just a Moron who does not want to see the truth.
un-Concerned American and his Messiah Obama can pack their bags and move to Cuba or Norh Korea.
God Bless America!
McCain-Palin ’08!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 4:00 am 4:00 am

can anyone point to any democrats who have decided to endorse mccain?
the news if full of major republicans supporting obama, but very little the other way.
i was only able to find one article in the wall street journal about some puerto rican businessman who was a long time democratic supporter, but decided to back mccain.
and it said he does not even agree with mccains policies, which seems odd.

Posted by: sara | October 22, 2008, 4:02 am 4:02 am

If Obama were serious about a fair tax program, he would have selected a FLAT TAX program with no loopholes. Obama could have set a minimum earnings rate of under $45,000 pays no tax and there after the tax rate could be set to anything. The only deduction allowed would be government set interest rates for a mortgage with a cap of a $300,000 for one house. More than one house or property the interest rate would not be deductible under the flat tax.
The rich Democrats need the tax loopholes.

Posted by: BlackJack | October 22, 2008, 4:07 am 4:07 am

Joe Leiberman.And before you ask he just ran as an Indie,he is still a registered Democrat.

Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 22, 2008, 4:09 am 4:09 am

I think we should do away with Income tax all together and implement the FairTax.It would solve everyones problems.

Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 22, 2008, 4:13 am 4:13 am

didnt leiberman only give his endorsement after mccain made him president of his state leadership team thing and had him heading his campaign in some states?
also, according to his web site, he is an independent, and was elected in 2006 as such. any others?

Posted by: sara | October 22, 2008, 4:26 am 4:26 am

The Washington Post – 1 hour ago
Obama’s Iffy Numbers On McCain Health Plan
Wednesday, October 22, 2008
“How would your golden years turn out under John McCain? His health-care plan would cut Medicare by $800 billion. That means a 22 percent cut in benefits. Higher premiums and co-pays. More expensive prescription drugs. Nursing home care could suffer. . . . After a lifetime of work, seniors’ health care shouldn’t be a gamble. John McCain’s plan? It’s not the change we need.”
– Obama campaign’s “Your Golden Years” ad
Barack Obama has been telling seniors that their hard-won Medicare benefits are at risk if his rival wins the election. The message has been hammered home in a series of speeches and television ads, including the one shown above, set against a backdrop of spinning lottery balls. Is it true, as the Democratic senator asserts, that his Republican opponent is planning to “gamble” with Medicare benefits?
THE FACTS
The Obama claim rests primarily on a Wall Street Journal interview with McCain’s top economic adviser, Douglas Holtz-Eakin, that was published Oct. 6. Holtz-Eakin told the Journal that McCain would pay for his health plan “in part” by looking for “savings” in Medicare and Medicaid. He was vague about where the savings would come from, other than talking about the need to cut fraud and waste in the programs.
“It’s about giving [Medicare and Medicaid recipients] the benefit package that has been promised to them by law at lower cost,” Holtz-Eakin told the newspaper.
In other words, contrary to the claim in the Obama ad, the McCain campaign was specifically promising not to “cut benefits” but to provide the promised benefits at a lower cost. The Obama ad misleadingly cites the Wall Street Journal interview as the source for the alarming “22 percent cut in benefits.”
How did the Obama campaign come up with the claim of an $800 billion cut in Medicare (described in another Obama ad as an $882 billion cut)? Answer: some back-of-the-envelope calculations by a liberal think tank, the Center for American Progress.
The think tank bases its findings on the assumption that McCain will need to save around $1.3 trillion over 10 years to pay for his health-care plan. (This is based on an analysis by the independent Tax Policy Center that has not been challenged by the McCain campaign.) The senator from Arizona has promised to give Americans a $2,500 refundable tax credit to be spent on health care in exchange for taxing the health benefits they receive from their employers.
It may be that McCain is wildly optimistic in believing that he can find sufficient savings in Medicare and Medicaid to pay for his promised refundable health-care tax credit. But such a criticism also applies to Obama, who is relying on similar cost cuts to fund his health-care plan. The senator from Illinois says that a shift to electronic health records will generate savings of around $120 billion a year, a claim termed “wishful thinking” by many independent experts.
THE PINOCCHIO TEST
John McCain has not provided a convincing explanation for how he will fund his health-care plan. But it is a huge stretch for the Obama campaign to argue that the McCain plan will inevitably result in an $800 billion (or $880 billion) cut in Medicare programs over 10 years, or a “22 percent cut” in benefits paid to American seniors. McCain’s top economic adviser has specifically promised not to cut benefits.
THREE PINOCCHIOS: Significant factual errors.

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 4:28 am 4:28 am

Sorry- I forgot to post the link in my previous comment.
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The Washington Post – 1 hour ago
Obama’s Iffy Numbers On McCain Health Plan
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/21/AR2008102102650.html

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 4:33 am 4:33 am

Posted by: sara | October 22, 2008, 4:36 am 4:36 am

Well let me put it this way,last I seen he was registered to vote as a democrat,I don’t know if he went on ahead within the past couple months.That might have been the final nail but from the way he was always around him I think he was planning on supporting him from the begining.The only other one I can think of is probably Zell Miller,but he retired from politics so I wouldn’t know for sure.I don’t really know any more.You could probably google it though.

Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 22, 2008, 4:43 am 4:43 am

Taxes are for the good of all, not just one family of Palins. Sarah Palin’s the biggest welfare queen of this era. In one month, she spent $150,000 on clothes using McCain’s public finance money.
To make matters worse, Sarah Palin chose Saks Fith Avenue (of Wall Street), Neiman Marcus and Macy’s to pay for clothes using $150,000. So much for helping small businesses Sarah! Wonder what “joe the plumber” would think about that?!
Republican McCain’s public financing has really paid off — for Sarah. No wonder McCain’s running out of money.
Contrast that with Michelle Obama’s choice of a small local business woman to design her clothes. I’m sure that was one small business that had some overnight growth.
Obama/Biden 08!

Posted by: Common Sense | October 22, 2008, 4:45 am 4:45 am

Sara- Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild -member of the Democratic National Committee Platform Committee – also endorsed McCain.
She was a major fundraiser for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 Presidential bid.

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 4:47 am 4:47 am

Ohhhhh,thank you very,very much common nonsense for bringing up Michelle.This is the woman who wasn’t proad to be an american until we were duped into nominating her husband.a woman who let her little girls listen to a man rave about how evil america is,a woman who blatantly insults any who disagree with her.I do not like this Idiot and what she stands for.She does not care for this country one bit.Therefor I do not care about her one bit.And anyone who can defend her hating this country is undefendable themselves.Now I’m sorry,I would really like to stay here and educate you liberals some more but I have to get some shut eye.
Obama for Latrine Cleaner ’08 out.’Night all.

Posted by: Obama for Latrine Cleaner '08 | October 22, 2008, 4:58 am 4:58 am

thank you natasha..
i went to the tax policy center mentioned in that article and it says that obamas health plan is superior to mccains in many ways. i will be sure to pass that on to my friends and relatives.
Posted by: sara
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Yeah, as superior as “Nationalized Medicine” plans are in Europe. Have you ever wondered why the Europeans come to the US for quality health care? (because the European Socialists have ruined the health care system with their “Nationalized Health Care” plans.
Obama’s “Nationalized Medicine” is a LEMON – it will destroy our health care system which is currently the best in the world. Besides, Obama will not be able to fund his health care plan.

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 4:58 am 4:58 am

Posted by: sara | October 22, 2008, 4:59 am 4:59 am

The New York Times trashes Obama’s Health Care Plan…
Health Plan From Obama Spurs Debate
By KEVIN SACK
It is one of the most audacious promises in a campaign that has been thick with them.
In speech after speech, Senator Barack Obama has vowed that he will lower the country’s health care costs enough to “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.” Moreover, Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has promised that his health plan will be in place “by the end of my first term as president of the United States.”
Whether Mr. Obama can deliver is a matter of considerable dispute among health analysts and economists. While there is consensus that the American health care system is bloated with waste, eliminating enough to save $2,500 per family would require simultaneous and synergistic solutions to a host of problems that have proved intractable for decades.
Even if the next president and Congress can muster the political will, analysts question whether significant savings would materialize in as little as four years, or even in 10. But as Mr. Obama confronts an electorate that is deeply unsettled by escalating health costs, he is offering a precise “chicken in every pot” guarantee based on numbers that are largely unknowable. Furthermore, it is not completely clear what he is promising.
His words about lowering “premiums” by $2,500 for the average family of four have been fairly consistent. But the health policy advisers who formulated the figure say it actually represents the average family’s share of savings not only in premiums paid by individuals, but also in premiums paid by employers and in tax-supported health programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
“What we’re trying to do,” said one of the advisers, David M. Cutler, in explaining the gap between Mr. Obama’s words and his intent, “is find a way to talk to people in a way they understand.”
The original arithmetic was somewhat basic. In May 2007, three Harvard professors who are unpaid advisers to the Obama campaign — Mr. Cutler, David Blumenthal and Jeffrey Liebman — produced a memorandum offering their “best guess” that a menu of changes would produce savings of at least $200 billion a year (it has since been revised to $214 billion). That would amount to about 8 percent of the $2.5 trillion in health care spending projected for 2009, when the next president takes office.
The memorandum attributed specific savings to several broad initiatives, with the numbers plucked from recent studies. Investments in computerized medical records would save $77 billion a year, the advisers wrote. Reducing administrative costs in the insurance industry would yield up to $46 billion. Improving prevention programs and chronic disease management would be worth $81 billion.
The total savings were then divided by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down slightly to a number that was easy to grasp: $2,500. The average cost of family coverage bought through an employer was $12,106 in 2007, with workers paying $3,281 of that amount, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a health research group.
Mr. Obama aspires to cover the country’s 47 million uninsured by requiring insurers to accept all comers, regardless of their health status, and by providing generous tax credits to low-income workers. The tax credits could be used to buy into a new federal health plan or private plans marketed through a government exchange.
The subsidies are expensive, estimated at well over $100 billion. Other components of the Obama plan also bear up-front costs, like a pledge to spend $50 billion over five years to speed the computerization of health records, $6 billion a year on tax credits to small businesses that provide coverage to workers, and an unspecified amount to buffer businesses from high-cost insurance claims.
The source Mr. Obama has identified to pay for them — the repeal of President Bush’s tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 — would cover only about half. That means additional health care savings would be needed, not only to keep premiums under control but also to help pay for the subsidies.
A consensus has emerged among health economists that at least a third of the country’s spending on health care is unnecessary. Both Mr. Obama, of Illinois, and his Republican rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona, agree that significant sums could be saved through reductions in unneeded procedures and improvements in electronic record-keeping, prevention and chronic disease management.
But the dollar values Mr. Obama has attached to individual components of his plan are beginning to attract scrutiny. In particular, the Congressional Budget Office issued a report in May questioning the amount to be saved from the computerization of health systems.
Mr. Obama took his estimate of $77 billion a year from a 2005 study by the RAND Corporation (which cautioned that reductions of that magnitude would not emerge for 15 years). The Congressional analysts found, however, that for various methodological reasons the RAND study was “not an appropriate guide” to potential savings.
This month, Mr. Obama’s health advisers tried to recast the debate so that the questioning of any one number would not undermine the plan’s broader credibility. They enlisted eight health policy experts to sign a letter that, without endorsing the math behind any single initiative, proclaimed it was “not only possible, but likely” that Mr. Obama could save $200 billion annually. They did not say by when.
Mr. Cutler, who helped collect the signatures, said he and his colleagues had decided “that our attempt to lay out one plausible scenario for the savings had created more problems than it had solved.” He added: “Putting the debate where this message puts it — do you believe we can save 8 percent of health spending through a major series of public and private reforms — asks the question in a way that is much more productive than the issue of ‘Do you believe a single estimate among many, many studies?’ ”
Mr. Obama’s economic policy director, Jason Furman, said the campaign’s estimates were conservative and asserted that much of the savings would come quickly. “We think we could get to $2,500 in savings by the end of the first term, or be very close to it,” Mr. Furman said.
The campaign won additional backing this week from Kenneth E. Thorpe of Emory University, an authority on health care costs who helped formulate Bill Clinton’s failed plan in 1993. In an assessment that he initiated in coordination with the campaign, Mr. Thorpe wrote that if all of Mr. Obama’s proposals were enacted they would reduce health spending by between $203 billion and $273 billion by 2012. He calculated that half of the savings would accrue to the federal government.
The Obama advisers said that while not all of the savings would translate into lower premiums, consumers would gain in other ways. The savings to employers would be passed along as higher wages, they predicted, and the savings to government would eventually mean either lower taxes or added benefits.
But whether employers and governments respond that way cannot be guaranteed, particularly in a difficult economy. And a number of health policy experts have questioned whether the $2,500 projection is either fiscally or politically realistic. Reducing health care costs, they emphasized, means taking money from someone’s pocket and rationing care that Americans have come to expect, a recipe for stiff resistance.
“There is no easy money because, as the saying goes, one person’s fraud and abuse is another person’s income,” said Joseph R. Antos of the American Enterprise Institute. “I wouldn’t think that four years or eight years or probably 10 years will be enough to see numbers of that sort.”
The Commonwealth Fund, a health research group in New York, published a study in December projecting that a robust overhaul consisting of 15 broad initiatives would generate savings of only 6 percent after 10 years. “Doing it by the end of a first term is ambitious and would require tough policies,” said Karen Davis, the group’s president.
Jonathan B. Oberlander, who teaches health policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, called it wishful thinking. “Do they have the potential to generate significant savings in the long run?” Dr. Oberlander asked. “Yes. Do I believe they will produce substantial savings in the short run that can be used to finance Obama’s plan? No.”
The New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?_r=1&ref=policy&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 5:02 am 5:02 am

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 5:03 am 5:03 am

no natasha, it is not a nationalized health care, but more like the health insurance congress gets, only expanded.
i think that is what a lot of people are confused about, and that analysis helps to clear the confusion.
did you read it?

Posted by: sara | October 22, 2008, 5:04 am 5:04 am

natasha, thank you again.
that new york times article only talks about obamas plan without any comparison, so i went and looked at the commonwealth fund analysis they referenced.
even that one says obamas plan is much better than mccains in virtually all aspects.
i will print that one out as well to show my friends and relatives along with the other one.
thank you so much.

Posted by: sara | October 22, 2008, 5:19 am 5:19 am

oh yes, i knew about mrs rothschild, but i dont think she is a good example to give in that regard.
under mccain, she would receive an enormous tax cut given her great wealth, which would appear to be self serving.
and when she was supporting hillary, she said “we’ve had stronger economies, more wealth creation, under democratic presidents than we have under republican presidents”.
so i find her change of heart somewhat questionable.
Posted by: sara
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You as naive, and politically inept as That One. In fact, do not know what you are talking about.
Lady Lynn de Rothschild will be taxed more by Obama? You are really cluless – he needs her Foundation to do his “charity work”!
You do not even know what Lynn de Rothschild does and how she spends her money, yet you blurted your stupid comment in the same fashion socialists usually attack anybody who happens to have achieved some prosperity in their life.
Oh! I know…you have been taking lessons in putting your foot in your mouth by Joe Biden the “talking parrot”!
Btw, why was Lynn de Rothschild such a prominent memebr of the Democrstic National Committee (DNC Platform Committee) for so many years? You pathetic left-wing-liberal hypocrites!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 5:33 am 5:33 am

sarah
you dont know anything abou History there are direct paralells between the 1948 electon and the 2008 election Obama will lose if hes not up by 6 pts in every poll not just now but on election day and you will have to deal with it!

Posted by: JG | October 22, 2008, 5:34 am 5:34 am

oh my natasha.. that was uncalled for.
you really are not a very nice person after all.

Posted by: sara | October 22, 2008, 5:38 am 5:38 am

thank you JG, but i really do not care about polls or follow them at all.
i am just trying to decide who would the best choice to make for president.
good night

Posted by: sara | October 22, 2008, 5:45 am 5:45 am

no natasha, it is not a nationalized health care, but more like the health insurance congress gets, only expanded.
Posted by sara
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Mini Mouse- I suggest that you take the “Dumb Test”, too! (see link below)
Have you ever been outside the United States? Can you even find Europe on the map? Do you even know what Nationalized Medicine is? Of course you missed the last sentence of the New York Times article that says that Obama will not be able to fund his health care plan (yes, that LEMON of a plan).
I do not need you or the rest of the “Obama Communist Youth” to give me lessons of Obamanomics. You get it, baby?
Get out of your parents home and get a real job because you are louzy as an Obamabot!
Try McDonald’s.

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 5:54 am 5:54 am

Obama will save us, and will deliver us. Trust me.

Posted by: Karl | October 22, 2008, 5:57 am 5:57 am

WOW – NATASHA, HAVE YOU HAD YOUR RABIES SHOT LATELY?

Posted by: GEORGE | October 22, 2008, 6:05 am 6:05 am

i am just trying to decide who would the best choice to make for president.
Posted by: sara
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Oh please spare me…like from your comments it is not obvious that you are supporting Obama! Your immediate attack – discrediting Lynn de Rothschild’s endorecement of Senator McCain could have only been made by a left wing liberal Obama faithful. Do you Obamabots think that we are all as naive as That One?
Little that you know about where Lynn Forester comes from – middle class America. Her father worked two jobs to get 3 kids through medical, law school, etc. Yeap, Lynn was a succesful person (thanks to capitalist and not Socialist America) before she married her husband. You know that she graduated with a Law Degree from Columbia University, don’t you? (the same school that your “Chosen One” attended). Well the difference is that she and her husband run a repectable foundation to help others. Sorry she does not have any community organizing experience neither she spent her time associating with former terrorists. Of course, she has demonstrated good judgement while Obama left his brains at Harvard.
That’s OK – the DemocRATS can say anything they want about Lynn. It is their loss and McCain’s gain!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 6:24 am 6:24 am

You cannot get any more of a Big Government President than George Bush and John McCain. These guys not only believe in Big Government and socialism they make sure it happens. Actions speak louder than words!

Posted by: Jim | October 22, 2008, 6:25 am 6:25 am

Since her selection as John McCain’s running mate, the Republican National Committee spent more than $150,000 on clothing and make-up for Gov. Sarah Palin, her husband, children, and even her infant son, it was reported on Tuesday evening.
That entertaining scoop — which came by way of Politico –
It was revealed that Palin’s fashion budget for several weeks was more than four times the median salary of an American plumber ($37,514). To put it another way: Palin received more valuable clothes in one month than the average American household spends on clothes in 80 years. A Democrat put it in even blunter terms: her clothes were the cost of health care for 15 or so people.

Posted by: Jim | October 22, 2008, 6:31 am 6:31 am

Obama will save us, and will deliver us. Trust me.
Posted by: Karl
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Yeap, exactly like Carl Marx saved his “comrades”. Trust me.
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”.
Carl Marx
BOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 6:32 am 6:32 am

Natasha the rabid moose hunter! Shouldn’t you be heading back to Russia dear? I hear Putin is wanting his court jester back as he is getting bored in Georgia.

Posted by: Janice | October 22, 2008, 6:41 am 6:41 am

Does he really think that putting in a “work” requirement suddenly makes it NOT welfare? If you are paying NO taxes & still get money back, it’s still welfare, whether you are working or not. It is STILL redistribution of wealth which IS socialism.

Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 22, 2008, 6:46 am 6:46 am

Natasha
if Obama wins… which I think is far from certain at this point it will go over as the biggest political heist in history because he knows Hillary will give up and not run again in 2012 or 2016 for that matter even even if Obama is impeached it would be difficult for her to run again even though that will vindicate her!
Posted by JG
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Once again, you hit the nail on the head!
Hey JG, do you believe that the Clintons will really vote for Obama? Bill Clinton especially? Personally, I think that the Clintons owe nothing to Obama – he made his bed…let him sleep in it!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 6:46 am 6:46 am

Natasha is fun to watch.. she is the poster child for mental illness (along with all of her other personalities if you have been following her career).
she has probably convinced more people to vote for Obama than any of his television ads. if only we could sell tickets to her performances.. we could generate a fortune for Obamas campaign.

Posted by: Natasha the Moose Hunter! | October 22, 2008, 6:48 am 6:48 am

Sara – if it is healthcare provided by the government, then it IS nationalized healthcare. And I want NO part of it. The government getting into the healthcare business is what caused the healthcare crisis in the first place. All of our healthcare problems can be traced back to the creation of Medicare.

Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 22, 2008, 6:49 am 6:49 am

Vote McCain!! The polls mean nothing.

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 6:51 am 6:51 am

Posted by: Independant American Woman | October 22, 2008, 6:53 am 6:53 am

Right on ellsbells!!! we don’t need health insurance for americans.. we need to deregulate it like we did the financial market and buy it for ourselves. those liberals are just making it out worse than it really is!

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 7:06 am 7:06 am

Natasha the rabid moose hunter! Shouldn’t you be heading back to Russia dear? I hear Putin is wanting his court jester back as he is getting bored in Georgia.
Posted by: Janice |
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Dumbell- take the Dumb Test (see below)and stop your theatrics (Obama has done a good job with your theatrical training).
Hey O’Dummie- I may enjoy the ambiance of the Russian Tea Room (you probably have no clue what that is) bit from Russia I am not.
Oh! I know… you think that anyone who is not geopolitically as inept as you are and blasts Marxist Obama must be Russian! Oh! I know…the name Natasha leads you to that conclusion, too…Poor thing…you are really DUMB!
Bzzzt, I have already voted BOZO and it was NOT for THAT MARXIST ONE!
Ssssss, now…concentrate in your test… you do not want to fail the “Dumb Test”!!!! (see link)
http://www.quizrocket.com/dumb-test/1?tr=Take%20the%20DUMB%20TEST!&tr=Hey%20Dummy!!!!!&trt=9&gatherer_id=100522&utm_source=ValueClick&utm_medium=Pop&utm_campaign=DumbTestR1

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:09 am 7:09 am

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:10 am 7:10 am

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:11 am 7:11 am

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 7:15 am 7:15 am

Vote McCain!! The polls mean nothing.
Posted by: McMAN
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Haha! The left wing liberals will have a coniption come 12:01 am on November 5th!
I will be swinging our flag with pride and dancing with McCain-Palin and all patriotic Americans to the tune of this video…watch!
A USA Military History (Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6370539579217643597&hl=en
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:24 am 7:24 am

That was great Natasha!!! I like McCain because he is old and funny like my grandfather.. I just hope he doesn’t do the same things to little boys that my grandfather does though.. but other than that, he is fantastic! And I like how McCain will nuke Iran like he said in his song. We will put the fear of god in those darn arabs. Just say no to the big O!

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 7:29 am 7:29 am

Posted by: Goon | October 22, 2008, 7:36 am 7:36 am

You know it Natasha!!! we need to keep giving to the rich and McCain wants to give them even more.. Bush was the best president we ever had in history, so McCain will be even better!! Just say no to the big O!
Posted by: McMAN
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You mean big ZERO, hah?… :-)
Yeah, Zero would “spread the wealth” according to his…
“USA: The New Communist Experiment”
America just say NO to Big Zero!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:39 am 7:39 am

I love that they are spending all that money getting her dolled up, she is HOT! I can’t wait to see her in that porno movie Makin Palin! The left wing liberal media is saying she is stoopid, but you got to have smarts to do that sort of stuff! Just say no to the big O!

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 7:41 am 7:41 am

so you’re all concerned about the minutae of how Obama spends money, when now we know how fiscally responsible the RNC is – spending 150,000 on 3 months of clothes for Palin – more than her salary.
Posted by: Goon | Oct 22, 2008 7:36:05 AM
Yeah because a 150,000 dollars on clothers compares really well to 800,000 to ACORN.Its not to late to wake up and see Obama wants to take us down a dangerous path.

Posted by: reddog0216 | October 22, 2008, 7:44 am 7:44 am

Right on Natasha!!! I don’t buy that ‘spread the wealth’ crap either.. if its going to be spread, spread it up to the top!! If it were not for my boss, my kids wouldn’t get their used clothes from him! He said he will give me insurance when he gets more money, so I’m hoping McCain gets in there to give it to him. Just say no to the big O!!!

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am

Joe Biden, Barack HUSSEIN Obama’s running mate has these words regarding Obama’s “possible” presidency:
“Mark my words. It will not be six months before the world tests Barack Obama like they did John Kennedy. The world is looking,” Biden said. “Watch, we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy.”
Thank you, Joe, I DON’T VOTE TO INVITE ANY INTERNATIONAL CRISIS. My vote, AS SHOULD ALL AMERICAN VOTES, is to prevent any international crisis.
FOR THAT REASON, I’M VOTING MCCAIN.

Posted by: nononsense08 | October 22, 2008, 7:45 am 7:45 am

Joe is telling the truth Obama is seen as weak in The world Eyes.McCain is seen as someone to respect for not putting up with crap!

Posted by: reddog0216 | October 22, 2008, 7:47 am 7:47 am

You know it nononsense.. put in McCain and he will nuke the crap out of them just for lookin at us the wrong way.. we need to put the fear of god in them arabs and maybe some of those british libs as well!
Just say no to the big O!!

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 7:48 am 7:48 am

Amen big dog! those towel heads won’t know what hit them once McCain shoves a big nuker up their sorry butts!! We will show them who is boss and make them follow our will. That will teach them to mess with us!! Just say no to the big O!!

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 7:50 am 7:50 am

My take on “spread the wealth”.
Americans are generous people. We as the nation have been giving to each other and to other nations MORE THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRIES IN THE WORLD.
How have we been doing that so generously for so long?
That is because of our cpitalism and our belief in doing charity as god’s work.
WE DON’T NEED ANYONE IN THE GOVERNMENT, DEMOCRATS OR REPUBLICANS, TO TELL US TO SPREAD OUR WEALTH!
SO, OBAMA CAN SHUT HIS BIG MOUTH AND DON’T MESSWITH OUR GENEROSITY.
BTW, talking about charity. Has anyone looked at Biden $400 charity giving out of hundreds of thousands income? Check it out. It was reported by all major neyworks a couple weeks ago.
$400 charity giving out +$300,000.00 income from Joe Biden? AND THIS GUY HAS THE GUT TO TEACH US WHAT GENEROSITY IS ABOUT?!!!

Posted by: nononsense08 | October 22, 2008, 7:54 am 7:54 am

nononsense08,
Its only patriotic to pay taxes not to give to charity!!

Posted by: reddog0216 | October 22, 2008, 7:56 am 7:56 am

Chameleon! It must be really tough going through life without having a real opinion of your own, just blowing around in the wind.

Posted by: samhiguchi | October 22, 2008, 7:57 am 7:57 am

You are right.. Biden is a cheapscate sob.. us god fearing folk do more good than him.. and we should make it so that if you don’t belive in god like sarah and me, then you can just get the heck out of our country.. we don’t need those kind of people around here messing things up!
Just say no to the big O!!!

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 7:58 am 7:58 am

And what about that alternate fuel liberal hippie crap.. what a crock.. if there was such a thing then we would be using it by now. We need more drilling.. drill baby drill till it hurts!! Im so sick of hearing them leftnuts claiming there is stuff that can replace good old fashioned oil.. Just say no to the big O!!!

Posted by: McMAN | October 22, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am

Have you READ Barack’s tax plan? If you have you would KNOW that it has ALWAYS presented tax releif for WORKERS making $250,000 a year – thus a “work requirement”. He didn’t say it on the stump before because most people are SMART enough to know that you CAN’T GET tax relief if you don’t WORK! Elementary, my dears – elementary!
How STUPID this column is.
Posted by: Independant American Woman |
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It has ALWAYS presented tax releif for WORKERS making $250,000 a year – thus a “work requirement”???!!!
Whaaaat???? Is he now giving tax relief to the working “rich” ???!!!
Remember big O’s magic number: 95%!
95% will see their taxes go down, according to Obamanomics….
How stupid can some people be! In order to have 95% of Americans get a tax relief the only way you can achieve that is to start handing out checks. Most people are SMART enough to figure out that Zero is the biggest demagogue in American politics.
That Marxist One has totally brainwashed people with his “pretty speeches” and endless “flip-flops”.

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am

that if you don’t belive in god like sarah and me, then you can just get the heck out of our country..
Posted by McMAN
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Yeap, they better start packing their bags for Cuba or North Korea, RIGHT NOW!
They only got two weeks left!
LOL!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 8:32 am 8:32 am

Joe is telling the truth Obama is seen as weak in The world Eyes.McCain is seen as someone to respect for not putting up with crap!
Posted by: reddog0216
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Yes we want an American Hero as our President – not someone who daoes not place his hand over his heart during our National Anthem and refuses to wear the American Flag pin. Oh! You noticed- after we blasted big O for several months for not wearing the flag pin, he put in on during the last debate – the hypocrite!
Too late Big O!
Yes to McCain – our war hero and POW, who nearly lost his life for our country. We do noy want “whinning” Harvard “elitists” to run our country.
God Bless America!
Vote a US Navy hero to be our next Commander in Chief!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am

TIME magazine photo:
Obama: No Hand on Heart for National Anthem (photo)
http://www.time.com/time/photogallery/0,29307,1662530_1446035,00.html
ABC NEWS: Obama out of tune?
Obama: No Hand on Heart for National Anthem (video)
http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=3759803

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 8:56 am 8:56 am

well, according to this article, the democrat himself just admitted that wefare recipients don’t work. Wow. Finally the pig admits it.

Posted by: mm | October 22, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am

Karl,
Castro also ran on a platform of hope and change.

Posted by: mm | October 22, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Obama is going to say whatever it takes to get elected, and if elected, do whatever he wants. Don’t all politicians so this? This is why this man’s character and associations are so important – they give us an idea how the man will respond when he’s not pandering for votes. We’re well acquainted with John McCain. We are NOT well acquainted with Obama. Indeed, part of the thrust of his campaign is to keep us from getting to know him too well. I find that disturbing.

Posted by: Ariel | October 22, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

How about you have to pay taxes to get a tax cut? The least qualified candidate for President, EVER, wouldn’t think of that. Don’t worry ABC, the American people will hold you responsible for the fraud of portraying that Barack Obama had any chance of becoming President in this election.

Posted by: Jon Iscream | October 22, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

work requirement or not — that’s NOT THE POINT! Many people who will get Obama’s tax credits DON’T pay a dime of federal income tax. So Obama’s tax plan IS STILL WELFARE!!!!!

Posted by: KBog | October 22, 2008, 9:30 am 9:30 am

With all due respect to THAT ONE, he can say all he wants about his tax plan. It’s not in bill form and hasn’t been subjected to the games that the house and senate usually play with bills. What he or any other candidate says about his “plan” is irrelevant until the actual bill is written. And since every bill has so much fine print in it, there is no way we’ll ever know what it contains unless you read it yourself. Don’t bet on having the MSM tell you because they will cover up for Obama just has they have been doing the past two years for him. I have never seen a group of so called professional journalists do so much to help a candidate. Is it no wonder why so many have disdain for the major media including ABC?

Posted by: Larry the Liberal | October 22, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

Why is Obama against those on Military Pensions!
Those on pensions don’t pay FICA so Obama does not count them in on tax relief so that means he’s going to TAX those on Military Pensions and retirees.
I hope the millions of these4 people see this and wake up.

Posted by: navy65 | October 22, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

How can you give a tax cut to 98% of Americans when only 40% pay taxes???

Posted by: Tim | October 22, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

HHmmmm… Get out and vote for BARRACK.. HEY WAIT… Did he just say I was gonna hafta WORK???? Damn and I already voted….
pretty slick way to scam people. SHADY but slick..
PEOPLE VOTE MCCAIN!!!
http://www.myspace.com/blaxeed

Posted by: Toad | October 22, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Well, lets try Marxism for 4 years. Let’s see what happens.

Posted by: LongT | October 22, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Hey Teddy what is worst paying for Palin’s children to travel or Joe Biden giving over 1.5 Million to his family from his failed Presidental funds?

Posted by: chuck | October 22, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

It’s still a form of welfare when you get more money back from the IRS over what you paid in taxes (witholding etc).
40% of working americans pay no income tax (they get all their withholding back etc) yet he says he will cut taxes by 95% for working americans. Meaning they will get for example $3,000 back from the IRS when they only had $2,000 taken from their paycheck over the year. The extra amount is taken from that top 5% who earned it…it’s pure redistribution of wealth being called ‘TAX CUTS’.

Posted by: entice | October 22, 2008, 9:34 am 9:34 am

another lie of the minute from the obammmma team. IF you like REID and PELOSKI you will really like obammmma. WE THE PEOPLE will take back our country from FARekon AYERS and WRIGHT. Thank a democrat in NOV VOTE NO NO REID PELOSKI schummmer, obama

Posted by: bobo | October 22, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

One doesn’t need to read between the lines. Joe Biden is telling us not to elect Obama because he will bring great hardship to America in the way of international crisis. We don’t need another crisis.

Posted by: dennis d | October 22, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

HHmmmm… Get out and vote for BARRACK…
HEY WAIT… Did he just say I was gonna hafta WORK????
Damn and I already voted….
pretty slick way to scam people. SHADY but slick..
PEOPLE VOTE MCCAIN!!!
http://www.myspace.com/blaxeed

Posted by: Toad | October 22, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

“From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.” -Marx
“I just want to spread the wealth around.” -Obama

Posted by: mustang.freddy | October 22, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

This is great ! It means we don’t have to work anymore. OBOBO is gonna give us free money !! Just thinking here though, whats he gonna do next year, when there is no money left to give out???? Well, lets take all we can, while we can.

Posted by: BO BO DIDDLEY | October 22, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

Hmmmmm…trickle down doesn’t work? Over the last eight years the middle-class has shrunk by 11%. But guess what, the upper-class has grown by that same 11%. Sounds like trickle down economics is working. Just because you won’t get off your lazy butt and try to make it doesn’t mean you should penalize everyone else for trying.

Posted by: Steve | October 22, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

I have been a voter since 1973. Despite many promises I have NEVER received a middle class tax cut from ANY DEM either locally or nationally. Don’t buy the OBAMA BS. Before Christmas he will back off this promise and blame Bush. READ MY LIPS. THERE WILL BE NO OBAMA MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT.

Posted by: Mike Benjamin | October 22, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

Obama’s the tax plan, “FOOL AIDE”!

Posted by: navy65 | October 22, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

I am so sick of people saying B.O. is a “closet marxist” or “closet socialist.” It is very clear that he is completely OUT of the closet and a TOTAL Marxist Socialist!

Posted by: TonyM | October 22, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am

So!
Obama is getting rid of welfare.. do the “welfare people” (I put it in quote so you could identify what yo want to call the racist comment) know Obama’s cutting out their “feed” ??
WORK? Sounds like the socialist is turning full communist!

Posted by: earl lutz | October 22, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Ok sober up people.Stop drinking the OBAMA KOOLAID. He has NEVER ever supported a TAX CUT in his LIFE. Chicago Liberals just raised Sales Tax to 10.25% on EVERYONE not just the RICH.
There will be NO MIDDLE CLASS TAX CUT from OBAMA

Posted by: Dennis D | October 22, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

“Independant American Woman”
You say: Have you READ Barack’s tax plan? If you have you would KNOW that it has ALWAYS presented tax releif for WORKERS making $250,000 a year – thus a “work requirement”.
Psst…Someone forgot to tell Obama:
“They started saying this was welfare,” said Obama adviser Austan Goolsbee. “So, just so they would absolutely not be able to say that, … we’ll simply add a work requirement.”
I say Obama will promise you anything you want to hear to win. So far it is working very well as many Americans hold out there hand and say “Me, me”. Come January that hand will still be empty. As Universal Health care collapse around the word (and here as in Hawaii). Obama plans to socialize America to bring us down the the economic level of other countries and “Spread our wealth around” the world.

Posted by: JustAMan | October 22, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

For clarification, McCain was against the Bush tax cuts originally because there were no spending cuts to go along with them, not because he was against reducing taxes. He has been consistent in this point and has said he will implement spending freezes/cuts to coincide with these tax cuts.
Also, for additional clarification, Obama’s tax plan calls for the removal of the FICA ceiling on earnings, meaning everyone making over $97,500 (or whatever the ceiling is scheduled to be next year) will now be paying an extra 6.2% on everything over the ceiling. So much for no one making less than $250k not getting a tax increase.
Way to be upfront with the American people…

Posted by: Jeff | October 22, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am

As a CPA for 32 years, I studies Obama’s statements and proposals.
I can only say that he is quite the liar. I don’t trust him.

Posted by: Louis Reeder | October 22, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am

I deserve my check I ain;t gonna work I like to sleep till 10 stay up all night and watch Jerry Springer every day! Obama in 08!

Posted by: Tayeshea | October 22, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

Obama has an answer for everything. Too bad tax dollars all come from the same pool. Too bad that no matter how much he “gives” back that it has to come from somewhere.
All of you who are voting for Obama because of his economic promises are in for a rude awakening. Taxes are not good for businesses or jobs. In fact, it is an easy way to make American businesses less competitive on the world market. Who cares if you get a tax cut which puts money in your pocket if the business that you work for has to cut your job in order to cut costs? Is Detroit not a good enough example for you people??? Higher taxes, higher wages, higher costs, make us less competitive.
Many of you people are going to vote yourself out of a job. Good luck with that.

Posted by: Don | October 22, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am

Trickle Down does work. How do you think the Clinton 90s was so good. Venture Capital fed into DOT COMS created Jobs. In fact Clinton even removed money from the bottom with Welfare Reform. Trickle Down on Steroids.

Posted by: Dennis D | October 22, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Ok, let’s get something straight. Welfare with a work requirement is still welfare only now it includes involuntary service to the state. We use to have a name for that. I believe we called it “slavery.”
How ironic that masochistic voters want to elect BO to lead the US into slavery on a golden leash. I believe Anna Rand called this crawling to your Master while you being Him His whip.
No wonder the left is excited. And He’s soooo handsome. And His voice has just the right tone.

Posted by: TOM | October 22, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Posted by: Mike | October 22, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Everyone’s missing the bigger issue with this article. Its the fact that Obama and his advisors feel like they can just create new policy as they go to try to fix all the problems. GOVERNMENT DOESN’T FIX PROBLEMS, THEY CREATE THEM!!! Our dependence on foreign energy, and the housing bubble are all Democrat/Big Government problems for interfering with the free market.

Posted by: Tired | October 22, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Former CBS anchorman Dan Rather says there is a huge double-standard in the media when it comes to coverage the Barack Obama campaign receives, which is clearly made evident in the lack of scrutiny given to comments Obama’s vice presidential running mate Sen. Joe Biden made earlier this week.
On Sunday, Biden said that electing Obama president will generate “an international crisis” within the first six months of his new administration because America’s enemies will want to test Obama.
“Watch — we’re gonna have an international crisis, a generated crisis, to test the mettle of this guy,” Biden assured. “I don’t know what the decision is going to be, but I promise you it will occur. As a student of history, and having served with seven presidents, I guarantee you it is going to happen.”
Rather, speaking today on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” cable program, told host Joe Scarborough that if Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin had said such a thing about her running mate John McCain, it would be “the top story in every major American paper and on every network.”
Rather says the Obama campaign “can’t be happy” about Biden’s comments and is surprised there haven’t been more political ramifications to Biden’s gaffe.
“Certainly if Sarah Palin had said this, it would be above the fold in most newspapers today,” Rather said. “But let me point out that what happens on the Internet may be as important, or more important, than what’s happening in newspapers,” he added, referring to the spotty mainstream media coverage.
“I’ll be surprised if this doesn’t have a run on the Internet, because if Sarah Palin had said this, the newspapers would have jumped all over it, and so would the major television outlets.”

Posted by: Mark Garnett | October 22, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

They can raise taxes all they want. More than half my personal business is done in cash only or money orders made out to ‘cash’. Only suckers pay taxes easy to get around most of them if you know how.

Posted by: Tony | October 22, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Even if his plan is for working people only, it is still welfare because 40% of workers don’t pay income tax. Obama campaign say “this will offset payroll taxes”, but payroll taxes fund social security and medicare and every employee has too pay these taxes to fund SS and medicare…it is the law. What Obama essetially wants to do is take INCOME taxes from hard working Americans making and hand out checks to low income workers to offset SS and Medicare taxes they pay. Not only is this redistribution of income i.e. Socialism…it will also have the net affect of granting SS and Medicare benefits to people who are not paying for those benefits.

Posted by: Brian R | October 22, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

To all all the colored folk reading:
Why are you stupid? Same promises from these people for the past 40 years and nothing has changed and we are told the situation for you is worse. The definition of stupidity is doing the same thing over and over hoping the result will be different this time. The Democrats have used you and destroyed the colored family..I feel sorry for you being lied and abused, but it is your own damn fault! I am an immigrant from Senegal in Africa and have done fine in America, irregardless of my skin color !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Magotu Ferd Berfall | October 22, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

Anytime you give a “tax credit” to someone who already receives every cent of income taxes in his tax return, you are implementing a welfare program.
Keep the change.

Posted by: Stephen Woodworth | October 22, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

During this election year let’s be reminded of these words:
* You cannot help the poor, by destroying the rich.
* You cannot strengthen the weak, by weakening the strong.
* You cannot bring about prosperity, by discouraging thrift.
* You cannot lift the wage earner up, by pulling the wage payer down.
* You cannot further the brotherhood of man, by inciting class hatred.
* You cannot build character and courage, by taking away people’s
initiative and independence.
* You cannot help people permanently, by doing for them what they could and
should, do for themselves.
Do you recognize the author?
It was Abraham Lincoln
Very, very wise words, and after almost 150 years the Democrats still don’t
get it…..

Posted by: David | October 22, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

lol. Pathetic. Like any of this matters anyway. Anyone who truly believes that Obama will cut ANYONE’S taxes is only fooling themselves. At this point, Obama could make a catastrophic flip-flop, and the media would report it as a mere “tweak”.

Posted by: coloradorocket123 | October 22, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

I suppose working for Acorn, the “Brownshirts for Obama Org” will constitute “Work”.
Anyone who doen’t beleive their taxes are going up…(ANYONE ANY INCOME) is fooling themselves. It is part of the Liberal DNA to raise taxes…add to it he is a Socialist, it is a recipe for economic disaster.

Posted by: Mark D. | October 22, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

This is pure socialism. it’s called the “living wage” approach.

Posted by: geevill | October 22, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

It’s nice to know that all of your well-thought, meticulously studied votes will be cancelled out by some Acorn-recruited homeless guy…
Gotta love Obama! The Chicago Machine conquers America.

Posted by: Don | October 22, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

Why would Barack Obama and the DNC File a Motion to Delay Delivery of Obama’s Citizenship Documents?
Well, I’ll take a wild guess. Maybe he doesn’t have any that haven’t been Photoshopped.
It seems that Obama’s team assumed that this case would be dismissed by now. But the judge is taking his time; not sure what that means…

Posted by: JED | October 22, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

Natasha, you wouldn’t know Karl from Groucho.

Posted by: YWI | October 22, 2008, 9:53 am 9:53 am

Redistribution of wealth annilates all HOPE of prosperity.

Posted by: 2centsworth | October 22, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

The one aspect of this election that has just stunned me (but maybe it shouldn’t) is how the media has dropped all pretense at being unbiased. They have “slurped” B.O. up one side and down the other and protected him from having to account for any inconsistencies in his policies.
The American people are slowly but surely dropping the media – and there will be many off the new unemployed in the world of journalism.

Posted by: Traci | October 22, 2008, 9:56 am 9:56 am

Welfare is only a dirty word because it’s code for helping out poor people. When Republicans spend their entire time in office looking for ways to offer welfare to billionaires, it’s perfectly OK.

Posted by: Tony | October 22, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

Calling the Tax Policy Center, set up by the Brookings Institute, “non-partisan” is like calling the Soviet Union “free”.
Liberal media bias? Naaaah…

Posted by: Joe | October 22, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

“We made it explicit among ourselves,” says Obama economic advisor Austan Goolsbee. How rich.
I wonder what else has been made “explicit” just among the Obama advisors, but not to us rubes in the electorate? Sounds like a question a crack political reporter like ABC News’ Teddy Davis, Hope Ditto, Arnab Datta, and Ferdous Alfaruque might want to ask….but I won’t hold my breath waiting.

Posted by: Winston Smith | October 22, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

How can he “add” a work requirement, when he initially was saying that this cut was only for “working Americans”. What’s the matter, Obama can’t keep his lies straight?

Posted by: Susan | October 22, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

J.O.B.S., tax cuts, rich pay their share – that’s how the “Wealth” is going to be distributed and I’m all for it.
Obama/Biden ’till 2024

Posted by: Jenna | October 22, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

J.O.B.S., tax cuts, rich pay their share – that’s how the “Wealth” is going to be distributed and I’m all for it.
Obama/Biden ’till 2024

Posted by: Jenna | October 22, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

“Lets put it this way if you take 32,000 from a rich person they will not invest that amount into their business and they will not hire another employee. Now take that 32,000 and spread it out over 32 “poor” people, what are they going to do with it? Spend it at Walmart? Fill their gas tanks? In other words send the money to China or to OPEC? So in all the economy not only lost $32000 and sent it overseas, you have kept another job from being created.”
Actually, you kind of proved my point. If we tax the rich this amount… they will eventually see this money back into their pockets.
Allow me to explain. The Middle class (And to a lesser extent, so do the lower class) account for the vast majority of spending for this country. We buy the CDs, the Gaming Systems, The Flat Screen TVs, Clothes, Shoes, Food, Gas.. etc, etc. Granted, yeah the Rich account for a great deal of spending, but the vast majority of the time the Rich.. keep their money or reinvest in their own company or whatnot… they can do that.. sure.. it’s their perogative.
Now everyone complains about “Hollywood Liberals” about how they are saying Vote Obama (For the most part) from Matt Damon to P-Diddy.. now why would they want to vote for someone who OBVIOUSLY wants to raise their taxes?
I believe they feel this way because they see all the angles. If the middle class is given more money you will see it pay dividends for the Economy… because we WILL buy all that crap… it’s all about competing with the Joneses.
Regarding arguments that the Rich will take their business elsewhere.. .or what about the jobs that get taken away because of the tax hikes… well that argument is flawed, because the money will see it’s way back into their hands for one… for two… Business Owners that are somewhat intelligent are going to incorporate their businesses and get tax breaks in that way, plus under Obama’s plan they would receive incentives to keep jobs here in the US.

Posted by: Ryan | October 22, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Why are we rewarding the Party who destroyed the American ecnomy by liberalizing Fannie and Fraddy Mac THE DEMOCRATS! Obama is a communist, Giving away the house and taxing the producers! Day one if Obama wins, I am not shure he will will win the polls seem to go from 1.2% to ten percent when he has lost steam, Business leaves the USA, Stock Market is at 4500, 80% of CEOS and economists don’t suport Obama! Obama is 1000000000000000 times worse that Carter, at least had a birth cerificate and was a Governor, Obama is a ZERO! You want a depression of world wide proportion vote Obama. No one will be buying houses, you will have 25-40% unemployement, there wel be no money for soup lines! Obama is nothing but a COMMY un American fraud!

Posted by: NoCOMMYOBAMA | October 22, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Gut feeling is the U.S. is in for a rude awaking if Obama is elected. The man has openly stated his desire to spread the wealth around, thus the Gov’t will be deciding what to do with your hard earned money because they believe that taxing and spending will be helpful during an on coming recession. The only jobs will be Gov’ jobs digging ditches and working on the roads this sounds like a Marxist state.

Posted by: Tobias2012 | October 22, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

I’m rich!!!!! Didn’t get any stimulus, didn’t get the kid credit…I should feel great right…why shouldn’t they take more from me and give to someone else…let’s see, my teacher mother and teacher father struggled to pay for college, I did the work, struggled with entry level jobs, worked hard, went to grad school while I worked, now I have to give it back…please explain this to me…f Obama and all you lazy socialist pigs

Posted by: stevedc | October 22, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

The big questions here are:
Why does Barry Hussein Obama keep “tweaking” his plans and proposals (in response to criticism)?
Answer: Because his critics are correct and he will do anything to fool the people into electing him President. The drive by media never calls him on these flip flops.
Is the constant flip flopping and the denial of things that Barry actually said any indicator of how much we can trust him once he is elected President?
Answer: YES.

Posted by: ricardo maxwell | October 22, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

Obama doesn’t have a clue what he is doing. He changes like the wind. Took him three days to make a comment when Russia invaded Georgia. Took him two days to respond to the financial crisis.The media reported it as a calm reaction to a crisis. Yeah right. He had to talk to his advisors before making any statement because he doesn’t have a clue.

Posted by: Linda/Michigan | October 22, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Does the fact that Barry “tweaked’ his plan indicate that his critics are correct, it really is a welfare plan?

Posted by: ricardo maxwell | October 22, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am

If you think he’s flip-flopping now, wait until he gets in and can’t find a nickel to make any of his programs work. Remember the tax cuts are in place for another year. So put your lazy hands back in your pockets, you’re not collecting right away! And if you think you’ll have the last laugh collecting from the small business “rich”, laugh all you want, YOU’LL be the one WE’LL be laying off to pay for The Great O’s taxes. And for those not familiar with Chicago Style politics, read up, it’s ugly. Our city is broke, laying off, huge rise in murders, schools failing, our current governor is under investigation, our last governor is in jail, (we had two others go to jail also), the County is in shambles, AND we’re the proud home of Billy the Bomber Ayers AND The Rev. Jeremiah Wright. I think that says it all!!!

Posted by: Jenny | October 22, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Hey Republican morons… Since the only people your party cares about are the already rich, how do you expect them to stay rich if the tax burden is on the middle class? The middle class is who buys their products!
If you use the word socialism or communism to describe Obama’s plan, which is simply a return to the sane fiscal practices of the Reagan and Clinton eras, then you’re hopeless and you need to feed your brain with something besides Rush Limbaugh and Fox news. Don’t worry, I know you won’t.

Posted by: Tony | October 22, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am

Obama is the anti-christ…he is a marxist and will destroy this nation…

Posted by: mex | October 22, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

regarding:
Barack Obama, in an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, admits that he shares the above Marxist economic theory. Watch this (5:47 into the clip, but watch the whole clip):
“If am sittin’ pretty, and you’ve got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can’t, what’s the big deal for me to say I’m going to pay a little bit more… that is neighborliness”
The problem with this Mr. O is that you take away our freedom of choice. Most Americans are very generous and are willing to help their neighbors when they are in need but no one wants to be TOLD they MUST do it. That borders on a POLICE STATE and I for one WILL NOT STAND FOR IT.
Here’s hoping we Americans who are still strong, self sufficient and ambitious will seal your fate come Nov 4th.

Posted by: Aedyn | October 22, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

All of you “Clinton was great” tards need to remember the Dot Com Bubble. Of course the Dot Com industry took in venture capital. Do you know how many of these businesses were actually profitable? Hardly any. Do you know how many failed? A huge amount of them. The bubble was popping as Bush took office.
Unemployment during the Clinton years was the same as the Bush years. You have drank the media kool-aid. The Clinton years seem better in your mind, but in reality, they were basically the same.
TAXES ARE NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS. IT DOES NOT CREATE JOBS, IT INCREASES COSTS TO THE BUSINESS AND THE CONSUMER OF THEIR PRODUCTS AND SERVICES.
CUT GOVERNMENT SPENDING AND THEN CUT CORPORATE TAXES.

Posted by: Don | October 22, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

Why are we calling this a “flip flop” instead of what it is, a correction based on justifiable criticism? I mean, if someone points out a flaw in his plan, he isn’t allowed to fix it?

Posted by: Duff | October 22, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

The basic elements in this election are strategy by the democrats to frame George Bush and John McCain – together – at the far right and themselves as in the middle.
Fact is George W. Bush IS the far right. And Barack Obama IS the far left.
These are scary times when someone with as little background as Barack Obama can come on the national stage and be allowed to reshape political strategy and pound Americans with advertising beyond measure.
We are saving and doing all we can to insure that we may survive if he wins. These politicians will do nothing to help the middle class, but Obama will DO SOMETHING TO US. He says he won’t tax us, but you watch. We will be in on the first, second and third tax increases in an Obama administration. That is because you CANNOT have the SIZE of government that dude wants without HUGE across the board tax increases.
We have been reading up with sources like Suze Orman and http://www.StickyAsset.com to get our house in order.
We hope McCain wins. Not because he won’t raise our taxes. He probably will, too. But….it won’t be as bad as what Obama will do to this nation.
Mark my word.
John

Posted by: John | October 22, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

OBAMA, AGAIN, IS CHANGING OR LYING ABOUT HIS POSITION ON AN ISSUE AND THE MEDIA GIVE HIM A PASS.
OBAMA IS FOR UNIVERSAL WELFARE.

Posted by: jamie | October 22, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

“How can he “add” a work requirement, when he initially was saying that this cut was only for “working Americans”. What’s the matter, Obama can’t keep his lies straight?”
Thank you, Susan, for an excellent post. I guess the media is too dumb to figure this out.

Posted by: ricardo maxwell | October 22, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

Hmm a tweak in his plan. Perhaps he should tweak it some more and get rid of the marriage tax portion of his plan.

Posted by: edlaw | October 22, 2008, 10:07 am 10:07 am

To bah:
If you are so bent on Socialism then move to Europe.
This is not a socialist country. And by the way the reason we are in a war is that the First Black President William Jefferson Clinton’s international policy did not exist. Launcing your aresenal of cruise missles at targets is not a policy. For 8 years he didn’t do anything. Then Bush comes along and gets a kick in the nuts from bin Laden. I agree the war in Iraq is sketchy, however, we had to stand up to the arab world (its about saving face – which Clinton lost for us).
So yes Bush is out, fine, but do not replace him with Obama. His term (I hope only one) will be filled with Clinton like scandals, corruption and a led by comittee style of leadership. Thats not leadership, thats inexperience and cowardice. He may talk a big game, but I don’t see him backing it up.
Again – this is a democratic republic. If you want Socialism -leave my country that I have fought for.
GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Posted by: Goody | October 22, 2008, 10:08 am 10:08 am

OBAMA WANTS TO TAKE MY HARD EARNED MONEY AND GIVE IT AWAY TO SOMEONE WHO WANTS TO SIT ON A COUCH……..THAT’S WELFARE FOR EVERYONE!!!

Posted by: PAT | October 22, 2008, 10:09 am 10:09 am

There is no way in hell Obama and the democratically controlled Senate and House will approve any kind of tax cut. Never!

Posted by: LongT | October 22, 2008, 10:10 am 10:10 am

Isn’t it amazing. A simple answer for everything. I’ve had it with the Obama campaign.

Posted by: Had enough | October 22, 2008, 10:11 am 10:11 am

Suckers-Warren Buffet has made BILLIONS
with tax rates in the mid-teens to high twenties.He made his fortune-He doesn’t care any more .Good luck trying to make yours-You libs are morons !

Posted by: Matt | October 22, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

Unbelievable!! He gets called on the carpet by McCain and all of a sudden he changes course and says now they will have to work.
That should make those that would benefit from his cash give away thrilled. Imagine that, they might actually have to earn it instead of the government giving them something for sitting around doing nothing and to those having babies that we as taxpayers end up having to support.
Talk about a Flip Flop. What else is he going to change in the next few days?
Wise up folks, I am all for change but this is not going to be pretty if he is elected.

Posted by: Albie | October 22, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

We all know that the vast majority of blacks will vote for Obama. These are facts that many in the black community may be interested in. The Bush administration has spent more money than any other president including Clinton on education, job training and healthcare. He spent 18.8 Billion for black colleges, 1.4 billion for education, 24 billion for small loans and grants, 10 billion for medicaid which is insurance for low income. Bush provided 15 billion to fight aids in Africa and has appointed more blacks to high level postions that any other president. The republican party believes in schools of choice unlike their democratic counterparts. So it seems to me that if you’re black, you’re voting for the wrong party.

Posted by: Linda/Michigan | October 22, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

Irony is that, in Chicago there were more murders over the summer than deaths of US soldiers in IRAQ. I guess obama is really tough on crime, and his policys really worked there.
also
I dont think that Obama is a Marxist.
I think he is a Facist. He is willing to raise taxes, and then tell you if you participate in specific activites we will not tax you. That way he can manupulate the economy. Instead of calling it a tax break for public service, he should call it a penalty for not doing public service. that is the same thing right, just a little different spin.
I dont know about you, but how far is he willing to push this, it seems like
this is what obama is saying.
if you dont live like I want you to live, I will tax you in to utter submission. but if you live like I want you to, everyone will be happy.
that scares me.
Hope all is well.

Posted by: Benjamin Burkley | October 22, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

As a Navy Vet I’m voting for the steady hand at the till. After reading this blog for the last few minutes it’s become apparent to me that it’s fairly well divided down the middle. There really are stark differences in the political philosophies of the two presidential candidates. In my mind it really comes down to who do I think will do a better job at running the United States instead of “What’s in it for me?” Quite a few of the Obama supporters give off the air that they are somehow owed something by their fellow citizens. I was brought up to believe that you get what you work for. Nothing more, nothing less. To think that you are in some way being dissed because someone has more than you do is to lead a life of misery. If you desire more from your life work harder, go to school, refine your skills and you’ll lead a happier life all around. Don’t expect people who have made this effort in life to support those who have not. For if we do, what is the incentive to succeed? America has always prided itself as the land of opportunity. Let’s keep our proud traditions intack. The forced redistribution of wealth will only result in less wealth. One last closing thought. With all of the tax breaks, tax credits, and givebacks that Obama is proposing, how much of this is going to be paid for by the top 5% of wage earners. Considering 40% pay no taxes it would seem to me that everyone better think long and hard about where all of this money is coming from. Combine this with the fact that Obama has stated he will let the Bush tax cuts expire and you can see that either one of two things are going to happen for Obama to enact his tax plan: 1) he mortgages your kids futures for your expense by borrowing massive amounts of money to distribute as he pleases, or 2) that “top 5%” will come creeping down to bite quite of few of you Obama supporters in the arse.

Posted by: Jimbo | October 22, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

What about those of us who’ve been responsible and paid down, or off, our mortgages? How do we get the credit???

Posted by: gabelu | October 22, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Tony, you moron, if the top 10% of wage earners pay 77% of the taxes, how do the middle class pay the highest portion…you must have gone to some non-accredited high school or college…the middle class gets the kid credit, got the stimulus…please, show us the arithmetic you are using…dumb liberal…

Posted by: stevedc | October 22, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

The work requirement is a no-brainer… ACORN is always hiring!

Posted by: 2centsworth | October 22, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

I THINK OBAMA’S COCAINE USE HAS EFFECTED HIS BRAIN.
OBAMA = WELFARE FOR ALL! NO NEED TO WORK

Posted by: KIM | October 22, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

The troubling thing about the Obama “tax plan” isn’t as much the increase of progressivism as how it’s being used. The current rates are so progressive that the top 50% of workers pay almost all the taxes and the bottom 50% pay almost none. You can’t get much more “progressive” than that, unless the taxpayers at the top of the scale no longer just pay for all the government services, as they do now, but will also be forced to make direct cash payments to those near the bottom. This is just a naked transfer of wealth, and that should trouble any thinking person.

Posted by: Nick C. | October 22, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

So, Obama’s going to be president.
I hate it, but guess what?
We’ll be fine. Some individuals will lose jobs, some folks will get tax rebates.
The country will still be fine regardless of who gets in. The two a both borderline socialist, but they are temporary nuisances.
Obama will appoint two young, liberal Supreme Court justices to replace two old, liberal Supreme Court justices.
Either candidate will be a one-term president.

Posted by: Bert | October 22, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

DON’T BE A BO-BOT!
VOTE AGAINST SOCIALISM!!

Posted by: Joe Curtis | October 22, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

Free money is welfare no matter how you dish it up. If you do not pay federal income tax and get a refund check form the government that is redistribution of income and that is socialism as well as welfare. BTW, people who think Republicans in Washington are the root of corporate welfare and give aways to the rich are so sadly mistaken-Democrats are as guilty as Republicans just as liberals and conservatives. Don’t think for a second there will be some sort of miracle from Obama with respect to taxing the rich, corporate welfare, Wall Street responsiblity etc. etc. The Washington politicans run their political machines with money from rich individuals and corporations. You liberals have been hoodwinked into thinking that Obama is some sort of grassroots politician that is one of you-nothing could be further from the truth he is a big money politician bought and paid for by the rich liberals in this country and from foreign countries. Now Obama will have to give back to those people and believe me he will at the cost of every American. Liberals think they are going to get something out of this, what a joke-Obama has offered up all this free stuff to get your vote-it’s chump changes compared to the money that his rich friends will make as a result of their support.

Posted by: Bud | October 22, 2008, 10:17 am 10:17 am

People, If anybody would care to know defense spending was much higher as a % of GDP in the 1980,s. Barrack will be a disaster in every sense of the word. I for one am middle class and have never made more than 65,000 dollars. The socialist/marxist/liberals are so unhappy with their own lives that they need to go after successful people to bring them down. The fact as unquallified as you may think Sarah Palin is, she is that much more qualified than Barrack. This is a nightmare where all the bitter people in the U.S try to blame their ills on President Bush and the republicans.
The liberation of Iraq was a good thing. Standing up for Life is a good thing. Lowering tax rates for everyone was a good thing. The bottom 40% of wage earners pay no income tax already. They are not entiteled to other Americans money.
What we are witnessing is no different to what has happened in Cuba and Venezuala. The mortgage and housing meltdown is the result of many players. They are the democrats in congress who thought it was a good thing to give mortgages to people with no credit history. The mortgage brokers, the people who took out these mortgages, Alan Greenspan, and the whores on wall street who by the way represent the worst of both parties.
What we are getting into with Barrack is really scary, and I believe it may set us back as a country to a point that we may not be able to recover from.

Posted by: Mark McDermott | October 22, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

If almost 50% will pay 0 taxes, the fact they are working does not mean the credits will not go well beyond the 0 dollars paid… They will be getting a check from the IRS when they pay 0…therefore, it is still welfare.

Posted by: Derek | October 22, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

barack, once again will do and say anything to get elected. joe biden even says barack will make the wrong decision when confronted. who believes barack can afford to cut 95% of americans taxes and do all his programs he has in mind? what a deceiver! sorry in advance america.

Posted by: easy brown | October 22, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

Under the DNC platform, the tax cuts are for 95% of working Americans, and the benefits will still go to the non-working welfare rolls. The DNC candidate has zero experience in decreasing spending or in cutting pork. He is a big pork barrel spender himself. He looks just like Carter who sounded good, but couldn’t deliver on promises and just was horrible in the long-run for everyone.

Posted by: Sahree | October 22, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

I think a lot of people on the “left” are underestimating the backlash on the “right” if this “redistrubution” plan becomes reality.

Posted by: Mark | October 22, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

I’m still waiting for the middle-class tax cut that Bill Clinton promised me. Who in their right mind believes a Democrat who promises a tax cut?

Posted by: Nick C. | October 22, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

There’s a key word that I dont understand. ” give” If the gov’t raises taxes, it wont be giving, it would be the gov’t taking. there is a difference. I haven’t ever met someone who says they don’t pay enough taxes. Anyone can “give” the gov’t anything over what they owe.

Posted by: will it end | October 22, 2008, 10:23 am 10:23 am

Whether there is a work requirement or not, the fact that someone who pays no income tax (40% of Americans, most are democrats)and recieves a redsitribution check from Comrade Obama, constitutes welfare. Anyone who would argue otherwise, should join the committee for language.

Posted by: Steve | October 22, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

One can work and still get welfare.
Receiving more than you have earned will always be welfare.

Posted by: EJ | October 22, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Obama’s numbers do not add up to anything but a huge tax increase for everybody or deficit spending which will make the current debt look small. Obama is running the biggest vote buying operation in history and people are falling for it. He will not deliver what he promises and he will announce a huge tax increase for all within 3 months after taking office.

Posted by: brian | October 22, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

95% of all americans that Obama stated was in reference to those making less than $250,000 a year. It had nothing to do with a work requirement. This is CLEARLY the democrats rewriting history…and their own proposals so as to counter the socialist accusations coming from the right. Let’s face it, Obama…and democrats in general ARE more socialist than the republicans. There’s really no denying that. The question isn’t whether the Dem’s are more socialist (they are), the question should be “is this a good or bad thing?” Why the Dem’s don’t make that the debate is beyond me. Trying to dress up socialism as anything else isn’t fooling anyone. If they are embarrassed by it…then change their platform.
Unfortunately, this will be the USSA soon. (United Socialist States of America).
If you don’t understand what socialism is…and what it leads too…go look up what political party Hitler came to power on…you’ll get a little lesson in history.

Posted by: ObamaFlipFlop | October 22, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

The more I read about President Obama the more impressed with him I become. In less than 2 weeks this country will have a new beginning and be delivered from the dismal disaster that the Republicans led our country in. We have the largest amount of poor people in the world living in conditions that make the poorest 3rd world country look good. The rich have a moral obligation to help those poorer than them. I would like to see all tax breaks for anyone making over 75,000 removed. Due to the horrible economy that Bush, Cheney and the other racist Republicans created I have been unable to find work. This is not my fault. Hopefully the democrats will recover all the seats and kick the republicans where they belong. I hope they create a constitutional ammendment outlawing the Republican Party. Most true Americans agree with me. Down with the racist deplorable Republicans.

Posted by: Roxanne Forager | October 22, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Three-card Monte, also known as the Three-card marney, Three-card trick, Three-card shuffle, Triplets, Follow the lady, Find the lady, or Follow the Bee is a confidence game in which the victim, or mark, is tricked into betting a sum of money that they can find the money card, for example the queen of spades, among three face-down playing cards. In its full form, the three-card Monte is an example of a classic short con in which the outside man pretends to conspire with the mark to cheat the inside man, while in fact conspiring with the inside man to cheat the mark.
It should be noted that even if the game is played without the usual sleight of hand, it is unfair to the players, as the payout is invariably even money, whereas the true odds are 2/1.
This confidence trick has a great deal in common with the shell game.

Posted by: LongT | October 22, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

Wow – that was easy. Obama just makes up some policy with the wave of a wand and millions of his hard core poverty stricken followers will be screwed? Why do I think he might be full of crap?

Posted by: Daito | October 22, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Wow – that was easy. Obama just makes up some policy with the wave of a wand and millions of his hard core poverty stricken followers will be screwed? Why do I think he might be full of crap?

Posted by: Daito | October 22, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

Obama and the Marxist Ayers are much closer than Obama admits. More and more data is coming out showing Obama had many more associations with the ” unrepentant terrorist, Marxists” How many of you Democrats would have the good sense to not associate with somebody like Ayers? How can you vote for somebody who doesn’t exercise as much common sense as you have personally? Wake up- Obama is a fraud.

Posted by: brian | October 22, 2008, 10:27 am 10:27 am

just google “OBAMA NOT EXACTLY LIST” its all you need to know!!! Don’t be stupid people

Posted by: angry bob | October 22, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Obama’s words indicate he’s a Marxist who hates American Exceptionalism. Biden indicates Obama will retreat from Evil in the coming months, and the Media won’t admit Frank, Dodd and Obama enabled, encouraged, even strong armed the lending and subsequent buying of bad loans by Fannie mae that puts us in the mess we’re in. Wake you you boneheads! Do you not understand the threat Socialism poses to your freedoms?

Posted by: davecatbone | October 22, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Barack Obama is a hard-core socialist. Even the Communist Party USA is happy.
http://cpusa.org/article/articleview/975/1/147

Posted by: No Communist President | October 22, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Without national security, there is no economy. Think about it.
Nobama. No way.

Posted by: Kerri Washtington | October 22, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

what is racist about keeping what you earn???? Please explain that to me??? I’m sorry, but if the field that I work in declines, I would just find another field to work in. It may not pay the same, but hey, its work. Being a productive member to society is what both parties should emphasize, not who they will TAKE from. Everyone has the right to earn a living

Posted by: will it end | October 22, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

What kind of a Communist name is “Natasha” anyways?

Posted by: Hans Meiser | October 22, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Obama will be a one term President, Hillary is just bidding her time and waiting for him to fall on his face and begging her to help him up.

Posted by: Albie | October 22, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Linked is the THE ULTIMATE SOLUTION TO STOP SOCIALISM. Those think they can just keep taking more and more from those who earn money and hand it out to those who do little or nothing to earn money are always SO SURPRISED when that 5%, the ones already providing nearly SIXTY PERCENT OF FEDERAL REVENUE … suddenly don’t show up for work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lech_Wa%C5%82%C4%99sa
EAT THAT SOCIALISTS!!!! (and you trade union people out there – TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF WHOSE SIDE LECH WAS ON!)

Posted by: Mike M | October 22, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

I am not voting for Obama, but this really is a non-issue. People who now receive the EIC, the child credit or the displaced worker credit will qualify for this credit without having to jump through any hoops. I don’t see how him amending his own plan is flip-flopping.

Posted by: Michelle | October 22, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Why is it that McCain followers can only attack President Obama? If you notice they never contribute anything logical or constructive only coming up with racist remarks about Barrack. Put your white sheets on and go hide behind your KKK meetings. President Obama is a great man and will save this country reather than bring it down like Bush did. On election day we have the right to say “NO” to a continuation of Bush and “Yes” to a new beginning.

Posted by: Roxanne Forager | October 22, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

Obama is a smug, smirking con man. Nothing more.
He and his hard-left coaltion of America-haters, Marxists, terrorists, racists and felons will be defeated by intelligent, caring and decent Americans everywhere.

Posted by: Jackie | October 22, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

This ‘news story’ goes on the backpages as a ‘blog by four reporters’ working on the DNC campaign, while the DNC smears on McCain/Palin get frontpage coverage. The bias in media reporting continues.

Posted by: Tonya | October 22, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

How is calling someone a socialist racist??? pleasa explain

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Jimbo,
Just to discuss your point about “mortgaging our children’s future”. Right now, that’s already happened. We have a huge deficit and huge obligations to China and Middle East banks. It’s already done.
If you look for a steady hand, don’t look at McCain. He has been all over the map policy wise to pander to different groups. From saying “I don’t believe we should help home owners who made bad decisions” to “we need to help people stay in their homes”.
Picking a VP who is so stupid and without actual knowledge ABOUT THE VP spot (“The VP controls the senate”) that it’s dangerous to even consider voting for McCain.
Steady? Not much.
Watch his anger and terrible demeanor in debates. Steady? No.
I have no trouble with someone saying they vote McCain. I have trouble with them voting for him for the wrong reasons.

Posted by: Hans Meiser | October 22, 2008, 10:41 am 10:41 am

Obama promised us “change” in Illinois too, but has never challenged the wholly corrupt system here because he benefits from it.
Obama is a product of the Daley Machine, one of the most vile and corrupt political organizations in the history of mankind.
To compensate for the top-to-bottom corruption here, we now pay 10.25% sales tax in Chicago, the highest rate in the nation.
Obama, Pelosi, Reid and Daley on a national level would be a disaster.

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Posted by: Read my Commentr | October 22, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Evertyone needs to “GROW-UP”. Get educated, get a job, and be accountable. Quit bitchin’ and make yourself a life. That is the beauty of this country.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

actually in a tie in the senate, the vp will cast a deciding vote. other than that, the vp has no control over the senate.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

I can’t wait for Sen Obama to take the Oath, an then everything will be on “his watch” like it was with President Bush. The day the Garbageman fails to pickup, I will be sure to blame Pres Obama, why, cause it happened on “his watch”. Sen Obama has a plan for everyone, just to get their votes.

Posted by: Willie | October 22, 2008, 10:45 am 10:45 am

Regarding:
Barack Obama, in an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, admits that he shares the above Marxist economic theory. Watch this (5:47 into the clip, but watch the whole clip):
“If am sittin’ pretty, and you’ve got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can’t, what’s the big deal for me to say I’m going to pay a little bit more… that is neighborliness”
Problem with Obama giving more to a waitress is that is what tipping is for good service. Obama wants to take the option from the person tipping whether they got good service or not. I worked my way through college being a server it was good money and most untaxed. If Obama plan hurts these restaurants (which I think it will) they will be less good service and less jobs for college age and working people to there way up.
Another question I have, What happens to all the charities like St. Jude’s..etc if the wealthy are carry the whole tax load? Don’t the rich give the most to charitable institutions to get a tax write off? If the answer is they pay less tax, then what happens to the 200,000 couple who can only give 10% to cut the tax hike?

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Posted by: Read My Comment | October 22, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

This is a stupid comment you cannot get a tax credit unless you paid taxes, that means you worked!!!
“Goolsbee also said McCain’s criticism smacks of “hypocrisy” since a refundable tax credit — with no work requirement — is a core component of the Arizona senator’s health plan.”

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Posted by: Read my commentr | October 22, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

To Barack Hussein Obama,
The New York Times carried a story on Saturday, October 4, 2008, that proved you had a significantly closer relationship with Bill Ayers than what you previously admitted. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.
The Chicago Sun reported on May 8, 2008, that FBI records showed that you had a significantly closer relationship with Tony Rezko than what you previously admitted. In the interview, you said that you only saw Mr. Rezko a couple of times a year. The FBI files showed that you saw him weekly. While the issue of your relationship is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about it.
Your speech in Philadelphia on March 18, 2008, about “race” contradicted your statement to Anderson Cooper on March 14 when you said that you never heard Reverend Wright make his negative statements about white America . While your attendance at Trinity Church for 20 years is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on March 14.
In your 1st debate with John McCain, you said that you never said that you would meet with the leaders of Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, and North Korea without “preparations” at lower levels … Joe Biden repeated your words in his debate with Sarah Palin … while the video tape from your debate last February clearly shows that you answered “I would” to the question of meeting with those leaders within 12 months without “any” preconditions. While your judgement about meeting with enemies of the USA without pre-conditions is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America in the debate with McCain.
On July 14, 2008, you said that you always knew that the surge would work while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you stated that the surge would not work. While your judgment about military strategy as a potential commander-in-chief is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America on July 14.
You now claim that your reason for voting against funding for the troops was because the bill did not include a time line for withdrawal, while the video tapes of you from more than a year ago show that you voted against additional funding because you wanted our troops to be removed immediately … not in 16 months after the 2008 election as you now claim. While your judgment about removing our troops unilaterally in 2007 is of concern, the greater concern is that you lied to America about your previous position.
You claim to have a record of working with Republicans while the record shows that the only bill that you sponsored with a Republican was with Chuck Lugar … and it failed. The record shows that you vote 97% in concert with the Democrat party and that you have the most liberal voting record in the Senate. You joined Republicans only 13% of the time in your votes and those 13% were only after agreement from the Democrat party. While it is of concern that you fail to include conservatives in your actions and that you are such a liberal, the greater concern is that you distorted the truth.
In the primary debates of last February, 2008, you claimed to have talked with a “Captain” of a platoon in Afghanistan “the other day” when in fact you had a discussion in 2003 with a Lieutenant who had just been deployed to Afghanistan . You lied in that debate.
In your debates last spring, you claimed to have been a “professor of Constitutional law” when in fact you have never been a professor of Constitutional law. In this last debate, you were careful to say that you “taught a law class” and never mentioned being a “professor of Constitutional law.” You lied last spring.
You and Joe Biden both claimed that John McCain voted against additional funding for our troops when the actual records show the opposite. You distorted the truth.
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted against funding for alternate energy sources 20 times when the record shows that John McCain specifically voted against funding for bio fuels, especially corn … and he was right …. corn is too expensive at producing ethanol, and using corn to make ethanol increased the price of corn from $2 a bushel to $6 a bushel for food. You distorted the truth.
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted like both of you for a tax increase on those making as little as $42,000 per year while the voting record clearly shows that John McCain did not vote as you and Joe Biden. You lied to America .
You and Joe Biden claim that John McCain voted with George W. Bush 90% of the time when you know that Democrats also vote 90% of the time with the President (including Joe Biden) because the vast majority of the votes are procedural. You are one of the few who has not voted 90% of the time with the president because you have been missing from the Senate since the day you got elected. While your absence from your job in the Senate is of concern, the greater concern is that you spin the facts.
You did not take an active role in the rescue plan. You claimed that the Senate did not need you while the real reason that you abstained was because of your close relationships with the executives of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Countrywide, and Acorn … who all helped cause the financial problems of today … and they all made major contributions to your campaign. While your relationship with these executives and your protection of them for your brief 3 years in the Senate (along with Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, and Chris Dodd) is of concern, the greater concern is that you are being deceitful.
You forgot to mention that you personally represented Tony Rezko and Acorn. Tony Rezko, an Arab and close friend to you, was convicted of fraud in Chicago real estate transactions that bilked millions of tax dollars from the Illinois government for renovation projects that you sponsored as a state senator … and Acorn has been convicted of voter fraud, real estate sub prime loan intimidation, and illegal campaign contributions. Tony Rezko has contributed hundreds of thousands of dollars to your political campaigns. You personally used your political positions to steer money to both Tony Rezko and Acorn and you used Acorn to register thousands of phony voters for Democrats and you. While your relationships with Rezko and Acorn are of concern, the greater concern is that you omitted important facts about your relationships with them to America .
During your campaign, you said: “typical white person.” “They cling to their guns and religion.” “They will say that I am black.” You played the race card. You tried to label any criticism about you as racist. You divide America .
You claim that you will reduce taxes for 95% of America , but you forgot to tell America that those reductions are after you remove the Bush tax reductions. You have requested close to $1 billion in earmarks and several million for Acorn. Your social programs will cost America $1 trillion per year and you claim that a reduction in military spending ($100 billion for Iraq ) can pay for it. While your economic plan of adding 30% to the size of our federal government is of concern, the greater concern is that you are deceiving America .
The drain to America ‘s economy by foreign supplied oil is $700 billion per year (5% of GDP) while the war in Iraq is $100 billion (less than 1% of GDP). You voted against any increases to oil exploration for the last 3 years and any expansion of nuclear facilities. Yet today, you say that you have always been for more oil and more nuclear. You are lying to America …
Mr. Obama, you claimed that you “changed” your mind about public financing for your campaign because of the money spent by Republican PACs in 2004. The truth is that the Democrat PACs in 2004, 2006, and 2008 spent twice as much as the Republican PACs (especially George Soros and MoveOn.org). You are lying to America .
Oh, Mr. Obama, Teddy Roosevelt said about a hundred years ago that we Americans should first look at the character of our leaders before anything else.
Your character looks horrible. While you make good speeches, motivating speeches, your character does not match your rhetoric. You talk the talk, but do not walk the walk.
1. You lied to America . You lied many times. You distorted facts. You parsed your answers like a lawyer.
2. You distorted the record of John McCain in your words and in your advertisements.
3. You had associations with some very bad people for your personal political gains and then lied about those associations.
4. You divide America about race and about class.
Now let me compare your record of lies, distortions, race baiting, and associations to John McCain: War hero. Annapolis graduate with “Country first.” Operational leadership experience like all 43 previously elected presidents of the USA as a Navy officer for 22 years. 26 years in the Senate. Straight talk. Maverick. 54% of the time participated on bills with Democrats. Never asked for an earmark. The only blemish on his record is his part in the Keating 5 debacle about 25 years ago.
Mr. Obama, at Harvard Law School, you learned that the end does not justify the means. You learned that perjury, false witness, dishonesty, distortion of truth are never tolerated. Yet, your dishonesty is overwhelming. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty that caused the impeachment and disbarment of Bill Clinton. Your dishonesty is tremendously greater than the dishonesty of Scooter Libby. You should be ashamed.
Mr. Obama, it is time for us Americans to put aside our differences on political issues and vote against you because of your dishonest character. It is time for all of us Americans to put aside our political issues and vote for America first. It is time for America to vote for honesty.
Any people who vote for you after understanding that you are dishonest should be ashamed of themselves for making their personal political issues more important than character. Would these same people vote for the anti-Christ if the anti-Christ promised them riches? Would they make a golden calf while Moses was up the mountain? Would they hire someone for a job if that someone lied in an interview? Of course not. So why do some of these people justify their votes for you even though they know you are dishonest? Why do they excuse your dishonesty? Because some of these people are frightened about the future, the economy, and their financial security …. and you are preying on their fears with empty promises … and because some (especially our young people) are consumed by your wonderful style and promises for “change” like the Germans who voted for Adolf Hitler in 1932. The greed/envy by Germans in 1932 kept them from recognizing Hitler for who he was. They loved his style. Greed and envy are keeping many Americans from recognizing you … your style has camouflaged your dishonesty …. but many of us see you for who you really are … and we will not stop exposing who you are every day, forever if it is necessary.
Mr. Obama, you are dishonest. Anyone who votes for you is enabling dishonesty.
Mr. Obama , America cannot trust that you will put America first in your decisions about the future.
Mr. Obama, you are not the “change” that America deserves. We cannot trust you.
Mr. Obama, You are not ready and not fit to be commander-in-chief.
Mr. Obama, John McCain does not have as much money as your campaign to refute all of your false statements. And for whatever reasons, the mainstream media will not give adequate coverage or research about your lies, distortions, word parsing, bad associations, race baiting, lack of operational leadership experience, and generally dishonest character. The media is diverting our attention from your relationships and ignoring the fact that you lied about those relationships. The fact that you lied is much more important than the relationships themselves …. just like with Bill Clinton and Richard Nixon … Monica Lewinski and Watergate were not nearly as bad as the fact that those men lied about the events ….. false witness … perjury … your relationships and bad judgments are bad on their own …. but your lies are even worse.
Therefore, by copy of this memo, all who read this memo are asked to send it to everyone else in America before it is too late. We need to do the job that the media will not do. We need to expose your dishonesty so that every person in America understands who you really are before election day.
Mr. Obama, in a democracy, we get what we deserve. And God help America if we deserve you.
Michael Master
McLean, Virginia

Posted by: Michael Master | October 22, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

I don’t understand how all you racists that are voting against Obama what is the matter wit ya. Do you know what it is like to be poor? And all you complaining about people like me not working and taking money from the working man….well hey if you are so smart then you should figure it out….don’t work! I get my check the 3rd of every month…by the 20th of each month I am basically broke. Last night…I had to scrape money from the coffee holder in my Lexus just to buy a blunt. Yeah, thats right I didn’t even have enough money for a blunt. Do you know how embarrassing it is to go into a store and have to pay 1.35 in pennies just to get a blunt. I already got two kids…but they aren’t bringing in enough income now because of how high prices have gone up. Luckily, I got knocked up a few months ago and can expect a bigger check and more food stamps in the coming months. I don’t think of Obama as just a great man…I think of him as my retirement fund. So why don’t all you cranky old white folk just chill out, smoke an L, and relax in life for a while. Once my boy is elected…things are gonna be alot better for me and make me happier….that alone should be enough for you to vote for him.

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Posted by: Read my Comment | October 22, 2008, 10:48 am 10:48 am

I could care less what that Dumb0 Eared moron adds to his rhetoric. His only track record is a track record of failing to deliver on his campaign rhetoric.
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Ask the Illinois voters if he delivered that tax cut he promised them if they sent him to Washington. ???
He’s a joke.

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Posted by: Read MY comment | October 22, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

all you have to do is google “OBAMA’S NOT EXACTLY LIST” and you will see EXACTLY who and what you’re dealing with here!!! DON’T BE STUPID AMERICA “WAKE UP”

Posted by: angry bob | October 22, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

A crap sandwich is still a crap sandwich no matter how Obamalamadingdong tries to cover it. SOCIALISM!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Read MY comment | October 22, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

I have grown to really dislike stupid conservatives. How can anyone justify voting in a party that has decimated the middle class and tarnished the image of our proud nation? Seriously? If you are a conservative, please take your half-baked comments and go back to your regularly scheduled hannity/rush/foxnews echo chamber. No rationale American can stand your nonsense anymore.

Posted by: Vic | October 22, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Obama continues to flip flop all over the place, always avoiding the truth. The fact is he never met a tax increase he didn’t like.
Get ready to get soaked Americans! Oh, liberals that means you too. And, since you’re still in denial, take another swig of Obama’s tasty Kool-Aid. It’ll be good for a little while longer.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

To all you Obamatrons and McCainiacs posting here.
When voting in November, keep in mind that BOTH candidates are filthy rich. All of their friends are filthy rich, all of the people around them are filthy rich. Campaign promises are made to be broken, and are rarely fulfilled. Do you really think that once elected they will pass legislation that hurts their own families? Their Friends? The exact people that gave so much to get them elected? That scenario is not very likely. When Clinton ran for his first term, he stated he would not raise taxes on any one making less that $200,000. As soon as he took office he passed the largest across the board tax increase ever levied on the American People at 1 time. That can happen again, afterall, what President has ever made good on his campaign promises? When you go to the polls, you choose the candidate that you think will try. Voting is a private priveledge for a reason. Lets keep it that way.

Posted by: Don | October 22, 2008, 10:54 am 10:54 am

A message to the Kool-Aid drunk Obama Nation (hereafter KADON)
KADON, I think that you might be able to grasp the idea that few earn over $250,000 without a little help, a little help from, well, employees. Now, for simplicity, lets refer to those as employers, whether they be rich individuals or corporations. Enterprises run by employers, KADON, may well, not be the only supplier of the products/services they offer. They may well compete against many suppliers, even some from abroad, even some from abroad having certain cost advantages. These cost advantages, KADON, could be wages, raw material prices or, they could be tax expenses. That is right taxes are expenses, to employers, wealthy or not. Now, lets think about those U.S. corporations that are fighting for their life (please read this also to be fighting for the existence of the jobs that they offer, to employees, in the U.S.). Many corporations maintain physical presence in both the U.S. and the abroad. Now, hypothetically, if, their operations in the U.S. face an 80% tax rate on profits, while their Malaysian operations face only a 15% tax rate, then do you see, how it makes economic sense, for the employer, to think it is likely a very good decision to move operations from Ohio to Malaysia? Now, it will be more subtle, the tax rates aren’t nearly as different, but they are different. Then, they might just stop hiring in Ohio and hire only in Malaysia. In any case, there are some in Ohio who might either be laid off or not hired.
Regardless, even though your dear candidate will offer 95% of all Americans a lower tax rate, those laid off because their rich employer had to shift jobs overseas, still have no job. They’ll be baffled 3 years from now. Maybe they’ll say, I should have said thanks, but no thanks Senator on that tax plan to nowhere.
So KADON, understand this simple lesson. The wealthy employ. If changes occur to the cost structure in their operations, including tax expenses, they will be incented to react, if they don’t they may find themselves at a cost advantage sufficient to erode their economic viability on a permanent basis, or at least until they cease to exist, in which case, nobody has a paycheck from them.
Ok, rich American corporations, lets assume that our above corporation is not struggling, lets say that it is called Exxon. Well, KADON, Exxon produces some energy in America, using American employees to do so. America is not a cheap place to produce energy. What, do you think Exxon will do, when President Obamba raises, as he likes to say so often, taxes on corporations that export jobs overseas? You got it! They’ll divest (reads: send to the unemployment lines) their American energy production operations.
This is an important concept, about wealth redistribution, that I want you to grasp KADON. When President Obama puts millions of Americans, formerly employed by ‘wealthy corporations that export jobs overseas’, onto the unemployment line, they will not, unless Ms. Pelosi redistributes wealth and gives them a nice fat Socialist welfare check, have any money to buy the goods and services offered by all small businesses, including those that the young Senator claims he will not tax additionally. Small business owners will be baffled too. “President Obama, thanks for not taxing my income additionally, thanks for going after the evil rich, but, my profit is nowhere near $232k, as it was before you took office, it is $104k, what happened? I drank the Kook-aid! I promise I did. I had to lay off 2 employees because demand is so weak for my products, because so many corporate types have been laid off and have no money to buy my products. I feel like a wealthy employer, please help”…
Is it sinking in?
One final thing, I hate to burst the bubble of all of you out there that have drank Mr. Obama’s Kool-aid, but when he says “tax cuts for employers that export jobs overseas”, he isn’t really referring to Republican led legislation that actually instructed the IRS to give a tax credit to all corporations that actually did export jobs. What he is really referring to is Republican led legislation that incented corporations to not export jobs, by giving them a tax cut, but, even though the tax cuts were given, jobs were still exported, because the tax cuts weren’t sufficient, for some, to allow them to maintain their U.S. employment. This is yet another aspect that Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, MSNBC, etc. have failed to present to the American public. Shame on them!
I hope that this helps you all with your future pOstings, here and elsewhere.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

How can you give additional tax cuts and or additional refund money to the bottom 40% of wage earners who PAY ZERO INCOME TAX already?

Posted by: Bob the Plumber | October 22, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Whatever message it takes to get elected I guess.
In four to eight years, after putting up with the Democratic equivalent of the Bush years, Americans are going to realize just how intellectually bankrupt and completely dysfunctional both parties are.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Democrats and Republicans who are spewing hate and division in this country need not vote for either, nor do the political parties want you in their respective parties. Let’s support our president whoever it may be.

Posted by: Political Party | October 22, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

Needs some more tweaking…How about..Legal resident employed in the USA ..and the health Plan should only cover US citizens ,,(right now illigal and legal aliens are eligible.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am

Give me a break! So-called refundable tax credits, including EITC, are welfare by any common sense definition. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it is still a pig.

Posted by: Craig | October 22, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am

My son does not make enough to pay income tax. Sending him an income tax rebate for not paying income tax is still welfare!

Posted by: davenjan | October 22, 2008, 11:00 am 11:00 am

doesn’t change a thing, he still wants to steal peoples money…I would benefit from his plan but I don’t want it, and if I could track down the family it came from I would hand them the check right back. I am no mouche and I will have my own soon, and then it will all be mine.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

When you float a bill or law out there and it gets passed into law, you can’t just adjust it and tweak it on a weekly basis because you had a new idea, thought or because a new criticism arose. You have to vet your ideas and try them, not just change to pander to the latest poll or voice.
We need someone better.

Posted by: Bart Jones | October 22, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Obama’s centerpiece tax cut proposal is presented as a tax cut for 95 percent of all Americans. What he never says is that about one third, or 33 percent of all eligible taxpayers pay zero taxes. Only 67 percent could even get their taxes cut if we cut every one’s taxes. The rest of Obama’s plan is a welfare check taken from those who do pay out real dollars and given to those who pay out nothing in federal taxes. Obama is playing games with us, but ABC and the rest will never nail him on these deceptions.
Keep in mind that the media has relentlessly and wrongly attacked Sarah Palin on qualifications, while supporting Obama, who has less experience and qualifications than Palin. And he’s the one running for President!

Posted by: Joe in Georgia | October 22, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

You mean, I may have to work to get welfare benefits? No way! I’ll go get a job first and vote for McCain!
What is Obama thinking? Welfare means I don’t have to work! What an idiot!

Posted by: Welfare guy | October 22, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

There will be tax credits given to payroll, which in turn will dramatically short social security. Good one Barack. You will bankrupt social security. Also, how many have lost their retirement funds due to Fannie/Freddie? “It’s just a democratic liberal hoodoo . . . to me and you!” (Hank Williams, Jr.)

Posted by: FishDog | October 22, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:04 am 11:04 am

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Posted by: JeffyW | October 22, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Posted by: FishDog | October 22, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Please wake me up that half of this country believes Obama’s S__T. He changes his plans and opinions as often as we change our underwear. I can’t keep up with what he plans and what is he gonna believe or plan if he gets into office. He is also such a Poser. Wait till he ask McCains advice everyday if he gets into office. I hope McCain says to him, “Your on your own pal.” I am disgusted at how the left is running their campaign. They are gross how they put down the right to try to bring themselves up and how they CHEAT everday. WAKE UP AMERICA. WE ARE TURNING INTO A SICK COUNTRY. I wasn’t racist until the last 2 months. Now I can’t help become that.

Posted by: ks8628 | October 22, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Obama-bots, your blind devotion to this guy and unabashed hatred of Bush really does impact your ability to discern reality from anything else. Yes, the US has existing socialistic programs, and that eats up a large majority of our federal budget. The republicans lost their credibility when they abandoned conservative, balanced budget principles. The contemporary democrats have never had credibility because they’ve always been about taxing and spending. Nobody said you couldn’t donate money to the government, so instead of legislating that I need to “share” my wealth, why don’t you just give a little more? Churchill said that trying to tax yourself into prosperity is like trying to lift yourself out of a bucket by the handle. I wonder if Obama has ever heard that before? Probably not, because he does have the socialistic lenses of democrat doctrine on. Finally, the cult of personality that the media and you ‘bots’ have crafted around Obama is really quite dangerous. The guy really isn’t qualified yet. Name five real things he’s accomplished. Five reasons why for Obama (and no, you can’t list ‘hope/change’ five times). PS, I’m not a Bush fan.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

Also, the people who work are being punished. This tax credit only help the people that are making under 50K. Maybe my wife and I should just quit our jobs and get job at Wal Mart. Obama only wants to help the poor and destroy the middle class. That is the socialist mantra.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

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And to call this a flip flop is crazy. All policies are tweaked based on what makes sense. Nuance can be a good thing as we’ve learned after Bush’s 8 years of no nuance.

Posted by: Derek | October 22, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

SOCIALISM!

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Posted by: daryl | October 22, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Go ahead and elect Barack…you want change…boy you’ll get it with cronies like Pelosi & Reid & congress/senate….then in 4-8 yrs you’ll be sick of the 2nd Carter admin and want the right back in !!

Posted by: SAM | October 22, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Senator Obama -
You can put lipstick on a pig, but it’s still a pig.
Your tax plan is still a plan for redistribution, which amounts to socialism.
Americans will not accept socialism on Nov. 4.
McCain / Palin ’08

Posted by: just a thinker | October 22, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

I don’t doubt that many of these people that Obama mentions physically work. Obama is still not addressing the key issue to whether his tax plan is welfare. Since just over 30% of the populace do not pay any taxes. For example, a family of 4 who makes $42,000 pays $0 in income taxes.
Being a net tax payer is the key not whether they are merely working.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

Some of you people should live in Venezuela, With Hugo Chavez, that is how he got voted in, because of the promises he told the people. After being voted in, he became a socialistic president. Nationalizing all businesses, people lost their freedoms, etc. Now he is a communists and cannot be voted out. He is now a dictator, and will kill anyone who gets in his way. My God people wake up to the sharp talker, who is blinding the people’s minds. He and his cohorts are brain washing the USA. I pray for MCCAIN and Palin.

Posted by: OMGptl | October 22, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

What is Obama thinking? Welfare means I should not have to work! But he is just lying to sound good, he will never require me to work.

Posted by: Welfare guy | October 22, 2008, 11:10 am 11:10 am

America gets what America wants.
Americans want to vote an admitted Marxist into the White House and then they can enjoy the benefits of that just like the people of the USSR, Cuba, and most lately Hugo Chavez’s Venezuela. Wonderful, real life, success stories of Marxist economics.
America gets what America deserves.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

Obama wins lanslide..Democrats get filibuster-prrof majorites…Obama nominates 2 liberal Supreme Court Justices….My question is, will the USA backlash or just give up and descend into a second rate power? I keep hearing Conservatives rationalize and envision a “purification” of the party, a return to a conservative message..and a triumphant return of Conservatives after Obama’s policies have their predictable result. But maybe we become like Europe and just accept mediocrity….I am afraid for my children.

Posted by: mando | October 22, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

That is great, Obama. Just change your plan as you go so you can cover up the fact that you are going to turn this country into a Socialist republic with your leftist illuminati views.

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Posted by: Read my commentr | October 22, 2008, 11:12 am 11:12 am

Socialist Obama who thinks that ‘wealth redistribution’ is patriotic will never require us “unfortunates” to work for our welfare! So don’t let your heart be troubled welfare recipients and go ahead and vote Obama.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Hans,
Barak Obama has changed his policy positions more in the last 18 months than a whore house changes sheets!
As to the selection of Governor Sarah Palin as McCain’s choice of running mate all I have to say is this: There seems to be a mindset that if someone who is Ivy League educated and resides within the beltway they have a better understanding of what’s right for Americans by looking down their noses at the indignant unwashed masses in fly over country. Governor Palin transcends this and that is why she has been relentlessly attacked by the media pundits invested in an Obama victory. There is something about her which alot of people on the left are very afraid of: a woman with conservative beliefs who has risen to the top of the political class with hard work, determination, love of family, and love of country.
Compare this to Senator for life Biden, the walking, talking gaffe machine. (Hey, Charlie stand up and say hello to everybody!) (Charlie just happens to be paralyzed in a wheelchair). It’s patriotic to pay more in taxes? I wonder what the founding fathers would say about that? Biden has plenty of experience it’s just that he’s been wrong in just about every position he’s taken over the last 30 years. What good is experience if you’re consistently wrong? So much for change we can believe in.

Posted by: Jimbo | October 22, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

So can anyone tell me what happens when Obama decideds that a family of 4 making a 100,000 is rich? Or a single person making 50,000 is rich?

Posted by: Roger | October 22, 2008, 11:15 am 11:15 am

How rude it is to demand more of the people’s property(money)..come to think of it, how rude it is to vote for the party that wants more of the people’s money. The government should be forced to manage our money.

Posted by: Wes | October 22, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

Amazing. On Monday’s ABC News Good Morning America, ABC News’ fact checker claimed McCain’s claims about Obama’s refundable tax credits going to those who do not pay income taxes was “false” because it only went to workers and all workers pay Social Security premiums and Medicare premiums.
Now we see in fact, some of the refundable tax credits were going to indeed go to those who do not work at all. Perhaps someone needs to fact check ABC News.
This is not new, because after the second debate, ABC News’ Donna Brazile stated McCain’s mortgage plan was “already in” the rescue package, and therefore was fully supported by Barack Obama, who voted in favor of the rescue plan. The next day, Obama came out against the McCain mortgage plan, claiming it would give money to banks (which the rescue plan, which would buy mortgage backed securities at above face value, would already do).
This of course made Brazile a liar. So much for fact checking.
ABC News needs to stop carrying the Obama campaign’s water. Too often, ABC News fact checking relies on “the Obama campaign says” as evidence, while actually digging into details of McCain’s plans. Perhaps that is because Obama’s plans are often “just words”, and not actually published.
Political Radar’s reporting is completely inconsistent with the rest of ABC News.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:16 am 11:16 am

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Posted by: daryl | October 22, 2008, 11:17 am 11:17 am

You dopes who like the class warfare tactics think about this…I don’t know a single person who ever got a job working for a poor person, or even a middle class person. In fact, everyone I know works for rich people. That’s the fact. Kill your Golden Goose with your taxation schemes…then who will subsidize your existance.

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Posted by: Read my comment | October 22, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

ABC News online articles are becoming more fiction than non-fiction. Reminds me of their Nightly News coverage. Obama hides behind pretty words to obscure behind his real intent, to socialize the American Dream – basically destroy it. Even his fellow Democrats have been saying the same message, but not as pretty. But if the majority of Americans want a huge socialistic government bureaucratic mess I guess we will have it – forever. Whats in your pocket today I will get tomorrow should be placed under Obama’s name on the ballot.

Posted by: Becky | October 22, 2008, 11:19 am 11:19 am

For those of you who support Obama and are asking what’s the big deal with Socialism, I would like to make a few points.
First off, this country has been steadily moving towards socialism for many decades. This is why the country is falling apart. I make a lot of money and I work hard for it. Currently, 42% of my check is taken from me. 42%! If Obama is elected that number will go to 55% according to my accountant.
For some reason there is a recurring myth in this country that the wealthy do not pay taxes. It is utterly ridiculous. Believe me, we pay ALL the taxes. So I take offense when I am paying almost half of my money in taxes and people like you get on here and instead of thanking me you tell me I don’t pay enough.
These socialist ideas aren’t working in America. There is no denying that. How on earth people aren’t seeing that and want MORE of it is beyong belief. Obama is actually more of the same type of thing that has put this country where it is right now. Why would you want that?
40% of Americans aren’t paying taxes. Isn’t that enough already? Do you think that taking that number to 60% is going to magically solve the problem? It’s not. It’s going to make it worse. It’s going to create another generation of Americans who look to the government to solve their problems.
I came from a poor background. I know what it’s like to actually be poor. What most of these people are complaining about is not POOR. I hear the stories about how so and so’s wife became ill and they couldn’t make their mortgage payment and what not. Well, why in the hell are you driving a late model $25,000 car? Why are you talking into a $200 cell phone? Why did I see you at a restaurant last night? Why are you living in a 2000 sq. ft. house with cable tv and flowers in your yard?
Wake up people. Many of these people aren’t poor. These people made horrible decisions with their money. They have been living 10, 20, 30% above their means. They should have been SAVING, but no they didn’t do that. The spent because it’s every Americans right to drive a new Honda Accord right?
Idiots.

Posted by: Ryan from Cali | October 22, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am

Is capitalism even working in America? I couldn’t tell with the economy being so lackluster.. you people are crazy to think Mccain has your interest at heart… the current tax system is broken & he hasn’t given us anything new.. all the same like the last 8 years.. we don’t need four more of the same…

Posted by: Independent voting Obama | October 22, 2008, 11:20 am 11:20 am

What’s the difference? He is going to get into office and say “the budget crisis is deeper than I could have ever imagined so I need to increase taxes on a larger share of Americans” Larger = anyone who works for a living.
Taxing a struggling economy…yeah, great plan;-) Obama is old school…as in late 1970s economy old school.

Posted by: Joe | October 22, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

Obama has pulled off the biggest scam in history…calling direct payments to people (welfare) “tax credits”.
Many of those 95% he is giving a break to DON”T PAY ANY TAXES yet they will get a “tax rebate check” from the government. If that isn’t a form of welfare, what is? He had it right when he talked to Joe the Plumber. He wants to “spread the wealth around”. Our wealth. The man is a socialist.

Posted by: Dave | October 22, 2008, 11:21 am 11:21 am

I love the possibilities; Bill A. & the Rev right (wrong) to the supreme court?

Posted by: Dennis | October 22, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

obama subsidized his college days selling cocaine.

Posted by: Bubba | October 22, 2008, 11:23 am 11:23 am

Hey, how does he slip this in now?I demand my free check and if not, when does impeachment start?

Posted by: tr88 | October 22, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

There reality here is that neither of these candidates is a good thing for our country.
The only reason that McCain can be tied to GWB by Obama is because he IS close to being the same.
The problem here is that GWB has been so far to the left that he makes Bill Clinton look Republican by comparison.
McCain is even farther to the left of Bush. The amazing thing here is that the progressives complain about getting what they are asking for (Government controll of things). Funny how you really want something until you get it, huh?
Then the progressives bring someone out SO far to the left that he is Marxist at best and probably Communist at worst.
I didn’t want to vote for McCain, but I’m going to have to in order for our standard of living, our way of living and our Constitution to not be totally destroyed.
Not that McCain won’t hurt it as well, mind you. He just won’t lay waist to it like Obama will.

Posted by: Kurt P | October 22, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

McCain needs to zip his lip, because over the last eight years the Bush administration has been doing exactly that, giving welfare to the rich. It is about time that those of us with an income of under 50k, start to get a break from those of you we workers have to keep supporting, and that keep this country running. Wake up, America.

Posted by: mom | October 22, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

He’s a man of “Change”…..!

Posted by: gb | October 22, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

Americans are all acting as if we all need more from someone else. It reminds me of my kids saying they need that candy bar at the checkout isle. i make around 35,000 a year and i dont need the govt telling me they will help me. I dont need the govt taking from someone else because I dont have enough. I have plenty. I have my life to live as i see fit. sometime you just have to tell them no. I say no to any tax thats not spending. I have earned my money and thats all I want. But i guess saying that is racist

Posted by: will it end | October 22, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

“FACE IT, YOU FOOLS HAVE NO CHANCE AGAINST THE CHICAGO MACHINE AND TEFLON OBAMA!!”
At least you admit that in Chicago it is a machine, and that’s why John Kennedy won in 1960. His father bought off the mob. So history is repeated! NObama may be elected, and it may well be the mob who does it for him. Then what will he owe them? I would say his soul but he has none!

Posted by: been there | October 22, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

I thought the issue was one of tax payment, not work. People can work and still not pay taxes, depending on how much they make. McCain’s criticism was that people would be getting tax credits when they weren’t paying anything into the system.

Posted by: abe1 | October 22, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Call Obama whatever you want. McCain is racist, senile, and flashback prone. He is unfit to be Commander-in-Chief at a time when America needs someone with broad ideas to help Americans. Jesus H Chr*st, he called voters “my fellow prisoners!” The years of torture clearly took a mental toll … or maybe the stress was caused by realizing that 3 decades in DC pushing his deregulation and other failed policies has gotten us – gotten the ENTIRE WORLD – into this global mess.
Want proof? Just look at the Republican reaction the past few months. When there’s a crisis, the typical GOP drumbeat of “free market” and “tax cuts” and “privatization” is the FIRST THING thrown out the window. Know why? Because it doesn’t stop a disaster in the markets. Because that kind of backwards thinking doesn’t work.
That’s why it took a Democratic FDR to stop the first GOP-and-Wall Street caused crisis. And, it’s going to take another Democrat to do it again. All economists are in agreement that the effects are going to be felt for 16-24 months now. Trust me, the last thing America needs is McCain in there, trying to let America’s retirees put their Social Security savings into Wall Street (which, yes, he does advocate, based on the “successes” of banking deregulation). If you make less than 250,000 a year singly, then guess what? Bully for you, Obama just reduced your taxes (something Republicans can’t even do right). That is the overwhelming majority of all Americans.
If you make more (as I do), tough for me. But the fact is I don’t mind paying a bit more for a country I love that gave me the opportunities, the stability, and the protection of law to let me get where I am today. If I lived in Venezuela, or the Soviet Union, or China, or anywhere else, I would not have had the chances to pull myself up by the bootstraps. I’m not like the rest of your mindless GOP lemmings sitting there who want the government to provide police, firemen, courts, a big military and all, but DON’T WANT TO PAY.
Wonder how many GOPers are lining up for their unemployment now when they lose their jobs? Maybe they should get out of line and go feed their families with their anti-Socialist principles.

Posted by: Sick of Whiners | October 22, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

AMEN to Ryan from Cali…nobody started with less than my husband and I.. NOBODY. In over 30 yrs of marriage, 13 years of night school to get those degrees and 80 hour work weeks, today we aren’t millionaires, but we make decent money, have sent two kids to college (paid in full by US) and would like to retire self-sufficient. That hope is rapidly fading i.e., the financial meltdown and corruption everywhere stealing our hard earned savings, on top of already high taxes and promises from Obama to go even higher. I THOROUGHLY RESENT people saying us “rich” don’t pay taxes. We pay in one year more than they will see in a lifetime. I say get off your A _ _ and get a job, go to school, and quit waiting for a handout out of my pocket.

Posted by: notsorich | October 22, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

Obama’s policies are SOCIALISM.
Socialism is the government taking all possessions and resources and then deciding the best way to disperse them. There are no personal possessions and even the individual are wards of the state.
Socialism has a history of FAILURE so great only an intellectual or politician can argue it.
The government cannot effectively disperse resources based on need. It is impossible. That is why in the USSR they had shortages of toilet paper and the hospitals didn’t have hot water. There were MORE poor people under socialism and the ONLY rich people were government, “the anointed”.
Karl Marx was a rich guy who never worked a day in his life. His book “the communist manifesto” mandates that everything is for the benefit of the state. It is the ultimate nationalism. It bans religion, the people are to worship the state. It regulates education, teach the greatness of the state. It distributes wealth, from each according to their ability to each according to their need. There is no free press; every broadcast, magazine and newspaper’s media MUST be pre-approved.
People who want “socialism”, yet have been brought up in the free enterprise and capitalistic society of the United States have ZERO concept of the socialistic ideals they claim to want to embrace.
To want Obama and socialism is the ultimate ignorance of a United States who is the bastion of freedom in the world.
Let’s give the SUCKERS and CATTLE their socialistic dream!
Just have your escape plan ready. Those of us who are achievers and have established wealth can easily escape before their policies take affect. Shut down your businesses, close your offices, fire your employees. Leave the socialistic rats of this country dead carcasses to feed off of. These people have never been successful in anything. They don’t have an understanding of what it takes to start, build and manage any kind of business. They don’t understand solid financial decisions. They are not responsible for their bad decisions, its always someone else’s fault.
Leave them this country, give people who have NEVER achieved anything the power of control. Watch them destroy themselves, without the help of the people who built it.
Remember why you wanted to be successful, your belief in yourself, your ambition, your talent. Don’t let these people TAKE it. All these people want is destruction. Cut it all loose, seek to be anonymous. Watch these lunatics fall prey to their own stupidity.

Posted by: Lance the Libertarian | October 22, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

This is a scam. Anybody who does not itemize their taxes and has a mortgage is a fool. If they don’t do it today, they won’t do it under Obama when the process to get the “tax credit” will take more paperwork than itemizing! What a shameless scam.

Posted by: chplanet | October 22, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

Barack Obama shoud just say he can cure cancer. He would win for sure. Lets face it, there are at least 100 million people who will beleive anything this guy says. Why not go for broke. He can just blame Bush after the election for blocking a cure for cancer.

Posted by: Daito | October 22, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

Ohhh wow man… Far Out! I cant believe the revolution of the 60s is starting to take hold! Imagine there are no countries… Imagine there is no religon… Imagine no posessions…
Lenin.. or was it Lennon? I get confused,
Wake Up! The trip is over!

Posted by: GroovyDude | October 22, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

The day Obama is elected President, American Democracy will end. The American public has been dumbed down to accept its fate happily. Ayn Rand’s prophecy in Atlas Shrugged is about to come true. Welcome to the “New Cuba”. Rudolph J. Girandola, Author, The Jade Chalice (A novel asking why the Roman Catholic Church has failed its clergy)

Posted by: rudolph Girandola | October 22, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Posted by: Taxes 101 for Democrats | October 22, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

And there you have it…”The politics of shuck, jive, and diddy bop”
As the lemmings jump off a cliff our only hope would be that the resounding voices saying “I told you so” are heard all the way down.
McCain/Palin – Leadership you can TRUST, change you can DEPEND on.

Posted by: SensibleFella | October 22, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

He will remove the requirement after he is elected.

Posted by: rww | October 22, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

The Obama response is stupid. Installing a “Work Requirement” has absolutely nothing to do with it being a Welfare Program. If a person works, but makes less than $42,000 a year, the’re not paying any taxes, since they get a full refund already.
Obama’s plan pays them more than they paid in, which is a welfare program. And since Obama is paying those on the bottom more by taxing those who make over $150,000, that’s socialism.
Obama really does know the expression “lipstick on a pig”

Posted by: Tom Genin | October 22, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

uncle mo has a good point- im ok woth barry as well so long as he keeps changing his stand on issues to dovetail with mccain!

Posted by: eric in nj | October 22, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

In his 1961 inaugural address, DEMOCRATIC president elect John F. Kennedy said “ask not what your country can do for you — ask what you can do for your country.” Way too many citizens have been deceived by liberal huckster politicians like Barack Obama into thinking that the US government somehow owes the able bodied a living. How sadly we have fallen! Nowadays, democratic hopefuls wish to reward people for staying home and sucking off the teat of government. These liberal charlatans do their level best to foment hate, envy, jealousy and sense of entitlement amongst those who have given up or never knew how to make an effort in this life. They wish to reward poor decisions from the largess of those of us who’ve worked hard, paid our dues and played by “the rules.” It is sickening that these bitter, hateful people are taking over this country.
I realize many of you attended government run schools and likely dropped out. But you must understand that raising taxes on business — big or small — is a cynical joke. Business merely passes it on! That tax increase ends up on the back of the consumer. For those of you who didn’t get past tenth grade, the consumer is the person — sometimes you — that ends up buying the product and ends up actually paying for the tax increase.
This I vow: If my tax rates go up exponentially in the next four years, and this inexorable slide into crybaby socialism continues, so help me I will fall on the ice in front of our local Social Security office, sue for the settlement, go on disability, and live off Barack’s teat for the rest of my days. Let some other Mfer pay the bills! Screw this! But before I do that, I will take every penny I’ve ever squirreled away and hide it. I will then tell the case worker that I spent the money on drugs, women and gambling. I look forward to joining you sorry, envious, bitter ne’r do wells!

Posted by: BlueCaddy65 | October 22, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

The legacy of this election will be true end of real objective journalism and the recignition by candidates that the media outlets as another communication tool that can be bought and manipulated.
Did you see Obama is charging news outlets choice spots for his victory celebration in Chicago? $900 for the press to be warm and dry. Anybody in the media that pays a penny for this should be tarred and feathered.

Posted by: chplanet | October 22, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

President Obama sounds third world to me. What he is proposing taxing the rich and big business will further our decline. And I agree with others here that he will go after everyone once elected.

Posted by: Hippie Smasher | October 22, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

Here’s what it really is:
REPARATIONS

Posted by: Vince | October 22, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

what a joke! now that Obama screwed up and got tagged as a socialist things change. Well not really, just what he is saying today is changing. He will flip-flop back if he is elected.
Say Anything!

Posted by: Robert NYC | October 22, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Does any of this matter at all. Obama will say absolutely anything to get elected and what he does will be whatever Nancy Polosi tells him to do.
I really want to know how he is going to unite us. His policies will devistate the country. We will have a recession and inflation that will make Jimmy Carter look like a neo-con. If they don’t change the rules and silence the media it will last two years but if they change the rules in the Senate and kill the discenting media like this blog,(I expect them to by the end of January) we may be in for the total collapse of the world economy which we usually correct by having a World War.
Obama’s task will be to figuring out how to blame Bush. I think the great “Uniter” has set race relations in this country back a 100 years.

Posted by: SoWhat | October 22, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

How much more do you need to hear before you’ll believe that Obama IS as far left as Wm Ayers and will destroy us. God have mercy on us all if he is elected.

Posted by: pyxi | October 22, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

Obama Tweaks Tax Plan sounds like he’s not sure of it so he makes it up as he goes along

Posted by: Real Story | October 22, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

I won’t matter what he says now. If and when Obama becomes President, he won’t stop at the $250k mark. Putting aside the amount of government program he wants to instate, just on ideological basis alone, Obama will make an excuse to lower the threshold to $200k, then to $150k and so on. How do I know this? It’s pretty simple, I’m baffled why people keep voting Democrat, because Democrat ALWAYS raise taxes on almost ALL tax brackets. I guess we really do have short memories. If and when we elect Obama, then we really do deserved to get shafted.

Posted by: Neko | October 22, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

flip flop!!!!!!!!!!!!
why isnt cnn (obama news channel) reporting it?

Posted by: John | October 22, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Anyone who thinks what Obama promises is going to actually happen is stupid. Nailing jelly to the wall! That is about the most accurate thing I have heard in this election. The american people are nothing but ignorant sheep. No wonder the world thinks so little of them!

Posted by: Phoebe | October 22, 2008, 11:41 am 11:41 am

What WON’T Obama say to get elected?

Posted by: BigBingo | October 22, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

No, socialism the the fact that John McCain WANTS THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BUY EVERYONE’S MORTGAGE!!!
So, to all you GOPers and Libertarians, YOUR CANDIDATE is goose-stepping around advocating that the government buy people’s mortgages. The GOVERNMENT WILL OWN YOUR PROPERTY AND BE ABLE TO KICK YOU OFF IT WHEN IT WANTS TO!!!
Talk about GOVERNMENT BLOAT!! Even economists think it’s a bad idea!
Before you look at the Democrats, perhaps you should look at your own case of cancer. Socialist McCain, seems like her brought a bit more back from Vietnam than you expected. LOL!
GOP, what a bunch of clowns. Go live in the woods, it’s where you belong. You can be McCain’s “fellow prisoners” roughing it outside society. But of course, he’ll own your home anyway, dunces. LOL!!!!!! LMAO!!!

Posted by: Sick of Whiners | October 22, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Pray very hard that this guy, Barry O, doesn’t get elected. Your earnings will take a major hit, your homes will take another major hit when you sell and just about anyone NOT working will get a part of YOUR salary.
You want to support the homeless guy on the street corner? Then cough up some money and hand it to him. For me, I don’t want Barry O to take my money and give it to him. He’ll just drink it away.
WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: R | October 22, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

the law prohibits welfare recipients from working for their benefits. the only way a free society can change this is to legislate the change. if you think your state legislature is going to change this, then have another drink of kool aid. our country has reached its breaking point and the democrats know it. the only thing that will keep them from dismantling our constitution is the 2nd amendment which obama wants to change. hang on people, you havn’t seen anything yet.

Posted by: virg | October 22, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Where are the people in the middle anymore?In a time (with the internet)where we could have great debate on the issues. We are so divided by party that we end up sticking by our candidates no matter what. Do you Democrats really like the liberal direction your party is taking us? Do you republicans like the spending binge we were on when we controlled all 3 branches? One person said something about Satan being better than Republicans. Well Im afraid we would vote for Satan if our parties gave him the nomination.
I think Obama is smart. He would represent our Country with dignity. He has never run a business, or made a payroll. His ideas are that of a liberal college senior with no work experience. (not evil just naive)

Posted by: roger | October 22, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

“Pray very hard that this guy, Barry O, doesn’t get elected. Your earnings will take a major hit, your homes will take another major hit when you sell and just about anyone NOT working will get a part of YOUR salary.”
Thanks you to the cry from Wall Street. Is that Richard Fuld of Lehman Brothers posting here now? Oh, boo-hoo-hoo, I make more than a QUARTER-OF-A-MILLION-PER-YEAR and I just dont wanna pay taxes!
Waaaahhhh, waaaahhhh …
Man up for a change.

Posted by: taxman | October 22, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

The tension is building. People are fighting in the streets. Many are angered in fear of loosing their freedoms. People are being silenced all around and the truth is being hidden left and right.
I’m talking about the United States. Too much fighting internally will cause our downfall if we do not stop. It isn’t about white or black or republican or democrat. When this country was founded, it was founded as a REPUBLIC. There was one party. That party was for the people not for the government.
The tensions in this country are building every day. If too many more of our freedoms are taken away, if those who EARNED their money loose it to be redistributed, then I seriously feel that the government will have a full on revolt on it’s hands.
A second American Revolution is over the horizon. I am not sure this country is in the position to deal with either the taxes nor another revolution. I already wake up, disturbed by the thoughts of Obama silencing those who speak against him or taking everyones life away financially.
I cannot hate anyone be it a Republican or a Democrat, but I urge you all to vote for our freedom. Those of you who are voting for Obama because you think you will get more money and he can save us all. He can’t and he won’t. I know we are in hard times, but we must all be strong. It is not politics that can save us, but only we as citizens can save this country.
It will happen, I just hope we do not have to go through a full fledged revolution for the citizens of this country to wake up and decide that it’s time to look back at what the United States USED to stand for. We can stand for that again.
To put it in perspective for everyone. Those of you caling the rich selfish for not giving more money, who do you ask the government to give this money to? You ask because you want more money. Weather they go broke filling your pocket or not, you really don’t care. Humans are naturally selfish.
We need to move beyond all that crap and realize that the world is watching us. That we are supposed to be the example and we find ourselves lazy in every way. I admit I have been lazy here and there as well. It’s the path of least resistance. I think it’s time that we stop. The citizens need to make the change and voice our opinion. That is OUR jobs as citizens of this country. They cannot know how to make changes that we all like without us all expressing it ourselves. Then, we need to make sure that the changes work the way WE want them to, not the way they government wants.
I just don’t want to wake up in the morning and fear for my freedom because I don’t think, look, or feel a certain way, and I can feel that comming with Obama heading to the office. I do not believe the citizens of this country are dumb enough to let that kind of ruler keep his power.
God bless this country and everything it is supposed to stand for and God bless all of us. Let’s do the right thing, NOT the easy thing.

Posted by: Dave | October 22, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

How nice. I am retired, but Obama has decided I will go back to work — like it or not. Thanks, A**H*L*.

Posted by: Big John | October 22, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

I’m not crazy about McCain but I’m voting for him because if Obama gets in, we’ll be a Socialistic nation. I have friends in Germany who live the life Obama proposes and say it doesn’t work! We need smaller government; we need more of our own money that we can decide how we want to spend it; we need to be able to make choices; we need to have the opportunity to send money to foreign countries that need our help; it shouldn’t be taken from our paychecks and sent out of the country when we have so much need here. Obama is a Socialist with many scary friends. It’s scary how many voters are completely uneducated and are voting for him because he’s black or he sounds good and talks the talk. Voters need to educate themselves. The more I research Obama, the more scared I become. He gives a good speech, as Hillary said, but he has no substance and what he believes in is really scary. He’s duping people and many are believing he’ll save them – where will he get the money?? He can’t get it all from the rich. Voters better think before they vote and stop being sheeple.

Posted by: Mary | October 22, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Posted by: Sick of Whiners | October 22, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

we have a choice between a socialist and a socialist. hmmm how should i decide. they are both part of the problem. legislators!!!! the one thing that legislators need is money from us to use for all the “good and well intensioned” programs. Im sick of all this.

Posted by: will it end | October 22, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Concerned American,
Y didn’t you answer my posts on taxes? Because you can’t
Alaska has high per capita public expenditures, becuase it is the largest state in the union. Like bridges to nowhere, roads are not cheap, infrastructure is not cheap. When you have a large number of miles to build roads and few people to drive on those roads, then you get high per capita public expenditures.
You really need to stop posting.

Posted by: Concerned about Idiot Americans voting | October 22, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

To “Smith” and anyone else out there who thinks Barack Hussein Obama will not tax you. If a business has it’s taxes increased, who pays it? The business surely does not. They pass on the increased tax to their employees and customers. BHO is playing a shell game on the street corner and you are all being taken in. And (just to use a number) any of you out there working hard to make $30K REALLY want to give somebody not paying ANY taxes some of your money?? Let me be blunt. That is stupid. You may not pay an increased income tax, but you will pay. Furthermore, ANYONE who would kill a baby would not hesitate to do whatever he wants to you. It is a sad day if the majority of a nation founded in freedom would be willing to give up that freedom for the smoke dream of lining their pockets. And if you think the socialist nations around the world have it better than you have it now, in our current free, capitalist, democratic republic, you need to do some research. As a nation we need to take responsiblity for our actions, own up to our mistakes, repent, and turn our faces back to God.

Posted by: Chris | October 22, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

Sounds like the Earned Income Credit to me. Which is fine — as a tax preparer, I know all too well about the working poor, struggling to maintain a home and support a family. Sometimes all that stands between them and disaster is that tax rebate early in the year.
I know republicans will turn up their noses and insinuate somehow these folks don’t deserve a thing—but it’s not true. We can’t all have college degrees and nice jobs with benefits. The world isn’t like that, and I’m glad Barack Obama understands that a country is judged by how they take care of their poor.

Posted by: MizLiz | October 22, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

I am a republican voting for Obama. I want the House and Senate to be in the hands of the Dems also. The tax increases will kill the economy possibly sending us into a recession. This will be the end of the socialist movement in the country.

Posted by: Jim | October 22, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

If Obama is elected we will begin to see the elimination of the MIDDLE CLASS in this country. It is just a function of how quickly/severe the economic crisis gets. I work in a financial institution and am very worried about the economy. We are approaching a severe resession/depression by next Spring. The economic policies of Obama are exactly what we do not need now.
The recession will last 1-2 years—(my guess is until 10/2010?) — it will be very bad. I think we will test the bottom in the stock market again and maybe further down by year end. A lot of people will be selling this year and double so if Obama wins. When he increases taxes next year it will KILL the economy and the middle class!!! Mark my word—it’s going to be bad if he is elected but unfortunately not much better if McCain is elected (but at least he is not a markist/socialist)! After all where is the $700 billion+ going to come from? Taxes will go up OR the Treasury will “run the presses” and cause hyper-inflation maybe beginning in 2011. A lot of regional banks will be bought up or go belly up. We will start hearing about them in December. I am really worried about the dollar—when you see it start to go have some type of EXIT PLAN ready. 40% of all the debt the US has outstanding is financed by the world who will not be able to handle it anymore. The Fed can continue to do this or run the presses meaning that inflation is the next huge problem we may face—especially if Obama is elected. People with a mortgage will be helped with hyper-inflation ($ worth less) if they still have a job. God help us because the politicians/government may not be able too anymore.

Posted by: Darrell | October 22, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

WAY TO GO MCCAIN!!! HE WANTS TO OWN YOUR HOME, but again, alas, has no idea how to pay for it. And, all he’s going to do is REWARD BAD BEHAVIOR.
You know who rejected McCain’s plan? OBAMA. Obama wants you to keep your own home, your own loan. If you have a mortgage today, and you are keeping it paid, not falling behind, this is a testament to you. Obama isn’t going to reward your neighbor with a COSTLY GIVEAWAY just because they can’t budget and can’t control themselves.
McCain will. A giveaway for bad behavior.
“Oct. 8 (Bloomberg) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain is proposing the government divert some money set aside for buying mortgage securities and instead PURCHASE HOME LOANS …
The refinancing program may be more expensive than McCain is forecasting and could worsen the foreclosure crisis by giving new loans to people who are already unable to pay, said Susan Wachter, a real estate professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School in Philadelphia…”

Posted by: MortgageMan | October 22, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Hey – Barack Obamas ‘Security’ team is on TV. Lots of smiling faces and not a working brain among them.

Posted by: Daito | October 22, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Concerned American, y don’t you respond to this? You tucked tail and ran on the AFL post….??!!?!
A message to the Kool-Aid drunk Obama Nation (hereafter KADON)
Understand that the only track record Senator Obama has is a track record of failing to deliver on campaign promises, like the tax cuts he promised the voters of Illinois. So know this: he will cut no taxes, never has, never will. That aside:
KADON, I think that you might be able to grasp the idea that few earn over $250,000 without a little help, a little help from, well, employees. Now, for simplicity, lets refer to those as employers, whether they be rich individuals or corporations. Enterprises run by employers, KADON, may well, not be the only supplier of the products/services they offer. They may well compete against many suppliers, even some from abroad, even some from abroad having certain cost advantages. These cost advantages, KADON, could be wages, raw material prices or, they could be tax expenses. That is right taxes are expenses, to employers, wealthy or not. Now, lets think about those U.S. corporations that are fighting for their life (please read this also to be fighting for the existence of the jobs that they offer, to employees, in the U.S.). Many corporations maintain physical presence in both the U.S. and the abroad. Now, hypothetically, if, their operations in the U.S. face an 80% tax rate on profits, while their Malaysian operations face only a 15% tax rate, then do you see, how it makes economic sense, for the employer, to think it is likely a very good decision to move operations from Ohio to Malaysia? Now, it will be more subtle, the tax rates aren’t nearly as different, but they are different. Then, they might just stop hiring in Ohio and hire only in Malaysia. In any case, there are some in Ohio who might either be laid off or not hired.
Regardless, even though your dear candidate will offer 95% of all Americans a lower tax rate, those laid off because their rich employer had to shift jobs overseas, still have no job. They’ll be baffled 3 years from now. Maybe they’ll say, I should have said thanks, but no thanks Senator on that tax plan to nowhere.
So KADON, understand this simple lesson. The wealthy employ. If changes occur to the cost structure in their operations, including tax expenses, they will be incented to react, if they don’t they may find themselves at a cost advantage sufficient to erode their economic viability on a permanent basis, or at least until they cease to exist, in which case, nobody has a paycheck from them.
Ok, rich American corporations, lets assume that our above corporation is not struggling, lets say that it is called Exxon. Well, KADON, Exxon produces some energy in America, using American employees to do so. America is not a cheap place to produce energy. What, do you think Exxon will do, when President Obamba raises, as he likes to say so often, taxes on corporations that export jobs overseas? You got it! They’ll divest (reads: send to the unemployment lines) their American energy production operations.
This is an important concept, about wealth redistribution, that I want you to grasp KADON. When President Obama puts millions of Americans, formerly employed by ‘wealthy corporations that export jobs overseas’, onto the unemployment line, they will not, unless Ms. Pelosi redistributes wealth and gives them a nice fat Socialist welfare check, have any money to buy the goods and services offered by all small businesses, including those that the young Senator claims he will not tax additionally. Small business owners will be baffled too. “President Obama, thanks for not taxing my income additionally, thanks for going after the evil rich, but, my profit is nowhere near $232k, as it was before you took office, it is $104k, what happened? I drank the Kook-aid! I promise I did. I had to lay off 2 employees because demand is so weak for my products, because so many corporate types have been laid off and have no money to buy my products. I feel like a wealthy employer, please help”…
Is it sinking in?
One final thing, I hate to burst the bubble of all of you out there that have drank Mr. Obama’s Kool-aid, but when he says “tax cuts for employers that export jobs overseas”, he isn’t really referring to Republican led legislation that actually instructed the IRS to give a tax credit to all corporations that actually did export jobs. What he is really referring to is Republican led legislation that incented corporations to not export jobs, by giving them a tax cut, but, even though the tax cuts were given, jobs were still exported, because the tax cuts weren’t sufficient, for some, to allow them to maintain their U.S. employment. This is yet another aspect that Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, MSNBC, etc. have failed to present to the American public. Shame on them!
I hope that this helps you all with your future pOstings, here and elsewhere.

Posted by: Taxes 101 for Democrats and Undecided that need to see through the Kool-aid | October 22, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Obama’s tax plan in summary!! From an expert, not me.
TAX CUTS EXPLAINED
Because it’s the election season, let’s put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand.
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do.
The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement until one day the owner threw them a curved ball (or is that a curved beer!).
‘Because you are all such good customers,’ he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20.’
Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes so the first four men were unaffected.
They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers?
How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’
They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33.
But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer.
So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so:
The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings).
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33% savings).
The seventh now paid $5 instead of $7 (28% savings).
The eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now! paid $ 14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before.
And the first four continued to drink for free.
But once outside the restaurant the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’ declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man, ‘but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than me!’
‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man.
‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two?
The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘
We didn’t get anything at all.
The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth man and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sa! t down and had beers without him.
But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important.
They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our Tax System works.
The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction.
Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just may not show up anymore.
In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R Kamerschen , Ph.D.
Professor of Economics
University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.’

Posted by: Mary | October 22, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

The last 2% of what? The last 2% of the tax payers left standing. When a Socialist Democrat says income redistribution, forget the tax cut plan. If you worked for it, someone who has not worked will share in your wealth. Middle class tax cut? Bill Clinton promised that two times to get elected. Did you get yours from Bill Clinton? I did not! I did get one from President Bush, and the economy was doing pretty well… until the Democrats got back the majority.

Posted by: rank | October 22, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Jim, you read my mind. An Obama victory may be the only way we can kill American socialism. Unfortunately, the effect is very short-lived. Carter killed liberalism but it came back with a vengence. We need to kill it, then follow with a truly conservative administration that trims the government back to the basics.

Posted by: Dave C | October 22, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Check out the reasons not to vote for Obama at http://www.usofoz.com.
We haven’t come very far as a society.

Posted by: Derek | October 22, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

“The worker could still qualify by working any time in the last taxable year…”
What constitutes “working”? Is it possible to work only 1 day in the past year and still qualify for Obama’s plan?

Posted by: D | October 22, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

you got it Mary…right on girl!!
don’t give up…get that message out to all your friends as am I…if not, they might actually have to believe what either Osama’s ads, or Mr. Gibson or Ms. Couric tell them / don’t tell them.

Posted by: right on mary | October 22, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

So, is he going to be giving money to people who don’t owe taxes or not?
Because every description of his plans say that that is his intent.

Posted by: Keith_Indy | October 22, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Another example of BO’s idea of “change” – change anything to get a vote. What “change” is he going to make if he gets in office? Since we don’t know, BO is scary – but then it will be too late to change our minds.

Posted by: Mary-Beth Frazee | October 22, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

Obama is slick…TOO slick for me! No need to repeat portions of posted opinions shown above. We all want CHANGE…but what kind of change? Obama’s socialistic “spread the wealth” change and a new “foreign policy” change that would endanger our very existence as a free people? Wake up voters! Obama is not a bad person per se…but absolutely wrong politically to lead our great nation during the next four years. Yes…McCain has his share of warts, but he will be the right person during the next FOUR years. Then maybe Hillary will re-tool herself and we can consider all political options in 2012. PLEASE just think twice before pulling the lever for Obama! Thanks…

Posted by: TRS | October 22, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

I see a lot of people who are so brainwashed that they feel it s better to support the businesses than the people. Decrie socialism, but SS, Medicare,graduated income tax,insurance,and a host of other things everyone uses is a pooling of money and redistribution of wealth, If you can’t see the fact, you probably can’t see the brown shirt you are wearing.

Posted by: bg14truth | October 22, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

“Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy and they just may not show up anymore.
In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.”
Mary, you are so right, SUCH A GENIUS, letting someone else think for you with alarmist drivel.
Because, you know, when George HW Bush raised taxes after promising not to, that is exactly what happened, the wealthy people got beaten up and then left the country and took all their money with them.
You’re just another of the mindless paid-by-McCain commentators who spend all day on the message boards of Drudge linked stories. I’ve seen that post several times before on other stories.
Post all you want. Even McCain’s “Economists for McCain” are not backing his economic plans to save the economy.
Typical idocracy …

Posted by: jeebus lives! | October 22, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

As a student, I qualified for the EIC and actually got a bigger tax refund than I actually PAID in taxes that year. But it’s not welfare! It’s money that rich people STOLE from me!

Posted by: Larry | October 22, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

Maybe one of your dunce right-wingers will actually have the spine to respond if I post again.
Maybe Mary or one of her spelling-challenged fans … but then again, I’m not sure if the McCain campaign has a scripted response to MCCAIN’S PLAN TO BUY EVERYONE’S HOME!!
“WAY TO GO MCCAIN!!! HE WANTS TO OWN YOUR HOME, but again, alas, has no idea how to pay for it. And, all he’s going to do is REWARD BAD BEHAVIOR.
You know who rejected McCain’s plan? OBAMA. Obama wants you to keep your own home, your own loan. If you have a mortgage today, and you are keeping it paid, not falling behind, this is a testament to you. Obama isn’t going to reward your neighbor with a COSTLY GIVEAWAY just because they can’t budget and can’t control themselves.
McCain will. A giveaway for bad behavior.
“Oct. 8 (Bloomberg) — Republican presidential candidate John McCain is proposing the government divert some money set aside for buying mortgage securities and instead PURCHASE HOME LOANS …
The refinancing program may be more expensive than McCain is forecasting and could worsen the foreclosure crisis by giving new loans to people who are already unable to pay, said Susan Wachter, a real estate professor at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School in Philadelphia…”"

Posted by: MortgageMan | October 22, 2008, 12:02 pm 12:02 pm

To take a one minute break from this discussion and ask a question. What is up with the person posting to this discussion that goes by the name “Read my comments”. His/her stuff makes no sense at all. Does any one know? Thanks in advance

Posted by: Roxanne Forager | October 22, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

This is what I love about Obama.
He has no problem with killing babies that survive an abortion but he has trouble teaching his two daughters to keep their legs closed!
QUOTE: ‘I don’t want my two daughters to be punished for making a mistake.’
Well Hell Man! Teacher your daughters not to be just another two black sluts that need an abortion!
That’s the long and short of it, he’ll say and do anything to get elected.

Posted by: BigBingo | October 22, 2008, 12:03 pm 12:03 pm

I have been waiting for this to happen since I was a child. I grew up during the 60s and I embraced the counter revolution back then. But as I grew older I realized that the counter revolution has its roots in Marxism. See this all can be traced back to the 60s. The “revolution” and civil rights. I am all for civil rights, but not in the vain of the black panthers. Look at Obamas associations. David Ayers? Radical 60s liberal. Reverand Right? Radical civil rights. We need to get back to being Americans with a capital A as opposed to americans with a small a. We need to embrace our heritage and get back to the roots of our founding fathers. For too long, our Govt has lost its way, including Bush. Lennon was a Marxist. Putin is loving this. To the 60s liberals… Please wake up. Please!

Posted by: Groovy Dude | October 22, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Any way you slice it, he is still “spreading the wealth around”. This is nothing short of Marxism, which, according to Marx, is the transitional stage between capitalism and communism.

Posted by: concerned American | October 22, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Look at the republican posts on this board and throughout the media. Name calling misinformed scared people blindly following a candidate who crashes jet aircraft, but gets to fly again and again because his father and grandfather where high ranking naval personnel. He dumps his first wife after she no longer meets his physical standards. He flip flopped back and forth with the wind on the firing of Rumsfeld. He supports WELFARE bailouts for rich banker and investment firms. He was involved in the Keating Five investment scandal.
And then there’s his running mate Palin. She travels with her family on tax payer money and has purchased $150,000 in clothing and accessories for her and her family with RNC money. She fires officials whom she doesn’t like, bans books, and is profoundly ignorant of foreign policy…
McCain and Palin are not the GOP leaders I remember of the past. The GOP has better to offer this country. It has failed us all miserably.
But all you can think is… yea well the democrats suck worst.
Not his time.
We had all better find a common ground to save our country from both political parties because it seems we are headed third world.
We’re broke borrowing money.
We produce very little to sell to raise capital.
We do produce over 50% of the worlds weapon systems. War and conflict is good business for America. Is that what you want?
Our automotive industry is in the toilet.
The banks have robbed us.
And we sit here arguing with each other while the country slides even further into a hole.

Posted by: unemployed loser commentor | October 22, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Some of you should go live outside of the United States for awhile and understand the core differences in a free market society and socialism. I have spent considerable time in several socialist countries and I can tell you that it does not work. Large government, massive unemployment, incredibly high taxes, poor healthcare and more.
Through my businesses I conduct a large amount of immigration and bring families from all over the world to America. I have heard the horror stories from various communist and socialist countries – they aren’t pretty.
If free market capitalism is so bad then why do citizens of almost all other nations in the world dream of coming to America – I see it everyday – I see families exit USCIS and drop to their knees crying that they made it to America. It’s not so that the government can support them; it is so that they have the freedom (economic and personal) to prosper, to CREATE WEALTH; to create a better life for themselves and their children.
Example….go live in Canada or the UK for a few years and wehn you need a tooth pulled or a simple outpatient surgery – you get placed on a 9 month waiting list – that sounds terrific!!!
You all need to wake up ad understand that you live in the best country in the world, because it was built on principles of a free market economy, on family values (that would be a man and a woman) and GOD, yes, I know, how dare you mention GOD!
WAKE THE HELL UP AMERICANS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: TJ | October 22, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

MortgageMan,
Reality bites dude…we wouldn’t be ‘here’ if it weren’t for the dumb arse Dems. you blindly back….you may be interested in the following article reported in the New York Times five years ago. You won’t hear this during Mr. Gibson or Ms. Eva Braun Couric’s news cast / Obama infomercial.
Make no mistake, the Democrats halted attempts to reign in Fannie Freddie / avert the crisis we now face.
It seems that the Bush administration proposed increased oversight and regulation of Fannie and Freddie, but Democrats fought it. Here’s the article:
‘The Bush administration today recommended the most significant regulatory overhaul in the housing finance industry since the savings
and loan crisis a decade ago. Under the plan, disclosed at a Congressional
hearing today, a new agency would be created within the Treasury Department to assume supervision of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-sponsored
companies that are the two largest players in the mortgage lending industry. The new agency would have the authority, which now rests with Congress, to set one of the two capital-reserve requirements for the companies. It would exercise authority over any new lines of business. And it would determine whether the two are adequately managing the risks of their ballooning portfolios..’ Democrats pushed back. ‘Among the groups denouncing the proposal today
were the National Association of Home Builders and Congressional Democrats
who fear that tighter regulation of the companies could sharply reduce their
commitment to financing low-income and affordable housing’. ‘These two
entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis’, said Barney Frank of Massachusetts, the ranking Democrat on the Financial Services Committee. ‘The more people exaggerate these problems, the more pressure there is on these companies, the less we will see in terms of affordable housing.’ Representative Melvin L. Watt, Democrat of North Carolina, agreed. ‘I don’t see much other than a shell game going on here, moving something from one agency to another and in the process weakening the bargaining power of poorer families and their ability to get affordable housing,’
Mr. Watt said.

Posted by: Morgage Crisis 101 for Democracts and undecideds seeking to see through the Kool-Aid | October 22, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

BTW, MARY, you might want to let the campaign know that the economic “Tax Cuts Explained” that you posted is A LIE!!!
The Economics Professor you cited – David R. Kamerschen – DIDN’T WRITE YOUR STUPID POST!!!
LOL!!!! You idiot. Here’s his homepage at the University of GA:
http://davidk.myweb.uga.edu/
HIS WORDS, FIRST SENTENCE: “Complete vitae available online. Contrary to Internet folklore, Dr. Kamerschen is NOT the author of “Tax Cuts: A Simple Lesson in Economics.” Additionally, he does NOT know who wrote it.”
Know who wrote it?!? THAT SOCIALIST LIAR MCCAIN!!!! Him and his lying cronies!!!
And you IDIOTS all believe it!!! Way to go Mary, you’ve proven that the McCain campaign you work for doesn’t have a brain cell in your collective head. And collectivism is something Socialist McCain knows well.

Posted by: Sick of Whiners | October 22, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Bush lowered everyone’s taxes. The Democrats will not renew those cuts and everyone’s taxes will go up, regardless of what Obama says. Americans will not make a sudden left turn to socialism and the evil of redistribution of one’s hard earned wealth. Do you want the government taking more of your money and having the government deciding who should get your money?

Posted by: Sigmonde | October 22, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Not sure how McCain expects to win Pennsylvania.
I’m in Philly and theres never anything McCain related anywhere. Loads of Obama stuff everywhere. We had alot of those Acorn representatives signing up people in the subways and stuff.
Seems like McCain is losing all the states he needs to win. PA is not great for republicans, he would’ve done better to hone in on the conservative base like Bush did so well back in the day.

Posted by: Joe | October 22, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

Obama is a self confessed Socialist. He was a member of, and campained in 1995 as a candidate for The New Party.
He doesn’t care. And his supporters don’t care. They just want that free money he’s going to be giving them.
Seriously, he claims that he is going to make poor people ‘middle class’ without them having to earn it.
That is what ‘spreading the wealth’ is all about. It’s not confusing to those that vote for him.
I want to quit my job and get in line for some of those freebies!
He started off pushing for higher education and better opportunties and jobs for minorities. His rhetoric is now straightforward, ‘don’t worry, we’re gonna spread the wealth from the wealthy’.
i hate him.

Posted by: Kathryn | October 22, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

For those who ask…
Didn’t you hear – just this morning – that Obama “tweaked” his tax plan LAST NIGHT, I think??…another flip flop of many!! In response, of course, to Palin’s and McCain’s recent attacks. Here is an extract from the note and the ABC url. Go there for details.
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/10/obama-alters-ta.html
Obama Tweaks Tax Plan to Rebut McCain
October 21, 2008 9:21 PM
ABC News’ Teddy Davis, Hope Ditto, Arnab Datta, and Ferdous Alfaruque Report:
Facing criticism from John McCain that his tax plan constitutes “welfare,” Barack Obama recently added a work requirement to one of his proposals.
“They started saying this was welfare,” said Obama adviser Austan oolsbee. “So, just so they would absolutely not be able to say that, we decided that for the last two percent we’ll simply add a work requirement.”
Goolsbee discussed the change to Obama’s universal mortgage credit while debating McCain adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin at the Council on Foreign Relations on Tuesday.
The purpose of Obama’s 10 percent universal mortgage credit is to aid taxpayers who do not itemize when filing taxes. The Obama campaign estimates that it would provide an average of $500 to 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year.
Obama will say or do anything that’s required to get elected, as the above confirms.

Posted by: Mary | October 22, 2008, 12:09 pm 12:09 pm

I think Stanley is about the most retarded poster here. “cooky”??? You mean, like the thing you eat?
I have something for you to eat, Stanley, you little turd

Posted by: stanley sucks | October 22, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

obama is a Communist!!
Why should i give my hard earned money to this communist so that he can put it in someone elses pocket???? TAXES are to better the country not spread the wealth!! Liberals are not smart people, or they are just beyond ignorent. Soon he will tell us what to eat, what are kids should learn, who to be friends with… he already is telling us how to live our life… he is so dangerous .. it is scary

Posted by: vict | October 22, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Obama has been saying “tax cuts for 95% of working Americans” the entire time

Posted by: Curtis | October 22, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Ummmm, that mortgage bill died in committee … RUN BY THE GOP … LOL!
You can quote whatever you want, fact is a Republican Committee killed regulation of Fannie and Freddie before it ever came to the floor. Go do your homework. Clearly, McCain didn’t have clout back then.
And BTW, National Association of Home Builders is a Republican leaning lobbying group. Bush 41 was their keynote speaker a few years back. So, doubtful a big lobbying firm like them would have let the GOP Senators approve it anyway. Facts are facts.

Posted by: To Mortgage Crisis 101 | October 22, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

How did rich people steal money from you Larry? This is America and you should work for what you get. This WSJ article explains economics in laymens terms. I suggest you read it. It might not be fair that rich people make more than you but it doesn’t really matter. If you tax them more they will create fewer jobs and buy fewer things thus creating a stagnate economy. It might not be fair but thats life. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122420352554042529.html

Posted by: Alex | October 22, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

Mr. Goolsbee,
You are giving “tax cuts” to those who are not paying income taxes. That is socialism whether said recipients are working or not. Much like your economic policy, your argument doesn’t pass even the thinnest degree of scrutiny.

Posted by: Grant | October 22, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

The Obama campaign estimates that it would provide an average of $500 to 10 million homeowners, the majority of whom earn less than $50,000 per year.
How many American can afford a home with less than $50,000 a year? They are paying minimum tax already and why should they get $500 back……

Posted by: TC | October 22, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Obama seems to forgot his psudo tax credit that returns payroll tax amounts to people who only pay payroll taxes will finish social security.
The Obama slaves seem to have forgotten that PR taxes are reserved for paying Docial Security. Reducing these revenues dramatically means either reducing payouts and/or increasing taxes even further to pay for ongoing Social Sceurity Payments.
His plan to fold in 12-20 million illegals should burden the SS plan to the breaking point.
Good luck Obamabots when the Boomers find out that they are bankrupted.
Oh, I forgot, the boomers are all for Obama, suckers.

Posted by: Theodore Baar | October 22, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

“He has no problem with killing babies that survive an abortion but he has trouble teaching his two daughters to keep their legs closed!
Well Hell Man! Teacher your daughters not to be just another two black sluts that need an abortion!”
Yup, JUST LIKE SARAH PALIN AND HER UNWED, WHORE DAUGHTER AND B*STARD GRANDCHILD!!!
Once again, the party of Mark Foley, Larry Craig, and Ted Haggert passing along the VERY BEST in family values. And McCain CLEARLY AGREES with that!!! LOL! What a joke …

Posted by: To Big Bingo | October 22, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

“work requirement” could mean referring at a night basketball game
or volunteering for ACORN!

Posted by: DF | October 22, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

So Obama improved his plan!? Whats the big deal? I’m glad they are working to make the best possible plan and not stubborn and inflexible. This is the judgment we need in this country. Not old ideas that are inflexible to compromise!
Vote Obama ’08

Posted by: SD Patriot | October 22, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

This just indicates Obama is willing to hear from both sides of the isle and tweak legislation to make it acceptable to all. Isnt that what you want from a good president?

Posted by: adam russell | October 22, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

obama promises:
taking from one and giving to another
cutting the military
negotiating with terrorists & tyrants
eliminating civil liberties on speech
promoting gay marriage
opening up borders
promoting acorn & unethical groups
obama administration will be the most corrupt ever in American history.

Posted by: bill clintoon | October 22, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

OMG, NOBAMA AND THE NEVER ENDING PRESS CONFERENCE, ALWAYS EXPLAINING A BOOB OR GAF, OR SOMETHING STUPID HIS CAMPAIGN SAYS. I AM BEGINNING TO THINK THAT IN ORDER TO GET FREE BROADCAST, HE CAN GET MORE ADVERTISEMENT, DOES THIS SEEM CURIOUS, THAT IT GIVES OBAMA, MORE TV,EXPOSURE, AND IT IS NEWS, AND IT IS FREE. MCCAIN SHOULD COME OUT GIVE ANOTHER NEWS CONFERENCE, HE SNEAKED IN HIS AGENDA,PEOPLE, WAKE UP, HE IS FRIGHTENING ENOUGH, HIS SOCIALISTIC VIEW ARE IN THE MAKING. THE CODE ROAD IS NOT RACISIST, THESE CODE WORDS ARE WHY LATIN AMERICA, HAS FALLEN TO SOCIALISM AND COMMUNISM….PRAY FOR MCCAIN AND PALIN

Posted by: OMGptl | October 22, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

“go live in Canada or the UK for a few years and wehn you need a tooth pulled or a simple outpatient surgery – you get placed on a 9 month waiting list – that sounds terrific!!!”
TJ, I do live in the UK and, even as an American citizen, I’m covered by their NHS. I had a tooth pulled a few months back. I went in, scheduled the appointment, and had it pulled 2.5 weeks later. And it COST NOTHING.
Perhaps you should stop lying to everyone and actually talk about facts. I don’t need to go anywhere … I’m here, right now, and I can tell you that you are wrong.

Posted by: Living Outside the US | October 22, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

If you’re DRUDGE reader, you should try out blipnews.
http://www.blipnews.com
It’s a tool that allows you to sort all of the content from DRUDGE REPORT by most recent articles–so you don’t waste another 30 seconds of your life sifting through stories you’ve already looked at…

Posted by: blipnews.com | October 22, 2008, 12:19 pm 12:19 pm

believe that he won’t keep tweaking later on….maybe to the extent where he says “what the heck, lets share all the wealth in the US and give it to the Global community….it would be FAIR”. Maybe we can make the US a totally bankrupt Country….then we can get in line for handouts from the UN….or whatever Global entity we end up subservient to…Change…but not for the better.

Posted by: joanne | October 22, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

Anybody who believes there will be a work requirement under Obama is a FOOL.

Posted by: PeteO | October 22, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Government should either raise taxes on EVERYBODY or reduce taxes for EVERYBODY, not pick and choose groups to redistribute wealth. Obama’s plan will fuel class warfare, and you can see evidence of that from many comments.

Posted by: Sigmonde | October 22, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

Both candidates are worthless. Vote Nader.

Posted by: Jackal | October 22, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

The work requirement HAS always been there. In fact Obama mentioned it in the 2nd debate tax rebates and opportunities to start or expand small businesses could be had in exchange for military or volunteer service.
Wealth redistribution my ass. It’s called taking back what has been rightfully stolen over the past 8 years.

Posted by: DM | October 22, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

“And it COST NOTHING.’
lol…Someone paid for that, didn’t they?

Posted by: Sigmonde | October 22, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Oh yeah Joanne! Better yet lets just continue down the path we’ve been on for the last 8 years under Bush where the Republican economic policies have driven the economy into the ground with a record deficit and two foreign wars and tax breaks for only the rich! What you describe is what will happen if we continue down the same path and dont make some fundamental changes to our economic policies. Apparently, favorable tax policies shold be given only to the rich and wall street.

Posted by: SD Patriot | October 22, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

@Sick of Whiners
He only wants to buy down, not buy the mortgages. What’s the differnece anyway, the Liberal Supreme court said we don’t really own our property anyway.
I hope you enjoy having a big mouth. Once the socialists take over, the first ones they silence are the radicals that got them elected. But maybe we will all be united…..with Hope. Anyway, it is going to be fun watching you explain the collapse of our economy when your policies are implemented. We’ll tax those Rich Guys.
And when they are all gone we’ll…………………………

Posted by: SoWhat | October 22, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

fact is under mccain no one in america will have property rights anymore. he wants to BUY everyones home!!!!!
wake up people, wake up!!! how bad an idea is that for obama to think its nuts too!!!!!
morons

Posted by: property rights | October 22, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Obama’s plan still gives an income redistribution check to a huge number of people above the poverty line.
He can’t claim it’s not income redistribution unless he eliminates 40% of people who will get a check.

Posted by: COnative1966 | October 22, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

obama will become the world’s most unigue “community agitator”. America will become the cash cow for obama to “spread the wealth around”. Acorn will continue to help STEAL the election for democrats. Fannie mae & freddie mac will to steal money from tax payers.

Posted by: bill clintoon | October 22, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

Does it really matter? Like either one of these candidates will do anything they say. I personally cannot vote for anyone that voted for the bailout plan and both candidates did.
Vote Nader, not traitor

Posted by: Allen | October 22, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

“Mortgage Tax Credit”? I’m lost. Way too many
Tax credits. We’d need a whole new bureaucracy
to keep track. Many will find a way to ‘game’
the whole thing and get wealthy from all the
Tax Credits. And they call McCain ‘erratic’?
Obama has two agendas. Bring Socialism to
America, and with all the giveaways buy the
election. All the while ruining the economy.
It would be MUCH simpler to continue the
Bush tax cuts. Less bookkeeping and less
chance for fraudulent claims and NO need
for a huge new govt. entity to manage it all.
The Bush tax cuts boosted the economy, and
despite liberal claims to the contrary, was
fair to all. ” Wall Street Journal has an op-ed today on their website. “The top 1% of taxpayers, that’s defined by people who earn $388,000,” almost $389,000; $388,806 is the number. If you earned that or above, you’re in the top 1%. “In 2006, you paid 40% of all income taxes, the highest share in 40 years. The top 10% in income, that’s income above $108,904, paid 71% of all income taxes. Barack Obama says he’s going to cut taxes for those at the bottom. But that’s going to be a challenge, because Americans with an income below the median paid a record low of 2.9% of all income taxes, while the top 50% paid 97.1% of all taxes. Now, we’re told the rich paid more taxes because they made a greater share of the money. That’s true. “The top 1% earned 22% of all reported income, but they also paid a share of taxes not far from double their share of income.” In other words, the tax code’s already steeply progressive. Yes, even at 35, 36%. And what this proves is the old adage that when you lower taxes, you get increased revenue. Listen to these numbers. “In 1990, the richest 1% were 14% of the nation’s income. They paid 25% of all taxes. In 2000, they paid 37%. In 2005, they paid 39%; and 2006, 40%.” So since 1990, the rich, top 1%, richest 1% have paid from 25% in 1990 to 40% in 2006 of all income taxes. The richest 5% in 1990 paid 44%. In 2000, they paid 56%; in 2005, paid 60%. The top 10% now pay 71%. But the big number is the top 50% are paying 97.1% of all taxes.” “Democrats and Obama continue to say that these tax cuts have been a giveaway to the rich and it’s a figment of their imagination. Taxes paid by millionaire households more than doubled to $274 billion in 2006, from $136 billion in 2003.” What happened in 2003? We rolled back the Clinton tax increases! “No president has ever plied more money from the rich than George W. Bush did with his 2003 tax cuts. These tax payments from the rich explain the very rapid reduction in the budget deficit to 1.9% of GDP in 2006 when it was 3.5% in 2003.”

Posted by: Lulu Jones | October 22, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

One more (and final) Obama connection for those interested in pursuing this, now FINALLY in the major news (has been on Fox News for 6 months)…
Appears this is where some of our tax dollars has been going!
Acorn and the Obama connection!
http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html
Again, Obama will say or do anything to get elected. Even “fix” the election. We will be hearing much more about this soon…

Posted by: Mary | October 22, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

“It’s called taking back what has been rightfully stolen over the past 8 years.
Tell us what was rightfully stolen from you and by whom. Thanks.

Posted by: Sigmonde | October 22, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

There are currently only 117 million income taxpayers, but Obama is going to be “cutting taxes for 150 million Americans”.
Obama’s didn’t change this a bit.
33 million people will still get an Obama income redistribution check to “spread the wealth around.”
The government forcibly taking money from one group and giving it to another group is socialism.

Posted by: COnative1966 | October 22, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

Hey, SoWhat, do you have trouble reading? Here it is, from the McCain camp YET AGAIN:
“…instead PURCHASE HOME LOANS…”
Know what happens when you purchase a home loan? You own the title. Know what that means? McCain just bought your home loan for 30 pieces of silver.
Now, the US Government owns your home, your land, your property. That is John McCain’s wizard-plan to solve the crisis. To take people’s homes away from them and let the government boot them!
Rail against the Supreme Court all you want, all it is is more distraction, which is what the right-wing is good at.
Answer this question: under McCain’s plan, if he buys your loan, then own owns the title to that property? Who can take it away?

Posted by: To SoWhat | October 22, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

You anti-obmama, Red State, bible thumping, gun tooting low lifes make me sick.
YOu all are here claiming he changed his plan, wow…….you all need to look in a mirror and ask yourself are you this dense.
He said all working americans…..actually corrected himself in the first debate.
But lets say you dont believe me, that he didnt.
What you are basically saying is you want a person who wont take feedback and make changes to their plans? That you want a person who wont adapt? So if congress vetos a presidents proposal, you want a guy who wont modify it so it will get passed?
You are all idiots! No wonder you vote for a guy like McCain who originally was against the Bush tax cuts for the Rich, He said they would hurt the middle class, and all Obama is doing is moving the tax rates back to Clinon times, when all the economy was doingwas making profits for the government to pay off the debt.
You republicans are a sickening group. Either you are ultra rich, have some fantasy that you will be ultra rich or you are a racist or you are clinging to your bibles and guns in some foolish belief that abortion will be overturned by the republicans, or god forbid you cant have a hand held nuke device to go hunting with!
WAKE UP PEOPLE……..WE ARE AT THE POINT WHERE THE DEATH OF THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS ABOUT TO COME. PARTIES DIE, AND WHEN YOU GET CRUSHED IN 10 DAYS, IT WILL ALL TRICKLE DOWN…….THE WEALTH AND HTE CONTROL OF THE ULTRA RICH OVER YOU RED STATE SHEEP!

Posted by: Libby | October 22, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

You can put lipstick on this pig.
But it’s still Socialist.

Posted by: Senator Government/Joe Six-Term in 2008 | October 22, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Not saying Bush was good, but I remember getting rebate checks in the mail as I am sure most people did. Maybe the problem is the people that keep spending, charging and borrowing. Eventually somethings going to break.

Posted by: Allen | October 22, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Yes, someone did pay. My tax dollars paid for my health care treatment. And when I’ve been out of work, I still had health care without an additional dime from my pocket.

Posted by: To Sigmonde | October 22, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

LMAO! “Sowhat” you’re joking right? Our economy is already on the brink of collapse. Bush is the President RIGHT NOW!!! Where is the accountability for Republican failed policy and leadership?! Trickle down economics my a$$ If you want to blame Obama for the economy, at least wait til he gets in office.

Posted by: SD Patriot | October 22, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

It is imperative that those that have share (willingly or not) with those that don’t. Otherwise, who are we to say what is enough? Who are we to say that one man can have everything that he wants while another doesn’t? It’s not fair.

Posted by: James Taggart | October 22, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Here’s the real Obama plan: anyone making over $50,000 will get a tax increase. The “change” in the plan will be announced in February after the inauguration, just like Clinton did in 1993 (he promised middle class tax cuts too, then announced an increase on everyone making over $30,000). Obama will blame the banking crisis, the war in Iraq, the Bush administration. There will be outrage (as there was in 1993), and the silver lining to this is that Republicans will take over Congress in 2011 (as they did in 1995). I’m amazed that anyone believes that the most socialist President since FDR will actually cut their taxes, especially when the Dems control Congress. There’s a sucker born every minute…

Posted by: jtinca | October 22, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

He just lost my vote

Posted by: Roy | October 22, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

looks like obama’s tax plan is sputtering
Joe the plumbe is the “Dukakis in the tank” moment
Pennsyl governor is asking Obama to come back and campaign because he knows his state will go red.
Joe the plumber and Joe Biden the “they will attack us” idiot just cost him the election
just ask Presidents Kerry and Gore about those favorable polls
pride goes before the fall

Posted by: tom | October 22, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

The scary part is that when pressed regarding that 40% of Americans pay NO income tax, Obama said that it would be a tax credit, based on their social security taxes.
So seniors, that means money that WAS intended for social security is now going out the window.
What does that mean. You decide.

Posted by: Glubber | October 22, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

That’s what the standard deduction is supposed to be … for people who do not itimize.
Obama will say anything that he thinks will get him elected.

Posted by: JohnInKansas | October 22, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Do you mean to tell me that all of the retired, out of work, stay at home parents, and other none workers who already voted in early voting thinking they were getting a check are not getting a check. Tell me it’s not so.

Posted by: help | October 22, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

“Bush is the President RIGHT NOW!!! Where is the accountability for Republican failed policy and leadership?! ”
You weren’t whining about the economy two years ago or before the Democrats took over congress, were you?. Bush policies didn’t cause the economic crisis. The Democrat congress did with their malfeasance with Freddie/Fannie. The blame lies with the Democrats.

Posted by: Sigmonde | October 22, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

A number of posts here are telling us that Alaska is #1 in the amount of federal taxes received and implies that Alaska is some sort of welfare state. That is wrong and misleading on 2 counts. First, Washington D.C. is the largest recipient of tax funds, compared to taxes paid. Washington D.C. receives $6.64 for every $1 paid. New Mexico is 2nd with $2.00 received and Alaska is 3rd with $1.87.
And the Federal Government owns 65% of Alaska, an area about the size of California and Texas combined. I would hope that the government would spend something on that much property. It is not a handout to Alaskans, most goes to maintenance of “our” (All US citizens) property.

Posted by: Eric | October 22, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

BUSH giving the top 2% a tax break was “income redistribution” too! Whats the difference?! Obama is taking away their tax break and giving to 95% of the rest of us. I’d rather the middle class benefit from a tax cut than the ultra-rich. If the middle has more money to spend, that in itself will stimulate the economy and drive business profits. While their tax rates increase, businesses will in the end become more profitable. Its a win-win

Posted by: SD Patriot | October 22, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

jUST AS “A ROSE BY ANY OTHER NAME IS STILL A ROSE”, IT FOLLOWS THAT “WELFARE” BY ANY OTHER NAME …. IS STILL “WELFARE”.

Posted by: OrlandoRican | October 22, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

For the first time in my life I realize how dangerous abc/ nbc/ cbs/ cnn really is. They are like North Korea news outlet. They are trying to elect the most radical person ever. Why not put the truth out about:• Obama will be a radical on the abortion issue as signaled by his blocking of emergency medical aid for babies who survive abortion; • Obama’s anti-war, anti-nuclear foreign policy. • Obama’s extensive connections with Islam and radical politics. etc. The only place we can get true news is FOX

Posted by: Al | October 22, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

This isn’t about the 2% who aren’t working. It’s about the 30% WHO DON’T PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAXES but will get the wealth transfer from people who do pay taxes and will pay more. Just because you work, doesn’t mean you actually pay income taxes to the Feds. Obama’s plan is not a tax refund or tax cut, because you can’t refund money or cut taxes for people who don’t pay them in the first place.
Per the IRS, 132 million returns were filed in 2004 (most recent info available). 43 million owed no taxes (32.5%). Those people will get money from other tax payers under Obama’s plan. That is Socialism and wealth redistribution. No question.

Posted by: jerhad | October 22, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Did you ever get a job from a poor person?

Posted by: John F. Salemme | October 22, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

BUSH giving the top 2% a tax break was “income redistribution” too! Whats the difference?!
How does across-the-board tax cuts redistribute wealth? You should think before making such ridiculous comments.

Posted by: Sigmonde | October 22, 2008, 12:43 pm 12:43 pm

Since Obama plans to raise taxes on business, in general, who do you think the businesses will pass the increased cost to? That’s right, you.
If you work in the private sector and your employer suddenly has less money to work with because of higher taxes, what do you suppose will be left for you? Less.
Vote Democrat! Vote for high taxes! Kill freedom! Kill the economy! Hooray!
Democrats, like Libby, are the only reason there is to vote Republican.

Posted by: SunnyvaleKen | October 22, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

So why is “trickle down” economics so appealing to the conservative segment when we can all clearly see (and feel in our wallets) that the rich keep their wealth for themselves and those like them. They don’t freaking care about dribbling it down to us Po’ folks — never did; never will! Why would giving an under-employed person $1000 be so offensive to you conservatives, when it’s perfectly peachy with you all to let the New Robber Baron CEOs walk away with TENS OF MILLIONS $$ of ill-gotten gains in their golden parachutes? Do you think that public works programs and community programs that pay people a stipend AND improves the lives of others is “welfare?” Sounds more like putting people to work in service to American and giving them a stake in the outcome again, after a LOOONG, LOOONG dry period that the Repugnants foisted on us!
“This One” is voting for “That One”
Obama All The Way ’08

Posted by: Sorcha | October 22, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

They’ll add a work requirement?!?!?!
Welcome to the USSR – All hail Czar Obama! They are talking about Forced Labor. It’s just one more step into the abyss of Socialism. And if I say I don’t want to dig ditches, they’ll withhold the check.
Nice to know my 20yrs in the military fighting this kind of philosophy will be flushed away in a minute if the socialist left takes over.

Posted by: John | October 22, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

I think we need to go with the lesser of the two evils. This means electing Obama the next President. Politicians will be politicians, but remember, we have tried George Bush’s way for 8 years and we keep digging ourselves further and further into a hole. McCain is just an older version of George Bush, with even older, and more backward ideas than George Bush. Pull the lever, push the button, punch the card, or write in your vote for Obama.

Posted by: rob | October 22, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

If he changes his policies this easily before the election, how much is this all going to change after the election?
He will say anything to win. Anything. This isn’t Moot Court in law school; this is the Presidency of the United States of America.

Posted by: Gary | October 22, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

It seems like he is always tweaking parts of his plan to get votes. I wish the American Public would see that this man or should I say his “campaign advisors” will do anything for votes. They have no backbone on any issue. Obama “is what he is” and a lot of the folks are going to be in for a rude awakening when he becomes President.
Him and Biden say they are against gay marriage in a national debate, but when it comes to going on Ellen or sending letters to gay rights groups they give there real intentions.
America has been sold a bill of goods, and the country is going to suffer because of this. If change means more government control we have problems.

Posted by: CraigF | October 22, 2008, 12:47 pm 12:47 pm

I don’t see people standing in soup lines in greater numbers than say 5 years ago. And yet the mainstream media has managed to turn a large part of the population into a group ready and willing to give up their freedoms for the security of socialism or perhaps even communism. I fear that Americans will get exactly what they deserve and will deserve it for buying into class warfare and envy.

Posted by: Kathy | October 22, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

People who got 2/28 ARMs with no money down are NOT “homeowers”. They owe a bank or mortgage company, or whoever bought their mortgage, 100% of the value of their house when they “bought” it.
Only Obamatons, the legacy media and Dem would call a person who “owns” zero percent of his “property” an owner.

Posted by: Anna Keppa | October 22, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Ummmm, John, there were no Czars in the USSR.
Didn’t you get an education?

Posted by: to John | October 22, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

I think the people who call the republicans racist and attach us to KKK need to get a history lesson. News flash, KKK was started by the DEMOCRATIC party.
And what party has a would be congressman that was head of the KKK – David Duke – um… that would again be the DEMOCRATS. It just amazes me how quickly the democrats will shout racism when they have nothing more intelligent to say.

Posted by: DebDel | October 22, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

You are so blind. Obama statement about clinging to religion and guns was the communist idea. Can’t you see the Socialism in Obama? Is it you think that wealth redistribution is not dangerous? Obama is nothing more then a pawn in the hands of radical bastards.

Posted by: SD Patriot / reply | October 22, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

how is the income tax constitutional anyway? I thought what I earn is my property. why should the gov’t have a hand in my pocket. If they want to tax my spending, thats fine. we need to reign in all gov’t spendin before they even think about changing the tax code again. a budget is a budget. you can only spend what you can rely on. but if youre the gov’t you can keep spending, even though the money isnt their??? explain how the gov’t is fair about anything. we all are equal, just not financially. I dont begrudge anyone who makes as much as they can. I do bagrudge the fact that the gov’t lives by another standard than its people. we learn from example, the gov’t is our example and outrageous spending is what it does. hence why most people try to live above their means.

Posted by: will it end | October 22, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

With all of this talk about Obama’s or McCain’s tax plans, or Bush’s “Tax cut for the rich” people should understand that the Constitution is clear on this point-”All bills for raising revenue shall originate in the House of Representatatives.” The President can not even have a tax plan-unless it is picked up and initiated by someone in the House. Senator Obama had as much say in tax bills as Senator as he would have as President.
Pelosi’s tax plan, anyone?

Posted by: Eric | October 22, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

“They don’t freaking care about dribbling it down to us Po’ folks — never did; never will!’”
Save your sob story for your friends. If you don’t take advantage of the opportunities abundantly available to you in this country, it is your own fault that you are “po”. Truly poor people can’t afford to have internet service and are out looking for work. Quit whining.

Posted by: Sigmonde | October 22, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Jeez, this BOY keeps flip- floping so much my head is spinning. This is still socialism. You’re giving my hard earned money to some worthless lowlife that dosen’t want to work. If that makes me a racist well that’s to fricking bad.

Posted by: Joe F | October 22, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

I wonder at the level of trust people put in Obama that his tax plan will remain aimed at only those earning above $250,000.
Also, he refuses to see that lower taxes brings in more revenue, but he doesn’t care…it’s not “fair” if some are richer than others.
I think charges that he is *now* a socialist might be overstated. However, his plan is certainly at least a move toward a more European model, which although a hybrid of capitalism and socialism, is almost always referred to as “socialist.”
Also, there is no doubt that he used to be more a socialist than a democrat…his mentor was Wright, who supported high levels of redistribution. He was a member of “The New Party” which clearly had socialist leanings. Obama has successfully altered his image and shifted his policies to the center in order to win. He has been hiding his life long commitment to “social and economic justice,” which is “code” for straight up socialism, just clothed in a more palatable term. Who argues with justice?
However, to me he will win on his identity and charisma. He represents, under that surface, the beginning of the return of more leftist policies. My fear is that his plans will change, just as Clinton’s did one month after election. Also, consider the “big things” that he might have in store for the next term…leftists and “progressives” are never satisfied in their quest for “social and economic justice.”
McCain is not perfect and has missed a lot of opportunities to attack Obama on the issues, although it seems that no matter what you say about Obama, nobody wants to listen, because they like his personality and what they *feel* he represents. Example…connections to Fannie and Freddie…misplaced blame on “deregulation…” that even SNL mocked.
However, I am most afraid that people are taking Obama at his word when he lays out his plans. I simply don’t trust his word.

Posted by: Wade | October 22, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

Obama’s involvement with The NEW PARTY is scary.
Why has our media not reported this?
We are no longer going to be a country with freedom and liberty.
ABC, you are to blame!

Posted by: Aldinsgirl | October 22, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not.
Thomas Jefferson

Posted by: jtinca | October 22, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Obama can dress it up all he wants. His proposals still constitute WELFARE!

Posted by: Terry | October 22, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

That’s a good start, but Obama still doesn’t require people actually pay taxes to get a “tax cut.”
Obama’s plan still gives “tax cuts” to 33 million Americans who pay ZERO TAXES

Posted by: COnative1966 | October 22, 2008, 12:55 pm 12:55 pm

Police are preparing for riots in the major cities.
Home land security is setting up a Military Command structure to deal with US “Internal Problems”.
Obama Campaign Operatives are spreading propaganda on this blog, as usual.
Obama is scared he can lose this election.
So scared he released the details of his tax plan, as revised, again.
Problem is people are paying attention and actually reading it now.
When politicians who lust to be President start promising a free lunch, we all know it is a lie. When they start promising free breakfast lunch and diner we just smile.
When a majority of voters start believing they will actually get a free breakfast, lunch, and dinner if they just vote for a Messiah, then democracy has failed.
We are headed for a dictatorship. Maybe Obama the Messiah. Maybe the government that replaces him after the economy fails.
Based on this Local TV news report it looks like Obama is going to do anything and everything to make sure he stays in power:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Amazing, isnt it? Obamma-slamma wants to take away form those that have worked had and taken risks to be successful and give it to those who have done neither. The last time I checked, ‘success’ only comes before ‘work’ in the dictionary!

Posted by: Chuck | October 22, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

Its not ridiculous! Bush’s cuts were not an across the board tax cut. Bush engaged in wealth redistribution because he gave the rich a tax break they weren’t entitled to before. This money under Clinton was going into the system for infrastructure etc. Bush lowered the tax rate for the rich while leaving the tax rate for the middle class the same. An across the board cut would have been a tax cut for EVERYONE. Thus, he redistributed the wealth in this country. Maybe you should think first before posting such ridiculous comments.

Posted by: SD Patriot | October 22, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

Let’s be clear, what ObamACORN is proposing is a disaster.
For those Americans who do not pay income tax (over 40%) but still pay taxes (payroll tax), the so-called “tax credit” comes out of Social Security.
Now, no one thinks Social Security is on firm ground funding wise. Paying “tax credit” out of Social Security will only bankrupt the Social Security fund for future generations.

Posted by: Captain America | October 22, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

My last post shudda read ‘worked hard’ not ‘had’ but if Obama wins, I for one will certainly feel that I have been HAD.

Posted by: Chuck | October 22, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.

Posted by: Bob | October 22, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

New World Order people!!! Look it up listen to Obamas speech in Germany. People need to stop arguing over this stupid nonsense and worry about the real issue!!!!! Neither one of these idiots will do what they say. Try you tubbing New World Order Obama and see what you get. President of the US or the world??? Scary times people we should be uniting instead of fighting about either one of these 2. Were all Americans last time I checked. Its a shame we dont act like it. Take responsibilty for our actions and not try to blame others. I even laugh at this though seeing what Americans have become. We are greedy, lazy and expect other people to solve everything for us. Look where that has gotten us

Posted by: Allen | October 22, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

SD…have u done your homework? Are u alert? Do u have any clue as to who pays the majority of the US Tax bill? Do you have any idea as to how it feels to HAVE to give more money to take care of ‘hand-out’ projects run by an innept Gov’t? I do. Billy boy did it to me once and if the empty suit gets in, he will do it to me again. Go John Go.

Posted by: Chuck | October 22, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

The left keeps talking about Bush’s tax breaks for the “wealthy”. However, I have never heard any of these lefties explain what specific (tax) breaks the “wealthty” receive or are entitled to that the rest of do not. Please if you idiots on the left are going to whine about “tax cuts/breaks for the wealthy” at least have the courage to point out some of them. But of course you can not because they do not exist!!!!

Posted by: Terry | October 22, 2008, 1:02 pm 1:02 pm

Nothing like conservative fiscal responsibility hahaha LMAO!!!!
RNC shells out $150K for Palin fashion
The Republican National Committee has spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
The cash expenditures immediately raised questions among campaign finance experts about their legality under the Federal Election Commission’s long-standing advisory opinions on using campaign cash to purchase items for personal use.
Politico asked the McCain campaign for comment, explicitly noting the $150,000 in expenses for department store shopping and makeup consultation that were incurred immediately after Palin’s announcement. Pre-September reports do not include similar costs.
Spokeswoman Maria Comella declined to answer specific questions about the expenditures, including whether it was necessary to spend that much and whether it amounted to one early investment in Palin or if shopping for the vice presidential nominee was ongoing.
“The campaign does not comment on strategic decisions regarding how financial resources available to the campaign are spent,” she said.
But hours after the story was posted on Politico’s website and legal issues were raised, the campaign issued a new statement.
“With all of the important issues facing the country right now, it’s remarkable that we’re spending time talking about pantsuits and blouses,” said spokeswoman Tracey Schmitt. “It was always the intent that the clothing go to a charitable purpose after the campaign.”
The business of primping and dressing on the campaign trail has become fraught with political risk in recent years as voters increasingly see an elite Washington out of touch with their values and lifestyles.
In 2000, Democrat Al Gore took heat for changing his clothing hues. And in 2006, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was ribbed for two hair styling sessions that cost about $3,000.
Then, there was Democrat John Edwards’ $400 hair cuts in 2007 and Republican McCain’s $520 black leather Ferragamo shoes this year.
A review of similar records for the campaign of Democrat Barack Obama and the Democratic National Committee turned up no similar spending.
But all the spending by other candidates pales in comparison to the GOP outlay for the Alaska governor whose expensive, designer outfits have been the topic of fashion pages and magazines.
What hasn’t been apparent is where the clothes came from – her closet back in Wasilla or from the campaign coffers in Washington.
The answer can be found inside the RNC’s September monthly financial disclosure report under “itemized coordinated expenditures.”
It’s a report that typically records expenses for direct mail, telephone calls and advertising. Those expenses do show up, but the report also has a new category of spending: “campaign accessories.”
September payments were also made to Barney’s New York ($789.72) and Bloomingdale’s New York ($5,102.71).
Macy’s in Minneapolis, another store fortunate enough to be situated in the Twin Cities that hosted last summer’s Republican National Convention, received three separate payments totaling $9,447.71.
The entries also show a few purchases at Pacifier, a top notch baby store, and Steiniauf & Stroller Inc., suggesting $295 was spent to accommodate the littlest Palin to join the campaign trail.
An additional $4,902.45 was spent in early September at Atelier, a high-class shopping destination for men.

Posted by: SD Patriot | October 22, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

They’ll start hitting Christianity next even harder than they do now. Can’t have the populace being more loyal to God than to the state. By the way, the way to take control of a country, according to the communist handbook, is from within starting with control of the press. Hmmmm

Posted by: Kathy | October 22, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

“It is imperative that those that have share (willingly or not) with those that don’t. Otherwise, who are we to say what is enough? Who are we to say that one man can have everything that he wants while another doesn’t? It’s not fair.”
Posted by: James Taggart | Oct 22, 2008 12:34:56 PM
So this is what Obamabots really want, to take your money at gunpoint, if necessary. Obama says that even if lowering taxes (capital gains) produces more revenue for the govt.. he won’t support it because it isn’t FAIR! Whenever a liberal starts using the word “FAIR”, bend over and grab your ankles. You know what’s coming next.

Posted by: ricardo maxwell | October 22, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

THE HONORABLE JAMES DAVID MANNING, PhD– TALKS about Barack Hussein Obama and how the “Great Society” has kept the black people in perpetual poverty and destroyed the black family infrastructure through the LBJ welfare programs.
If Barack Hussein Obama is elected president, the Americans who have been CREATING JOBS in America will take their American companies, JOBS, investments and cash OFFSHORE, lest they become impoverished under the socialist leadership of a president Barack Hussein Obama.
http://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.htmlhttp://www.atlah.org/broadcast/ndnr10-17-08.htmlAAA

Posted by: FromTheTop | October 22, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Lets call the Rep’s what they are. A bunch of CROCKS. How much money is in your 401k now? How much are you paying for gas? How much will you pay to heat your home this winter? How much are you paying for the wasted war in Iraq?
CROCKS. Bush is the cause of all listed above.

Posted by: Joesnopy | October 22, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

Libby, you really are a moron. Yea, he wants to go back to the Clinton tax code. If you remember, Clinton said he would only raise taxes on the rich, then when he was elected, raised taxes on everyone making 35,000 and over. Do you really believe Obama will only raise taxes on those making 250,000 and above, when he has voted in favor of raising taxes on those making 42,000 and above. Look at his record and not the lies he is spewing to garner a vote. I know that requires a little thought and research on your part, but the Dems are confident you will not put for the effort.

Posted by: John | October 22, 2008, 1:06 pm 1:06 pm

George W. Bush and Bill Clinton have established for all future Presidents the right to request all Federal Prosecutors to resign when they are elected.
Obama, as President, has the power to replace every Federal Prosecutor with his loyal followers when elected.
What would he use those loyal followers to do once elected?
Maybe this local TV news cast gives us a clue.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

Obama can say whatever he wants- its pure fiction anyway. He has no record, so no way to contradict his words & actions.

Posted by: lefty | October 22, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

I don’t think anyone would argue that ‘the rich get richer’ and that ‘it takes money to make money’. for every warren b or bill g how many are in poverty? the money goes up, a wealth graph is an exponentially tall and wide pyramid. redistribution is a natural step in the cycle just as capitalism. doesnt anyone remember “the man” anymore? you buy your car from him to get to work for him so you can rent your house from him so you can have a place to put the food that you bought from him to keep healthy so you can work harder for him because if you get sick or hurt he will replace you and you will be out on the street.
Doesnt anyone remember that guy? or have you all been sold the dream?

Posted by: murphy | October 22, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND THINKS THAT THE ‘TAX POLICY CENTER’ IS NON-PARTISAN?????? THEY WERE STARTED BY THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION (LIBERAL) AND THE URBAN INSTITUTE (LIBERAL).
WE’RE SUPPOSED TO SUSPEND RATIONAL THOUGHT SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY DON’T FLY OBAMA FLAGS ON THEIR CARS???
WHAT KIND OF POLITICAL BULLCRAP IS THIS?? ABC IS USING LIBERAL TAX HIKING THINK TANKS TO JUSTIFY THEIR OWN TAX HIKING CANDIDATE?? GEE, ONLY SEEMS SUSPICIOUS IF YOU AREN’T A TAX HIKING NEWS CONSUMER.
SO COUNT ME IN!! (and yes, I’m shouting for a reason.)

Posted by: bpjam | October 22, 2008, 1:08 pm 1:08 pm

Roxanne: I’ve sifted through all the crap posted by mental midgets on both sides. You seem to be someone who can be salvaged from the garbage.
You wrote: “… We have the largest amount of poor people in the world living in conditions that make the poorest 3rd world country look good.”
Truth: The very poorest homeless person in this country is wealthier than the majority of the population in all the 3rd world nations combined.
You wrote: “…The rich have a moral obligation to help those poorer than them.”
Truth: We all have a moral obligation to help others. But I don’t think you want “government” to dictate who must help or who needs help. If you have two shirts you should give one away. Mother Teresa is probably the only person in the last 2000 years who lived that idea. What have you done for the less fortunate?
You wrote: “…Due to the horrible economy that Bush, Cheney and the other racist Republicans created I have been unable to find work. This is not my fault.”
Truth: Every event in your life and every decision you made have combined to put you where you are. Not Bush, not Cheney, not Clinton, not George Washington, or anyone else. Just you. Obama will not be able to help you as long as you believe “this is not my fault.” I guarantee that every paper in your city has jobs that you can do. You might need to move to an area that offers more. Maybe you need to sneak across the border and work in Mexico. Oh wait – they come the other way.
You wrote: “…racist Republicans.”
Truth: Really? Sounds like you might not want to throw rocks in the glass house in which you live.
You wrote: “…Hopefully the democrats will recover all the seats and kick the republicans where they belong. I hope they create a constitutional ammendment outlawing the Republican Party. Most true Americans agree with me. Down with the racist deplorable Republicans.”
Truth: You already had a leader who thinks like you. Joseph Stalin or Adolph Hitler ring a bell?
A little more study and you can be salvaged. There’s hope. Give it a try.

Posted by: Stoney | October 22, 2008, 1:09 pm 1:09 pm

weak = Flipflop

Posted by: StLouisMan | October 22, 2008, 1:10 pm 1:10 pm

obama is a socialist and racist. obama wants wealth, but wants to use your wealth, no matter how small, to give to acorn and others to build a political coalition.

Posted by: bill clintoon | October 22, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

since when did character assasination begin in politics? republicans are rich racists/ democrats are anti-american.

Posted by: will it end | October 22, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

ah…truth starts to emerge through Obama’s rhetoric…work will be required…only now you won’t work for yourself but you will work for the government…sounds like Socialism to me…sure would like to know what kind of books are on Obama’s library shelf…probably a lot of socialist, Marxist, and Ayer’s literature and black liberation theology….yep, you will work for anything that the government gives you and they will own you…Socialism…take a look at life in Russia and then you will see what is around the corner as a way of life

Posted by: pat | October 22, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

Joe…dunno what a ‘crock’ is, but my 401k is doing fine thank you because I made the decision to get into cash and am now reinvesting…yes I made my own decision. As for gasoline, u gotta be living under a rock (or is that rook) cuz the reason for the hi prices was a rampant global economy with hi demand. Crude is at 67 bux, naphtha at all yearly lows, gasoline falling hard. WAKEUP!

Posted by: Chuck | October 22, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

People like to bash Bush bu I see a congress with a much lower Approval Rating than him. Now we see a Democrat who deserted his church of twenty years where he was driven out for the sake of pursuing power. The man comes across as being humble but a humble man does not pursue power. As said in other Blogs Checks and Balances in our govt will be out the door. Already Due to Political Correctness Blatent Homo Sexuallity runs Rampant in our High Schools and why? Because we continually expose our children to the wrong things in Life. may God Help Us as we are setting ourselves up for a Dictatorship.

Posted by: Steve | October 22, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

Obama Campaign Operatives are working overtime on this blog spreading propoganda.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623
George W. Bush and Bill Clinton have established for all future Presidents the right to request all Federal Prosecutors to resign when they are elected.
Obama, as President, has the power to replace every Federal Prosecutor with his loyal followers when elected.
What would he use those loyal followers to do once elected?
Maybe this local TV news cast gives us a clue.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623
Ignore the propoganda. Look at this local news cast and read the actual details released in the tax plan for yourself.
Do you believe Obama will give you free lunches, diners and breakfasts?
Or do you believe he will give you more of what is in this Local TV News cast?
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

I WORK FOR A SMALL BUSINESS. GUESS WHAT AMERICA? IF BARRY MAKES IT INTO THE WHITE HOUSE 1 OF THE 10 EMPLOYEES WILL HAVE TO BE LET GO TO PAY FOR THE NEW SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND TAX. BARRY HAS TO SAY ANYTHING TO GET WHERE HE WANTS TO GO. LOOK UP AND DOWN YOUR MAIN STREETS IN AMERICA AND WHAT DO YOU SEE??? SMALL BUSINESS WANTING TO BETTER THEMSELVES,THEIR EMPLOYEES AND THEIR COMMUNITIES–DENTIST,EYE DOCTORS,PIZZA OWNERS,ELECTRICAL CONTRACTORS,LUMBER YARDS,CAR DEALERS,FLORISTS,PAINTERS,HOME BUILDERS,RESTAURANTS JUST TO NAME A FEW. IF YOU NOTICED I DIDN’T MENTION THE MALL JUST DOWNTOWN USA. TO TELL ALL OF THESE AMERICANS WHO HAVE WORKED HARD FOR THE AMERICAN DREAM BARRY NOW WANTS TO TAKE AWAY THE HIRING OF MORE EMPLOYEES TO LAYING OFF EMPLOYEES JUST TO MAKE IT SOUND GOOD TO A PERSON WHO’S NOT AT THE 250,000 MARK YET.I CHALLEGE EVERYONE WHO WORKS FOR A SMALL BUSINESS TO ASK IF THEY WILL BE HIRING OR FIRING THIS NEXT YEAR IF barry is in? LOVE MY JOB, D.JEAN

Posted by: D.JEAN | October 22, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

NObama will SAY & DO anything!

Posted by: David | October 22, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm

Silly Democrats. Welfare is only for Wall Street, oil companies and other GOP donors. Bush just signed the mother of all welfare checks to McCain’s banking buddies.
Isn’t it fun watching the GOP implode under its own bigotry.
God bless America!

Posted by: Nigel | October 22, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm

Mikah said:
“Questions:
Would you support a candidate who distributes money set aside for education to organizations that have little to do with education rather than to programs that show that they have helped students improve their math and science scores?
Would you support a guy that will increase taxes on elderly retired citizens.
Would you support a guy who has proven to have incorrect judgment on recent foreign policy issues?
Would you support a guy who has spent millions, yet there was no increase in the standard of living or improvement in the crime rate?
Would you support a guy who through his tax plan that may keep you from getting a raise and possibly getting you laid off?
Would you support a guy who financially supports those who support terrorism and racism?”
Heck no I’m not voting for McCain!

Posted by: Independent Fighter | October 22, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Hey – how about those Philadelphia Phillies!!
Sorry – just trying to break up the monotony.

Posted by: WayneE | October 22, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

How can Obama lose? He has almost all the media on side, ACORN and the other voting fraud organizations, and an endless supply of money (much of which, the donors are not identified). Obama promises everything to everyone and even misguided Christians will follow him. His stances on partial-birth abortion and the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act prove that he is no Christian. The American people are blind, ignorant and hearing what they want to hear. Be careful of what you ask for you…you may get it. God help us all!

Posted by: Spooky | October 22, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

One last…if the empty suit does indeed win, his acceptance speech shud beging with ‘ My most sincere thanx to ABC,CBS,NBC and The Communist News network. You have finally elected your first president’ Now with that thought, I think i will vomit, get back to WORK, and ‘hope’ that when the voting curtains close, that enuff people will WAKE UP!

Posted by: Chuck | October 22, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm

Beware Obama Campaign operatives are working to spread propoganda on this blog !!!!
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623
Police are preparing for riots in the major cities.
Home land security is setting up a Military Command structure to deal with US “Internal Problems”.
Obama Campaign Operatives are spreading propaganda on this blog, as usual.
Obama is scared he can lose this election.
So scared he released the details of his tax plan, as revised, again.
Problem is people are paying attention and actually reading it now.
When politicians who lust to be President start promising a free lunch, we all know it is a lie. When they start promising free breakfast lunch and diner we just smile.
When a majority of voters start believing they will actually get a free breakfast, lunch, and dinner if they just vote for a Messiah, then democracy has failed.
We are headed for a dictatorship. Maybe Obama the Messiah. Maybe the government that replaces him after the economy fails.
Based on this Local TV news report it looks like Obama is going to do anything and everything to make sure he stays in power:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623
Do not be distracted by the Obama Campaign propaganda. Watch this local TV news report and read the details of his tax plan and make your own decision.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

once again, we see the ugly head of an uneducated population- this is only new deal politics…. a hop, skip and a jump from instigating systems like the NRA (to you idiots who didn’t pay attention in school, the NRA is the National Recovery Administration not the pro gun lobby).
For a Media that once pulled from the best and the brightest, society now looks to reporters who will talk about genocide in Africa within moments of chatting about cooking. Instant gratification is always what the population screams for, but what they need are long term plans.
And I’m tired of everyone wanting to be J. F. Kennedy it only demonstrates the extent of how little was carried over from JFK the man to JFK the martyr– an individual who say the fastest way to improve the economy was stressing the Communist threat, putting 50 cents of every tax dollar into military spending.
The people to blame for this financial crunch are the people…
and for the millionth time, tax refunds are not tax cuts.
turn off your tv and pick up a book.

Posted by: NE | October 22, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

Obama’s Taxes !!!
This is from RIGHTCHANGE.COM, a non-partisan fact-checking organization, separating the wheat from the chaffe in this election.
10 Things You Need to Know About Senator Obama’s Tax Proposals Under the tax plans of Barack Obama and his Democratic friends in Congress, American families will only be left with… the change in their pockets.
In 2009, Barack Obama and the Democratic Congress have an idea for a bill. Well, really, it’s a lot of bills that will be paid for by nearly every American in the form of higher taxes and higher costs for food, energy and other products.
So if you have a retirement account, work in or shop at a small business, are close or in retirement, or even flip on a light switch, then there are a few things that you should consider.
Under that plan:
Small main street businesses would be forced to pay tax rates as high as 62.3% under Senator Obama’s tax proposals.
1) Senator Obama’s tax plan would tax small businesses at a higher rate than large corporations!
2) Taxes on retirement income and savings could increase by at least 33%, hitting millions of seniors when they need these resources the most.
3) 4 million workers over the age of 50 – those eagerly looking forward to retirement – would be hit with increased tax bills.
4) Millions of Americans would only keep 38 cents of every dollar that they earn.
5) Senator Obama’s tax plan would reduce the after tax wages of millions of workers by 17.7%.
6) It will take 227 days per year, nearly 8 months, just to pay your tax bill!
7) 97,065 carpenters, 110,908 police officers, 254,992 nurses, 208,562 post secondary teachers and 237,000 dentists would see tax increases, if the earnings cap was successfully eliminated.
8) 10.3 million workers would see an average of $5,650 taken from their paycheck and given to government programs.
9) Even YOU might be considered “Rich.”
Add to this the 800,000,000 he wants to GIVE to the United Nations for Africa.
Obama: change we CAN’T AFFORD

Posted by: SarahJ | October 22, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

Voters need to think a bit more about Obama’s house-buying deal with Tony Rezko, the
Chicago area political “fixer”. The initial parts of the deal can be explained innocently. Obama
and Rezko bought some Chicago residential property together, with Obama getting the house and Rezko getting the lot next door. Obama paid $1300k for the house part, and Rozko paid $650k for the vacant lot. Fair enough, since even politicians are allowed to get into business deals.
However, after Obama became a member of the US Senate, Rezko sold a 10′ wide strip of his lot to Obama for $104k. On the face of it, this was also OK. One property owner is allowed to sell land to an adjacent owner.
But there is a hitch: According to at least one source, selling that strip of land rendered the remaining portion of Rezko’s vacant lot unbuildable, due to a minimum lot size requirement.
If so, Obama got a guaranteed vacant lot next door in perpetuity and, essentially, the development rights on a $650k lot for the “bargain” price of $104k. Rezko was left with a worthless, unbuildable, partial lot. Obviously, it was not Rezko’s intent to profit from this deal, but rather to use the deal as a mechanism for doing a favor for Obama, thus placing Obama in his debt.
It is wrong for a US Senator to personally enrich himself by accepting such an expensive gift of property while holding public office. Obama has admitted that he was “boneheaded” for getting into this deal. But the word “corrupt” is more accurate.
Obama should disgorge the enrichment he received from Rezko, and he should also pledge that, if elected President, he will not pardon Rezko from his federal racketeering conviction.

Posted by: joeThePlumber | October 22, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

Everytime socialism has been tried it caused misery and the murder of millions of innocents.
Obama is a socialist. We are headed for disaster if he is elected. Millions will suffer because of his well meaning idiocy.
The road to hell is being paved by the democrats and Obama is leading the way.
Start stocking up your survivalist gear the apocolypse is coming…..
I’ve got my fishing pole, a blanket and I live on the beach. Gonna go surfing and watch the world die.

Posted by: reason | October 22, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm

Obama Campaign Operatives are trying to distract everyone on this blog with propaganda.
The Main Stream Media is too lazy, too leftists or ???? to report on this campaign.
Local media tries to tell you the truth if you will listen.
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623
George W. Bush and Bill Clinton have established for all future Presidents the right to request all Federal Prosecutors to resign when they are elected.
Obama, as President, has the power to replace every Federal Prosecutor with his loyal followers when elected.
What would he use those loyal followers to do once elected?
Maybe this local TV news cast gives us a clue.
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623
Ignore the propaganda. Look at this local news cast and read the actual details released in the tax plan for yourself.
Do you believe Obama will give you free lunches, diners and breakfasts?
Or do you believe he will give you more of what is in this Local TV News cast?
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 1:27 pm 1:27 pm

Stanley, I realize it is difficult to wrap your brain around. But, all social security is doing is returning money, the federal government took from me in the first place. That is not socialism. Also, do you remember how the Democrats reacted when President Bush suggested that we needed to privatize our retirement plans and phase out social security. Can you say seizures?

Posted by: Stewart | October 22, 2008, 1:28 pm 1:28 pm

Those of you that work for small businesses should know that many such as yourselves will lose their jobs if Obama gets in. Those of you in college and doing well grade wise need to ask yourselves if you’d be willing to give a grade point or two to a classmate you know that’s not doing too well-those of you that are trust fund babies are clueless.

Posted by: Kathy | October 22, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm

Lets face it. Obama is a big draw because he promises to take from those that have and give it to those that want it.
Its getting near the end of this once great nation. The public has finally realized that they can vote to take form those that have.
Instead of letting others be free, they choose to take from them, simply because they want what they have.
Its sick, its sad, its the end of this once great country.

Posted by: DRJ | October 22, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

Stoney, you have this thing figured out.
Last time we voted for change, we got jimmy Carter. For you young people it was 21% interest and 13% inflation and that old “you’ve got to want less attitude”. Everyone walking around stepping on their lower lips!! You put a FREELOADER like Hussein in charge you’ll get exactly what you deserve and you WON’T like it!!!!! McCain’s not much better, but this is what happens when we let those slimy bas-a-ds run free with our money for long periods of time. They start thinking we WORK for them, instead of them working for US!!!!!!

Posted by: wildbill69 | October 22, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm

Come on folks who wouldn’t vote for Obama?
1. Working families to get immediate relief of 1000 dollars after he takes windfall profits from the Oil Companies.
2. Tax relief for 95 percent of working Americans in the form of 1000 dollar credit x 4 years in office = 5k
3. Bush tax cuts expire in 2010 but only for those in the top 5 or 10 percent so everyone else continues to get that rate plus the credits noted above.
4. He will get the troops out of Iraq successfully and save the money that is being spent there,
5. Health care is a right. So keep what you got or get onboard with national Health care everyone benefits.
6. Fix the economy with more jobs building infrastructure like bridges and roads and duh, LEVEES.
This guy has the solution to all our ills. He is a gift from God, get onboard or just sit back and enjoy the ride. Either way don’t try to screw this opportunity up for America. We need him now. Give him a chance. If all his programs fail, if we have a return of the pain index if unemployment skyrockets and inflation goes out of control, if the world goes into complete war or chaos then hold him accountable but in the mean time give him a chance.

Posted by: Tom | October 22, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

At this point it doesn’t matter what he says, we don’t vote for Marxists.
It’s over, go home.

Posted by: D. Marshall | October 22, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

gobot believes the american dream he will work till his batteries go dead- he will work like a slave without an owner he is not even a valued piece of property entirely replacable (probably by his offspring-till their batteries go dead) gobot believes.

Posted by: murphy | October 22, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

Drudge Report now reports:
AP Polling shows: Tied. Obama going down since Third Debate and McCain going up.
Voters earning less than $50,000 abandoning Obama and moving back to McCain.
This is why Obama re-released his “Revised” tax plan – trends since Third Debate shows he will lose if he does get those voters back.
What else do the Obama Campaign operatives want to keep you from knowing:
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm

Anybody that thinks Obama and his liberal cronies in Congress will really cut their taxes is living in a dream world. Forget about his published tax plan, it isn’t sincere, just another promise delivered by a candidate who’s made many, many such promises. He’s already CLEARLY demonstrated that he cannot be relied upon to stick to his positions. Forget about the campaign rhetoric and look at his voting record and that of his democratic allies in congress. They will raise your taxes as soon as they can concoct some BS excuse as political cover. You are being led down the proverbial garden path, if you’re buying this crap you are a complete tool – Hey, as long as you’re buying crap, I’ve got some real interesting subprime mortage investments for you, email me FOOL.

Posted by: James | October 22, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm

It is welfare to hand money out for no effort. Goolsbee is the same guy who defended sub-prime loans.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/29/business/29scene.html?ei=5090&en=9a15c212b118d691&ex=1332820800&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss&pagewanted=print

Posted by: BigPappa | October 22, 2008, 1:46 pm 1:46 pm

Drudge Report now reports:
AP Polling shows: Tied. Obama going down since Third Debate and McCain going up.
Voters earning less than $50,000 abandoning Obama and moving back to McCain.
This is why Obama re-released his “Revised” tax plan – trends since Third Debate shows he will lose if he does get those voters back.
Read the real news – not the spin of the Main Stream Media in the tank for Obama.
What else do the Obama Campaign operatives want to keep you from knowing:
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 1:47 pm 1:47 pm

if you can keep selling the dream-they will keep working for you. raise min wage 10cents an hour thats almost 5 dollars a week – that should keep em happy. they ought to be able to pick themselves up by the bootstraps now (unless they are just lazy – and want a handout)

Posted by: murphy | October 22, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm

Web Site reporting AP Poll results very slow.
Denial of Servie attack on Web Site by OBAMA Campaign staff???
Maybe, or maybe just many people reading Drudge report and trying to go there.
What else do the Obama Campaign operatives want to keep you from knowing:
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Name one president that has ever kept his work on taxes? Obama’s plans are not plans but dreams.
First of all 95% of people do not pay taxes. About 33% do not have a liability so what is he going to cut? On top of that, there is a percentage of people who do not file. How do you cut from nothing.
With regard to the troops, he is not pulling troops out. It is being negotiated now as a result of the surge he opposed.

Posted by: BigPappa | October 22, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

Doesn’t matter who wins. U.S.A. still loses. Too much national debt, and no responsible actors in Washington to address it.

Posted by: Eric from Missouri | October 22, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

I’m thankful to have already voted. Enjoy the outcome, whomever it will be. They will be the President for the next 4 years!
Have a nice day. :)

Posted by: Cricket | October 22, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Hey you socialist Obama, we don’t want “credits”, we want OUR MONEY back!

Posted by: sigh | October 22, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Drudge Report now reports:
AP Polling shows: Tied. Obama going down since Third Debate and McCain going up.
Voters earning less than $50,000 abandoning Obama and moving back to McCain.
This is why Obama re-released his “Revised” tax plan – trends since Third Debate shows he will lose if he does get those voters back.
Read the real news – not what the Obama Campaign operatives are trying to sell – Not the Main Stream Medias bias spin on the news.
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm

Later that day, Barry “Spread’em” Obama clarified, “I have ALWAYS meant this to be ‘working Americans’! Of course MY defintion of ‘working’ includes those who have to cash their O’government “wealth spreader” checks. You know, going to the mail box, then to the bank, and then to the liquor store every day can be a lot of work! I think they also have the right to free transportation for these tasks. And by the way, ‘Americans’, of course includes those brave and dedicated (and merely undocumented) ‘workers’ from South America, Central America and Sud North America.”

Posted by: Spread 'em | October 22, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm

Obama adds work to his welfare plan? Yes, he’s going to force me to work to support his brother George living in Kenya on less than ONE DOLLAR per month. Obama spent $437,144.00 on food for his campaign. Think of all the children that could have been fed with that money! Why doesn’t Obama share that wealth?

Posted by: WORHSIP OBAMA | October 22, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

Because Obama’s tax credit does not reduce marginal tax rates, it will not benefit the economy. It provides no added incentives for work, savings, investment or business expansion. Instead it gives those that don’t pay federal tax a credit against their FICA which money we all pay for unemployment benefits, social security, Medicaid and Medicare. In essence, making these programs welfare or bribes. If you don’t pay for it, its welfare or a bribe, charity from other people who pay taxes. And you take away the dignity of people who have to rely on these programs in tough times.

Posted by: Sansan | October 22, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm

Will I have to stop working if I don’t want to pay for the OBAMA tax TRAUMA that will be unleashed on the hardest working highest income earners in the USA?

Posted by: Carl S | October 22, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm

Obama will eliminate poverty in America, just like he eliminated poverty in Chicago through his community organizing. What did Obama and his pet dogs at ACORN do for the poor, other than give them cigarettes to commit vote fraud? Obama and ACORN have a long history together, Obama has represented them and worked on the Project Vote voter fraud campaign in the 1990s.

Posted by: Praise the messiah Obama | October 22, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm

Obama Campaign Operatives will have to work over time now – to bring back those people Obama described as “bitter people who turn to religion and guns back no board”.
Drudge Report now reports:
AP Polling shows: Tied. Obama going down since Third Debate and McCain going up.
Voters earning less than $50,000 abandoning Obama and moving back to McCain.
This is why Obama re-released his “Revised” tax plan – trends since Third Debate shows he will lose if he does get those voters back.
Read the real news – not what the Obama Campaign operatives are trying to sell – Not the Main Stream Medias bias spin on the news.
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Understanding socialism:
For those not familiar with hussein’s loony-left welfare plan and his related radical wealth re-distribution plan, here is a summary that even a hussein sycophant might understand (provide somebody reads it to them very, very S-L-O-W-L-Y):
1. hussein will raise taxes (somebody has to pay for this welfare). As plagiarist-joe biden said: RAISING TAXES IS PATRIOTIC.
2. Since most of hussein’s supporters don’t contribute to society, don’t earn meaningful income and therefore don’t pay taxes, hussein plans to re-distribute wealth by giving the tax money paid by hard-working, successful Americans to his supporters via a tax credit. For example, consider those college pukes that support him and primarily live off their parents for drug money (and probably will do so for the rest of their lives). Say they earn a few dollars flipping-burgers, and pay no income taxes. Under hussein’s plan, even these pukes WILL GET A CHECK OF $1000 OR MORE FROM THE IRS.
3. Thus hussein will, in fact, create the biggest welfare system ever in the world. He will penalize those that work hard and are successful, and provide cash payment to those slackers that don’t contribute.
For every hard-working American: be afraid, be very afraid of hussein’s plans to socialize America. Reject this shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, inexperienced, drug-addicted, elitist, narcissistic, flip-flopping gas-bag who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes. Instead, vote for somebody who will reform the Washington mess – instead of making it an even more horrific monster.

Posted by: ALEX H. | October 22, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm

Tom says: “5. Health care is a right. So keep what you got or get onboard with national Health care everyone benefits.”
Ok since it’s a “right”, I’m sure you won’t have trouble finding it in the Constitution. You know, the US version, not the UN or EU version, you silly collectivist.

Posted by: sigh | October 22, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm

Are you Republicans really this stupid? I mean is it all just about what you THINK might happen if Obama is elected? Hell in that case I think McCain MIGHT go Nazi crazy and kill all non Christians in the United States and mandate that anyone who doesn’t go to Catholic church should be imprisoned.
Every one of your arguments are based on not fact, but suggestion and innuendo. He says he will, but he won’t. He is lying, he is a liar….
Honestly, I cannot believe you guys are really this cynical and outright refusing to see the forest between the trees.
Yes, a Democratic Congress has been in control for the last two years and every significant peice of legislation has either been filibustered, or vetoed at the hands of the Republicans, and yet the Republicans continue to place blame elsewhere, as usual there is no accountability in the Republican regime.
This is recently proven by the ACORN theory and bashing of Sen. Obama. Yet, in the last 2 days the only REAL voter fraud cases that resulted in arrests and convictions were commited by YPM, a republican voter registration company that was paid specifically for REPUBLICAN voter registrations. It’s amazing how quickly the ACORN argument dropped to the wayside.
Let’s see, how about Joe the Plumber? Come to find out he lied about his plans to buy a business making over $250,000 AND he is a campaign contributor to McCain, after he presented himself as an independant that was trying to decide whom to vote for….
Shall I continue Republicans? You are a dirty evil bunch that is out to do whatever it takes… Including suspension of Habeus Corpus and Warantless wiretapping. I love the argument that if you aren’t doing anything wrong you shouldn’t care who is listening in… Is that the case with your Sarah Palin VP pick? Why was she trying to block the troopergate investigation? Why did she deny any wrongdoing when she was found to have violated the Alaskan Ethics law?
I can go on and on, at the end of the day… you can call Obama Socialist all you want, Socialism looks out for it’s society….
At this point Republicans only want a police state where a dictator has complete control and answers to no one…. Executive Privledge anyone?

Posted by: JMC | October 22, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

natasha….. You are an Idiot. You think because Bill O’Reily says Obama is a Marxist, that makes it so? Hey, I believe that, when frogs fly. You are showing your typical conservative bias. I would imagine you also beleive anything that rush limburger and his rush wannabe sean handontitty will say too. Gee, add that bit*h ann cunter in too and show just how stupid you really are.

Posted by: GRebel | October 22, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm

!!! Beware the Obama Campaign Operatives are active spreading their propoganda again !!! Example:
sigh wrote:
“Are you ” …. ” really this stupid? …”
Reality Check writes:
Drudge Report now reports:
AP Polling shows: Tied. Obama going down since Third Debate and McCain going up.
Voters earning less than $50,000 abandoning Obama and moving back to McCain.
This is why Obama re-released his “Revised” tax plan – trends since Third Debate shows he will lose if he does get those voters back.
Read the real news – not what the Obama Campaign operatives are trying to sell – Not the Main Stream Medias bias spin on the news.
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

I wonder if when push comes to shove, who are you all voting for!

Posted by: Puppypooh | October 22, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm

sigh.. You are RIGHT ON THE MONEY. A dictatorship is damn close to what the conservative knuckleheads want. Way to go!

Posted by: GRebel | October 22, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

Police are preparing for riots in the major cities.
Home land security is setting up a Military Command structure to deal with US “Internal Problems”.
Drudge Report now reports:
AP Polling shows: Tied. Obama going down since Third Debate and McCain going up.
Voters earning less than $50,000 abandoning Obama and moving back to McCain.
Obama Campaign Operatives are spreading propaganda on this blog, as usual.
Obama is scared he can lose this election.
So scared he released the details of his tax plan, as revised, again.
Problem is people are paying attention and actually reading it now.
When politicians who lust to be President start promising a free lunch, we all know it is a lie. When they start promising free breakfast lunch and diner we just smile.
When a majority of voters start believing they will actually get a free breakfast, lunch, and dinner if they just vote for a Messiah, then democracy has failed.
We may be headed for a dictatorship. Maybe Obama the Messiah. Maybe the government that replaces him after the economy fails.
Based on this Local TV news report it looks like Obama is going to do anything and everything to make sure he stays in power:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 2:25 pm 2:25 pm

Pay little attention to “ACORN” Obama’s “Tax Plan Of The Day” speeches, just standby and their will be another version tomorrow; and, another the following day. You immediately know Obama is lying when he says that he will give 95% of Americans a Federal income tax cut because well more than 40% of Americans no longer pay ANY Federal income taxes. Further, Obama has already voted 4 (four) times to raise taxes on incomes of $42,000 or more. However, in the Philadelphia debate, Obama regurgitated his familiar mantra that he would veto the falsely maligned Bush taxcuts which resuscitated the U.S. economy from the inherited Clinton recession; but, which Obama says “favor only the rich”. That tired old populist ploy of “soak the rich” in spite of the fact that under Bush, the top 50% of taxpayers now pay an astounding 97.1% of all taxes. Obama has said on several occasions that he intends to re-instate the Clinton tax rates. However , a brief review of IRS statistics related to post-Bush tax cut revenues reveals exactly the opposite from Obama’s sermons. Specifically, the share of individual income taxes paid by the bottom 40% of American taxpayers, as a result of expanded child tax credits and earner income tax credits, was reduced from 0% to a -4%; and, took another ten million low income Americans completely off of the tax roles. That is, a very significant four(4) % decrease. On the other end of the scale, the tax burden on the top 20% of income earners, the so-called rich, increased to a full 85% of the total tax burden. For examples on the lower end of the scale, a Single Individual making 30K paid $8400 in taxes under Clinton; under Bush $4500. A married couple making 60K: under Clinton $16,800, under Bush $9000. So Obamaspeak, an economic strategy that left our Nation in a RECESSION on the Clinton’s departure from the White House, would damage the poor more then any other group. In brief, the expiration of the Bush tax cuts would lead to a $2.4 trillion tax increase over the next decade. An economic catastrophe in the making. One can summarize this quite simply by noting that IF Obama’s Marxist philosophies of soaking the rich were valid, Communist societies throughout the world would be exorbitantly wealthy, in lieu of economic basket cases a’ la Castro’s Cuba. The same can be said of his forced plan for Socialized Medicine. A program which is failing miserably in such Nations as Canada and the United Kingdom. Canada, as just one example, is now experiencing a dramatic shortfall in physicians. Further, Obama and the Democrat’s obstinate obstruction of our Nation’s ability to develop our indigenous energy resources; and, related infra-structure, to include the alternatives of nuclear, hydro and the liquefaction of coal, has dramatically retarded our economic growth; and, imposed a huge tax on the American consumer in the form of 4$/gallon gasoline an 5$/gallon diesel; and, if Obama’s energy policies are fully implemented, you can anticipate 10$/gallon gasoline. What else would you expect from an individual who was reared under Marxist dictum! Greg Neubeck

Posted by: Greg Neubeck | October 22, 2008, 2:27 pm 2:27 pm

In the 13 battleground states that require voters to register by party, there are nearly 1.5 million more Democrats than at this time in 2004.
The comparable Republican numbers, by contrast, have FALLEN by 61,000 during that time.
Registered Democrats out
number registered Republicans by more than 3.3 million in these same 13 battleground states, roughly double the edge — 1.8 million — they enjoyed over the GOP four years ago.
CONTRARY TO POPULAR BELIEF, THIS NATION IS NOT 50/50. THERE ARE MORE “LIBERALS” THAN “CONSERVATIVES”.
IT’S TIME WE PUT AN END TO NEO-CON CRONYISM AND FACIST IDEOLOGY.

Posted by: My flag is bigger than yours | October 22, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

I hear alot of nonsense and fear-mongering concerning Obama’s tax plan and the direction he will steer the country, nothing about McCain’s brilliant unknown ‘roadmap’ to stability and financial solvency.
To all the uber-capitalists crying doom over the march of socialism, my question is: what the hell are you all clinging to? The bail-out signaled one thing, and that is the timely demise of American laisse-faire capitalism. It created no true wealth, as we now know. It was all smoke and mirrors.

Posted by: Damien | October 22, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

apparently Obama’s plan is to ultimately have one class, POOR. The government will not stop until we are all dependent on it. we have both political parties to blame. If we keep voting for the lesser of 2 evil’s and not demand that they reign in spending and start working for the people, we deserve what we get. sometimes you have to tell your kids no. we need to tell the government no. Tax only spending and stay out of my earnings (property)

Posted by: will it end | October 22, 2008, 2:33 pm 2:33 pm

The Web Site reporting the AP Poll showing Obama falling in the polls is Not Responding.
Obama Campaign Operatives launching a Denial Of Service attack against it ???
Maybe, or maybe everyone is just trying to link to it from the Drudge Report!!!

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm

GRebel….borish in the least and a totally expected response from someone who can not name one thing the ‘the empty suit” has done in his life to make him qualified for his presumptive roll.
Natasha…sorry that u had to endure that bit of dribble.

Posted by: Chuck | October 22, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm

Hay Bro! Not to worry! He’s just sayin’ that to get into that “White” House (-:so he can paint it a different color:-). Work!?! Kinda’ scary ain’t it! But you can bet your next Welfare Check he’s only talkin’ about other folks, not Democrats.

Posted by: Famural | October 22, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

*** Beware the Obama Campaign operatives are very active on this blog. This blog is still one of the top links on the Drudge report.
What is it the Obama operatives do not want you to see??? Any news not filtered through the Main Stream Media.
Read the real news – not what the Obama Campaign operatives are trying to sell – Not the Main Stream Medias bias spin on the news.
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm

Damian says: “The bail-out signaled one thing, and that is the timely demise of American laisse-faire capitalism. It created no true wealth, as we now know. It was all smoke and mirrors.”
Have you been in a nuclear bunker or something? Perhaps you haven’t heard of how government intervention in the market caused the mess. Even the Washington Post admits this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/19/AR2008101901416.html
“And the problem with the U.S. economy, more than lack of regulation, has been government’s failure to control systemic risks that government itself helped to create. We are not witnessing a crisis of the free market but a crisis of distorted markets.”
Now you can put your Che shirt back in the closet and come back to reality, or continue to believe in the miserable spirit crushing system known as socialism.

Posted by: sigh | October 22, 2008, 2:44 pm 2:44 pm

Be sure to pass this link to all your friends and tell them to do the same. The MSM isn’t reporting anything that might reflect bad on Obama.
We have to spread the truth ourselves!!!
http://www.BarackUnearthed.com
Pass it along~!!!!!
We only have a few days to save our country from ruin and socialism.

Posted by: themidnightrider | October 22, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

An Obama Fanatic speaks:
Damien wrote:
“The bail-out signaled one thing, and that is the timely demise of American laisse-faire capitalism. It created no true wealth, as we now know. It was all smoke and mirrors.”
Reality Check:
If this Obama Fanatic is not and America Hating Marxists, then they do not exists.

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm

*** Beware the Obama Campaign operatives are very active here.
What is it they anyone to see?
Any news not filtered through the Main Stream Media.
Read the real news – not what the Obama Campaign operatives are trying to sell – Not the Main Stream Media’s biased spin on the news.
A Local TV news report from a battle ground state:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

You people obviously are ignorant to the vast benefits that will be conveyed to all Americans by the simple beauty of Obama’s brilliantly conceived “Trickle Up Poverty” economic plan.

Posted by: Dr. Doctor | October 22, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

Sigh,
I will consider the quote from the Post that you brought to my attention. On the other hand, I have actual financial experts on Bloomberg and CNBC telling me that deregulation and lack of government oversight, coupled with corporate greed are to blame. I’ll go with the experts.
Also note that the Post article blames lack of regulation as well; it just pins more of the blame on poor risk management.
Also note that ‘socialist’ nations such as China and Canada are weathering the financial holocaust much better than the good ol’ USA

Posted by: Damien | October 22, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

“We will give a tax credit to 95% of working families.”
WORK REQUIREMENT?
Oh – I get it.
They will FORCE THEM to work for ACORN and Truth Squads to SNITCH on those who might speak against the ONE.
The COMMUNISTS, have come home to ROOST.

Posted by: Texas Tea Party | October 22, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm

Reality Check
If speaking truth and discarding outmoded and/or corrupt philosophies is somehow un-American, re-take your 12th grade history. That is what America was built on. If this makes me un-american, then so be it.

Posted by: Damien | October 22, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm

What does it matter if someone is working? there are plenty of people working now who pay zero federal income taxes. Giving them a “tax credit” is welfare.
“Tax cut” says you,
Obamaspeak says I

Posted by: Its not rocket science | October 22, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

if i gots to work to get my money then i ain’t votin for dat obama.
what da hell is that dam guy think im gonna do

Posted by: Lateasha | October 22, 2008, 3:07 pm 3:07 pm

Alex,
Just like the Republican’s and their “Right to life” is that in the constitution when it comes to abortion?

Posted by: JMC | October 22, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

For an absolute landslide Obama should endorse the Fair Tax. As requirement of support he might require a higher pre-bate, thus providing universal basic income. Even so it would have wide support in order to get rid of the IRS. No IRS in one fell swope does away with ear marks, almost all lobbyists and is the ultimate in supply side economics. It’s a NO BRAINER!!

Posted by: Wade Keller | October 22, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm

Call it what you want: Socialism, Welfare, Marxism, Keynesian economics, its just a bad tax policy.

Posted by: JET | October 22, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm

Posted by: . | October 22, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm

To Damien, You are UnAmerican.
BTW – CHINA is NOT faring better than this country during this Economic crisis.
As the GIANT economic engine that is the US Economy grinds to a halt, China will feel it
Currently, Chinese factory workers live in factory provided housing and when those shut down, all those workers are immediately left homeless.
They RIOT and they BLAME us, then blaming the USA, angry, tired and hungry, they JOIN CHINA’s military for the housing and food.
Could this be that International Crisis that Joe “THE ANEURYSM” Biden was talking about.
It’s happening now.

Posted by: Texas Tea Party | October 22, 2008, 3:19 pm 3:19 pm

Texas tea,
How am I un-american? Better yet, what makes someone pro-american?
Please, define these terms for me.

Posted by: Damien | October 22, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm

You are all going to pay more…a lot more….no matter who is the next President. Unless of course you are on welfare. Then it’s a free ride, just like usual. America has been a socialist country for decades, and is just getting a little more so. Can you name a country that is truly capitalist any more? Try it.

Posted by: DaveyBoy | October 22, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

So there’s a work requirement now… Big Deal! That’s nice, but it’s irrelevant (as are disputes about whether it was always there or not.)
If someone gets a so-called “refund” of taxes they never paid, then it’s income redistribution, plain and simple. You can argue over whether that’s a good thing or not, but you CANNOT argue against the FACTt that taking income from some and giving it to others is a key aspect of socialism.

Posted by: p3orion | October 22, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

When politicians who lust to be President start promising a free lunch, we all know it is a lie. When they start promising free breakfast lunch and diner we just smile.
When a majority of voters start believing they will actually get a free breakfast, lunch, and dinner if they just vote for a Messiah, then democracy has failed.
We may be headed for a dictatorship. Maybe Obama the Messiah. Maybe the government that replaces him after the economy fails.
Based on this Local TV news report it looks like Obama is going to do anything and everything to make sure he stays in power:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 3:27 pm 3:27 pm

Daveyboy,
Good post. Bottom line: the US is bankrupt. Taxes will have to be raised. Cutting income taxes for the middle class is all well and good, but consumption taxes have to be raised. Sales taxes are WAY too low as it stands at this moment.

Posted by: Damien | October 22, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

What? This is positively nutty. Why not have us ALL work for the government and take and redistribute ALL the wealth, Barack? Oh, no, I guess that would be communist wouldn’t it. But we can’t say that. Wake up America, if you liked Bill Ayers you’ll love Barack Obama.

Posted by: Sam L. | October 22, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm

Obama adviser Goulsbee: “So, just so they would absolutely not be able to say that, we decided that for the last two percent we’ll simply add a work requirement.”
So: The only reason they added a work requirement was to keep their opponents from calling their plan welfare, not because they ever intend to implement said work requirement.
Symbolism over substance again. 2008 will mark the year the handout crowd will vote in the dole-givers. But by 2010, they will be starving; because the hard-working, self sufficient people will abandon the government and “cling to their religion and guns.”
Self-centered voting only destroys societies.

Posted by: Heather | October 22, 2008, 3:44 pm 3:44 pm

That’s great, when companies lay off employees because of the higher taxes, those employees will no longer qualify for Obama’s tax “cuts.” Boy, they sure will enjoy their middle class tax cut then.

Posted by: Bp | October 22, 2008, 3:48 pm 3:48 pm

I came to the US in the early 50′s we had a young man running for president he promised change a better life style for everyone redistrubite the wealth health care. The newspapers supported him and was very baised toward him. This man was elected then everyone was the same poor poverty like we never saw and by the time the newspapers figured out what happened it was too late for the goverment owned them and censerd the media
This mans name is Fidel Castro I am too old to move again I hope and prey that America is too smart to let this happen

Posted by: RICK | October 22, 2008, 3:49 pm 3:49 pm

Obama’s spread my wealth plan is socialist at it’s best. It’s the story about the hard working ant and the grass hopper screwing off all his life then taking the ant to courst and getting all the amt’s goods. The judges will be liberals appointed by Barry the socialist. If thet the chage you want thewn take a democrat union teacher who kept you dumb down all those years.

Posted by: WIlly Brown | October 22, 2008, 3:50 pm 3:50 pm

I just can’t wait till this liberal experiment fails and all we hear is how its someone elses fault. Mark my words., within the first six months
this is all we’ll hear about.

Posted by: XRAYeye | October 22, 2008, 3:51 pm 3:51 pm

To get elected, he removes the people who really need it.
That’s OK. He will change it again.

Posted by: Frank | October 22, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm

Obama is definitely a socialist. Just look at his voting record. But what is even more frightening than that is his inexperience. Let’s take a look at the last two democratic presidents Clinton and Carter. Carter was probably the most incompetent president we’ve ever had and Clinton’s presidency will be forever known for having one scandal after another leading to only the second impeachment of a president in the nations history. Both Carter and Clinton had more experience before either one set foot in the White House. What experience does Obama have? FRIGHTENING!!!!

Posted by: David | October 22, 2008, 4:01 pm 4:01 pm

With Obama’s friends he couldn’t even get a job guarding himsself. The FBI would red flag him.

Posted by: USBORN | October 22, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm

I don’t get it; WHO will a measle USD$500.00 save? NO ONE. Not one mortgage, not one child (not in the US anyway), not one family.
Bait and switch at its finest. B. HUSSEIN O. is a bum, a socialist, a liar, and scum; people are simply too freakin’ stupid (Howard Sterns Harlem interviews pointed up the need for mandatory voter dis-enfranchisement) to figure out he’s going to SCREW them up one side and down the other AFTER he gets their precious vote.

Posted by: Frank Morris | October 22, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

On Sunday Biden blurts out that Obama’s election will swiftly bring an international crisis & that Obama’s response will not be perceived as “right.” Now Obama advisor Austan Goolsbee lets the cat out of the bag on Obama’s welfare plan to give handouts to people who do not pay taxes. What next?

Posted by: paulejb | October 22, 2008, 4:13 pm 4:13 pm

Damien says: “I will consider the quote from the Post that you brought to my attention. On the other hand, I have actual financial experts on Bloomberg and CNBC telling me that deregulation and lack of government oversight, coupled with corporate greed are to blame. I’ll go with the experts.”
I’d love to know just what has been “de-regulated” in the financial markets in the last 10 or so years. In truth, they are one of the most heavily regulated markets that have seen more regulation and not less in the recent past.
Looks like the WaPo article has gone behind the password now, so I’ll quote two more money paragraphs below. I’d also be eager for you to name the “experts” you listened to that told you the free market was to blame.
“No subsidy would prove more fateful than the massive federal commitment to residential real estate — from the mortgage interest tax deduction to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to the Federal Reserve’s low interest rates under Mr. Greenspan. Unregulated derivatives known as credit-default swaps did accentuate the boom in mortgage-based investments, by allowing investors to transfer risk rather than setting aside cash reserves. But government helped make mortgages a purportedly sure thing in the first place. Home prices seemed to stand on a solid floor built by Washington.”
“Government support for housing was well-intentioned: Homeownership is a worthy goal. But when government favors a particular economic activity, however validly, it must seek countervailing control to ensure the sustainable use of public resources. This is why banks must meet capital requirements in return for federal deposit insurance. Congress did not apply this sound principle to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac; they were allowed to engage in profitable but increasingly risky activities with an implicit government guarantee. The result was that taxpayers had to assume more than $5 trillion of their obligations. Contrast U.S. experience with that of Canada, where there is no mortgage interest deduction and the law requires insurance on any mortgage over 80 percent of a home’s purchase price. Delinquency rates at Canada’s seven largest banks are near historic lows.”

Posted by: sigh | October 22, 2008, 4:16 pm 4:16 pm

Why not have a flat tax think about it
everyone pays 10% or what ever rate if you make $1000.00 or $50,000,000.00 its the same rate no funny money no refunds no exemptions no exceptions thats fair and we don’t have to fight over it the goverment will take in more money and everyone is happy and get rid of the IRS
the budget will get ballanced and no one will complain because everyone is paying the same rate

Posted by: rick | October 22, 2008, 4:17 pm 4:17 pm

We all know Obama isn’t standing on sound economic ideas anyway. It’s not like he’s going to see the error of his ways, especially given his response on the capital gains tax. We already have the highest rate in the world and he wants to raise it even more. Even when confronted by Charlie Gibson who noted that when you reduce capital gains, it increases government revenue. It’s just basic economics, something that socialists have never grasped and never will.
The positive results of the Bush tax cuts don’t lie either. I can’t wait to be challenged on that fact so I can throw the numbers in someone’s face. If the idiotic GOP had controlled spending, the economy would have been even stronger.

Posted by: sigh | October 22, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

Wow this is huge, Obama just distroyed his base. Tax breaks only for working Familys? He just cut out 50% of his supporters. Thanks Obama

Posted by: John | October 22, 2008, 4:27 pm 4:27 pm

A universal tax credit? What about those of us who worked hard paid off our mortgage and resisted the temptation to upsize to a house we could not afford? Where the hell is my money going to be in this plan? I guess that smart,honest people get screwed agin by the welfare loving liberal democrats.

Posted by: noodleit | October 22, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm

Now all the Acorn thiefs wont get a check from Obama and biden.

Posted by: John | October 22, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm

whoa…
The problem with Obama’s tax plan is not the give away to those not working, it’s the giveaway to those NOT PAYING TAXES.
37% of the working population does not pay federal income tax. Obama is going to give them money back that they did not pay in. What part of welfare handout don’t these folks understand.

Posted by: retrocon | October 22, 2008, 4:34 pm 4:34 pm

RECIPE FOR AN AMERICAN COMMUNIST
Klonsky himself confirms that this is precisely the goal (italics mine):
[S]uccessful social justice education ensures that teachers strike a balance between debating sociopolitical problems that affect children’s lives and teaching them academic basics on which they will be tested. A science teacher can plant an urban garden, allowing students to learn about plant biology, the imbalance in how fresh produce is distributed and how that affects the health of community residents. An English teacher can explore misogyny or materialism in American culture through the lens of hip-hop lyrics. Or as Rico Gutstein, a professor of mathematics education at the University of Illinois, Chicago, suggests, a math teacher can run probability simulations using real data to understand the dynamics behind income inequality or racial profiling. These are “examples of lessons where you can really learn the math basics,” he says, “but the purpose of learning the math actually becomes an entree into, and a deeper understanding of, the political ramifications of the issue.”
~ Mike Klonsky
We share the belief that education is the motor-force of revolution
Teaching invites transformations, it urges revolutions small and large.
~ WIlliam Ayers
While we were at work, providing for our families, these COMMIE educators were out brainwashing our kids for years, right under our noses.
Bring this into the spotlight may be the one bright spot of Obama’s Candidacy.
OBAMA wants a GREAT DEPRESSION to create the TIPPING POINT needed for the final, full push into a socialists nation.
WAKE up!!!!!!!

Posted by: Texas Tea Party | October 22, 2008, 4:40 pm 4:40 pm

Obama said the 60% of the people who only pay 3% of the taxes also pay sales tax, property tax, and social security tax. States collect sales and property taxes. Is Obama trying to take over our state governments also. Social security is already underfunded, so Obama wants to our federal tax and give it back to the 60% to pay for their social security tax.
This is a house of cards that will collapse very fast.

Posted by: lare | October 22, 2008, 4:56 pm 4:56 pm

Look we have to stop this silliness. The problem with the Obama plan is common sense economic stuff…not socialism.
1. Just about everyone works for a rich person or a wealthy company. If we raise taxes greatly on these people they aren’t sudden’y going to make less money and go on with there lives. They are going to raise prices or reduce costs or both. THat means jobs get lost and things cost more. This is never good…and it is particularly bad in an economy like the one we are in right now.
2. The more people we take off of the tax rolls the farther down the path to destruction we go. Having a country where half of the people pay taxes so the other half don’t have to is a bad idea. As soon as we get to a point were a clear majority don’t pay taxes and can dictate the ammount those that do have to pay…people will find better places to live.
3. The threshholds on Small business stuff ($250000) is stupid. Obama’s message is essentially that we will only soak those small businesses that found a niche in the market and became successful. Why would ANY small business ever go over that threshhold now. We have doomed them to smallness. There is now reason to cross the line. Welcome to the small business glass ceiling. in an Obama America we want our small businesses to stay small.

Posted by: Chris | October 22, 2008, 4:58 pm 4:58 pm

I saw Austan Goolsbee on the Charlie Rose interview. Austan is a light weight.

Posted by: lare | October 22, 2008, 4:59 pm 4:59 pm

Chris,
Well said. I agree with all of your comments.

Posted by: lare | October 22, 2008, 5:01 pm 5:01 pm

“Just about everyone works for a rich person or a wealthy company. If we raise taxes greatly on these people they aren’t sudden’y going to make less money and go on with there lives. They are going to raise prices or reduce costs or both.”
Don’t forget another important point. When you raise their taxes, they shift the profit to tax shelters and actually cause the government revenue to decrease. Liberals only care about what feels good, never about what works and what doesn’t.

Posted by: sigh | October 22, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

My sister is a worker who pays no taxes. She is eligable for SS and will essentially get a free check not tax cut as she pays no taxes only a refund check. Her house is paid for so she will not get the housing credit.
This is the on-the-job training Biden mentioned in his debate with the Hussein. Hussein said he was not qualified nor experienced enough in 2004 so he must have bouth the book experience for dummies or borrowed Bidens copy.
95% of working Americans do not pay taxes!
You have to earn enough to get tax relief. Now she did before they raised the minimum wage and her hours and benifits got cut to nothing.
more liberal bleeding heart tree hugging.
McCain/Palin08 Vote for country first and get real reform not just change!
Change is what Germany got with Hitler!

Posted by: crayon51 | October 22, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

Who is Obama trying to kid. Most individuals with a mortgage will exceed the standard deduction on their taxes and be itemizing their deductions so his universal morgage deduction will mean little to most taxpayers.

Posted by: Dale | October 22, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

QUESTIONS FOR OBAMA:
If the Bush tax cuts were wrong, DID YOU GIVE YOURS BACK?
If McCain wins and continues the Bush tax cuts, ARE YOU GOING O GIVE YOURS BACK?

Posted by: Joe | October 22, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

I consider myself a moderate. I don’t go for one party or another. I go for smart policy making. That said…
Seriously guys (especially Natasha), you can find an editorial to prove any point you want to make. The thing about editorials is that they are OPINIONS and opinions are constrained to factual data. I could write an editorial for the NYT or Washington Post saying that McCain would be a great President because the circumference of his testicles is greater than that of Barack Obama’s. I wouldn’t have to check whether this was indeed the case or whether this was criteria for proving greater leadership potential, but some of you would take it as litany simply because it is in print and reinforces your opinion that he is a better choice.
Niether candidate is actively trying to “bring down America”. Sen Biden showed great wisdom when he said it was unwise to question the motives of another elected official. Everyone tries to do what they think is right for the country. They just have differing views of what that might be.
As for this Marxism business, 1) Learn how to spell his name (K-A-R-L). 2) If you are going to run around calling people socialist/Marxist, whatever, you’d do well to read the man’s writings first, so you know what you are talking about instead of parroting off what Rush Limbaugh (or whoever else) said earlier that day/week. 3) The sliding tax scale ensures that people making very little aren’t starving in order to pay their taxes.
Finally, the Obama tax credit actually applies to everyone the way I read it. The McCain plan actually does punish those who were responsible. Your mortgage would be bought out and lowered to current market values if you were at risk of default. Everyone else would keep paying what they are, as their property values plummeted further.
Think about what you are saying, before you make random assumptions and accusations. Read the actual policies and really consider the effects before you react with emotions. Just like in the stock market, it is unwise to place your money on something that “looks good”. You do research and study it. Make sure. THEN you invest.
We are talking about our collective futures here. Rather than making this decision with our hearts, we need to carefully consider the direction our country should be headed with a cool head, using logic. Some sacrifices will have to be made in the coming years and the question has become, how will we choose which ones?
Vote for whomever you think is best equipped for the job, but make this decision not based on your heart, but your head. READ the policies in question. Understand what they actually mean without jumping to conclusions and decide for yourself, because everyone gets just one vote, for better or for worse.

Posted by: Seriously | October 22, 2008, 5:19 pm 5:19 pm

Anyone ever pay attention to the chants at rallys?
McCain rallys: “U.S.A! U.S.A!”
Obama rallys: “O-baMA O-baMA”
Should we work together and resume the power that is ours or remain lazy and put all our hopes in one person?
Who in the race truly wants to be your servant and who wants to be your master?

Posted by: TurnTurnTurn | October 22, 2008, 5:20 pm 5:20 pm

More BS from BO. The guy is a loser plain and simple. He is conning the American people with his lies and hypocrisy and socialist ideals. The dodos who detest George Bush are going to vote for him simply because he is at the opposite end of the spectrum from George Bush. And the blacks are going to vote for him simply because he is black, which btw, is racist. BO stinks, his politics stink and the whole liberal mindset stinks.
MCCAIN/PALIN 2008

Posted by: veritaseequitas | October 22, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm

why doesnt Jake have in his post the part where NAFTA double talker GOOLSBEE says to Holtz Eakin ARE YOU A MUSLIM??
Yep when caught flip flopping play the religion/ race card..
Guess Gen Powell is gonna call Obummers bff and econ adviser Goolsbee and let him have it for demeaning Muslims and suggesting there is something wrong with that, Right Gen Powell?
cricket
cricket
Obummer camp M.O.

Posted by: mom | October 22, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

If you pass the “paper bag test”, your money is on the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Obama=Reparations=Obama=Reparations
Reparations=Power=Reparations=Power

Posted by: R-E-P-A-R-A-T-I-O-N-S | October 22, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

retrocon wrote:
“….
OBAMA wants a GREAT DEPRESSION to create the TIPPING POINT needed for the final, full push into a socialists nation.”
Reality Check writes:
If so, looks like he is getting his wants.
If Obama get’s elected, he is going to find out another lesson the failed public schools and the movie industry taught the Messiah’s sheep.
No patience. No work ethic. Acceptance of violence as a solution.
If the Messiah does not deliver the Free Lunch, Free Diner and Free Health care he promised the sheep will become wolves howling for his ass.

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Read Atlas Shrugged!! Brief synopsis-Govt starts taxing the wealthy and the successful to the point that they leave the country. The result is the wealthy still have their money, but have moved away from the non-acheivers allowing for a collapse of the country. Don’t think it could happen? look at all the overseas jobs, that is the first step. Do you Obama supporters actually believe the likes of Striesand, Springsteen, Speilberg, et.al. are not formulating ways to protect their wealth? Do you believe that Warren Buffett is so willing to lose his money that he has gained? Heck, Buffett should write a check to every person in the country under the Obama administration. Look at all the fat-cat democrats in congress and tell me that you honestly believe that when they write the tax code they dont stick in some obscure deduction that only they know about. Economics 101 states (and this is in every economics text book) Raising taxes, regardless on who or what, ALWAYS INCREASES UNEMPLOYMENT. that is 100% of the time and it is 100% fact. Look it up.

Posted by: RobC | October 22, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

How is Obama going keep his sheep in line.
This Local TV news report may give us a clue Obama is going to do anything and everything to make sure he stays in power:
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=182623

Posted by: Reality Check | October 22, 2008, 5:45 pm 5:45 pm

Work requirement or not, the fact remains that Obama wants to “spread the wealth around” (like Robin Hood), by giving tax rebates to people who pay no income tax in the first place. Socialist is a kind way to put it.

Posted by: Not Fooled | October 22, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm

Just wondering when policy flexibility became “flip-flop”???? History is full of “flip-flops”. I would rather have a politician who has flexibility in his policies, than those who stick to a mantra, regardless of the results. “Iraq has weapons of mass destruction” anyone???

Posted by: T | October 22, 2008, 5:49 pm 5:49 pm

You got to remember that BO a lawyer just like Slick Willie, so it always depends on what “is” is.
He now admits his “95% will get a tax cut” slogan was deceptive. But what he’ll never tell you that 40% of working Americans don’t pay any tax in the first place. So giving them a tax rebate check is nothing more than welfare, or “spreading the wealth around.”

Posted by: shralper | October 22, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm

INDEPENDENT voters are finally getting the details of Obama’s “SPREAD the WEALTH” agenda, and it’s still socialism via the Federal government.
It’s still tax the richer and give to the poorer.
America’s greatness is not based on socialism like Obama’s economic agenda.
Fairness-yes, eliminate corruption.
BTW: The $700 billion bailout is a socialist fix for a socialist problem. It should not have passed and fails to correct the root cause of the financial mess.

Posted by: Yankee Skeptic | October 22, 2008, 5:57 pm 5:57 pm

Bah writes …SOCIALISM!!
… its better than ANY republican proposal i have heard in 40 years.
i am ALL FOR 100% SOCIALISM… end quote
It is too bad bah slept through Highschool History class. Had he not, even in the current liberal climate of tolerance for everything (except conservatism) he would realize the lack of freedom expienced in socialist countries. Wealth will not “spread around” in Obama’s Amerika. As is the case in Socialist Countries, it will be taken from “the masses” read you, me even you bah and the “people” will be told what is allowed them (its happening NOW in the debates bah). We “the masses” will have lost ALL voice to protest or affect change. Bah and his kind are just too intellectually lazy to think through to where this will logically lead. During this election, BO’s opinions, history, policies, associations have all been “off limits” to discussion and investigation. Do you really believe it will be different under his presidency?!? It may take 4 to 8 years to travel down the road to a Barack socialism, but it will take MUCH longer to undo the damage. Bah obiviously doesn’t have children to concern himself about, or he would not be so cavalier in his opnions. cavalier means arrogant bah. Look it up in the dictionary. If you do not have one, go out and steal one, because obviously society owes you the elementary education you failed to obtain.

Posted by: NoBO | October 22, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

If you people who don’t believe obama is a marxist had heard his fifnacial guy the other day, you would have been convinced as was I.
When asked about his 45% death tax, the guiy said ” we don’t want families to be able to amass fortunes to leave to their kids”..That folks is straight out of the communist manifesto…look it up.
Abolish inheritances…along with private property which we have thanks to the 5 lefties on the SC with their decision in Kelo and a more progressive tax rate and you have comminism 101.
Vote McCain/palin and save this republic.

Posted by: Seawolf | October 22, 2008, 6:00 pm 6:00 pm

So, let me get this straight…Obama will make it possible for me to get a computer and fill up my tank?
AWESOME!
If I work it right I can probably afford to get a Big Gulp at 7/11 too!
LOVE IT!

Posted by: KoKoMo | October 22, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

a rose by any other name. socialism it is then. either way, your republican ball room dancing days are over bay-beeeeeeeee! heh.

Posted by: budee budinski | October 22, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

Vote for Barry and hide your money because he will take all of it. Liberal politicians long ago made it very clear that they feel entitled to all of your money since they know best how to spend it. I hide all of my money in the ground where even the ants and worms can’t find it. Good luck.

Posted by: B.O. Plenty | October 22, 2008, 6:04 pm 6:04 pm

Now is not the time to experiment with Obamas’s plan America has too much at risk now!!!!!!

Posted by: rick | October 22, 2008, 6:05 pm 6:05 pm

sisterdearest09, When Congress passed the last stimulus package, it was giving back to tax payers our own money!!! The Democrats in Congress insisted some of the money go to those who don’t pay taxes…that part is socialism. Giving Tax Payers a rebate of their own money is not.

Posted by: Not Fooled | October 22, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

Nancy said Satan would be preferrable to a Republican. I think that is a glaring indictment of Nancy’s judgement.
I find it both disturbing and amusing that Obama supporters are more clearly defined by their hatred and irrationality than by reason and understanding.
I’ve voted McCain, but I would certainly prefer Obama to Satan.

Posted by: ProfessorGas | October 22, 2008, 6:10 pm 6:10 pm

He said WHAT???????
MY God! I hope every one is listening, before it is to late.
Subject: Wow
Perhaps there are SOME out there who are beginning to get ‘the picture’.
The following is a narrative taken from Sunday Morning’s televised “Meet
The Press’. and the author is employed by none other than the Washington Post!!
Yeah……the Washington Post of New York and Los Angeles Times fame!!
Must say that I’m dually impressed………………
From Sunday’s Televised “Meet the Press” Senator Obama was asked about his stance on the American Flag. Obama Explains National Anthem Stance
Sun, 07 Sept. 2008 11:48:04 EST, General Bill Ginn’ USAF (ret.) asked Obama to explain why he doesn’t follow protocol when the National Anthem is played.
The General also stated to the Senator that according to the United States Code, Title 36, Chapter 10, Sec. 171… During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all present except those in uniform are expected to stand at attention facing the flag with the right hand over the heart. At the very least, “Stand and Face It”
Senator Obama Live on Sunday states, “As I’ve said about the flag pin, I don’t want to be perceived as taking sides, Obama said. ‘There are a lot of people in the world to whom the American flag is a symbol of oppression. And the anthem itself conveys a war-like message. You know, the bombs bursting in air and all. It should be swapped for something less parochial and less bellicose.
I like the song ‘I’d Like To Teach the World To Sing.’ If that were our anthem, then I might salute it. “We should consider to reinvent our National Anthem as well as to redesign our Flag to better offer our enemies hope and love. It’s my intention, if elected, to disarm America to the level of acceptance to our Middle East Brethren.
If we as a Nation of warring people, should conduct ourselves as the nations of Islam, whereas peace prevails. Perhaps a state or period of mutual concord between our governments. When I become President, I will seek a pact or agreement to send hostilities between those who have been at war or in a state of enmity, and a freedom from disquieting oppressive thoughts. We as a Nation have placed upon
the nations of Islam an unfair injustice. My wife disrespects the Flag for many personal reasons. Together she and I have attended several flag burning ceremonies in the past, many years ago. She has her views and I have mine”. Of course now, I have found myself about to become the President of the United States and I have put aside my hatred. I will use my power to bring CHANGE to this Nation, and
offer the people a new path of hope. My wife and I look forward to becoming our Country’s First Family. Indeed, CHANGE is about to overwhelm the United States of America.
WHAAAAAAAT the Hell!
Yes, ladies and gentlemen, you heard it right. This could possibly be our next President.
I, for one, am speechless.
Dale Lindsborg, Washington Post

Posted by: rick | October 22, 2008, 6:15 pm 6:15 pm

A “work requirement” in no way eliminates the welfare aspect at all. The bottom line is that if you give a “refund” to someone who already has no tax liability, it’s welfare, period.

Posted by: spud | October 22, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

A sudden, erratic change that’s yet another tacit confession by Obama attesting to the extremist views. Here he now confesses his overall plan is to take money from working Americans and giving it away to those who refuse to work. He should be worried that Americans correctly denounce it as welfare.
Earlier Obama’s VP candidate Biden promised that if someone as weak, naive and inexperienced Obama were to be elected it would instantly throw America into “at least 4 or 5″ dangerous, major crisises. “More welfare AND imminent Armageddon”; at last – Obama/Biden are finally being truthful with America!

Posted by: Karen Schell | October 22, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm

It was never about a work requirement calling Obama’s plan welfare.
32% of tax files not only do not pay any federal income tax, but most get a check. This is IRS collections data.
These are people that are already working, just not paying their fair share.
The top 5% earn 36.6% of America’s wealth through income. But pay 60.14% of the federal income tax burden. Or 20.68% of their income.(After all deductions and loop holes. This is IRS collections numbers)
The bottom 1/2 of the country make 12.51% of America’s wealth through income. But pay only 2.99% of the federal income tax burden. or 3.01% of their collective income.
On average, the top 1% pay $300K in federal income taxes per person.
On average, the bottom 50% pay $404.
Giving the bottom half of the country (Over half of Obama’s 95%) more than a $404 tax break would be plain and simple a Marxist welfare check.
And being the potential tax break for people (See the calculator on his web site) Can be as much as $3600.
This would be the largest distribution of wealth in American history. This would turn the already welfare orientated tax system into full blown Marxism.
Why he has to pretend adding a 2% work requirement hides this fact is beyond arrogant
http://www.taxfoundation.org/news/show/250.html
Even the Tax policy center report that Obama uses as his backing shows this:
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/UploadedPDF/411693_CandidateTaxPlans.pdf
And looking deeper into Obama’s on plan, you see that he basis his numbers off tax rates of 20-30 years ago. Why no one notices this is beyond me.

Posted by: Mr. Kelly | October 22, 2008, 6:22 pm 6:22 pm

Wow…it is apparent that Natasha and “concerned American” will be two of the biggest beneficiaries of Obama…..look at all their posts….hmmm think they work or just waitin for the big payday to come their way?
Posted by: Mike
————————————
Micky Mouse- I am sure (un)-Concerned American will benefit from ME since Marxist Obama (if elected) would take my money to give it to (un)-Concerned American.
Oh yes, this Marxist anti-American Messiah of the masses (the sheep) will do exactly what Communists did in ALL the countries that they destroyed:
“Take money from Natasha to give to (un)-Concerned American”
America wake up…
Say NO to MARXIST “0″ !!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 6:25 pm 6:25 pm

Obama and Marx: A crash course
Published: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:00 AM CDT
“A spectre is haunting Europe — the spectre of Communism.”
With those words, Karl Marx launched a revolution with “The Communist Manifesto.” Interestingly, the opening of his essay, cowritten with Friedrich Engels, begins with the assertion that the European powers are using the “branding reproach of Communism” to label their opponents. Marx then says, “It is high time the communists should openly, in the face of the whole world, publish their views, their aims, their tendencies, and meet this nursery tale of the spectre of Communism with a Manifesto of the party itself.”
If Marx were alive today and living in San Francisco, perhaps he would have instead written this: “A spectre is haunting Democratic politics — the spectre of socialism.” Certainly, the “branding reproach of socialism” is now publicly acknowledged to have been used against the Democratic Party, and against its standard bearer, Barack Obama. It is high time for Obama and his allies to publicly assert their political and economic philosophy. If it is socialism, say so. If it is not, please explain why.
This, of course, is made immediately relevant by Obama’s famous comment to Joe the Plumber that, “I think when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.” In particular he was talking about his tax plan, which is a plan for redistribution of wealth from top to bottom.
This is a matter of fact. When Obama tells you that his tax plan will benefit 95 percent of taxpayers, he is misstating the truth. The fact is that 30 to 40 percent of Americans, the poorest among us, already don’t pay any taxes. But what Obama’s plan will do is allow them to sign up for a variety of tax credits, so the government will send them a check for a couple thousand dollars or more every year. Where does the money come from to make those payments? From Americans who do pay taxes. It literally is redistribution of wealth. Instead of using taxes to pay for the necessities of infrastructure and defense that they were intended for, the government as envisioned by Obama will be “spreading the wealth around.”
The question is whether Americans care. And if they don’t, why not?
Ask yourself, why did we spend 50 years after World War II fighting a Cold War to eliminate communism if we actually believe in it? Is this nation actually prepared to admit we were wrong, and Karl Marx was right? Marx’s credo, “From each according to his ability; to each according to his need,” has a nice ring. It can easily be seen as an institutionalized form of Christian charity — providing for the less able, or the less advantaged. But look at the results of communism and socialism in Europe, and you will quickly conclude that any philosophical niceties are vastly outweighed by the political realities.
When you look at Marx’s list of goals for communism in chapter two of “The Communist Manifesto” (www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm), you can see that socialism has already made great advances in the United States. But in particular pay attention to No. 2 — “A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.”
In this regard, Obama has outdone Marx himself. A progressive tax just puts a greater share of the burden on the rich. We already have long since had such a tax. But now Obama wants to find a way to hand out money to the poor. Is it any wonder that he is ahead in the polls?
As Ben Franklin reputedly said, “When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.”
– Frank Miele is managing editor of the Daily Inter Lake and writes a weekly column. E-mail responses may be sent to edit@dailyinterlake.com
© 2008 Northwest Montana Daily Inter Lake
http://www.dailyinterlake.com/articles/2008/10/22/opinion/columns/frank/columns01.txt

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm

Can we call this “change” in Obama’s socialism plan a little “ERRATIC”?

Posted by: Lady Melody | October 22, 2008, 6:31 pm 6:31 pm

Response to: Seriously | Oct 22, 2008 5:19:36 PM
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I appreciate your calm demeanor but I would like to comment on one of your statements with regard to the motives of each candidate.
………
Niether candidate is actively trying to “bring down America”. Sen Biden showed great wisdom when he said it was unwise to question the motives of another elected official. Everyone tries to do what they think is right for the country. They just have differing views of what that might be.
……….
Our country is essentially Capitalist with a smattering of progressivism mixed in for good measure. I really do not have all that much problem with that, even though I would prefer there be none. The real problem I have with Senator Obama and the current powers of the Democrat party (and apparently many of their supporters as well) is that they seem to espouse and publically support Soicalists and the Socialist point of view. Many praise Hugo Chavez and Fidel and Raul Castro. So what I see is a constituency that claims “LOVE of COUNTRY” out of one side of their mouth while the other side is bad mouthing every move we make and also wanting to implement a whole new governmental philosophy.
Apparently I have no idea what LOVE means.
Oh BTW it is N-e-i-t-h-e-r!!!!!!!

Posted by: BaldEagle | October 22, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm

Taxing the “rich” at a higher percentage than all others may make you feel good, but the “rich” just pass these costs on to you when you buy anything that the “rich” provide to society. If you increase taxes on General Motors, they will just increase the price of their cars…that’s exactly what I wopuld do and so would you!

Posted by: Attilla | October 22, 2008, 6:37 pm 6:37 pm

I don’t know who Mark Gregg is but I am glad this
letter is circulating. It puts into words what many
people feel.

Posted by: rick | October 22, 2008, 6:42 pm 6:42 pm

Obama is proposing $1 trillion in new spending, yet claims no tax increases for 95% of “workers”. Do the math. That means a $1 trillion tax increase on 5% of the working population. I sense an exodus to Galt’s Gulch.

Posted by: Mark | October 22, 2008, 6:43 pm 6:43 pm

MIA: Marxists: Marx & Engels: Library: 1848: Manifesto of the Communist Party: Chapter 2:
To ALL morally sound patriotic Americans:
Please take a look at Marx’s list of goals for communism in chapter two of “The Communist Manifesto”
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm, you can see that socialism has already made great advances in the United States.
But in particular pay attention to No. 2 — “A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.”
MIA: Marxists: Marx & Engels: Library: 1848: Manifesto of the Communist Party: Chapter 2:
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/communist-manifesto/ch02.htm

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 6:50 pm 6:50 pm

I want Obama to buy me a pony that eats rainbows and poops butterflies!!
http://www.capitalism.org

Posted by: David | October 22, 2008, 6:51 pm 6:51 pm

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 6:59 pm 6:59 pm

I run a bicycle company. When Obama pushes my taxes too high, I will be moving to Central or South America and set up shop there. My employees will be let go and I will hire the locals in South America and then import my bikes to the US. It will be very easy for me to put away my income in the foreign country and I will avoid paying the Dems’ outrageous taxes.
This is what is coming on a very large scale with hundreds and perhaps thousands of us. Don’t think we employers do not have escape plans. You are all voting yourselves out of a job when you vote for Obama. Start a Union? I will shut down my plant and move. They are not the union’s jobs, they are mine to give to whom I please.
Tax those rich people? Atlas will shrug. There are many who know the laws and can renounce their citizenship, move, and never pay a dime of US tax on their millions. Obama’s plans forget that the rich are highly mobile and they can move to a domicile where they can take their wealth and income. Sure they passed that capital gains tax this year on people trying to take wealth out of the country, but we will find ways around it.
Good luck with that you bastards.

Posted by: RealEngr | October 22, 2008, 7:04 pm 7:04 pm

This country has slowly been moving towards socialism for many years, starting with FDR’s New Deal. With Obama in the White House and a supportive liberal Congress, the pace will pick up. I wish I could move to another country, but I have too many friend and family members I want to be near.

Posted by: chris | October 22, 2008, 7:06 pm 7:06 pm

Oh no. Don’t tell me that us poor slackers are going to have to do some work to get Obama’s free handouts. We want free money. We do not want to work for anything. It is our Constitutional right to be housed, fed, clothed and entertained by those who work hard every day for a living. We want the wealth to be spread around — to us. Whether we deserve it or not; whether we work for it or not; we want the money that hard working Americans make. Obama promised us all of this, and now he wants us to do some work? No Fair.

Posted by: Patrick C. | October 22, 2008, 7:07 pm 7:07 pm

Obama is going to keep ‘tweaking’ everything in his campaign so he makes himself agreeable to everyone.
A Socialist is a Socialist no matter what he says or what he does.
Every Administration stands on its on so bringing up Clinton or Bush is just silly. They are in the history books forget about them. Look at the ones running now and judge them by their words and deeds.
I have and Obama falls too short of the mark he has too many shady ‘friends’ and birds of a feather still do flock together.

Posted by: FHV | October 22, 2008, 7:11 pm 7:11 pm

I’m glad someone in the media finally called him on it. He’s been “changing” his policies and statements constantly for the year I’ve been following him. I am so confused at this point, I really don’t know his positions. I do know however that he is way too liberal for most Americans.

Posted by: Susan | October 22, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

time for another revolution
no taxation without representation
will have the tax’s with Obuma and we will not have any representation.
McCain/Palin

Posted by: dave | October 22, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

A DICTATOR’S ENDORCEMENT FOR BARACK OBAMA…
Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi marking the anniversary of the U.S. air raid on Libya. The address aired on Al-Jazeera TV on June 11, 2008:
“Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi: Obama Suffers Inferiority Complex That Might Make Him Behave “Whiter Than the White.” He Should Be Proud of His African, Muslim Identity. Ben-Gurion Gave the Green Light for the Killing of JFK ….”
TEXT (Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008)
http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1791.htm
VIDEO – Qadhafi: Obama is a Muslim – Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/gaddafi-obama-is-a-muslim/2563816338/?icid=VIDURVNWS07

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:31 pm 7:31 pm

A DICTATOR’S ENDORSEMENT FOR BARACK OBAMA…
Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi marking the anniversary of the U.S. air raid on Libya. The address aired on Al-Jazeera TV on June 11, 2008:
“Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi: Obama Suffers Inferiority Complex That Might Make Him Behave “Whiter Than the White.” He Should Be Proud of His African, Muslim Identity. Ben-Gurion Gave the Green Light for the Killing of JFK ….”
TEXT (Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008)
http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1791.htm
VIDEO – Qadhafi: Obama is a Muslim – Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/gaddafi-obama-is-a-muslim/2563816338/?icid=VIDURVNWS07
Posted by: Natasha | Oct 22, 2008 7:31:19 PM

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm

–I’ll be flying my American flag upside down–
You should already be doing so.. this Country has been in distress for some time now.
Posted by: Concerned American
————————————–
BOZO- I will be swinging our flag with pride and dancing with McCain-Palin and all patriotic Americans to the tune of this video…watch!
A USA Military History (Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6370539579217643597&hl=en
GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:46 pm 7:46 pm

Naturally this article ends with Obama totally excused and exonerated. This is ABC/CBS/MSNBC/CNN/NPR/RUETERS/ASSOCIATED PRESS and so on right? We expect nothing less.

Posted by: Karpindur | October 22, 2008, 7:49 pm 7:49 pm

Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
America wake up! The American Marxists/Socialists/Communists have posted this proclamation – guess where?…on Barack Obama’s official website! (see link below)
Marxists/Socialists/Communists for Obama
“This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx’s writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat. Though the Democratic Socialists of America or the Communist Patty of America may have more Socialististic values, it is pointless to vote for these candidates due to the fact that there is virutally no chance they will be elected on a National level. The members of this group are not Leninists, Stalinists, etc. and do not support or condone the actions of North Korea, China, Cuba or any other self-procalimed “Marxist States.” They do not in anyway represent the Marxist philosophy nor do they represent Socialism/ Communsim. We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!”
Source:
BarackObama.com
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/MarxistsSocialistsCommunistsforObama

Posted by: Natasha | October 22, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

Senator Obama is now proclaiming that he is NOT a Socialist. That is like Nixon saying, “I am not a crook” or Clinton saying, “I never had sexual relations with that woman”. Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate, he has proposed a number of socialist programs including national health care. Is he changing the definition of socialist? It is sad that politicians will say whatever they need to so they can get elected. He IS a socialist; why won’t he admit it. Because he would not get elected.

Posted by: BobTheeBuilder | October 22, 2008, 8:35 pm 8:35 pm

Concerned Idiot,
As usual, you don’t have a clue what you are writing about.
Sounds good, sounds official, but your writing is nothing more than mental masturbation. The partial Glass Stegall repeal you refer to that passed in 1999 was actually passed with 155 House Dems voting for and 51 voting against. In the senate, 38 Dems voted for it and 7 against it. At least get the voting stats correct next time.
But the larger point, the Glass-Steagall Act had / has absolutely nothing to do with Fannie and Freddie. Glass Steagall regulated the banking industry. Fannie and Freddie are not bankers, they buy mortgage loans from banks (including those bullied by ACORN into making loans they wouldn’t otherwise have), package them with others and securitize the cash flows; selling them as bonds.
And yes, indeed, your other piece of fiction…the Junior Senator was an attorney advising Acorn as they badgered banks into making home loans to people that they normally would not have considered.
Please read, also, this article from the NY Obama Times, the most liberal newspaper in the country:
FANNIE MAE EASES CREDIT TO AID MORTGAGE LENDING
By STEVEN A. HOLMES
Published in the New York Times on September 30, 1999.
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In a move that could help increase home ownership rates among
minorities and low-income consumers, the Fannie Mae Corporation is
easing the credit requirements on loans that it will purchase from
banks and other lenders.
The action, which will begin as a pilot program involving 24 banks in
15 markets — including the New York metropolitan region — will
encourage those banks to extend home mortgages to individuals whose
credit is generally not good enough to qualify for conventional loans.
Fannie Mae officials say they hope to make it a nationwide program by
next spring.
Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, has
been under increasing pressure from the Clinton Administration to
expand mortgage loans among low and moderate income people and felt
pressure from stock holders to maintain its phenomenal growth in
profits.
In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have
been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called
subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and
savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can
only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest
rates — anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than
conventional loans.
”Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in
the 1990′s by reducing down payment requirements,” said Franklin D.
Raines, Fannie Mae’s chairman and chief executive officer. ”Yet there
remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our
underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying
significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime
market.”
Demographic information on these borrowers is sketchy. But at least
one study indicates that 18 percent of the loans in the subprime
market went to black borrowers, compared to 5 per cent of loans in the
conventional loan market.
In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae
is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any
difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-
subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn,
prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan
industry in the 1980′s.
”From the perspective of many people, including me, this is another
thrift industry growing up around us,” said Peter Wallison a resident
fellow at the American Enterprise Institute. ”If they fail, the
government will have to step up and bail them out the way it stepped
up and bailed out the thrift industry.”
Under Fannie Mae’s pilot program, consumers who qualify can secure a
mortgage with an interest rate one percentage point above that of a
conventional, 30-year fixed rate mortgage of less than $240,000 — a
rate that currently averages about 7.76 per cent. If the borrower
makes his or her monthly payments on time for two years, the one
percentage point premium is dropped.
Fannie Mae, the nation’s biggest underwriter of home mortgages, does
not lend money directly to consumers. Instead, it purchases loans that
banks make on what is called the secondary market. By expanding the
type of loans that it will buy, Fannie Mae is hoping to spur banks to
make more loans to people with less-than-stellar credit ratings.
Fannie Mae officials stress that the new mortgages will be extended to
all potential borrowers who can qualify for a mortgage. But they add
that the move is intended in part to increase the number of minority
and low income home owners who tend to have worse credit ratings than
non-Hispanic whites.
Home ownership has, in fact, exploded among minorities during the
economic boom of the 1990′s. The number of mortgages extended to
Hispanic applicants jumped by 87.2 per cent from 1993 to 1998,
according to Harvard University’s Joint Center for Housing Studies.
During that same period the number of African Americans who got
mortgages to buy a home increased by 71.9 per cent and the number of
Asian Americans by 46.3 per cent.
In contrast, the number of non-Hispanic whites who received loans for
homes increased by 31.2 per cent.
Despite these gains, home ownership rates for minorities continue to
lag behind non-Hispanic whites, in part because blacks and Hispanics
in particular tend to have on average worse credit ratings.
In July, the Department of Housing and Urban Development proposed that
by the year 2001, 50 percent of Fannie Mae’s and Freddie Mac’s
portfolio be made up of loans to low and moderate-income borrowers.
Last year, 44 percent of the loans Fannie Mae purchased were from
these groups.
The change in policy also comes at the same time that HUD is
investigating allegations of racial discrimination in the automated
underwriting systems used by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to determine
the credit-worthiness of credit applicants.
The REAL “skeletons” in Obama’s closet!

Posted by: Democrats / ACORN caused mortgage crisis | October 22, 2008, 8:49 pm 8:49 pm

Planting Seeds of Disaster
ACORN, Barack Obama, and the Democratic party.
By Stanley Kurtz, Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Institute
‘You’ve got only a couple thousand bucks in the bank. Your job pays you dog-food wages. Your credit history has been bent, stapled, and mutilated. You declared bankruptcy in 1989. Don’t despair: You can still buy a house.” So began an April 1995 article in the Chicago Sun-Times that went on to direct prospective home-buyers fitting this profile to a group of far-left “community organizers” called ACORN, for assistance. In retrospect, of course, encouraging customers like this to buy homes seems little short of madness.
Militant ACORN
At the time, however, that 1995 Chicago newspaper article represented something of a triumph for Barack Obama. That same year, as a director at Chicago’s Woods Fund, Obama was successfully pushing for a major expansion of assistance to ACORN, and sending still more money ACORN’s way from his post as board chair of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Through both funding and personal-leadership training, Obama supported ACORN. And ACORN, far more than we’ve recognized up to now, had a major role in precipitating the subprime crisis.
I’ve already told the story of Obama’s close ties to ACORN leader Madeline Talbott, who personally led Chicago ACORN’s campaign to intimidate banks into making high-risk loans to low-credit customers. Using provisions of a 1977 law called the Community Reinvestment Act (CRA), Chicago ACORN was able to delay and halt the efforts of banks to merge or expand until they had agreed to lower their credit standards — and to fill ACORN’s coffers to finance “counseling” operations like the one touted in that Sun-Times article. This much we’ve known. Yet these local, CRA-based pressure-campaigns fit into a broader, more disturbing, and still under-appreciated national picture. Far more than we’ve recognized, ACORN’s local, CRA-enabled pressure tactics served to entangle the financial system as a whole in the subprime mess. ACORN was no side-show. On the contrary, using CRA and ties to sympathetic congressional Democrats, ACORN succeeded in drawing Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into the very policies that led to the current disaster.
In one of the first book-length scholarly studies of ACORN, Organizing Urban America, Rutgers University political scientist Heidi Swarts describes this group, so dear to Barack Obama, as “oppositional outlaws.” Swarts, a strong supporter of ACORN, has no qualms about stating that its members think of themselves as “militants unafraid to confront the powers that be.” “This identity as a uniquely militant organization,” says Swarts, “is reinforced by contentious action.” ACORN protesters will break into private offices, show up at a banker’s home to intimidate his family, or pour protesters into bank lobbies to scare away customers, all in an effort to force a lowering of credit standards for poor and minority customers. According to Swarts, long-term ACORN organizers “tend to see the organization as a solitary vanguard of principled leftists…the only truly radical community organization.”
ACORN’s Inside Strategy
Yet ACORN’s entirely deserved reputation for militance is balanced by its less-well-known “inside strategy.” ACORN has long employed Washington-based lobbyists who understand very well how the legislative game is played. ACORN’s national lobbyists may encourage and benefit from the militant tactics of their base, but in the halls of congress they play the game with smooth sophistication. The untold story of ACORN’s central role in the financial meltdown is about the one-two punch to the banking system administered by this outside/inside strategy.
Critics of the notion that CRA had a major impact on the subprime crisis ask how a law passed in 1977 could have caused a crisis in 2008? The answer has a lot to do with ACORN — and the critical years of 1990-1995. While the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act did call on banks to increase lending in poor and minority neighborhoods, its exact requirements were vague, and therefore open to a good deal of regulatory interpretation. Banks merger or expansion plans were rarely held up under CRA until the late 1980s, when ACORN perfected its technique of filing CRA complaints in tandem with the sort of intimidation tactics perfected by that original “community organizer” (and Obama idol), Saul Alinsky.
At first, ACORN’s anti-bank actions were relatively few in number. However, under a provision of the 1989 savings and loan bailout pushed by liberal Democratic legislators, like Massachusetts Congressman Joseph P. Kennedy, lenders were required to compile public records of mortgage applicants by race, gender, and income. Although the statistics produced by these studies were presented in highly misleading ways, groups like ACORN were able to use them to embarrass banks into lowering credit standards. At the same time, a wave of banking mergers in the early 1990′s provided an opening for ACORN to use CRA to force lending changes. Any merger could be blocked under CRA, and once ACORN began systematically filing protests over minority lending, a formerly toothless set of regulations began to bite.
ACORN’s efforts to undermine credit standards in the late 1980s taught it a valuable lesson. However much pressure ACORN put on banks to lower credit standards, tough requirements in the “secondary market” run by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac served as a barrier to change. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac buy up mortgages en masse, bundle them, and sell them to investors on the world market. Back then, Fannie and Freddie refused to buy loans that failed to meet high credit standards. If, for example, a local bank buckled to ACORN pressure and agreed to offer poor or minority applicants a 5-percent down-payment rate, instead of the normal 10-20 percent, Fannie and Freddie would refuse to buy up those mortgages. That would leave all the risk of these shaky loans with the local bank. So again and again, local banks would tell ACORN that, because of standards imposed by Fannie and Freddie, they could lower their credit standards by only a little.
So the eighties taught ACORN that a high-pressure, Alinskyite outside strategy wouldn’t be enough. Their Washington lobbyists would have to bring inside pressure on the government to undercut credit standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Only then would local banks consider making loans available to customers with bad credit histories, low wages, virtually nothing in the bank, and even bankruptcies on record.
Democrats and ACORN
As early as 1987, ACORN began pressuring Fannie and Freddie to review their standards, with modest results. By 1989, ACORN had lured Fannie Mae into the first of many “pilot projects” designed to help local banks lower credit standards. But it was all small potatoes until the serious pressure began in early 1991. At that point, Democratic Senator Allan Dixon convened a Senate subcommittee hearing at which an ACORN representative gave key testimony. It’s probably not a coincidence that Dixon, like Obama, was an Illinois Democrat, since Chicago has long been a stronghold of ACORN influence.
Dixon gave credibility to ACORN’s accusations of loan bias, although these claims of racism were disputed by Missouri Republican, Christopher Bond. ACORN’s spokesman strenuously complained that his organization’s efforts to relax local credit standards were being blocked by requirements set by the secondary market. Dixon responded by pressing Fannie and Freddie to do more to relax those standards — and by promising to introduce legislation that would ensure it. At this early stage, Fannie and Freddie walked a fine line between promising to do more, while protesting any wholesale reduction of credit requirements.
By July of 1991, ACORN’s legislative campaign began to bear fruit. As the Chicago Tribune put it, “Housing activists have been pushing hard to improve housing for the poor by extracting greater financial support from the country’s two highly profitable secondary mortgage-market companies. Thanks to the help of sympathetic lawmakers, it appeared…that they may succeed.” The Tribune went on to explain that House Democrat Henry Gonzales had announced that Fannie and Freddie had agreed to commit $3.5 billion to low-income housing in 1992 and 1993, in addition to a just-announced $10 billion “affordable housing loan program” by Fannie Mae. The article emphasizes ACORN pressure and notes that Fannie and Freddie had been fighting against the plan as recently as a week before agreement was reached. Fannie and Freddie gave in only to stave off even more restrictive legislation floated by congressional Democrats.
A mere month later, ACORN Housing Corporation president, George Butts made news by complaining to a House Banking subcommittee that ACORN’s efforts to pressure banks using CRA were still being hamstrung by Fannie and Freddie. Butts also demanded still more data on the race, gender, and income of loan applicants. Many news reports over the ensuing months point to ACORN as the key source of pressure on congress for a further reduction of credit standards at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. As a result of this pressure, ACORN was eventually permitted to redraft many of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s loan guideline.
Clinton and ACORN
ACORN’s progress through 1992 depended on its Democratic allies. Whatever ACORN managed to squeeze out of the George H. W. Bush administration came under congressional pressure. With the advent of the Clinton administration, however, ACORN’s fortunes took a positive turn. Clinton Housing Secretary Henry Cisnersos pledged to meet monthly with ACORN representatives. For ACORN, those meetings bore fruit.
Another factor working in ACORN’s favor was that its increasing success with local banks turned those banks into allies in the battle with Fannie and Freddie. Precisely because ACORN’s local pressure tactics were working, banks themselves now wanted Fannie and Freddie to loosen their standards still further, so as to buy up still more of the high-risk loans they’d made at ACORN’s insistence. So by the 1993, a grand alliance of ACORN, national Democrats, and local bankers looking for someone to lessen the risks imposed on them by CRA and ACORN were uniting to pressure Fannie and Freddie to loosen credit standards still further.
At this point, both ACORN and the Clinton administration were working together to impose large numerical targets or “set asides” (really a sort of poor and minority loan quota system) on Fannie and Freddie. ACORN called for at least half of Fannie and Freddie loans to go to low-income customers. At first the Clinton administration offered a set-aside of 30 percent. But eventually ACORN got what it wanted. In early 1994, the Clinton administration floated plans for committing $1 trillion in loans to low- and moderate-income home-buyers, which would amount to about half of Fannie Mae’s business by the end of the decade. Wall Street Analysts attributed Fannie Mae’s willingness to go along with the change to the need to protect itself against still more severe “congressional attack.” News reports also highlighted praise for the change from ACORN’s head lobbyist, Deepak Bhargava.
This sweeping debasement of credit standards was touted by Fannie Mae’s chairman, chief executive officer, and now prominent Obama adviser James A. Johnson. This is also the period when Fannie Mae ramped up its pilot programs and local partnerships with ACORN, all of which became precedents and models for the pattern of risky subprime mortgages at the root of today’s crisis. During these years, Obama’s Chicago ACORN ally, Madeline Talbott, was at the forefront of participation in those pilot programs, and her activities were consistently supported by Obama through both foundation funding and personal leadership training for her top organizers.
Finally, in June of 1995, President Clinton, Vice President Gore, and Secretary Cisneros announced the administration’s comprehensive new strategy for raising home-ownership in America to an all-time high. Representatives from ACORN were guests of honor at the ceremony. In his remarks, Clinton emphasized that: “Out homeownership strategy will not cost the taxpayers one extra cent. It will not require legislation.” Clinton meant that informal partnerships between Fannie and Freddie and groups like ACORN would make mortgages available to customers “who have historically been excluded from homeownership.”
Disaster
In the end of course, Clinton’s plan cost taxpayers an almost unimaginable amount of money. And it was just around the time of his 1995 announcement that the Chicago papers started encouraging bad-credit customers with “dog-food” wages, little money in the bank, and even histories of bankruptcy to apply for home loans with the help of ACORN. At both the local and national levels, then, ACORN served as the critical catalyst, levering pressure created by the Community Reinvestment Act and pull with Democratic politicians to force Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into a pattern of high-risk loans.
Up to now, conventional wisdom on the financial meltdown has relegated ACORN and the CRA to bit parts. The real problem, we’ve been told, lay with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. In fact, however, ACORN is at the base of the whole mess. ACORN used CRA and Democratic sympathizers to entangle Fannie and Freddie and the entire financial system in a disastrous disregard of the most basic financial standards. And Barack Obama cut his teeth as an organizer and politician backing up ACORN’s economic madness every step of the way.

Posted by: ACORN, Barack Obama and the Mortgage Meltdown | October 22, 2008, 9:00 pm 9:00 pm

I would like to thank bah for driving home the point of Obama’s intentions.
Now I think it is time for we producers to drive home a point. If those making over $60,000 up our tax withholdings to like 10 or more for about two months we will starve the leaches in this country.
Since we are financially responsible, we will save the moeny to re-pay the money on Arpil 15.
Oh and bah, how am I a racist? I made absolutely no mention of race. Do you assume I’m of a certain race because I actually worked for my success? Now who is the racist.
Thank you all and let’s tell the government they get no more of our money until they learn to be responsible with it!
Thank you.

Posted by: Jim | October 22, 2008, 10:15 pm 10:15 pm

“You know whats so funny? 40% of WORKING americans make so little they pay no taxes or write it all off so they pay no taxes.
Saying you have to WORK means NOTHING because they will still pay no taxes and then get the credit refund which is STILL welfare.
Obama has to come out and say if you pay no taxes you get no check. Whats so difficult about that?”
Pretty sure that right there said it all. 40% of WORKING AMERICANS don’t make enough money to even be TAXED. Yet there are 20 people in America whose combined net worth is 438 billion dollars.
Wake up sheep.

Posted by: Thom | October 23, 2008, 5:21 am 5:21 am

Something else I found funny.
Some republican above posted an article about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s “subprime” expansion in 1999, apparently meant to be some kind of scathing rebuke against democrats, or an attempt to blame the mortgage crisis on the Clinton administration.
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They didn’t start borrowing to people who wouldn’t have otherwise borrowed, the pressure was to lower the down payment and borrowing restrictions to take these people out of the scum-lord SUBPRIME market (that has since launched things like CASH ADVANCE and PAYDAY LOAN stores to assrape Americans in clever NEW ways.)
The Clinton’s were fighting to HELP people achieve the “American Dream” the Republicos are SO DAMNED SURE Obama is going to “take away” with his “socialist-marxist” agenda of “wealth redistribution”.
But the real motivation for FANNIE and FREDDIE, PROFITS. The motivation for the Clinton administration, HELPING AMERICAN FAMILIES.
<<In addition, banks, thrift institutions and mortgage companies have
been pressing Fannie Mae to help them make more loans to so-called
subprime borrowers. These borrowers whose incomes, credit ratings and
savings are not good enough to qualify for conventional loans, can
only get loans from finance companies that charge much higher interest
rates — anywhere from three to four percentage points higher than
conventional loans.
''Fannie Mae has expanded home ownership for millions of families in
the 1990's by reducing down payment requirements,'' said Franklin D.
Raines, Fannie Mae's chairman and chief executive officer. ''Yet there
remain too many borrowers whose credit is just a notch below what our
underwriting has required who have been relegated to paying
significantly higher mortgage rates in the so-called subprime
market.''

Posted by: Thom | October 23, 2008, 5:33 am 5:33 am

Let me tell you something, the day a country elects a military man for president, you can say GOOD BYE to democracy.
Posted by: GIGI |
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You do not even know the definition of democracy or where it was even born! Go hit some history books, BOZO and then come back here to tell us that a retired war hero – POW, who almost lost his life for our country (regardless if the war he was fighting was right or wrong he was fighting for AMERICA) would cause the end of Democracy.
Hide your freaking face – UN-AMERICAN IDIOT. Your MARXIST Savior of the “masses” (the sheep) will end democracy in America.
Yes, morally sound patriotic American people want a war hero as our President. We do not want “whinners” – Harvard “elitists”, who forgot their brains at Harvard and ended up working with terrorists, drug dealers, and other Chicago criminals (he has the audacity to call it “community organizing”).
Oh! I know…he speaks well!

Posted by: Natasha | October 23, 2008, 7:25 am 7:25 am

Natasha,
I woke long ago. I am an Independent who is supporting Obama. When it comes to addressing the concerns of middle-class working families (those under $250,000) Republicans hearts simply aren’t it.
Mindless, endless tax cuts McCain\Palin propose for everyone is absurd. If you believe this helps anyone but the wealthy in this crisis you’ve been smoking the Republican crack far too long…Trickle down economics doesn’t work..

Posted by: indy_voter | October 23, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Oh, no! Another flip-flop by “the one”! And because Obama’s “the one,” the mainstream media will give him a pass as usual. And Powell called Obama “transformational”? Perhaps he was referring to Obama’s similarity to one of those transformer toys.

Posted by: judithod | October 23, 2008, 5:40 pm 5:40 pm

Posted by: . | October 23, 2008, 8:13 pm 8:13 pm

Yeah, you’re going to need Obama to give you money when he raises taxes on the businesses. How do you think they’ll make up for the tax increase? Duh, lay you off or maybe better raise prices on products. Can’t wait to pay more money on that milk at the store can ya? But, hey maybe with no job and a gov. handout you can still afford it?
I’m voting Democrat because the Democrats support the trial lawyers and I think this country needs more lawsuits and less tort reform. And I don’t believe the trial lawyers’ contributions have a thing to do with it.
I’m voting Democrat because Congress has done such a wonderful job under Democrat leadership the last two years, that I want a lot more of the same.
I’m voting Democrat because I want to get my health care from the same competent, efficient, cost-effective, customer-service-focused folks who run the US Post Office, the Pentagon, FEMA and the state Registry of Motor Vehicles.
I’m voting Democrat because I’m way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.
I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has promised to cut the taxes of 95% of the people, including the 30% who don’t pay taxes.
I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has promised to take away the secret ballot in union elections, and I think the union bosses should know if a workingman or woman is with them, or against them.
I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama has over three years experience in the Federal Government, and “Hope” is a great strategy.
I’m voting Democrat because Sen. Obama voted “present” instead of “yes” or “no” over 120 times in the Illinois State Senate, and I think we need a decisive president.
I’m voting Democrat because I think that drilling for American oil is foolish, when we can buy oil from the Middle East.
I’m voting Democrat because I think windmills (except off Hyannis) are a better answer to reliable, clean energy than Nuclear Energy.
I’m voting Democrat because I don’t think we give enough to other countries in foreign aid.
I’m voting Democrat because I’m for putting up barriers to free trade, as they did in 1930 with the Smoot-Hawley bill. That made things much better then.
I’m voting Democrat because I miss the high unemployment, inflation and interest rates of the Jimmy Carter years.
I’m voting Democrat because parents shouldn’t get to choose the school their kids go to. Parents should leave their children’s education to the teachers and stay out of it.
I’m voting Democrat because I think this is the perfect time to raise the Capital Gains tax and drive investment money out of the stock market.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe oil companies’ profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene, but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn’t.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would, and I want to spread my wealth around to those who earn less—or nothing.
I’m voting Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.
I’m voting Democrat because, when we pull out of Iraq, I trust that the bad guys will stop what they’re doing because they now think we’re good people.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that people who can’t tell us if it will rain on Friday CAN tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don’t start driving a Prius.
I’m voting Democrat because I’m not concerned about restoring partial birth abortions so long as we keep all death row murderers alive.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe that small businesses should not be allowed to make a profit. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution to people who didn’t start businesses.
I’m voting Democrat because I believe the law is what judges say it is, and not what legislators say — or the constitution.
I’m voting Democrat because the media would call me a racist if I didn’t.

Posted by: dawink | November 1, 2008, 6:21 am 6:21 am

All poloticians from your precient to the presidentcy will tell you whatever you want to believe in order to get your vote. In the past presidentional elections: Social Secutity, Mdeicare, Illegal Imagrants and Health Care has always been a topic that has been under great consideration to the candidates because it is to the general public. After a president is elected, nothing has changed about those issues aforementioned. 8 years ago president bush wanted health care reform and ran his campaign on it. Today, we are still voting on a candidate for health care reform. Candidates are trying to cover up the facts with false hopes and lies in order to get your vote. If this country were made up of all voting citizens and none of them voted, who would be elected? I have a feeling that the boxes would be cramed full of votes, legal or not. That is why I am voting for who I think the best man will be to run this country for the next 4 years or longer. In the past, we have been left to vote for the man or woman that is the lesser of the two evils. For once, it would be nice to have an election were both candidates were equal. This election from the senate to the president has been a mud slinging affair and I for one will be glad when it is over. No matter who is elected president, you might thing are bad now, but just wait. If I could afford it, I would move to a country that did not have all of this rubbish. Well, we shall see, but has anyone thought that the financial status deteroiated just weeks before this election? I hope you noticed that in this message none of the words were capitalized except for the first word in each sentenance. That is because all of the other pronouns have to earn my vote and so far none have.
I do not who I will vote for, but it is a constitutional right to do so and besides, if you do not vote, then you have no right to critize any candidate that is elected.
So all of you good rupublicans, democrats and indepents, just sit tight and watch the score card to see if you paid the right people enough to be elected or re-elected.

Posted by: Larry | November 2, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am

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