Obama Dismisses Biden Comments on Being ‘Tested’ as ‘Rhetorical Flourishes’

What about Al-Qaida wanting to hit American interest prior to the election to usher McCain into office? Posted on one of their WEB sites:
“This requires presence of an impetuous American leader such as McCain, who pledged to continue the war till the last American soldier,” the message said. “Then, al-Qaida will have to support McCain in the coming elections so that he continues the failing march of his predecessor, Bush.”
SITE Intelligence Group, based in Bethesda, Md., monitors the Web site and translated the message.

Face it Biden was making the statement that Obama was going to win. Not McCain, and he is anticipating that there will be test for the new President.
McCain is upset that it will not be him that is all.

You neo-cons need to ask yourself a question, “if you think this is an issue, then how would you feel if Palin was the one tested”?
McCain is a 72 year old cancer survivor, he could die and she would be the president, doesn’t that give you a queasy feeling?

Exactly!

I think those 2 anuerisms have taken their toll on ol’ MBNA Joe.

Extreme wealth? Isn’t the conservative line supposed to be that being able to make a lot of money, and do whatever you please with it, is the very essence of the American Way?
So, if people choose to donate millions of their own money to Obama’s campaign, that’s not valid? The fact that in virtually every election before this the Republicans collected and spent more than the Dems was okay, but NOW collecting and spending a lot is bad? Have you people no SHRED of intellectual honestly anymore?

Sure, ObamACORN, right. So, Crazy Joe just goes crazy sometimes and says some crazy things eh?
Yea, that will work. He’s your top adviser on foreign affairs. Sure, that will work, yea.
Crazy Joe, potentially one heartbeat away from the presidency?

Obama dismisses anything he doesn’t like, and the press goes along with him.
The real question is how Biden knows that we’ll be attacked by April if Obama is elected. Does anyone else have any information on this?

Two “tests” I’ve seen for McCain were:
1)Picking a VP – which he failed miserably by putting his party’s right wing zealots before his country.
2)The financial crisis – which he had to “suspend” his entire campaign just to make a simple vote.
He added nothing to the bill and his own party didn’t follow his lead. Not impressive.
In fact, his stunt cost taxpayers billions because it stopped the negotiotiations that had been fine without him.
No way we’re going to vote for an eratic knee-jerk reactionary. What’s he going to do in a military crisis? Shut down the entire government?
After hearing multiple comments from McCain, Palin, and Republican Representatives about who’s a “Real American”, I will gladly vote against their Facist rhetoric and ignorant ideology.

Guess Obama and Wright are praying for America’s chickens coming home to roost.

Obama is the master at putting lipstick on a pig’s lips. America is witnessing the biggest con game ever. I’ve never seen anyone so glib in my life. The people who vote for him deserve the next 4 years, I just worry for the rest of us.

Once again, when the going gets tough, Obama gives a speech to settle everything down.
He parades his little puppets out behind him and we’re all supposed to believe these people have been working on national security all along while Obama was preoccupied with the economic crisis.
I guess he will also be rewriting our dictionaries if he is elected.
“Call me if you need me” = “Preoccupied”

Ok people take your meds. Now think back to George I administration. Alqueda bombed the Trade centers right after Clinton was elected, they crash the planes into them right after Bush II was elected. Does anyone see a possible pattern here? Does not matter who gets elected Alqueda is going to try to use that time of transition to get in another shot reguarless of who is President. I would rather have no Drama Obama with his hand at the wheel than Hot tempered, knee jerk reaction MCCain and his sidekick little Miss Sure Shot.

“Once again, when the going gets tough, Obama gives a speech to settle everything down.”
Yes, its called being a leader.
When the going got tough for McCain, his campaign imploded.

Susan
How were you feeling about the last 8 years.
Did you vote for Bush?
If you did….here’s some payback.
Just think Susan… can it get worse.
we are in our worst position in a long long long time.

Every new President, no matter what his or her background is, will always be tested by enemies, foreign or domestic.
Ans usually in the first year in office. McCain will be tested, ro Obama will be tested. I personally think that a careful, well thought out response is better than an off the cuff response, so I prefer Obama.

The people who vote for him deserve the next 4 years,
——————-
My point exactly!
After 8 years of McBush politics, we DESERVE a true leader!
Can I put you down as a vote for Obama then?

> But only tested GHW Bush once. Just sayin
They only needed to test him once… check your bank balance lately? Just sayin.

Heck, I have a lot to say, but little time to say it. I’m going out knocking door to door showing my support for Barack. Hey, maybe of a few of you Republicans who think that delushing this site with comments will help you should try some grass roots efforts. Or, are you too comfortable sitting in your McMansions pushing fear through your limited voices in obscure articles on the web. Good Luck !! In case you need to be told directly – most of the country is tired of your Bush-like tactics. Time for a game change.

Your turn, get under the bus Joe.

Hellow Hallie! The Dems have been in control the last 8 years in Congress. The problem is the lame Rep. President going along with them on everything!

The Iranians tested Jimmy Carter. Who will test Obama? Obama will be another weakling like Carter.

Hello Hallie! The Dems have been in control the last 8 years in Congress. The problem is the lame Rep. President going along with them on everything!

Obama is right,sometimes you need to listen good to understand Biden.And if you read what Obama is saying ,you need to say he is right.And the McCaincamp like to make things the way they like.
The McCain camp are very good in make things they way .Now they are trying to
make something good for theme obout the endorsme from al-queda for McCain.
I think that McCain camp is behind the
Al-geada endorsme,something does not smelt right here.
The rep.. the McCain camp will do everything to winn.
I think that manny people gonna questions this Al-Qeada endorsme because manny people are seeing now the real face of the rep/McCain party and they know that the rep… wil do everything to win .

Hey folks
“REAL” AND “PRO” America is testing Obama right now.
He is doing just GREAT.

“The Iranians tested Jimmy Carter. Who will test Obama? Obama will be another weakling like Carter.”
The Iranians tested Carter?
ROFLMAO.
Right wingers love to just make things up.

He is too clever by half…this is going to suck if he wins. I am so sick of lawyering candidates…
So every time you stick your foot in your mouth, it is a “rhetorical flourish”?
Welcome to Obama’s world, we just live in it.

Obama dismissed it, the American public has not.

Ryan C:
Hostage crisis…Iranian revolution…
Not made up…

America, Do we really want another test of America like 9/11? Biden knows what will happen–listen to him!

This is just a distraction– let’s get on with real issues.

“Sadly enough, the election is being bought out by extreme wealth. It feels like a takeover by a man who has been given all kinds of credit for having accomplished so very little.”
The only good thing about him spending so much money on this election is that he’ll be broke 4 years from now. With the double-digit unemployment that his regime will bring the cult members will have no more money to donate to their Messiah. I’ll bet that he’ll be championing campaign finance reform and will demand that all candidates accept public financing for the good of the country.

Listen to Biden on this issue

He will be “TESTED here means that the New President will face a lot of challenges such as Ecomomy and our relationship with outside world which have been deteriorated in this eight years.

Why is it that Obama can dismiss anything that gets thrown at him and **poof** it goes away? Or he can say “it was a bonehead move” and everybody praises him?
It’s sad to say but this all comes down to race……If he was white he wouldn’t be able to get away with dismissing things he would have to answer like McCain and Plain have to.
Ladies and gentleman you are being sold Obama and it truly is disgusting!

robertotexmex
It looks to me like Obama is connecting to quite a few voters! Maybe you just missed something.

What? “So payroll taxes aren’t real taxes?” Concerned – then who in the heck is FICA?

Partnerships with whom? Terrorists? Iran? North Korea?

Why are there so many hate fill comments?
Just vote for the person you think will do the best job and let the cards fall where they may!!!! this country is headed for some serious division behind this election. Mr. Obama’s skin color will not determine his judgment on major issues. The guy can handle himself pretty well. Besides he has gone to the best school the US has to offer, so I trust his decision making capacity. this is such a DOUBLE STANDARD country no wonder people around the world just despise us, some of you people need to get over youselves and set a good example for your children and stop acting like little cry babbies!!!! Just shut up already!!!

Don’t drink the koolaid
It’s a free market, isn’t it? Just because someone is selling it, doesn’t mean you have to “buy” it. But others might want to. We call it democracy.

They have try everything(the McCain camp)to win but things are not going their way,NOW the only thing that they have is Al-Queda.
I realy do believe that somebody IN the
McCain camp is BEHIND this Al-Queda Endorsme for McCain.
This does not smellll right.
They are now trying to put fear in te people.I must say McCain have learn and look very good from/ad Bush .
Because McCain doing everything that Bush did.
And i realy do believe that their are manny people who wil agree with me>that the al-queda endorsme for McCain smelt worst than a death …… .

I see you all have not lost your fight :
GOOD! Because we have a lot to do. You! (the American people) are going to have to take back control of your elected government at every level, and set your government back on the right path of service to you, and the greater good of the World.
Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope of doing that now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best they can. Because the Bush McCain vote fraud, vote cheating, vote buying, vote manipulation machine is already hard at work to cheat you again. And we all know what a disaster that has been the past 8 years of Bush McCain.
Barack Obama and the democrats will need all the power you can give them at every level of government (Federal, State, County, and local City elected governments). Obama and the democrats will have an enormous mess to fix for the American people, and the rest of the World. A mess caused by the corrupt Bush McCain administration.
You see, starting back in 2000, and before 911, it was mostly the Republican governors, Republican legislatures, and county elected Republican officials that conspired with the corrupt Bush McCain administration to raise college, and university tuitions by the fastest, and highest rate increases in American history. Some state tuitions went up by as much as a WHOPPING! 30% in one year.
The reason the Bush McCain administration did this was to force struggling working class kids into the military to pay for the sudden jump in tuition. Which was forced on them by the corrupt Bush McCain administration, and their corrupt Republican Governors, and republican controlled state legislatures.
See, Bush McCain had plans to get us into all these immoral, foolish, criminal, and unnecessary wars from the start. So they could use these wars to seize power, and later to get reelected. But, for their evil plan to work they needed more volunteer soldiers struggling to pay for an education whose blood they could spill to help them seize more power. Remember Bush McCain’s “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!” theatrics.
The exploitation, and lost lives of these finest Americans is despicable, disgusting, immoral, corrupt and criminal. And it makes me SICK, and ANGRY!
You will have to vote for Obama, and the democrats in overwhelming numbers to overcome the Bush McCain vote fraud machine. Vote early if you can. Then help your fellow Americans cast their votes now, and on through election day. Vote for Obama, and the democrats like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of “Let Them Eat Cake” Bush McCain, and their republican allies.
Just look at the mess we have now.
You can fix this mess with your votes for Obama, and the democrats. And REMEMBER, no matter which of us may stumble or fall, the rest of you must continue to surge forward for Barack Obama, and the democrats, and for your-selves most of all. The children, and the World are counting on us.
It’s in your hands now. And I know you will get it done.
God bless all of you.
JACK SMITH – WORKING CLASS… :-)

govote08: ” this country is headed for some serious division behind this election.”
I think you may be underestimating how bad it is already under “I’m a uniter” President Bush’s Republican party. It can really only get better.

“Besides he has gone to the best school the US has to offer, so I trust his decision making capacity.”
So has Bush.

O.K. I need your help. For those planning to vote for Obama for president of the United States of America, I need your help! Please explain to me why you would vote for Obama when:
His lack of experience is extraordinary. Serving in Congress for 140 some days gives him the experience to run the leading country in the world? In his own words on TV he said he ‘would not run on an ’08 national ticket because he wouldn’t have enough experience’.
He states on political ads that he is strongly opposed to lobbyists, when, in fact, he himself has over 40 lobbyists.
He expounds on his political ads that his economics bill will help America, when, in fact, his 111 economic policies were combined into a proposal that lost 99-0; even he voted against it.
In the past se veral years he has received over $700,000,000 in entitlements (commonly known as pork barrel). In comparison, John McCain had $0.
He said he had passed laws extending health care for wounded troops when in fact he did not even note of the issue, nor is there any evidence of any material support for the bill.
He stated that ‘we passed out of the U.S. Senate Banking Committee, which is my committee, a bill of divestment from Iran’; fact is, he is not even a member of that committee.
He served 7 years in the Illinois legislature without sponsoring one significant piece of legislation; he did write 2 books about himself.
He called the ‘Sermon on the Mount’ a radical Biblical passage and mocked the book of Deuteronomy (which contains the 10 commandments).
While on the Illinois legislature, he voted for partial birth abortion. Regardless of how he tries to downplay this in recent campaign ads , he voted for it. Also supported a similar bill in the US Senate, which was opposed by almost every other senator, democrat and republican.
He voted ‘no’ on notifying parents of minors who get out-of -state abortions.
He questions imposing harsh penalties for drug dealers, preferring to deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
He opposed the ‘Patriot Act’.
He supports granting driver’s licenses to illegal aliens.
He supports extending welfare to illegal aliens.
He voted ‘yes’ to allow illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
He voted ‘no’ on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
He voted ‘no’ on repealing the Death Tax.
He supports raising the Capital Gains Tax.
He still maintains the surge in Iraq has not worked.
He supported Pastor Jeremiah Wright even after the pastor had ‘God Damned’ America over an over. Only changed his position when he saw the political damage that would result from his continued support.
He has a wife who, though she had received many benefits (including a college education) from being an American, said she was never proud to be an American until her husband was nominated for president.
He has a wife who write in her thesis in college ‘There is not doubt in my mind as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost’.
He stated in one of his books that ‘I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievence and animosity against my mother’s race’.
He stated in one of his books that ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction’. (That comment should provide a lot of solace to the Jewish population)
He has c lose associations and ties with radical ministers(Jeremiah Wright), extremist bombers(William Ayers), Muslim Radicals(Louis Farrakhan).
He was a lawyer for, and received significant donations from, ACORN which is currently under investigation for voter fraud that nationwide could run into the 100,000′s or more.
He chose, when having an opportunity to meet with US troops overseas – to go to a gym on the base and work out.
He chose, in public, not to salute the flag or put his hand over his heart when saying the pledge of allegiance. A little thing, maybe, but it goes a long way toward character and setting an example as a leader.
He says that he will tax large businesses and corporations to raise the necessary money to support his programs. First, given the present economic situation, raising those taxes should REALLY help boost the economy! Second, if taxes on businesses and corporations were increased SIGNIFICANTLY, the money raised would only be a drop in the bucket compared to what Obama is proposing to spend. Guess who will get to ‘kick in’ the rest of the money – doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that one out.
I acknowledge that many of our current problems are not the fault of the president (as the MEDIA would have everyone believe). CONGRESS MAKES THE LAWS!!! Our present problems are primarily the fault of the Congress, of which both McCain and Obama are members. I’m for getting rid of every current congressman; we may as well, they certainly haven’t done anything so a totally new group couldn’t do any worse(can anyone say TERM LIMITS for congressmen?).
I admit that Obama is a gifted speaker and has charisma, much more than John McCain. I also admit that I have some reservations with McCain. But some of the things mentioned above about Obama cause me GREAT CONCERN. I welcome any feedback. I realize the Media will never make an issue of most of this. That does not make it any less real.

“Where did I say they weren’t? Senator Government gives income tax refunds to people who pay no income tax. Why you think that has anything to do with payroll taxes boggles my mind.”
Because you keep saying people who don’t pay taxes are getting tax cuts. Those people are paying taxes.
If you pay ZERO taxes, no income or payroll taxes. You get nothing.
Yet again pathetic Concerned in OH can’t make his point without lying.
And of course your mind is boggled, you only have right wing talking points & lies to spew even though in your dark little heart you know they are lies.

He will be “TESTED here means that the New President will face a lot of challenges such as Ecomomy and our relationship with outside world which have been deteriorated in this eight years.
Mccain and his running mate are just trying to fool people. The swift boat won’t work this time, not this year. Enough is Enough. We aren’t stupid. The Americans aren’t either.

Concerned:
I like Ryan, he is very smart and has brought up a lot of good points…
…however, he does have a tendency to overstate the wonders of his candidate’s platform via cut and paste…he has an inability to see hypocrisy in his own camp and a hyper-amplified tendency to see the opposition in anything but black and white terms. “right wingers” are mean, stupid, liars, etc. (not that conservatives aren’t guilty of this, too – see the overstated attacks on “liberals,” etc.)
It’s a logical fallacy called “counting the hits and ignoring the misses.” A minor example – Palin does not give press conferences = sin. Biden doesn’t either = bzsbsjlskfaj(cognitive dissonance) who cares – Obama is awesome!
Maybe Palin should give more press conferences…still, shouldn’t both receive equal criticism and/or praise for the same acts or omissions?
Sorry, rambling. Hi Ryan!

Biden was the absolute WORST choice that Obama could have made for VP, short of George W. Bush. Biden has been around as long as McCain, which shows you just how much “change” there is in the Obama camp, and Biden has the bad habit of constantly spewing forth STUPID things! However, Biden’s spewings occasionally provide us with some good insight into the Obama camp, such as when he told blacks to vote for Obama to be true to their race. Can you imagine what ABC, CNN, NBC, and the rest of them would be screaming if Palin said that white people should vote for McCain because he is white?! Don’t say it out loud if there are children near. For that matter, don’t say it out loud if you are within 5 miles of civilization. This is one of the reasons that the Big 3 of the media have been losing viewers recently. (Check Drudge Report for this and much more.) People are finally realizing what the media want, and are downright tired of it.

Not For Obama…Im voting for Obama because he is white! And white is right..right?

Omentum:
I would rather cling to my bible than put my hopes in Obama. He is a deceiver and a liar. Wake up America!
I wonder if he gets elected if he will swear in by putting his hand on the bible or not. It will be too late after that. Then the truth will come out about his faith and not the lies he tells right now to convince the weak-minded. Like you!

Good ole “Mega Mouth” Biden, but what the real issue here is “Where did Sarah Palin buy her wardrobe at?”. Yes, oh yes, that’s the number one item of the day folks. By the way, the US won’t be tested after Obama is elected, it will be nuked. Most countries know now that the US is totally unprepared for anything, so nuking us won’t be something they will think twice about. Get your fallout shelter ready.

Joe Biden is right, Obama will be tested because most leaders like Putin, Shavez, Ahmedenijad can’t wait to have an American president that is clueless about Foreign Policy and who thinks he can negotiate with anybody. These leaders will have Obama for breakfast. If Obama wins, America loses.

Obama puts another Palin/McCain canard in the ground before it even gets off. Times getting short republiCons. Alas, 89 more freaking days though before shrubbo and darth leave. There’s going to need to be quite a decontaminating process at theh White House and Naval Observatory, I hear Tom DeLay is back in the extermination game since his little RepubliCon revolution went off the tracks.

To Not For Obama…very good post… I commend you… AMEN!!!!!

Wade
It’s true that we should be honest about the faults of all candidates (in our own mind at least). But this is not where people come to be honest. I think itt is always become polarized in a forum like this. All of the lies and smears from one side just makes the other side more defensive, and less willing to give any ground.

Obama dismisses Bidens comments WHAT A SURPRISE. He dismisses everyones comments and questions and gets away with it. Why should it be a different for his V.P. choice he so nobley picked beacause he has such great respect for his foreign affairs background and knowlege. Now he dismisses him….He couldn’t even be honest in his reason for picking Biden, he wanted the white, blue collar vote and he didn’t want Hillary because she would overshadow him with her real eligbilty and substance.

This is a perfect example of one sided journalism. If Palin would have said what Biden said she would have been barbequed. I honestly never heard of Barak Obama OR Joe Biden before the Dem ticket. I never heard of Sarah Palin either. I can’t believe Americans would hand over our country to someone who can’t clearly state what direction he wants to take it in. He is saying things without really saying anything. I don’t trust him and I never will trust him. My country is too important to me to vote for someone who could ruin it. I don’t take chances like that. At least I know John McCain would do anything possible, even if it isn’t popular, to keep us safe. Please be smart America.

What executive decision has McCain made exactly?
Would that be NONE.
Your hypocracy is pathetic.
According to FOX:
Al Qaeda-Linked Web Site Backs McCain
Well ,if Al Qaeda backs McCain, I think I’ll back Obama. You Pubs have fun with your AlQaeda friends.
The irony is too classic!

Posted by: Miguel | Oct 22, 2008 1:45:05 PM
VERY INTERESTING!!
DON’T YOU THINK IT KIND OF FUNNY HOW EVERYONE RAN TO CHURCH AFTER 9/11 AND NOW THE FAITHFUL ARE JUST “CLINGING TO GUNS AND RELIGION”???
YES, GOD DOES HAVE A PLAN AND HE KNOWS WHATS BEST FOR US.

Thanks “Not for Obama” – Worth repeating:
BHO opposed the ‘Patriot Act’.
BHO supports granting driver’s licenses to illegal aliens.
BHO supports extending welfare to illegal aliens.
BHO voted ‘yes’ to allow illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
He voted ‘no’ on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
He voted ‘no’ on repealing the Death Tax.
He supports raising the Capital Gains Tax.
He still maintains the surge in Iraq has not worked.
He supported Pastor Jeremiah Wright even after the pastor had ‘God Damned’ America over an over. Only changed his position when he saw the political damage that would result from his continued support.
He has a wife who, though she had received many benefits (including a college education) from being an American, said she was never proud to be an American until her husband was nominated for president.
He has a wife who write in her thesis in college ‘There is not doubt in my mind as a member of the black community, I am obligated to this community and will utilize my present and future resources to benefit the black community first and foremost’.
He stated in one of his books that ‘I found solace in nursing a pervasive sense of grievence and animosity against my mother’s race’.
He stated in one of his books that ‘I will stand with the Muslims should the political winds shift in an ugly direction’. (That comment should provide a lot of solace to the Jewish population)
He has c lose associations and ties with radical ministers(Jeremiah Wright), extremist bombers(William Ayers), Muslim Radicals(Louis Farrakhan).
He was a lawyer for, and received significant donations from, ACORN which is currently under investigation for voter fraud that nationwide could run into the 100,000′s or more.
He chose, when having an opportunity to meet with US troops overseas – to go to a gym on the base and work out.

Idiots the both of them..

Ryan:
I am not sure what you are talking about when you say “plot.”
I think the concern is that Biden has some crazy notion that the bad guys will be encouraged to “test” Obama…somebody said that Obama will react to such a “test” as Carter did to the Iranian revolution and hostage situation, which is to say ineffectively and weakly. I would even concur further that he might react as Clinton did in Somalia,or with Rwanda, that is very weakly.
You replied that you were rolling on the floor laughing your a++ off, and implied that such a suggestion was made up.
I don’t think that the gentleman was saying that he thought there was some conspiracy afoot, but rather that he fears that Biden’s prediction comes true, and that Obama fails to respond appropriately, just as Carter’s administration did…
Biden may have even been obliquely referencing the Cuban Missle Crisis, because he mentioned that Obama would be tested in the same way as Kennedy (!?)…obviously I would hope that Obama did not invite aggressors to expand their power as Kennedy did through weak negotiations with a deadly enemy…you don’t come to the table of the mafia boss to beg partnership without a good reason, but Obama does not recognize that these nations really are not just like every other country, but with different concerns…
With regard to the Lebanon bombings, I would say that was a failure on Reagan’s part in response to a test on the world stage…he would probably admit the same…, although I don’t have time to look it up.

To the person: NotForObama, pasting extra paragraphs of lies and outright distortions doesn’t help this discussion. I get your position but your pseudo facts aren’t just misleading, they’re offensive.

As for the person asking if Palin gives me a queasy feeling the answer is no. She is not as polished as Biden, but I trust her. I trust her to make the right decision and not to put up with any bull along the way. I’ll take common sense over political smoothness any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

it truly amazes me the ignorance of people on this comment blog- Your choice is simple McSame or Change. Smears are used on both sides to distract so put them aside and read people! McCain openly admits to “voting with Bush 90% of the time” in his last senate race to win… do we really need 4 more years of the same failed policies and ideas??? The 700 billion $ “bailout” is socialism at its finest and McSame is proposing and additional “bailout” and mortgage “bailout” now call me crazy here but who’s the socialist again???

Republic Defender
Thise lies didn’t suddenly become true in the 10 minutes since somebody else posted them.

jock59801:
“this is not where people come to be honest…”
I think you might be right about that, sadly…

To Not For Obama: I am wondering why Obama waited until his last year in the Illinois legislature to put his name on bills. He did not “write” legislation, he signed on to existing legislation. The only writing he did was the bill requiring Exelon to report spills, since they had contaminated the ground water and then did not report it for 7 years. Oh wait. After Exelon gave him $227,000 he took out the requirement to report dangerous spills.
If he was a constitutional scholar, why did he not provide his record of live birth to prove he is qualified to be President.

>If elected, Obama will be the least experienced president since Jimmy Carter.
If elected McCain would be the worst saber ratteler since Bush.

“i use to think cnn was biased which brought me to abc in the first place now it appears to be a race to see which (abc, cnn) can run cover and spin for obama more effectively.”
There are less and less places to turn. BBC is a decent source for news. I haven’t watched or read CNN in weeks. Hit them where it hurts, their sponsors.

–Obama can learn fast because he’s real and smart–
Jesus, I hope so Chris. We are about to turn the reins over to a guy with literally no practical experience. The least amount in our history, at the worst possible time. I hope to god he’s the savior all of you think it he, I can’t shake this bad feeling though. And McCain is not a good alternative. God Help Us.

When John McCain loses, he will have written the last chapter of a long and taxpayer-funded government career. McCain has never earned money on his own merit in the private sector, so maybe that’s why he’s so fascinated with Joe the Plumber. He’s amazed that someone actually made money without family contacts. However, even Joe, like old John, has turned out to be a right-wing gimmick.

Ah, America, Land of Opportunity. Certainly not Land of Unity!

Wow. After reading these comments, I’m 100% glad that I am in the process of moving out of a once great nation.

John McCain pals around with theives and drug addicts. (Oh wait, that’s his wife)
If that was Obama, Hannity, Limbaugh, and the rest of the facist regime would never let it go. But for McCain, shhhh.
John McCain’s running mate is guilty of violating ethics and abusing power.
John McCain pals around with a man who took billions from American’s life’s savings. McCain took $100,000 for his own campiagn and used the guy’s vaction homes. Now THAT’S paling around!
John McCain’s running mate changed documentation on her public expense accounts to HIDE she was misusing public funds for her own personal benefit.

Barack Obama is taking America down a path modeled by Jimmy Carter, and threatens to be as bad a president as his trailblazer. A unlikely guide unwittingly will help make the case.
Carter was certified as the One in the closing benediction at the 1976 Democratic convention, given by no less a figure than the father of Martin Luther King, Jr. Televised on all three networks (the entire visual media at the time), the benediction heralded Jimmy Carter as someone sent to redeem the country: “Surely the Lord sent Jimmy Carter to come on out and bring America back where she belongs.”

Joe the Plumber said on FOX last night, “Obama’s tax policies are breading mediocrity”.
He understands that if you tax people too much they will stop working hard. Or they might switch to cash economy. Either way tax revenues go down.
Joe the Plumber gets it, Obama does not.
In the Soviet Union people used to say, “YOU PRETEND THAT YOU PAY, I PRETEND I WORK”, Joe understand, Obama doesn’t

This is directed to those who are “Not for Obama”. There is nothing I am going to say which would ever change your mind… you just simply don’t like Obama, as I’m sure you didn’t care for John Kerry…and you probably didn’t vote for Bill Clinton, either. MY reasons for being FOR OBAMA reflect a much broader perspective, one which embraces the need for the USA to convey a new, energetic and, yes, multi-racial image to the world. As someone who was raised abroad and travels continually, I can tell you unequivocally that the election of Obama would provide the USA with enormous power in the world. All of a sudden, many leaders as well as those groups who were inclined to “hate” the USA, would be taken aback… and would be amazed that the USA just may be a “beacon of hope” after all!!! Contrary to right-wing “talking heads”, the election of Obama would be a big blow to “America-haters” abroad…I would venture to say that it would be a nightmare for them…precisely because a President Obama would be given the “benefit of the doubt”. It is our job as Americans to make sure that Obama doesn’t squander that historic opportunity…

Here is why we don’t spread the wealth around.
Suppose that every day, ten men go out for beer and the bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:
The first four men (the poorest) would pay nothing.
The fifth would pay $1.
The sixth would pay $3.
The seventh would pay $7.
The eighth would pay $12.
The ninth would pay $18.
The tenth man (the richest) would pay $59.
So, that’s what they decided to do. The ten men drank in the bar every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement, until one! day, the owner threw them a curve. ‘Since you are all such good customers, he said, ‘I’m going to reduce the cost of your daily beer by $20. Drinks for the ten now cost just $80.
The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes, so the first four men were unaffected. They would still drink for free. But what about the other six men – the paying customers? How could they divide the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his ‘fair share?’ They realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody’s share, then the fifth man and the sixth man would each end up being paid to drink his beer. So, the bar owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man’s bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay.
And so: The fifth man, like the first four, now paid nothing (100% savings)
The sixth now paid $2 instead of $3 (33%savings).
The seventh now pay $5 instead of $7 (28%savin! gs).
T he eighth now paid $9 instead of $12 (25% savings).
The ninth now paid $14 instead of $18 (22% savings).
The tenth now paid $49 instead of $59 (16% savings).
Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to drink for free. But onc e outside the restaurant the men began to compare their savings.
‘I only got a dollar out of the $20,’declared the sixth man. He pointed to the tenth man,’ but he got $10!’
‘Yeah, that’s right,’ exclaimed the fifth man. ‘I only saved a dollar, too. It’s unfair that he got ten times more than I!’
‘That’s true!!’ shouted the seventh man. ‘Why should he get $10 back when I got only two? The wealthy get all the breaks!’
‘Wait a minute,’ yelled the first four men in unison. ‘We didn’t get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!’
The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up.
The next night the tenth man didn’t show up for drinks, so the nine sat down and had beers without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered something important. They didn’t have enough money between all of them for even half of the bill!
And that, boys and girls, journalists and college professors, is how our tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up anymore. In fact, they might start drinking overseas where the atmosphere is somewhat friendlier.
David R. Kamerschen, Ph.D.
Professor of Economics , University of Georgia
For those who understand, no explanation is needed.
For those who do not understand, no explanation is possible.

“and a little blow when I could afford it”.

Reading all your comments is nothing short of entertaining. Does not really matter at this point.
Obama is winning and will win so get over it.

mj posted
Why don’t you do some research on Obama and his cousin Raila Odinga. Obama campaigned for him. Odinga used the same “Hope and Change” slogan in his campaign. Take a look at what happened when he lost the election in Kenya. Obama…Where is a vault copy of your BC?
All have been debunked by MULTIPLE organizations.
For instance on Odinga, which is a story promoted by Jerome Corsi:
“During a visit to Kenya in 2006, Obama and his wife, Michelle, arranged to take an AIDS test to publicly demonstrate the test’s safety. While there, Obama spoke to the assembled crowd. Raila Odinga, one of the two candidates running for president, was on the stage when Obama spoke. Corsi concludes that the event constituted an endorsement of Odinga. He goes on to attribute all the violence in Kenya to an elaborate Odinga plot.
Corsi, however, offers no evidence that Obama actually did endorse Odinga. In fact, MSNBC reported that during that same trip, Obama also met with Mwai Kibaki, who was Odinga’s opponent in that election, as well as with opposition leader Uhuru Kenyatta. And Human Rights Watch reported that both Odinga and Kibaki (or their supporters, anyway) had a hand in the violence that followed the election.” – FactCheck
More on Corsi:
“Corsi is a renowned conspiracy theorist who says that George Bush is attempting to create a North American Union (we looked at that here) and that there is evidence that the World Trade Center may have collapsed because it was seeded with explosives. More recently, Corsi claimed that Obama released a fake birth certificate. We’ve debunked that twice now. And, as our colleagues at PolitiFact.com found, many of the themes in “The Obama Nation” are reworked versions of bogus chain e-mail smears.” – FactCheck
FactCheck is part of the Annenberg Foundation, which is led by Leonore Annenberg, the widow of Walter Annenberg former Ambassador under Reagan. She has also endorsed McCain this election.

John: so are you for taking money away from families that have build success over generations?

“”and a little blow when I could afford it”.
Who would you rather your children look up to; a clean living Governor, or someone who makes a statement like the one above?

Biden’s comments, however inarticulate, were meant to convey to supporters his personal sense that Obama would weather the inevitable crises “with steel in his spine” – with strength and dtermination.
Only out of context do Joe’s words mean anything else. Republican strategy 101 – take what you want to hear and spin that: i.e. Palin’s censure by AK Senate committee..means i’m ‘not guilty of a crime!!’, Colin Powell’s eloquent endorsement..but they only heard…’I'm still a Republican’, and this one – Obama will be tested in crisis with a spne of steel atually means …’he’s gonna cause a lot of trouble’.
Sad.

Sarah Palin was right when she said can you imagine what the media would do to her if she had said what Biden said! She would have been crucified! Biden and Obama get by with anything that they want to say but not McCain or Palin!

Wade,
The discussion was about pushing a new President to see how he would react.
Someone offered up the Iranian revolution.
I laughed at that suggestion that the Iranians were somehow out to test Carter 3 years into his Presidency.
Do you think the Iranians were testing Carter?

So let me get this straight. The Republican Party wants to give tax credits and breaks to big business and wealthy Americans so that these businesses and individuals, bolstered by their even greater wealth, will be inspired to create more jobs, and therefore revive the economy.
The Democrats want to levy a higher tax on large businesses and wealthy Americans to pay for a tax cut for “the other 95%” of Americans, so that the majority of the people in this country, bolstered by having a little more money available, will be inspired to buy more things, which in turn will require business to create more jobs, and therefore revive the economy.
Haven’t we learned these last few weeks that letting the rich get richer only inspires, in McCain’s words, greedy behavior – as opposed to an urgent desire to create jobs for goods and services that few can afford?
Haven’t we progressed far enough to be able to reason out that supply and demand will ensure that if we create the demand, the supply will come, regardless of a 3% higher tax on income over $250K?
Why is this even an issue?
In the end, ALL politicians spread the wealth around. Some spread it from the bottom up, and others spread it from the top down. One way is just as socialist as the next…which is to say, neither approach is socialist.
Let’s stop arguing about ideology and start arguing about reality. We’ll have a lot less to argue about.

Susan:
You bring up an interesting point. Even with regard to Europe, why are we so excited for them to be pleased? Why would they want the US to be more “multilateral?” Do Europeans have any self-interest or is it pure altruism.
Also, don’t have the numbers in front of me, but Europeans believe at an alarming percentage that the US masterminded 9/11. Why do we care what these conspiracy theory driven anti-American countries think about our presidency? Could it be a weaker America means a stronger X country?
In addition, why would we be excited if say, the Syrian president preferred Obama, or the Chinese communist party?
To me, that is a concern.

Obama should know something of “Rhetorical Flourishes. His whole campaign is based upon them.

“Who would you rather your children look up to; a clean living Governor, or someone who makes a statement like the one above?
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“I can’t claim a Bill Clinton and say that I never inhaled.” says Gov. Sarah Palin on her pot smoking.”
Touche.

Joe is really attempting to have BO lose this election. You just keep going Joe the Senator. Nothing like ABC putting on the new line up first. That is right Jim Jones followers. It was ‘rhetorical flourish’. It was a very telling statement. The US does not need a generated crisis for a test. The US needs someone in the White House that will not be tested because he has been tested already.

When did joe the plumber become an expert on the economy. They had him on some tv news channesl asking him all this questions that were way over his head. Forget him. He does not grasp the complexity of the whole issue and we should just ignore this dude. McCain is as old as the dirt and he should also just take a chill pill and find a nursing home to take him in. Sarah Palin should just go home and leave the politics to those who can say more than her rehearsed lines.

It is unbelievable to me that this is the TOP STORY on abcnews. How about the fact that Sarah Palin, the “government reformer” has edited every expense report to compensate the fact that she illegally used taxpayer money to fly her gaggle of children all over the United States? Isn’t that a top story for today? What about the fact that in an interview she stated she is looking forward to getting to work with the Senate as its leader so she can reform how it operates. GET A CLUE, NUMBSKULL and read the Constitution. The Vice President serves absolutely no role in the Senate with the exception of serving as a tie-breaking voter. Unbelievable how much of a moron McCain is for picking this twit, and how brazen of her to say “yes”. Get a life Mr. Tapper…find a better story than some non-issue sentence that Senator Biden said.

I saw a sign on a church once that said “Lord help us accept our responsibilities before we demand our rights.” Obama’s lead is not surprising. The people who get free stuff will always support the politicians who promise to give them more free stuff. When discussing the American Revolution, a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747 – 1813), was attributed as saying. “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.” Americans reached that moment with FDR’s New Deal and have been tumbling down the path of self destruction every since. Today over half of the households in America receive a regular monthly check from the government and nearly half (44%) pay no income taxes at all. Just how long do you think we can continue on this path? Obama’s socialist policies will break the will or drive off tax-paying American Capitalists until there is no one left to pay for all of his socialist programs.

To “Not For Obama” Did you come up with all those “facts” on your own, or did you steal them from some Fox News (oxymoron) rag? I can see you are a true Republican: KEEP TELLING THE SAME LIES UNTIL YOU BELIEVE THEM
Just because some fool prints something doen’t make it true.
OBAMA / BIDDEN ’08

Because, all the other costs from these bigger corporations will trickle down to all of YOU.
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Why is giving a tax cut to the wealthy considered “conservative”? Yet, a tax cut for the middle class is considered ‘welfare”?
Yup, like taxing health benefits as McCain has proposed. That is going to hurt.

Most people in my generation have lived a full life, in spite of the not-so-great leaders we have chosen during the past few generations. However, every president that has served, though imperfect and flawed, has not given Americans the DISASTER THAT IS ABOUT TO ENGULF OUR COUNTRY IF SENATOR OBAMA AND HIS ANTI-AMERICAN, SOCIALISTS, ACORN-MENTALITY CORRUPT FRIENDS MOVE INTO THE WHITE HOUSE. Old-timers in my generation have lived their lives and we have been productive. Those young voters supporting Senator Obama have no idea what it will mean when the fabric of our society is changed into a socialistic-welfare state where left-wing politicians redistribute the wealth using our tax system so that their freeloading, do nothing, refusing to work friends can receive the fruits of labor by Joe-the-Plummer type hard working Americans. Senator Obama’s freeloaders will never produce one job, period, but they will be a drain on every hardworking American, including young and old. Based on 4 years of an “Obama Administration”, every young voter had better prepare for 20 or 30 MORE years of low paying jobs and/or no work, with one major exception: Look for ACORN –type workers to fill every hall in the White House.

Let me say this again! John McCain (Did Not Want to be President ) Now,? He will used this for all it’s worth….

A word to the Obama faithful: Be careful what you wish for.

Joe was just warning us that if we don’t support John McCain sometime next year that red phone in the White House will ring at 3:00 AM and an inexperienced community organizer might answer it and get us all killed.

This post has been pulled twice, what aren’t you supposed to know?! … Copy the link fast and spread the word!
The TESTING IS NEARLY COMPLETE.
The more I learn, the more I realize that I, and most everyone else are “Useful Idiots”. —- Watch this video from a Russian defector in 1985: This is happening just like the he said it would
Please! Please! Take 15 minutes, listen with your heart, and pass this on!

When Obama discontinues the Bush tax cuts ALL of you are going to pay higher taxes. Don’t believe me, go and do some homework on the actual figures instead of acting like sheep. Obama, depending on the crowd, usually says that we are going to return to the taxes of the Clinton administration. Are you nimrods aware of the fact that during the Clinton administration you paid HIGHER taxes then you do now? So, all of you that pay taxes are now going to pay more and those that don’t pay taxes get a check. Hey, if I were down on my luck, and we all may soon be, and somebody told me I would get a check only if I voted for them, I’d probably do it also. Tax payers will pay more. I’d be willing to bet that the “check” never gets there in the mail. After he gets the crown, he doesn’t need you anymore. Has it ever dawned on you folks that a democratic led congress has done absolutely nothing for anybody in two years? Do you see the 9th ward being rebuilt? Do you see children getting healthcare? Did you see anybody stop the mad dash for your investments and cash until the they couldn’t milk it anymore? You are already saying that you give congress a 14% appoval rating. Do you really want this bunch of clowns to have a filibuster proof army that can overrun anything by anybody at will? Even if McCain were the worst man on earth, there needs to be somebody that can stop some of what the loon patrol has in mind for this country. If you don’t know Pelosi and Reid, do some homwork and take a good look at their agenda. By the way, if you pay taxes you already got your check. Bush gave it to you. But, it didn’t help the economy a bit. Do you honestly think that there is any money to give you all of these entitlements that Obama is promising you? I think a lot of the people in this country have forgotten what we are suppose to stand for. Forget about standing up and being counted. It’s now more about “I’m entitled” and my daddy Obama is going to breast feed me. Well, I’ll tell you something that milk is going to get sour very quickly after he highjacks the election from a bunch of lazy, uncaring idiots that have no clue.

Ryan:
In the words of your man Obama, “look, let me be as clear as I possibly can” (add artificially deep voice in your mind).
You are injecting something in the discussion that isn’t there. No one suggested that these other countries would be “out” to test Obama.
BIDEN suggested that there might be an aggressor nation that sparks an international crisis, perhaps because they are encouraged by Obama’s comments on military action. They would know that he would be less likely to look to a military solution. So, such a crisis emerges, maybe more likely than if McCain were president. BIDEN’s comment was that Obama would appear to be wrong at first (?) with whatever action he took.
The gentleman you rolled on the floor over…I think was pointing out that Obama’s reticence for quick action might mirror Carter’s during such a crisis. The results of that crisis might not end up being too great if it is even a sliver of the roots of the Cuban Missle Crisis, as BIDEN implied in his “rhetorical flourish,” and Obama responds along the lines of Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, etc.
He might be wrong, and Obama will handle the situation with tact and brilliance.
However, it is a legitimate argument, not worth an injection of something that isn’t there and certainly not deserving of a roll on the floor whilst you are laughing you a++ off for Obama.

Susan–Obama is far less risky than is another four years of Republican policies. Take a look around you to see what eight years of Republican rule will do to a country. We need dramatic change. Change by someone who is intelligent and thoughtful and can surround himself with experienced expertise and get the best input to make the right decisions. McCain has made it abundantly clear the style he uses to select those surrounding him. We need to look no further than Palin. I, for one, think this is way over the top risky decision making and will pray we don’t have to deal with four more years of incompetent leadership.

It is amazing to me how the Republican “ditto-heads” are showing their desperation this close to the elections. They don’t care if they foment racial strife or violence, (the dead bear that was killed and left on a college campus with an Obama banner wrapped around it’s head) they would say or do anything to get elected, no matter how foul or venal.
Pay close attention America, to what comes out of the mouths of Palin and McCain. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and these are desperate times indeed for Republicans.
Thanks for tearing apart our country McCain and company, just what we need in rough times–for Americans to be divided.

I’m wondering why Obama waited so much to clarify it.

Mack!
Please help me spread this around!
I know that there are so many books, articles, explanations about what we should believe … but Yuri Bezmenov’s statements hit home more than anything I have ever seen or heard.

>>Joe the Plumber said on FOX last night, “Obama’s tax policies are breading mediocrity”.
He understands that if you tax people too much they will stop working hard. Or they might switch to cash economy. Either way tax revenues go down.
Joe the Plumber gets it, Obama does not.<<
I mean, who do you think is going to buy that argument from a nobody, uneducated, unlicenced plumber from Ohio? Oh Ok, Joe the Plumber master of economics has spoken!
Even though Obama will give 95% of working class americans include this idiot a tax cut Joe says something that makes no sense!
All hail Joe, the american mascot and poster child – uncultured, uneduducated, ignorant, everyman neocon!
Thats the best McCain and Fox have? Do you understand how rediculously insulting this is to the average persons intelligence? It not even close to factually true!

Anybody ever notice with MSM that once the pro-mccain comments exceed the pro-obama comments, that post start getting deleted, or “Headline News” changes ? MSM is trying everything too alter the outcome of this election (kinda like Ohio & Acorn regarding those 200 thousand non-verifiable voter registrations application/cards). They want to sway the Independents (me) too camp Obama. Watch and see how fast this comment gets deleted. Biden’s remarks are spot on and look how long it took MSM to report them !

GOP is a political party short of original ideas. It simply dosen’t have any potential or energy to come up with a plan or strategy of its own. It must be a great shame to every Republican that they have to wait for the words dropping from the mouths of the Democrats to shape up their campaign strategy. It is well evident from this episode that the Republicans have started living by the discarded words of the Democrats. Do any human consume the excreta of others? Yes, Republicans do consume it.

Jim texas – That was quite an impressive group of people behind him in the news conference. I even saw My old Senator Sam Nunn. Definately a good move. He maybe green but he knows it and has surrounded himself with what appear to be top motch people. Now if we can just get Joe to be a bit more clear in his remarks. Again Alqueida is going to test anyone in the Oval Office and the most logical time would be in those first six months when the transition is occuring. It happened with Clinton and with Bush and it will happen with Obama or MCcain.

Jeff – I am a lifelong democrat and I supported Hillary. I wouldn’t think of voting for a Republican except that I’ve been watching Obama evolve (change) for well over a year. He is one of the smoothest politicians I have ever seen. I think government is way too big and too involved in my life as it is. Even though I am a liberal when it comes to social issues, neither party represents me any more. Obama is way too, too liberal for me. I don’t think of McCain as just another Republican and I find Palin refreshing. I’d rather take a chance with someone who has been around for awhile than another questionable character. In that respect, Obama is much more like Bush than McCain.

Latest AP poll released 55 mins ago show McCain and Obama dead even in the election. Maybe that’s why the news media is hitting McCain and Palin so hard now.

NEEDED a reporter that will report on Obama and his baggage. Unbiased.

All these people who idolize Obama are in for a rude awakening.. When they lose their jobs and have to be kept by the government. When those that do work have to pay a huge portion of their wage in taxes. When their free speech is curtailed. When they are not allowed to own a gun. When their travel will be curtailed, then they will wake up, but it will be too late. America will be a socialist country and all our rights will be lost.

“The Iranians tested Jimmy Carter. Who will test Obama? Obama will be another weakling like Carter.”
Here’s the original statement, Wade.
“The gentleman you rolled on the floor over…I think was pointing out that Obama’s reticence for quick action might mirror Carter’s during such a crisis.”
Perhaps you are injecting a bit?

I just love Obama’s eloquence. Only 13 days til victory!!!!

I don’t know why McCain doesn’t compare Obama to Carter and say that if you want 4 more years of Carter, vote for Obama.

Valerie Tarantolo we have already lost our jobs overseas, thanks to height years of a republican administration. WE have an monstrous deficit, we fight two war and we hare in recession. hello!!!! wake up, don’t you see?

Obama dismisses Biden. Is anyone surprised, he dismisses everything he doen’t want to answer to. He seems to be above the laws and laws of the land, and the media is letting him. He has not explained his relationships with all the thugs in his life,(that were the only friends he had) no birth certificate, no nothing. If he doesn’t want to answer then he just ignores the question or changes the subject. What a moron, and I can’t believe American People are falling fo rthis garbage

Stump:
You forgot AP: Obama is only up by 1.
They just said that these polls do not mean a thing and all depend on how the question is asked and who is asked. I for one, have NEVER been polled. ANd, I can think of many, many people who have never been polled. THe “true” poll takes about an hour I heard.
So, no worries. I hope that the Undecideds (and there are a whopping 10% of them), will think with their heads and vote for someone we know and won’t rape us with taxes.

Valerie Tarantolo we have already lost our jobs overseas, thanks to height years of a republican administration. WE have an monstrous deficit, we fight two war and we hare in recession. hello!!!! wake up, don’t you see?

>>All you Obama supporters are going to be in shock and wondering what happened on the morning after the election when you wake up and find that all of the polls were wrong and McCain was elected president!<<
In the unlikly event this were to happen then shame on us, really. We deserve everything we get.
To have voted for Bush the first time was an ignorant decision that set america back 25 years.
To have voted for him twice, shows we are out of touch fools and puppets. It was inexcusable.
To vote for McCain would be nothing short of deliberate teason. I could no long support the USA as it's chosen values and ideology that no longer represent me.

Joe and his “Rhetorical Flourishes” …… doesn’t just saying what you mean and meaning what you say what we voters want?

I pay state, federal and payroll taxes, Will I get met more money back because I pay ALL these taxes not just payroll taxes? I doubt it. Because Obama is going to raise my federal tax and I am sure Mass. will raise my state tax so I can give back to the one who only pays the “Payroll ” tax. Please don’t try to convince Obama is not going to raise our taxes to pay for those who don’t pay federal or state taxes. Plus watch he will need the money to pay for all the social failed programs we already pay for which don’t seem to be helping. If they were this world would not be in such a mess. The goal should be to help people stand on their own two feet, not having some of us pay to keep them down. I don’t know the more I wanted as I got older I went out and worked hard for it and I must admit there is quite a bit of self gratifcation in this. I would rather see everyone feel this through hard work, but unfortunately too many don’t know the meaning of the word and they are voting for Obama.

Americans will not be voting for a ‘socialist.’ They will be voting for Barack Obama.

AP Poll – Dead Even this is for you – –Battleground (Obama +1)
- Diageo (Obama +6)
- Gallup expanded (Obama +8)
- IBD (Obama +6)
- Ipsos (Obama +8)
- Pew (Obama +14)
- Rasmussen (Obama +4)
- WSJ/NBC (Obama +10)
- WaPo/ABC (Obama +9)
- Zogby (Obama +8)

Obama and his followers are all ANTI-American, ANTI-Capitalist and ANTI-Consitutionalist. You want to punish success, reward failure and secure the global defeat of American superiority. Obama is a Socialist and a Marxist…both of which are things that America has fought for more than five decades.

Wake up and smell the coffee….we just finalized the deal of becoming a socialist country….hmm…who is in charge? Oh yeah, the republicans.

Obama has said he wants to make the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. citizens as soon as he can — an amnesty program that would make them legally entitled to full government benefits, including Social Security and health care. Now that’s the way to go.

countrygirl: I can’t believe YOU are falling for McCain’s garbage. Tell me, how will McCain be different than Bush?
So far, he’s yet to distinguish himself

maybe McLame would be closer in the polls if he would say something new from the policies we’ve endured for 8 years.. but he hasn’t. And if people like the way the country is now then vote for him. Personally as a country I think we can do better. Why settle when you can have the best? aren’t we supposed to be a world power? we haven’t acted like it w/ the President we have now who has not listened to the American people.. do you really think the ‘maverick’ will listen to us? NO.. he’s an old man who needs to retire…

LOL! Of course “Obama dismisses Biden comments”.
I would like to see Obama try to dismiss Biden’s statement several months ago that he felt Senator Obama was not qualified to be President.
To Isabella: Senator Obama is outspending Senator McCain 4-to-1 on advertising. Candidates get the headlines they pay for–more money = positive leadlines.
There have been several newsworthy events this past week that are potentially damaging to Senator Obama’s campaign. None were reported on ABC, CBS, NBC or CNN.

I think McCain has dropped the ball.

>>Obama supporters, I want you all back in 2012 and since you bought you own it. I want to hear your assessment of the years 2008 to 2012.<<
What planet have you been living on the last 8 years? Just curious.

I took this, “a generated crisis”, to mean the outgoing party was leaving a mess that guaranteed to test whoever took over the office. I would rather have an intelligent person handling it than the “fly off the handle, over the hill gang” (though Don Knotts was kind of cute). The republicans are generating a mess and don’t know how to fix it now or then, in my opinion. John McCain thinks he can send Sarah Palin to Pakistan to do a “town hall” speech and Osama bin Laden will run out of the hills to ogle her and he can catch him. Right. Or perhaps Mr. McCain will be heading to Georgia to get his buddy to help him stir up Russia–now that would definitely be a generated crisis. Why are you and I allowed to think and write all kinds of stupid crap but the candidate is picked apart for having a thought–no, wait a minute he is picked apart for not having a thought–no wait a minute SHE is the one without a thought. All the hair dye must have penetrated the scalp.

For all those saying that Barack Obama is inexperienced, I will remind you that Obama has been on the Foreign Relations Committee for the past 4 years. He is well aware of foreign policy issues, around the world, and the Barack Obama’s running mate, Joe Biden, also serves as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, he has done that for decades.
Now let’s look at Sarah plain, who knows NOTHING about Foreign Policy, she actually thinks that foreign relations exerience is her being able to see Russia from her House!
And John McCain HAS NOT sat on the Foreign Relations Committee.
And Add to that, John McCain HAS BEEN WRONG on EVERY foreign policy decision he has made in the past 7 years.
John McCain still thinks that the central front on terrorism is Iraq —WRONG!
John McCain was the biggest cheerleader for the Iraq war. John McCain went on t.v every chance he could to say that the Iraq war would be easy, and that it would end very quickly. — WRONG! It has been 5 years!
John McCain said that the sunni, and shia tribes in the country would get along just fine after the war —WRONG! (John McCain obvioulsy did NOT do his homework or he would know that the sunnis and shias had been rivals for hundreds of years!
And worst, John McCain was dismissive when others were calling for the need for more soldiers to go to Afghanistan, John McCain said that more soldiers were not necessary, that the US soldiers in Afghanistan could just “muddle through” — WHO SAYS THAT ABOUT SOLDIERS WHO ARE FACING INCREASED DANGER!!
John McCain, who has been WRONG the last 7 years on foreign policy issues, should NOT be allowed anywhere near the White House!
John McCain even said that even knowing now that the Iraq war was based on false information, HE WOULD STILL DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN!!! What!!! He would again send 4000 soldiers off to die in a war he knew was based on a lie about the existence of WMDs !!!
John McCain who is STUPIDLY still saying that the central front on terrorism is in Iraq, should NOT be allowed anywhere near the White House.
It is time for the 72 year old man, John McCain, who has been wrong on EVERY single foreign policy issue over the past 7 years to retire to his ranch in Sedona, and to live out his golden years!
John McCain needs to leave those who are informed, the people who have sat on the Foreign Relations Committee, like Barack Obama, and Joe Biden, to deal with international issues, because John McCain has already show that he is NOT capable, and not informed, and GOD knows that Sarah Palin is not even capable of finding foreign countries on a MAP!
John McCain’s erratic decision to pick Sarah Palin as his vice-president after meeting her only ONCE, is the clearest example of John McCain’s poor decision making skills!!
If John McCain dies in office, Sarah Palin IS NOT qualified to deal with foreign policy issues! John McCain knows this, and millions of epublicans know this, and that is why they ARE NOT voting for the republicans this year!!

How original … McCain is another Bush ! At least we know where McCain stands, or better yet – where … he has standed . Nobody will test McCain, because they know where he stands! McCain has a verifiable record , all you have to due is google it. Obama : Many unanswered questions, and too many ties to shady characters. Show me your friends – I’ll show you your future . Hmmm , wonder if this was what Obama’s vice President (Biden) was talking about (the chickens coming home to roast) . An independent that is not being swayed by MSM .

Posted by G.D. Moore: “Americans will not be voting for a ‘socialist.’ They will be voting for Barack Obama.”
You will be voting for Barack Obama–by all measure, a socialist.

I’m a small business owner and make a little over $250,000 a year. I am a real Christian and don’t mind spreading the wealth around. I remember where I came from, and had it not been from other people spreading their wealth, I would not be where I am today. One American helping another American accomplish the American dream. Go Obama!

While I find most of these posts amusing I doubt if anything posted here is actually going to change anyone’s mind. Churchill said it best. “Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.” I was a Democrat as a young man. It is easy to support all those liberal social programs when you are not the ones paying for them. Just keep in mind that someday you might be. When you settle down and start making money you will not like the FACT that the average American already works until April 23rd just to pay their taxes.

I want you all back in 2012 and since you bought you own it. I want to hear your assessment of the years 2008 to 2012.
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Yes, we “bought” it and now it’s all worthless or worth a whole lot less than it was. That’s under a Republican administration so I’ll “buy” into a changing of the guard because at this point I truly have nothing to lose! Thanks Bush/McCain!

While I find most of these posts amusing I doubt if anything posted here is actually going to change anyone’s mind. Churchill said it best. “Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains.” I was a Democrat as a young man. It is easy to support all those liberal social programs when you are not the ones paying for them. Just keep in mind that someday you might be. When you settle down and start making money you will not like the FACT that the average American already works until April 23rd just to pay their taxes.
Posted by: professorj | Oct 22, 2008 2:47:34 PM
** being a conservative is more than taxes. Being a conservative means you are an oppressor to me. It’s been the worst party for this country for the past 8 years.. REAL AMERICAN ARE TIRED OF IT! YOU AND YOUR PARTY WILL WALK OFF IN THE SUNSET ON NOV. 4TH WITH YOUR HEADS HANGING DOWN WHICH YOU DESERVE!

Obama is bush III, arrogant, elitist,stumbling inexperience.

“Obama and his followers are all ANTI-American, ANTI-Capitalist and ANTI-Consitutionalist. You want to punish success, reward failure and secure the global defeat of American superiority. Obama is a Socialist and a Marxist…both of which are things that America has fought for more than five decades. ”
Posted by: Joe the Veterinarian | Oct 22, 2008 2:34:06 PM
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Joe: Explain to me a couple of things. McCain will TAX health benefits. Estimated 20 million people will be dropped from employer policies.
Does nothing to help people with pre-existing conditions that can’t get it in the first place. HOW IS THAT AMERICAN????
2. McCain plans to mirror Bush’s tax policies. They did NOTHING to bring new jobs, or help our economy. How is giving tax breaks instead to the majority of Americans unAmerican? Obama’s plan makes sense. Bottom up, instead of trickle-down.
3. Keeping us in Iraq indefinately. How has this helped us??? Afganistan is where Al Queda is. Iraq didn’t cause 911. Republicans dropped the ball. Expplain how this increased our security.
4. Palin. She was found guilty of ethics violations. She spent more/capita than any other governor in the nation. She left Wascilla with a $20 million debt. She graduated with a 1.89 GPA. Do we need another Dummy a hearbeat away from the prez?
How will McCain be different than Bush? He is planning on keeping almost all of Bush’s policies. His record is over 90% with Bush.

Obama said that he’s cutting taxes on 95% of working families. But the 95% is not the point. He’s plan is to cut taxes on all working Americans making under $100,000 a year. Between $100K and $250K, taxes will remain stable. Over $250K, the Bush tax cuts will be rolled back, but their taxes will still be lower than they paid during the Reagan years. It’s not that difficult to understand.
As for the new president (whoever he is) being tested, I’d trust the man who has the right judgement from the beginning to handle the situation. Experience means little in a new crisis, and it’s actually a detriment if you have a pattern of making poor decisions. Obama is the better decision maker “on day one”. Bush failed his crisis test miserably. This time I’d like an intelligent problem solver making the decision.

How original … McCain is another Bush ! At least we know where McCain stands, or better yet – where … he has standed . Nobody will test McCain, because they know where he stands! McCain has a verifiable record , all you have to due is google it. Obama : Many unanswered questions, and too many ties to shady characters. Show me your friends – I’ll show you your future . Hmmm , wonder if this was what Obama’s vice President (Biden) was talking about (the chickens coming home to roast) . An independent that is not being swayed by MSM .
Posted by: Isabella | Oct 22, 2008 2:44:48 PM
** His record may be verifiable but its sucks! How about that? He hasn’t done much of anything but vote 90% w/ George Bush! Look where the country is now.. you must not love your country if you would expose it to four more years of crap!

How original … McCain is another Bush ! At least we know where McCain stands, or better yet – where … he has standed . Nobody will test McCain, because they know where he stands! McCain has a verifiable record , all you have to due is google it. Obama : Many unanswered questions, and too many ties to shady characters. Show me your friends – I’ll show you your future . Hmmm , wonder if this was what Obama’s vice President (Biden) was talking about (the chickens coming home to roast) . An independent that is not being swayed by MSM .
Posted by: Isabella | Oct 22, 2008 2:44:48 PM

How original … McCain is another Bush ! At least we know where McCain stands, or better yet – where … he has standed . Nobody will test McCain, because they know where he stands! McCain has a verifiable record , all you have to due is google it. Obama : Many unanswered questions, and too many ties to shady characters. Show me your friends – I’ll show you your future . Hmmm , wonder if this was what Obama’s vice President (Biden) was talking about (the chickens coming home to roast) . An independent that is not being swayed by MSM .
Posted by: Isabella | Oct 22, 2008 2:44:48 PM

Posted by: cisc | Oct 22, 2008 2:52:37 PM
*Can you tell me what Palin meant by the ‘real virginia’ and pro-america? who is she fighting for? not me..

“Rhetorical Flourishes”…that’s a good one! Biden KNOWS that Obama is not ready to lead and he can’t help himself. For all of you that are “scared” that Palin as McCains VP choice, the Obama\Biden team should scare you ALOT more. Obama is ultra left leaning with radical, anti-American (and anti-Semetic) associations
and although Biden technically has foreign policy experience, between his poor judgement (‘NO’ to 1st Gulf war, ‘NO’to surge, proposed to give Iran $200 million, proposed to partition Iraq etc) and his inability to not spout out every crazy thought, you Obama robots are taking this country down the toilet.
Let’s vote for a Hero, not a Zero.

“As for the new president (whoever he is) being tested, I’d trust the man who has the right judgement from the beginning to handle the situation.”
20 years sitting in a racist church does not equate to good judgment. Unless you’re a racist yourself, then it’s fine.

Isabella – McCain has flip flop so many time that we don’t know were he stand anymore. He never had a clear message.

NO OBAMA:
Check Factcheck about Odinga – a non-profit public service organiztion financed by the Republican Annenberg Foundation.
It’s all lies created by someone, Corsi, who has a history of lying. You are bearing false witness against they neighbor. You are hurting yourself and all other Christians by slandering and vilifying without truth on your side.
Obama is not a “socialist”, “terrorist”, or is he “un-american”…he was not raised Muslim. Check your facts.
McCain – Factcheck – was censured by the US Senate for bad judgement in the the Keating 5 scandal. He did not vote for one bill for alternative energies in his 30 years in office. Was for deregulation of banks before he was for it. He wants to reward oil companies with windfall profits with more tax breaks and he can’t remember how many homes he owns. These are verifiably true. Your Odinga stuff is pure fabrication.

Stop Socialism if you repeat it over and over it goes in your brain.

Why doesn’t anyone ever pity the unfortunate Obama supporters. Liberals tend to vote that way because they have a lesser capacity to analyze information. This means, poor dears, that they can only repeat democratic sound-bites and blindly follow anyone who uses big words. It’s sad, really. They don’t know that when they support Obama they are showing their general inability to think things through (but because liberals tend to be immature and over-sensitive, no one will ever tell them this unfortunate fact).

I don’t know why McCain doesn’t compare Obama to Carter and say that if you want 4 more years of Carter, vote for Obama.
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Yeah, that’ll make inroads with the voters under 35!

independent voting obama–i presume palin meant those who cling to their constitution—but obviosly you watched the ooberman commentary division tactis are anti american—the iilogical subject of his rant he has done himself he too is a divider

Who would leave their children with obama and michelle and all their associates for a week?????

standed LOL nice

…. and any attempt to discuss Biden’s comments is “distracting from the issues” – I’m so tired of that line.

when you make an argument and you use a word improperly like say standed, it pretty much discredits you and whatever ideas you put forth in the rest of your post
even if your argument is sound…

“Please! The average American makes less than $250K and will see either no tax increase or a decrease under Obama. McCain will only give breaks to the really rich. So your statement actually is pro-Obama!”
Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Over $110k and you’ll see a tax increase.

DC: Bush had just taking over the Presidency when Sept 11 happened. Everybody : General Powell , Hillary Clinton , Biden, McCain and the American people – were angry and we wanted justice. So quite with all the blame. Look what happened during the 2006 elections – Democratic majority took over, because people were angry at current administration. Now we have a Democratic majority. Which is mostly responsible for this Economic crisis, (they wanted everyone – whether they could afford it or not, to have a piece of the American pie . Senator McCain warned Congress about Freddie & Fannie back in May 2005, or was it 2006 – I need to go pull up my doc.on that) and now we have a 700 billion Wall Street “bail-out” . Your Democratic majority has failed as well.

What are these partnerships Obama refers to? How about that partnership with Colombia? This would be a very very good thing for American workers.
But the Dems don’t want to see CFTA in force. Not sure why since so many of them voted in favor of the PFTA.
As for Iran, the WSJ today has an op-ed piece (very very short) about Iran’s pre-conditions to sitting down with the US
1. Get the military out of the ME (sure, that’s happening)
2. End all support for Israel (totally realistic).
I doubt either will take place under any President. Don’t worry too much.

the media is at it again–now obama the compassionate is going to visit he white grandmother in hawaii –what a man he is actually suspending his campaign–oh oh oh it just so happens there is a court procceding as we write that his birth certificate be made public to plaintiffs who are investigating him

“Why doesn’t anyone ever pity the unfortunate Obama supporters. Liberals tend to vote that way because they have a lesser capacity to analyze information. This means, poor dears, that they can only repeat democratic sound-bites and blindly follow anyone who uses big words. It’s sad, really. They don’t know that when they support Obama they are showing their general inability to think things through (but because liberals tend to be immature and over-sensitive, no one will ever tell them this unfortunate fact). ”
posted by: mensagirl | Oct 22
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Actually, “liberals” tend to have higher educational backgrounds and higher IQ’s than Republicans. The majority of red states have lower graduation levels, poorer educational standards, higher poverty rates and more extreme religious views.
Regarding McCain and Palin:
Who would you hire? That is what we are about to do.Let’s look at the educational background of our two options: Obama:Occidental College (Los Angeles) – 2 years studying Politics and Public Policy. Columbia University (New York) – B.A. Political Science with a specialization in International Relations. Harvard Law School – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna #### Laude, and also where he became the first African-American editor, of the Harvard Law Review. GPA = 3.89Biden: University of Delaware – B.A. in History and a B.A. in Political Science.Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.) GPA = 3.0McCain:United States Naval Academy – Class rank 894 of 899. GPA = 2.53Palin:Hawaii Pacific University – 1 semester.North Idaho College – 2 semesters – General Studies.University of Idaho – 2 semesters – Journalism.Matanuska-Susitna College – 1 semester.University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in Journalism. GPA = 1.89

RE: Post by Independent Obama Supporter The first thing Obama plans to do is to let the Bush tax cuts expire. That means everybody making over $40,000 will see their federal taxes go up. Obama says he will raise taxes on the upper 5%. According to the IRS that bracket starts at about $130,080. He has also said that he plans to do away with the cap on FICA which means that everyone making over $102,000 will see their payroll taxes go up by 6.2% on anything they make over that. The people Obama plans to raise taxes on are our doctors, dentists, lawyers, pharmacists, and other professionals and successful small business owners who will simply raise their rates to cover their increased taxes. Think about it everyone. Who really pays for those tax increases? He also says he will give a tax cut to 95% of Americans. How can he do that when 40% of Americans pay no taxes in the first place? Taxing upper income people and then sending money to people who didn’t pay anything to begin with is not a tax cut, it is the socialist policy of income redistribution. The problem is that the man is lying to us.

And if this 250k number doesn’t change almost as fast as The Messiah takes office, he will amazingly be one of the, if not the first, politician to actually keep his word. Good luck with that. Not to mention there are many more ways to raise your taxes than what you see on your paycheck stub. Four years from now, anyone making over 40k per year will be paying more in taxes, and getting less for them. Come back in 2012 and tell me I’m wrong. I won’t be.

And the Obama supporters bought this explanation too I guess.
Won’t they be surprised when the real BHO emerges shortly after Jan.20th?

Posted by: Obama it won’t work | Oct 22, 2008 3:18:36 PM
** too bad the whole country isn’t in the military huh?

It is funny this article is titled “passing the test” on main abcnews webpage. Should not it be called “not passing the test” with the implication being toward Biden?
Passing the test implies some one succeeded and we know that did not happen on this story.

oops…meant Kerry, not Edwardds

McCain – Factcheck – was censured by the US Senate for bad judgement in the the Keating 5 scandal. He did not vote for one bill for alternative energies in his 30 years in office. Was for deregulation of banks before he was for it. He wants to reward oil companies with windfall profits with more tax breaks and he can’t remember how many homes he owns. These are verifiably true. Your Odinga stuff is pure fabrication.
** Drill Baby Drill right?
when we only have 3% of the worlds reserves and use 25% of the worlds oil.. thats really smart Johnny McLame.. When is his intellect going to shine through? Probably never because he’s an idiot w/ his running mate who is also an idiot… I”m looking for smart people to finally run the country * Not another Bush and Cheney*

Is this true? Obama is 50% White, 43.75 Arab, and 6.25 African American? Legally, he cannot claim to be African-American?
According to this article, his FATHER would be considered African American, because the thresh-hold is 12.5 percent. But he can’t claim that any longer.

“Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Over $110k and you’ll see a tax increase.”
Mack: Where did you get this info? It’s false. What part of less than $250K and no tax increase do you not understand?
I guess you want your health benefits taxed too. McCain will RUIN this country. Actually I take that back. Bush has ruined this country. McCain will just continue the horror.

Our enemies are counting down the days until that wimp Obama becomes president.
The day America is no longer a super-power. Just like BO wants it to be.
Joe-the six term senator is trying to prepare us for the inevitable.

“Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Over $110k and you’ll see a tax increase.”
Mack: Where did you get this info? It’s false. What part of less than $250K and no tax increase do you not understand?
Suprisingly, that information came from one of Jake’s articles that he posted a few days ago. I can’t remember off of the top of my head which organization he cited, but you may be able to google it if you’re interested.

The Center for Responsive Politics, which analyzes campaign finance data, reports that a surge of donations for Mr. McCain in the final months he was able to accept campaign contributions moved him into the lead. By the end of August, Mr. McCain received $461,350 from military donors to $450,950 for Mr. Obama.
One of the interesting trends of the election was that anti-war candidates, not only Mr. Obama but also Ron Paul, were getting more support from the uniformed military than hawkish Mr. McCain. That remains the case. Mr. Obama received $340,400 from members of the uniformed service branches compared to $321,500 for Mr. McCain. Mr. Paul had taken in $213,000 from uniformed service members.
The report also shows that Mr. Obama also is ahead of Mr. McCain in military donors with overseas addresses, both those working for the Department of Defense as well as members of the uniformed services. A total of $74,650 came in for Mr. Obama from those posted overseas to $16,600 for Mr. McCain.

(CNN) — Republican vice presidential nominee Gov. Sarah Palin vowed on Tuesday to use her executive experience to tackle government reform and energy independence if she and Sen. John McCain win this year’s presidential election.
“We don’t like to toot our own horn so we don’t,” Palin said. “But, I have, I do have more experience than Barack Obama does. You know, he had served for his 300 days before he became a presidential candidate and that wasn’t in, in executive office.”
HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA. what a moose she is. her executive experience is more of scamming, fraud and lying. A real fraudster with executive pen. Republicans has found a good and perfect material to wreck the ship of Americas greatness

“Who would leave their children with obama and michelle and all their associates for a week?????
Posted by: allthat | Oct 22, 2008 3:04:33 PM
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I would rather have Michael Jackson babysit my son!”
That speaks volumes.

Independent Obama supporter, you are insulted because the previous definition fits you and you don’t like the truth.

Why do some of Obama’s supporters constantly bring race into the contest? I would like to think that people are voting for or against a candidate based on issues, not skin color.

Mr. Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother’s side. He is 43.75% Arabic, and 6.25% African Negro from his father’s side….

Cindi McCain relates more with Tina Fey imitating Sarah Palin than Sarah Palin herself.Isn’t this Strange huh?

Obama has said he wants to make the 12 million illegal aliens in the U.S. citizens as soon as he can — an amnesty program that would make them legally entitled to full government benefits, including Social Security and health care. Now that’s the way to go.
Posted by: John | Oct 22, 2008 2:34:53 PM
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I have recently been thinking about how this will play out in an economy like the one we have now. I add to that the possibility of thousands of troops returning home who will be looking for jobs as well. And of course, the regular job seekers, new college grads, etc.
Our country does not have a great record historically when it comes to economic downturns and foreign nationals (Chinese Exclusion Act immediately comes to mind, as well as the violence practiced against them).
When people cannot find jobs, they have a few options. All of which have played out in history: Start a business (difficult to do without money and in a bad economy); go on the dole; turn to crime.
Of course, this assumes that Congress would take up the issue of immigration. In a bad economy like this one, I can see such a measure sparking public opposition. The only question is would our leaders listen (they listened so well to us on the bank bailout that most of us opposed).

Joe Libermann said the same thing….he pointed out that Bill Clinton has the Embassy Bombing and Bush had 911 his first term. So how come Joe Libermann can say it but Joe Biden can’t!
Posted by: Julie Conway | Oct 22, 2008 3:33:34 PM
** NO one cares about Joe Lieberman.. seriously! He can run his mouth all day and no one listens… he thought McCain was going to chose him for VP.. and he chose a different idiot instead! lol

I found that not the case today as I had to fire three 22 – 24 yr/olds today for being lazy and doing drugs on the job. They still take a job for granted. Getting fired for drugs leaves a mark.
Posted by: Obama it won’t work | Oct 22, 2008 3:51:18 PM
* Cindy McCain is the only drug addict in this campaign ..

Why do some of Obama’s supporters constantly bring race into the contest? I would like to think that people are voting for or against a candidate based on issues, not skin color.
Posted by: Oonogil | Oct 22, 2008 3:46:16 PM
** B/c people in Appomattox VA are spray painting the n word on signs.. thats why its become about race. That’s uncalled for we were freed a hundred years ago.. get over it!

fox poll 40/49 Obama
reuter/C-sapn/zogby 42/52 Obama
diageo/hotline 42/47 Obama
GWU 47/49 Obama
- Battleground (Obama +1)
- Diageo (Obama +6)
- Gallup expanded (Obama +8)
- IBD (Obama +6)
- Ipsos (Obama +8)
- Pew (Obama +14)
- Rasmussen (Obama +4)
- WSJ/NBC (Obama +10)
- WaPo/ABC (Obama +9)
- Zogby (Obama +8)

Independent voting Obama, Obama said “Did a little BLOW”

Obama keeps changing on Iraq. How can we trust anything he says when it keeps changing. He has now adopted John McCain plan for Iraq.

No to Sara Palin. I considered voting for McCain until he chose Palin, which shows a lack of leadership and common sense on McCain’s part, and also shows that he, like President Bush, will do what they can to win the religious fundamentalist vote. McCain, like Bush, will forget his religious buddies if elected.
Palin insults the strong, intelligent women who could have been chosen but weren’t, and her subtle racist hints – no accidents but perfectly scripted remarks – are unsettling, dangerous, and immoral.

Obama used street drugs from drug dealers. To me a big difference.
Posted by: druggie | Oct 22, 2008 3:58:47 PM
* Not to me.. he didn’t steal them from sick people.. what a sad person she is!

Independent voting Obama, Obama said “Did a little BLOW”
Posted by: Obama it won’t work | Oct 22, 2008 3:58:35 PM
* At least he paid for it. He didn’t steal it! Isn’t that a commandment McLame
Thou shall not steal .. it means for drugs too!

You want a Obama Administration? Fine, then you want a redistribution of wealth society. It has never,ever been a success in any country at any time. Obama’s so called tax cut on “95% of people” is a lie since 40% of the bottom income earners pay no income tax. Only half of the social security taxes actually goes to social security.Obama plans to raise social security taxes 4 to 5% after a few years. Older people have to pay medicare suppplemental because medicare doesn’t always pay for everything under that plan. And Obama has NO say so on state and local taxes either. Obama says he will give a choice of health care. That’s a load of lard to have any gov’t. involved health care is a answer for disaster, ask anyone who has to deal with the VA. Obama doesn’t want you to be involved with choices, only government involvement. Obama’s answers to all problems is the government. McCain may not be a true fiscal conservative, but he sure is a better choice than Obama! I hope that people will remember the Carter years! Remember mortgage rates were 21%! Long lines for gas! Inflation was 12%! There were more military deaths in the Carter years than during the war in Iraq! Unemployment was 9%. Under Clinton, unemployment averaged 5.2%, and remained only under 7.3%. Under Bush, unemployment averaged 5.2% also. Since Bush took office, personal disposable income rose 20%. GDP rose 3% per year from 2003 to 2006. Five of the top 10 cities with the highest poverty rates have had democratic leadership since 1961. If you want to see what America will look like with a Democratic President and a democratic congress, just look at the state of Michigan. It has the highest unemployment rate in the nation.

Jake Tapper goes to all the trouble of putting up these excellent stories, and none of you discuss THE POINT. You just use this site as your idiotic Obamabot-blog generic talking points.
He’s the only decent opinion on ABC and you eclipse every story with goofy babble.
Trypical Democrats.

Good day dearest Americans, i wish that president Obama makes me secretary of state on immigrant and minority matters. bye

Why don’t people call BO for what he really is?!?! He is the Villi Minilli of politics. He is smooth and everybody adores him … but he has no experience to back him at all. Comments?

I am not voting for Obama because of his lack of experience, his liberal “tax and spend” voting record and I am afraid that if he is elected he will surround himself with radicals — as he seems to have done in the past. However these arguments about Obama’s birth and religion are absurd and were debunked months ago. His birth certificate has been posted upon the web and verified by the State of Hawaii. He has publicly stated his faith many times and was a member of a racist Afro-centrist Christian Church for more than 20 years. Even if he was a Muslim in his youth Christians should be shouting halleluiah at his conversion.
But I am concerned about his association with an unrepentant terrorist like Ayers and his lying about it to the American people. If it was just Obama’s close association with one radical individual maybe it would not be such a big deal. But Obama has a long history of associating with radicals who seem to despise the American way of life — Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorn, Jeremiah Wright, Frank Davis, Rashid Khalidi, Michael Pfleger, Raila Odinga, Mike Klonsky, and who knows who else.

And, since we are going to harken back to the Bible, what was that about the 9th Commandment? Something about not coveting thy neighbor’s property? Isn’t a tax increase on the rich to pay for the tax decrease for the poor something to that order? Where is higher percentages and higher absolute amounts fair? Yeah, the media has its head put on backwards.

racism is the battleground for the ignorant

Obama will be like Clinton. He will overlook the attacks against us from terrorists. Clinton was offered Bin Laden and wouldn’t accept him.Obama has to steal and buy off to get elected. Wonder why Obama will not disclose where all his money is coming from? And why are people being charged on their credit cards by the Obama campaign? Where is the Brian Ross investigation? Why isn’t ABC News investigating Obama’s contributions of $1 million to Kenyan Prime Minister Odinga? His emails to Odinga and to Columbia’s terrorists group FARC? I can imagine that if it had a e-mail from McCain, there would be hell to pay. Where is Brian Ross in investigating the triangle between Bill Ayers, Rev. Wright and Obama? Has Jake Tapper ever heard of the Chicago Anneberg Challenge giving money to the South Shore African Village Collaborative? Hmmmm, money from it’s board members teaching kemetic philosophy which just happens to be the same views held by Rev. Wright. Who just happened to have it’s founder speak at Wright’s church. Where Obama just happens to have gone for 20 years. HMMMMMM. And Ayers just happens to be publishing a new book in 2009 about this subject. RRRRIIIIGGGGHHHT. Nah, he was just a guy in his neighborhood. Oh, why does Obama have “marxist” tendancies as he claims in “Dream of My Father”? Oh, that’s right, his childhood mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, was a communist. Birds of a Feather, flock TOGETHER!

Well, well. If you want to keep on topic. I think Tapper is trying to justify the abolishment of term limits on the Presidency. With the abolition of the term limits, then there will be no need to worry about a new President and his goof ups every four years. And with the abolition of term limits, then the President would be worrying about every decision he makes because that decision may decide the next elections. What says you?

Since we’re quoting the bible
“It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God”

Oh, BTW does anyone have any follow up on the Trinity United murders from last year yet? I can’t find anything. It is hideous that there is no resolution to these crimes. Three unsolved murders from the same Church. How come the FBI is not involved? Where is the anger that they were not solved? At any other place, there would be lots of buzz. Not at Trinity. TIA.

Ryan C– why must you always bring the Mid East into the discussions?

I guess Obama has forgotten – once again – that he’s not God. He may “dismiss” Biden’s remark… but Obama will not be the judge of that. We the people will be the judge of what shall be “dismissed”.
Ruling? We shall not dismiss Biden’s statement. We shall elect McCain as President.. because Obama is a legend only in his own mind.
Biden warned us not to vote for Obama. We’ll take Biden’s word, in this case, on that one. (Biden may usually blur details – but he provided an “early warning system” on this one.)
Nobama!! No problem.

I guess Obama has forgotten – once again – that he’s not God. He may “dismiss” Biden’s remark… but Obama will not be the judge of that. We the people will be the judge of what shall be “dismissed”.
Ruling? We shall not dismiss Biden’s statement. We shall elect McCain as President.. because Obama is a legend only in his own mind.
Biden warned us not to vote for Obama. We’ll take Biden’s word, in this case, on that one. (Biden may usually blur details – but he provided an “early warning system” on this one.)
Nobama!! No problem.

We should redistibute the wealth why should the millionaires get right offs and ways to hide there money and we the middle class have to pay for it remember Robin Hood take from the rich and give to the poor. I have no problem with that I’m tired of the rich hiding their money and saying they pay enough taxes. The middle class are tired of trying to make a better life for ourselves and seeing the rich get richer. Do you really think that McCain isn’t going to go back on all his lies please he flip flops on his views daily. Don’t forget the pictures of him right beside good old Bush looks like they were good old buds and he backed him 90% of the time not what I want for another 4 years. Watch the news people around the world are watching to see if we elect dumb and dumber(McCain & Palin) 70% of the world say they are for OBAMA if we elect McCain are standings in the world will be go down the tubes wake up America its not just about the good old USA but how the world percives us. Wild life against Palin.

ryan c—the eye of the camel and the rich—is made to show that wealth makes you more susceptable to corruption greed power etc money as the route of evil–it is important what a man does with his money—it was not a statement for socialists to use on easily swayed sheep

Or we could elect McCain since Bin Ladin came out in support of him this morning.

RJ, What about Robin Hood do you not understand? Robin Hood did not steal from the rich. He stole from the rich who had stolen from the poor through USURIOUS taxation. You are messing up the mythology of Robin Hood just for your purposes!!!

“rhetorical flourishes.” LOL
How much BS can one guy have?

furthermoore–the socialists have taken over most of the media and if obama wins they will pass the un-fairness doctrine and all media will be monitored by socialists–then it will be on to the internet as in china—but the one thing jesus said leave unto ceasers what is ceasers—but-but what is really going to be the socialists downfall is when socialists start using bibble quotes to further their agenda–this is now happening but it will be their final folly

It’s really quite interesting to see how the left leaning news media try to down play Sen. Biden’s remarks about how Obama is going to get tested in the next six months on possible attacks or other countries trying to take action against our countries foreign policy and that Obama may make not make the right decision. This is a “bombshell” against Obama. I think Biden is a sour loser and stabbing Obama in the back already same as Hillary and Bill did. That’s what I like about the left. If they don’t like you, they are going to trash you, kick you and knock you out of your job. No tolerance for nothing and they call the conservatives the “hate” group. This shows them for who they are.

Spreading the wealth around?
The obamas gave almost nothing to charity despite making millions. His half brother lives on a dollar a month in some shack while they lived in a exclusive neighborhood.
obamas should looked up the word “hypocrite” and see what it means.

USANO1–all socialists are hypocrites there is no such thing as a classless society—like the peace and love hippies that sold thier country out—i call all socialists —hyppies

“The only person to actually kill his fellow man is John McCain.”
Way over the mark, Ryan. That is the sort of remark people will and should remember you for. Never spit on the troops.

So they’ve got you thinking they’re going to go for the super rich. They’re going to go for everybody. They’re going to go for the achievers. And, by the way, they’re even going to go for people who dream of achieving, and that was Joe’s great sin. Joe the Plumber’s great sin was having a dream to improve his life. They have to go destroy this guy. They will not research any of Obama’s relationships or any of his alliances. They will cover them up. But they will go out and they will destroy an average citizen. What happened here? It took a plumber to flush out Obama’s true economic philosophy. It took a plumber to illustrate to America that Obama’s ideas do not hold water. More than that, it took a plumber to open the damn of resentment that has been under the surface for decades toward the media.

“Way over the mark, Ryan. That is the sort of remark people will and should remember you for. Never spit on the troops.”
Len,
The Commandments are quite clear.
A time of war does not absolve some one from breaking them.
There’s a reason that the military has many chaplins.

su, Mp
Ok, you guys are hardly even trying any more. Heart not in it?

I do not trust Obama in the least. He avoids questions regarding Freddie Mac, Fannie Mae, Rev. Wright, Acorn and not to mention the good ole neighborhood guy Ayers a/k/a bomber. I believe that the American people deserve an answer because it tells us about his character. None of this BS lawyer talk which he is really good at. If he becomes president of the US, I am afraid this country will truly regret it. Something in my gut tells me he isn’t all he claims to be. I only hope that the younger generation really look at these candidates’ records and not go by their debates or appearances. They are trained and coached for appearances, the script is written. My only advise is to educate yourself about these candidates and then vote.

Obama is a skilled and exceptional US and world leader….
Obama, 2008

Well by the looks of thing we will not know who the president will be for months. In the end it will not be Obama.

shalom – “Obama is a skilled and exceptional US and world leader….”
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What is he skilled at and what has he lead in the world?

Trying to figure out what Joe Biden really meant is probably not a very useful pasttime.

Jock, why did BO pick Biden? He is worse on the road than Palin is. So many misspeaks…Is he feeling sorry for McCain and trying to make it easier?

Here is a different view on the VP picks: I would rather have a good experienced backup when I needed it than to have a risky unethical jabberjaw take over if I wind up on a gurney.

do unto others as i have not done unto others

Wanda, how’s housing where you are at?

My fear is if should McCain takes his last breadth, Palin will assume the Presidency. She’s not qualified to be a VP let alone a President. Don’t people worry about this? If McCain throws her under the bus NOW, I will consider voting for him.

shalom – “Obama is a skilled and exceptional US and world leader….”
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What is he skilled at and what has he lead in the world?
Posted by: Obama it won’t work | Oct 22, 2008 5:46:41 PM
The answer to your nonsensical question is general Colin Powell’s comments on Meet the Press last Sunday…..
Listen to him……

Hey Fraggenboots:
A) Jesus admonished those who made public their charitable donations, i.e., Obama reports $300 but do you know for a fact that that is all he gave to charity or all he claimed on his tax returns?(Judge not, lest you be judged)
B) As for tax collectors, read the story of Zaccheus in Luke 19, and note that Matthew the Evangelist was a tax collector; also note that it was Jesus himself who is quoted as saying that we should “render to Caesar that which is Caesar’s”, i.e., pay one’s taxes.

I fear the election night thanks to the media and all the hype that they have put out there all the racist remarks the damage they have done. This election will not have a good finish now no matter which way it goes unless we as Americans change it cause the media is looking for good stories, ratings please let us take back the election and tell the media thanks but no thanks.

Obama spin spin spin spin spin those lies.

Of course Obama dismissed Biden’s comments, just as he dismisses any comment that might cast a negative light on him. Did anyone really expect him to not dismiss them? Did anyone really think that Obama would seize the opportunity to answer legitimate questions voters might have about his ability to lead the nation through tense times? The world is supposed to love the US if we elect Obama – now we hear that they might instead “test us” and we’re supposed to just let the comments go because Obama “dismisses” them. Sorry. I can’t let this one drop so easily.

FOR THOSE WHO SAY THAT SARAH ISN’T QUALIFIED: I guess that they haven’t been listening to Joe Biden. On top of his screwball comments, he’d sure make for a funny looking VP what with that foot constantly sticking out of his mouth.

Say good night GOP you made a real messe of this great home known as AMERICA now let some grown men attempt to clean it up ,an 8 year GOP house party will take lot to clean up!!!!!!!
Obama/Biden 08

“That last debate said it all. McCain’s eye rolling and “Gorelike” sighing was enough for me. The man is not in real control of himself.”
Posted by: tendergroins | Oct 22, 2008 7:28:20 PM
McCain is just a regular human being. Yes, he rolled his eye – WHY? because he couldn’t stand the guy next to him telling outward lies to the american people. That’s exactly why Gore rolled his eye in 2000 when he stood next to Bush in those debates.
Well, what did we the voters did??? we went ahead and elected the less experienced guy – because he was cool. Look where that brought us in eight years.
Do we really want to do the same mistake again?
Obama and his team can say all they want that “McCain is same as Bush”. But if you look closely its Obama who is more of the same as Bush.
He is less experienced and has no foreign affairs experience.
He choose an older guy who is more right/left that himself.
He is arrogant and has a lot of head weight.
His fellow right/left wingers almost worhship him.
He makes a lot of promises to his fellow right/left wingers which he will definetely not keep up to.
If you dare even speak a little against him, you will be branded unpatriotic/racist.
I can go on and on………except the right/left I don’t see much difference between W and O.

Biden is correct. Just wait, America. We are in for a bumpier ride than ever if Obama is elected.
And you thought 911 was bad.

how about a little fairness from the media, but that would mean you couldn’t fix the election like you want it
no reports on how much obama mama spends on his suits, eh?
oh that’s right, I forgot, osama, i mean obama is your darling. you wouldn’t dare research anything in his background that the American people want or rather need to know.
To all you Americans out there, obama is not half as dangerous as the mainstream media is for this country.
some sources say that the media is in collusion with obama so that they can keep touting problems and boost their ratings.
why are the media and the democrats allied so closely? why is teh media a lapdog for any bleeding heart democrat? because they both dig up any problem they can and exaggerate it for the purpose of exploitation. the democrats like to gain power and money by using race, economics and other issues to gain power but they never fix problems, i.e. 11% approval rating for dem controlled congress. the media uses problems to pretend they are looking out for the public but they cause more problems than they report.
I quit the media because I had too many editors telling me what the issues were and how to write my stories on a slant to convince people of what they should think.
The media is institutionalized. they are all liberal. they seek to undermine our way of life and reshape it in their image.
beware of what will come of this bond. our freedom is lost and the media is responsible for collusion. They no longer seek to protect the people. only to brainwash us with propaganda.
try to give a liberal facts, they call you names and try to discredit you with lies.
It’s time to consolidate and take action. all of you who know what I’m talking about know what you should do.
Soon the sons of liberty will rise up and there will be nothing the media or the democrats can do to stop us.
Execute the ultimate solution.

Joe said “they will test this young president just like they tested JFK” No one dares test McCain or Bush because they know what they will get. Obama lied when he said “they will test the next president” Nice pivot away from the truth. It is not racist to vote for the best man. I was hiding in a hallway with my class mates because they tested JFK. Practicing for the nuke strike. I do not want to go back to that with Ayers buddy.

This entire election has been about words being taken out of context. This is just another case of that. McCain just takes another jab at Obama even though it was meant for whomever is president. I am sorry I too respected McCain, however in his choice as VP I have lost that respect. I fear if his decision to choose her was so misguided then I have to ask what other misguided ideas could he have! Obama has been forthright in his answers, the lies about his religion, Ayers,Acorn etc. have all been checked into and yet McCain and some cannot let the issues drop. I truly believe that many that vote do vote on what they are told by others, hear on TV or the radio and that they do not do any research at all of any of the canidates. I have. I have gone to the Senate records and read how they each voted, I have gone to both their campaign sites and read and compared and added numbers and have come to one conclusion…Obama is the man this country needs as our new President. Will he be tested in the first year…heck yes, that is a given by the economy crisis. Not to mention we are in Iraq and Afghanistan so yes he will be tested and there may be more who knows. I just know that he is the man, and if anyone did do their homework they would see that too. Palin…says she has excutive experience, well I say thats great, but 2 years is not anything, compared to Obamas record. The I have one question though…and I keep trying to see why no one has asked her this or McCain. Sara Palin it has been made clear via the AIP that you were once a member,we know your husband once was too. In the video at their meeting they speak about you and how happy they are that they helped to get you elected. My question is 2 fold.
1. Why did you tell us that you had never been a member in the AIP when in fact you were?.
2. How can you endorse the AIP knowing what they believe in and what do you think it means to us a Americans?
Who knows maybe one day I will get the answers to these questions.

Isn’t there a story here? To tell the truth about who brought us to a position of this $700 billion bailout? Aren’t you supposed to follow the money and see which politicians were benefitting personally from the deregulation of mortgage lending?
I have no doubt that if these facts had pointed to the Republican Party or to John McCain as the guilty parties, you’d see an senate investigation already into this matter, with the Democratic serving as regulars on this committee.
Instead, it was Senator Christopher Dodd and Congressman Barney Frank, both Democrats, who denied that there were any problems, who refused Bush administration requests to set up a regulatory agency to watch over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and who were still pushing for these agencies to go even further in promoting subprime mortgage loans almost up to the minute they failed. Thus, we are where we are in this point of time.
Where is our ATTORNEY GENERAL on this matter??? Oh, yeah it involves DEMOCRATS and soon they think they will be in power, so this whole affair will be sweeped right under the rug!!!! That is, when the Obama admistration takes over!!!

For Obama:
1. Why did you not tell us of your deep involvement with Acorn when, in facgt, you did?
2. How can you condone Acorn’s involvement in tampering with our voter registration rolls?
Do you really NEED this illegally obtained roster to create your rise to potus?
WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO MORALS?????

“What Biden meant was he has personal knowledge that the current president along with his racist FOREIGN counter parts PLAN to “GENERATE” a major “Test” for Barack”
-THE ORACLE
Ever notice how the looney left’s TRADEMARK is causing huge catastrophies and blaming them on the concervatives?
“911 inside job”,
“Bush is a LIAR”
“McCain is a LIAR”
“blah blah blah BLAH!”
.. this coming from the worlds biggest mob of liars.
,
Barney the puple politician (and ALL the libs in congress): “Fannie and Freddie are just ducky! Stop trying to thwart our wonderful anti-unfairness brain-child! It’s working FINE!”
Oblamer: cut funds to troops, oppose the surge, secret meetings to try to IMPOSE a timeline AGAINST the generals’ recommendations and behind America’s back…
..the usual ploy, drone on and on about race and whine about it in books, then call any innocent remark from any typical white “racist”.
septuple the size of government, multiply spending 10x, tax the hell out of the achievers, then claim that McCain’s plan will tax 3x more while his has DRONED “no new taxes” even more than Reagan. Then pretend that his only tax cuts are against medicare.
Hey that’s funny, it’s the same MO of any convict. gee, I wonder why..
Could it be that’s why the majority of prisons are filled with liberal Democrats