Obama Faces ‘Plumber’ Protestors in Roanoke

How much do you want to bet none of them are actual plumbers, either?

Joe the plumber has been a real joke—i am certain he was put in obama’s rally audience by the mccain camp. same thing with the people who stood up and spoke out in wisc. at the mccain rally. they are all PLANTS======why doesn’t mccain just give up…he’s toast

Umm one of those guys is the President of the College Republicans.
Yet another Republican scam like Brook Brothers riot in 2000.
“The Republican National Committee is sending around this Associated Press photo of overall-clad McCain supporters standing outside an Obama rally, clutching plungers and a sign proclaiming “I Am Joe The Plumber”:
The only problem? At least two of the members aren’t quite as similar to the newly famous Joe Wurzelbacher as they might like you to think. As CBS News’ Maria Gavrilovic, who is traveling with the Obama campaign, reports, the man on the right does say he’s an actual plumber – though he is from Melbourne, Australia, and will thus not be casting a vote this November.
And the man on the left, plunger thrust high in the air, is Charlie Smith – the National Chairman of the College Republicans. “

You forgot to mention one of the guys is president of the College Republicans.
See Ben Smith’s Blog.

“The Center for Responsive Politics, which analyzes campaign finance data, reports that a surge of donations for Mr. McCain in the final months he was able to accept campaign contributions moved him into the lead. By the end of August, Mr. McCain received $461,350 from military donors to $450,950 for Mr. Obama.
One of the interesting trends of the election was that anti-war candidates, not only Mr. Obama but also Ron Paul, were getting more support from the uniformed military than hawkish Mr. McCain. That remains the case. Mr. Obama received $340,400 from members of the uniformed service branches compared to $321,500 for Mr. McCain”

Looking at these morons they are probably like Sam, Plumbers without a license.
Bet ya they also earn 250.000,–.

I just want to know who it was who thought standing in the rain holding two toilet plungers was a GOOD idea!

THE ENTIRE MEDIA IS GOING TO DO JOE THE PLUMBER LIKE THEY DID PALIN
THE MOMENT HE QUESTIONED OBAMA’S WEIRD TAX BURDEN, THAT WAS IT
ATTACK
ATTACK
ATTACK THE PLUMBER!
OBAMA=KARL MARX=REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH=COMMUNISM=PIED PIER PREACHER OBAMA=UNAMERICAN
WE DONT WANT COMMUNISM!
MCCAIN/PALIN FOR EVER!

Someone should ask those hayseeds if any of them make over $250,000 a year, hell they should ask them if they all together make over a quarter million a year. Wanna bet on whether they do or not?
Fools, “Joe the Plumber” is as fake as Palin, just another McCain gimmick.

Joe did it all he wanted was to in the lime light for one day guess what??? He got it.You don’t give them that….

“Probably not close to the 29 million that Barry spends each week on attack ad.”
And even spending that much he still hasn’t caught up to McCain in negative attacks ads.
Backing a claim made by Democratic Sen. Barack Obama in his Wednesday night debate with Republican McCain, the Wisconsin Advertising Project says the GOP candidate aired only negative ads for the week of Sept. 28 to Oct. 4. The project, which monitors political advertising activity in more than 100 major markets nationwide, said the spots either were devoted entirely to attacking Obama or combined attacks with McCain’s outlook.
The project said, however, that McCain’s claim that Obama has spent more on negative advertising than any candidate in history is incorrect. Figures from the group show that Obama and McCain actually had an identical number of purely negative or partly negative ads, with McCain sending out more purely negative ads than Obama throughout the general election contest.

Seeking to portray law enforcement investigations into reports of fraudulent voter registrations in several states as an extension of the controversial firings of United States attorneys, the Obama campaign on Friday called for a review by a special prosecutor.
Bob Bauer, general counsel for the Obama campaign, sent a letter to Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey and Special Prosecutor Nora R. Dannehy, who is investigating the attorney firings, requesting that Ms. Dannehy also look into the whether F.B.I. investigations of the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, or Acorn, were politically motivated.

“…I am certain he was put in Obama’s rally audience by the McCain camp…”???
What???
Obama was canvassing for votes in Joe the Plumber’s neighborhood a few days back. Obama, without the benefit of his teleprompter, opened mouth, inserted foot, and told Joe the Plumber that he wanted to “spread the wealth around” after Joe had asked him a questions about his tax plan.
No wonder you guys follow Obama. You haven’t a clue…………………

ATTENTION>>>>>>
Got to tell all of you this bit of info…Yesterday Mc Cains daughter Megan was here at UNH,,,You have to vote for her father.WHY YOU ASK??? If he wins this state she will get a tatoo saying” Live free or die”" We are all taking bets on where it would be.HA-HA What a way to look at this election. DON’T look like she will be wearing one from here.,,,,,,

Look like a bunch of hillbillies in those overalls. Hey Jethro how ya doing?

The Surge – What’s “truly pathetic” is investors have lost upwards of 9 trillion dollars with the declining stock market, people are losing their homes, unemployment is climbing rapidly, credit markets are frozen, our country is in a recession and you are in a tizzy over stolen McCain signs and a political stunt by the GOP to blame ACORN. The voter fraud play-book dates back to 1960 when the GOP tried this with JFK.

The agent in charge of the Secret Service field office in Scranton said allegations that someone yelled “kill him” when presidential hopeful Barack Obama’s name was mentioned during Tuesday’s Sarah Palin rally are unfounded.

Barack Obama has taken a slight lead with white independent voters for the first time in the presidential race, positioning him to capture a key demographic group that has eluded recent Democratic nominees, according to a Politico analysis of independent voting patterns.
According to Gallup’s weekly average of some 6,400 registered voters, Obama now holds a 45 percent-43 percent edge over Republican John McCain with white independents. About eight in 10 independents are white.

Where are the pipe wrenches and other tools? So they got plunges? The plungers don’t look to be “field-tested” and their belts look brand new…
These guys are probably just frat rats test driving their Halloween costumes.
But plumbers??!!! Pulleeze…

MSA123–
The fools are the ones who elected W. TWICE.
We are just trying to put the universe back in some sort of balance by taking it back from the Darth Vader and the village idiot.

CHICAGO:Barack and Michelle Obama earned close to $1 million in 2006, paid more than $318,000 in taxes and got a $40,000 refund, thanks to the Bush tax cuts according to the couple’s tax return released by the Democratic presidential candidate’s campaign.
Barack Obama kept his pledge to release his income tax return for 2007.
It shows that he earned more than in previous years — more than $4.2 million, with about $261,000 from salaries and the rest from book royalties.

So true, McCain will keep sending our jobs over seas. India and China are both praying McCain wins.
MCCAIN PRO-EXPORTING AMERICAN JOBS.

There is a lesson here…an ordinary citizen should never, ever ask a direct question of a presidential candidate whom the main stream media supports. If the candidate fumbles the answer or gives an answer that proves to be unpopular, the citizen will be mercilessly attacked by the candidates supporters (which includes the media).
It’s much better to intimidate the American voters to make sure they are afraid to approach a candidate with any questions tougher than “How are you?” than to allow one’s candidate the opportunity to fumble an answer.

Mack –
Also getting 1/2 an hour of prime time t.v. right before the election. ”
Who is going to watch that besides a brain washed bot.
One ad I heard on the radio, he was praising Ayers. Trying to justify his relationship with a terrorist.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 17, 2008 6:57:17 PM
Mack please explain these to me seeing as you want to bring up dirt on Obama.
US Council for World Freedom, Timmons and Saddam Hussein and G. Gordon Liddy. I have not had one of you Obama haters explain these to me.

Mack,
That 1/2 hour spot will have huge ratings and you know it, scares you a little bit huh?
Besides Ayers endorsed McCain. Ayers loves anger and chaos, the two biggest traits of Mad Man McCain.

Mack–
I boycotted Wal-Mart forever ago and my job was one that got exported to India. I think I have a right to vote against McCain, the man who fully supports exporting even more American Jobs.

“Mack,
That 1/2 hour spot will have huge ratings and you know it, scares you a little bit huh? ”
I guess it depends on what act is opening up for him. Maybe he’ll have those eery “children for the one” reciting their DalaiBama mantra. Anyone that would sit there for a 1/2 hour watching the glorious one read from a teleprompter has already chugged the kool-aid.

Posted by: Mack | Oct 17, 2008 7:07:55 PM
I notice you haven’t addressed McCain’s skeletons.

“I boycotted Wal-Mart forever ago and my job was one that got exported to India.
Are you in IT? I lost 2 jobs to outsourcing. I know it $ucks @ss. I was reading that some of those jobs were starting to trickle back. Probably not enough to make a dent in the numbers that lost their jobs. The 3k per worker that Obama is proposing is no where near enough incentive to get those jobs back.

Concerned in Ohio-
I lost my job to outsourcing, so you know what you can kiss, right?
I wanted my job and my town also wanted the factory that got sent to Mexico.
These jobs were good paying with benefits. And I have stated no position on immigration.
So maybe you should just not respond to things you know nothing about.

i just hope palin doesnt dress her children in sheets and pillowcases at some of her hate meetings.wonder if they are passing out those pointed pillowcases with palins face on them.

In a television appearance that outraged Democrats are already describing as Joseph McCarthy politics, Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachmann claimed on Friday that Barack Obama and his wife Michelle held anti-American views and couldn’t be trusted in the White House. She even called for the major newspapers of the country to investigate other members of Congress to “find out if they are pro-America or anti-America.”

I notice you haven’t addressed McCain’s skeletons.”
I don’t need to be in love with or to feel inspired for the first time in my life by a politician to vote for them. I wasn’t crazy about Gore or Kerry and I voted for them. He’ll do for 4 years.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 17, 2008 7:19:31 PM
Another Obama attack. That’s what people like you do. Attack! But when you are called to answer a question about your candidates associates you go back and smear .

Isn’t it funny that a guy who asks a question gets his personal information released to the public and yet noone has been able to get Obama’s records released?

mc lives,
yea, i listened to that interview,
i think she is well on her way out.
i don’t think she has even thought deep enough about what she was saying to know if it was right to be saying or not.
but what she does know is to follow the party line, and repeat rep. party talking points. which are all about dividing this country right now. fall out be damned. right now the reps don’t care what harm the things they are saying might cause this country especially since we are well into the sunset of the horrible george bush years, which with the 90percent of the support of john mccain, did a job on this country.
this woman just as sarah palin are well out of their league.
if you listened to her, and watched her, she didn’t know half of what she was talking about, just parroting rep. talking points.
my question is, how many more reps. are going to go on national tv and fall on the sword of trying to help mccain win by any means necessary.

“I’m counting, what, five protesters? I’m also guessing that all five of these idiots would get a bigger tax cut under Obama’s plan than under McCains. Once again:
From CNNMoney.com”
Any other non-biased sources?

Why hasn’t the media discussed the failure of Obama health plan in Hawaii been reported? Why hasn’t he given the courts what they want, his birth certificate, his school records. Then there’s ACORN, AYERS, REV. WRIGHT, REZKO and heaven only knows what else. The media continue to suppress all this information from the public. Wake up AMERICA before it’s too late. Obama is a Fraud. Doesn’t the media care of what happens to this country. Are they so committed to Obama that they are willing to destroy our system of government? If the media has discovered it and has not reported it to the public, then they should be censured.

But I don’t get something. I don’t see Obama spreading his wealth around. Does anyone know what he’s given to charity over the last 5 years?
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 17, 2008 7:27:50 PM
In 2007, the Arizona senator reported $405,409 in total income and contributed $105,467, or 26 percent of his total income, to charity.
Mrs. McCain has donated the same amount to charity as her husband — a total of $170,162 for each of them — over the past two years, his campaign said.
Obama gave $240,000 to charity last year.

Mack–
You really need to step outside your talking points.
This thinking is dangerous to all of us. First they came for the jews, but I wasn’t a jew and so I did nothing… You know the rest.
We cannot let this happen. It has to stop and now. It doesn’t matter who gets elected, what matters is that everything we stand for and believe in survives.
That is all any of us should care about. Period.

Another Obama attack. That’s what people like you do. Attack! But when you are called to answer a question about your candidates associates you go back and smear.
I’m much more concerned about Obama’s associations than McCain. Concerned enough that I could never vote for him under any circumstances.
Posted by: Mack | Oct 17, 2008 7:36:36 PM
Why is that Mack? McCain’s associates aren’t the shiniest but you turn a blind eye to that. Why?

mack
were you ever concerned with mccains association with the north vietnamese.you know the songbird thing.\\want to hold obama responsible for what someone else has done lets start holding mccain responsible.–for what he personaly has done–never mind the twit he has for vp.

I want to know how much Obama has given to charity as a percent of his AGI from 2001 to 2006. I want to how much he really cares. I want to see if he walks the talk. I want to see if he believes in spreading the wealth around for himself.

Democrats, Republicans and Independents need to unite.
We need to tell the lunatic fringe to cease and desist from the inflammatory and very Un-American commentary.
We all have the right to speak and disagree, but we do not have the right to shred the constitution and incite violence and hatred.
This is not Anti-McCain, he says he is country first, he needs to step up and prove it. NOW.

Concerned in Ohio–
Oops. Hagee was an anti-Semite. He was the one who said that the Nazi’s were teh Hunter and that it was God’s will that the holocaust happen. Not to mention, Gov Palin SAT through an entire sermon that was anti-Semitic.
You clearly know nothing of your own candidate.

“Why is that Mack? McCain’s associates aren’t the shiniest but you turn a blind eye to that. Why?”
My Dad was very much into unionizing and protecting people’s civil rights, and that is how I was raised, so I take offence that Obama sat in TUCC for 20 years.

Even I gave more percentage of my AGI to charity than Obama did every year from 2001 to 2006. He can give what he wants. Just don’t go around preaching to spread the wealth if you’re not walking the talk.
And jwedge: Numbers are meaningless without the basis. The percentages tell it all. So no, it doesnt matter that he didn’t make as much one year over another. DUHHH!

“Income under $19K:
McCain: $19 tax cut, Obama: $567 tax cut”
Which rate is Senator Government cutting?
Which specific tax rate is Senator Government reducing to achieve his tax cut?
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 17, 2008 7:30:44 PM
Why don’t you go and look it up. It might actually say on his website. Unlike McSham’s website Obama’s actually has some specifics about his plans. I have spent the last 3 hour looking for something specific in Mcsam’s plans on his website and cannot find any specifics. Is this because he doesn’t know how he will keep his promises?
” Does anyone know what he’s given to charity over the last 5 years? ”
Joe The Six Term Senator has given $3000 over the last decade.
He’s going to force you to make up for his lack of charity.
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 17, 2008 7:29:35 PM
Joe biden is not a super rich senator like McSham. How much have you given to charity in the last ten years?
Where did you get your information? Do you have a Source?
I give $500 per year to my local Humane Society but the only way to find that out is to go and ask them because I do it because I believe in the work they do not for the tax deduction so I don’t even claim it on my taxes. Some people give to charity just for the sake of charity.

The office of the Republican vice-presidential nominee has quoted prices as high as $15 million for copies of state e-mails requested by news organizations and citizens.

Mack,
I have asked you countless hard questions and get nothing back. Silence.
You don’t answer the tough questions. You will not explore or even respond to any question that goes beyond your talking points.
You parse out peoples words and then twist them. Of course what more could be expected from a republican thug.

“Mack,
I have asked you countless hard questions and get nothing back. Silence.
You don’t answer the tough questions. You will not explore or even respond to any question that goes beyond your talking points.
You parse out peoples words and then twist them. Of course what more could be expected from a republican thug. ”
What did you ask me? You said that your job was sent to India and I responded asking you if you were in IT.

Jwench: She did. They gave way, way more. How about 19% in 2006, 27.2% in 2005. AND, your friend Cindy founded and ran a non-profit organization, the American Voluntary Medical Team, from 1988 to 1995 that organized trips by medical personnel to disaster-struck or war-torn third-world areas. She continues to be an active philanthropist and serves on the boards of several charitable organizations.
Now, let’s take a look at “Spread the Wealth and We Care about People” Obama and Michelle’s contributions to society.
Posted by: msa123 | Oct 17, 2008 7:57:41 PM
Is that where she stole the drugs from? The Obama’s don’t make anywhere near what McCain and his wife do.

Concerned in Ohio–
Yeah that cell tower, that Cindy McCain requested be installed before the primaries even started.
It may end up being completely innocent, but why is it off limits? Obama cannot go to the bathroom without submitting the results in triplicate to the waiting hands of republicans.

If ABCNews wants to continue the belief that it is a quality news network then maybe they should’ve informed everyone as on one of their competitors sites that one of these plumbers is from Australia, one is a McCain district leader, and none of the 5 are actual plumbers. ABC you’ve been scooped/duped again. Sorry!!! But this is what happens when one believes their own HYPE!!!!! SHAME/PITIFUL!!!!!!

For thos of you that have a problem with Rev. Wright because of the three edited minutes of two different speeches that he gave and Obama condemmed. You are denerating a man who has served his country and saved lives. Here is who he is:
Pastor Emeritus
Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr
Pastor Emeritus
Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. was born in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. He completed his elementary education in that city and then went to Virginia Union University. After three and a half years at Virginia Union, Pastor Wright left school and entered the United States Marine Corps. He transferred from the USMC into the United States Navy where he served as a cardiopulmonary technician.
After six years in the military, Pastor Wright transferred to Howard University where he completed his undergraduate studies and received his first Master’s Degree. His second Master’s Degree was from the University of Chicago Divinity School. His Doctorate was received from the United Theological Seminary under Dr. Samuel DeWitt Proctor. In addition to Pastor Wright’s four earned degrees, he has been the recipient of eight honorary doctorates.
Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. became Pastor of Trinity United Church of Christ (TUCC) on March 1, 1972. Within a matter of months he demonstrated an understanding and deep commitment to help TUCC achieve its motto and vision. The motto, “Unashamedly Black and Unapologetically Christian”, was a phrase coined by his predecessor, the Reverend Dr. Reuben Sheares, and was officially adopted by the congregation shortly after Pastor Wright began his ministry.
Since 1972, under Dr. Wright’s leadership, the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ grew from 87 members; and currently exceeds 6,000! The membership continues to grow numerically and spiritually with large numbers of members tithing, studying in bible classes and serving in over 70 ministries offered to enhance the Christian journey.
Dr. Wright has lectured at seminaries and universities across the United States and has represented TUCC and The United Church of Christ around the world. He is recognized as a leading theologian and pastor and has published four books and numerous articles.
Stop hating just for the sake of hate. You don’t know the man so don’t judge him.
By the way what does how much a person gives to charity have to do with becoming the President. Both McCain and Obama have done good things for their cities, states, and this country.
If you are going to state something as a fact give a SOURCE otherwise for all anyone knows you are just making things up.

Mary
The FBI released a press release stating that reports by the Obama campaign that hateful yells were against him was a big lie at a Palin rally. It did not happen.
Obama dissing a plumber that does not believe his tax policies is low-class action by Obama. Reducing income taxes for those who pay no income taxes is indeed a miracle.
Posted by: Mary | Oct 17, 2008 7:55:14 PM
I have not heard about this FBI press release anywhere but from you and I have been whatch MSNBC,CNN, and FOW NEWS all day
Where did you hear this>

Wow, all FIVE of them showed up!

Joe:”Mr.Obama, why do you want to raise my taxes? I’m struggling and want to buy out my bosses business.”
Obama:”Well, Joe, I don’t want to hurt you, but you see Herman standing behind you with his hand out? He doesn’t have the ambition you have and doesn’t really feel like working, so it’s only fair that we spread the wealth around.”

Gerald V. Rush, Phd
Go watch the video “Misconceptions of Obama fuel Republican campaign – 13 Oct 08″ on you tube and tell me who is racist!
If you can show me video’s of someone saying that the reason they are not voting for McCain is because he is white I would like to see that.

Josh–that’s hilarious, because I have seen countless footage of people being asked why they are voting for Obama and all they can say is “Because he’s black”

Concerned in OH
Both Obama and McCain plan on increasing the child tax credit to $3500. You need to check some government websites or something because all of your facts are screwed up.

“Obama:”Well, Joe, I don’t want to hurt you, but you see Herman standing behind you with his hand out? He doesn’t have the ambition you have and doesn’t really feel like working, so it’s only fair that we spread the wealth around.
Posted by: S Adams | Oct 17, 2008 8:40:32 PM
_________________
Trickle down economics at its worst!
Booooo for B O and his plan to take from the middle class to hand funds to the poor.
Then WHY WORK?
Why, indeed!

Yeah that cell tower, that Cindy McCain requested be installed before the primaries even started.
It may end up being completely innocent, but why is it off limits? Obama cannot go to the bathroom without submitting the results in triplicate to the waiting hands of republicans.
The cell tower was installed at the request of the Secret Service.

Ok i was wrong, guess what I saw on one of the news chanels was wrong. I don’t remember which one.
But you are also wrong because if it is currently $1,000 than a “$1,100 from Obama expansion of the child care tax credit”
would total $2,100 because the $1,100 is an expansion onto the current tax credit.

Diane ca said: Joe the plumber has been a real joke—i am certain he was put in obama’s rally audience by the mccain camp. same thing with the people who stood up and spoke out in wisc. at the mccain rally. they are all PLANTS======why doesn’t mccain just give up…he’s toast
Ok, Obama is walking on the street, randomly in a neighborhood, and a CBS reporter reported, that Obama really doesn’t use an itinerary while out campaigning. So somehow…without an itinerary, and no advanced notice…McCain somehow figured out exactly where Obama would be, while going door to door, and got to Joe before Obama did?
I will concede that Joe probably had his mind made up before hand, but I will also say, that I seriously doubt anyone could have pulled this off, unless someone is a mole in Obama’s camp.
As for the yells at a McCain Rally….why would McCain plant people at a rally to yell “kill him”, when it would be to his own detriment? IF plants were placed in there, it would be by opposition, and I don’t think that happened. I will say though, that the “kill him” never happened. The reporter that made the claim….lied.
Also….there is a video from a rally. The man who did the video is a radical Democrat. Last name of Russo, if memory serves. To my knowledge , he caused no problems, but I find it a little odd that he was at a rally for McCain…video cam in hand.

Hmmm. All 5 of them…guess the rest of the plumbers make under 250K so they are not protesting?
Who is McCain kidding? The man may be famous now–but he is not a plumber, has no license is not an apprentice, and probably the idea of “owning the business one day” is a pipe dream. Good deal though–if he plays it right, McCain will make him a very rich guy–until after the election. If McCain loses, odds are it will be ..”Joe, who?”

I personally don’t see either being able to do tax “cuts”
The debt that’s now there, and with Obama’s plans, and spending budget….there is just no way. He might do a tax cut , but it will be made up in other ways. He’s already said he’d have no problem with gas going to $12 a gallon, and Biden alluded to them putting the ban back on, on offshore drilling once they’d be in office.
Also…does no one find it a little disconcerting, despite Joe’s political affiliations, and back ground, that Obama, and Biden both mocked the very type of person, they say they want to help the most? The working person? Middle class?

Josh–
Google “Mulatto” and see how many websites pop up about the word.

Five college Republicans with plungers they just bought at Wal-Mart.
That’s some massive protest effort.

Jeanie–my thoughts exactly.

Rodney, So Joe the Plumber should only oppose Obama’s tax plan if he falls in that magically top 5%? He can’t oppose it because he thinks it is wrong? Because he understands that it penalizes success and harms small businesses (like mine, btw) that are the engine of job creation in this country? Because he knows that Obama is playing fast and loose with the numbers to come up with his “I’m giving 95 percent a tax cut” claim? Joe the Plumber analyzed the issue, came to his own conclusion, and was not persuaded by Obama’s argument. For that, he is being attacked and maligned in a way I have not seen since Sarah Palin stepped on the scene and caught the Dems off guard.
Obama wants to give tax ‘relief’ to people who do not pay any income tax to start with– by sending them checks from the revenue taken from those of us who do pay. This is part of his vaunted 95%. He also counts tax credits as tax cuts– the tax credit for children is scheduled to go down from 1000 each to 500 each in 2010, when bush tax changes expire. He wants to keep it at 1000, which he then wants to count as a “tax cut,” when actually it would result in people’s taxes remaining the same as they are now, not going down. Creative , but too clinton-esque for my taste.
Go, Joe!

If you are living in Florida and planning to write in Hillary’s name in Florida, PLEASE DON’T DO IT.
Any Hillary Clinton write-in vote will be counted as a Barack Obama vote because they belong to the same party. I urge all PUMA/Clinton Democrats find out your state’s write-in rules.

The surge
Where can I find that because I plan on writing in Ron Paul but do not want my vote going to McCain

cathy
What slander? I have asked this of others that say this and nobody answers me will you?

stoplying08
DO YOU KNOW THAT INDIVIDUALS DO NOT HAVE TO PAY FEDERAL INCOME TAXES? SO IF YOU ARE AFRAID THAT YOUR INCOME TAXES WILL GO UP JUST STOP PAYING THEM.

It figures. Obama tries to help out the little guy by giving him tax breaks and he’s too stupid to understand. Obama used Joe as an example. Plumbers don’t make $250,000 a year. Some how People like Lou Dobbs, who only listen to sound bites before they make stupid commentary and then the rest of the media is off and running……And the protestors…sorry they don’t look like any plumbers I know and are obviously there to hold up McCain signs.

New York Times February 6, 1990
Upon election as president of The Harvard Law Review:
On his goals in his new post, Mr. Obama said: ‘I personally am interested in pushing a strong minority perspective. I’m fairly opinionated about this. But as president of the law review, I have a limited role as only first among equals.’
Mr. Obama said he planned to spend two or three years in private law practice and then return to Chicago to re-enter community work, either in politics or in local organizing.”
The next four years may prove to be very interesting.

The “Obama Tax Plan”. It won’t end up as the tax plan Obama is promoting. It will be the Pelosi-Hillary-Reid-Kennedy tax plan.

Josh…they didn’t say it was a lie. They said they had no witnesses. But I saw the tape of the rally and you could clearly hear someone yell terrorist. They said the FBI couldn’t find any witnesses, well no kidding…it was a republican rally…

Constant attacks on dear Joe the Plumber will not obscure the real ‘boo-boo’ in that original encounter, which is Obama’s statement that he thought Joe should appreciate Obama’s plan to “spread the wealth around.” Joe is not stupid, no matter how many times Obama fans post such insults. You are still allowed in this country to have an opinion and state that opinion, aren’t you? Obama did not convince Joe that Obama’s tax plan was in Joe’s best interest. Obama did not convince Joe that the Robin Hood strategy of taking from the rich and giving to the poor was the best way to structure a tax system. So why is Joe the one under attack here?
And I’m weary of having to constantly explain over and over that there are plenty of plumbers– more precisely owners of small plumbing businesses– who make more than 250,000 a year from their business, and who are taxed on that income on their personal income taxes because they are sole proprietorships, partnerships, or LLCs. that does not mean they cleared 250,000 in profit, by the way. So make fun of us small business owners all you want, and we will keep our heads down and keep working hard and making money and hiring workers and providing a strong foundation to our economy. And, I suspect, many of us will not be voting for Sen. Obama.

Miki, hon, maybe you should turn in for the night. You are running up an impressive string of misstatements tonight. Now you are claiming that the Secret Service said they had no witnesses to the supposed threat at the rally, when in fact what they reported is that they investigated thoroughly and found there was no such outcry. They reported that Secret SErvice on the scene did not hear any such threat, nor did any of the other law enforcement officials on the premises. The only person who claimed to have heard it was one reporter. Sorry, but the Secret Service takes their job very seriously. They will have looked at the tapes and compared notes and made sure that their statement was accurate. The video tape to which you refer was from an earlier rally, when some yahoo who should be ashamed of himself shouted out inappropriately in reference to WILLIAM AYERS, unrepentant domestic terrorist, NOT Barack Obama.

I hope Obama’s hideous campaign goes down the drain.

Hannah said: So what if they aren’t plumbers? Well they make a mockery of those of us that live the life of plumbers, and laborers. It’s insulting to me. They have tool belts on and are holding plungers plungers…they look like they’re dressed for halloween.
They may not all actually be plumbers. I don’t think that was their purpose. Their purpose was to say, that as a working man, they have a right to ask a candidate a question, without being persecuted. That they can have an opinion, and a choice in candidates, without being labled a racist.
This is not mocking the working man, this is supporting the working man.
The mocking of the working man came from Obama, and Biden. They mock those, which they say they represent.
Joe has been inundated the last several days..vetted as if he’s some kind of criminal…and Obama has yet to repudiate the behavior of the press, and his supporters.
I doubt he will. I think he loves knowing he has these masses of people willing to do this for him.
It’s like being married. When you first start off, you love getting things for each other, and doing things for each other….but over time, it gets old. Sooner or later…people will start to see…but I suspect it will be later.

Hey Moderate, why don’t you hire these Joe the Plumber bozos to upgrade your house. I’d check my homeowner’s policy first though.

Is it Halloween already?

moderate
The video tape to which you refer was from an earlier rally, when some yahoo who should be ashamed of himself shouted out inappropriately in reference to WILLIAM AYERS, unrepentant domestic terrorist, NOT Barack Obama.
Posted by: moderate | Oct 17, 2008 10:48:49 PM
I better premise my question first.
I AM NOT TAKING ISSUE WITH YOUR STATEMENT THIS IS A SERIOUS QUESTION FOR MODERATE.
How do you know that the yahoo in the heard on the video tape was yelling about Ayers?

Those of you who are so upset that Joe the plumber is now being veted: remember that we probably wouldn’t have heard much about him had McCain not injected him into the debate. Once that happened it became necessary to learn more about him to determine if he was credible. So now he has been thrussed into the lime light.

Both candidates brought up the soldiers, whose names are on their bracelets….and the press didn’t swoop down, and attack their families.
This guy asked a question, and the answer Obama gave, became controversy. So rather than hound Obama over the answer, they go after a plumber.

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
Taxation is necessary to carry out the principles of the Constitution. If we are willing to do without these things and do everything on our own then we could keep all of our money for self. If you want a sewer or a paved street do it yourself—we can do it better if we pool our resources (taxation) and work together (more perfect Union).

Joe: I think perhaps our friends around the world are getting ready to welcome President Obama.
However, we will not find out for sure until we the people speak on November 04.

Josh, here’s my source for saying that the wacko was yelling about Ayers, not Obama– the transcript of the event as reported in the Washington Post (hardly a big right wing source *G*). According to the Post, Sarah Palin talked about reading the New York Times story about Ayers and Obama. The very mention of the NYT drew boos. Then, to quote the post, she then said, “And, according to the New York Times, he was a domestic terrorist and part of a group that, quote, ‘launched a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and our U.S. Capitol,’” she continued.
“Boooo!” the crowd repeated.
“Kill him!” proposed one man in the audience.”
It seems clear to me that the referent to the “kill him” outcry, based on this description, was the guy targeting the Pentagon and Capitol, Ayers. Do you disagree? If so, how do you connect the statement to Obama?

moderate | Oct 17, 2008 11:30:30 PM
Thank you for clarifying that for me. I had not heard the entire tape.
Do you know if there is any evidence to the “off with his head” comment I have heard about?

Hurrah for Brooks Brothers Plumbers! Maybe McCain will let them form a union. Gordon Liddy can join.

Josh, despite the fact that we seldom agree on much, you are one of my favorite posters around here. That’s why I’m disappointed in your statement that Joe the Plumber deserves the intense scrutiny he is getting at the moment. Is that like rape victims being accused of asking for it because of the way they were dressed or something?
Let’s review what happened. Obama is going door-to-door in Toledo on a photo-op, meeting voters and answering questions. He is on Joe’s street– Joe cannot be a McCain plant as lots of folks (but not you, dear Josh) have claimed. He is answering questions from citizens, as I think politicians should do. Joe is playing ball in his yard with his son. He hears people asking questions and decides to ask one of his own. So he’s a republican– does that mean he isn’t allowed to ask a question of a democratic candidate? He asks his question, Obama answers it. He and Obama do a little back – and -forth to clarify their positions. Joe remains unconvinced by Obama’s argument. The press is there, as they have been following Obama down the street. Cameras are rolling and capture Obama’s “spread the wealth around” comment, which gets some folks attention. The whole exchange gets wide media play and suddenly Joe is a celebrity. He was an ordinary citizen minding his own business who decided to do what I thought all of us have a right to do– ask questions of our elected officials and candidates for office. As a result, he has been held up to public ridicule for days. He has a tax lien against his house– does that change Obama’s answer or Joe’s right to ask a question? Obama’s campaign treasurer, Martin Nesbitt, has a lien against his home, too. Are we calling for his head, too? Suggesting he should step down? Of course not. He does not have a plumber’s license– if you are not hiring him to do plumbing work for you, what does that matter to you? How does that change the answer to his question about Obama’s tax plan? Does that mean that we can ignore the fact that Obama wants to “spread the wealth around”? Obama is the politician here, not Joe.
I am frankly surprised that you would write:” Joe the Plumber knew when he talked to Obama that there were news cameras filming him. Therefore he opened himself up to people looking into who he is.” Really? So anyone who speaks at a town hall meeting or who talks to a candidate on a rope line should now anticipate that their entire lives are fair game for the media and that people can investigate them? I’m seriously troubled by that idea. Joe is a regular guy who asked a question. He is not running for office. We should be encouraging citizens to be more involved in the political process– asking questions and listening to what politicians have to say– not hounding them when they do and then claiming they ‘asked for it.”

moderate
You said “My spouse and I have a small business just like that– small town, 4 people working, and easily gross over 250,000 a year.”
But do you NET over 250,000 a year. And if not you will receive a tax cut under Obama’s plan right?

The logic that any person who would get a tax cut should vote for Obama assumes that we should all sell out for some short term dollars.
How about doing what is right and not breaking the economy?

moderate
From my understanding the McCain campaign called Joe before the debate and asked if he would mind if McCain talked about the talk he had with Obama. Had Joe said no nobody would have given him a second thought but he allowed himself to be thrust into the public eye by saying yes to the McCain campaigns request as well as going on FOX NEWS. I am not saying he asked for it. I am saying he should have expected it. The only thing I think he was thinking about was that he would get his 15 minutes a fame. I think if you go looking for that 15 minutes of fame you should understand that it might turn into 15 minutes of shame. I don’t think he’s a bad guy just naive. I am affended by his opposition to social security though.

hotandspicy
“mindless sheep?” THere you obamasnots go again trying to accuse the other camp of what youre doing…I already early voted for Mccain and Im a Democrat… many others will be havign second thoughts in the voting both… Obama is finished!

I have heard on the internet news that the economist….PAUL VOLCKER will be one of Obama’s top economic policy advisers……Should this be the case, we, like or not, MUST BE VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY, VERY CAREFUL”………This economist PAUL VOLCKER destroyed America’s economy in the past under JIMMY CARTER. He is anti-growth type economist (socialism-style, in other word). If you suspect me, go check “WIKIPEDIA.” You will learn something.

The logic that any person who would get a tax cut should vote for Obama assumes that we should all sell out for some short term dollars.
How about doing what is right and not breaking the economy?
Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | Oct 18, 2008 12:15:02 AM
I would not say that tax cuts is the only reason to vote for any candidate. But I would say that Obamas tax plan is what will drive the economy. If someone in the lower and middle classes is able to keep more of their money and have health insurance that money will still eventually find its way to the rich companies just not as fast as it has been for the last 8 years. The economy is where it is at today because of irresponsible spending habits of a lot of people in this country. The bailout is not changing these habits, rather it is reinforcing those bad habits.

JG
the real engine behind Obamas incopetence on the economy is Robert Reich… Reich has had a vendetta against the Clintons for a while and this is his way of sticking it to them!
Posted by: JG | Oct 18, 2008 12:22:12 AM
What vendetta are you talking about?

hotandspicy – you must not have been around when Volker had his hand on the wheel. Why do you think Carter was not re-elected.

-April 2001 the Bush Administration warned of red flags regarding Fannie And Freddie (beginning of video)
-2002 Budget request warned that the size of Fannie and Freddie is a “potential problem” (0:28)
-2003 the white house warning was upgraded to a systemic risk that could extend beyond the housing market (0:40)
- Fall 2003 the Bush administration pushed congress hard for an agency that would regulate and supervise Fannie and Freddie (0:49)
- Then ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee, Barney Frank, pushed back, stating-“we are not in a crisis”.. and…“the federal government should be doing more to get low income families into houses”…and…“too many people had a sky is falling mentality”(1:15)
-In 2005, Alan Greenspan stated: “Enabling these institutions to increase in size-and they will once the crisis in their judgment passes-we are placing the total financial system of the future at substantial risk” (2:08)
-As a counter to Greenspan, NY Senator Charles Schumer stated: “I think Fannie and Freddie over the years have done a incredibly good job and are an intrinsic part of making America the best-housed people in the world…if you look over the last 20 or whatever years, they’ve done a very, very, good job”(2:38)
-IN 2006 SENATOR JOHN MCCAIN CO-SPONSORED LEGISLATION FOR MORE REGULATION, ON THE FLOOR OF THE US SENATE, HE STATED: “FOR YEARS I HAVE BEEN CONCERNED ABOUT THE REGULATORY STRUCTURE THAT GOVERNS FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC…AND THE SHEER MAGNITUDE OF THESE COMPANIES AND THE ROLE THEY PLAY IN THE HOUSING MARKET….THE GSE’S NEED TO BE REFORMED WITHOUT DELAY”(3:10)
-McCain’s bill made it out of the Senate banking committee with a party-line vote, all democrats voting against it.
-SENATOR OBAMA NEVER WEIGHED IN ON THE BILL

As I see it now, Obama is changing from his black liberation theology, and he is more into white liberation theology.

hotandspicy – you must not have been around when Volker had his hand on the wheel. Why do you think Carter was not re-elected.
Posted by: light headed Joe Biden | Oct 18, 2008 12:50:02 AM
I do believe that you are very light headed. Because if Volker was the reason Carter lost then why did Reagan keep him as chairman of the federal reserve.

Well now that the insults are flying, and accusations of drug use have started….I take my leave.
Good night all…and sweet dreams!

Josh
if he is goingto appoint Carter administation officials … for one thing.. they are all at least 80 now and another… just like it has been reported about Mass and Deval Patrick… Obama is actually goingto beleieve his own hype and try to run over everyone in the capitol and it wont work… Bush tried that and it didnt work… you people keep denying that Obama is running a Bush style campaign when it is in fact true…I did my part and voted against Obama as a good democrat should!

Josh
Obama didnt sign on to Hillarys insurance plan.. you will go down and maybe you will leave the country when he loses because we wont need you in 2012 when Hillary runs again…

Josh
you can come on here and propagandize all you want its not goingto change any minds..the polls are gettign closer… the media doesthis every cycle to make the democrat look better… I am breaking with my party because we will get someone better in 4 yrs and Obama wont last but one term

blue
the point is that there are goignto be other people that do that..its not over by any means…you just think that you are doing the world a favor by coming on here pontificating about how Obama will magically change everything when poltically that wont be the case .

JG
by the way I am not voting for Obama but the more you and these other ignorant people post that I am it just pushes me toward him. I am a republican who just isn’t going to swallow the crap that got nominated by my party because it is his turn. My plan is still to write in Ron Paul for President As for hillary running in 2012 I doubt it because I have a feeling that Obama will win this election. As for leaving the country if McCain does win I wanted him in 2000 and Bush won and I said when he got the nomination that if he became President we would be at war in Iraq within 3 years. Then he went off and committed the biggest fraud of any president and lied to get us into a war in Iraq. Even though he won I didn’t leave the country. If McCain does win I pray to God that you are young enough to be drafted because McCain will reinstate the draft so that we can keep this war going for the next 100 years.

Josh
youre just covering up for yourself Obamas people think Obama is the second coming in which hes not and you just souneded liek one of them… I didnt say what you said… you are just ticked that Mccain isnt an ultra right wing hes in fact more liberal than Obama

JG? Guess who is one of McCain’s foreign policy advisors? Henry Kissenger. Age 85. I don’t have to make this stuff up.
And if Warren Buffett is 90 – I don’t care – he supports Obama, he supports America – and I trust him and I’m glad he’s on the Obama team – along with Volcker. He gets it – unlike McCain advisors Phil Gramm (The economic crisis is a mental problem – you’re all whiners and Kissenger). Remember when McCain said the way out was through ebay?

Josh
and you just said that because you know Im right

the talking point of the joe the plumber event is not WHO asked the question, but the ANSWER bho gave. that is the story, that is the point…

JG:
The only ACORN you’d possibly even know anything about is the one that shares the apparently limited space inside your thick skull with all those small rocks.
That said, it’s painfully obvious that you couldn’t find your own rear end in broad daylight with both hands

why did so many peopl make this big deal out of another ne of those stpid plumber jokes.
By the way why do candidates always have the most ridiculous examples anyhow.

Tell Joe(real name Samuel)that when he pays his back taxes, gets a license and makes more then $43,000 a year, he can call himself a “Plumber”….or he can always move back to Alaska where he lived in the ’90′s.
His ex sister-in-law still lives there, maybe she will be happy to see him again.
Read Alaska Daily News, they talk about him there with pics.
I am not offended by spreading the wealth around since the Republicans have been doing it for years except they spread it around at the top and hope it trickles down.
I have been hearing about trickle down economics for years, hasn’t worked yet.
Obama/Biden ’08

“There is no story. There is no story. There is no story here.”
When a nonresident Obama campaign worker, temporarily in Ohio to get out defraud the vote, illegally signs up to vote and then does vote, yes, Obama Campaign Spokesman Who Tries to Intimidate College Reporters, there goddamn well is a story.
How many of your employees did this, Obama?
Reynolds is covering for them and insisting this is legal. Is that what the Obama campaign informed these workers? That they should go ahead and lie about their residency, because it’s “legal”?

THE NEXT BIG LIE OF OBAMA came during the debate on abortion.
McCain pointed out Obama’s radical positions on the issue, including his repeated opposition to the Illinois version of the Born-Alive Infant Protection Act. Obama responded with a series of lies:
There was a bill that was put forward before the Illinois Senate that said you have to provide lifesaving treatment and that would have helped to undermine Roe v. Wade.
The fact is that there was already a law on the books in Illinois that required providing lifesaving treatment, which is why not only myself but pro-choice Republicans and Democrats voted against it.
During that period, the Attorney General reported that the practice of abandoning infants born alive during late-term abortions was not covered by the law. Jill Stanek and others testified to the practice, and the Illinois Senate heard testimony that suggested that as many as 20% of all late-term abortions resulted in a live birth.
Obama lied about the circumstances of the bill; the reason it was being proposed was because existing law was ineffective at protecting infants born alive.
And the Illinois Medical Society, the organization of doctors in Illinois, voted against it. Their Hippocratic Oath would have required them to provide care, and there was already a law in the books.
There wasn’t a law on the books, and who would be surprised that the people performing the abortions and leaving the children to die wouldn’t want more oversight to prevent that practice?
OBAMA VOTED AGAINST the bill that would have protected infants born alive even after the “neutrality clause” he demanded was added to protect abortion in Illinois. That is the truth in this case, and Obama lied last night to the American people in an attempt to hide his radical position on abortion.

Republicans file new lawsuit against Brunner
Rebuffed at U.S. Supreme Court, they turn to Ohio’s top court
Having lost before the U.S. Supreme Court in a lawsuit involving the verification of new voter registrations, Republicans now are turning to the Ohio Supreme Court.
Specifically, the lawsuit asks the Ohio Supreme Court to require Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner to order county elections boards not to count any absentee ballot from voters registered after Jan. 1 without first checking the statewide voter registration database to ensure there is no mismatch
Brunner has had a mixed record on the lawsuits decided so far, winning today’s case and an Ohio Supreme Court case involving whether Ohioans could register and immediately cast an absentee ballot between the start of early voting on Sept. 30 and the Oct. 6 voter-registration deadline.
But she lost challenges to her rulings not to allow outside observers for in-person absentee voting and to reject applications for absentee ballots printed by Republican John McCain’s campaign if a box on the form wasn’t checked.

DISPATCH FROM NAIROBI
Kenyan insiders say Obama was part of takeover strategy
Used 2006 ‘fact-finding’ trip
to criticize sitting president
October 16, 2008
© 2008 WorldNetDaily
NEW YORK – Former members of Kenyan opposition leader Raila Odinga’s Orange Democratic Movement party have told WND when Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama visited Kenya on a “fact-finding” trip in 2006, he was carrying out part of a secret election strategy that also included exploiting divisive tribal tensions and ultimately taking advantage of rioting that left 1,000 dead.
The strategy document outlining the campaign earlier was referenced in “The Obama Nation” but could not be fully authenticated at the time of publication.
Now, however, research conducted in Kenya by WND has confirmed the authenticity of the strategy memo, which was prepared by a five-person Odinga “core strategy team” led by Peter A. Nyongo, the secretary general of Odinga’s Orange Democratic Movement party, with the assistance of four key Odinga ODM strategists, including Odinga speechwriter Adams Oloo.
Moreover, neither “Fight the Smears” nor the Smith posting disputed the substantive point made in the e-mails, namely that Lippert served to coordinate between Obama and Odinga while Lippert held a staff position in Obama’s U.S. Senate office in Washington.
WND was unable to get a response from Obama with calls to his Washington office and Chicago campaign headquarters.

October 17, 2008
“This is a bombshell. We now have undeniable proof that a significant number of fraudulent voters were cast in Democrat primary races for the New Mexico legislature as a result of ACORN’s voter registration fraud.”
Press release from the New Mexico GOP:
Fraudulent Votes Cast in New Mexico
Obama’s ACORN Must Be Shut Down Before Election, All Activities Investigated
(Albuquerque, NM) – Public records released in New Mexico today confirm that fraudulent voter registrations are in fact turning into fraudulent votes. ACORN, currently under investigation by the FBI, is now confirmed to be responsible for producing fraudulent voter registrations and illegal votes in New Mexico. An inspection of public records has revealed that illegal votes were cast in New Mexico’s 2008 primary election.
But is anyone stupid enough to believe Obama’s paid-off Chicago Machine vote fraud outfit was submitting fraudulent votes in a legislative primary, but not on behalf of their own boy?
Based upon this thin record, can we start throwing around willy-nilly wild accusations that Obama stole the primary from Hillary?
Yes we can.
No one commits voter fraud to pad a margin of victory.

Palin’s recent comments to a crowd about “Pro-American parts of the country” is confirmation that the Republican Party has always been adept and evily clever at pitting one segment of America society against the other in a “divide and conquer” rule. I am so glad they are being found out!
However it was a Wise and Judicious Barack Obama in 2004 who spoke these Uniting words in regards to America’s oneness:
“Even as we speak, there are those who are preparing to divide us, the spin masters and negative ad peddlers who embrace the politics of anything goes. Well, I say to them tonight, there’s not a liberal America and a conservative America; there’s the United States of America. There’s not a black America and white America and Latino America and Asian America; there’s the United States of America. The pundits, the pundits like to slice and dice our country into red states and blue States: red states for Republicans, blue States for Democrats. But I’ve got news for them, too. We worship an awesome God in the blue states, and we don’t like federal agents poking around our libraries in the red states. We coach little league in the blue states and, yes, we’ve got some gay friends in the red states.” –Obama, 2004.
It should be a crime against the American Public and a Betrayal of the Public Trust for McCain and Republicans to be able to get away with obvious lies and distortions by false and misleading Robocalls which try to link an 8 year old Barack Obama with acts committed by Ayers over 30 years ago. It is down right dishonest, dishonorable and misleading. There should be laws against this type of unethical behavior to knowing lie and mislead for gain. This is like one lying on their Resume when applying for a job. It is moraly wrong and unethical!
As for Joe the Plumber who said to Barack, “I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year,” he told Mr. Obama. “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?” Yet, he owes back taxes! So was this another obvious lie? And it belies the fact that if one has $250,000.00 dollars and because he has to pay his fair share of taxes, he is unable to Purchase that business, he is greedy.

There were, what, 5 of them?
I will vote NO on question [x]: Should we be required to wear overalls?
I will vote YES on question [xx]: Should we be required to read news covering more than just our home towns?
Obama/Biden 08!

Angelight wrote: “It should be a crime against the American Public and a Betrayal of the Public Trust for McCain and Republicans to be able to get away with obvious lies and distortions by false and misleading Robocalls which try to link an 8 year old Barack Obama with acts committed by Ayers over 30 years ago.”
It’s not about what happened when Sen. Obama was 8 years old. Bill Ayers did not give up his radical beliefs when Sen. Obama was 8 years old. Bill Ayers continues to espouse anti-America and anti-Capitalism beliefs.
It’s the fact that Sen. Obama has consistently associated with radicals throughout his life. It was being mentored by Frank Marshall Davis for five years when Sen. Obama was 14 to 18 years old. It was studying under the principles of Saul Alinsky when Sen. Obama relocated to Chicago. It was sitting in that pew for 20 years being mentored and pastored by the Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.
All his life Sen. Obama has not only surrounded himself with individuals who have strong anti-America views but they mentored and trained him. And we are to somehow believe that Sen. Obama can so easily dismiss his mentors’ beliefs?

My brother Byron H., From Sunshine in Victoria Austrailia is not a McCain supporter he is backpacking across the US the McCain campaign paid him $550 to hold up signs and protest.
Neither he nor our family supports senator McCain or his discraceful campaign.
Apologies to all.
Kathy H. & Family Melbourne Australia.

The Australia news for your information:
Our news is buzzing with this the Australia Paid by the John McCain camp to Protest Barack Obama is the leader of the Young Liberals in Australia (Conservitive Party..Australia version of the Republicans)
See Newscorp owned news coverage:
Yet again McCain hasnt vetted someone he hires!

AND A QUESTION ?
Oh I forgot to mention isnt it ilegal to pay a non US citizen WHO IS ON A VISITOR VISA ??

Isn’t there something wrong with the fact that Byron Hodkinson the leader of the Young Liberals in Australia is taking part in protests about the US elections ??
I dont think the Australian government or the embassy would be happy with it!

Common Sense, what truth did Sen. Obama tell Joe the plumber? During the debate Sen. Obama said that he essentially told him that, “Five years ago, when you were in a position to buy your business, you needed a tax cut then.” The TRUTH IS that Joe did get a tax cut in 2001 and 2003. In fact, anyone who paid federal income taxes received a tax cut back then.

The cornerstone of Socialism is “spreading the wealth around”.
Socialists believe that wealth should not be concentrated in the possession of a few members of a society (”few” being a relative term), and they believe that only the government should be able to determine how much is “enough” and how much is “too much.” The Socialists view it as the duty of the wealthy to support the non-wealthy.
In the end there is no incentive to work; the entire system collapses – as witnessed by the Soviet Union.
But as Obama pushes his Socialist agenda he should remember a quotation by Karl Marx:
“History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce.”
Obama is the farce part.

James Daley,
The truth that Obama told “Joe the Plumber” was that 95% of Americans need a tax break. They will get that needed break with his tax plan.
As it turns out, even “Joe the Plumber” who makes under 50K a year will also get a tax break — that is, should he decide to be a law-abiding, patriotic citizen and get his tax lien paid up and actually file his taxes.
Obama/Biden 08!

Poor Joe The Plumber! Nobama stalks him on his front door step … gets an honest question… Nobama finally slips up and fesses up “Lets share the wealth and socialize” and the brown shirts are swarming the local records, neighborhood and trash cans looking for dirt on an honest, hard working american who just expressed an opinion. Gee Bawak, sounds like socialism to me too …. but I’m just your average, normal, hard working Phd kinda guy here. Warning …. don’t pull up to my front door and expect the stupidity you get from your puppets.
Why don’t those media folks parked out in front of Joe’s house go check into the back taxes owed by Nobama’s Campaign treasurer.
Vote Nobama-Auyers for a secure and drug free America. God help us all!
Gary the Doctor

“Obama tries to help out the little guy by giving him tax breaks and he’s too stupid to understand’
No. Little guy is too smart to fall for Obama’s BS.

wow…what a crowd….guess these plumbers are looking for work?

These “plumbers” remind me of those conservatives that laughed off Obama’s suggestion that we stop using as much gas? Well guess what. Our consumption has gone down and now so has the price!
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Common Sense- The conservatives didn’t laugh off using less gas, they laughed off Obama’s hooey energy plan of “inflating your tires” will save as much oil as we would drill offshore.
OPEC sets the price of oil, OPEC is foreseeing a recession therefore oil prices are being lowered. The oil consumption wasn’t entirely on the U.S. either, China and other highly populated countries want to live like us,and drive SUV’s instead of riding a bike, their oil consumption has greatly risen. The liberals really like to lay the world problems at the U.S.’s feet but our country is one in only a few that take global warming seriously and take steps to conserve energy. Other countries do not feel so inclined. Turn the outrage to them, not to the “evil” Americans who drive to work everyday or drive an SUV because of the need for space.
If you think that OPEC has lowered the price of a barrel of oil because of less consumption, then why would they do it now, when 48% of the oil platforms in the Gulf were taken out of commission due to Hurricane Ike? Therefore, less oil is being produced for our consumption and simple logic would think that oil prices would be higher.

All you ever need to know about Obama’s political aspirations and plan is described in Saul Alinsky’s philosphy and strategy in ‘organizing’, you know the guy who Obama said influenced him more than anyone else…
This nation is primed for Obama’s ‘strategy’. I’m not going to say to be scared. Read it for yourself, if you dare, and draw your own conclusions. You may still disagree and think he’s genuine. Oh well. Dont listen to facts, figures, history, associations, background, philosophies, idealogies… and we’re not talking campaign speak here, let’s talk real world and acceptance that ‘Oz’ is not really who you might think he is.

The lies spread here and by the McCain campaign just make you shake your head. Obama didn’t “show up on this guy’s doorstep”–Joe approached him on the street and was then closely followed by the McCain team or consrvative folks (how do you think we saw the footage of him watching the debate?) I haven’t heard jow the “undecided voter” say one positive thing about Obama–from his comments and his past voting record, he’s a straight-up Republican. It doesn’t sound as if he is anywhere near ready to buy a business and apparently his boss’s business makes about $150K a year.
This sudden burst of “socialist” horse manure is absurd. How do you folks THINK that we’re paying for this trillion dollar war–Mom’s credit card? Police? Firemen? Highways? Teachers? Libraries? is that all “socialism?” When bridges collapse or teachers get laid off or soldiers don’t have enough body armor, I don’t hear any of you saying “well, you know what? we shouldn’t have to pay for tht anyway–that’s SOCIALIST!” Honestly–it’s embarassing–you expect to get everything for free? And you call yourselves patriotic? Feh…

Yes, “trickle-up poverty” is the answer. What a joke? It scares me to think that an American citizen can ask Obama a question about his tax plan, then his party unleashes the hord on this man. Digging up and conjuring up any information they can against this man making it public. Is this a preview of what is to become of America.

MIke NC,
I’m not Brenda, but I am a poster who is tired of being treated as if I am simple minded if I dare not fall in line in support Barack Obama’s tax proposals. yes, I understand what the man says his plan entails. I understand that he wants us to believe one simple fact– 95% of us get tax cuts, 5% of us get our taxes raised. Sounds lovely, but the truth, even as far as his campaign is willing to admit if you dig through the fine print and tease the meaning out of the “jello” of his statements, is not that simple. People making over 250,000 are guaranteed a tax hike, which is intended, it seems to me, as much to appease class envy as to raise revenue. People making less are lead to believe their taxes will go down. But some of that promise is clever use of words– as I have mentioned in previous posts, a scheduled lowering of the child tax credit would be eliminated, so that you would continue to get 1000 per child rather than have that reduced to 500 per child. Obama’s crew counts this proposal to keep the status quo as a “tax cut.” (Oh, and John McCain proposes moving the credit up to 3000 per child, a much higher “cut” for familes.) In addition, over 40% of Americans don’t have to pay any personal income taxes, so it’s hard to see how you cut “$0.00″ But Obama has found a way– they get a larger earned income credit, so they get a check (or a larger check than at persent) from the government, which he counts as a ‘tax cut.’ Where I live, we call it welfare.
So, even based on what is being “promised” here, I am not moved. McCain’s tax plan is better, in my opinion. But I am also extremely skeptical that any tax legislation Obama gets passed once he is elected will very closely resemble his promises, anyway. He’s already setting things up to blame anything he does on George Bush— I wanted to give you all more money, but because of Bush, we can’t. I had every intention of cutting your taxes, but because the Republicans wrecked the economy, that will have to wait. blah blah blah
So, yes, I understand Obama’s tax proposals– what he want me to think he’s proposing, what he’s actually proposing, and what seems likely he will actually do or not do once elected.

IF THE CORNERSTONE OF SOCIALISM IS SPREADING THE WEALTH AROUNT–THE BUSH AND CHENEY ARE SOCIALISTS FOR THE RICH– SPEADING TAX CUTS FOR BIG OIL AND BAILING OUT WALL STREET CORPUTION WITH OUR 700 BILLION IN TAX DOLLARS-CORPORATE WELFARE. THE PROBLEM IS -THAT IS IS JUST FOR THE ELITE RICH SOCIETY. WORKING PEOPLE ARE ON OUR OWN. MUST BE A SWEET DEAL FOR THE RICH AND A SOCIALIST CASH COW!!- AND AS FOR JOE THE PLUMMER-HE DOESN’T EVEN HAVE A BUSINESS!! HE SAID IT HIMSELF. HE WAS JUST A MCCAIN “PLANT I BELIEVE)- IF HE IS A REPUBLICAN WHY WAS HE AT THE OBAMA RALLY-BECAUSE MCCAIN’S CAMP SENT HIM THERE. MORE OF MCSAME’S LIES. MCCAIN WILL CERTAINLY PAY MORE PLUMMERS TO LIE. ALL THE REPULICANS HAVE EVER HAD WAS DECEIT AND LIES-NO ANSWERS FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS. –OBAMA-BIDEN ALL THE WAY.

So, this is where all the republicans having hallucinations gather! Why are all so-called “conservatives” so scared? Does it not occur to you that perhaps you should be thinking of what is best for your country instead of what is best for your wallet? You greedy bastards. We are the richest country in the world! Even the poorest among us have a hundred times more “wealth” than three-quarters of the rest of the world, have you ever noticed that Americans who are poor are so fat! All I hear is republican joe plumbers whining about paying taxes! How about doing what is right by your country and stop your bitching.

The protestors in the
picture don’t even look
like aspirants to a
250K annual income.
They don’t even know
that they are getting
a tax cut.
Did reporters tell them
that?

Someone should remind McCain and the McCainiacs that good ol’ Joe the Plumber still owes back taxes. Beyond this, why in the world can these morons be complaining when they would actually be getting a tax cut? Unbelievable.

Hi, Sarah! Before you start throwing accusations around that people are lying, maybe we could review the facts. The McCain campaign is not lying about the encounter between Joe W. and Sen. Obama. Let’s see what you said:
” The lies spread here and by the McCain campaign just make you shake your head. Obama didn’t “show up on this guy’s doorstep”–Joe approached him on the street and was then closely followed by the McCain team or consrvative folks (how do you think we saw the footage of him watching the debate?)” What the heck? I’m so tired of reading posts by people who, like their big buddy Obama, want to parse words to twist the situation. Obama did not knock on Joe’s door, not, so maybe technically you could say he did not ‘show up on Joe’s doorstep.’ However, the facts are not in dispute (except among the folks rushing to trash Joe’s reputation and repair that of their candidate)– Obama came to Joe’s neighborhood, on a photo op of pressing the flesh with ordinary voters on a weekend afternoon during some time off from his debate prep. He was trailed by reporters and camera people– this was a political event, and it was Obama who drew the cameras into the neighborhood. Obama was entertaining questions from people on Joe’s street and Joe joined the group and asked a question of his own. Try to remember– this is why Obama was there, to show himself reaching out and trying to appeal to potential voters by listening to their concerns and answering their questions.
You say that after the encounter, Joe was ‘followed closely’ by the McCain campaign or by conservatives, which is why we saw him watching the debate. Sorry, I don’t get this at all. After Joe’s encounter became news and started being talked about on cable news, the McCain campaign wisely reached out to Joe and apparently told him his name would come up in the debate. I did not personally see footage of him watching the debate, but if there were such footage, I would assume it came from an enterprising news organization that wanted the human interest story.
Finally, everyone keeps obsessing on the fact that Joe would get a bigger tax cut, it appears, from an Obama administration than from a McCain administration. Should Joe’s vote, or anyone’s, be for sale to the person who pledges to put the most money in his pocket? Is that the only consideration we have in deciding on a leader for our country– who will give us the biggest amount of tax relief? How bizarre. If Joe decides to vote for John McCain, he will probably decide based on a whole host of reasons, as we all should.
You then went on to say: “I haven’t heard jow the “undecided voter” say one positive thing about Obama–from his comments and his past voting record, he’s a straight-up Republican.”
Again, what’s your point? Only undecided voters can ask a question? Obama should not have to talk to Republicans? An undecided voter can’t have negative things to say about the candidates? Yes, Joe is a registered Republican, and probably was strongly leaning toward McCain. But he had not voted yet and here was one of the two candidates on his own street, entertaining questions. Why not go over and ask about something on his mind? Why is his question so offensive to some of you? Why are you so up in arms because someone had the nerve to ask Obama a question that was not premised on blind devotion to the man?
You conclude: “It doesn’t sound as if he is anywhere near ready to buy a business and apparently his boss’s business makes about $150K a year.” So WHAT? We can only think Obama’s tax plan is wrongheaded if we fall into a particular tax bracket? Joe can’t talk about his ambition to buy his boss’s business unless he provides accurate detailed information about the time frame of his purchase and the yearly gross of the business? the fact that Joe does not fall into a bracket that will, atleast according to The One’s current promises, have their taxes raised, does not change the fact that he is philosophically opposed, as am I, to having the tax code used to take an excessive amount of revenue from one group of people in order to send $500 checks to another group of people who do not pay taxes in the first place.

People who do not pay taxes? Oh, kinda like the McCain sweetheart, Joe the Plumber, who owes $1500 in back taxes.

RealityCheck,
Hon, we diabetics don’t drink kool-aid(t). And I do not expect John McCain to cut my taxes. If he does, that’s great. If he doesn’t, as long as he does not raise them overmuch, I’ll be fine. But you know, I do not base my votes on sheer personal economic benefit. As our pal Spock taught us, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one. (or esp. The One)
My vote will go to John McCain because I think he will be the best leader for our country. I know he will be a strong commander in chief who will keep our country safe. I know he will promote nuclear energy and offshore drilling as well as alternative energy development (such as his prize for an improved electric car battery) in order to make our country energy independent. I know he will handle our financial crisis in a pragmatic way and will investigate the mismanagement of Fannie and Freddie and the way key congresspeople (particularly Democrats like Barney Frank and CHris Dodd) protected these institutions and ignored calls for reform from John McCain and others. I know he will keep taxes low for all Americans (rather than institute a greater transfer of wealth program by ‘reducing taxes’ for the 40% of Americans who don’t pay taxes) and lower them for american corporations, as part of his plan to encourage economic growth. I know he will not raise taxes on small business owners, which would crush the engine of job creation in this country, or insult their intelligence with promises of a one-year 3000 credit for each job created (hardly offsets the cost of creating that job or balances out the tax increases Obama will impose on many of those small businesses). And finally, I know that he will do his best to reform Washington, taking on entrenched interests, hyperpartisanship, government waste, and the corrupting influence of earmarks.
Btw, anybody who can say with a straight face that McCain and Palin share the same mindset as Bush/Cheney is drinking something harder than Kool-Aid (t), it seems to me. McCain will usher in the changes we need, because he has the experience and the judgment to lead.

Is there a definition for a typical Republican? Mine is: Any body who believes that Joe the plumber is real. He’s a plant that got caught. No wonder the republicans are screaming so long and loud. If they scream enough, the fact that he’s a phony and exists nowhere in real life will be ignored. There has got to be a republican somewhere with upper double digit IQ points. Can’t they find him/her?

Can we get beyond one democrat talking point lie? Corporations do not pay taxes
anymore than a house pays property taxes.
Can’t you guys get that through your so
called superior “intellect”.
People pay taxes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What is more telling is that this article doesn’t mention what other reports note – that one of these guys is from Australia and is not voting for anyone, and one of the main guys with plungers is the president of the college republicans.
Could the GOP get any more staged?
I’m a small biz owner and sorry, the reason joe the plumber isn’t getting traction is what he said doesn’t match with what McCain wanted to make him out as.
And labeling people socialists isn’t an insult anymore, it isn’t 1950, and people aren’t looking to angry mobs as a solution to everyday problems.