Obama-Loving Haters Flourishing As Well
Despite most media coverage, the invective and nastiness is — needless to say — not just on the Right.
We’ve written about anti-McCain arson and anti-Palin vileness before, but check out the letters written to the Los Angeles Times after Reason’s Matt Welch — no fan of Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz. — defended McCain from the ludicrous charge he’s a traitor.
Welch writes that "nothing really prepared me for the volume and tenor of outrage when I dared suggest in a family newspaper that published reports disputing McCain’s POW heroism were, in my judgment, incorrect."
People are really becoming unhinged out there.
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Posted by: jamois | October 22, 2008, 1:37 pm 1:37 pm
I don’t think Americans becoming “unhinged” is anything new. There could be more of it this time because everything is higher profile (and race is bound to add to the divisions and emotions). Or maybe we are just magnifying everything more on the internet.
I do think Americans as a whole have an anger-management problem. Or maybe it’s just a human thing.
Posted by: jock59801 | October 22, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
The press in my opinion is making it worse, they print crap that stirs this and then just keep pushing! Some people don’t have all their wires connected and this is just like food for them.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 22, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
The campaign season is way too long in this country. By the time it’s over everybody is so busy reacting to the latest “outrage” they forget what the last one was. Canada just had an election, 6 weeks start to finish, probably cost a lot less than this neverending drama we have going on. For the price of this campaign we could have educated every child in America or at least sent AIG execs out on a team building exercise.
Posted by: Bob Lees | October 22, 2008, 1:48 pm 1:48 pm
There will always be nuts and cranks in the ranks of any campaign’s supporters; the key question is whether the campaign is fueling their nastiness. Obama has repeatedly honored McCain’s military service, while McCain and Palin have accused Obama of “palling around with terrorists.”
Posted by: matt | October 22, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm
Speaking of costs, did you see the break down of the Obama campaign expenditures, they spent $427,000 on just food, just think what some of that money could have done for the poor. (before you get your panties in a wad, I haven’t seen the one for McCain, but I’m sure it is high too)
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 22, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
at least the comments aren’t racial. I’ve seen the n word spray painted on Obama signs in Appomattox VA, where the Civil War ended! so that doesn’t compare to what little negative comments Obama supporters say. Those comments dont deplete the whole fabric of the country….
Posted by: Independent voting Obama | October 22, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm
There should be some polling done on intimidation in this election cycle. I think it would be telling to ask if people feel free to express their choice in this election.
I am surprised to see very few bumper stickers or yard signs. People are afraid.
Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
We can all gert help from Dr. Phill when this is over.
Posted by: Thinking | October 22, 2008, 1:54 pm 1:54 pm
People get smacked in the face if they wear an Obama button in New York – worse than wearing a red soxes hat.
Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
John McCain and John Kerry worked to keep secret the fact that American POWS were left behind in Southeast Asia becuase the government refused to pay reparations to the Viet cong. (And remain to this day American Free Press) Why was McCain/Kerry in such a rush to stop POWS family members from keeping the search for the whereabouts of their loved ones open. McCain got his Vietnam interrgations Classified by the Viet Cong indefintely… During the hearings about the lost POWS, McCain rushed to embrace Bui Tin his VC interrogator, while pushing away the daughter of a POW in the Senate hallway. His attack on Dolores Alfond on tape, belittling her and insulting her in public for just trying to find the truth about her family member is disgusting Why did John fly into a rage when a fellow POW said he (the POW) was interrogated by a Russian military advisor? Why did McCain rush into his face and scream at him to deny it? Is that the behavior of a rational man, or one who can be blackmailed by Soviet intelligence? You be the judge.
Posted by: hmn | October 22, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Some good points made here. We need to shorten the election cycle, put a “ceiling” on how much a candidate can raise to fund his campaign so that they campaign from a level playing field, and stop the hateful back and forth rhetoric. Tell us what you will do to help the people, not what your opponent will do or with whom he “pals” around. The candidates need to urge their supporters to be more civil. Don’t steal another’s campaign signs or deface them, and I say all this as an Obama/Biden supporter. Obama has attempted to tone down his supporters who have booed at McCain’s name being mentioned, but I have yet to see McCain or Palin stop their “fans” from booing (and worse) at Obama. But this campaigning is going on w-a-a-a-a-y to long.
Posted by: geecee | October 22, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
I am rooting for my Obama. He will give me stuff even when I don’t deserve it.
Posted by: Mr. Welfare | October 22, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Independent voting Obama says “at least the comments aren’t racial”
Did you see Murtha calling his constituents red neck racists?
Red neck is a racial slur often leveled at the Irish.
Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Carter was certified as the One in the closing benediction at the 1976 Democratic convention, given by no less a figure than the father of Martin Luther King, Jr. Televised on all three networks (the entire visual media at the time), the benediction heralded Jimmy Carter as someone sent to redeem the country: “Surely the Lord sent Jimmy Carter to come on out and bring America back where she belongs.”
Posted by: Not For Obama | October 22, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
I voted today and feel much better, I did what I could do.
Posted by: Thinking | October 22, 2008, 1:59 pm 1:59 pm
Stil searching for the news….who will cover the issues in this election? I can’t find any newsworthy coverage…HELP HELP HELP
Posted by: justme | October 22, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
there are crazies on both sides
the difference is one candidate is asking them to stop and making sure both he and his runninjg mate do not incite that rhetoric
the other team is inciting it…unapologetically.
same team
same tactics
9th year.
Posted by: dl | October 22, 2008, 2:01 pm 2:01 pm
If the media was fair and balanced, you would hear about:
- Obama’s actual connection to Ayers and his 3 different stories on that connection
- Obama’s connection to Tony Rezco
- Obama’s connection and relationship with Father Phleager and Rev Wrigtht (Black Liberation Theology)
- Obama’s early involvement with the New Party
- The fact that there are at least two lawsuits against Obama to provide his actual birth certificate (I personally
think he probably is natural born, but the news media has not reported the fact that there are lawsuits-not
even Fox…If there was a lawsuit filed against McCain for whatever cause it would be all over the media)
- His corrupt association and funding of ACORN
- Obama has benifitted by the meltdown of the financial networks–if the media would report the rout cause of
this which Obama and his party have their fingerprints all over this–then Obama should have slid in the polls
- His utter lack of any notable accomplishment as a state and US Senator
- His lying on his record of abortion and his many, many policy reversals from the primary to the general
election
I cannot believe that America is about to elect this person. I believe with every ounce of my being that if even half of the dirt on Obama were to be reported this would be a landslide!!!
Posted by: Mark Harris | October 22, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
Now, Sam, listen. This $427,000 you claim Obama’s campaign spent on food? I think you mean the claim in the New York Post that Michelle Obama ordered room service from the Waldorf Astoria in the amount of $427.00 and ordered lobsters and caviar? Is that what you are referring to. Michelle Obama didn’t even stay at the Waldorf Astoria last week and the New York Post had to print a retraction. Get your facts right before you spout off.
Posted by: geecee | October 22, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Letter writing does not equate to vandalism, assault, calls for assasination or theft.
At least these letter writers did not remain cowardly anonymous.
Posted by: Bob | October 22, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
Independent voting Obama I have to seriously disagree with you. I started this season with draft Obama, voted for the man for the senate (lived in IL at the time) until he made the statement about Pakistan, and I thought maybe I had better investigate this a little more. Didn’t like what I read and changed my vote to Hillary, now to McCain. I have NEVER been racist and in fact am married to a minority but I have for way over a year been called the nastiest names because I won’t vote for Obama. I have been called a racist so many times, I figure I might as well be. It destroys the fabric of all American’s the hate spewing, name calling BS that has gone on all these months. It doesn’t only affect someone when they hear or see the N word, it is all of it and until you see that this country is headed for real trouble.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 22, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
I live in North Carolina. I just received my third or fourth mailing from the North Carolina Republican State Executive Committee that trashes Barack Obama. This one is labeled “Crime & Punishment” and has several pictures of Obama and basically states he is soft on crime. What is interesting to me though is that there is never one mention of McCain\Palin anywhere on the mailings. We’ve also received robocalls from the Republican party that trash Obama and barely mention McCain\Palin as well. The Obama campaign on the hand stresses change in its mailings and calls….Same thing in the senatorial campaign. Republicans have been nothing but negative in this state. My take away from all this is Republicans simply have nothing positive about their own ticket which is why they are spending so much money trashing Obama…One of the many reasons why I am not voting for any Republican this campaign…They need to clean up their act….
Posted by: indy_voter | October 22, 2008, 2:05 pm 2:05 pm
Mark Harris – yes, we all agree the media is at best one sided. Obama has unfortunately already won. 30% of the votes are in and those are mainly for Obama. His “95% get a tax refund” pander worked better than even they expected. People sold out for $500.
I think we should be thinking about how we can root out the corruption in the next election. This one is done.
Posted by: today | October 22, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
This is all of the political tactic. After election, it will be gone. Democrats are very aggressive and have gabo money. Bottom line, Obama’s economy plan is to kill the business and let government to take over. Think about, who wants to do business, job much easier, now you have lack incentive to do business, where the job is going to come from. American people want better and low cost product, where you get, overseas. Or you can low the cost of living stand in US, we can produce here.
Posted by: Joke | October 22, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
geecee, I know that you like to think everyone is stupid, but no I wrote what I meant. Drudge is carrying the story, the numbers were released on the 17 and someone compiled them. Before you accuse someone, perhaps you should do a little research.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 22, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Dear Jake,
Just how many people were lynched or killed because of Anti-POW talk. How about some perspective between the threat that each type of letter poses. Maybe one day when your loved one is the victim of hate crime you will understand; until then keep listening to those smokescreen talking points from the right who never take responsibility for their hate.
Posted by: expatfamily | October 22, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
I am really want to know who paid Obama’s family vacation (twice this year) at the beach !!! Private Airplane !!! Must be first class service!!!
Can it refund to charity?
Posted by: wonder | October 22, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
You think the polls are “all tied up”. Okay!! Delusional, like all McCain/Palin supporters. And again, why can’t anything you Obama-haters throw at this guy stick? Maybe it’s becauses all of it is b.s. Every think of that? Not because the MSM won’t investigate, not because the U.S. Governmental intelligence agencies won’t investigate, not because anyone is “covering” up anything. It’s just because it is so much b.s. that is why it isn’t getting any traction. Stop your paranoid postings. They aren’t working!
Posted by: geecee | October 22, 2008, 2:09 pm 2:09 pm
The media..including you Jake, need to take some responsiblity in all of this hate. Have you reported yet that the shouts of Kill him and the like from the Palin rally were found to be FALSE by the Secret Service investigation…if any media outlet did it was in small print. Even Obama repeated it during the debate. he should aplogize for spreading such hate – when he knew it wasn’t true. Day after day, Jake, you print stuff that is downright incendiary to all the nuts. Just listen to the stuff that people say on this website. Frankly, I’m very worried about election nite. Article in the HILL today says police in major cities are preparing for riots. That’s not cool people.
Posted by: mots | October 22, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
wonder, maybe that came out of the $550,000 unaccounted for in the Obama campaign funds. Just a thought.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 22, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
You want to talk about anger in this election? In my town McCain signs are posted high in trees, so they won’t be stolen. People have floodlights on all night so they can see if anyone comes in their yard to steal their signs. One man posted this sign in his yard: OBAMA THUGS STOLE MY SIGN. His neighbor constructed his own Obama sign – about five week wide and four feet tall. Someone fired a few bullet holes in it. My neighbor had 2 Obama campaigners come to her door. She slammed the door in their faces, after calling them words I can’t repeat. Tensions are running high here. Can’t wait til this whole thing’s over!!!
Posted by: Is It Over Yet? | October 22, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
Where can i find journalist covering the issues???? In a nonpartisan manner.
Posted by: justme | October 22, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
I think it’s fair to say that a lot of good in the media has died this election cycle.
* We now know that the media has the power to elect a president of their choice, and that they are willing to do so without hesitation
* Any specter of objectivity from the media is dead
* Perhaps not new, but politicians can still tell the people what they want to hear, despite their conflicting voting record, and the media won’t call them out on it.
* People are willing to sacrifice an honest democratic election in favor of one full of fraud in order to secure their candidates’ victory
America is dead. What will rise from it’s ashes we shall see, but I’m afraid it won’t be any good.
Posted by: ja | October 22, 2008, 2:18 pm 2:18 pm
I just need to point out here,
the difference-and the need to raise an eyebrow to this article.
so we get letters-we cannot verify who wrote them, which makes me wonder.
we are able to see the nasty mccain people always on tv, always at rally’s
we hear it encouraged by palin, mccain, and their surrogates.
how do i know this letter writing stuff is ligit, or is it just way for the media to create some fair and balanced.
(there is plenty nasty from the mccain people, lets create some letter on the obama side-)
Posted by: cheer up,smile,nertz! | October 22, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
wonder – are you referring to Obama’s family vacation in Hawaii this August? Yes, he went with his family and visited his grandmother every day he was there. (News reporters who were on the trip have verified this). I saw it written by some poster that he visited his grandmother for 1 hour the entire trip. Where this person got that information is highly dubious. In any event, that is the only vacation the Obamas took, and if you want to call it “the beach” I guess there are a lot of beaches in Hawaii, but his family also lives there. When was his other “vacation”? And I am sure he paid his fair share of the expenses. He wouldn’t risk getting called out on that, I am sure.
Posted by: geecee | October 22, 2008, 2:19 pm 2:19 pm
Jake: Why do you say “people” are becoming unhinged, when it is “Obama supporters” who are becoming unhinged?
Posted by: 666 | October 22, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Forgot to add:
* If you’re an average citizen who asks a politician a tough question, and the politician doesn’t answer it properly….and if the politician is a media favorite….expect that average citizen to have his life picked apart. People should now be afraid to ask tough questions to politicians as it could uproot their lives
* Paid bloggers now overrun any possible rational discussion about politics.
* The media now can get paid unprecedented amounts of money from candidates, and so have financial incentive to show favoritism. This as a result of people now no longer taking public financing for elections.
Sad days indeed.
Posted by: ja | October 22, 2008, 2:23 pm 2:23 pm
Mark Harris
There actually has been at least one lawsuit challenging McCain’s eligibility. It was thrown out in September.
FactCheck has pretty much dismissed both concerns for McCain and Obama. Although they do warn that there is the thinnest chance of having McCain’s eligibility challenged, should he be elected, it is unlikely. The fact that the Senate voted unanimously for a non-binding resolution that states that McCain is eligible pretty much eliminates a challenge. A constitutional lawyer (I’ve lost my source on this) says that it is highly unlikely that the Supreme Court would overturn the Senate’s resolution. Thus is would set precedent and pretty much resolve the issue for good.
Posted by: This is SO Old | October 22, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
In the end we all believe just what the media tells us.
Posted by: Bishop | October 22, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Sorry that so many of you “fear” an Obama/Biden victory. But they will win “resoundingly” and the McCain/Palin supporters will just have to grin and bear it, just as we have had to “grin and bear” the past 8 years under Bush/Cheney, who have destroyed this country nearly beyond repair. We can only hope Obama/Biden are able to restore our stature to the greatness we all know the U.S.A is capable of. Our country has been terribly tarnished by the current administration, and McCain/Palin do not have a clue on how to polish it.
Posted by: geecee | October 22, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
666 said: Jake: Why do you say “people” are becoming unhinged, when it is “Obama supporters” who are becoming unhinged?
I beg to differ. I’m conservative, but I have found the venom spewed from both sides. I appreciate the fact that Jake at least is giving equal time to this. Something we’re not likely to find on the other msm’s.
It’s not secret the msm’s are supporting Obama, and it’s sad. I don’t want them to not support the candidate whom they agree with, on a personal level, but the personal has no place in the press.
What was once meant to be a profession that protected people, by digging for the truth, against government, has now become a campaign supporting group, for one side.
Gone are the days of unbiased, and professional reporting. The trust went away as well…and that is truly sad.
The proof is in the pudding. All 3 major networks, ABC, NBC, and CBS have seen their viewership decline over the last month. By roughly a million viewers each.
Don’t blame the viewers, when the Networks refused to do their jobs, and chose to play Political pundits.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 2:29 pm 2:29 pm
“Speaking of costs, did you see the break down of the Obama campaign expenditures, they spent $427,000 on just food, just think what some of that money could have done for the poor. (before you get your panties in a wad, I haven’t seen the one for McCain, but I’m sure it is high too)”
So a right winger attacks, then admits his attack is bogus.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 22, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
There is no equivalence between the negative tone of McCain’s rallies and the consequent rage that is unleashed…
And the positive tone of the Obama rallies and the relatively mild forms of rage that is expressed.
Both sides are ratcheted up and intense.
The difference is that Obama, personally, does his best to keep things civil while McCain tries to inspire anger and fear.
Posted by: Joe the Janitor | October 22, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm
We can only hope Obama/Biden are able to restore our stature to the greatness we all know the U.S.A is capable of. Our country has been terribly tarnished by the current administration, and McCain/Palin do not have a clue on how to polish it.
In 2 world wars, America stepped up to the plate, and helped our European allies fight against oppression. In the years following, socialism settled into these nations, and an unwillingness to defend.
France had riots. Germany, England, Spain have all had attacks on their soil post 9/11. We have had none.
I want world peace, and I don’t doubt all of us do. But Obama is an appeaser, and his associations with terrorist sympathizers that hate, Israel bother me.
Iran has laid out preconditions for talking with the United States. Iran is a country that supports Terrorism, and has expressed a hate for the U.S. and has called for the complete destruction of Israel.
That being said…how do you want Obama to handle this demands from this nation, on their preconditions for talks?
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 2:34 pm 2:34 pm
The proof is in the pudding. All 3 major networks, ABC, NBC, and CBS have seen their viewership decline over the last month. By roughly a million viewers each.”
Jeanie can’t even get the Drudge report right.
CBSNEWS w/ Couric shed a half a million viewers, falling from 6.4 million to 5.9 million; ABCNEWS dropped from 8.1 million to 7.6 million; NBCNEWS slumped from 8.2 million to 7.8 million.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 22, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
It was Bob Marley who sang in one his musicals albums that “who Jah bless,no one curses”.Obama has been ordained by God to be the nxt USA president,so no amount of hate mail can prevent him from not presiding 4rm the white house come jan 2009.
Ray
Posted by: Ray | October 22, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
It was Bob Marley who sang in one his musicals albums that “who Jah bless,no one curses”.Obama has been ordained by God to be the nxt USA president,so no amount of hate mail can prevent him from not presiding 4rm the white house come jan 2009.
Ray
Posted by: Ray | October 22, 2008, 2:35 pm 2:35 pm
The difference is that Obama, personally, does his best to keep things civil while McCain tries to inspire anger and fear.
McCain repudiated remarks made. “Kill him” never happened. McCain has apologized, and changed the tone. When Joe the Plumber came to the scene, and was being trashed, and investigated, Obama acknowledged that he knew it was going on, but hasn’t repudiated it. He and Biden decided instead, this man must be punished, for daring to ask a question, to which, Obama’s answer was what set things in motion. Not the question……..the answer.
Does Obama repudiate the attacks on this man? No. He mocks, belittles, and makes fun of him. The working man. The very type of person he allegedly champions for.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
Thank you for stating the obvious (yes, I mean that sincerely). There are nuts hating on both sides. There are people who act unhinged on both sides. By and large, it is only the haters supporting McCain who get called out. This is disturbing. When I talk to people in my community, I hear people saying, The Republicans are being so hateful. I ask if I have been hateful– well, no, they say. I ask for examples, and they talk about the ‘kill him’ meme and the ‘he’s a muslim’ nonsense. I remind them that McCain is not responsible for either. I don’t bother to ask if they’ve heard about the McCain supporter smashed in the face with her own sign, or the paintballing of the Straight Talk Express. I do not ask them about the scurrilous statements about McCain’s POW years. I do not want to get into a “oh, yeah, well, so’s your mother.” BUt it is hard, I must tell you.
Posted by: moderate | October 22, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
I will admit it I will never vote for a Democrat every again if that makes a Rascist then so be it.
Posted by: Joan Duggan | October 22, 2008, 2:39 pm 2:39 pm
No matter Ryan C.
I’m sure the three anchors won’t mind sharing their money with you.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 2:40 pm 2:40 pm
“The difference is that Obama, personally, does his best to keep things civil while McCain tries to inspire anger and fear.”
Riiight. And that’s why Obama was baiting a hypothetical John McCain who might, in some possible universe, mention the fact Barack Obama is black.
Who are you people? Are you just being paid to blog or are you truly this blind?
Posted by: ja | October 22, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm
Ryan C “Speaking of costs, did you see the break down of the Obama campaign expenditures, they spent $427,000 on just food, just think what some of that money could have done for the poor. (before you get your panties in a wad, I haven’t seen the one for McCain, but I’m sure it is high too)”
So a right winger attacks, then admits his attack is bogus.
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How did I admit my attack is bogus? The numbers stand, the post is in response to the stupid high price of this election. BTW if I have told you once Ryan I have told you a dozen times. I am not a right wingers, born and raised a dem, consider myself an independent, who tends to lean a little more toward libertarian, but whatever, I know you Obots are big on calling people names, so call me anything, just don’t call me late for dinner.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 22, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
geezus …. obama called Clinton racist and the media just kept on praising obama
the guy is evil incarnate.
Posted by: trettione | October 22, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
To geecee:
Where was Obama during East Holiday? I sure remember the photo in the headline.
Barack Obama Takes in Virgin Islands on Vacation
I am sure he is rich enough to pay the plane his family used ! But has he paid?
Posted by: WONDER | October 22, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
For all of you that consider McCain a “hero”,
Getting shot down over Vietnam does not make one a hero…it makes you “unlucky” or a “bad pilot”.
Being a surviving POW does not make you a “hero”, it means you were “lucky” or “benefitted from having an admiral for a father” OR, “you made 32+ propaganda tapes for the enemy”.
For those of you that believe McCain is a “hero”, why didn’t the Navy promote him twice automatically as is the norm during his 5.5 years of captivity??
(POWs, as a matter of DoD policy, are automatically promoted as they become eligible during periods of captivity since they are unable to compete for promotion.)
Fact is that McCain has fought REAL HARD to make sure that documents that dispute his record of his service remain sealed and hidden from the public, even to the extent of leaving fellow POWs behind in Vietnam.
They didn’t call him “songbird” for nothing
For those of you that would believe that McCain had the “option” to be released early but refused release I ask, since when do POWs have “options”?
Hey, I’m a vet and McCain is no “hero”!
Posted by: Bob | October 22, 2008, 2:47 pm 2:47 pm
Hate is what makes a racist …not your vote. Voting for republicans just makes you a sucker. I think it’s time people back away from the idea that all McCain/Palin supporters are racists and realize that many of them may just simply be stupid.
Posted by: Hokie Freak | October 22, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm
“McCain repudiated remarks made.”
Did he repudiate Michelle Bachmann?
How about Robin Raye?
Posted by: Ryan C | October 22, 2008, 2:51 pm 2:51 pm
You bet I am afraid of a McCain win, my life is literally at stake. I already being on SSI with a Medicare HMO can not affor all the drugs my doctor wants me on eg Crestor.
If they win I am going to have to leave the USA to find medical care in Canada or Mexico. This is no joke.
Posted by: Ranger Phx | October 22, 2008, 2:54 pm 2:54 pm
How in the H*** did everyone become so besotted with Obama? He is the MOST arrogant man I have ever seen, and I am a as far left liberal as you can imagine. I am personally sick of paying out of my taxes (which will not lower) monies to the welfare families who are too lazy to get off their butts and work..this will not change with an Obama White House…AND in each debate Senator McCain had the respect to refer to Obama as Sen Obama, could he do the same? Of course not, all night he referred to McCain as John, simple arrogance. Now, here’s some advice from my late mother, queen of Democrats, God rest her soul…she told me from a very young age, “you are only as good as your friends.” NOW, let’s apply this to Obama: 1. the 2 freakshow pastors (I refuse to write their names) who Barack stayed with for 20 years, not months, not days, 20 YEARS PEOPLE, 2. ummm Tony Rezco who is in jail now and who helped him procure his mortgage, 3. Bill Ayres, where Barack started his political career, and 4. ACORN, which is the most disgusting community organization I have EVER been witness to!!! People WAK THE H*** UP!!! Acorn will be getting millions of dollars of OUR monies!!!!! Quit thinking of Obama as the 2nd coming and wake up and smell the coffee (or with Obama should I say, latte, capp, frozen, whatever, because I’m sure just plain ‘ole coffee is not good enough for him.)
Posted by: ameizme | October 22, 2008, 3:05 pm 3:05 pm
Did Obama repudiate Murtha?
btw…when Lynn Swann was running against Rendell, those same people Murtha claimed to be racist, and rednecks, voted for Swann…and Philly voted Rendell.
So a repudiation is very much needed here. The people actually voted per their beliefs, and not the color of a person skin.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
“I am a as far left liberal as you can imagine. I am personally sick of paying out of my taxes (which will not lower) monies to the welfare families who are too lazy to get off their butts and work”
ROFLMAO.
Right wingers don’t even realize how stupid they sound when they pretend to be someone else.
Posted by: Ryan C | October 22, 2008, 3:16 pm 3:16 pm
“btw…when Lynn Swann was running against Rendell, those same people Murtha claimed to be racist, and rednecks, voted for Swann”
Wow Lynn Swann doing well in the Pittsburgh area…whodathunkit!
Posted by: Ryan C | October 22, 2008, 3:17 pm 3:17 pm
Yes, voters are getting mean and angry. John McCain and Sarah Palin and Republican Party have caused it all. They have publicly endorsed in their rallies rallies hate mongering, terrorist, socialist, kill him. John McCain has employed same people who conducted same smears against him to help him now in this campaign. The robocalls are quite nasty. Actually defaming and scary.
Competition is good. But Republicans are dividing the nation.
Are riots next??? Is an assassination next?? What will happen John McCain??? Will they indict John McCain and Sarah Palin for this criminal conduct??? Their part playing to crowd psychological enticement to riot, killing??? Why are these action criminalized??
Posted by: Sharonklim | October 22, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
Was Matt Welch with McCain in Vietnam? No, so he has no business standing up for him. I read the Rolling Stone article, and bravo to the author for questioning the standard “McCain is a war hero” rhetoric. Also, the article never called McCain a traitor. The article pointed out that POWs did not accept early release because that would also mean they would have to publically denounce the US government and face court martial. So OF COURSE POWs didn’t accept. McCain was no war hero.
Posted by: kpeacen | October 22, 2008, 3:25 pm 3:25 pm
It was Bob Marley who sang in one his musicals albums that “who Jah bless,no one curses”.Obama has been ordained by God to be the nxt USA president,so no amount of hate mail can prevent him from not presiding 4rm the white house come jan 2009.
Ray
The Bible says…Beware of false Prophets.
I have a hard time believing God would send someone who advocates abortion, and non care to infants born alive from botched abortions.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm
Yes, voters are getting mean and angry. John McCain and Sarah Palin and Republican Party have caused it all.
Ummm nope. Obama started throwing race into this, years ago, and I for one, and I’m sure I’m one of many, that are sick and tired of being called racist because we don’t bow to Obama.
I don’t agree with Obama’s ideologies. It’s as simple as that. It has nothing to do with the color of his skin. I don’t agree with any hate being spewed from either side, but it’s coming from both sides. Not just one.
This is part 2. Last night Jake had a blog up espousing the hate coming from the right.
I do agree with it. It’s not one sided, it’s coming from both sides.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 3:29 pm 3:29 pm
Vandals defaced the garage at Sen. Norm Coleman’s home, his campaign and police said Wednesday.
Coleman and his wife, Laurie, live in the Crocus Hill neighborhood of St. Paul. Graffiti left on the outside of their garage reads: “U R A criminal resign or else”; “Scum,” which is written three times; and “Psalm 2.” …
Laurie Coleman, the senator’s wife, told the St. Paul Pioneer Press that the family’s garage has been marked at least once before, but the latest incident was worse.
“This is just threatening,” she said.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 3:31 pm 3:31 pm
For all of Obama’s claims to Ayers being “just a guy in my neighborhood,” it appears that Obama and Ayers worked out of the same office building in Chicago for about three years during the late 90s, early 00s.
Posted by: SandyB | October 22, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
You bet I am afraid of a McCain win, my life is literally at stake. I already being on SSI with a Medicare HMO can not affor all the drugs my doctor wants me on eg Crestor.
If they win I am going to have to leave the USA to find medical care in Canada or Mexico. This is no joke.
Posted by: Ranger Phx | Oct 22, 2008 2:54:50 PM
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Don’t be afraid of McCain. Socialized medicine is not what we want. It takes months to see doctors and if you are a certain age they will just let you die. Put a pencil to the amount of money it costs for your HMO, most do not cost $5,000. per year. Mine doesn’t and I am in the same boat with you. Try Walmart for your prescriptions some cost as little as $4. Crestor has a generic: Rosuvastatin, it will be cheaper. Or, maybe your doctor will give you a prescription for a cheaper drug. Socialism hasn’t worked in other countries and it won’t work in the US of A.
Posted by: Whoever | October 22, 2008, 3:34 pm 3:34 pm
jeanie,
“I have a hard time believing God would send someone who advocates abortion”
Really? How many unborn babies died in the great flood? How many post-birth abortions during passover?
Posted by: hmmm | October 22, 2008, 3:40 pm 3:40 pm
Really? How many unborn babies died in the great flood? How many post-birth abortions during passover?
By Gods hand can be compared to mans hand?
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
From a radio interview in 2002, in California.
BILL AYERS: I considered myself partly an anarchist then. I consider myself partly an anarchist now. I mean, I’m as much an anarchist as I am a Marxist, which is to say, you know, I find a lot of the ideas in anarchism appealing. We create felons by having these kind of archaic, puritan drug laws that make no sense whatsoever in any logical way. So in that sense, I still feel like kind of an anarchist. I don’t feel like the rules apply. And if they don’t apply, I don’t feel like you should follow them. Is one of those regrets that I took extreme measures against the United States at a time of tremendous crisis? No, it is not. I don’t regret that. There is a struggle over various religious fundamentalisms, Jihad being the most visible. But the religious fundamentalism of the Christians and the Jews is equally troubling.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
I gave McCain’s 2000 campaign several hundred dollars, had a McCain sign in my car and window for months, and even was recruited to be on his delegate list for the convention (he lost my state).
But 8 years later it’s become pretty evident to me that John McCain is one of the biggest phonies around. The guy touts himself as being so great and moral, when his actions of the past 30 years show him to be singularly self-serving.
I can understand why so many people questioned his character and temperment in the 2000 campaign. The man is clearly unstable. Is it any wonder that so many of those Republicans who are most concerned about national security have abandoned McCain?
He has come to represent all that is wrong with the Republican party. And after the campaign that McCain has run and his angry comments and inconsistent actions, I have lost all respect for the man. His campaign has done great damage to this country.
The only thing that John McCain puts first is John McCain.
Posted by: Bud | October 22, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm
it appears that Obama and Ayers worked out of the same office building in Chicago for about three years during the late 90s, early 00s.
Posted by: SandyB | Oct 22, 2008 3:32:11 PM
OH NO, are you serious…..the same building. What is this world coming to.
Posted by: d | October 22, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
How can a rational thinking person say that McCain and Palin have started the
anger and hate in this campaign. The dems have played “dirty pool” by denying anything that is released to us even when the evidence is stareing all of us in the face. Any evidence proving wrongdoing from obana is covered up like a cat with diarrhea. Anything said by the repubs, they come back with something negative about them. Does this sound like fair? Any remarks made to appear hateful and mean were probably coming from the left to incite an uprising from the media, just to make sure we don’t forget to vote for obana…Well I am much smarter then the media. I don’t want socialism!!!!
Posted by: Whoever | October 22, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
Bud,
Very well said. McCain could have changed the tone of this campaign any time he wanted to. He didn’t want to.
Posted by: indy_voter | October 22, 2008, 4:03 pm 4:03 pm
You bet I am afraid of a McCain win, my life is literally at stake. I already being on SSI with a Medicare HMO can not affor all the drugs my doctor wants me on eg Crestor.
If they win I am going to have to leave the USA to find medical care in Canada or Mexico. This is no joke.
Posted by: Ranger Phx | Oct 22, 2008 2:54:50 PM
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Canadians are being declined health care and are having to cross the border into the U.S. to get treatment. If you are an older American and battling cancer for the third time, for example, they can say you have reached your limit. This is happening in the UK, and the health care there is rationed by the government, over 1/2 of cancer patients cannot get care, they suffer from shortage of staff, and rising tide of patient complaints. Their government suppresses information to curtail the demand for choice. Keep in mind that their population is 60,000,000 compared to ours 301,000,000 and they are having a hard time paying for it. They have cut all other funding to pay for it. Their Welfare is provided by independent and voluntary charity organizations.
Posted by: S Adams | October 22, 2008, 4:05 pm 4:05 pm
Whoever,
In which direction does sun rise in your world? Or does it? McCain has a declared strategy to attack Obama’s character. And in my state North Carolina he is distributing anti-Obama literature that makes no mention of McCain. So, is that a positive message he is presenting? The trouble with some Republicans is they can’t tell the difference between attacking a man’s and positions and attacking a man’s character.
Posted by: indy_voter | October 22, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Bud, I respect your right to choose whom you want to vote for…
But I personally would trust national security to a man that has actual experience in the field, and in government.
I can’t rely on Obama, as I don’t trust him. He’s spent to much time, and I personally have no doubts, taken influence from self confessed anarchists, terrorist sympathizers, and members of the communist party.
For me, those are the antithesis of what America is…and I can’t get behind a man, that has to this point, has not been completely upfront and honest. Yes, he answered to questions on Ayres, but then new info comes up every day.
For weeks 2 campaign workers denied, that Obama wrote a blurb for Ayres book. Well it took a blogger to go to the library, and do the research. There on microfilm, from a newpaper, was the blurb, written by Obama, on Ayres book.
Soon after this was brought to light, a video, of these 2 Obama workers saying it was untrue…disappeared. Just to many questions, and not enough answers.
I don’t think McCain is perfect. Not by any means. But when it comes down to it, in my humble opinion, he is the better choice….for me.
I agree. I don’t like socialism, and by definition, redistrubtion of wealth, is socialism. I don’t want my country headed down that road.
Should Obama become our President, I won’t have a choice, but to accept it…but with him wanting control over union voting, and full transparency of which employee is voting for , or against union…carbon taxes, and control over our internet activity…that’s to much for me.
Not to mention Barney Franks saying more taxes!
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 4:08 pm 4:08 pm
Welch attacked the Rolling Stone piece:
Tom Dickenson wrote in Rolling Stone: “Like many American POWs, McCain broke down under torture and offered a ‘confession’ to his North Vietnamese captors.”
Matt Welch offered this slam-dunk rebuttal: “The harsh truth is that the overwhelming majority of POWs, including McCain, ‘broke’ under torture at some point.”
Wow! Welch really shut those haters up, didn’t he?
Posted by: Mike | October 22, 2008, 4:18 pm 4:18 pm
Obama people, aided by the media, did the same thing to Hillary Clinton. Obama’s campaign on “Change” is the biggest farce of all. I vowed never to vote for him after that horse broke down and his supporters posted comments hoping the same would happen to Clinton-all because she bet on it. Obama has brought out the worst in people. This is and has always been his style of politics and anyone who has followed his career knows it. From Alice Palmer to John McCain and everyone in between, Obama and his handlers will stop at nothing.
Posted by: RL in Illinois | October 22, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Jeanie
Apparently many millions of Americans disagree with your assessment of Obama. Isn’t democracy great?
Posted by: jock59801 | October 22, 2008, 4:29 pm 4:29 pm
A typical sample of the comments that Welch thinks are “outrage”:
“From thousands of feet in the air, McCain was dropping bombs and nepalm on human beings who never attacked us. That was cowardly and violent promotion of imperialism, not heroism.”
While I wouldn’t call it cowardly (the thousands of anti-war GI’s who DID protest faced very dire consequences, but their courage doesn’t make all the others who blindly followed illegal orders into ‘cowards’), this commenter is pointing out that people who are making a hero out of McCain are arguing that the Vietnam was not an illegal war of aggression.
I think it is more of a criticism of Welch than McCain.
Posted by: Mike | October 22, 2008, 4:32 pm 4:32 pm
“Obama has brought out the worst in people.”
Yes, I suppose it is the black guy’s fault that if both candidates were white we wouldn’t be hearing the worst in people come out.
Posted by: Mike | October 22, 2008, 4:41 pm 4:41 pm
You know, Bud.
I meant no animosity in my post, and if it came across that way…my apologies.
I do however, find it beyond coincidence, that when someone voices their opinion, and says it’s only in their personal beliefs, and opinions, they are attacked, with words like stupid, idiotic, babbling.
Yes. I took offense at that, as I simply voiced my opinion, for me, and me alone…and afforded you the respect to choose whom you want to vote for.
That was no reciprocated, and rarely is it reciprocated…which boils down to this.
The very hate, and vitriole you espouse to be coming from the Conservatives, is being spewed here daily, by Liberals.
Thank you for affording me the respect I afforded you, and I will leave you with this…..I respect your opinions, but not your hatred.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm
I’ll change my deleted answer to a question…Mike 4:41:56 Do you realize what you are saying(playing)?
Posted by: RL in Illinois | October 22, 2008, 5:24 pm 5:24 pm
Apparently many millions of Americans disagree with your assessment of Obama. Isn’t democracy great?
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Or perhaps, the fear of being labeled a racist, stupid, idiot, moron, hate monger, war monger, or any other putrid names you can call out to those who ascribe to a different belief, are afraid to speak out.
Perhaps they too number, in the millions.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
Okay, Jeannie,
So, I’m a hater.
And Obama, “according to your opinion”:
is a socialist whose greatest influence comes from:
anarchists, communists, and terrorist sympathizers
and he’s going to exercise:
“control over our internet activity”
and bring us carbon taxes
and is obviously against union people
Did I get all that down correctly?
I’ll be sure to write all that down so I can post it into every thread on this board.
Posted by: Bud | October 22, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm
And Colin Powell is praised by Obama supporters. Biden is praised by Obama supporters. But Hillary , you must know by now is evil. Why? Because she voted to give Bush the power to defend America and Iraq from Hussein. Which she learned about from the pack of lies sold to her by Powell and Biden. Yea, she is evil according to Obama supporters and the media. You gave us Bush. You sold us the Iraq War. Now that you are selling Obama, I’m not buying this time Jake my boy.
Posted by: glennmcgahee | October 22, 2008, 6:18 pm 6:18 pm
If people wonder why there is anger in this country, maybe it is because:
-more than 4,000 of our brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters have been killed in an unnecessary war;
-$1 trillion was spent on that unnecessary war;
-All that we were told about going into that unnecessary war was proved to be untrue;
-America has lost all credibility and moral suasion in the world because of that unnecessary war;
-Our global diplomacy is shattered;
-America has lost its legitimacy to criticize other countries about Human Rights, because we set up an extra-judicial camp and have practiced what John McCain has described as “torture”;
-The policies of our current president, in pursuing that unnecessary war, has put every American at greater risk of injury and death when they travel abroad;
-Our national debt was allowed to double to nearly $10 trillion (under 8 years of GWB and 6 under a GOP Congress);
-Our president pursued a divisive strategy to call anyone who opposed or questioned his policies “un-American”;
-Instead of putting competent people in charge of government, only the politically loyal were employed, resulting in:
-Our troops going into battle without proper body armour, and without the necessary numbers of troops;
-Those responsible for all those mistakes in the Pentagon never being held accountable;
-Katrina;
-Letting Enron, et. al. bankrupt utilities and overcharge utilitiy customers;
-etc, etc, etc
-And now, after pursuing continued deregulation, allowing America’s financial industry to implode, resulting in:
the addition of more than $1 trillion to the nation’s debt obligations;
the devaluing of our currency;
and the weakening of the entire global economy;
—
And to top it all off, someone decided it was important to spend millions of dollars of presidential campaign advertisements to talk about:
William Ayers, Brittany Spears, and Paris Hilton?
So, please excuse me if I don’t win Miss Congeniality on this forum….
Posted by: Bud | October 22, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
Free choice act, which Obama is for….
“The Employee Free Choice Act would strip American workers of their right to a private-ballot vote, require companies to submit to binding arbitration, and increase penalties for unfair labor practices committed by employers but not by unions. Each of these provisions would be bad for American workers.”
I am not against unions, as they do provide a good service to employees, but exposing employees names when trying to unionize isn’t right, in my opinion. Secret ballot only.
However, passing this won’t ensure better pay. This won’t force Walmarts hand per say. They will close up, and move operations to a town a few miles away, who would welcome the business revenue.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 6:44 pm 6:44 pm
I agree Bud, I didn’t want us in Iraq…and I was angry.
I for myself had to find something, to make it all worthwhile. One shred, of goodness that came out of it.
I read a story about one of Saddams sons. He had a girlfriend, and decided he was done with her, and moved on. Of course as happens in relationships, anger, bitterness, scorn. She scorned him to her friends. Word of this scorn got back to the son.
He had some men pick her up, and bring her to him. Where he commenced to beat her to death. While beating her, he raped her with a live electric cable.
After reading that, and knowing that these men could no longer hurt a woman, child, even another man in this fashion….brought some reconciliation for me.
After I read that, and having had nephews and nieces over there…and to hear their perspective, which was entirely different then what I was hearing on the news….and then a friend losing her son….and to this day she’s proud of him. Not angry…well that’s helped me thru.
There is also a compelling story I read about a man who was picked to be one of the sons doubles, in case of assassination. He had to give up his family, and life. Not by his will, but by theirs.
He now lives in Ireland, I believe. Freely.
When Rwanda happened, NATO was powerless…and the people asked..were were we? Not just the U.S. but the world. I know we can’t save the world, but to see a person walk down the street, and the possibility of a free, democratic nation for this nation…perhaps one day, this will spread, and freedom can be known everywhere?
I don’t know. That’s how I reconciled myself. I won’t say it was right for us to go in, but the outcome is good. To me
No hard feelings. I’m really not trying to cause you any hurt.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 22, 2008, 7:15 pm 7:15 pm
Yes they are BUT non of them says KILL McCain or Palin.And you never hear supporters of Obama says UGLY things at the Obama or Biden Raly or at the Clinton raly`s about Palin or McCain.
So lets be real and keep it real.
Those people at McCain/Palin raly`s are really scary.
Obama/Biden 2008
Posted by: maribomba | October 22, 2008, 9:26 pm 9:26 pm
The McCainsss here are realy angry because they are losing.
Please Obamasssss do not be angry at them they are just crying here.
Im very happy to see McCain goes down.
And i wil pray every day for him to go down,more and more.
Im very happy for Obama hahahahaha.
Obama Biden 2008
hahahahahahahahahaha
Posted by: maribomba | October 22, 2008, 9:33 pm 9:33 pm
There’s a reason I was taught at an early age not to talk about religion, politics and what I earn amongst friends…it always leads to hurt feelings.
Jake, your forum here is also filled with some pretty vile stuff, so this does not come as a surprise. The class warfare has been going on for a while. Often people think it was Nixon who started it, but it has been going on for a long, long time.
The difference today is that the left are doing it out of anger and frustration and the right does it for politics to advance their agenda. That’s the way I see it.
Posted by: Ed S | October 22, 2008, 10:18 pm 10:18 pm
WOW! I get it!! My comment stayed up for 3 Minutes. I said if Obama wins the Republicans will be dissappointed. If McCain wins the cities will burn!! It’s true! Hide your McCain/ Palin signs because you will become a target. Voice your vote in the booth. They can’t follow you there….YET!! Bet this doesn’t even get posted. So much for free speech!
Posted by: stayfree | October 23, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am
Jake, this sort of thing has been happening on the left for two years as they Shredded HRC. Where have you been?
The hate, false claims of racism, the very real sexism on the left and in the media (Olberman should be fired and Tweety too)along with the stolen caucus votes and intimidation that happened in TX and elsewhere are the reason many liberal women and men are NOT voting Obama. We do not want to reward the behavior of the DNC (particularly Donna B.), the opportunistic Super delegates, the corporate (Liberal? LOL)elite media and mostly Obama campaign with a win in November. That would only entrench their skanky behavior and make it acceptable practice.
Posted by: TeresaInPa | October 23, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am
The only thing surprising here is that this is the first time Jake has seen reason to comment on this topic. The hate-filled, “unity” loving Obots are nothing new — they have been spewing their poison for anyone who dares question “The One” for almost two years now. No criticism of Obama is legitimate, and anyone who questions him is a racist — get used to it — this is the change you’ve all been waiting for.
Posted by: Not Surprising | October 23, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
Cities will burn to the ground if Obama loses.
That’s all you need to know about Obama supporters.
Posted by: Dan Tana | October 23, 2008, 11:00 pm 11:00 pm
What? You mean the party of peace & tolerance has haters & racists? I am shocked, shocked that there is fear & loathing among the followers of the “anointed one.” I thought he was going to lay hands on all of us & restore peace & tranquility. I am disappointed.
Posted by: paulejb | October 23, 2008, 11:22 pm 11:22 pm
Obama’s comments about trying to change the 2nd amendment in his speech a while back made me terrified to have anyone like that in the government. If we change one amendment what’s next…the 1st….the 4th???? we need less government and less Democrats like Barbara Boxer and anyone who supports socialistic change affecting our rights as free citizens
Posted by: Raven | November 4, 2008, 5:16 pm 5:16 pm