Obama on Joe the Plumber: ‘How Many Plumbers Do You Know Makin’ a Quarter Million Dollars a Year?’

So media in a few clicks on google
1.Joe the plumber the average joe mccain talks about isnt really named Joe
Its Samuel
Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher
2.he appears to be a registered Republican, and a primary voter at that:
Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4, 2008, registering as a Republican.
So his mind was already made up!
3. is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Whos Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keatings son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.
4. He will recieve tax cuts under Obama!
5.He likened Barack Obama to Sammy davis jnr!

OH JOE….
So (Joe) Samuel voted in the 2008 Republican Primary right!
The 2008 Ohio Republican primary took place on March 4, 2008. March 4 is also the night that McCain secured the Republican Nomination.
Hmm interesting LOL
He appears to be a registered Republican, and a primary voter at that:
Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4, 2008, registering as a Republican.
So his mind was already made up!
DO YOUR JOB MEDIA !!!

Absolutely amazing…
Within 24 hours we will probably know everything about Joe the Plumber from the day he was born, who only asked Obama a question…..
And yet we still won’t know half of what we should know about Obama, who wants to be President……

First of all no Plumber nets or profits 250,000 I know my uncle was one, As far as this Joe the Plumber guy a little stunt by Mccain, Joe if that is his name is clearly a conserviate right wing nut Just trying to help Mccain Mccain has become so desperate these days no telling what he may do!

Mccain wants to Tax us on our Health Insurance as if it were Income, But doesnt want to tax the man that wont even profit 250,000 a year! whats wrong with this picture?

It would seem that Joe Plumber has a Tax lean against his property. McCain said we will se more of Joe Plumber. Your right McCain not paying taxes is patriotic.

So Joe the Plumber steals Ohio for McCain.
But Joe’s stance on Social Security cements Florida for Obama.

Joe the “plumber” isn’t even a registered plumber. Phony and probably a McCain plant. This is going to be embarassing for the McCain camp.

Sandy: It was McCain who brought him up (and up and up). The point McCain keeps trying to make, falsely, are that the “middle class” will be have their taxes raised. Personally, I’m like everybody else – I don’t like taxes. But I don’t understand how you can cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans when the economy is in the crapper. It’s not going to happen.
So, Obama’s point is valid – how many plumbers do you know that make over $250,000?

Ryan C, right back at ya, income taxes are a direct tax and unconstitutional, according to our constitution and to Supreme court rulings. The 16th amendment was ratified illegally (because they wanted it done before the next president took office) without the proper state percentage and therefore should be null and void. Read the constitution as written by our founders.

1.Joe the plumber the average joe mccain talks about isnt really named Joe
Its Samuel
OMG!!! That’s awful. Someone that prefers to go by their middle name, rather than their first? That’s awful! He should go to prison!!!
That’s hardly something to make a big deal over. Lots of people do that.
Tax cuts? Yeah…we’ll see. Reid, and Pelosi have put forth today, another 3 billion, for earmarks, and other goodies, on top of the 7 billion, which hasn’t even been dispensed yet.
More spending, more spending, more spending. This is meant as an appeasement. I guarantee you, there isn’t enough wealth in the 5% to pay for all of Mr. Obama’s plans…and that tax cut, will become a tax burden.
He already proposed a tax hike on the gas tax a few months back. Joe Biden said they would put the ban back on the off shore drilling. Watch for gas to go up again, and more so. Taxes on everything we pay now, will go up, and I highly suspect there will be a tax placed on food.
Oh well. One meal a day is ok…..I guess.

I feel sorry for “Joe the plumber” … the guy got put in the middle of this so now his life problems will be aired all over the Nation. I did see this morning that Joe like McCain over Obama… go figure… he owes back taxes, he is in debt up to his neck… and he wants more… must love drama in his life daily.
OBAMA/BIDEN 08!

Oh so now obama is belittling Joe, nice let’s belittle the voters and on top of that he has sent his smear team out to dig up dirt on Joe, this is what we have to look forward to in and Obama Administration. If you don’t agree with him you will be labeled racist and then his militia will delve into your background and find any kind of dirt that they can on you, this is the nastiness of the Obama followers, this guy just happenned to give his opinion and because Obama minions don’t like his opinion they are trying to rip him to shreads,is this what the American people want? do we live in Russia can we no longer give our opinion where Obama is concerned? Unbelievable.

Joe The Plumber….WHO IS HE? Hmmmmmm
It appears, based on conservative websites that Joe the Plumber is related to Charles Keating! Can you believe it?
It also appears that JOE doesn’t have a plumbing license since it expired in 2002. Add to it that he has tax liens against him so it APPEARS that HE DOESN’T LIKE TO PAY TAXES AT ALL!!
You just can’t make this stuff UP!
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!!

JAKE
could we please get an accurate story on this Joe the Plumber guy seems there are so many stories at once thanks Jake Tapper

oh my gosh! this is scary. The guy said he has voted both ways before (dem & rep) and now the left is now out to destroy him like they tried to do Palin. I guess the moral of the story is never ever question Obama or your destroyed! wow…breathtaking.

I actually feel sorry for Joe the Plumber. His life is now going to be scrutinized. Joe the Plumber isn’t a licensed plumber and makes less than $250,000 a year thus eligible for Obama’s tax cut. Joe the Plumber also owes back taxes and is against social security.
It’s best that the McCain leaves him alone. Joe the Plumber probably has things in his past that he doesn’t want people to know.

If it comes out Joe the Plumber was a plant linked to the Mccain camp does that mean John Mccains road to the White house is clearly finato finshed done over like fat lady has sung not that he is not almost there!

Now “The One” and his mighty legion of left wing followers and marxist disciples are attacking the voters for daring to question their tax plan? You might learn a little something about what sharing the wealth means and what an Obama presidency would be like if you asked people that lived in a Communist state. They too were demonized for questioning their Communist leaders. What’s next Obama, will you throw Joe in jail?

Sandy – Anybody not living under a rock knows by now that old Joe the plumber a plant. The guy is the relative of someone who was asked to go to the rally and ask Obama the question. He later admited that he was not going to buy a business and earns considerably less than 250.oo a year. What a slap in the face to EVERY real plumber, teacher, preacher, social worker, fireman, cop, emt and the list goes on. Not to mention a good swipe at real small business owners. I Know all I need to know about McCain and the pitbitch. I have a feeling most Americans do as well.

Anyone else getting tired of John and his “I know how to do that” comments?
If he really was all that smart why hasn’t he done some of it already – he’s had 26 years practice.
Or why not share his ideas? If he really has any…
It seems like he wants to blackmail Americans into voting for him. And judging from the comments at his rallys, his peeps don’t like blackmail either…
Uh, er… No, they don’t like black male — my bad…
And John is right. He’s different from George Bush. George is a much, much better pilot. Too bad plane piloting skills don’t translate into piloting a country. But give Johnny boy a chance, he can prove that his piloting skills will transfer over quite well…
If you want to see America crash and burn and go down in flames — John calls those safe landings. Anything he can walk away from…

Obama got caught with his hand in the jar that doesn’t even belong to him, but to Joe the Plumber.

don’t like taxes. But I don’t understand how you can cut taxes for the wealthiest Americans when the economy is in the crapper.
McCain stated last night, that he wants to leave the tax base where it is, and cut spending in government. Weed out the dredges…which I’m all for. There is far to much glut spending, and they need to trim that. A lot. He wants to cut the business tax from 35% to 25%. As he said..Irelands is 11% and they’re doing well. Lower business taxes invites more business, which means more jobs. He wants to maintain the 15% captial gains tax, on investments. If people invest, that also leads to growth of business, and jobs. Mr.Obama wants to raise that to 28%. Notice how the dow is wreaking havoc? People are pulling out, NOW…before that has a chance of taking effect.
Either way, it’s a trickle down theory. If Mr. Obama can’t achieve what he wants, by simply taxing the wealthy so heavily, he will lower the bar of earnings, and the middle class will be next.

Ed MA – What happened to Joe Six Pack you ask? After all the beer and pizza his system got clogged and had to call a plumber!

Kim
McCain talked about “Joe” in the debate!
He is a registered Republican he told everyone he is independent!
Changing it later to he has voted Democrat and Republican! He has only been registered republican!
He had McCains talking point this morning word for word!
He was already booked to go on Fox News show Huckabee before the debates!
He had a newspaper reporter and photograher in his house to take photos of him watching the denate! Hmmm Why was that ? Did he know he wa going to be brought up in the debate ?

Well, people.
I hope you learn your lesson that you can’t ask Obama a question on a public street in your neighborhood if you disagree with him.
You will be taken down, for the greater good.

Obama should have said this last night. An average plumber makes slighty over $40,000 a year.

MIKE
EXCELLENT EXCELLENT POINT you should be a detective my friend, Yeah why was the Media in his house its like they Knew his name was gonna come up! And Mccain brought his name up first Connect the Dots my friends! and its Funny how Fox news ran and ran with the Interaction of him an Obama on Sunday

Obama plans to raise the capital gains from 15% to 20% on those who are making more than $250K+ a year.
Obama also wants to eliminate capital gains taxes on small business investment.

Apparently, Joe the plumber owes back taxes,
doesn’t have a plumber’s license,
makes far less than $250,000,
is eligible for Obama’s tax cut,
and may not be registered to vote.
Is Joe the Plumber the next Palin?

Obama is the ONE who used the words “punish success” and “spread the wealth”.
You can take Obama out of the Socialist New Party, but you can’t take the Socialist New Party out of Obama.

Ed MA – What happened to Joe Six Pack you ask? After all the beer and pizza his system got clogged and had to call a plumber!
Posted by: Jenny Rome Ga | Oct 16, 2008 2:09:06 PM
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Hey Jenny – speak for yourself! My ‘Six-Pack’ isn’t regarding my beverage of choice, but rather my abs!

Mike NC- Guess what. I have been a registered democrat for 22 years and this year I am voting Repbulican so what? if someone asked me 2 months ago I would have said that I was an undecided voter and I am planning on changing my registration to Independent, so what? what does this have to do with this man’s personal business? why are people delving into whether or not he has a tax lein? or whether or not he is a registered democrat or republican. Just the fact that people went and delved into this man’s private business because he had an opinion and he disagreed with Obama on national television is proof that this is the way that the Thug Machine operates. It is going to backfire I promise you, let them keep trying to destroy average Americans for having an opinion and it wil backfire big time.

Obama didn’t put this guy out there, McCain did. Now he’s a story covered by the Associated Press. If you don’t believe me, then Google it, Joe the Plumber +AP.

He was already booked to go on Fox News show Huckabee before the debates!
Ummm that’s because the video of this surfaced 3 days before the debates.
Plant? Maybe…but it still doesn’t dispute what was said…..
Plumber to Obama: “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more. Isn’t it?”
Obama: “It’s not that I want to punish your success, I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success too. I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody.”
Did you also hear, a reporter for a Scranton, PA newspaper was the one who “claimed” to hear “kill him” at the Palin rally, yet no one else heard it, not even trained Secret Service agents at the rally, who are specially trained to hear comments like that.
Did you hear they have concrete proof of voter fraud in Ohio? Not registration, early voting fraud, and the Secretary of state is still fighting it, all the way to the Supreme Court. SO much for caring about the tax payers, as they are the ones paying for it.
Did you know Obama lied about the $800,000 to ACORN last night, in front of millions of people? I don’t trust any of this.
I don’t particularily trust any politician, but he’s just told one to many lies.

William, are you suggesting that Obama cannot question the credibility of Joe the Plumber. McCain invoked this Joe the Plumber last night more than Captain Kirk is mentioned at a Star Trek convention.

A) Joe the plumber wants to buy a plumbing business that costs $250,000.
He never said he made $250,000.
Joe will hire people to work for him.
B) Obama wants to raise our taxes.
When he lets the Bush tax cuts expire, he will raise everyone’s taxes. And that is just the beginning.
C) Obama wants to be a good Socialist and “spread the wealth around”. Take from the hard working and give it others.

To say all Joe the Plumber did was ask Obama a question is moronic and laughable at best. He asked Obama a question and Obama gave him an answer. Then McLame brought him up over and over last night to the point that the media began to get interested in this guy. Then when they looked into who he was and his background they discovered to the GOP’s horror that he isn’t just some ol’ plumber. I know you wingnuts are too stupid to get it but the fact that this guy is being scrutinized right now is McLame’s fault. Not Obama’s and Obama isn’t going to sit around and let McLame smear him and his tax policies using a fictionalized Joe the Plumber.

Hope that the McCain campaign puts out an add showing just what would happen if Obama is elected and you speak out against him or his policies. Let the American people know that his vicious attack dogs will take you down if you dare to have an opinion. This will backfire. You mark my words, this type of communistic environment will not play well for a person who already has questionable associations.

SAY IT AIN’T SOOOOOOOO, JOE!!
Joe the Plumber is really thanking McCain for all of the attention he’s brought to him.
Joe, you’ve been a bad boy. Not paying taxes in a George Bush no tax economy? It appears you don’t like to pay taxes, regardless of who’s POTUS, DO YOU?
Say it ain’t so JOE!!!
ANOTHER GAFF from the McChicken Circus..
Neanderthals are so predictable.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK!

Before you post in praise of Joe the Plumber be advised he is practicing without a license. Or a business. Or an income anywhere near what he has projected. Or a leg to stand on.

Basically Obama The Socialist wants to take Joe the Plummer of America’s money/profits that Joe America would’ve used to perhaps create more jobs or give out raises or bonuses to employees or create new products and services that would create even more jobs, raises, bonuses, etc….
Obama The Socialist wants to take that hunk of money and break it up into teeny weeny, itsy bitsy little bits so that more people can be in line for handouts.
John “I’m not Bush” McCain and Sarah Palin and Joe the Plummer are the hope and future of American exceptionalism.

That from the 16th amendment, was added to the constitution, in 1913. It was not in the original Constitution, and that is what I think one is referring to.

Just leave it to McChicken…….
Political malpractice. What else can you say about McCain’s campaign? A VP pick who owes $25,000 in back due taxes on her unreported income, a “Joe the Plumber” gimmick with a guy whose got a $2,000 tax lien on his property for his unpaid taxes.
He’s up EVERYWHERE on the Internet now with his rant about how Social Security is a “joke” and he “hates” it and doesn’t want to pay for it.
McCain’s fighter pilot instincts are kicking in and he’s going to do what he always did as a pilot – GO DOWN IN FLAMES.
POTUS OBAMA – IT’S A LOCK FER SURE!!

You guys are missing the point. As a small business owner, the dream of owning a small business is to have a business large enough to provide jobs that pay well, with benefits, to good, loyal employees. Our business has grossed $750,000 dollars in the past, but in order to pay our employees well, provide benefits, and pay our enourmous tax bill. We very seldom brought home more than our highest paid employee, and that was between the two of us. We finally had to scale it down in order to support ourselves. It is just my husband and I now, we make a decent living, not nearly close to $250,000. But now, the worry is, what happens when we are too old for the work? I have to wonder what in specific the tax cuts are for. Is is for the business in general? For the owners income? If it does not cut some of employee tax burden, I do not see where small business will benefit. The Small Business Administration defines “small business” at a much higher income than $250,000.

If ACORN signed a person up to vote and registered multiple times…will the Feds be at the polling booth to catch them?
I can see the t-shirts now, “I signed up to vote via ACORN and all I got was arrested.”

A) Joe the plumber wants to buy a plumbing business that costs $250,000.
He never said he made $250,000.
Joe will hire people to work for him.
Posted by: Thelma | Oct 16, 2008 2:21:07 PM
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And gets a $3,000 Tax break for each person he hires. Let’s not forget that!

Hey RA no you need to think this through! First of all if Obama is elected he is going to take the Bushes Tax Cuts and let them expire! That mean your taxes are going UPPPP! You can say they were unfairly leaning more towards the rich, fine, but your TAXES are going up with them! I dont know about you, I make less than 125K a year and I recieve some nice tax cuts under Bush! While it may not be as much as others I still got a TAX CUT!
Go ahead you thing that through!

The bottom line:
McCain’s claim only works by using an overly broad definition of what counts as a “small business”
- and even with that definition, fewer than 2% of business owners would be hit by Obama’s proposed rate increase.
For those who are affected, the increase would be levied only on a part of their earnings, not all of them.

Basically Obama The Socialist wants to take Joe the Plummer of America’s money/profits that Joe America would’ve used to perhaps create more jobs or give out raises or bonuses to employees or create new products and services that would create even more jobs, raises, bonuses, etc….
Obama The Socialist wants to take that hunk of money and break it up into teeny weeny, itsy bitsy little bits so that more people can be in line for handouts.
John “I’m not Bush” McCain and Sarah Palin and Joe the Plummer are the hope and future of American exceptionalism.

A) Joe the plumber wants to buy a plumbing business that costs $250,000.
He never said he made $250,000.
Joe will hire people to work for him.
Posted by: Thelma | Oct 16, 2008 2:21:07 PM
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And gets a $3,000 Tax break for each person he hires. Let’s not forget that!
Posted by: Deep Release | Oct 16, 2008 2:32:47 PM
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Only under Obama does he get the $3,000 tax break under McCain nothing Let’s not forget that! : )
PS GM to lay off 1500 more workers MI and delaware!

Jake likes to correct politicians for what they leave out of their commericals. Jake left the word “Unlicensed” out of his headline about Joe the Plumber. (Note from the fact checker…in no state in the union is a license required to report the news)

Joe the Plummer considers Obama’s tax increase unfair. What “Joe” the Plummer does not remember or even know, is that there ALREADY exists “TAX BRACKETS” put in place many decades ago! The more one makes, the MORE the government takes/wants! Calling Obama’s desire to increase the taxes on those making over $250k a ride to SOCIALISM is ridiculous! Get a clue, MR. PLUMMER. Go OBAMA!

It’s extremely hilarious to watch people get really uptight over Joe the Plumber. Attacking him is so pathetic, and entirely what’s wrong with America today.

McCain touts Palin as qualified to be President during the debate because she filed complaints against people who were unethical. She filed a complaint agains t her ex-brother in law for shooting a moose using her sister’s hunting license. Will Sarah step up and file a complaint against Joe? He apparently uses someone else’s license to practice plumbing.

Did I hear correctly on the Good Morning America interview with Joe Wurzelbacher (aka Joe the Plumber) that he was contacted by the McCain campaign to attend the Obama rally? If so this leaves one to wonder if this was an elaborate set up to ask Obama a specific question
knowing full and well that it was being recorded, than have the McCain campaign use it during the debate?

William:
Does that surprise you about Obama? In Missouri he had the local police investigate people who ran negative adds against him and wanted them to be arrested! If he can do that as a Senator what the heck do you think he is going to do as President?
Anyone not decided yet only has to look at Missouri and how Joe is being treated and that should scare the Hell out of you!
This man is dangerous and you know what scary? I would not be surprised if anybody posting negative comments about him will be targeted if he is elected!

Obama The Socialist wants to take more money from hard working Americans, an incentive btw, for not working harder.
Obama The Socialist’s tax and spend policies will put us into a depression faster than you can say “Yes We Can, Hopenchange”.

Joe the Plumber said he was going to buy the business for $250,000. I don’t know any business that makes $250,000 a year with a $250,000 investment. Either Joe doesn’t understand business someone is exaggerating. As a CPA who has appraised businesses for a living this smells.

Few are going to make $250,000 plus in an Obama administration — due to his lousy economic policies. If you do generate wealth, Obama will tax you hard, and redistribute your earnings to others, and his socialist welfare programs. — let’s not forget the fines some folks will pay for not insuring their family. Good-bye American the Free — hello America the mandated, and regulated.

Lanny: “I can’t imagine that Obama’s tax proposal is going to affect Joe anytime in the near future. If Joe does reach the point that the business nets him $250,000+ a years he should be congratulated for his success but at that point he should be willing to pay a slight increase in his share of the tax burden that affects us all.”
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Why at that point?
Is there something magic about $250,000?

How many plumbers make $250,000/year? Individual plumbers? Probably not many. But plumbers who own plumbing businesses? Probably many!
And that’s what Joe wants to become!
Logic 1, Biden 0

Joe the (unlicensed) Plumber has explained on TV that he saw Obama canvassing his neighborhood while throwing a football around on his lawn.
He decided to go ask Obama a question. The press recorded the exchange. The McCain campaign took and Obama quote out of context and made it an issue.
McCain himself made “Joe the Plumber”
the centerpiece of his debate. McCain made Joe the celebrity.
Now we learn more about Joe and he is not what he or McCain made him out to be. This sounds a lot like Sarah Palin being picked for VP.
Conservatives posting here are blaming Obama for what is happening to Joe. Do they also blame Obama for Palin?

“Think again…and this time not just about yourself…think about the opportunities get created by funding the pool which will look after the less privileged people of the country.. that helps us all indirectly…Think Big”
Actually this is thinking little.
The only way you make the economy grow is by producing more. When you tax wealth producing companies (large and small) they produce less and charge more.
So now you have less jobs and more expensive stuff.
Now middle class Americans incomes are now worth less because they can’t afford things.
Obama The Socialist is too stupid to get this that his tax hikes for “the rich” and business just reached the middle class.

William, I don’t think this is a left thing. I think it’s a media thing. I think John McCain shouldn’t have used Joe’s last name. A simple high level story may have worked just as well.
I also don’t think the media is in the tank. They are corporate owned and lean towards the way of profit.
Obama has every right to question the “average plumber’s” salary as a follow up to the debate.

THANK YOU!! Lanny. This is crazy. The man was contacted by the MCCain camp who had everything scripted down to the last period. This man lied and said he was glad to help out or something along those lines. Geeze where has McCain gone?

RA the Government is not there to take care of the poor! That is what family/friends/churches etc are for! You are wrong again on the taxes, if Obama is elected he takes away the Bushes tax cuts which we all got something! They go away you GET A TAX INCREASE!

It is very simple. You make more money you should expect to pay more taxes. The only question in my mind is where the cutoff line is and what is done with the taxes that are collected. $250,000 certainly sounds reasonable to me…

Maybe “Joe” can ask McCain’s top Florida fundraiser Harry Sargent for some of the money that he(Sargent)has “profiterred” from through his International Oil Company in “Iraq”/is now being investi- gated by Congress.

Some people on this board are missing the point, we are not talking about what your small Business GROSS rather then NET, PROFIT, NOT WHAT YOU GROSS so if you own a small Business under an Obama plan if you NET PROFIT MORE THEN 250,000 Then your taxes will slighly go up. IF YOU NET PROFIT UNDER THE KEY WORD UNDER 250,000 THEN YOUR TAXES WONT BE RAISED REMEMBER its not what you gross of course you gross over that sometimes but after all of your expenses you dont PROFIT OR NET THAT!

It’s amazing to me that all this man did was ask Obama a question when Obama showed up campaigning in the neighborhood, and wasn’t too thrilled with what Obama told him.
So now Obama AND Biden are both belittling him from the campaign trail.
This guy is such a fraud. He doesn’t give a rat’s behind about anyone but himself.

Obama told a voter in Iowa last year he would raise social security taxes on everyone.
Obama has voted for tax hikes on people making as little as 42,000.
Obama also is against any new refineries.
We need McCain to be able to veto Reid and Pelosi’s big spending bills.

Also, go back and listen to the debate again, and you will note a very telling SLIP by Obama, when suddenly the 250,000 became 200,000.
Once in office it will become 100,000.

I wonder how come McCain came to
know and to memorize the name of
“Joe the plumber”
Can he tell us the name of the
woman who asked him whether Obama
is an “Arab”!

Obama has voted for higher taxes 94 times including people making 42,000.
Obama is a tax and spend liberal.
We need McCain as balance against Pelosi and Reid.

Obama also said he was fine with gas prices going up gradually.

Sheryl,
You really think a small business owner would hold back the growth of their business because they don’t want to pay another 3% in taxes? Does that mean you would turn down that promotion that would raise your income to put you in the next tax bracket?

“Obama has voted for higher taxes 94 times including people making 42,000.”
By this manufactured and false standard created by the McCain campaign, John McCain has voted to increase taxes 477 times.
But of course gullible right wingers eat it up.

‘How Many Plumbers Do You Know Makin’ a Quarter Million Dollars a Year’?
I don’t know what my plumber makes, but he charges $200 an hour, which as prompted me to reevaluate my professional rates of $295 an hour.
I have a feeling that joe the plumber has employees and is marking up their time and billing them out also.
It is called the American Way.
Traditionally, we do not, in this country, tax people other than to fund services and infrastructure to “speard the wealth arround”.
That is called socialism.

As they say about Biden, when he puts his foot in his mouth “that’s just Joe being Joe.” In this case it’s -
“That’s just Joe (Biden) BEATING DOWN Joe (the plumber).”

Common sense, people! Would you rather pay a little less tax on a $250,000 business or a little more tax on a $1M business?! Jeez! BTW, Joe the Plumber is not even a registered voter.

I come from Europe and I am sick and tired of these uneducated people who are using expressions like socialism and Marxism, not really knowing what they are talking about! Every country that is based on a democratic Christian society has a socialistic structure and it is not evil and would ham anyone. We are paying taxes and we get certain benefits from the state: Schools, Road, Bridge, Medicare, SS, Prisons. If you want to see a more socialistic country than the USA then go to Norway. It has a very low crime rates and 70% are happy, 4 weeks paid vacation + 3 weeks holidays, is basically foreign oil independent, produces energy by geothermal energy, builds currently first Hydrogen car infrastructure, Health care system is basically free, schools and universities are basically free….

Time is running out in this election cycle so I have some advice for John McCain. John when you put a plant in Obama’s audience do a better job of vetting the person so that what they say appears to be more realistic than the story of Joe the plumber. Also, spend a little more money and hire a good actress to ask such questions as “Is Obama an Arab”. Surely your campaign staff can do a better smoke and mirrors job than this.

Why does no one want to talk about Mccain TAXING OUR HEALTH INSURANCE FROM OUR EMPLOYER LIKE ITS INCOME COME ON MCCAIN SUPPORTERS PLEASE EXPLAIN MCCAIN ADMITTED LAST NIGHT HE IS GONNA TAX US!

Joe the Plumber is a draw. Obama listened to him, answered his questions, and treated him with respect. He has a right to vote for whoever he wants. He doesn’t seem to get what taxes are paid on (net), and he’ll do better under Obama’s plan than McCain’s, but maybe he just doesn’t like Democrats.
McCain is the one who went after this guy and made him into a national figure – not Obama or the “liberal media.” And like most of what the McCain campaign has done, it was sloppy and not quite true.
And the McCain I saw last night – for the first time – could care less about the middle class – even if he somehow thinks the middle class makes $250,000 a year. He could not even say the words. He thinks the way out of this mess is the same way Bush got us into it – tax cuts for corporations – with no caveats or incentives to give back – and tax cuts for the wealthy. He was way off on one point. He is George Bush. He just doesn’t have the integrity to admit it.

I come from Europe and I am sick and tired of these uneducated people who are using expressions like socialism and Marxism, not really knowing what they are talking about!
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Mike, you are 100% on the money!
I swear people on here that scream “socialism” couldn’t give a definition of it if they had to. They have no concept of what it means. They just say, “It’s so bad”.
We have never had a free market system in the US. Our economy has ALWAYS had some government controlled elements to it. ALWAYS HAS, ALWAYS WILL.
And if we look at the countries who’s aggregate standards of living are the highest, they ALL have “socialist” elements to their economies. (We are ranked 12th by the way – according to the metric used by the United Nations)
When John Kennedy ran, he was called a “socialist” and a “communist sympathizer”. Did the world stop turning and the country fall apart when he was elected? No.
The ludicrous over-dramatic exaduarations by the Pub posters shows their true lack of understanding.
Or perhaps it’s just their desperation knowing they picked two loser candidates.

You know they say “ignorance is bliss..” and I can tell there are some ecstatic people on here today!!!

I’d rather the money go to charities I believe in than it go to an Obama/Pelosi/Reid Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac bailout
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Didn’t John McCain “suspend his campaign” so he could save the day and get the bailout passed? (Which he ended up screwing up and costing tax payers even more money)
Keep your eyes closed ok?
I would hate for facts to interrupt your rant.

There’s an easy solution to balancing the budget.
CUT military spending. It’s over half our budget. By reducing military spending by just 10%, we could pay for every program mentioned in the debates.
Right now, we are paying contrators to take SAND from Kuait and ship it to Iraq! Litterally paying to transport sand to a desert!
The Iraq war is being used to exploit the American public.
We also have a stockpile of nuclear weapons that we don’t need. We can easily maintain security and a strong defense with 1/3 less than what we have now. We may only be able to destroy the planet 10 times instead of 15, but seriously, how much is enough?
The twin towers came down because of 17 individuals. Tripling our nuclear capability would not have stopped them. The cold war is OVER! We do not need to keep escalating. We NEED the money!
McCain certainly won’t endorse this idea. And Barack is afraid to even mention it.

WOW!!
Obama is definitely not connecting with the middle class. Joe the Plumber’s BUSINESS makes 250K not he himself. And YES, Obama will be taxing these businesses at a much higher rate. The average small business makes 273K per year (gov. statistics).
Higher taxes mean less money for benefits or pay. These small businesses provide jobs.
Methinks Senator Obama requires some finance, business and economics courses.

“Obama is definitely not connecting with the middle class. Joe the Plumber’s BUSINESS makes 250K not he himself. And YES, Obama will be taxing these businesses at a much higher rate. The average small business makes 273K per year (gov. statistics).”
$273K is gross sales not net profits which are what are actually taxed.
Obama seeks to raise the tax on income above $250K.
He also wants to exempt small biz from capital gains taxes and give small biz a 50% tax credit on health insurance if they provide it to their employees. He also just rolled out a hiring incentive.
Why do right wingers scream about taxes without having a clue as to what taxes are being charged and on what income?

Joe the Plumber is apparently too dense to understand that he can’t own a plumbing business in Ohio and not have a plumber’s license. In the county that he works in, he is not even suppose to work for a plumber without a plumber’s license. Instead of worrying about being taxed on money he is probably never going to earn, he should return to school to learn the difference between fantasy and inductive logic.

Our taxes will all go up when Obama and the do nothing congress allow the bush tax cuts to expire. Obama is lieing to everyone. It is so nice to see what a high regard Obama has for the small business owner. Obama’s 95% tax cut is nothing more than welfare for the under achivers. Obama and Biden are elitest who have no idea about the american dream. They both live on the backs of the american taxpayer and now they are putting their hands back in our pockets for more. Let them spread their wealth and leave mine alone. we have already lost a good portion of our retirement because they thought it was a good idea to give financially irresponsible people home loans. Now for step 2 he wants to boost their income with welfare disguised as income tax cuts.

when our government hands out a quarter trillion in a day, $250k isn’t all that much money these days. Can anybody help with two questions:
1) what proportion of taxpayers have $250k or more in income?
2) what proportion of small businesses earning over $250k are not incorporated (ie file a corporate return instead of a personal one)?

I know 2 plumbers doing that well and a building contractor doing 4 times that a year.

I know several plumbers, but not a nam one makes 250K a year.

Sometimes Obama is absolutely tone deaf– and completely out of touch with the reality of American lives. How condescending and insulting is that remark– “How many plumbers you know makin’ a quarter million dollars a year?” And of course, he’s back to using his “I’m a regular guy droppin’ my gs” patois for the occasion.
Actually, Joe the Plumber was talking about aspiring to buy a plumbing business, and to employ other plumbers to work for him. It does not sound so outlandish to me to think that such a plumber would bring down $250,000 a year– or at least would have to report that much income on his personal income tax if his business is a partnership or LLC. I understand how that works–my spouse and I own a small business, we are an LLC, and we report that much income each year, because the income of the corporation flows through to the individual. We have an income of over 250,000, but we are far from wealthy. And before those of you who have seen me post about being a college professor start to wonder if I’m making things up, I should explain that I wear two hats– I’m a professor but also the bookkeeper of the family business which my spouse runs. He’s the one who puts in the long long hours and the hard hard work to make it the success that it is.
Like Joe the Plumber, I am both skeptical of and concerned about Obama’s tax plan. For openers, it will increase my taxes. But I wonder about the mechanics of the plan that he proposes and who will really end up paying higher taxes. Can he generate the revenue he proposes based on just the top 5%? At what rate? And if the Bush tax cuts expire, is that not a tax increase for those making under 250,000 as well? Most importantly, though, he promises a tax cut for people who pay no taxes; what he means is he will cut them a check from the government, which is to say, from those of us who are paying the taxes. A true tax cut is simply an agreement to let us keep more of our own money. I think Obama is using words to create an impression that is at variance with the truth– how much of his vaunted “tax cuts” are really tax credits, earned income credits, etc.? How much of those cuts are offset by increases in other taxes?
I am shocked, to be honest, at the way that people have gone after Joe the Plumber. I am not surprised, however, to hear both Obama and his running mate look down their noses and express disbelief that anyone would dare suggest that the Joe the Plumbers of this world should think their tax plan is not in Joe’s best interests or that hardworking men and women cannot possible earn enough money to aspire to an Obama tax increase.

Good Lord People! What has happened to us as a society?! Democrats say they are for free speech but the minute someone questions one of their ‘chosen’, the poor man is torn to shreds. The last time I looked, Joe wasn’t running for office. Shouldn’t we be able to question our own representives and have a differing view without being demonized.

So Mike, it looks as if the likes of Sarah and Todd would be better off under an Obama administration, won’t they?

Sarah and Todd Palin were struggling for awhile, but in her words they both “landed some good UNION jobs”.
How ironic.

Obama on Joe the Plumber: ‘How Many Plumbers Do You Know Makin’ a Quarter Million Dollars a Year?’
….’and with me as President, you never will!’ (evil laugh)

Did you know that an army private with two years of experience only gets paid $19,054 dollars a year? If that was only a 40 hour a week job that comes out to $9 an hour plus ‘room and board’ to put your life at risk and work hard in scary and sometimes primitive conditions. So to any person earning over $250,000 a year and complaining about paying an extra $300 in taxes per $10,000 in income OVER $250,000, please put it in perspective.Think about how difficult and dangerous our servicemen and women have it ‘on the job’ but they are patriotic enough to sacrifice. So sacrifice that little bit of money without complaining, do it gladly to help your country pay for these two wars, and the mountain of debt we already have. And let’s give our service people a raise with a bit of it.

Joe the Plumber was talking about aspiring to buy a plumbing business, and to employ other plumbers to work for him.