By Arnab Datta

Oct 26, 2008 11:12am

Obama Responds to McCain Camp Insinuations it Hacked into Joe the Plumber’s Private Files

Some wild, evidence-free charges yesterday from the McCain campaign, with former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani insinuating that the Obama campaign had something to do with improper breaches of Samuel Joseph "Joe the Plumber" Wurzelbacher’s private records.

"All Joe the Plumber did is ask a question," Giuliani said on a conference call arranged by the McCain campaign, giggling. "That should not open American citizens to having — if this happened — their private records probed because of some sort of political retribution. And if this is the way an Obama administration is going to conduct itself, the American people should know this before the fact."

When a reporter asked if there was any evidence that these records were breached by anyone with a political agenda, Giuliani said, "If this were someone on the Republican side you would not be asking the question…It does discourage people from asking questions, if they think that all of a sudden either at the direction of the campaign or just spontaneously all their personal records are going to get revealed if they ask a difficult question."

Obama campaign spox Isaac Baker issued a statement, saying, "Invasions of privacy should not be tolerated.  If these records were accessed inappropriately, it had nothing to do with our campaign and should be investigated fully.  But these desperate charges from the McCain campaign are just another sign that John McCain is out of ideas, out of touch and running out of time.  The fact is, Barack Obama plans to give Joe and other middle class families a much larger tax cut than John McCain."

– jpt

User Comments

FIGHT LIES WITH TRUTH!
OBAMA 08

Posted by: MIKE NC | October 26, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Kind of hard to fight lies with truth when Obama does not know the meaning of the word.

Posted by: Lee | October 26, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

McCain is done. Stick a fork in him. Rally around President Obama, and bring this nation back to greatness!
OBAMA ’08

Posted by: Mike D. | October 26, 2008, 11:30 am 11:30 am

Yeah really, what a laughable line of attack from the McCain campaign. Especially from Gulliani, a real champion of civil liberties and ethics. By the way, Rudy, how’s the mistress doing nowadays?

Posted by: rbyanes | October 26, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

jake- have you seen Obama’s official “Fight the Smears” web page lately, where they go after Stanley Kurtz?
The Obama campaign doesn’t seem to hesitate to get personal when they disagree with something.
As far as Joe the Plumber, it might have done the Obama campaign some good to speak out against the invasion of his privacy *before* they were asked about it. The Obama campaign has a high tolerance for people they disagree with being smeared, even private citizens that merely asked him a question he answered poorly.

Posted by: MayBee | October 26, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

one thing after another with this McCain group…I have never seen a more desperate campaign in my 61 years of following politics…absolutely pathetic and I am one of those Independents that seem to have so much sway now…color me for Obama/Biden…definitely their time now

Posted by: albie | October 26, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

Lee
The Republicans had the chance to put up their evidence they didnt and couldnt so now its time for the to SHUT UP!
see here:
When a reporter told Giuliani he was making some serious insinuations that the Obama campaign was involved in this, the former Mayor responded, “I don’t know if this came from the Obama campaign or not, but I think we have a right to find out. It is curious…”
WEAK

Posted by: MIKE NC | October 26, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Lee, why don’t you go campaign for McSame in Georgia? He needs your help in the reddest of Red States. How’s that for truth?

Posted by: rbyanes | October 26, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Giuliani is purely evil soul.
I really detest him.
I hope i won’t see him after NOV 4th.

Posted by: zen | October 26, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Truth, a word McCain doesn’t understand. Go Obama!

Posted by: James GA | October 26, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

So it is Obama’s fault that McCain’s plant at his rally has been exposed- I think the media did that, Obama didnt have to waste his time. Its not Obama’s fault that “Joe the Plumber” was not a plumber but a contractor- who worked for someone else, not own his own business and makes about 40,000 a year not over 250k. Look there made up reference point in Joe the Plumber flopped b/c they made him up- TRUTH is that this guy Joe in Ohio would benefit more under Obama’s plan than McCain’s!
Just another fumble by McCain…add it to the list.
Obama/Biden 08

Posted by: Dana from NY | October 26, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

Mike D saying that Obama doesn’t know how to tell the truth and McCain does is sad. I feel sorry for anyone who backs McCain he is going to be the loser.

Posted by: Joe Radmacher | October 26, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

by the way, will somebody PLEASE end all this “Joe the Plumber” crap…more like “Joe the Bummer” now…

Posted by: albie | October 26, 2008, 11:37 am 11:37 am

Good job supporting the article Lee: all insinuation – no substance.

Posted by: Woody | October 26, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

I had responded yesterday to McCain Campaign charges – claims were ridiculous. Toledo Blade Newspaper had the scoop the next morning. Newspaper organizations were on top of story even Wednesday night, and camped out at Joe The Plumbers House when Joe woke up Thursday morning. McCain Campaign were the ones who were pushing the story. Obama Campaign was not.
So McCain has continued to use and push Joe the Plumber.
Few days ago it was McCain Campaign that pushed story to news media about the hoax story of his campaign worker mutliated by black man. Campaign worker admitted to police she was lying. Whoops McCain attack tool against Obama blew up in their face. McCain Campaign trying to keep quiet it was they would pushed story. This poor lady. I truly hope she gets help. And she faces criminal prosecution now. This did not work
So now McCain Campaign is pushing this new line of attack that is so totally bogus!! Do they actually think we are so ignorant????
And I have all the news articles saved as they came out Thursday am just after final debate.
John McCain shame on you!!!

Posted by: Sharonklim | October 26, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

Giuliani is a loser

Posted by: jpeezus | October 26, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

I GUESS Giuliani DIDNT LIKE OBAMA’S DRAG QUEEN JOKE !!!

Posted by: MIKE NC | October 26, 2008, 11:42 am 11:42 am

Attorney General Rudolph Giuliani! I love the sound of it! How about Mr. Justice Giuliani, even better perhaps?

Posted by: BobH | October 26, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

McCain camp needs to take lots of Valium an chill for a while. After some rest they might be able to see the light. It is not about fear-mongering. It is about EXAMPLARY leadership.

Posted by: arvin | October 26, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

Lee
McCaniac, going down the drain, maybe he should get Joe the Plumber to pull him out. With all McCainiac’s lies, I can’t believe McCainiac hasn’t choked on any on them yet.
Obama Nation

Posted by: Money Bags | October 26, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

He forgot to say “9/11″

Posted by: Erik | October 26, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

To be fair, Giuliani was (by far) the sleaziest of the GOP field. He shouldn’t be speaking out for McCain. At the same time, those McCain fans defending this baseless attack should be ashamed.

Posted by: Ken | October 26, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Ridiculous charges, desperate attacks.
Time to turn the page on this national nightmare.
Obama/Biden ’08

Posted by: hopesprings52 | October 26, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Giuliani is a sleazebag.
McCain has sold out his integrity and self respect to the right wing radicals.
Sad and pathetic.
Did the McCain campaign, after mentioning the lying, non-tax paying plumber 21 times on national TV, not think the press would investigate who this guy is?
Don’t like how he’s being treated? Blame McSame.

Posted by: McCain is a sell out | October 26, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

One more pathetic stunt by Mr. McCain and Company.

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Who’s to say that McCain camp, in their desperation couldn’t have planted someone to commit something, who would then claim affiliation with the Obama camp. Afterall, we’re already seeing them do it with ACORN, and the broad with the backwards “B”. At the end of the day, people are not as dumb as you think.

Posted by: Charitybegins@home | October 26, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

I think if any one of you that posts on this biased website had your records broached, you would want to find out who did it.
With all the voter fraud connected to Obama and the lies he tells on a daily basis, and with the attacks on Joe the plumber coming from his camp, I would look there first, then at the biased media second.

Posted by: HH | October 26, 2008, 11:49 am 11:49 am

Hey, when you’re behind 10 points or so, it’s Kitchen sink time. The facts have no consequence. Stretch the ones you have and make up ones as needed.

Posted by: Mike | October 26, 2008, 11:51 am 11:51 am

HH
ALL THE INFORMATION ABOUT “JOE THE PLUMBER” CAN BE OBTAINED ONLINE WITH ANY PEOPLE SEARCH WEBSITE.
IF YOU GAVE YOUR FULL NAME WE COULD FIND EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU!

Posted by: MIKE NC | October 26, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

I think if any one of you that posts on this biased website had your records broached, you would want to find out who did it.
With all the voter fraud connected to Obama and the lies he tells on a daily basis, and with the attacks on Joe the plumber coming from his camp, I would look there first, then at the biased media second.
Posted by: HH | Oct 26, 2008 11:49:26 AM
There is NO EVIDENCE. For Guilani to even insinuate it was Obama or anybody in his campaign it dangerous. I really hope this blows up in there pathetic faces.

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 11:52 am 11:52 am

Another hate inciting lie from the Republican camp. What a shocker.

Posted by: jt | October 26, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

Guiliani, Get a life and stop talking crap. Your part of what is wrong with the republican party.

Posted by: George | October 26, 2008, 11:54 am 11:54 am

Giuliani berating Obama on privacy issues?
Giuliani? Who announced to his wife to divorce her in a PRESS CONFERENCE?

Posted by: Willem van Oranje | October 26, 2008, 11:55 am 11:55 am

Giuliani that little rat, bring some evidence then bring your lies

Posted by: Tim | October 26, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Frankly, the McCain camp has lied so much that I don’t think people would believe them if they said 2 + 2 = 4.
I think most voters — particularly the independents whose support McCain so desperately needs — see through Giuliani’s baseless insinuation. If he had anything to justify an investigation, he’d be talking to prosecutors, not just reporters.
Once again, I have to wonder just how stupid the GOP is — or thinks we voters are. I’m not wild about Obama but I’m voting for him in large part because I can’t stand what the GOP has become: the party of fear, hatred, lies, and anti-intellectual demagoguery.

Posted by: Leonore | October 26, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

I agree with most of the comments here in the respect that you can’t just go pointing fingers.
I must ask the question as to why the Obama campaign would even care about the records behind Joe from Ohio. When you’re ahead in the race, your not going to hack someones files who is irrelevant to the election.
McCain may be “done” but if everyone wants Obama in office, you MUST vote on Nov. 4th. Or you will see this election slip away.
Get out and vote!

Posted by: Matt | October 26, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

Everything I saw on Joe came from public documents. People no longer have any privacy. His income was from 2006 divorce records
There are many sites on the Internet that pull public records. some charge for the service
A site I use had Joe’s mortgage information, which appeared to be a subprime loan. Clues: variable interest rate, why would anyone get a variable rate when rates were so low. Price $126000, small down payment. purchase 2006, Country Wide a fraud company
My state and county has a large number of public records online. All court actions for years. All personal property record, including PDF loan documents.
I would like to see action towards removing the information. The loan document say whether a person is single or married, which is a concern for some single women.

Posted by: Julie | October 26, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Everything I saw on Joe came from public documents. People no longer have any privacy. His income was from 2006 divorce records
There are many sites on the Internet that pull public records. some charge for the service
A site I use had Joe’s mortgage information, which appeared to be a subprime loan. Clues: variable interest rate, why would anyone get a variable rate when rates were so low. Price $126000, small down payment. purchase 2006, Country Wide a fraud company
My state and county has a large number of public records online. All court actions for years. All personal property record, including PDF loan documents.
I would like to see action towards removing the information. The loan document say whether a person is single or married, which is a concern for some single women.

Posted by: Julie | October 26, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

Giuliani only asked about the tone that would be set by an Obama administration to quell free speech… because the Obama campaign was responsible for leading the verbal attack on “Joe the Plumber.” They gave others the green light.
So Obama now blames the McCain campaign with using “desperate charges.” In comparison…How desperate was Obama with his own words when he implied McCain was racist. And why is not Obama held accountable for Congressman Lewis who recently compared McCain and Palin to George Wallace and during the Democratic primaries also implied that Bill and Hillary Clinton were racists?
P.S. I notice that it is SOP that the Obama true believers demean others instead of addressing the topic.
P.S.S. Why is ObamaWorld sounding so “desperate” when they are ahead and the MSM has already annointed him the winner?

Posted by: Ninch | October 26, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

Isn’t this information a matter of public record, accessible to anyone including, journalists, plumbers, joe-six pack, college professors, idiot ex-mayors, Joe/Sam’s boss, Joe/Sam’s neighbor, pretty much anybody? It’s amazing that the Republicans will try to blame Obama because Joe/Sam won’t pay his taxes, that Joe/Sam doesn’t have a plumbers license and whatever else that would probably prevent Joe/Sam from acquiring this business, which to me sounds like Joe/Sam and the Republicans are 100% against taking ownership and responsibilty for one’s own plight. Blame someone else. It’s Obama’s fault.

Posted by: Kelli | October 26, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

Giuliani only asked about the tone that would be set by an Obama administration to quell free speech… because the Obama campaign was responsible for leading the verbal attack on “Joe the Plumber.” They gave others the green lightPosted by: Ninch | Oct 26, 2008 12:06:32 PM
What verbal attack? Your candidate is the one that kept bringing him up and has kept him in the spotlight. How is that Obama’s fault?
Any flippin moron that can think for themselves knows this guy is a plant and this was all a setup including blaming Obama’s campaign for breaching his records. Same with Ashley Todd, they pushed that story and ooops it was a hoax, never happened.

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

Are we now witnessing the modus operandi of the Obama administration? Will citizens who dare challenge them will be attacked brutally by their spokespeople and their surrogates in the press? Will they effectively condone illegal character destruction by simultaneously:
1) Claiming that they support a full investigation, while
2) Attacking anyone who demands that the full investigation actually occur?

Posted by: MnZ | October 26, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

McCain, Just go away! I am done with you and the Republican Party. Is there a shred of decency left?
It is time for some adult leadership.

Posted by: Thinking | October 26, 2008, 12:18 pm 12:18 pm

Just another reminder of how lost this campaign is. Blame the Obama campaign of destroying Joe Wurtzelbacher. If his intentions were beyond reproach. If he were the concerned citizen with just a question. This would have amounted to nothing. But your lying, losing, and lost campaign of McCain is searching for anything to speak to the working man. They want to attack Obama for socialism. 95% of what government does is redistribution of wealth. Whether ran by democrats of republicans. Wake up America and let the government work for the majority instead of the rich and corporations.

Posted by: tim | October 26, 2008, 12:21 pm 12:21 pm

Concerned in OH, Joe/Sam approached Obama. McCain decided to turn Joe/Sam into the idiot of the week (and continues to do so over & over & over & over….). If you want to point fingers at who turned this guy’s life into a circus, perhaps McCain & Joe/Sam needs to take some responsibility here.

Posted by: Kelli | October 26, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

Guiliani is a disgrace to America.

Posted by: billp | October 26, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

My gosh anything else they can DREAM up…Give it up McCain you are a sick puppy and if you say was not me was to>>>>>>>>

Posted by: NH voter | October 26, 2008, 12:22 pm 12:22 pm

“Any flippin moron that can think for themselves knows this guy is a plant”
Show your proof. Prove how the RNC directed the 0bama campaign to Joe’s street. Prove how the RNC forced 0bama to talk to this guy. Prove how the RNC forced those words out of 0bama’s mouth.
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 26, 2008 12:20:03 PM
Don’t you think they knew where Obama would be. Obama gave him a straight answer, would you like him to lie like McCain? Why did McCain bring this dolt up 20+ times at the debate? How did he know his last name?
Yu want proof, then I am asking you to prove that Obama is behind any funny business with ACORN.

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 12:29 pm 12:29 pm

A brutal side-by-side yesterday in New Mexico:
Crowd for Senator Obama in Albuquerque, N.M., last night: 35,000 inside the venue and another 10,000-15,000 outside.
Crowd for Senator McCain in Albuquerque, N.M., yesterday: 1,400 according to the McCain campaign, 1,000 or less according to reporters.

Posted by: Difference there must be | October 26, 2008, 12:33 pm 12:33 pm

In the very first story I read about Joe, not the Plumber, he said that he received a call from the McCain camp telling him to be at a certain place that day and ask Obama the questions.

Posted by: Concerned For Concerned in Ohio | October 26, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

This is so crazy…
Obama campaigns (if I recall correctly the headlines were about him going door to door to ask for votes), he meets Joe/Sam and Joe/Sam asks a question.
Obama gives him and honest answer and that is reported in the news. For good or for bad…the answer is the answer.
During the debate…it is McCain…not Obama who brings up Joe/Sam. Not once, but multiple times. Obama did too but Obama did not bring Joe/Sam into the spotlight.
Then the media wants to know who is this Joe/Sam. Finds out the truth…and not it is all Obama’s fault.
From what I read – given I was not on the call, it doesn’t like Rudy G. was attached…the media was doing it’s job by asked…do you have any proof? I think that is a fair question.
Maybe Drudge should have asked that question of the Ashley.
I am all for telling the truth and exposing lies…but don’t accuse without some shred or inkling of discovery.

Posted by: Bravo | October 26, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

I agree. Guilianni is as un-american as it gets – to coin a phrase repeated over and over by Palin!!! How RICH!
McCain is just STABBING in the dark at anything and everything they can – again – negative campaigning…. EVIDENTLY they have not learned, it does NOT work!
Obama’s Camp said exactly what they needed to say…IVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE!!!!!!!
I’d venture to guess the Republicans did the investigating….kept using him as an example…..kept using him, until this comes up…then puts the blame on the Democrats for illegal investigating…
Obama/Biden 2008!

Posted by: Richard | October 26, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

Concerned in OH, for your theory to hold up I would have claimed that Joe/Sam was a “plant” which I HAVE NOT. I would hope that ifthe RNC would put a “plant” out there, they would at least have a vetting process and put in a “plant” with some kind of intelligence and at least a plumbers license.

Posted by: Kelli | October 26, 2008, 12:34 pm 12:34 pm

(shaking my head at some of y’all)
You guys are mad that someone took the time to find out if Joe the Plumber was “real” since McCain keeps trying to use the guys story to get some kind of appeal to his dying campaign. In other words, you along with Giuliani are mad you got caught lying, so now somehow have to turn this into another smear against Obama. I guess when you’re losing you can’t afford for any more truth to come to light. McCain, “Everyone has to show your hand, except for me. I’ll keep my cards face down till after I will”
Pathetic
McCain lost to Bush because of the vulgar manner of the Bush campaign. Now he turns around and tries to do the same to Obama. McSame is not a leader. He is a follower. Vote accordingly.

Posted by: Jay | October 26, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

What – you mean the Repubs are crying “WOLF!” again?
Already?
The ‘backwards B’ girl hasn’t even been arraigned and we’re on to the next Obama-did-it smear.
REPUBS = LAUGHINGSTOCK
McCAIN = FAIL

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 26, 2008, 12:37 pm 12:37 pm

Everything comes from the Obama campaign and we all know it. Obama has his people in the media, etc.
Obama has been busted going through Joe The Plumber’s private things.
But remember the outrage when Obama’s passport files were rummaged through?
They were already blaming McCain.
Obama, shame on you.

Posted by: Jo | October 26, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Rudy and the rest of the base are diggin’ for a needle in a haystack. unfortunately for Joe the dumber, he walked into that bag of rocks when he decided to let the media stick a camera in his face after he asked the question…he allowed the McCain camp to make him the poster boy of a failing campaign…I could write lines for the ages but I don’t want that camera in my face LOL…poor Joe the Dumber, he does not represent we the people.

Posted by: KenB, MI | October 26, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

I dont see why anybody would hack a system to find out information thats already public record.

Posted by: John | October 26, 2008, 12:39 pm 12:39 pm

Biden had a tough interview on TV the other day with a Florida anchor and the Obama team is SO FURIOUS they are boycotting her for future interviews!!
Awwww, the did the Obama-Biden wussy boys get their feewings hurt?
LOL. What a bunch of pansies.

Posted by: Jo | October 26, 2008, 12:40 pm 12:40 pm

When a reporter told Giuliani he was making some serious insinuations that the Obama campaign was involved in this, the former Mayor responded, “I don’t know if this came from the Obama campaign or not, but I think we have a right to find out. It is curious…”

Posted by: MIKE NC | October 26, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

So, the RNC found out in 2006 of where 0bama was going on his walk-about in 2008. Bought Joe’s house (it was bought in 2006 according to the records the MSM dumpster dived for), put Joe in it and laid-low for 2 years setting a delicious trap for Senator Government?
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 26, 2008 12:33:57 PM
Anybody can be bought. Who is this Joe related to? Coincidence?

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

That is all the McCain camp have these days. All they do is accuse Obama of ‘this’ and ‘that’ with no proof what so ever. Rudy’s accusation is all bark and no bite. There is no proof that Obama is behind this, so why make such a stupid accusation to begin with? Simply just to make people, who do not have a brain, think Obama is ‘evil’.
Get a life, Rudy. I’m not listening to you.

Posted by: GWP | October 26, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

Karl Rove paid Joe The Plumber to look into Obama’s messianic eyes and “will” him to come over and ask if he had a question.
LOLOLOL.
Poor Democrats. They’ve lost their minds.

Posted by: Jo | October 26, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

joe the plumber will cost Obama the election.
I love it!

Posted by: Jo | October 26, 2008, 12:46 pm 12:46 pm

Joe the Fake Plumber
Ashley the Fake Victim
Sarah the Fake Hockey Mom
John the Fake Candidate
Did I miss anyone?
OBAMA = PRESIDENT
McCAIN = FAIL

Posted by: Ed from MA | October 26, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Biden had a “when did you stopped beating your wife” interview on local Florida TV the other day and the Obama team is SO FURIOUS they are boycotting her for…. 10 days!?

Posted by: FTFY | October 26, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

Concerned in OH, for your theory to hold up I would have claimed that Joe/Sam was a “plant” which I HAVE NOT.
I would HOPE that if the RNC would put a “plant” out there, they would at least have a vetting process and put in a “plant” with some kind of intelligence and at least a plumbers license.
I still believe that if Joe/Sam was serious about buying this business, he would have been more careful to ensure a good credit score, such as paying his taxes to avoid liens and to acquire a plumbers license. I think that making over $250,000 and paying the taxes on this would be the least of his problems (considering he avoids paying the taxes anyway)

Posted by: Kelli | October 26, 2008, 12:48 pm 12:48 pm

AZ radio station KKLD said joe has arrest warrants in AZ, and that he will meet sheriff Joe if he returns to AZ.

Posted by: John in AZ | October 26, 2008, 12:51 pm 12:51 pm

Zogby…the poll the Obamabots have been so excited about for the last few weeks…has his lead slip-slip-slip-slipping away. Three day average down to 5 pts. A one day poll shows it down to 3 pts.
All the help from the media and he still can’t close the deal?

Posted by: Michelle | October 26, 2008, 12:53 pm 12:53 pm

Some years ago, when Rudy was mayor of NYC, an unarmed young man — Patrick Dorrismond — was killed by the NYPD Rudy, in an effort to make it appear that Dorrismond was a “criminal element,” released sealed court records of an old marijuana charge against Dorrismond. So it’s particularly rich that he’s pulling this stunt. Have you ever noticed that whenever the Republicans accuse the Democrats of some kind of illegal or spurious activity, it turns out they themselves are the guilty party? This election can’t be over soon enough!

Posted by: Ivee | October 26, 2008, 12:54 pm 12:54 pm

Oh..and why is it any surprise that any Obama supporter dug through the personal information of someone who is not an Obama worshipper? Have we already forgotten the young man who has been indicted for hacking Gov. Palin’s email account? That one sure disappeared off the media radar quickly.

Posted by: Michelle | October 26, 2008, 12:57 pm 12:57 pm

@Jo you idiot, what the interview. the questions seem to be straight from the mccain question. On a previous interview with John mccain the same reporter asked irrelevant questions, unlike her treatment of Biden…

Posted by: JLD | October 26, 2008, 12:59 pm 12:59 pm

Public records are just that, public, not stolen or hacked, just public facts. If McCain had taken the time to research Joe the Plumber using public records he probably wouldn’t have chosen him as a mascot.
Additionally, the current administrations authorization of warrantless wiretaps and requested immunity for telecom firms is hypocritical at best. McCain supports both of those ideas.
Obama’s very own private passport files were broken into on 3 seperate occasions by three contract employees of the State Department in March of 2008 as were Hillary Clinton’s in April of 2008 in a training excercise. The timing of those suggests political motivation.
Hmm..sounds a lot like the pot calling the kettle black.

Posted by: Laurel Albrecht | October 26, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

When are we going to make our own decisions about voting instead of CNN or FoxNews? Why can’t we vote based on facts and what candidates really have to offer. I really feel neither of these two candidates have a leadership capability America needs in this tough times.
Why people are worried about so many people not voting for Obama because he is black?(Does it really matter if he is really qualified for the job? It should not because America is a land of immigrants and people of different colors and ethnic background has made it so great).
However, why no one is worried about so many people voting for Obama just because he is black without really thinking whether he is qualified for the job or not?

Posted by: Chris | October 26, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm

Oh..and why is it any surprise that any Obama supporter dug through the personal information of someone who is not an Obama worshipper? Have we already forgotten the young man who has been indicted for hacking Gov. Palin’s email account? That one sure disappeared off the media radar quickly.

Posted by: Michelle | October 26, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm

Being an American living abroad this is what I can tell all the McCain/Palin fans: move to Alaska, separate from the U.S.A. and have a happy life! McCain WILL NOT change Bush’s policies, he will allow more CEOs and lobbyiests to play around with the average American’s money, he will send more American troops to the WRONG places and if he dies, an ignorant woman will take the White House over! What are you thinking!?? or do you, McCain’s fans, even think? Even if it weren’t Obama,it could have been Clinton or Edwards but any smart american should never vote McCain!

Posted by: carmen | October 26, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Hopefully it’s not the party of hate and intolerance”
I agree, hopefully the good guys, the Republicans, pull it out. That way all the race-baiters in the 0bama campaign can go back to shaking down banks and extorting companies.
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 26, 2008 1:00:48 PM
Oh please come off your bs. Your candidate and his pitbull have pulled out some of the dirtiest crap in this campaign. I guess you agree with the garbage the McCain camp has been spreading. What if the shoe were on the other foot and Obama said those things about McCain would you agree with the tactics? Hell no.

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 1:05 pm 1:05 pm

As were McCains. Why did you leave that part off? The owner of the contracting firm? Big 0bama donor. Why did you also leave that part off?
Posted by: Concerned in OH | Oct 26, 2008 1:02:16 PM
ROTFLMAO…like you don’t leave out things.

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

How will McCain pay for his tax cuts, and on health care, taxes and education how does his plans differ from George Bush. Is what Obama says true? That’s what I want to hear from the McCain campaign.
What if Obama had stayed home that day? I fully expected McCain to drop Palin and have Joe run as VP, he did more press. The one consistent thing is that everyone can articulate Obama’s plan, but nothing about the pros or cons of McCain’s plan. He promises to do everything but nothing about how he’s going to do or pay for it. He failed the September surprise it has taken the campaign well over a month to realize that they must discuss the issues.
Its Joe the plumber, lipstick on the pig, celebrities etc but keep talking about these issues while real people are out their voting based on what’s happening to their kitchen cupboards.

Posted by: Donna | October 26, 2008, 1:07 pm 1:07 pm

all the hoopla about Joe the plumber is because Obama told him that he wants to spread the wealth around. Obama didn’t want that to come out that way. That’s what the people are jumping on and the Obama camp doesn’t like it. Just like Biden said “Obama” would be tested with in the first six months, mark my words, if you don’t remember anything else I say, remember that. Now they are trying to spin that, he meant every new president. They have an answer for everything and the people seem to believe all their lies. Unbelievable.

Posted by: Erma | October 26, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

“spox”??? like from the planet Vulcan?

Posted by: LiveLongAndProsper | October 26, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

More sad demented tactics from the far right Rovian desciples on the verge of losing their grip on power. Mayor Giuliani is a moron and as a former lawyer must realize that you need proof to level those kinds of assertions. Sadly, the McCain campaign has slipped into the gutter and can’t find their way out. Mayor Giuliani stick to a noun, a verb and 9/11. You have never stood up for civil liberties and quite frankly sir, you don’t know how. I will proudly cast my ballot for Obama/Biden on November 4th.

Posted by: Lou-NH | October 26, 2008, 1:12 pm 1:12 pm

The left has done a lot to repress free speech and the free press – note the cutting off of the tv station that actually asked some questions.
Obama and the ACORN crowd were told to go out an intimidate – “get in their faces” was the term Obama used.
There are a bunch of paid Obama posters on these abc blogs. Pretty obvious who they are.

Posted by: today | October 26, 2008, 1:20 pm 1:20 pm

Nothing wrong with spreading the wealth around. Your wealth is going to pay for the payroll of the large banks that are in trouble. McSame voted for it!!!!!!!! Well, that makes mcdumb a Marxist.

Posted by: truthbetold | October 26, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm

McCain is not my choice for president, but he speaks with authority because of the works he has done in his 36 years in the senate and prior to that his service to the country as a warrior.

Posted by: today | October 26, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm

In McCain’s mind, Joe the plumber is the poor working class if he is wanting to buy a business for 250k. In my mind the working class is someone working and living from paycheck to paycheck only to find he is losing his job while we are spending money to bomb another country only to spend more money to build it back up. In my mind, the subject of abortion is the same as God’s, He gave us free will, is the government a higher power than God? In my mind bombing and killing children in their backyards is killing babies too. It seems that we people pick and choose which of God’s laws are more important than the others. Isn’t “Thou shalt not commit adultery” in the same 10 Commandments as “Thou shalt not kill?” I look at this man, with his trophy wife, his trophy running mate and now his trophy “Poor Average American Joe” and realize how out of touch he is with the rest of us. I’m not a Democrat or a Republican.

Posted by: Drgary | October 26, 2008, 1:31 pm 1:31 pm

Phoney Plumber, Phoney Victim
Who cares?
I Voted Early. OOOOOOOOyeah

Posted by: Joe | October 26, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm

What’s amazing about this is that Guiliani — a major GOP party figure — would risk his personal integrity by spreading innuendo before the facts are known. Didn’t they get taught this lesson, like, three days ago?

Posted by: Mike Farrace | October 26, 2008, 1:53 pm 1:53 pm

Although Joe the plumber might benefit from Obama’s tax cut now for $25?, $50? $100?, he, like most of American, has a dream that one day he will be a business owner. We don’t want this American dream to be taken away by Obama.

Posted by: Julie | October 26, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm

“From each acording to his ability……to each according to his need.” Karl Marx. circa 1888
“Spread the wealth around.” Barack Hussein Obama, 2008

Posted by: centurion666 | October 26, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm

Although Joe the plumber might benefit from Obama’s tax cut now for $25?, $50? $100?, he, like most of American, has a dream that one day he will be a business owner. We don’t want this American dream to be taken away by Obama.
Posted by: Julie | Oct 26, 2008 2:00:54 PM
Bush has already done that, so you don’t have to worry. Unless of course McCain gets in.

Posted by: Jwench | October 26, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm

I love that repealing the Bush tax cuts for people earning over $250,000 now apparently makes Obama a “socialist.” Since when did fiscal responsibility equal socialism. Under Bush it was spend, spend, spend (on war, more war, oil company subsidies, and now the NATIONALIZATION of our BANKS)without actually having any money in the coffers to pay for it all. Now that Obama and the Dems actually have a plan to pay for the public services we enjoy (the important ones like roads, schools, and healthcare instead of the destructive ones like preemptive war), they are suddenly socialist?? Do you really think McCain is going to balance the American budget by vetoing a few “bridges to nowhere?” The only thing thats going to get our budget in check is to end this wasteful war and have Iraq start paying for its own rebuilding.

Posted by: come on people | October 26, 2008, 2:13 pm 2:13 pm

I see you all have not lost your fight :
GOOD! Because we have a lot to do. You! (the American people) are going to have to take back control of your elected government at every level, and set your government back on the right path of service to you, and the greater good of the World.
Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope of doing that now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best they can. Because the Bush McCain vote fraud, vote cheating, vote buying, vote manipulation machine is already hard at work to cheat you again. And we all know what a disaster that has been the past 8 years of Bush McCain.
Barack Obama and the democrats will need all the power you can give them at every level of government (Federal, State, County, and local City elected governments). Obama and the democrats will have an enormous mess to fix for the American people, and the rest of the World. A mess caused by the corrupt Bush McCain administration.
You see, starting back in 2000, and before 911, it was mostly the Republican governors, Republican legislatures, and county elected Republican officials that conspired with the corrupt Bush McCain administration to raise college, and university tuitions by the fastest, and highest rate increases in American history. Some state tuitions went up by as much as a WHOPPING! 30% in one year.
The reason the Bush McCain administration did this was to force struggling working class kids into the military to pay for the sudden jump in tuition. Which was forced on them by the corrupt Bush McCain administration, and their corrupt Republican Governors, and republican controlled state legislatures.
See, Bush McCain had plans to get us into all these immoral, foolish, criminal, and unnecessary wars from the start. So they could use these wars to seize power, and later to get reelected. But, for their evil plan to work they needed more volunteer soldiers struggling to pay for an education whose blood they could spill to help them seize more power. Remember Bush McCain’s “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!” theatrics.
The exploitation, and lost lives of these finest Americans is despicable, disgusting, immoral, corrupt and criminal. And it makes me SICK, and ANGRY!
You will have to vote for Obama, and the democrats in overwhelming numbers to overcome the Bush McCain vote fraud machine. Vote early if you can. Then help your fellow Americans cast their votes now, and on through election day. Vote for Obama, and the democrats like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of “Let Them Eat Cake” Bush McCain, and their republican allies.
Just look at the mess we have now.
You can fix this mess with your votes for Obama, and the democrats. And REMEMBER, no matter which of us may stumble or fall, the rest of you must continue to surge forward for Barack Obama, and the democrats, and for your-selves most of all. The children, and the World are counting on us.
It’s in your hands now. And I know you will get it done.
God bless all of you.
JACK SMITH – WORKING CLASS… :-)

Posted by: jacksmith | October 26, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm

It cracks me up that McCain fans think he can fix anything. He voted with Bush 90% of the time. He subscribes to Bush econonmics, which have almost destroyed our country. Look around–Is anyone thriving here but the rich?? Use your heads, folks. Throw the bums out and let’s try something different. If Obama doesn’t do a good job, we can vote him out. The Republicans had their chance and blew it. Out they go. Let’s all remember Einstein’s definition of insanity: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Vote Obama/Biden!

Posted by: Judy NJ | October 26, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

People should leave Joe the Plumber alone. He is typical of your average McCain supporter regardless of socioeconomics.
You can’t expect a man with his limited education to understand economic policy or foreign policy.
The Republicans have been the party of “What Ifs” for quite some time. What if he raises my taxes? What if someday I actually BECOME successful?
It’s pretty pathetic. Here you are, a grown man earning approximately $40,000 per year and you’re concerned about those earning $250,000? Trust me Joe…they’re not thinking about you.

Posted by: Dems | October 26, 2008, 2:43 pm 2:43 pm

It seems to me we can either work toward spreading the wealth around (are we not our brothers’ [and sisters'] keepers?) or
we can continue support of those philosophies that have resulted in:
1) The [richest 1% of Americans] now own more than the bottom 90% [of Americans].
2) The top 10% [of Americans] own 71% of all private wealth.
It’s your call.

Posted by: WallyTaz | October 26, 2008, 2:58 pm 2:58 pm

Republicans/Bush Cheney: lies about WMD, leaks about CIA operatives, cronyism, lobbyist government, deregulation, net loss of jobs in 8 years, worst deficit ever, vote tampering, hypocritical government.
That is why Montana, Georgia, Missouri, Indiana, and North Dakota are toss-ups right now, and GOP strongholds like Colorado, Virginia, Ohio, Florida and North Carolina are going blue.
Time to pay the cost GOP!

Posted by: Joseph Menna | October 26, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

WallyTaz – I choose the second option. Better to have the wealth in a small portion of the population than to become a completely socialized country.

Posted by: ellsbells930 | October 26, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm

Joe the Plumber could have made his dream a reality during the Clinton administration, maybe he will be able to do the same in about 4 years after the Obama administration starts cleaning up the White House. Right now, not even Joe the Plumber can afford his American Dream.

Posted by: drgary | October 26, 2008, 3:21 pm 3:21 pm

McCain, Palin, Giuliani — a campaign of not so quiet desperation and fear mongering. They are not running on or about anything. They’re just running against Obama — who attracted 100,000 people in Colorado today which is going blue for the first time since the ’60s. It’s over, kiddies.

Posted by: efemmeral | October 26, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm

Wow, that Giuliani is a pitbull, sometimes he’s worn lipstick too. Rudy’s slightly bonkers lately. What’s really up with him?

Posted by: buzziea | October 26, 2008, 3:33 pm 3:33 pm

So I guess if you are a democrate and break the law it is ok, but anyone else is a criminal. Not only a criminal but, dare I say it, Unsocialist, um I mean UnAmerican?

Posted by: LuLu | October 26, 2008, 3:47 pm 3:47 pm

All Joe the Plumber did is ask a question,” Giuliani said on a conference call arranged by the McCain campaign, giggling. “That should not open American citizens to having — if this happened — their private records probed because of some sort of political retribution. And if this is the way an Obama administration is going to conduct itself, the American people should know this before the fact.”
—————————
Later, Rudy denied saying what he said..
The GOP is like a circular rifle squad just blasting away. Except, every now and then, a giggling Rudy has to excuse himself to reload and change his dress.

Posted by: Beto | October 26, 2008, 4:19 pm 4:19 pm

LuLu writes, “So I guess if you are a democrate and break the law it is ok, but anyone else is a criminal. Not only a criminal but, dare I say it, Unsocialist, um I mean UnAmerican?”
======================================
Well LuLu, it seems you conveniently overlooked the part where the press ASKED Guiliani if he had ANY proof to back up his comments. Instead of saying “yes, I do” he said what? Oh yeah, you wouldn’t be asking me that if I were a democrat.
In the real world most people would equate his response with a “no” and realize he is simply making things up. Clearly this is not the case in “your” world.
Face it. What he said was an outright lie that he hopes people will simply BUY without proof. Looks like he succeeded in your household. Pathetic.

Posted by: Dems | October 26, 2008, 5:07 pm 5:07 pm

What is the average age of the people on this post 12? Has anyone read their history? I have always voted for the person, not the party. But if Obama gets elected with the dems in majority,
god help us all, this country was founded on checks & balances, which will all disappear. We as Americans, if we can still be called that if Obama wwins, have to right to work hard for our American dreams, not for the government to dictate to us what we can kkeep from our hard earned money to give to someone who doesn’t feel the need to help themselves or work hard for it. We have choices, work hard get more, you reap what you sow people. We have lost our passion & have resorted to believe what the press tells. Americans to your homework, read, read, read, don’t just listen to the bias media and air head actors, they are actors. Also do you want a president that feels he can buy the campaign? He already broke his promise about taking public campaign, what else will he change is mind. Read the cloward Priven stratergy, which Obama studied, see if that doesn’t scare you.

Posted by: marie | October 26, 2008, 5:09 pm 5:09 pm

To vote for McCain, someone would have to hit me over the head really hard so as to compromise my intelligence and decision-making skills sufficiently. “Joe the Plumber” is now as effective a vomit-eliciting treatment as salt water.
To my thinking, a – licensed – plumber making an adjusted gross income of 250K is probably a rip-off artist. Plumbing is an ancient trade; the very professional name dates back to Roman times … ah, plumbum = Pb = lead. The only people that I want to see making that much money better be people who perform cardiac or neurosurgery on patients with 50% or more chance of survival (with chances lower than that the procedure approximates forensics). Other people who, to my thinking, really EARN such a high salary are folks in charge of tens of thousands of people and who face serious legal consequences for any unreasonably risky maneuvres. I can also see frontier-breaking engineers, researchers and computer geniuses making this much. And, yes, the President of the United States as well. But that is about it. Forget the ambulance chasing lawyers, the phony consultants who just repaint old wisdom and sell it for new. And enough with “Joe the Plumber”. Really. The argument hurts every brain cell of mine.

Posted by: transbrown | October 26, 2008, 5:10 pm 5:10 pm

This Joe the Plumber stuff is getting demented. Take a look at the tape of the disccussion between Senator Obama and Joe. It was respectful and substantive on both sides. Obama answered every question that Joe put to him.
Accusing Obama of “punishing” poor Joe because he asked Obama tough questions is yet another McCain stunt. The Obama campaign didn’t discredit Joe. Joe did. He couldn’t resist talking to any reporter who knocked on his door and admitted, among other things, that he was not in any position to buy the business he worked for, made around $40,000 per year, did not support social security, and was not a licensed plumber.
McCain lamented Joe’s loss of privacy but that didn’t prevent him from mentioning Joe twenty-two times in a ninety minute debate. The media later found out that Joe hadn’t paid taxes of some sort and had voted Republican.
Joe, clearly savoring the attention that all of this has provided him, is now seeking a publisher and considering a run for Congress. Let’s consign Joe to the trash bin of other McCain stunts. There’s room between Paris, Britney and fake birth certificates.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 26, 2008, 5:17 pm 5:17 pm

I see you people just don’t understand anything, I think someone did hit you over your head. Joe the plumber did not say he made %250,000, no, he said he wanted to buy his bosses business which makes $250,000. so if you can comprehen this he has employees, which means joe the plumber will be paying payroll taxes, a percentages of fica,etc. so I would say after joe the plumber gets done paying for everything what’s left is his, now he can pay more taxes on income. And by the way whens the last time you hired a plumber? Can you do what a plumber does? Do you realize what their hourly rate is?

Posted by: janet | October 26, 2008, 5:22 pm 5:22 pm

There I was, taking money from an ATM, when BHO rolls up, knocks me down and carves a “B” into my cheek. So, vote for McCain or the terrorists will get you and carve a “B” into your cheek.

Posted by: Number 1 Republican | October 26, 2008, 5:37 pm 5:37 pm

If changing the subject was going to work, the Republicans would have won by now.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
But if someone did something illegal regarding this fine, outstanding, unlicensed, tax-owing, candidate approaching, name changing, “fearful” citizen-plumber, then they should look into it.
Sam is a very awesome name. I think he just wanted anonymity, like us bloggers.

Posted by: haven'theylearnedanything? | October 26, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

Janet, how do you think Joe/Sam the Plumber will secure a business loan for $250,000 with a credit report showing liens against him? I don’t think Joe/Sam has thought this through (which doesn’t inspire confidence that he will net $250,000 that he is so worried about paying extra taxes on any time soon)

Posted by: Kelli | October 26, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Sam is a very awesome name. I think he just wanted anonymity, like us bloggers.
Posted by: haven’theylearnedanything
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Are you sure he wanted anonymity? Do you suppose that is why he went on Fox News, the Huckabee show, has been interviewed by numerous right wing talk radio shows, Katie Couric and Diane Sawyers?

Posted by: Truth Matters | October 26, 2008, 6:09 pm 6:09 pm

Obamas camp won’t talk to a tv station in Florida anymore because they didn’t like the questions they were asking Biden.
Obama is preaching transparenecy in Government and when someone makes him mad he shuts them down? That is scary!!!
Fact”: when congress was working on the budget Obama voted to RAISE taxes on ANYONE making over $42,000.00 a year??? I thought the Messiah said only people making over $250,000.00 per year? Hmmm….
Fact: John McCain did not vote with president Bush 90% of the time. Here’s how it goes folks…… The house hears the bill and votes the senate hears the bill and votes and then it is passed onto the President. Therefore John McCain voted BEFORE the Presidnet saw it. Hmmmmmmmmmmm…
Fact: Before this election John McCain was widely praised for not voting along party lines and trying to reform government. He was one of only 5 Senators republican or democrat trying to reform OUR government. Obama never wanted to work with him to reform it.
Hmmmmm……

Posted by: over it | October 26, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

How many facts must be put before you until you realize that Obama is a fraud?
The lies he has told about Wright (I never heard him speak that way) Ayers (he’s just a man that lives down the street) ACORN (I never trained their organizers),the list goes on and on. Obama is laughing himself sick at the fact that he can say and do anything and all of you still follow him. He is leading the sheep to slaughter.

Posted by: Linda/Michigan | October 26, 2008, 6:57 pm 6:57 pm

Why do democrats feel they can call McCain and Palin names but if you call Obama black your racist. Noone can touch Obama!!!
I find it truly disgusting that anyone would stoop so low as to make up names about anyone else. What’s worse is your allowed to vote!!! What’s worse than that is some of you are raising children and probably expressing your pure hatred and childlike behavior around them.
Grow up….. Obama is not this Countrys savior.
For the person who made the comment about Clinton. He wasn’t either! The only way he got out of his presideny with a budget surplus was because the IRS collected TRILLIONS of dollars from the dotcom boom. Clinton had nothing to do with it. The REPUBLICANS tried for 4 years to have him sign a balanced budget agreement and he wouldn’t. When he found out about the money the IRS collected he hurried back to DC to sign the agreement the REPUBLICANS had tried to get him to sign. Then he got on TV and said look what I did America!
Obama is not good for this Country….See I’m being an adult about this, no name calling!!
P.S. kicking people off the board beacause you don’t agree with what they say is extremly immature!!!

Posted by: over it | October 26, 2008, 7:12 pm 7:12 pm

Republicans = D E S P E R A T I O N.

Posted by: vote4peace | October 26, 2008, 7:36 pm 7:36 pm

Over it: If Obama’s not good for the country then I guess two candidates with ethics violations on their record are huh?

Posted by: vote4peace | October 26, 2008, 7:39 pm 7:39 pm

McCain is the one who made Joe the Plumber a household name. He should give Joe one of his houses..well at least one of his cars.
The McCain supporters on here sound pretty bitter. I guess I would be too if my party drove this country down the drain the last 8 years. Pathetic.

Posted by: SerenityNoww | October 26, 2008, 7:55 pm 7:55 pm

Obama is another one of the great ones who cares about us. Just like Bobby, I fear that some angry person would ever take him away from us when we need him the most. I believe in this man that he will be a phenomenal President and right now, while I watch our family losing everything, I have hope that after this next week it will be the beginning of the changes we so desperately need.

Posted by: dd | October 26, 2008, 7:56 pm 7:56 pm

Kelli,
How do you suppose we know about his credit rating? What if someone decided they didn’t like what you asked them & they decided to looked you up to find out more about you. When an average citizen can’t ask a question of a candiate without fear of being mocked is smells of loss of our democracy.
Soon people will be afraid to voice their opinion if it differs from that party in fear of being made a fool of.
Maybe we should look & see why Joe the plumber has a lien, he’s recently divorced, maybe his hours are cut at work. I’m sure we’ve all had things in our lives that we would like to remain private. I quess Joe the plumber has “The Adacity of Hope.” Also if you do your homework our demise of our financial problems began with the 106th congress, endorsed by Clinton & Greenspan.

Posted by: janet | October 26, 2008, 8:42 pm 8:42 pm

Lies,Lies,Lies… Obama had nothing to do with it. It is public record. And the only thig that was released was the taxes that he owed. Not his S.S. No. or any private info. In Pa. if you donot pay your taxes it is printed in the news paper. And how much you owe.And your name on top of that. So Nazi Repubs try again. KEEP TRYING YOUR MAKING YOURSELF LOOK MORE AND MORE PATHETIC… AND QUITE FRANKLY IT IS MORE AND MORE OF A JOKE. WHICH THE REPUB PARTY HAS ALWAYS BEEN… Greg

Posted by: greg | October 26, 2008, 8:54 pm 8:54 pm

Republicans for Obama ’08!
Stop the lies…

Posted by: bullshat | October 26, 2008, 9:01 pm 9:01 pm

No Janet, he said that he was buying his bosses business. And then he would be making about $250.00 Your Joe boy is a joke and a lier. And all he wants is attention,and fame. Yet like any other joke in the media that will be forgotten about in a few months. Him in the gongress Ha! Ha! Ha. Move to Alaska Joe ol boy. Move in a tiny village that may have two people to vote for you.

Posted by: greg | October 26, 2008, 9:06 pm 9:06 pm

Republicans for Obama ’08!
Stop the lies…

Posted by: bullshat | October 26, 2008, 9:14 pm 9:14 pm

LOL! Blaming Clinton now for the economy? Can you say surplus and no wars? Yet Bush CHOSE to have a two front war and give back the surplus. All of this while increasing spending and decreasing regulation.
Only a mad men start two front wars – only irresponsible idiots don’t raise taxes during a war.
I was 100% committed to taking out Al Qaeda but Bush had other ideas like taking out a country that was never a threat to the US.

Posted by: SerenityNoww | October 26, 2008, 9:19 pm 9:19 pm

Let’s see Jake……..
Information on Wurzelbacher was accessed by accounts assigned to the office of Ohio Attorney General Nancy H. Rogers, the Cuyahoga County Child Support Enforcement Agency and the Toledo Police Department.
Now…the press has been camped out in Joes driveway. So if another government official didn’t tap computers for this info, the only others interested, would be the press.
Either way, someone did indeed do it, and for what other reason, then political? You’re becoming an absurd joke my dear.
Joe asked a question. Obama’s answer drew scrutiny, and Joe is being blamed for it. It is political, and you know it. What I can’t figure out is, why you all want a socialist nation so badly? Do you not see what it’s done to Venezuela?
You’ll remember that a national media uproar ensued after it was discovered that State Department contractors had snooped through Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and John McCain’s passports. (Later, it turned out that the CEO of a company whose employee was involved in Passport-gate was a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign.
Shhh we won’t say that last paragraph wasn’t political either.

Posted by: Jeanie | October 26, 2008, 10:54 pm 10:54 pm

I was 100% committed to taking out Al Qaeda but Bush had other ideas like taking out a country that was never a threat to the US.
No worries. When Franks, Dodd, Pelosi,and Reid rule the roost, they’ll cut the military spending by 25% literally rendering the military, and our national security helpless.
I’m sure that will bring our nation serenity.

Posted by: Jeanie | October 26, 2008, 10:57 pm 10:57 pm

First of all, I have been digging around and trying to find out if everything, each candidates said is truthful… And I quote ABC: “…a plumber concerned that Senator Obama was going to raise his taxes asked him directly about his plan. The response was telling. Senator Obama explained to him that he was going to raise his taxes to quote ‘spread the wealth around.’…”
1. My question is, if Obama believes firmly in what he said, why didn’t he help pay for Hillary Clinton’s 20 million campaign debt?
2. For the past 8 years, I have received several refund checks under Bush’s Administration… I am curious if Obama did donate or return his tax money (since he is about the $250,000 pay grade) back to his government or people that he is supposedly serving? I couldn’t find it anywhere on his records.
Thanks for the help.
Curious

Posted by: curious | October 26, 2008, 11:09 pm 11:09 pm

Sorry about the typo error. I mean “above the $250,000 pay grade”

Posted by: Curious | October 26, 2008, 11:12 pm 11:12 pm

Does anyone still take Giuliani seriously anymore? This is the brilliant strategist who decided to wait until the Florida primary to begin his campaign–after the race was over! This is the guy stupid enough to have his police officers drive him around to his tristes with his paramour! This is the same guy whose only campaign slogans were noun + verb + 011. The guy is a bitter and brainless nincompoop!

Posted by: Tmax | October 26, 2008, 11:13 pm 11:13 pm

Janet, when you apply for a business loan, the creditor checks into the applicant’s credit rating. DUH

Posted by: Kelli | October 26, 2008, 11:18 pm 11:18 pm

Giuliani went from his glory days to being one of the most vile pieces of trash I’ve seen in politics.

Posted by: alex | October 26, 2008, 11:40 pm 11:40 pm

Hey, Curiuous, you seem like a good-natured inquisitive guy, so I thought I’d give your questions a shot.
>1. My question is, if Obama believes firmly in what he said, why didn’t he help pay for Hillary Clinton’s 20 million campaign debt?
Because that has nothing to do with what he said, and suggesting otherwise is clear political grandstanding.
2. For the past 8 years, I have received several refund checks under Bush’s Administration… I am curious if Obama did donate or return his tax money (since he is about the $250,000 pay grade) back to his government or people that he is supposedly serving? I couldn’t find it anywhere on his records.
I don’t know.
Good questions, though maybe next time try to make your questions relevant to your talking points.

Posted by: alex | October 26, 2008, 11:44 pm 11:44 pm

Alex,
Thank you so much for answering. I understand that paying for Hillary’s debt probably has nothing to do with Joe the Plumber’s issue(s) or publicity but if Obama firmly believes in ‘spreading the wealth’ why didn’t he help out his own fellow citizen?
Furthermore, I am disgusted with how anyone can rip ‘Joe the Plumber’ apart for asking a question that he has on his mind regardless weather he has/had the ‘plumber’s license’ or not. Or whether he is planning to buy a business that makes $250,000 — more or less. As if those mockers, who feel he/she is/are ‘better’ could asked a more intellect question. I sincerely think, Joe’s question is legitimate.
I remember knowing America to be a place where children dare to dream. A place where anything is possible, if only you’re willing to work hard for it. To dream and become ‘somebody’ one day, a place where there is hope and faith…
I have a full time job, and I spend 99% of my time-off doing charity work. I worked my butt off so that I can save up for my old age because I am not planning on the government or anyone else to take care of me. But why ‘punish’ us (those who are willing to work hard) to pay for those who aren’t willing to work? Those who are perfectly happy with being on welfare?
I apologized in advance if I come across antagonistic, I am not trying to.
Regards,
Curious

Posted by: Curious | October 27, 2008, 12:39 am 12:39 am

Alex,
” Obama Responds to McCain Camp Insinuations it Hacked into Joe the Plumber’s Private Files” — You mean this talking point?
I would stick to this talking point if it really has any bearing as to how this country would be better off or run. I don’t have any concrete prove as to weather Obama or his people has hacked into Joe’s private mail nor if McCain’s camp is telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth, neither do you nor ABC. :-) I shall leave that to speculation, at best. I am more interested with policies and issues rather than ‘he said or she said.’
I am interested with what I’d do or simply common sense rather than playing dirty tricks, and I have find that regardless what dirty tricks your opponent plays, it will ultimately goes in full circle.

Posted by: Curious | October 27, 2008, 12:54 am 12:54 am

All Neocons calling Obama a liar: Read Rolling Stone’s 10-16-08 article on McCain.
If even 1/10th of it is true, then McCain is a complete fraud(he is any way-revisit the 2000 McCain).

Posted by: mike west | October 27, 2008, 1:01 am 1:01 am

Anything to avoid talking about the issues.

Posted by: able | October 27, 2008, 5:39 am 5:39 am

If John McCain had not made “Joe the Plumber” the cornerstone of his campaign, the press would have had not interest in him. Obama answered his question honestly. “Honesty”, that’s something you don’t see much of in the McCain campaign.

Posted by: Craig | October 27, 2008, 7:51 am 7:51 am

Yeah, McCain dragged Joe the plumber to the spotlight – abusing him for his own purposes and exposing him to the media.
If he really would want people to ask questions he would have never done that.
But this is not what he wants. He just wants to smear as much as he can, because his policies remain 90% Bush’s policies and this does not bring him any votes.
John McCain thinks he has nothing to lose anymore when in fact he now loses every single tiny remainder of his honour. Sad, sad.

Posted by: Truth Reigns | October 27, 2008, 8:22 am 8:22 am

Just like the kid who hacked into Palin’s e-mail– son of a State official supporting Obama
Our freedoms is in danger if Obama is elected.

Posted by: MaryD | October 27, 2008, 9:01 am 9:01 am

joe the plumber is like a recurring nightmare or better yet, hemorrhoids that won’t go away. still, the man is some kind of saint to palin and mccain. just a few more days and we finally know who won it. whoever wins it, certainly hope it is by a wide margin so there is no mistake or second guessing by anyone. decisive win is most welcome.

Posted by: Lawrence | October 27, 2008, 9:09 am 9:09 am

You Democrats are such hypocrites, When A Republican wants to listen in on phone calls of suspected terrorist you guys cry your right to privacy is being infringed on! Now that a Democrat who didn’t like an honest question from an Average middle class American they decided it was okay to attack him and look into his private records. Is this what America is when a citizen disagrees with a Candidate they attack him! If this is how the Candidate acts, how will he act as President when someone apposes him? So on one hand it infringing on privacy to try and stop terrorist attacks and that offends you , but it is okay invade privacy when an American citizen exposes His plan for redistribution.

Posted by: batesba74 | October 27, 2008, 9:18 am 9:18 am

In the same vein as some of these idiotic Republican comments I only want to add….remember Nixon, Watergate and the real Plumbers,McCain’s buddy G.Gordon Liddy and his group of thieves,safe crackers and assassins.That,and the complete arrogant idiocy of the Bush family should be a lesson for Americans, but,as I fear ,McCain is probably set himself up to steal the election via a false flag tragedy and the supreme court.All I can say is America is spiraling quickly down the same toilet that took Argentina ,Chile and Germany years ago.

Posted by: Guy | October 27, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

And I don’t want to get weird here but what is with this greasy looking has been , Mr Guliani character, always giggling like some little schoolgirl? Doesn’t he have any idea how hideous he already looks? He looks like McCain’s buddy, Pinochet, when he smiles.You are who you hang with and McCain seems to like these right wing dictator types a little too much for my liking.

Posted by: Guy | October 27, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

Joe the plumber again? Before McCain picked a poster child for his campaign, the GOP should have investigated him. The Republican’s have not handled themselves well by throwing out accustaions. It hurts their numbers. I guess it is time for them to pack up their marbles and go home.

Posted by: SUSIE | October 27, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

It is absurd to suggest that this man should be vetted for asking a QUESTION. It’s not his fault that Obama had a scary answer. Maybe the DNC should have vetted Obama instead of attacking anybody who dares to question him or ask for clarification.

Posted by: Allison | October 27, 2008, 5:32 pm 5:32 pm

I bet my middle-class tax break (the bigger one–you know, under Obama) that Allison hasn’t even seen Obama’s *actual* answer to “Joe the Plumber.” She’s heard the GOP flacks talk about Obama’s “socialism” and “spread the wealth” answer and she’s fallen for it hook, line, and stinker.
Here’s an idea: Use your brain. Go watch the five-minute answer Obama actually gave the guy, which was a heck of a lot more thoughtful than what the GOP and the media (*gasp* I thought they were liberal!?) have portrayed.
(Hint: it’s nothing even close to “socialism” or “spread the wealth.”)

Posted by: MLA | October 27, 2008, 8:08 pm 8:08 pm

By the way, Allison, I love how the right is whining about “Joe the Plumber” being “attacked” for “asking a question.” He’s a life-long Republican who went to that rally determined to “embarrass” Obama with a made-up question. The McCain campaign latched onto him as if he was just your everyday voter. If the Obama campaign, or even just an unaffiliated Obama supporter, did something like that to McCain, you’d be screaming about how sleazy it was.

Posted by: MLA | October 27, 2008, 8:11 pm 8:11 pm

Awesome write-up. Will keep an eye out for more from you. Have you got monthly newsletter I can sign up to? Thankyou

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