Obama: My Tax Credits are Not ‘Welfare’

For those not familiar with hussein’s loony-left welfare plan and his related radical wealth re-distribution plan, here is a summary that even a hussein sycophant might understand (provide somebody reads it to them very, very S-L-O-W-L-Y):
1. hussein will raise taxes (somebody has to pay for this welfare). As plagiarist-joe biden said: RAISING TAXES IS PATRIOTIC.
2. Since most of hussein’s supporters don’t contribute to society, don’t earn meaningful income and therefore don’t pay taxes, hussein plans to re-distribute wealth by giving the tax money paid by hard-working, successful Americans to his supporters via a tax credit. For example, consider those college pukes that support him and primarily live off their parents for drug money (and probably will do for the rest of their lives). Say they earn a few dollars flipping-burgers, and pay no income taxes. Under hussein’s plan, even these pukes WILL GET A CHECK OF $1000 OR MORE FROM THE IRS.
3. Thus hussein will, in fact, create the biggest welfare system ever in the world. He will penalize those that work hard and are successful, and reward those that don’t contribute with cash payments.
For every hard-working American: be afraid, be very afraid of hussein’s plans to socialize America. Reject this shallow, arrogant, platitude-spouting, inexperienced, drug-addicted, elitist, narcissistic, flip-flopping gas-bag who is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes. Instead, vote for somebody who will reform the Washington mess – instead of making it an even more horrific monster.

Sen. McCain is going to let working people pay less in taxes. That is a tax-cut.
Sen. Obama is going to write checks to people who don’t pay taxes. That is welfare.
Senator Obama’s plan is not tax-and-spend liberalism, it is income redistribution socialism.

Republicans are always against welfare on the little guy but gives millions away to corporate welfare. Isn’t that right AIG, Lehman Brothers, etc.

– Sen. McCain is going to let working people pay less in taxes. That is a tax-cut. –
Unless you make $100Kor more, you won’t see a tax cut under McCain.
Unless you make more than $250K, you won’t see a tax increase under Obama, and then only to levels less than they were under Clinton.
If we want to continue doing things like performing the largest government reorg since WWII, or unprovoked attacks against foreign countries that cost $10 billion a month, money has to be raised from somewhare.
Trickle down is a failed experiment. And yet, people continue to think that if we try it again, it might work this time. There is a name for people who think like that.. and it is not flattering.

When Obama told Joe the Plumber he believed it was best to spread the wealth around, it was one on one, from his heart, not a telepromted speach. It was real. Now he’s trying to back peddle. He also told a rally “how many plumbers do you know that make $250,000?” That was just rude! He is a phony & cannot be trusted! Also, Biden mentioned “redistribution of wealth” in his debate. It’s who these guys are & it’s what they believe!

McCain’s tax plans are no different than Bush’s…he basically says lets keep things the way they are. We’ll, the way it’s being done now is not working for anyone except the rich.

Previous comments against Mr. Obama seemsmall potatos compared to 100,000 people … Americans look like they are going to chose common good as opposed to vitriol, anger and division.

A tax cut for NON-wealthy people, outrageous, how dare the democrats suggest that the average American should get relief.
Don’t they know that this land is for the GOP rich?

Please stop!… Did you get a $300.00 stimulus check from the Bush Administration… and what do you think the $700 billion dollar bail out is you moron!. Pots please stop calling Kettle Black!

John H. Is a dirty racist. His name is Barack Obama you scum bag.
And his tax policies help the working class much more than McCains. McCains tax policy is targeted towards the richest people in this country.

Taxes is welfare? Does that mean that as it is right now, cooperate CEO’s and Oil companies are getting a welfare check from the government in the same sense? Now McCain wants to give them even more! Taking from the rich? How long has the rich been taking from us, both in tax cuts and price gauging at the pump? I think it’s time for the CEO’s and Oil companies to pay us back the money they took from us in the first place. McCain just hates this plan because it might take a few thousand off his 4 million dollar yearly income. He doesn’t care about America, he cares about himself and power, thats all.

This is not capitalism it is socialism for the wealthy and economic slavery for everyone else.

Since the end of Clinton’s term, I have seen wealth become more and more concentrated and the GOP borrow and spend like drunken sailors. My child will have to pay off the debt that you right wing jerks have run up on your stupid tax cuts and your g’damn wars.

It is so exciting to smell the fear of the right-wingnuts. I am from the metro St. Louis area and I can tell you here and now that Obama will win in Missouri – the crowds at the St. Louis Arch were reported as 100,000 but that is not close. The crowds were bigger than for any event I have been at – my estimate and those of people in the area are much higher. It just proves that we are sick and tired of being sick and tired and poor in this country because of the repukelicans and McLame and Pain and their supporters. Go crawl back into your caves. The party is over for you.

Sen. Barack Obama is a Muslim of Kenyan origins who studied in Islamic schools and whose campaign may have been financed by people in the Islamic and African worlds, Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi said during a recent televised national rally. ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
“There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama,” said Gadhafi in little-noticed remarks he made at a rally marking the anniversary of the 1986 U.S. air raid on his country. …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
The remarks, translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, MEMRI, were aired on Al Jazeera in June. …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
“All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man,” continued Gadhafi. “They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency. …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….………………………………………………………………………………………………………
“We are hoping that this black man will take pride in his African and Islamic identity, and in his faith, and that [he will know] that he has rights in America, and that he will change America from evil to good, and that America will establish relations that will serve it well with other peoples, especially the Arabs,” Gadhafi said.

John McCain and the GOP don’t give a crap about struggling families. They never have. All they care about are the rich. Corporate welfare is perfectly fine but heaven forbid the folks that really need a tax break actually get it. Under John McCain’s plan the rich will get richer and the middle-class will get the shaft, the same as they have the last 8 years. You people need to wake up.

Why is it that these republicans call it socialism when the democrats merely want to shift the tax bracket back where it belongs?
Bush shifted the tax bracket, took money from the middle-class & redistributed it to the rich but you don’t hear these republicans howling socialism when they do it.
So here is the republican logic Robin Hood in reverse is all American but a fair shake to the American worker is socialism.
John McCain’s plan to tax the health care benefits of working Americans to drive them into the ranks of the uninsured is a prime example of his philosophy that the middle-class exist only to serve the rich therefore hard work is not rewarded.
I get so sick of the republican view that Americans have too much. The whole purpose of work is to get ahead so a person can enjoy a better standard of living but the republicans have something against that because they have a sweat shop mentality towards the American worker. Yes we are nothing but a disposable commodity so no health care is required.
After the last 8 years of destruction from republican rule it’s time for a change. Vote for Obama in November.

– implementing Obama’s socialist healthcare system, we will destroy any chance the nation has to balance the budget and pay down the debt. –
You obviously don’t understand, or from what you have written, care about health care in America.
Hint: Both McCain and Obamas plans will cost about the same, but Obamas will provide insurance for more americans and be more efficient in doing so.
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126

Wisdom – The recent $800 billion bailout plan was socialist. You do know that right? John McCain’s plan to buy up people’s mortgages? Yep, that’s socialist too. The $250 billion plan to buy up shares in banks? That’s actually communist. So this socialism you speak of is already happening and it’s coming from a republican administration!!!

McCAIN YOU AND YOUR BUDDY PHIL GRAHAM’S DEREGULATION CRASHED THE ECONOMY!
The Graham-Leach act of 1999 removed all of the regulatory protections of the Glass-Stegal Act put in place post Depression in 1932. The Glass-Steagal Act regulations stopped banks from doing exactly what they did in recent years, get to big and run wild!!!
In 2000 Phil Graham came back under George Bush and a Republican Congress and removed the rest of the regulations on financial institutions that eventually led to this entire mess!!!!
This week that earned PHIL GRAHAM an honored place on CNN’s “10 worst culprits” of the current financial crisis!
I don’t see Barnie Frank, Chuck Schumer or Chris Dodd on CNN’s “culprits list!”
And John McCain voted against deregulation time and time again throughout his career in both the House and Senate..
There is no denying these facts and Phil Graham was/is McCain’s principle economic adviser!!
CASE CLOSED!
Let’s elect SMART LEADERS FOR A CHANGE! Obama/Biden ’08!!

Call it what you will Obama, taxing me more to give your hood rats and women with 6 kids and 5 different baby daddys (who don’t support them) is welfare. If Obama gets elected there will be a huge class warfare, and lots of middle class people will merely quit their jobs and join the ranks of the welfare rolls, instead of working to pay for them.

The Washington Times
VOIGHT: My concerns for America
Obama sowing socialist seeds in young people
We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.
Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.
The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.
The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.
Those same leaders who were in the streets in the ’60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our president, and they have found their way into our schools. William Ayers is a good example of that.
Thank God, today, we have a strong generation of young soldiers who know exactly who they are and what they must do to protect our freedom and our democracy. And we have the leadership of Gen. David Petraeus, who has brought hope and stability to Iraq and prevented the terrorists from establishing a base in that country. Our soldiers are lifting us to an example of patriotism at a time when we’ve almost forgotten who we are and what is at stake.
If Mr. Obama had his way, he would have pulled our troops from Iraq years ago and initiated an unprecedented bloodbath, turning over that country to the barbarianism of our enemies. With what he has openly stated about his plans for our military, and his lack of understanding about the true nature of our enemies, there’s not a cell in my body that can accept the idea that Mr. Obama can keep us safe from the terrorists around the world, and from Iran, which is making great strides toward getting the atomic bomb. And while a misleading portrait of Mr. Obama is being perpetrated by a media controlled by the Democrats, the Obama camp has sent out people to attack the greatness of Sen. John McCain, whose suffering and courage in a Hanoi prison camp is an American legend.
Gen. Wesley Clark, who himself has shame upon him, having been relieved of his command, has done their bidding and become a lying fool in his need to demean a fellow soldier and a true hero.
This is a perilous time, and more than ever, the world needs a united and strong America. If, God forbid, we live to see Mr. Obama president, we will live through a socialist era that America has not seen before, and our country will be weakened in every way.
Jon Voight is an Academy Award-winning actor who is well-known for his humanitarian work.
The Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2008/jul/28/voight/

Talk about a TIDAL WAVE of VOTERS !!!
Bill O’Reilly said it’s not over, but he can hear the Fat Lad warming up.

According to McCain, any progressive tax policy (and guess what, our current income tax system is progressive) is socialist. That’s a stretch and he definitely needs to read up on socialism.
Obama’s plan is to make sure those who work hard can pursue their American dream. It’s about equal opportunity for those who work hard: if you work very hard but still can’t make ends meet, there is something wrong with the system and we need to address it so you can still afford to invest in your as well as your kids’ future.
His tax hikes for the extremely rich are also very modest — just a matter of restoring the tax rates for the rich during the prosperous Clinton era.

Note to self…Nov. 5th…If Obama is elected…quit job…sign up for welfare, food stamps, WIC, housing subsidy , AFDC,

JUST LOOK AT THIS ECONOMY AND TELL ME THE NAMES OF THE SOCIALIST RESPONSIBLE-GW BUSH AND VP-CHENEY-ARE WE OWNED BY CHINA YET? WHO SPENT ALL OUR MONEY ON THE IRAQ WAR? WHO SAID THE WAR WILL CONTINUE A 100 YEARS(MCCAIN)- WHO IS GIVING 700 BILLION TO CORPORATIONS(WELFARE) BUSH- WHO ALLOWED THIS ECONOMY TO BE IN THE TOILET FOR THE LONGEST TIME-BUSH-WHO VOTED WITH BUSH OVER 90% OF THE TIME-MCCAIN–I DIDN’TNAME OBAMA YET ONLY THE REPUBLICANS. MCSAME AND HIS CAMP -MORE OF THE SAME LIES.

For those of you who do not know
(Un)Concerned American he is an Obama Marxist Comrade who writes under 2 dozen different names in two dozen different blogs spreading the Obama Doctrine – that is Carl Marx’s Doctrine!
He works for ACORN and has been taking lessons on “plagiarism” from Joe Biden!
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!

Alex H – you’re a real ‘richard cranium’, aren’t you? Fear-mongering and spreading the GOP lies like the good little sheep you are. And yes, I typed this slowly so maybe you will comprehend what I say: Mccain will lose, Obama will win, and everyone benefits, including jerks like you.

By saying that Obama’s tax cuts represent welfare because many are not paying federal income taxes, McCain implies that Obama’s plan is to reward slackers. This is misleading. As Obama explained clearly, his tax cuts are only for those who work. And all who work have to pay paroll taxes (not to mention they also pay sales taxes).
As an upper-middle class income earner, I have the feeling that I am gaining more from the tax system than those earning much less than me. Take tax exemptions on mortgage interest payments as an example. Aren’t those exemptions welfare to people who can afford a house?
It’s time for the relatively well-off to do a bit of soul-searching. Our stereotypes rarely describe reality, folks.

For those who don’t agree with then I’d suggest you send back your “stimulus” check that you most likely cashed.

For all of you who think you have this election in the bag–you may be right. But make damn sure this is what you want. I think Obama’s supporters are going to be extremely upset when they discover their golden boy can’t keep all of the promises he made. He’s a one term President at best and will be nothing more than a blurb in American History 150 years from now. If this nation survives that long–God willing!! I admit Obama has some good ideas–but his rapid advancement to the top is too much too soon and he will fall flat on his face because of his lack of experience. And I truely believe that Pelosi and Reid are the ones who holds the purse strings will impose their personal agendas onto Obama’s administration (thus Obama never really being in control).

This presentation is a must watch for the left-wing-liberal media clowns and all “morally sound” American fellows.
A VIDEO PORTRAIT OF BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
AMERICA THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE

The New York Times trashes Obama’s Health Care Plan…
Health Plan From Obama Spurs Debate
By KEVIN SACK
It is one of the most audacious promises in a campaign that has been thick with them.
In speech after speech, Senator Barack Obama has vowed that he will lower the country’s health care costs enough to “bring down premiums by $2,500 for the typical family.” Moreover, Mr. Obama, the presumptive Democratic nominee, has promised that his health plan will be in place “by the end of my first term as president of the United States.”
Whether Mr. Obama can deliver is a matter of considerable dispute among health analysts and economists. While there is consensus that the American health care system is bloated with waste, eliminating enough to save $2,500 per family would require simultaneous and synergistic solutions to a host of problems that have proved intractable for decades.
Even if the next president and Congress can muster the political will, analysts question whether significant savings would materialize in as little as four years, or even in 10. But as Mr. Obama confronts an electorate that is deeply unsettled by escalating health costs, he is offering a precise “chicken in every pot” guarantee based on numbers that are largely unknowable. Furthermore, it is not completely clear what he is promising.
His words about lowering “premiums” by $2,500 for the average family of four have been fairly consistent. But the health policy advisers who formulated the figure say it actually represents the average family’s share of savings not only in premiums paid by individuals, but also in premiums paid by employers and in tax-supported health programs like Medicare and Medicaid.
“What we’re trying to do,” said one of the advisers, David M. Cutler, in explaining the gap between Mr. Obama’s words and his intent, “is find a way to talk to people in a way they understand.”
The original arithmetic was somewhat basic. In May 2007, three Harvard professors who are unpaid advisers to the Obama campaign — Mr. Cutler, David Blumenthal and Jeffrey Liebman — produced a memorandum offering their “best guess” that a menu of changes would produce savings of at least $200 billion a year (it has since been revised to $214 billion). That would amount to about 8 percent of the $2.5 trillion in health care spending projected for 2009, when the next president takes office.
The memorandum attributed specific savings to several broad initiatives, with the numbers plucked from recent studies. Investments in computerized medical records would save $77 billion a year, the advisers wrote. Reducing administrative costs in the insurance industry would yield up to $46 billion. Improving prevention programs and chronic disease management would be worth $81 billion.
The total savings were then divided by the country’s population, multiplied for a family of four, and rounded down slightly to a number that was easy to grasp: $2,500. The average cost of family coverage bought through an employer was $12,106 in 2007, with workers paying $3,281 of that amount, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation, a health research group.
Mr. Obama aspires to cover the country’s 47 million uninsured by requiring insurers to accept all comers, regardless of their health status, and by providing generous tax credits to low-income workers. The tax credits could be used to buy into a new federal health plan or private plans marketed through a government exchange.
The subsidies are expensive, estimated at well over $100 billion. Other components of the Obama plan also bear up-front costs, like a pledge to spend $50 billion over five years to speed the computerization of health records, $6 billion a year on tax credits to small businesses that provide coverage to workers, and an unspecified amount to buffer businesses from high-cost insurance claims.
The source Mr. Obama has identified to pay for them — the repeal of President Bush’s tax cuts for those making more than $250,000 — would cover only about half. That means additional health care savings would be needed, not only to keep premiums under control but also to help pay for the subsidies.
A consensus has emerged among health economists that at least a third of the country’s spending on health care is unnecessary. Both Mr. Obama, of Illinois, and his Republican rival, Senator John McCain of Arizona, agree that significant sums could be saved through reductions in unneeded procedures and improvements in electronic record-keeping, prevention and chronic disease management.
But the dollar values Mr. Obama has attached to individual components of his plan are beginning to attract scrutiny. In particular, the Congressional Budget Office issued a report in May questioning the amount to be saved from the computerization of health systems.
Mr. Obama took his estimate of $77 billion a year from a 2005 study by the RAND Corporation (which cautioned that reductions of that magnitude would not emerge for 15 years). The Congressional analysts found, however, that for various methodological reasons the RAND study was “not an appropriate guide” to potential savings.
This month, Mr. Obama’s health advisers tried to recast the debate so that the questioning of any one number would not undermine the plan’s broader credibility. They enlisted eight health policy experts to sign a letter that, without endorsing the math behind any single initiative, proclaimed it was “not only possible, but likely” that Mr. Obama could save $200 billion annually. They did not say by when.
Mr. Cutler, who helped collect the signatures, said he and his colleagues had decided “that our attempt to lay out one plausible scenario for the savings had created more problems than it had solved.” He added: “Putting the debate where this message puts it — do you believe we can save 8 percent of health spending through a major series of public and private reforms — asks the question in a way that is much more productive than the issue of ‘Do you believe a single estimate among many, many studies?’ ”
Mr. Obama’s economic policy director, Jason Furman, said the campaign’s estimates were conservative and asserted that much of the savings would come quickly. “We think we could get to $2,500 in savings by the end of the first term, or be very close to it,” Mr. Furman said.
The campaign won additional backing this week from Kenneth E. Thorpe of Emory University, an authority on health care costs who helped formulate Bill Clinton’s failed plan in 1993. In an assessment that he initiated in coordination with the campaign, Mr. Thorpe wrote that if all of Mr. Obama’s proposals were enacted they would reduce health spending by between $203 billion and $273 billion by 2012. He calculated that half of the savings would accrue to the federal government.
The Obama advisers said that while not all of the savings would translate into lower premiums, consumers would gain in other ways. The savings to employers would be passed along as higher wages, they predicted, and the savings to government would eventually mean either lower taxes or added benefits.
But whether employers and governments respond that way cannot be guaranteed, particularly in a difficult economy. And a number of health policy experts have questioned whether the $2,500 projection is either fiscally or politically realistic. Reducing health care costs, they emphasized, means taking money from someone’s pocket and rationing care that Americans have come to expect, a recipe for stiff resistance.
“There is no easy money because, as the saying goes, one person’s fraud and abuse is another person’s income,” said Joseph R. Antos of the American Enterprise Institute. “I wouldn’t think that four years or eight years or probably 10 years will be enough to see numbers of that sort.”
The Commonwealth Fund, a health research group in New York, published a study in December projecting that a robust overhaul consisting of 15 broad initiatives would generate savings of only 6 percent after 10 years. “Doing it by the end of a first term is ambitious and would require tough policies,” said Karen Davis, the group’s president.
Jonathan B. Oberlander, who teaches health policy at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, called it wishful thinking. “Do they have the potential to generate significant savings in the long run?” Dr. Oberlander asked. “Yes. Do I believe they will produce substantial savings in the short run that can be used to finance Obama’s plan? No.”
THE NEW YORK TIMES
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/23/us/23health.html?_r=1&ref=policy&pagewanted=all&oref=slogin

whoa! what a turn of events! Sen. Obama says “I’m not giving tax cuts to folks who don’t work (pay any income tax), I’m giving tax cuts to people who do work (and pay income tax).” But we know 40% of all workers don’t pay ANY federal income tax. Therefore, when Sen. Obama used to say he’s going to cut taxes for 95% of all working Americans (as opposed to Sen. McCain’s tax cuts for 100% of all tax-paying Americans), he’s going to now have to say 55% of all working Americans (as opposed to Sen. McCain’s 60% of all working Americans)

wisdom:
What is wise about your foolish comments about senator Obama?
The word “Wisdom” should be associated with King Jesus and king Soloman…..
Why are you using this sacred word to spread hate and division?

– I admit Obama has some good ideas–but his rapid advancement to the top is too much too soon and he will fall flat on his face because of his lack of experience. –
“Every politician who’s ever run for president gins himself to be the embodiment of the best things America perceives about itself, but Obama was doing so after seven years in which the country, steadily and fearfully, had abandoned in practice all those things it still believed about itself in theory. He was attempting to redefine American Exceptionalism–a concept that has done more good than harm in the world–for a new century in which America has been a lot of things, but exceptional isn’t one of them.”
From Esquire – 75 most important people of the 21st Century
http://www.esquire.com/features/75-most-influential/barack-obama-1008

There obviously will be a lot of sad Bush/McCain supporters come Nov. 4th….
With all the hate and disgusting words against Obama…….you losers still will lose…..

How about McCain’s questionable associates?___JOSEPH “JOE BANANAS” BONANO: Bonano crime family, who had retired to Arizona.____
DONALD R. DIAMOND: political favors for real estate developer Donald R. Diamond. McCain stepped in to use official clout to facilitate sale of land that Diamond had wanted..____
REP. RICK RENZI (R-AZ) co-chair of McCain’s Arizona Leadership Team indicted for extortion, wire fraud, money laundering and other charges related to a land deal in Arizona.
CHARLES KEATING. Keating had called on McCain, among other Senators to help him resist regulators in exchange for the money. ___
LOBBYISTS ON HIS CAMPAIGN STAFF. McCain has at least 159 lobbyists, on leave from their firms, running his campaign operation. It’s why McCain has defended lobbyists and the lobbying industry over and over again. ___
VICKI ISEMAN– PAXON TELECOM. McCain denied an affaireven though he had admitted it in a legal deposition.
RICHARD QUINN. In the 2000 primary, McCain paid $20,000 a month to South Carolina consultant Richard Quinn, a NEO-CONFEDERATE REVANCHIST ;who advocated voting for David Duke___
CHARLES BLACK JR.: …campaign adviser of McCain has friends in low places. Defended McCain’s relationship with telecom lobbyist Vicki Iseman ….lobbying clients included General Motors, United Technologies, JPMorgan and AT&T.___
SENATOR PHIL) GRAMM architect of deregulation which led to Enron and the subprime mortgage meltdown.,
“PASTOR” JOHN HAGEE: believes Pope is the Anti-Christ, believes Jews responsible for their own suffering …advocates starting a war with Iran in the Middle East to ‘hasten Armageddon’___
JACK ABRAMOFF: McCain trying to escape ties to criminal lobbyists Jack Ahramoff, Randy Scheunemann and Ralph Reed. ___
RANDY SCHEUNEMANN, Scheunemann was lobbying for the Republic of Georgia – yet now, he’s advising McCain on Georgia and Russiap conflict____
RALPH REED: Abramoff crony Abramoff directed at least $4.2 million to Reed as he defrauded Indians, McCain never called Reed to testify before the Senate .____
There is a whole cast of corrupt McCain advisors and fundraisers who prove how deeply McCain embedded is in the Republican culture of corruption -
Source: .____http://news.yahoo.com/s/usnw/20080815/pl_usnw/dnc__mccain_watch__scheunemann__abramoff__and_reed____
CRAIG BERKMAN borrowed $5 million.from the investors whose funds he controlled without their permission, and even failed to tell “most” of them what he had done. A two-year suit against Berkman was decided in July 2008, when a jury found he had defrauded investors and ordered him to pay them $28 million.

GOOGLE: The Title Of The Article: “MAKE BELIEVE MAVERICK: A CLOSER LOOK AT THE LIFE AND CAREER OF JOHN McCAIN REVEALS A DISTURBING RECORD OF RECKLESSNESS, AND DISHONESTY”

GOOGLE: The Title Of The Article: “MAKE BELIEVE MAVERICK: A CLOSER LOOK AT THE LIFE AND CAREER OF JOHN McCAIN REVEALS A DISTURBING RECORD OF RECKLESSNESS, AND DISHONESTY”

– The New York Times trashes Obama’s Health Care Plan. –
I just love it when people like Natasha bring up the New York TImes article, which uses the Commonwealth Fund analysis as it’s source.. What does the Commonwealth Fund say about the two health plans?
“Measured against these broad principles, Obama’s proposal for mixed private–public group insurance with a shared responsibility for financing has greater potential to move the health care system toward high performance than does McCain’s proposal to encourage individual market coverage through the use of tax incentives and deregulation (Figure ES-4). Compared with McCain’s approach, Obama’s approach could provide more people with affordable health insurance that covers essential services, achieve greater equity in access to care, realize efficiencies and cost savings in the provision of coverage and delivery of care, and redirect incentives to improve quality.”
http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=707948
Pretty much what the Tax Policy Center says as well:
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126
As well as the analysis by the Wall Street Journal:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122152292213639569.html

100,000 people attended the Obama rally in St. Louis.
Posted by: Jim
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It reminds me a Fidel/Raoul Castro rally! It certainly looked as if we are undergoing an “October [COMMUNIST]Revolution” right here in America.
OBAMA IS A MARXIST. MARXIST RALLIES HISTORICALLY HAVE BEEN HUGE
(LOTS OF MORONS ATTEND THEM)

Senator Obama will be raising the taxes for those making over $250 thousand until it is returned to the equivalent rate of that noted and dreaded Socialist, Ronald Regan! Republicans need to get serious! This is not a radical change and is beneficial to those who are currently bearing the brunt of the tax burden as supported by numerous independent scholars. Take the time to learn the facts.

Bravo, indevotoer!!

I can not believe the American public is so naieve. If you tax a corporation more, the corporation will simply pass the cost to the end user. If you tax a corporation more, the shareholders are hurt. Who are the shareholders? You are! Just look at your IRA or 401k. What do you own? Exxon, IBM, CocaCola. That’s right folks. Tax the corporations more. That way the oil companies will not produce more. That way your car will cost more. That way your retirement plan will not grow.
It is welfare when you GIVE free money to those who do not pay any INCOME TAX at all. That is 35-40% of all tax return filers.
Yeah, let’s tax the rich some more. Let’s squeeze them ’til they bleed. Then when they no longer hire people, no longer create jobs, quit starting new businesses, you can all stand in the unemployment line together.
How many jobs have you had working for a poor person?

Natasha
Let’s follow this logic: Obama has huge rallies. Marxists have been known to have huge rallies. Therefore, Obama is a Marxist.
Um, I think you missed a couple steps there. Maybe you should take that logic class over again.

– It reminds me a Fidel/Raoul Castro rally! … (LOTS OF MORONS ATTEND THEM) –
Guess so.. it appears you did!

Concerned American – you can cite a few oddball cases all you want. Most of the corporations in this country that hire (and provide the livelihood for all of us) do not fall into these scenarios. You do realize that the upper 5% of the individual taxpayers already pay 65% of the income taxes in this country, don’t you? And don’t jump down my throat – we fall in the middle class.

HIS TAXES ARE NOT WELFARAE?
YEAH, OBAMA, THE SNAKE OIL SALESMAN, RAP ARTIST… THE ONE..
THIS GUY HAS LIED SO MUCH HE IS BEGINNING TO BELIEVE HIS OWN LIES
WHO WAS WHISPERING TO JOE THE PLUMBER ABOUT “SREADING THE WEALTH”
THAT WAS THE REAL OBAMA.
AMERICA MAY BE AT ITS LAST DAYS IF OBAMA WINS.. ANOTHER SUPERPOWER WILL RISE.. IF ITS EUROPE, WE ARE LUCKY
IF MUSLIM TERRORSITS .. WE ARE DOOMED..
TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT AMERICA
IT MAY NEVER BE THE SAME AGAIN
YOU GOT 2 WEEKS TO ..

Natasha,
Senator McCain made a dozen tapes during his incarceration in North Vietnam. They all denounced the USA. I would no more want to delve into his horrifying time as a POW than I would into Senator Obama’s teenage drug experimentation. That was then, this is now. The now, unfortunately for Senator McCain, has passed him by. He should have been running against Al Gore in 2000, rather than fighting GWB and his hatchetmen. So be it. Senator Obama has the stronger gift of leadership — steadier, deeper and more nuanced. Forget passing some idiotic security test — I want somebody who will be taken seriously by world leaders … not just some DEA/FBI/DHS pass-along!

CPA
So, your alternative is that we should all eagerly give our money to the wealthy, in hopes that they might allow some of it to trickle back down to us. Really, then, it would be best if the wealthy paid no taxes at all, right? The middle-class should shoulder the ENTIRE tax burden, right?
Have you ever considered BALANCE?

– There are plenty of people like Joe at this time, people that are behind in taxes, mortgage payments, utilities, car payments and many other bills. And those are the same people that Obama and Bidden are parading around making fun of? –
Umm, in case you missed it, “Joe” (Sam) the plumber would get a bigger tax cut under Obama than under McCains tax plan.
Under McCain, you won’t see a tax cut unless you earn over $100K, which might be the average “Joe” on McCains street, but not around typical America.

wow–there sure is a lot of hate and ignorance on this abc sight. can’t do much about the hate…you people will just have to wallow in it, but I will pray for you–and maybe I can shed some light on your ignorance.
1. Don’t believe the fear-mongers that Obama is Marxist. Bush and Co. just ensured the biggest Marxist bailout of people on Wall Street who make tons more than all ya’ll. Obama is a capitalist–make no mistake–but our current tax structure allows for too many loopholes for the rich and not enough for the hardworking poor. He just wants taxes distributed more equitably. Instead of believing hate groups’fear-mongering robo-calls, read economic analysts’ plans and watch the right-leaning mainstream media…they always have folks on to explain how each candidates’ plan will affect real taxpayers.
2. deregulation helps no one…now it’s suddenly convenient that McCain is a deregulator? Don’t believe it. The only one he listens to is Gramm, who is the granddaddy of all federal deregulation. Hmmmm….remember Enron? A product of deregulation. When our utilities were deregulated, did your power bill go down? When telecom and media were deregulated, did your phone bills, your cable bills go down? Deregulation allowed Wall Street to invest in shadow securities and derivatives that will all come tumbling down soon, worse than what has already happened.
3. Because someone wants sane, sensible deregulation, does not mean they are a marxist. It only means that they want our growth to occur at a sensible and controlled rate. Obama’s plans will work for you, and it saddens me to think that you are so blinded by right-wing haters that you don’t see it.
Your hate-filled, name -calling only reflects poorly on you. It makes me sad to see what has happened to our once thoughtful, Christian nation. That is why I am voting for Obama. He has not lied, like McCain and Palin over and over again, and has demonstrated an ethical, Christ-centered wisdom that would serve our country well in the coming tough years.

As president, Obama is likely to greatly increase government funding to his favorite grass root organization ACORN, which is notorious for recent voter registration fraud as well as forcing the banks to comply with the Community reinvestment Act to lend subprime mortgage to low income residents.

McCain has moved his campaign to finally focus on the economy however he is using the same tired old lines Republicans have been using since I was old enough to vote. He’s trying to say don’t vote for Obama, he will raise your taxes. He is trying to scare Americans that if they vote for Obama they will lose their jobs. Republican’s have been using that same line for at least the last 40 years in every local, state and federal race. He conveniently leaves out his real concern. All Obama plans to do is eliminate the tax break Bush gave to the rich that helped create the largest deficit in American history and give a tax break to the Americans that need it. The middle class are the engine to our economy, not the rich. If the middle class has money to spend the economy runs smoothly and ends up with a budget surplus. Bill Clinton proved it! Plumber Joe was a lie from start to finish! Oh and ALEX H – you’re a racist moron.

There’s a lot of wailing and gnashing of teeth over this ACORN nonsense. Look, it’s politics and life isn’t fair and you don’t always get your way. Even Al Gore figured that out in the end. Maybe go buy him a beer and comiserate.

Natasha
Let’s follow this logic: Obama has huge rallies. Marxists have been known to have huge rallies. Therefore, Obama is a Marxist.
Um, I think you missed a couple steps there. Maybe you should take that logic class over again.
Posted by: jock59801
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Perhaps you should read all the comments posted about Barack Obama being a Marxist and not just the one that is a specific reply to a bloggers comment.
You just proved to be another blind sheep “adoring” the Marxist “Messiah Obama”.
As I said – the October Revolution happened because they were LOTS OF MORONS ADORING COMMUNIST SAVIORS OF THE POOR!
If you want a communist regime move to Cuba or North Korea.

Obama the magic negro is going to prison.
I’m Tony Rezko and I approve this message

Rezko – get off this board – we don’t have time for your crap.

– If you want a communist regime move to Cuba or North Korea. –
Or they can move in with you Natasha.. where in Russia do you live again?

Just goes to prove, you can take the boy out of the Ghetto but you can’t take the Ghetto out of the boy. Barry is a Fraud and always has been a FRAUD!!! America is finally waking up to this fact. Thank God!!!!!

Hey folks, in sociology we call those taxs cuts and government subsidies that benefit corporations and the wealthy- “Wealthfare.” Thought you might like to know. It’s a concept we have been familiar with for a long time in the social sciences. So if you want those type of policies to continue instead of supporting benefits for the largest social economic group in the U.S. (middle class) I guess you know then who’s your candidate. Fel free to use the phrase – it’s quite fitting. No more WEALTHFARE!

I think the St Louis rally is reminscent of all the people that turned out for Adolf Hilter. It’s heartbreaking to see America go down the tubes with this so-called “leader.”

Turns out Joe the plumber doesn’t have a plumbers license.
Turns out Joe isn’t even his real name…its Samuel.
Turns out Joe isnt rich like McSame said “Congratulations Joe Your Rich”
Joe only makes $40,000.00 a year. and would benefit under Obama.
Turns out Joes boss isn’t considering selling the business.
Turns out Joe bosses business only makes $100,000.00 a year…so would benefit under Obamas plan.
Turns out Joe doesn’t pay his income tax and has a lien filed agaisnt his house by the Lucas county Ohio courts.
Turns out Joe has recently lived in two other states…Alaska and Arizona.
Turns out Joe is just a repub / thug neocon nazi fascist racist plant….who would of thunk it….hahahaha
Gary Gelormino Seven Hills Ohio 44131 (216)447-0081

That’s exactly what I thought. As “ASMcClane” indicated in his comments, some hard-core republican nut who can’t even read properly what Obama has said about the tax-cuts and who still believes that trickle-down selfish and self-centered economics of Bushies (I and II) have taken over this comments section.
Guys (to my republican nuts), you need a basic knowledge of analytics and mathematics to understand Obama’s Financial and Tax Policy. Go get a simple calculator and trying doing simple maths for calculating taxes for folks making < 45K, <100K, 250K under both Obama and McCain plans. You would find that well over 95% of the people would pay way less in federal taxes than he or she pays now. Also, this idea that when you increase the capital gains tax or increase income tax for the upper income earners/corporations, businesses will move abroad is bull.
Finally, Obama has a solid team of Economic and Finance experts as part of his dream team (Summers, Rubin, Stieglitz, Laura Tyson, Volcker, etc.). McCain has some nuts as his economic advisers who can’t even bring out a coherent message on behalf of their candidate. So, you republican nuts (generally, I believe republicans’ IQ is less than what it should be for a normal adult), you can figure it out; which candidate can bring this country’s economy from doldrums it is currently in.

– Guess what Obots, your candidate was never vetted at all and has run the most corrupt campaign in history. –
Really? The why are former GOP supporters and allies starting to distance themselves from McCain and his campaign based on fear and ignorance? Even long time supporter Gov. Crist, who help McCain win the primaries is not campaigning for him.. Time Magazine recently said this about McCains campaign:
McCain’s lies have ranged from the annoying to the sleazy, and the problem is in both degree and kind. His campaign has been a ceaseless assault on his opponent’s character and policies, featuring a consistent—and witting—disdain for the truth. Even after 38 million Americans heard Obama say in his speech at the Democratic National Convention that he was open to offshore oil-drilling and building new nuclear-power plants, McCain flatly said in his acceptance speech that Obama opposed both. Normal political practice would be for McCain to say, “Obama says he’s ‘open to’ offshore drilling, but he’s always opposed it. How can we believe him?” This persistence in repeating demonstrably false charges is something new in presidential politics.
http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1842030,00.html

What happened under Bush and the Republicans?
Nationalized Banks
Record deficit
Biggest government expansion ever.
15 billion $ a month welfare program to Iraqis while our Americans starved.
Bush tells you how to spend your money, can’t gamble online but its ok to play powerball.
Families have no rights, government will make decision for you (terry schivo case)
plus, he’s reading your email and tapping your phone conversations without your knowledge.
many, many more……..
Bush is no conservative, republicans should be ashamed.

ryang: “Obama’s world green is purple and orange is brown – he thinks you can spin your way out of any fact.”
Love it!! What a world class description of Obama speak! LOL LOL

Obama will let our current tax cuts expire. Everyone earning $20,000 or more got a cut under those cuts from that “terrible” Bush.
Tell me you won’t see a tax increase under Obama when the current cuts expires. You can be assured of it. Clinton promised cuts in 1992 that never came. And Obama’s rebates won’t offset the loss of current tax cuts.

Nash_NJ says:
Finally, Obama has a solid team of Economic and Finance experts as part of his dream team (Summers, Rubin, Stieglitz, Laura Tyson, Volcker, etc.).
HE HAS BUFFET WHO IS BUYING UP ALL THE AMERICAN STOCK WHILE WE THE POOR SUCKERS HAVE TO BAIL OUT PEOPLE LIKE HIM. GET REAL YOU MORON. GREEDY, EGOMANICAL PEOPLE ARE ALL OBAMA WORKS WITH THEN WHEN THE TRUTH COMES OUT OOPS HE MOVES ON. DROPPED REV WRIGHT, REZKO, AYERS, RAINES ETC ETC ETC..
A PATTERN HUH?????

– Do you know that the US corporate tax rate is the second highest in the industrial world? –
And yet corporations in the US pay the least towards federal taxes than any other country in the world. Funny how those loopholes work, isn’t it!

McCAIN wants to follow the BUSH Policy to privatize Social Security. Can you imagine what it would be like if Social Security was invested in Wall Street, which is what McCAIN says he will do.
WOW! This is beyond stupid! And it is not CONSERVATIVE. BUSH is the most fiscally irresponsible president in recent history and now McCAIN wants to follow in his foot steps.

– You are as NAIVE as That One, if you think that ALL US Senators have TS Clearance to the level required to work for “highly sensitive positions” at the NSA, CIA, DEA, etc. –
Nope, not all.. but those who sit on the US Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs committee do :)
Wouldn’t want an ‘insecure’ person knowing all about our security now, would we?

Obama Couldn’t Be Cleared
10.17.08
By George H. Wittman
The lowest-ranking enlisted persons in the Armed Forces of the United States who are expected to handle sensitive matters in the scores of jobs involving classified equipment or written material must be investigated before obtaining their security clearance. Could Barack Obama gain such a clearance?
To begin, the clearance applicant would have to complete a detailed personal history form that includes, if necessary, government access to all health and education files. This is the starting point of all security investigations. Top Secret clearance involves a field investigation rather than the Secret version that is usually limited to a “name check” that is a basic police and public information file review. For the TS clearance an investigator will visit the home neighborhoods and work place sites of the applicant in search of supportive and/or derogatory references.
If the clearance is extended further into the handling of information of such importance that it requires a compartmented distribution, the field and document investigation is pursued with considerable vigor over a lengthy period of time. Nuclear and other sensitive technical or political matters fall into this category.
In all cases, whether on the lower level or up to the most sensitive intelligence, the background of the applicant’s personal and business involvement forms the nucleus of the initial phase of the investigation. The people with whom the applicant associates lead the investigator to personal connections and matters relative to the individual’s character, beliefs and past acts appropriate to matters of security.
Eligibility for clearance at all levels is directly influenced by the people with whom one associates. Yes, who your friends are and have been does count — a great deal. This is true, of course, in many types of police investigations where suspicion is adequate reason for further inquiry. In matters of security clearance, past associations often can mean the end of the process rather than just the beginning.
Considering Barack Obama as a candidate for a top secret security clearance status with a full array of compartmented clearances, one has to be cognizant of the fact that there is considerable evidence of associations and even assistance from individuals with past criminal records or who have expressed anti-American beliefs. Obviously admitted domestic terrorists William Ayers and his wife Bernadine Dohrn, as well as recently convicted felon, Antoin “Tony” Rezko, fall into this category.
There is no possibility that a Top Secret clearance would be awarded to a member of the Armed Forces whose background included such associations. An intelligence service clearance for the handling of highly classified material would be totally out of the question.
IF THERE IS SOME hesitancy to accept that Barack Obama’s associations would have precluded his obtaining a TS clearance with compartmented information access, it should be realized he would have had to pass both a polygraph test and a personal psychological evaluation. What are the chances of his being willing to take these tests, to say nothing of his passing, in light of his refusal even to make his educational records available?
It may be deemed unfair, but a child of an American mother and a foreign-born non-U.S. citizen father always receives additional scrutiny. So does the fact that questions have arisen concerning the source of funding for Obama’s law school education. According to a well-researched article by Kenneth Timmerman (Newsmax), Obama was assisted financially by Khalid al-Mansour through the latter’s rich Saudi contacts. Mansour has been referred to as a “Black Nationalist and a Black Muslim” who was a mentor to the founders of the radical Black Panther Party of the 1960s.
All of these matters would have arisen in a normal security clearance. The harsh truth is that the United States is willing to accept presidential candidates like Barack H. Obama who could never gain a Top Secret clearance if he was simply a U.S. Army enlisted man. And yet Obama wants to be Commander-in-Chief. Something is wrong here!
The American Spectator
http://www.spectator.org/archives/2008/10/17/obama-couldnt-be-cleared

More of the same coming from the PALIN/McCAIN LIE MACHINE.
The Republican side is getting really scary… just read the Post’s coverage of Palin’s rally in Florida (Dana Milbank’s column) for proof. Why are so many Americans so stupid, so sheep-like that they believe being a brave POW is a qualification for President? Why can’t they see that Palin is Bush with a pretty facade (and probably worse)?
I have nothing against what I call “old-style conservatives” (what Republicans used to be, pre-neo-con), I even agree with a few (very few) of their policies, but the neo-fascists are truly frightening. If the United States chooses these people and – even worse – if Ms. Palin becomes President, the country is lost.

All the republicans here in the blog must be either very rich or very stupid. I do not make $250,000 a year. I can afford to live comfortably with my income that is about 1/4 of 250,000. If anyone says that a person earning $250,000 or more cannot afford to pay taxes they must definitely be out of their minds. I am not a saint but I would never oppose anyone who has a program to help the weak, sick and poor. Remember, not everyone is poor because they are lazy. Some are just unfortunate. Have some empathy towards the helpless!

Following are excerpts from a public address delivered by Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi marking the anniversary of the U.S. air raid on Libya. The address aired on Al-Jazeera TV on June 11, 2008:
“Libyan Leader Mu’ammar Al-Qadhafi: Obama Suffers Inferiority Complex That Might Make Him Behave “Whiter Than the White.” He Should Be Proud of His African, Muslim Identity. Ben-Gurion Gave the Green Light for the Killing of JFK ….”
TEXT (Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008)
http://www.memritv.org/clip_transcript/en/1791.htm
VIDEO – Qadhafi: Obama is a Muslim – Qadhafi’s Public Address – June 11, 2008
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/gaddafi-obama-is-a-muslim/2563816338/?icid=VIDURVNWS07

ARE YOU INSANE MCCAIN MUTINY?
WHAT PRAY TELL QUALIFIES OBAMA? HIS PERSONAL CONTACT REFERENCES ON HIS RESUME? OH SORRY I FORGOT, HIS ASSOCIATIONS THAT HE LONGER HAS!

Natasha
It is interesting that you think everyone who disagrees with you is naive or moronic. I guess that helps you feel all superior, and prevents you from ever having to question your OWN views.
You can listen to all of the FBI agents you want. I will listen to the American people as we give Obama the highest security clearance as President of the United States.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
Interesting story in the Rolling Stone

Natasha
And when did Qadhafi’s words become TRUTH? I seem to have missed that apotheosis.

I would like to know what others feel about the fact that Sarah Palin is a member of the Alaskan Independence Party this to me is VERY TROUBLING that group she is as of 2008 a member of is a ANTI AMERICAN GROUP that wonts nothing to With the Great USA and how we do things. Why is she running for VP. Would this be an ISSUE for Homeland Security???

Jason – wrong – neither rich (well below the $250k) nor stupid. But I do hold three majors in Accounting, Finance and Business Management and a minor in Economics (earned as an adult with three kids) and understand causes and effects. We have gone through some tough times, but we made it without whining or asking for anything. I also gladly give to causes of my choosing that benefit those who are in need.

THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IDEAOLOGY HAS BEEN THE “TRICKLE DOWN EFFECTS”!!!!
YEA!!! REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT JUST TRICKLE DOWN $700 BILLION DOLLARS ON THE AMERCIAN PEOPLE!!!
THERE IS NO MIDDLE CLASS!!!
JUST THE POOR AND THE RICH!!!!
THERE HAVE BEEN OVER 700,000 JOBS LOST THIS YEAR DUE TO BUSH, REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT!!!!
AND MORE TO COME!!!!
THE GREAT DEPRESSION IS HERE!!!!!
NOW, THERE ARE THOSE REPUBLICANS THAT ARE TOTAL AGAINST HELPING THE POOR SINCE THEY ARE ALREADY POOR!!!!!
LET ME REPEAT!!! NO MORE MIDDLE CLASS!!!
THE REPUBLICAN GOV’T MADE YOU AND EVERYONE ELSE POOR!!!!
KEEP SUPPORTING THE RICH AND THAT STUPID IDEAOLOGY, “TRICKLE DOWN EFFECT”, HOPING THAT SOME HOW YOU WILL BECOME RICH!!!!
REPUBLICAN PARTY = DUMB LEADING THE DUMB!!
LOL!!!!
NOV. 4TH = OBAMA/BIDEN08

The Obama “Welfare State” will scare any voter away that works for a living; it will draw the “freeloaders” who want others to support them. Conclusion: Obama loses on Nov 4th — he can’t hide the biggest slipup he made in the camapign about redistributing the wealth to a hard working guy now known as “Joe the Plummer”

McCain wants to tax our health care benefits for the first time in history. I like my employer health care plan (which incidentally costs more than $5,000 but does not include “hair transplants”) and I would hate to lose it. The Chamber of Commerce estimated this new tax would cause 20 million people to lose their employer based health care. Sounds like a great plan…

– How do you figure everyone who works pays taxes? Income taxes? Sorry, that is not true –
Everyone who works pays federal income taxes, unless your taxable income falls below $5.

jason: “If anyone says that a person earning $250,000 or more cannot afford to pay taxes they must definitely be out of their minds. I am not a saint but I would never oppose anyone who has a program to help the weak, sick and poor. Remember, not everyone is poor because they are lazy. Some are just unfortunate. Have some empathy towards the helpless!”
I agree with you, Jason. And there are many, many programs to help the weak, sick, and poor. I agree that not every poor person is lazy.
The thing is this: Obama is not recommending ‘programs’. He is recommending TAKING money by force from some people and giving it to others, as he thinks it should be spent. That is a very big difference between the philosophy you spoke about, and his plan. Obama himself never gave more than 5% of his adjusted gross income to charity from the years 2001-2005, as compared with the McCains who gave in range of 19%-27% over those years. Sometimes actions tell alot about a person, and I have learned in my lifetime to pay attention to actions, not just words.

Obama has been called a Socialist, a Marxist, Muslim and…..
I am going to call him something else..a child of God. Natasha I am just waiting for your comment to this. Do you know how Obama is able to remain his composure, read this Psalms 27: 1-3.

I’m so sick of the Obamites using color, frigging color of one’s skin. Who the hell cares if he’s pink, blue or green with yellow spots. I DON’T FRIGGING CARE. It’s his socialist methodologies and policies. STOP USING THE FRIGGIN RACE CARD, I’M SICK OF IT!

Everyone reading this site who still supports Obama needs to catch up and fast. Please go to GretaWire, No Quarter, Fox News, Texas Darlin, Savage Politics, National Review Online, American Thinker for news which you are being sheltered from. The mainstream media is way behind and is only starting to report things which those of us have researched have known for a year. You are being conned by the mainstream media and Obama. This is not a loony conspiracy theory. Please for the sake of our country’s future you need to find the facts out for yourself. Please don’t trust what you are being told on ABC New, CNN, CBS or MSNBC until you’ve verified it for yourself. Our way of life is at risk here folks!

This whole tax issue is another McCAIN smoke-n-mirrors political stunt.
Obama’s economic plan hasn’t changed since he posted it on his website many months ago.
McCAIN’s plan changes daily with the polls.
If Obama’s plan was bad it was bad from the beggining. And why didn’t McCAIN jump on it then? Because McCAIN doesn’t know enough to have an opinion.
McCAIN’s economic plan is Bush’s plan. So how has that worked so far.
McCAIN’s housing buyout proposal is Hillary Clinton’s proposal, by McCAIN’s admission. And the plan is SOCIALIST.
Most independent economists think both McCAIN and Obama’s plans have holes, but these same economists favor Obama’s plan. This includes a great many conservatives.
McCAIN by his own admission understands nothing about economics. Google McCAIN economics and you will probably get dozens of footage with him stating just that.
At the same time that McCAIN was saying “the fundamentals of the economy are strong”, Obama was warning of the impending problems and low and behold the bailout.

– The thing is this: Obama is not recommending ‘programs’. He is recommending TAKING money by force from some people and giving it to others –
Government already takes money bo ‘force’.. it’s called taxes. And those taxes are used to pay for government spending. Pretty simple concept.
Just like your checking account, the less you put in, the less you can spend. If you want to increase spending, like on unprovoked attacks on foreign countries that costs $10 billion a month, you need to put more money into the account.
Is you checking account overdrawn as well?

How will the inside of the White House look and who will “President-elect Obama” bring into the Executive Office? What is the story that his Master’s Thesis has been deleted from the university’s web site? If this is true, the deletions might give a clue. Can ABC get a copy and release its contents to the public?

– You are still NAIVE to the degree that you think that after the fiasco of 9/11 many of those Senators would not still have access to “top secret” unless they submitt to renewed TS clearance checks”… –
Well, Obama is still on the Committee.. what does that do to your tenuous theory?

MCSAME DOES NOT CARE ABOUT TAXES-THE REPULICANS ALWAYS RAISE TAXES BUT IN A DECEITFUL WAY–THEY START WARS THAT COST TAXPAYERS BILLIONS- AND AFTER THEY HAVE BANKRUPTED THE COUNTRY- AND PUT US IN A DEPRESSION- THEY THEN SAY”COUNTRY FIRST” AND START A NEW WAR WITH RUSSIA OR SOME OTHER COUNTRY SO THEY CAN STEAL OUR MONEY AGAIN. THEY GIVE HUGE TAX CUTS TO THE RICH BUT GIVE THE MIDDLE CLASS NOTHING. NOW OUR JOBS ARE GONE AND OUR HOMES ARE IN FORCLOSURE-BUT NOT TO WORRY THE ELITIST RICH-THE HAVE THE BACKING OF BUSCH AND MCSAME. THEY ONLY LIKE WELFARE FOR THE RICH.

Obama is proposing to let the Bush tax cuts expire as the GOP congress passe din 2001. McCain opposed this plan as being fiscally irresponsible and a giveway. obama then proposes additional tax cuts to those under 250K. many of the folks under 250K did nto see anything in 2001.
Somehow that fact that the top 5% have been the only socioeconomic group to have real income gains during the past 8 years, they woudl seem to have benefitted, much like the Corporate Robber Barrons have done, by the $5 TRILLION plus in additional debt and record deficit spending the past 8 years. They shoudl help to retire the debt more quickly than others groups since they received a disproportinate share of the government handouts the past 8 years.

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I am voting for McCatn the devil I do Know.
From the Detroit Free Press, reporting on new allegations of ACORN fraud in Michigan:
“He didn’t mention reports that his campaign had given $800,000 to Citizens Services Inc. — an ACORN subsidiary — this year. His campaign said today that the money was paid as part of a get-out-the-vote effort — not voter registration — during the primary season. ACORN’s political action committee has endorsed Obama.”
$800 THOUSAND DOLLARS for get out the vote efforts during the primary season?? Hmmm . . . maybe that’s what paid for all those buses into Iowa during the caucus, all the lawyers and agitators in Texas during the caucus. More than three quarters of a million dollars for gaming the caucuses and fraud? It would be irresponsible NOT to speculate.

100,000 in St. Louis!
let’s see McSame and Caribou Barbie draw that kind of crowd!

TheLastVoter
Yes, when I want a clue to someone’s thinking, I always go first to things they wrote 25 years ago. LOL
I’d hate to even admit to some of the stuff I wrote in college.

Man, the guy can lie, I’ll give him that.

Janet Hughes
You know very well Obama did no such thing. Man, you people are really over the limit, sometimes.

Senator Obama’s Supporters: You have a young inexperienced candidate who slipped up on the campaign trail and wants to redistribute the wealth. Is there any American who supports the idea of redistributing the wealth that is actually working at least 40 hours per week?

When Republicans get in the White House, the economy tanks, the deficit skyrockets, and the gap between rich and poor widens. George Bush Sr. got bounced out of office because of a massive recession (“It’s the economy, stupid!”). When it comes to mismanaging the economy, Junior George has now exceeded dear ol’ dad by light years. The GOP has always been the party of big business and the wealthy; that’s their number one constituency. If you’re in the middle class or are poor, you’d be voting against your own economic self-interest by voting for McCain. “Actions speak louder than words, but results speak loudest of all”: Just look at what has happened to the economy during the Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. terms of office.

100,000 beat that!! change is coming!!.
Some people are so stupid and psychotic that they will actually vote for John Mccain, against their own economic interest!! These Jerkoffs! voted for George Bush and what did we get in return? A weak america with Iran building a nuclear bomb right in our face – you bozo’s are so stupidly dumb you couldn’t even learn from your dumb mistake! What am I thinking? thats why you are dumb!! vote for Mccain/palin and see if I care. Maybe after we sell alaska back to the russians to repay our debt, maybe you’ll learn.
And like my dad used to say: You can train an animal to do great tricks and things, but with a dumb fool there is absolutely no hope

By the senator McCain’s and his unqualified v.p.’slogic, america is already a socialist country because people are paying taxes, some higher than others. what a twisted logic? And it is strnage that the senator’s camp considers “Joe,” an individual making above a quarter of a million, the common American in tems of income. This is an insult to the intelligence of Americans. I think this time the people are quite determined to make the right decision to make sound judgment on all the issues that affect them: the economy, national security, education, and health. On all these issues the Obama-biden team has demonstrated a far better grasp of the issues.

they were calling Obama a Marxist on the McGlauflin Report last night, even close associates of Obama say he is a Marxist..He will be defeated, he will not get the chance to destroy America
Posted by: common sense
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Yes, indeed! Marxist Obama will destroy America… We will never allow America to become the land of “New Communist Experiment”. American Union (as in Soviet Unison) our land will never be.
Obama can take his “Ayers & Co. community organizing” experience and go to Russia… to organize some Siberian Gulags!
This presentation is a must watch for the left-wing-liberal media clowns and all “morally sound” American fellows.
A VIDEO PORTRAIT OF BARAK HUSSEIN OBAMA
http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?RsrcID=2036
AMERICA THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE

– Is there any American who supports the idea of redistributing the wealth that is actually working at least 40 hours per week? –
Yup! Most are tired of ‘redistributing’ it to the rich and getting nothing in return. Trickle down has never worked, and continuing to try it over and over again expecting different results is not something most intelligent people call a good idea.

CPA – It is really unfortunate that many Americans don’t understand that our current tax structure allows for persons to earn income but then receive all the money that they did pay in, plus additional credit money beyond that. Under Obama’s plan, these credits will increase and effectively redistribute the wealth in this country.

– He voted against the “born alive act” which is to give medical help to a baby expelled from the womb, survived the acid burning but left to die alone. OBAMA VOTED AGAINST THAT ACT!!! –
Unfortunately, it is the uninformed like you that will be the demise of this great country. That one is even covered on snopes.. get a grip!

Hello Viva France — Thanks to America a lot of decent Europeans presently live in freedom. Right now, America is in danger of becoming a socialistic, perhaps Marxist, state. It looks as if France and Europe will no longer be able to depend on America if Senator Obama gets elected, because most of our rich people will have moved to Europe and France to enjoy your fine restaurants. Unfortunately, the ones left behind, including the Middle Class will be working to support our free-loaders. Oh goodness. This won’t happen after all. I just woke up and it is Nov 5th. McCain won!!

Don’t you just love the Obama commercial where he says he used to ‘watch with his grandfather and would wave his little flag?” Barf.
He may have waved a little flag when he was a kid, but it was probably not an American flag. Otherwise, why would he have had such a tough time back in the beginning of the campaign puttting on a flag lapel pin???????????
He still will not mention his father.
Does he know who his father is? Does he know where he is? Why doesn’t he mention him? What dirt is he hiding there? So what if he was born a bastard? That’s the least of Obama’s sins.

I think ABC needs to moderate a lot of these comments. The Republicans spewing bile on here ought to be ashamed of themselves.

jock59801-
I have no problem with helping those who need help. We have the most charitable country in the world. What I do have a problem with is the idea of TAKING it from those who do well. We should be doing all we can to increase productivity in this country so that tax revenues increase and that gives us MORE money for important programs. Taxing those who make the most reduces the incentive to make more and to expand business. Making the pie bigger should be the goal instead of keeping it the same size and slicing it into smaller pieces.

I wish that Gov. SARAH PALIN was running for PRES. She would WIN, WIN, Anyway when you wake up and she is in the WHITEHOUSE we will sing a new SONG. DRILL HERE, DRILL NOW. and it will quickly reduce the price of oil because we will be using NATURAL GAS. Can’t Big O figure that one out. We won’t need the ARABS and they won’t get our MONEY. It will solve the ENERGY CRISIS over night TOO !!!SHE DID IT IN ALASKA.
Posted by: Les Bergman | Oct 18, 2008 5:55:26 PM
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Cut down on the meds. Alaska oil production is on the decline and two major oil companies have pulled out. If we drilled our hearts out of all coasts and alaska it would amount to about 2-3% of the worlds oil supplies and wouldn’t drop the price of oil a dime.

He may have waved a little flag when he was a kid, but it was probably not an American flag. Otherwise, why would he have had such a tough time back in the beginning of the campaign puttting on a flag lapel pin???????????
Posted by: LibsdeserveLiarBO | Oct 18, 2008 5:56:23 PM
Now *that* is a stupid argument to make. I’m actually shocked you would make such a stupid, stupid argument.
Okay, you asked for it.
John McCain did not wear a flag pin during the 2nd or 3rd debate.
So, there you go, moron.

John McCain’s wife just filed her 2007 income tax return. $4 million plus. What can I say. Need I say anything more why John Mccain is SO OUT OF TOUCH WITH THE MIDDLE CLASS IN AMERICA?

Neither McCain nor Palin are qualified to deal with the current situation, nor have they done any attempts to surround themselves with people that might be. Paul Volcker (Reagan’s Federal Reserve Chariman) is behind Obama. Chosing McCain/Palin would be collective suicide.

We’ll never get osama bin laden if BO is elected. Do you really think BO would go after his own half-brother?

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/
CHECK OUT MICHELLE’S MENU. NONE OF YOU SUCKERS THAT ARE GOING VOTE FOR THESE TWO FRAUDS ARE EVER GONNA BE ABLE TO ORDER THIS!

ALEX H: Your H is for HATEFUL.
Be very afraid of AMERICA becoming great again!
Be very afraid of EQULITY!
BE very afraid of the ugliness of YOUR racism being seen by the world!
Be VERY afraid of Barack’s being the most LOVED POTUS EVER!

Obama has done the math carefully. McCain is right now promoting Obama’s brilliant plan! From the begining, I have seen McCain doing all kind of things that helps Obama – sometimes I suspect he is deliberately trying to lose for some reason.

Isn’t this redistribution of wealth that got us into the loan crisis?

I found this article from another paper! its well articulated!!
I wonder what life would be like today if McCain were president during the Iranian (oops…Cuban) missile crisis, with all the hawks screaming “Invade now!”, unaware of the island’s tactical nukes. Thankfully, a cool JFK was instead on watch. I do not fault McCain for voting to attack Iraq. Attack is what hawks do. Avoiding war in the first place is a (competent) president’s job, and something that Obama would have done.
I do not fault Obama for voting against the surge. He is not a military man, and would be no more good at advising the nuts and bolts of conflict than a hawk like McCain could in avoiding such conflict in the first place. I expect the executive to keep us out, like Obama would have, not run the ground war.
McCain said in the debates that he would fight in Iraq for the honor of the service persons who have died there, so their deaths are not in vain. He is wrong. There is no way to die in vain in service to America. Military action sends a clear message to anyone wanting to steal America’s freedom to think again, regardless of the overall military success of the conflict.
McCain’s doctrine of no deaths un-avenged is nonsense, otherwise we would reinvade the Korean peninsula and reengage in Indochina. This doctrine of his is a recipe for future, more protracted wars.
McCain also believes only the top 5% can create jobs, and tax cuts to these people will take care of the apparently unwashed 95% of Americans. This is a failed notion. Those 5% at one time were among the 95%. A break for the middle class would engage a huge number of Americans, innovative, creative Americans, not to mention increase consumer spending.
McCain also wants to put us on a collision course with Russia by rushing former satellites into NATO. This is reckless; all things have their moment and now is not the moment to be pushing the Russians further. Our own Secretary of State mentioned this last month, saying we have been ignorant of Russia’s perspective. Hawks, by their nature, always think the time is NOW, just like McCain running off to Washington instead of the debates.
John McCain’s impulsive manor was on full display during the last debate, with the simpleton cure to spending by just freezing and vetoing everything. This is again his narrow-minded focus, devoid of the bigger picture.
Obama, on the other hand, wants measured cuts based upon our morals and needs. A McCain weight loss program would be a feeding freeze; an Obama plan a healthy diet and exercise.
McCain believes we are not fostering a second cold war through our incompetent foreign policy. But then again, this is a man that didn’t even see the train wreck of the economy burning in front of him. Hawks like McCain, seeing only the target immediately in front of them, see only the small picture, usually in cross hairs. That’s what makes a great military man, and we need such magnificent individuals to carry out the will of the executive. But we do not need such individual as the executive.

jock59801 — Believe it or not, most Leopards do not change their spots with age. The behavior of a young adult, as most liberals have already pointed out regarding President Bush, is in fact a clue to one’s potential conduct later in life. And, to be fair, so I am not accused of jumping on a Republican, we also learned that about President Clinton…didn’t we?

Angella – Obama made $4.2 million in 2007 and only gave 5% to charity. The McCains gave 17%. Who is out of touch?

The Conservatives are started to sound like they belong in the crazy house with their fear talk and welfare talk. Obama just explained it. Mc Cain is fighting for the wealthy to give them a welfare package that supports them and not the average Joe the plummer. This is good VS evil and Mc Cain is on the bad side with the racist, lobbyists, hate mongerers, big oil companies, liars, Rove tacticians, dividers, deregulators, Bush policies, and taxes slanted to help the rich and give less to the poor and middle class. It is pure and simple good VS evil and Obama is on the good side. At least he went to a christian church for 20 years and never cheated on his wife. Mc Cain is the tax and spend liberal who gives your earnings to the top 10 percent in the world while making you pay higher taxes than Obama’s plan would to 95% of you.

serious53 – and Obama made $4.2 million and paid approximately the same amount in taxes. You do realize that McCain has give all his Senate salary increases to charity, don’t you?

Obama doesn’t even understand private business, or how they make money. Also, William Ayers is the true author of “Dreams of my Father.” Just compare it to Ayers’ books, or see Jack Cashill’s web page for the evidence.

THIS IS AMERICA – NOT CUBA – NOT NORTH KOREA – MOT VENEZOUELA – NOT LIBYA!
Posted by: Natasha
Natasha, this is the first sentence you’ve ever written on these boards that is based on fact.
Well done!

Barrack Hussein Obama is insane.
Our country is BANKRUPT but he’s going to hand out free money to people who have NO tax liability? How is he planning to fund this and all these socialist programs? By cutting income (taxes)!
Brilliant!!!
A vote for Obama is a vote for moral idiocy. He is BAD news.

Is there any Senator Obama supporter who is voting for him ONLY because of President Bush?

To Alex H., your comments are ignorant, racist and i am concerned about your mental state. It amazes me the kind of supporters “nazi” palin can inspire. How wonderful for our great nation. I am a supporter of obama and i do indeed pay taxes and both my husband and I are well-educated individuals, which is more than i can say for you. Now you call obama a drug-addict, the only drug-addict on either ticket is Mrs. McCain, i believe her preference was vicodon which she abused during her husbands keating-5 days. Palin is a wolf in sheeps clothing who only inspires the racist, ignorant crackers as yourself. Mr. McCrabby claims to want to help “americans”, which in republican terms means big business, he can’t even utter the term middle-class who prop up this society. Which one are you Alex H, are you middle class or just the racist class. I believe you would find it easier to live in China or Russia than in America. You sound obsessed with drug abusers, are you one? It sounds like you need help?
McCrabby plans to raise my taxes by taxing my husbands health insurance. NO Thanks. You rant about socialism, I believe mccrabby voted for the 700 billion dollar bailout, which includes the nationalization of the nations banks. I also see he wants to waste money by buying bad mortgages at face value. What a bad idea! He also wants to give everybody 5 grand to buy health insurance and then tax it. He wants to freeze government spending yet buy bad mortgages at face value and then send everyone 5000 dollars and continue spending 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq for the next 5-10 years. What a way to balance a budget moron. Now Mr. Alex H. your racist, ignorant, uninformed rant is perfect for the nazi like atmosphere the mccrabby campaign has fostered the last 2 weeks. They are hoping crackers like you go to the voting machine and vote, but since you are so completely stupid it will amaze me if you figure out how to work the machine.

I say we tax the hell out of those rich corporations then they can move all of their businesses to oversea and all those who have voted for Obama will stand on the welfare line and wait for his checks. By then I really want to know where he is going to get the tax revenue to pay for all these idiots who supported him if no one works to pay for the income tax revenue. Furthermore, his $900,000,000 spending within 2 years in the senate should be the red light for this country, he is a corrupted socialist 101 and if America is not going to wake up and stop this spending madness the idea of a free market will be destroy by these loonies so call DNC, Dean, Pelosi, Kerry, Reids…and the one and only OBAMA.

ABC News has learned that Warren Tompkins, one of the strategists of then-Gov. George W. Bush’s South Carolina campaign in 2000 — which Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., blamed for his family being slimed — is now a part of the McCain-Palin campaign team, albeit in an “unofficial” role.
The news of Tompkins being brought on board the McCain campaign brings to a total of three the number of GOP operatives McCain now is using despite the fact that he once held them responsible for the ugly campaign that contributed to his South Carolina primary defeat, a campaign in which McCain’s wife Cindy was attacked for her past addiction to painkillers, and the McCains’ adopted Bangladeshi daughter Bridget was targeted as his illegitimate black baby.
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WHERE’S THE POPCORN!!!!
I CALL THIS GETTING IN BED WITH YOUR ENEMIES!!!!
DESPERATION!!!!
LOL!!!
NOV. 4TH = OBAMA/BIDEN08

Obama has spent $188 million dollars on t.v. advertising according to today’s New york Times…. why isn’t this news?

Hey Libs!
You talk about the Conservatives being fearful…..Obama must have been pretty concerned himself to hire ACORN to do his dirty work. Granted, he won’t be challenged, because most are so in love with him, but I guarnantee you, if in fact anyone catches a vote from a dead person or a 7 year old, it will turn this election upside down.

If Obama gets elected many people will say “why bother” trying to make more money for my family if he is just going to steal it and use it to further his own agenda of “redistributing the wealth”. I just can’t believe that Democrats don’t see throught this man. He isn’t a liberal, he is a socialist. He has hoodwinked the democratic party.

You Jerkoffs still dont get it!! do you?
Obama’s redistribution of wealth simply means to make sure that the so called middle class can also get real access to wealth – and not being stuck with 2 jobs for their entire lives! .
But just like the mccain/palin you support they dont get it either!!.

I would doubt the welfare followers of Obama will create jobs. Obama will be their sugar-daddy and the other mentally challanged followers are clueless.
If you want a job, who do you ask, a welfare follower or a business or a company?
Get a job!!!

This is a must watch for all patriotic -morally sound American fellows.
A USA Military History (Tchaikovsky 1812 Overture)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6370539579217643597&hl=en
AMERICA DO NOT VOTE FOR MARXIST OBAMA!
AMERICA SAY NO TO OBAMA’S “US COMMUNIST EXPERIMENT”

Bush’s tax cuts enacted in 2002 favored the rich over the middle class and essentially redistributed the wealth to the top 1%. How come the conservative Republicans didn’t object to this spreading the wealth from the poor to the rich. Its called trickle down economics and we have just had 8 years of that policy. And quess what-McCain represents 4 more years of the same economic policies of Bush!!We need a change that helps the middle class NOW!

No ON McCain – Perhaps you should come on up to a traditional democratic county in MN – there are very few signs on the Presidential election (and those that are here are evenly split) but tons of signs for the local elections.
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | Oct 18, 2008 6:24:49 PM
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No Thanks. Maybe in the summer for some fishing. Obviously I haven’t been in every county in the nation, nor have you. Obama will probably win Minnesota, but that’s not one of the nine traditional battleground states I was talking about.

i will stick with the young educated and intelligent guy—–and the lieing old geser cas go to –h

I’m not convinced that Obama is someone I would want to have as my president. But I just have to say I resent the comments by one idiot commenting here. People in college are not pukes that make no money and flipping hamburgers has to happen by someone.
I work 7 days per week, 24 hours per day. I’ve changed more than 200,000 diapers in my lifetime so others can climb up the corporate America. But you know what? I don’t get raises or make meaningful income. But I have a meaningful job. I can’t send my daughters to school. My daughters are working their way through. When my daughters have a hard time I’m lucky if I can help them with a few dollars, gas money etc. So I’m not totally against these refundable tax credits!
Everyone that spends money in this country pays taxes for everything they buy. We pay so many taxes that the average person is drowning in them.
Grow up and think about someone besides just yourself!

Natasha
Will you explain how you get “communist” out of a plan to return tax rates to the booming capitalist days of the 1990s?

the only ones worried about paying more taxes are people like mccain who make 5 million a year—-how many of you out there net over 250 thousand a year—ha ha ha ha -you guys are crazy and argue over nonsense or the mccain lies.

Trickle down economics is the policy ny Bush if I am not mistaken and what has happened during this time REPUBLICANS? AND what does Mc Cain want to do more of at a higher level HMM???? What do you think will happen to our country already in bancruptcy practicing a policy at a higher level that has already proven to BANCRUPT it? Anyone care to answer this little tidbit? How if it didnt work and you do more of it is it gonna all the sudden reverse? Has it gotten through that little mellon Republicans???

indevoter – so, because someone dared to ask Obama about his plan he is being crucified by the media and the likes of you? Sounds like he is a struggling American who would like to get ahead just like the rest of us and he was trying to clarify something with Obama’s plan. And since when can someone not go by their middle name rather than their first name?
Posted by: wanttheelectionover | Oct 18, 2008 6:29:41 PM
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I’m not crucifying “Joe The Plumber”, but if McCAIN is going to use him then he comes worts and all. I’m just glad I didn’t make up some stupid fictitious story about buying a business that’s not for sale and that I couldn’t afford if it were for sale.
My response was when some far-right-wing-nut said that Joe The Plumber was going to win the election for McCAIN.
If McCAIN wins it won’t be because of one “plumber”. In fact, I think most unions (plumbers included) favor Obama.

250 billion just went to the wealtyist and you are concerned if some of the poorist get something—–what a bunch of sleezy repubs.

REPUBLICANS, IN 17 DAYS YOU WILL BE OUT OF TIME!!!!!
LOL!!!
NOV. 4TH = OBAMA/BIDEN08

to union people the so called plumber is known as a SCAB

“Obama gets his ideas from Carl Marx. If elected, he would be the first Marxist President of the “American Union” (like in Soviet Union).”…Another proxy for Palin.

indevoter – But you are trying to justify your smearing of Joe. This man does not deserve it – he is not perfect, but this smear campaign against a private citizen is ridiculous. Joe won’t win it for McCain – Obama’s response to Joe could tip the tide. Although the unions may traditionally support the Democratic ticket, not all members vote that way. Could you answer this question for me? If the Democratic Party is so pro-union, why are they supporting the open vote for unionization?

You McCainiacs can twist and distort all you like. There were ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE listening to Obama today. ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND IN A RED STATE. McCain and Palin must be shaking in their boots. That is, if their campaign advisors are allowing them to watch the news today (that’s who I want leading the country, people so fragile they can’t watch the news without becoming depressed.
I CAN’T WAIT TO VOTE FOR OBAMA IN TEXAS ON MONDAY–THE FIRST DAY OF EARLY VOTING!!!!!!

MICHELLE
QUIT WATCHING FOZ FREAKS AND FRIENDS.

Your days and numbered Republicans. The Democratic side knows this and indie side. That is why all of these false allegations mean nothing because everyone can see them for what they are. People like a real Joe like me who served in Iraq a GI Joe will call you out on it. This last gasp is desperation to lie,.cheat, and steal an election off of misdeeds and not honor or valor. not even for the sake of other Americans or patriotism. Just FEAR. Because the loss is gonna be eminent so the lies are being spread and the desperate acts of hate at your rallies being displayed. It sounds like the EVIL side to me that you are on if you are a REpublican. The good citizens who believe in unity and prosperity for ALL will be on the GOOD side and that is how we know Obama/ Biden will win. By the way Bidens name happens to be JOE!

“Here’s a question for all the Republicans out there – how much money in stocks have you lost in the past few weeks?”
The main reason for the problems we are seeing with the stock market have to do with greed on behalf of CEOS are are split about 50/50 dem/repub. Should there be some sort of oversight, yes, there should be. But dems are right up there in Washington as well, and the last 2 years I didn’t hear a peep let alone warning bells. They also wanted to be the first to rush right in and bail them all out, with few to no provisions. Then they have the audacity to point the finger at the repubs for the whole problem. Anyone with half a brain knows that the Dems share at LEAST 50% of the blame in this. The CEOs were drunk in money. That’s what happened. They proved that some oversight is necessary because they cannot be trusted.
It’s looking more and more like Obama has his own agenda and he’s pretending to be everything to everyone to get his foot in there. He has denied just about every tie to shady people that have been questioned. He has lied. Saul Alinsky influenced him greatly in college. I recently read Alinksy’s philosophy on ‘organizing’. Our country is primed for this type of ‘organizing’. Wiki him and check it out.

The first socialist from Missouri was Harry S. Truman, a Democrat and like Barack Hussein Obama, Truman had a middle name he never used. The S stood for Saddam if you follow the McCain theory of attack politics.

JIM
IS CARL MARX A COUSIN OF GROCHO

NATASHA–WHERE THE HELL IS BORIS—-YOU BADENOUGHS ARE SOMETHING.

ANOTHER JOE
DO YOU NET OVER 250 GRAND A YEAR

Obama is a serial liar.

gawd Michelle is one angry, ugly ass gorilla, dontca think jock?

RODNEY, DID YOU GET THAT JOB AT MCDONALDS?
GET THE HELL OUT OF YOUR MAMA’S BASEMENT.
QUIT MASTURBATING TO OBAMA’S POSTER ON THE WALL YOU FREAK!

January 20th is Inauguration day; January 19th is MLK’s birthday–WANT to bet the two will be tied together as some sort of final referendum on slavery and the black man’s subordination at the hands of whitey? I am guessing January 21nd, the house or senate will pass a slavery reparations bill. Racist? Don’t think so—keep your eyes and mind open, AND your mouth shut.

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THAT SOUNDS MORE LIKE YOU AND CROSS DRESSING MCCAIN—TALK TO JOE THE THREE INCH PLUMBER

Republicans if you dont like to redistribute the wealth then stop giving our money to the wealthy and let us keep a little more of it. Are you really defending the wealthy as your reason to call Obama a communits? Really? Defending the billionares and 250,000 dollar bracket of which most of us arent? Some never will be and with higher taxes than them under Mc Cain than Obama for the poor and middle class may never get to be. You are reall y using defend the rich and powerful from a 3% raise in taxes as unfair after windfall profits? What about the money the 250,000 dollar small business will save on Obamas healthcare plan? Doesnt that cover more of their employees at lower prices and save them more money than they are taxed? You see the error in your logic Republicans yet? No? Well get out a book and read a little. You may find that what Bush and Mc Cain are proposing is class warfare and created only two classes of wealth. The rich and the poor. No MIDDLE CLASS under Mc Cains plans!

oh hell Rodney, you ain’t got no money. It’s welfare, you hope for an Obammy win so you can get more free money from whitey.
you ain’t foolin no one you idiot.

John McCain can not beat Obama on the issues…So he try to destroy his Character like done to John Kerry. I hope America wakes up.
Obama/Biden 08

I am a Republican who is voting for Obama. I am sick of the tactics being used by a party I was once proud to be part of.

Here are Web definition for different “welfare”. This may help people to understand what it means. We do it all the time. People who are disadvantage are given a fair share or minimum level of support to maintain their federal defined acceptable quality of living. It is wrong only when people or corporate abuses the system.
From the webs, “Welfare” may refer to:
(1) Well-being, quality of lifestyle.
(2) Animal welfare, the quality of life of animals, and concerns.
(3) In economics: Social welfare provision, government programs that seek to provide a minimum level of income, service or other support for disadvantaged peoples.
(4) Welfare (financial aid), financial assistance paid by taxpayers to people who are unable to support themselves.
(5) Workfare, an alternative model requiring recipients to participate in work-rehabilitation programs.
(6)Corporate welfare, a pejorative describing a government’s bestowal of money grants, tax breaks, or other special favorable treatment on corporations.
(7) Welfare state, in which the state assumes primary responsibility for the welfare of its citizens beyond a minimum level.
(8) Welfare economics, determines allocative efficiency and the income distribution within an economy.

it makes me laugh at my inneocent hardcore republican frineds that we can’ seem to get an average job withought clearence from security agencies and obama is running for president and is a senator for God sake he must have been checked by all kinds of agencies including our media and if there was any thing factually wrong with his character he wouldn’t be running for president. grow up and have some common sense. that is the reason why our negative minded media/friends are trying to promote hate/fear among us republicans cause they don’t have no facts but useless information about obamas reputation.

Palin and McCAIN are serial Liars.
Palin “That report clearly showed I did nothing wrong”, refering to the report that said she “abused her power”, “I said no to that Bridge To Nowhere”.
And they call themselves “reformers”. Who are they going to reform pinnochio, I think he is more honest than they are.

When Palin or any of the McCain surrogates say that to vote for Obama is un-American, they show how un-American they themselves are. What kind of people are they they that they don’t believe in free speak. Oh, that’s right, they’re republican and they don’t believe in speech that doesn’t support them.

Mc Cains redistribution of wealth plans are scary. You might want start saving for the next Depression since he is carrying through with the trickle down economy plan that bancrupted us all. Now get ready for some real pain at the pump as he gives Exxon Mobile some more tax relief only to see them raise the prices some more like they have under similar ways Bush has handled it. Get ready for the real wolf in sheeps clothing his name is Mc Cain and you Deppression might start November 5th as he accepts the win. Vote Obama/Biden whose policies are not the policies of trickle down that have come close to ruining our economy please. The only other alternative is buying another house for the Saudi Princes out of your check for gas.

Texas Darlin has the signed receipt for Michelle’s Iranian Caviar, Lobster and Champagne snack. It totaled $447. Yep this is the way Socialist and Communist Dictators and Spouses live. It begins!

SARAH
I KNOW ALL ABOUT MCCAIN THE NORTH VIETNAMESE SONGBIRD

Guess what No on McCain….Nancy Pelosi is the one proposing another “stimulus package” for americans, not Repubs, but, I’m sure you get your information from what friends say.

Those of you mindlessly repeating McCain/Palin lies about Obama, should at least spend as much time looking into more information about the people you are voting for. You guys are like mindless idiots following them off a cliff.

I “betcha” all you McCain/Palin supporters don’t even understand the American tax system, do you? It is sad how uneducated you are. Let me give you some learning here:
In our system, you are taxed progressively. So, if you make over $250K, and we are under Obama’s tax plan, you only pay 39% on anything over 250K that you have AFTER your deductions, etc. So, if your bottom line is 275K, you will pay 39% on 25K (275K-250K = 25K), which ends up being $9,750. Under the current system, at 36%, you would pay 36% on 25K, which is $9000.
So, you will be paying an extra $750!!!! That’s it!! For every $25,000 above $250K, you pay an extra $750 — and you are calling Obama a socialist?
And not to get overly complicated for you, but for the money of your $275K, for example, under $150K, you will get taxed at a lower rate than it is currently.
Jeez, that is not so bad. It is what is was back with Clinton and Reagan. And you whine about that. Fiscally conservative my arse. It is about time we get back to pay as you go economics and taxes are a part of that. Obama is the only choice for a fiscally conservative president that does not want to borrow our country away from China.
So go home with all of your socialist talk and get some new talking points.
Good night and good luck! And please — GET EDUCATED!

I just returned from this rally. The crowd estimate of 100,000 is low – more like 200,000 were in attendance.
I have also attended the rallys held by Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin. I listen to what they are saying. I read their plans available on their campaign websites.
It really ceases to amaze me just how out-of-touch, not only John McCain is, but there are so many citizens who are also out-of-touch. How can the McCain campaign actually espouse that it is “welfare, or socialism” – and insinuate that we don’t pay taxes?
Every one of MY paychecks is reduced because of my federal and state taxes. And at the end of the year, some are entitled to a child-tax credit, or a single parent is entitled to a head-of-household tax credit, or one of the other tax credits that is available to the working citizen. Some of the same credits are available to the higher-income working citizens. When I pay $212 out of every paycheck for my part of my health insurance, at the end of the year I am entitled to use a credit to offset this amount, if it is available. So why, all of you working citizens, can you actually allow yourself to stand by and allow the McCain-Palin campaign to belittle you, and accuse you of being of the lower class, welfare society – when the credits are taken by so many of the conservatist Republicans, as well?
Do yourself a favor, citizens who are part of the establishment of “We, the people,” and do your own homework before believing what you only hear from the “stump speeches.”

Obama is the only person giving “straight talk”, McCain only has lies and double pek for anyone still willing to listen.

Obama, first president of the New World Order….you dems get super majority, you will have NO ONE LEFT TO BLAME BUT YOURSELVES WHEN THIS COUNTRY SLIDES DOWN THE CRAPPER! You won’t be able to blame Bush, Reagan, Lincoln, Washington, Columbus, or anyone else you would blame besides owning up to your mess. Enjoy living in Russia, I mean the New World Order.

how pathetic it sounds to an average independent person when someone is trying to promote hate/racism because they can’t win on issues you can ask me. cause i happen to be one of those independents who backed president bush for his policies and was emotionally attached with him. not no more. hell no. i ain’t stupid enough that means i am a bit but it is an easy calculation for me when i look at what has happened in the past 8 years i ain’t going to back similar if not exactly the same policies because some one is trying to put hate in my heart.

They need to stop fiddling with the tax code and CUT SPENDING so that the federal government doesn’t run a deficit.

The McCain campaign is seeking to clarify a remark reported from a Sarah Palin fundraiser in North Carolina yesterday in which the Alaska Governor declared that she loved to visit the “pro-America” areas of the country — implying, implicitly, that there were some parts of the United States she viewed as not pro-America.
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This woman maliciously and falsely slanders and debases the sacrifices of all of those brave young men and women who fought and died in the service of this nation. Where are those areas of the country that are not “pro-American?”
Have these people abandoned all sense of decency in their maniacal pursuit of the White House? I, as one who is a new American, am deeply repulsed by these revolting attacks that have no basis in fact or morality. This does not represent the America I read about as a child.

Republican fear brings out the worst in people, especially the liars. Obama is not Muslim (he’s Christian and even McCain said so), he was born in Hawaii to as American mother (like McCain who was born in Panama, that makes him a U.S. citizen automatically), and he does not pall around with terrorists (even McCain finally admitted that lie). When the Republicans are backed in a corner (of their own making), they rely on a coninuous stream of lies and missinformation in order to create fear in the electorate. They also try to disinfranchise voters and do everything in the world to ensure the people of this great country are kepts in chains and not allowed to be free, think free or worship free. Fight the lies. Fight the Republican drive to move America backwards. Vote for Obama and the future.

Alex H. are you Nuts you have not read or heard Obama. You are an Idiot for calling him hussein. Maybe there is a hussein and you are confusing Obama with? That is his middle name. Should he have changed it for Fools like you amybe you would have him change his color too? You think his middle name has something to do with tax cuts? That is what you were referring to Right?? If you think a tax cut to Workers making less than $250,000. a year is Welfare what do you do for a living. I work hard and have worked hard all my life and I am not on Welfare. But I have met people that are and YOU Big Alex should need to go to the Hospital and have major surgery without Health Insurance and we will see how long you are still Rich. I am assuming you make more than $250,000. Or you would be calling yourself Welfare. As for the College students you put down. I was a college student and I am over 50. My mom and dad are not giving me drug money. If kids are getting drug money their parents are probably the ones making over $250,000. Maybe they could give that for taxes and not drugs for their rich kids. Penalize hardworking Americans You are nuts they are the ones he is helping. People that make more money were always suppose to pay more taxes but Rep. Like Bush and McCain let them off by not even paying what the law says. Obama knows the tax dodging law breakers and YOU are probably one of them.

Everyone wants to be a Christian as long as it doesn’t cost them anything.
Posted by: allheavens | Oct 18, 2008 7:16:33 PM
Well said.

MCCAIN SPEAKE WITH A FORKED TONGUE—-HE LEARN THAT TONGUE THING FROM PALIN—–(HIS SOUL MATE) WOW I THOUGHT I HEARD EVERYTHING BEFORE THAT ONE

I just returned from this rally. The crowd estimate of 100,000 is low – more like 200,000 were in attendance.
Posted by Mickey
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Mickey Mouse- Yeah, hundreds of thousands of “SHEEP” attend “Marxist rallies” in Cuba and North Korea, too.
I get a sence of creepiness every time I hear about Messiah Obama’s rallies. I can not stop thinking that perhaps the October Surprise in our country (That One calls it “Change We Need”) is in fact… an “October [Communist] Revolution”
AMERICA DO NOT VOTE FOR MARXIST OBAMA.

TO: Jimmy | Oct 18, 2008 7:14:49 PM
I think it would be perfect if the Democrats win a filibuster proof number of seats in Congress and the Presidency.
You know why? — get ready, because this takes some thinking — because then we will really know whether the Democratic policies that will be used to get us out the crap hole we are currently in are actually worthwhile or not.
If they are worthwhile, then people like you will have to shut their mouths and apologize for all of your hate and bashing that you do everyday. And if not, then I will eat crow and vote Republican next time.
It is called being an Independent Thinker — something you seem to no ZERO about.

People, Really? | Oct 18, 2008 7:20:24 PM,
And you are really naive if you think that McCain won’t raise taxes at all — does the phrase “READ MY LIPS!” ring a bell to you. You are the sheep that buy “sounds good” policies only to get reamed when nothing can be done about it because they have already been elected to office.
At least Obama has the balls to admit some taxes will be raised.
Go away!

McCAIN said he wants everyone to be rich. Sounds like socialism to me.

Mr. Obama, you are a liar. You are not proposing tax cuts and you know it. You are using semantics to confuse the issue. But you are going to raise taxes and small business will be the hardest hit.
For once Mr. Obama, try the truth.

To: Natasha | Oct 18, 2008 7:22:16 PM
Are you proud of your ignorance? Seriously.
To: msa123 | Oct 18, 2008 7:22:24 PM
And, most. if not all of the charges leveled by McCain at Obama have been debunked as not true. So what say you about the dishonorable campaign that McCain is running? He has gotten you hook, line and sinker — he wanted people to say exactly what you said “Well, I am not a big fan of McCain, but what if all these things about Obama ARE true”. The scare tactics have taken you — and that is sad, ignorant and naive.

Natasha,
I know you’re scared. I don’t know *why*, but I think we can all read the fear in you everytime you post. It makes us feel bad, like when a dog freaks out at a thunderstorm.
Do what my dog does. Please, go hide under the bed.

It will be over by 9PM EST. Everything said here will then be irrelevant. McCain has never been a smart guy. The issues at hand are too big for him and Palin to deal with. It is time for the soldier to enjoy a happy retirement. HAPPY RETIREMENT SENATOR McCain. We love you.
McCain for Retirement

To: Pansycritter | Oct 18, 2008 7:26:35 PM
You are ignorant, Pansycritter, and you know it. Obama has the balls to admit that he will raise taxes on some people. Not McCain — he is pulling a George H.W. Bush with a “Read My Lips” no tax increase pledge — but just wait. He will raise them, and what will you say then.
Go away!

FUNNY THAT PALIN IS NOT BOASTING THAT SHE WILL PUT A POOR MOOSE IN EVERY POT.

SHAME ON YOU ALL!
I am so saddened by folks who try to scare people as a way of making them vote for their candidate. Too Cheap!!convince me on issues and so far Obama has made more sense to me than McCain. Having lived in a socialist state before, I cant believe stupid are. Obama’s proposals has no single inclination to socialism. Besides his proposal is what will drive the engine of this nation, not what McCain is proposing. Right now we are in dedt becoz of Bush’s tax policies which McCain has not veered from. Oh…please dont waste your vote and live another 4 lousy regreting you were stupid. I am White, Conservative Republican who this year is voting for Obama…for the sake of this country. I pray to God you will join me

Alex:
Your statements are gross — gross and stupid. Just like your candidate, you can’t argue on the merits so you just fall back on name calling and empty rhetoric. “College pukes”? “Drug money”? Tell us how these things are relevant. Better yet, skip it — just crawl back under your rock.

To: People, Really? | Oct 18, 2008 7:29:25 PM
You are really a moron, aren’t you? You are very ignorant. I know McCain isn’t PROPOSING raising taxes. Because that is what he has to say to sheep in order for people to vote for him. But in the state we are in now, he will pull a George H.W. Bush who said “Read My Lips. I will not raise taxes” — but then he did just that, raised taxes.
Obama has the balls and integrity to say he will raise some taxes up front.
You have no honor.

John McClown looks and sounds like an old washed-up surgeon getting tangled up in his stethoscope, all the while reminding the worried patient what a great doctor he used to be—-30 years ago,
He’s the wrong man at the wrong time.

rodney,
Basically that is what is happening when the government mails out the checks and we all go shopping. It’s pathetic. We are all partly responsible for the problems of this country. The Architects of our constitution were depending on Americans staying informed and paying attention to who we were electing to run out government. We have been the missing checks and balances on our system and the people who are mindlessly repeating the lies about Senator Obama, even after they have repeatedly been proven to be untrue are the worst part of the problem. Wake up people! This is exactly what McCain wants. As long as we spend time on this bull—- he doesn’t have to talk about the issues.
McCain/Palin more of the same or potentially worse.
Obama/Biden 08

NEW RULES, If Obama wins only Democrats get a tax cut,Republicans can move to Alaska with their hero Palin

hey Alex – are you totally ignorant or just in denial. Your racist diatribe shows you to be yet another out of touch republi-nazi. Get used to this, President Obama.

sarah: what lies about Obama have repeatedly been proven to be untrue? And I’m not talking about the ridiculous ones. I’m talking about relationships with radicals, racists, radical racists, slumlords, squirrely land deals with rezko, etc. Where did you get your information that no one else seems to have?

SARAH
T ISSUES WOULD KILL MCCAIN AS HE DONT HAVE A CLUE.
AS FOR CREATING JOBS –WHAT JOBS AS ALL WILL JUST GO OVERSEAS—-PERHAPS A PIZZA JOINT ON EVERY CORNER
BUT THE BASIS OF OUR ECONOMY HAS GONE TO OTHER COUNTRIES.

McCain is a decent guy. He deserves a nice retirement. The White House is not a retirement home, especially now that we are facing the biggest economic crisis since the last depression.
Bye Bye McCain and HAPPY RETIREMENT.

CPA: Those that do well in this country will not continue to do well in this country if many people are left in increasing poverty. People in food lines do not go to restaurants. If the people doing really well in this country, and that would be making more than 25,000 a month, if they can’t afford 1,500 a year to make sure that they still have employees who are educated, roads to deliver their product on, and peasants to buy their products, then they are foolish. The 3% increase on the 50,000 over 250,000 only comes out to 1,500 dollars. Thing about it as an investment in continuing to do well, and continuing to have peasants to buy things.
Now also… we’re not talking about 250,000 GROSS… For businesses and starlets who gross 250,000 they’re not going to see any change. Same old Same old. For those that have 250,000 of pure buy the pie profit, they’re not going to see a change either. for people making over 250,000 they will see a 3% increase on the parts OVER 250,000, so if they make 300,000 in a year as profit, after all expenses, then they’re going to pay 1,500 PER YEAR. Because if they’ve got that much money, maybe they’d like to see some decent roads, schools, healthy customers, new technology. If that’s too harsh for the poor suffering darlings, perhaps they should consider just becoming a simple person, quit whatever they’re doing and try to live on 25,000 a YEAR, not per MONTH.
Five hundred dollars per year is a lot of money to someone who makes $2000 a month. For someone who makes $25,000 a month, $1,500 is not a lot.
So when we talk about distributing the wealth, people making that much profit, you think they’d be smart enough not to kill the cow they’re milking (meaning the rest of us.).

WITHOUT MFG JOBS THE PEOPLE WHO PAY SERVICE INDUSTRY PEOPLE HAVE NO MONEY.
ALL THE PLUMBERS CARPENTERS ETC NEED THE WORKING PEOPLE AS A BASE.

MSA
THAT IS WHAT YOU CALL FUZZY MATH –OR WISHFULL THINKING

I support Obama. The doctors are overcharging and the entire medical system needs to be under government control. The minorities have never had a fair deal and they are owed some of the wealth from the fat cats. The government needs to control the economy and create jobs for people and if it needs money, there are plenty of rich people who don’t pay enough taxes. Obama is going to makes thing fair and equal for everybody.

Hey Alex H and other hate peddelers;
The McCarthy era died over 50 years ago.
It’s a shame you can’t go back and live in that time, you might be much happier there, rather than living in the present.
Does the H. in your name stand for hate?
If all you can do is call people names, like a child, maybe you should spend time on the play ground where you might fit in better.

369. In this blog, it appears that John McCain campaign groups were so desperate and shamelessly continue to deploy more and more false character accusations on Senator Obama regarding alleged (1) association with guilt (2) Muslim faith (3) Foreign countries contribution & support (4) Socialism (5) Taxation, (6) Races, and whatever the republican diehards can think of. But wakeup guys, Obama is already destined to win in this 2008 presidential election. Their intention to scare the American voting public can no longer work. We, the American people are smarter, stronger & more inform beyond what you’ve perceived. You can no longer foul us anymore. We already know the classic trick of the Republican’s campaign utilizing “fear” & “lies”. We are fed up with the results of their eight years of failed policies which lead to the wanton destruction of life & countries. We are sad & angry for their dragging down of our economy to no where. How and why should the people vote McCain to continue such failed policies? We could prefer to have a wedding ceremony in the WH instead of a funeral procession. We could rather have a strong & experience Vice president to support the elected president, instead of a novice inexperience flower vase place holder that only give inspiration to an old stubborn, hot temper man.

WSJ – Obama’s 95% Illusion: It depends on what the meaning of “tax cut” is
One of Barack Obama’s most potent campaign claims is that he’ll cut taxes for no less than 95% of “working families.” He’s even promising to cut taxes enough that the government’s tax share of GDP will be no more than 18.2% — which is lower than it is today.
It’s a clever pitch, because it lets him pose as a middle-class tax cutter while disguising that he’s also proposing one of the largest tax increases ever on the other 5%. But how does he conjure this miracle, especially since more than a third of all Americans already pay no income taxes at all? There are several sleights of hand, but the most creative is to redefine the meaning of “tax cut.”
…
The Tax Foundation estimates that under the Obama plan 63 million Americans, or 44% of all tax filers, would have no income tax liability and most of those would get a check from the IRS each year. The Heritage Foundation’s Center for Data Analysis estimates that by 2011, under the Obama plan, an additional 10 million filers would pay zero taxes while cashing checks from the IRS.
The total annual expenditures on refundable “tax credits” would rise over the next 10 years by $647 billion to $1.054 trillion, according to the Tax Policy Center. This means that the tax-credit welfare state would soon cost four times actual cash welfare. By redefining such income payments as “tax credits,” the Obama campaign also redefines them away as a tax share of GDP. Presto, the federal tax burden looks much smaller than it really is.
…
Because Mr. Obama’s tax credits are phased out as incomes rise, they impose a huge “marginal” tax rate increase on low-income workers. The marginal tax rate refers to the rate on the next dollar of income earned. As the nearby chart illustrates, the marginal rate for millions of low- and middle-income workers would spike as they earn more income.
Some families with an income of $40,000 could lose up to 40 cents in vanishing credits for every additional dollar earned from working overtime or taking a new job. As public policy, this is contradictory. The tax credits are sold in the name of “making work pay,” but in practice they can be a disincentive to working harder, especially if you’re a lower-income couple getting raises of $1,000 or $2,000 a year. One mystery — among many — of the McCain campaign is why it has allowed Mr. Obama’s 95% illusion to go unanswered.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122385651698727257.html

Go to the below website and look at the timeline of facts about Obama.
There is references for almost all the facts, that are l inked to the original articles.
http://colony14.net/id41.html
THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE

SOME REPUBS ON HERE SOUND A LOT LIKE THE OLD LSD GANG.
TAKE A TRIP–NEVER LEAVE TOWN
GOODNIGHT
MAY THE WRINKLED OLD GUY LOSE—-AND MAY PARIS ALWAYS WASH MY CAR—LIFE IS GREAT.

rodney: You’re right. It should be more like 75% Obama. So what is the problem?
Posted by: msa123
The problem is that about 80% of the country (40% on either side) is generally going to vote with their party affiliation out of a sense of pride.
Four years ago, the Republican base voted for W because we needed to stay the course. Now they’re going to vote for McCain because we need change?
At least the Dems can argue that they’re *still* trying to vote for change.
But it’s a faulty argument. The base of each party is always going to vote for their party. You probably know this already.

I found a calculator online that showed me how much I would get from Obama’s tax cut. I entered our salaries, joint return, etc. Anyway, $600.00 was the amount. But, looking beyond the tax cut, what else will I get from an Obama presidency? Obama is the most libel senator in the senate. For years, he has surrounded himself with people who are far left radicals, who hate America. He wants to implement “Universal Health Care”. This will be the biggest government program in the history of the US. Can you imagine the taxes this will cost? What about the fraud, waste, and abuse? Personally, I do not want the government to have that much control over my daily life. And, Obama said the first thing he would do as president would be to sign the Freedom of Choice Act. This act will do several things: (1) It will supercede any state laws limiting abortion; (2) It will threaten doctors that don’t want to perform abortions with prosecution; (3) It will allow minor females to have abortions without parental consent; (4) It will remove the ban on partial birth abortion. Obama is not pro-choice, he is pro-abortion. When I look at all these things together: Obama can keep the $600.00. I’m voting for McCain.

Have faith fellow Americans. Good will triumph over evil. John McCain will triump over Hussein Muhammad Obama.
Even the liberal elite media which have tried to influence this election in favor of Nobama will soon have to reflect the truth on the ground, which is John McCain in leading in the polls.
GOD bless America.

It seems pretty basic to me. Increasing taxes on only a small segment to give directly to those who earn less is socialism. BTW, that means, that someone like me earning about $250-$260K will be giving money to someone earning $200K. Ha, that is pretty unfair. I would also suggest that I am not Warren Buffett – which is exactly what Obama said in the debate. To skirt the issue of Plumber Joe, he rambled on about Warren Buffett without answering the question. But let me also tell you $250K earning for a family in Washington DC is certainly not someone who could or would be considered wealthy. We are still middle-class, albeit middle or upper middle, but middle-class just the same. I don’t earn millions of dollars….

John! How very cool you are! You give me greater hope for America and the Republican party!

How many of Senator Obama’s supporters are willing to wear an Obama button when they are not surrounded by other Obama supporters? This is really a critical question because it indicates that there are a lot of Obama supporters who are ashamed to admit to anyone that they support Obama. Why? Because during the past week it is becoming clear that many of his supporters like the idea of a welfare state and redistribution of the wealth. If you support Obama, some people will think that you are a “freeloader”, looking for a welfare check under the guise of an “income tax credit”. Watch: Some sharp Political Action Committe, also known as a PAC, not connected with Senator McCain in any way will pick up on this idea — Obama supporters who are ashamed to be identified publicly ON THEIR OWN as an Obama supporter.

allie: I agree with you. But not this democrat, that’s all. And if it’s Obama AND a democratic majority, there will be no checks and balances. So many here are not even willing to entertain the “what if’s” with Obama’s background and his real agenda and strategy. I think it is wise to consider. It has nothing to do with ‘imagining’ as some other joker rephrased it. All you have to do is research on your own – not listen the media – and draw your own conclusions. But people here won’t even do that. I just don’t get it. McCain isn’t a saint, but we know who he is. We don’t have a clue who Obama is – except who he says he is, and his background that we’ve managed to find. And it doesn’t look so promising to me.

United State of Socialist Obama
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77957

No one is impugning McCain’s patriotism. They’re just stating facts. The only people receiving big tax breaks under the Bush/McCain policy are the very wealthy.And big corporations.Tax cuts that McCain, like Bush will try to make permanant. The wealthy are taxed at about 18% compared to the lower and upper middle class’s 24%. Not to mention most in the middle class don’t have loop holes, and most don’t itemize.

RODNEY YOU IDIOT, YOUR MAMA TOLD YOU TO GET OUT OF HER DAMN BASEMENT AND GET A JOB A FEW WEEKS AGO.
DO I HAVE TO COME OVER AND WHIP YOUR LAZY ASS?

Lily, what did I say that was a lie?

Obama staffers not playing nice, sick
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/10/13/wow-staffers-also-wear-sarah-palin-cnt-t-shirts/

I didn’t realise that Virgina had ‘split’ in two, but seeing as that might be the case – maybe “Normal” Virginia could be the card carrying member of the United States and “Real” Virgina could become its own territory – and McCain can be President of that? They’d get lots of money from tourism, so they’d so alright in that regard. And they wouldn’t have to spend on overseas wars, they’d just have to defend their patch against the other mainland states. And we’ll be too busy trying to fix up the Real economy, we wouldn’t have the time or inclination to bother them, so they’d be ‘safe’ from anything that currently is frightening to them. Sounds like a plan …

The tide is turning against Nobama. The liberal elite media tried their best to influence this election but have failed.
Voters will make their own decisions and it appears the John McCain will be the next President.

Who is playing nice Obama or McCain.
Obama knows of those incidents and has not said a word.

What about all the other taxes Obama will enact if he is elected? This will hurt the working class. Obama’s welfare people will have a free ride.
Read and Learn:
Under Obama your taxes will more than double!
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses,
farms and ranches, and homes that have been in their families
for generations because they could not afford the inheritance tax.
Those willing their assets to loved ones will not only lose them to
these taxes.
NEW ADDITIONAL TAXES BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than
2400 square feet
* New gasoline, diesel, CNG, kerosene, LPG, … taxes (5 to 10%), as if
gas prices weren’t high enough already
* New taxes on natural gas, water/sewer, electricity (10%)
* New taxes on retirement accounts: IRA, 401 – this would seriously hurt retirees and hurt working americans to save for their retirement! 28%
* New taxes on all business, small and large. The current tax rate is 35%, the highest in the world! This could hurt or eliminate many small business’s.
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine – taxes on your health insurance insurance premiums!
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX:
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not
propose any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales, this will hurt retirees!
How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you
will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
If you are heading toward retirement
and would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement
community, 28% of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This
proposal will adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income
from their homes as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6%
How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock
market, IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement
accounts, or anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now
be paying nearly 40% of the money earned on taxes if Obama become president.
The experts predict that higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock market, yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
Socialism at it’s finest!!!

“It’s time to give a tax cut to the teachers and the janitors who work in our schools; to the cops and firefighters who keep us safe; to the waitresses working double shifts, the nurses in the ER, and yes the plumbers fighting for their American Dream. These workers are the backbone of our country. They’re the ones that Washington has forgotten.” Senator Obama
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

rhbate — Please give Governor Palin some slack. I am sure that she is upset with those persons who wish to denigrate our country while her son and Joe Biden’s son risk their lives in Iraq so that some people can live safely in the United States to express the freedoms that they enjoy. In fact, our troops are even protecting the right of some Americans to vote for a candidate that will Redistribute the Wealth if he is lucky enough to be elected President of the United States. We all will defend your right to do something stupid; that is your right.

No it is not typical of Obama supporters. It is typical of a very biased media that will not report the good and bad on both sides.
It leads to more hate and racism we can not afford as a Nation, we all need to do what is right for America.
I have sent e-mails to NBC, ABC, CBS, BBC, CNN and numerous other channels with the facts and they cover it up.
Really sad as the media makes McCain supporters look like rabid racist dogs in a frenzy and it is not true.
There is good and bad on both sides, the American Press has not done it’s job. In doing this they hurt all of America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look Republicans the Democrats dont have to play nice after you all have spit on their candidate for a year now with false allegations of muslims and terrorists ties. Then you call us all marxist, communists, traitors, liberals, fascist, black lovers with the N word sometimes, kill our candidate, monkey, now I dont know what that sounds like where you guys are from but those sound like fighting words from bigots trying to intimidate people from voting for a black candidate. The Republicans have stopped just short of lynchings and beatings of African Americans but have already had one incident where they kicked a news reporter at one. The only thing that stopped them from lynchings and call for death was Mc Cain who saw it going that way and stopping them before his VP incited a riot with her hate talk. Those sound like hate and sound like you should be ashamed of being apart of it not to mention the failures economically of the RFepublicans but you choose to associate with it anyways which says alot about the people voting for Mc Cain and his candidacy itself.

Taxes or not to tax and do cuts in programs – it is the same thing. The cuts in programs means higher property taxes, fees on services, increases behind the scenes – it is the same thing just called something else. Someone does have to pay taxes because the stupid current administration took us into a war we never should have been in and spend 10 million dollars a month. Who is paying for this – China is. So may be the tax payers better start paying up and start with voting the Republicans out and Obama in so we can get out of this war – that Mccain and Palin want us to continue. Then the economy will have more money for the programs and the need for taxes will go down. Wake up America and stop believing the lies McCain spews continuously – he can’t even keep his story straight.

Obama will take the money from the rich fat cats and give it to needy people. He will make the medical system fair by having the government run the system and make sure everybody gets covered. The Doctors have been overcharging for years and now they are going to be forced to take reasonable salaries and stop ripping us off. Obama is going to create jobs by taking from the rich and funding government programs which employ people. Obama is going to make things fair and equal for everybody. It is time that the rich people started to pay and things are fairer for normal people.

I think it is time to recognize that Israel has caused the US to spend outrageous amounts of money which could be better used to help with heating bills and gas prices. Obama is going to make sure that we don’t support Israel anymore and wast all of the money overseas. Obama is going to stop the one sided support of Israel and start treating the Arab world with proper respect.

“John McCain and the GOP don’t give a crap about struggling families.” – Hey, you are so ignorant and stupid, period! McCain will cut taxes for all Americans, only the degree would be different depending on how much you make. Go to the fact check website and do your DD first before trashing GOP. You might well find out (by surprise) that you would get more tax cut under McCain’s than Obama’s. Don’t follow second hand opinions, get the facts directly from reliable resources yourself. I hope your next comment would show little more wisdom! Take care!

I see it this way, all politicians are dirty to some respect, some more than others.
I will take the known over the unknown.
Most of the so called rumours are fact about Obama if you look it up and do some research. He is tightly tied in with Chicago crime and its croonies.
He also will not release a ton of documents that should have been released before he was a Senator.
What everyone Dems and Rep needs to do to see if Obama is honest, is to demand he relase all documentes that has been requested.
McCain and his wife released over 10K of Documents.
The issue most people have is not about lying, about Ayers etc. It is his judgement of having these relationships at all.
He alreadys stated in a recorded speach ACORN will help him shape his Presidential Policy during his transition to President if he wins.
Folks that is scary. Do we want these nut jobs who cause havoc at voter polls, to help make policy at the highest level.
They know they wioll not get many fraudulent votes through, but they may get some or a lot. The key thing they do is vcreate havoc and tie up important resources at election sites who are already usually understaffed.
If a person registers and votes early the same day, and they are not eligable to vote that is voter fraud.
How many of these in stances have already happened we do not have the resources to check out.
Think about the man you want as President, research them, do Google searches etc. Make an informed decision.

Soon the second Messiah will take power and the rest of my plan will be revealed to you.

Barack Obama does not want to see the wealthy few rolling in millions while the people who work hard every day go bankrupt without healthcare. WAKE UP REPUBLICANS! This affects YOU. I thought you hated elite people like McCain and Bush…who laugh at working people when they’re at their fancy dinners. Real Republicans who know what the party stands for are rejecting McCain and Bush.

IT MUST BE SOME TIME OF SCIENTIFIC EQUATION, BUT IT’S FUNNY HOW IGNORANCE & BIGGOTRY CAN BREED SUCH OUTRIGHT LIES, SMEARS, PROPAGANDA & IDIOTIC STEREOTYPE CONCEPTIONS, THAT THE WORLD IS NOW WATCHING IN AWE AND FOR ENTERTAINMENT…America, home of the free, equality, humanity, equal rights, one nation under…and all that blah blah that we try to choke down the throats of other countries…and NOW they gets the opportunity to witness the RAW LIE OF IT ALL! How ironic…

Calling names does not help, but builds more hate and racism.
Right is called racist because we do not support the left, and vice versus.
It is not Left vs right. It is all of us for America.
Research each candidate in depth, make an informed decision.
See what they have done or not done.
America is in crisis

Here’s a HEADS UP — JUST IN —Look for a television commercial during the last week of the presidential campaign airing on October 27th for a week, showing typical hard-working Americans being interviewed and commenting on Senator Obama’s plans to Redistribute the Wealth. It will end with ACORN workers collecting signatures and Chicago-style Community Organizers showing how to collect welfare and other payments from Washngton. It will spark an outcry of “racism”, which is not the intent, but it will give working Americans a voice in this election.

These post show just how much republicans and their supporters hate struggling americans. They are hell bent and dead set AGAINST helping anyone that truly needs it. However, they fall all over themselves giving tax cuts and other financial benefits to corporations and the wealthy. Typical republican philosophy.

McCain/Palin = Corporations First, I make very little and I WANT TO KEEP WHAT’S MINE!!!

“Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next ten years, according to a newly updated analysis by the non-partisan Tax Policy Center. Compared to current law, TPC estimates the Obama plan would cut taxes by $2.9 trillion from 2009-2018. McCain would reduce taxes by nearly $4.2 trillion. Obama would give larger tax cuts to low- and moderate-income households and pay some of the cost by raising taxes on high-income taxpayers. In contrast, McCain would cut taxes across the board and give the biggest cuts to the highest-income households”.

Well, if we’re going to play the Guilt by Association game, let’s go!
Perhaps McCain would like to explain these associations to the American people, including why he chose to appear on G. Gordon Liddy’s radio show less than a year ago and praise him.
Help spread the word – make this viral. Learn these facts to rebut smears against Obama’s ties, post them on your blogs, share them with others and email them to the editorial pages of your local newspapers. You CAN make a difference.
Jim Hensley, Convicted Felon
G. Gordon Liddy, Convicted Felon
Charles Keating, Convicted Felon
Raffaello Follieri, Convicted Felon
Rick Renzi, Under Indictment
Rick Davis, Freddie Mac Lobbyist
Charles Black, Lobbyist for Dictators
Richard Quinn, White Supremacist
Pastor John Hagee, Bigot
Pastor Rod Parsley, Bigot
Todd Palin, Member of Secessionist Group
Andrew McCain, Resigned Manager Savings & Loan

100,000 people at Obama’s rally in St. Louis Missouri? Wow, can you smell the fear Republicans, it must be thick in the air at McCain headquarters!!
How many people did the old man draw at his rally today, Oh I know – Joe the Plumber!!
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just as Mr. Obama mentions to not take anything for granted. We need to VOTE … and trump the GOP nonsense leadership we’ve had to put up with. Don’t ya’ll get it Mr, McCain has been lying since day one of this campaign. Do you think he would stop. Haven’t you noticed that he talks down to you in his speeches because he knows his base thinks in black and white. Wouldn’t it be far better to have a president that speaks intelligently because he has the faith in you that you understand. That is far more authentic than you betcha politics.

Julie, have you ever taken a look at what sissy BHO is?

BO “Spread the Wealth Around” just what the Democrats love…. More Class warfare…. the FACT is small business will be TAXED @ a higher rate under BO….. he and the media are just plan LIEING……… PLUS when you raise taxes on Businesses… GUESS WHAT … they raise their prices….. so who actually pays “THE CONSUMER….. YOU PAY”….. so this is just a HIDDEN tax on the consumer…
Posted by: Vet1973 | Oct 18, 2008 3:58:26 PM
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Vet1973,
You are probably getting bent over and screwed by republican policies unless you’re wealthy. Republican have shown thru their policies they don’t give a damn about struggling americans. They only pander to them during elections. Afterwards it back to helping coroprations and the wealthy while screwing struggling americans.

Obama says he will redistribute the wealth. This is much fairer than having the fat cats with all the money and others with not enough. He will raise the taxes on the rich and make sure that normal folks have money for heating bills and normal living. There is nothing wrong with taking from the rich and giving to less fortunate. The Obama government will make things fairer. The rich fat cats have had it their way for years, now it is our turn

Obama is right….there certainly is a lot of wind blowing across America.

Obama wants to take your money and share it with other people. Is that what we want for America? Why would anyone continue to work hard , spend years in college to earn a good salary to take care of his family and then watch as the Obama government decides to take it and give it to others. If you look at how much Obama gives to charity compared to what McCain gives I think you will see who really takes care of others. The difference between the two is that with McCain I can decide who I give my money to and with Obama the government will decide in his redistribution of wealth plan.

How many of you out there received your economic stimulas check this past summer??? Was that welfare?
A good portion of the public were instructed to file even if they were under the federal filing requirements, such as senior citizens etc. Obama’s plan is not welfare.

I’m glad all of you fools making under $250K think a cut on your taxes are welfare. None of you that are posting that are against Barack are making more than $250K. You’ve been brain-washed! Wake up!!! You can’t pay your bills, your mortgage payments are due and you’re children’s college dreams are only just dreams. Wake up and save the country. Another 4 years and we may be owned by China!
See how the tax cuts will help you.
http://barackforus.com/2008/10/18/how-will-baracks-tax-cuts-help-your-family/

There is a must-read article in The Guardian by Brad Friedman titled “The Republican Voter Fraud Hoax”
Here is an excerpt. Why isn”t more of the mainstream media on this?
“…It”s a hoax. All of it.
But it”s been an effective one, as it”s served to distract from very real concerns about tens of thousands of voters who have been illegally purged from the voting rolls in dozens of states, as the New York Times reported in a remarkable front page investigative story. That story followed a report the week before from CBS News detailing still more wholesale purges of voting rolls in some 20 states.
That will be the November surprise, when thousands, if not millions show up to vote only to find they are no longer welcome to do so and are forced to vote on a “provisional ballot” which may or may not be counted.
These real concerns of election fraud, such as voting roll purges, electronic voting machines that don”t work and so much more that actually matters, have been obscured by the smoke and mirrors and sleight of hand of the Republican party”s phony Acorn voter fraud charade.”

“think a cut on your taxes are welfare.”
Hey zuq, by your poor grammar we can tell what race you are

It was a reminder that, for all their electoral histrionics, Republicans have aligned themselves with ACORN in the past.
Indeed, in addition to the McCain photo, there is a host of examples of prominent McCain surrogates attending ACORN events, signing ACORN legislation, or complimenting the group’s efforts.
Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, for example, partnered with ACORN in March 2008 for a “Homeownership Promotes The Economy” taskforce. More recently, Crist declared that — contrary to GOP outrage — he was not upset with the group’s voter registration efforts in his state. The New York Times reported that ACORN supported a law signed by Governor Crist, which “changed the rules last year to restore the voting rights of about 112,000 former convicts.”
Go here to see a photo of McCain with ACORN Members.
http://barackforus.com/2008/10/17/acorn-mccain-and-gop-used-to-be-supporters/

I love it! 100,000 people. You certainly don’t see that many people at McCain’s events.
On a personal note, I live in Washington state and I voted for Obama today!

It’s not a lie that Senator Obama is the most liberal senator. It’s not a lie that he went to Reverend Wright’s church for twenty years. It’s not a lie that he said “spread the wealth”. Based on the facts, Senator Obama appears to embrace a socialistic ideology, and that worries many Americans. That doesn’t make us racist or liars.

Average Americans must have gotten wrong impressions that McCain doesn’t care about middle class families because he has tried little too hard to explain the differences between him and Obama which is not to raise taxes for rich people. But he did mention tax cut for middle class on various occasions. In fact, you get more tax break if you make ~$130K (maybe $100K?) under McCain’s plan. Almost all the media networks are in the tank with Obama and they rarely mention McCain’s mentioning of middle class and they tell people he rarely mentions economic issues, which is really untrue. Anyway, check out the facts before jumping the gun.

“But taking from the rich to give to the poor is not right.”
John, you’re darn right about that one!!!
As far as I know we don’t live in Europe–YET!!!
Posted by: plainsm | Oct 18, 2008 8:51:40 PM
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You are both way off track. First, there is already a differential between income brackets. Second, the change only brings the level back to were it was before the failed BUSH policies, which McCAIN wants to continue. Third, the change is a mere 3% of that amount over $250,000 (peanuts).
The richest man in the US is supporting Barack Obama because he understands that what we loose due to failed economic policies is far greater than this pitance of a tax “increase” on those who can afford it most.

GOP, PLEASE STOP WITH THE LIES ABOUT TAXES! USE THIS CALCULATOR TO SEE WHO WILL SAVE YOU MORE! 3 INDEPENDENT FINANCIAL FIRMS HAVE STATED THAT BARACK’S WILL HELP THE MIDDLE CLASS 3 TIMES AS MUCH AS MCCAIN’S CUTS!!! WAKE UP!
http://barackforus.com/2008/10/18/how-will-baracks-tax-cuts-help-your-family/

Look at the comments of the Repulicans here. It exposes their true haracter. They are worse than the talibans.

STOP THE LIES, BARACK’S PLAN HELPS THE WORKING CLASS. LISTEN TO THE WORDS. WORKING CLASS.

“It exposes their true haracter”
Care to reword that?

Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck……lipstick on a pig thingy……yadda, yadda, yadda…………..just calling a spade a spade!!!

What the hell? Obama’s campaign gives $800K to an organization that is being investigated for voter fraud in 14 states and has been convicted of such acts in the past. Why is this OK for Dems…if it were McCain this would be all over.

Earlen,
Ayers case was dropped because the feds did some shady things to catch him…That DOESN”T mean he’s innocent…it just means they can’t convict him. Plus this artical is about the tax plan and it is welfare. If you payothing in and you get something out it is welfare.

Have another hit on the bong there Brian. Using your logic, if you had the money for better weed than I do because you did all that overtime just to get the extra cash to buy the good stuff, while I prefere my part time job because it gives me more time to stay home trying to catch a buzz on the cheap stuff, you should share yours with me, just to make it equal. Let’s just all kick back and wait for someone to show up and pay our bills for us. After all, it’s only fair that everyone has exactly the same no matter how much effort they put out to get what they have. Works for me I guess, I’ll just quit my job and let the rest of you suckers take care of me.

100,000 – obama back to rock star gangs?
We’ll soon find out he had his corrupt Chicago gang bussed in -or – a real rock star was there first.
Obama’s tax plan is a welfare plan -
just using a new term – he is good at twisting his words.

McCain’s Strategy Revealed – Don’t believe me? Check the video!
http://barackforus.com/2008/10/15/mccains-strategy-revealed-dont-believe-me-check-the-video/

FRIENDS – AYERS/WRIGHT/REZKO
FOREIGN EXPERIENCE – UNCONDITIONAL MEETING WITH AHMADINEJAD
SENATE EXPERIENCE – 100 WEEKS
ECONOMIC MESSAGE -”SPREAD THE WEALTH AROUND”
POLITICAL PLATFORM -”TAXES TO FUND SOCIALISTIC WELFARE”
MIDDLE EAST – “UNDIVIDED JERUSALEM – NEXT DAY CHANGED HIS MIND”
IRAQ -”FORFEIT A VICTORY”

Heck, lets take it all the way…Mccain for Emporer ’08…Palin for God ’08!

Good Lord, the right is frothing at the mouth and has almost come unhinged. Calm down people, you are hurting yourself. Wherever this lands, we all have to live and work together. This isn’t “us” against “them.”

google obama and kenya
see the murder and terror he helped start

Keep going Obama! We’re almost there! I am so proud of this country for finally seeing through the right wing rhetoric for what it is: the politics of division.

google obama and marxist
see his real beginings
also
obama and the new party

“…Obama..Health Care is a right…”
SOCIALISM IS OPRESSION
Belief that Health Care is a right is a terrific example of ‘moral relativism’ where by the consequences of ‘your beliefs’ conflict with that of ‘someone else’, me. The ‘right’ to health care, you believe exists, in reality, does not.
As so many other perceived rights bandied about by the affirmation, ‘I believe it is a right’, describes personal desires. The subject ‘is’ of a ‘moral nature’ that has ignited, once again, conflict.
The consequences of the, yours vs. mine, morality argument is ‘very real’ and ‘costly’ for many people of the opposing view. What must follow always results in ‘mandates’, ‘controls’, and ‘taking more taxes’.
‘My’ freedom of choice now diminished and ‘my’ paycheck smaller. I now have to ‘obey’ what I previously did not have to. I am now worse off than before.
I learned in college economics this one axiom; Wants and desires are never ending.
This ‘human trait’ is why our founders demanded a ‘limited government’ as ‘originally intended’ and enumerated in our rule book, the Constitution.
Why elections matter so much:
————–
Alexander Fraser Tyler, Cycle of Democracy (1770)
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury.
From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over lousy fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.
The average of the world’s great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; from faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to Complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again to bondage.

John, it is very shocking!

Alex H, you must have tremendous amounts of hate in your heart. And for all of you soothsayers claiming to know what will happen when Obama is president, where was the foresight you claim now when you voted for YOUR savior George W. Bush? Did you think we would be in the situation we are in now; worst shape ever in history?
Keep your hypotheticals to yourselves. We need a 180 degree turn from where your voting patterns have taken us. Because if what we have had is conservative I want the complete opposite of that. I don’t care if you call it liberal, socialism, communism, etc.
BTW, if you don’t like socialism, don’t call 911 or put your trash out on the street. I hope your house doesn’t catch on fire. All of the above IS socialism. And if you really want to get technical on the definition, if you answer yes to the questions below then you share something in common with a true socialist:
Do you believe that the most powerful and wealthy in our society controls the capital? Are the majority of laws written in their favor?

google
obama and wisconsin text book
see him as the socialist / marxist he is

Nothing says Christian values like complaining about the poor and trying to make sure nobody gives them a hand.
Its about time someone remembered the middle class before we ALL become the working poor. Same goes for our small businesses.
Welfare and Socialism? We already have those programs in place for our multi-million dollar corporations, thank you very much.

see you tube title
Sing for Change – Fuhrer Obama Hitler Youth Nazi

John, I did. Scary but funny

camparison of hitler youth and obama youth singing.
you tube title,
you decide after watching
Barack Obama Hitler youth comparison

Robin Hood stole from the rich yes. However, it was the rich robber barons who STOLE from the poor through usurious TAXATION. He did not steal from the people who WORKED. Try again.

Michelle is one ugly ass, angry militant racist gorilla, dontcha think?
ugggghh, go back to Kenya b*tch!

timely: “You know what else is in the Bible? Jesus instructing the people to give all their money to the poor. But that part isn’t awesome, I guess.”
I don’t think it teaches for the government to take it forcefully and dole it out. We have hundreds upon thousands of progams for the unfortunate… and there could be more. Instead, Obama says, let’s just take it from some and give it to others. That’s not democracy and it’s not giving and it’s not charity. It’s called stealing. But though, if he says that is what he plans to do and you give him the approval to do it, then I guess you’re condoning it. For those who would rather give to the charities of their choice and do it their own way, too bad. He wants to be a dictator and do things his way and he’s pawing his way in. And you people are falling for it.

That’s your best argument? Really?
Cause I can hit back with something like
Repubs: “Bush doctrine”
Against the commandment: “Thou shalt not kill”
So maybe you want to come up with something better.

timely: that was your argument Bozo. And it sucked as an argument didn’t it?

Timely? you are a personification of a
non sequitor

Alex…every single Obama supporter I know has a job, contributes to society, raises their family and works their ass off to make ends meet. Shut your stupid face and stop making assumptions that you know are false and ridiculous. Being stupid, abrasive and moronic is no way to go through life kid.

“But the Bible does not tell the government to change the US constitution to discriminate against Homosexuals, either.”
Hello? that is an anachononism

How can people who do not work get a tax cut if they do not pay taxes? Can some one explain this to me.

I find this quite amusing. Everytime BO talks, he manages to dig himself deeper and deeper … In my book, of course. Point of fact, the AVERAGE plumber makes 35-45K per year. Yes, that is AVERAGE. Does anyone out there want to be AVERAGE? Doesn’t anyone want to have the whole kaboodle? Yes, isn’t that the American Dream? At least the one I grew up with. Being able to help others and family while being adequately rewarded for the risks and diligence for those accomplishments? Apparently, BO feels that it shouldn’t be. In fact, he wants to penalize you for being successful. According to what I read 10 years ago, a successful plumber should make at least what a successful orthopedic surgeon makes. And, tell me, do successful orthopedic surgeons make 35-45K? I don’t think so either.

Too funny; I guess McCains new “plan” is to scare us with the word “socialism”…oooooh noooooo….
I guess after the “terrorist” and “elitest” tags didn’t work, he thinks this one will; going around w/a bogus plumber and rounding up the good ole folksy folk who have been voting against their own economic interests for a decade. You can tell them anything and they’ll believe it because they don’t read very much and they think Faux News is real news network and don’t realize it’s owned by a billionaire with the morals of a maggot. Obama is going to win because of educated, fair minded people of this country and you should be thanking them when you get your tax cut and the economy starts blooming again. McCain protects talks a lot about the little guy, but he is doing NOTHING in his proposed policies to help them. Get educated!

It is sad that ABCnews blocks many favorable comments for the McCain/Palin ticket.
When the media, such as ABCnews, ignores selected political view points, they are no longer a news agancy, but a political supporter of Obama. ABCnews should change their name to “The Obama/ABC NEWS network.
Now, I know why FOX is number one. I will not vote for Senator McCain or Obama. FOX news may lean right, but they report all the news, not select the news they broadcast. Now, I generally watch FOX, at least, they are a news agency, not an Obama supporter!

So ABC is filtering comments about Obama that point out the truth. Must be typical liberal, paid for by the Obama campaign site.

Finally, we may elect a President worthy of running the free world. One who has the poise, intellect and global backing, to turn the corner on this dark period in our history.
The republicans had their chance, however, they elected and re-elected ‘W’ – that was collectively brilliant – congratulations. And now, with another stroke of brillance, they find a dude in his 70′s, who ran against ‘W’ in 2000, and the republicans felt he wasn’t good enough then – by pushing ‘W’ to the top of the ticket. Now McCain’s back? And Palin?…another stroke of genius (republicans get a standing ovation for this one). Can republicans not find any qualified, intelligent, youthful folks who may possess some measure of public speaking ability??? The Palin choice was a knee-jerk reaction to future President Obama’s convention address – you could not have created a better convention if you made it up. It scared the McBush camp to come up with a gimmick. And the jokes on … the republicans. (Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha, Ha…). Republicans vote with their wallets, and look at the destruction that has reaped. Next time find a Harvard dude or Oxford Rhodes scholar dude with charisma, like future Pres. Obama or Pres. Clinton. Otherwise, don’t bother showing up for practice, ’cause going forward you’re not getting in the game.
Guess what? There’s another part of America that will be voting with their wallet(s) come November 4th. (Potentially a very large portion of the bottom 95% of America (naturally, excluding the toothless folks in trailer parks, clinging to things…) They would rather continue the axx-whipping the they been receiving for so long. Oh well, I guess that partially explains how we ended up with ‘W’ in the first place.

Obama is an elitist Socialist. Easy for him because he has friends like Rezko to fund his housing deals and friends like Wright and Ayers to steady his anti-American stance. In Socialism, the leaders are the rich and they make everyone else equal and destroy their spirit….. btw – Obama wants to change our National Anthem, give Drivers Licenses to illegal aliens, and tax plumbers into oblivion…. can you REALLY vote for Obama???

msa123, there is some confusion. I never said that we should tax people for the benefit of others. You may be confusing me for someone else. I know that what I make is MINE not the governments.

I am also so sick of hearing about Obama’s middle name…what the heck is that supposed to mean? They should be investigated for their public racist chants. I wouldn’t be surprised if the KKK and Nazi groups are posting the displicable racist comments I see on all the blogs. “be a muslum; must be a terorist) I can tell because they have the logic and the writing ability of third graders. Can you imagine in this day and age, trash like that still exists. Incredible.
OBAMA/BIDEN 08….I see a LANDSLIDE!!

On you tube , children are singing pro-Obama songs – “He will change it, and re-arrange it”. Both Soviet Union and Hitler used kids for propaganda purposes. Obama first was brainwashed by people like Rev. Right. Now he is brainwashing you. Congraz, America we have been duped.

my apologies plainism. my mistake. Thanks for letting me know

I bet most people claiming Obama being a socialist, including McCain, don’t even know what socialism actually is. I guarantee most people equate it with communism. Ignorance.
Quick — to Google to find the definition so you can sound intelligent in your response.

FixtheBroken (could that be autobiographical?) just kidding
Socialism is the economic system whereby Communism is employed as a governmental structure

The top 5% of the workers in this country starts at the $160,000 income level. The Dept of Labor has the numbers to prove this. There are numerous couples and businesses, about 50.1% are in that category. If Obama would pass this tax plan, the majority of working America would get a “tax hike”. Obama is in reality, “spreading the wealth” around.
Ralph Nader is a better choice than Obama!

Plainsm,
It actually might be autobiographical if indeed McCain wins this election.
Anyway, please tell me, how the near trillion dollar bill that McCain, Bush and Obama supported is not a sign of socialistic tendencies. And as such, McCain would be considered a socialist too. Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it. McCain a socialist — well, the same ridiculousness can be applied to Obama being a socialist.

Just wait untill the Messiah drops the bad news on his faithfull flock that he really had intended to mean what he said about 250,000 being the point at which you became “wealthy” but it seems there has been a small “change” in plans. Unforseen circumstances have made necessary some small revisions, and from here forward, anyone earning over 50,000 per year is hearby declaired to be “rich” and therefore should be subject to public scorn and ridicule. Oh yeah, and taxed accordingly. 40% outta just about cover it. For now. Some of you are in for such a surprise if you really believe what ANY politician tells you. It’s amazing how every four years how gullable the voting public becomes. Simply fascinating.

There is so much garbage being posted. Since we are quoting the Bible here – “Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone” – for those saying homosexuality is a sin and abortion is murder and is a sin, well McCain’s lies and smear campaigns are also sins. The thing is – Someone having an abortion or being homosexual is a personal choice – McCain’s lies and smears affects not only the Obama family, but all Americans. It is our moral obligation to care for our fellow citizens. All MCain and Palin care about is their own political aspirations. They do not put America first or they would not run a smear and lie campaign. We have an opportunity to elect a honest African American man to be President of our great country and all the Republicans can do is smear him. I am a white middle class woman and I am proud to say that I am voting for Obama.

Why are anti Obama statements always uniformed, uneducated or the crying wealthy few who are so afraid of paying their fair share? They make stuff up, like Faux News and call it fact. They have nothing but hatred and warped logic in their arguments. If their arguments fail, which they always do, then they resort to lies and rumors that can be fact checked in two seconds on line. Thanks for coming out; thanks for being so pathetic and blantantly dishonest. Your lies and hate are the reason this election will be a landslide. McCain is not just going to lose; he is going to lose big time. Because no. 1) he has a lousy plan that helps the rich and screws the middle class; 2) he still believes going into Iraq was a good idea; 3) he has no clue about the economy and 4) he’s run the most dispicable campaign I’ve ever seen and 5) having Palin as 2nd in command is a national embarrassment; not to mention terrifying to most Americans.
OBAMA/BIDEN 08!!

Both Communists and Hitler came to power on a platform of Change. Obama’s brand of change will be slightly different. After all, he was brainwashed for 20+ years by his spiritual adviser with anti-American, anti-white, and anti-simitic hate.
Yes, Obama will bring change, but not the change most of pro-Obama voters are hoping for.

another you tube video
ACORN Obama and the Bailout
These videos are C-Span and CNN not just Fox

Everyone should call or write to their Senators and Congressmen demanding that immediate legislation be passed to require voters to prove their identity and proof of full-time residence before they go into the voting booth. I did this last week. Obama is going to pull off the biggest voter registration fraud and voter fraud in history. He has a direct and close relationship with Acorn, since he was their lawyer and pressured banks to relax requirements for mortgages and force the banks to give high-risk loans to people who were not qualified. He donated over $800,000 to Acorn. Considering that he has dangerous, racist, anti-American, and anti-Semitic close associations, friends, spiritual advisors, we cannot trust this man in the White House.
Read the book “The Case Against Barack Obama” by David Freddoso. He documents everything about Obama’s aversion to reform, the extremely dirty politics he employed in his successful race for state senator of Illinois and his successful race for U.S. Senator, his radical, socialist, ultra-left agenda and the dangerous people who influenced him, his close relationship to Rev. Wright, Rev. Pfleger, Ayers, Reczko, etc., his lack of knowledge and understanding bout basic foreign policy and total lack of experience and uncertainty about foreign affairs, and especially, how he takes care of friends by buying their support.

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Shocking Video Unearthed Democrats in their own words Covering up the Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac Scam that caused our Economic Crisis

Tina Fey: “She’s pageant material”

I just returned from this rally. The crowd estimate of 100,000 is low – more like 200,000 were in attendance.
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Mickey Mouse- Yeah, hundreds of thousands of “SHEEP” attend “Marxist rallies” in Cuba and North Korea, too.
I get a sence of creepiness every time I hear about Messiah Obama’s rallies. I can not stop thinking that perhaps the October Surprise in our country (That One calls it “Change We Need”) is in fact… an “October [Communist] Revolution”
AMERICA DO NOT VOTE FOR MARXIST OBAMA.
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Likewise for Palin the Pagan.

The c span videos prove that the Democrats had a big hand in this mess.
Also voter registration fraud has been proven in one state. ACORN paid them to buy registrations.

John, the truth will get out. Pray to God that it gets out sooner rather than later.

MORE YOU TUBE VIDEO
Obama, The SLUM LORD

MORE PROOF ON YOU TUBE
BUSTED! Voter Registration Fraud Admission!

Bush’s tax cuts gave the wealthy a larger tax break. Why is it wrong to give the middle class a break this time?
Obama’s record breaking rally crowd of 100,000 in St. Louis was followed a few hours later by over 75,000 in Kansas City, Missouri.
Obama is going to turn Missouri blue.

I am concerned about Obama being a non-natural born citizen or possibly an illegal alien. It is in the Constitution that to be president, you must be a natural born citizen.
The active lawsuit, in Federal Court, case number: 08-cv- 04083
Why wont Obama produce his:
1. “vault” version (certified copy of his “original” long version)
Birth Certificate
2. A certified copy of Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Oath of Allegiance.
Why won’t Obama produce these documents, as ordered by the federal judge?
Does he have something to hide?
We are waiting, no documents, no vote!

Abortion is a personal choice? Senator Obama supports abortion on demand, anytime, any place, at any term of the pregnancy. That’s not a lie, that’s not a smear, that is a fact. Get some perspective, lady.

Bruce,
McCain was born near the Panama Canal. He can’t run for President.
Do you see how stupid you sound with your questions?
Please show integrity and intelligence.

“The people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count the votes decide everything.” – Joseph Stalin
OBAMA = ACORN = VOTER FRAUD

jacrac,
Get your facts straight about abortion. He supports a woman to choose an abortion. He has publicly stated that he is personally against abortion. Stop spreading propaganda. I ask you please to not do that.

To all you anti-abortion honks:
Reconcile the following:
1. Is a rapist allowed to choose the mother of his child?
2. Is it OK with you “pro-life” people if a pregnant mother who gets killed by a bomb, gunfire or other mechanism in a war she did want waged?

Any bets on when the Obamabots start the drive to overturn the two term limit so that the Messiah can reign forever?

Republicans always cry “socialist’ when government policies benefit the poor and needy, but not the rich. While at the same time the rich receive the lion’s share of federal largess. For example they take for granted the homeowner’s tax deduction on mortgage interest. Why should the Fed give a person who has a million dollar mortgage a tax break? Why should I as a homeowner with NO MORTGAGE, or a renter, have to SUBSIDIZE a rich person with a million dollar mortgage. Isn’t that WELFARE for the rich? Most Republicans are patriotic supporters of our armed forces. But US military personnel live and work within a SOCIALIST system, with subsidized housing, subsidized food, subsidized health care, and generous pensions. If it’s good enough for the troops, why not everyone? Of course the greatest beneficiaries of federal largess are US multi-national corporations who can hire the best tax lawyers in the land so that they pay NO TAXES AT ALL! Sounds like CORPORATE WELFARE to me. The most bloated, bureaucratic, inefficient, wasteful organization in this land is the Pentagon. Their budget has DOUBLED in the last eight years from $350 billion to $700 billion. The US spends as much on it’s military as the REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED! Are you safer for that? NO! Our much vaunted military could only get ONE ARMED FIGHTER IN THE AIR on Sept. 11, 2001, and that one fighter was TOO LATE. The US military is so incompetent that we would certainly be safer without one. If Reagan had not sent billions to Afghanistan between 1980 and 1988 to recruit, train, and arm Muslim militants, al Qaeda would NEVER HAVE EXISTED. Our invasion and occupation of Iraq has cost nearly one trillion dollars and all we have acheived is to GIVE ALL OF SOUTHERN IRAQ (including it’s oil fields) TO IRAN. McCain can blather all he likes about “winning” in IRAQ, but the fact is AMERICA HAS LOST IRAQ. Way to go BUSH!

Who needs the Constitution,
No. I respect the United States Constitution. Two-terms is enough. In fact, I would support a one term only presidency of 6 years.
I bet you loved that FISA bill that was passed, huh? I hate that Obama voted for that.
You see, as an Independent, I have noticed lately, that the Democrats are actually more caring of the Constitution than Republicans. And that is a fact.

I have perspective – abortion is a personal choice – it is not up to you or anybody else if a woman chooses to have an abortion. I know women who have had abortions and it is a very difficult decision. However, if you are raped or a victim of incest you have already suffered enough and should not be forced to carry this baby. How can you support the death penalty if you can’t support abortion for a woman who was violated? Get your facts straight and have some compassion for others who have been victimized.
And to Bruce – Obama is a U.S. citizen and he has provided his birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii which is one of the 50 states – study your geography if you are that stupide. Mccain was born in Panama – not the U.S.

Jake, what is your language, I don’t recognize an English word “Doh”

Goodness.. I’m an American citizen. I have a birth certificate. It looks like Obama’s give or take. I don’t have a certificate of citizenship or an oath of aligence. McCarthy isn’t running things now. Obama is a natural born citizen. Why would he have a certificate of citzenship? Do you have one?

FUNNY YOU TUBE VIDEO
REALLY NOT FUNNY
The Lies and Babblings of Obama

What good is a tax cut if you don’t have a job??
Obama’s corporate tax increases will force companies to either pass on the tax increase on to US or it will force companies to lay off people.
Obama’s capital gains increase will cost EVERY RESPONSIBLE tax payer. If you save for retirement or your child’s college or a down payment for a home…you will be punished for doing the smart thing…SAVING.
Obama has GUARANTEED that he will sign a Universal Health Plan by the end of his first term (NEA Sept. issue)…how is he going to pay for it??? We can’t even afford Medicare or Medicaid!!
Pelosi wants to spend another 150 billion…with NO WAY to pay for it (the windfall tax is NOT going to pay for it…oil has dropped from $143 to 69…where is the windfall??)
Finally…how can you give a “tax cut” to people who DON’T PAY TAXES?…that is called WELFARE…how does rewarding low income people encourage them to improve their lives? Money for nothing…yeah that makes people strive for improvement!
What option is going to create jobs? Giving low income money a small amount of money to buy hamburgers and flat screen TV’s (made in China!) or giving large companies a tax cut for adding Research Development staff (new engineer jobs) or additional Advertisements.

jacrac,
I am going to try to have an intelligent conversation with you (hopefully not at my own peril). All FOCA basically wants to do is make it permanent law that a woman may choose an abortion. Look at this way — there are people pushing to get a federal amendment to the constitution to ban gay marriage. I am not sure FOCA goes that far.

Senator Obama:
1.) Where is your original certified Birth Certificate?
2.) Where are your Occidental College records?
3.) Where are your Columbia records?
4.) Where is your Senior Thesis?
5.) Where are your Harvard records?
6.) Where are any papers you wrote for the Harvard Law Review?
7.) Where are your Illinois Senate Records, both official and personal?
8.) Do you hold dual citizenship, or were you ever a citizen of another country, and if so, are you a naturalized citizen of the United States?
9.) Why haven’t your medical records been released?
10.) Why have you AND the DNC filed a Joint Motion for Protective Order to Stay Discovery in the case of Berg v. Obama (08-cv-04083)? No, I am not going to ask about THAT OTHER LAWSUIT, but you know which one it is.
If your are a citizen, cooperate with the courts and produce your original Birth Certificate, Certification of Citizenship and Oath of Allegiance.
Cooperate with the Federal Judge or lose our votes.

sisterdearest09, you are free to mail your check to the Treasury Dept
Posted by: plainsm | Oct 18, 2008 10:33:30 PM
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MAD YOU DIDN’T RECEIVE A STIMULUS CHECK FROM DADDY BUSH??
That is what happen to YOU!!!
LOL!!!
NOV. 4TH = OBAMA/BIDEN!!!

Who needs the Constitution,
I voted for Perot, Clinton, McCain in the 2000 Republican primary, Kerry and now I am voting for Obama. If, like the Green party wants, our electoral system gets changed such that we can have a run-off type election system, I may vote other ways.

Spread the Wealth Around = Socialism
“The inherent vice of capitalism is the uneven division of blessings, while the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal division of misery.”
I guess, Joe the Plumber gets this.

plainsm: Obama has a birth certificate too. I mean, do you have a ‘certificate of citizenship’? Or an ‘oath of allegiance’?

McCain divorced his wife for his mistress because she was in a wheel chair. Then a few months ago he pushes a wheel chair person into a wall because the person asked a question McCain did not like. How Ironic! de ja vue the twenty year itch hits McCain again the Keating Five scandal has a trickle down to our current finacial melt down. It started twenty years ago with McCain and his new wife. Don’t believe it? It is true. We are living the last leg of the McCain/Keating scandals. It just took all this time to come to a head. McCains deregulation binge that started all this mess should not be rewarded. That isn’t factoring in his VP choice. It’s like making a omlet and having all the ingredients in the bowl and you forget to crack the egg over a seprate dish to make sure it is fresh and not rotten. But instead you figure, oh! why check…. only to find out the egg is rotten and you have to start over. I thing we are looking for sound judgement not a rotten egg omlet.

plainsm,
First, reconcile the following:
1. Is a rapist allowed to choose the mother of his child?
2. Is it OK with you “pro-life” people if a pregnant mother who gets killed by a bomb, gunfire or other mechanism in a war she did want waged.
Secondly, I am not necessarily pushing FOCA. Your view is extreme to the max. No one is pro-abortion. If we can get a real policy in place that actually takes abortion seriously, I guarantee you that they could be reduced by 50-80% within 10 years. But all we do in this country is argue about whether they should be legal or not, but we actually don’t try to solve the problem.

FixtheBroken, I deal in reality not in hypotheticals just asserted. A child of a rape victim is a child too.
St. Martin de Porres was a son of an illegitimate mother. See this link:
http://www.martindeporres.org/about.htm

I believe he’s an American citizen and any law suits As president he will not be acting like a king, like Mr. Bush has. Obama will build concensus and help all of us do better because we are the heart of his plan. We, the America People, are what will make our country better. Electing Obama is electing democracy again. I very much want that. There has been so much fear and falsehoods put out, but I saw John McCain, live, say, “You don’t have to be afraid of Obama as your president.” He also said, “He’s a good man. He’s a family man.” John McCain, I don’t think he wants everyone to be so afraid either. McCain should have been an indpenedent or a Democrat.

FixTheBroken,
Likewise, I am trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. Setting aside rape, incest, and health of mother, I understand the implications of the FOCA: unlimited abortion, late term abortions, partial birth abortions, abortions because you don’t like the sex of your child. In addition, my teenage daughter, who has to have a signed medical slip to take aspirin at school, can have a medical procedure without my consent. FOCA = PRO-ABORTION. If Obama supports FOCA, then he is pro-abortion also. With regards to war in this discussion, 45,000,000 babies have been aborted, many of those african american.

McCain keeps flip flopping and avoiding the issues, he’s attacking with the use of flat out lies, he’s trying to use fear to mislead america…sound familiar? If he somehow wins, the war in Iraq will never end and the economy will get worst, even my oldest child can see that. The middle class will be wiped out.

Obama is surely conceited…according to the Record newspaper…Obama’s presidential “transition team” is ALREADY MEETING…talk about being cocky. I didn’t vote for him yet and he is already planning on which lobbyists he is going to reward with government White House jobs!!
I don’t like that he thinks America has no other option.

Mike, McCain’s campaign is funded by nothing but lobbyists, where Obama’s is funded by mostly donations. And the white house job is not a reward, it’s a job. If Obama runs our nation half as good as he runs his campaign(unlike McCain), the nation will be just fine.

Video: Obama Admits He Supports Marxism
The Obama-KGB-Squad has removed the following video of Obama’s interview with Bill O’Reilly, during which Obama admitted that he supports Marxism. However the text is still available.
Karl Marx, author of The Communist Manifesto, penned the recap of his basic economic philosophy below:
“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”
Barack Obama, in an interview with Bill O’Reilly on Fox News, admits that he shares the above Marxist economic theory. Watch this (5:47 into the clip, but watch the whole clip):
http://theconservativepost.com/WordPress/?p=550
“If am sittin’ pretty, and you’ve got a waitress who is making minimum wage plus tips, and I can afford it and she can’t, what’s the big deal for me to say I’m going to pay a little bit more… that is neighborliness”
No Senator, that is Marxism. What kind of dementia makes these liberal Marxists think they have the right to tell someone else, another free human being, how much money they should or should not have? It’s none of your damn business Barack… but the hell out!
And some of you thought I was exaggerating when I said this clown was a Marxist…
http://theconservativepost.com/WordPress/?p=550

The country is in crisis right now. If we’re lucky, McCain is also putting together his team to assume responsibilities, in the off chance that he wins. Both of the need to be ready. That’s called being responsible and a good leader.

Wake Up and smell the coffee.. 100,000 gathering in a rally. People are looking for CHANGE, for new plans and new direction. Obama is the only candidate right now that can deliver that. Obama’s plan for CHANGE. McCain plans for “fear tactics”. what a shame.

PHILIP J. BERG v. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA – Complaint
U.S.D.C. – E.D. PA ^ | 08/22/2008 | Philip J. Berg
Posted on Friday, August 22, 2008 11:51:22 AM by Diamond
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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE
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BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, a1k/a
BARRY SOETORO, a1k/a
BARRY OBAMA, a1k/a JURY TRIAL DEMANDED
BARACK DUNHAM, a/k/a
BARRY DUNHAM, THE
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL
COMMITTEE, THE FEDERAL
ELECTION COMMISSION AND
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Defendants
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COMPLAINT FOR DECLARTORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF PRELIMINARY STATEMENT
Article II, Section I of the United States Constitution, states in particular part, “No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been Fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.” Furthermore, all Presidents since and including Martin Van Buren were born in the United States subsequent to the Declaration of Independence.
“The general doctrine of our Constitution is, that the executive power of the nation is vested in the President; subject only to the exceptions and qualifications, which are expressed in the instrument.” 7 Works of Alexander Hamilton, J. C. Hamilton ed. (New
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York: 1851), 76, 80-81 (emphasis in original), U.S. Constitution, Article II (Hamilton
and Madison.)
Obama is a representative of the Democratic People. However, the Obama must meet the Qualifications specified for the United States Office of the President, which is he must be a “natural born” citizen. Unfortunately, Obama is not a “natural born” citizen. Just to name one of the problems, Obama lost his U.S. citizenship when his mother married an Indonesian citizen and relocated herself and Obama to Indonesia wherein Obama’s mother naturalized in Indonesia and Obama followed her naturalization, as he was a minor and in the custody of his mother. Obama failed to take the oath of allegiance when he turned eighteen (18) years to regain his United States Citizenship status.
The Democratic National Committee is for Plaintiff and “We the People” who believe in the Democratic Vision. The Democratic National Party is supposed to represent the Democratic Americans in seeking honest leadership, Open Government, Real Security, Energy Independence, Economic Prosperity, Educational Excellence, a Healthcare System that works for Everyone and Retirement Security. The Democratic Party is supposed to represent and protect the interests of working Americans and guaranteeing personal liberties for all. Of which includes securing a Democratic Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the Democratic vision and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the President under the qualifications of the United States Constitution.
The actions of Obama, a U.S. Senator, in running for President of the United States, knowing he is not eligible, have been taken entirely without authorization under the
United States Constitution, completely ignoring the qualification and procedures created
>by the United States Constitution he is purporting to enforce.
>6. Should Obama become the Nominee of the Democratic Party and then be discovered by virtue of malfeasance, or negligence, on his part not to have revealed material evidence showing him to be Ineligible for the Office of President of the United States of America and thereby his Nomination be declared void by the appropriate Authorities Acting under the Law, Plaintiff as well as other Democratic Americans will suffer Irreparable Harm including but not limited to:
>A) Functional, or Actual, Disenfranchisement of large numbers of Citizens, being members of the Democratic Party, who would have been deprived of the ability to choose a Nominee of their liking;
>B) Irreparable Harm to the structure and integrity of the Democratic Party and the Democratic National Committee. In tum, this too would lead to Disenfranchisement; and
>C) A severe and genuine likelihood of Civil Disturbance by virtue of reaction to said Disenfranchisement.
JURISDICTION AND VENUE
This case arises under the Constitution and laws of the United States and presents a federal question within this Court’s jurisdiction under Article III of the Constitution and 28 U.S.C. § 1331.
This Court has authority to grant declaratory relief pursuant to the Declaratory Judgment Act, 28 U.S. C. § 2201.
Venue is proper in this Court under 28 U.S.c. § 1391(b).
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PARTIES
Plaintiff, Plaintiff, Philip J. Berg, Esquire [hereinafter "Plaintiff'], is an adult individual with a businessaddress of 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12, Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531.
Defendant, Barack Hussein Obama, alk/a Barry Soetoro, alkla Barry Obama, alk/a Barack Dunham, a/kla Barry Dunham [hereinafter “Obama” is an adult individual with an office address of713 Hatch, Senate Office Building, Washington D.C.
Obama, The Democratic National Committee (hereinafter referred to as “DNC”) is a Corporation with a principal address of 430 S. Capitol Street SE, Washington, DC 20003.
Defendant, The Federal Election Commission (FEC) was created in 1975 by Congress to administer and enforce the Federal Election Campaign Act (FECA). The FEC is a Governmental Agency with a principal address of 999 E Street, NW, Washington, DC 20463.
FACTUAL ALLEGATIONS
Since the beginning of the U.S. Constitution, in order to run for Office of the President, you must be a “natural born citizen” and you may not hold dual citizenship or multiple citizenships with foreign Countries. U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section 1.
There are questions as to where Obama was actually born, in the United States or abroad and then registered his birth. There are further questions regarding Obama’s United States Citizenship, ifhe ever held such, being expatriated and his failure to regain his citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance once he turned eighteen (18) years of age. There are additional questions regarding Obama’s multi citizenships with foreign countries, which he still maintains. To date, Obama has refused to prove he is qualified under the U.S. Constitution and his eligibility to run as President ofthe United States.
The facts are undisputed by Obama that his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, was a U.S. Citizen however, his father, Barack Obama, Sr., was a Citizen of Kenya. Obama’s parents, according to divorce records, were married on or about February 2, 1961.
Obama claims he was born in Honolulu, Hawaii on August 4, 1961; however, has never given the name of the hospital he was born in; whereas Obama’s grandmother on his father’s side, half brother and half sister claim Obama was born in Kenya. Reports reflect Obama’s mother went to Kenya during her pregnancy; however, she was prevented from boarding a flight from Kenya to Hawaii at her late stage of pregnancy, which apparently was a normal restriction to avoid births during a flight. Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama) gave birth to Obama in Kenya, after which she flew to Hawaii and registered Obama’s birth. There are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.
Upon investigation into the birth of Barack Hussein Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii, Obama’s birth is reported as occurring at two (2) separate hospitals, Kapiolani Hospital and Queens Hospital. Wikipedia English Version under the subject “Barack Obama”
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states Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. Wikipedia Italian Version under the subject “Queens Hospital” states Barack Obama was born in Queens Hospital.
There are further references circulating on the internet claiming examination of the hospital’s records in Hawaii show no birthing records for Stanley Ann Dunham (Obama), Obama’s mother. However, there are records of a “registry of birth” for Obama, on or about August 8, 1961 in the public records office in Hawaii.
Wayne Madsen, Journalist with Online Journal was a contributing writer and published an article on June 9, 2008 stating the GOP sent a research team to Mombasa, Kenya and located a Certificate Registering the birth of Barack Obama, Jr. at a Maternity Hospital, to his father, a Kenyan Citizen and his mother, a U.S. Citizen.
At the time ofObama’s birth in 1961, Kenya was a British Colony.
There is a Canadian Birth Certificate posted on the Internet in the name of Barack Hussein Obama, Jr.; however, the date of birth shows to be August 23, 1961.
Under the Independence Constitution of Kenya, Obama became a Kenyan citizen on December 12, 1963. Chicago-based Internet journalist, broadcaster and critic Andy Martin states Obama has never renounced his Kenyan citizenship. Andy Martin further states on Obama’s Senate web site, Obama tap dances around his own dual nationality when discussing his father. Obama obviously knows, because his father told the Obama, that he (Obama) also held/holds Kenyan nationality.
If in fact Obama was born in Kenya, the laws on the books at the time of his birth stated if a child is born abroad and one parent was a U.S. Citizen, which would have been his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, Obama’s mother would have had to live ten (10) years in the United States, five (5) of which were after the age of fourteen (14). At the time of
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Obama’s birth, his mother was only eighteen (18) and therefore did not meet the
residency requirements under the law to give her son (Obama) U.S. Citizenship. The laws in effect at the time of Obama’s birth prevented U.S. Citizenship at birth of children born abroad to a U.S. Citizen parent and a non-citizen parent, if the citizen parent was under the age of nineteen (19) at the time of the birth of the child. Obama’s mother did not qualify under the law on the books to register Obama as a “natural born” citizen. Section 301(a)(7) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27,1952,66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S.c. §1401(b), Matter of S-F-and G-, 2 I & N Dec. 182 (B.I.A.) approved (Att’y Gen. 1944). Obama would have only been Naturalized and a Naturalized citizen is not qualified and/or eligible to run for Office of the President. U.S. Constitution, Article II, Section Clause 4.
Furthermore, if Obama had been born in Kenya, his birth father Barack Obama, Sf. was a citizen of Kenya; therefore, Obama would have automatically become a citizen of Kenya.
In or about 1967, when Obama was approximately six (6) years old, his mother, Stanley Ann Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and moved to Indonesia with Obama. At this time, if Obama was Registered as a “natural born” citizen, which he did not qualify to be registered as, he would have lost his U.S. Citizenship when his mother married Lolo Soetoro and took up residency in Indonesia. The first requirement is that naturalization must be achieved through “application.” Such type of naturalization occurs, for example, when a person acquires a foreign nationality by marriage to a national of that country. Nationality Act of 1940, Section
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>317(b). Additionally, there is rumor circulating on the Internet that his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, adopted Obama.
>The Nationality Act of 1940 provided for the loss of citizenship when the person became naturalized upon the naturalization of his or her parent having custody of such person. Obama’s mother expatriated her U.s. Citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and relocated her and her son (Obama) to Indonesia.
>Obama was enrolled by his parents in a public school, Fransiskus Assisi School in Jakarta, Indonesia. Plaintiff has received copies of the school registration where it clearly states Obama’s name as Barry Soetoro and lists his citizenship as Indonesian, Obama’s father is listed as Lolo Soetoro, Obama’s date of birth and place of birth are listed as August 4,1961 in Honolulu and Obama’s Religion is listed as Islam. This document was verified by television show Inside Edition, whose reporter, Matt Meagher took the actual footage of the school record.
>In or about 1971, Obama’s mother sent Obama back to Hawaii. Obama was ten (10) years of age upon his return to Hawaii.
>Sometime after the return of Obama to Hawaii, Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham returned to Hawaii and divorced her husband, Lolo Soetoro. At the time of Divorce, Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham could have regained her U.S. Citizenship. In order to regain her citizenship, Obama’s mother would have had to take the oath of allegiance required. Such oath of allegiance may be taken abroad before a diplomatic or consular of the United States, or in the United States before the Attorney General or the judge or clerk of a Court. Such Oath of allegiance would have been entered in the records of the appropriate embassy, legation, consulate, court or the
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Attorney General and upon demand, a certified copy of the proceedings, including a copy of the oath administered, under the seal of the embassy, legation, consulate, court or the Attorney General shall be delivered. The certified copy shall be evidence of the facts stated therein before any court of record or judicial tribunal and in any department or agencyoftheGovernment oftheUnitedStates. 8U.S.c.§1435.
31. As stated above, The Nationality Act of 1940 provided for the loss of citizenship when the person became naturalized upon the naturalization of his or her parent having custody of such person. Obama’s mother expatriated her U.S. Citizenship when she married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and relocated her and her son (Obama) to Indonesia.
Obama’s mother failed to take the oath in order to regam her U.S. Citizenship. Therefore, Obama would not have been able to regain his U.S. Citizenship until he turned eighteen (18) years after he took the oath of allegiance before a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States, or in the U.S. before the Attorney General or the judge or clerk of court. Plaintiff is informed, believes and thereon alleges Obama failed to regain his citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance. Since the oath of allegiance would have been entered in the records of the appropriate embassy, legation, consulate, court or the Attorney General, if Plaintiff is incorrect, then Obama should be able to produce in Court a certified copy of the proceedings, including a copy of the oath administered.
Investigation further showed in 1981, Obama traveled to Pakistan usmg his Indonesian passport. At the time of travels to Indonesia, Obama was twenty (20) years old. He was well aware he maintained his Indonesia citizenship, and failed to regain his United States citizenship. Indonesia does not allow dual citizenship. Had Obama
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regained his United States citizenship, he would have been traveling on a United States Passport.
Obama and his Campaign office have been asked Obama’s Certificate of Birth in order to prove he is a “natural born” citizen as required by the U.S. Constitution.
After many attempts of the public to obtain Obama’s Certificate of Birth, a Hawaiian CCl1iticate of Live Birth (COLB) was placed on Obama’s campaign website. However, as posted all over the internet, three (3) independent Document Forensic Experts performed extensive Forensic testing on the Certificate of Live Birth posted on Obama’s campaign \vebsite. Thc Forensic Expert findings were the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) was in a forgery. It was further discovered that this original Cer1ificate of Live Bil1h which had becn altered and f()rged was issued to Maya Kasandra Soetoro, born in J 970. Maya Kasandra Soetoro is Obama’s half sister \vho was born in Indonesia and her birth was later registered in Hawaii. The altered and forged COLB is still on Obama’s website located at http://my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
Further investigation led to Obama’s State Bar Registration and Public Disciplinary Record. On the Illinois State Bar Registration and Public Disciplinary Record it specifically asks for “Full former name(s). Obama put “None,” when in fact he went by the name Barry Soetoro, and Barry Obama. It is further believed Obama has used the name Barry Dunham. Obama lied on the State government form that he signed under the penalty of perjury.
Even if Obama maintained his United States Citizenship, which he failed to do, he also carries citizenships in Kenya and Indonesia. Obama has divided loyalties with
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foreign countries. Thus, Obama carries multiple citizenships and is ineligible to run for President of the United States. United States Constitution, Article II, Section 1.
All the efforts of supporters of legitimate citizens were for nothing because the Obama cheated his way into a fraudulent candidacy and cheated legitimately eligible natural born citizens from competing in a fair process and the supporters of their citizen choice for the nomination.
Voters donated money, goods and services to select a nominee, and were defrauded by Obama’s obfuscations. Obama clearly shows consciousness of guilt by his actions by posting a forged birth certificate on his website, and by and the falsifications he told to cover his loss of citizenship.
Obama proclaims himself a Constitutional scholar and lecturer, but did not learn he had no eligibility to become President except by means of obfuscations and deceptions.
The injunctive relief must be granted because failing to do so, this inaction defrauds everyone who voted in the Democratic Primary for a nominee that is a fair representation of the voters. Failure to grant injunctive relief would allow a corrupted, fraudulent nomination process to continue.
It not only allows, but promotes an overwhelming degree of disrespect and creates such a lack of confidence in voters of the primary process itself, so that it would cement a prevailing belief that no potential candidate has to obey the laws of this country, respect our election process, follow the Constitution, or even suffer any consequence for lying and defrauding voters to get onto the ballot when they have no chance of serving if they fraudulently manage to get elected.
If declaratory and injunctive relief is not given, it would be extremely unfair to the country for candidates of either party to become the nominee when there is any question as to the nominee’s eligibility to serve if elected.
As stated above, Plaintiff as well as Democratic American Citizens will suffer Irreparable Harm if Declaratory and Injunctive relief is not granted. Plaintiff does not have any other way of redress regarding these very significant and important issues.
The DNC has failed Plaintiff and the Democratic American Citizens by their failure to perform due diligence and inquire into Obama’s eligibility to run for Office of the President.
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VIOLATION OF THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION, ARTICLE II, SECTION I
>Plaintiff hereby incorporates Paragraphs 1 through 45 as if fully set forth herein.
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>The United States Constitution, Article II, Section I, Clause 4, Qualifications, Office of President, states: “No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of
>thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.”
>Obama’s failure to maintain his United States Citizenship makes him ineligible to run for Office ofthe President.
>Obama, if born in Kenya would have made him a citizen of Kenya. Furthennore, because of the 1940 Naturalization Act, June 1952, Obama’s mother would have had to be nineteen (19) in order for Obama to be a “natural born” United States citizenship upon registration of his birth. Obama’s mother was only eighteen (18) when she birthed Obama and therefore was not old enough to meet the residency requirements under our laws at the time of Obama’s birth and be able to register her son’s birth as a “natural born” citizen.
>Even if Obama would have been able to be registered as a “natural born” citizen in Hawaii, he lost his citizenship in the United States when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and then took Obama to Indonesia and set up residency with her new husband.
>Obama’s mother could have regained her and Obama’s United States Citizenship status when she divorced her husband, Lolo Soetoro and moved back to Hawaii. However, in order to regain her citizenship in the United States she would have had to take the oath of allegiance, which would have been recorded. Obama’s mother never did take the oath of allegiance to regain her citizenship In the United States.
>Moreover, Obama could have regained his citizenship in the United States when he turned eighteen (18), again by taking the oath ofallegiance that would have been recorded. However, Obama failed to do so.
>The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is supposed to represent and protect the interests of working Americans, which includes securing a Democratic
Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the Democratic vision and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the President under the qualifications of the United States Constitution. The DNC has failed to inquire into Obama’s eligibility status.
54. For the above aforementioned reasons, Obama needs to immediately supply a certified copy of his oath of allegiance proving he regained his United States Citizenship. In addition, Obama needs to furnish a certified copy of his Certificate of Live Birth to further prove he was born in Hawaii as he claims. However, if Obama is unable to supply a certified record of his oath of allegiance, he needs to immediately step down and withdrawal his candidacy for President.
WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully prays that this Court:
A. Declare that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham is ineligible to run for United States Office ofthe President under the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I;
B. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham from running for United States Office of the President;
C. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant, The Democratic Committee from nominating Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry
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Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham as the Democratic Nominee;
D. Award Plaintiff such costs and fees pursuant to 42 U.S.c. § 1988 and other applicable by law; and
E. Grant Plaintiff such other and further relief as the Court deems just and proper.
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DUAL CITIZENSHIP
Plaintiff hereby incorporates Paragraphs 1 through 54 as if fully set forth herein.
From the beginning of our Constitution, our forefathers inferred a person running for Office of the President could not have divided loyalties. This was a result of people coming from England to the United States who owed loyalties to both England and the United States. Our forefather’s did not want a person with dual loyalties to be able to secure the position as President of the United States.
This inference is taken from Article II, Section I, which plainly states qualifications for Office of the President must be a “natural born” citizen.
The United States President cannot run our Country and have responsibilities and obligations owed to other countries.
Obama is not eligible to run for Office of the United States President as his mother failed to regain her citizenship after her divorce to Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, when Obama was a minor and Obama himself failed to regain his
United States Citizenship when he turned eighteen (18). Therefore, Obama is not
>a “natural born” citizen.
>Furthermore, Obama is well aware he is not a United States Citizen and does not qualify as a “natural born” citizen. Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at which time he was twenty (20) years old and used his Indonesian Passport, not a United States Passport.
>The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is supposed to represent and protect the interests of working Americans, which includes securing a Democratic Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the Democratic vision and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the President under the qualifications of the United States Constitution. The DNC has failed to inquire into Obama’s eligibility status.
>For the above aforementioned reasons, Obama needs to immediately step down and withdrawal his candidacy for Presidency.
WHEREFORE, PlaintitfrespectfuIly prays that this Court:
>A. Declare that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham is ineligible to run for United States Office ofthe President under the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I;
>B. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham from running for United States Office of the President;
C. Preliminary and permanently enjoin Defendant, The Democratic Committee from nominating Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham as the Democratic Nominee;
D. Award Plaintiff such costs and fees pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988 and other applicable by law; and
E. Grant Plaintiff such other and further relief as the Court deems just and proper.
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FRAUD
Plaintiff hereby incorporates Paragraphs 1 through 62 as if fully set forth herein.
Obama committed Fraud upon Plaintiff and the American Citizens by running for President claiming to be eligible knowing he was not eligible as a result of his failure to regain his United States Citizenship and by maintaining multi citizenships with Kenya and Indonesia.
Obama further committed Fraud upon Plaintiff and the American people by falsifying infonnation on his Illinois State Bar Registration and Public Disciplinary Record. Obama stated on his Application to the State Bar of Illinois, as proven by the Illinois State Bar Registration and Disciplinary Record, stating he never used any other names. Obama signed his
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>application/registration for the Illinois State Bar under the penalty of perjury
>knowing the information to be false. The fact of the matter is Obama used the
>name Barry Soetoro in Indonesia and was registered as a citizen of Indonesia on
>his school records. Obama further used the name Barry Obama and it is further
>believed Obama used the name Barack and/or Barry Dunham.
>Obama attempted to defraud Plaintiff and the American people by allowing an altered and forged Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) to be placed on his campaign website. Obama was well aware the Government issued COLB was altered and forged as the original document was in the name of Maya Kasandra Soetoro born in 1970. Maya Kassandra Soetoro Obama’s half sister who was born in Indonesia and her birth was later registered in Hawaii. The altered and forged COLB IS still on Obama’s website located at 11 ttV:/1my.barackobama.com/page/invite/birthcert
>Obama further attempted to defraud Plaintiff and the American People by claiming to be a United States Citizen, knowing this information to be false. Obama is well aware when his mother married Lolo Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia and took up residency in Indonesia with Obama, they both naturalized in Indonesia expatriating their United States Citizenship. Obama’s mother failed to regain her citizenship after her divorce to Lolo Soetoro, when Obama was a minor and Obama himself failed to regain his United States Citizenship by taking the oath of allegiance, which is recorded when he turned eighteen (18) years.
>Furthennore, Obama is well aware he is not a United States Citizen and does not qualify as a “natural born” citizen. Obama traveled to Pakistan in 1981, at which time he was twenty (20) years old and used his Indonesian Passport, not a United States passport.
>Moreover, as stated above, Obama was registered in School in Jakarta, Indonesia as Barry Soetoro, a citizen of Indonesia, born in 1961 in Hawaii and his religion was registered as Islam.
>The Democratic National Committee (DNC) is supposed to represent and protect the interests of working Americans, which includes securing a Democratic Nominee on the Presidential Election ballot who represents the Democratic vision and who is qualified and eligible to run for Office of the President under the qualifications of the United States Constitution. The DNC has failed to inquire into Obama’s eligibility status.
>For the above aforementioned reasons, Obama needs to immediately step down and withdrawal his candidacy for Presidency.
WHEREFORE, Plaintiff respectfully prays that this Court:
>A. Declare that Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham is ineligible to run for United States Office of the President under the United States Constitution, Article II, Section I;
>B. Preliminary and pennanently enjoin Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k/a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a
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Barry Dunham, a/k/a Barack Dunham from running for United States Office of the President;
C. Preliminary and pelmanently enjoin Defendant, The Democratic Committee from nominating Defendant Barack Hussein Obama, a/k!a Barry Obama, a/k/a Barry Soetoro, a/k/a Barack Soetoro, a/k/a Barry Dunham, a/k!a Barack Dunham as the Democratic Nominee;
D. Award Plaintiff such costs and fees pursuant to 42 U.S.C. § 1988 and other applicable by law; and
E. Grant Plaintiff such other and further relief as the Court deems just and proper.
Respectfully submitted,
>Attorney in Pro Se 555 Andorra Glen Court, Suite 12 Lafayette Hill, PA 19444-2531 Identification No. 09867
>(610) 825-3134
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VERIFICATION
I, PHILIP J. BERG, hereby state that I am the Plaintiff in this action and verify that the statements made in the foregoing Complaint for Declaratory and Injunctive Relief are true and correct to the best of my knowledge, information and belief. The undersigned understands that the statements therein are made subject to the penalties of 18 Pa. C.S. Section 4904 relating to unsworn falsification to authorities.
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For a so called brilliant lawyer, Obama looks like a blithering idiot.
Posted by: Gregh
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Marxist Obama had an excellent education thanks to this great country, which gave him the opportunity to do so. The sad part is that he forgot his brains at Harvard.

He must have produced the birth certificate or he would not be running. I talked to the election office about this, they stated that if he had not provided proof of citizenship at the time of applying for the office, he would not have made it as far as he did. Anybody can file a lawsuit, what that doesn’t show is that the plaintiff lost that case and Obama proved his was a citizen of the USA…even McCain admitted to that when that crazy women in the red shirt accused him of being an arab. Like I said in my last post, all you have are lies.

Some of you guys are crazy as hell on this board, this is a no brainer. If you don’t like Obama then don’t vote for him. You guys like the last 8 yrs and with Mcsame you will just love the next 4. I get it, I understand, I know. You don’t want tax cuts, you don’t want any credits on your health care, you don’t want any help on your college fund, you love paying for high food & gas, no social security, no medicare or medicade. We get it. A bunch of sickoooo on this damn board!!!

“No, ma’am. He’s a decent family man and U.S. citizen that I just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and that’s what this campaign’s all about. He’s NOT an Arab. I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don’t have to be scared of as president of the United States.”
——Quote by John McCain
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14479.html

you MUST work to get a tax cut. period. IF you pay social security tax (which EVERYONE does) then you get a percentage of that tax back as a tax credit EVEN if you do not make enough t o pay federal tax, and this basically applies to high school and college kids or moms who work part and dont make enough to pay federal tax but still pay social security tax. So what IS your problem republcians? You are whiners. The tax rate that the above 250K pay is the SAME AS REAGANS for that tax bracket. it’s perfectly fair and YOU Will get to keep MORE of your money with Obama so what is the world is your problem? man, you people just HAVE to b*tch b^tch b%tch!!! You’re like a bunch of old ladies. Just take your money and shut up already. You’re so stupid. You will pay MORE taxes under McCain AND you will be taxed on your healthcare. I’m sorry, but how STUPID are you???

Tax increase = cut job. Prices don’t go up and same $ kept in pocket of owner. So who suffers? Most likely the small business owner.
Oh well, the liberals will be happy.
Posted by: Eyes-Wide-Open | Oct 18, 2008 7:52:04 PM
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I defy you to show how Bush/McCain’s policies are better than Obama’s. After all, we have 8 years experience with Bush/McCain’s policies. Can you admit it’s a utter failure?

To most the people here making the misleading statement that tax cuts on working americans is welfare…is that what you call it when your enjoying your tax refund…because statistics show half of you get a refund. Well if mccain gets in, the rich WILL get a welfare check if thats what you want to call it.

Matthew,
McCain is not cuttin anyone’s taxes…he is keeping the rates the same as they currently are (read the facts don’t listen to the idiots). And if you don’t mae 250k a yeear the only way nobama’s plan souunds good is if you don’t ever want to make more (or are incapable of making more) His tax credits take from the producing population and gives those who pay no federal income taxes…if you get something for nothing it is welfate

McCain keeps taxes the same, I’ll agree with you on that…give the rich tax cuts and ignore the middle class, isn’t that how we’re doing it now? Doesn’t sound like change to me, sounds like more of the same.

Obama/Biden 08 !!!!

Obama/Biden 08 !!!!!!

Fact is, SOMEBODY has to be taxed, thats how America pays the bills…right now it’s not the rich people on wall street…it’s the middle class. Difference is, if your making 250,000+, your not having trouble paying the bills, the people bailing out rich wall street CEO’s and oil companies are. I think it’s time the middle class get a break from the mess the rich CEO’s and oil companies put us in.

It’s only welfare when you get back more than you pay in…and you can’t count social security taxes because those are a forced retirement tax. It is welfare when you pay nothing and get cash back
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McCain is using the word welfare as code as a connection to Obama and minorities. Can McCain/Palin get anymore sleazy?

IF it is McCain who gets in or Obama, there are going to be taxes. As far as Welfare, we just gave a $700BILLION welfare check to Wall Street Fat Cats that screwed up and caused the meltdown. The Tax thing is John McCain’s smoking mirror, that is all he’s got. It’s wrong. I do care that Obama, is black, purple or orange. What I care about is the integrity and leadership and diplomacy, and brilliance needed to get this country back from the brink of a full blown Depression. The hell with taxes, if you have nothing, no home, no income, no job, no 401K left, massive bank failures, immediate job closings and zero income, what the hell are taxes ??? They mean nothing. And that is where we are folks. And since George and his pals, which includes McCain, put us here, they certainly are not going to fix the matter. Obama, will if elected. Wake the Hell UP! And the most unthinkable thought is this: McCain is 72 years old. He is not in the best of health. His judgment is very flawed to have chosen Palin. Here’s the point; Can we, can you afford to have her running the country with all the complex problems we now face, in the event he succumbs? NO! NO WAY! So I do not give a rat’s butt about taxes, we will pay them either way, the core matter is responsibility, direction, leadership, integrity, and the smarts to save us from total economic failure. The ability to promote a “Better America, a United AMERICA, A HEALED AMERICA” McCain can not do this, and Palin, is a joke! THINK CLE

Well said JaMar.

IJ,
Obama made almost 8 million last year…your logic is hollow…your a hack.

David
How has $10 billion dollars a month for a war we never should have been in strengthening our country. We are in this financial ruin because of poor decisions by the Bush administration. We are trillions in debt to China – McCain signed for the bailout of which he contributed to the downfall through deregulation in the investment business. Now he is criticizing the plan. McCain supports the war – how can you support a man who changes his story constantly? He is a blatant liar. We didn’t have a choice on the war – but we lose our sons and daughters and husbands and wives in Iraq. I don’t want my tax money going to support a war in Iraq – I fully support our troops but not the war or the reason we went to war. I would rather pay tax money to give health care and food on the table to the poor. I work with a woman who’s husband walked out on her with 3 kids to raise on her own. She can only afford health care for her kids on her salary – not for herself. So re-evaluate your support of a man who cares about the rich not the middle class. $5000 health care – that is nothing for someone who has health issues – plus he is taxing health care – so much for his “no new taxes” pledge. McCain is all LIES.

IF it is McCain who gets in or Obama, there are going to be taxes. As far as Welfare, we just gave a $700BILLION welfare check to Wall Street Fat Cats that screwed up and caused the meltdown. The Tax thing is John McCain’s smoking mirror, that is all he’s got. It’s wrong. I do care that Obama, is black, purple or orange. What I care about is the integrity and leadership and diplomacy, and brilliance needed to get this country back from the brink of a full blown Depression. The hell with taxes, if you have nothing, no home, no income, no job, no 401K left, massive bank failures, immediate job closings and zero income, what the hell are taxes ??? They mean nothing. And that is where we are folks. And since George and his pals, which includes McCain, put us here, they certainly are not going to fix the matter. Obama, will if elected. Wake the Hell UP! And the most unthinkable thought is this: McCain is 72 years old. He is not in the best of health. His judgment is very flawed to have chosen Palin. Here’s the point; Can we, can you afford to have her running the country with all the complex problems we now face, in the event he succumbs? NO! NO WAY! So I do not give a rat’s butt about taxes, we will pay them either way, the core matter is responsibility, direction, leadership, integrity, and the smarts to save us from total economic failure. The ability to promote a “Better America, a United AMERICA, A HEALED AMERICA” McCain can not do this, and Palin, is a joke! THINK CLE

Marty,
We are not in this financial mess because of W. We are in this mess because millions of idiots borrowed more money than they could afford to borrow. That’s it…those people need to own up to their bad decisions. W never forced the lendor or the borrowers to do this. On the contrary Fannie and Freddie loosened the lending standards to a point that my wife who doesn’t work could have bought 500k condo just by signing her name with no proof. Many are at fault but deregulation is not scapegoat you think and the way I know you really have no clue on this issue is the fact that you would actually say that. Nobama sais it try and make hay but he knows it’s not true either.

sounds like robin hood to me. let’s rob from the rich to give to the poor. that way we equal what people make. no wait, that would be socialism.
don’t worry about your taxes, the “patriotic” people who make $250,000 will foot your bill for you. don’t believe it for a minute.

Over 100,000 strong rally. Wow!! My My My!!. I bet the McCain folks have belly Aches!! and visiting the restroom every 2 minutes now with diarrhea!! whiles McCain is Constipated

“oppressive tax increases” …..hey brainless, when Reagan had this EXACT tax bracket and rate did ANYBODY call it oppressive? Here’s a fact you obviously dont know, those making over $250K NEVER had such a low tax rate. Bush gave it ot them with the idea that it will trickel down. Did it? no. Did it create jobs? no. Did that money even stay in our economy? no. it was invested overseas. What Obama is doing is saying “i am NOT going to increase deficit BUT I need to find money and give it back to the middle class. Where can i get 400 billion from???? gee, lookie here, Bush CREATED these tax subsidies for the rich that they NEVER HAD before him and they have done NOTHING to create jobs (the original reason they were given) so, to keep the budget the SAME let’s try giving those tax credits to MIDDLE CLASS FOLKS INSTEAD. HOW can ANYONE have a problem with that ESPECIALLY whne THEY will be part of the group who NOW will get teh tax credit. how STUPID are you????? Obama is holding up a junk of cash and saying “WHO GETS IT? YOU?? You want it?” and you are actually saying “NO, give it to that guy who makes $1m instead”….??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? HOW STUPID ARE YOU??????? PRETTY DAMN STUPID!

David,
Don’t patronize me – I know a hell of a lot more than you apparently do. I’ve worked in the business world and with lawyers for years. I don’t need you telling me what I do or don’t know. But you are obviously brainwashed . Maybe if you had a few life experiences with people who have struggled and helped out some of the poor you would have more compassion and understanding.

I thought this was an interesting article from Bloomberg today:
Oct. 18 (Bloomberg) — Freddie Mac and American International Group Inc., two companies bailed out by the U.S. government as the financial crisis unfolded, each contributed $250,000 for last month’s Republican National Convention, Federal Election Commission filings show. The money went to the local host committee for the convention in St. Paul, Minnesota, which raised $50 million. Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and Morgan Stanley, New York investment banks that changed to bank holding companies and therefore put themselves under increased federal regulation, also contributed money for the Republican convention. Goldman Sachs gave $255,000, and Morgan Stanley donated $100,000. New York-based JPMorgan Chase & Co., which bought Bear Stearns Cos., contributed $100,000. The host committee also received $25,000 from the Saginaw Chippewa, an Indian tribe formerly represented by ex-Republican lobbyist Jack Abramoff, who is now in prison.
More at: http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/20081018/pl_bloomberg/axkxmxbffle;_ylt=Ao0Xpvl7B8lwsZ8YNWKFkhWog9IF

McCain is just another Bush .. bilk the middle class but protect the wealthy .. at least Obama wants to help the middle class and the low income workers with tax breaks.. McBush is a Rip Off

David – you are clueless. Another 30 months at $10 billion a month – lets see – how many more trillions will we owe China. We will be in a great financial situation. While our bridges are collapsing in this country and roads are falling apart, Iraq is being rebuilt and China is laughing at us. We never should have been in Iraq – the terrorists were in Afghanistan. If there were weapons in Iraq – after Bush announced war for a year – did they really expect to find anything? This war was poorly planned, and poorly executed. If you love the war so much – go and fight it yourself and McCain with you.

Promises are just that..promises. we’ll see if barack hussein osama follows thru.

Don’t worry Zeke, he won’t. They never do. It’s all a dog and pony show. Tell the masses what they want to hear, get elected, and spend your term paying off the people who helped get yout there, while lining your pockets as well. It will be the same old crap in another four years.

trickle up economics…well it’s never been tried before. maybe there’s a reason. things dont trickle up. a little thing called gravity.

Zeke: You said it right. Obama is not for the poor by all means. He never was. Obama was not a community organizer on the southside for the people he was using the people for his own benefit because he already planned to run for the presidency. When he met ayers in 1995 he already knew about him. He wasn’t 8 years when he met him. And the story about them two working together on the board at Acorn. I hope Fox keeps that story going so the voters can get a good opinion of Obama before they vote.

All of you conservative bloggers do is call Obama funny names and make wild accusations – sure signs of desperation. And all the McCain campaign is doing is lurching from gimmick to gimmick – *Gas Holiday *Drill,Baby,Drill *Sarah Palin *Suspending the Campaign *Ayers and terrorists *Joe The Plummer and ….(I probably missed some -help me out here.)
There is no coherent vision, no hope, no plan. In other words – empty.
Barak Obama and Joe Biden have been steady and coherent and they offer a vision of hope and a real plan for the future. They will make a great President and Vice-President.

Pauline and Bruce–About the birth certificate: How it works is, if the mother is a US citizen, her child is a US citizen. However, Barack Obama was born in Hawaii, and his birth certificate has been seen and proven authentic by factcheck.org and several other sources. He should not have to produce any other documents or oaths of allegiance. If his name were Samuel Johnson from Idaho and he was white there would be no issue. BTW, you are aware that John McCain was born in Panama and has no birth certificate, right?

Marianne,
You are such a racist – but it is no wonder when you listen to such a biased news source as FoxNews. They are not news – they are brainwashers and far right extremists. John McCain was involved with terrorists and Acorn also – so he should be investigated as well. He also is suppressing unsavory information about his POW status. Don’t believe all the trash from blogs and FoxNews – learn that facts.

I am amazed at the stupidity in this country. How in the hell do people think wealthy people got wealthy? By working the middle class into the ground to make enough money to send their companies overseas. The majority of the complainers are broke and have always been broke they just want to arrogant to face it.
If you think all the billions we send to other countries isn’t welfare you’ve been drinking the GOP cocktails to long.

corporations first,
i’m self employed. actually i am doing better than i was during the clinton years.
Posted by: zeke | Oct 19, 2008 12:26:12 AM
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How long do you think that can continue when everybody else is struggling under Bush and the republicans?

Mariann Pepitone I see you are posting your old racist stuff, again. I have seen you post moe than once about Obama dying. You are a digrace. And the rally – take the time to look at the pictures – WHITE people by the thousands in St. Loius – they are now estimating OVER 100,000 thousand people turned out. And Saturday evening, a crowd estimated at more than 75,000 thronged the Liberty Memorial near downtown Kansas City for an Obama rally. Lok at the pictures – WHITE people all over the place. Put your sunglasses on – the pictures may be too bright for you.

Mariann Pepitone I see you are posting your old racist stuff, again. I have seen you post moe than once about Obama dying. You are a digrace. And the rally – take the time to look at the pictures – WHITE people by the thousands in St. Loius – they are now estimating OVER 100,000 thousand people turned out. And Saturday evening, a crowd estimated at more than 75,000 thronged the Liberty Memorial near downtown Kansas City for an Obama rally. Lok at the pictures – WHITE people all over the place. Put your sunglasses on – the pictures may be too bright for you.
Posted by: sandy | Oct 19, 2008 12:35:43 AM
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I read on other post here at ABC that Mariann Pepitone moved from Gage Park in Chicago,IL to Cicero,IL both have a long history of racial hatred of Blacks. So you can tell her mentality from where she has and currently lives.

North Carolina has tunred BLUE. Carolina is Obama country. I am truly worried about the mental health of some of these posters when they have to accept that Americans of all religions, colors and income levels have come together to finally get a smart president. Obama-Biden 08 – go NC

The republicans and there robber baron pals on wall street have stripped this country of its wealth. The best practices advise that wall street gives to American companies is to outsource off shore to cut cost. I’m Charles the IT guy and I lost my job September 10th 2008. I can’t call the government for a bailout to cover my losses. The job prospects are slim. So, I say Obama Yes!

Alex, I didn’t realize how out of touch McCain supporters were as well! I hope you didn’t take all night to write that peice of crap post! No your cheap a** probably copy and pasted fro Fox News blogs.
I love me some Hussien!
Obama/Biden 08- Get used to it people!

McCain/Palin = Corporations First and Show-Me Mom: Glad to know that there are bloggers with heads on their shoulders and a thinking, rational brain inside. Much of the rhetoric against Senator Obama is that some people cannot admit that they are racist so they hide the fact with unfounded rhetoric from the likes of Hannity, Rush, and Faux News.

JimmyTMac, you sir is an idiot!
It`s simple maths……
Mc Cain favours the rich as proven by the last 8 years of bush policies which he has supported and wants to continue.
Obama supports you. The ordinary Joe, 95% of Americans, not the wealthy 5%. So ask yourself? Do you earn more than $250 000 a year, if so, you should vote for Mc Cain otherwise, you just don`t get it.
O and by the way, it’s not welfare because you need to pay taxes to get tax breaks in the first place. Don`t get confused by the Mc Cain propaganda machine.
Stick to the facts and understand who favours you. If you are going to vote for Mc Cain, vote for Mc Cain for the right reasons. Just remember that Mc Cain fights for the wealthy 5% of America but needs the support of the rest of us to do that.
In the end we have made the rich richer in the last 8 years, we have tried it the Republican way, it`s time for a change.

REPUBLICANS ARE AS SMART AS BUSH, MCCAIN AND PALIN! THE APPLE DOES NOT FALL FAR FROM THE TREE! THEY DO NOT SEE GIVING 100 BILLION TO AIG, LEHMAN BROTHERS, FANNIE MAE AND FREDDIE MAC IS “RICH FOLKS WELFARE.” WHEN WE GAVE OUT BILLIONS OUT TO CHRYSLER, GMAC, S& L SAVINGS & LOAN, THIS IS “CORPORATE WELFARE.” IT WAS TAXPAYERS MONEY WE GAVE TO THESE “CROOKS.” NOW WERE ARE GIVING AWAY ANOTHER 800 BILLION TO BAIL OUT MORE RICH CROOKS, WHICH IS “CORPORATE WELFARE.” bUT, WHEN IT COMES TO BAILING OUT OR RESCUING THE MIDDLE CLASS, OR COMMON EVERYDAY JOE, REPUBLICANS ARE DEMONIZING ANY EFFORT! WE NOW KNOW WHOSE SIDE THEY ARE ON, DO NOT BE FOOLED BY THEIR “SOCIALIST” PROPAGANDA! UNDER THE REPUBLICANS THE GAP BETWEEN THE RICH AND POOR ALWAYS GREW BY LEAPS AND BOUNDS, AND NOW THE MIDDLE CLASS IS DISAPPEARING!WE, NEED AN INTELLIGENT, WISE, DIPLOMATIC, SKILLED PLITICIAN IN THE WHITE HOUSE WHO HAS THE JUDGMENT TO LEAD AMERICA BACK TO PROMISE. JUST A THOUGHT, I HAVEN’T HEARD THESE SOCALLED BORN AGAIN CONSERVATIVES SCORCHING, BURNING AND CONDEMING JESUS CHRIST AND HIS APOSTLES FOR WEALTH REDISTRIBUTION! EVENTHOUGH, I DO NO BELIEVE THIS IS WHAT BARACK OBAMA IS DOING! ANY LUNATIC CAN SEE THAT!

One thing for sure, typing in all caps sure makes you look smart.

McCain/Palin = Corporations First and Show-Me Mom: Glad to know that there are bloggers with heads on their shoulders and a thinking, rational brain inside. Much of the rhetoric against Senator Obama is that some people cannot admit that they are racist so they hide the fact with unfounded rhetoric from the likes of Hannity, Rush, and Faux News.
Posted by: sandy | Oct 19, 2008 12:51:43 AM
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Sandy, many Obama supporters realize republican supporters have a leg to stand on discussing issues. Therefore, they resort to racist and personal attacks on Obama. That might have worked if Bush & Co hadn’t ruined the country. Bust since he has, I see Obama winning by a large margin.

is it possible to disagree with Obama without being racist?

McCain is a Republican, “The Party of Corporate Values!”

i havent seen racist accusations of obama supporters, only mccain supporters. I think it’s very possible to support Obama without being a racist, just as you can be against him without being a racist. I disagree with his politics, just as I disagree with the politics of Ted Kennedy & Nancy Pelosi.

I was called a racist when I used his name, Barack Hussein Obama, in a comment. It’s his NAME! If using his names is racist, his parents would be at fault.

I’m positive we’ll be in big trouble if Obama wins.
Posted by: zeke | Oct 19, 2008 12:03:29 AM
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I am positive you will be…lol
Enough to the politics of taking from the poor and giving to wealthy. If the last eight years have proven anything, it just doesn`t work. Yeah sure you might like the bush economic policies that favour the wealthy only….but the rest of us want to balance the books again. Remember the Clinton years…. America was doing great…compare that to today….
I don`t want to be lied to for another four years.
Remember all those Republican promises 2000/2004
- Cut spending????? = Iraq…10 billion a month + more spending than in the Clinton years… (Fact)
- More jobs…..?????? We have lost more jobs in the last 8 years since the great depression.
- Health care????? Don`t get me started on that one….
- Foreign policy????? We have lost respect globally and what happened to taking care of business….bin laden is still out there.
- National debt???? we where in the green when the republican took office, now look where we are….it`s worst than ever.
Not to mention all the lies P bush has feed us about…..weapons of mass d ????? The real weapon was and is the republican economic policies, which Mc Bush supported and still supports…….
Enough is enough!!!!!
I get sick thinking about what has happened to this great country in the last 8 years…..
Time for a change
Obama/Biden 08

Mulder without scully
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Well said!!!!
I can not take another 4 yrs. of McBush policies!!!!
Enough is ENOUGH!!!!
Nov. 4th = Obama/Biden08

It surprises me that “socialism” is still viewed as THE GREAT EVIL in America and all anyone has to do to evoke a thoughtless knee-jerk response of fear and outrage from most Americans is simply speak the “word”. Do you not realize that all western countries are socialist democracies to some extent. Your greatest supporter in the Iraq war is England which is a very socialist country (with universal health care).
Obama is not introducing a new concept when he says “redistribute the wealth”.
You already have income tax and social programs in place. He simply wants to adjust the numbers and expand some pragrams to benefit the middle and lower classes at the expense of the wealthy and suddenly the sky is falling and communism is ready to sweep the country?
Get real.

For those not familiar with McShrub Loony-Right welfare plan for the OIL CO’s and his related radical wealth plan, for those in the 5% UPPER INCOME LEVEL, here is a summary that even an obnoxious sycophant might understand (provide somebody reads it to them very, very S-L-O-W-L-Y ):
MCSHRUB WILL DESTROY THE MIDDLE CLASS AND WORKING CLASS AND MAKE THE OIL CO’S AND 5% INCOME EARNERS TAX FREE WHILE CHARGING THE WORKING CLASS WITH ALL OF THE BURDENS !!!
GOT IT ????????
THEN GO OUT AND VOTE WHILE YOU CAN !!!!!!
OBAMA-BIDEN 08 !!!!!!!!

S. Palin:
As Putin rears his head and comes
Into the air space of the United States of America
Where– where do they go?
It’s Alaska

Bush gave tax cuts to the rich and jobs were still being shipped overseas. So, unless Americans are willing to work for cheap;jobs will continue to be lost. Some people only care about money and there is nothing that you or I can do about it.

Republicans don’t want to spread the wealth around they want to give it all to the wealthy. That is why it is called wealth after all.

My question to my fellow democrats how many people in that 100,000 can actually vote, how many are registered, how many live in the state of Missouri, If I were a betting man I dont think 100,000 people standing outside are really going to matter, the fact is he will be like until he gets in then it will be just like GWB the media will turn on hime then the people will turn on hime. 100,000 people props in commericals it says a lot about Obama I will use you people for visuals that my campaign is stronger than yours cause I got 100,000 folks out here, I believe that when this election is over half of America wont like the President , Obama or Mccain, everytime Obama is in trouble the media comes running to the rescue. Remember this the media built up GWB 2000-2005 they will do the same to Obama build him up and if they dont get what they want he sink like a rock in the polls. Mark my words.

Why can’t you Libs get it? Obama’s plan to increase taxes on businesses & investors will discourage growth, increase unemployment, and increase inflation…not exactly a cure for a struggling economy.

Sen. Barack Obama is a Muslim of Kenyan origins who studied in Islamic schools and whose campaign may have been financed by people in the Islamic and African worlds, Libyan leader Muammar Gadhafi said during a recent televised national rally. ………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
“There are elections in America now. Along came a black citizen of Kenyan African origins, a Muslim, who had studied in an Islamic school in Indonesia. His name is Obama,” said Gadhafi in little-noticed remarks he made at a rally marking the anniversary of the 1986 U.S. air raid on his country. …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
The remarks, translated by the Middle East Media Research Institute, MEMRI, were aired on Al Jazeera in June. …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….
“All the people in the Arab and Islamic world and in Africa applauded this man,” continued Gadhafi. “They welcomed him and prayed for him and for his success, and they may have even been involved in legitimate contribution campaigns to enable him to win the American presidency. …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….………………………………………………………………………………………………………

It amazes me that Republicans are more interested in playing the game of politics than actually governing. It is fairly obvious by the posting that something if going on and my guess is that a Republican operation is trying to stiffle the postings of average people by posting angry anti-Obama tirades like the one that refers to “Hussien”. This election is not about tax cuts and this election is not about welfare. This election is also not about terrorism, oil drilling or Bill Ayers. It is not about the economy. This election is about the American people being very concerned about the future and looking for a President that can lead them in a brighter direction. Barack Obama has offered a direction. John McCain has not. It is that simple. The Republican party is outa ideas other than how to win an election by any means necessary. I hope that we aren’t confused by their latest tactics.

Dear Red States
We’ve decided we’re leaving. We intend to form our own country, and
we’re taking the other Blue States with us.
In case you aren’t aware, that includes Hawaii, Oregon,
Washington , Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and
all the Northeast. We believe this split will be beneficial to the
nation, and especially to the people of the new country of New
California.
To sum up briefly: You get Texas, Oklahoma and all the slave
states. We get stem cell research and the best beaches. We get
Elliot Spitzer. You get Ken Lay.
We get the Statue of Liberty. You get Dollywood.
We get Intel and Microsoft. You get WorldCom.
We get Harvard. You get Ole’ Miss.
We get 85 percent of America ‘s venture capital and entrepreneurs.
You get Alabama .
We get two-thirds of the tax revenue, you get to make the red
states pay their fair share.
Since our aggregate divorce rate is 22 percent lower than the
Christian Coalition’s, we get a bunch of happy families. You get a
bunch of single moms.
Please be aware that Nuevo California will be pro-choice and
anti-war, and we’re going to want all our citizens back
from Iraq at once. If you need people to fight, ask your
evangelicals. They have kids they’re apparently willing to send to
their deaths for no purpose, and they don’t care if you don’t show
pictures of their children’s caskets coming home. We do wish you
success in Iraq , and hope that the WMDs turn up, but we’re not
willing to spend our resources in Bush’s Quagmire.
With the Blue States in hand, we will have firm control of 80
percent of the country’s fresh water, more than 90 percent of the
pineapple and lettuce, 92 percent of the nation’s fresh fruit, 95
percent of America’s quality wines (you can serve French wines at
state dinners) 90 percent of all cheese, 90 percent of the high-tech
industry, most of the U.S. low-sulfur coal, all living redwoods,
sequoias and condors, all the Ivy and Seven Sister schools, plus
Harvard, Yale, Stanford, Cal Tech and MIT.
With the Red States, on the other hand, you will have to cope with
88 percent of all obese Americans (and their projected health care
costs), 92 percent of all U.S. mosquitoes, nearly 100 percent of the
tornadoes, 90 percent of the hurricanes, 99 percent of all Southern
Baptists, virtually 100 percent of all televangelists, Rush Limbaugh,
Bob Jones University, Clemson and the University of Georgia.
We get Hollywood and Yosemite, thank you.
Additionally, 38 percent of those in the Red states believe Jonah
was actually swallowed by a whale, 62 percent believe life is sacred
unless we’re discussing the death penalty or gun laws, 44 percent
say that evolution is only a theory, 53 percent that Saddam was
involved in 9/11 and 61 percent of you crazy bastards believe you
are people with higher morals then we lefties.
By the way, we’re taking the good pot, too. You can have that dirt
weed they grow in Mexico.
Peace out,
Blue States

Obama will grow the government and steal more of our money. McCain will grow the government and steal more of our money. We are screwed either way. Oh yeah, Obama is not the messiah. Jesus is.

I have yet to hear either candidate propose plans for a large cut in government spending and government bailouts and a large reduction in the size of government??? Until that occurs, there will NEVER be ANY chance of there being a balanced budget!!! Bigger government, larger budgets and increased dependence on government translates to job security for these and ALL government employees!!! Time to trim the herd and cut spending……………”NOW!!!”

The right wingnuts are getting desperate, still spreading lie after lie on the blogs
Well it isn’t going to work this time. McShame has changed his colors so many times chemelons can’t even keep up. So all these neocons can do is spread lies and hate, but guess what this time it isn’t working.
The last eight years have been way to painful.

I am sorry dear Republican white faithful, the black man will rule over America this time. Take it or leave it. Please if you will not accept your fate as it is divinely arranged, get a visa to come and live in China, we are warm and hospitable at least for the next four years.

Here we go again – comment after comment from ‘hard working’ Americans, accusations that Obama’s supporters are all on Welfare while everyone voting for McCain works 26 hours a day … scratch the surface of any of these people, and there he is – Joe the Plumber. Not even qualified, hasn’t paid his back taxes, can’t even afford to buy the business he’s “frightened” of being taxed for!! “Don’t touch THEIR money” “Don’t give their taxes to people on Welfare” … Fat Cat Bankers getting bailed out to the tune of about a trillion dollars (and growing) isn’t a problem – just don’t give those deadbeats on welfare any more foodstamps…. Sad, sad people.

There was a simple solution to this “drama” on another blog I just read a few moments ago. It kinda cuts thru all the fat and gets to the meat.
If you make $250,000 (or more) a year – vote for McCain. You will be better off.
If you make less than $250,000 – vote for Obama. You will be better off.
Now, let the best man win. Simple. I’m a Republican and I’m voting for Obama.

I think the fact that both McKain and Obama are both putting forward tax cut plans at this time is ridiculous. We have the largest budget deficit in history. The Congress has been raising the national debt limit and with all of the current and future bailout plans I am certain the deficit and debt will be going higher still. I expect there to be more costly plans to stimulate growth and create jobs as the country appears to be headed into a deep recession. All politicians know how to do is promise you a tax cut but when (if) they give it to you they charge it (e.g. deficit finance to make up for the reduction in tax income). If interest rates on treasuries actually go up as the rest of the world decides that they’ve had enough of our debt, the cost of financing the deficit and the debt will skyrocket further. Tax cuts right now are a joke.

It is not surprising that Obama can draw 100,00 people. The people who get free stuff will always flock to the politicians who promise to give them more free stuff. When discussing the American Revolution, a Scottish-born British lawyer and writer Alexander Fraser Tytler (1747 – 1813), was attributed as saying. “A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.” Americans reached that moment with FDR’s New Deal and have been tumbling down the path of self destruction every since. Today over half of the households in America receive a regular monthly check from the government and nearly half (44%) pay no income taxes at all. Just how long do you think we can continue on this path?

Al Austin, a longtime, high-level Republican fundraiser from Tampa, today sent to his list of political contacts an e-mail containing a joke that refers to the assassination of Barack Obama.
When asked about the e-mail, Austin said it was a mistake and apologized and that he wouldn’t knowingly have circulated it. He said he planned to send an apology and retraction to the same e-mail list.
Al Austin/ Tribune file photo
The joke concerns a group of schoolchildren discussing the definition of “tragedy” as opposed to “great loss” or “accident.” The punch line comes when one child says that if an airplane carrying Obama and his wife, Michelle, “was struck by a ‘friendly fire’ missile and blown to smithereens, ” the event might be a tragedy “because it certainly wouldn’t be a great loss, and it probably wouldn’t be an accident either.”
Austin acknowledged sending the e-mail to his list of political contacts but said he forwarded it without fully reading it and didn’t know what it said. That list included at least two reporters.
According to the forwarding history on the e-mail, it had gone through at least two other individuals before being sent to Austin on Tuesday.
Austin, a prominent real estate developer long known as one of the state’s leading Republican campaign fundraisers, has served in recent years as finance chairman for both the national and state Republican parties.
This why I call them the repugnant party.
Go Obama/Biden 08

Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
>
> CAPITAL GAINS TAX
>
> MCCAIN
> 0% on home sales up to $500,000
> per home (couples) McCain does not
> propose any change in existing
> home sales income tax.
>
> OBAMA
> 28% on profit from ALL home sales
>
> How does this affect you?
> If you sell your home and make a profit, you
> will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
> If you are heading toward retirement
> and would like to down-size your
> home or move into a retirement
> community, 28% of the money you
> make from your home will go to taxes. This
> proposal will adversely affect the
> elderly who are counting on the income
> from their homes as part of their retirement income.
>
> DIVIDEND TAX
>
> MCCAIN 15% (no change)
>
> OBAMA 39.6%
>
> How will this affect you?
> If you have any money invested in stock
> market, IRA, mutual funds,
> college funds, life insurance, retirement
> accounts, or anything that pays
> or reinvests dividends, you will now
> be paying nearly 4 0% of the money
> earned on taxes if Obama become president.
> The experts predict that ‘higher
> tax rates on dividends and capital gains
> would crash the stock market yet
> do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
>
> INCOME TAX
>
> MCCAIN (no changes)
>
> Single making 30K – tax $4,500
> Single making 50K – tax $12,500
> Single making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 60K- tax $9,000
> Married making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 125K – tax $31,250
>
> OBAMA
> (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
> Single making 30K – tax $8,400
> Single making 50K – tax $14,000
> Single making 75K – tax $23,250
> Married making 60K – tax $16,800
> Married making 75K – tax $21,000
> Married making 125K – tax $38,750
>
> Under Obama your taxes will
> more than double!
> How does this affect you? No explanation
> needed. This is pretty
> straight forward.
>
> INHERITANCE TAX
>
> MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
>
> OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
>
> How does this affect you? Many families
> have lost businesses,
> farms and ranches, and homes
> that have
> been in their families
> for generations because they could not
> afford the inheritance tax.
> Those willing their assets to loved
> ones will not only lose them tothese taxes.
>
> NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
>
> * New government taxes proposed on
> homes that are more than
> 2400 square feet
>
> * New gasoline taxes (as if
> gas weren’t high enough already)
>
> * New taxes on natural resources
> consumption (heating
> gas, water, electricity)
>
> * New taxes on retirement accounts
> and last but not least….
>
> * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
> so we can receive the same
> level of medical care as other
> third-world countries!!!

McCains middle name is Sydney. Isnt that a girls name? Makes ya start to wonder about the sexual orientation of old Johnny boy. Sure, hes had wives but many homosexuals have had wives, even having children just as a cover for their internal struggles. I mean he did join the Navy after all, it wasnt the Marines, or the Army. Sydney harbors deep sexual frustrations from his repressed sexuality, you can bet on that. Sydney probably was affected by some of his boyhood chums and their preteen exploits out behind the house… You see what I mean folks? This is no different than them attacking Baracks middle name and making up things about him concerning his name. Its easy to do it, but its wrong to do it. Its the same schoolyard tactics that bullies used in grade school, and the conservatives are the same people. Schoolyard bullies you knew in grade school, became conservatives, and havent changed their tactics.

Dave the Cabinetmaker, if your clients are so cheap that they cant stand to pay an extra few hundred dollars in taxes, on the $250,000+ they make then they are complete morons, and not patriotic. Its simple mathematics people, but the republicans want you to believe obama is gonna take LOTS of your hard earned money. Its hundreds of dollars folks, not thousands and its still less than Clinton taxed you, and its a drop in the bucket compared to hundreds of thousands you are making. If you are patriotic then please dont be greedy. Its not really that much money per person. Lets be the America of old that wanted to help others and didnt NEED to hold onto every penney.

I am not voting for Obama because of his lack of experience, his liberal “tax and spend” voting record and I am afraid that if he is elected he will surround himself with radicals — as he seems to have done in the past. However these arguments about Obama’s birth and religion are absurd and were debunked months ago. His birth certificate has been posted upon the web and verified by the State of Hawaii. He has publicly stated his faith many times and was a member of a racist Afro-centrist Christian Church for 20 years. Even if he was a Muslim in his youth Christians should be shouting halleluiah at his conversion.
But I am concerned about his association with an unrepentant terrorist like Ayers and his lying about it to the American people. If it was just Obama’s close association with one radical individual maybe it would not be such a big deal. But Obama has a long history of associating with radicals who seem to despise the American way of life — Bill Ayers, Bernadette Dorn, Jeremiah Wright, Frank Davis, Rashid Khalidi, Michael Pfleger, Raila Odinga, Mike Klonsky, and who knows who else.

The Bush / McCain “trickle down” approach has resulted only in rich getting richer (hoarding their gains) and what “trickles” down is much like the old Yiddish saying that translates to, “Don’t pee on my back and tell me it’s raining.” Obama’s spread the wealth plan intends to give the middle a chance to catch up. Will it mean the rich like Cindy & John McCain can’t buy ther 13th house with cash…maybe. Where is the greater good? Vote for the Middle, Vote for Obama.

I went to my doctor the other day. I was picking on him that his taxes would go up if Obama was elected. He didn’t crack a smile and just said I guess I’ll have to raise my rates. The people Obama plans to raise taxes on are our doctors, dentists, lawyers, pharmacists, and other professionals and successful small business owners who will simply raise their rates to cover their increased taxes. Think about it everyone. Who really pays for those tax increases?
Obama’s tax plan is to raise taxes on successful professionals, small business owners and investors. Those are the people who create most of the new jobs in America. Obama also says he will give a tax cut to 95% of Americans. How can he do that when more than 40% of Americans pay no taxes in the first place? Taxing upper income people and then sending money to people who didn’t pay anything to begin with is not a tax cut — it is the socialist policy of income redistribution.

Professorj, your doctor can try to raise his rates if he wants, but it will be difficult to do with socialized medicine.

Uh the 95% that he speaks about are 95% of the working americans. Are you people stupid or what? Your no professor, professorj, unless you are referring to you professing republican agenda.

JJ It is funny how Obama changed it to 95% of the working class after it was brought up to him that 40% of the people did not pay taxes. Then like always Obama changed his stance and said working people. Obama does not know if he is coming or going. He is caught on lie after lie maybe that is why he don’t answer questions anymore for the regular Joe or why he would not have the 10 town hall meetings he agreed to with McCain. Lie after Lie is Obama’s plan.

And good luck with your rebellion, Im sure that will work out for you and the wealthy. Whens the last time the wealthy could stage a rebellion?

blahbho, huh? How is rescinding the tax cut for the rich, and setting the level of taxes back to the level when Clinton was POTUS going to detroy america? America was actually strong back then. Bush has been the one who has destroyed america with his silly idea of trickle down economy. It doesnt work. Its called voodoo economics for a reason. If you work hard and make more than 250,000 dollars he will make you pay a few hundred more in taxes. How will that destroy you? If anything it might, if you were totally greedy, encourage you to make just under 200,000, which isnt anywhere near poverty level.

BlahBHO. . . .great post on the tax breakdown. . .finally, someone lays out ALL of the tax changes and differences between Obama and McCain. Why doesn’t McCain use something like this? It would be a game changer. EVERYONE thinks they are getting a better tax deal across the board with Obama and no one knows about this. Is there a website, or somewhere you gathered this info from?

Grumpybumpy
The economy actually was better during the Clinton years and is not doing quite as well during the Bush administration. That said – you have to consider that neither president had very much to do with the state of the economy or much of anything else while they were in office.
Presidents don’t get to start over on much of anything – they simply get to play the hand that the last guy handed to him. Clinton’s brilliant handling of the economy was, in reality, mostly due to the accomplishments of Ronald Reagan that Bush 41 managed simply to not screw up. And by the way, Clinton’s great economic accomplishment was all an illusion – people tend not to remember that on the way out of office Clintons present to Bush 43 was a full blown recession. Does anyone remember the stock market crash of 2001? The market lost 37% of total value starting on 1/15/01 while Clinton was still in office for 5 more days and when Bush was inaugurated on 1/20/01 he was the one that had to clean up that mess. Of course he got blamed for it too.
Another thing you have to consider is how Clintons foreign policy impacted negatively on Bush’s economic situation. Every time terrorists attacked us under Clinton, he would throw a couple of Cruise missles at them and declare victory. The extremests concluded that we are weak, leading to 9/11 – resulting in 3000 dead and another economic disaster.

Bobba
“Dave the Cabinetmaker, if your clients are so cheap that they cant stand to pay an extra few hundred dollars in taxes, on the $250,000+ they make then they are complete morons, and not patriotic.”
It’s not a few hundred dollars, it’s $7500, and that’s just on income tax. Not to mention a huge difference in Capital gains and dividend tax. They’re already paying $100,000 in income tax. Tack on an additional $10,000 in overall taxes and I can guarantee you I’ll be losing customers.

It is funny to see so many comments that have no credibility behind it. The republicans on here just repeat what they hear at the McCain rallies instead of doing their own research. The Republicans have started socialism by wanting to put billions back in the bank and receive stocks in the companies in return. Obama’s “spread the wealth” is spread the wealth of a tax break. Let the other 95% of America know what it feels like to receive some relief. It isn’t take the money from workers and give it to non workers.
McCain talks about Obama raising taxes but people don’t realize that he is talking directly to the large number of wealthy republicans that make over 250k. That isn’t the working class. The working class will get a cut. In the city I am from, small business owners aren’t living the life McCain thinks they are. If you want to know how much you get back from Obama go to his site and use the calculator he has provided. Research is THAT easy.
I think 100,000 people turning out in St. Louis and 75,000 people in Kansas City says a lot for Obama, especially in a republican state.

Obama said he was going to offer transparancy in govenment and then buried Welfare in the tax code. Is this an example of Obama being transparent?
Obama and Biden are attempting to use class warfare with his new welfare program. Obama introduces the largest welfare program in US history and calls it taxes. You have a bunch of tax takers running around talking about paying taxes, give me a break.
No for Socilism – No Obama
Tell Bad Botox Biden there are 4 letters in JOBS.

what is astounding to me about republicans is that they have no recollection of history. When the great depression hit our nation, Roosevelt did not say, lets give the rich a tax break, he said how are we going to get workers back on their feet. He provided the middle class jobs, and a support system with medicare and social security and many other programs to support the working class. That is how we got out of the worst financial crisis. Support systems are not bad for the US nor are they socialist. I am not a socialist but I believe that government has the power to enrich the economy by providing affordable education, affordable healthcare, public safety in monitoring food supply, air traffic, inspection of infrastructure, and these are systems to make us safer just like the FTC which monitors the market to ensure investors. HELLO!!! Now because Bush ran up trillions in deficits, SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR OUR NATIONAL DEBT!!!! You want to give tax breaks to exon, chevron, shell, halliburton, Bechtel who have made record profits during the Bush Administration. Obama is not planning on overtaxing the great businesses in this country, its that they need to pay a small percentage more to help finance tax cuts to the middle class to provide relief to people like us. 75% of this economy is dependent on consumer spending. IF we are losing jobs at an alarming rate, inflation (because of increase in MOney supply)food, energy, healthcare costs, how are we going to take an additional burden. Our real wages have dropped in the last decade despite the fact that other costs have gone up. We have just been spending our credit cards and equity lines in order to pretend we have spending money. Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, and many other manufactoring states have lost all their good jobs to the chinese because Repubs believe that making products cheaper is the way to go and now look how high their unemployment rates are. SOme blue dog dems, clintons are partially to blame for this free trade bullcrap. Repubs i want to repeat again, if the wealthy in this country do not pay more for taxes, we will go bankrupt. We are currently paying 300 billion in interest to china, How much longer can we sustain this type of policy. Let us not forget the bogus bush war in iraq is costing 12 billion a month. In spite of all this debt, why does mccain want to give tax breaks to the wealthy. Bush has given the largest tax breaks to the wealthy in the last 8 years, WHERE ARE THE JOBS BASED ON YOUR TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS!!!!! SOMEBODY HAS TO PAY FOR THE DEBT, DO YOU WANT THE MIDDLE CLASS TO COLLAPSE? THAT IS YOUR SOLUTION!!! STUPID PEOPLE!!!

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I curious, did Joe the plumber who is not really a licensed plumber who has only a slim chance of buying the quarter million dollar buisness that he hyped up. Maybe the publicity was in his plan to buy the buisness. But anyhoo here is a troubling thought.
Did Joe the plumber comit a tax deception by oweing twelve hundred dollars in back taxes? Did Joe the plumber recieve Bush’s Tax Stimulus check while he owed back taxes. If so what’s going on on the State level that their system didn’t pick it up. My point why would he owe $1200 when Bush was going to give him that much if he has a family or $600 if single? Wouldn’t he go for the wash and cover his tax liability? I’m sure more facts will come out about his tax problems through the medias investigative teams.

You fear mongerers the last post about Germany and whites gonna pay are whats srong with this country and the reason we are in trouble. People like you undermine the voters by using scare tactics that have nothing to do with this election. I could just as easily poiny out something more likely to happen which would be Mc Cain winning and continueing our economic turmoil creating more welfare people, creating a bigger Deppression. Countries like Russia become emboldened and start attacking former Soviet Union countries to try and regain power and we go to war we Russia a weaker America and lose. This is more likely to happen under Mc Cain. More debts. More loss of life in wars. More of the same in the past 8 years. That my hate mongeres is reality not a fantasy world where you muslim conspiray theorist and terrorist cell in the white house lunies live in your world but actual factual things that could happen. Mc Cain continueing Bush’s legacies coupled with his temper could actually destroy your nation and you are worried about muslims and nazis when the ECONOMY is tanking. Stop worrying about race and get your mind on the country or check yourself into an institution because you sound crazy talking about socialism.

America, Obama has one thing right, we don’t need another 8 years of an inexperienced Commander in Chief.
Sen. Obama, experience matters. I have made many mistakes in my short life. It is true, when I think about it, that each of those mistakes are among my greatest assets with respect to decision making, each and every one of them. This is because we all learn from our mistakes. At all times, I believe the best of my judgment is anchored in the cement that is my experience. I believe firmly that the longer I live, the more I will have experienced, and the better my judgment will be, on the balance. Sen. Obama, do you really believe that you have made enough mistakes to be the next President of the United States? I respect your ambition. I respect your charisma. I embrace your place in history, but I do not believe you have sufficient experience to lead this planet, not even close.
America, since the mainstream media has failed to examine Sen. Obama’s experience and lack of experience, you will have to determine for yourselves what exactly is Sen. Obama’s experience? What did he accomplish in the Illinois legislature? He was only there for a handful of years. What did he promise he would accomplish? What did he accomplish in the U.S. Senate? He has only been on the job as a U.S. Senator for 1xx days. What did he promise he would accomplish? What has he changed in this world? This country? The Presidency of the United States is an executive position Sen. Obama. Do you have any executive experience? Have you created a budget, negotiated a budget, revised a budget or managed adherence to a budget?
Sen. Obama insists on presenting Sen. McCain’s experience as being only an puppet of the Bush administration. I saw Senator McCain stand up to President Bush’s Defense Secretary. He stood in a manner that no other did. He changed the course of the war in Iraq. What percentage of all GOP legislative votes sided with President Bush’s? What percentage of all Democrat legislative votes sided with Presidents Clinton, Carter and Johnson’s policies? I have no idea, but I’d venture to guess that, had the media presented that information to the American public, we’d find rank and file partisanship throughout our recent history. How many Americans would be surprise by that?
Well Senator Obama, you might be able to claim that you did not support the Iraq war resolution, but what can you offer as proof that it was the right decision at that moment in our history? You were after all in the small minority. Our country was after all reeling from the worst terror attack in our nation’s history. How would history have judged President Bush had he not led our troops into Iraq and then, a massive terror attack occurred yesterday, perpetrated by terrorists that lived and trained in Iraq over the past few years, with or without knowledge of Saddam Hussein? I think about it this way: history failed to present enough evidence to push the World to coalesce and intervene in 1930s Europe. But modern history is 100% clear on that point, it would have been the correct decision. History might well judge the Iraq war to be not a right decision. History will judge the Bush administration on many points. One of those may even record it, in part, as a series of lapses in the judgment of a young President, swayed by the belief and conviction of an older, seasoned Vice President and the overwhelming circumstances of a world that had changed dramatically, in an instant. I agree with you Sen. Obama that we don’t need another eight years of the Bush Administration, we dont need another eight years of an inexperienced President.
Mr. Gibson, Ms. Couric, Ms. Behar, Ms. Mitchell … you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You and your colleagues might think you have the power to micro-filter democracy’s messages to your liking, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You might think you have the power to subtly, and not so subtly promote and gather others to blindly promote one candidacy, while casting another in the least flattering manner possible, but you do not get to dismantle the American vote. You do not get to dismantle America’s vote. The mainstream media bias in this election is at best described as repugnant and at worst, a slap to the face of democracy; an assault on the moral and righteous ideal that all American voters should be free to construct their vote on the basis of readily available, factually complete, accurate, relevant and unbiased fact. It is my opinion that, during this election cycle more than any other I have witnessed, the mainstream media has failed millions of American’s who rely on them, as a basis for constructing their vote. Am I wrong? I might be wrong, but I’ll ask you, the American voters to decide that for yourself, by asking yourself some questions. Questions such as why was so much time spent this election cycle mining for dirt in Alaska, why was so little time was spent tracking laundry in Illinois? Why has the mainstream media spent so little time illuminating the razor thin experience that the junior Senator from Illinois maintains as his credentials? Indeed, if the media was prepared to be fair and honest, they would have been able to report, with incontrovertible confidence, that they were reporting fact, that the candidate having the most experience directly relevant to the position of the Presidency of the United States is actually the candidate that has been relentlessly attacked by the media, both personally and professionally. The mainstream media owes an apology to American Democracy for its treatment of Gov. Palin. Why is it, that after finally deciding to give minimal airtime to the ACORN voter registration fraud issue, was it not mentioned that Sen. Obama’s campaign funded ACORN? Sen. Obama, in my mind, there is no distinction between committing voter registration fraud, serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud or funding those serving as impetus to commit voter registration fraud. During the last debate, you did a fine job of distancing yourself from ACORN, but you failed to directly confront and condemn those that perpetrate or encourage voter registration fraud. You had a nationwide audience, and you chose not to act.
The President is the commander in chief of the United States Armed Forces. That is a serious responsibility. I question how you can expect us to believe that you will effectively maintain the moral, skill and competence of our forces after you have insulted them. What will serve as your experiential basis for leading the U.S. Military? Do you have any military experience at all? Have you ever served in ROTC? Do you know firsthand the horrors of war? I believe that firsthand knowledge and experience is the most critical element one can use in formulating decisions, including the determination of when to and when not to deploy U.S. Military forces. Sen. McCain has that experience. That I know. That he has shown. The media can’t take that away from him.
With regard to foreign policy experience, do you think you are qualified to navigate the most powerful democracy the world knows during a time when the fundamentals of democracy are very much under attack? Are you ready to face Mr. Putin? Mr. Chavez? Kim Jung Ill? China? Iran? Are you ready to answer the 03:00 phone call? What experience do you have that I should judge gives you readiness? What is that experience? What foreign leaders have you negotiated with directly? What treaties have you signed? The media has presented none and neither have you. I have a good number of stamps in my passport Sen. Obama. I lived and worked in Germany for a brief period. Sen. Obama, I am not qualified by a longshot to make United States foreign policy, and you may only be marginally more qualified than I.
The oratorical is no substitute for judgment or experience Senator Obama. I do not believe that you have the experience to be President of our country. Experience matters Sen. Obama, and you are not ready, you have not made enough mistakes. But most glaring to me, Senator Obama is the one mistake that you seem willing to make over and over and it is the worst mistake one can make. That mistake is the action of not owning one’s mistakes.
Sen. Obama, you claim that you will cut taxes on 95% of all Americans. Is that true? Or let me rephrase, how can that be true? You told the voters of Illinois that you would cut taxes, but you have failed to do so in the U.S. Senate. Did you even try? Did you present a bill? Were it a committee issue did you encourage your peers to present one? Have you ever voted for a tax cut? What did you mean Senator Obama when you told Plumber Joe that you wanted to spread the wealth? Do you mean that you want to take money from Joe and give it to those with less money? Your running mate, Sen. Biden has commented that you would not be taxing additionaly those making under $250,000 a year. Sen. Biden commented that he knows no plumbers that make over $250,000 a year. I think that those who claim your tax policies embody class warfare are wrong. Wrong, because the policies are class warfare policies, but they are not directed against the haves, they are directed against the have-nots. Senator Biden, you may well be correct that few plumbers earn over $250,000 a year, but some that own plumbing contracting businesses probably do. What do those that spin your message have planned to say to that one plumber out of maybe six or seven that was employed by a plumbing company, but was laid off, because business is slow, new homes weren’t being built and President Obama’s tax increase forced the owner of the plumbing business to lay her off? The owner tried every angle possible, but was forced to make a tough decision. They were faced with the prospect of either making a tough decision or risk running the entire operation into financial distress and end up having to close operations and fire all workers? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell her that, even though she has no job, she does at least still have affordable healthcare? Senator Obama what will you say to the unemployed plumber in Ohio, father of two, that nearly had a job secured, the owner had just signed a good contract for a small building and he was ready to hire that plumber, but learned from his accountant, that Senator Obama’s tax increase has made it not possible to hire another employee? I guess you’d have Mr. Burton tell that plumber, that even though he still has no job, he does have a lower tax burden
Sen. Obama, you have stated over and over that Sen. McCain supports tax breaks for corporations that send their jobs overseas. The media has not reported on this one way or another, but if you are correct, then I commend Sen. McCain for doing so. What you don’t get, Sen. Obama, or perhaps don’t want the American public to get, is that income taxes, to a for profit enterprise are expenses not much different from the costs of raw materials and salary expenses for purposes of this discussion. All else equal, ladies and gentleman, a corporation will locate itself, and its jobs, or begin to locate itself and its jobs, in areas where it is least penalized in terms of taxes. This is how for profit American corporations behave and this is how they must behave. Their competitors are operating in that manner, continually scouring expenses to search for reduction opportunities. They have to. If they do not, they will be at a cost disadvantage and if their tactical errors are sustained, they may well go out of business in which case, even those jobs which remain in the United States, could also disappear. Even if the company does not fail entirely, some jobs may be eliminated, and chances are great that the highest cost jobs would be targeted first. Sen. Obama, America is not a low cost country, in these circumstances, they would be targeted first, all else equal. When those jobs are cut Sen. Obama, those new unemployed will not have money to support the ‘under $250k’ crowd…they won’t have money to support small businesses…is it sinking in at all?
Your position of not supporting tax breaks for corporations that export jobs overseas, indeed, only encourages them, at the margin, to further export jobs, or slow their job creation in the United States or end their job creation in the United States. This is global economic reality. The media can not distort this fact for you. At the final debate, I heard you add a carrot to your plans. You pulled that same tax string attached to the back of your head and out came the message you think the voters want to hear. If I got it correct, you’ll give tax credits to corporations that create jobs in America. In case you don’t know Senator Obama, this already happens today at the state and local level all across America. Have you thought about how much additionaly, it will cost the U.S. Treasury to employ workers, in an audit fashion, in order to verify which of all the xx million jobs that corporations claim they created actually exist? What are the time constraints? How long must they keep the job filled in order to receive the credit? What would happen when that time passes? Let me get this correct, you want to first keep tax rates on corporations high or raise them – thereby encouraging employers large and small to export their operations and jobs – and then at the same time you want to turnaround and give them a tax credit? You do realize that they are policy opposites don’t you? It looks to me that you might be trying to convince us that it would be a good idea to spend more on government for an unknown expected net job increase. If you can convince us of that Senator Obama, I’d suggest you also try to sell us a bridge to nowhere. Your tax policy is bigger government, bigger IRS, more regulatory burden on American Corporations and more administrative overhead makes them less competitive in the global market and less likely to employ. It is not the right policy Senator Obama.
Go back to the Senate and accomplish something Sen. Obama. Your candidacy is an insult to America.
oh and ps, the verdict has been in for decades on the effectiveness of spreading the wealth policies. Go visit an American Indian Reservation Sen. Obama. The only thing that has changed for the past several decades is the faces of the Washington politicians that have redistributed wealth to us. Do you have any clue what the average unemployment rate is in Indian Country Sen.Obama? Illicit drug use rate? Teen pregnancy rate? Pick a rate
Senator.

Even if Obama was being straightforward about how he’s getting tax money out of people, his plan would only help plumbers until they wanted to take the next step in their lives. Also, if you are a small business, beware of the dreaded $250,000 threshold. To cap a person’s success threshold is without a doubt socialism, and it is a GIANT leap towards communism.

Natasha and others -
If you’re going to invoke Marx’s name please at least know how to spell it. It’s Karl Marx, not Carl Marx.

I just donated $50 bucks to help Obama speak against all of the lies. It felt GOOD! I plan on doing it again the next time I get paid -

Bottom line is that socialism turns prosperous nations into cesspools. There are very few people who would work if you offered them free housing, free food, and free healthcare instead. All of the present problems with the US economy were caused by too much socialism, not too little (e.g., the Democrat caused mortgage fiasco). Also, when a Republican president takes office, that doesn’t instantly wipe out all of the socialist programs from the past. They still remain on the books. To get rid of those programs, Congress must pass legislation (and the President must sign it) in the same manner it took to originally pass the law. This is why we can rarely get rid of socialist programs once they are enacted. The US is now at a crossroads. We can turn back to the economic principles that have made us the most prosperous nation in history, or we can go down the dark road to socialist squalor. If you want the latter, vote Obama.

The McCain/Palin campaign has gone further and further into a frighteneing segment of America’s past. Racism. And taking their “base” with them. The hatred fomenting at their rallies is getting more intense. There is no doubt in this white women’s heart that the comments and name calling are sad, desaparate attempts to divide America the Beautiful. Please don’t let this happen.

You white devils are finally gonna pay for slavery! November 4, 2008 will be a GREAT day in history, marking the downfall of the most evil nation on earth!
God d@mn America!
Posted by: whiteygonapay | Oct 19, 2008 1:48:29 PM
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Just because you take your hood and sheet off in the dark doesn’t make you Black mister kkk. Now go back to chewing tobacco and dipping snuff.

I drop outa skule cuz it no fun so I aint unerstandin dis polatiks stuf but wen i here dat obama say he wanna spred dat wealth arownd dats wen i new he wuz getin my vote. gimme sum a dat rich whiteys mony cuz it aint no fare he rich an i aint

Is Obama socialist with his word “spread the wealth”, I found this article from Canada Free Press.
http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/5655
Posted by: Lisalynna | Oct 20, 2008 12:57:33 AM
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The republican party is a plutocracy. I’ll take Obama over that everytime.

Obama is the king of double speak with a forked tounge.
If a person who does NOT pay taxes gets federal money from his “tax cuts”….it IS socialism!!
You are free to become rich if you want. You are free to be a deadbeat. You do not have the right for the government to make a deadbeat rich.

Obama calls tax cuts welfare? That’s the exact reason why democrats should never win elections. To a democrat your income really belongs to the government and the portion they allow you to keep is a gift from them. Welfare. I have news for Obama, tax cuts for people or companies is just government TAKING LESS of income EARNED by businesses and people. They’re not giving anyone anything.

To everyone following this: “taxpolicycenter.org” is an independant website for tax policy that EVEN FOX NEWS uses for unbiased information on the candidates tax policies and they state that what Mccain is saying about Obama’s tax policies is FALSE.. If you want accurate and unbiased info that is the place to go. Also, “The National Federation of Independent Business”, “The Small Buisness Administration of America” as well as conservative leaning newspapers such as “Bloomberg Times”, “Wall Street Journal” and others are reporting that 95% of small buisnesses AND individuals make less than $250,000 per year and WILL NOT BE AFFECTED BY Obama’s tax plan. So if you want to support Mccain, “no matter what”, thats fine, but don’t perpetuate falsehoods about his tax plan. Its dishonest, it weakens our democracy and THAT is un-american.

I’m really doubting that Obama’s tax plan will really help America’s middle and lower class.
http://www.nevadapundit.wordpress.com/2008/10/20/what-obamas-tax-plan-means-to-the-middle-and-lower-class/

Keep looking through the keyhole at the world and elect John McCane. Then you next step should be to go and learn Chinese.

To the person who equated retiring at age 62 & then collecting Social Security with being a welfare bum — are you out of your mind? How dare you act like people who worked hard and paid into the Social Security their entire working life are somehow “on the dole” when they collect their SS — you only get an SS amount proportional to how much you worked, there is no “free” money being handed out. I knew Republicans equated public assistance (welfare) with socialism but now you are a socialist if you choose to retire after you are 60 and collect your Social Security benefits??

Apparently Obama thinks we are all stupid – Obama supporters are pretty dumb. When the government gives you a tax refund, when no tax was due what esle is but welfare. It is called a credit, a credit for what? What was done to earn a credit?