Obama Says John McCain of 2000 Would Not Approve of 2008 Incarnation, Praises Iowans for Vindicating his Faith

The John McCain of 2000 would not vote for the John McCain of 2008

I used to be a Barack Obama supporter, but Barack Obama is full of it. He thinks his campaigns talking points are facts. I guess he think the surge has failed, despite Sunni “awakening councils” killing Al-Quaeda terrorists who claim to be Sunni and the Shia government killing Iranian backed Sadrist militias who clain to be Shiite Muslims. I guess he thinks the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s a pretty good guy, just a bit misunderstood, like he said his racist white grandmother is. I guess he thinks Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and subprime mortgages to subprime borrowers who never were going to pay their loans back were a pretty “good idea.” I guess Barack Obama did the right think when he rejected limited public campaign finance for his “parallel public finance system” so he can dominate the conversation when he spews full-of-it bull like “John McCain is different from the John McCain of old” and “John McCain is just like George Bush.”

The Obama from 1996 was a member of the Socialist New Party.

“How radical is Barack Obama’s close friend, Rashid Khalidi?”
radical enough that McCain gave $900,000 to Khalidi’s organization.

Tonyd_3,
spare the obamabot crap. McCain is the same guy only running against obama, not Bush.

Jake, the Dallas morning news disputes they were ousted from Obamas campign plane due to their endorsement of McCain. If they disp[ute it, Im sure you will as well???

*****OBAMA – PROMISED AND VOWED TO USE PUBLIC FUNDING FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, HE BROKE THAT PROMISE. HOW MANY MORE WILL HE BREAK.
GLASS HOUSES

Barack Obama got 38% of the 227,000 Iowa caucus voters. That’s about 86,000 people. After that night, outlets like MSNBC started predicting Hillary Clinton would pull out of the race. She had gotten 29% of the votes, or 65,830 people.
With a difference between them of about 20,000 people, the legend of Obama was born. From that moment, Obama would go on to win the primary based on caucuses and Super delegates. Votes would be created for him out of thin air from the primary states of Michigan and Florida. $600 Million of donations would be given, almost half from unrevealed small donors, and from a website with no checks on credit cards or citizenship.
A whole new way of doing democracy, indeed.

‘I will not take the low road to the highest office in the land.’ Those words were spoken eight years ago by my opponent, John McCain. But the high road didn’t lead him to the White House then, so this time, he decided to take a different route. ” Oh Lord this man is good. This is exactly what has made me so sick about McCain. I have not always agreed with him but I respected him and probably would have voted for him. But this guy that is out there campaigning now breaks my heart. I have been voting since 1980 and I have never seena anything like the nastiness and hostilities generated by the MCCain Campaign. I really do not understand especially since they theyselves were victims in 200 of the same nastiness. Since Sarah Palin has come on board, The level of hostilities and divisivness has been incrediable. I have been accused of not being patriotic(American), being ignorant, being brain washed and even at my own church by one woman bound for hell on the fast train because I voted for Obama. NEVER in my life have I experienced anything like this.

“The Democratic Party of 2000 would not recognizer the Democratic Party of 2008.”
you mean as “winners”?

The McCain is as out of fresh ideas as his Campaign is. When “The One” nickname came up on FOX in August of this year, I thought it was funny. Three months later, it’s just sad, like a knock-knock joke told over and over and over again. This indicates to me McCain supporters are as creativly bankrupt as his campaign is.
There better be some better names for Obama between now and then or I’m voting Democratic. On second thought, I may still vote for McCain. Democrats mocking Republicans is apparently funnier stuff!

Frank -” OBAMA – PROMISED AND VOWED TO USE PUBLIC FUNDING FOR HIS CAMPAIGN, HE BROKE THAT PROMISE. HOW MANY MORE WILL HE BREAK” I refer you the the article above and also ask you to recall that somewhere a while back in the election year (has it only been a year) McCain repeated this promise. Boy how things hove changed.

So you McCainiac’s think Obama should have pasted on $250 million or so dollars because McCain “wanted” him to. That would have made him as big a fool as McCain, now wouldn’t it.
I don’t want another fool as president, if I did I’d vote for McSame/Failin.

HERO
Why weren’t the 3 reporters on the John McCain airplane to begin with? Who cares if he ousted them anyway? It’s his campaign plane in the first place. I’m sure it was his advisors who made that decision. If you only have so many seats, he should be able to decide who is sitting in them. Isn’t it time to stop all the MUD SLINGING??? GEEEEZZZZ!!!

jrock5
its simple really
mccain doesnt talk about any policies and the only thing he talks about is how horrible obama is…
he talks about khalidis association to obama, but not his own ties to khalidi
he attacks obama with ayers, but ignores his own ties to radicals like liddy and charles keating
his whole campaign is about smearing obama and not about the issues
this is why john mccain is being called out on his dirty dishonest campaign
and yes, i will bring up that sex ed ad because john mccain has been running 100% false ads to vilify obama…
you can read that sex ed bill all you want and it doesnt say we will teach grade 12 sex ed to kindergartners…
it says we will teach kids appropriate awarness
the kindergartners will be taught about how to be safe from sexual predators
if that is a bad thing then you are mental.
Mccain hasnt ran a wright ad, but a pac that donates to him sure is, they just bought national air time for the remaining 4 days…
mccain is pathetic
and yes the democratic party of 2000 and 2004 wouldnt recognize the democratic party of 2008 because we are actually hitting back we are actually not letting the dirty republicans steam roll us with horrible lies and smears
we arent throwing the first punch but we are throwing the last

” John McCain took nothing, not one dime, not one nickle from anyone except the American taxpayers’ public finance system”
That’s because he has 527 groups (lobbyists) and special-interest PACs, the financiers of the GOP. (Obama has none.)

“John McCain took nothing, not one dime, not one nickle from anyone except the American taxpayers’ public finance system”
This of course shows you do not understand the public finance system and matching contributions. Nor do you understand that McCain can raise money for certain campaign expenses. Nor do you seem to know that the RNC is permitted to spend unlimited amount on McCain’s behalf.
Ignorance shown by right wingers pretending to be Clinton supporters for McCain is astounding.

Jenny Rome Ga:
Thanks for standing up for Obama. At least we know we are not the party that incites hatred towards our fellow countrymen.

“The McCain of 2000 was busy fighting against the smears being spread against him by the same people he now employs to smear Obama.”
Someone of those people smeared his own daughter.
How could he hire someone who smeared his own daughter?

McCain camp would not agree to restict the 527s nor PACs on campaign advertising. That’s why Obama cut of the talks.
Smart move.
And, if McCain had the ground game Obama has, he’da opted out of public financing as well. But he didn’t and now all you freepers can do is whine alng with him.
LMAO

Ryan -Excellant point. What has happened to this man?

Bhrandon
I guess I’ll take these one at a time…
- “mccain doesnt talk about any policies and the only thing he talks about is how horrible obama is…”
McCain does indeed talk about policies. Energy independence, not raising taxes, legislation for special needs children, and winning in Iraq come to mind immediately. As far as “how horrible Obama is” I think it is fair to say that in political campaigns that is something that happens. Obama has said that McCain has “lost his bearings,” he is “erratic,” he claimed that McCain called Hispanics “stupid.” That is some pretty ugly stuff too. It happens, McCain can take a hit; apparently Obama and his sensitive supporters can not.
“he talks about khalidis association to obama, but not his own ties to khalidi”
– If Obama would like to mention McCain’s ties, he is free to do so. In vact he has done so, dedicating an entire website to the Keating relationship. I don’t recall any Republicans gnashing their teeth over that.
“he attacks obama with ayers, but ignores his own ties to radicals like liddy and charles keating”
– see above. In addition, I don’t think the Keating relationship (which was formally investigated and which officially exonerated McCAin, concerns many people. As for Liddy, again, Obama is free to state a case but I don’t think Liddy is quite as bothersome as an avowed communist and terrorist who has bombed his own country
“his whole campaign is about smearing obama and not about the issues”
– this is a simple restatement of what you have already said three times
Finally, on sex ed — it is clear that you have heard Obama’s defense of his support of the bill, but it is also clear you have not read the bill. Read it. Then have and informed discussion.

We all know John McCain traded his soul for the party nomination
a party who thought 8 years ago President Bush was better than McCain.. I’ll take their word for it!
Yes we can
Yes we are
Yes we will
On November 5th.. yes we did!
Obama/Biden 08

So stop trying to make excuses for your
candidate’s broken promises. Who knows where millions of Obama campaign funds come from, since his campaign turned off teh security that would have prevented donations from prepaid cards, fake addresses and names, etc. This allows unscrupulous people to skirt campaign finance laws, laws that McCain helped to write because he wants to have fair and honest campaign financing be the norm. This is being done with the cooperation of the Obama operation. Why? Nothing benign about the Obama decision to skip public financing.
Posted by: moderate | Oct 31, 2008 3:28:43 PM
*you’re just mad bc McCain is losing.
Talking about broken promises what about the Robocalls and negative campaigning John McCain denounced? Now its okay because he’s losing right?
Selling your soul to the devil (GOP) never works!

CHANGE…In the late 1950′s most Cubans thought Cuba needed “a change” and they were right. So when a young, dynamic leader came along, every Cuban was at least receptive. When the young leader spoke eloquently and passionately and denounced the old system, the press fell in love with him. They never questioned who his friends were or what he really believed in. He said he would help the farmers and the poor and bring free medical care and education to all, and everyone followed. He said he would bring justice and equality to all, and everyone said “Praise the Lord!” The young leader said, “I will be for change and I’ll bring you change,” and everyone yelled, “Viva Fidel!” But by the time the executioner’s guns went silent, the people’s guns had been taken away. By the time everyone was equal, they were equally poor, hungry, and oppressed. By the time everyone received their free education it was worth nothing. By the time the press noticed, it was too late, because they were now working for him. By the time “the change” was finally implemented Cuba had been knocked down a couple of notches to Third-World status. By the time the change was over more than a million people had taken to boats, rafts, and inner tubes. Luckily, we in America would never fall for a young leader who promised change without asking, “what change?” Would we?

“McCain does indeed talk about policies. Energy independence, not raising taxes, legislation for special needs children, and winning in Iraq come to mind immediately.”
But he hasn’t said anything new.. just Bush policies… AMERICA IS TRYING TO DITCH THE BUSH POLICIES DON’T YOU GOPers understand? We don’t want those wack policies John McCain keeps talking about! He’s hasn’t said anything NEW.. wheres the innovation? the leadership? competence? intelligence?
I like new ideas.. not old ones.. we’re in the 21st century.. step into it~!

Blindhowlin:
MaCain never said Obama is a Muslim. It is Obama’s name that makes people think he is a Muslim. Nobody’s fault.

McCain/Palin rally speaches are one-liners and Obama attacks non-stop!
Obama spoke for 30 minutes the other evening and didn’t mention McCain once…remarkable.
Defiance Ohio rally, McCain had to break the school district’s bylaws and bus in 4000 school kids just so he’d have a respectable crowd. How funny is that?!?!?

I was so proud to be an American that night. I stood proud to be able to vote for Obama that night. I still stand proud. Thank you Obama for running a great race this past 2 years. I will be very proud again when I check you name on November 4th.
Posted by: becky | Oct 31, 2008 3:34:15 PM
As am I Becky. I was just talking w/ some women at work who are all excited to vote for Obama too! I’m happy you’re happy and I’m happy too! It’s nice to see someone carries the same faith that I do! May God bless you, your family, & your future endeavors =)

Don’t believe the polls.
Internals show a dead heat in Iowa.
Notice BO is there?
BO wants us to believe this is over so we won’t go out and vote.
Don’t fall for his campaign of lies and intimidation.
Posted by: sam | Oct 31, 2008 3:36:04 PM
* then what in the world is McCain doing in VA? The polls mean something…

Do your homework. Stop relying on biased “facts” from websites from EITHER Obama or McCain. Use data from the US Census to get population and income levels. If only the 1.6 million families making over $250K per year pay for Obama’s $1.2 trillion spending package, each family will receive a $750,000 tax bill, on top of what they are already paying. There are not enough people in this group to spread out the bill. This means the income level has to be lowered to include the middle class to pay the $1.2 trillion.

McCain/Palin rally speaches are one-liners and Obama attacks non-stop!
Obama spoke for 30 minutes the other evening and didn’t mention McCain once…remarkable.
Defiance Ohio rally, McCain had to break the school district’s bylaws and bus in 4000 school kids just so he’d have a respectable crowd. How funny is that?!?!?
Posted by: Bob | Oct 31, 2008 3:35:02 PM
** ha ha also do you remember when the republicans were lying about how many people were at their rallies? lol I thought that was funny too! It’s like they are begging people to come so they won’t look so bad lmao!

51 yr. old ret USAF vet here, voted ‘Bama this morning and gave another $50 yestidy!

It makes perfect sense that Obama will go as one of the Marx brothers tonight for Halloween.
He will take candy from the kids that worked hard to earn it–and give it to those too lazy to get their own.
Get used to it America. Obama knows what is best for us.
McCain/Palin 08

jrock,
That is just the point…you know that what you just posted is not true. Aprogressive tax system does “spread the wealth” and there’s video of McCain supporting the same position as well as the socialist governor running for VP.
Nonetheless, “spread the wealth” is a term that the elite rich leadership glommed onto to flog their pathetically ignorant base to do just what you’re doing.

If you are going to say McCAin and Bush are the same, you ought to at least have some facts on your side.
** 90% is all I need to know to figure out they are the same! How about you get some facts on YOUR SIDE??

“** & this makes it okay for the GOP to continue to say it even though its not true?!
Thats called being a follower not a leader. We need a party who’s ready to lead not impose thier biases on the World”
Correction — McCain has not once even hinted at the idea that Obama is a Muslim. In fact he has publicly denounced anybody who has. Yes, that is leadership.

The GOPers I have talked to in this blog site over the past month are all the same
Bill Ayers, Muslim, Tony Rezko, Michelle not being patriotic
But NONE of them have answered these questions I ask
1. where is osama bin laden
2. why are we still in Iraq even though they had no weapons of mass destruction
3. why did john mccain vote against the bush tax policies and now he’s for them
4. where did the real john mccain go
None of them EVER answer my questions~> O yeah they are true to their party. Their answers always consist of what Obama did and not what the GOPers did.. they can’t take responsibility for ruining the nation.

How would Barack know? He was still working for ACORN and race hustling then.

“** then why did McCain vote against the bush tax cuts?? he was against it before he was for it.. I really want that answer…”
McCain said at the time and since then that he voted against the cuts because they were not accompanied by cuts in spending. Sounds pretty responsible. Now he wants to keep them because letting them expire amounts to a tax raise and a bad time for tax raises.

** okay J Rock you can’t read either.. I said GOP not McCain
read then respond
read then respond
read then respond
Please name me one GOP operative, representative, or member who has said that Obama is a Muslim. In contrast, Clinton campaign workers sent out photos of Obama in Somali garb.

Paint,
you hit em with facts and they shut up.

Finally, on sex ed (again): READ THE BILL. If you want to educate children on good/bad touch introduce a bill along those lines. The Bill talked about “comprehensive sex ed.” Read it please…and from Obama’s own mouth (found on ABC website:
“ABC News’ Teddy Davis and Lindsey Ellerson Report: Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told Planned Parenthood Tuesday that sex education for kindergarteners, as long as it is “age-appropriate,” is “the right thing to do.”
“I remember Alan Keyes . . . I remember him using this in his campaign against me,” Obama said in reference to the conservative firebrand who ran against him for the U.S. Senate in 2004. Sex education for kindergarteners had become an issue in his race against Keyes because of Obama’s work on the issue as chairman of the health committee in the Illinois state Senate.
“‘Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,’” said Obama mimicking Keyes’ distinctive style of speech. “Which — I didn’t know what to tell him (laughter).”
“But it’s the right thing to do,” Obama continued, “to provide age-appropriate sex education, science-based sex education in schools.”
I’d love to continue this debate with all of you, but I have got to run to the store because my wife needs some brown sugar!
Final note — if Obama wins I will respect him and support the office. God bless America.

jrock5
Actually, this is what McCain about the Bush tax cuts at the time:
“I am disappointed that the Senate Finance Committee preferred instead to cut the top tax rate of 39.6% to 36%, thereby granting generous tax relief to the wealthiest individuals of our country at the expense of lower- and middle-income American taxpayers.” [McCain Senate floor statement, May 21, 2001]

sam: Nice try, I live in Des Moines Iowa… We are Obama all the way in this state, he is up by 14 points.
We will take him to the White House and we will be proud to do it!

Becky, they said he went to Iowa sorta as a thank you to the state for the support.
Good to knnow your campaign’s in the position to be gratuitous instead of scrambling for points.
McCain’s gotta campaign in AZ fer chrissakes!

Okay back..
My problem with “age-appropriate” is that I don’t want the government deciding what sexual content is appropriate for my 5 year-old daughter — and yes, I have a 5 year-old in public school. My wife and I are nowhere near addressing STD’s as the defeated bill would have legislated.
My bigger problem is “science-based.” That implies “comprehensive sex ed” and not good/bad touch.
As for Becky, please document that quote. I have followed Palin closely and never seen or heard that one. I am skeptical.
As for the ignorant lady at the McCain rally — first “Arab” is not the same as “Muslim,” so as a matter of fact I am still awaiting the news of one single GOP’er who has called him a Muslim. AS for that lady, McCain took the opportunity to correct her and say some very complimentary things about Obama. Class.
Finally, McCain on the Bush tax cuts:
“The difference between Governor Bush’s proposal and mine is that I put a whole lot of money into Social Security, Medicare and paying down the debt. He puts a whole lot of money into tax cuts…. Because we’d lay this obligation on another generation of young Americans—$3.6 trillion. At town hall meeting after town hall meeting, I have average Americans stand up to me and say to me, Senator McCain, all these years of running deficits, we’ve accumulated this debt. We’re paying more interest—as much interest, almost, on it as we are in spending on national defense. We ought to pay down that debt, and not saddle the next generation of young Americans with it…. Look, Alan Greenspan just recently said we shouldn’t have these massive tax cuts like Governor Bush is proposing. We should pay down the debt. But working families need the tax cut.”

jock59801…
Now that is an argument that is based on fact. Thank you for having some actual info. I will agree that McCain has offered more than one explanation for his opposition to the Bush tax cuts. It may be that he indeed had more than one reason for which he voted against them.
I would like to add that a progressive tax system is indeed different than Obama’s new idea. A progressive system simply taxes at different rates, with all the money going into the government revenues. From there, the $ pays down debt or pays for social programs or roads, etc.
Obama is literally taking the tax from the wealthy and giving that money to people who have not even paid an income tax. That is the difference between a progressive tax system and Socialism.

Please name me one GOP operative, representative, or member who has said that Obama is a Muslim.
Posted by: jrockn5 | Oct 31, 2008 3:53:06 PM
It was Andy Martin.
Origin & Evolution: On Aug. 10, 2004, shortly after Obama gave the keynote speech at the Democratic National Convention in Boston, “Internet journalist” and perennial Republican Senate candidate Andy Martin issued a press release alleging that Obama had “misrepresent[ed] his own heritage” and claiming, “His Muslim religion would obviously raise serious questions in many Jewish circles where Obama now enjoys support.” Few people, except for some members of right-wing forums, picked up Martin’s claims.

Becky, a link would be nice. If you are going to claim somebody is spreading false rumors, it would be the height of hypocrisy if you cannot provide a link to this statement.

Becky, nice try back atcha. A search of Nexis/Lexis, the CNN website, and the Fox website all fail to turn up any such statement. A google and a yahoo search turns up plenty of democrats ranting about republicans calling the man a muslim but no actual references to palin saying any such thing. Given the way the press loves to pounce on her every word (while just grinning over the latest installment of “oh that Joe” when Biden says anything controversial), such a statement by her would have been played over and over ad nauseum as part of their tiresome “oh, she’s so divisive and negative” meme.
Sorry, but telling me all those channels ran it does not convince me. Do you have a date or a location to aid me in my search for this quote? Yes, I’m serious. If I am wrong, I’ll say so. But I am supremely confident that I’m not wrong.

Well Becky? Pretty pathetic.
As for the rest of you, it has been fun! Thanks for the vigorous debate. Again, I hope that whoever wins this election, we can all respect the office of the President. I will do so for Obama should he win.
Seeya!

that seat on Obama’s plane has some special perks–you get each and every one of Obama’s press releases hot off Axelrod’s printers. Yay.

My wife is now really getting upset that I have been at this for like an hour. Gotta go!

Poor Republicans, always getting picked on.
Posted by: pefros | Oct 31, 2008 5:11:05 PM
Makes me want to go get a tissue to wipe away my tears..lol

I know some of you don’t think this is important, but to me John McCain does not look well physically, mentally or emotionally.
He looked dreadful during some of the debates – off balance and almost unhinged at times.
I will not be putting any of my fate into his hands.
And Sarah Palin has revealed herself as basically a soap opera character with little depth of intellect and a very one-dimensional, almost cartoon view of the world stage.
Again, I would not put any of my fate in her hands.
It’s a pathetic Republican ticket.
8 years of Republicans was enough. The electorate will be rightfully booting the Republicans out of office.
Landslide Democratic win despite all the attempt to use smear tactics during the next few days.

nevermind the uproar if Obama doesnt win, imagine the uproar of all the overzealous holier than though(but less holy than Obama) Imagine if Obnama doesnt have the money or decides to mderate on trying to bring in wholesale new programs but cuts existing ones and doesn bring the troops home but expands our troops use abroad… these ninis will come out of the woodwork

Sorry JG, McCain just doesn’t look like a well or well-balanced man to me, and Palin is a joke as a VP pick. She’s Bush II in female form:
* has difficulty stringing together a complete sentence if its not scripted for her
* the ‘you betcha’ – ‘we gonna smoke him out’ vocal mannerisms
* folksy down home image
* shallow breadth of world knowledge
* ambitious
* inarticulate
* calculating (see troopergate)
* vindictive (see troopergate)
When people first voted for Bush they thought he was folksy and down home, a washington outsider who wanted to make goverment smaller and get government out of the way of the people . . .
Surely, we don’t have to buy that pap again in female form.

moderate for all your education, you overlooked the most important parts.
Palin can not string together a complete sentence unless its scripted for her.
Her depth of knowledge of world affairs is pitifully shallow.
She is calculating and vindictive (see the Troopergate report).
And of course, like Bush . . . she talks with ‘God’.
Another dangerous extremist in a ‘folksy’ package.

oh jorock5, I hate to break it to you – but it is on the RNC website. The muslim/Obama rumor. They have broken a very, very shaky article into about 20 separate quotes (don’t ask why) and put it right on their website. The article was based on a bottom feeder of the blogophere. Maybe THE bottom feeder – levels below Drudge. No evidence. No contacts. No interviews. Just whatever the blogger happened to think that day. A nice but obviously ethics-challeged LA Times reporter picked it up and voila! It is fact. Now it’s in McCain speeches, Palin speeches, hate rallies and…. the RNC website. What a classy bunch. I hope they invite the bottom feeder to their next convention. As a keynote speaker – because that individual is a real representative of what the GOP has become.

McCain didn’t take the low road. The media and Obama have just been saying that as often as they can get away with it. If anything, I think he and his campaign should seriously be faulted for not pressing hard enough for all the facts to be heard.
The Pew Research Center found that 70% of the public sees the media as pulling for Obama (“Most Voters Say News Media Wants Obama to Win”). That poll typically finds more Americans than not seeing a liberal bias in favor of Democrats in Presidential election coverage, but it’s an unusually high number.
The media has been an extension of Obama’s campaign. It’s as simple as that. There isn’t enough time or space here to even begin to list all the instances of biases. Here’s just one issue, to start: The $700 billion bailout. The sub-prime housing crisis was caused by business and government failures – Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac were “government-sponsored enterprises” – government-sponsored businesses. You only hear about the failure of the business side, though, not the one on the government end of it. If you think that government should be strict about regulating ordinary businesses, then you would doubly expect it to be Congress’ job to police these “GSE’s,” since they were part government to begin with. But you didn’t hear about that. It’s all about Reagan and Republicans and deregulation and Wall Street. But Democrats also didn’t want the gravy train of FM/FM stopped. Here’s some background on the government role in the crisis: “Who Caused the Economic Crisis?” (Factcheck), “Fannie Mae and the Vast Bipartisan Conspiracy,” (Slate), “How Washington Failed to Rein In Fannie, Freddie” (Washington Post). Those articles are each very informative, but their most basic facts should have been told in all the media. People heard far, far more about the probe into Sarah Palin firing Walter Monegan than they have about Congress’ failure to protect them, at a dollar cost of $700 billion. Congress has gotten away scott-free with its part in this mess because Congress includes Democrats, and the media reporting on its actions would ruin the Democrats’ ability to point their fingers at Republicans. The media cares so much about the public that it isn’t willing to let them hear about half the source of this crisis. A few other very informative articles: an editorial from the Providence (RI) Journal: “Dodd and Frank, step down.” Interestingly, Frank, who pushed hard for Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac, even when, the Journal editorial notes, it was clear that a crisis could be developing, now says, “We made a mistake as a society in promoting homeownership as a universal achievable goal,” (“Frank now calls homeownership emphasis ‘a mistake,’” Belmont Citizen-Herald). And The Hartford Courant wrote this editorial, “If Not Now, When?” calling on Sen. Dodd to release documents related to loans he received from Countrywide Financial, which played a role in the sub-prime mess. When asked about releasing the documents, he said, “Not right now, no.” His aide said he’s gonna do it, sometime. Why so little coverage of all these things?

Ah, pefros, don’t worry about me. I have not overlooked anything, despite your show of concern. You wrote: ”
moderate for all your education, you overlooked the most important parts.”
Then you trotted out your usual list: “Palin can not string together a complete sentence unless its scripted for her.” You mean like the allegedly amazing orator, Sen. um um ah Obama? Sorry, we will agree to disagree here, I suppose. In just the past week, I have seen Sarah Palin speaking in interviews with everyone from Greta van Sustren (or however you spell her name) to 20/20, and she was articulate, humorous, and warm.
Then you toss out “Her depth of knowledge of world affairs is pitifully shallow.” Really? Because Tina Fey created the “I can see Russia from my house” image? The actual Gov. Palin is not shallow in her knowledge base. Does she have the depth of knowledge of world affairs that McCain and Biden do? Not at this moment, but then, neither does Barack Obama. (He still needs someone to explain Columbia to him, as evidenced by his debate answers, and he botched his initial response to the Russian invasion of Georgia, for example) And deeper knowledge does not always trump superior instincts– Biden knows a lot, or so they tell me, but much of what he knows is wrong. He voted against the FIRST Gulf War (the one to liberate Kuwait, remember?) and for the second Iraq War and wants to partition Iraq into three countries (hi, remember the balkans?) That’s just how wrong-headed he was on a single country. There are plenty more. So at the BOTTOM of the ticket, not the top, I’ll take Sarah’s serviceable knowledge base and her world view and her good poltical instincts and her ability to learn from McCain and his advisors over Biden any day.
What next? “She is calculating and vindictive (see the Troopergate report).” Well, as often with such political ‘scandals’ there are multiple sides to this story and how one interprets the results of that report depends on how one views Gov. Palin going in, I think. I saw no vindictiveness. And funny, what is seen as ‘astuteness’ in a male politician is so often seen as ‘calculation’ in a female, just as ‘cerebral’ becomes ‘cold’ and ‘ambitious’ becomes ‘grasping.’ (Ask Hillary)
Then you manage to insult a whole bunch of folks, a la your candidate Sen. Barack “they cling to their guns and their religion” Obama, by writing: ”
And of course, like Bush . . . she talks with ‘God’.” Um, I seem to recall that most of our presidents have been religious men who prayed regularly, considered worship an essential part of their lives, and were not ashamed to call upon God for guidance and support. FDR led the nation in prayer during WWII, I have a dim recollection from my history classes. Jimmy Carter was one of our most openly religious presidents. What on earth is wrong about “talking with God.” And why on earth did you write “God” in quotation marks? Ah, well.
Your conclusion: “Another dangerous extremist in a ‘folksy’ package.” Sorry, she’s not an extremist and there’s nothing wrong with what you continue to demean as “folksy” but what I consider “having the common touch” and “down to earth,” a la Ronald Reagan.

E. Green, you wrote:
“You forget. Bush, the Republican, had the power of veto which he used against the Democrats.”
All I’m saying is that the economic crisis just didn’t come about because of Wall St., capitalism and Republican policies. And the Democrats had a big hand in the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac crisis, perhaps a bigger one than Republicans but certainly no smaller, but the public just hasn’t heard that. Just because there’s an election doesn’t mean some things shouldn’t be reported. ALL of Congress and the President had the responsibility of watching over FM and FM. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were not ordinary businesses, like Bear Sterns, Merrill Lynch, or Countrywide, they had a government side, like NASA and FEMA (which are wholly government). They were a mix. That’s why our politicians had a very, very direct role to play. And alarm bells were going off for years. Read the editorial I mentioned that says Dodd and Frank (Democrats) should resign, which talks of some of this. Is there any explanation of why the media hasn’t talked about the government side of the failure, holding our politicans who were responsible accountable, or even just mentioning that they had the responsibility? I don’t think the public has been educated about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
“And…. McCain, Republican, agreed with Bush 90% of the time.”
If I believed that the Democrats were better leaders, I’d vote for them.
“You also forget that the media had catered to McCain long before Obama came along.”
I don’t know how much the media actually catered to him. They may have liked it that he seemed less Republican than other Republicans on some things. But now they seem to have found someone they like much better.
“McCain has run a very negative campaign. He has consistently repeated lies concerning Obama, even after they had been proven false. He contantly repeats gossip from gutter websites, not carng whether the garage was true or not.”
On Bill Moyers’ PBS show, there’s a frequent liberal commentator on the campaign and in my view she’s not unbiased, but she has pointed out that negative talk and “attacks” aren’t wrong. They’re part of democracy. Leaders in undemocratic countries suppress all unfavorable information. Here, Obama and McCain aren’t going to criticize themselves. They also aren’t going to report negative information on themselves. Criticism may be tough, but it’s not unhealthy, and it’s up to the media and the opposing candidate to bring up what the candidate himself won’t. And how many times has Obama said something about McCain that wasn’t positive, and in place of just talking positively about his own plans and beliefs? Should he stop saying that McCain is like Bush, even saying that McCain dresses up like Bush for Halloween, because that’s negative? And that it’s negative is undeniable. Or should he stop saying that he thinks Republicans divide America? That’s negative. Obama frequently mentioned McCain and Republicans, and what he says is rarely positive. It doesn’t just count as “negative” when the negative is about Obama, does it?
I’ve also looked into many of the claims that McCain has made against Obama, as well as many other troubling things about Obama that the campaign hasn’t mentioned. McCain has had to mention some of these things because the media, which should talk about them, hasn’t. And whenever something unfavorable about Obama comes to light, Obama stonewalls and the media defends and covers up for him. For example, the tapes where Obama talked about the Constitution and redistribution of wealth. In them, he talked positively about achieving “redistributive change” through legislators, like Congress, and not the courts. “Maybe I’m showing my bias here as a legislator as well as a law professor. I’m not optimistic about bringing about major redistributive change through the courts. The institution just isn’t structured that way.” He also said it’s the Constitution that has hampered the Courts from bringing about that change (which was the problem the Civil Rights Movement encountered):
“But the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth and sort of more basic issues of political and economic justice in this society. And to that extent as radical as people tried to characterize the Warren court, it wasn’t that radical. It didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted, and the Warren court interpreted it in the same way that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf. And that hasn’t shifted.”
Obama was clearly for that radical reinterpretation of the Constitution which he mentions. The Warren Court, he said “didn’t break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the founding fathers in the Constitution, at least as it’s been interpreted.” “At least as it’s been interpreted” is only how it has been interpreted by every court ever since it was written, up until this day. If some radical court used their imaginations, they might invent some things that aren’t there, but that isn’t what courts have done in all our country’s history. If you want the Constitution to change, the proper way to do is to see if you can amend it. Judges shouldn’t sneak in things that they personally believe should be in there.

I would like to know what was objectionable about my post today at 1:50:07 p.m. that it was removed. It contains no links nor offensive language. It covered the fact that the sub-prime housing mess was partially caused by Congress, and that people haven’t been informed on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac’s public and private nature. It also mentioned that “negative” campaigning is simply how we find out anything about the candidates, since they won’t volunteer the information, and that Obama frequently talks of McCain, and his comments are almost always “negative.” Then it discusses the tapes surfacing this week in which Obama talked about the Constitution and “redistributive change.” Through his own statements, it showed that he favored it, but just didn’t think it would work through the courts because of the Constitution. It also shows through his comments that he spoke of possibly interpreting the Constitution as no court, including the Warren Court, has ever interpreted it, when he talks about “at least as it’s been interpreted.”