Oct 5, 2008 7:40am

Obama to Pre-emptively Attack McCain

With the news that the McCain campaign is launching a full assault on Obama’s associates, preparedness, and judgment in a TV ad campaign to start Wednesday — as detailed in this morning’s Washington Post — the Obama campaign is planning a pre-emptive assault on the TV airwaves to start Monday.

Gov. Sarah Palin got the ball rolling this morning, going after Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., for his association with Professor William Ayers, a former member of the radical group the Weather Underground, saying Obama "is someone who sees America it seems as being so imperfect, imperfect enough that he’s palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."

The McCain campaign said that its new TV ads would focus on Obama’s associations with Ayers and real estate developer Tony Rezko, recently convicted on corruption charges.

"We are looking for a very aggressive last 30 days," McCain adviser Greg Strimple told the Post.  "We are looking forward to turning a page on this financial crisis and getting back to discussing Mr. Obama’s aggressively liberal record and how he will be too risky for Americans."

The Obama campaign plans on taking Strimple’s expressed desire to "turn…a page on this financial crisis" against McCain, to characterize all attacks on Obama as desperation to change the subject.

As first reported by Politico’s Mike Allen Saturday evening, Obama has a new TV ad, too, that says: "Three quarters of a million jobs lost this year. Our financial system in turmoil. And John McCain? Erratic in a crisis. Out of touch on the economy. No wonder his campaign wants to change the subject. ‘Turn the page on the financial crisis’ by launching dishonorable, dishonest ‘assaults’ against Barack Obama. Struggling families can’t turn the page on this economy, and we can’t afford another president who is this out of touch."

– jpt

User Comments

McCain + Desperate = NASTY and DIRTY
Brace yourself AMERICA It is going to get UGLY!
He can not win on the issues so he resorts to this.

Posted by: C A Wren | October 5, 2008, 8:00 am 8:00 am

McGerotol/Pitbull has NO AGENDA FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! NO CONCRETE PLAN FOR AMERICA PEOPLE!!! Continue the BUSH/CHENEY PLAN OF LIES = McGEROTOL/PITBULL PLAN OF LIES!!! DISTORT, LIE & COVER UP THE TRUTH!!
OBAMA/BIDEN08

Posted by: sisterdearest09 | October 5, 2008, 8:04 am 8:04 am

McCain and Palin would be a nightmare.
In the beginning the only problem I had was their lack of policies but instead of lying them out for me they just shovel this crap to everyone!

Posted by: Brian | October 5, 2008, 8:05 am 8:05 am

This will backfire big time , i hope they keep it up . After this came out Barack went from 7 point up to 8 .
The citizens are not fool , everyone knows when you are staying away from pressing ISSUES and going out to SMEAR with LIES . YOU are more of the SAME and have NO SOLUTION.
BYE BYE GRANPA Simson and Igloo barbie… 4 weeks left and you will BE VOTED OFF the ISLAND , We can’t say it was nice KNOWING YOU.

Posted by: sue | October 5, 2008, 8:06 am 8:06 am

Obama should go after McCain on his involvement in Charles Keating scandal,
his association with Phil Gramm, etc.

Posted by: mara sindoni | October 5, 2008, 8:07 am 8:07 am

McGerotol/Pitbull = No Agenda! No Real Plan! Grasping at Lipstick!!!

Posted by: sisterdearest09 | October 5, 2008, 8:08 am 8:08 am

McCain can’t win on policy so he’s throwing the kitchen sink (again) at Obama to see what sticks. Haven’t we been through this before? If the American people are able to THINK on a deeper level they will understand what this is about – desperation – and not fall for this latest attempt to change the subject, which is that McCain is losing because he has made very, very bad decisions, the least of which is choosing a totally unprepared and unequipped running mate.

Posted by: counting crows | October 5, 2008, 8:09 am 8:09 am

McSAME-McPALIN—Same b.s. No solutions to AMERICA problems, so attack,attack,attack with fear tactics. Not this time REPUBLICIANS.Lets talk about the issues and not smear campaigning. But I forgot [thats all the REPUBLICIANS know how to do with their ROVE tactics}.LETS TALKS ABOUT KEATING 5—TROOPERGATE—SMALL TOWN 20 MILLION IN DEBT FROM MISMANAGEMENT. MAVERICKS THEY NOT!

Posted by: READY99 | October 5, 2008, 8:14 am 8:14 am

No Obama.. it is not desperation to change the subject. You, with the help of the main stream media have changed the subject successfully since Spring. Now is the time to bring up the reality of your past to see who you really are. Something the media never afforded the American people. So go ahead.. whine, complain and be the baby that you are. We deserve to know the real Obama so we can then NOT VOTE FOR YOU.
McCain/Palin
True Americans

Posted by: ml | October 5, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am

So is this terrorist pal of Barack in jail, or is he on the FBI list? are they watching him closely? is this going to be the way McCain wants to win this election? calling people terrorists, scare the voters? forget the fact that for the last year joe-six pack has been losing jobs, and for the past eight years this country has been spinning it’s wheels in the mud, the republicans have no other card to play but the scare card, come November, I will NOT be voting republican, they had their chance….

Posted by: Paul | October 5, 2008, 8:16 am 8:16 am

As far back as I can think – to JFK at least – no Democratic presidential has run a smear campaign, as we’ve seen George W. Bush and, now, John McCain do.
Is this the only thing the GOP has to offer?
Will the American public fall for this again? I’m afraid they might and we could wind up with Sarah Palin as VP or worse…
Come on fellow Americans: wake up!

Posted by: Paul L | October 5, 2008, 8:20 am 8:20 am

Great strategy by the McCain camp to energize Obama’s larger base against his smaller base. Plus I am sure Independents will be impressed with a man who looks like an old pathetic back stabbing, bitter and desperate loser. To have your unqualified running mate basically call a fellow United State Senator a terrorist is crossing the line.

Posted by: jim | October 5, 2008, 8:21 am 8:21 am

McCain be prepared to
witness what the power of
money does.
Sen. Obama has more money
than God and the flow of it
still goes on!

Posted by: FM | October 5, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am

This is all going to backfire. Professor Ayers never killed an innocent person. The same cannot be said about McCain.
“Terrorism is wrong, whether committed by an individual fanatic or by a government” = Bill Ayers

Posted by: Mike | October 5, 2008, 8:24 am 8:24 am

McCain has brought out his attack dog to attempt to stir the closet-racist sentiment which is lying just below the surface in middle America.
I pray this strategy won’t work.
It’s time America votes for someone with an IQ over 75.

Posted by: Fred M | October 5, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am

McCain wants a witch hunt. Hes old enough to remember them. Ayers may have been a radical in his day, but he apparently has tried to change his ways. Hes more educated than Mcsame thats for sure. I dont think Mcsame has a doctorate. Lets leave this guy alone, especially considering there is no evidence whatsoever that Obama and him have spoken more than a few times.

Posted by: Fairfax | October 5, 2008, 8:26 am 8:26 am

She is a big terrorist for McCain!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Noideayet | October 5, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

Mike, you hit the nail on the head.
McWar will kill at least another 4,180 Americans. If they bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran as McCain wants to, the nukular war his starts could kill millions of Americans.
Terrifying? Terrorist? John McCain.
Even more terrifying? His successor in 2009, Sarah Palin.

Posted by: clifton | October 5, 2008, 8:28 am 8:28 am

TO THE REPUBLICIANS IDIOTS—If OBAMA has terriosts ties, would you think the CIA and FBI would had expose this so-called threat to AMERICA. What a bunch of idiots.FEAR AND SMEAR TACTICS IS ALL YOU IDIOTS GOT.

Posted by: READY99 | October 5, 2008, 8:29 am 8:29 am

maybe obama should bring up –treasones mccain –refer to when he broadcast propaganda against the usa—–you know the north vietnamese–the guys he is so friendly with today—what a vile scumbag.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 8:30 am 8:30 am

If America falls for the McCain/Palin tactics this time arond, then about 50% of them deserve the downward spiral of what was once a proud nation. But what about the other 50%? Look folks, make sure you get out and vote on election day! Vote against smears, vote for hope.

Posted by: frank burns | October 5, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am

Its so sad to see McCain this way stoop to this level, he is going against everything he said leading into this race about being civil and sticking to the issues .And NOW he is in line to lose whatever self respect he has left.
john McCain wants to be president so bad he put the country at risk and pick palin, that all you need to know to sum up his desperation.
he does have to return to congress and it can be a lonely place when you step out of line, no wonder he can’t cant even look at Barack in the face.this is some nasty stuff they are pulling.

Posted by: eric | October 5, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am

Visit therealmccain and understand why McCain is too dangerous to allow to be president. Just go look for yourself!

Posted by: JJ | October 5, 2008, 8:34 am 8:34 am

McCain has nothing, NOTHING, and nothing else left than this old-new gamble: frontal attack on Obama. Obama should focus on Americans’ challenges. He has also to response by bringing up Charles Keating scandal.

Posted by: Greg Gorede | October 5, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am

I am laughing at the person who said no democrat has run a smear campaign? What do you think that Obama did to Hillary? Calling everyone that goes against him a racist?

Posted by: Democrats No More | October 5, 2008, 8:35 am 8:35 am

everyone who has posted above and written basically garbage should be ashamed of themselves.. whatever happened to debating respectfully? contrary views and ideas…
as for the current state of the race. we have been on such a roller coaster ride that to predict anything 4 weeks before the election is mad, and reminds me of the belmont stakes … a sure winner , and the sure thing lost….
personally – obama for me does not have the experience.. it should have been hillary who i would have voted for. as such i have to vote for the lesser of two evils in my eyes and that is mccain..

Posted by: SOKADIJA | October 5, 2008, 8:36 am 8:36 am

we know the vile lier you are mccain—-take responsibility for your last 8 years of votes—95%IN FAVOR WITH BUSH—TELL YOUR VILE BS LIES TO SOMEONE ELSE—even the uneducated are wise to the scumbag.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 8:37 am 8:37 am

Go see new Obama ad “This Year” — very good!
Three quarters of a million jobs lost this year. Our financial system in turmoil.
And John McCain? Erratic in a crisis. Out of touch on the economy.
No wonder his campaign’s announced a plan to “turn a page on the financial crisis”…distract with dishonest, dishonorable “assaults” against Barack Obama.
Struggling families can’t turn the page on this economy…and we can’t afford another President who’s this out of touch.

Posted by: jc | October 5, 2008, 8:38 am 8:38 am

Here comes the Rove doctrine..
lie, smear, swift boat
well not this time McSame

Posted by: Gus | October 5, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am

More than half of the whopping $426.9 million Barack Obama has raised has come from small donors whose names the Obama campaign won’t disclose.
And questions have arisen about millions more in foreign donations the Obama campaign has received that apparently have not been vetted as legitimate.
Federal law does not require the campaigns to identify donors who give less than $200 during the election cycle. However, it does require that campaigns calculate running totals for each donor and report them once they go beyond the $200 mark.
Surprisingly, the great majority of Obama donors never break the $200 threshold.
“Contributions that come under $200 aggregated per person are not listed,” said Bob Biersack, a spokesman for the FEC. “They don’t appear anywhere, so there’s no way of knowing who they are.”
The FEC breakdown of the Obama campaign has identified a staggering $222.7 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less. Only $39.6 million of that amount comes from donors the Obama campaign has identified.
In a letter dated June 25, 2008, the FEC asked the Obama campaign to verify a series of $25 donations from a contributor identified as “Will, Good” from Austin, Texas.
Mr. Good Will listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You.”
A Newsmax analysis of the 1.4 million individual contributions in the latest master file for the Obama campaign discovered 1,000 separate entries for Mr. Good Will, most of them for $25.
In total, Mr. Good Will gave $17,375.
Following this and subsequent FEC requests, campaign records show that 330 contributions from Mr. Good Will were credited back to a credit card. But the most recent report, filed on Sept. 20, showed a net cumulative balance of $8,950 — still well over the $4,600 limit.
There can be no doubt that the Obama campaign noticed these contributions, since Obama’s Sept. 20 report specified that Good Will’s cumulative contributions since the beginning of the campaign were $9,375.
Similarly, a donor identified as “Pro, Doodad,” from “Nando, NY,” gave $19,500 in 786 separate donations, most of them for $25. For most of these donations, Mr. Doodad Pro listed his employer as “Loving” and his profession as “You,” just as Good Will had done.
But in some of them, he didn’t even go this far, apparently picking letters at random to fill in the blanks on the credit card donation form. In these cases, he said he was employed by “VCX” and that his profession was “VCVC.”
And then there are the overseas donations — at least, the ones that we know about.

Posted by: Democrats No More | October 5, 2008, 8:39 am 8:39 am

palin has the experience—approx 1 year as governer and smothered with scandal—-what a freaking idiot—-tell us about the bridge to nowhere—–troopergate troopergate—–this woman is as much a scumbag as mccain.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am

I’m supposed to be scared of an elderly hippie, but not the religious fanatic sociopath trying to take over my country through the VP seat? If that fake-accented walking sound bite gets in, she’ll be in the Oval Office faster than you can look up “melanoma” on Wikipedia.
And a Palin Administration would be exactly like the Bush Administration, minus any decency, honesty and self-restraint.
Thanks, but no thanks. Not Palin, not Mccain, no way.

Posted by: Brendan | October 5, 2008, 8:40 am 8:40 am

should have been hillary who i would have voted for. as such i have to vote for the lesser of two evils in my eyes and that is mccain..
Posted by: SOKADIJA | Oct 5, 2008 8:36:49 AM
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why were you going to vote for Hillary, exactly? only because she was female? or only because she was married to Bill?

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 8:41 am 8:41 am

SOKADIJA: Obama doesn’t have the experience but palin does? Because if you vote for mccain, you’re getting palin. statistically, it’s quite likely.

Posted by: Charlotte | October 5, 2008, 8:42 am 8:42 am

I am from Illinois, BO is worthless. He does have associations with Ayers, Wright, Rezcko, and several other shady/fraudulent political people. You would never hear about it from ABC, CNN, MSNBC, etc. If a republican says it, it a smear, if a liberal says it is something we should all know. Funny, but basically, BO has no plan for the economy, none. I give tax break to those who still have jobs, stupid and show poor judgment. JMc went to Washington to get people to the table, which he did. JMC will win, look at the electoral college map, sorry.

Posted by: the one | October 5, 2008, 8:43 am 8:43 am

“Several months ago, a claim was made by former Manhattan Borough president Percy Sutton (An African-American) that Obama had been funded through Harvard law school by Khalid Al-Mansour, a ‘mentor’ to the founders of the Black Panther party and adviser to ‘one of the world’s richest men,’ Saudi prince Alwaleed bin Talal. It was Prince Alwaleed whose $10 million check to help rebuild Manhattan after 9/11 was refused by New York mayor Rudy Guiliani because the Saudi prince hinted publicly that America’s pro-Israel policies were to blame for the attacks.
According to this story by Kenneth Timmerman, Camp Obama denied this claim — and referred to a story on Politico.com in which reporter Ben Smith wrote that ‘a spokesman for Sutton’s family, Kevin Wardally’ said that Sutton had been mistaken when he made those comments. But when contacted, Sutton’s family not only denied that Sutton had misspoken but also said they had never even heard of Kevin Wardally – who appears to work for a Harlem political consulting firm.
So the claim that Obama was funded through Harvard by a radical Black Muslim activist with ties to the Saudis remains on the table”

Posted by: Democrats No More | October 5, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

mccain will learn that the anger he promotes WILL BE TURNED AGAINST HIM—-charge him with treason for his propaganda when in nam—-he showed his true colors them–and they were not red white and blue.just hit him with the truth.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

I am surprised to see Palin herself make these claims. Usually accusations as outrageous as this is are relegated to the 527 groups.
This is opening Pandora’s box, and Palin has demons aplenty of her own that will need to be confronted now.
Palin’s husband was a member of a society which advocated Alaska’s secession from the United States of America. Does that mean she was aiding and abetting this group?
Does that make her an associate of someone who advocated treason?
Before she wanted to be vice president of the United States, Palin wanted to be president of Alaska.

Posted by: seems to me | October 5, 2008, 8:44 am 8:44 am

TO THE REPUBLICIANS IDIOTS—If OBAMA has terriosts ties, would you think the CIA and FBI would had expose this so-called threat to AMERICA. What a bunch of idiots.FEAR AND SMEAR TACTICS IS ALL YOU IDIOTS GOT.
Posted by: READY99 | Oct 5, 2008 8:29:57 AM
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BINGO!! trust me CIA.. FBI and every law enforcement would be camp out at senator Obama’s home, if he was into anything or a THREAT , this is so silly its reaching the term PATHETIC.
So nice of them bring up people Barack meet in passing when he was 8 yrs old .
and on that William Ayers board in chicago you could have and can FIND REPUBLICANS.
How come they are NOT BEING MENTION.

Posted by: mike | October 5, 2008, 8:45 am 8:45 am

Democrats No More should be named “Democrats Never Was” because all your reading material comes from far-right websites, as do your arguments. Yet you come on here and try to pretend you would have voted for Hillary, but now NOW you’re voting McCain.
there are several Limbaugh zombies / ditto heads on these comment strings who do that.

Posted by: whatev | October 5, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am

i was going to vote for her because – i like her record in the Ny SENATe – her experience and on a gut level a personal trust of her .. in addition in the past 2 elections i voted for gore and kerry – who unfortunatley lost to the country bumpkin bush ,… for me obama is a third bush with the lack of expereince – his present votes – no real record of taking stands.. my gut tells me – and i know people like this from my personal life,… he wants the title.. but willvote present as president just like bush has for mpost of these 8 yrs..
that is why – i personally wanted bill impeached back in the day..
and i blame the democrats for the choice they have given me
are u happy now with my answer….
? mr/ms elitist?

Posted by: sokadija | October 5, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am

mccain new add —we are all north vietnamese today—freaking traitor

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 8:46 am 8:46 am

i also like split government – the old addage.. the fox in the hen house.. this way you have a check on one party

Posted by: sokadija | October 5, 2008, 8:47 am 8:47 am

i’m voting for president… and as for palin – she is a governor, mayor etc… don;t knock her.. that i find to be sexist… i bet if it had been palwenty for MN and a man u would not be hearing this “experience” for VP… please
we all make our decisons. and i have made mine just like u have made yours
so please stop trying to prove i am “dumb” u have no clue what my educational background is nor do i know yours
i simplu ask you to respect my opinion which is extremly lacking in this election cycle – we can agree to disagree

Posted by: sokadija | October 5, 2008, 8:52 am 8:52 am

mccain experience and record 95% IN FAVOR WITH BUSH—–WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS TELLING HIS BS TO—WE ARE NOT AS DUMB AS HE IS —-the traitor

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 8:53 am 8:53 am

i also like split government – the old addage.. the fox in the hen house.. this way you have a check on one party
Posted by: sokadija | Oct 5, 2008 8:47:39 AM
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WE do have that in CONGRESS right now and thats CALL:
NOTHING EVER GETS DONE, AND MORE PROBLEMS ARISE FROM DOING NOTHING.
all at the tax payers frustration and expense.

Posted by: mark | October 5, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am

At a rally today in California, Gov. Sarah Palin offered up a rather jarring argument for supporting the Republican ticket. “There’s a place in Hell reserved for women who don’t support other women,” the Alaska Governor said, claiming she was quoting former Clinton Secretary of State Madeleine Albright.
The statement came after Palin had recounted a “providential” moment she experienced on Saturday: “I’m reading on my Starbucks mocha cup, ok? The quote of the day… It was Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State [crowd boos] and UN ambassador. … Now she said it, I didn’t. She said, ‘There’s a place in Hell reserved for women who don’t support other women.’”
Actually, Albright didn’t say that. The real quote is, “There’s a place in Hell reserved for women who don’t HELP other women.”
**********does this mean there’s a place in Hell reserved for Palin?

Posted by: 2+2 | October 5, 2008, 8:54 am 8:54 am

This woman is really stupid, i dont know what skills does she have to be selected for vp.
In france we had Segolene Royale, but she’s a very smart woman, graduted from the havard equivalent here.
It will be really amazing if she become one day a president.

Posted by: foxfire | October 5, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

This strategy is one of desperation and will probably only succeed with those voters looking for a reason to vote against Obama. But it sure is going to make it even harder for McCain-Palin to claim they’re any different from the Bush-Cheney regime when they are devoting so much time and money emulating their Rovian tactics of trying to instill fear by smear.
While the strategy may succeed in providing some voters with the excuses they are looking for to defeat Obama, it will also turn off a lot of independents and moderates who still remember the honorable and honest maverick McCain of 8 years ago and wonder where the heck he went because the John McCain of 2000 would never have indulged in this kind of gutter politics.

Posted by: windrider | October 5, 2008, 8:55 am 8:55 am

i disagree on the split govt – look at the econoimic recovery bill – the original had no oversight etc…. and now we do plus unfortunalty all that pork
if it had been one party – paulson we would be God with no independent oversight…
and look at the 6 yrs when it was all republican… was that a good thing?
and now we want to give it all to the democrats.. that will not be a good thing either..
absolute power/corrupts absolutely
split govt
and i am also gfor term limits for congress to force the bumbs out into the real world
i do not buy that sitting in congress for 25+ yrsa is a good thing
look at what we have gotten ourselves into with all these life termers

Posted by: sokadija | October 5, 2008, 8:57 am 8:57 am

ONCE AGAIN MACAIIN AND ROVE INSULT OUT INTELLIGENCE! THERE’S ABSOLUTELY NOTHING MCCAIN CAN SAY OR DO THAT WOULD ADVOCATE THAT HE SHOULD BE PRESIDENT.
1. His constant lie about Obama’s voting record. A man who can’t tell the truth makes even after many fact check groups say he isn’t be acute… his behavior makes me very uncomfortable.
2. His need for victory in Iraqi when the general clearly stated we probably won’t be able to have that.
3. His selection of Palin. Due to his health, that judgment call let me know he was concerned about winning and not “Country First.”
4.His behavior during the bailout crisis. I’m sure I don’t have to rehash the whole ordeal. Then to say on TV that he hoped Bush would veto it? He always flip-flops -indicating a lack of backbone.
5.Also during the economic crisis he had a melt down and he unraveled. So, what would happen during a terrorist attack? Would he unravel again? Wait for an accurate assessment or start another war under false pretenses?
6. Now resorting to name calling. This will only make him look like a grumpy old man who is desperate to win a race by any means necessary….to bad!
The country is going in the wrong direction. We need a new vision, new leadership who will bring intelligence and experience to the table.
We need “OBAMA & BIDEN 08”

Posted by: y.sister | October 5, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

mccain policy——100 year war—-nafta is good for our economy—–bomb bomb iran—-we are all georgians today—-we won the war 3 years later the surge the surge,more bs we are still getting killed there and china gets the oil—-the fundamentals of our economy are sound ,all this while wall st collapses—he should have stayed in nam permanently and stuck to his propaganda broadcasts.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 8:59 am 8:59 am

also like split government – the old addage.. the fox in the hen house.. this way you have a check on one party
Posted by: sokadija | Oct 5, 2008 8:47:39 AM
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How do you “rationalize” Palin talking about wanting to expand the powers of the VP? Or her current abuse of power “Troopergate” investigation that the McCain campaign is trying to derail? Seems to me that you’d just like to see 4 more years of Bush / Cheney.

Posted by: 2+2=whateveryousay | October 5, 2008, 9:00 am 9:00 am

Dems No More (i.e. Ditto Head), there you go again, goshdarnit! a World Net Daily article… far right.

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am

The guy admitted setting bombs, and laughed about getting off on a technicality. The media is being so pro-Obama about this one “alleged terrorist” etc. How many bombs do you have to set before you qualify? Obama met with him on more than one occasion. Just like his pastor– condemns this or that but still hangs out with the person. Obama lies all the time–claiming McCain is exactly like Bush. The media never call that nasty, they just swallow it whole. And what about Obama saying everyone will be taxed on health benefits under McCain’s plan? I’d rather be taxed on my benefits than have to shell out $12,000 for every person who doesn’t have their own. Vote for Obama and all your dreams will come true–free health care, free tuition, tax breaks, peace and love in the world. Yeah, right.

Posted by: Carl P | October 5, 2008, 9:03 am 9:03 am

Posted by: Democrats No More | Oct 5, 2008 8:53:55 AM
The Daily Telegraph said Ambassador Sir Nigel Sheinwald sent a letter to Brown
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Who cares!! that clown will be looking for work soon .SO he is talking crap on his way out. his opinion is no different than what we may think of P-diddy.
At least P diddy is AMERICAN who actually vote.
BTW.. you need to hop on your little red bike and catch up, stop posting old news.
Obama / Biden 08 the kitchen table matters.

Posted by: mary | October 5, 2008, 9:05 am 9:05 am

A cult of personality is excessive adulation, admiration and exaltation of a charismatic leader, often with unproven merits or achievements. It is similar to hero worship except that it is created specifically for political leaders.
An unequivocal expression of delusional grandiosity

Posted by: Democrats No More | October 5, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am

Sarah Palin welcomed this group in 2008 saying “good luck on a successful and inspiring convention, keep up the good work” Her husband was a member for years. She also says she “shares their vision for Alaska”
QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS ABOUT ALASKAN INDEPENDENCE
Q: What is the Alaskan Independence Party?
A: An Alaskan political party whose members advocate a range of solutions to the conflicts between federal and local authority; from advocacy for state’s rights, through a return to territorial status, all the way to complete independence and nationhood status for Alaska.
Q: Aren’t most Alaskan Independence Party members a bunch of radicals and Kooks?
A: The party has its share of individualists, in the grand Alaskan tradition. No longer a fringe party, the A.I.P. is a viable third party with a serious mission and qualified candidates for elected offices.
Q: If Alaska became independent, wouldn’t we lose a lot of federal money?
A: No. If Alaska returned to territorial status, most federal money would still be available. If Alaska were to attain complete independence, its revenues from oil and other natural resources would far exceed the amounts currently received from the federal government, at our current level of resource utilization.
Q: If Alaska were independent, what would happen to my social security check, federal pension, or military retirement?
A: People receive these checks around the world, regardless of their place of residence. In most cases eligibility for such checks would not be affected by Alaskan independence.
Q: If Alaska became independent, would U.S. military bases leave?
A: The strategic location of Alaska would indicate that it would serve U.S. interests to maintain a presence in Alaska. The military are good neighbors. There would be no compelling reason for the military to leave Alaska.
Q: Didn’t we vote for statehood already?
A: The vote for statehood was invalid because the people were not presented with the range of options available to them. Further, the federal government has since breached the contract for statehood on numerous occasions in over a dozen serious and substantial instances.
Q: Under independence, what would happen to all the federal controls and regulations?
A: We believe that controls should be exerted by the lowest possible governmental unit. The people of Alaska can better decide what controls need to be in place than can bureaucrats in Washington. Specific local regulation might be either more or less restrictive than current federal regulation. The point is that it will be our regulation, not Washington’s.
Q: Would I lose my U.S. citizenship?
A: Depending on the form of independence, several forms of citizenship would be possible, including the retention of U.S. citizenship or dual citizenship. However, considering the moral, educational, and economic decay of the U.S., Alaskans’ who hold themselves to a higher standard might very well decide to at least maintain an arm’s length distance from a country in decline.
Q: What will happen to major U.S. stores such as Sears, Safeway, and McDonald’s?
A: Any company which found it profitable to sell in Alaska would remain. Without the constraints of the deteriorating U.S. economy, and with the enormous wealth of Alaska, international as well as local companies will prosper.

Posted by: seems to me | October 5, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am

Washington Monthly:
About a week or so ago, the Wall Street Journal editorial page ran an 1,100-word piece from conservative writer Stanley Kurtz about Barack Obama’s past with 1960′s-era radical William Ayers. The Journal gave it a provocative headline — “Obama and Ayers Pushed Radicalism on Schools” — and far-right blogs got really excited about it. There was one small problem: Kurtz, after exhaustive research, couldn’t find any meaningful dirt.
But the hunger for a scandal remains, and unhinged Republicans just know there’s more to this story, if only major media outlets would bother to keep digging. So, the New York Times kept digging, and published a 2,100-word piece today, detailing the “crossed paths” of Obama and Ayers. Presumably, the report is intended, and will no doubt be used, to push the Ayers “story” back into the political discussion of the day.
And yet, there’s that problem again: the Times couldn’t find any meaningful dirt, either.
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At a tumultuous meeting of anti-Vietnam War militants at the Chicago Coliseum in 1969, Bill Ayers helped found the radical Weathermen, launching a campaign of bombings that would target the Pentagon and United States Capitol.
Twenty-six years later, at a lunchtime meeting about school reform in a Chicago skyscraper, Barack Obama met Mr. Ayers, by then an education professor. Their paths have crossed sporadically since then, at a coffee Mr. Ayers hosted for Mr. Obama’s first run for office, on the schools project and a charitable board, and in casual encounters as Hyde Park neighbors. [...]
[T]he two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.”
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Posted by: 2+2=whateveryousay | October 5, 2008, 9:07 am 9:07 am

OBAMA HAS A VERY BAD POLITICAL
RESUME………..
OBAMA’S CONNECTIONS WITH ANTI-AMERICANS
SUCH AS PASTOR WRIGHT,WILLIAMS AYERS AND
CONVICTED FELON TONY REZKO,MAKES HIM
UN-FIT FOR COMMANDER IN CHIEF…….
I’M AN EX-DEMOCRAT VOTING REPUBLICAN
BECAUSE I DON’T TRUST OBAMA TO RUN
THE U.S.A……..
McCAIN/PALIN ’08

Posted by: Nicholas | October 5, 2008, 9:08 am 9:08 am

Mccain will lose in a landslide

Posted by: lou | October 5, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am

A cult of personality is excessive adulation, admiration and exaltation of a charismatic leader, often with unproven merits or achievements. It is similar to hero worship except that it is created specifically for political leaders.
An unequivocal expression of delusional grandiosity
Posted by: Democrats No More | Oct 5, 2008 9:07:04 AM
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yes! like Limbaugh zombies, dittoheads!

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am

The CIA and FBI are barred from investigating political candidates. And Obama’s terrorist buddy got off on a technicality so the law can’t go after him. If Obama were applying for a National Security job (like to work at the CIA) they’d reject his application because he’d be considered a secuirty risk –too many radical friends/advisors, a close relative in an unstable country (aunt in Kenya) who could easily be kidnapped and used to blackmail him. But since he’s running for President, no background checks. He just gets the keys to the Pentagon no questions asked if voters are dumb enough to vote for him. But hey, he’s a charismatic speaker, isn’t that all we care about?

Posted by: frank | October 5, 2008, 9:10 am 9:10 am

nice try – but i saw her answer that question – i did not see “cheney” as u did i saw “al gore” – clinton started this give more responsibility to the VP position, before bill they basically were traveling the world and breaking a tie in the senate..

Posted by: sokadija | October 5, 2008, 9:11 am 9:11 am

HERE ARE THE FACTS:
1. Sen. Obama SAYS he will raise taxes on only those making at least $250,000; and lower taxes on the bottom 95% of the workforce.
2. Sen. Obama SAYS he will only raise the income tax rates on the top 1-2% back to where they were under President Clinton. Right now the top two federal income tax brackets are 33% and 35%. So he SAYS he will raise these top two tax brackets to 36% and 39.6%.
3. According to the lastest IRS statistics (updated in July 2008), in 2006 the top 1% of the nation’s wage earners reported a total AGI (Adjusted Gross Income) of $1.8 Trillion dollars.
4. In 2006, the total federal income tax paid by the top 1% was $408 Billion.
5. Raising the top two federal income tax rates to where they were in 2000 (36% and 39.6%) on the top 1% of wage earners in 2006 would have generate ONLY an additional $50 Billion.
YOU DO THE MATH! $50 Billion (or approximately $75 Billion for the top 2% of the nation’s wage earners) does not pay for the new entitlement programs that Sen. Obama wants to implement. So either he will have to raise taxes greatly higher on the top 1-2%; or raise taxes on the bottom 95% of the workforce; or both; OR forego his plans for healthcare, preschool and affordable college for everyone. (NOTE: Raising the federal income tax to 100% of any income over $250,000 might just pay for the cost of Sen. Obama’s new entitlement programs– for one year! That’s because very few individuals will continue to work once their income reaches the $250,000 mark knowing that every penny they continue to earn will go to the federal government.)
AMERICA, again, DO THE MATH–BEFORE YOU VOTE!

Posted by: James Danley | October 5, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am

Obama talks Heath Care, McCain talks distractions and associations.
I want a president who talks more about the issues and less about his opponents character.

Posted by: Ken | October 5, 2008, 9:12 am 9:12 am

But hey, he’s a charismatic speaker, isn’t that all we care about?
Posted by: frank | Oct 5, 2008 9:10:34 AM
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Hello? Palin draws them in because of her insight on national and foreign policy? On articles she’s written about such things? On her many ideas for domestic and foreign policy?

Posted by: jc | October 5, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

I would have voted for McCain in 2000. I did not get the chance to. He lost the Republican primary because he ran a relatively clean campaign that, in my opinion, was substantively stronger than either Bush or Gore.
I will not vote for McCain in 2008. This so-called “Maverick” has sold out to the same Bush/Cheney/Rove machine beat him and the American people down with its campaign of fear, misinformation and lies. This latest attach on Obama is demonstrates that his campaign team (actually the latet verion of the Bush/Cheney/Rove machine)now uses the sames strategy of fear, misinformation and lies against Obama that Bush used against McCain in 2000.

Posted by: Independent Voter, NY | October 5, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

NBC is in the tank for McCain. They ran this story last night, and took extra care to make it seem like Obama and Ayres were working together in the 1960′s. The NYT went beyond the wildest dreams of the fanatical right, by bringing in names of all kinds of people who weren’t even tangentially connected to either. This is just trash peddling. As long as Obama can show there is a difference between himself and McCain on the economy and the war, people are going to ignore it.

Posted by: Mike | October 5, 2008, 9:13 am 9:13 am

I am suggesting changing the colors of the electoral map .From Red and Blue, to Black and White. Also I suggest Spanish language to be taught to kinder gardens with American / English like second choice. Fidel Castro and Hugo Chavez like guests of Honor at the day when Obama sworn President.
That is no bad idea, is far better from have another 4 years of Bush administration with the puppet of the far right McCain as President .And then after he pass away have the Pit-bull with lipstick bombing Russia .
Why McCain can’t put together two sentences and Sarah Plain give only scripted interviews?
I don’t have any problem in characterizing McCain or Sarah Plain! .They is the Republican nominees! John McCain according to his own campaign believes Republicans are corrupt and incompetent.
Obviously he has inside information

Posted by: dontspin | October 5, 2008, 9:15 am 9:15 am

do not buy that sitting in congress for 25+ yrsa is a good thing
look at what we have gotten ourselves into with all these life termers
Posted by: sokadija | Oct 5, 2008 8:57:25 AM
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Doesn’t matter how long a person sits in office , if YOU dont have NEW POLICIES and a vision its like being in quicksand .
Barack will change POLICIES and does think outside the box , like he did in running a CAMPAIGN for the ages.
that no doubt will be the blueprint for others to follow . And with that FRESH VISION and practical approach America will be in good hands.
WE ARE STUCK IN OLD IDEAS AND POLICIES FROM WAY BACK , AND WE ARE SURPRISE WHEN THEY DON’T WORK AND WE GET LEFT BEHIND.. because the world is ever so changing.THE rest of the WORLD AS YOU SEE HAS CAUGHT UP.
WE NEED TO BE ONE STEP AHEAD.IN ORDER TO LEAD.

Posted by: mike | October 5, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

In a lawsuit filed in Alaska Superior Court, a Republican activist seeks to force Gov. Sarah Palin to produce copies of official correspondence she sent and received on private e-mail accounts
Palin did not use her state e-mail
account throughout her 2 year tenure
as Governor for official business.

Posted by: fews days to go | October 5, 2008, 9:16 am 9:16 am

True mavericks don’t brand themselves.

Posted by: thinkaboutit | October 5, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am

John McCain = Erratic Liar

Posted by: Lie_Detector | October 5, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am

Where are the stories about Palin’s tax problems? She is going to be in big trouble with the IRS now. I guess the media don’t want anybody to know about how they also abuse their income from travel.
If the politicians would eliminate all their tax dodges there wouldn’t be so much resistance to pulling the plug on terrorist financing, but the ‘journalists’ wont talk about it because they are taking advantage of the same system.

Posted by: Mike | October 5, 2008, 9:17 am 9:17 am

At war the first casualty is the truth. At this electoral race the truth has been killed by McCain and the Rebublicants !

Posted by: justme | October 5, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

From the Minneapolis Star Tribune:
Minnesota: Obama 55, McCain 37
Conducted Sept. 30-Oct. 2. Error margin: 3.7 points.
From the Columbus Dispatch:
Ohio: Obama 49, McCain 42
Conducted Sept. 24-Oct. 3. Error margin: 2 points.

Posted by: polls! | October 5, 2008, 9:19 am 9:19 am

Sarah Palin’s un-American actions in supporting a secessionist Alaskan group in 2008 are hardly ever mentioned.
Unlike Obama, her association is not just a casual acquaintance, she’s married to one of their members. Todd Palin was a member for years. She says she “shares their vision for Alaska”

Posted by: seems to me | October 5, 2008, 9:21 am 9:21 am

A cult of personality is excessive adulation, admiration and exaltation of a charismatic leader, often with unproven merits or achievements. It is similar to hero worship except that it is created specifically for political leaders.
An unequivocal expression of delusional grandiosity
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Excellent description of Sarah Palin
Thanks for pointing that out.

Posted by: Britney Spears of Politics | October 5, 2008, 9:23 am 9:23 am

Josh Marshall:
If Palin is going to [attack Obama's patriotism], it is now perfectly legitimate to point out that she repeatedly courted a secessionist group founded by someone who openly professed hatred of the American government, cursed our flag, and wanted to secede from the Union. Sarah’s husband, Todd Palin, was a member of this group, which continues to venerate that founder to this day, for years.
As you already know, the group is the Alaska Independence Party, which sees as its ultimate goal seceding from the union. Todd was a member, with a brief exception, from 1995 until 2002, according to the Division of Elections in Alaska.
And though Sarah Palin herself was apparently not a member of this group, there’s no doubt that she repeatedly courted this secessionist organization over the years. In 1994, Palin attended the group’s annual convention, according to witnesses who spoke to ABC News’ Jake Tapper. The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group’s 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States…
McCain apologists will argue that Sarah Palin was not a member of this group. But Obama wasn’t a member of any Ayers anti-American group, either. And again, Palin repeatedly courted the AIP, and her husband was a member for years.
The main takeaway from today’s Times story is that Obama’s ties to Ayers are, if anything, less substantial than commonly alleged. So if the Ayers association means Obama “palled around” with “terrorists,” as Palin put it today, surely Palin can be said to have “palled around” with a secessionist party whose founder openly professed hatred of America.

Posted by: 2+2=whateveryousay | October 5, 2008, 9:24 am 9:24 am

if palin seceeded fromthe us—do you think she would nationalize the oil there ——you know get billions of dollars–and screw the rest of us——

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am

Rolling Stone has a pretty exhaustive analysis of McCain’s military and political careers. It’s well worth a look. He has never been the “country first” hero that the MSM has helped him pretend to be.
He and Bush share more than ideological dogmatism and a blind faith in the wisdom of their “guts.” Neither one of them would have gotten anywhere had their daddys not been in positions to pull strings for them and constantly bail them out of trouble.
The descriptions of his temper tantrums by fellow Repubican Senators are particularly disturbing. Some of them have big problems with the idea of him being anywhere near nuclear launch codes. We should, too.

Posted by: Brooklyn Democrat | October 5, 2008, 9:27 am 9:27 am

and u think sitting in office for 25+ yrs brings u new ideas?
LOL
our choices stink this yr – and for me its the lesser of 2 evils
thats it – i won;t change ur vote nor do i want to nor will u change my vote
i just was naively hoping that we could all be civil and respectfully which i see is utterly impossible

Posted by: sokadija | October 5, 2008, 9:28 am 9:28 am

So Palin joins McCain’s tour of Lies. The Times article she alludes to concludes “….the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers.”
While we’re talking about pals, and digging ourselves out of this economic disaster, how about McCain’s pal Donald Diamond? McCain is up to his neck in poisonous relationships where he has clearly exceeded the moral and legislative limits of his senator-ship. The New York Times article was published several months ago, but maybe it’s time to bring it up again
For as Palin has admitted,’he New York Times is hardly ever wrong’.

Posted by: katharine | October 5, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Always something new about Sarah!
Now I comprehend the diabolic plan of Sarah Plain. She want to be elected VeeP under the flag of the Republicans .Then she will poison Johnny Macaroni at the first month of the presidency , she will become president and order to bomb Russia ,after the Nuclear war ,she will proclaim the independency of the Great state of ALASKA !In March, 2008, Sarah Palin recorded a video welcoming the convention of the secessionist Alaskan Independence Party (AIP), saying “we have a great promise to be a self-sufficient state, made up of the hardest working, most grateful Americans in our nation.” In October, 2007, Dexter Clark, the AIP’s vice chairman, was recorded on video saying that Palin had been a registered member of the AIP before switching to the GOP to be viable. In the same video, Clark says “the Federal government is just plain a monster” and “we don’t say we are Americans, we say we are Alaskans.”
Clark’s comments were delivered at “The Second North American Secessionist Convention” in Chattanooga, Tennessee.
AIP’s motto is “Alaska First. Alaska Always.”

Posted by: yeahbaby | October 5, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

Yes, Brooklyn Democrat, that Rolling Stone article can be googled and read under it’s title “Make Believe Maverick”
very detailed and revealing info!

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 9:29 am 9:29 am

the moving from the country deal is correct.
also for the people who say she associates with the trailer park people, and they are buying it.
trailer park people get this,
the palins are worth about 4mil dollars.
now, mind you there is nothing wrong with having money, i am trying to keep all i make.
but people who live in trailers, and such, don’t fall for that line, she is just like me.
she is not, and she will make life harder for poor and working people.
mccain/palin for poor and working people?
what a jib.

Posted by: omg | October 5, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

as for new ideas – Obama has none – none of the candidates do… and that is the irony of the thing…
LOL
as my dad says – they are all the same… nothing will change.. and the economic recovery act made sure of that – WE HAVE NO MONEY
maybe Iran will get nukes – that’s about all that will change and the iranian president may get a photo opt at the white house.. now that is change we can beleive in
LOL

Posted by: sokadija | October 5, 2008, 9:31 am 9:31 am

In remarks on the campaign trail on Monday in Columbus, Ohio, Mr. McCain broadened his accusations, saying that Mr. Obama had “never voted to cut your taxes” and was “always cheering for higher taxes or against tax relief.”
Mr. McCain himself originally opposed the Bush tax cuts, saying they were a fiscally irresponsible gift to the wealthy “at the expense of middle-class Americans who need tax relief.” But he now favors extending them permanently.
Mr. McCain’s accusations on Friday and Monday are the latest iteration of a line of attack that his campaign has been employing for several months, after an earlier claim that Mr. Obama was proposing “the largest single tax increase since World War II” was debunked by economists and tax experts.
The McCain campaign originally maintained that Mr. Obama’s support of the nonbinding budget resolution meant he would raise taxes on those making as little as $32,500 a year. That failed to distinguish between total income and taxable income.
But even after adopting the $42,000 figure as his benchmark, Mr. McCain went on to misrepresent his opponent’s position. In a Spanish-language advertisement, for example, the McCain campaign has said that Mr. Obama favors raising taxes on “families” making $42,000 a year.
That figure is incorrect as well. In reality, a family of four with annual income of up to $90,000, to take one example, would not have been affected even in the unlikely event that the Democratic budget resolution were to be enacted with no accompanying tax relief for the middle class.
In an English-language Web advertisement issued in August, Mr. McCain also claimed that Mr. Obama favored “a tax increase for everyone earning more than $42,000 a year.” That statement is patently false. Under Mr. Obama’s tax proposal, those in the middle of the middle class — people earning $37,000 to $66,000 a year — would receive a tax cut of more than $1,000 a year, more than three times what Mr. McCain is proposing in his tax platform.

Posted by: foreclosure | October 5, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

should have read:
maccain/palin for poor and working people?
what a jip.

Posted by: omg | October 5, 2008, 9:32 am 9:32 am

Mr. Obama is a fake no matter what angle I view him.

Posted by: young_voter | October 5, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Funny that the attacks are coming from the ONLY CANDIDATE CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION.
ABUSE OF POWER seems to be a Republican credo these days and Palin fits right in.
Innocent people don’t DUCK SUBPOENAS. They want the truth come out. But Palin is trying to hamper the investigation?
A bi-partisan committee asked for the investigation and Palin thinks she is above the law.
The folksy wink-wink routine isn’t going to get her any further credibility.
Meet the Press is playing last night’s SNL today. And they aren’t buying the Palin act.

Posted by: Britney Spears of Politics | October 5, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

LOL, sokadija… Country First!
you betcha.

Posted by: wink | October 5, 2008, 9:33 am 9:33 am

Mark Shields made an important comment on The News Hour not too long ago, stating that if McCain wins on the basis of negative ads, that there will be NO reaching across the isle in Congress…”It will be ashes. It will be ashes.”
I hope the American people are above McCain’s attempt at winning by false accusations. Haven’t we had enough of this?

Posted by: Laura Jones | October 5, 2008, 9:35 am 9:35 am

Now we know that not only Obama can lead, but also he had a plan for the future of this great country!
Now McCain can snooze tight. Obama can answer the 03.00 am call any time!
Rebublicans can spin like wash machine all day long! The truth is
Senator McCain past actually impairs him from to be flexible and confront the future with open mind. .Senator Obama foreign policy is moderate but also smart. That helps to keep our friends near, and or foes nearer! The last days of the campaign confirmed that McCain -Plain are the most inadequate people to run this country
The same people who gave George Bush a second term should feel responsible for the mess that is occurring today. They are the same ones who today have doubts about the ability of Obama to be a good choice for President. The only thing that I can say is that all of you messed up the first time and now you are ready to do it once more by voting for McCain!
What an ostrich and the Republicans have in common? Let me guess!
An ostrich bury its head in the sand and pretend everything is fine.
Republicans do the same and follow McCain!

Posted by: dontspin | October 5, 2008, 9:36 am 9:36 am

“I cannot in good conscience vote for the Bush tax cuts”
Senator McCain
“I think tax cuts for the mega-rich a great idea and should be permanent”
Candidate McCain
Only a real “maverick” takes on himself.

Posted by: Some "maverick" | October 5, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

See “Vet Voice” for the exhaustive list of examples / video:
On Friday, September September 26, 2008, John McCain said the following:
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“I know the veterans, I know them well, and I know that they know that I’ll take care of them, and I have been proud of their support and their recognition of my service to the veterans, and I love them, and I’ll take care of them, and they know that I’ll take care of them.”
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This statement–made near the end of Friday’s debate–immediately infuriated veterans across America and overseas. In fact, Senator John McCain has a very clear, long, and illustrious history of not supporting troops and veterans one bit.
Now, I’ve seen legislative examples, I’ve watched the YouTubes, and I’ve lived this lack of support in more ways than one. But now, for the first time, I’ve tried to compile as much of this non-support as possible into a single document–from a variety of sources–complete with links, quotes, and video clips. It’s something that readers often ask me about, so I hope this helps. I’m sure there’s a lot missing, so feel free to add more in the comments. But for now, I think this should give us a good start in exposing John McCain’s abysmal of record of supporting troops and veterans.

Posted by: bluestarfamily | October 5, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

mccain colobarated with thge north vietnamese—AND THAT IS A FACT—-and his propaganda broadcasts are real–why are his true military records sealed.
and dont tell me about google bs.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 9:37 am 9:37 am

yeahbaby, the fact is that Gov. Palin has never been a member of AIP. And yes, as governor she does welcome groups to her state frequently. That doesn’t mean she endorses or believes everything they believe.
BUT based on your logic, Sen. Obama must be a communist since he was mentored by a communist (Frank Marshall Davis) for 5 years (1975-1979). He also studied under the principles of Saul Alinsky (another communist). Sen. Obama must also believe in Black Liberation Theology since he attended the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr.’s church for 20 years.

Posted by: James Danley | October 5, 2008, 9:38 am 9:38 am

McCain debate Obama .Yes! He was POW and we should respect that.
But he lack on personality, vision and judgment. This guy is rigid living in the past.
H e doesn’t see the disaster of Iraq coming when he vote in favor of War .He support deregulations and then argue about the circus of Wall Street .A person who talk against the Government but he favors the government interference .A person who pick the Vice-president nominee only after one meeting !
What you can say about his judgment? Oh just a minute he said the fundamentals of the economy are strong .Probably he was thinking about the family Business.
Was hilarious to watch Cindy McCain, when Senator McCain on his speech talks about the big salaries of the CEO’s, and how greedy they are.

Posted by: yeahbaby | October 5, 2008, 9:39 am 9:39 am

Obama continues to climb in the polls. Today’s Rasmuseen has Obama by 7. The RCP average has climbed to 6 for the first time.
Keating 5 McCain better find a way to steal more money.

Posted by: memyself | October 5, 2008, 9:40 am 9:40 am

yeahbaby, the fact is that Gov. Palin has never been a member of AIP…
Posted by: James Danley | Oct 5, 2008 9:38:45 AM
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And though Sarah Palin herself was apparently not a member of this group, there’s no doubt that she repeatedly courted this secessionist organization over the years. In 1994, Palin attended the group’s annual convention, according to witnesses who spoke to ABC News’ Jake Tapper. The McCain campaign has confirmed she visited the group’s 2000 convention, and she addressed its convention this year, as an incumbent governor whose oath of office includes upholding the Constitution of the United States…
McCain apologists will argue that Sarah Palin was not a member of this group. But Obama wasn’t a member of any Ayers anti-American group, either. And again, Palin repeatedly courted the AIP, and her husband was a member for years.
The main takeaway from today’s Times story is that Obama’s ties to Ayers are, if anything, less substantial than commonly alleged. So if the Ayers association means Obama “palled around” with “terrorists,” as Palin put it today, surely Palin can be said to have “palled around” with a secessionist party whose founder openly professed hatred of America.

Posted by: spin away | October 5, 2008, 9:41 am 9:41 am

This is the verbal equivalent of the July 21st cover of The New Yorker magazine. Michelle with an Afro and an AK 47 with Barack wearing a turban-type thing. Scary how low political slander can go. The country should demand a public apology from Gov. Palin.

Posted by: Chris Lieberman | October 5, 2008, 9:42 am 9:42 am

Posted by: sokadija | Oct 5, 2008 9:28:34 AM
and u think sitting in office for 25+ yrs brings u new ideas?
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Like palin you are not following , that where Barack comes in.. he sets the VISION and delegate the the experts to that field carry it out. and the people who have been in congress for many years in the Dem party, no doubt will carry it out and even add their 2 cents.
ANY NEW IDEA/POLICY NEEDS a START and others jump in to fine tune things.
if the congress is split in party lines, then you have stalemate like you have now.

Posted by: ctc | October 5, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am

MCCAIN VOTED AGAINST BENIFITS FOR MILITARY—–

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 9:44 am 9:44 am

Rachel Maddow: There isn’t much left in the McCain / Palin arsenal. If you can’t win on the facts, or expertise, or on personally connecting with voters, how do you win?
McCain/Palin have NOTHING but character smears left.

Posted by: 2+2=whateveryousay | October 5, 2008, 9:45 am 9:45 am

Barack Obama should change his rhetoric technique at times he is very academic and he doesn’t pass the message to the voters. He needs to be firm and focus once to the follow points
John McCain and Sarah Palin want to be elected like Republicans but they are trying to avoid discussing issues critical for the American families. And portraying themselves like reformers because they are embarrassed of the last 8 years of the Republicans –Bush Administration. Is the Republican Party in the need of urgent reform because is out of touch with the everyday life of the American people.
Americans want answers to they problems they want better healthcare they want better pay they don’t want just change because that sounds good on election time, they want change from the Bush policies. This election is not only about some bridge in Alaska it is about all the bridges and roads in all of United States because they are all crying out for repairs and maintenance. This is because for the last 8 years the Bush and the Republicans have spent enormous amounts to build up Iraq and they have forgotten about the needs of their own country.
Our libraries and schools should offer all the choices of books and facilities to give to our kids the tools not only to build a better future for them but also for this country.
John McCain and Sarah Plain promise of change: Is a change to Nowhere.
Nowhere near to help the American people with a real economic change Nowhere near to bring troops home safely.
Nowhere near to build America’s independence from oil.
Nowhere near to help the 95% of the American families.
Nowhere near to help the entrepreneurs and working families to keep jobs in America.
Nowhere near to provide the medical care reform for the American people and the Veterans who they are not fought for the red and blue states of the electoral map They fought against the terror and to keep America on the map.
Barack Obama and Joe Biden probably don’t have all the answers to the problems of the America’s working families or farmers or the people under the fear of loosing their homes. Because of the failing economic policies of the Bush administration.
But they are ready to answer to the Americans for their policies and take responsibility for their decisions if they are elected to the White House
Barack Obama is ready not only to lead Americans back to the American dream but also to be sure his family and your families and daughters and sons are part of this dream

Posted by: foreclosure | October 5, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

McCain still has not learned that people are tired of the same all politics and attacks to get into office. Americans are much smarter than he thinks.

Posted by: Felix | October 5, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

When Bill Clinton ran for President, the press had a field day with his past indiscretions and affairs. They ran stories about GWB and his partying days and drinking as a young man. The MSM have attacked Palin and her family with a vengeance. They have however, deliberately refused to acknowledge any dirt at all on BO’s past. They have been in the tank for him since the start of the primaries. I’m not saying BO is the devil incarnate, but he hardly walks on water.

Posted by: Asia2PA | October 5, 2008, 9:46 am 9:46 am

Spin away, I notice that you didn’t address Sen. Obama’s mentors, Frank Marshall Davis and the Rev. Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr. How can someone be mentored for 5 years by a recruiter of the CPUSA and not come away with some of their principles? How can someone sit in a church listening to a Black Liberation theologist for 20 years and not come away with some of their principles?

Posted by: James Danley | October 5, 2008, 9:47 am 9:47 am

McCain to launch pre-emptive attack on Obama’s pre-emptive attack on McCain’s attack on Obama’s attack on the fundamental values of the United States.

Posted by: Bewildered | October 5, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

As a flag wavin Americaun, I don’t want no smart guy runnin my country. Give me good ol regular folk like we have with George W.
I don’t care if they ain’t smart. “W” and POW John McCain are heroes. We can put a wavin flag behind them and tell war stories. They lead from the gut and not from the brain. They’re my kind of Americun!

Posted by: The Base | October 5, 2008, 9:48 am 9:48 am

Palin has courted the AIP and her husband belonged to it. Not only did the founder of the AIP hate the USA but he was killed in 1992 trying to buy plastic explosives!

Posted by: memyself | October 5, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Read Between The Lines: This is a sign that the Obama camapign is on defens about this and knows that they are going to get rocked by the exposure of Obama’s radical friends and relationships and policy.
McCain is going to hurt Obama BIG TIME by exposing the truth about Obama. The response from the Obama camapign is hilarious. The Obama camapign is now doing a collective circle jerk about the economy and wishing for economy failure. Obama wants the economy to tumble. He just phoned it in, remember, “Just call me.”
Obama is a follower. He is not a leader. He is weak.
Obama’s lame response is proof that he is running from his past and does not want to be exposed.
The McCain campaign will keep hitting Obama straight in the mouth with the truth and knock him out with it.
Palin rocked Obama yesterday and look what Obama is doing now: crying and running. Obama is a coward.
Obama is weak. Won’t be long until the Obamalamadingdong campaign and the Obamabots start playing the race card again. That’s all they know how to do.
Obama has no record of helping America.
He is all talk and no walk.
Obama never met a terrorist he didn’t like.
Obama’s values are unamerican. Obama hopes America fails and is running only for himself. He is looking backwards and has no rel plan for the future.
Hit Obama hard and hit him often. He’s an empty suit and is vulnerable to the truth.
We have only begun to fight and look how scared Obama is now! LOL! His camapign handlers must be crapping in their drawers now. They are running like little cockroaches when you flip on the light.
Obama’s chickens are coming home…to roost!!
McCain-Palin ’08
Hillary 2012

Posted by: USVet | October 5, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

Ah, the familiar and predictable FEARMONGERING strategy. Gosh, I don’t think the American people have seen that tired and pathetic approach to winning an election before…oh, wait, George W. Bush! By golly, maybe they have. Time will tell whether they are dumb enough to fall for it again.

Posted by: reality_checks_in | October 5, 2008, 9:49 am 9:49 am

McCain is the most absent Senator in Congress. Maybe McCain should have been involved more in the Senate in the last two years rather than campaigning, because he sure hasn’t done anything for anyone in the last year. .
John McCain missed 430 votes since April that is 187 more than Obama what was he doing during that time he couldn’t even vote on the veteran’s bill .

Posted by: justme | October 5, 2008, 9:50 am 9:50 am

Obama = Chicago = Cubs . . . enough said

Posted by: Bewildered | October 5, 2008, 9:51 am 9:51 am

Spin away, I notice that you didn’t address Sen. Obama’s mentors… Posted by: James Danley | Oct 5, 2008 9:47:45 AM
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that’s your response to my point that palin wasn’t a member of AIP (anti American group) but attended their meetings, and her husband “First Dude” was actually a REGISTERED member for several years?

Posted by: spin away | October 5, 2008, 9:52 am 9:52 am

The financial institutions are bankrupt. The dollar super weak
The military are stressed out dangerously. Factories and jobs move overseas.
Home owners become homeless. The allies are pushed away. The states in the Gulf of Mexico in pieces .The Saudis milking what wealth have left.
McCain is desperate to be a President! He doesn’t see the disaster of Iraq coming when he vote in favor of War .He support deregulations and then argue about the circus of Wall Street .A person who talk against the Government but he favors the government interference .A person who pick the Vice-president nominee only after one meeting ,What you can say about his judgment? Oh just a minute he said the fundamentals of the economy are strong .Probably he was thinking about the family Business

Posted by: voting | October 5, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am

John McCain is about to expose the greatest bait-and-switch scheme in the history of America.
All of you Obamabots have sang your songs regurgitated your rhetoric while the media has turned the other way.
They have sent more people to a tiny island in Alaska to see if Sarah Palin could really see Russian than they have to look into who Barak Obama has really associated himself with – and what he *really* accomplished or failed at prior to moving into politics.
Well others have been performing the job of the media, and you’re about to see the results. Hang on tight, Obamabots, the truth will set you free.

Posted by: Terry | October 5, 2008, 9:54 am 9:54 am

This year McCain voted against more benefits for veterans. McCain has never once attended a hearing on afghanistan. McCain urged the president to veto a bill funding the troops.
Why does John McCain talk one way on stage and another way in congress?

Posted by: bubba | October 5, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

PALINS MINISTER REALLY TRUMPS REV WRIGHT.HE IS WHAT PALIN IS ABOUT—-(WITCHES).

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 9:55 am 9:55 am

The Republican ticket!
John McCain (We bomb everything)
Sarah Palin (I see Russia from my house)
His aged and ambitious
She is young and motivated.
For him is the last chance to be President
For her the last chance to be his cheerleader.
Their story SPIN, LIES and LIPSTICK

Posted by: dont spin | October 5, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

HOW COULD ANYONE VOTE FOR A TRAITOR THAT SPOUTED VILE PROPAGANDA AGAINST THE USA.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 9:57 am 9:57 am

DONTSPIN
you said it –that is what mccain is all about.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 9:58 am 9:58 am

Obama up ANOTHER point in the polls. Ras has him leading by 7. The RCP average has also moved to a full 6 point lead.
John Kerry was down by 2 at this point in 2004. Very close to the final result.

Posted by: memyself | October 5, 2008, 9:59 am 9:59 am

Responding to the Palin terrorist line in a statement, Obama spokesperson Hari Sevugan said: “What’s clear is that John McCain and Sarah Palin would rather spend their time tearing down Barack Obama than laying out a plan to build up our economy.”
**************It’s interesting how the GOP “base,” the middle class, will vote against their own self-interests and the nation’s interests because they have a Pavlovian reaction to “D” or “R” on the ballot. Do any of the McCain supporters really (really?) believe that McCain has any plan at all for the economy or for making anything better for you or me? What are his ideas on NAFTA, rebuilding our infrastructure, jobs, taxing the rich (who he wants to give more tax breaks to), foreign relations and diplomacy, etc etc etc.
Oh, he does have that ‘drill baby drill’ idea. Very impressive, since we won’t see that oil for about 10 years, and then it will be sold on the international market–so Country First, obviously!

Posted by: so true | October 5, 2008, 10:00 am 10:00 am

voting
you have that right—when people have little they turn to boose—mccain claim to fame.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

US VET—- McSAME voted against every veteran benefit bill presented to him. How in the hell is he looking out for you? I guess you probly not a war vet. If so you is one loss soul.

Posted by: READY99 | October 5, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

“Eerily missing at the Democratic convention this year were people of stature who were seriously involved at some point in Obama’s life standing up to say: I know Barack Obama. I’ve been with Barack Obama. We’ve toiled/endured together. You can trust him. I do.” This is an excerpt from Charles Krauthammer’s article in the Wash. Post, “A Perfect Stranger”. I hope people will not let their hatred of Bush blind them from the truth of Obama.

Posted by: Tammy | October 5, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

People who live in 7 or more glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

Posted by: John | October 5, 2008, 10:01 am 10:01 am

I kinda hope Palin wins and the country becomes a dogmatic religious sect with zero awareness of moral diversity and science. Kinda like the Mormons. The currency will weaken, more extremists will be in power, and the economy will be so deep in the toilet that I can afford an American nanny.

Posted by: reality_checks_in | October 5, 2008, 10:02 am 10:02 am

Sleazy McCain you done it again!
McCain said I am against any bailout include pork barreling, and he votes in favor of a bailout full of pork chops! LIAR >LIAR>LIAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: republicans no more | October 5, 2008, 10:03 am 10:03 am

I’m not sure which is more disgusting, Palin’s outrageous comments, or Americans that are motivated by this lowest-common-denominator propaganda. This party will stop at NOTHING to keep their power. They are perfectly willing to throw American values and morals under the bus to attain their goals. I am constantly amazed at the Republican Evangelicals who are supposedly morally superior, that support these tactics. We are a deteriorating nation and it is time to kick the Republicans to the curb. Time for something new folks. Either that or kiss your son’s and daughter’s futures goodbye.

Posted by: freedomrider | October 5, 2008, 10:04 am 10:04 am

The question is? Sarah Palin proved she is ready to be the next vice president? The answer is: NO
The question is: was she able to answer accurately on questions made by the moderator?
The answer is simply NO: She was using time after time such irrelevant talking points.
The question is: did she make independent voters change their minds and vote for John McCain? I don’t think so!
Joe Biden was chosen for VP, for his honesty free spirit and his experience!
He’s supposed to make a point when is needed. Sarah Plain was chosen for the position after only one meeting .The decisive factor was only the women’s vote and the prerequisite to be the John McCain cheerleader. She has only scripted talking points and very thin Resume. Sarah Plain VP? Thanks but not thanks!
OBAMA/BIDEN RULES!

Posted by: foreclosure | October 5, 2008, 10:05 am 10:05 am

here is your choice —-obama –a very intelligent young man+biden a very educated and involved middle aged man——-then we have mccain a treasonus vile old geser that constantly lies about anything + the alaskan uneducated dipsy twit-who may be impeached .
that is choice we can believe in.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

The joke that is McSame/Painful just gets bigger. If you aren’t prepared to do anything positive for the country…I guess your only option is to try to tear it down. A desperate last attempt by 2 people who shouldn’t throw stones. A guy who cheated on his sick wife with a rich heiress, and then got married before his divorce with his dieing wife was final. And then a preaching pitbull who was pregnant before she was married.

Posted by: Patriot | October 5, 2008, 10:06 am 10:06 am

In the last 30 days of the election I say lets get all of this out in the open.Lets take a look at Obama’s friends and associates and McCain’s, the press has certainly tried its best to avoid any responsible journalism. I cain’t tell you how relieved I was to see that report on CNN from that island in the Alaska rather than ACCORN’s efforts to induce voter fraud in Ohio, “way to go” Campbell Brown …always on top of the important issues. So lets get get our hands a little dirty here in the the last thirty days. As a blue collar Small Buisness owner/operater, I am not afraid.

Posted by: Jim | October 5, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am

Democracy is dead in America.
The media has told us whom to vote for, and it has worked.
We are on the verge of electing a man, Barack Obama, who when crisis hits hides under the table, waits for the dust to settle, then criticizes people who actually tried to help the situation.
Barack Obama’s emptiness knows no bounds.

Posted by: JA | October 5, 2008, 10:12 am 10:12 am

I’m really sorry but some far right fanatics are in urgent need of psychiatric evaluation and help. They are the main reason for the election of Bush to White House, and for consequence they are responsible for his failure and the suffering of the American people! Now they are trying again to do the same, with Johnny Macaroni and Sarah Plain.!

Posted by: yeahbaby | October 5, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

This is all getting so bizarre that my only comfort now is watching Jon Stewart (The Daily Show), Colbert, Bill Mahr and those wonderful parodies of Palin on Saturday Night Live.
It’s like many of the Republican supporters are losing their common sense. We aren’t casting a movie here people – this is for real.
And they find it “refreshing” to have a candidate pelt them with messages filled with “gonna” “coulda” “Joe Six Pack” and “You betcha” that are punctuated with flirtatious winks of the eye? That’s who I want in office? – mom’s apple pie – the girl next door? NOT! Aaargh! I’m back to the SNL site to listen to last night’s “right on” skit. Helps keep one’s sanity.

Posted by: L. Beck | October 5, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

McCain is seeing the race slip away and so he has made it personal. Well, bring it on. Obama has the wind at his back and is well able to defend these baseless attacks.

Posted by: william | October 5, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

McCain would have been killed in Prison if it had not been his dad was admiral. John McCain is not as vulgar as Palin. But he does have bad PTSD that is why he gets so angry. If he was not from an influential family and the media did not make POW’s out as heroes he would have been hiding in the woods of Alaska, just like so many combat vets like me. John McCain will die soon from heart related problems and the thought of her being president should make all very afraid.

Posted by: Archie Haase | October 5, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

Palin’s character is showing. She’s more than willing to stand up for a man and do nothing but his dirty work. She looked for a sleazy one … and found it. She’s an act. The name of her act: LIAR.

Posted by: newz4i | October 5, 2008, 10:13 am 10:13 am

ja
that sounds exactly like mccain and palin—-

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:14 am 10:14 am

Terry -
If you want to talk radical associations, I’ll see you Ayers and raise you Todd Palin’s association with the Alaskan Independence Party. His ties with that scary organization are much more solid than anything between Ayers and Obama.
And guess what? We also found out yesterday what Palin reads! Newsflash! It’s the quotes on her Starbucks cup. She mentioned Madeline Albright’s quote that, “There’s a place in Hell reserved for women who don’t support other women.”
Actually, the quote is “help other women,” but in either case it’s offensive to me because I don’t want to be told by Sarah Palin that I have to vote for her because she’s a woman. I don’t have to and I won’t.

Posted by: Caroline | October 5, 2008, 10:15 am 10:15 am

Fact Check:Is Obama ‘palling around with terrorists’?
Verdict: False. There is no indication that Ayers and Obama are now “palling around,” or that they have had an ongoing relationship in the past three years. Also, there is nothing to suggest that Ayers is now involved in terrorist activity or that other Obama associates are.
Just some more slimey lies from the Troopergate Fiasco Liar. How hypocritical can you get. Someone under a criminal investigation for abuse of power calling soemone a terrorist. What a bunch of losers Sarah Palin and the McCain Campaign are.

Posted by: My Name is NoBody | October 5, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

There is nothing “dirty” about exposing what Obama and the media SHOULD have made public by now.
And the info about Ayers is just the first of Obama’s secret associations you will be shocked to discover in the next 30 days.
It is about time that Obama is made to come clean.
If he can explain these shadowy relationships, good.
If not then he doesn’t deserve our vote!
McCain has ALWAYS loved America and put America FIRST.
Let’s make him #1!

Posted by: ruo | October 5, 2008, 10:16 am 10:16 am

The self-anointed One threatens to go after anyone who dares to discuss in any detail the “guy in the neighborhood” who held a fundraiser in his very own terrorist shelter and the “education” project that suggests it was Ayers himself who placed Obama as head to disperse the funds for re-education via their left-wing Chicago groups.
The media has barely even breathed less, but now is willing to do so in the context to dismiss it even before it’s been viewed.
The public has no idea that the Democrats have advanced along with the Chicago Daly Mob Machine the most left wing person in the history of the nation.
One suspects that this travesty will not continue.
And that America may consider whether socialism is the future or the way to failure, led by a man with no examined record as the “National Journal” indicated recently in deeming the media’s coverage the worst on behalf of pushing Obama to the finish line.
The irony that the very man who aided and abets his friends in Fannie & Freddie in putting this nation into the worst financial crisis since 1929 is too rich.
Not to mention that in three years, Obama has moved into the top 3 of government officials on the dole to protect that quasi government agency from spreading its virus of corrupt mortgages throughout the financial system.
The media doesn’t want to discuss any of this and hopes to run out the clock but it’s happening. And maybe, just maybe it will be in time.

Posted by: romanesq | October 5, 2008, 10:18 am 10:18 am

He hangs out with terrorists. The latest “friend” of Obama to be mentioned is Rashid Khalidi. Obama attended a church for TWENTY YEARS led by a racist bigot who hates America. Michele Obama can barely mask her hatred of America. Won’t she be a fine first lady! Who paid for Obama’s Harvard education? Google it. For those who are afraid that McCain will take you deeper into war…Don’t worry. You won’t have to leave home for the war that Obama will bring to you.

Posted by: Wakeup!!!!!!!!! | October 5, 2008, 10:19 am 10:19 am

mccain is a traitor and his broadcasts prove this –he had the rep as the crown prince of the hanoi hilton-for his propaganda against the military and the usa.just a few actual facts.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:20 am 10:20 am

In these difficult times the people long for answers, not for campaign tactics.
The republican campaign is in the hands of Karl Grove spin doctors. It’s sad that McCain don’t see they don’t offer any new idea’s or leadership, they only offer some soundbites, some winks in the camera’s.

Posted by: CLabs | October 5, 2008, 10:21 am 10:21 am

I wonder if, when John McCain was bombing North Vietnam, he ever hit the target? Or did he just reckelssly drop his bombs all over the place like he’s doing now in the campaign? Just curious.

Posted by: Gary Menten | October 5, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

So – my fellow Americans let me help you out with a bit of advice – commonly known words of wisdom. If you keep doing what you have been doing for the past 8 years you WILL get the same results. I’m not the first to put that statement in a post and let me be clear that in this instance the statement is aimed primarily at Republican party supporters!
T he idea of voting for the BEST man for the job sometimes has to be a little bit unselfish. The fact of the matter is that Obama’s ideas are clearly much better for the country – and a country is its people. There are too many “I’m alright Jacks” in America and these are people who say “so what if my neighbor or other peoples children who go to school with my children simply cannot afford good medical healthcare – not my problem” they say. Do you have any idea at all what level of medical care (and for how many years) could have been given to people of our country with the money we are spending in Iraq – on the wrong war??!!! How many more Barak Obama’s or Warren Buffetts for that matter, we could create through our education systems (how much better we could have educated Sarah Palin even) with the billions and billions of dollars we are spending in this folly!?
I just heard on TV that one of the bankers received an over $200 million dollar golden parachute for leaving a bank that was failing – Merrill Lynch. $200+ million! Here’s what you do – find out where he lives and go and ask him to feed the hungry families that live in your neighborhood for one year – one year. It would cost him a mere fraction of what he has in his bank account. Or ask him to build shelters for the homeless in your hometown again at a cost of a fraction of what he has. $18 million to another banker, $40 million to another. Unlikely. More power to them but what’s wrong with sharing the wealth? Which Obama’s plan would go a small way towards achieving.
Our democracy is still fairly young and perhaps we do need to tweak it a bit and truly become a government by the people and FOR the people. Call it socialism if you like but that person who is dying or watching a family member dying because they cannot afford to pay ANYONE to help them – they couldn’t care less what you called it. To them in these instances your so-called socialism is simply the help they prayed for that would give their loved ones life back to them. You get it?
And with the right leadership we can afford it. We are the greatest country in the world and can afford to provide the best medical care in the world to ALL of our people with the right strategies in place as well as the best education for more of us. It’s well known fact that whatever the mind can conceive it can achieve and Barak believes in his plans.
John McCain is always harping on about his war history – but when have you ever heard him preach about how much it hurts him to see our veterans (coming home from those wars he is so fond of boasting that he would continue) receiving the disgraceful treatment they are getting when they get back home, from the government that sent them to defend our freedom. Where is his outrage? Where is his promise to get them off the homeless streets, some of them, proper medical care, education? Or simply just a show of real gratitude for doing what they could when they had no choice?
Obama has stated clearly that he IS outraged by the treatment our veterans have received by the Bush administration that McCain supports and whose policies he would perpetuate, and Obama has promised to do something about it. McCain hasn’t even thought about it! McCain has voted against nearly every bill that’s come before him that would improve the benefits of veterans! VOTED AGAINST THEM!
He would however ask for even more money to send more of our military into harms way, but CLEARLY he is not known for preaching for there decent respect after they have served their purpose. Hypocritical and selfish, perhaps? Disgraceful and shameful as well in my view! Foreign policy expertise my ass! He needs to shut up about it!
If John McCain, George Bush and all of his crooked cronies REALLY cared about Americans they would have chased Bin Laden into the cave where he lives and would have trampled over anyone who got in our way! They didn’t. What was their real motive for going into Iraq? Profits for themselves and be damned to the lives it cost.
We could our people much better with all of the wasteful spending and unfair programs perpetuated by the current administration so that we would all understand the issues well enough to realize that they we someone who is a bit more up-to-date so find better solutions to the problems that exist in America today. We are a great young country we infinite amounts of creative possibilities but we’ve got to be brave enough to move forward. Obama and Biden are a great move forward. Say what you like about Joe Biden sometimes putting his foot in his mouth – a thing that a lot of people find a part of his charm. But there is probably one thing few people would argue with – if I were trapped down a dark alley it would be Joe Biden that I would be glad to have by me side!! I have absolutely no doubt about that! Joe Biden will be a great vice president and together they will be one of the greatest teams we’ve ever had in the White House. We will love them even more once they show us that they meant every word and so will people in other countries around the world.
One final point – what is being reported in the press today, on the web, and on the news channels is that the Republican are abandoning their party, John McCain and Sarah Palin in droves. They are more than likely the better-educated people in the Republican Party.

Posted by: Theodore Edwards Jr. | October 5, 2008, 10:22 am 10:22 am

obama wants to tax the top 5% of our people ( NOW TELL ME HOW MANY OF YOU ARE MAKING OVER 250 THOUSAND A YEAR)—MCCAIN IS AGAINST HIS FRIENDS BEING TAXED A LITTLE MORE—LETS SHOW HIM WHERE TO GO

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:24 am 10:24 am

Obama has a lot to be worried about, as evidenced by the obvious discomfort of his supporters here. The truth is coming folks. Despite the best efforts of your good friends in the despicable mainstream media (including ABC News) to suppress it. Obama’s attempt to “tack to the center” is a ridiculous charade being played on the voters (voters who actually care about such things as character – not the Obamatons who would elect a crack addict if that’s what it took to regain the White House)and he’s about to be exposed as the fraud he truly is. All the Soros money in the world won’t save him once the voters know his true nature and motivations. Too bad, so sad. Poor old Dems pick a loser again.

Posted by: Don | October 5, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

Whether Republican or Democrat, you should be alarmed at the following:
Obama’s tax plan.
INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
>
> Spread the word…..
>
> This is something you should be
> aware of so you don’t get blind-sided.
> This is really going to catch a lot
> of families off guard. It should
> make you worry.
>
> Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
>
> CAPITAL GAINS TAX
>
> MCCAIN
> 0% on home sales up to $500,000
> per home (couples) McCain does not
> propose any change in existing
> home sales income tax.
>
> OBAMA
> 28% on profit from ALL home sales
>
> How does this affect you?
> If you sell your home and make a profit, you
> will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
> If you are heading toward retirement
> and would like to down-size your
> home or move into a retirement
> community, 28% of the money you
> make from your home will go to taxes. This
> proposal will adversely affect the
> elderly who are counting on the income
> from their homes as part of their retirement income.
>
> DIVIDEND TAX
>
> MCCAIN 15% (no change)
>
> OBAMA 39.6%
>
> How will this affect you?
> If you have any money invested in stock
> market, IRA, mutual funds,
> college funds, life insurance, retirement
> accounts, or anything that pays
> or reinvests dividends, you will now
> be paying nearly 4 0% of the money
> earned on taxes if Obama become president.
> The experts predict that ‘higher
> tax rates on dividends and capital gains
> would crash the stock market yet
> do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
>
> INCOME TAX
>
> MCCAIN (no changes)
>
> Single making 30K – tax $4,500
> Single making 50K – tax $12,500
> Single making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 60K- tax $9,000
> Married making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 125K – tax $31,250
>
> OBAMA
> (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
> Single making 30K – tax $8,400
> Single making 50K – tax $14,000
> Single making 75K – tax $23,250
> Married making 60K – tax $16,800
> Married making 75K – tax $21,000
> Married making 125K – tax $38,750
>
> Under Obama your taxes will
> more than double!
> How does this affect you? No explanation
> needed. This is pretty
> straight forward.
>
> INHERITANCE TAX
>
> MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
>
> OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
>
> How does this affect you? Many families
> have lost businesses,
> farms and ranches, and homes
> that have
> been in their families
> for generations because they could not
> afford the inheritance tax.
> Those willing their assets to loved
> ones will not only lose them tothese taxes.
>
> NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
>
> * New government taxes proposed on
> homes that are more than
> 2400 square feet
>
> * New gasoline taxes (as if
> gas weren’t high enough already)
>
> * New taxes on natural resources
> consumption (heating
> gas, water, electricity)
>
> * New taxes on retirement accounts
> and last but not least….
>
> * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
> so we can receive the same
> level of medical care as other
> third-world countries!!!

Posted by: Jim WYO | October 5, 2008, 10:25 am 10:25 am

McCain can’t even get his facts straight on the issues in Iraq and THIS is a president we can trust to keep us safe? Whew! We’re in serious trouble if he winds up in the White House. Obama, while not perfect, is a really smart guy who is calm, measured, and THINKS. I don’t care about his religion or what church he went to or what his pastor said. I don’t care if he wears the flag on his jacket. Hey, Bush and Cheney wear the pin flag and they are really close to destroying this country with their so-called brand of “patriotism.” My concerns are my paycheck, gas prices, paying my mortgage, bringing our kids home from Iraq in one piece, and being able to pay my medical bills and I honestly don’t give two hoots about anybody’s religion or the so-called patriotic ornaments they have on their clothing. Obama will make a truly great president if we give him the chance to prove it. Let’s try to keep the garbage issues where garbage belongs – in the trash bin.
I am amused that people are surprised about McCain’s mumblings and inarticulate utterance on foreign affairs and the economy. McCain has reached the age of dementia – when memories go haywire and the brain sleeps while an individual thinks he/she is making sense. This is what is going on with Sen. McCain. This is natural and not his fault, but we are not going to be emotional and give him the presidency of this great nation to completely destroy what is left after Bush’s mess Period.

Posted by: geevill | October 5, 2008, 10:26 am 10:26 am

McCain would have been killed in Prison if it had not been his dad was admiral. John McCain is not as vulgar as Palin. But he does have bad PTSD that is why he gets so angry. If he was not from an influential family and the media did not make POW’s out as heroes he would have been hiding in the woods of Alaska, just like so many combat vets like me. John McCain will die soon from heart related problems and the thought of her being president should make all very afraid.

Posted by: Archie Haase | October 5, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

I’m not sure I’ve been so appalled by four words in my life. Recently Sarah Palin accused Senator Obama of “palling around with terrorists”. Palling around with terrorists. Spend a few moments with that image in your mind. That is a vivid, evocative, and deeply concerning statement that is utterly incorrect and reflect more upon Sarah Palin’s reckless, dangerous, and deeply disturbing character and personality. These are the kind of word bombs that, if lobbed at the wrong person, can ignite if not a word war, an all-out world war.
Can you imagine this woman spouting reckless comments on the world stage about Ahmadinejad, Hamas, Putin or God knows who else? If elected, this woman would become an official representative of the United States and step onto the world stage with her careless, impetuous, ignorant word bombs with absolutely no regard for the consequences. It is her unthinking boldness and her smug ignorance that, if elected, have the grave potential to careen this country toward total collapse.
Please, please, please send this to ten of your friends and encourage them to send it to ten of their friends and so on. We need a voter turnout against this woman that is so strong, so passionate and so determined to ensure Sarah Palin is not one tenuous heart beat from the Presidency.
Regarding Senator Obama “palling around” with William Ayers who was a leader in a radical and violent anti-Vietnam group from the 60s: The facts are a $200 contribution by Ayers to an Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership on the Woods Fund Board, an anti-poverty funding program. Ayers is now a distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley. A statement from the Obama campaign pretty much sums it up: “Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.”
Ridiculous, yes, but also dangerous, reckless, misleading and spoken by an inexperienced, careless woman who has no regard for facts or decorum.

Posted by: TRS2008 | October 5, 2008, 10:28 am 10:28 am

Obama’s ideas:
1.Trillion dollar spending plan
2. Socialized medicine
3. Pork, pork, pork for everyone
on the backs of the taxpayers
4. Completely destroy the Constitution
5. Abandon all voting laws. Anyone can vote at any time as often as they like as long as they are for Obama!
6. Attack Pakistan, a nuclear armed country.
&. Have tea with Ahmadinejad.
Get your Burkas out ladies!

Posted by: Wakeup!!!!!!!!! | October 5, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

My own view on McCain’s desire to be President of the United States – it’s is selfish to the core of his being, and if I may expound on this just a bit – his manic desire to overcome his extreme sense of inferiority when measured against the success of his ancestry. Many men in his family gained great achievement while serving our country by becoming Admirals and holding other top ranks in our military. John McCain did not.
He was most probably chided and even derided for his lack of achievement and desire to be a goof-off and leader of the “pack”. His friends hung out with him because he was able to persuade the girls to join them in their partying and let’s face it he hasn’t done too badly in that department – winding up with a wealthy women for his wife. Well done.
However as far as his still being a bit of a babe magnet is concerned – John let’s face it, you are a bit past it and I don’t think trying to PIMP Sarah Palin out there (who stupidly and gleefully has been fooled into believing she has what it takes!) is going to get you enough what you want. The supports of enough women to make a difference in helping you achieve your aims. Well, perhaps a few of the most stupid and less educated of them will vote for you.
John McCain has nothing more than the most selfish reasons for wanting to be President – to prove his family wrong and to “put them in their place”! When he decided to select Sarah Palin as his VP choice, what was reported was that he proclaimed, “She is exactly what I NEED – exactly what the American people need”. Clearly putting himself first and that was not a Freudian slip, it was from the core of his being. Ruthless, but stupid in the sense that he is clearly demonstrating that he has absolutely no respect for the intelligence of the American people – which in my view will be the ultimate legacy of his campaign.
John McCain – leader of the pack – of wolves. Easily. President of the United States of America…. not a hope in hell.

Posted by: Theodore Edwards Jr. | October 5, 2008, 10:29 am 10:29 am

WAKEUP
PALIN IS MISS PIGGY THE QUEEN OF PORK—MORE PER CAPITA THAN ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE USA.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:30 am 10:30 am

The same people who call Muslims religious fanatics are Ok with Palin’s extreme religious views, like her exorcism( see You Tube).They can criticize Obama’s character , but say anything about McCain and Palin and that is unpatriotic and sexist.

Posted by: Elencas | October 5, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

Hmmm Rodney…Interesting term…”per capita”. Any idea how “per capita” is determined? Nah. I didn’t think so.

Posted by: Wakeup!!!!!!!!! | October 5, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
> so we can receive the same
> level of medical care as other
> third-world countries!!!
Posted by: Jim WYO | Oct 5, 2008 10:25:57 AM
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All right-wing propaganda. None of it is true!! What do you think now, Jim?

Posted by: 2+2=whateveryousay | October 5, 2008, 10:32 am 10:32 am

“Obama has the wind at his back…”
That explains the odor in the election.
Watching the Roundtable this morning, I found myself wondering where have these brave pundits been for the last eight years while the US was digging itself into the hole? The media is determined to rig the election for an unqualified candidate because they label him progressive, but they can’t cover his past, his associations and they deny his obvious role in the current financial crisis.
Apparently, they figure out which way the wind is blowing, hold their collective nose, and dive in.
We’re on our own.

Posted by: len | October 5, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

“Poor old Dems pick a loser again.”
RFLOL…
McCain losing his marbles or Palin who can’t name any papers she claims to read.
Yeah, we are scared…..

Posted by: CLabs | October 5, 2008, 10:33 am 10:33 am

obama wants to tax the top 5% of our people ( NOW TELL ME HOW MANY OF YOU ARE MAKING OVER 250 THOUSAND A YEAR)—MCCAIN IS AGAINST HIS FRIENDS BEING TAXED A LITTLE MORE—LETS SHOW HIM WHERE TO GO
I remember Bill Clinton saying something similar, yet he promptly raised taxes on EVERYBODY after he got in office. How do we know Obama won’t do the same thing especially since the economy is on the skids.
And Yep, we got swept in the first round, oh well maybe 101 years is the lucky number.

Posted by: Cub Fan | October 5, 2008, 10:34 am 10:34 am

WAKEUP
WOULD MORE PER PERSON HELP YOU A BIT–OR IS THAT TOO DEEP

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:35 am 10:35 am

Matthew Yglesias:
Everyone’s already made fun of this from National Review editor Rich Lowry, so I’ll quote it then try to make a slightly non-mocking point:
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I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.” And her smile. By the end, when she clearly knew she was doing well, it was so sparkling it was almost mesmerizing. It sent little starbursts through the screen and ricocheting around the living rooms of America. This is a quality that can’t be learned; it’s either something you have or you don’t, and man, she’s got it.
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Now the simple fact of the matter is that Palin is an unpopular figure. There’s no sense arguing about this. Likewise, the polls show unambiguously that most people who watched her debate performance were unimpressed. And yet among male conservative pundits, this sort of gushing praise was extremely common. But before this loose talk of a Palin 2012 campaign takes off, people need to realize that her appeal seems grounded in the psychosexual hang-ups of conservative men. Her hyper-unpopularity with women makes her an unpopular figure overall, and talk of her mesmerizing qualities doesn’t change that.

Posted by: this cannot be mocked enough | October 5, 2008, 10:36 am 10:36 am

We all know the truth is only some where near what the press presents. We know that Obama is not completely liberation theology, Rev. Wright or Bill Ayers radical. We know that Obama did legal work the the ACORN organization – which has some corruption in it – probably less than we see in congress – Ted Stevens comes to mind.
The issue is whewre is the truth. We know that these bits of data out line the truth. Some where in the middle of all that is the true Obama.
The question is does that Obama look like the neighborhood we want for America.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 10:37 am 10:37 am

What about the students that are taught by this one – time terrorist, who is currently a professor at a university?Can anyone of them run for a high office in future?.If this man is such a dangerous terrorist, why is he teaching at a university and not serving life in Prison? I guess he is free to associate with anyone.
Obama was not with him when he was doing all those acts of terrorism.
McCain should give up and go home.He is too old and washed out. But we will remember that he served five years as a POW.Palin and the “first Dude” should start a comedy show on TV after she gets impeached in Alska.

Posted by: shigwegwe | October 5, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

I see the Obama freaks are up in arms over the fact that the McCain campaign has finally decided to do the vetting job that the MSM should have conducted months ago.
All McCain has to do is bring up the many facets of Obama’s questionable past during the next debate, and the MSM, in their endless “Fact Checking” after the debate, will be forced to actually do some digging into the Obama stories they have avoided for over a year.
They will either have to do that or allow McCain’s claims to stand as fact.
I remember how angry and frustrated Obama became when Ayers, Rezko and Wright were brought up during his final debate with Hillary, and how he tried to change the subject to “issues”. It will be interesting to watch him try to restain himself when these topics are brought up again, and try to change the subject again.

Posted by: Lee | October 5, 2008, 10:38 am 10:38 am

Remember to watch Hannity’s America tonight on Fox everybody. Other than bringing up Obama’s usual pals I hear he’s going to introduce some new ones. Does Obama have ANY friends who are centrists or are they all radical liberals?

Posted by: Right Wing Express | October 5, 2008, 10:39 am 10:39 am

Lets see if I got this right, Sarah Palin has claimed an 8 year old child who lived in the same city as a protestor of the Vietnam War 40 years ago, is “palling with terrorists”. Palin should stand down immediately for her despicable lies & slander. Its no wonder that the Republicans are always at war when they think like Sarah Palin. Obama is lucky he did not live near Alcatraz or Palin would accuse him of helping Al Capone with tax evasion. Do Americans really want to elect someone so desperate as Palin?

Posted by: FibsGalore | October 5, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Okay, I mean seriously, they are blowing it out of proportion. And I kind of have a nagging feeling they’re playing on the whole “terrorist” comment and Obama’s name, because of the association of Muslims with Islamic radical terrorist groups. That’s low.
Look, I mean, while they’re spouting all these lies about Obama, THEY’RE NOT EVEN TELLING US WHAT ON EARTH THEY PLAN TO DO TO HELP PEOPLE GET OUT OF THE HOLE THEY HAVE BEEN DUG INTO BY 8 YEARS OF BUSH.
That’s what I take umbrage to. Why is it they have to resort solely to attacking Obama’s character? Don’t they have anything to say about policies?
Maverick, Maverick, Maverick, I GOT IT. But I want to know WHAT you’re going to do (Other than “Shaking up” Washington, could you please be SPECIFIC as to HOW you are going to cut wasteful spending?) And you’re not telling me that, McCain/Palin.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

Remember to watch Hannity’s America tonight on Fox everybody…Posted by: Right Wing Express | Oct 5, 2008 10:39:11 AM
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yes, time to receive more subconscious programming from Fox “News” zombies.

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 10:42 am 10:42 am

These two are nothing but lies ,He picks all the bimbos.This woman is nothing but a time bomb waiting to go off.Good one to talk they fill her head and she spouts what they tell her.I want to know what they will do for this country and from what I have seen so far McBush and his side kid 6 pack ha-ha does nothing but cut people off at the knees.OPS stop everythiing— something has to be done OPSSSS pull out not winning in this state .OPSSSS not my choice of who I want to lead this country….

Posted by: indp voter | October 5, 2008, 10:43 am 10:43 am

watch fox freaks and friends and get a real laugh—-however saturday nite live has it down right–see the real palin—-yikes

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

Matthew Yglesias
Watching the debate is one thing but that guy obviously needs counselling. I’ve never got that excited over ANY political figure. Sort of like when Chris Matthews said he got a tingle up his leg when Obama spoke. Journalists these people are not. They need to just report the news, period.

Posted by: Gwen | October 5, 2008, 10:44 am 10:44 am

“this cannot be mocked enough” you have to realize that your own perception is colored by your beliefs. I would imagine that you are left leaning as many of us are.
Many independents liked Palin’s style and substance. She has an 83% approval rating in Alaska. I know there are more than 17% democrats in that state.
A question I ask myself is why was Couric so after Palin on the day that Palin packed up and sent her son off to Iraq. We know now that quite unlike the interviews that we saw, Palin can more than take care of herself in an argument. Why hit her with unanswwerable questions on day that is trying for any family.
We also did not see one minute of Couric saying anything about Palin preparing her family and her son for this very tough period of her son going out to do what they think is right for America and the American people.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

I now know why Palin’s minister was practicing witchcraft on her.

Posted by: Ron | October 5, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

Arizona has the least amount of pork per capita thanks in part to John Mccain who refuses to participate in pork barrel politics. Alaska has a tenth of the population of Arizona and has the highest per capita, again based on population, pork barrel spending thanks to Sen. Ted Stevens who is hopefully on his way out. Ted Stevens is an icon in Washington and he needs to go! He has proven himself to be corrupt. You cannot blame what he does in Washington on what Palin does, has done or possibly will do in Alaska. She has only had a couple of years at the helm and she has already made tremendous strides in fighting waste and corruption in Alaska. Imagine what she can do for the nation! Thanks for bringing it up Rodney!

Posted by: Wakeup!!!!!!!!! | October 5, 2008, 10:46 am 10:46 am

The tax cuts are just campaign gimmicks.
We have an enormous debt, an economy in ruins. And McCain have proven he is a danger to the economy.
His plans to fix the debt is by cutting spending, however he still hasn’t told us where he will find the billions of spending cuts needed for the tax cut.
And the Iraq war must end, it’s costing us more than the bailout.

Posted by: CLabs | October 5, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

mccain could never get a woman with some dignity to spew the lieing crap she is telling—an old lieing geser and a dipsy twit that dont have a clue.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

Oh Dear. You American’s a such a nice bunch of people. I can’t imagine why people in europe think so poorly of you and your government these days. Half truths, lies, and racism. Oh, ‘you guys are so scared because we’re gonna kick you ass in the election because you’ve got a candidate that cares about people,’ good way to improve this image. Why don’t you discuss the issues. This is what people all over the world are hoping for.
So, hmmm.

Posted by: oh dear | October 5, 2008, 10:47 am 10:47 am

Why is there no reporting of Palin’s approval rating in Alaska, now that people have gotten to know her?

Posted by: Ron | October 5, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

wakeup
is that why she is being investigated–as for arizona desert–a dollar would be enough.

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:49 am 10:49 am

We also did not see one minute of Couric saying anything about Palin preparing her family and her son for this very tough period of her son going out to do what they think is right for America and the American people.
Posted by: today | Oct 5, 2008 10:46:13 AM
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was it supposed to be an interview on why she is prepared to be the potential next vp of our nation, or a ‘lifestyle’ interview? maybe we should have also gotten a tour of her home, see how she decorates?
on the other hand, Biden just sent his son off to Iraq also–I don’t hear you wanting to hear more about that. and did you see the ice-princess’s reaction to Biden talking about the death of his wife and baby daughter, leaving his sons in critical condition? she’s a robot! “we are a team of mavericks!” she exclaimed, right away.

Posted by: this cannot be mocked enough | October 5, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

ObamaSupporter – I am calling you out. That negative language toward women is unacceptable in any forum.
Democrats have moved desperately close to the abyss. This hate speech is the sort of thing that happened in Germany and other totalitarian regimes.
As the media has endorsed hate speech of this type we are all guilty and must work against it.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 10:50 am 10:50 am

This is what we can expect from a McCain/Palin administration, I see. Dirty tactics are fine, it’s the end result that matters. Character assassination is fine too.
Whatever happened to “I will not take the low road to the highest office”?
They are exploiting the ridiculous guilty by association thing. Obama was EIGHT YEARS OLD and living in Hawaii when Ayers was pulling his acts of violence. Obama has never been close to Ayers, and has always condemned his acts.
McCain/Palin, DON’T YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT POLICIES?
MaverickPOWMaverickHockeyMumCountryFirstUSASHakethingsupinWashingtonMaverickMaverick
Can I have some specifics please? I think it is shameful they have said that they are trying to change the subject. OH, so they don’t think the economy is important? Why don’t they lay out an economic plan and let voters decide?

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Lets see if I got this right, Sarah Palin has claimed an 8 year old child who lived in the same city as a protestor of the Vietnam War 40 years ago, is “palling with terrorists”.
Obama was an adult when he hooked up with Ayers. Ayers got his political career going and they both served on a left-wing board lining their pockets with money that was supposed to be helping schools. There’s no 8 year old involved in all this, just Obama and Ayers, two adults.

Posted by: Mr Whiffle | October 5, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

palin stated at first that we have no effect on the enviroment global warming—–now she claims different—–whoops another lie

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

Peggy Noonan subtly ripped Palin again on Meet the Press. Everyone is worried she’s not up to this thing. Her numbers are worse than McCains.

Posted by: memyself | October 5, 2008, 10:52 am 10:52 am

Does anyone know of Sarah Palin’s association with radical elements in Alaska asking for independence from the US. The party has lobbied since the 1970s for the right to hold a referendum on whether Alaska should secede from the United States. Its motto, “Alaska First”, contrasts sharply with the John McCain campaign slogan: “Country First.”
It seeks “the complete repatriation of the public lands, held by the federal government, to the state and people of Alaska” and aims to be “self-sufficient” by using profits from Alaskan oil and gas resources. It claims that the vote held in 1958 which led to Alaska becoming the 49th state of the US was corrupt and did not offer a proper choice.
While it is thought that Mrs Palin officially left the party to become a Republican in 1996, she recorded an address for its convention earlier this year in which she said: “I share your party’s vision of upholding the constitution of our great state” and told members to “keep up the good work”. So much for “country first”.

Posted by: geevill | October 5, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

“this cannot be mocked enough”: you are wrong. We had full coverage of Biden sending his son off to training in preparation for his eventual deployment. All good. The coverage that was repeated was of Biden bowing in prayer at the convocation.
Democrats have assumed as their primary emotion hatred. When we see that happeneing we have to do something about it. Hatred is not a good motivation for picking the future.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 10:53 am 10:53 am

Barack Obama has exploited on every cataclysmic event that have befallen Americans. He wants to ride the mantra that he’s the chosen one. I’m sure he would have also bragged that the Chicago White Sox and Chicago Cubs being the playoffs is another sign of his anointment. Well the Cubs were swept and the Chicago White Sox are on the verge of being swept. This might be a sign that his star will eventually fall on November 4.

Posted by: zoilodel | October 5, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

just remember gang if biden would have crushed palin as we all know he could—you would call him a sexist—–compaired with biden next vp she is in kindergarden and he is the professor

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:55 am 10:55 am

Rodney,
Palin is being investigated for alledgedly requesting a state trooper to be fired. The trooper is her ex-brother-in-law who on camera admits he tazered his 11 yr old stepson. He is still a trooper. The real crime is that he still has a job in Alaska. With all the inadvertant deaths caused by tazers in the news lately, the real crime is that this trooper was not fired. The person that should be investigated is the guy who refused to fire the trooper. Should have been instant grounds for dismissal.
As for Arizona being a big desert…Uh yeah…with lots and lots of people. Don’t get out much do you?

Posted by: Wakeup!!!!!!!!! | October 5, 2008, 10:56 am 10:56 am

McCain would be part of the mafia if we applied this guilty by association thing.
What’s happened to the Straight Talk Express?
McCain and Palin are silent about fixing the economy and have only time to slam tenuous ties Obama “had” with Ayers.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

HOW can anyone vote for relic McCain when neither he or Palin can string together an intelligible sentence? The ONLY weapon in their arsenal is character assassination and an angry, mean-spirited old man. How can ANYONE fall for their lies and traitorous beliefs? I am from the “60′s” and that era at least had passion, community involvement, and fresh ideas…compared to the stale bread crumbs that McCain is throwing out to once again mislead our nation. Well, shucks, we certainly wouldn’t want an intelligent, well-reasoned, thoughtful elitist to be our president, would we? Maybe we could earn back some respect from the rest of the world but maybe we just like to bluster how “everyone hates us.! This country is already on it’s knees but we can still go face down. After all, read Bin Laden’s tapes about how he would bankrupt America. Mission Accomplished!Yes, we can be as stupid and stubborn as we like by following in George’s footsteps: Will the London Times once again declare us the Stupidest nation on earth the day after this election? OMG!

Posted by: lindaka | October 5, 2008, 10:57 am 10:57 am

“this cannot be mocked enough”: you are wrong. We had full coverage of Biden sending his son off…
Posted by: today | Oct 5, 2008 10:53:20 AM
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And we had the same news coverage for palin giving a speech when her son was leaving, all the same. I’m just interested as to why you think Couric should’ve spent more time on it?
Couric interviewed Biden as well… his answers just weren’t as “interesting” as palin’s–they were rational and made ssense.

Posted by: this cannot be mocked enough | October 5, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

rodney – you are celebrating SNL as your source for unbiased news. This is the organization who put out that the Palin daughter’s pregnancy was due to incest.
This is the sort of hate speech that should be pointed out for what it is. We are Americans. We are not going to go to the dark side to win an election – no matter how cute Tina Fey is.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

if mccain wants to get down and dirty —he has 26 years to account for and we will hold him accountable–that is a promise.
got to go to work
feed the wealty

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 10:58 am 10:58 am

Wakeup!!!!!!!!! ,
The issue is not so much about the trooper, but that she fired the OFFICER IN CHARGE for refusing to fire the trooper. This officer did not taser anyone.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 10:59 am 10:59 am

At least Obama is willing to use preemption to defend the important things…

Posted by: Mike | October 5, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Barack Obama has exploited on every cataclysmic event that have befallen Americans. He wants to ride the mantra that he’s the chosen one. I’m sure he would have also bragged that the Chicago White Sox and Chicago Cubs being the playoffs is another sign of his anointment. Well the Cubs were swept and the Chicago White Sox are on the verge of being swept. This might be a sign that his star will eventually fall on November 4.
You’re right on zoilodel. It’s as if he’s trying to portray himself as some type of religious figure and some people buy it hook, line and sinker. We can see by his many associations with leftist radical characters and organizations that he’s nothing more than guy who wants power and will do and say anything to get it. Likewise his supporters will say and do anything to cover his tracks, just look at the media.

Posted by: Right Wing Express | October 5, 2008, 11:02 am 11:02 am

Frank Rick on McCain’s Health:
Now McCain is looking increasingly shaky, whether he’s repeating his “Miss Congeniality” joke twice in the same debate or speaking from notecards even when reciting a line for (literally) the 17th time (“The fundamentals of our economy are strong”) or repeatedly confusing proper nouns that begin with S (Sunni, Shia, Sudan, Somalia, Spain). McCain’s “dismaying temperament,” as George Will labeled it, only thickens the concerns. His kamikaze mission into Washington during the bailout crisis seemed crazed. His seething, hostile debate countenance — a replay of Al Gore’s sarcastic sighing in 2000 — didn’t make the deferential Obama look weak (as many Democrats feared) but elevated him into looking like the sole presidential grown-up.
Though CNN and MSNBC wouldn’t run a political ad with doctors questioning McCain’s medical status, Gupta revisited the issue in an interview published last Tuesday by The Huffington Post. While maintaining a pretty upbeat take on the candidate’s health, the doctor-journalist told the reporter Sam Stein that he couldn’t vouch “by any means” for the completeness of the records the campaign showed him four months ago. “The pages weren’t numbered,” Gupta said, “so I had no way of knowing what was missing.” At least in Watergate we knew that the gap on Rose Mary Woods’s tape ran 18 and a half minutes.
It’s against this backdrop that Palin’s public pronouncements, culminating with her debate performance, have been so striking. The standard take has it that she’s either speaking utter ignorant gibberish (as to Couric) or reciting highly polished, campaign-written sound bites that she’s memorized (as at the convention and the debate). But there’s a steady unnerving undertone to Palin’s utterances, a consistent message of hubristic self-confidence and hyper-ambition. She wants to be president, she thinks she can be president, she thinks she will be president. And perhaps soon. She often sounds like someone who sees herself as half-a-heartbeat away from the presidency. Or who is seen that way by her own camp, the hard-right G.O.P. base that never liked McCain anyway and views him as, at best, a White House place holder.

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 11:03 am 11:03 am

saturday nite live has palin down EXACTLY-WHAT A TWIT
HAVE TO GO
GOODBYE

Posted by: rodney | October 5, 2008, 11:05 am 11:05 am

Sandra Bernhart said that Palin would be gang raped by black men if she ever came to New York. She has since that statement been strongly denounced for it. It is just troubling on a number of fronts. I would start with the racism and hatred of women that it exposes.
We have to think what environment encourages that sort of speech. We have let this dislike of politcal figures drag us into a very bad spot. Worse it keeps us from campaigning on the issues. Berhart should have said I do not agree with Palin’s position on abortion – a view the major it of us have by the way.
This hatred that is accepted by the democrats is a very negative force. Palin is a likable person. We should not hate her because of that.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 11:06 am 11:06 am

FACT: Obama tells through his books that his mentors growing up were Communists. Fact: Obama DOES has a close association with Bill Ayers the unrepentant domestic terrorist bomber/murderer as Obamas very first fund raiser was sponsored by Ayres.
FACT: Obamas “neighborhood organizer” days were with a group known as ACORN. A group steeped in VOTER FRAUD. FACT: Obamas official website first added, then removed, endorsements by Terrorist Organizations that are enemies of our country. FACT: Obama obviously lied about his relationship with his RACIST CHURCH. He was not only a donating member but also donated money to another church, (Catholic), that was run by another one of his rascist buddies.
FACT: Obama is not only pro-abortion, but endorses a far left “right” of infanticide.
One has to wonder what kind of person would actually endorse a person like Obama.

Posted by: Jack | October 5, 2008, 11:07 am 11:07 am

Again, the OFFICER IN CHARGE should have been fired for NOT firing the trooper. It was an aggregious violation to use a gov. issued WEAPON against an innocent eleven year old child! Had the child been harmed or worse, killed, who would have been held responsible? Oh, I guess Palin because she didn’t fire the OFFICER IN CHARGE of the vicious state trooper. I might mention this trooper also was witnessed drinking on the job and made death threats against Palin’s mother and father.

Posted by: Wakeup!!!!!!!!! | October 5, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Palin is likeable?
Not to me from how she is engaging in character assassination.
McCain’s advisor said a terrorist attack would be good to help him win the election. Wow.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Grey Matter, you wrote: “This officer did not taser anyone.” Actually the trooper admitted to tasering his stepson.

Posted by: James Danley | October 5, 2008, 11:08 am 11:08 am

Wakeup!!!!!!!!!,
The officer in charge apparently wanted proper records and documents to legitimately fire the officer, but was pressured by Palin.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 11:09 am 11:09 am

My view of Trooper gate is that the cop who was a menace and threated half the town should have been fired and removed from a position where he carries a gun around the community. This is by the way a centrally held democratic postion on rogue cops.
Further any management that does not do its duty and fire that rogue cop, should also be fired. We would not allow it in Los Angeles. It should not be allowed in Nome or where ever it was in that frozen state.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

James Danley,
I was talking about the officer fired by Palin. He was fired for not immediately firing the guy who tasered his son.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 11:11 am 11:11 am

One has to wonder what kind of person would actually endorse a person like Obama.
Excellent post Jack, but the left still won’t listen, they view him as some kind of Messiah who can solve all their problems yet in reality he’s just another leftist trying to pass himself off as a centrist. He has no real talents to speak of (except oratory) and hasn’t accomplished anything in his short Senate career.

Posted by: Right Wing Express | October 5, 2008, 11:13 am 11:13 am

oh dear
If you reflect the intelligence of Europe. Oh dear, God help those in Europe.

Posted by: The Unshrub | October 5, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Sorry grey matter…proper records and documents would not have been necessary if the trooper had been questioned by the officer in charge. The trooper admits on camera, that yes, he tazered his stepson. Rational? No. Reckless? Yes. There is no story here and Tod Palin will meet with investigators this week to attest to what he knows to be as the facts in this case.

Posted by: Wakeup!!!!!!!!! | October 5, 2008, 11:14 am 11:14 am

Look,
If the trooper really did engage in such acts of violence, Palin should have issued an executive order and brought it up. Of course I do not think someone who has done such things should be allowed to continue. But she should not have abused her power and fired the commanding officer. It tells me there’s something going on when a panel made up of both Republican and Democratic Senators all voted 12-0, in favour of opening an investigation.
If she did not do anything wrong, why are her staff ignoring subpoenas and why has she hired legislators to stall the investigation? That’s what smells fishy.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

I am a 55 year old female Independent voter. I have voted since I was eighteen, sometimes for Republicans, sometimes for Democrats for the President of the United States. I have always tried to vote for the person who seemed to have the most wisdom, courage, and ethics, NOT necessarily the most experience, because experience does not always equate with wisdom, courage, and ethics.
I am tired of hearing the McCain “experience” argument. Experience does not equate with WISE leadership. Obama stood up against an unjust war when it was unpopular. He is intelligent and well-educated, thinking critically about the long range effects of the actions of the U.S. government. He has served the American people in many ways from the ground up. He has been a courageous leader for positive changes in people’s lives.
Bush sold the war with lies, lies, and more lies. No weapons of mass destruction. If there were any, we supplied them when our government was friendly to Sadam Hussien when we were in favor of him having them. The terrorists responsible for the 9-11 attacks did NOT come from Iraq. Most of them came from Saudi Arabia, a country that the Cheney-Bush regime cowers to for their own economic benefit.
Too many lives have been lost in the Iraq war – our soldiers and their civilians. The U.S. has destroyed their country and has spent almost a trillion dollars and still counting to do so. Now, we must spend additional billions to rebuild what we have destroyed. I wonder who owns ammunition stocks and such…
John McCain supported this war and continues to support the war. His kind of experience we do NOT need. Such experience has made the U.S. look like terrorists to the rest of the world. We need someone to return us to a GREAT nation because of our wisdom and intellect.
I am confident that Obama and those he selects to help him govern will protect our country with wisdom rather than with experience toting guns, killing, and lies. God, help our country regain ethics, integrity, and wisdom.

Posted by: Terresa | October 5, 2008, 11:18 am 11:18 am

For those of you who think Obama associates himself with terrorists:
This has been proven by the facts to be false so the question is. Are you just too stupid to know better or are you a liar? Which is it? Those are your only two choices.

Posted by: The Unshrub | October 5, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

Obama stood up against an unjust war when it was unpopular. He is intelligent and well-educated, thinking critically about the long range effects of the actions of the U.S. government. He has served the American people in many ways from the ground up. He has been a courageous leader for positive changes in people’s lives.
You’re making him out to be some mythic infallible character when the facts say otherwise. You really aren’t that independent if you actually believe everything in your post.

Posted by: Mr Whiffle | October 5, 2008, 11:22 am 11:22 am

On trooper gate, those of us who have had a rogue cop or other person threaten them realize that it is very difficult to prove. In the case of this bad cop who taisered his own step son, he was alleged to threaten people verbal. There is no record of that. One proves this by the accumulation of evidence. These character faults do do occur in a vacuum. If they do one bad thing, they tend to do other bad things – like drink on the job.
Now if you are being threatened by a guy carrying a gun, believe me you will do anything in your power to get it to stop. We democrats know that there are some bad cops.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 11:25 am 11:25 am

Our morning paper carried an article about a minister in Ohio who is pushing his congregation to vote Republican “unless they want abortions and gay rights to prevail”. That is so wrong and so narrow-minded.
Most if not all of the so-called scandals and many platform issues involving either side are small things in the overall scheme of things. They should largely be ignored to focus instead on the greater needs of the country.
If one were to take the records of 1,000 politicians and scour them for every inappropriate incident, financial or otherwise, none of them would be 100% squeaky clean; some are just more blatantly greedy or immoral than others. To expect perfection in a politician is to ignore human nature.
Power and money brings with it baggage that some of us think inappropriate, and in some cases it turns out that way. But if the person who has that power and money _is_ doing, or who shows great promise _of_ doing, great things for all people then that is the person to vote for.
If you vote Republican, then prepare yourself for more — a lot more — of what people of this and other nations have been _suffering_ due to the “leadership” of Bush & Cheney.
If you vote Democrat, there is an excellent chance of a turnaround in our economy thanks to promising new leaders in the White House.
Think not just of your personal situation in life. Consider too those people you don’t even know and who you’ll probably never meet, who live in different circumstances but who might benefit from a change in leadership.
My money is on Obama & Biden — literally — and it would take a major event, proven by an authority much greater than the Internet or some sleazy ad or rumor-monger, to shake my belief in his abilities to bring change and a greater future for us all.
What Sen. Obama lacks in experience he makes up for in intellect and will. Sen. Biden brings the experience to the table. The pair will have the very best advisors at their command to cover any situation which might arise.
Personally, both are faithful family-oriented men who bring those values to the table. Both men embrace tolerance and fairness for all people.
What more could one ask for?

Posted by: George | October 5, 2008, 11:26 am 11:26 am

Stick a fork in McCain. He done.

Posted by: dem in chicago | October 5, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

Grey Matter, and the Democrats never thought about how a collapsed economy would benefit them? It is interesting how that the Democrats ignored all of the warnings by the Bush Administration and several senators–including Sen. McCain. In 2003, 2005 and 2006 the Democrats in the Senate protected both Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac against the attempts by the Bush Administration and the GOP senators to implement strict oversight of the two institutions. While the bills came out of committee (on straight party-line votes), the Democratic senators blocked the bills from being voted on by the entire Senate.
As for “troopergate,” the trooper’s boss is actually the Public Safety Commissioner. I don’t believe that the former Public Safety Commissioner, Walt Monegan, was called an “officer.”
Now then, as a member of the governor’s cabinet, the Public Safety Commissioner can be fired for ANY reason. The reason cited by Gov. Palin was that Commissioner Monegan refused to go along with the budget cuts that Gov. Palin requested.

Posted by: James Danley | October 5, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

The Republicans are growing DESPERATE !
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Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?
We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 5, 2008, 11:27 am 11:27 am

This has been proven by the facts to be false so the question is. Are you just too stupid to know better or are you a liar? Which is it? Those are your only two choices.
Please cite a source that 100% disproves all of his associations in question. It can’t be “The Nation”, “DailyKOS” or “Huffington Post” but must be an unbiased source. We all await your reply.

Posted by: Right Wing Express | October 5, 2008, 11:28 am 11:28 am

From Thatcher To Palin
Andrew Sullivan:
A reader chimes in:
I just want to ask: can anyone, anyone, imagine Condoleeza Rice or Margaret Thatcher or even Hillary Clinton for God’s sake, winking at the nation and/or being coquettish in any national format?
Yeah. Just checking.
The damage John McCain’s baldfaced sexism and Sarah Palin’s cocktail waitress act have done to American feminism has yet to be fully assessed. Palin has actually forced me to realize that, however much I despise Hillary Clinton, I have never doubted her professionalism and capacity to fight and win on her own terms in a male-dominated world by meeting and exceeding the standards of any male counterpart. (It was not her fault she ran against the political genius of his generation.) I cannot even imagine her winking and flirting on stage…
Thatcher remains the standard. She was not above using feminine wiles in charming individuals; but in public, in debate, in the Commons, she beat men at their own game, using nothing but knowledge, forensics, expertise, argument and courage.
From Thatcher to Palin is not a slide downwards for conservative women. It’s a free-fall. And McCain did it.

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 11:29 am 11:29 am

“The Unshrub” there is no reason to call anyone stupid who is willing to talk with you.
There is a preponderance of evidence that Obama does not hold the values of most Americans. He took off his American flag pin in the middle of the campaign. He was asked about what that meant and never gave a good answer.
America is extremely troubled by Obama’s association with the “Liberation Theology” crowd who tend to not like America or Americans. It is not much of a leap to also be worried about Ayers sponsoring one of Obama’s first campaign teas.
We accumulate these piece of evidence and attempt to move people in a positive direction. I am impressed that Obama is now wearing an American flag pin.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 11:31 am 11:31 am

sp: Reagan and Bill Clinton often winked and gestured in ways that America appreciated. If you have a problem with women, that is another issue.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 11:33 am 11:33 am

All McCain has left is nasty. On Meet the Press they were suggesting he stick to issues but I dont think the McCain camp has much strategic ability.

Posted by: bubba | October 5, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Look who has been for deregulation.
The one who shredded the regulations was not the democrats. And back then in 2003, didn’t the Republicans have a majority? With a Republican executive, it would have been easier to push bills through, no?
But even all of that aside, Obama’s tax plans and foreign policy make sense to me while McCain’s doesn’t. McCain wants to continue the war in Iraq, nice, but where is he going to get the money from? The trickle-down thing is not going to work with the economy in pieces like this. Do you know the bill we owe China (who is picking up part of the tab for the Iraq war) has about twelve zeroes behind right now? And don’t forget to add the interest.
McCain doesn’t want to talk the rogue governments. How is he going to engage them then? He wants all the preconditions thing-when it is so unrealistic to ask them to do something before you start talking to them with the purpose of persuading them to do something. He will just alienate the world. Bomb bomb bomb Iran. Nice McCain, Iran is not exactly a democracy and the normal Iranian people can’t control their president even if they wanted to.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 11:34 am 11:34 am

Its interesting that many of you are picking McCain/Palin apart for lying and deceit. Joe Biden, in the last debate, stated a mis-truth about Katies Restaurant (closed for two years), and his Home Depot spin. Yesterday, a reporter called all of the Home Depots in Bidens area…..none had seen him there. When was the last time he was out in his neighborhood talking to the little people….its appears as recently as two years ago!
As for Tropergate, this has been debunked all over the net. A little research rather than blind, uneducated, listen to only the MSM posting would be appreciated.
The MSM goes after Palin, but does nothing to research 0bama…oh, yes, you say, but the NYTimes published an article on the Ayers/0bama connection. What they failed to do was any research deeper than street level. Fox News had an interesting piece on this morning by an admitted obama “disliker”, but a respected journalist (wish I could remember his name), who actually did research regarding the Ayers/0bama connection. What he found out was that there was a very close connection between the two.
Please dos ome research on the web, don’t take ALL your talking points from the biased MSM.

Posted by: Mike A | October 5, 2008, 11:35 am 11:35 am

I find it laughable that the GOP seems to find it very patriotic to pay taxes to pay for a trillion dollar war, but somehow unpatriotic to have used that same money to have paid for universal health care coverage, infrastructure here at home that could have put hundreds of thousands to work, and investment into alternative energy that would get us off fossil fuels, all of which could have been done under this administration with hat level of spending. Such programs would have been cost neutral by the end of 8 years based solely on our ability to use existing and proved technology to reduce foreign oil purchases by 50%. So when you want to associate a candidate with terrorists: associate Bush, McCain and the GOP. Thanks to them, and the war they declared that had nothing to do with terrorism, the Constitution is in shambles, our economy is near bankrupt, our moral standing worldwide devastated, and our domestic policies draconian. Thank you Bush/McCain and GOP, the terrorists have won the only way they could, they got America to destroy itself.
Mission Accomplished.

Posted by: Louis | October 5, 2008, 11:36 am 11:36 am

sp: Reagan and Bill Clinton often winked and gestured in ways that America appreciated. If you have a problem with women, that is another issue. Posted by: today | Oct 5, 2008 11:33:48 AM
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as a woman, i have a problem with the GOP trying to pass off a woman like Palin as something similar to a woman like Clinton. Or any serious female politician.

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 11:38 am 11:38 am

So when you want to associate a candidate with terrorists: associate Bush, McCain and the GOP.
They’re trying to fight terrorists, Obama is trying to get indorsements and campaign money from them. A big difference.

Posted by: Gargoyle | October 5, 2008, 11:39 am 11:39 am

And a huge part of that trillion dollars was used to pay for overpriced private contractors who only drove up the costs and got involved in messes like the whole Blackwater thing.
Bush and Co. awarded the billion over dollar contracts to the contractors WITHOUT bidding. Which is why we are paying an obscene amount for this. In return, Haliburton or one of those contractors gave Bush and Co. a hefty donation of a few million dollars.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Unfortunately, and I have said this no matter who the president is, Congress is the controlling body for the economy, voting to go to war, etc. The president islittle more than a figurehead anymore. In fact, Congress has never granted authority to the president to “Contol the Economy”.

Posted by: Mike A | October 5, 2008, 11:40 am 11:40 am

Like I said on the other board I am undecided. Never thought I would be in this position. I am waiting for the debates to make my decision.

Posted by: Leo | October 5, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

I think we should be in Darfur to stop the genocide there. I also think we should in Arabian peninsula to push for equal rights for women and stop genocide there. Iraq is part of that area. The war there stopped a tyrant. The war was poorly managed – no disagreement there.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 11:43 am 11:43 am

And you know it’s not true how 2+2=whateveryousay. I posted this with the source, but it was pulled down immediately, I also had to take the link down to additional information.
Lets talk about Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Barak Obama and donations from Fannie’s and Freddie’s leaders. Lets talk about 2001, 2003 when Bush tried to get Congress to look at FM and FM. Lets skip ahead to 2005 and 2007 when McCain tried to get Congress to fix the FM and FM mess. Who stopped those attempts to solve the problem before it got out of hand? Try Barney Frank, San Fran Nan, Maxine Walters, Cris Dodd, Barack Obama. Who crucified the head of the commission that was appointed to investigate FM and FM. The same named democrats.
You can find all this information in the MSM if you check out the back pages and read through the watered down comments, and link the bits and pieces that are scattered about to hide the real story.

Posted by: JimWYO | October 5, 2008, 11:44 am 11:44 am

Though, Bush was the one who espoused the idea of jumping into Iraq.
It will make a lot of difference if we have a president that is not a war, but president who is interested in talking to the enemy. Constructive engagement. If you just ignore them, they’re just oging to continue spouting their vitriol. Unless you decide to declare war on them.
Look, the human toll on American soldiers, is it worth it? We do NOT need another war. The American economy is already in pieces. If America is weak economically, it won’t be long before the military strength follows suit.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 11:45 am 11:45 am

Jim WYO:
Mark Buse, McCain’s Senate chief of staff, earned $460,000 as a lobbyist for Freddie Mac in 2003 and 2004.
Buse joins McCain’s campaign manager Rick Davis in having close ties to the mortgage giant: Davis received more than $2 million for lobbying related to Fannie and Freddie, and received monthly payments of $15,000 through this August.

Posted by: 2+2=whateveryousay | October 5, 2008, 11:46 am 11:46 am

Any small business owner who thinks McCain’s health insurance plan is anything other that nonsense should be aware of some details most people ignore. You YILL BE PAYING more taxes. Any health insurance of employees that you pay for now will be added to the employee’s payroll. That’s a fact. Maybe for the employee the additional taxes he/she will have to pay for that additional income will be offset by a tax credit BUT you will still have to pay payroll taxes on that amount. That means if you are now paying $10,000 a year for someone’s insurance you will now have to pay FICA tax, unemployment taxes, and worker’s comp. That will easily exceed 10% or more. How much do you pay for health insurance for all of your employees? Because under the McCain plan you will be paying AT LEAST 10% more for the same amount of health insurance. Good Luck with that! If your health insurance costs are $100,000, you will be required to pay over $10,000 in additional payroll taxes. Will you be even able to afford to continue to pay for their insurance? Eventually you will not be able to afford to reimburse employees for their health insurance and then the employee will have to pay for insurance out his or her own pocket. Some of them will not be able to afford insurance. Now we will have more people out of insurance. Who is going to pay for those costs? This will end up being another bail out and cost the taxpayers more money, unless everyone is willing to let those without insurance to go without health care. Thank of what that will do for your employees? Think about how that will affect your business.

Posted by: The Unshrub | October 5, 2008, 11:47 am 11:47 am

Right JimWYO
Even Greenspan gave a warning at that time, yet it’s convenient for liberals to blame Bush.

Posted by: Mr Whiffle | October 5, 2008, 11:48 am 11:48 am

“Mike A” – I agree corruption in congress and all parts of American life is our most pressing internal problem. There was undeniably terrible corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Those loans ruined people’s lives and our economy. Wall Street is also culpable.
McCain has been an interesting character in this arena. We was touched by corruption in the Keating 5 scandal. He has since that time been a crusader against corrupt practices. His anti-earmark stance has been righ ton the money – probably a bad term.
Obama has bene touched by corruption himself – the Rezko and ACORN deals are troubling.
Most of all I want someone who is for America and Americans. Hard to believe that is even an issue. America has become so polarized.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 11:50 am 11:50 am

today
There is a difference between McCain and Obama that you conveniently forgot to mention. McCain with cited by Congress for wrongdoing, and Obama was cleared of all wrongdoing. Oh My!!

Posted by: The Unshrub | October 5, 2008, 11:53 am 11:53 am

NO NEED TO LIE about Barack Hussein Obama. His closest friends, mentors, and advisors are: The racist, America hating Jeremiah Wright whom we all saw on TV. Bill Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn, unrepentant Communist terrorists who attempted to murder Americans with bombings. Tony Rezko, jailed crook who had realestate dealings with B.O.
Obama had decades long relationships with these scoundrels which either means he agrees with them or that his judgement is so lacking that he didn’t know enough to divorce himself from them. In either case, he has disqualified himself for consideration for the Presidency.

Posted by: Ron | October 5, 2008, 11:56 am 11:56 am

Folks, don’t blame Jake for erasing your posts. He wrote on this very issue last week (look at the archives).
ABC uses a third party to monitor posts; anything deleted is their doing.

Posted by: George | October 5, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

To Unshrub (posted 11:22)
Thank you for an articulate and well considered post, rather than the blind ranting of the tribal party followers.

Posted by: Lookaround | October 5, 2008, 11:57 am 11:57 am

But Grey Matter that does not matter to me. I am really torn about this and will look at the debates which in my opinion are the only credible source. Obama has not been up over McCain more than 12 points. So obviously someone is for McCain. As an undecided I have seen that I can’t really trust the media to be fair. I will not let SNL skit their way into my brain. The debate is all I have.

Posted by: Leo | October 5, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

For ALL people to PONDER on this blog:
1. If there was a video of a BLACK Pastor praying on Obama to protect him from Witchcraft, what would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over.
2. If Obama paraded a pregnant teenaged daughter with her BLACK lover on stage at the Democratic National Convention. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
3. If Obama had chosen Sarah Palin if she were a democrat, and then everything happened showing her gross deficiencies.What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
4. If Obama was a part of Keating 5. What would happen?Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
5. If Obama had committed adultery and then divorced his crippled wife who stood by him while he was a POW and married a rich heiress, now has 9 homes and 13 cars. What would happen?Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
6. If Obama had been running the swift boat adds and politics like McCain with outright 100% lies disproved by factcheck.org. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
7. If Obama had made 1/4 of the gaffes and lies that Mccain has made including the fundamentals of our economy are good. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
8. If Obama’s daughter went on National tv and said that Obama dated a stripper and was wild in his younger years. If Obama was anywhere close to McCains moral failings in his life. What would happen? Answer: Obama’s presidential bid would be over
9. If Obama had verbally abused and berated the media for bias and sexism the way Mccain and Palin have done. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
10. If Obama had removed his VP from scrutiny by the press and did exactly what Mccain did with Palin. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
11. If Obama has been anywhere close to Mccain in the conduct of his campaign. What would happen?Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
I could go on and on.. but my point is… the hypocrisy of the republicans and so many in this country is on such a low shameful and painful level that I cannot find an adjective to describe it. These people have ZERO objectivity and ZERO conscience… Obama is held to a much higher standard because of ONE reason only… the color of his skin… The racists out there reading and screaming don’t know this point and remember it always…
“who God blesses NO MAN CAN CURSE” I hope Obama wins for the sake of this country… The republicans are praying and hoping that the idiots and uneducated racists and bigots will return their failed party to power… Their support is critical and so the only way to appeal to hate is to manufacture lies and innuendo, reapeat it enough times that the “heartland of America” would vote “white”. Sad, because 4 more years of Bush won’t help them anymore than the last 8 years did… Am just soo tired of all the hate and racism I read on the blog sites… people pretending to debate facts when instead they are debating their hate, racism and bigotry… all because they cannot stand the thought of a man with black skin in the white house… never mind the way this country has gone down the crapper and the fact that the two women who raised Obama are as white as they come… There is only one choice in this election, anyone with common sense knows Obama is that choice… but then… reading the posts on the internet blog sites… common sense is NOT so common… oh well… God help us… My last question: why is the media allowing all of this to occur?

Posted by: jB | October 5, 2008, 12:00 pm 12:00 pm

McCain’s political stunts have failed him, and the latest will too.
The man simply does not have a message, nor a a reasonable VP Choice. Anyone can put it together; this is what his administration would look like, a disaster.

Posted by: Thinking | October 5, 2008, 12:01 pm 12:01 pm

JB “There is only one choice in this election, anyone with common sense knows Obama is that choice… but then… reading the posts on the internet blog sites… common sense is NOT so common..”
Comments like these don’t help undecided voters like me. They just make me run the other way from Obama. I wish Obama people would stop insulting undecided voters.

Posted by: Leo | October 5, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

Grey Matter, it requires 60 votes in the Senate in order for a bill to be voted on by the entire Senate.
Now as for Sen. Obama’s tax plans, did you even read my earlier post regarding the facts about Sen. Obama’s tax plan?

Posted by: James Danley | October 5, 2008, 12:04 pm 12:04 pm

jb: you do go on and on. Obama gets no negative press as the mainstream media is currently controlled by geezer who came up during the 60s when it wash chic to be radical.
The issues in this campaign are corruption and what it is to be an American. Look at the immigration issue – we can now look at that with some objectivity. I think McCain failed that test.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 12:05 pm 12:05 pm

George
You seem focused on an issue from a generation ago – still calling people, who may disagree with you, “communists” suggests that you never got out of the 1970′s. A more coherent and relevant argument might help your cause.

Posted by: Lookaround | October 5, 2008, 12:06 pm 12:06 pm

What particularly disturbs me is that McCain’s response to a crisis- sliding poll numbers and a Wall Street Meltdown-offers a foreshadowing of how he would run his administration.
Can you imagine? Let’s say he screws something really bad up in Iraq. People are getting very angry with him and affecting his re-election chances. What is he going to do, distract, change the subject, instead of confronting and addressing his mistake head on-and do the same thing he is doing now?

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

Leo…
My contribution was not for undecided voters.. it was in response to the venom and lies spewed by so called republicans.. it is an attempt to show the DOUBLE STANDARD… It is my humble opinion and not to make you vote for Obama…

Posted by: jB | October 5, 2008, 12:07 pm 12:07 pm

As an educated female, it is beyond me how ANYONE can believe that Palin is qualified to be a mayor, govenor, let alone vice president of the United States. Her cutie-pie winks at all of the “JOE 6-Packs” panders to the non-thinking male. She does diligently work to turn-on people with her good looks and sex appeal. But, “Gosh, darn,” God save us from this woman. She does not have the wisdom of other “down home” political commentators like Will Rogers or John Henry Faulk, Jr. Palin is all cutsie sarcasm and lies. Please get her off the political stage. Her canidacy is insulting to all women of intelligence. Men, please, quit thinking with your sticks.

Posted by: Terresa | October 5, 2008, 12:08 pm 12:08 pm

James Danley,
I believe if we cut and trim wasteful spending on inefficient programs, we will get some money from that, as Sen. Obama would do.
And maybe if we got out of Iraq which bleeds us about US$10 billion per month.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 12:10 pm 12:10 pm

Terresa, I like Sarah Palin and I feel she is qualified to be Mayor and Governor. Your criticisms are over the top and just as bad as people who claim that Obama is a Muslim. So the trouble with undecided voters like me. That is why we look to the debates. There were some Obama canvassers at my door last week and neither could tell me why I should vote for him except that he was for change. That is not enough for me.

Posted by: Leo | October 5, 2008, 12:11 pm 12:11 pm

McCain needs a better tactic than trying to accuse Obama of being a terrorist.
As an American planning on retiring just about now, I am watching my retirement account and my home value plummet.
I did all the right things, save and invest.
Now , in the last two weeks, the government is telling me it could all vanish.
If McCain thinks that talking Obama’s terrorist connections is more important than what to do to save my 401K and my home…that’s fine.
I’ll just listen to what the other side has to say

Posted by: Norris Hall | October 5, 2008, 12:13 pm 12:13 pm

TODAY..
Obama gets no negative press…are you kidding me… What Planet are you on??? or is your memory short… Rezco has been beaten to death, Rev Wright has been beaten to death… has anyone talked about Keating Five, you know Palins husband belonged to that radical group… The media spent weeks on negative press for Obama… what are you talking about…

Posted by: jB | October 5, 2008, 12:14 pm 12:14 pm

Yes and only FOX has talked about ACORN and the voter fraud issues. I did not see any coverage on CNN or MSNBC

Posted by: Leo | October 5, 2008, 12:15 pm 12:15 pm

Well, maybe Palin is qualified to be Mayor or Governor, but VPOTUS? That’s a huge leap.
Considering McCain’s old age and history of cancer, and Palin’s considerable lack of foreign policy experience (Obama was pretty knowledgeable about it at the first debate, he’s no lightweight on that), she’s not qualified to be VPOTUS or POTUS.
There’s a huge leap between being a Governor to the Vice or President of the United States who has to deal with many countries and fix the broken economy.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 12:16 pm 12:16 pm

Teressa: your view of qualified would have kept people like Truman and even Clinton out of office. People really do not like that ridiculous biting of the lip that is supposed to be a turn on for women.
Is Palin better qualified via her executive experience than say Jimmy Carter or Obama?
Is she more qualified becuase she seems to be for American and Americans – probably.
Is she more qualified because she can communicate – definitely.
These personal issues are not what we should be talking about. How about Palin’s position on abortion.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 12:17 pm 12:17 pm

Obama has less foreign policy experience, yes, but unlike Palin he has shown he understands the nuances of it, and is pretty informed about foreign policy. He studied political science, after all.
Palin has been a governor for around less then two years, before that she was mayor of Wasilla. Obama, however, spent eight years in the Illinois Senate representing a Congressional District that had more people then the whole state of Alaska, taught Constitutional Law, before moving up to the US Senate.

Posted by: Grey Matter | October 5, 2008, 12:20 pm 12:20 pm

If McCain meant that the economy was fundamentally good because of the American workers, why are all the jobs going to foreigners imported on visas under the guise that employers cannot find qualified talented Americans? End H1b now and put millions of Americans back to work!
Obama/Biden 08!

Posted by: Common Sense | October 5, 2008, 12:23 pm 12:23 pm

AMIDST THE NOISE, AMERICA IS ABOUT TO MAKE A HISTORICAL DECISION THAT MAY CHANGE ITS WAY OF LIFE
Numerous forces are at work, pressuring American voters into a decision during a time of extreme stress.
This is not a time for knee-jerk or emotional reactions. Cool heads should prevail.

Posted by: PacificGatePost | October 5, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

Today’s New York Times examines the hard right attempts to smear Barack Obama with the political past of Bill Ayers, and came to the same conclusion that we reached here at Edwize last June:
…the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called “somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.”
…Even some conservatives who know Mr. Obama said that if he was drawn to Ayers-style radicalism, he hid it well.
“I saw no evidence of a radical streak, either overt or covert, when we were together at Harvard Law School,” said Bradford A. Berenson, who worked on the Harvard Law Review with Mr. Obama and who served as associate White House counsel under President Bush. Mr. Berenson, who is backing Mr. McCain, described his fellow student as “a pragmatic liberal” whose moderation frustrated others at the law review whose views were much farther to the left.
Don’t expect the smears to stop before November, especially as the prospects for the McCain campaign appears more and more desperate.

Posted by: CLabs | October 5, 2008, 12:25 pm 12:25 pm

According to Fox, Acorn is the bad guy because they help people register to vote. Republicans claim that there is no way there are two people in the same country with the name John Smith, so that constitutes voter fraud. It is a ridiculous ploy! The real question is why don’t republicans want most Americans to vote?
Obama/Biden 08!

Posted by: Common Sense | October 5, 2008, 12:26 pm 12:26 pm

Incidentally Ayers founded an organization because he was against another of America’s forgotten flawed wars from its past – Veitnam war. Today we are in another flawed war – Iraq war where we are not supposed to be.
In both case we went thousands of miles away from our homeland and killed a lot of their natives to further our strategic objectives. We wanted to stop the spread of communism in some other land, and today we want to spread a string of democracies in other lands.
Thats how great this shining city on the hill is! We want to do these at GUN POINT. Kill others to follow our greatness. Long live America

Posted by: JSmith | October 5, 2008, 12:28 pm 12:28 pm

I like McCain’s idea of giving everyone $5000 so they can choose.
Obama would rather force you to have it… at least force it on you if you’re a cute kid, otherwise, if you’re an adult, no help for you.
Obama, don’t even go there. Your crony Democrat friends are the reason Fannie/Freddie took on loans they knew were crap, which killed the financial system. You took more money from them but the Democrat heading the committee in charge of them.

Posted by: John | October 5, 2008, 12:30 pm 12:30 pm

But Grey Matter I don’t find Obama to be qualified and he is at the top of the ticket. Again this is why I am undecided. It bothers me that Obama supporters are not even in their criticism of all 4 candidates. Let’s face it Obama was a senator for 143 days before he ran for office. His resume is scant. That is not a lie. Then his supporters criticize Palin’s experience when as an undecided voter looking at the VP debate I realized that all 3 candidates had some stories of experience to draw upon except Barack Obama. He hardly mentioned Illinois or any of his legislation during the entire debate. That did not gel well with me or my wife who is undecided.

Posted by: Leo | October 5, 2008, 12:31 pm 12:31 pm

Terresa,
I agree. Palin is an insult to every woman in America with her flirting and air-headed slogans. What ever happened to beauty AND brains?!
Obama/Biden 08!

Posted by: Common Sense | October 5, 2008, 12:32 pm 12:32 pm

Is Palin better qualified via her executive experience than say Jimmy Carter or Obama?
Is she more qualified becuase she seems to be for American and Americans – probably.
Is she more qualified because she can communicate – definitely.
Posted by: today | Oct 5, 2008 12:17:34 PM
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How is she more experienced? How is she more “for” Americans when her husband belonged to an anti-American sessesionist party in Alaska? and – really? – she communicates better than, who? Bush? Second graders?

Posted by: really? | October 5, 2008, 12:35 pm 12:35 pm

Rick Davis – John McCains own campaign manager – was paid 2million dollars By Fannie and Freddie to make sure the regulation on them is REDUCED.
Fannie and Freddie wanted Rick Davis SPECIFICALLY because he was close to the great deregulator Rick Davis.
Today’s housing crisis primarily came because of RICH speculators who bought houses taking loans betting the value of those houses will rise. This resulted in bubble. This is what will happen if you let the ultra Rich people get more tax cuts – as Bush did.

Posted by: JSmith | October 5, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

OBAMA IS VERY DANGEROUS FOR THE SECURITY
OF U.S.A…….
OBAMA’S CONNECTIONS WITH ANTI-AMERICANS
DOESN’T QUALIFIED HIM FOR THE JOB OF COMMANDER IN CHIEF………
SECURITY AND DEFENSE OF U.S.A. COMES
FIRST………..
BEST CHOICE IS:
McCAIN/PALIN ’08

Posted by: Nicholas | October 5, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

I like McCain’s idea of giving everyone $5000 so they can choose.
Obama would rather force you to have it… at least force it on you if you’re a cute kid, otherwise, if you’re an adult, no help for you.
Posted by: John | Oct 5, 2008 12:30:31 PM
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Obama would ‘force’ you? Who said that? Children would be covered, but adults could choose the same coverage available to govt workers (including those in Congress). do some research! jebus.
and McCain’s little $5,000 trick? It’s paid for with the tax he would impose on employers who provide health care coverage to their employees–many of which would drop this benefit because of the tax. so there you are with $5,000 and an average family plan costs $12,000. That should work out well!
McCain: I don’t understand the economy, but vote for me anyway ’08

Posted by: really? | October 5, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Leo, I agree with you.
Congress has never given control of the economy to the president.
And American people make this a great country, so less government is always best. Go Americans Go! Get it done for each other.

Posted by: TEX | October 5, 2008, 12:38 pm 12:38 pm

Meant my comment for Mike A. Sorry.

Posted by: TEX | October 5, 2008, 12:41 pm 12:41 pm

, so less government is always best. Go Americans Go! Get it done for each other. Posted by: TEX | Oct 5, 2008 12:38:48 PM
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yes, tex, that worked out so well with the savings and loans and more recently, with Wall Street and the trillion dollar buy out.
deregulation–it’s what McCain has always been for. Until he was against it recently.

Posted by: really? | October 5, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

“the reason Fannie/Freddie took on loans they knew were crap, which killed the financial system.”
I know this is a favorite excuse from the republicans, except it’s not the truth.
The financial system was killed by deregulation. You used to take a mortgage and payed back the mortgage to the same bank the next 20-30 years.
Wallstreet then came up with ‘innovative’ investments where they traded packs of mortgages with each other. As long as the house prices keep rising there was no problems, but it was a bubble waiting to burst.
Warren Buffet already warned us against this in 2003.

Posted by: CLabs | October 5, 2008, 12:42 pm 12:42 pm

Obama’s shady associations:
Wright: “Gog d___ America! The US deserves 9/11 attack.”
Ayres: “I did not bomb enough the Pentagon.”
Rezko: Real Estate deal
Michelle (Obama’s wife): ” I lived in America all my life. But May 2008 was MY FIRST TIME BEING PROUD OF AMERICA.”
Enough said!

Posted by: ablanche08 | October 5, 2008, 12:45 pm 12:45 pm

Putting my outrage at gutter politics aside, here’s the deal IMO.
The numbers are just awful for McCain. At this point they have to sweep the table and take all contested states to win. Almost impossible.
This is all about utter desperation. They have to decapitate Obama to win at this point and they’ve proven that utterly desperate measures are needed and just fine with the MAVERICK team. lol

Posted by: biowolff | October 5, 2008, 12:49 pm 12:49 pm

Enough said!
Posted by: ablanche08 | Oct 5, 2008 12:45:54 PM
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1. Keating Five
2. Cindy McCain’s drug problem / DEA investigation
3. Troopergate
4. AIP – Todd Palin’s membership
5. Mark Buse, McCain’s Senate chief of staff, earned $460,000 as a lobbyist for Freddie Mac in 2003 and 2004.
6. Buse joins McCain’s campaign manager Rick Davis in having close ties to the mortgage giant: Davis received more than $2 million for lobbying related to Fannie and Freddie, and received monthly payments of $15,000 through this August.
7. Palin’s tax returns and not claiming all the income received (paid to live in her house by per diems from the State govt)

Posted by: sp | October 5, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

I think it’s disgusting that we have a candidate that associated with somebody that planned murders and firebombings – someone that even went as far as to call for the assassination of a President.
I’m talking, of course, about John McCain and his longtime supporter G. Gordon Liddy. If John wants to play the guilt by association game, then let’s look at his friends too. BTW – Sarah Palin’s husband has ties to Alaska secessionists…by her own logic she must also hate America.

Posted by: Jerry | October 5, 2008, 12:50 pm 12:50 pm

Matthew Yglesias:
How close are McCain and Liddy? At least as close as Obama and Ayers appear to be. In 1998, Liddy’s home was the site of a McCain fundraiser. Over the years, he has made at least four contributions totaling $5,000 to the senator’s campaigns — including $1,000 this year.
Last November, McCain went on his radio show. Liddy greeted him as “an old friend,” and McCain sounded like one. “I’m proud of you, I’m proud of your family,” he gushed. “It’s always a pleasure for me to come on your program, Gordon, and congratulations on your continued success and adherence to the principles and philosophies that keep our nation great.”
Liddy is, one should note, unrepentant for his crimes on behalf of Nixon.

Posted by: really? | October 5, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Thanks every one for letting me sit in and watch this. As with most blogs there is nothing going on but smearing, and more so from the Obama supporters. I am still undecided and like I have said I will look to the debates.
Bye I am going someplace to find more intellectual conversation.

Posted by: Leo | October 5, 2008, 12:52 pm 12:52 pm

Reverand wright said – America got what it deserved on 9/11
Fact: CIA funded and created the religions Frankenstien Mujahideen to fight the godless Soviets in Afganistan. The Mujahideen after the Soviets left morphed into Taliban. After Soviets left Taliban turned on the great Satan US. America’s Frankenstien chickens indeed came home to roost.
William Ayers – Founded Weather underground a radical underground movement that fought america’s involvement in the much hated Vietnam war.
Fact: America lost the war in Vietnam with over 50,000 killed in action. In a foriegn land where millions of natives too lost their lives. All for what? – to ensure people in other lands follow our ideals at GUNPOINT.
Today again we are in a far away land in Iraq trying to impose our will on others at GUNPOINT. 4000 plus american soldiers dead, hundreds of thousands of Iraqis dead.In doing so we are killing our own economy paying for the wars through our noses.
Iraqis never asked us to intervene to liberate them.
Yet we call our land the shining city on the hill. What a joke.

Posted by: JSmith | October 5, 2008, 12:58 pm 12:58 pm

We are looking forward
to turning a page
on this financial
crisis and getting back
to Mr. Obama’s
liberal record….
Well In the Last 8 years
the United States.
was attracted by
cavemen and Mr. Bush
and Mcbush have NO answers
The United States is
very close to another
Great Depression
The 700 Billion bailout
may prove to be a drop
in the bucket ..
what happens when other
countries say we are
just printing money
that is not worth
the paper it is printed
on…Mean while Mcbush
fresh from restarting his campaign
and seeing what his party has done
to the once Great United States
has in his Wisdom decided to just put
the old Bad Mouth on his opponent…
Yes Leadership you can predict
all the way to the POOR HOUSE !!!!!!

Posted by: Anita Yova | October 5, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Devastating ad.
Really makes McCain looks petty and small.
John McCain “I would rather lose my integrity than lose an election”

Posted by: Ryan C | October 5, 2008, 1:04 pm 1:04 pm

Hey Palin – It’s the ECONOMY Stupid !
—————————————————
Why would America REWARD complete Republican failure ?
We wont.

Posted by: PulSamsara | October 5, 2008, 1:17 pm 1:17 pm

Brilliant play by Obama! Go back to Alaska Palin, you’re a joke. McCain – it’s over.

Posted by: Valerie | October 5, 2008, 1:29 pm 1:29 pm

Guilt by association eh?
Obama has never even had dinner with Ayers.
McCain was a close personal friend and confidant and implied in the savings and loan scandle. McCain was one of the Keating 5 gosh darn it. It not only cost the taxpayer 1.3 trillion dollars (we are still paying) it also cost over 20,000 mostly senior citizens to lose everything they had as the Lincoln group used extreme predator tactics to bilk them out of every dime so they could invest the money in junk.
It was a nasty and gross episond of our nations history and McCain was amongst Keatings most personal friends and again, McCain WAS one of the Keating 5.
So who hung out with the biggest terrorist?
Obama who never personaly knew Ayers or hung out with him.
Or McCain, who was implied with Keating in the largest bailout in the nations history. One that cost us 1.3 trillion dollars and DESTROYED the lives of 20,000 mostly seniors as they took every peny from them KNOWINGLY with the intent to BILK them.
McCain should have great shame for trying to play the association game.
I forgive Pain, she knows not what she does.

Posted by: chas holman | October 5, 2008, 1:33 pm 1:33 pm

Anita Yova
I have noticed that a lot of you keep comparing Obama’s record to Bush’s record. Many compare Obama’s qualifications to Palin’s qualifications. Why? Are you afraid to compare Obama’s record, qualifications and position on issues to those of his opponent? Obama isn’t running against Bush. He isn’t running against Palin. Obama is apparently running from McCain other wise you would compare the two current presidential candidates to each other instead of comparing Obama to others. “McBush” and McSame” are just as dumb as “Osama Obama”.

Posted by: Oonogil | October 5, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

Thinking,
Your comment about the “witch doctor” is amusing. The man was a visiting pastor from Africa practising his cultural rite of blessing. There was no exorcism. Just a simple, cultural blessing. Had he visited Obama’s church and been labeled a “witch doctor” we would all be lambasted for being culturally insensitive, racist bigots.
I also find it amusing that anyone in the Democratic party would bring up adultery. There is a huge difference between hanging your head and saying I am sorry and looking into the camera and saying “I did not have sex with that woman!” Democrats will never be able to take the moral high ground on the infidelity issue.
Obama’s past matters. Look at what is going on in Ohio. obama has a strong history with Acorn. Acorn does register people to vote. One of those voters was named Turkey, Jive. Is this the integrity we want in a president? And if it is all so great, why not go on to military posts and allow soldiers and their families to register and vote on the same day? We could be bipartisan just like the smiling woman on camera this morning saying “Oh yeah, I give them a ride to the polls and I tell them, VOTE FOR OBAMA”. Are you kidding me?

Posted by: Wakeup!!!!!!!!! | October 5, 2008, 1:34 pm 1:34 pm

What is Obama doing in Ohio. What web sites are you getting your info from. And are they legit or just someone’s blog.

Posted by: Just Wondering | October 5, 2008, 1:50 pm 1:50 pm

For ALL people to PONDER on this blog:
1. If there was a video of a BLACK Pastor praying on Obama to protect him from Witchcraft, what would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over.
2. If Obama paraded a pregnant teenaged daughter with her BLACK lover on stage at the Democratic National Convention. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
3. If Obama had chosen Sarah Palin if she were a democrat, and then everything happened showing her gross deficiencies.What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
4. If Obama was a part of Keating 5. What would happen?Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
5. If Obama had committed adultery and then divorced his crippled wife who stood by him while he was a POW and married a rich adultering heiress, now has 9 homes and 13 cars. What would happen?Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
6. If Obama had been running the swift boat adds and politics like McCain with outright 100% lies disproved by factcheck.org. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
7. If Obama had made 1/4 of the gaffes and lies that Mccain has made including the fundamentals of our economy are good. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
8. If Obama’s daughter went on National tv and said that Obama dated a stripper and was wild in his younger years. If Obama was anywhere close to McCains moral failings in his life. What would happen? Answer: Obama’s presidential bid would be over
9. If Obama had verbally abused and berated the media for bias and sexism the way Mccain and Palin have done. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
10. If Obama had removed his VP from scrutiny by the press and did exactly what Mccain did with Palin. What would happen? Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
11. If Obama has been anywhere close to Mccain in the conduct of his campaign. What would happen?Answer:Obama’s presidential bid would be over
12. If Obamas spouse was a member of AIP like first dude Palin, would the media have handed a pass to Obama as they have been forced to do my the Mccain campaign. What would have happened? Answer: Obama’s presidential bib would be over.
I could go on and on.. but my point is… the hypocrisy of the republicans and so many in this country is on such a low shameful and painful level that I cannot find an adjective to describe it. These people have ZERO objectivity and ZERO conscience… Obama is held to a much higher standard because of ONE reason only… the color of his skin… The racists out there reading and screaming don’t know this point and remember it always…
“who God blesses NO MAN CAN CURSE” I hope Obama wins for the sake of this country… The republicans are praying and hoping that the idiots will return their failed party to power… Their support is critical and so the only way to appeal to hate is to manufacture lies and innuendo, reapeat it enough times that the “heartland of America” would vote “white”. Sad, because 4 more years of Bush won’t help them anymore than the last 8 years did… Am just soo tired of all the hate and racism I read on the blog sites… people pretending to debate facts when instead they are debating their hate, racism and bigotry… all because they cannot stand the thought of a man with black skin in the white house… never mind the way this country has gone down the crapper and the fact that the two women who raised Obama are as white as a l… There is only one choice in this election, anyone with common sense knows Obama is that choice… but then… reading the posts on the internet blog sites… common sense is NOT so common… oh well… God help us… My last question: why is the media allowing all of this to occur?

Posted by: jB | October 5, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm

JB.
Don’t use affirmative action and race card to win anything. Those games are old and outsdated.
Libertarian for McCain/Palin/08

Posted by: Beatrice | October 5, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm

Old stale tried and failed dirty politics of McCain-Palin has reared it’s ugly head again. No worries the American people will surely reject them once again. It’s ALL about the economy stupid !
Everyone who has half a brain already know that this kind of nasty tactic of McCain-Palin is a LIE and has been debunked many times. But I guess if one has an evil heart, if one is unqualified to be VP and president, and whose campaign is in the toilet; then I guess it’s the only thing one can try to dig up and make every effort to try to turn the page on the economy.
So if they want to focus their attention and energy in this direction, then I hope ALL of the American people will completely reject them.
I am glad Obama is revealing truths and staying focused on what the American people need !
The America people will definitely have a real clear choice – to vote for a campaign [ Bush-McCain-Palin ] that focuses on LIES, rather that putting forth an economic plan that will benefit the lives of the America people, and put the country on a better path. Or vote for the ticket [ Obama-Biden ] that has manintained focused on an economic plan and vision to bring prosperity and justice to ALL of the American people and NOT just the wealthy and well connected.
It’s time for the American people to get it right and NOT vote for McCain-Palin, instead vote for change. It’s time for this country to turn the page and seek a new and better future for ourselves and our children.It’s time for REAL change in Washington, it’s time to elect Barack Obama for president !
Obama-Biden are the wiser and stronger team to solve the crucial challenges we have in this nation and abroad !

Posted by: Barack Obama IS Our 44th president ! | October 5, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm

When Obama quit wearing his American flag pin people questioned that – I think overly questioned it. When you follow that with his claim that he did not know that Rev. Wright is racist (against Americans) that begins to add up as evidence. Ayers had a fund raiser for Obama in Ayer’s home. That collection of facts points to some one who does not hold America and Americans in a positive light.
Obama’s wife did not help when she said that for the first time in her life she was proud of America when Barak was warmly accepted by middle America. Further his disparaging remarks about middle America and religion further add to the evidence that he does not have a respect for America that one would hope for.
We should move past these things to the issues. Will these candidates be good for America.
As a liberal from the 70s and 80s I think we did the wrong thing in Vietnam. Two million people died when we pulled out too quickly. That did result in the invigoration of America as we had a flood of Vietnamese boat people after that – the best of people.
Is there an analogy with America and Iraq. I think so.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm

Doesn’t look good for McCain. He may want me to think about something besides the economy, but sorry, won’t work with me. ECONOMY.
BUSH=McCain.
KEATING 5.
Troopergate.
McCain’s got plenty problems already.
aloha.

Posted by: Uncle_Aina | October 5, 2008, 2:31 pm 2:31 pm

Should the terrorist friend become the US President? Obama and the terrorist Bill Ayers were together in 1995 why denied? In 1995 Obama was not 8 years old.
Obama is aloof, a pure Socialist-Communist, no executive experinces, and his swet talk does not make him qualified to be the President of the US.
Should American allow the Demcrat to destroy the nation after Fannie Mae Democrat caused Financial crisis?
Libertarian for McCain/Palin/08
DEAR GOD, PLEASE STAND BEFORE MCCAIN and SEND HIM TO THE WHITE HOUSE. HE IS THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN KEEP AMERICA SAFE AND BETTER ECONOMY. GUIDE THE VOTERS TO PRESS BUTTON MCCAIN. Amen

Posted by: Beatrice | October 5, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

Dear “Barack Obama IS Our 44th president !” – you should refrain from calling anyone stupid in this blog. We are spending the time to talk with you.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 2:32 pm 2:32 pm

right wing.
yes Hannity of Fox is a RADICAL.You mean people actually watch this idiot who loves to hear himself blab. Get real he is good for a good laugh.
amwa

Posted by: amwa | October 5, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm

CLabs, watch Burning Down the House.
Mortgage-backed securities existed before Bush.
Had Fannie/Freddie not gone wild nad had not backed the crap loans, this mess, if it were to happen today, would have been much more minimized.
Alan Greenspan in 2005
“yet in 2005 Alan Greenspan told Congress how urgent it was for it to act in the clearest possible terms: If Fannie and Freddie “continue to grow, continue to have the low capital that they have, continue to engage in the dynamic hedging of their portfolios, which they need to do for interest rate risk aversion, they potentially create ever-growing potential systemic risk down the road,” he said. “We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk.””
Again, who’s social agenda was it to push innovative subprime loans towards people that couldn’t afford it?
Watch the SNL Bush/Pelosi/Frank skit while you’re watching Burning Down the House too please.

Posted by: John | October 5, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm

Again, who’s social agenda was it to push innovative subprime loans towards people that couldn’t afford it?
Forgot, Community Reinvestment Act!
Okay?

Posted by: John | October 5, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm

Inoculation is the bet remedy for the Rovian virus from the planet Bush. The innoculation is simple – mix some thoughtfulness, some charm, sold values, and strong integrity and you will experience much more than morning sickness. ………….

Posted by: Ohg Rea Tone | October 5, 2008, 2:48 pm 2:48 pm

Dear “remember .. bee” – do you honestly believe that MSNBC and CNN are for America and Americans? If they have a choice between Rev. Wright and mom in Nebraska they will pick the racist reverend or 60′s anti-American terrorist.
Look what heppened when Bill Clinton exposed himself to a powerless state worker in Arkansas. They picked creepy Bill. As did NOW and all of the other organizations who should be working for the weakest among us.
Now, why bring up creepy Bill? Well, Obama is claiming McCain is Bush. McCain was the guy who said Bush was doing it all wrong in Iraq – and McCain got heat because of that. McCain has been against many of the republican agendas – specifally campaign finance and monitoring of the financial industry.
The mainstream media is despartely trying to entrap the republicans. Not necessarily bad if they did the same thing to all.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 2:50 pm 2:50 pm

SEE YA, BARRY! YOU ARE ABOUT TO RUN INTO THE REPUBLICAN ATTACK MACHINE. BETTER HAVE SOMEONE KEEPING THAT SENATE SEAT WARM FOR YOU. MAYBE PELOSI WILL DO THAT FOR YOU…..

Posted by: Foodforthought | October 5, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm

I kinda feel sorry for McCain, he wants to be President so bad he will do and say anything to get there. He is so desperate its pathetic to watch. Picking Sarah just made things worse it was embarrasing to watch her fumble over simple questions, if you can’t say one paper or magazine you read how hard is that. The hockey mom, joe sixpack comments and the cutesy winks, or maybe that is a nervous tick, since John
McCain does that also. We need a leader and Barack and Joe will do the job. Look at it this way, it cannot get worse.

Posted by: amwa | October 5, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm

Dear “… Tone” – inoculation that is cute. You made a freudian slip and said “sold values” rather than “solid values”. I think the “sold” values is to the point about corruption. We have let corruption invade our financial and political systems. Worse yet, we have let it invade us.
The pandering that passes as politics is a corruption we all seem to e eager to hear and be apart of. When Obama says that 95% of the American workers will not be taxed, that is clearly pandering of a quality we only expect form the likes of Hugo Chavez and 60′s communist radicals.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm

dear “remember (whatever it was)” – glad you brought up Madeline Albright. You should have included Sandy “(I have the incriminating documents in my socks)” Berger. They each have almost as much credibility at MSNBC and CNN. I am amused every time I Wolfe Blitzer attempt to read and talk at the same time.
You are accusing McCain – the one guy who did not ever get into the corrupt practice of buying votes via earmarkts.
McCain was the guy who put country first and went to Washington to do his job on this most serious of issues. He was roundly criticized for it. As it turns out it was Obama’s rant in the closed door meeting that broke the first deal. McCain kept his cool and organized behind the scenes.

Posted by: today | October 5, 2008, 3:26 pm 3:26 pm

McCain “irratic in a crisis”? At least McCain voluntarily showed up to roll up his sleeves and get to work on the economic crisis. Obama came only when summoned, preferring to lay low, let others do the heavy lifting, and avoid taking a firm stance in order to remain politically unharmed.

Posted by: marylou | October 5, 2008, 3:36 pm 3:36 pm

There is no basis to call what Obama and Ayers have a FRIENDSHIP. It’s more than an acquaintanceship fueled by work and charity projects. Have you ever worked? Have you ever had friendships with colleagues that really didn’t extend much beyond the workplace except for office parties and the occasional dinner with someone?
>Obama is aloof,
You know him personally, do you? What you see as aloof I see as thoughtful and someone who will not make rash decisions. I do not want someone like McCain – who acts first and then thinks- anywhere near the Oval Office.
>a pure Socialist-Communist, no >executive experinces,
Please explain in your own words what he believes in that makes him a “Socialist-Communist.” And since McCain has never been a governor I guess that means he’s not qualified either because he has no EXECUTIVE experience.
>Should American allow the Demcrat to >destroy the nation after Fannie Mae >Democrat caused Financial crisis?
Please read up on the facts about the Fannie/Freddy debacle. It was not a problem brought on entirely by the Democrats. McCain’s main economic adviser Phil Gramm is also a lot to blame for our current economic problems.
This is the problem – people are spewing hateful misinformation all over the Internet when they don’t even know the facts.
And as for your prayer, I’ll be praying every day IF McCain gets into office. I wish for his continued good health now, but I will pray fervently for him to be well if he’s elected because the thought of a President Palin scares the life out of me.

Posted by: May | October 5, 2008, 3:46 pm 3:46 pm

marylou -
McCain showing up to help with the bill was nothing but a political stunt. He wanted to grab the headlines. He wanted to appear more presidential. It didn’t work. The reports said he basically sat there and added nothing to the discussion. So what was the actual point of him being there when he didn’t even contribute to the discussion?
As I said, he just wanted to grab the headlines and to give his campaign time to respond to something they didn’t know how to respond to. It backfired badly.

Posted by: May | October 5, 2008, 3:52 pm 3:52 pm

if Obama has nothing to hide from the American people, then why all the whining from the Obama camp and his supporters?…unless there have been some lies told!

Posted by: tired of whining | October 5, 2008, 4:02 pm 4:02 pm

Grey Matter, let’s see! $10 Billion per month is just $120 Billion. But that is already borrowed money. So are you suggesting that we borrow $120 Billion per year? But even that plus the $75 Billion from the raised taxes on the top 2% of the nation’s wage earners and even maybe another $100 Billion by cutting and trimming wasteful spending on inefficient programs (although don’t hold your breath on that, as the Democrats rarely cut spending programs–even when the programs are inefficient), that would total just $295 Billion. That is still about $705 Billion short!!!!

Posted by: James Danley | October 5, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm

tired of whining: If I made up stuff about you and posted it here, would you ignore it or respond to it?
It’s natural for a campaign and supporters to respond to misrepresentations and lies about their positions. Both sides do it. It’s not whining.

Posted by: Aengil | October 5, 2008, 4:23 pm 4:23 pm

What a desperate lowlife, white trash, loser Palin is. I can’t believe that Mr. “I won’t run that kind of campaign” McCain is allowing his running mate to resort to such mindless, cheap rhetoric. America is in peril after what the Republicans and Bush have done to us! We need to know what these politicians are going to do to fix the mess, not about smear and gossip from 40 years ago! Obama is an upstanding guy, and Palin is showing us all what trailer trash she truly is. No how, no way, no McCain, No Palin.

Posted by: Democrats 08 | October 5, 2008, 5:08 pm 5:08 pm

The fallout from Palin’s debate performance begins!!wink wink, Joe Sixpack! What a joke! Obama in a landslide!!
Thank you America!

Posted by: MJ | October 5, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm

McNoShame and failing Palin are two desperate candidates. They will not stick to the issues because they cannot offer anything for the American people instead they will resort to character assasination which the republican are good at. During the candidacy of Bush they did this also so look at what happened to us for the last 8 years. American we should learn from our mistakes and do not believe the liars. By the way failing Palin congratulations you are really really good in memorizing.

Posted by: Al Ram | October 5, 2008, 5:30 pm 5:30 pm

Palin’s approach is – as AP described – racially tinged. Nobody reacts to McCain’s ties to G. Gordon Liddy, connection to Keating Five, or Todd Palin’s connection to the Alaskan Independence Party. The average voter nevertheless raises eyebrows when Obama is linked to Ayers, because he is black.
Just imagine if Obama had John McCain’s record:
(i) a broken first marriage, ending up in an affair,
(ii) a wife who is addicted to drugs,
(iii) former “terrorist” friend G. Gordon Liddy,
(iv) linked to the Keating Five scandal,
(v) a vile temper, known to use foul language.
or if he had Sarah Palin’s record:
(i) a pregnant teenage daughter,
(ii) a mediocre degree,
(iii) a secessionist sympathizing husband,
(iv) a nexus with a Kenyan witchdoctor,
(v) an abysmally low IQ and lack of basic understanding of economy & foreign affairs.
I completely agree with “jB” who posted earlier in this issue. PLEASE SCROLL UP AND READ WHAT SOMEONE CALLED “jB” COMMENTED. It is double standards!

Posted by: Sanjoy Das | October 5, 2008, 5:38 pm 5:38 pm

With the economic crisis we now have: the candidates of “change” vs.
the candidates of
“change the subject” (and make it snappy)

Posted by: Taylor | October 5, 2008, 6:02 pm 6:02 pm

Would someone please instruct Palin (as well as George Bush) that it’s pronounced “nuclear” not “nucular”. We need someone in the White House that has a higher IQ.

Posted by: Sandra | October 5, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

keating 5
keating 5
keating 5

Posted by: steve | October 5, 2008, 7:24 pm 7:24 pm

sanjoy das: you’re right. there is an incredible double standard going on here. mccain going negative is not going to work because there is too much mud that can be slung in his (and palin’s) direction.
and the nerve of palin to go on the attack when she (and especially her husband) are palling around with the AIP. how can she insinuate that she sees the country the same way we do when she doesn’t appear to have spent much time outside AK and apparently doesn’t read much.

Posted by: stephen | October 5, 2008, 7:32 pm 7:32 pm

jB and others: I thank God that George W. Bush has been our president these past 7 2/3 years.
1. It was President Bush’s 2001 tax cuts that greatly limited the effects of the 2000-01 recession. Unfortunately just as the economy was rebounding al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11/2001.
2. When al Qaeda attacked us on 9/11/2001, President Bush understand that we were at war with the Islamic extremists and acted decisively by leading a coalition in an air and ground assault on the Taliban and al Qaeda. Unlike his Democratic predecessor who treated them as common criminals when they bombed the World Trade Center in 1993. Unlike when his Democratic predecessor’s retaliation for al Qaeda’s attack of our embassies in Kenya and Tanzania in 1998 by bombing a pharmaceutica plant in the Sudan. Unlike when his Democratic predecessor did absolutely nothing when al Qaeda attacked the USS Cole in 2000.
3. President Bush decided 12 years of diplomatically trying to persuade Saddam Hussein to comply with the conditions of the 1991 Gulf War cease fire was long enough. During those twelve years there were hundreds of thousands of Iraqis tortured, murdered and raped. In addition, Saddam Hussein reaped billions of dollars through his oil-for-food scheme, which left millions of Iraqis poor and starving. So President Bush rescinded the cease fire and lead a coalition to invade Iraq and overthrow Saddam Hussein.
4. It was President Bush’s 2001 and 2003 tax cuts that turned our economy around following the attacks and the corporate scandals of 2002. Not only did we have 54 consecutive months of job growth from September 2003 through December 2007 (5 million jobs created), but we actually had two quarters of more tax revenue coming in than what was spent.
5. President Bush, members of his Administration and several GOP senators tried to reign in the abuses of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2003, 2005 and 2006. They warned Congress that strict oversight was necessary. Unfortunately the Democrats in both the House and the Senate took offense to the warnings and declared that there were no problems with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac–in spite of the hundreds of millions of dollars being looted by former Clinton Administration officials during that time. And the Senate Democrats blocked every attempt to get the full Senate to vote on the bills which would have implemented strict oversight.
6. Even with the early effects of the triple whammy (housing market downturn; early subprime mortgage crisis; and the skyrocketing of energy prices) that hit our economy in 2006 and 2007, our economy was still growing. In fact, GDP grew 0.9% in the first quarter and 2.8% in the second quarter of 2008.
UNFORTUNATELY the Democratic controlled Congress did absolutely nothing regarding oversight of the financial institutions since taking office on January 3, 2007. Instead they continued to allow Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and banks to push home mortgages to low income individuals that could not afford to pay back the loans EVEN as the housing market began its downturn.
So now you want the same inept Democrats to have larger majorities of both Houses and to take control of the White House. These are the same politicians who would treat al Qaeda as common criminals. These are the same politicians who have an utter disdain for Corporate America. These are the same politicians who want to decimate capitalism with governmental regulations. These are the same politicians who want to redistribute the wealth and destroy the American Dream.
So yes, I do thank God that President Bush has gotten us through the major hits that our economy has taken during his two terms. Unlike his predecessor who did absolutely nothing when the dot com bubble burst because it was an election year, President Bush pushed to rescue the economy with his $700 Billion rescue plan. At least this once, the Democrats in Congress finally decided to act.

Posted by: James Danley | October 5, 2008, 8:12 pm 8:12 pm

So this Ayers guy is a terrorist? And he’s running free right here in America? Why is this REPUBLICAN administration not locking up this TERRORIST but letting him go just like they did with bin Laden?!? I’m so sick of these terrorist-loving Republicans! It’s time to let Democrats show what they will do.

Posted by: Acerbic | October 5, 2008, 8:26 pm 8:26 pm

Boy oh boy, are you Reps. really as dumb as you sound and look. If Mcplain ran out on his first wife for money, picked a fool for running mate, botched the bailout deal merely by his presence, making wild accusations, looking more desperate and foolish by the minuet, showing everyone he is not only a poor leader,a low person,a poor mate, was a poor student,an un-sympathetic husband and one word away from senility. you guys are either blind, drunk or crazy, or all of the above

Posted by: chucky | October 5, 2008, 8:32 pm 8:32 pm

Why is it that Obama’s relationships with a convicted felon, a terrorist, and a rabid preacher is off the table for analysis and discussion? The main stream media has spent days and weeks dumpster diving in Wasilla, Alaska, to dig up dirt on Sarah Palin. But Obama gets a free pass on Bill Ayers, Tony Rezko and Reverend Wright.
Let’s take Ayers. He was a member of Weather Underground, a domestic terrorist organization that planned attacks on the Pentagon and the Capitol, set off bombs and killed a policeman in San Francisco. Ayers has never apologized for this and in fact said he “didn’t do enough”.
All this happened while Barack Obama was a child. So there’s his defense: “What that man did Barack Obama has condemned. And by the way, he did it when Barack Obama was 8 years old. Come on,” Democratic senator McCaskill said.
But consider this: While Obama was a child during the bombings, he was certainly a grown up when he held his first political fund raiser — in Ayer’s private home! What kind of judgment does this show? And where’s the “condemnation” McCaskill refers to? Are we supposed to believe that Obama first used Ayers to raise money, then later condemned him?
There is a long chain of bad judgment calls in Obama’s political life. He bought his house in a shady real estate deal from a man who was later convicted for fraud and is now in prison. His pastor for 20 years calls for God to “damn America” and claims that white people intentionally inflicted AIDS on blacks. His first fund raiser was held in the house of a terrorist, and he served on the board of an organization founded by this terrorist for years afterwards.
There’s no doubt Obama has given many inspiring speeches and has a charming and charismatic personality. But Americans should consider his actions, not just his lofty words. They don’t add up.

Posted by: Sceptical Republican | October 5, 2008, 9:21 pm 9:21 pm

John,
“Watch the SNL Bush/Pelosi/Frank skit while you’re watching Burning Down the House too please.”
Watched the Burning Down the House, also watched some video that debunked the same message.
The video can be debunked by one simple fact, the trading with mortage packs between banks stared after 2000. It was something new, it didn’t happened before.
It was made possible because deregulation and all the banks started to behave like investment banks.
The fact that most of the congress (republicans and democrats) where in the pocket of these financial banks didn’t helped a lot.
McCain is no saint, he supported the deregulation that unleashed the wolves.

Posted by: CLabs | October 5, 2008, 9:44 pm 9:44 pm

Sceptical Republican
“There’s no doubt Obama has given many inspiring speeches and has a charming and charismatic personality. But Americans should consider his actions, not just his lofty words. They don’t add up.”
His actions are honorable, they met each other when he was working in some education commission.
The fact they worked together don’t imply that Obama supported his radical idea’s in the past.

Posted by: CLabs | October 5, 2008, 9:59 pm 9:59 pm

GIVE ME A BREAK! Americans have listen to the Liberal Media trash Sarah Palin for 5 weeks now and try to dig up anything they can on her- even attacking her children!
It’s time Americans were given the TRUTH about Obama’s Criminal Associates/Friends/Mentors! I’m from Chicago and I can tell you all the radical illegal ACORN tactics Obama used as the “Community Organizer right here in my city! Please research Obama before you vote!
Start with the Breaking News FBI files on “Frank” Marshall Davis – who Obama calls his mentor in his book Dreams of my Father! He has admitted this guy “Frank is this Man!
I can’t believe McCain has not brought this up weeks and months before! I can’t believe a Radical like Obama has come this close to the White house!

Posted by: Arlan | October 5, 2008, 10:31 pm 10:31 pm

If the media spent half as much time checking out Obama as they have Palin, then Hillary would be our nominee.
Bill knows that. Hillary knows that and so do most of her supporters, like me. That is why we will vote for McCain.

Posted by: Kristne | October 5, 2008, 10:33 pm 10:33 pm

Every Republican here is right. Obama’s associations should be followed and reviewed…keep beatin at a dead horse guys.
The fact is Ayers is a professor and met Obama as a university professor and doing charity contributions. that’s a damn good thing i would say.
Rezko is a convicted felon but every single investigation has proved other than buy a house together, they had nothing to do with each other.
Sounds to me that Obama knew bad guys, he worked with them to get some good stuff accomplished and that’s it. You Republicans are foaming at the mouth angry that Obama has no personal scandals. He has friends who have committed scandals but no personal scandals. And as for Reverend Wright and his racism. Give me a break. McCain is a 72 year old white man. If you think McCain has no racist friends you’re an idiot. That doesn’t make him racist…well he is racist, but it’s not cuz of his friends.
Let’s now analyze the Republican ticket.
Palin – Wants to break the constitution and change the powers of the vice-presidency, used taxpayer money to help pay her mortgage, hired friends and high school basketball teamates for government positions. Is involved in a blatant breach of power but won’t cooperate with the investigation. (A Vice presidential nominee who thinks he doesn’t have to cooperate with investigations…seem familiar)?
McCain – The last time we had a huge banking failure, John McCain was involved in a huge scandal (Keating 5). He called Bush’s tax cuts “Immoral and downright thievery” and now he supports them to cave into the conservative backers. He got a COMPLETELY unqualified retard who he didn’t know and only met once as a VP for pure political reasons. He wrote in a book “I wanted to become president because it had become my ambition to become president. I was 62 at the time and felt it was my last shot at the prize”…Any man who views the presidency as a prize doesn’t deserve consideration. Two of his “spiritual and moral leaders” are Chuck Hagee and Rob Parsley. Hagee believes that Catholicism is the great whore religion. He is against the constitution because it allows the right to assembly and believes that God Sends Hurricanes like Katrina to claim thousands of innocent lives and cause trillions in property damage because “America was going to allow a homosexual parade”. Pastor Rob Parsley believes it is America’s duty and quest to destroy Islam and every able bodied American should fulfill our quest by joining the military and destroying Islam
Barack Obama knows corrupt people. John McCain and Sarah Palin ARE corrupt people
That’s your difference.

Posted by: Vahagn Mkhikian | October 5, 2008, 11:07 pm 11:07 pm

It is really sad and telling that Liberal Obama supporters have viciously attack Palin, McCain and their supporters for months in the media-
But now that Obama’s Radical past is coming into focus by the mainstream media – Mentors/Friends/Associates and ACORN Community Organizer tactics Liberals cry fowl! Well too bad! It has been a long time coming!
Ayers- Unrepentant Anti-government bomber
Rezco- Chicago Convicted Money Launder and the one Obama did a shaddy deal with to buy his house and land! Obama gave him thousands in state money!
Frank Marshall Davis- Marxist,Communist Mentor of Obama who Obama talks about in his book!
Alinsky- he is dead, however Obama studied his Marxist Socialist “Rules for Radicals” tactics and worked for ACORN in Chicago!
Jeremiah Wright- Racist pastor/mentor for 20 years
I could keep going and add all the muslim friends Obama has! I could see if it was just 1 shaddy friend but there are SO MANY!!!
Obama could NOT even get an FBI clearence with anyone of these associates!
So you can insult McCain and Palin all you want, but it won’t change the FACTS about Obama’s Criminal background and Lies!

Posted by: Arlan | October 5, 2008, 11:08 pm 11:08 pm

Oh Im not done.
McCain also cheated on his first wife who was recovering from a car accident. McCain also was involved with Gordon Liddy a terrorist, McCain also said he is unclear whether or not the prime minister of spain is an ally to us, McCain also got into a fistfight with another senator, McCain also voted against funding the troops 3 times last year because it included a time table, McCain also voted to raise taxes 477 times while in Congress, McCain also wanted to privatize social security 3 years ago, that would have led to a near complete collapse of it through this stock market crisis, McCain’s tax plan will save his wife an estimated 762,000 a year while providing only a 19 dollar tax cut to those making under 20K a month, McCain also NEVER MENTIONED EXCESSIVE CEO GREED in any stump speech prior to the market crash on Sep 15th, McCain also blocked the Veterans Committee from investigating into the POW files in Vietnam (because he was hiding being known as “songbird mccain” for telling the Vietnamese our secrets), McCain also spearheaded a tactic to try to disenfranchise 250,000 Michigan voters if they were foreclosed upon, McCain also lied about Obama’s education, tax, association record, McCain also complains about our largest national debt in history but voted with 80% of President Bush’s budget and spending bills
McCain is a horrible man. Obama knows horrible men, take your pick.

Posted by: Vahagn Mkhikian | October 5, 2008, 11:21 pm 11:21 pm

Arlan
“change the FACTS about Obama’s Criminal background and Lies!”
There is no criminal background, not one criminal conviction or investigation based on HIS actions. Criminal investigations of his associations that involved him as a witness, yes, criminal investigation with his own actions? NO
McCain however, with his Keating 5 scandal and Palin with her troopergate investigation, that is a criminal background.

Posted by: Vahagn Mkhikian | October 5, 2008, 11:36 pm 11:36 pm

Kristne,
The media obviously has done a pretty good job checking out Obama for 19 months, hence the Ayers, Wright, Rezno stories, smears and lies that the Republican Party is apparently going to base their last desperate attempt at winning this election on. The problem you see, is that there just isn’t much there. The Republicans never say anything new about those associations…just that they’re associations. If you really want to know all about Obama, then go to factcheck.org. They’ve gone over ALL the accusations, lies, truths, half-truths, and smears with a fine tooth comb. But like most Republicans, I suspect you don’t have much use for the truth if it doesn’t coincide with your vision of what the truth is. As for Hillary, I’ll say just this…she’s got a closet full of skeletons all her own. So if you think this general elction would have been a cake walk for her guess again. The Republicans would have pulled out every one, and where they couldn’t find one, they would have made one up.

Posted by: Randy | October 6, 2008, 12:17 am 12:17 am

Great strategy by the McCain camp to energize Obama’s larger base against his smaller base. Plus I am sure Independents will be impressed with a man who looks like an old pathetic back stabbing, bitter and desperate loser. To have your unqualified running mate basically call a fellow United State Senator a terrorist is crossing the line.
Posted by: jim | Oct 5, 2008 8:21:44 AM
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McCain let’s his pitbull do the dirty work while he hides behind her dress. Pathetic.

Posted by: McCain/Palin = Corporations First | October 6, 2008, 12:18 am 12:18 am

No amount of cane-riding wizardry by Sarah Barracuda Palin is going to transform a dim-witted Wasilla High potsmoker turned Alaskan secessionist turned Republican VP nominee into a credible VP candidate.

Posted by: Jane Sixpack | October 6, 2008, 1:23 am 1:23 am

The reason this discussion has not been followed up on by the media is because it is a non-subject. This Ayers person was a “suspected” terrorist in the 60′s. He was never convicted because of FBI misconduct, for all we know he is/was innocent. The only reason Obama knows him is because the worked together on fundraising years after this incident in the 60′s which Obama did not know about. By that time Obama only knew him as a respected college professor. Obama was not and is not his friend. Thats like someone saying each of us should be held accountable for the private lives of our co-workers. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Posted by: Trent Taylor | October 6, 2008, 1:51 am 1:51 am

Jane Sixpack….Gov. Palin didn’t do pot and I’ll take her anyday as VP than a Prez who has no experience and did “blow” as he refers to it in his book and is STILL SMOKING! No strength of character to quit, no strength of character to leave his radical hateful racist church like Oprah did AFTER A YEAR!
OBAMA NOT FIT!!!!!!
McCAIN/PALIN ALL AMERICAN ALL THE WAY!

Posted by: DLM | October 6, 2008, 3:25 am 3:25 am

CHARACATER IS SO VERY IMPORTANT IN A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE AND JUDGEMENT. THEY MAY BE BRINGING UP AYERS AND REZKO NOW, BUT SAVING THE MORE IMPORTANT REV. WRIGHT/OLD UNCLE/MENTOR STUFF FOR THE LAST COUPLE OF WEEKS IN OCTOBER.

Posted by: DLM | October 6, 2008, 3:27 am 3:27 am

Whats all of this fuss about Obama wanting to talk to the leaders of countries that refuse to do what we want them to do. If our leaders are to stupid to talk to the leaders of Iran, Cuba, etc, you can be assured that the leaders of Russia will gladly talk to the leaders of these countrys. When Russia arm these countrys with Nuclear bombs, Americans are gonna wish that we had talked to the people. Russia is allready giving missiles to Hugo Chavez, I predict that it wont be much longer before Russia place neclear weapons in Cuba again. Dont talk America but dont complain when the Russians do.

Posted by: johnnylee | October 6, 2008, 3:51 am 3:51 am

Ok you liberals, where is NOBAMAS birth certificate, school transcripts and so on. What is this inexperienced wannabe hiding? I hope he doesn’t get elected. Our world will be in turmoil…

Posted by: Bigg Poppa P | October 6, 2008, 7:28 am 7:28 am

I think both candidates should concentrate on the issues of today, not mud-sling. The country needs help.

Posted by: rob | October 6, 2008, 9:02 am 9:02 am

Vahagn Mkhikian wrote: “The fact is Ayers is a professor and met Obama as a university professor and doing charity contributions. that’s a damn good thing i would say.”
Bill Ayers is still a radical. He preaches the same 1960′s radical anti-America, anti-capitalism dogma from his position as a professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago. And Chicago Mayor Daley employed him as a teachers trainer for the public schools in Chicago. He indoctrinates the teachers who are in turn expected to influence their students with Ayer’s radical views.

Posted by: James Danley | October 6, 2008, 9:43 am 9:43 am

Maybe everyone in Washington NEEDS to start smoking weed. They’re obviously inept while sober.

Posted by: Justin | October 6, 2008, 10:51 am 10:51 am

keating 5 mc cain cleared the dems charged the banking scandle now barney franks leader of the falure obamma advisors failed frennie mae and freddie mac pres obamms gets the 2 highest amount an other dem gets the highest amount

Posted by: david | October 6, 2008, 11:32 am 11:32 am

McCain-Palin is the ticket to the future.
Sarah Palin can help the country smooth out its slide down the toilet and into the sewers by calming everyone with Bible readings.
At the same time, McCain can encourage the populous by starting a war with Iran and lowering the financing cost of Harleys so everyone can rejoice in the sounds of freedom.
McCain-Palin give the American People an opportunity to demonstrate the unique strength of their critical thinking abilities and overall intelligence by once again electing to office a team as brilliant and as enlightened as Bush-Cheney.

Posted by: Domingo Tavella | October 6, 2008, 11:58 am 11:58 am

The Dow Jones just went below 10,000. All the world markets are crashing, and McCain is offering the Bush economic plan to the American people. He has his “brilliant” running mate Sarah Palin recite her vicious attacks. If anybody knows how to read an article, you should read ahead the New York Times article on Obama and Ayers. They clearly do not have a relationship. Please do not rely on Sarah Palin to educate yourself politically. Sarah Palin was a journalism major that doesn’t read newspapers or magazines.

Posted by: twosunshine | October 6, 2008, 12:27 pm 12:27 pm

It seems even the media is starting to second-guess themselves with their ‘golden boy’ they propped up early in the game…

Posted by: msa1234 | October 6, 2008, 12:36 pm 12:36 pm

Personal character assaults just doesn’t cut it anymore. We want solutions to the economic crisis and Obama seems to be the only one offering.

Posted by: Lucy | October 6, 2008, 12:56 pm 12:56 pm

John McCain, who took money from Charles Keating shouldn’t let his running mate throw stones.

Posted by: Claudia | October 6, 2008, 1:01 pm 1:01 pm

Okay – everyone on BOTH SIDES – please listen:
This is no time to bring up this mudslinging for McCain (e.g. Keating 5, etc), or for Obama (e.g. Ayers).
By being so decisive, you’re BOTH embarrassing yourselves – and in our country’s time of need. (That’s you on the Left AND you on the Right).
This is a time to encourage BOTH candidates to talk about the issues facing our country, what they can do about these issues, and a meaningful discussion about why the opponent’s plans are wrong.
THAT’S what needs to be debated – not some questionable thing that happened 20, 30, or 40 years ago – on EITHER side. BOTH candidates have some pretty ugly skeletons in their closets – most people do. Try to play “who’s skeleton is scariest”, and we ALL loose.
Both men have shown themselves to care about our country.

Posted by: Dave from Austin | October 6, 2008, 1:11 pm 1:11 pm

My apologies for the typo in my previous post.

By being so DIVISIVE (not decisive).

Sorry ’bout that.

Posted by: Dave from Austin | October 6, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm

Claudia – The Senate Ethics Committee lawyer who investigated McCain already had explained that scandal away — repeatedly. It was celebrated lawyer Robert Bennett, most famous for defending a certain horny hick president a few years ago.
In February this year” Bennett said, for the eight billionth time:
“First, I should tell [you] I’m a registered Democrat, so I’m not on (McCain’s) side of a lot of issues. But I investigated John McCain for a year and a half, at least, when I was special counsel to the Senate Ethics Committee in the Keating Five. … And if there is one thing I am absolutely confident of, it is John McCain is an honest man. I recommended to the Senate Ethics Committee that he be cut out of the case, that there was no evidence against him.”
But of course that won’t matter to you and I apologize for confusing the issue with facts.

Posted by: BizBag | October 6, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm

McCain Fraud in Keatin-5 and Palin with husband on the run from the law! None of them know anything about financial matters so not surprisingly they use SCARE TACTICS & LIES! One could say it’s their TRADEMARK(TM). It shows how they intend to run the Country should they (God forbid) get elected.

Posted by: Not Again | October 6, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm

It isn’t just Ayers – there is a history of radical associations. McCain needs to make the connection in very simplistic terms so Americans can get it.

Posted by: Susan | October 6, 2008, 5:44 pm 5:44 pm

I am hoping Obama will not stoop to McCain’s level of lies.

Posted by: mypeaches | October 6, 2008, 5:46 pm 5:46 pm

You haven’t seen anything yet. Wait till the Dems start crying “Racism” for the attacks on Obama.

Posted by: David | October 6, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm

McCain can win on policies and taxes. The problem is that the Obama campaign is benefitting from the financial crisis merely because Bush is in the WH and Obama is very successful at blaming everything on him. The other problem is that the media bias is so pro-Obama it is difficult for McCain to get through to most Americans. I don’t think McCain has much choice but to “sensationalize” Obama in order to get some traction. I’m surprised Obama hasn’t said he is going to make another one of his “major” speeches so all the news media will give him free air time at the same moment. That usually works for Obama.

Posted by: Susan | October 6, 2008, 6:07 pm 6:07 pm

McCain no longer has any control. The campaign is being run by the same guys who ran the Bush administration. They are using Palin as a puppet. Obama should be careful not to stoop too low while attacking just enough and pointing out the fact that Palin/McCain administration is Bush administration in a new bottle.

Posted by: jonathanw | October 6, 2008, 6:24 pm 6:24 pm

Obama is a liar, a tax monger and probably a criminal.

Posted by: fx | October 7, 2008, 7:43 pm 7:43 pm

Fact: Obama was born in Kenya not the US. Even his half sister said it in a Feb 18, 2008 article for the Star Bulletin…she said Barack was born in Kenya.
Fact: It was Jimmy Carter that created the CRA…Clinton that enhanced upon it. Obabma that worked with ACORN to pressure banks and the senate to lower the standards so poor people with no credit or income could get housing.
Fact: John McCain in 2005 tried to get a bill passed to impose stronger regulation on Fannie Mae and Freddie MAc and the house struck it down.
Fact: Our current Dem congress has the lowest approval rating ever. Do we want a Dem congress and a Dem president. God Help Us All!!!
Read and get the facts….don’t listen to the candidates or the press…read about these people, do some research. This is too serious to make your decison based on the hollywood theatrics that are being thrown at us. Don’t be so lazy!!!!! Research Research. You will be amazed what you will find.
FACT: Obama is a devil in sheeps clothing. That you can count on.

Posted by: Karen | October 10, 2008, 1:51 pm 1:51 pm

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