Obama Urges Bailout Passage to ‘Prevent Catastrophe’
ABC News’ Sunlen Miller Reports: Senator Obama, at a rally before almost 15,000 people in Wisconsin, admitted the emergency economic bailout plan wasn’t perfect but urged Congress to pass the bill in order to prevent a financial catastrophe.
"This plan is not perfect," Obama admitted at the rally in LaCrosse, "Democrats and Republicans in Congress have legitimate concerns about it. I know many Americans share these concerns. But it is clear that this is what we must do right now to prevent a crisis from turning into a catastrophe."
After the rally, Senator Obama is flying back to DC. He told the gathered crowd he intends to cast his vote for the bill before the Senate today. The Obama campaign says that he has spoken to congressional leaders, government leaders and rank-and-file leaders of Congress on the phone today about the vote.
"I’ve been reaching out to leaders in both parties to do whatever I can to help pass this plan," Obama said, "I’ll be flying back to Washington today to cast my vote to safeguard the American economy."
Yesterday Obama proposed an FDIC hike, one that he says he’s pleased will be in the legislation the Senate will be voting on tonight in DC in addition to the other four taxpayer protection principles.
The bailout bill suffered a surprising defeat on Monday and Senator Obama had a simple message for those who opposed it: now is the time to act, even if the bill may not be perfect or popular.
"To the Democrats and Republicans who have opposed this plan, I say this– step up to the plate do what’s right for the country even if it’s not popular, because the time to act is now."
While Sen. John McCain’s name was absent form Obama’s last speech – today Obama reinvigorated part of his stump speech on taxes to draw comparisons with his Republican rival.
"I want everybody to know the differences between myself and Sen. McCain on this campaign. I will begin by reforming our tax code so that it doesn’t reward the lobbyists who wrote it, but the American workers and small businesses who deserve it," Obama said.
Obama said not to believe the ads that were coming for the "other side" saying that he intends to raise taxes.
And perhaps sending a sign to Gov Sarah Palin that she - as "Joe Six Pack" – doesn’t have a corner on the beer-drinking market, Obama joked that since Oktoberfest was going on in LaCrosse that maybe he’d join in.
"Let me call my campaign staff and see if I can have a pint with you."
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Yep one of Obama’s big contributors Goldman is going to hurting if this bailout doesn’t go through.
Posted by: Ben Straub | October 1, 2008, 1:00 pm 1:00 pm
Ya, we will see once he reads it. What does he mean by “not perfect” what does he not like about it. I trust him more than anyone working on this thing.
Posted by: beck | October 1, 2008, 1:03 pm 1:03 pm
He lost my vote. 1st FISA betrayal, and now bailouts for billionaires, from their millionaire buddies in congress; On the back of the American taxpayer… When IS enough ENOUGH. Ist they give into the wars, then they vote to destroy our constitution and personal privacy, and NOW they want us to be subjected to a financial patriot act, that puts all the risk on US, and gives their criminal cronies OUR money to be able to continue steal even more money from us and give to the international bankers and countries like China, England, and of all places Russia. Why are we stealing money and savings from US citizens and giving it to FOREIGN BANKS!!! How does that help OUR economy!?! I think between the wars and the recession that we are already in since the fourth quarter of last year; I don’t think we need to bleed the American taxpayer and give away OUR hard earned money to subsidize FOREIGN BANKERS! On top of Wall St. America… WHEN is enough ENOUGH!!! Contact your members of congress and get them to KILL this bill a 2nd time!!! Don’t let the Senate or the President, bully the House Republicans to capitulate to the House Democrats and Pelosi and bail out the billionaires, on the backs and personal accounts of YOU and ME, and our children.
Posted by: hmn | October 1, 2008, 1:14 pm 1:14 pm
I do wish that Washington, on both sides of the isle, would invite some real economic experts into the process so a deal can be worked out that is the best for the economy and the country with the ‘politics’ portion removed. I do not favor a bailout, as I believe that would punish those who have been responsible with their money, while rewarding the one who were irresponsible.
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 1:15 pm 1:15 pm
Well at least he is being honest saying its not perfect he doesnt like it HONESTY where mccain just wants it passed he doesnt care Mccains looking out for his lobbysit friends
Posted by: angie | October 1, 2008, 1:16 pm 1:16 pm
Does he think he’s in England? Who has a pint?
Posted by: Kitty | October 1, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
“Let me call my campaign staff and see if I can have a pint with you.”
Once again Obama shows how out of touch he is with real America. No American talks about having a “pint”. Does Obama want a bag of “crisps” with that?
Posted by: geevill | October 1, 2008, 1:18 pm 1:18 pm
By “campaign staff” he probably means he has to go ask Michelle.
Posted by: Kitty | October 1, 2008, 1:21 pm 1:21 pm
This bill IS A SHAM! Oppose it at all costs!
It is a giant land grab by several institutions, especially Goldman Sachs! Just as NJ’s governor, who is a former Goldman CEO, the Treasury head is former Goldman. Guess who is the main benefactor of this deal… you got it. Goldman! NJ’s governor, Jon Corzine, and the NJ government over the past several years have directly benefitted Goldman Sachs. It’s a running joke in NJ that Goldman seems to be the ONLY lending institution in the country. FORMER GOLDMAN PEOPLE TAKE CARE OF GOLDMAN… PERIOD!
Dennis Kucinich (D-Ohio) is 100% correct on this problem. If the problem is bad mortgage debt, then the problem should be solved from the BOTTOM UP! Just like how Obama wants to correct the economy and help the middle-class by starting from the BOTTOM UP! If Goldman wasn’t getting any money from this deal, I might think that it has a bit of legitimacy to it. But Goldman seems to be the main beneficiary of this plan.
Floating money from the TOP DOWN WILL NOT correct this problem – THE BAD MORTGAGES WILL STILL EXIST! Fix the bad mortgages – Stop the foreclosures – Save the people’s homes. If the big institutions are complaining about the bad mortgages, How can they complain if the bad mortgages are addressed? DO NOT GIVE THEM THE MONEY DIRECTLY!
THIS IS A LAND GRAB AT THE EXPENSE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!
Posted by: Wayne | October 1, 2008, 1:22 pm 1:22 pm
GOD is NOT on the REPUBLICAN SIDE.
ENOUGH of REPUBLICAN LIES and BLAMING GAME.
ENOUGH of REPUBLICAN DISASTERS. 8 years is more than enough.
ENOUGH of BULLIES in the WHITE HOUSE.
DEMOCRATS for 09′
Posted by: tired of lies | October 1, 2008, 1:23 pm 1:23 pm
Quote: “Once again Obama shows how out of touch he is with real America. No American talks about having a “pint”. Does Obama want a bag of “crisps” with that?”
It appears that it is _you_ who are out of touch.. come on down to our local pub and you can see some real American workers putting down a few pints. Sorry we don’t fit your world view..
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 1:24 pm 1:24 pm
If the bill fails tomorrow in the House, the market may drop 1000 points. The bill must pass because there are too many people who will panic if it doesn’t.
Credit lines are already drying up; there is no choice now. What a bunch of morons to let it come to this.
Posted by: 1percenter | October 1, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Does he want aragula with his “pint”? Seems to me when McCain said it wasn’t perfect, that he didn’t want to do it, but needed to, the Obots had a screamin mimi…
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 1, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
I don’t agree with Senator Obama’s assessment either. I think these companies need to crumble. Can America afford to keep dumping money into these decripit institutions? But he’s still getting my vote. Better him than McCain/Palin.
Posted by: che099 | October 1, 2008, 1:25 pm 1:25 pm
Please join facebook’s 700,000,000,000 strong against the 700 billion bailout.
Also contact your representative and express you are against this.
http://schumer.senate.gov/SchumerWebsite/contact/webform.cfm
http://clinton.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm?subj=issue
I am expressing I’m unhappy with the idea of a bailout. I feel if passed Americans will pay yet again for others greed and poor choices. I vote no.
Posted by: C Dickinson | October 1, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
arugula…sorry (just in case the grammar police are around)
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 1, 2008, 1:26 pm 1:26 pm
John McCain warned about corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005. He even introduced a bill to address the problems. The Democrats (Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, etc.) insisted there were no problems at these institutions. Now it’s clear that McCain was right, but somehow McCain and the Republicans are to blame for this mess? Are you Obamabots crazy? The mortgage crisis is at the heart of this financial meltdown, and it is the Democratic Party who supported ACORN in its quest to make sure low-income people got homes, whether they could afford them or not. You know ACORN – the group that registers their pets and dead people to vote Democratic? As a Democrat, even I can see the Republicans are getting the bum rap for this. The Bush administration has been a disaster, and the Republicans are far from pure, but it’s clear to me that the Democratic elite (not ordinary Democrats) are at the heart of this particular financial problem. The Democrats want to strengthen their numbers in the minority community, and Republicans were hamstrung in their efforts to address these issues because they did not want to be called racists. Now we see what happens when low-income people buy houses they can’t afford – the rest of us wind up footing the bill. This fed-up Democrat has seen the light.
Posted by: Ex-Democrat | October 1, 2008, 1:30 pm 1:30 pm
Uh…they have pints at Oktoberfest in LaCrosse, WI. Obviously you’ve never been or you’d know that.
Not that you would ever go…they have beer that isn’t from a can and that is way above your level of patriotism.
Posted by: Greg | October 1, 2008, 1:32 pm 1:32 pm
The Repugs railing against the bailout are just stupid.
Our house is on fire.
Instead of doing everything to put the fire out, you want to chase those who set the fire.
By the time you catch them the house would have burned to ground you morons.
If we have to catch and jail those who set the fire like you neocons say, we should:
IMPEACH BUSH AND CHENEY.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 1, 2008, 1:35 pm 1:35 pm
geevill and kitty,
don’t know bout you but here in small town PA.,the origin of Octoberfest, IT ALWAYS HAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE CALLED A “PINT”
Posted by: here in pa | October 1, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
*** ohn McCain warned about corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005. He even introduced a bill to address the problems. ***
Claim: McCain championed legislation that would have prevented the current financal meltdown
Fact: False/Misleading
In his September 19th speach in Arlington, VA., Sen. McCain states:
“Two years ago, I called for reform of this corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress did nothing. Senator Obama did nothing, and actually profited from this system of abuse and scandal”
What he is referring to is a Senate bill (S.190[109th] Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005) which was originally authored by Sen. Charles Hagel and co-sponsored by Sen. Sununu and Sen. Dole. It was not until after a 2006 Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight Report to Congress outlining problems with the two organizations that Sen. McCain decided to add his name to the bill as a co-sponsor. The bill never made it out of committee (Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs), which was at the time controlled by a Republican majority and chaired by Republican Senator Richard Shelby. The statement about Congress and Sen. Obama doing nothing is true, but misleading, since there was nothing that they could have done until the bill came to the floor of the Senate, which it never did.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
THE WALL STREET BAILOUT IS A TRAP:
YOU DID THE RIGHT THING people by stopping this 700 billion dollar bailout of Wall Street with your money. It’s a trap set by the Bush McCain administration years ago to spring on you, and the World just before the November elections. It will cripple our economy for years to come by taking away money from important social programs like health care reform, education, and social security.
What ever congress does to try and fix our stunning economic catastrophe needs to be done very carefully. Congress needs to take their time, and be sure of what they are doing. Whatever is done needs to be sharply focused at helping, and protecting the best interest of the ordinary Americans. In particular the vast American middle class. 700 billion dollars is a lot of the peoples money to spend to bail out a bunch of corrupt Bush loan sharks.
When have you ever known any government plan, or project to only cost what the government said it would. Remember the war in Iraq. Bush and his so-called advisers said it would only cost you about 80 billion dollars. But we now know that the war in Iraq will cost you, and your children, and your grand children over a trillion dollars, and still counting.
So if 80 billion can end up costing you over a trillion dollars. How much could 700 billion end up costing you. Any math wizards out there. I come up with 9 trillion…:-(
My fellow human beings, just as I warned you ahead of this catastrophic economic meltdown, I must now warn you that what is ahead has the potential to be even more catastrophic than what we are going through now. The worlds geopolitical landscape has been booby trapped by the Bush McCain administration and their republican allies in congress. These booby traps are poised to spring at any time.
Fortunately the Worlds Nations have been blessed with many excellent leaders (except the US) who have been careful, wise, strong, and self-restrained in dealing with the provocations, and antagonism’s of the Bush, McCain administration.
Barack Obama and the democrats are your best hope now. Tell your family, friends, and everyone you know to support them as best you can, and vote for them like your life, and the lives of your loved ones depends on it. Because it does. You will not survive 4 more years of Bush McCain.
JACK SMITH – WORKING CLASS…
Posted by: jacksmith | October 1, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
It is becoming increasingly harder to support Obama – with each passing day, another disappointment, another betrayal, another signal that he offers little more than the rhetoric of change.
Posted by: Rose | October 1, 2008, 1:36 pm 1:36 pm
Geevill,
Where do you live?
We do have pints in the NE.
We have Irish, Scottish and English here Mr Evil.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 1, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
Bottom line – the reason that McCain and Obama support this ridiculous bailout is this .. their way of life as scum sucking politicians will dry up! If you want to know the real answer as to whether this should be passed … ask someone outside of Washington who runs a successful business! Casino owners in Vegas and Trump – ALL of them said “h*ll NO”!!!
Posted by: Marcus | October 1, 2008, 1:38 pm 1:38 pm
hmn: what bill do you think they should pass? what would you like to have written into it? We have to do something because if we don’t most Americans will wake up tomorrow and not have a job or any place to live. So, what do you guys who keep crying “don’t pass this bill” think this bill should show? How do you think it should read?
Posted by: beck | October 1, 2008, 1:39 pm 1:39 pm
How does Obama know there will be a catastrophe? No one predicted that bargain hunters would have run stock prices back up a day after the bailout bill was defeated in the House. The way Obama is buying Bush’s line about a impending “catastrophe,” I’m wondering if Obama would have bought Bush’s scary images of mushroom clouds and WMD and voted for going to Iraq, had he been in the senate then.
Posted by: AspenFreePress | October 1, 2008, 1:40 pm 1:40 pm
John McCain warned about corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005. He introduced legislation in 2005 to address the problems with these institutions. Democrats killed the legislation, saying that Freddie and Fannie were being run just fine. Who was right – McCain or the Democrats? I let the taxpayers be the judge.
Posted by: Ex Democrat | October 1, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
I was against the bailout and Bush is an SOB. He lied about wmd’s tha they were in Iraq, but if Obama says we could be in a catastrophe maybe we better slow down and study this bailout situation a little more. George Bush reminds me of little kid in the neighborhood who always makes up stuff but it’s never true. So what happens when he finally says the truth we can’t believe him because he has been constantly lying. Bush is a total failure and this is his last chance to do something right. The problem is that he has never told the truth to American people so it’s very difficult for anyone to believe in him.
Posted by: cony007 | October 1, 2008, 1:41 pm 1:41 pm
geevill exposed!!!!
geevill is not American citizen
Posted by: exposed | October 1, 2008, 1:42 pm 1:42 pm
Is Barney Frank the chicken or the hen?
Posted by: Larry | October 1, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
*** John McCain warned about corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005. He introduced legislation in 2005 to address the problems with these institutions. Democrats killed the legislation ***
Claim: McCain championed legislation that would have prevented the current financal meltdown
Fact: False/Misleading
In his September 19th speach in Arlington, VA., Sen. McCain states:
“Two years ago, I called for reform of this corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress did nothing. Senator Obama did nothing, and actually profited from this system of abuse and scandal”
What he is referring to is a Senate bill (S.190[109th] Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005) which was originally authored by Sen. Charles Hagel and co-sponsored by Sen. Sununu and Sen. Dole. It was not until after a 2006 Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight Report to Congress outlining problems with the two organizations that Sen. McCain decided to add his name to the bill as a co-sponsor. The bill never made it out of committee (Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs), which was at the time controlled by a Republican majority and chaired by Republican Senator Richard Shelby. The statement about Congress and Sen. Obama doing nothing is true, but misleading, since there was nothing that they could have done until the bill came to the floor of the Senate, which it never did.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 1:43 pm 1:43 pm
Steve_NJ
The people who “set the fire” are Democrats.
Much as most of us loathe the idea of bailing out these bankers who have become rich at our expense, if we don’t do it the consequences for all of us are pretty dire. Either way is unpleasant, but without the bailout is awful.
Posted by: Keith | October 1, 2008, 1:44 pm 1:44 pm
Now I know.
Geevill we want to see your birth certificate you Wazhiristanian?
All Americans know what a pint is. Only guys like MR. Gee Evil from Uzbekhistan don’t know.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 1, 2008, 1:45 pm 1:45 pm
Keith,
Since when did Bush, McCain, Gramm and other deregulating neocons become democrats?
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 1, 2008, 1:49 pm 1:49 pm
It’s funny how so many Democrats are attacking Sarah Palin, but not a peep of criticism from Hillary or Bill. Bill’s campaigning for Obama, and telling audiences John McCain is a great man. His private description of Obama: a Chicago thug. I love Hill & Bill!!!! I was a little pissed when they left office and tried to carry off half the White House, but they’ve worked their way back into my good graces. Help defeat the Mus– (oops, I see the Missouri Truth Squad coming up my driveway, so I gotta log off fast.) See ya!
Posted by: Gotta Love Those Clintons! | October 1, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Thanks Steve,
so you have pints in LIBERAL New England. People don’t ask for pints in the COuth, Midwest, or Western states.
I notice obama did not state any specific concerns. more nothingness.
Posted by: geevill | October 1, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
“If the financial rescue bill fails in Congress yet again, the present crisis will turn into a disaster.” Who said that, Obama? NOOOOO– McCain. Sounds to me like he supports the bill just as much as Obama, eh McCainiacs?
Posted by: mila | October 1, 2008, 1:52 pm 1:52 pm
Those of you who blaming Wall St. for the problems ought to look in the mirror…I bet many of you benefitted from the easy credit available and are living beyond your means. You can blame banks for giving people loans who had bad credit but I am sure many of you were happy to look the other way when your home values were going up because the market was hot…So, blame Wall St. all you want but they were providing what Main St. wanted (i.e, easy access to cash, home ownership, and economy booming). And I am sure many of you voted for the folks who provided this gross lack of oversight because they supported a governmental hands-off approach to the economy. So, America should look at itself in the mirror. The demagoguery and railing that is going on now against the bill is insane. Doing nothing is not an option since it will lead to disaster. Muddling along is no better either since it deepens and prolongs the problem. I don’t like providing $700 billion dollars to shore up the economy. But I do believe something needs to be done now to relieve the crisis….not days, weeks, months, from now.
Posted by: indy_voter | October 1, 2008, 1:55 pm 1:55 pm
*** oops, I see the Missouri Truth Squad coming up my driveway, so I gotta log off fast. ***
I find it amusing that people pull this Missouri incident out as if it is somehow a bad thing to actually enforce existing laws regarding false and deceptive advertising. As the numbers continue to drop, we will see more and more ‘grasping at straws’ I’m afraid.
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 1:56 pm 1:56 pm
Geevill,
Others have commented from the heartland that they know what a pint is.
We need to see your birth certificate Mr. Evil. You are not American.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 1, 2008, 1:57 pm 1:57 pm
The remote control Obama wants something done.I don’t understand why he is doing better on the issue of economy.All the programs he talks about will never come to fruition with this economy,he is caught red handed with the ACORN scandal which is the heart of the financial crisis.The entitlement regime should be over.Dems are sure playing the economic fear card well if the poll numbers are to be beleived.McCain has the personal qualities of a leader and the knowledge the courage and the judgement to make the right decisions,the Chicago machinist does not.
Posted by: jol | October 1, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
MOST OF THE WALL STREET TYCOONS THAT MADE MONEY OUT OF US
ARE IN FACT ALL REPUBLICANS…
WHY?
BECAUSE REPUBLICANS ARE FOR THE RICH AND NOT FOR MIDDLE AMERICA.
REPUBLICANS FEED BITS OF FOOD TO EACH GROUP TO DO WHAT THEY WANT…MAKE EVERY DAY MORE MONEY OUT OF AMERICANS.
GUNS TO THE NRA
ABORTION AND GAY ISSUES TO CHURCHES
NO TAXES?
THE WHOLE THING IS A SCAM TO DIVIDE PEOPLE AND STOP SEEING THE TRUTH, THAT
REPUBLICANS ONLY CARE FOR THE RICH.
Posted by: the independen thinker | October 1, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
Obama: Present
Posted by: McCain Not Hussein | October 1, 2008, 1:58 pm 1:58 pm
I will vote for Obama but the bailout must have:
1. NO PURCHASE OF JUNK INVESTMENTS–ONLY THOSE BACKED BY REAL ASSETS.
2. NO SUPPORT OF FIRMS THAT BID UP THE PRICE OF OIL/GAS TO COVER THEIRE LOSSES ON BAD INVESTMENTS ELSEWHERE. They are leeches and deserve to fail.
3. Return of all executive level bonuses paid for 2007–they obviously weren’t earned.
4. Some sort of insurance per transaction or progressive income tax to be a premium on future bailout insurance. Insurance companies do it after a storm why not here?
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | October 1, 2008, 2:00 pm 2:00 pm
Change we can believe in? ….. give more money, we don’t even have, to a system recognized as curupt and irresponsible? Play the fear card to us dumb ‘little people’ about jobs and small businesses?
Nobody in this election is about changing what is truly broken. They all just paint the same old as red or blue and then set the ‘little people’ to argue with one another over stuff that will never get done anyway.
If you really want to protect the little people, stop throwing the money at the fat cats….. us little people are over here.
Posted by: StuDaBaka | October 1, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
We don’t need Palin and McCain, we need somebody with a brain.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | October 1, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
In 2003, President Bush addressed the country and told the United States of America that we were going to risk our nation’s safety if we did not engage in war with Iraq. In 2003, because of the fear over Saddam Hussein’s possession of nuclear weapons, Congress voted overwhelmingly to occupy Iraq. In 2008, we know that, not only was invading Iraq a mistake, but it was in the vested interest of President Bush and a Congress who failed to act on past threats. In Sept. 2008, President Bush addressed the country and said that the American ecnomy will never recover if we don’t pass the “bailout” bill, giving millions to Henry Paulson to reduce the deficit of mortgage companies. We KNOW that several members of Congress have a vested interest in this bill getting past. Three of them have received numerous contributions from Fannie Mae, several of them have their own bad mortgages and two of them are Presidential candidates who want to play Hero and “fix” the mess – along with outspoken members of Congress (e.g. Nancy Pelosi) who want to make Obama the hero.
Are we really going to fall for the SAME ploy again? Members of the House did the job we elected them for when they listened to the concerns of their constituents. Not passing this bill isn’t going to adversely affect my ability to have a job and earn a living. In fact, PASSING it will only delay a reoccurence of future problems.
Let the market fail, let it rebuild itself. Learn to trust your own instincts – hold your representatives liable.
Posted by: Typical White Woman | October 1, 2008, 2:02 pm 2:02 pm
*** Obama: Present ***
McCain: Absent
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/m000303/
(absent for 64% of votes, more than any other senator in congress)
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 2:03 pm 2:03 pm
Obama will vote how his economic advisor, Franklin Raines (Fannie Mae), tells him to vote.
So, the taxpayer will continue to make people like Franklin Raines wealthy as he works for Obama.
How about you?
Will you vote for the economic advice and prosperity of Franklin Raines and Obama?
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: jayhawk | October 1, 2008, 2:04 pm 2:04 pm
*** Obama will vote how his economic advisor, Franklin Raines (Fannie Mae), tells him to vote. ***
Claim: Obama’s top adviser is former Fannie Mae CEO Franklin Raines
Fact: False
Reality:
Many e-mails, blogs and even McCain political television ads have been attempting to connect Obama to the former CEO of failed mortgage giant Fannie Mae, and claiming that Raines is a close adviser to Obama on “housing and mortgage policy”. However, Raines has issued a statement claiming “I am not an adviser to Barack Obama, nor have I provided his campaign with advice on housing or economic matters.” The claim apparently originates with several articles appearing in the Washington Post that rely on a single conversation between Raines and a Washington Post business reporter, Anita Huslin.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/19/AR2008091903604.html
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 2:06 pm 2:06 pm
the independent thinker, I used to think the same thing growing up, after all I was raised to be a die hard dem. Then I grew up and realized the opposite is true, I like lower taxes, I like being able to buy a gun if I want, I like being free to go or not go to the church of my choice. I don’t believe in the over abundance of social welfare programs, and most of all I don’t want to live in a socialist country (if I did, I’d just move). I am a moderate libertarian and O just hang way to far off the left side for me. I find I have way more in common with the repubs this year. As for only the rich benefiting from this melt down, do a litle research on where the problem started and whom the dems (not the repubs) want to benefit.
Posted by: samhiguchi | October 1, 2008, 2:07 pm 2:07 pm
Obama= “empty suit, no susbstance” as usual!
First flip flop on FISA, now the bail out, and who knows what else. Go back to Chicago, Obammy, Ameica does not want you!
Posted by: Obama=Pelosi=Losers | October 1, 2008, 2:08 pm 2:08 pm
McCain, Obama, and Biden would all better serve the American people by being absent rather than voting in favor of a bailout for Wall Street CEO’s.
Or, are you in favor of paying for the rich to get richer?
Posted by: McCain Not Hussein | October 1, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Yeah, we know what a pint is. “Bitter” Americans do not go around asking for a “pint”. When Obama has to go can someone point him to where the “loo” is.
Posted by: geevill | October 1, 2008, 2:10 pm 2:10 pm
Go to u tube and type Dr. Mr. Obama
Posted by: American Splendor | October 1, 2008, 2:14 pm 2:14 pm
beck: Google “hyperinflationary depression”. Or perhaps “Weimar republic.” Would you like to log around a barrell full of dollars just to buy a loaf of bread! Let them go bankrupt, they can reorganize, cutback, and get new management and come back into solvency. But rewarding a crook from stealing from you by giving him your family, neighbors, and even stangers you’ve never met’s personal savings, does NOTHING to “solve” anything. You don’t stop theft by giving a crook a free pass when he’s caught red handed, AND then steal more money from others to subsidize him for being caught! No you PROSECUTE him and SEIZE his personal assets, it’s called the RICO act, use it! I’m not about to go into the hole just to bailout FOREIGN BANKERS!!! No how, NO WAY!!!
Posted by: hmn | October 1, 2008, 2:16 pm 2:16 pm
I just had a terrible thought.
A Democratic Administration that will allow this incompetent and childish House to get their way close to 100% of the time.
Aaaaaauuuuuuggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Typical White Woman | October 1, 2008, 2:17 pm 2:17 pm
Steve_NJ
McCain supported a bill to regulate Fannie and Freddie three year ago. It was blocked by Democrats. He is not against regulation where it is needed and has called for more regulation for some things.
Don’t believe all the emails you get from Obama. Most of it is not true.
What experience in this area does Obama have, exactly? None? Right, like everything else.
Posted by: Keith | October 1, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
Obama endorsed by Vibe Magazine.
Posted by: Lookup | October 1, 2008, 2:20 pm 2:20 pm
On July 16, 2008, The Washington Post reported that Franklin Raines had “taken calls from Barack Obama’s presidential campaign seeking his advice on mortgage and housing policy matters.”
Also, in an editorial in August 27, 2008 titled “Tough Decision Coming”, the Washington Post editorial staff wrote that “Two members of Mr. Obama’s political circle, James A. Johnson and Franklin D. Raines, are former chief executives of Fannie Mae.
Sorry, I didn’t mention Johnson.
Anyone can find a link to agree with a given opinion.
Facts are not necessarily what Obamabot aj says they are.
Anybody But Obama…
Posted by: Jayhawk | October 1, 2008, 2:24 pm 2:24 pm
Keith,
You are the one inhaling all the GOP lies.
In case you missed it read below:
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Claim: McCain championed legislation that would have prevented the current financal meltdown
Fact: False/Misleading
In his September 19th speach in Arlington, VA., Sen. McCain states:
“Two years ago, I called for reform of this corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Congress did nothing. Senator Obama did nothing, and actually profited from this system of abuse and scandal”
What he is referring to is a Senate bill (S.190[109th] Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005) which was originally authored by Sen. Charles Hagel and co-sponsored by Sen. Sununu and Sen. Dole. It was not until after a 2006 Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight Report to Congress outlining problems with the two organizations that Sen. McCain decided to add his name to the bill as a co-sponsor. The bill never made it out of committee (Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs), which was at the time controlled by a Republican majority and chaired by Republican Senator Richard Shelby. The statement about Congress and Sen. Obama doing nothing is true, but misleading, since there was nothing that they could have done until the bill came to the floor of the Senate, which it never did.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s109-190
Posted by: aj1221 | Oct 1, 2008 1:43:06 PM
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 1, 2008, 2:26 pm 2:26 pm
Yup. The needed rush on this, is to hush those who would dare to name names, when the indictments come.
The evidence is all over the place. Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Franks, Dodd, Rains, and others. All complicit in their greed. They are responsible for screwing over every single working tax payer in this country.
The change we were waiting for. It just came before January.
Posted by: Jeanie | October 1, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
Ex-Democrat:
John McCain warned about corruption at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac in 2005. He even introduced a bill to address the problems. The Democrats (Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, etc.) insisted there were no problems at these institutions. Now it’s clear that McCain was right, but somehow McCain and the Republicans are to blame for this mess? Are you Obamabots crazy? The mortgage crisis is at the heart of this financial meltdown, and it is the Democratic Party who supported ACORN in its quest to make sure low-income people got homes, whether they could afford them or not. You know ACORN – the group that registers their pets and dead people to vote Democratic? As a Democrat, even I can see the Republicans are getting the bum rap for this. The Bush administration has been a disaster, and the Republicans are far from pure, but it’s clear to me that the Democratic elite (not ordinary Democrats) are at the heart of this particular financial problem. The Democrats want to strengthen their numbers in the minority community, and Republicans were hamstrung in their efforts to address these issues because they did not want to be called racists. Now we see what happens when low-income people buy houses they can’t afford – the rest of us wind up footing the bill. This fed-up Democrat has seen the light.
GOOD GOING EX-DEMOCRAT.
If you look throughout this blog and all the expressions of the truth about Obama, and the blatant idiocy (hope you Democrats understand big words) to even fathom voting for him, no one on here can answer any of the facts of Obama and justfy them to be true. So I guess that makes all of us Obama haters to be correct! Quit exagerating and trying to make out that Obama is this great Messiah and give me some solid proof, not just your hearsay.
Posted by: sorenhawk | October 1, 2008, 2:28 pm 2:28 pm
What it means by not perfect is that the dems are attaching lots of riders to it… and there are too many giveaways in it most likely.
Oh, BTW, it was just released that Nancy Pelosi that”House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has directed nearly $100,000 from her political action committee to her husband’s real estate and investment firm over the past decade, a practice of paying a spouse with political donations that she supported banning last year”. by The Washington Times.Imagine that.
Posted by: Fran | October 1, 2008, 2:30 pm 2:30 pm
There is always something Obama could have done and in this case he could have displayed those reaching-across-the-aisle skills he things he has and co-sponsored the bill. But he didn’t he did, well, nothing.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 1, 2008, 2:36 pm 2:36 pm
The crew at Atlas Shrugs has been doing yoeman’s work at going through Barack’s donations and have found:
$10,450 for Good Will, employed by ‘Loving You’ in over 900 entries
$24,321.41 from someone in a Gaza Refugee camp (from a refugee camp?? Yeah, right!)
$10,780 in 1,044 transactions from DOODAD PRO, working for FDGFDGF
The unreachable and/or non-existent Dr. Okechukwu Dimpka for $4,718.
Note that each of these amounts is greater than that which is allowed. There are any number of odd patterns to be found, like the ‘unemployed’ Jeanne McCrudey, who actually works at CBS, is a HuffPo contributor and made hundreds of contributions. A Rebbecca Kurth made 34 donations in a single day. (I’ll pass on my suspicion on this one. These people may have set up Pay Pal accounts and are accepting contributions from anywhere, then ‘bundling’ them- illegally- under their own names.)
And then there’s this compilation of the odds and ends, including plenty of amounts exceeding legal limits. All in all, a picture of massively illegal fund-raising going on here.
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html?s=al&promo_code=6BD9-1
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obamas-gazan-co.html
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 2:38 pm 2:38 pm
OBUMA is a catastrophe……
A pimple of huge proportions on the asses of AMERICA!!!!!
Obuma is so far left he CAN NOT reach across any aisle!!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 2:41 pm 2:41 pm
The crew at Atlas Shrugs has been doing yoeman’s work at going through Barack’s donations and have found:
$10,450 for Good Will, employed by ‘Loving You’ in over 900 entries
$24,321.41 from someone in a Gaza Refugee camp (from a refugee camp?? Yeah, right!)
$10,780 in 1,044 transactions from DOODAD PRO, working for FDGFDGF
The unreachable and/or non-existent Dr. Okechukwu Dimpka for $4,718.
Note that each of these amounts is greater than that which is allowed. There are any number of odd patterns to be found, like the ‘unemployed’ Jeanne McCrudey, who actually works at CBS, is a HuffPo contributor and made hundreds of contributions. A Rebbecca Kurth made 34 donations in a single day. (I’ll pass on my suspicion on this one. These people may have set up Pay Pal accounts and are accepting contributions from anywhere, then ‘bundling’ them- illegally- under their own names.)
And then there’s this compilation of the odds and ends, including plenty of amounts exceeding legal limits. All in all, a picture of massively illegal fund-raising going on here.
http://www.newsmax.com/timmerman/Obama_fundraising_illegal/2008/09/29/135718.html?s=al&promo_code=6BD9-1
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/obamas-gazan-co.html
SOMETHING STINKY GOING ON HERE
Unlike the McCain campaign, which has made its complete donor database available online, the Obama campaign has not identified donors for nearly half the amount he has raised, according to the Center for Responsive Politics (CRP).
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 2:45 pm 2:45 pm
Obama has not tried to reach across the aisle. He has been so far up his puppet masters “Pelosi’s” butt that he can’t see straight. McCain in climbing in the polls again and will be the next POTUS.
Obama = Dumb
Biden = Dumber
Pelosi = Dumbest
Posted by: Obama=Pelosi=Losers | October 1, 2008, 2:46 pm 2:46 pm
Gwen Ifill is moderator and managing editor of “Washington Week” and senior correspondent for “The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer.” She is also frequently asked to moderate debates in national elections, including the Vice Presidential debate during the 2004 election and the upcoming Vice Presidential debate scheduled for October. Ifill is also the author of the forthcoming book The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama.
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Yet, another play by the NoBama campaign to try and pull the “wool over America’s” eyes. Ifill, who wrote a book about NoBama, serving as the moderator? Yeah, just like the Chicago thug, NoBama!
Posted by: Obama=Pelosi=Losers | October 1, 2008, 2:49 pm 2:49 pm
“The Republicans are for the Rich” . . . . Really? My aunt and uncle are rich. They own one restaurant, and a small speciality meat market. They employ about 30 people total. Yes, they make a lot of money, and they use most of it to pay taxes and make their payroll. They live in the same house they lived in 30 years ago – when they were first building their business. They work 50 and 60 hour weeks. They seldom take a vacation. They vote Republican primarily because of the taxation issues. Higher taxes hurt their business. They have less to pay their employees, and their customers have less disposable income to spend in their establishments. Obama wants to raise payroll taxes, inheritance taxes, capital gains taxes, dividend taxes, business taxes. When Charlie Gibson asked him why he would raise taxes on capital gains when it has been shown that increasing capital gains taxes does NOT result in increased tax revenue, he stammered and said, “Out of simple fairness.” Fairness to whom? Everyone is affected by increased taxes on business, capital gains, etc. If you have a pension plan or a 401K plan or mutual funds, you are going to be adversely affected by Obama’s increased taxes. The only people who will profit are the poor. I’m sorry there are poor people in this world, but I work hard for my money, I earned it, and I want to keep more of it. I got an education and bettered myself. Maybe the ACORN types should get off their butts and get jobs. Then they could afford the homes they want to buy.
Posted by: JB in St. Louis | October 1, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
I have a prediction on the debate tomorrow night. Biden will open with a perfect and beautific speach that moves America to new heights and then continue by telling us how he graduated top five at Harvard, proving his proper place in politics…oh, wait; he did that already only it was someone elses speach lol and he didn’t graduate top five at his college, he was in the bottom five percent. Biden loses by lying as usual and passing off other peoples ideas as his own.
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 2:55 pm 2:55 pm
On cnnmoney.com, an article tells that the concessions are:
increased insurance for depositors from $100 thousand to $250 thou for all you folks who are worried about your 1/4 million dollar bank deposits.
relief from the Alternative Tax Minimum or Wealth tax – nice for the rich
renewable energy tax incentives – for individuals and businesses alike – is this you?
and something odd …
“The revised bailout bill also includes a “Mental Health Parity” provision, which would require health insurance companies to cover mental illness at parity with physical illness.”
The golden parachutes are still there. There is no relief for homeowners. The bill is much the same as it was with some special interest concessions thrown in.
Sad that you Americans are getting conned this way. The first bill gets overturned so you think – hey, democracy works! – and go about your business. Then, when no one is looking, the swines take what they want.
None of these concessions will improve your debt situation in the least.
Sorry to see that Obama is just as evil as the last guy. His concessions are not for the little guy at all. He uses this tragedy to show how ‘he reaches out’ but now we can see who he really works for.
Why bother voting – those two guys are pretty much the same.
Posted by: Stella | October 1, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
YES! Exactly, good going! You notice that the facts are all pointing against Obama. I have not heard one good fact about him yet! Does that tell you Obama lovers something? Evidently not all news stations are giving the american public the correct facts, well you see them now.
Posted by: sorenhawk | October 1, 2008, 2:56 pm 2:56 pm
This just in; dead people have apparently donated to Obama’s campaign…will they also vote for him?
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 2:57 pm 2:57 pm
Leave it to the left to come up with welfare for the business world.
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 3:00 pm 3:00 pm
I wanted to ask if anyone else is being harassed on their cell by the Obama campaign. Somehow they have gotten my number and I have been called non stop by the most ignorant idiots I have ever spoken to in my life. I don’t know what rock they have crawled out from under.
The peculiar tactic they are doing now is calling asking for my father (who is supporting Obama argh!). How in the world did they marry up my father’s name to my cell?! I have let them know they have the wrong number and then they launch into the Obama crap. Finally, I gave up and said yes you have his support just to get them to stop!
I am stout and I can hold my own, but I am seriously worried about those who arnt and think they must do what these calls are telling them they must do. That is vote for Obama or else!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 3:01 pm 3:01 pm
Politicians Principally to blame for the Impending Financial Collapse of the World Economy
Why is it that governments around the world did nothing until financial death was knocking on the door?
For they were told at least five years ago about the dire state of the international financial markets. In this respect clear examples of this knowledge that they had at the time were,
1. In 2003 the former US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan warned of the forthcoming financial collapse if Fannie Mae’s activities were not reined in. The government did nothing and Fannie Mae was allowed to continue operating until only last month, some five-years after the warning from the US’s top banker was given. Indeed, the 30% of mortgages in the US, which are toxic mortgages, equates to losses for the banks of $3.1 trillion. Therefore how could politicians overlook such a failure it has to be asked? The only answer can be incompetence and complacency at the highest level.
2. In 2006 the Bank for International Settlements, the world’s most prestigious financial body and the central banker’s ultimate bank, stated that the financial world was in a diabolical state and that it had to change its current ways and activities. No government throughout the world intervened until it is was too late and where caution was not on the agenda for them just a mere two years ago.
Clearly therefore it is the politicians who are to blame for all the mess that we all now find ourselves and due to them not taking any action years ago. Indeed, the dire problems that we are now starting to witness are a direct result of their total complacency for years and where eventually it will cause the worst financial crash that we have ever witnessed. For this is already transferring into the economy and where the wheels of industry are now steadily but surely starting to slow to a full stop.
It is not only the bankers therefore who need sorting out but their bed pals the politicians as well. For both have made enormous financial benefit out of this unprecedented, irresponsibility and appalling personal greed.
Dr David Hill
World Innovation Foundation Charity (WIFC)
Bern, Switzerland
Posted by: dr david hill | October 1, 2008, 3:02 pm 3:02 pm
This just in; dead people have apparently donated to Obama’s campaign…will they also vote for him?
Posted by: unbrainwashed | Oct 1, 2008 2:57:09 PM
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YES!! The BOTS are regeristing whole grave yards!!!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
obama will vote “Present” – as usual so he can remain neutral – all for his political gain – he is a FRAUD – and the American people know this.
IF a moderator had written a book on McCain do you think the obama gang would be OK with this – NOT!
Posted by: Molly | October 1, 2008, 3:03 pm 3:03 pm
If we are smart, we’ll get a fresh bunch in both parties….let’s get rid of all the old timers and start over and if they get out of line this time, let’s kick their butts out after one term.
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 3:06 pm 3:06 pm
John McCain recognized the corruption in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac years ago. He supported legislation to address the corruption. Democrats stopped it. They said there was no corruption. Obama didn’t open his mouth on the subject. McCain supporters – not enough Americans realize this. The Obama-media is ignoring this little fact. Please spread the word among your family and friends, and ask them to do the same. The Obama-media will never tell Americans the truth. IF CONGRESS HAD FOLLOWED MCCAIN’S ADVICE, WE WOULD NOT BE IN THE MIDDLE OF THIS FINANCIAL MESS.
Posted by: Ex Democrat | October 1, 2008, 3:09 pm 3:09 pm
That’s true Ex Democrat I listened to the speach he gave on that bill he co-authored. The Dems blocked it hehe. But of course they blame the Bush administration.
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
HP Boston,
Liar.
You are more worried that the earth is shifting fast from under the McNasty Campaign.
You are afraid of the impending crash of that sharade of a campaign.
Posted by: Steve_NJ | October 1, 2008, 3:11 pm 3:11 pm
HP Boston, I’ve had similar experiences with the Obama campaign. I told them the same thing – just to get them off my backs. I’m voting for Obama – now leave me alone. Of course, I won’t. I’m voting McCain. They can’t follow me into the voting booth.
Posted by: Andreas | October 1, 2008, 3:13 pm 3:13 pm
Any of you Obama fans ever watch C-Span? Why is it that Obama’s claims don’t line up with the events that ocurred on the floor? C-Span proves you people are brainwashed, uneducated on the facts and just spouting the left’s talking points. C-Span….it’s what’s for dinner.
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 3:14 pm 3:14 pm
You are absolutely right Ex Democrat! What happened to Beck? No facts to back up your statements? What does that tell everyone? The democrats are putting the blame on the Republicans, but if you do your research like all good Americans should, it was the Democrats and Obama that was in on this financial disaster, Obama is a supporter of Acorn. Check out his financial backers and the 2 CEO’s from Freddie Mac & Fannie Mae, they are all in on it and as always pushing the blame on someone else.
Posted by: sorenhawk | October 1, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
On cnnmoney.com, an article tells that the concessions are:
increased insurance for depositors from $100 thousand to $250 thou for all you folks who are worried about your 1/4 million dollar bank deposits.
relief from the Alternative Tax Minimum or Wealth tax – nice for the rich
renewable energy tax incentives – for individuals and businesses alike – is this you?
and something odd …
“The revised bailout bill also includes a “Mental Health Parity” provision, which would require health insurance companies to cover mental illness at parity with physical illness.”
The golden parachutes are still there. There is no relief for homeowners. The bill is much the same as it was with some special interest concessions thrown in.
Sad that you Americans are getting conned this way. The first bill gets overturned so you think – hey, democracy works! – and go about your business. Then, when no one is looking, the swines take what they want.
None of these concessions will improve your debt situation in the least.
Sorry to see that Obama is just as evil as the last guy. His concessions are not for the little guy at all. He uses this tragedy to show how ‘he reaches out’ but now we can see who he really works for.
Posted by: Stella | Oct 1, 2008 2:56:26 PM
YES! Exactly, good going! You notice that the facts are all pointing against Obama. I have not heard one good fact about him yet! Does that tell you Obama lovers something? Evidently not all news stations are giving the American public the correct facts, well you see them now.
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HOW MANY SENATORS DOES IT TAKE TO PUT LIPSTICK ON THE PIG BAILOUT??????
NO!!!
SAY NO TO WALL STREET
RAPE OF MAIN STREET!!!!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 3:15 pm 3:15 pm
HP Boston, I’ve had similar experiences with the Obama campaign. I told them the same thing – just to get them off my backs. I’m voting for Obama – now leave me alone. Of course, I won’t. I’m voting McCain. They can’t follow me into the voting booth.
Posted by: Andreas | Oct 1, 2008 3:13:32 PM
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Exactly….we are NOT voting for BO!
Every one I talk to say oh sure yup to the BOTs…thinking ya right…lol
Get in my face, NOW I WILL NEVER VOTE POVERTY PIMP!!!!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 3:22 pm 3:22 pm
Didn’t Bush essentially say the same thing? That catastrophe is imminent?
Yeah, right, the world is going to end if this bill doesn’t get passed. Disaster will be averted if it does. Just like the stimulus checks were meant to divert disaster. And taking over Fan/Fred. And AIG. And, and, and….
How can anyone believe anything that these fools in DC (of either party) have to say? They don’t even understand the problems themselves and somehow they know exactly how to solve the problems?
The truth is there is NO problem: The market is doing what markets are meant to do when so much excess and bad stuff is in the system.
This is pure pandering and fear mongering by politicians on both sides.
Posted by: Fed Up With Them All | October 1, 2008, 3:24 pm 3:24 pm
Did anyone happen to notice that more and more African-Americans are picketing the Obama campaigns? Look on C-Span, then Obama’s mafia escorted them out. CNN was covering his rallies and caught it on camera.
Posted by: sorenhawk | October 1, 2008, 3:32 pm 3:32 pm
451 pages of crap including lotsa pork:
A few of the earmarks stuffed in the bill:
- Film and Television Productions (Sec. 502)
- Wooden Arrows designed for use by children (Sec. 503)
- 6 page package of earmarks for
litigants in the 1989 Exxon Valdez incident, Alaska (Sec. 504)
Tax earmark “extenders” in the bailout bill.
- Virgin Island and Puerto Rican Rum (Section 308)
- American Samoa (Sec. 309)
- Mine Rescue Teams (Sec. 310)
- Mine Safety Equipment (Sec. 311)
- Domestic Production Activities in Puerto Rico (Sec. 312)
- Indian Tribes (Sec. 314, 315)
- Railroads (Sec. 316)
- Auto Racing Tracks (317)
- District of Columbia (Sec. 322)
- Wool Research (Sec. 325)
SERIOULY PEOPLE SERIOULY!!!!!
THE AMERICAN CONGRESS IS AIMING FOR 0%
APPROVAL……..I WILL WORK TO VOTE EVERY SINGLE LOSER OUT OF OFFICE!!!!!
SERIOUSLY!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 3:35 pm 3:35 pm
From an April 2008 Washington Post report on Obama’s campaign funding, compiled from FEC records:
The list includes 21 Wall Street executives and power brokers from Fortune 500 companies.
Among the group are businessmen such as Kenneth Griffin, a famously private 39-year-old billionaire who threw his support behind Obama’s presidential campaign just as he hired a team of lobbyists to urge Congress to preserve a lucrative tax loophole.
A year ago, Griffin invited Obama to speak to employees of his Chicago hedge fund, Citadel Investment Group, and in subsequent months, employees and their families gave the candidate nearly $200,000.
Posted by: LJC | October 1, 2008, 3:37 pm 3:37 pm
RE:
Citadel Investment Group
Big Deal. People like and respect Obama. You people are saying his problem is that a lot of different people want him to win. Not so with McCain — just a few wealthy people . . Elites I believe they are called.
Posted by: Mr. Coffee | October 1, 2008, 3:43 pm 3:43 pm
Well if you saw Clinton on King, he as much as said he’s voting for McCain. Isn’t that CNN?
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 3:45 pm 3:45 pm
Mr. Coffee:
Not so with McCain — just a few wealthy people . . Elites I believe they are called. Yes Elites mean “cream of the crop” not like Obama “bottom of the barrel”
Posted by: sorenhawk | October 1, 2008, 3:54 pm 3:54 pm
I and at least 50 people I know are voting for McCain and I asure we are not elite.Even My democrat sister and Fiancee will be switching side this election
Posted by: reddog0216 | October 1, 2008, 3:55 pm 3:55 pm
What really surprises me is this — why are you people not emailing & phoning your representatives to protest?
No point in blathering on blogs. Email your congressman and make sure they know you will vote them out if they support this bill.
Posted by: stella | October 1, 2008, 3:59 pm 3:59 pm
Vote ‘No’ to the bailout-Resuce Plan. The New Plan, puts Humpty Dumpty back onthe Wall Street. Wall Street is the seperation, between The 5% and the 95%. The New Revisions, only make Wall Street in control again. We wil once again loose our ‘Independence’. Why would anyone support, the New Bill, will only bring forth a Credit Line of ‘Mass Destruction.’Please vote ‘No’ to ‘Wall Street’. No More Division.
Let Americans own their own homes. By Saving Wall Street, They can still own Your Houses, and later, evven raise the intrest rate, to earn themselves more money.
Vote Independant.
WallStreet will Buy McCains ‘WIN’
Remember Clintons Suprise?
Take it to the Bank, That these stall tactics, is a Nixon-Clinton-Bush-McCain set-up.
Follow the trail Back to the Beginning.
Watch CNN and MSNBC
Call Your Congress and Say NO
Posted by: historyremembered | October 1, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
What is the change that Obama is saying he represents? He said he wouldn’t negative campaign but HE IS. He said he wouldn’t accept pac money; HE DID. He espouses all of the crazy ideas of the far left, NOT NEW. He said he wouldn’t let his campaign be about race and, IT IS. The right hasn’t raised the issue but the left is going crazy with comments like, “just because you vote for Obama doesn’t mean you are not racist”, or my favorite, “If you don’t vote for Obama, you are racist”. Negative campaigning to the left is simply pointing out their voting record.
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 4:04 pm 4:04 pm
I love how the rich get us focused on race and keep us from recognizing the truth: Class warfare.
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 4:06 pm 4:06 pm
“MILWAUKEE – Oprah Winfrey’s mother says she shouldn’t have to pay a nearly $156,000 debt to a high-end fashion store because store officials shouldn’t have extended credit to her”
Can Obama slip in a baiilout earmark for Oprah’s mother???? The bailou tin a nutshell. The mother of a black billionaire is not responsible for her own irresponsible spending.
Posted by: geevill | October 1, 2008, 4:10 pm 4:10 pm
Take a good look at this, it explains it all.
http://flapsblog.com/2008/09/24/the-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-meltdown-who-is-franklin-raines-who-is-jim-johnson/
Posted by: sorenhawk | October 1, 2008, 4:24 pm 4:24 pm
What really surprises me is this — why are you people not emailing & phoning your representatives to protest?
No point in blathering on blogs. Email your congressman and make sure they know you will vote them out if they support this bill.
Posted by: stella | Oct 1, 2008 3:59:45 PM
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Well duh Stella! WE ARE!! So busy it is difficult to get through, we shut em down with the overload AGAIN!!!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 4:26 pm 4:26 pm
Never mind Oprah’s mother!!!!!
Have you phoned your congressman yet?
If you don’t, then you deserve the deal you end up with. And the government you end up with.
Last chance. They will be voting in less than 3 hours and they think they can put this one over on you.
And they probably will.
Posted by: stella | October 1, 2008, 4:28 pm 4:28 pm
What bothers me Stella is that you assume I haven’t called my representatives. I have and I am also able to do these blogs because I am multi-tasking like Obama told me to.
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 4:35 pm 4:35 pm
Sorry Stella, that should have been directed at HP
Posted by: unbrainwashed | October 1, 2008, 4:37 pm 4:37 pm
Thank you for calling me on that, HP. I realize now I am sounding very rude, but I am concerned that this deal will go ahead.
I am responding to the cnnmoney article that says that calls have slowed to a trickle and about 1/2 those callers are now in favour of the bailout.
Perhaps that isn’t correct.
Sincerely hope it works out for you. Keeping my fingers crossed in Canada!
Posted by: stella | October 1, 2008, 4:45 pm 4:45 pm
Perhaps that isn’t correct.
Sincerely hope it works out for you. Keeping my fingers crossed in Canada!
Posted by: stella | Oct 1, 2008 4:45:50 PM
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Thank you Stella…….Our MSM is in the tank for OBAMA, NEVER BELIEVE ANY THING THEY SAY OR PRINT!
The TRUTH SQUADS ARE ONLY SLAMMING PEOPLE WHO DO NOT AGREE WITH OBUMA!
WE ARE NOW A THRID WORLD COUNTRY, I AM
ASHAMED OF AMERICA!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 4:51 pm 4:51 pm
I am so glad that Senator Obama has become increasingly animated and passionate in his stump speeches. His debate performance was sharp and authoritative. This is while lately, McCain seems to be dozing off with a total lack of life. He’s not showing any passion whatsoever. It’s hard not to fall asleep listening to McCain. It’s like McCain’s on sedatives, or worse yet, may be he has already given up. We’ll see soon.
Posted by: Joan | October 1, 2008, 5:03 pm 5:03 pm
Is Obama even going to lift a finger this time to make this bailout happen??
Obama to ABC: “I don’t think me calling House Republican members would have been that helpful, I tend not to be that persuasive on that side of the aisle.”
From the NY Times: “Aides to Mr. Obama said he had not directly reached out to try to sway any House Democrats who opposed the measure.”
Most of Obama’s fellow Chicago area House Democrats, and nearly all of the Congressional Black Caucus (with who Obama has great influence) voted NO to the bailout.
Will the Messiah deliver a miracle this time? Or just say, “Call me if you need me.”
Posted by: Obama Mails It In | October 1, 2008, 5:06 pm 5:06 pm
If you read Obama’s books you will see he is truly different than the rest. Before you judge him as a politician spouting rhetoric you need to get to know him. I trust this man. He could have worked on Wall Street and be retired now. He is all about helping people who are like him – that have struggled in their lives. Until this election I didn’t even know the difference between a red state and a blue state. This is a historical time – probably the last time in this generation when someone who is really for the people is running. John McCain reminds me of George Bush. If I hadn’t done so much research I probably would still be liking him. Do you really want another person worth over $100 million leading this country? Does he really care about the middle class? He was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.
Posted by: Marcia | October 1, 2008, 5:14 pm 5:14 pm
HIS BOOKS!! THE WORLD ACCORDING TO HIS TERRORIST, MARXIST MENTORS!!!
HE IA A MADE UP FAIRY TALE!
A SLICK RICK!
A POVERTY PIMP!!
OBUMA IS A Figment OF HIS Narscisitic IMAGENATION!
GOD HAVE PITY ON US ALL!
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 5:21 pm 5:21 pm
Bill Clinton has been perhaps the strongest voice against the Obama-created meme that deregulation and the free market are at fault for a crisis actually caused by government interference. On the Gramm-Leach-Bliley bill of 1999, which passed the senate 90-8, with the prominent support of Obama backers such as Senators Chuck Schumer and Joe Biden:
In BusinessWeek.com, Maria Bartiromo reports that she asked the former President last week whether he regretted signing that legislation. Mr. Clinton’s reply: “No, because it wasn’t a complete deregulation at all. We still have heavy regulations and insurance on bank deposits, requirements on banks for capital and for disclosure. I thought at the time that it might lead to more stable investments and a reduced pressure on Wall Street to produce quarterly profits that were always bigger than the previous quarter.
“But I have really thought about this a lot. I don’t see that signing that bill had anything to do with the current crisis. Indeed, one of the things that has helped stabilize the current situation as much as it has is the purchase of Merrill Lynch by Bank of America, which was much smoother than it would have been if I hadn’t signed that bill.”
One of the writers of that legislation was then-Senator Phil Gramm, who is now advising John McCain, and who Mr. Obama described last week as “the architect in the United States Senate of the deregulatory steps that helped cause this mess.” Ms. Bartiromo asked Mr. Clinton if he felt Mr. Gramm had sold him “a bill of goods”?
Mr. Clinton: “Not on this bill I don’t think he did. You know, Phil Gramm and I disagreed on a lot of things, but he can’t possibly be wrong about everything. On the Glass-Steagall thing, like I said, if you could demonstrate to me that it was a mistake, I’d be glad to look at the evidence.
“But I can’t blame [the Republicans]. This wasn’t something they forced me into. I really believed that given the level of oversight of banks and their ability to have more patient capital, if you made it possible for [commercial banks] to go into the investment banking business as Continental European investment banks could always do, that it might give us a more stable source of long-term investment.”
Posted by: Slick Willy Busts Obama on Deregulation | October 1, 2008, 5:25 pm 5:25 pm
One thing confuses me….I thought John McCain was suspending his campaign until the crisis is resolved? Wasn’t that he rushed back to Washington? McCain is a phony and always has been. His maverick image is just that….a way to demagogue so his constituency would keep electing him. Meanwhile, he has been fairly ineffectual as a legislator for 27 years..If he wasn’t an ex-POW he would never have been elected in the first place.
Posted by: indy_voter | October 1, 2008, 5:33 pm 5:33 pm
dont know about you guys–but perhaps all are trying to rip us off before the politiocal change—–let wall st bail itself out—i would not trust that nest of super big money thieves. put the money into alternate energy and give us all a break.
Posted by: rodney | October 1, 2008, 5:36 pm 5:36 pm
Here’s the moment I knew was coming. Democrats are re-writing this bill with all of their junk added to it. Now they are riding in to save us today!
Who are they saving us from? THEM
Posted by: S Adams | October 1, 2008, 5:48 pm 5:48 pm
McCain warned that this financial disaster would happen in 2006 and the Denocrats told him he didn’t know what he was talking about, Fannie Mae was fine, that he was causing a crisis where there was none.
All along the Dems had their hands behind their back accepting money from Fannie Mae.
Posted by: S Adams | October 1, 2008, 5:51 pm 5:51 pm
BECAUSE of John McCain the 200 million to ACORN is OFF THE TABLE….
He is pushing for more control and less give-aways, but he is only one man–and it appears that the WHOLE of Washington is crooked to the core….
Posted by: HP Boston | October 1, 2008, 5:53 pm 5:53 pm
Obama is nothing but talk. His contribution to the bailout was calling Bush, Pelosi, and Reid. From ABC News, “I don’t think me calling House Republican members would have been that helpful, I tend not to be that persuasive on that side of the aisle.”
This is the great uniter who’s going to change the way Washington works? John McCain has a proven record of working across the aisle.
Posted by: marylou | October 1, 2008, 6:01 pm 6:01 pm
>> One thing confuses me….I thought John McCain was suspending his campaign until the crisis is resolved?
Yes.
>> Wasn’t that he rushed back to Washington?
Yes.. and then didn’t actually ‘rush’ back to Washington.
>> McCain is a phony and always has been. His maverick image is just that…
Yes he is.. and his ‘Maverick’ image is of a McCain long ago and far removed from today, where he seems to have the ‘chicken little’ image of running around flapping his wings claiming the sky is falling.
>> Meanwhile, he has been fairly ineffectual as a legislator for 27 years..
Well, he has had his hands on most of what has brought us to where we are, and at that I’d say he has been pretty effectual in the wrong kind of way.
>> If he wasn’t an ex-POW he would never have been elected in the first place.
Agreed.. and I’m quite frankly tired of him bringing that up at every opportunity. I want to hear about how he thinks he can continue the trickle down tax crap in todays economy. I want to hear him tell me why his health plan will cause many more people to lose coverage than to obtain it since he wants to tax employers on their provided health care for the first time in history and he thinks that is a good idea. I want to hear him say that he will close the enron loophole instead of just saying that congress is investigating it. I want to hear him really commit to getting us off oil instead of a telling us he wants to drill for more while ignoring that it will not make a bit of difference short term and will take many many years to realize and simply keep us dependent for longer. I want to hear him say he will do his best to restore our former relationships within the world instead of playing the military card, and will push for diplomatic and political solutions rather than building up the military in order to scare would be enemies and allies alike. I want to hear how he will balance the budget when his tax plan will push the deficit up an estimated $4.2 trillion over 10 years and simply benefit the wealthy instead of the working class.. I’m sick of the top 1%, who control over 40% of the wealth in our country continue to get the breaks when the vast majority of us don’t.. we have the second highest wealth distribution in the world, second only to Switzerland and under his plan, it will just get worse.
Come on John, speak up.
Posted by: aj1221 | October 1, 2008, 6:03 pm 6:03 pm
Right on ‘aj’.. our current inequality between classes is staggering, and McCain just wants it to get even wider. He has no intention on offending his big oil friends, and everybody knows it. Palin’s state of Alaska almost all of their revenue from oil, mostly from windfall taxes that are then partially given back to the residents. McCain is completely opposed to windfall taxes on oil and has made it completely clear.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | October 1, 2008, 6:13 pm 6:13 pm
People who say this bill only helps out rich CEOs… PLEASE. You have no understanding of why this needs to be passed.
Posted by: Fred Truth | October 1, 2008, 6:23 pm 6:23 pm
mccain thinks that we can continue borrowing money as long as we want without any consequences.. as does bush. it will be generations before we can undo the mess they have made of our economy and the idiots who supported it.
Posted by: benji | October 1, 2008, 6:27 pm 6:27 pm
This bill is the exact same bill the House rejected.
It has only had bells and whistles added to it.
It is still a bad deal.
Please, if you have not done so already, contact your representatives. The vote takes place soon.
In November, remember what happened today and vote accordingly.
I hope my chosen candidates will vote no. Otherwise I will not vote for them.
Posted by: Sick of it | October 1, 2008, 6:29 pm 6:29 pm
If Barry had wanted the first bill to pass he would have been in Washington trying to garner votes from his party. At least McCain got 60 republicans to sign onto it.
What was Obama good for? “Call me is you need me”, “I tend to not be persuasive when it comes talking to Republicans”
A president needs to be able to work with both parties if they want their programs passed. The American people are so sick of the current Congress they may vote all of the Democrats out and then we will have another stalemate. Republican Majority and Democrat President. Nothing will get done. We will be back to where we are now.
Posted by: S Adams | October 1, 2008, 6:33 pm 6:33 pm
S Adams, what are you smoking? A greater percentage of Dems voted for the House bill than Republicans. About 70 percent of the Illinois voters went along with the bill. NONE from Arizona. So who’s more persuasive?
Posted by: Fred Truth | October 1, 2008, 6:35 pm 6:35 pm
I understand the need to promote you guy; however, I do not see a lot of talk regarding policies but rather nasty insults and vomiting spin. For instance when watching obama speak in WN I did pick up on some of the departments he intends to cut such as Agri-Business subsidies, so you have to ask yourself since only one percent of us are now farmers, won’t this substantially increase the price of food?? Farmers are not going to produce if they cannot turn a profit subsidies help regulate that. Or the government will now handle student loans and take it out of the hands of private lenders..I would think that this would make future students concern..MORE RED TAPE..MORE REGULATIONS…and who knows what I know Obama has mentioned mandated volunteer work in exchange for student money??? National health care…wants to reform Medicare…
JUST SEEMS LIKE IT IS TOO MUCH BIG BROTHER FOR ME…
Posted by: checks and balances | October 1, 2008, 6:38 pm 6:38 pm
He did not mandate volunteer work. Students have the option of working to get a $4,000 tuition credit. Might not sound like a lot, but my work-study job from the government only paid me $2,100 a year, and there is no way I could have worked many more hours than that. I wouldn’t have been able to earn $4,000 with my schedule.
Also, McCain opposes ethanol subsidies. Most farming is done by big business, now, not the little family farmers.
Posted by: Fred Truth | October 1, 2008, 7:00 pm 7:00 pm
WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi paid her husband’s real estate and investment firm nearly $100,000 from her political action committee over the past decade, a practice that she voted to ban last year and that her party condemned as part of the “culture of corruption” when Republicans did it.
Posted by: Lefty O'Doule | October 1, 2008, 7:20 pm 7:20 pm
Isn’t the option to “volunteer” in order to receive $4000.00 in student funds the same thing as mandated volunteer work IF YOU WANT $4000.00 in student funds….
I cannot EAT ethanol and I drive a hybrid….Look if Obama takes away subsidies for ALL food production one of two things will happen..farmers will refuse to grow because the price of crops are so low they cannot even afford to transport it to the distribution point..or land will be sold…I witnessed this first hand..
FARM PRODUCTION includes Fifty-three percent of our farmers are family owned, nineteen percent are family partnerships, twenty-two percent are corporation(family) and six percent are non-family corportions…
We are already being saddled with a 700 Billion tax on STUPID PEOPLE..now obama wants to promise every a middle-class tax break and 800 Billion in spending programs while cutting Agri-Business Tapping our National Gas reserves on and on and on
Posted by: checks and balances | October 1, 2008, 7:25 pm 7:25 pm
Fred Truth–None of the Republicans were going to sign onto the bill until McCain. The dems didn’t even need one Republican vote if they really want to pass the bill, THEY HAVE THE MAJORITY!
Obama could have gotten more Democrats to sign on or tried to persuade more Republicans, but he didn’t even try.
Posted by: S Adams | October 1, 2008, 7:28 pm 7:28 pm
Most farming is done by big business, now, not the little family farmers.
Therefore you simply forget about what “little family farmers” are left?
Posted by: Josef S | October 1, 2008, 7:30 pm 7:30 pm
checks and balances-you’re right. All the promises Obama makes are pipe dreams. Our country cannot afford the programs he wants to put in place. Universal Healthcare might be great in a country with a smaller population, we would go bankrupt. The bailout proposal is nothing short of socialism.
He also doesn’t have a viable energy plan. All he has said is alternative fuels (ethanol) and putting air in your tires.
Posted by: S Adams | October 1, 2008, 7:35 pm 7:35 pm
** Universal Healthcare might be great in a country with a smaller population, we would go bankrupt. **
Over the 10-year window analyzed by the TPC (2009-18), the Obama plan costs $1.6 trillion, while the McCain plan costs $1.3 trillion. When you combine that with each candidates tax plan deficit increase (McCain: $4.2 trillion over 10 years, Obama: $2.9 trillion over 10 years), McCain has a significantly greater chance of bankrupting this country.
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126
Posted by: benji | October 1, 2008, 8:29 pm 8:29 pm
Health care comparison, WSJ says:
Given the current inefficiencies in our system, the impact of the Obama plan will be profound. Besides the $2,500 savings in medical costs for the typical family, according to our research annual business-sector costs will fall by about $140 billion. Our figures suggest that decreasing employer costs by this amount will result in the expansion of employer-provided health insurance to 10 million previously uninsured people.
In contrast, Sen. McCain, who constantly repeats his no-new-taxes promise on the campaign trail, proposes a big tax hike as the solution to our health-care crisis. His plan would raise taxes on workers who receive health benefits, with the idea of encouraging their employers to drop coverage. A study conducted by University of Michigan economist Tom Buchmueller and colleagues published in the journal Health Affairs suggests that the McCain tax hike will lead employers to drop coverage for over 20 million Americans.
Posted by: Concerned Citizen | October 1, 2008, 8:37 pm 8:37 pm
You want a real catastrophe, vote for Obama. I don’t even have a mortgage why should I pay three grand to subsidize Wall Street and deadbeat and irresponsible banks and homeowners? Free market will determine who survives. I know I will survive screw you Washington and screw you Wall Street.
Posted by: thegr8 1 | October 1, 2008, 9:02 pm 9:02 pm
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Posted by: historyremembered | October 2, 2008, 7:49 am 7:49 am