Obama Uses Health Care As New Front in McCain Attack

How can you vote for some who says this about our son’s and daughters husbands and fathers and mothers in the military.Obama stating that our armed forces are “raiding villages and killing civilians” That what we are doing over there is worthless and does not added up to much.its not working it is working. We need to get out now no mater what the cost. What kind of leader would say these things?

$5000 is not going to pay for a $12000 health plan.
But McCain will accomplish one thing:
He wants insurance companies to be regulated in the state of their OWN CHOOSING, merely by reincorportating in a industry friendly, Republican state like Texas.
When your insurance plan reincorportates in Texas, nullifying all consumer protections you now have, you will be TOTALLY UNABLE to do anything about it.
Go and try to lobby for better consumer protection laws in Texas.
Making the consumers powerless is exactly McCain’s goal.

Mccain / Palin / RNC = Pond Scum

marget, you are a liar.
Obama’s comments about bombing villages were about increasing troops to afghanistan so we dont have to rely on airstrikes alone. Bush himself said something very similar about our airstrikes after an incident.
He wants to increase troops there.

Oh my, the fake postings on these ABC news articles! Wow, I guess that instead of actually going out and getting people to vote, the RNC has people who post the same RNC talking points under “clever” screen names like “Clintonite for McCain” and “Obamacrat for McCain.” Hmm, what a coincindence!
For those of you expecting to read actual analysis in this comment sections, be warned: RNC trolls abound.

Why is anyone even arguing about health care? Where is the money posssibly going to come from to implement even one of the new programs (of which the Dems have been promising in their same old rhetoric for decades) Obama says he plans to implement? Given today’s financial instability the Dems committment to spending is a prescription for Disaster unless it is going to create jobs.

GOP=white Hate
Dems= rela change and opportunity
Please, now let the conservative hate begin.

Oh Margret-
Shut up! If that bothers you, you should be bothered by the FACT that John McCain has never voted to increase or even better benefits for the Veterans. He’s voted time and time again against supporting our VETS. That to me is just an unpatriotic as what you claim Obama’s unpatriotism is.
The VETS GROUP gives McCain a 20% approval rating, for crying out loud. They give Obama and 80 % approval rating. OBVIOUSLY THEY KNOW WHO’S ON THEIR SIDE!!!!!
So stop being so damn ignorant!

the republicans keep bad-mouthing the idea of a govt. run health care plan. but isn’t that exactly the health care plan that members of congress and the military have? the plan that has covered mccain and his family for his entire life? seems to me that if ti’s good enough for them, it ought to be good enough for the rest of us…

It’s personal for me, as well. I hate McCain’s health care plan! I hate it a lot! My employer already pays for my health insurance(lucky me) and McCain wants to tax them? McCain’s plan encourages employers to drop coverage.

Barack Obama understands that our health care system is broken and it’s a serious problem when millions of Americans are uninsured. The insurance companies are only looking out for themselves and not the sick, and it’s wrong! McCain wants to add to their profits by giving them $5,000 for families and he is paying for that by eliminating the tax credits for companies who provide health care to their employees. For anyone with a brain, this would be a complete disaster. People will lose their employee based health care and be forced to buy private insurance from the very same companies who are unfair, charge high costs, and discriminate.

Really in despair! Serving on a board with someone does not imply endorsing the person past life story, the same way serving in the senate with sen McCain does not imply endorsing Bush’s fail philosophy

Say NO to blackie president Obama mamma.

YEAH! Spread some of that socialism around all you rich Republicans! I’ve been uninsured for three years once my “health” insurance Co. realized I have an auto immune disease!
I’M A HEALTH CARE VOTER!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 08
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jim … correction: Obama / Biden / DNC = Pond Scum

zago, it does when the candidate has said he agreed with bush’s decisions ‘OVER 90% OF THE TIME.’

Obama mamma is a muslim, crack smoking, rap loving Nig.

Oh, thank you God for Obama.
I’ve lived for years with a chronic condition.
I’ve had to use the Canadian pharmacies for the past two years.
I cannot get health insurance or ANY AFFORDABLE health care in the United States of America…!
What kind of country treats it’s citizens this way??
I’m so thankful for Obama.

obama will use any one and any thing to promOte his quest for the white house.
HE WILL THROW HIS MOTHER UNDER THE BUS, HE WILL THROW HIS PREACHER UNDER THE BJUS, HE WILL USE PEOPLE STOMP ON THEM AND WONDER WHY U JUST CAN’T VOTE FOR HIM. OBAMA IS RADICAL. HE LONGS TO MAKE THIS COUNTRY PAY FOR HIS OWN PERSONAL PROBLEMS IN LIFE. HE IS NOT STABLE. SARAH PALAN IS THE MOST QUALIFIED CANIDATE.

McCain’s campaign reminds me of the old line in the song about a limbo contest (or with them it might be Limbaugh) on how low can you go. They go to fear and smear to distort and distract , but with them nothing is beyond the pale (a phrase that originally applied to that part of Ireland still free from English “culture) or maybe I should say beyond Palin considering her comments of today. Bill Ayers did his political terrorism when Obama was 8 and has long been a professor at the University of Chicago which has long been known for its conservative economists and law school. I thought it was particularly amusing that today’s McCain out of bounds comments came out of a Mr. Bounds. Hopefully the American people have had enough of the Rove recipe from 2000 and 2004 and will get off of a political diet of junk food spewed out by the Republican party.

Numbers can be manipulated by the candidates to make their point. Here is my case: Small business owner, with a family of 4 (2 adults, 2 kids)policy sought in the open market (NOT an employer sponsored plan), it is considered a major medical plan with $2500 deductible per person and premiums of $925 per month, it does not pay for any doctor visits, hospital or tests until the $2500 deductible is met. In the latest year we paid $11,100 for premiums, plus out-of-pocket expenses of $5800. We had zero claims to insurance since not one of four reached the deductible. The $5800 was basically spent on preventative doctor visits and tests and maintenance prescriptions. Total bill for year: $16900. A $5000 tax credit could help a little but if our family could get into a larger pool of insured under the Obama plan, we could get better coverage at a lower pooled cost. This can’t help but benefit not only my family, but the other small business owners and their employees who could join that larger pool, and the 47 million un/under-insured. Did I mention that my premiums have gone up at 20% per year, unless you count 2006 when they increased by 44% in one year. We can’t keep up at this rate. Business is down, revenues are down, and I now have 2 kids in college. If Obama’s healthcare plan does not come to be, my family will join the ranks of the UNINSURED. I think in that case the $5000 McCain healthcare credit will be irrelevant. I could not pay for a sure to be $13320 health insurance policy with a mere $5000 credit.

Obamacrat and Clintonite have the same writing style and messag…and both sound hauntingly like McCain campaign talking points. You are so typically Republican. McCain is the original “good ole boy”, in congress forever, always pointing to the fact that he warned us all about Fannie and Freddie…yet what did he really do about them? He talked…but he did nothing. He didn’t fix a thing…he just moved on to another agenda…and Fannie and Freddy fell helplessly into the arms of the taxpayers. Thanks John McCain, for nothing.

You idiot Democrats trying to hang Bush around McCain’s neck! Stop with the “McSame”. It’s tired and nobody beleives it otherwise Sheik Al Barrack Hussein Obama would be running away with this election. The only thing that is the same is Obama is another Democrate in the failed tradition of tax and spend liberals McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis, Gore, and Kerry.
Obama sounds more of the SAME!!!! Same taxation, same sissy foreign policy!

I have had the occasion to experiment a government/ country run facility. It’s no picnic, no privacy, you share a room with 3 or 4 people who are very sick, maybe sicker than you, then you might see the specialist doctor once in a 6 day period. They schedule tests, and those can take weeks or months depending on your place in the cue, many have made the comments that you may die before they figure out your health issue. So don’t tell me I don’t get it I really get it and feel we are better off in the US if we can pick and choose our own health care, and that our country just makes it lower costs for everyone to have their own choice of care and doctors.

No Charlotte…I dont make over 250K a year. I make a good salary but not that. I do know ol Barry can’t wait to hike taxes on capital gains. Most Americans have investments…me included. He lies when he says he won’t raise taxes…he will raise taxes on everything!

As for McCain campaign bringing up Ayers, they want to get away from the economy because they found out that they cannot win on that issue but are they stupid enough to think that suddenly people are going to start forgetting that they can’t afford to pay for health care, gasoline, food, bills, house mortgage, college tuition and many more? I don’t think so. I’m sure the Obama campaign welcome them bringing up Ayers and I’m also sure they expected it and are prepared for it. They know they have nothing to hide, you can’t be guilty by association. We all have or will come across people in our life that have said or done things we don’t agree with, but does not mean we suddenly have their views. People will see that, especially when their life and money is at stake.

Health care matters!
ObamaMama right here!
thank you Obama- I need health care. I trust you to make it happen. Please put Hillary in charge of it, though. I like her plan better.
OBAMA= HEALTH CARE FOR ALL!

Government run healthcare is radical. It’s socialism. Everywhere it has been tried it has proven that it sacrifices quality for quantity. It is always a money pit and causes huge backups and waits. There has to be a better way.
I would rather lose my house and live on the street because I can’t pay my healthcare bills than die because I couldn’t get the healthcare I needed.

Obama has NO plan – Hillary had a great one – for ALL. Obama’s does NOT cover everyone – and we already have one in the US.
Obama is a Radical guy who will never be elected.

Bubba…that needs to stop too. McCain said the fundamentals of this economy are strong. I believe it and so do you. Fundamentals are pillars and foudnations. Every time our economy has been in a rut, the foundations of our economy have always been that which rebounds have occurred. Look at the S&P 500 over the course of decades…it has grown consistently. Our economy is down but McCain is damn right when he says our foundations are strong and it will be back.
How about a little pride in America for once?

Nobody is saying that government should take over health care! What Obama is saying is that government should help those who cannot afford to purchase health care from private insurance companies. It is a moral obligation to make sure that every single person can see a doctor without having to pay hundreds of dollars or not be turned away because of a pre-existing conditions.

McCain’s health care plan is a disaster. Health insurance does not work well when allowed to be free market as he thinks. What he is doing will allow the healthy to get inexpensive insurance, but the unhealthy to be unable to coverage at decent rates. McCain’s support of Medicare Advantage programs is also noteworthy as these plans cost more to administer than Medicare, cost seniors more and don’t deliver better care.
If you don’t like this financial mess we’re in now, here is the equivalent: the health insurance companies are very much like the investment banks. There is a lot of greed at some of these companies (look at the CEO salaries and you’ll get the idea). Anybody backing the insurance companies is not acting in your interest. The calamity of failing health care insurers could be the next great disaster our country could face.
I know it sounds doom and gloom, but it is within the realm of possibility.

Obama is very smart to emphasize health care. Millions of people whose employers subsidize their health care are in terror of losing their jobs — as many will do as the economy worsens.
Millions of people without employer-subsidized health care cannot get coverage at any price because of pre-existing conditions. And many who can get coverage cannot afford the premiums for themselves, let alone their children.
McCain’s plan encourages employers to stop subsidizing health insurance for their employees. This is something millions of people legitimately fear and will remember each time a bad employment report comes out, each time the Dow drops a few hundred points more — and when they lose their jobs.

Bruce Springsteen is in Philadelphia holding a rally for Barack Obama I wish I was there!

Charlotte…your boy Barry can’t cut taxes and create the massive entitlement programs he is salivating over. His healthcare plan alone will cause him to renege on his tax pledges. You need to get over Obama’s serenade and see what he really is.

Obama’s mother had a very good health care plan, better than anything the government could or would ever provide. For Obama to dance and lie on his mother ‘s grave shows his scummy and desperate motives. He makes me sick — give me health care!!
To think the government will handle health care like FANNIE MAE handled mortgages.

Well, we know where Karl Rove is – feeding the McCain campaign the lies of smear and fear. Sen. Biden accurately explained the McCain $5000/ per person contribution to INSURANCE companies as coming from a TAX on health care. Now, the emperor’s lack of clothing is obvious. McCain has NO health care solution, except to increase by millions the number of uninsured! McCain’s more of the SAME policies are exposed in foreign policy, the economy and health care. We really need a change! Rove’s smear tactics won’t wash – not when so many millions of Americans are worried about unemployment, health care, credit, housing threats and an endless war in Iraq that should never have begun.

I know that everyone can hide their true self behind these posting. It gets old, however, all these postings from “Clintonites for McCain” ” Obamamcrat for McCain” and so on.. The least you can do is be real and don’t insult our intelligence in trying to make us believe that you are some one your not.Just give your opinion and leave it at that. I really am starting to believe that the McCain campaign has workers on all the websites trying to counter anything that is negative towards McCain using these types of names…

It all comes down to whether or not you think we should continue the bush policies. If you think the war should continue indefinitely, while we spend $10,000,000,000 a month, and you think that bush has done well with the economy then mc-more-war is your man. If you think that it’s time we start to get out of iraq and do some positive things for the average American instead of just the top 1% then vote for Obama.

Remember when the Clinton’s were in office and it was Health Care reform #1 agenda. Hillary even visited other countries to study a universal plan, then after 1 year or so it got swept under the rug, why? Because she was up against the big Corp of medical industries, so Obama can say or promise until he’s blue in the face, but McCain/ Palin ticket will come closer to forcing the reform it’s going to take to clean up our medical coverage. You are absolutely right, the private/ small business folks and all walks need consideration of getting the medical industry in line with what we can afford etc. McCain/Palin have proven they will go against big corp.

hey
don’t forget kerry was up by 8 points in oct 2004 and he lost,
the polls are skewed, don’t believe it and cnn’s polls , that would make a donkey snort cocain.
obama wants a socialist society. americans want a free society period.
mccain wins by landslide….
MCCAIN WINS BY LANDSLIDE
AND NO I’M A REAL PERSON HERE ON MY OWN
BLOGGING MY OWN THOUGHTS AND VALUES. I AM NOT AN OBAMANOID

BARACK IS RADICAL AND LIAR! LOOK AT HIS RADICAL VIEW, WAKE UP AMERICA OTHERWISE TOO LATE! HE IS COMMINIST AND OUTRIGHT LIAR, DON’T TRUST THIS GUY

Just because mc-more-war was a pow does not mean he should be president. The guy used to have a spine but now is nothing but a flip-flopper and a panderer. He’s also an OLD fart. The real straight-talker, John Murtha said that the Presidency is no place for an OLD man. There’s a reason they make pilots retire at age 60. mc-more-war needs to retire with his millionaire wife. (The one he had an affair with after his first wife waited for him to come back from the war.) Obama 2008!!!

The last 8 years have been great for me and my family. I’m not rich but my 401K plan is over double what it was, my investments have all grown, my business is steady and growing, I have 3 great kids and an amazing wife. I give a good portion of my take home pay to charity, I volunteer in my community. I take accountability for myself and don’t want a handout from the government, let alone have them messing with my healthcare. I got here ON MY OWN WITHOUT ANY ENTILEMENTS OR HELP FROM THE GOVERNMENT.
I am a Republican and as much as you lefty loons think I am the devil….you’d be surprise that our party is filled with some of the greatest Americans who think helping oneself is best rather than looking for a handout. I didn’t inherit money and made very dollar myself.
I’m voting McCain and he is the leader our country needs.

SEND IN THE CLOWNS
Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) – Democratic House Leader committee’s
# Banking & Financial Services # Standards of Office Conduct and Ethics
Harry Reid (D-NV) – Democratic Senate Leader committee’s
#Rules and Administration #Corrupt practices # Federal Elections and contested elections generally.
Barney Frank (D-MA) – Chairman of the House Financial Services Committee
#banking, #insurance, #real estate, #public and assisted housing, #securities.
Charles Rangel (D-NY) – Chairman of House Ways & Means on Tax
#income taxes, #excise taxes, #estate taxes, #gift taxes, and other #miscellaneous taxes, #real estate taxes.
Chriss Dodd (D-CT) – Chairman of Senate Banking, Housing Committee.
#Banks, banking, and financial institutions #Federal monetary policy #Financial aid to commerce and industry #Public and private housing.
VOTE – John McCain / Sarah Palin TODAY!

Now to the solutions: first, understand that health insurance does not equate to good health. If everyone has health insurance, but eats six Big Macs a day then it doesn’t help overall health. So, better health for the US is separate than health insurance.
Health insurance then becomes mostly an economic issue. Businesses are struggling to keep up with rising costs and rates. Basically the proposals are made by both camps to help average Americans get insurance or improve the balance sheet of businesses by getting the cost off their books (or at least capping the rising tide).
There are a lot of ideas, but acommon one we should all start with is that no one should go broke from health care costs. No parent should ever worry that they can’t afford to treat their child’s cancer and no senior should worry about whether they should eat or fill their prescription medicine.
No, government need not (and should not in my opinion) run everything but they can level the playing field and make ground rules that work.

Way to go Obama!!!
Get McCain on the issues….
and you got McCain and Palin out there still talking about Ayers and Wright…
How sad that is…..McCain, your campaign is defeated…..

Tan: wrote
“Black people let O.J. free but justice prevailed. Don’t let a black become president.
Obama mamas grandmother lives in a hut in Kenya. He does nothing to help her.
Obama mamma is a crack somking muslim.”
******************************
Tan, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be
considered a rational thought. Everyone on this blog is now dumber for having listened to it.
May God have mercy on your soul.” Its racist idiots like you, that truly scare me more
than The McCain/Palin ticket, GOD BLESS AMERICA

americandude61
considering the democratic congress has tried to clean up the smashed “crate and barrel issues” that were caused from 6 years of republican rule and propaganda (the same we see now being tried to fool the American public AGAIN ugh…)
all the while the same people who smashed the Crate and Barrel issues…fighting the dems the entire two years as they try to clean it up.
same team
same tactics
9th year
throw these bums out.

Obama’s health care plan will provide affordable health care to anyone who wants it and that is a moral obligation that must be kept when he is president. I am confident he will keep that promise because it is personal for him.

Kathy said…”Palin is a vitriolic moron…”
Please! Let’s be honest.
For you gals out there panning Sarah Palin. I bet prior to her running for VP you would sing are far more realistic tune if she were a casual acquaintance of yours at the hair Salon.
You know you would gossip and brag about the amazing beautiful woman with 5 kids, handsome husband, ex-Mayor, and current Governor of entire State getting her hair done next to you!
Think about your thoughts and comments. Would you say these things to your own daughters or sons? Would you counsel your children this way if “they” were a Governor with higher ambitions?
The glee and pride would permeate every nook and cranny of your soul….be honest!
Sarah Palin is the real deal. You know it. Don’t be afraid of her just because she’s beautiful, smart, accomplished, and ambitious.
She is the kind of person you would love to have as a friend regardless of party affiliation

The paid posters for the Bush-McCain campaign are really out in force on this one, concentrating on “socialized medicine” themes which are absolute lies taken directly from the “talking points of the RNC. Truth is the Obama plan does allow you to stay with your current insurance and doctor, no matter how many lies they spew forth.

American.dude61– I never said that!

Now be honest with your selves:
(1) Has Congress and the Executive Branch been good stewards of public trust?
(2) Has the Press been “fair and balanced” in their critiques of this election?
NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST!!!
Vote – John McCain / Sarah Palin – Vote

Michael– How can you be so insensitive when it involves the death of someones mother despite whether you have their political views or what not?

Andrew: Obama is not advocating socialized medicine. The idea is to help people whose employers do not subsidize their health insurance and who cannot obtain or afford it on their own.
Or do you also consider Social Security socialism? What about taxpayer-funded schools, police, and fire protection? Medicare?
Obama is very smart to emphasize this issue. Millions of people live in fear of losing their employer-subsidized health insurance. Many would be unable to obtain private coverage because of their age or pre-existing conditions. And many who could obtain it couldn’t afford the premiums for themselves — let alone their children.
This is a fear that they face every time the Dow drops another 200 points, every time a bad employment report comes out, and every time their companies start new rounds of layoffs. I think this issue alone could be enough to convince many undecided voters to support Obama.

obama has no “plan” – Hillary did but – what – exactly is obama’s???
We already have one its called:
MediCAID – for Poor
MediCARE – for Seniors
Obama’s is a Fraud – his plan does NOT cover everyone – read about it.

Posted by: Kathy | Oct 4, 2008 5:01:05 PM
… I never said that!
You are right! My bad!
I meant to reply to Posted by: dl | Oct 4, 2008 4:54:07 PM

In the first 7 months of 2008 there were more people murdered in Chicago than there were American soldiers killed in Iraq. The Illinois state pension fund is $44 billion in debt, the worst in the country. Cook County (Chicago) sales tax is 10.25%, one of the highest in country. The Chicago school system one of the worst in country. This is the political “experience” that Obama brings from Chicago and says he’s going to “change” Washington politics? Someone please tell me how Obama is going to change Washington when he didn’t do a damn thing to improve Chicago.
Everyone in America knows that without a doubt the most vile, despicable, corrupt political organization in America is the Chicago Democratic machine and yet somehow they have tricked nearly half of the country into supporting their slick protégé for President of the United States. Throughout this election I keep thinking of George Carlin’s comment “Think of how stupid the average person is and then realize that half of them are stupider than that.”

Solution #2: End the Medicare Advantage programs.

Solution #4: Allow patients to know what their visit/procedure will cost PRIOR to the visit/procedure. (Allow comparison shopping.)

Solution #5: Encourage preventative health measures that reduce emergency room visits.

Obama and Biden have played so fast and loose with the truth during this campaign, because their adoring media hasn’t called them on it. I suspect “their chickens are coming home to roost” this week, however, to quote Rev. Wright, one of MANY Obama associates who clearly call his judgment into question. This guy will say anything to get elected without any demonstrable record. He’s the liberal “stealth candidate.” What Americans can–and should–judge him by are the associations he’s kept over the last few decades. He’s the radical, left-wing Trojan Horse!!!

Hey Tan eesha
Guess what!!! I am a white man and I am a republican!!! I have served my country in both wars in IRAQ. I have served with numerous men and women of color and do you know what? I personally know 5 who have died over there, who would have died for me and I for them so POND SCUM like you can live free and not have to worry about terrorist attacks. It is you sir and the rest of your sheet wearing cowardly buddies who are the ones who make this country a lesser nation. I wish I could get every one of you racist bastards and drop you off over there and bring the real heros back so that you would have a better understanding of how ignorant and simple-minded your beliefs are!!!
I must thank you Mr. hide behind my sheet, for have helped me make up my mind because if the majority of hate spewers like you would vote for McCain, I think I would rather be on the other side!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

Boy the paid republican trolls are out in abundance…nasty…negative…spreading hate and falsehoods… DESPERATION STINKS……
But…the tide is turning….I hear it on the street and with everyone I talk to to. The negative game is gonna kill McCain. No honor……wait til the Rolling Stone article comes out.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain/page/1
Obama/Biden -08

doc Sounds like you want to “deregulate” medical care.

McCain/Palin all the way!

Blah, Blah, Blah.
Sarah Palin is an idiot, and Americans dont trust here with their tax money, or this economy.
John Mccain’s doesnt even run his own campaign anymore.
Pathetic.
obama 08

** Universal healthcare system does not work. Look around the world. Obama is a socialist. The problem is, socialism does not work. **
There is a big difference between what Obama proposes and forced socialized medicine that you are comparing it with. And in case you missed it, we just socialized the financial sector to a great degree with the recent ‘bailout’ fiasco.

Why does everyone think that Republicans must “distance” themselves from President Bush? Although his approval rate is nothing to brag about it is twice that of the Democratic Congress. In a recent Rasmussen poll only 27% of DEMOCRATS approved of the job Nancy Pelosi is. That is less than George Bush’s total approval rating. Why doesn’t the media talk about how Democrats must distance themselves from Pelosi? Never mind. We all know why. This election most of the media has given up even pretending to be fair, impartial, objective, or professional. We have no journalists any more, just political hacks pretending to be journalists.

How bout that Washington outsider…
Sarah Palin?
Too bad she’s been in training with GOPAC since 2005…the “school that trains Republican candidates”. If you splice together video from the debate on Thursday and GW Bush’s from his campaigns…the scripts are almost identical. There is spliced screen video of the two of them…she’s Cheney with lipstick. I hope the Obama campaign uses the footage…SCARY!

I can’t because your prostitue of a mother smoked it all before she slept with your uncle!

** Why does everyone think that Republicans must “distance” themselves from President Bush? **
Perhaps because he is an idiot, and they are trying to get people to ignore the fact that McCain wants to continue the same policies regarding taxation, foreign policy and energy that have got us where we currently are.

Where is McCain and his intern Palin, when is his hand puppet going to walk & talk on her own. (She has to memorize the codes to the mass destruction weapons)….
scary,SCARY,SCARY—DIMENTIA!!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN 08

John McCain’s health care plan is no plan at all. No, It’s a disaster that will swell the ranks of the uninsured!
I liked Hillary Clinton’s health plan better than Obama’s but Obama’s plan is far better than John McCain’s.
Obama is 100% right that John McCain’s plan will cause employees to lose their employer provided health care plans. People simply do not realize how much protection the employer plan gives them from rate increases, etc. If you are forced to buy an individual plan it will cost 10 times more with half the benefits. Say you are over 45 years old it will be very expensive to buy an individual health care plan. That $2500.00 wouldn’t even come close. I had a neighbor who was over 50 & his plan was over $1000.00 per month for just him & his wife. The employer’s plan is a way better deal even if you do have to pay a small amount for the plan. If you get sick the employer provided plan can’t drop you like an individual plan can do.
Be very worried about John McCain’s plan. I am voting for Obama.

Dre you are a big black man with big dark lips.

The US has turned to socialism, including Bush and McCain, and it will be a while till we get back on track, so the socialist argument against Obama isn’t really a good argument if you think about it.

Funny how people say Palin is more experienced than Obama due to her being Governor of Alaska, yet fail to realize same argument can be made against McCain.
Given that, I’ll take an intelligent and gifted individual with extensive constitutional law background over a D- military man any day. If you look at the current wingnuts in the White House, you would think that neither one of them has even read the Constitution.

“Concerned American” Does that mean that you think Nancy Pelosi is an even bigger idiot? In 06 she said elect a Democratic Congress and we will stop the war and fix the economy. Sound familiar? She didn’t change things for the better and neither will Obama.

Hillary Clinton claimed, during the Democratic primaries, that Obama was simply not fit to be commander in chief on day one of a possible presidency. At the same time, Hillary Clinton said she was, and added that Republican John McCain was also qualified. Hillary Clinton said: “Look I have said Senator McCain will bring a lifetime of experience to the campaign, I will bring a lifetime of experience, and Senator Obama will bring a speech he made in 2002.”
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_clinton_vice/2008/03/09/79057.html

If Obama was against the war in Iraq, why did Hilary Clinton also accuse Obama on Meet the Press, during the Democratic primaries, of having kept quiet too long on Iraq, saying, “When he became a senator, he didn’t go to the floor of the Senate to condemn the war in Iraq for 18 months. He didn’t introduce legislation against the war in Iraq.”
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18106281

Only a few more days and the only sound we’ll hear is all you Republican trolls
crying like the immature babies you are when your Geezer and Bimbo get sent back to the nowhere’s they belong.

Good news! Watch Hannity’s America on Fox on Sunday at 9:00 ET. Sean is going to have a tell-all on obama’s long time association of unsavory characters including Rezko, Ayers, Khalidi, Auchi, and Jeremiah Wright who tells his congregation to sing “God damn America”.

Dee– I completely agree with you. McCain’s health care plan really isn’t a plan. It’s more like a coupon given to families to help pay for private health care insurance. He also wants to eliminate tax credits for companies who provide health benefits to their employees. This will force companies to stop providing health benefits to their employees. Obama’s plan will provide affordable government health insurance to those who want it and will also make sure that private health insurance companies do not discriminate against the sick.

OBama is a Christian? Who is his pastor? where does he worship?R his girls in Sunday School & how long have they been associated with God loving people. Who is behind this man from nowhere?(Hawaii excepted)Could we have some credible Americans explain what he has done, is doing & REALLY intends to do. I’m terrified of the Muslim connection (2nd largest denomination in the world & growing) What do they preach- suicide for Allah? Is this what
the future holds for our beloved country? God forbid. Thanks Pat

McCain will go down in history as having run the sleaziest campaign in history and still lost.
McCain will not be president because he has no judgment to lead. What scares me most is her choice for VP.

** Hillary Clinton claimed, during the Democratic primaries, that Obama was simply not fit to be commander in chief on day one of a possible presidency. At the same time, Hillary Clinton said she was **
yes, because she was in bed with Bill when he ‘got phone calls’.. quite the qualification. She can ‘claim’ all she wants.. it’s just her opinion at the time when she was doing anything she could to try and beat Obama.

Obama!!!! PLEASE you have no plan. Stop lying to the American People. You have no clue about Healthcare. You have no clue about the Economy and you dont have a clue about terrorists. You hang out with them and you want us to believe that you are the better candidate. We dont need you or Biden. Wake up America if you elect Obama all the terrorists will be hanging in Washington ready and willing to attack the American people.

** I’m terrified of the Muslim connection (2nd largest denomination in the world & growing) What do they preach- suicide for Allah? **
Your ignorance is showing.. It ‘preaches’ no such thing.. please climb back into your cave. Intolerance belongs to history and the time before Lincoln.

The house that Obama bought in 2005 in cooperation with Tony Rezko, his friend and campaign fund-raiser – a move Obama concedes was “boneheaded.” Rezko was convicted in June of 16 counts of corruption.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122005063234084813.html?mod=rss_opinion_main
Bill Ayers’ (an unrepentant terrorist – Google him – you’d be shocked!) position as a professor led to Ayers serving on two nonprofit boards with Barack Obama, who lived in the same neighborhood. Both Ayers and his wife, Bernardine Dohrn, hosted Alice Palmer’s meet-and-greet for Obama at their home in 1995.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/obama.bill.ayers.2.803163.html

Obama Universal healthcare is more in common with UK, Canada and other socialist oriented countries.
You wait in line for an emergency. Time is ticking, but you have to wait and wait mianwhile you hope and pray you might survive.
Its bad, the truth is we have the best Health care system in the world as it is, with few tweeks, it can be still better
But to reinvent the wheel like obama Healthcare will be a disaster. The only people who will benefit will be Bureacrats with more jobs and employment for them, while you lie there in misery pondering your fate.
McCain/ Palin 08.

John McCain is losing this election. I am a Republican that lost over $90,000 because of his political stunt with this bailout last week. My income this month is going to be low because of the markets failing. It is not all McCain’s fault, but his party…My Party…is in charge and must hold the bag.
However, John McCain will start his lies against Obama next week. I am ready to respond with my vote for Obama on Sunday. I am taking my entire family with me, which voted for Bush, to vote against John McCain.
John McCain treats Bush as if he is not his friend. GW Bush is John McCain’s best friend now. Send all the Republicans back home. The Republican party needs some time off, just like the Dems had for a few years. Let the Dems fix the problem and in 8-Years find someone new and smart and get them election (Boby Jindal) is my choice.

What does this verse in the Quran mean? 5:51
You, you those who believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians (as) guardians/patrons , some of them (are) guardians/patrons (of) some, and who follows them from you, so that he truly is from them, that God does not guide the nation, the unjust/oppressive.

Tan
Can’t talk to ya right now, your mom is giving me a lube job!
…get back 2 u in a few min ok?
WOW!!! SHE HAS SOME SKILLS!!!
Tell your uncle he trained her right!!!

Obama has also shown his disappointment in Rev. Jeremiah Wright who “preached” in 2003 that “The [United States] government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people.” Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, “The Audacity of Hope.” His association with Wright also indicates, to me, that Obama lacks good judgment.
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4443788

Dre where is the 40 ouncer and crack? Ask Obama mama. Finish your crack then blog.

On July 23, 2007, Obama said he would meet with leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea WITHOUT preconditions.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19933710/
Obama has since changed his stance saying that lower level talks should be conducted between the two countries first. However, Obama had the nerve to tell McCain during the first Presidential debate that former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger disagreed with McCain – that was NOT true. Check this out
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/27/kissinger.iran/index.html?eref=rss_politics

Fact Checking the Fact Checkers: The Washington Post Gets its Pinocchios Dead Wrong on Biden, Palin and Health Care
Gene Sperling
Full disclosure: I advise the Obama campaign and in that role had a chance to offer my two cents to Senator Biden’s team in preparation for last Thursday’s debate. But the facts below make clear that from any perspective, Senator Biden was precise and accurate in his statements Thursday night. In fact, while the Washington Post unfairly criticizes Joe Biden, they remain inexplicably silent over the repeated and significant omissions from Governor Palin and John McCain on their health care plan.
Let’s start at the beginning. The McCain health plan calls for completely eliminating the current tax exemption for employer-provided health care. Viewed alone, it would raise as much as $3.6 trillion in tax revenues. Yet, the McCain plan uses the revenues to provide a $5,000 tax credit for families and a $2,500 credit for singles as a replacement for the current exemption. The McCain team has consistently argued — and Sarah Palin last night reinforced — that their plan is “budget” or “revenue” neutral.
As with any revenue neutral tax reform, the McCain plan creates both a group that benefit and another group that would be worse off. While virtually every American would be better off with the Obama plan as opposed to the McCain plan, it is the case that there are some — such as young, healthy and currently uninsured workers — who would be better off under the McCain plan than under the status quo. The fact that a tax reform proposal leaves some people worse off should not, of course, automatically doom the idea. But it is fair to ask those making such proposals to be transparent and clear about its impact. Unfortunately, during the entire campaign the McCain-Palin ticket has gotten away with describing only the sugar in their plan and never the medicine. Even when pressed, Senator McCain tries to suggest that those paying higher taxes would just be the well-off with “Cadillac plans.” But the truth is that even in the short run, his plan would likely raise taxes on millions of middle class families who live in high-cost areas or who negotiated to give up higher wages for good insurance with low deductibles and co-payments. Virtually every analysis shows that over time, health inflation will move millions and millions more middle class families into the ‘tax increase’ category.
There is another downside to the McCain plan that even its serious advocates should acknowledge. If you end the tax exemption for workers for health care provided by their employer, it becomes less attractive for employers to keep providing it. Moreover, as young and healthy workers move into the individual market, the remaining pool for employers to cover becomes even more costly to insure and expensive for employers to cover. A study by several economists in Health Affairs found that 20 million people will be dropped under McCain’s plan. An earlier study from the Journal of Public Economics found that a plan similar to McCain’s would lead to 28 million people being dropped.
This is a real problem for two reasons. One, only in the idealized world of economic modeling would employers who drop coverage for workers make up the difference by instantly handing over big raises to those workers — especially in the midst of such a weak labor market. The 20-28 million who would see their employer provided coverage dropped would thus be left to try buying the $12,680 family health care (the national average) policy they previously had in the individual market with only a $5,000 tax credit.
Two, without the rock-solid proposals to eliminate discrimination due to illness that Obama has proposed, families who are dropped and who have a child or spouse with a pre-existing condition face a real danger of being shut-out from insurance altogether or be forced to choose coverage at extremely high premiums. Even experts who support proposals like McCain’s acknowledge that without strong and bold new reforms of our unforgiving, wasteful and discriminatory individual market for health care, the results for families with pre-existing conditions could be devastating.
In this context, let’s review what the candidates said on health care in Thursday’s debate. Governor Palin said McCain is “proposing a $5,000 tax credit for families so that they can get out there and they can purchase their own health care coverage.” This is the McCain Campaign’s consistent line. It gives anyone watching the clear impression that this credit is free. There is not a word of recognition that the new credit will be offset by eliminating the tax exemption for employer provided health care. Not a word of recognition that for at least 20 million families, this proposal will mean they no longer have the choice of receiving health care through their employer. Yet on these rather remarkable omissions — the Washington Post is silent.
So what did Joe Biden say? He first asked:
“Do you know how John McCain pays for his $5,000 tax credit you’re going to get, a family will get?”
In this initial sentence Biden acknowledged that families would get a tax credit under McCain. He simply asked what the McCain and Palin never wants to answer — how they propose to pay for it. Thus, Biden, unlike Palin, was willing to talk about both the benefits and pain of the McCain health proposal.
His second sentence was.
“He taxes as income every one of you out there, every one of you listening who has a health care plan through your employer.”
If the Washington Post or anyone can take issue with this sentence, I welcome their explanation. Biden clearly states that the tax is on those who have employer based coverage — and not everyone. This is unquestionably true.
His third sentence states,
“That’s how he raises $3.6 trillion, on your — taxing your health care benefit to give you a $5,000 plan, which his Web site points out will go straight to the insurance company.”
Again, Biden — unlike Palin — is painting the whole picture, acknowledging that families will get a tax credit while stating how McCain’s own team describes how it is paid for. And it is hard to see how anyone in McCain’s camp can complain here when his top economic advisor Doug Holtz Eakin is described as telling both the New York Times and McClatchy newspapers that “the government would save $3.6 trillion over the next decade by eliminating the tax break that currently goes to encourage employer-based health coverage” and that “[McCain's] tax measure would generate about $3.6 trillion over 10 years, which would pay for the tax credits, making the entire proposal budget-neutral.”
Biden goes on:
“And then you’re going to have to replace a $12,000 — that’s the average cost of the plan you get through your employer — it costs $12,000. You’re going to have to pay — replace a $12,000 plan, because 20 million of you are going to be dropped. Twenty million of you will be dropped.”
Contrary to the Washington Post’s erroneous claim that Biden “gave the impression that most Americans would be worse off financially as a result of Sen. John McCain’s health-care proposals,” Biden said was careful and clear in stating — twice — that he was not referring to all Americans but as he said, the “20 million who would be dropped.” Then he closed with:
“So you’re going to have to place — replace a $12,000 plan with a $5,000 check you just give to the insurance company. I call that the ‘Ultimate Bridge to Nowhere.’”
I am hard-pressed to see how anyone analyzing this statement could find it anything other than a highly precise and accurate statement that deserved praise for its accuracy.
The Washington Post oddly also writes that Biden should have somehow noted that a Tax Policy Center study shows that McCain’s plan would be a tax cut for middle class families on average. Yet, the Washington Post fact checkers fail to mention that this Tax Policy Center analysis assumes that the McCain plan costs $1.3 trillion over ten years — on top of the trillions they have already committed to their corporate tax and upper income tax cuts that they have not offered any serious way to pay for. The McCain camp has for months been arguing as mentioned above that it “generate about $3.6 trillion over 10 years” to claim as Palin did in front of 70 million people that the proposal is “budget neutral.” It is puzzling that the Washington Post would want to reward this ‘a have it both ways’ and “all gain-no pain” effort to flip-flop on their description of their health care plan by occasionally telling a reporter or someone doing a tax analysis that it is suddenly a tax cut that costs $1.3 trillion.
I do appreciate that the Post did state that “according to several studies, the McCain plan would lead to a modest increase in the number of people covered by health insurance in the first year but could lead to an increase in the number of uninsured over the long term” (emphasis added).
But to give Joe Biden any Pinocchios at all for such a narrowly-tailored, precise and factually accurate statement while giving the McCain-Palin team a free ride is baffling. They got the Pinocchios completely backwards in this case. As good fact checkers, I hope the Post will review their analysis and admit that they got this one wrong.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gene-sperling/fact-checking-the-fact-ch_b_131848.html

Tan, Obama’s mother’s grandmother is dead. His mother’s mother is alive and well in the U.S. I believe you are referring to an elderly relative of one of Obama’s father’s wives. That woman isn’t related to Obama, and since his father virtually abandoned him, he didn’t even meet his paternal relatives until he was an adult. I don’t think any of us is obligated to support extended family members with whom we didn’t grow up and whom we barely know.
As far as health care is concerned, I preferred Clinton’s plan. Obama’s is better than McCain’s — McCain simply doesn’t get it — but I want to be sure that it will make full health care available to people who lose their jobs. COBRA isn’t helpful, because the newly unemployed person must pay a high price for the continuation of the coverage, and if you have no income, that is obviously going to be difficult. We need no-cost coverage for the temporarily unemployed, such as other nations offer. That’s why I’d prefer a single-payer universal health-care system funded by taxes. I’d be happy to pay the money that my employer now deducts for health-care coverage in the form of taxes to get such a system, especially since I enjoyed a very good one while living in Europe.

Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman – yes, the very man who ran in the 2000 U.S. presidential election as the Democratic candidate for Vice President with presidential nominee Al Gore – has endorsed McCain. Lieberman said – “I think you know that both of the presidential candidates this year have talked about changing the culture of Washington, about breaking through the partisan gridlock and the special interests that are poisoning our politics, but, my friends, only one of them has actually done it. Only one of them has shown the courage and the capability to rise above the smallness of our politics to get big things done for our country and our people. And that one is John S. McCain. Sen. ….Barack Obama is a gifted and eloquent young man who I think can do great things for our country in the years ahead, but, my friends, eloquence is no substitute for a record, not in these tough times for America.”
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/02/lieberman.transcript/index.html

Manditory health care. Just can’t wait til I have funds garnished for my health “savings” only to be denied the treatment I need because I don’t “qualify” for it anyway. Thanks Barack/McCain.

dre get the 40 ouncer and some crack and blog when you are finished bro

An assessment by health care economists, in last months”s Health Affairs journal, projected McCain”s plan would lead 20 million people to lose EMPLOYER-SPONSORED insurance. BUT, 21 million people would gain coverage through the INDIVIDUAL MARKET.
Obama wants government to subsidize the cost of health coverage for those who might not be able to afford it on their own. He would require all but small businesses to make a “meaningful” payment for workers’ health coverage, OR contribute a percentage of payroll to the cost.
McCain proposes more patient control over care, and how health care dollars are spent. His tax credit could help people buy insurance through employers or directly from insurers licensed in any state.
The assessment published in Health Affairs found that McCain’s plan COULD lead to employers declining to offer coverage if they know workers can get it elsewhere. And that Obama’s requirement for employer contributions WOULD lead to JOB LOSSES or PAY CUTS.
The cost to government, in additional agencies and offices employing an undetermined number of employees, to implement/administer Obama’s health care plan could, possibly, exceed the cost of paying for everyone’s health care.
It seems more prudent to address the health care issue with a tax credit like McCain’s proposal, not necessarily identical, but a tax credit that could be administered by existing agencies to minimize implementation/administration costs.

*** Obama had the nerve to tell McCain during the first Presidential debate that former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger disagreed with McCain – that was NOT true. Check this out ***
Kissinger agreed that the meetings should be unconditional, which is the point. Bush and McCain have said over and over again they would not initiate unconditional talks. The ‘level’ at which talks take place is simply semantics and attempts to distract from the difference in stance between the two candidates. Obama would initiate talks unconditionally, and that my friends is the difference. You cannot negotiate if you refuse to talk.

This election is easy. Treat it like a horse race. You have bet on the same horse 8 straight races. He has lost those 8 races. Are you going to keep betting on the same losing horse?

ok Tan I’m back…
I’m taking a break while my neighbor is trying your mom out!!!
by the way can you bring over some more condoms? your mom going through them like a hot knife threw butter!!
Nothin like that strong republican work ethic!!!

Clintonites for McCain : Your kind of missing the point.
Twice after 8 years of GOP financial policies banks are failing.
Get it. There policies have twice caused banks to go bankrupt.
That’s the point.

Barack will do anything to win anything. he claims he is the NEW pol bull! I think Mccain should bring up everone who barack has associated with over the last 20 years. We can trust Barack who purchased his housr for $300,000 below market

Someone please give me a credible, accomplished, high-character individual that supports Obama?

** Obama wants government to subsidize the cost of health coverage for those who might not be able to afford it on their own. He would require all but small businesses to make a “meaningful” payment for workers’ health coverage, OR contribute a percentage of payroll to the cost. **
Lets not forget about people with pre-existing conditions, which under McCains plan would be out of luck. Or how Obamas plan would provide an estimated $140 billion annually to businesses providing health benefits to their employees, thereby increasing health coverage ever more.
All the while, Obamas plan would cost roughly the same, yet be more efficent, since it would cover more Americans than McCains plan would.
Obama has every right to call McCain on this, it is a vastly superior plan and would increase health coverage to All Americans, not just the wealthy.

It’s true Barack Obama and Ayers were never close, Obama was a chairman of a charity organization that Ayers attended. It’s like working with someone that doesn’t share the same views as you, it happens all the time!
That’s why my bumper sticker says “Smart people for Obama”.

** Someone please give me a credible, accomplished, high-character individual that supports Obama? **
Are you incapable at looking at the issues and making up your own mind, or do you always just do what others tell you?

JOHN MCCAIN HAS ONCE AGAIN REACHED A NEW LOW IN HIS OBSESSION TO BE PRESIDENT NO MATTER WHAT. HE IS THE MOST UN-AMERICAN NOMINEE SINCE GEORGE BUSH.MCCAIN HAS SOLD HIS SOUL 10 TIMES OVER.

WTF,
I read through all these posts, it sounded like a bunch of sick nuts want to have FREE government hand-out health care. Isn’t it called Medicare/Medicaid?
If you happen to be working (most people do), then your employers are providing these services to you with some DEDUCTIONS to keep you from abuse the system.
So, what is so great about Obama’s health care beside it has a Socialist tone and everyone (except the working ones) screams for the FREE DRUGS!
What a bunch of crack heads!
Just the kind of company Obama keeps!

Let’s get this straight. you will send my “tax break” to the large insurance company and then TAX my small-business employer for struggling to provide its employees with medical benefits?
No Thanks!
That stinks!
How about giving the tax break to small bussiness that enploy 250 (or some other relative number) or fewer enployees who provide a good level of insurance benefits to their employees? Seems liek that is more pro small business and would help employees pay for thier insurance. . .

If you believe the federal government is to blame, or even partly to blame, for the financial crisis, ask yourself if you really want that same federal government in charge of your health care.
The money involved in the Wall Street meltdown is peanuts compared to the money involved in the nation’s health care year after year. Do you trust the federal government to avoid corruption when there’s that much money at stake?

Hey, if anyone wants to know how government runs their health care program look at New York. It’s breaking it’s back in costs and it is completely festered with fraud. No politician here has the cajones enough to take on the entitlement program because then they are accused of ‘hurting children and elderly.’ No one is looking to hurt the children or elderly but they are tired of paying for those who have figured out how to work the system.

Hey langz why is everyone who is not for Obama a racist? The entire media is pro Obama. Will whites riot if Obama wins? Why are 97% of blacks voting for Obama? Are they racist? If all white folks did not vote for Obama then he wouldn’t have a chance. Mccain will win and everone will says it was because obama was black. I think 975 of whites should vote for their own color just like the blacks are.

McCain Supporters: You Republican “PAID” spokespersons are doing your darn best to prove something is a lie when you know it is not. But, more importantly, Obama’s plan is a “MUCH” better one then the corporate controlled and strictly for profit solution that McCain is pushing. An almost exact plan to what BUSH pushed during his term in office. McCain/Bush, Bush/McCain. What is different here? Do we, the American people want another Bush/McCain plan. NOT! Get a clue Corporate Republicans, “THE PARTY IS OVER”. Bush and his thugs are leaving and McCain with Bushes Thugs are not coming back in. Get used to the power of the people, by the people and for the people. Not Corporate controlled government but “PEOPLE” controlled government that is fair, balanced, truthful and caring. Everybody wins with a government controlled by the people. Only the few win when Corporations pull the strings of McCain as Bushes has been. NO MORE! Your out of there Corporatist Republicans! YOUR OUT OF THERE! THE PART IS OVER!

Obama brother somewhere in desolate Kenya barely surviving with less than $1/day and his big brother Obama would not extend him a simple hand.
Charity begins at home among your own family members first.
SO all the empty talk that Obama is somehow interested in my health and health coverage is an excuse so that he may just be elected. It’s as empty as his resume.
McCain/ Palin 08

Warren Buffet is for Obama.
Hmmm Is that credible enough?

Hey Margaret, get your head out of you *** and stop watching Fox news. He never said that!!!!
All you people deserve to lose your jobs and healthcare, then try to buy coverage uner McCain’s plan. GOOD luck, maybe you’ll need a loan to but it! OH WAIT, no more loans, thanks to McCain’ s deregulations and Bush unfit to be even a dog catcher.
All the McCain voters DESERVE what you get if he wins (which he won’t)

Use to read the posts here… but now they are unreadable.
Hey ABC, how about putting in a reasonably moderated blog as well? Where we don’t have to read all this stupidity and little minded fear tactics.

Was it not the “great” Republican, Ronald Reagan that stated, “Are you better off (now) than you were four years ago? Is there more or less unemployment…than there was four years ago?” My question is “Are you better off now than you were eight years ago?” Hmmm, I think NOT!
Enough!

“If you buy it on your own, your employer will have to pay you…”
There’s NO WAY employers will follow this. They won’t pay more if you buy your own, even if it’s the law. They’ll just reduce the salary to compensate. I’m an employer, and if I wanted to save money, that’s the first thing I’d think of.

What about associations with multiple questionable characters? Ayers, Rezko, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Rev. Michael Pfleger….

My Mother died of Ovarian Cancer, and back in November I had heard the bOh Mother died of Ovarian Cancer as well. I thought to myself. Wow he is going to make a bid deal about this, and we would have all sorts of support for this disease! However, this is the first I am hearing about it from him, and ONLY because he is desperate and will use it for Political gain. That makes me sick! My Mother too did not have insurance, had she had it they may or may not have found it early. Ovarian cancer is rarely found in time to cure it. Gilda Radner died from this disease. When my Mother found out she had it, she signed up with the state and they gave her a card and she got the medical care that she needed, but it was too late for her. Obama’s Mother was not even in the States when she developed the disease. She spent most of her years out of the country. That was her choice. Had she stayed here, she could have found a job that would have given her benefits, with insurance. This is pathetic bHo. Using your Poor Mother for political gain. Shame on you!

If you are voting for McCain, you are wasting your time on election day. Obama is way ahead even in the most conservative polls. Everyone has already made up their mind. It won’t get any better for McCain. Stay home and catch up on your reading, it will be more worthwhile.

Obamas Crazy Crew can promise the sun. Yeah right. Check out PitbullPalin.org to show your vote.

AApology to true Muslims whatever their ccreed It’s the terrorist believers we ffear but who knows WHAT kind of Muslim aa man is who sits under hate preaching ffor years but never heard it -plus the other radicals he met & applauded. TThis is a country founded on Christian
principles.To say “some of my best friends are black” is too trite. I app-lauded the Dems, happy for a black candidate & a woman running, before they went off the deep end & I heard the
negatives. Sarah’s a smart, honest God fearing lady

** years of experience as a military leader **
You mean that year he lead a training squadron in Florida before becoming the Navy liaison to the senate?

Obama is a radical! His pastor, his friend Rezko, his buddy Ayers, his buddy Franklin Raines, his campaign worker Johnson and his ugly wife! His 143 days at work, his Acorn community organizing vote fraud…this guy has a list a mile long and now he adds so many lying ads on tv to choke a horse! Obama can tell his lies to the blacks because they are too stupid to read a paper and too eager to get a black in the WhiteHouse so they can get every freebie out there…that is all the blacks ever do ..climb the welfare ladder!! Right now Obama has his blacks out there picking up every welfare bum, drunk and homeless he can find to register to vote…even stealing names off headstones! If he wins the election it will be a fraud and by March the truth will surface and he will be thrown out of office in such disgrace that no other black will EVER get the White House again…..let alone a Senate seat!!

Here is ANOTHER Obama’s deception to un-informed American Voters.
“But it’s worth repeating the basic accusation and why it is so patently untrue.
Biden and Obama want to leave voters with the impression that they are going to get a $5,000 tax credit from McCain even though health insurance costs $12,000 per family, on average. Where’s the additional $7,000 going to come from?
Here’s how it would really work.
Suppose a worker gets $50,000 in cash wages and $12,000 in health insurance.
Right now, he pays federal income taxes on the wages but not the health insurance. Let’s assume, for reasons of simplicity, that the tax rate he is paying is a flat 25% on his wages. He therefore pays $12,500 in federal income taxes. His after-tax, after-health-care income is $37,500.
Now, under the McCain plan, his employer keeps paying the premium, which is now counted as income to the worker. He therefore pays federal income taxes on $62,000, or $15,500.
But he also gets a tax credit of $5,000 for health insurance, which means that, all in all, he owes $10,500 in federal taxes, or $2,000 less than he does today. His after-tax, after-health-care income is $39,500.
If the worker decides to buy his insurance in the open market instead of through the employer, the result will be the same. His employer is indifferent to how he pays his worker as long as total costs are the same. So instead of paying premiums, the employer pays his worker $62,000 in cash wages and does not pay anything toward insurance. The worker again owes $15,500 in taxes on this compensation, and he also must buy health insurance costing $12,000. So, his pre-tax income is $62,000, he owes $12,000 in health insurance premiums, and he owes $10,500 in federal taxes (after claiming his credit). His after-tax, after-health-care income is the same: $39,500 ($62,000 – $12,000 – $10,500), or $2,000 more than today.”

—((( my family has state run health insurance because I lost my job. You can’t go to you own doctor because they don’t take it and there’s a cap on how much you can spend in a year. I will get another insurance when I am employed again and don’t want the Federal government telling me everything I can do )))—
Then you are one of the people who should be voting Obama! His plan does not mandate what doctors you see, and if you have any pre-existing conditions, it is doubtful that you will be able to get insurance otherwise. Plus, his plan is completely optional, so you can take it or leave it. As for Government telling you what you can or cannot do, isn’t that McCains stand on womans rights in relationship to abortion?

bubba you are such a dipsh**. They never finished his sentence and the following. Just as you are doing. The fundamentals are the working people which is exactly what he said. I’ve watched this everyday since around March. When the dems didn’t select Hillary I knew I would vote the party I had always voted for in the past. That being republican and there is no comparison between Bush and McCain thank you very much.

Harvard Grad IT aint right. Wow its personal to a guy who doesnt even claim his mothers race. Go figure. He is half white but doesnt claim to be, but now crying about his mom dying of o cancer. Just goes to show he will use his dead mother to get votes.

Let’s face the facts. Palin is a bubbling idiot and John McCain lost his character in the race for the Whitehouse, but probably long long before since he supported Bush in destroying America in every way.
Sarah is good at memorizing lines, but I rather have my next door neighor as president than a woman who promotes aerial hunting of bears and wolfs…the cruelest act on a defenseless animal.
I would love to see her return to Alaska and get raped by one of the men in her fantastic state (number one in the nation for rapes and murder by spouses) and have to pay for the rape kit.
Are Americans so shallow that they actually want someone so low to be in the white house?
This woman fired the trooper in the state that was working to help women of domestic violence.
Sarah Palin has NO COMPASSION…not even for her children of which she should have THEM as a priority. She is a great EGOmaniac and shallow as hell!
OBAMA 08

I am sick and tired of both candidates pulling out sad stories about health care. Every family has a story. We do not need to keep hearing it as a pitch for our vote. If they are going to see the changes indicated then it would mean pulling the entire industry under the cover of the govt. We now know how well they handle issues. Think for a minute how big this problem is. First we have for profit organizations and non profit. Start with medical schools, them move on hospitals, nursing homes, rehabilitation centers, drug mfg, drug stores, doctors, emergency providers, etc. The problem is beyond our imagination. We can vote for saviors but over the next 8 years little if any
real steps to reshape the industry will not happen.

If everyone thinks social health care is so bad, why does congress and the military
have gov. ran health care.Must be pretty good.At least you are treated for your illnesses not dropped from the system.

55Mariposa: Recent surveys and discussions with nationalized health programs in other countries have shown the average patient has been happy with the plans they have and are generally suprised that the U.S. has no such plan. They think it rather absurd and unfair the some have a plan so many do not. In regards to the VA hospitals, I believe that both McCain and Bush have rejected and voted no on most plans that would have made improvements for our Veterans returning from the War. Now try to tell me why McCain has flip-flopped on his not support for a government managed and funded program for our Veterans and how that will reflect into his decision to help you and I with our health plan needs. In other words, if there is no profits for the Big Corporate supporters of his campagn then there won’t be a plan for you and I. It is all about profits for the rich and paying through the nose for you and I. NO ON MCCAINS HEALTH PLAN…… Yes for Obama’s

Hey Scoob. That is funny. Obama is only ahead by a small margin. And with the margin of error they are tied. The ONLY reason Obama is ahead is because the MSM has been too afraid to tell the truth for fear they would be deemed racists. Remember Imus? The info came out during the primaries, but not many people were paying attention to the news stories then, because the election was too far off. NOW they are paying very close attention, and since Sarah, who is now respected after the debates has brought to the attention the questionable ties that Obama has. The MSM will now be all over this, investigating EVERYTHING. Next week you will see the polls change in a different direction, that is if Obama does not continue to cheat as he has been. Anyone that has done any research on this man cannot posssibly vote for him. It would be unAmerican and un Patriotic to vote for a liar, and hater like obama. As far as the Rev Wright he is not even a Christian. Black liberation theology = hate whitey! Audacity of Crap! That speach was full of hate and obama wrote a book based on that. Has anyone even bothered to read that speach? I have and its hateful. Just like wright and obama!

Seriously – we just printed 700BILLION dollars to give the banks – and anyone really thinks that either one of these morons is going to get to implement a healthcare plan? Seriously? Our country is bankrupt – our government is a sham. There isn’t anything moral about either plan. I’ve been a republican my entire life and I couldn’t be any more ashamed of my party. And I won’t be voting for McCain Palin but you can bet I won’t be voting for Obama Biden either. I work 60 hours a week and my husband works full-time and together we live a decent middle-class life and at the end of every two weeks after paying bills, daycare, health insurance, groceries, and gas for two ten year old cars there is precious little money left. And we keep working hoping that someday that won’t be so. But apparently the only reason the democrats want me to work is so they can take a little bit more of my paycheck so that they can give it to the “people” to spend in a way that is way more appropriate and more “moral” than how I am spending it I guess. It’s not just thieving when the Republicans do it.

IF you think McCain/Palin is the answer then you need to go ahead and learn Chinese or Indian, because that’s where your job is headed…IF the crisis in the US Markets, (Auto, Financial, and Housing) don’t get corrected, then where do you think your job is going to GO….THINK about your pocket book…The last 8 yrs is proof. McCain is a part of the problem not the solution…And all this b/s is going to be just that if you don’t get out and vote on November 04…Republicans win because they get out, stand in line and vote…IF you want to win/change go VOTE…

After 26 years in Washington, NOW John McCain expects us to believe that he can change it, that’s SO FUNNY!!! Maybe John McCain, who is suffering from Alzheimer’s, doesn’t remember that he, and the Republican party have been running Washington for the past 8 years, that EVERYTHING that is going wrong in this country, STARTED with the republicans 8 years ago!! Maybe John McCain has forgotten that the republicans actually inherited a balanced budget from Bill Clinton, and NOW after 8 disastrous years of GEORGE BUSH, our economy is in crisis: millions of jobs lost, people losing their homes, people struggling everyday just to afford gas, and food!! We are in a war in Iraq which SHOULD NEVER have happened, and we are spending billions of dollars a month of our money rebuilding Iraq because GEORGE BUSH, and John McCain, his strongest cheerleader, invaded Iraq FOR NOTHING, and destroyed it, AND got 4000 of our soldiers killed for NOTHING!!! ALL THE DISASTER WE ARE FACING IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW HAPPENED WITH THE REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE, THEY HAVE RUINED THIS COUNTRY’S ECONOMY, SENT 4000 SOLDIERS TO DIE IN IRAQ FOR A WAR BASED ON LIES!! 4000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS LOST THEIR LIVES!!! IT IS JOHN McCain’s PARTY, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS OF DISASTERS THIS COUNTRY HAS FACED!!!!! – OBAMA 2008 & 2012

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But he also gets a tax credit of $5,000 for health insurance,
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You are mixing individual tax payers and family (married filing jointly) pretty liberally there! Using your example, individuals would only receive a $2,500 tax credit, and would wind up paying more.
And individuals who lose coverage and are forced to get it without employer assistance will pay significantly more for that coverage, if they can even get it. Apparently you have never tried to get coverage outside work.

Interesting insults directed at me, but nothing to contradict what I wrote.
Anyway, to my detractors – I’m not trying to deregulate anything and I’m an independant. Read your insult again, then search through the entire blog and read all my posts. If you care to apologize, fine, but it unnecessary.
The point is that for ANY meaningful health care reform to pass it will require working together. There are many aspects that most of us will agree upon and those should be where we start.

mfmros: Give us the fair and accurate statistics and sources of your information about the Canadian Health program. Make sure that is not from one source, such Faux news or Rush Limpbaugh. Unless you can do so, fairly and accurately then you need to go back to school with your so-called education that you claim to have and get a real education.

After 26 years in Washington, NOW John McCain expects us to believe that he can change it, that’s SO FUNNY!!! Maybe John McCain, who is suffering from Alzheimer’s, doesn’t remember that he, and the Republican party have been running Washington for the past 8 years, that EVERYTHING that is going wrong in this country, STARTED with the republicans 8 years ago!! Maybe John McCain has forgotten that the republicans actually inherited a balanced budget from Bill Clinton, and NOW after 8 disastrous years of GEORGE BUSH, our economy is in crisis: millions of jobs lost, people losing their homes, people struggling everyday just to afford gas, and food!! We are in a war in Iraq which SHOULD NEVER have happened, and we are spending billions of dollars a month of our money rebuilding Iraq because GEORGE BUSH, and John McCain, his strongest cheerleader, invaded Iraq FOR NOTHING, and destroyed it, AND got 4000 of our soldiers killed for NOTHING!!! ALL THE DISASTER WE ARE FACING IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW HAPPENED WITH THE REPUBLICANS IN CHARGE, THEY HAVE RUINED THIS COUNTRY’S ECONOMY, SENT 4000 SOLDIERS TO DIE IN IRAQ FOR A WAR BASED ON LIES!! 4000 AMERICAN SOLDIERS LOST THEIR LIVES!!! IT IS JOHN McCain’s PARTY, THE REPUBLICAN PARTY, WHO ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS OF DISASTERS THIS COUNTRY HAS FACED!!!!! – OBAMA 2008 & 2012

Whats great is Obama will say or do anything to get a vote. My mommy died of cancer waaaaa. Even in his b.s book he denounced his mothers race. His pastor for the last 20 years denounced his mothers race. Dont be fulled by this guy he is full of S(&*

–( Once he’s in we’re no longer necessary to him. )–
Please visit http://thomas.loc.gov/
And see what legislation Obama has introduced, and for whom.. then for grins, look at what McCain has introduced, and for whom. After that, you come back and tell me who favors who, ok?

if you read the posts here regularly you will see the paid mccain trolls are at it again, pushing this story as somehow obama being radical… thats just an amazing spin on the dead-in-the-tracks mccain health care plan which will give the richest people in the medical industry continued power to dictate outrageous health care prices and profits at taxpayer expense… obamas plan is light years more evolved than mccains… it even lets you keep your current plan with NO CHANGES if you want to!! … so the only thing it can do is BENEFIT those who have poor, little or NO health care! wake up america, mccain and palin are more of the same bullies with the same old plans of keeping the rich rich at the expense of the less fortunate

“Income redistribution” has been going on full force during the Bush years—it has been redistributed from us (middle class) to the ultra wealthy.

McCain nominates a woman for VP that does not pay her taxes.

dlboggan: All you have to do, my uninformed friend is: GOOGLE..CANADIAN HEALTH CARE SYSTEM AND READ IT FOR YOUR SELF…THE LEGAL SYSTEM HAS CHALLENGED EVEN THE WAITING PERIODS FOR CARE THAT THREATENS THE LIFE OF THE PATIENT! SOMETIMES YOU IDIOTS HAVE TO RESEARCH YOUR INFO BEFORE YOU SHOOT YOUR MOUTHS OFF!

Hey “NEEDED INFO”.. that spam e-mail has been going around since the beginning of the campaign.. it originally had the names of Clinton and Obama, and then got switched to McCain after Clinton lost!
It’s so false, it’s even printed verbatim on SNOPES!!!!
Please see:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp
Posting it just makes you look silly, and completely ignorant of reality.

if mccain is such a maverick, why has he voted with the Worst President Ever over 90% of the time!!?… can someone show me ONE important progressive vote that mccain went with the democrats on, or rebelled against his party that was actually FOR the american people?… bomb iran, no to solar or wind energy, drill drill drill…. i say NO NO NO!

Oh Oh… Are we EXPOSING the ONE?

The REAL problem with this society is that people just take Obama’s word for it instead of using the internet to research details of a MAJOR promise that could threaten their lives! If they researched ACORN SCANDALS or Rezko, or Bill Ayers, or Franlin Raines…try it…you will never vote for Obama is you read the never ending garbage that Obama carries in his dossier!

hmn – socialized medicine the end of america? i bet you supported socialized wall street!… LMAO

Why are there no living relatives of Hussein Barak Obama that have been interviewed? His grandmother doesn’t speak English. You see Palins family. Hussein only has Michell, Gorilla, and two kids. Where does he come from? Who is he? He was unwanted and he and his wife will take it out on the white Americans if they would have the power to do so. They are a scary couple striving to pay back the whities for slaverey.

Concerned American: I do support Obama and am proud of it. I am an American who cares enough about my Country, which is supposed to be for the people, by the people and of the people and not about International Corporatists, neocons and people who want to control what you think, do, buy or work at. OBAMA is for the Country and the people. McCain is corporate and neocon sponsored, as exhibited by his extreme use of former corporatists and lobbyists managing and advising his campaign. Sarah Palin is being heavily managed and controlled by former Bush administration people.
It’s true: Seven top McCain officials were lobbyists, though the campaign stresses that none is currently registered to lobby Congress:
• One: Campaign manager Rick Davis is a major telecommunications lobbyist.
• Two: Senior foreign policy adviser Randy Scheunemann recently faced scrutiny over his foreign lobbying on behalf of the Republic of Georgia, which has been embroiled in a military conflict with Russia.
• Three: Senior adviser Charlie Black was a foreign lobbyist for dictators in Zaire and Angola in the 1980s, fodder for the liberal group MoveOn.org.
One of the group’s recent ads charged, “Charlie Black said he didn’t do anything wrong. John McCain should tell Black he did. Call John McCain and tell him to fire Charlie Black.”
• Four: Frank Donatelli, the Republican National Committee’s liaison to the McCain campaign, has had clients including Exxon Mobil.
• Five: Economic adviser Nancy Pfotenhauer has lobbied for corporate giants like Koch Industries.
“Both John McCain and Sarah Palin have challenged special interests, challenged their own party. That’s the test of courage,” Pfotenhauer has said.
• The final two lobbyists are McCain’s congressional liaison, John Green, and national finance Co-chairman Wayne Berman. They both lobbied for Fannie Mae, the troubled mortgage giant.
And let’s not forget Carly Fiorina, McCain’s Financial advisor and HP’s former CEO who was fired for poor performance but still walked away with a multi-million golden parachute. Did she not say that the Palin/McCain camp could never run a corporation?

The following is from Michael Moore…
“Moore noted that Clinton and Obama have received more campaign contributions from healthcare interests than any other presidential candidates, including all those who ran for the Republican nomination. Healthcare interests “know which way the wind is blowing” and believe the next president will be a Democrat, Moore said.”
So if you all think Obama has your best interest at heart, you might want to pony up a cool million or two…because money talks, in politics.
Obama has accepted money from Insurance companies since his days as a State Senator. I had a link to a story out of a Boston newspaper, but it was removed before I got it. That says something.

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Socialized medical care will be the end of America
!*!*!*!*!
Well hun, it sure is a good thing that nobody is suggesting that, huh? Please get your facts straight dear, you are making yourself look silly!

McCain is not Bush..so you can try using that till you are blue! And Obama’s tax plan for 95% is a lie too! 40% of population DOES NOT PAY TAXES SO THERE IS NO WAY THE REST WILL GET A TAX BREAK BECAUSE NOT ENOUGH REVENUE WILL BE GENERATED BY THE REST TO PAY FOR HIS “WEALTH REDISTRUBUTION” PROGRAMS! ANYONE WHO THINKS HE CAN IS A DUMBSKULL!!

mfmros: We Democrats, progressives and proud liberals have researched the Republican propaganda machines lies about Obama and have found them false, miss-leading and loaded insinuations without real facts. Guilt by association is not actual guilt. It proves nothing and only re-enforces the progressive movement to push the liars, cheaters and selfish neocons out of our government. The party is over, my neocon friend. Get used to it. Power to the people, not the few and greedy ones.

Claim: Obama wants to Socialize Health Care
Fact: False
Reality:
The two candidates health care plans differ significantly. McCains plan primarily focuses on deregulation to stimulate competition between the insurance providers, reforming tax codes, and providing a fixed credit to all families. Obama wants to create a national health plan that would make insurance available to all Americans, particularly those who are currently unable to obtain insurance, and with guaranteed eligibility. It is not a mandatory system, as many have mistaken, and is completely voluntary, so individuals who already have existing health insurance do not need to participate unless they want to. Obama also calls for health care tax credits, favoring the low and middle class, as well as incentives to increase efficiency and quality in the health care industry. The two plans, while comparable in cost, differ in year to year patterns, however based on analysis by the Economic Policy Institute, Obamas plan outperforms McCains plan in coverage and efficiency.
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126
In a detailed analysis between the two plans, the Wall Street Journal comes to the same conclusion as the EPI, and has additionally said:
“Given the current inefficiencies in our system, the impact of the Obama plan will be profound. Besides the $2,500 savings in medical costs for the typical family, according to our research annual business-sector costs will fall by about $140 billion. Our figures suggest that decreasing employer costs by this amount will result in the expansion of employer-provided health insurance to 10 million previously uninsured people”.
When looking at the McCain plan, they state:
“In contrast, Sen. McCain, who constantly repeats his no-new-taxes promise on the campaign trail, proposes a big tax hike as the solution to our health-care crisis. His plan would raise taxes on workers who receive health benefits, with the idea of encouraging their employers to drop coverage. A study conducted by University of Michigan economist Tom Buchmueller and colleagues published in the journal Health Affairs suggests that the McCain tax hike will lead employers to drop coverage for over 20 million Americans”.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122152292213639569.html
For a side-by-side list of both plans, please see the following:
http://www.health08.org/FINAL%202%20CANDIDATES%20Side-By-Side%20July%2022.pdf

To NEEDED INFO:
Here is you needed info regarding the outright lies you posted:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp

Here’s more to see what O’Bambi will do for you.
INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
>
> Spread the word…..
>
> This is something you should be
> aware of so you don’t get blind-sided.
> This is really going to catch a lot
> of families off guard. It should
> make you worry.
>
> Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
>
> CAPITAL GAINS TAX
>
> MCCAIN
> 0% on home sales up to $500,000
> per home (couples) McCain does not
> propose any change in existing
> home sales income tax.
>
> OBAMA
> 28% on profit from ALL home sales
>
> How does this affect you?
> If you sell your home and make a profit, you
> will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
> If you are heading toward retirement
> and would like to down-size your
> home or move into a retirement
> community, 28% of the money you
> make from your home will go to taxes. This
> proposal will adversely affect the
> elderly who are counting on the income
> from their homes as part of their retirement income.
>
> DIVIDEND TAX
>
> MCCAIN 15% (no change)
>
> OBAMA 39.6%
>
> How will this affect you?
> If you have any money invested in stock
> market, IRA, mutual funds,
> college funds, life insurance, retirement
> accounts, or anything that pays
> or reinvests dividends, you will now
> be paying nearly 4 0% of the money
> earned on taxes if Obama become president.
> The experts predict that ‘higher
> tax rates on dividends and capital gains
> would crash the stock market yet
> do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
>
> INCOME TAX
>
> MCCAIN (no changes)
>
> Single making 30K – tax $4,500
> Single making 50K – tax $12,500
> Single making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 60K- tax $9,000
> Married making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 125K – tax $31,250
>
> OBAMA
> (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
> Single making 30K – tax $8,400
> Single making 50K – tax $14,000
> Single making 75K – tax $23,250
> Married making 60K – tax $16,800
> Married making 75K – tax $21,000
> Married making 125K – tax $38,750
>
> Under Obama your taxes will
> more than double!
> How does this affect you? No explanation
> needed. This is pretty
> straight forward.
>
> INHERITANCE TAX
>
> MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
>
> OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
>
> How does this affect you? Many families
> have lost businesses,
> farms and ranches, and homes
> that have
> been in their families
> for generations because they could not
> afford the inheritance tax.
> Those willing their assets to loved
> ones will not only lose them tothese taxes.
>
> NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
>
> * New government taxes proposed on
> homes that are more than
> 2400 square feet
>
> * New gasoline taxes (as if
> gas weren’t high enough already)
>
> * New taxes on natural resources
> consumption (heating
> gas, water, electricity)
>
> * New taxes on retirement accounts
> and last but not least….
>
> * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
> so we can receive the same
> level of medical care as other
> third-world countries!!!

Here’s more to see what O’Bambi will do for you.
INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
>
> Spread the word…..
>
> This is something you should be
> aware of so you don’t get blind-sided.
> This is really going to catch a lot
> of families off guard. It should
> make you worry.
>
> Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
>
> CAPITAL GAINS TAX
>
> MCCAIN
> 0% on home sales up to $500,000
> per home (couples) McCain does not
> propose any change in existing
> home sales income tax.
>
> OBAMA
> 28% on profit from ALL home sales
>
> How does this affect you?
> If you sell your home and make a profit, you
> will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
> If you are heading toward retirement
> and would like to down-size your
> home or move into a retirement
> community, 28% of the money you
> make from your home will go to taxes. This
> proposal will adversely affect the
> elderly who are counting on the income
> from their homes as part of their retirement income.
>
> DIVIDEND TAX
>
> MCCAIN 15% (no change)
>
> OBAMA 39.6%
>
> How will this affect you?
> If you have any money invested in stock
> market, IRA, mutual funds,
> college funds, life insurance, retirement
> accounts, or anything that pays
> or reinvests dividends, you will now
> be paying nearly 4 0% of the money
> earned on taxes if Obama become president.
> The experts predict that ‘higher
> tax rates on dividends and capital gains
> would crash the stock market yet
> do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
>
> INCOME TAX
>
> MCCAIN (no changes)
>
> Single making 30K – tax $4,500
> Single making 50K – tax $12,500
> Single making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 60K- tax $9,000
> Married making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 125K – tax $31,250
>
> OBAMA
> (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
> Single making 30K – tax $8,400
> Single making 50K – tax $14,000
> Single making 75K – tax $23,250
> Married making 60K – tax $16,800
> Married making 75K – tax $21,000
> Married making 125K – tax $38,750
>
> Under Obama your taxes will
> more than double!
> How does this affect you? No explanation
> needed. This is pretty
> straight forward.
>
> INHERITANCE TAX
>
> MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
>
> OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
>
> How does this affect you? Many families
> have lost businesses,
> farms and ranches, and homes
> that have
> been in their families
> for generations because they could not
> afford the inheritance tax.
> Those willing their assets to loved
> ones will not only lose them tothese taxes.
>
> NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
>
> * New government taxes proposed on
> homes that are more than
> 2400 square feet
>
> * New gasoline taxes (as if
> gas weren’t high enough already)
>
> * New taxes on natural resources
> consumption (heating
> gas, water, electricity)
>
> * New taxes on retirement accounts
> and last but not least….
>
> * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
> so we can receive the same
> level of medical care as other
> third-world countries!!!

When you are thinking of pulling the lever for the ‘crat socialist healthcare plan, just think of your doctor’s waiting room in terms of your motor vehicle department or tax collector’s office. Take a number.

doc My comment about deregulation was not meant as an insult. It was a pun on the comment Biden made about McCain deregulating health care.
I actually agree with much that you have written.

Obama said he would outlaw “insurance company discrimination against people with pre-existing conditions.” What McCain will do for these people? Insurance companies now do not want to sell insurance for these sick people or they will charge an astronomic price! Under McCain’s health care plan, do you think these people will be covered? If not how they can handle the costs? I, myself, prefer Obama’s plan. If you choose to protect the insurance companies rather than these poor people, choose McCain’s. Good luck!

It’s a well documented fact that republicans are suffering from penis envy. Ha ha ha!
Don’t hate on Obama. Just buy a penis pump and you will be alright..LMBAO!

mfmros is advocating lies. How anti-American of you.

The lies and racism on this posting is disgusting! Clintonites for McCain you need to check your facts! The quote from the Sept/Oct issue of “Contingencies” is “Opening up
the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition,
as we have done over the last decade in banking, would
provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by
the worst excesses of state-based regulation.” i.e De-regulation! It’s sure has work well in banking – NOT!

Liz..you are such an idiot…must be an Obama supporter or paid blogger…I don’t lie…I am a democrat who has not bought into the Obama lies nor have I drank any kool-aid…not to mention very intelligent!! Can’t say that much for you!!

This is the same ‘crat party that has supporters who would all but love to have Chinese-style population controls as they say that humans have detrimental “carbon footprints”. When you are leaning toward pulling the lever for the ‘crat ticket, just remember the movie “Soylent Green” with the voluntary suicide centers. Yea, those tea biscuits you’ll be eating under a democrat regime might be made from aborted fetuses! DNC=the party of death!

Since 1961, lobbyists for the AMA and huge healthcare conglomerates have produced the slickest bull^%$# to try to make the average American afraid of Universal Healthcare. It’s worked incredibly well- they have gotten wealthier and wealthier, and you have gotten stuck with ridiculous premiums, impossible rules (did you know a yeast infection was a pre-existing condition making you uninsurable by certain companies?) and directors who HAVE to deny a certain percentage of claims each month. It’s not healthcare, it’s a joke.
You, and your family, will be the ones who will suffer. Neither Obama’s nor McCain’s plans are what is needed- that’s Universal care- but McCain’s promises to leave even more than the current 50 million Americans without insurance- by some estimates, much more.
Please, America- quit listening to the lobbyist’s companies slick ads and swift boat tricks of some politicians. DEMAND UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE FROM YOUR CONGRESSPERSON/SENATORS NOW! Amazingly, research shows we already, tax-wise, pay for it- our tax money (31% of ea. dollar towards healthcare) is just given to these middlemen we don’t need.

By the way, Liz, if anyone is anti-American it is Obama and his band of misfits, crooks and pentagon bombers, white hating pastor, and his america hating wife….that’s what I would call a basket full of anti-Americans!

mfmros, you just advocated that Needed Info spread that viral email to every website. It is nothing but a lying viral email that has been debunked a million times. I have no respect for liars.

This sounds like C-Span. Just a bunch of hateful partisan rhetoric with no real discussion of solutions. If we stay on this hateful path much longer we will probably end up in a another civil war. Can you imagine what will happen if this election ends up in the courts like it did in 2000?

** One would have to have the cerebral capacity of a cockroach to buy into Obama’s inspirational BS. **
Not BS.. go to http://thomas.loc.gov/ and look at the legislation he has introduced. Then, for grins, look up what McCain has introduced and see which ones claims about being for Americans is more accurate!
Do it, I dare you :)

Nater, you’re kidding right? McCain changes stances hour-to-hour. I’ve never seen a candidate so disjointed and so reactionary as McCain. I’m sorry, but McCain is a loose cannon that has no place anywhere near the red button.

*** NEWS FLASH***
Satan endorses Obama!

Obama keeps on racheting up the lies and rhetoric to try and distract from his “shady” past…by hook or by “crook” is Obama’s motto. People need to follow how that the Obama worshippers are “helping” with the voter registration in Ohio and see how the Dem’s are trying to “STEAL” the election there. They register them to vote, drive them to the advance polls and tell them to vote for Obama. Sounds like the work of ACORN, Obama’s crooked “community organizer” wing. I wonder how much they are paying the poor homeless people, that they are registering, to vote for Obama?
Say NO to corruption in government…
Vote MCCAIN / PALIN for ’08

WHINING MEALYMOUTHED QUISLING LIBERAL LOONS!

It’s very amazing to see how far Republicans are willing to distort the truth! I feel disgusting to see so many lies and racism comments that McCain’s supporters or paid bloggers have posted! Do everything dirty just to win? Amazing! “WIN FIRST, Country LAST” Keep up your lies and attacks. The more you attack the more people will distaste your candidates.

Nater is a troll.. please don’t feed the trolls, particularly those who simply attempt to spread fear and ignorance.

Who here isn’t a troll? There is a common need or ailment if you will that fuels the peeing matches that take place on places such as this. I’m merely getting my fix as are many.

Incidentally; are not ‘crat talking points that speak of “eight more years of Bush” or “financial crisis”, similar spreadings of fear?

Norander…McCain, compared to Obama, is the epitomy of corruption. His campaign is full of lobbyists and Bush/Cheney operatives that don’t give a damn about you and me. He’s just playing this all by ear and letting his advisors do all the work. All he cares about is winning, being President so he can he can shove it to his father and grandfather. To prove to them, in his own mind, that he’s not a failure.

Experts say that if is McCain’s health plan is enacted, in five years NO employer will offer health care insurance for their employees.
So what happens when my employer cuts health care insurance. I, as a single, will get a $2500 tax credit. Right now the health insurance (paid by me and the boss) runs $7200 for a single. Notice the $4700 difference that I would have to pay.
When my employer cuts the health insurance, they aren’t going to raise my salary. Not gonna happen anywhere. Anyone who believes that has been smoking something illegal or is dumber than a box of rocks.
I have high blood pressure and other pre-existing conditions that make me uninsurable. Translation, if McCain’s plan is enacted, I will not have health insurance. McCain’s people admit that they haven’t figured out how to help those in my boat.

needed info- you need some accurate info you blind fool.Why dont you list your source for this bull info? I dont consider Canada and France,Great Briton third world countries.Have some if not the best socialized health care in the world. Get a clue!!!

It is amazing to hear some of you speak of(GROUP)or Universal healthcare. Most of you speak nonsense. It is amazing to hear people who either, dont have, pay too much, or is limited when needed, defend your private American (for the rich) system.
In Canada we all have healthcare, rich, poor, dumb, smart, employed not employed, and the premimums are a fraction of what you Americans are paying, they are beyond affordable even for a single mom and seniors, hence we live longer than Americans.
The great country of America should be ashamed of itself. You have money to spend $10B per month on waging war but cant’t find money to provide real healthcare to Americans. Yes war makes the rich guys with political contacts richer.
The bus loads of American seniors who buy their medicine in Canada and Mexico is sad.
The Republicans have brainwashed your population to think that if they cannot make a profit then it is evil.
WAKE-UP AMERICA! You are Americans, stop letting them devide you with their politics, you can be a liberal on some issues and be conservative on others.
FACT: Voters for Mr. MCain are the least educated in the country.
FACT: Voters for Mr. Obama are the most educated.
So my advice to America is: Stupid ones listen to the smart ones this time.

mfmros: You have yet to back up a single statement by you and only you to back up anything you have insinuated or put forth. Your becoming a true nuisance which is making you just invisible and unimportant in this discussion. Nothing but hot air with no substance or fact. If you are an example of what is representing your party then I would be truly ashamed.

THE PIG SHOULD BE THE MASCOT SYMBOL FOR THE LIBERALS, IT FITS THEM PERFECTLY! OINK OINK!

Canadian for America: I am proud to have you as my neighbor. Thanks for being there for us in so many ways. Those Americans who are fighting for the people, by the people and of the people, will do our best to help you be able to have reciprocal feelings towards us again. I do admire and am jealous of your health system in Canada. Again, THANKS!

Bush43 didn’t live up to Daddy and Granddaddy. McCain didn’t live up to Daddy and Granddaddy. Neither have the intellect to be President but want to prove to their Daddy & Granddaddy that they’re somebody too. It’s the same story, second verse.

Liz have you done your homework? If you had you would know I speak the truth.

M-16: We meet again! Aren’t you that 16 year old male without any friends or girlfriends, does not want and education, hates and fights everyone in the schoolyard and scares his parents for what he will do wrong next? No brains with nothing but destructive statements with no real purpose then to make yourself feel better because you hate everyone else and no one likes you? Yeah, your the kid. Go play somewhere else. You have no purpose here.

** Let John McCain and Sarah Palin get our finacial house in order: **
Not going to happen. McCain favors the wealthy and big corporations. His tax plan is just more trickle down nonsense that has led to this nations largest deficit jumps in history. He will barely put a dent in deficit spending by his ‘earmark’ plan. At least Obama is realistic and will raise some revenue by taxing the wealthy, while giving larger cuts to the low and middle class. That will spur economic growth faster and shift the tax burden further to the top where it has been significantly lacking. Business tax rates will be left un-changed, and other taxes will not increase past where they were under Clinton. Most people point to capital gains and gawk.. yet he only want’s to raise them to 25%, less than that under Clinton, and still leave all existing exemptions in place.. so unless you are going to make a HUGE profit on your home, it will not make any difference.
Bush took office with a balanced budget and federal surplus, yet still managed, due to his tax cuts, to increase the deficit by $133 billion his first year. It didn’t work then, nor under his father, nor under Regan or even under Hoover who actually coined the term ‘trickle down’ (and was a major reason for the great depression in ’29).
When will people realize this. If you want to forget history, you are doomed to repeat it.

J… evidently, your homework consists of reading and listening to right-wingers and spreading their lies. I’m sorry, but that’s not real homework.

Claim: Obama wants to Socialize Health Care
Fact: False
Reality:
The two candidates health care plans differ significantly. McCains plan primarily focuses on deregulation to stimulate competition between the insurance providers, reforming tax codes, and providing a fixed credit to all families. Obama wants to create a national health plan that would make insurance available to all Americans, particularly those who are currently unable to obtain insurance, and with guaranteed eligibility. It is not a mandatory system, as many have mistaken, and is completely voluntary, so individuals who already have existing health insurance do not need to participate unless they want to. Obama also calls for health care tax credits, favoring the low and middle class, as well as incentives to increase efficiency and quality in the health care industry. The two plans, while comparable in cost, differ in year to year patterns, however based on analysis by the Economic Policy Institute, Obamas plan outperforms McCains plan in coverage and efficiency.
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126
In a detailed analysis between the two plans, the Wall Street Journal comes to the same conclusion as the EPI, and has additionally said:
“Given the current inefficiencies in our system, the impact of the Obama plan will be profound. Besides the $2,500 savings in medical costs for the typical family, according to our research annual business-sector costs will fall by about $140 billion. Our figures suggest that decreasing employer costs by this amount will result in the expansion of employer-provided health insurance to 10 million previously uninsured people”.
When looking at the McCain plan, they state:
“In contrast, Sen. McCain, who constantly repeats his no-new-taxes promise on the campaign trail, proposes a big tax hike as the solution to our health-care crisis. His plan would raise taxes on workers who receive health benefits, with the idea of encouraging their employers to drop coverage. A study conducted by University of Michigan economist Tom Buchmueller and colleagues published in the journal Health Affairs suggests that the McCain tax hike will lead employers to drop coverage for over 20 million Americans”.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122152292213639569.html

Pam and Beth are both pathetic liars. How do you sleep at night spreading such vicious lies? Ignorance like this is what got us Bush the last 8 years.

Obama is a muslim thug

beth and whatever other names you hide under. You are the female version of M-16. If you have no real purpose other then attempted destructive statements then go play somewhere else. Take your drug-induced destroyed brain and attempt to get an education. Then come back and see if you can present a real discussion with facts that mean something and actually create constructive solutions to real problems. Oops, too many hard words and concepts here for you. You are unimportant in this discussion and a waste of time.

Every civilised country on this earth has a health care plan which protects all of its citizens. For those who can afford it and want to be able to go in a private room in a hospital or have the specialist of their chosing, there are private insurance options. This way, if you fall on hard times or something (medically) hits your or your family that you weren’t expecting or can’t pay for – you are COVERED. You don’t have to feel embarrassed. And you certainly don’t have to miss out on treatment. We need a health system that works for us. All of Europe is collapsing into a recession now also – but at least their citizens are going down with a guaranteed health care plan. Our private insurers run strictly on a profit per patient basis – making fat profits for shareholders while people die in the waiting rooms. We deserve better health cover than this. We deserve it – and it’s about time we demand it. For those who have six figure plus incomes, no one will stop them from topping up with additional private cover to get the silver service treatment. But think who great it would be if you didn’t have to worry about your health cover again. Just think about that. All our children deserve the best health cover. They are our future. No matter where they are born or how poor they are.

Liz, you sound like a typical brainwashed idiot Obot.

Maybe if our healthcare providers would charge a reasonable price for their products and services,like a cheaper than $10.00 bandaid,what about take this prescription,if it does not work in a couple of days come back get another one,plus doctors visit,maybe some more unneade tests;oh by the way flush the others down the stool,hey do not worry your insurance will cover it.Its fine to be overcharged as long a s insurance covers it !!! THats why premiums ARE PARTLY SO HIGH.Sarah Palin and john Mccain;get in there and clean house,top to bottom through out the Giverment.also how about audio and visual servailence in the hospital rooms as like in your local convenience store,maybe there would be less mistakes in our hospitals.Nothing is free ,you pay for what you get and sometimes for that which you did not get,but deffinantly for what you get!!!

Just goes to prove, you can take the boy out of the Ghetto but you can’t take the Ghetto out of the boy. Barry is a Fraud and always has been a FRAUD!!! America is finally waking up to this fact. Thank God!!!!!

M-16 listens to right-wingers lies and smears. Obama has never worked for Acorn…and if he had, there would be nothing wrong with that. Acorn is a respectable organization that is a victim to right-wing smear tactics because right-wingers don’t like it when poor folk are encouraged to vote. Frank Raines has nothing to do with Obama’s campaign.

I can’t believe how disingenuous Obama is being. I just ran the numbers through for my area for a typical family of four and found the most expensive health plan to be a mere $447/month and the average to be under $300. That translates to a mere $5364 per year at the most and less than $3600 on average.
Given that, McCain’s proposed tax credit of $5000/yr looks mighty nice. For those who want the best coverage, a mere $364 of out of pocket expenses will cover a family of four. For those who are willing to pay a small deductible, McCain’s plan will give them a net profit of $1400.
As for taxing the health insurance provided through an employer, so what. Unless a person is under an insurance plan whose premiums are greater than $20,000/yr, any family receiving such a health plan will still be making a profit under McCain’s proposed tax credit.
Obama, the American people are more than intelligent enough to see the benefit of McCain’s plan when they look at the actual numbers. The only people who are going to buy into your hype are those who are so blinded by your charms that they don’t bother to stop and check the facts for themselves.
If all you can do, Obama, is lie to our faces, expect that we will tell you precisely where you can go come November.
signed
–a resident of the state whose people you continue to fail to represent.

NorAnder scribbled: “I strongly suggest the Fed’s need to get some agents over to Ohio and look into Obama’s “volunteer” staff that is registering and telling people how to vote there.”
Honey, are you really that dense? The parties have been doing this for as long as I can remember.. And no dear, they are not telling them how to vote, just enabling them to vote. You know, like how the Republicans set up busses to bring people without transportation to the polls when Bush was running for office. Please dear, do grab a history book and bone up on this stuff.. spouting off like you do just makes you sound ignorant.

Why did abc news go to such extremes to make Obama appear crazed and “radical” on the front page picture. With the headline, “McCain calls Obama “radical”?” What message is that suppose to send? Then right beneath that Sarah Palin attacking Obama saying he’s buddies with terrorists? Isn’t Palin running for VP? Then why isn’t she attacking Biden? Fear? Both Palin and McCain are coming across as seemingly irrational and crazed. That’s really disturbing.

DUMBLIBERALBONGINGANDBLOGGING, I GIVE IT RIGHT BACK TO YA, WHAT YOU GIVE TO OTHERS. YOU’RE SO-CALLED SOPHISTICATED TONE HAS YOU THINKING YOU HAVE A BRAIN, BUT INTELLIGENT COMMONSENSE PEOPLE CAN READ RIGHT THROUGH INDOCTRINATED LIBERAL MINDS WITH IGNORANT TALKING POINTS, THAT’S IT, JUST TALKING POINTS WITH NO SUBSTANCE, MY LITTLE ONE. YOU WANNA COMPARE BACKROUNDS MORON, POST, AND I WILL POST YOU IDIOT!

I know you Americans like to bash our health care system in Canada, but it works. If you need something and its serious it gets done proto. Some procedures that aren`t life threatening sometimes take a few weeks but thats a small price to pay so that EVERYONE receives the same great care.

Weigo said: “A little paranoid are you? You honestly believe the McCain camp has nothing better to do than to post on an ABC message board.” Weigo: Yes we do believe that is true. The McCain camp is getting more and more desperate to do whatever it takes to reclaim the Bush policies and doctrines. If you were running for office, would you not do the same if you LOSING and was not afraid to lie and cheat to win? I very do, very much, believe that McCain has posters on as many boards, such as these, as possible.

Obama’s Health Plan – Have you checked out any of the countries that have socialized medicine? If you live in such a place and become ill you try (with every bit of money you can gather) to come to America. When our medicine becomes socialistic under Obamas (ad his wife’s) plan where will we go? Not all that glitters is gold.

LIZ, YOU’RE AN IDIOT, I NEVER SAID OBAMA WORKED FOR ACORN! YOU SEE HOW YOU MORONS TAKE EVERBODY’S WORD’S OUT OF CONTEXT, READ AGAIN YOU DUMB B*TCH! AND BY THE WAY, I’M A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT WHO HATES LIBERALS!

Dan: no, nothing is free. So what happens when you get laid off from work and can’t get another job straight away? No health care? You may be fine with your home and your job – can you honestly say that all of the people you know are? What about the young people who haven’t been around long enough to make the savings and get an asset and who don’t have any wealth in their family – No Health Care? Don’t get sick? What about the people who get sick and their paid up health care provider wont help them? We need to do something. I’m not convinced that Obama will do as much as I’d like to improve our health care. I tell you, after what has been happening, I wouldn’t trust anyone in Washington, and that’s straight up. But I intend to watch whoever gets in. And if Mc Cain’s health policy makes this health situation worse, he’ll be out on his ear. And if Obama gets in and doesn’t deliver – he’s gone. I’m sick of these people treating us like idiots, throwing slogans at us and then gorging at the trough of the people’s money. I’m done with that, whoever gets in. So – whoever gets in – FIX HEALTH. FIX IT. DONKEY OR ELEPHANT – NO MORE BULL!

And oh, my dear Janice… yes indeed they DO tell people how to vote. I have been working in Human Services for over 20 years fighting that, and a few other unethical behaviors. Believe me, when I walk up to the voter registration tables set up in our building, they “behave,” but when they don’t see me coming, their all “Democrat.” Granted, that’s ONLY my own personal experience ;)

M-16, sorry I meant that for mfmfros but you’re just as whacky:-)

LESBIAN LIZ, READ YOU’RE OWN POST, AND YOU WILL SEE EVEN MORE ANGER FROM YOU ARROGANT A**!

Here’s more to see what O’Bambi will do for you.
INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
>
> Spread the word…..
>
> This is something you should be
> aware of so you don’t get blind-sided.
> This is really going to catch a lot
> of families off guard. It should
> make you worry.
>
> Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
>
> CAPITAL GAINS TAX
>
> MCCAIN
> 0% on home sales up to $500,000
> per home (couples) McCain does not
> propose any change in existing
> home sales income tax.
>
> OBAMA
> 28% on profit from ALL home sales
>
> How does this affect you?
> If you sell your home and make a profit, you
> will pay 28% of your gain on taxes.
> If you are heading toward retirement
> and would like to down-size your
> home or move into a retirement
> community, 28% of the money you
> make from your home will go to taxes. This
> proposal will adversely affect the
> elderly who are counting on the income
> from their homes as part of their retirement income.
>
> DIVIDEND TAX
>
> MCCAIN 15% (no change)
>
> OBAMA 39.6%
>
> How will this affect you?
> If you have any money invested in stock
> market, IRA, mutual funds,
> college funds, life insurance, retirement
> accounts, or anything that pays
> or reinvests dividends, you will now
> be paying nearly 4 0% of the money
> earned on taxes if Obama become president.
> The experts predict that ‘higher
> tax rates on dividends and capital gains
> would crash the stock market yet
> do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
>
> INCOME TAX
>
> MCCAIN (no changes)
>
> Single making 30K – tax $4,500
> Single making 50K – tax $12,500
> Single making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 60K- tax $9,000
> Married making 75K – tax $18,750
> Married making 125K – tax $31,250
>
> OBAMA
> (reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
> Single making 30K – tax $8,400
> Single making 50K – tax $14,000
> Single making 75K – tax $23,250
> Married making 60K – tax $16,800
> Married making 75K – tax $21,000
> Married making 125K – tax $38,750
>
> Under Obama your taxes will
> more than double!
> How does this affect you? No explanation
> needed. This is pretty
> straight forward.
>
> INHERITANCE TAX
>
> MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
>
> OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
>
> How does this affect you? Many families
> have lost businesses,
> farms and ranches, and homes
> that have
> been in their families
> for generations because they could not
> afford the inheritance tax.
> Those willing their assets to loved
> ones will not only lose them tothese taxes.
>
> NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
>
> * New government taxes proposed on
> homes that are more than
> 2400 square feet
>
> * New gasoline taxes (as if
> gas weren’t high enough already)
>
> * New taxes on natural resources
> consumption (heating
> gas, water, electricity)
>
> * New taxes on retirement accounts
> and last but not least….
>
> * New taxes to pay for socialized medicine
> so we can receive the same
> level of medical care as other
> third-world countries!!!

Sam spews this racist filth:
“Just goes to prove, you can take the boy out of the Ghetto but you can’t take the Ghetto out of the boy. Barry is a Fraud and always has been a FRAUD!!! America is finally waking up to this fact. Thank God!!!!!”
Here are some of that “ghetto boy’s” accomplishments – earned through intellect and hard work, something I’m sure you have zero experience with:
During his three years as the DCP’s director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000, with accomplishments including helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants’ rights organization in Altgeld Gardens.
Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988.
At the end of his first year, he was selected, based on his grades and a writing competition, as an editor of the Harvard Law Review.
In February 1990, in his second year, he was elected president of the Law Review, a full-time volunteer position functioning as editor-in-chief and supervising the Law Review’s staff of eighty editors.
Obama’s election as the first black president of the Law Review was widely reported and followed by several long, detailed profiles.

ABCNEWS CAN YOU NOT BAN THIS SPAMMER?
NEEDED INFO | Oct 4, 2008 8:45:24 PM
WHAT A JOKE ,ALLLREPUBLICAN LIES TOO!
SORRY CHARLIE, GET READY FOR DEMOCRATIC RULE OVER YOU FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS PROBABLY!!! WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!!

M-16, LOL…now you’re resorting to name-calling. I’m happily married for 21 years to a veteran of the Armed Forces.

I dont care who wins, but Obama is such a media phony!! McCain’s not much better……..

dlboggan: “Wow! M-16: Don’t blow you 16 year old mind up so badly there. If you are this so-called sophisticated person you claim to be then why do you act so childish. If you are educated at all, I don’t think it has done you much good.”
dlboggan, can’t you see that the ignorant hicks just cannot accept the fact that this man has earned and achieved his position through hard work and intellect?
They choose instead empty rhetoric, as they feel talked down to when confronted by intelligent discussion; they refuse to confront their ignorance and intolerance.
By the way, my family came from appalachia – Jellicho Tn to be exact, but they rose above and chose to EDUCATE themselves.
It is okay to be stupid – we’re all stupid, as we can’t know it all.
Ignorance is another matter entirely.

if you can’t conceive you might, if you’re mccaint magoo or barbie,condensed, confuse and conceal. it’s often a better coarse for the ethically challenged of the socorepublnazi regime. the truth is much too bright for them.

NEEDED INFO….I’m not sure if you can’t read or you just want to mislead people, Obama tax increases only effects those individuals that make over $250,000 not families, get your facts right, everything you mention including selling your home will only be taxed at a higher rate than it is right now if you make over 250,000. So read and get informed. Check out factcheck.org, it might help. Also it might help you to know that Bush tax policy extends to 2010, Obama will not extend, McCain will.
Now…..to the Hilary supporter, I like Mrs. Clinton, I really do…but if this is the kind of support you give your party after your pick is defeated I wonder if you really stand on the principles that I stand for. Allow me to just say this, nobody is perfect, you have to vote on the passion, the belief that somebody feels you pain. Now the last time I check the only pain Mr. McCain is feeling, is which one of his houses he will stay in, or which one of his cars he will fill up. Now if you have that type of wealth I understand you voting for him, but to all you broke folks out there voting for him, give me a break……I have to question your motives, might be a black THANG.
. Your turn??????????????????

M-16 scribbled: ” I’M A REGISTERED DEMOCRAT WHO HATES LIBERALS!”
Oh dear, you do have some serious issues, don’t you. Hate? Really? That is a pretty strong emotion and is one of the reasons for this countries troubled past. I might be considered by some as a ‘liberal’, so I guess you hate me as well? That kind of intolerance does not belong in our society, but back in the days of witch burning and hanging of innocent people because they were ‘different’. I would like to think that we as a society has come further than that.. unfortunately, it seems that some, like you, are unable to get past your irrational fears and join the rest of us in the 21st century.. I’m sorry honey, but you really need to seek professional help for your problems.. Good luck dear, you do need some.

GUILT BY ASSOCIATION!!! THIS IS PRETTY PATHETIC BY THE REPUBLICANS,
LET’S LOOK AT WHAT JOHN McCAIN and SARAH PALIN HAVE DONE — THEMSELVES :
- Sarah Palin is currently under ethics investigation in Alaska, an investigation which the McCain camp has been trying to silence. Sarah Palin, and her husband, and her staff have all refused to answer to subpoenas which have been issued for them, but the investigation still continues…
- Sarah Palin worked as director of a 527 Group for Senator Ted Stevens (Ted Stevens was indicted in July 2008, on 7 counts of corruption).
- Sarah Palin’s church believes that the violent acts against Jews in Israel, by the Palestinians is deserved by Jews, because Jews do not worship Jesus. Sarah Palin herself has been in church when these types of sermons have been preached against Israel by pastors.
- Sarah Palin’s husband was registered, and belonged to a group called AIP, which wants Alaska to become it’s own separate country. Officially, the AIP is a political party which advocates, becoming a separate nation. To break away from the USA.
- John McCain was investigated by the Senate Ethics Committee, for meeting with federal investigators twice and PRESSURING THEM them to stop investigating his good friend: Charles Keatings for his crimes.
Charles Keatings was convicted of 73 counts of FRAUD, conspiracy, and other crimes.
Charles Keatings lavished John McCain with lavish gifts, such as vacations, as well as HUGE amounts of campaign funds. Cindy McCain also had business dealings with Charles Keatings.
John McCain is the epitome of CORRUPTION!!
(By the way Savings and Loan Fraud scandal that Keatings and John McCain was involved with cost the taxpayers $2 BILLION DOLLARS in taxpayer money)
- John McCain admitted to intentionally filing false income tax returns to defraud the IRS by not claiming thousands of dollars in gifts McCain and his family received from Charles Keating and Keating’s company. Years later, when the IRS noticed Keating’s company had written off the gifts to McCain as business expenses, McCain had to fess up and admit to filing false returns and then made a “donation” to the U.S. Treasury to cover the amount he defrauded American tax payers.
- John McCain’s intervening with prosecutors, and cutting a deal with them using his influence as a Senator to get his wife, Cindy McCain off on serious charges which could have resulted in felonies for her stealing of drugs from a charity. Crimes of fraud, and larceny, were dropped against Cindy only because McCain used his political office to exert pressure on the prosecutor.
- Now once again, John McCain is using his political office to try to silence the ethics investigation into his running mates actions as Governor of Alaska.
- And let’s not forget that John McCian cooperated with the enemy, the Vietnamese, during a time of war. John McCain made 23 propaganda tapes for the Vitenamese, in which John McCain talked negatively about the US miliary, his own country!

“Southern man better, keep your head.
Don’t forget what the good book said”
Isn’t it sad to see the ignorance and hate spewed by these poor un-educated southerner’s?
They don’t realize that they are voting for the very party that has kept them in poverty and ignorance.
Obama is a voice of reason, and hope.
No, he is not “the savior” – but he at least has a PLAN; a plan to build the economy from the ground up.
McCain wants to cut, cut and cut some more.
Southern man, is government spending a problem for you?
What about your job, and the cost of living?
You’ve lost over 5 million jobs to corporate trickle down policies; be prepared to lose some more, possibly your own by voting Republican.

unneededinfo-where did you find this trash? utub? a mccaint magoo barbie campaign info site? if you are going talk the talk back it up or stuff it!

J….can you prove anything of what you’ve said is true?

NEEDED INFO scribbled: “I HAVE MORE INTELLIGENCE AND UNDERSTANDING IN MY RIGHT NUT, THAN YOU DO IN YOU’RE WHOLE WASTE OF A SKELETON BODY!”
Oh honey, not if you buy into those lies you have been posting.. you do know that every one is completely false and in some cases, just plain made up out of thin air. That is not a sign of intelligence dear, and in fact just proves the opposite.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/taxes.asp
If you really want to show some intelligence, perhaps you can actually cite a real issue and discuss your candidates position on it.. come on now, if you really are intelligent, I know you can.

Obama the magic negro is going to prison soon.

I really think that the democratic party is dead here folks. Between all the fear and smear going on in this election year,including Obama supporters and the MSM, other candidates dont stand a chance. What happened to the party who believed in being fair? What happened to the party who is for “all americans”? The Obama supporters and the MSM tend to forget there are 50% who believed in Hillary Clinton.There are others who believe in McCain/Palin, or as all of you state incessantly, “pigs with lipstick on them”. You treat them like they are not people with their hopes and opinions. Surely different than yours, but they have them too. And, because they do, they are bad people. Because they dont feel Obama is their candidate, they are stupid and cling their guns and religion to get by. Where has all of your respect for others freedoms gone? I can tell you where that is. In the sewer along with all the other rats who trampled on our freedom. Unless you enjoy being one of those rats, then keep on eating the rotten cheese you are being given. If you are not one of those rats, and hope is not lost yet, then lets stop playing the hate card here and be human beings. Give everyone a “fair” chance and allow others to have their opinions, and their candidates of choice, without being ridiculed for it. After all, this is America, or has it become “The Obama States of America” instead of the United States of America? You choose. Or are you too busy hating on others?

NeededInfo or is it M-16? I’m guessing one and the same. When will you learn that you aren’t making sense and no one takes you seriously. Your just a nuisance no matter how loud you scream or how much you lie or how much you call names. Get a clue, get an education. Claim your intelligence and sacrifice for you country all you want but that does not mean you make any sense whatsoever here. You lost all credibility with your name calling and your lies. And I do believe that is what we are all trying to discuss here and you are the perfect example of what we all detest most, on both sides. Please do get some help. You really do need it.

diboggen- that nazi can’t be bothered to search snops

Oprah Obama will do anything to get elected.
His followers are like Nazi Youth.

she will: And what planet have you been living on? The Obama/Biden camp is several points ahead of the Palin/McCain camp and gaining momentum. Nice try, but you really do need to start watching something other the Fox News.

Just a bunch of ignorant post from the democratic bray’s. I’m going to another room to have real talks with other Americans that are not as hateful but respectful with insight.

She Will, OMG, the primaries are over and your clouded views are so 4 months ago.

OBAMA and his supporters showed NO respect to HRC and her supporters during the campaign, HE now deserves NONE for Himself.

M-16 wrote “JANICE, SUCK MY HE-HAW YOU PIG WITH PURPLE LIPSTICK DYKE! ON SECOND THOUGHT, I’LL PASS, YOU MIGHT BE CARRYING SOMETHING YOU GOT FROM ELLEN D.”
Oh dear, that was quite an intelligent response.. you really are in desperate need of help aren’t you honey? Poor thing, you do have so much hate and intolerance, I can almost see the vein in your forehead about to burst. But I do thank you for proving the point. Yet another one who is unable to defend their position and can only attack and cling to Roveian practices.

Ann: Nice lie try. The Obama birth certificate issue has been debunked by the best and he truely is a real American citizen. Even Snopes call it falsehood. Look here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/citizen.asp

The Clinton’s are behind this.. Hillary releaseing the dirt she has on Obama!! Ofcoarse it wont be traced to the Clinton’s, Barack messed with the wrong people……..

Here’s link to a comparison of Obama’s and McCain’s health care plans. It is from The Commonwealth Fund, which is a nonprofit and nonpartisan organization that studies health care. Obama’s plan wins hands down. http://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/publications_show.htm?doc_id=707948

marget wonders: “Obama stating that our armed forces are “raiding villages and killing civilians” That what we are doing over there is worthless and does not added up to much.its not working it is working. We need to get out now no mater what the cost. What kind of leader would say these things?”
Uh, how about Secretary of Defense Robert Gates? He APOLOGIZED (oh, dear!) just a couple of weeks ago for killing so many civilians. Does that make him unfit to be a leader? And FWIW (not much in your case, I’m sure), Obama never said that what we were doing was worthless; but when you have so few troops on the ground that you are reduced to indiscriminate bombing from the air, our results may be counterproductive. And you know what, Gen. David McKiernan, commander of international forces in Afghanistan, has ALSO agreed; according to AP, he said “that the chronic shortage of U.S. troops in Afghanistan is forcing commanders to rely more on air combat. U.S. airstrikes that kill civilians have angered and embarrassed the U.S.-backed Afghan government, and Karzai has been bitterly critical of such attacks.”
More from the AP’s own study of how fast we’re killing civilians vs the insurgents:
“A check of the facts shows that Western forces have been killing civilians at a faster rate than the insurgents.
“The U.S. and NATO say they don’t have civilian casualty figures, but The Associated Press has been keeping count based on figures from Afghan and international officials. Tracking civilian deaths is a difficult task because they often occur in remote and dangerous areas that are difficult to reach and verify.
“As of Aug. 1, the AP count shows that while militants killed 231 civilians in attacks in 2007, Western forces killed 286. Another 20 were killed in crossfire that can’t be attributed to one party.”
In other words, what Obama said was right.

…..WHERE ARE THE REAL AMERICANS……
CLOSE YOUR EYES AND VOTE WITH YOUR HEARTS AND MIND PEOPLE.
If you want REAL change you don’t keep going to the RIGHT you take a LEFT.

burnt toast- what an appropriate name! no if you are died in the wool card charring nazi everything suddenly is completely clear

‘closet marxist, communist, atheist, white hating muslim. Why is this so hard to see”….When someone talks like this I think what everyone looks to see is who is twisted enough to say such a thing. Obama is the type of guy who graduates fronm Harvard and instead of going straight to law firm andgetting six figures,he goes back to the streets to try to help the poor. Hate to tell you,but that is just the thingthat Jesus would like us to do. And Obama wants to help the sick. Again, this is the exact type of thing Jesus wants us to do. So to take what is essentially altruism and somehow turn it into such a hateful view, I’m sorry , but that just says a whole lot about YOU.

marget – you are truly gifted with a lack of intelligence.

nolie3456, I trust you’ve investigated all of your neighbors and coworkers. God forbid any of them has a past that will come back to haunt you through no fault of your own. This is the dumbest propaganda yet to come out of the McCain campaign. They’ve destroyed their own credibility.

As a “Taxpayer” I’m now helping pay rich Banking people and someone’s mortage. I’m helping the auto industry where people make 3 times what I do. Arnold wants me to help bail out C.A who has Universal Health Care.
Just where is Obama getting all this money for the so-called tax cuts along with bigger goverment?

mcCain is attackingObama’s character???? Surely you jest!!! mcCain, who’s wife is faithful to him foryears while he is a prisoner, mother to his children, he getsout, his wife then gets injurred, it’s time for HIM to bethe faithful husband. Waht does he do???? He WH@RES around with his newfound ‘fame’ of being a POW. He USED his POW status to get laid, and cheated on his wife mercilessly (Oh, but Reader’sdigest says, he has openly admittedit. Oh gee, that makes it SOOO much better) then he LEAVES that faithful wife for the current tramp,cindy, whotakes him away from his children. Or shall we talk about Palin, who get knocked up before she’s married, and then her daughter who wh@res around and gets knocked upat 17 AND Palin has an affair, oh yes she did, with her HUSBANDS BUSINESS PARTNER!! Oh yes, there are affidavits from witnesses to prove it!! The GOP is the party of WH@RES!!! are htye SURE They want to start talking about ‘character” because Obama with his ONE WIFE can get REAL UGLY if you like!

WHO IN THE F*CK IS USING MY NAME!!!!! THE ONE POSTING NEEDED INFO AND SAYING THAT FROM MY OTHER ABC POST ON HERE NEEDS TO BE DEALT WITH! THAT BETTER NOT BE A F*CKING LIBERAL!!!!!!!!!!!! NO DLBOGGAN, THATS NOT ME, BUT WHOEVER IT IS, THEY HAVE MORE MENTAL PROBLEMS THAN WHAT JANICE SAYS ABOUT ME. HEY YOU LIBERAL F*CK DOING THAT, KEEP YOUR OWN NAME ON YOUR POST YOU PU**Y!

Kenny said: As a “Taxpayer” I’m now helping pay rich Banking people and someone’s mortage. I’m helping the auto industry where people make 3 times what I do. Arnold wants me to help bail out C.A who has Universal Health Care.
Just where is Obama getting all this money for the so-called tax cuts along with bigger goverment?”
First of all, the plan is a Bush-sponsored proposal.
Second, Arnold is a Republican too.
Obama is just a senator, one of many who voted for this bill in order to keep the banks from denying credit to corporate lenders.
Why do you see this as “Obama’s money”?

Sorry, Janice, but I could care less about the “averages” when the insurance quotes provided to me show the “averages” are outright lies.
Don’t believe it? Try for yourself and look at the rates: http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/
As for “the more rational” – thanks for the laugh. First and foremost, everyone in this nation has the right to vote regardless of there rationality or debating skills. Second, your own debating skills and rationality are rather lacking considering the number of ad hominem attacks and other fallacies which imbue your every post here.
When you step up your debating skills, I may return and engage you. ‘Til then, however…

Jack Carlson: “you Obama people are just unbelievable!!! Don’t you realize that this is 1976 all over again? BHO is Jimmy Carter-lite. Remember how well that worked out? We are still paying for Carter’s mistakes. If you really WANT national suicide, vote for Obama.”
DO you have anything of substance to add to this discussion?
Your ideology is showing there bud, might want to cover that up in public.
Bring some facts to the table next time, and leave your bias at home.

Go and see a newly released movie “An American Carol”. It is hilarious.

I’m getting so tired of the racist comments on here. Racism = ignorance and hate. If you are a real Christian you are not a racist. And I feel so sorry for those people who are still so ignorant and have so much hate in their heart. God will punish you. And it’s sad that there are still so many people in this country that are like that.

It’s time to put a man of intelligence and character in charge of this country.
Just look at the ignorant, angry spew by those that just can’t get past their anger and emotions, and realize that these are the same idiots that placed the fool GW Bush in charge of our country.
Is it any wonder that the GOP will not fund education?
They rely on their army of angry southern fools to place them in power.

“The truth is all the unemployed will need insurance and what is either party doing for the home foreclosure people.”
I hear you.
I believe Obama will too – at least his tax cuts will offset your cost of living somewhat.
McCain doesn’t even have a plan – he thinks that our concern is government spending and he plans to cut and cut some more.
Small consolation to you and I.
Watch the next 2 debates – I expect Obama will address these issues more clearly.

i have to admit i take great pleasure in seeing the right wing finally squirming… and squirming they are, because their days are numbered… not only will obama/biden win in november but if you dig a bit deeper in the news you will find reports of key senator races that are also leaning towards democrats… plus, all the millions of newly registered voters, young people and minorities, that are not part of the polls that are already showing obama ahead by 5+ points in every single poll taken the past few days… even FAUX NEWS has obama way ahead… the republicans are squirming and it is so rewarding… so let them spread their same ol’ lies, america is finally waking up to them and their days are numbered!!

I think the magnitude of the credit crisis does not afford anyone the possibility to address the entire chain of events. The entire housing industry needs some serious adjustment,it has many flaws and faces, but it will take careful planning. The intent from Obama is there. I expect to see additional and less costly legislation to address this. This didn’t happen overnight and it is unrealistic to think that a quick fix will be implemented.

Lorrie: A truly honest,open and heartfelt post. Thanks for sharing that. The McCain plan will be disasterous. “Obama for 08″

2 CRIMINALS ARE TRYING TO CRITICIZE OBAMA. MCCAIN HAD A KEATING 5 CORRUPTION CHARGE AND PALIN WHO CURRENTLY HAS AN ABUSE OF AUTHORITY CHARGE AND WAS FOUND LYING ABOUT THE REASON SHE FIRE A GOOD EMPLOYEE, ALL TO SETTLE A PERSONAL VENDETTA. A JUDGE WARNED HER AGAINST HARASSMENT AND RETALIATION AND SHE IGNORED THEM. SHE HAS HER HIGH SCHOOL BUDDIES ON HER STAFF. AMERICA IS NOT AS STUPID AND MCCAIN AND PALIN THINKS.
OBAMA/BIDEN 2008

MCCAIN SAID HE VETTED PALIN AND SHE IS MORE KNOWLEDGEABLE THAT ANYONE ON ENERGY AND FOREIGN POLICY. MCCAIN LIED HORRIBLY. MCCAIN SAID SHE IS READY TO BE PRESIDENT. HE STANDS BY HER. HE HELPED HER BEAT ABUSE OF AUTHORITY CHARGES. HE GOT SEVEN PEOPLE TO CHANGE THEIR MINDS ABOUT TESTIFYING. HE EVEN GOT HER AND HER HUSBAND OUT OF TESTIFYING. MCCAIN IS STILL CORRUPT. HE HELPED HER AVOID EXPLAINING ILLEGAL PER DIIEMS SHE PAID HERSELF. MCCAIN SAID HE IS AGAINST EARMARKS, BUT NEGLECTS TO SAY THAT HIS LYING VICE PRESIDENT HAS REQUESTED MORE MONEY PER CAPITAL THAN ANY OTHER STATE IN THE UNITED STATES THIS YEAR. HE’S JOHN MCCAIN, HE’LL APPROVE ANYTHING. HE’LL LIE AT THE BLINK OF AN EYE.
EVERYTHING THEY SAY ARE LIES.

Why would ANYONE come up with a plan that jeopardizes those who have health insurance (most of us) to provide insurance for those who do not? THAT DOES NOT MAKE SENSE. You can tell McCain has excellent coverage because he thinks 5k is so attractive. He is 100% covered based on his POW status. 5k is a joke people!

Posted by: Tom. Tescher – Quote -
“The McCain ship is sinking and out come all the rats. All negative now, all attack with not plan. Sorry McPalin, the public isn’t going to buy your lies and crap again this election…..Finally there are enough people that get over the top of their propaganda and we will have change.
Hopefully Obama will consider re-instituting the fairness doctrine to balance out the right wing propaganda on the AM dial.”
Sinking…not a chance!
And you believe the leftist pollster spin? False, biased representation in an attempt to “influence” voters? And I suppose, based on your last statement, you are advocating removing “freedom of speech” (if Obama is elected)from the airwaves. So much for the constitional rights and democracy in America under Obama’s master plan. This would fit perfectly with Obama’s past “communist” connections. On your comment on “propaganda”…Obama has the market cornered there. 200,000 Germans screaming “Seig Heil” to Obama is about the worst propaganda pill anyone can stomach. Obama’s spin doctors are working overtime to hide his past and try to usher in the “age of Obama”….
Don’t vote for the “Zero”, vote for the “hero”…jmo…
Vote MCCAIN / Palin ’08

As far as the child who didn’t have insurance. I’m sorry his family won’t work in jobs to provide for their child. However, if he would change his name to Jose and pretend he walked across the border – he can walk into any hospital and it be paid in full.

McCain has no plan for the American people. McCain has no agenda to help the regular taxpayer. Tax health care benefits. You will have less companies covering you. Most people are paying for their own healthcare plans and now they will taxed on top of it.
Obama laid out his plan to help the taxpayers. He has a plan for America.
McCain is an angry, bitter, grumpy old Man who was ignorant and ignored both the moderator and Obama and took both his turn to speak and Obama’s also to tell Once upon a time stories that do not help the American people pay any bills. I don’t need a Storyteller !!!! I need a President who has plan to help me and my family !!!!
OBAMA for America.
Eight Years Was Too Much. America will send a message to BUSH and MCCAIN.
YOU IGNORE OUR SUFFERING AND ISSUES FOR EIGHT YEARS, WE WILL IGNORE YOU ON NOVEMBER 4TH. OBAMA/BIDEN FOR 2008

EASY: “I’m not sure if you can’t read or you just want to mislead people, Obama tax increases only effects those individuals that make over $250,000 not families”
Sorry, Easy, but it is you hwho have been misled. Obama’s plan is not as simplistic as you have been led to believe. While it is true that he has proposed an increase in taxes on those making more than $250,000 per year, he has coupled that with a proposal to rescind/let expire the Bush tax cuts from 2001 & 2002.
It is the latter proposal which will affect everyone in this nation, regardless of level of income.
Under the current system, earnings less than $8,025 are taxed at 10% and those between $8,025 and $32,550 are taxed at 15%. Earnings up to $78,850 are taxed at 25%, $164,550 at 28%, and $357,700 at 33%. Earnings above that are taxed 35%
If the Bush tax cuts are rescinded or let expire, everyone’s earnings up to $26,250 will be taxed at 15%, up to $63,550 at 28%, up to $132,600 at 31%, up to $288,350 at 36%, and over $288,350 at 39.6%.
As is obvious even to the most blind, the tax rates Obama has vowed to reinstate will raise every single income earner’s taxes.
The promise on raising taxes on those earning over $250,000 is an additional tax increase Obama wants to put into place on the highest income earners of this nation. It does not negate the fact that he wants to increase taxes on everyone – regardless of what his defenders and puppets want to pretend.

Um – many of the uninsured are working people. If you are already on welfare, then coverage is not an issue. There are many reasons unrelated to being lazy why people do not have coverage or inadequate coverage. It’s expensive. If your employer did not cover you could you afford it? Let’s not jump to conclusions here. There are many different scenarios other than the one we know best, our own. If you work for yourself and approach an insurer as an individual, trust me you are toast. Employer provided coverage has the advantage of managing a group of consumers.

Obama constantly twists facts. Is Obama implying that the government caused his mom to die? What is the point of bringing is mother up? This is another lie to suit his political interests. Obama’s mother had a PhD., her mother was the Vice-President of the Bank of Hawaii, Obama went to the finest prep schools and the best universities. Why couldn’t Obama’s mom and family pay for her care? Why is it the government’s responsiblity?
A $5,000 insurance credit is not radical. It’s $5,000 extra to get insurance of your choice. Universal Health Care, now THAT is radical. Obama promises everything to everybody. How is he going to pay for all this? I would say we will pay. The government is going to raise your taxes to pay for your insurance. Many of the people who are voting for Obama don’t pay taxes so what do they care? They can collect their welfare, disability, food stamps, WIC, etc. and get free health care with our hard earned tax dollars. For those of you who do pay taxes and are considering voting for Obama you can get a good idea of how government run health care works by reading up on Canada’s program. Canada has Universal Health Care, but their taxes are also much higher than ours.

Gov. Sarah Palin has surrendered important gubernatorial duties to the Republican presidential campaign. McCain staff are handling public and press questions about actions she has taken as governor. The governor who said, “Hold me accountable,” is hiding behind the hired guns of the McCain campaign to avoid accountability.

wade and dlboggan, you want specifics, I’ll give you specifics. Barack Obama is a nice guy. But,…he is inexperienced, intellectually dishonest, and a con-artist. He associates with people who believe in class-warfare and socialism. He has demonstrated that he has zero understanding of economics, and is clueless on foreign policy. He has NEVER had a real job, managed anything successfully, or met a payroll. Is this the person that you would like to entrust the future of Western civilization to? If so, you will get what you deserve.
All of that being said, the topic of the article was health-care reform. Neither candidate has even mentioned the root cause (much less the solution) of the spiraling costs of health care in this country, and that is…litigation.
Lawsuits, and especially the threat thereof, have caused the price of medical care to skyrocket out of control. This is the 800 lb. gorilla in the living room. To fix the health care system in this country would be very easy. Get rid of lawsuits. The prices would plummet overnight. Why aren’t Obama and/or McCain talking about this?

NorAnder238: Are you for real. Your not a Republican or independent or anything, are you. My God my friend, get a life and stop living in a world of pure lies and hate. Wow, you guys truely scare me when you crawl out of the woodwork. Wow! No one takes you seriously here. On either side.

Here is what I suggest because people get caught up in these descriptions. UNIVERSAL does not mean ALL. But, don’t listen to me GO READ. If you have insurance, then all you need to be worried about is McCain’s plan. He is taxing your employer who potentially may not be able to afford coverage for you anymore.

Someone wrote: “I have insurance. My company provides it. So – Mr. Gov’t – Please leave my benefits the f alone! I am so tired of hearing how people can not ‘afford’ insurance.”
That is great honey, but it’s McCain is the one who will be taxing that coverage for the first time in history. And incase you haven’t noticed it, we are currently in just as much of a crisis with health care as we are financially. Don’t you realize dear that uninsured Americans are indeed already costing you money? I’m sorry that you don’t like sharing, but that is one thing this country is founded on.. Those who feel that way are also the ones who would not lend a hand to their neighbor in time of need or help out someone who is struggling to keep food on their table.
You also said “I’m sick of being told I HAVE to share and it been taken from my pockets.”
Well dear, don’t you realize that you already are sharing, through your taxes. And please realize that both McCain and Obama health plans will cost roughly the same, so either way, you will be paying, and under McCain you will also be getting taxed on that health coverage you are so proud of from your employer. So it’s really a wash dear, you will pay the same, so would you rather see that money going to more Americans or less? I think the choice is pretty easy to see. Think about it hun.. maybe do a little research.
http://www.epi.org/content.cfm/pm126

“But Obama is his mother’s son. In his wide-open rhetoric about what can be instead of what was, you see a hint of his mother’s credulity. When Obama gets donations from people who have never believed in politics before, they’re responding to his ability—passed down from his mother—to make a powerful argument (that happens to be very liberal) without using a trace of ideology. On a good day, when he figures out how to move a crowd of thousands of people very different from himself, it has something to do with having had a parent, his mother, who gazed at different cultures the way other people study gems.
It turns out that Obama’s nascent career peddling hope is a family business. He inherited it. And while it is true that he has not been profoundly tested, he was raised by someone who was.
In most elections, the deceased mother of a candidate in the primaries is not the subject of a magazine profile. But Ann Soetoro was not like most mothers.”….a VERY good portrait of Obama’s mother, from Time Magazine. A good read. ……http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1729524,00.html

Hussein Obama mama tried crack, it’s in his book. He can’t make rational decisions,look at the Gorilla he calls Michelle. What was he thinking? The smart black men get a white woman to make a statement not a silver back. Look at Ice-T he got blonde girl. The kind of white girl the black girls want to beat down because they stole another black man that could have been theirs. All the good black men are on crack, up the crack of the white man, or in prison where they belong. Obama Hussein is no good.

Much of the press attention to the Keating Five focused on the relationships of each of the senators to Keating.
Cranston had received $39,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1986 Senate re-election campaign.[4] Furthermore, Keating had donated some $850,000 to assorted groups founded by Cranston or controlled by him, and another $85,000 to the California Democratic Party.[4] Cranston considered Keating a constituent because Lincoln was based in California.[25]
DeConcini had received about $48,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1988 Senate re-election campaign.[4] In September 1989, DeConcini stated he would return the money.[4] DeConcini considered Keating a constituent because Keating lived in Arizona; they were also long-time friends.[25]
Glenn had received $34,000 in direct contributions from Keating and his associates for his 1984 presidential nomination campaign, and a political action committee tied to Glenn had received an additional $200,000.[4] Glenn considered Keating a constituent because one of Keating’s other business concerns was headquartered in Ohio.[25]
McCain and Keating had become personal friends following their initial contacts in 1981,[11] and McCain was the closest socially to Keating of the five senators.[27] Like DeConcini, McCain considered Keating a constituent as he lived in Arizona.[25] Between 1982 and 1987, McCain had received $112,000 in political contributions from Keating and his associates.[28] In addition, McCain’s wife Cindy McCain and her father Jim Hensley had invested $359,100 in a Keating shopping center in April 1986, a year before McCain met with the regulators. McCain, his family, and their baby-sitter had made nine trips at Keating’s expense, sometimes aboard Keating’s jet. Three of the trips were made during vacations to Keating’s opulent Bahamas retreat at Cat Cay. McCain did not pay Keating (in the amount of $13,433) for some of the trips until years after they were taken, when he learned that Keating was in trouble over Lincoln.[7][29]
Riegle had received some $76,000 from Keating and his associates for his 1988 Senate re-election campaign.[4] Riegle later announced in April 1988 he was returning the money.[6] Riegle’s constituency connection to Keating was that Keating’s Hotel Pontchartrain was located in Michigan.

Jack Carlson said: “But,…he is inexperienced, intellectually dishonest, and a con-artist.”
Those are not specifics, they are un-informed opinions with no factual basis.
“He has demonstrated that he has zero understanding of economics, and is clueless on foreign policy.”
C’mon Jack, that is not specific. It’s more un-informed opinion, and a biased one at that.
“He has NEVER had a real job, managed anything successfully, or met a payroll.”
Now you are the liar – are you saying that teacher’s don’t have “real jobs”:
Beginning in 1992, Obama taught constitutional law at the University of Chicago Law School for twelve years, being first classified as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996, and then as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004.
He was also an attorney Jack:
He also, in 1993, joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a twelve attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was an associate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004
And I suppose these weren’t real jobs either:
Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in early 1993.
He served from 1993 to 2002 on the board of directors of the Woods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund Obama’s DCP, and also from 1994 to 2002 on the board of directors of The Joyce Foundation.
Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge from 1995–2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995–1999.
He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center.
With all due respect Jack, you have not provided any specifics, only more rhetoric.

A poor soul wrote: “Why would ANYONE come up with a plan that jeopardizes those who have health insurance (most of us) to provide insurance for those who do not? ….”
Oh dear, you are confused aren’t you? It is McCain who would be jeopardizing your employer provided health care, not Obama. Quite the opposite actually! Under Obamas health care plan, you are free to continue along without worry! In fact, your employer would enjoy a little extra tax break for doing so. Please dear, do a little research.. those who support McCains plan have not really looked into it very much, and you seem to be one of them!
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122152292213639569.html

dont expect facts from Jack… he never has any

McCain has no plan for the American people. McCain has no agenda to help the regular taxpayer. Tax health care benefits. You will have less companies covering you. Most people are paying for their own healthcare plans and now they will taxed on top of it.
Obama laid out his plan to help the taxpayers. He has a plan for America.
McCain is an angry, bitter, grumpy old Man who was ignorant and ignored both the moderator and Obama and took both his turn to speak and Obama’s also to tell Once upon a time stories that do not help the American people pay any bills. I don’t need a Storyteller !!!! I need a President who has plan to help me and my family !!!!
OBAMA for America.
Eight Years Was Too Much. America will send a message to BUSH and MCCAIN.
YOU IGNORE OUR SUFFERING AND ISSUES FOR EIGHT YEARS, WE WILL IGNORE YOU ON NOVEMBER 4TH. OBAMA/BIDEN FOR 2008

jack carlson: I suggest that you read the following link that debunks your suggestion that controlling medical lawsuits would solve the cost of medical care in the U.S. I also state to you that for those that have to move from Job to Job or fall sick and lose a job or any number of reasons that would force people to lose insurance with no recourse otherwise that you look at Obamas plan v. McCains. McCain give no path for the uninsured except the Emergency room which is not what emergency rooms are for. Obama has the plan, in writing. He also states that you cannot be declined insurance due to previous illnesses, which my wife has been declined for simple knee surgery. Obama’s plan prevents this abuse. Are you willing to gamble on McCains plan without these issues defined? I hope not and I am voting for Obama as is the rest of my family and friends. Get serious my friend and take of the political labels and see what is right for the country. McCain ain’t it. Obama in O8…..

I’m a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight…..
* If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you’re ‘exotic, different.’
* Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, yours is a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you’re a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black
President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that
Registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law
professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over
750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human
Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state
of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs,
Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any
real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6
years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the
governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become
the country’s second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man
in his eighth decade.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful
daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife
and married the heiress the next month, you’re a true Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of
birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex
education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up
pregnant, you’re very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious
Law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to
raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America ‘s.
* If you’re husband is nicknamed “First Dude”, with at least one DWI conviction and
no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a
member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your
family is extremely admirable.
OK, that makes it much more clearer now…

if i was a republican i would be embarassed and outraged to be posting along side of all the racist comments here… but i still don’t think they should delete the racist comments, they are indicitive of the mentality that is against obama… luckily, the ‘surge’ of new voters and change seekers in this country is past the tipping point… obama has a super strong lead, and nimwit palin has done NOTHING to boost her ticket… the only thing palin has shown herself to be strong on is being able to BS her way through a debate that she knew no facts or policy about… it was apparent

NOTE TO OBAMA: Due to the bank bailout bill, universal healthcare cannot be enacted any time soon. We don’t have the money. Even a low-level executive would realize that fact. This is another indication of why you are not prepared to lead. If you attempt to follow through on universal health care, you will bankrupt the United States, the dollar will plummet and people’s savings and retirement accounts will become worthless. Are you still hell-bent to proceed? If so, you are incompetent.

wade_b: Prove Muslim. You can’t unless you go to your extremist website sources and no one pays attention to. Check you Snopes/com and Factcheck.org if you want some truth. They are non-partisan which you are not.

Son – Obama’s health plan is not universally free. A better description is affordable. Free is not an adequate description.

I’m a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight…..
* If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you’re ‘exotic, different.’
* Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, yours is a quintessential American story.
* If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
* Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you’re a maverick.
* Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
* Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.
* If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black
President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that
Registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law
professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over
750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate’s Health and Human
Services committee, spend 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state
of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs,
Environment and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any
real leadership experience.
* If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6
years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the
governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you’re qualified to become
the country’s second highest ranking executive and next in line behind a man
in his eighth decade.
* If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful
daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re not a real Christian.
* If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and then left your disfigured wife
and married the heiress the next month, you’re a true Christian.
* If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of
birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
* If, while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex
education in your state’s school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up
pregnant, you’re very responsible.
* If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious
Law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to
raise a family, your family’s values don’t represent America ‘s.
* If you’re husband is nicknamed “First Dude”, with at least one DWI conviction and
no college education, who didn’t register to vote until age 25 and once was a
member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA, your
family is extremely admirable.
OK, that makes it much more clearer now…

And..you know, people hear what they WANT to hear..

The real problem is that the idea and act of citizenship is, in so many ways and places, dead or dying. We measure and discern the success and direction of government based on how fool-proof life can be made for us; something it was not designed to do nor is it capable of doing. Think about what the cost is to achieve the “perfect results” that the liberals would like to see come to fruition. It’s not just irresponsible, it’s impossible.

Wade_b: My apologies sir. after re-reading your post “properly” I could not agree with you more and I am very fond of our constitution that supports freedom of religion. Thanks…

‘DAMN IT, WILL YOU TELL THEM TO WAIT A MINUTE? I NEED TO FINISH MY SMOKE IN THIS HEAR BATHROOM IN THE WHITEYHOUSE, I’LL BE RIGHT UP THERE FOR THAT MEETING IN A MINUTE! OH TELL MY KIDS TO QUIT SWINGING FROM THE CHANDELIERS TOO! AND DON’T LET ANYONE IN THE LINCOLN BEDROOM, WE ARE HAVING A CRACK PARTY AND GAY SEX!

The McCain camp calls it a “push to government run health care.”
I have worked for the Private and the government and the government health plan is the best. Private compaies make you paid for most of your cost and their coverage is not so great. The government paid 90 percent of the cost and the coverage is great. So, I will say to those of you out there that don’t have coverage government coverage is the best becasue I have it. I am also, a breat cancer paitent and all my treatments have been paid for with my government coverage. I don’t trust the private companies they only look out for their CEOS ONLY!

yep, and then we’ve got his kids swinging on the chandeliers in the White House, while he’s doing coke and sneaking cigs in the bathroom before a meeting. And the revival of affirmitive action, slave reparations and all kinds of horrors.

Palin cited an article in Saturday’s New York Times about Obama’s relationship with Ayers, now 63. But that article concluded that “the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called ‘somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.’ “

No wonder why we are in deep hole because we failed or refused to see the
big difference between the democrats and
republicans. it’s either we are morons or idiots. republicans is bad for america…. they will destroy our freedom and our economy. people with enough intelligence should vote for a straight democratic ticket no question about it. another republican in the white house? ……oh God help us all… we are doomed………

And…I don’t like either party. I am voting for Ron Paul!!!

So Senator Obama called the plan radical. What’s the big deal? Radical is a synonym for maverick, isn’t it?

I don’t agree. Certainly greed and laziness have distorted the system, but the government is not remotely capable of addressing our economy with fairness and nuance in real time. It needs to be done on the nuts-and-bolts level. I really believe that small business is the answer – to improve equity of wealth, to not have all of our financial eggs in one basket, and to enjoy greater diversity. Regulation and taxes choke the life out of small business; those who can’t have a whole army of lawyers and CPA’s to get all the breaks.

Ya all are wasting your time here. Obama will be the next President of the United States. Very little can stop that now.
It only took eight years of lies, war and the total destruction of our economy to do it.
You’d think, as Americans, it wouldn’t have taken so long.
Looks like we’ve got a long way to go. Fortunately, Obama is the right step to getting us there.

My_perogative: Your beliefs and experience are very similar to mine.
My mother grew up dirt poor; wore her brothers clothes to school.
My father grew up in a shack in Benton, KY – the son of a school teacher.
My father worked hard, got a scholarship to Murray State, and became the youngest ever SAC in the history of the DEA.
I share their work ethic, and I too have a hard-won career in I.T.
I too and tired of the abuse of welfare.
But I also realize that there is a real oppression of those that are different; there are economic and social forces that keep many people poor and in the ghetto.
Obama to me represents my work ethic – he rose above his background through hard work and dilligence.
He will be a shining example that you can do it if you TRY; what better way to inspire the black inner city youth to turn away from violence and drugs, and a phony hip-hop culture perpetrated by rich parasites?
And keep in mind – the media does not report on those that NEED welfare.
My father comitted suicide when I was 15, leaving my mother to work 3 jobs just to feed us and keep the lights on.
For a short time, we were on food stamps. My mother was ashamed of this, as were we – but it was necessary at the time.
She has since gone on to earn an MS in communications, worked as as a media relations director at a non-profit, and is now happily retired.
Don’t let the sensationalist stories of “welfare queens” cause you to lose compassion for those that truly need that helping hand.

McCain and Republicans are a bunch of racist intolerant liars. Plain and simple. RACIST RACIST. if you need any evidence of it, look at the RNC and their putting down of community organizers that operate mostly in low income MINORITY communities. All you right wing whack jobs go to hell.
Yea, GOOD STRAIGHT TO HELL! This COUNTRY IS A MINORITY ONE NOW AND YOU WHITES TIME IS UP.

obama the magic negro is going to prison soon.

yah—–i am for obama and biden all the way. no doubt about it. palin what a big joke bimbo. even hef from the playboy mansion will reject her. what a dumb bimbo.

Ahhh the struggle for power! Get your popcorn!

In reference to McCain’s health insurance tax credit, Obama states that 20 million people would lose insurance, but do a little research on this proposal and you will find that about 21 million will then have health insurance. That is 1,000,000 more people with health insurance, isn’t that an improvement? Also, I did the math on my family’s employer provided health insurance, which is terrible ($10,000 per person deductible), with the $5,000 tax credit I could get better insurance than I have now at no additional expense and have better coverage. So, health plans are not a good reason to vote Obama.

Roger Kaleta , no – I just can’t stand the lies spread by the Republicanbots. All of the credible non-partisan sites have already debunked this information. If you had half a brain, you’d go there and read about it – but I’m guessing you don’t want your rigid thought processes to be challenged.

Earthisnotflat, that’s a terrible thing to say. Hate knows no political boundaries.

Republicans don’t believe in helping those who are less fortunate than themselves. They don’t believe that it takes a village to raise a child. Nor do they believe that it should take a village to provide health care to sick kids. They are not their brother’s keeper. That socialism, they cry. Remember when it use to be called Christianity?
Republicans believe in individual responsibility – survival of the fittest – every dog for himself (except when it comes to bailing out Wall Street).

wade_b – Sorry you are right. I am just trying of all this white and black hate. That why I feel Obama will be the best to help put an end to all this racist and this country!

My vote is for John McCain for our health care concerns.

mssmith1234 – i think you are talking about mcsame… HE is the one who due to his fathers connections is in the seat he is in, you must be crazy and no NOTHING about obamas history to say he had a convenient life and NOT say that about mccain!… wow the idiocy is sickening

Obama this is personal, you’re a fraud!
Obama born in Mobassa, Kenya. His true original birth certificate was discovered there. Now, there is a lawsuit against him and the DNC for fraud. Obama refused to produce:
1) a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) Birth Certificate
2) a certified copy of Obama’s Certificate of Citizenship
3) a certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority.
Google: Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083.
Obama come clean with the citizens of this country, produce the documents or leave our country!

not only are the overwhelmning majority of hateful and RACIST comments here towards senator obama, but the fact that you attack ME for pointing it out and NOT criticizing the hateful comments posted before and after your own posts shows you are SYMPATHETIC to them, but don’t want me to mention it in the same breath as ‘republican’… THIS is what people are sick of in this country, hypocritical republican sympathizers and fake patriots who defend haters and RACISTS!

You have no idea what you’re talking about, earthisnotflat. Hate an invalidation are a way of life in modern culture the world-over; it is fallacy to single out a group based on the hate-du-jour that offends your particular sensibilities.

McCain promised $5,000 for a family in savings, Obama promises “up to” $2500 in savings.
McCain wins!

Truc Nguyen: “More or less Obama’s childhood at Muslim countries impacted on his liberal idea.”
Where to start? You want hate? Maybe I should call you “charlie”?
Yeah, that hurts doesn’t it?
America accepts you – regardless of your nationality or religious beliefs.
Even if Obama IS Muslim, he should be given the same tolerance and respect as you.
“We need security and safe to build on economy. I am afraid that with his unknown factors Obama will bring US to end if he is president. At least, US secrets will go to foreign countries”
I will apply the same logic to you, my friend.
“America needs security and safe to build an economy. I am afraid that with Truc’s unknown factors US Secrets will be sent to foreign countries”
Judge not – lest ye be judged.

wade_b: No matter how hard you try to paint yourself with this independent, don’t care about anyone else attitude, you will never be able to avoid the rest of the human race no matter what differences in r beliefs, values or otherwise. It is unavoidable and either you join in and work together to make a difference despite the differences or you will get left behind with no one to care about you but you, yourself, and you. Now, you opinions are important here and you need to share them, but to push everyone aside and state that the rest of us aren’t important just works more against your cause than for it. Obama might be a good example of how to do some of this to present your point of view and that is what makes Obama worth supporting because he CAN bring people of many diversities an opinions together that can make a positive, balanced difference in all of our lives. No one needs to be left out in this and even you can win, if you let it be so. Be the team player, or be the Maverick. Although, with most sports teams, mavericks don’t last very long as the team suffers for it. Get it? I hope so. Keep your values and opinions but be a team player and work for the greater good, not just your own.

Wade, none of those positions qualify as a REAL job, with REAL responsibility and/or accountability. It looks like he has spent alot of time telling other people what to do and how to live, but very little time actually learning how to do so in the first place. You should be terrified of such a person.
He believes in income redistibution by the government. This is not rocket science, it is socialism. The FACT that he refuses TO CALL WHAT IT IS, shows that he is dishonest, period. The FACT that he refuses to publicly acknowledge the truth about his relationships with Rezko and Ayres, proves that he is dishonest and an associate of felons. You are known by the company you keep. This is also a FACT.
My original statements about his character are hereby PROVEN to be factual.

Obama should be out of the presidential race, after the Federal Judge rules on the lawsuit against him. This will be an automatic win for the republicans.
Why didn’t Obama produce his
certified copy of his “vault” Birth Certificate, certified copy of his Certificate of Citizenship and his
certified copy of the Oath of Allegiance taken by Obama taken at the age of majority.
What does Obama have to hide?
Is this the Kenya-gate lawsuit?

Nater:
“You have no idea what you’re talking about, earthisnotflat.
Hate an invalidation are a way of life in modern culture the world-over; it is fallacy to single out a group based on the hate-du-jour that offends your particular sensibilities.”
Why you are criticizing someone for making an observation, does it make you feel morally or intellectually superior somehow?
You could have chosen better words than “you have no idea what you are talking about”, and strangely ironic given the subject matter.
Lighten up Francis.

Jack: “Wade, none of those positions qualify as a REAL job, with REAL responsibility and/or accountability.”
Oh – so teacher’s and lawyer’s don’t have REAL jobs with REAL responsibility; thanks for clearing that up for me.
Pass the pipe Jack, that’s some good stuff you’re smoking.

Jack – any change to a tax plan, and all Presidents have had their own, involve redistributing wealth. So by your definition, they are all socialists. Sorry – but leaving more of my money in my paycheck works for me.
If you believe in guilt by association, no one is going to change your mind. It’s your belief, BUT it is by no standard, A FACT. I guess if a family member received a speeding ticket, you wouldn’t drive with them anymore. Sounds ridiculous, huh?

Thank you “Canadian for Americans”,
It is great not to hear hate coming out of a neighbor’s mouth for once. You can surely laugh at what’s happening in our country and our people I suppose. We have lost leadership for a very long time and that does not help. The wealty elite are pulling puppet strings and they are hard to punish and expose. I don’t understand why we don’t hear about the health care system in your country. It must be intentional by the media one can assume. It seems to really scare people here. We just need to learn more about how it works because ours is way past broken. Again thank you and God bless.

O.J. and Obama can share a cell and soap.

Obama was this the mother that sent you to America to be raised by her parents, when you were very young?
Is this personal attack against McCain for political reasons, not love for your mother?
Obama – will do anything for a vote!

ubiased_libertarian: “Obama’s plan would add 20,000,000 more people to national insurance, all of them illegal aliens.”
The same illegal aliens that are working for corporations, hotel chains, and building your houses?
If you are so concerned about the illegal aliens, then why not go after their EMPLOYER’s.

Felons can’t vote. Ask Scooter Libby. Ask the many many convicted GOP elected pedophiles and scam artist. Maybe you will believe them.

Jack: “BHO has the asylum vote and the prison vote all locked up. He also has the ringing endorsements of Middle Eastern terrorists and the Iranian government.”
Your bunker will protect you. lol
“I am afraid that if Obama loses, we will have riots in the streets and mass suicides.”
Build a stronger bunker, you’ll get through it okay.

jack carlson: Ahh, your just saying that to start an argument, aren’t you? Well, you can remain in your ignorance and your lies and nobody is going to pay attention to you. Your just a nobody with nothing important to say or contribute.

On average, private family health insurance ranges from $600 to $1200 dollars a month, so it depends on what bells and whistles you buy for your family. When it comes to most employer provided benefits, it is also fairly cheap benefit for the employer in comparison to an individual’s costs. Companies can get consolidated health insurance packages that are both discounted and do not require physicals or reliance on individual health histories. This where the bottom line comes in.
Additionally, most companies are allowed a 100% federal tax deduction for costs that they pay out for employee health insurance. There are some exceptions to this rule – s corporations, for example – but for the most part, the rule is that this benefit is completely deductible to employers.
According to McCain own advisors, the real purpose behind the McCain Health Plan is not to help the employees with or individuals but to help businesses to eliminate healthcare cost as part of doing business such with the cost of goods (COGS). Simply put, drive employees away from employer sponsored health plans to private health insurance to enhance the economics for mostly smaller privately owned businesses.
The real losers in the McCain Healthcare Plan are the employees and medium to large employers, for the following reasons;
1.) individuals pay a higher tax on the extra income under an employer sponsor plan.
2.) If the employee goes to a private healthcare plan, the employee loses leverage to negotiate cost based on economies of scale (individual vs. group).
3.) In addition, the $5000 tax credit will not cover all of the employee’s healthcare cost, assuming you want dental care too.
4.) Large companies lose a competitive edge to attract talent based on benefits as well as lose 100% federal tax deduction with 100% conversion to the McCain Healthcare Plan.
The big winners in McCain’s plans are the insurance companies and the government’s ability to tax for revenue. Senator Obama and Senator Biden are making the case by telling it like it is. A tax is a tax.
Just because the McCain-Palin does not tell you about the fine print or possible risk of their Healthcare Plan does not mean they are telling the truth. The truth is in the fine print and risk management.

Threeriverscrossing: “On average, private family health insurance ranges from $600 to $1200 dollars a month, so it depends on what bells and whistles you buy for your family.”
I can testify to that – I had to pay that burden myself for almost 2 years.

Kick Obama out until he proves up he is an American and not from Kenya. His mother may have done a little switch a roo with paperwork on her way to the mainland. Let’s end this controversy and let me know the web site to go to and I’ll blog to others interested in this. I heard this is being investigated by Lars Larson too.

dlboggan said: “But your an intellegent person that can deduce the truth from fact and fiction.
These sort of lies start, most of the time, as a purposeful means to end by any means possible.
Too bad about the loss of our nations credibility to ourselves or the rest of the world.
I am sickened by the extremists in all walks of life and I’m sure the rest of the world is laughing at us, even now. Sad, truly sad.
Hopefully we can start on the right track and not stray from it from the point forward. Well, it’s nice to hope so, anyway.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself.
My father taught me to always question anything I was told; to make sense of it, and consider the source.
We’re all guilty of letting our bias guide us in our judgement; understanding that can help us remain objective I think.
If we need any proof that our education system is NOT teaching our children to think, we need only look at the un-informed, fear-filled posts that populate this blog.
Education in America seems to have de-volved into a rote memorization of facts; we are not teaching our children to rationalize!
Parents: turn off the TV, talk to your kids. Encourage them to read – engage them in debate – CHALLENGE them to form their own INFORMED opinions, and NEVER, EVER accept memorized responses to questions as a sign of intelligence.
Intelligence is not a measure of “fact” or statistics, it is a measure of the ability to REASON, and we as Americans have lost that ability.
We’re fast turning into a nation of legalistic robots, repeating information we have heard by rote, without considering the source or it’s meaning.

Hmm, countryworker: Jump right in here. Your making our point about the close-minded ones among us. You can’t win this one boys and girls. Your barking up the wrong tree and you know it. The proof has been provided for positive citizenship of our future president and your search for something otherwise has been “DEBUNKED”. Your little game is over with. Your lies and poorly attempted deception is grade school at best. By the way, wasn’t McCain born in Panama? Hmm.

Obama’s Kenya-gate:
http://www.obamacrimes.com
READ AND LEARN !!!
If Obama is a natural-born citizen, why won’t he cooperate with the federal court? The DNC and Obama are stalling, WHY?
No Documents – No Vote!

Wade_b: Hear, hear. And Mallory is another case in point to your very discussion. His timing was so very good. LOL: Thanks Mallory for making Wades point so clear to the rest of us.

@ wade_b
Google: Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083
It’s an active case in the Philidelphia Federal Court, check it out. This case was accepted by the judge and then DNC and Obama tried to dismiss the suit. Why didn’t Obama produce the documents as the Federal Judge ordered?
Obama’s Kenya-gate.
No documents-no vote!

McBush Campaign insiders are commenting as regular users. This is one more way that McBush fools us.

You fools that bought into Bidenomics on health care need to get a clue. Because many of you don’t have healthcare you may need to learn something that the rest of us are already aware of, that is, no employer pays for 100% of their employees healthcare benefit. Therefore, those of you crying about $5,000 not covering your entire premium, that is correct. Yes you may actually have to pay a portion of your premium and not get any reimbursement from anyone. Welcome to the real world, with the rest of us, that share our premiums with our employer and still have deductibles, copays, and catastrophic limits, to meet. Further, if our expenses exceed our plan maximums, we are going to have a tough decision to make about treatment and finances. There is no such thing as 100% free health insurance. Someone has to pay that expense. Obama may be telling you that his plan is better, but in the end, he will have to make you pay in order for the plan not collapse under rising healthcare costs and expenses.

@ wade_b
Do you want some salt and pepper to go with that crow…
Judge:
Honorable R. Barclay Surrick
United States District Court Judge
For the Eastern District of PA
Case No:
CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083
This was copied out of the lawsuit print. Read & Learn !!!
Obama and his Kenya-Gate!!!

Kenya – Gate
Obama: put up or shut-up!
DO what the judge ordered!

AB… I know exactly what the health care plan is for government workers is…because I have it. This is the same coverage opportunity Obama wants for those uninsured. No – it’s not free, but it sure beats 1.) not having ANY and #2.) it’s affordable 3.) you have a choice of provider. 4._ it is comprehensive. And best of all, for a family of 4 it does not come anywhere near $600 a month, not even $400. If you want to go without – have at it. But, it beats not having any at all or insurance that is not affordable.

A lot has transpired on this blog since my last post. Most of it pointless. 3rivers had a nice post above on topic. I seem to notice that when the McCain/Palin folks don’t like something they try to start an insult exchange to divert the subject.
McCain’s health plan is a disaster. If we are ever going to fix the problem, it will take a bipartisan effort. Time to stop squabbling and come up with answers. There is a lot that we agree upon that is short of ‘socialized’ medicine (don’t worry, that won’t happen because doctors would not accept it).
I wish folks on here were honest enough to just post what they themselves would want from their healthcare insurance and how much they think they should pay for it. If you are feeling game, come up with ways that would incentivize you personally to take better care of yourself.

wade_b: This insane case about Obama’s birthplace really exists:
http://citizenwells.wordpress.com/2008/09/24/philip-j-berg-lawsuit-obama-files-motion-to-dismiss-dnc-motion-to-dismiss-september-24-2008/
No judge has asked Obama for anything; the whole thing is so deranged that Obama’s lawyers have just asked for it to be dismissed because there is no “plausible claim for relief”.
Excerpts from the motion to dismiss:
I. Allegations of the Complaint
Plaintiff Berg alleges that he is a “Democratic American,” Cmplt. ¶6, and that he is a “Democratic American Citizen.”
¶44. Mr. Berg then alleges that Barack Obama, the Democratic Party’s nominee for President of the United States, is not eligible to serve as President under Article II, section 1 of the Constitution because, Mr. Berg alleges (contrary to fact) that Senator Obama is not a natural-born citizen….. although Mr. Berg’s factual allegations about Senator Obama’s citizenship are ridiculous and patently false, the Court must of course accept them as true for purposes of this Motion.
I’m no legal scholar, and don’t really understand why the Court must accept as true “ridiculous and patently false” allegations for purposes of a motion.

Why do you have to buy health insurance? You are telling the world that USA is a great country. How can it be so when the country don’t care about it’s people. In the small country of Norway we don’t need insurance to be taken care of if we are sick. The hospitals are open for everybody and the healthcare is free for everybody. If you need medicins you don’t have to pay more than 300 dollars per year regardless how much the medicins cost.

There’s nothing positive to be found in this election anyway. Regardless, our liars are better and more honorable than your liars. Vote McCain/Palin 08!

I AM AFRAID OF OBAMA! I took a test online to see if I were a Democrat or Republican. Results showed I was independent. I am 57 year old female and not too much into politics. I have not been able to sleep at night for months because of the nomination of Obama. I am not prejudice and have black friends. I am SCARED to death of Obama. I took one look at him and felt very uneasy. I feel people are being brain washed. I remember when Bill Clinton was on the campaign trail and thinking to myself “he is a womanizer”. I believe Bill did a good job but I also was right about him being a “womanizer”. I think Obama will ruin this country. He smokes 3 packs of cigarettes a day and I feel he is very hyper. (I just quit smoking 2 years ago) I have nothing against smokers…I m not a very religious person but I believe that he is the one that will head us toward the END. He is very inexperienced but that is not my entire concern. I believe that he is a radical and is very very dangerous to this country. I am not a blogger and it pains me to sit a my computer to post this so I sure hope people will hear me. I think it is terrible the way the media plays out against the candidates and tries to ruin them regardless of what party you belong to. Remember, the media killed Princess Diana! If this is what freedom of speech is all about (saying whatever you want about anyone you want) then you can keep it. There is no RESPECT anywhere as far as I am concerned. People protesting and tearing up property outside of conventions, etc. is absolutely pathetic. We are all human beings and live together is supposedly a great country. We are supposed to be proud to be American’s. When we act like we have we are not setting an example to other countries. We need to join together and stop acting like idiots! PLEASE HEAR MY PLEA!

Truc Nguyen said that “Black people look up and Whites try to put down”.
As a white person who grew up poor – I am so sick of being thought of (as a group) as the top 1 percent of the country. You know ALL white people spend their hours each night at home trying to figure out HOW to hold the black man down. How to make sure he can’t get a decent paying job and take care of his own.
NOPE WE DON’T. I do try to figure out how to keep the money I make and not provide to any other group – because I worked for it and it’s mine and I want to use it to stay in a neighborhood that isn’t the hood. I don’t want the Govt giving money to people in the hood so they can live in my neighborhood – because then my neighborhood becomes the hood. (Can take people all oolors out of the hood – can’t take the hood out of the people). I’ve watched my neighborhood change in the past years and sure enough – as the people of color moved in – so did the crime rate move up.
I only want for all people to be accountable and responsible for themselves and their children. If people weren’t on welfare for generation after generation and expect all thing to be free – insurance, food, etc, they’d appreciate what they earned and not mistreat it.
I passed by rental apartments yesterday that have always been for low income folks. Once again, our politicians want to throw money into the inner city to fix these apartments – so they can be rented to low income folks again – who embrace the hood mentality who tear the houses up because it doesn’t belong to them and it’s their right to destroy.
I don’t want the Govt in my hospital or Drs. Office. They mismanage medicare (paying 10 dollars for an aspirin) and if they are involved – Insurance will be higher cause the Drs. still gonna get theirs and the Insurance Company is still gonna get theirs and the Gov’t is going to slice their share out of it. It’s just more hands in the pie.
Just because someone gives birth to a child in this country – doesn’t give them the right to free food, free medical, free (post HS) education…… Things that are free are not appreciated by the masses. Opportunity is often hidden as HARD WORK. Work hard, work smart and if you’re at a company that doesn’t pay for insurance, get trained and find another job. Now – I’d be all about the Gov’t enforcing that more companies (not minimm wage jobs) to provide assistance in paying premiums for insurance. Minimum wage job folks – you just gotta get educated and move on to something better. Min wage jobs should only be for teens in school or 2nd jobs for extra money – not to LIVE and take care of families.

Nothing is FREE. That includes healthcare. If you don’t pay for healthcare, someone else is paying for you and that someone else is the taxpayers. The facility where you get your healthcare cost, the people that provice the healthcare cost, the equipment and machines cost, the staff costs, the medicines cost, nothing is free. If you do not have healthcare insurance and can purchase it with up to $5000 credit you are getting a good deal. I have insurance with an employer and I pay 22% the employer pays the rest and I pay a little under $1200 dollars in premiums. So that inflated $12,000 figure does not hold up everywhere because this is my second state with same employer with a national plan.
Meanwhile when my kids go to the doctor, I pay for less service while others get better service free. Has your doctor ever told you if your kid was on govt healthcare he would run a test but because you aren’t they are not because the insurance might not pay for it? Well, I have. If you want insurance, you will have to pay for it and $5,000 is plenty, let me repeat, plenty money to purchase health insurance.
Unlike people on govt give aways, I have a deductible per family member of $400 up to a cap. That would be an additional $1600 out of my pocket. Co-pays for lab fees, prescriptions, emergency room treatment, are ridiculously high. I had a kid with a fever of 104 over a weekend, took her to the emergency room waited for hours to see a doctor for 10 minutes because her primary care doctor refused to call in a prescription for antibiotics. My share of that episode was nearly $500 dollars as the hospital and the 10 minute doctor claims they are separate entities so I had to pay them both. I thought it was an emergency apparently the insurance plan didn’t. Meanwhile the emergency room was filled with people on govt plans seeking regular treatment.
I wish I had some fairy godtaxpayer paying my premiums, or some fairy godpolitician helping me with my costs, but I don’t it is me and my wallet and I am not rich. If $5000 isn’t enough it is better than nothing at all and it is better than I get and way less than the 100% free giveaway that many others get.

Senator McCain proposes shifting $3.6 trillion in current tax breaks given to employers for paying their portion of employees’ health insurance costs to individuals, who would then be taxed on these funds (New York Times, 5/1/2008). Individuals would then need to secure their own health insurance without the benefit of collective bargaining to negotiate coverage or group discount rates to keep plan costs down. Employers, losing trillions of dollars in tax breaks, will likely make sharp cuts in hiring, salaries, and benefits to compensate.
The national average cost of a family policy is $12,106. Employers pay on average $8,824 of that amount. (New York Times, 5/1/2008). Employees typically pay the remainder via pre-tax dollars, reducing their overall tax burden. Individual policies will be more costly than these group plans and the proposed tax benefit ($2500 for an individual or $5,000 for a family) would barely begin to cover even the current group plan cost. McCain’s proposal also assumes that people won’t be forced to spend the rebate on other more immediate items, such as heating fuel, gas, food, etc.
As someone who was forced to seek individual coverage for my family several years ago, I can say this is an awful deal. I paid almost 3 times the group rate, with terrible benefits and a high deductible.
Since that time, I’ve earned my MD. From the other side, I can see that McCain’s plan would likely increase the number of uninsured people visiting the emergency room for their primary care, their conditions more severe for the lack of preventative care, putting further strain on our health care system. McCain’s plan includes radical new deregulation, that would leave out uninsured those people with pre-existing conditions (Washington Post, 4/30/2008) – some of the largest users of health care resources and the majority of our increasing elderly population; the difference will be partially paid by those with insurance.
McCain’s proposal is bad for the middle class, bad for individuals, bad for health care providers and hospitals, bad for employers, and bad for America. He proposes to deregulate health insurance rather than even attempt to fix the problems. This approach didn’t work on Wall Street and won’t work where people’s health and very lives are at stake. McCain’s proposed health care policy may be shaped in part by his close connections with Wayne Berman, the vice-chair of Mr. McCain’s campaign and his national finance co-chairman – a long-time lobbyist for health insurance and oil companies and Fannie Mae (Hartford Courant, 9/14/2008; Mother Jones 9/25/2008).
This tactic might be beneficial for large insurance companies, who could decrease coverage while increasing prices and profit margins. You, however, might be on your own.

Martha J: “Do you want some salt and pepper to go with that crow…”
Aha – the truth comes out – you are referring to a CIVIL ACTION.
Let me clue you in on something: anybody can sue anybody for damn near anything.
You seem to not understand that we have a CRIMINAL JUSTICE system; for you to refer to an agenda-driven frivolous lawsuit as evidence of a crime truly shows your ignorance.

Elaine Farrell: Your not for the U.S. are you. You really can’t be for real by making up that bull. Man, you wierd ones really come out of the woodwork when your running scared and make up anything possible to win by any means. I hope you stay in you hole. I hope I never meet you in public. Scary!

My_Perogative: Being from a poor background seems to have made you prejudice towards those with less and those less successful than you. You need some balance in you life my friend. Try volunteering to help those with less than yourself. I don’t mean writing a check and sending it through the mail. You might try meeting and working with the very people you detest so much. It might help your perspective. At the end of your life, how do you want to add up your accomplishments and what was your purpose for being here. Is it going to be all about you or did you achieve something that may provide you true confort while you die. Hmm. Scary thought. I would not want to be in your shoes.

I have just been diagnosed with kidney failure. I am about to go on dialysis.
With that pre-existing condition, I cannot purchase individual health insurance from anybody anywhere. I’m no longer “insurable.”
What happens to me under the McCain plan?

“I have just been diagnosed with kidney failure. I am about to go on dialysis.
With that pre-existing condition, I cannot purchase individual health insurance from anybody anywhere. I’m no longer “insurable.”
What happens to me under the McCain plan?”
you’ll be better off, because your hero Obama is going to take your money and send it to the UN Global Poverty Tax Fund and other organizations,
and you’ll die of kidney failure.

yep, and then we’ve got his kids swinging on the chandeliers in the White House, while he’s doing coke and sneaking cigs in the bathroom before a meeting. And the revival of affirmitive action, slave reparations and all kinds of horrors.

Incorporated insurance companies means that share holders expect that the insurance company makes 15% more than it did the year before. This means that insurers have to either increase there rates or provide fewer services. This is an immoral way to run health care. They should be forced to operate under a fixed profit model and return to the customers any money that exceeds their fixed profit limit.

John McCain proposes a number of initiatives that can lower health care costs. If we act today, we can lower health care costs for families through common-sense initiatives. Within a decade, health spending will comprise twenty percent of our economy. This is taking an increasing toll on America’s families and small businesses.
Cheaper Drugs: John McCain will look to bring greater affordability and competition to our drug markets through safe re-importation of drugs and faster introduction of generic drugs.
Chronic Disease: Chronic conditions account for three-quarters of the nation’s annual health care bill. By emphasizing prevention, early intervention, healthy habits, new treatment models, new public health infrastructure and the use of information technology, we can significantly reduce these costs. We should dedicate more federal research to treating and curing chronic disease.
Coordinated Care: Coordinated care – with providers collaborating to produce the best health care for the patient – offers better outcomes at lower cost. We should pay a single bill for high-quality care which will make every single provider accountable and responsive to the patients’ needs.
Greater Access And Convenience: Families place a high value on quickly getting simple care. Government should promote greater access through walk-in clinics in retail outlets.
Information Technology: John McCain will promote the rapid deployment of 21st century information systems and technology to improve patient safety, enhance quality and lower costs.
Medicaid And Medicare: John McCain will reform the payment systems in Medicaid and Medicare to compensate providers for diagnosis, prevention and care coordination. Medicaid and Medicare should not pay for preventable medical errors or mismanagement. We also need to implement a zero tolerance policy towards Medicare and Medicaid fraud that is increasingly stripping away resources from the sick and the elderly.
Smoking: John McCain will promote the availability of smoking cessation programs. Most smokers would love to quit but find it hard to do so. Working with businesses and insurance companies to promote availability, we can improve lives and reduce associated chronic diseases through smoking cessation programs.
Tort Reform: John McCain will lead the fight for medical liability reform that eliminates lawsuits directed at doctors who follow clinical guidelines and adhere to proven safety protocols. Every patient should have access to legal remedies in cases of bad medical practice but that should not be an open invitation to endless, frivolous lawsuits that drive up health care costs for everyone and make the practice of medicine unaffordable for good doctors everywhere.
Transparency: John McCain believes we must make information on treatment options and doctor records more public, and require greater transparency regarding medical outcomes, quality of care, costs and prices. We must also facilitate the development of national standards for measuring and evaluating treatments and outcomes.
Reforms To Make Health Insurance Innovative, Portable And Affordable
Health Care Costs: John McCain will reform health care making it easier for individuals and families to obtain insurance. Americans are working harder and longer, yet the amount workers take home in their paychecks is not keeping pace because of rising health care costs. An important part of his plan is to use competition to improve the quality of health insurance with greater variety to match people’s needs, lower prices, and promote portability. Families should be able to purchase health insurance nationwide, across state lines.
Making the Tax Subsidy Fair: By making the tax code more equitable and transparent, John McCain will give every family a refundable tax credit – cash towards insurance – of $5,000 (Individuals receive $2,500). Every family in America, regardless of the source of their insurance or how much they make will get the same help. Families will be able to stay with their current plan, or choose the insurance provider that suits them best and have the money sent directly to the insurance provider.
Making Insurance More Portable: Americans need insurance that follows them from job to job. Too many job decisions today are controlled by a fear of losing health care. Americans want insurance that is still there if they retire early and does not change if they take a few years off to raise the children. John McCain will lead the reform for portable insurance.

Obama didn’t respond to Mccain’s fine charges for people who don’t buy health insurance. many people who lose their jobs CAN’T afford health insurance so why should THEY be fined when ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS get FULL COVERAGE AND DON’T PAY A DIME? Adults with pre existing conditions have it WORSE because THEY are always the first DENIED health insurance. NO INSURANCE MANDATES!! You don’t have car insurance you don’t drive. You don’t keep paying car insurance!
Also: Why does McCain keep referencing Teddy Roosevelt? He was a BULL MOOSE NOT A REPUBLICAN!!
NO CITIZEN should NOT be penalized for being too poor to afford health insurance!

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