Oh, That Joe! (No. 36 in a Series) — Muzzled Joe Biden Jokes About Getting Off-Message

Obama, if you win, PLEASE DON’T DIE!

Biden is A real Guy A human whats the Matter The Canidates cant be Human They cant Make Mistakes? pluzzzeeeee

Biden and Obama: Highly qualified, proven it time and time again.
Palin and McCain: Highly Empty Suite, proven it time and time again.

I really do love Joe Biden. I’m so glad we will have a VP we can be proud of, hopefully.

I figure they have a shock collar on him and every time he starts to venture off “zapppp”

GEE EVIL
And look at your Canidates, Mccain calling out people in his Rally that isnt Even there,Palin seeing Russia from her House, she Doesnt even know the Job of the VP. Not things to be proud of! not to Mention Mccain having people beat the crap out of themselves carving their face, I would be Embaressed to be supporting That Circus!

There will be a few bright spots if Obama wins.
We can count on Biden to entertain us and be a constant embarrassment to the administration.
And it will be fun to watch Obama’s approval ratings sink to the level of Pelosi, Reid, Dodd, and Barney.
Life has a way of bringing the arrogant to their knees. Let’s call that justice for what they will do to our country.

“Hey you Show-me-stste folks…how ya like that bancruptcy reform bill I helped pass? You folks know the one…where the credit card companies that paid me off get in line before child support payments!”

I can never get too much of Joe. We need a VP who can tell a few good jokes after the 8 year rein of Darth Vader.

All of you BO worshippers be sure to give half of your kid’s Halloween candy to the kids that didn’t go out and earn their own.
BO’s thugs will be after you if you don’t comply.

Good Lord. Now you’re reporting on Biden NOT making gaffees? Isn’t there anything else happening today?
Hasn’t Sarah Palin called Obama a witch or something? Called for exorcism? Told us where in Alaska we need to go to be safe until the Rapture comes?

LaPeptomaine…McCain will be on his knees….thanking God he won because when McCain wins, God wins..no more baby killing!!!

Under 0bama, anyone who “goes off his message” – disagreeing with him – can and will be shut off.
Yes, He Can.
Long Live our Dearest Leader 0bama.

Finally, the Chicago tribune today picked up the Obama birth certificate story. This paragraph is most striking:
“Contacted Wednesday, Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo cited Hawaii state privacy laws and guidance from the state attorney general in saying she was not permitted to confirm the authenticity of the certificate released by the Obama campaign.”
So, no one has really confirmed the authenticity of the document. The Factcheck. org did not have the capacity and credentials for this job either. FEC recently said in their court filing that FEC does not have the judicial authority to check for Obama’s citizenship.
So, what is going on here? who is responsible to enforce Constitution. Why Obama refused to release anything that is “original” — a computer generated record, whose authenticity is still not proven, should not count.
Will the MSM do their job?

AMY
Watching a little Fox news today or Listening to a little Limbaugh?

SAMINCHIU
Do you net Profit a Quater of a millon dollars a year?

“Finally, the Chicago tribune today picked up the Obama birth certificate story.”
And they characterized it as a debunked rumor.
“Conservative critics have suggested that Obama may have been born outside the U.S. and is not a “natural born citizen” eligible for the presidency. But they present no evidence that he was born anywhere other than Hawaii.”
The lesson as always? Right wingers lie.

“The USA was created because of unfair, did I hear the word “unfair”, taxation among other reasons.”
The phrase is taxation without representation.
Are you saying the wealthy going to have less of a voice in government after their 3% tax hike?
Or are you yet another right winger who apparently has pieced together their historical knowledge from Mike Savage rants.

SAM
Then quit your *****ing and start telling us your canidates plans for the Middleclass?

Jake: This is too easy for you. Instead of focusing on Biden’s gaffs, you should focus on Obama’s background. It would be more helpful to your readers. But of course, that is the last thing on your mind. You’re thinking of your own future, as usual.

Jake:
Would you please find out what a Civilian Security Force is and why Obama thinks we need one? What will it do? How will it be funded? Etc. etc.
Thanks!

RYAN C
They have A problem reading, A learning disability, Thats why Palin wont release her Medical Records BETCHA she has a learning disability with 4 Colleges and 6 years why would anyone think different?

SAMINCHIU
Why are you not telling me Mccains plans, Perhaps he has none, or Perhaps he wants to Continue W Bush plans? I am waiting for you Mccain supporters to tell me his plans. I know hes gonna tax our Health Insurance for the first time ever, What about Education I never hear from him but then again reading his supporters post I can understand why he doesnt talk about Education

Angie
Maybe their are the greedy oil execs.

FACT CHECK
If you dont make that then dont worry you dont have to Surrender anything until you do then complain!

factcheck
It is a lie and you know it. By McCains definition, Clinton, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Palin are all socialist. Remember Palin taxed the oil companies earnings and gave to Alaskans. Taking their hard earnings and spreading the wealth to Alaskans.

Angie said: My Kids is none of your Business!
Since you are so fond of attacking those, who don’t attack you, but state their opinions, I feel compelled.
Perhaps you should worry more about education, by the way you worded that statement.

MM,
THE POINT IS TO CHANGE IT
- carved on Karl Marx’s tombstone
Revolution We Can Believe In!
- Chairman Mao Zedong
Change We Can Believe In!
- Barack 0bama
All for the common good of the our great society.

I bet the Mccain Supporters here on Board are Probably the Same people who think Bush has done a great Job and there are wmds in Iraq

It is a lie and you know it. By McCains definition, Clinton, Roosevelt, Reagan, and Palin are all socialist. Remember Palin taxed the oil companies earnings and gave to Alaskans. Taking their hard earnings and spreading the wealth to Alaskans.
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Because neither McCain, nor Palin plan to nationalize everything from 401k’s to health care, to oil companies. All espoused, or planned by Democrats.
Obama wants to plan a civilian national security force, equal to our military? Why?
As for how will we all be rich? We shouldn’t think that way. This is the United States of America…and no country in the world has made all their citizens rich. Socialism, if you did a research on it, only leads to dependence, unemployment, and higher taxes…and that is what’s going to happen.
Just last week, in the UK, it was discovered that Englands national health care, was paying doctors to NOT send people to the hospital, because the system is going broke. If you’re old…forget health care. You’re old, and don’t need it. If your an infant, no worries. Obama votes against protecting those born alive from botched abortions.
If you want to be rich…go be rich…but I guarantee you…under Obama’s plans, of taxing wealth at a certain limit, no one will want to be rich, and those that are, will take measures to lower their income, even if that means laying off their workers.
But under Obama’, any shot, at achieving, and trying to make life better for yourself, and your family, will only be deterred because of those tax hikes.

I Recall Mccain saying at one time Well if you cant pay your Mortgage or Pay for college dont Whine get a second Job
and JEANIE Mccain never talks about Education he only talks about Obama
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Obviously you didn’t watch the debates..and perhaps you should have.

okay well what has McCain said about education because I haven’t heard it and I’ve been bogged down in this election. Can any GOP supporters tell me his plan to lower costs for higher education?

“If you want to be rich…go be rich…but I guarantee you…under Obama’s plans, of taxing wealth at a certain limit, no one will want to be rich, and those that are, will take measures to lower their income, even if that means laying off their workers.”
We’ve already begun planning for this if Obama is elected. Charitable contributions will continue to take a hit as we “eeevil hoarders of wealth” find shelter.

republican agenda = same as usual ,never changes much = lie ,connive, hype ,spin ,etc = sop for lying pos republicans

Ryan C – actually case was kicked b/c the court said Berg didnt have standing to raise a challenge … they could have dismissed on the merits, they could have said we did our own factfinding and are satisfied … instead they said the rules regarding standing have to present an actual/concrete harm and Obama’s ineligibility to be President doesnt present such a harm since plaintiff can vote for someone else, and since the court cannot ascribe the harm to all registered voters.
Interesting take. Still the SupCt — who knows. Maybe this will be another year where the Court decides who’s president.
Does make you wonder why Obama et al didnt put an end to everything by simply presenting to the court the proof, instead of relying on legal arguments that the court didn’t have subject matter jurisdiction to hear the case.

Oh no! They’ve shut Biden up. John McCain is screwed… ;)

Jeanie,
The only time McCain spoke of education in any of the 3 debates was when directly asked about education. Obama mentioned education several times.
Obama also said this “I support charter schools and pay for performance for teachers. Doesn’t make me popular with the teachers union.”
Since you said you watched the debates, I assume you heard this. Which makes me wonder why you implied Obama had the opposite position.

“actually case was kicked b/c the court said Berg didnt have standing to raise a challenge … they could have dismissed on the merits, they could have said we did our own factfinding and are satisfied”
That is why you are not a lawyer.
From the judge:
“Various accounts, details and ambiguities from Obama’s childhood form the basis of Plaintiff’s allegation that Obama is not a natural born citizen of the United States. To support his contention, Plaintiff cites sources as varied as the Rainbow Edition News Letter … and the television news tabloid Inside Edition. These sources and others lead Plaintiff to conclude that Obama is either a citizen of his father’s native Kenya, by birth there or through operation of U.S. law; or that Obama became a citizen of Indonesia by relinquishing his prior citizenship (American or Kenyan) when he moved there with his mother in 1967. Either way, in Plaintiff’s opinion, Obama does not have the requisite qualifications for the Presidency that the Natural Born Citizen Clause mandates. The Amended Complaint alleges that Obama has actively covered up this information and that the other named Defendants are complicit in Obama’s cover-up.”
From a law blog
“A judge’s attitude toward the factual foundation of a plaintiff’s claims is an essential factor in understanding just who indeed has standing to sue.”

Cliff ,good luck. make any plans you like ,we liberals will soon be making new liberal tax laws and regulations that will make you sorry you were born if we catch you breaking them ,eg;the enron shuffle .
and please mr soon-to-be-in-the-minority-for-probably-aloooooooong-time , dont forget who will be making the laws and legislation for the next 4-12 years.not any republicans ,thats for sure.
additionally ,did you know that the liberals will get to appoint new federal judges? and probably appoint (with a lockstep voting house/senate) at least one or two supreme court justices? you must not be smart enough to read between the lines , because if you were Cliffy ,youd already be packed up and moving.
BWHAHAHAAHa!!!
theres still time though. haiti looks like the place for you ,low low taxes and you take care of EVERYTHING YOURSELF ,build your own roads, bridges ,hire your own fire dept and police etc…. just the way you republicans like it… and dont come back.thanks…

“Cliff ,good luck. make any plans you like ,we liberals will soon be making new liberal tax laws and regulations that will make you sorry you were born if we catch you breaking them…”
No broken laws – just massive job losses, double-digit inflation and an outflow of investment capital into less confiscatory places.
If libs do take charge, it’ll be Jimmy Carter Part Deux all over again. Anyone old enough to remember those days? Ahh, good times…

ANTI PIE PIPER
I belive what you Just stated has Already happened but on Big Bushes watch

These statements the RNC and conservative faithful are making are not true. They keep saying these false things about Obama because they feel if they keep saying them, people will believe them and not feel the need to research the issues. I beg of Virginians to please look at the issues.
First, what is really bothering me is this notion that being a muslim automatically qualifies you as a terrorist. Obama is not a muslim and proclaimed his christianity faith and there are folks who try to say he’s a muslim. I know, as much christians should, that simply a name can’t reveal the faith you have inside your heart. Obama says he is christian and I believe him because I know that God knows his heart and will know if he is lying. Even if he was Muslim, that does not disqualify him from holding public office in America. We are supposed to be the land of the FREE home of the BRAVE, not discriminating because of the religion they choose to support. As Collin Powell stated, it shouldn’t matter if he is muslim.
Secondly, to the notion that he will ‘raise taxes’. Most people around this area do not make more than $250,000/ year so your taxes will not be raised. Also, we have seen what the current Bush tax code has done for America~ nothing but increase debt and decrease job opportunity. John McCain has said nothing about the types of jobs be plans to create because of course he doesn’t has a plan. His plan is to keep up in this economic crisis as long as he can by not changing the tax code and the regulations.
The Iraq war has also shown the ability of a nation to cause an even bigger problem and the stubbornness not to fix the issue. Why are we still spending 10 billion dollars a month in Iraq while they enjoy a surplus?? Where is Osama Bin Laden? It doesn’t matter if the surge worked if we went into the wrong country for the wrong reasons.
John McCain also plans to tax health care benefits for the first time EVER! Why would America allow him to do this when experts say 20 million Americans can lose their employee provided health care benefits w/ John McCains new plan? Why would we let this happen if we know that health care is already a commodity in this nation and more people need it. 882 million dollars from Medicare will be cut if John McCain takes office which means worse health care for Americans.
John McCain hasn’t also talked about making college affordable for American youth. The latest study said that tuition rates rose 6.4% in the past year! Obama has offered a tax credit to those who want a higher education to better themselves as Americans (opportunity). John McCain has no plan to help the American youth and the majority who can’t afford to pay tuition to colleges. How can we grow as a nation when we aren’t properly educated?
Obama has also talked about leading the world in the innovation and creation of green jobs to help clean up the environment. Everyone understands you can’t fix the energy problem with drilling alone. Also, we’ve forgotten about the pollution in the air that is clogging up our lungs and harming the future Earth. Why as Americans would we stand by and watch the Earth be destroyed as we steal more resources from the Earth instead of leading the march towards renewable energy? Then we could also outsource the technology to other nations to make even more profit. Obama has it is his plans but McCain is still stuck with the same policies!
John McCain has said he’s different than President Bush but he hasn’t put forth any policies that would rid us of the past 8 years.
People who will vote for Obama know the value of the American values that the Republicans left behind. It’s time to recover the glory of being American and return this nation to its greatest days. We need to move forward, not look behind. John McCain and his party are stuck in the past; Real Americans and Virginians are looking toward the future!

Sanctuary cities for illegal immingrants, 20 million of them, which Obama supports. I do hope it is your city, not mine.

if libs do take charge? hahaha. keep holding out hope chucky , youd be right at home at the alamo…
look at it this way though , if mccain DOES by some unforeseen miracle win ,what meaningful legislation do you think will occur with a democratic majority in place in the house and senate? duh…
anyway ,your gloom and doom forecasts ie; sop republican propaganda scare tactics scare no one anymore. how can anyone be scared ? this country is currently DEEP IN THE TANK DUDE!!IT CANT GET MUCH WORSE!!! WHAT PLANET/PRIVATE IDAHO ARE YOU ON/IN?
and dont blame carter for the mess he inherited , mainly from 12 years or republican lies and conniving…(I AM NOT A CRIMINAL) yeah right!poor guy made up a lot of ground that the idiot reagan ended up getting credit for ,the intellectual moron that he was with his voodoo economics that NO UNBIASED ECONOMIST WOULD EVER OR HAS EVER ENDORSED!!!
oh and i seem to remember another democratic president who balanced the budget in 4 years or so…along with stopping ww3 in the balkans among other things…
oh i remember now though, you are the rich guy who has plenty so you havent felt the slightest tickle when prices for food and fuel ,rent etc go up , no you just fire someone so your profit margin remains the same or goes up even. so typically republican ,but guess what buddy? ITS OVER…YOUR TAXES ARE GOING WAY UP ,AND YOULL BE PENALIZED ON YOUR TAXES FOR LAYING OFF WORKERS. BUSINESS GOES UNDER? GOOD , SOMEONE ELSE WILL TAKE OVER IF THERES A PROFIT TO BE MADE , IF NOT THEN THE BUSINESS NEEDED TO FOLD TO BEGIN WITH.
REPUBLICANS LISTEN UP!! PAY UP NOW OR MOVE ON OUT!! JUST REMEMBER ONE DAY AFTER NOV 4TH…APR 15TH = PONY UP TIME

Obama says he wants to lower taxes and that’s great. Bush did it during his first term and it helped pull us out of recession rather quickly. However the Bush tax cuts were more broadbased than the plan Obama is touting. Bush chose to lift all boats. Obama is choosing to take more from one group of people, in order to give to another.
Obama then compounds the problem by introducing a laundry list of spending priorities that leaves people who do the math scratching their heads as to how he’ll pay for it all w/o ballooning our national debt even further.
Obama even admits the federal deficit will take a back seat to implementing some of his programs. That’s not the change we need. It’s an economic poison pill for our economy.
John McCain says he’ll aggressively cut wasteful government spending. And if you look back at his overall voting record throughout his years in the Senate, I think you’ll see a consistent position that’s fiscally conservative.

“IT CANT GET MUCH WORSE!!!”
Oh yes it can. Please go back and review the Jimmy Carter years.

The man who served as the no. 2 official in Saddam Hussein’s air force says Iraq moved weapons of mass destruction into Syria before the war by loading the weapons into civilian aircraft in which the passenger seats were removed.
The Iraqi general, Georges Sada, makes the charges in a new book, “Saddam’s Secrets,” released this week. He detailed the transfers in an interview yesterday with The New York Sun.
If you recall, Kurds died at the hands of Saddam, using these chemical weapons.

Senator Obama voted four billions in corporate giveaways to the oil companies,” said McCain in an apparent reference to a 2005 energy bill that Bush pushed through Congress.
“I voted against it,” the Arizona Republican said.
The legislation included nearly $3 billion in tax breaks for the oil and natural gas industry including some — but not all — that would benefit the largest oil producers such as Exxon Mobil Corp. It also had $11.4 billion in tax incentives for alternative energy and efficiency programs, cited by Obama as his reason for supporting the legislation

ROFLMAO.
Jeanie believes the right wing fantasy of secreted WMDs.

“The legislation included nearly $3 billion in tax breaks for the oil and natural gas industry including some — but not all — that would benefit the largest oil producers such as Exxon Mobil Corp. It also had $11.4 billion in tax incentives for alternative energy and efficiency programs, cited by Obama as his reason for supporting the legislation”
So John McCain proudly voted against an energy bill that gave nearly 4 times the tax incentives for alternative energy as it did for big oil.
Thanks pied piper for unwittingly making Obama’s case for him.

Cliff ,lets use the most recent democratic presidents record ok? not one thats 25 years old…
(crickets chirping…)
now shhh and go call your accountant. be prudent!! dont wait!! its coming !!
and to the other posters comment, i could care less about getting any money personally ,however it just delights me to no end to see republicans pulling their hair out and hatefully mindlessly biting the nearest object like a rabid dog at even the THOUGHT they might have to pay more taxes…Bwhahaahaha!! great entertainment no doubt…
I LOVE IT !!! WOOOOOHOOOOOO !!!PAY UP BIG TIME LOSER REPUBLICANS OR MOVE OUT!! WOOOOHOOOOOOOOO!!

The true mark of a good leader is one who has the courage to make some tough decisions and then stick by them when popular opinion is against them. Obama changes with the political winds. In 2001 when asked about running for National office he said without experience he isn’t the guy. I guess his short time in the Senate changed all that.

The true mark of a good leader is one who has the courage to make some tough decisions and then stick by them when popular opinion is against them. Obama changes with the political winds. In 2001 when asked about running for National office he said without experience he isn’t the guy. I guess his short time in the Senate changed all that.
Posted by: Anti Pied Piper | Oct 30, 2008 4:40:50 PM
** Um where have you been? John McCain voted AGAINST the Bush tax breaks. Now he supports them. Sounds like a flip flopper to me!

Cliff
They are still hearing the flute of the Pied Piper. It stops playing on Nov 5. They will then wake up when the media goes in high gear and say what have I done. I fell for the HYPE.
We will be here to listen to them then.

VA is for blue
You need to look at why he voted against bills. Most had extra spending that he is against. He has said that, and would do the same as President. Will Obama. He got pork for 1 Million for the hospital his wife worked at. In total 900+ million in pork. Will he be against it now as President. I can hear Pelosi and Reid now.

VA is for blue
Also McCain has repeatedly said to check his record. Pbama never once or you see a lot of votes listed as present. That means he doesn’t want to take a stand at all. That way nothing comes back to bite him. Great leadership potential.

“The lady reporter in Florida kind of got to Joe”
You mean the one whose husband is a Republican media consultant?

btw chuck ,i am getting a TAX CUT.not big , but enough so that it infuriates people like you.btw ,thanks!! i will spend it wisely ,probably get an i pod or a new camera or something …
sorry that you are getting a TAX INCREASE.(well not really…tee hee!)
actually i am hoping the democrats lock the upper level tax increases in for 12 or so years , so that the republicans will all feel like moving away to peru or somewhere (as we freeze their offshore assets they are hoping no one knows about )
then the rest of us who love this country will take over the businesses the greedy tax evading corporations left for dead and make a better american dream a reality for the majority ,that is the hard working american middle and lower classes ,not the elite rich minority who largely dont have a clue what real work is and could care less about america past it being a meal ticket to success and wealth/power.
thats my optimistic take on it chuck. i think things will be hunky dory so lets just see ok?
REPUBLICANS , YOUR CORRUPT DAYS ARE DONE!!
STICK A FORK IN YOU AND YOUR LOW BROW PARTY!!

“He got pork for 1 Million for the hospital his wife worked at.”
The earmark he requested for the Chicago hospital where Michele works did not go thru.
The lesson as always? Most right wingers lie.

Jeanie
Your a drone spewing meaningless crap. Palin is guilty of what you are accusing and so is Reagan but I guess Republicans have selective amnesia.

Anti Pied Piper
Someone fed you false talking points. Obama said Iran is not grave threat compared to Russia. Iran no nukes, Russia plenty nukes….. I guess some people can’t add.

Ryan C (That One)
I know of couples whith children who payed in 2000 in taxes and got back checks for 6000. How do you account for that.

“In an early speech he called Iran a tiny insignificant country without enough power to hurt us.”
Without a sense of irony, pied piper repeats a John mcCain ad that was debunked.
Obama’s actual words
“Strong countries and strong presidents talk to their adversaries. That’s what Kennedy did with Khrushchev. That’s what Reagan did with Gorbachev. That’s what Nixon did with Mao. I mean think about it. Iran, Cuba, Venezuela – these countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose a serious threat to us the way the Soviet Union posed a threat to us. And yet we were willing to talk to the Soviet Union at the time when they were saying we’re going to wipe you off the planet.”

“I know of couples whith children who payed in 2000 in taxes and got back checks for 6000. How do you account for that.”
Considering you have lied a half dozens times in just as many posts, why should anyone believe you?

“1) and provide a tax credit — so he simultaneously tries to break this awful system where work gives you insurance, and insurance prices are geared around selling comprehensive packages to employers. Great – unless you lose your job or retire. ”
ROFLMAO…John McCain would be very upset. He has repeatedly denied claims that his plan would end employer based healthcare.

“Posted by: Anti Pied Piper | Oct 30, 2008 5:01:48 PM”
I have five kids and I got a huge tax cut and a rebate check. I put most of it right back into the economy. I refurnished our living room, remodeled a bathroom AND had enough left over to pay off my credit card debt!
It was sweeet…

Anti Pied Piper
Thank you for proving our point.

I CANT WAIT FOR APR 15TH!
THIS YEAR I GET A TAX CUT !!!WOOOOHOOOOO!!!
PLUS ,AS AN ADDED BONUS I GET TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO REPUBLICANS WHINE AND CRY ABOUT THE EXTRA TAXES THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO PAY TO SUPPORT THIS GREAT NATION OF IMMIGRANTS THAT ALLOWED/ALLOWS THEM TO PROFIT IN THE FIRST PLACE ,EVEN THOUGHT THEY ARE MOSTLY GREEDY SOBS WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THIS NATION AND THE “LITTLE PEOPLE”.
APR 15 YOU GET YOURS REPUBLICANS!! FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 8 OR 12 APR 15THS!!! MUAHAHAAHAHA!!

“Anything but their failed cowboy diplomacy that has produced no results is called appeasement,” Obama countered. “Here’s the truth: the Soviet Union had thousands of nuclear weapons and Iran doesn’t have a single one. But when the world was on the brink of nuclear Holocaust, Kennedy talked to Khrushchev and he got those missiles out of Cuba. Why shouldn’t we have the same courage and confidence to talk to our enemies? That’s what strong countries do. That’s what strong presidents do.”
“The Soviet Union had the ability to destroy the world several times over, had satellites spanning the globe, had huge masses of conventional military power, all directed at destroying us,” he said. “So, I’ve made it clear for years that the threat from Iran is grave. But what I’ve said is that we should not just talk to our friends. We should be willing to engage our enemies as well. That’s what diplomacy is all about.”
Obama repeatedly stressed the risk posed by Iran, as he suggested that danger has grown because of policies supported by McCain.
“Iran is a grave threat. It has an illicit nuclear program. It supports terrorism across the region and militias in Iraq. It threatens Israel’s existence. It denies the Holocaust,” he said. “The reason Iran is so much more powerful than it was a few years ago is because of the Bush-McCain policy of fighting in Iraq and refusing to pursue direct diplomacy with Iran. They’re the ones who have not dealt with Iran wisely.”
Obama also called Iran the “single biggest beneficiary” of Iraq war and pledged to secure all lose nuclear materials during first term, if he is elected president.

“Cliff
What about when the recession ended?”
What about it…?

I CANT WAIT FOR APR 15TH!
THIS YEAR I GET A TAX CUT !!!WOOOOHOOOOO!!!
PLUS ,AS AN ADDED BONUS I GET TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO REPUBLICANS WHINE AND CRY ABOUT THE EXTRA TAXES THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO PAY TO SUPPORT THIS GREAT NATION OF IMMIGRANTS THAT ALLOWED/ALLOWS THEM TO PROFIT IN THE FIRST PLACE ,EVEN THOUGHT THEY ARE MOSTLY GREEDY SOBS WHO COULD CARE LESS ABOUT THIS NATION AND THE “LITTLE PEOPLE”.
APR 15 YOU GET YOURS REPUBLICANS!! FOR AT LEAST THE NEXT 8 OR 12 APR 15THS!!! MUAHAHAAHAHA!!
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Please don’t get in the gutter with the McCain campaign.. I happen to be one of those people your post is targeted towards, but I have already voted for Obama. I will pay a little more for the future of my children. There are many, many more like us.

I GET TO WATCH AND LISTEN TO REPUBLICANS WHINE AND CRY ABOUT THE EXTRA TAXES THEY WILL BE ALLOWED TO PAY TO SUPPORT THIS GREAT NATION OF IMMIGRANTS THAT ALLOWED/ALLOWS THEM TO PROFIT IN THE FIRST PLACE
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The REALLY strange part is that the vast majority of Republicans will also get a tax cut. Most are not that wealthy. That’s the point!
They have been duped into believing the GOP is looking out for them. The new GOP is not the same party it was 25 year ago.
But to keep up with the new GOP ideology, Pub supporters will complain because they are not getting to send their money to the wealthiest Americans. But I bet, when they get a tax cut, not a one will send the extra money back to the government.
Apparently all these self proclaimed blue collar Americans talking about having to work 60 hours/wk all think they will someday be mega-rich and get to enjoy the tax benefits provided by the new Republican party.
What they fail to acknowledge, is it’s easier to save if you have more money to put in the bank.

“What they fail to acknowledge, is it’s easier to save if you have more money to put in the bank.”
Yes, because I can get far richer by saving my pennies and earning 4% or 5% in a CD.
But you’re right, it sure is easier than working for a living and aspiring to succeed so perhaps we should all just give up and give in to our new governement overlords. They’ll take care of us!
*spits*

“How about this one…redistribution of wealth. If that is not welfare I don’t know what is”
So the progressive tax code is a welfare program?
I love when right wingers are asked to name a welfare program and they have to fall back on silly talking points.

“bah
Immigration is a form of slavery in this country. They have no rights and rich republicans hire them so they don’t have to worry about paying them, or unions. Sounds like Greed dominates the republican party.”
Well MM, I responded to this foolish statement however our beloved moderator didn’t appreciate my sarcasm. I thought it was pretty good though, and I didn’t personally attack anyone, so whatevs…
I hope you and BAH got a chance to read it.

The point is that the vast majority of Americans do not make $250,000/yr and never will. That’s just a fact.
The “Joe the Plumber” dreams being crushed because of a tax policy is complete ********. There were more start up businesses in the 90′s than in the last 8 years, and the tax rates were higher. Tax rates went up in WA state and they saw growth in small business, not a decline.
Even in Northern VA, a $250k/yr income is a lot. It’s not mega rich for that area, but certainly it is WAY above the average. (Even for a two income family this is true)
The problem is that Pub supporters have bought into the spin McCain and company are selling them. They are just parroting what they are being told.
Obama simply suggests the tax structure should return to where it eas 8 years ago. That’s a 3% increase in income tax for those making over 250k/yr. This is LESS than what we had under Reagan and our country did not collapse back then either.
The rediculous oversimplifications are what the Pub spin masters thrive on. They put labels on things and make it easy to understand.
A 3% increase in taxes is now “socialism”. What a bunch of BS fed to easily manipulated lemmings.
McCain’s health care plan is a freakin joke. Ever try to get an independent policy for a family of four? You lose all collective bargaining power.
If you have pre-existing conditions, you just don’t get insurance. Not at any price in some cases.
And for those people 60-65 getting ready to retire. Good luck trying to to find a policy, more-less pay for it.
McCain’s plan is designed to benefit business and insurance companies. That does NOT help middle class Americans.
McCAIN ALSO FAILS TO TELL YOU HE IS A HUGE DEFICIT SPENDER!
His economic plan will cost Americans more than Obama’s. McCain will add $10.2 TRILLION to the national debt in 10 years, Obama $5.7 trillion according to the Tax Policy Center. McCain will have to raise taxes if he plans to pay for his policies.
SUPPLY SIDE ECOMONICS FAILED MISERABLY BY EVERY METRIC USED TO MEASURE AN ECONOMY. IT WAS A THEORY, AND IT WAS WRONG.
Example, ExxonMoble just made $14.8 BILLION in profits last quarter. How much of that mega-profit (more than some country’s GDP) will “trickle down” to the middle class?
The answer is the major stock holders will increase their wealth. That’s it. The rest of us do not get the benefits. In the past 8 years the wealthy have DOUBLED their holdings. The middle class wages and savings both have GONE DOWN.
We need a new direction. Obama’s plan is certainly not perfect, but it is far superior to McCain’s non-plan.
Both will have to face reality about their spending. We still have a Congress as well. The President does not create the laws. (Except Bush and Cheney)He just ratifies them.

“Posted by: Paige | Oct 30, 2008 6:24:04 PM”
Paige, you and I are not on the same side. I’m on the side of smaller government, lower taxes and strong national defense… also for our children’s sake.

paige….why should i care about other peoples kids? that IS socialism. your kids = your bills
thats one thing many republicans dont understand ,there is personal responsibility eg; fixing your roof ,buying your kids a bmw etc, and then there is national responsibility that each and every american SHOULD be happy and more than willing to do ,eg; paying their fair share of taxes.
my roof leaks ,will you pay for it to be repaired? of course not , its my house and not yours. thats personal in nature ,like your kids .
bridges ,roads ,health care ,wars etc etc, are all NOT personal agendas but are things/issues ALL americans must share the burden of.
now if you want to have kids ,spend a fortune on them ,ipods private college etc, thats fine but you need to pay your fair share of taxes first THEN worry how to support your children on your own with or without the taxpayer funded social programs that are already provided to ALL americans eg;public schools ,public health care etc…
do your children use public health service? do they attend public school?
ride the school bus or drive a bmw?
capitalism of any ilk that unfairly leeches off of the low/middle class taxpayer to provide for elitist personal wants or “need” is exactly what i am patently against .
you sound a bit like a republican paige, its ok. it appears you are seeing the light finally ,after helping to ruin the country by voting for the bushes…you did vote for both of them didnt you? and reagan too?
;)

bh – You miss the point:
Children are the future of America. Don’t care about kids? – fine. Then also don’t care about America’ future. You can’t save America from your grave.
“America’s stagnation in educational progress threatens the country’s long-term economic and sociological prospects [according to research] … If you look at Barack Obama’s education proposals—especially his emphasis on early childhood—you see that they flow naturally and persuasively from this research.” David Brooks – NYT

i can see why venezuela nationalized the oil industries there.
the oil companies have their foot on the economic gas pedal ,so to speak.
they can lower the price ,and the economy will take off .
the oil companies increase the price and the economy comes to a near halt.
that kind of totally inappropriate and possibly illegal and definitely unethical economic handcuffing and foot dragging could certainly be characterized as unhealthy to the overall national interest at least ,and at most it might be considered illegal by some ,ie;venezuela as pointed out previously
the oil companies and their greed to the point of national harm are making a good case for nationalization. if we can nationalize banks i see no logical reason why we cannot nationalize the oil companies as well ,in the interest of national security and prosperity.

I heard Biden say that the 250,000 is already down to 150,000.

Ryan C,
Responding to something I wrote of Joe the Plumber, you pointed out “Um the plumbing business Joe works for is said to profit $100K a year. Getting $250K profit from a small business means that small business is doing quite well.” Well, um, yeah, the current profit is as you report. Joe has plans to expand that business if he manages to buy it– add more trucks and plumbers. Take the risk and reap the rewards. As you say, 250,000 profit is a small business doing well, but that’s the point. If you do well, you should be rewarded for it. It is not at all impossible. I know. It took my spouse less than 2 years to reach that level in our business. Of course, he works 6 or 7 days a week and puts in long hours. But he also has unique job skills, does great work, and is compensated accordingly. I hope Joe the Plumber succeeds beyond his wildest dreams. I still don’t understand why people attach him and belittle his ambitions.
I am Joe Business Owner

“I still don’t understand why people attach him and belittle his ambitions.”
Probably because he implied those were immediate plans rather than ambitions.
Most people do not like to be lied to.

Most people do not like to be lied to.
Ryan C
I guess you should not like Obama either. Eveyone lies, even you.

Biden is a fool. Doesn’t know which way is up. The man has been in congress for how long and hasn’t amounted to anything. He can’t even wipe Palin’s shoes. Obama can’t make a decision on his own without first speaking to his advisors, so who is really going to control the White House? Oh by the way, besides Ayers, Rezko, Pflger, Wright, Ashabi and Husaini, does Obama have any true American loving friends? Don’t think so!